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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Wittlesbachs => Topic started by: Mischa on February 09, 2005, 10:10:15 AM

Title: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Mischa on February 09, 2005, 10:10:15 AM
Hi amadeo,

I think I can identify most of the persons in the picture.
The woman sitting in the centre is Queen Maria of Bavaria. At her right side stands her husband King Maximilian II of Bavaria and next to him his father the abdicated King Ludwig I.

The man at Ludwigs right side is probably his brother Prince Karl. The beautiful young woman next to Karl is Empress Elisabeth of Austria (Sissi). The older woman sitting in front of her is her mother Duchess Ludowika in Bavaria (the half-sister of King Ludwig I). All other persons at the right side of the picture are siblings of Sissi. The man sitting at the front far right is her father Duke Maximilian in Bavaria.

At Queen Marias left side stand her sons. The future King Otto I of Bavaria and his older brother Ludwig II of Bavaria.

The persons in the left part of the picture probably all belong to the families of the three younger sons of Ludwig I.

The woman standing next to Ludwig II is probably the Queen of Greece. (I can' t remember her name) The man next to her is King Otto I of Greece, the second son of Ludwig I.

The very tall and bald-headed man next Otto maybe his youngest brother Adalbert. The man sitting thougfully at the table is Luitpold, the third son of Ludwig I, the future "Prinzregent" (I don't know the english word for this title. But it means he reigned for Otto I of Bavaria who ws mentally ill)

The two boys standing behind Luitpold are his sons. The future Ludwig III (right) and (probably) Leopold. The girl standing far right maybe Luitpolds daughter Therese.

The other women and children at the left side of the picture surely  belong to the families of Luitpold and Adalbert (Otto I of Greese didn't have children) but I can't tell who is who.

Ludwig II seems to about 13 years old in this picture. This would mean it was taken 1858/59. Perhaps this additional information helps you to identify the other persons with the help of a family tree.

Regards from Munich, Germany

Mischa
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: grandduchessella on February 09, 2005, 01:15:36 PM
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Hi amadeo,

The beautiful young woman next to Karl is Empress Elisabeth of Austria (Sissi). The older woman sitting in front of her is her mother Duchess Ludowika in Bavaria (the half-sister of King Ludwig I). All other persons at the right side of the picture are siblings of Sissi.

The woman standing next to Ludwig II is probably the Queen of Greece. (I can' t remember her name) The man next to her is King Otto I of Greece, the second son of Ludwig I.


I think the girl right next to her is her sister Sophie, Duchess d'Alencon--she had very arresting eyes, larger than her sisters'. Wasn't Otto's wife Queen Amelia or Amalia?
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Mischa on February 09, 2005, 02:48:26 PM
Thinking it over it seems to me that I made two mistakes in identifying the persons on the picture.

First I mixed up the two elder sons of Luitpold. The future Ludwig III is left, his brother Leopold, who married the elder daughter of Sissi is right.

Second I said that all people on the left side of the foto where members of the families of the three younger sons of Ludwig I. But one of the women there has to be his youngest daughter Alexandra. I'm not sure but I think it's the woman in the black dress sitting on Luitpolds left side.

At the right side of the picture next to Sissi is Sophie as Grandducessella mentioned. The next woman is also a sister of Sissi and Sophie but I'am unable to tell wheather it's Marie or Mathilde. The two young man a Sissis brothers Ludwig (the taller one) and Karl Theodor. The boy far right is her  youngest brother Max Emanuel. The woman in the black dress sitting right from Duke Maximilian is his oldest daughter Helene and next to her Mathilde or Marie . (This two looked very alike.)

@ Grandducessella I only remember that the Queen of Greece was a born princess of Oldenburg

Greetings

Mischa
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: grandduchessella on February 09, 2005, 03:39:01 PM
I thought the one man might be Karl Theodor but wasn't sure--was he the one who was the father of Elizabeth of Belgium and Crown Princess Rupprecht of Bavaria?
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Mischa on February 10, 2005, 01:44:05 AM
Hi Grandducessella :-)

Karl Theodor was the father of Elisabeth of Belgium and Princess Gabriele who married Crown Prince Ruppert. His father was Ludwig III.

Mischa
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: grandduchessella on February 10, 2005, 09:10:47 AM
Thanks--I thought so but wasn't sure as I'm not that knowledgable on the Wittelsbachs. I'm a big Elizabeth of Belgium fan though. Wasn't her father trained in medicine--perhaps optometry?
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Mischa on February 11, 2005, 01:45:04 AM
@ Thomas_A
 I think you  are right as far as Auguste is concerned. I thought she was already dead in 1858/59 but I found out she died 1864.

I believed that Alexandra must be in the picture because she remained unmarried. And at this time her mental state could not have been so worse, that she must kept hidden from public totally, because in 1858 she published her book "Weihnachtsrosen"
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Danjel on February 11, 2005, 05:34:27 AM
Hope this will work.............since it's my first post here.... here is the royal family (the pic is taken in 1862)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/BavariaRFin1862.jpg
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Agneschen on February 11, 2005, 10:18:09 AM
Great picture Amadeo ! I had never seen it before, where did you find it ?

I think I can identify almost everybody :
Prince Luitpold and family (his wife Augusta of Tuscany sitting on his left and children Ludwig III, Leopold, Therese and Arnulph), princess Alexandra, prince Adalbert with his spanish-born wife Amelia sitting in front of him and some of their children (probably the 2 eldest Ludwig-Ferdinand and Alphons), then come King Otto of Greece and his wife Amalie von Oldenburg, then Ludwig II, his brother Otto and their parents Queen Marie and King Max, Ludwig I, prince Karl, duke Max and family as identified above. According to me, it is Marie sitting between Helene and their father and Mathilde standing between Sophie and Ludwig. They looked alike only Marie was prettier and her hair much darker.
King Ludwig I's 3 eldest and married daughters, Mathilde (GD of Hesse), Aldegunde of Modena and Hildegard (archduchess of Austria) are not present on the picture.

GDElla, Karl-Theodor had indeed studied medecine and was an ophtalmologist. He first married princess Sophie of Saxony then Maria-José of Portugal (the youngest daughter of prince Miguel of Braganza whom duchess Ludovika had hoped to be married to as a young girl) and had 6 children :
- Amalie (1865-1912) married to duke Wilhelm of Urach (a morganatic branch of the house of WÜrtemberg).
- Sophie (1875-1957) married to Hans-Veit von Toerring-Jettenbach (their eldest son Karl-Theodor was married to princess Elisabeth of Greece, Marina of Kent's elder sister).
- Elisabeth (1876-1965), Queen of Belgium.
- Marie-Gabrielle (1878-1912) married to Kronprinz Rupprecht of Bavaria.
- Ludwig-Wilhelm (1884-1968) married to Eleonore of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg. no issue.
- Franz-Josef (1888-1912)

Thomas, check the Sissi thread, I posted the url to the duchess of Alençon website mentionned by Mischa.
As far as the pictures you posted are concerned, the 1st one is Marie all right but I am almost positively sure that the 2nd one is Mathilde, the 3rd one Helene and the 4th one Mathilde again.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Marc on October 27, 2006, 07:50:48 PM
I found this portrait.It is said to be Princess Amelie of Bayern,but I don't know which one,because there are so many Amelie or Amalie in or of Bayern,so if you could help me to sovle this mystery to me...thank you!
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Marc on October 27, 2006, 07:51:15 PM
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Bayern.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 28, 2006, 02:56:02 AM
Puh, the identification could be a problem, Marc.

Actually there are only a few Princesses of / Duchesses in Bavaria who are called Amalie:

- Amalie (1790-1794), daughter of Max I.
- Amalie Auguste (1801-1877), daughter of Max I.
- Amalie (Amélie, 1865-1912), daughter of Duke Carl Theodor
- Amalie Isabella (1921-1985), daughter of Prince Konrad
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: seriya on October 28, 2006, 03:59:16 AM
This portrait painted by Winterhalter
and in Second Empire (1852-1870)

so...Let's analyze.
Amalie (1790-1794), daughter of Max I.  : No.
- Amalie Auguste (1801-1877), daughter of Max I.  : I think..she was too old then.(In painting she looks twenties)
- Amalie (Amélie, 1865-1912), daughter of Duke Carl Theodor : No
- Amalie Isabella (1921-1985), daughter of Prince Konrad :No

so I think she was the Princess Adalbert, Amelie of Spain(1834-1905).
daughter of Duke Cadiz and king Ludwig I's daughter-in-law
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Marc on October 28, 2006, 08:14:31 AM
Well,it seems that is the only solution!Thank you!
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: umigon on November 02, 2006, 06:04:10 AM


She could be, but I think she wasn't that blonde... and she was much fatter, but it's certainly very possible!
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Daniela on November 03, 2006, 01:56:38 AM
What if she is Princess Louise Victoire Marie Amelie Sophie d'Orléans (1869 - 1952), daughter of Duchess Sophie Charlotte Auguste in Bavaria married to Ferdinand Philippe Marie Duc d'Alencon.
Princess Louise Victoire Marie Amelie Sophie d'Orléans was married to Prince Alfons Maria Franz von Assisi Klemens Max Emanuel of Bavaria.

Daniela
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: trentk80 on November 03, 2006, 10:29:28 AM
But she was known as Louise, not Amelie.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Daniela on November 03, 2006, 12:55:19 PM
But she was known as Louise, not Amelie.

Yes, I know! :)

It's just that to me is some liknes there! :-\

Daniela
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 06, 2006, 02:26:27 PM
It's definitely not Louise d'Orléans. I'm not an expert, but I think this portrait was painted at the beginning of the 19th century.

By the way: I wouldn't be surprised if this painting doesn't show a Wittelsbach Princess at all.  ;)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Yseult on November 06, 2006, 03:13:16 PM
A very crazy idea crossed my mind while I was looking at the portrait...

What if she is Amalie duchess in Bavaria...I mean, the wife of duke Pius and mother of duke Max?

Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 06, 2006, 03:22:34 PM
A very crazy idea crossed my mind while I was looking at the portrait...

What if she is Amalie duchess in Bavaria...I mean, the wife of duke Pius and mother of duke Max?



What a great idea! I haven't thought of Amalie Arenberg at all. It could be her, why not? There is no member of this forum who has ever seen a portrait of her. Does anybody have a description of Amalie's looks? Maybe we could compare it to the pic ...
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Rani on November 06, 2006, 03:53:57 PM
In my view the kind of painting is not typical for the 18th century. Amalie lived in 1789 'till 1823. The picture looks like it is from the middle of the 19th century.


Amalie could be look like this woman. :D
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/dame.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Marc on November 06, 2006, 04:01:54 PM
The portrait is painted during the second Empire...
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: regensburg on November 06, 2006, 06:36:49 PM
In another part of this forum this picture was presented as the wife of King Johann of Saxony. So that's Amalie (1801-1877)
I have seen a shetch of her in which the features look very similar. I'll try to locate it.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: regensburg on November 06, 2006, 06:48:23 PM
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/regensburg/wittamalie2.jpg)

Amalie (1801-1877)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 07, 2006, 04:23:46 AM
Dear regensburg,

I've seen so many portraits of Amalie Auguste Princess of Bavaria and Queen of Saxony. The woman on the painting Marc posted is definitely not her. Portraits of young Princess Amalie were usually painted by Joseph Stieler and I don't think that Marc's pic was done by him.

Oh, Marc: Where did you find this painting? Don't say: "Oh, on a website of some German auction house ..." :)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: britt.25 on November 07, 2006, 12:03:07 PM
Hello all.... ;)

Sorry, if I give my voice here, even if I am no expert of the Wittelsbachs, but for my part I think that this is Auguste Amelie, queen of Saxony. All the dates of the others do not fit. I have seen it several times identified as the queen of Saxony, when still young. It´s true that Winterhalter is rather an official painter of the Second Empire, but this can be one of his earlier paintings, I am quite sure. He was born in 1805 and died in 1873, whereas Amelie , Princess of Bavaria was born in 1801 and lived until 1877. They are contemporaneans. So this portrait can have been made also before the Second Empire, by a younger Franz Winterhalter. Furthermore Joseph Stieler and Franz Winterhalter knew each other and also worked together for some time, as I have read.

If I compare this...


(http://i.54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/WinterhalterAmaliaBayern.jpg)


with this...

(http://i.54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/amalie-auguste.jpg)

It is not so impossible that it is/ or can be the same person, even when the hair is a bit different, and even when I know that especially the older Amelie on photosgraphs seemed different.

The type of face and especially the nose of the woman on the Winterhalter Portraits bears a resemblence to Amelies mother Caroline of Baden (please look...so in my view)

(http://i.54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/caroline.jpg)


The mentioned Amalia Pilhar does not fit in the formation at all in my view:

(http://i.54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/Amalia20del20Pilar.jpg)

She is dark and the whole type is different.

Concerning the wife of Pius, who was also mentioned, I don´t know it, but concerning the life dates, I think it´s rather not her. She lived from 1789 until 1827, which means that Winterhalter must have painted her too young (Winterhalter was to young) as he was born in 1805, and Amelie of Arenberg died  with 38, and looks like a twenty year old on the picture, which means that Winterhalter was still a child then  ;D

Maybe others do not share my opinion, but  for me this is the most logical possibility. It should always bee considered that these are all only painting and every painter makes the people a bit different - as he sees them.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: britt.25 on November 07, 2006, 12:24:19 PM
I have to excuse for the second as some sources say that it shows her sister, but despite of that from the look, it´s not so impossible that the both can be sisters
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Yseult on November 07, 2006, 04:36:27 PM
Well, I agreed with you, Britt...The lady of the portrait can´t be Amalia Pilar of Spain. Of course, she can be Amalie of Saxony. She must be Amalie of Saxony, I think, when I read again your post ;)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: britt.25 on November 08, 2006, 02:07:10 AM
Thanks for reading my post ;)

But I doubt that MarieCharlotte will be convinced. I´m curious what she says, when he returns to our topic.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 08, 2006, 02:18:09 AM
But I doubt that MarieCharlotte will be convinced. I´m curious what she says, when he returns to our topic.

Hehe ...  :D What you wrote makes sense, britt, but I still have doubts. Why do you think it was painted by Winterhalter? Even if he was the painter, I have never read in one of my many books about the Wittelsbachs that he came to Munich to paint one of Maximilian's daughters. Amalie married in 1822 and as the painting is known as "Amalie von Bayern", it must have been painted before 1822. Do you really think that the 17-year-old Winterhalter (you said he was born in 1805!) came to court and painted a Princess?! I don't. They had Stieler for that.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: britt.25 on November 08, 2006, 06:39:17 AM
Nice that you are back here...
It´s really a strange mystery, I must say, especially because you have read that Maximilians daughters were never painted by Winterhalter. From the other facts it would fit, but this is indeed strange. May it be that it was made by Stieler and Winterhalter helped somewhere? Also quite strange :-\ I hope that there will be a solution once, because I always thought that this is Sisis aunt Amalie...strange. What do you think about the appearance? Does it fit? I am not such an expert, but I think it could fit from the type of face etc to the other daughters of Max. I suppose somewhere must be a mistake, but where?

Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Agneschen on November 11, 2006, 10:36:05 AM
This portrait is  identified as Princess Amélie of Bayern by Winterhalter on the RMN (Réunion des Musées Nationaux) website. It is located in Compiègne so I thought that she might be Princess Amalia Auguste who married the Duke of Leuchtenberg. As I did not check her dates, I do not know whether she might have been painted by Winterhalter. Her hair & dress do not look Empire though and it seems to me Amalia was dark haired but that is the only possibility I see. The other alternative being that it is misidentified.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Yseult on November 11, 2006, 11:22:49 AM
This portrait is  identified as Princess Amélie of Bayern by Winterhalter on the RMN (Réunion des Musées Nationaux) website. It is located in Compiègne so I thought that she might be Princess Amalia Auguste who married the Duke of Leuchtenberg. As I did not check her dates, I do not know whether she might have been painted by Winterhalter. Her hair & dress do not look Empire though and it seems to me Amalia was dark haired but that is the only possibility I see. The other alternative being that it is misidentified.

Reading your post, I was asking myself if the identification could be wrong but not entirely wrong...I explain myself: the lady do not look Empire, but after Empire, but princess Amalia Auguste had a daughter by Eugene of Beauharnais duke of Leuchtenberg named after her, Amalia Auguste, who became empress of Brazil...Can be this girl?

PD: I´am not idea, but I try to make suggestions...
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 11, 2006, 02:41:03 PM
Yseult, thank you for your suggestions.  ;) The Duchess of Leuchtenberg's name was Auguste Amalie. Her half-sister, the Queen of Saxony, had the same names, but the other way around (Amalie Auguste).

If the young woman was Amélie, Auguste of Leuchtenberg's daughter, why should she be called of Bavaria ? That doesn't make sense. Amélie was born in 1812.

A pic of Amélie:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/leuchtenberg_amalie02.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 11, 2006, 02:45:40 PM

What about Amalie Duchess of Oldenburg (1818-1875) who married Prince Otto, King of Greece, in 1836? But I think her hair was much darker and when she married Otto he had already been King of Greece ... so the title of the painting must have been Amalie of Greece or something like that.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Rani on November 11, 2006, 02:53:15 PM
It really looks like her!  :D
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: britt.25 on November 12, 2006, 02:03:07 PM
Yseult, thank you for your suggestions.  ;) The Duchess of Leuchtenberg's name was Auguste Amalie. Her half-sister, the Queen of Saxony, had the same names, but the other way around (Amalie Auguste).

If the young woman was Amélie, Auguste of Leuchtenberg's daughter, why should she be called of Bavaria ? That doesn't make sense. Amélie was born in 1812.

A pic of Amélie:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/leuchtenberg_amalie02.jpg)


Yes, I think this, too. As far as I know they carried the name Beauharnais (or dukes of Leuchtenberg). Not right? Even if Napoleons stepson married a Wittelsbach the descendants did not carry this name, but their fathers one. So I think. Or did anyone of them have the right to add their mothers name? I don´t think so.
I also had the idea that the lady on the picture, could have been the wife of Eugène Beauharnais, as she carries also the name Amalie, but it´s only second name and the other way around. But maybe they could have made the mistake and turned it...but I am not convinced at all.

This is the mentioned queen of Greece (I hope this pic is correct) In my view the girl on our Winterhalter picture does not resemble her much, but much more the daughters of Max of Bavaria and Caroline of Baden...But that´s only my opinion.

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/Queen_Amalia_of_Greece.jpg)

What do the others think?
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: regensburg on November 14, 2006, 03:25:12 PM
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/regensburg/bourbspAmalia1834witt.jpg)

This is undoubtedly the same woman as the portrait. She is Amalie (1834-1905) married to Adalbert of Bavaria (1828-1875).
Here they are depicted together and the features are unmistakable :)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 15, 2006, 02:26:48 AM
Never ever. We've talked about Princess Adalbert von Bayern before and as umigon said: She's too fat!  ;)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: britt.25 on November 15, 2006, 08:48:07 AM
I don´t know. From the time this would better fit than my possibility from before. This portrait was painted between 1852 and 1871 it is said on the page of the "reunion des musees nationaux", so it could be her. The face is not so bad, some features do fit on this picture (rather than on the wikipedia picture) maybe she had been thinner, when young? Maybe this is really the only possibily, but one thing, which makes also doubts is that on the picture I sent here, Amalie of Spain of much more dark, I don´t think that she was so blonde like the pic of Winterhalter. :o
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Yseult on November 16, 2006, 02:22:20 AM
I don´t know who is the blond girl portrayed, but to clarify if she could be our  infanta Amalia, I was searching for pictures of the princess, but I haven´t found it. But she was a daughter of infante Francisco de Paula, a brother of Ferdinand VII, and Luisa Carlota of Naples, a sister of Maria Cristina, fourth wive of Ferdinand VII. I have found images of Amalia´s mother, Luisa Carlota. Judge yourself!

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/vanozzacatanei/InfantaLuisaCarlota.jpg)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/vanozzacatanei/LuisaCarlotaNapoles.jpg)



Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 16, 2006, 06:59:54 AM
I don´t know who is the blond girl portrayed, but to clarify if she could be our  infanta Amalia, I was searching for pictures of the princess, but I haven´t found it. But she was a daughter of infante Francisco de Paula, a brother of Ferdinand VII, and Luisa Carlota of Naples, a sister of Maria Cristina, fourth wive of Ferdinand VII. I have found images of Amalia´s mother, Luisa Carlota. Judge yourself!

Daughters don't have to be the spitting image of their mothers.  ;) I don't look like my mother at all.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: britt.25 on November 16, 2006, 02:45:51 PM
It´s difficult only to decide from the pictures, there must be proof for any of the solutions to find, but how ???
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: umigon on November 17, 2006, 10:35:18 AM
That's what I meant earlier in this thread: the lady in the picture certainly has facial features similar to those of Francisco de Paula's children. But she seems to belong to a previous period, doesn't she?
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on April 06, 2007, 03:23:07 PM
Well, these 2 pictures had been described as "Franz of Bavaria's wedding"  :-\. Looking at the gown of the bride I think the wedding took place in the 1920s. But as I know there was not any Franz of Bavaria got married in the 1920s. Possibly the couple are relatives of the Bavarian Royal family...Any ideas?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/bayernwed.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/franzbayernundspouse.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 07, 2007, 05:45:14 AM
Hey Sveta,

I've never seen these rare pictures before, but the man looks like Wilhelm von Urach to me. He married Wiltrud Princess of Bavaria (1884-1975), a younger daughter of King Ludwig III. and Archduchess Marie Therese, in November 1924. Wilhelm was firstly married to Amélie Duchess in Bavaria (1865-1912), eldest daughter of Duke Carl Theodor.

Amélie and Wilhelm had nine children. The two youngest, Eberhard and Mechthilde, were born in 1907 and 1912. The children on the wedding picture look much younger, so I don't think that we see Wilhelm's children here. Maybe they are a niece and a nephew of Wiltrud.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on April 07, 2007, 06:00:54 AM
But the bride doesn't look like Wiltrud, she looks much younger :-\. Though you suggestion make me think that the man could be Wilhelm (1897-1957), eldest son of Wilhelm von Urach and Amélie Duchess in Bavaria, who married in 1928 Elisabeth Therer (? spelling?)...
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 07, 2007, 07:16:44 AM
Wilhelm (1897-1957), Amélie's eldest son, married Elisabeth Theurer (1899-1988) in 1928. As this marriage was a morganatic one, he renounced the Ducal title and took the name "Graf von Württemberg".

Anyway, I'm quite sure that we see Wilhelm and Wiltrud on the pictures.

I could ask Inigo Urach, Amélie's grandson, for identification help.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 07, 2007, 07:21:41 AM
I found another photograph of Urach's second wedding ... If you compare this one to the two pictures you've posted, it's obvious that we see the same couple on them: Wilhelm and Princess Wiltrud.


(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/wiltrud_urach01.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on April 07, 2007, 07:45:55 AM
Wow, Marie, thank you! :o :) Definitely Wiltrud is hard to recognize in those pictures but now I see you are right. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Teddy on April 07, 2007, 10:14:01 AM
Its a pity that there are so less books about this Royal family.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 07, 2007, 03:22:56 PM
Its a pity that there are so less books about this Royal family.

There are quite a few books about the Bavarian royal family. Unfortunately most of them are only available in German.

Sveta, may I ask you where you've found these two pictures of Wilhelm's second wedding? Ebay?
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on April 07, 2007, 03:31:51 PM
Its a pity that there are so less books about this Royal family.



Sveta, may I ask you where you've found these two pictures of Wilhelm's second wedding? Ebay?

Yes, Ebay  :)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on April 27, 2007, 01:14:08 PM
Is this young Maria Theresia ,spouse of King Ludwig III of Bavaria?  :-\

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/princessofbavaria.jpg)
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Post by: Linnea on April 27, 2007, 03:47:22 PM
I personally don´t think so - Marie Theresia had a rounder face and her eyes had a softer expression. However, this young woman makes me think of the Tuscany branch of the family ... :-\
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on April 28, 2007, 02:03:51 AM
I personally don´t think so - Marie Theresia had a rounder face and her eyes had a softer expression. However, this young woman makes me think of the Tuscany branch of the family ... :-\

Well, the woman looks so familiar ... :-\ The description says "Princess of Bavaria" but she doesn't resemble a Wittelsbach or some spouse of a Wittelsbach.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 28, 2007, 06:55:26 AM
This young woman is definitely not Archduchess Maria Theresia. She also doesn't look familiar to me - so I guess that she belongs neither to the Wittelsbach nor the Habsburg family.

Maybe she belongs to the royal family of the Two Sicilies?
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Linnea on April 28, 2007, 09:43:13 AM
At the end of the day she´might be "just" a normal woman...  ;)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on April 28, 2007, 12:43:35 PM
At the end of the day she´might be "just" a normal woman...  ;)

Might be :)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Byron on August 02, 2007, 05:16:52 AM
Well, these 2 pictures had been described as "Franz of Bavaria's wedding"  :-\. Looking at the gown of the bride I think the wedding took place in the 1920s. But as I know there was not any Franz of Bavaria got married in the 1920s. Possibly the couple are relatives of the Bavarian Royal family...Any ideas?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/bayernwed.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/franzbayernundspouse.jpg)

The dress she wears could actually be from around 1890th until the end of the 1. world war, it’s the era of the “Art nouveau” you can see in the hem of the dress and also in the shortening of the dress and in the wail.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on August 02, 2007, 11:31:14 AM
Well, these 2 pictures had been described as "Franz of Bavaria's wedding"  :-\. Looking at the gown of the bride I think the wedding took place in the 1920s. But as I know there was not any Franz of Bavaria got married in the 1920s. Possibly the couple are relatives of the Bavarian Royal family...Any ideas?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/bayernwed.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/franzbayernundspouse.jpg)

The dress she wears could actually be from around 1890th until the end of the 1. world war, it’s the era of the “Art nouveau” you can see in the hem of the dress and also in the shortening of the dress and in the wail.

The dress and its silhouette does has a look of the 1920s, not the 1890s definitely.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Byron on August 02, 2007, 04:32:27 PM
 As I said, it’s the era of the “Art nouveau” it is possible that the dress is older than the 1920th in the “Art nouveau”  there is a clear step op until the Charleston era.  ;)
The shortening of the dress, actually did start around the 1890th, it could therefore be possible that it was before the 1920th. Then you also set yourself up for a broader time span.   ;D
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Kaiserin Sissi on August 22, 2007, 09:58:00 AM
Does anybody can tell me who is exactly this man :


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h25/Elisabeth21/LopolddeBavire.jpg)

I just know his name : Léopold of Bavaria.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on August 22, 2007, 03:43:00 PM
I think that there is something wrong with the identification of this picture. The name Leopold wasn't very common within the Wittelsbach family as they prefered the name Ludwig. In fact there have only been two male members called Leopold: Leopold Ferdinand (22.-25. May 1689), eldest son of Max II. Emanuel and his first wife Maria Antonia of Austria, and Leopold (1846-1930), second son of Princeregent Luitpold and Auguste Ferdinande of Austria. But the man on the picture can neither be Leopold Ferdinand, who died as an infant, nor Prince Leopold, who looked differently.

The picture itself isn't familiar to me. Where did you find it? I'm not good in things like that, but I guess that this portrait was done in the late 18th or early 19th century ...
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: crazy_wing on August 23, 2007, 08:11:10 AM
the person in the portrait is Grand Duke Leopold of Baden and the portrait is by winterhalter.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Kaiserin Sissi on August 23, 2007, 09:08:49 AM
Thanks Marie Charlotte and Crazy Wing.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: REMI on January 11, 2009, 08:20:47 AM
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/3915c215.jpg)

I have identified all these persons on that pic except one. Who is the officer, the third from the right? i believe he is prince Arnuf of Baviera but i am not sure....Thank in advance

REMI
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 13, 2009, 08:46:50 AM
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/3915c215.jpg)

I have identified all these persons on that pic except one. Who is the officer, the third from the right? i believe he is prince Arnuf of Baviera but i am not sure....Thank in advance

REMI


I don't know who he is, but he isn't Prince Arnulf. On the far right you can see Prince Alfons. Is his wife Louise d'Orléans the woman who is sitting on the left next to Queen Maria Christina?
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: REMI on January 13, 2009, 10:42:59 AM
Thank you Marie Charlotte. Arnulf is taller indeed...Yes, the lady sitting on the far left is wife's Alfons von Bayern, Louise d'Orléans, daughter of duke of Alençon and Sophie-Charlotte von Bayern.

REMI
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on January 13, 2009, 12:55:43 PM
Attention  REMI :  According to the volume, "The Last Courts of Europe,"  1981, John Calman and Cooper Ltd., London, Chapter "Iberia," pages 212/213, illustration #257,  the person (third from right, holding a "flat" uniform cap) is identified as "Archduke Friedrich of Austria."  He does indeed appear to be wearing the Austrian neck-piece version of the Order of the Golden Fleece.   Best regards,  AP
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on January 13, 2009, 12:58:30 PM
I have identified all these persons on that pic except one. Who is the officer, the third from the right? i believe he is prince Arnuf of Baviera but i am not sure....Thank in advance

REMI[/font]

Remi, that's Archduke Friedrich, brother of Queen Maria Cristina.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: REMI on January 13, 2009, 03:23:46 PM
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/42f7ee3a.jpg)

Many thanks, Svetabel and Aleksandr Pavlovich. He is archduke Friedrich of Austria Teschen
here is another pic of him.

REMI
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on January 13, 2009, 04:31:06 PM
You are very welcome, REMI !  I am happy that you have gotten the identification needed.    Best regards, and Happy New Year! (And also greetings and Happy New Year to "Svetabel," who posted identification at the same time that I did.)    AP
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Jose II on January 15, 2009, 12:27:46 PM
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/3915c215.jpg)

I have identified all these persons on that pic except one. Who is the officer, the third from the right? i believe he is prince Arnuf of Baviera but i am not sure....Thank in advance

REMI


The picture is from the wedding of Infanta Maria Teresa of Spain and Pr. Ferdinand Maria of Bavaria.

Can you share the persons you identified ?
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on January 15, 2009, 12:40:55 PM
Attention  Jose II and Post # 7:  If you will refer to my Reply # 3 (above), and can locate a copy of that book, you will find that all the personages are identified (hopefully correctly!) in the photograph.  Regards, AP
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: REMI on January 16, 2009, 04:53:39 AM
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/3915c215.jpg)

I have identified all these persons on that pic except one. Who is the officer, the third from the right? i believe he is prince Arnuf of Baviera but i am not sure....Thank in advance

REMI


The picture is from the wedding of Infanta Maria Teresa of Spain and Pr. Ferdinand Maria of Bavaria.

Can you share the persons you identified ?

Standing, from left to right: Pilar of Bavaria, died in 1987 at 96 years old; infant don Carlos of Bourbon Two Siclies; Georg of Bavaria: Luis Ferdinand of Orleans y Bourbon, Eulalia's son; infante Isabel, "La Chata"; Heinrich of Bavaria; infante Eulalia; Alfonso of Orleans y Bourbon, Eulalia's eldest son; King Alfonso XIII; Adalbert-Alfons of Bavaria; the bride, Maria Teresa; Ludwig Ferdinand of Bavaria; Francisco of Bourbon Sicily; the bridegroom, Fernando-Maria of Bavaria; Filippo of Bourbon Sicily; Conrad of Bavaria; archduke Friedrich of Austria, duke of Teschen, Queen Mother of Spain's brother; Gennaro of Bourbon Sicily; Alfons of Bavaria.
Sitting:Louise d'Orléans; Queen Mother Maria-Cristina; infante Maria de La Paz.
The two children are: infant Alfonso of Bourbon of the Two Sicilies, "principe heredero of Spain", son of princess of Asturias (+1904) and his sister Isabel, future countess Zamoyska, died in 1985 at the age of 85 years.   
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Jose II on January 21, 2009, 09:53:37 AM
Thank you for the ID's
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Yseult on May 04, 2009, 12:04:17 PM
Hello everyone...
Doing one of my researchs on the net, I´ve found an interesting portrait...
It is attributed to F.X. Winterhalter. To add more, the painting belonged to the collection of Ludwig III king of Bavaria. The ID of the lady is not clear. Maybe a bavarian princess? Any idea??

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/winterhalter8923b.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Veronica on May 04, 2009, 03:13:14 PM
Hi Yseult!
This portrait was discussed on the Habsburg sub forum, the "Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption" thread, page 9.

Here is the link    http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=7042.120

The conclusion of some members was that this portrait shows queen Stephanie of Portugal. I believe it too.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Yseult on May 04, 2009, 03:58:47 PM
Thank you soooo much!!
Yes...she can be Stephanie...there´s a great resemblance ;)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Adagietto on January 06, 2010, 02:55:45 PM
This is Crown Prince Rupprecht and Antonia at around the time of their wedding? The date and place are right, but this doesn't look typical of Rupprecht and I'm not sure about the clothes.

(http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/44090/2885263620100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 06, 2010, 05:45:17 PM
(http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/44090/2885263620100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

Elisabeth Princess of Urach (1894-1962) and Karl Alois Prince of Liechtenstein (1878-1955), Tegernsee (Upper Bavaria), 5 April 1921

Elisabeth was the second daughter of Amélie Maria Duchess in Bavaria, only child of Empress Elisabeth's favourite brother Carl Theodor and his first wife Sophie Princess of Saxony. Elisabeth's parents Amélie and Wilhelm of Urach married in Tegernsee, too (1892).

Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Adagietto on January 07, 2010, 03:13:50 AM
Wonderful, thank you so much!
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Rani on March 07, 2010, 09:28:44 AM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2jcj487.jpg) (http://i48.tinypic.com/16i5lao.jpg)

Who is this???

Thank you!
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Veronica on March 07, 2010, 12:34:37 PM
Therese of Bavaria (1850-1925), maybe?
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 07, 2010, 01:13:18 PM
No, she's not Therese. I don't think she's a Bavarian Princess at all.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Éole on March 26, 2010, 07:22:20 PM
No, she's not Therese. I don't think she's a Bavarian Princess at all.

Well, it's written ''princesse de Bavière'' underneath, could hardly be anything else if the person who wrote it did not make a mistake.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 27, 2010, 04:09:28 AM
No, she's not Therese. I don't think she's a Bavarian Princess at all.

Well, it's written ''princesse de Bavière'' underneath, could hardly be anything else if the person who wrote it did not make a mistake.

That doesn't mean anything. You can't imagine how many people make mistakes when they want to identify a royal person. Especially ebay sellers often tend to misidentify royals - some of them even because they want to earn a lot of money.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Éole on March 27, 2010, 08:58:57 AM
No, she's not Therese. I don't think she's a Bavarian Princess at all.

Well, it's written ''princesse de Bavière'' underneath, could hardly be anything else if the person who wrote it did not make a mistake.

That doesn't mean anything. You can't imagine how many people make mistakes when they want to identify a royal person.

That's why I wrote ''if the person who wrote it did not make a mistake''.  :)

Quote
Especially ebay sellers often tend to misidentify royals - some of them even because they want to earn a lot of money.

The handwriting looks quite old, IMO it's certainly not recent.

But I agree with you Marie Charlotte, I can't put my finger on who she is. If ever she's indeed a Bavarian princess, I think we should look the Spanish branch, her face doesn't remind me anyone and this branch is quite obscure.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 25, 2010, 11:35:37 AM
is this lady related to Marie Larisch? Danke schon in advanced!


(http://i49.tinypic.com/qp5mj6.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Marc on May 25, 2010, 01:25:51 PM
Don't know the date of the photo but there was also Countess Marie Larisch von Moennich,later Countess Hoyos von und zu Sprinzenstein who was 4 years younger then famous Marie Larisch...don't know if this helps!
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 25, 2010, 01:30:31 PM
the picture is circa 1905. I thought it could be one of Marie`s daughters or the wife of her eldest son, Thank you!
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Rani on July 05, 2010, 12:18:49 PM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/vqjzwh.jpg)

She is a member of the Wittelsbach family. But that´s all I know about her. Could anyone know who she is?


Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 05, 2010, 12:29:32 PM
isnt her queen Marie?
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Rani on July 05, 2010, 12:34:00 PM
I´m not sure. Wasn´t Marie tall?
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 05, 2010, 12:40:24 PM
i posted a few images of her today. I find her a bit tall. It could also be infanta Amalia Philipina of Spain.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Veronica on July 05, 2010, 12:42:37 PM
Infanta Amalia was more overweight than the woman in the photo
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on July 05, 2010, 01:39:10 PM
I don't think that she's a Bavarian princess.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on July 05, 2010, 11:15:34 PM
I agree with MarieCharlotte. The girl doesn't look like a Wittelsbach.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Rani on July 06, 2010, 04:30:37 PM
Maybe we have luck, and find a bigger version.

Thanks for the answers.

Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Rani on February 17, 2011, 02:25:00 PM
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/181/unbenanntndd.jpg)

No other informartion about her. Just Prinzessin von Bayern. Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Rani on February 23, 2011, 05:18:04 PM
No ideas?
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Alexander1917 on February 23, 2011, 06:04:56 PM
is this lady related to Marie Larisch? Danke schon in advanced!


(http://i49.tinypic.com/qp5mj6.jpg)


isn't it the same lady?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Louise_von_Larisch-Wallersee
first section reads as follows :

Marie Louise Elisabeth Baroness von Wallersee, born Marie Louise Mendel, married Countess  Larisch-Moennich, second marriage Marie Brucks (born February 24, 1858 in Augsburg; † July 4, 1940 ibid) was the niece of the Empress Elizabeth of Austria.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Marc on February 23, 2011, 09:00:28 PM
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/181/unbenanntndd.jpg)

No other informartion about her. Just Prinzessin von Bayern. Thanks in advance!

To me she looks like a similar version portrait of Karoline Friederike Wilhelmine von Baden,later Queen of Bavaria,but before she became Queen(so a portrait before 1806)...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Karoline_K%C3%B6nigin_von_Bayern.jpg

what do you think?

Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Rani on February 25, 2011, 09:26:02 AM
Hmm? I think you are right. But the painter was not so talented.
Thanks for the reply!
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 25, 2011, 04:39:45 PM
I wouldn't say he wasn't talented. That it looks so weird is probably due to the fact that this was created way before 1800. In my opinion, this picture is much older.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Rani on June 25, 2011, 01:18:50 PM
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2zjc878.jpg)

Painted by Franz Joseph Winter (around 1690– after 1756). It shows a Bavarian Princess.

Thanks for replies!
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 14, 2011, 11:53:06 PM
I remember finding this photo titled "Princess of Bavaria"  who is this little baby girl?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/scan0006.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on September 15, 2011, 02:40:44 PM
I remember finding this photo titled "Princess of Bavaria"  who is this little baby girl?



Princess Maria of Bavaria, eldest daughter of Prince Franz of Bavaria.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 15, 2011, 06:12:55 PM
thank you :)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Marc on September 17, 2011, 08:12:16 AM
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2zjc878.jpg)

Painted by Franz Joseph Winter (around 1690– after 1756). It shows a Bavarian Princess.

Thanks for replies!

Rani,I think the portrait might be from 1710 untill maybe 1730 because the sitter looks young and the painter would have developed from 20 years old and later...

Honestly,she doesn't look like any of the Bavarian Princesses we know from the main line,so she could either be:


1.Maria Anna Karoline of Bavaria,became a nun(1696-1750)-I have seen one her portrait and it doesn't look like her...

2.Anna Maria von Neuburg(1693-1751) married to Prince Ferdinand Maria of Bavaria-don't think so:
http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/wittelsbach/pfalzneuburg1/1693%20M.Anna.JPG

3.her daughter in law Marie Anna von Sulzbach(1722-1790) once seen her portrait and it doesn't fit...and don't think waredrobe from the portrait was from the 1740ies...

4.It could also be Elisabeth Auguste Sophie von Pfalz-Neuburg,later von Pfalz-Sulzbach...she also wore flowers in her head in this portrait-not sure(what do you think?)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Auguste_Sofie_von_der_Pfalz

5.Could be Maria Anna Henriette von Pfalz-Sulzbach,born de La Tour d'Auvergne(1708-1728),but again I see no common things in her portrait except for flowers:
http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/womeninpower/fotos/Marie-Henriette.jpg

6.It could also be Amalie Auguste Marie Anna von Pfalz-Sulzbach,a nun in Köln(1693-1762)-never seen any picture

7.It could also be Franziska Christine von Pfalz-Sulzbach,Prioress in Düsseldorf(1696-1776)-never seen any picture

8.It could also be Ernestine Elisabeth Johanna von Pfalz-Sulzbach,later Landgrafin von Hessen-Rheinfels-Rothenburg(1697-1775)-again,never seen any picture of her

9.It could be their mother Duchess Eleonore Marie Amalie von Pfalz-Sulzbach,born von Hessen-Rheinfels-Rotenburg(1675-1720)-never seen any portrait of her

10.It could also be a female member of Birkenfeld and Gelnhausen branches


The reason why I pulled this list is because often under "Bavarian Princess" can be any female member of those branches...
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Rani on September 20, 2011, 04:45:16 PM
Thanks for your reply Marc :)

It´s very hard to say who she was. Hm...

She has something of Elisabeth Auguste Sophie von Pfalz-Neuburg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Elisabeth_auguste_sofie_von_der_Pfalz.jpg/537px-Elisabeth_auguste_sofie_von_der_Pfalz.jpg
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Marc on September 21, 2011, 07:24:18 AM
Yes,I think so too! ;)
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: joerookery on October 10, 2011, 01:51:14 PM
Could you help me? Is this Luitpold v Bayern
Luitpold Maximilian Ludwig Karl (Bamberg 8 May 1901-Berchtesgaden 27 Aug 1914) ???

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6130/5999767020_d2210c331b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joerookery/5999767020/)
ps1525 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joerookery/5999767020/) by joerookery (http://www.flickr.com/people/joerookery/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 10, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
Nope, it is not Luitpold
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on October 10, 2011, 02:30:08 PM
Could you help me? Is this Luitpold v Bayern
Luitpold Maximilian Ludwig Karl (Bamberg 8 May 1901-Berchtesgaden 27 Aug 1914) ???

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6130/5999767020_d2210c331b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joerookery/5999767020/)
ps1525 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joerookery/5999767020/) by joerookery (http://www.flickr.com/people/joerookery/), on Flickr
 I would definitely agree with an earlier poster that this is not Luitpold of Bavaria.  Regards,   AP.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: jalm on January 14, 2012, 09:21:49 AM
Hello,
I wonder if anybody knows if the photographed girl is Sophie Charlotte von Bayern (1847-1897). Married name Sophie d'Alençon.
She is identified as Herzogin in Bayern and considering the time the photo was taken (c 1860-62) and her looks I'm trying to find out if it is correct.
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~eastwin/cdv13-12.jpg)

Thank you for your time !

Jan
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: THERRY on January 14, 2012, 09:33:23 AM
In my opinion she does not look like Sophie, Mathilde could be  :-\
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Veronica on February 17, 2012, 05:10:56 PM
Hello,
I wonder if anybody knows if the photographed girl is Sophie Charlotte von Bayern (1847-1897). Married name Sophie d'Alençon.
She is identified as Herzogin in Bayern and considering the time the photo was taken (c 1860-62) and her looks I'm trying to find out if it is correct.
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~eastwin/cdv13-12.jpg)

Thank you for your time !

Jan

I've seen another photo of this lady from the same session, and it was identified as Theresia, countess of Meran, the wife of Franz of Meran. Franz, born in 1839, was the son of Archduke John and Anna Plochl.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: jalm on March 04, 2012, 07:22:22 AM
Hello,
I wonder if anybody knows if the photographed girl is Sophie Charlotte von Bayern (1847-1897). Married name Sophie d'Alençon.
She is identified as Herzogin in Bayern and considering the time the photo was taken (c 1860-62) and her looks I'm trying to find out if it is correct.
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~eastwin/cdv13-12.jpg)

Thank you for your time !

Jan

I've seen another photo of this lady from the same session, and it was identified as Theresia, countess of Meran, the wife of Franz of Meran. Franz, born in 1839, was the son of Archduke John and Anna Plochl.

Thanks Veronica for your information ! Jan
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Alice of Hesse on March 06, 2013, 09:45:51 AM
Hello,
does anybody know who the photographed girl beside Duke Maximilian/Max in Bavaria (father of empress Elizabeth of Austria) is ?

Greetings Alice

(http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/6958/42e3a7eeb69bf6a53812294.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/42e3a7eeb69bf6a53812294.jpg/)

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Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 06, 2013, 02:12:12 PM
Some people say its Elisabeth but im not sure :-S
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 06, 2013, 02:37:20 PM
Hello,
I wonder if anybody knows if the photographed girl is Sophie Charlotte von Bayern (1847-1897). Married name Sophie d'Alençon.
She is identified as Herzogin in Bayern and considering the time the photo was taken (c 1860-62) and her looks I'm trying to find out if it is correct.
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~eastwin/cdv13-12.jpg)

Thank you for your time !

Jan

I've seen another photo of this lady from the same session, and it was identified as Theresia, countess of Meran, the wife of Franz of Meran. Franz, born in 1839, was the son of Archduke John and Anna Plochl.

Thanks Veronica for your information ! Jan

Sorry for the double post, but this look like archduchess Marie Therese of Austria- Modene, future Queen Consort of Bavaria.

here an image to compare (courtesy of the ONB)

(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/581/pf16292b12.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/pf16292b12.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Marie Valerie on March 06, 2013, 02:51:24 PM
Hello,
does anybody know who the photographed girl beside Duke Maximilian/Max in Bavaria (father of empress Elizabeth of Austria) is ?

Greetings Alice


The woman could be one of Max illegitimate daughters, he had a few...
Neither is she Elisabeth, Helene, Marie, Mathilde or Sophie in Bavaria.
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 06, 2013, 03:11:12 PM
Good point!!!

I totally forgot about that!, Thanks Marie Valerie!
Title: Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
Post by: beladona on December 21, 2015, 09:47:04 AM
is this lady related to Marie Larisch? Danke schon in advanced!


(http://i49.tinypic.com/qp5mj6.jpg)

I think it is Marie Henriette (1884-1907), third child of Marie Larisch-Wallersee. It is also said that father of Marie Henriette was not Georg Larisch but Heinrich Baltazzi...