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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Greek Royal Family => Topic started by: Alicky1872 on February 11, 2005, 05:44:48 AM

Title: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Alicky1872 on February 11, 2005, 05:44:48 AM
I know Marie Chantal, wife of Greece's Crown Prince is an American heiress, but to what? Does anyone know much about her? Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Marlene on February 11, 2005, 10:23:01 AM
The British-born marie Chantal's father is a naturalized British citizen.  He has made billions through the ownership of duty free shops in Asia.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: TampaBay on August 04, 2005, 01:38:30 PM
Does any one have any current pictures of Prince Pavlos, Princess Marie-Chantal or their four children?  

If so, could you please post them?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: IslandDweller on August 04, 2005, 06:19:15 PM
At the risk of being gossipy, have King C and Queen A-M ever given any indication - intentional or otherwise - of just how they feel about their high-profile, commoner daugther-in-law?

I've heard it claimed that King Constantine insisted her title be "Crown Princess Pavlos" and that this is an indication of how he felt about her, but the GRF has always seemed to call its princesses by their husband's names, whether they were royal-blooded or not.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: TampaBay on August 05, 2005, 08:41:34 AM
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At the risk of being gossipy, have King C and Queen A-M ever given any indication - intentional or otherwise - of just how they feel about their high-profile, commoner daugther-in-law?

I've heard it claimed that King Constantine insisted her title be "Crown Princess Pavlos" and that this is an indication of how he felt about her, but the GRF has always seemed to call its princesses by their husband's names, whether they were royal-blooded or not.


Brian,

I have the same gossipy curiousity.  I do not think it is a slight because as you stated the GRF always called the Princesses by the husband's name.

No matter how Royal one is, I find it hard to believe anyone would mind a mega-rich daughter-in-law royal, commoner or martian.  Nancy Leeds is a good example

TampaBay
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Maki on August 05, 2005, 11:55:19 AM
I'm still trying to find the names and birthdates of all Constantine's children and grandchildren.  Can you help?
Maki
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Prince_Christopher on August 05, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
***Alexia b. July 10, 1965   m.July 9, 1999, Carlos Morales y Quintana
    ***Arrietta b. Feb.24, 2002
    ***Ana-Maria b. May 15, 2003
    ***Carlos b. July 30, 2005
***Paul b. May 20, 1967   m.July 1, 1995, Marie-Chantal Miller, b. Sept. 17, 1968
    ***Maria-Olympia b.July 25, 1996
    ***Constantine-Alexios b. Oct. 29, 1998
    ***Achilleas-Andreas b.Aug. 12, 2000
    ***Odyseus Kimon b. Sept. 17, 2004
***Nicholas b. Oct. 1, 1969
***Theodora b. June 9, 1983
***Philip b. April 26, 1986
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Maki on August 05, 2005, 05:49:42 PM
Prince_Christopher:  Thank you very, very much!! I can't tell you how many places I've searched, trying to find this information.  Maki
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Prince_Christopher on August 05, 2005, 06:07:35 PM
Maki,
You are most welcome.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: TampaBay on August 06, 2005, 01:22:50 PM
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***Alexia b. July 10, 1965   m.July 9, 1999, Carlos Morales y Quintana
     ***Arrietta b. Feb.24, 2002
     ***Ana-Maria b. May 15, 2003
     ***Carlos b. July 30, 2005
***Paul b. May 20, 1967   m.July 1, 1995, Marie-Chantal Miller, b. Sept. 17, 1968
     ***Maria-Olympia b.July 25, 1996
     ***Constantine-Alexios b. Oct. 29, 1998
     ***Achilleas-Andreas b.Aug. 12, 2000
     ***Odyseus Kimon b. Sept. 17, 2004
***Nicholas b. Oct. 1, 1969
***Theodora b. June 9, 1983
***Philip b. April 26, 1986


I never noticed before but there is 21 years age diference between Alexia and her youngest brother Philip.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 06, 2005, 02:10:40 PM
Yes, 21 years is quite a lot for 5 kids. Obviously Queen Anne Marie took her time (very wise). How old was she when Philip was born?
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Prince_Christopher on August 06, 2005, 02:58:21 PM
I've heard Queen Anne-Marie, in an interview, refer to Theodora and Philip as her "second family", both born after they were well-settled in London.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Prince_Christopher on August 06, 2005, 05:50:10 PM
Queen Anne-Marie was born in 1946, so she was 40 years old when Prince Philip was born in 1986.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: QueenEna1887 on August 08, 2005, 10:14:51 PM
Isn't it true that Marie-Chantal is half Spanish?
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 09, 2005, 06:48:24 AM
Marie-chantal's mother is Chantal Miller, who is from Ecuador and said to be the last Inca Princess.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Prince_Christopher on August 09, 2005, 09:02:38 AM
Mrs. Miller was born Maria Clara Pesantes....
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Marlene on August 09, 2005, 01:42:20 PM
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Marie-chantal's mother is Chantal Miller, who is from Ecuador and said to be the last Inca Princess.



Others have used that description.  Chantal Miller denies it.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Marlene on August 09, 2005, 01:43:24 PM
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Yes, 21 years is quite a lot for 5 kids. Obviously Queen Anne Marie took her time (very wise). How old was she when Philip was born?



The queen suffered several miscarriages. She was pregnant when the family fled Greece, but lost the child a few days later.  She had at least one other miscarriage either before or after Nicholas.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: cimbrio on August 21, 2005, 06:44:29 PM
Marie-Chantal Miller's father is the 154th richest man in the world...
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: emeraldeyes on August 22, 2005, 01:32:21 PM
Here are the prince and princess at the Norwegian royal wedding.  Look at the size of those pearls! :o

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/greeksatoslo.jpg)
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: julia.montague on August 22, 2005, 02:14:28 PM
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Here are the prince and princess at the Norwegian royal wedding.  Look at the size of those pearls! :o

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/greeksatoslo.jpg)

The picture is from the wedding of Crownprince Frederik of Denmark, not from a royal wedding in Norway.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: emeraldeyes on August 22, 2005, 02:18:57 PM
oopsie, thanks!
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Modena on November 06, 2005, 10:26:36 AM
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Mrs. Miller was born Maria Clara Pesantes....


This is rather gossipy, but...  :-X

Apparently Mrs. Miller has little to no association with her blood family, and is quite the tightwad with them.  >:(  Hey, lady, you apparently spend 10's of millions of dollars furnishing your homes, so spare some change for your own flesh and blood!  >:(

Something I must have read on a board maybe years ago, by someone claiming to be one of her relations.  :o
And what the heck is an Incan princess?  ??? :P
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2005, 10:31:57 AM
Mr. Miller made his money in the duty-free shop business started in Hong Kong. I once met Pavlos and Marie Chantel, during their shoopping trips to the territory. They are amazingly good looking in person !
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Modena on November 06, 2005, 10:33:54 AM
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Marie-Chantal Miller's father is the 154th richest man in the world...


:P It's a sad state in this world where so many have so much money and others have next to nothing :(  
For people to get so obscenely weathy, there had to have been a lot of other people suffering or doing without.  Just my opinion.  :)

But I digress..now back on topic.  :D
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Modena on November 06, 2005, 10:36:53 AM
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Mr. Miller made his money in the duty-free shop business started in Hong Kong. I once met Pavlos and Marie Chantel, during their shoopping trips to the territory. They are amazingly good looking in person !


HE seems to be getting better looking in his pictures, but she looks rather dough-y. ;)  ;D :-X

Has she at least stopped dressing in those AWFUL pastels?  :P  ;)
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Iskenderbey on November 07, 2005, 10:11:26 AM
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Mr. Miller made his money in the duty-free shop business started in Hong Kong. I once met Pavlos and Marie Chantel, during their shoopping trips to the territory. They are amazingly good looking in person !


When I saw the couple for the 1st time at Orthodox Easter Services in NYC a few years back, I was amazed how tall Pavlos was, and how tiny and petite Marie-Chantal was.
Good looking couple overall.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2005, 10:55:26 AM
agreed. Palvos is really handsome and looks like his Danish mother Queen Anne Marie, while his brother Nicholas  is more mediterean in looks.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: isabel on November 08, 2005, 07:00:43 AM
Marie Chantal Miller is the second daughter of Robert Miller. She has two sisters, the eldest, Pia Gia, is married with Christopher Getty, the younger, Alexandra, married Prince Alexander Von Furstenberg (now divorced).

The three sisters had very good matches.

Robert Miller has the fortune number 154 of the world, estimated in 1.600 millions of euros.

Marie Chantal has just open an other shop (Children Clothes) in Athenas-Greece.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2005, 08:48:25 AM
I am sure she can succeed in business, she did have her father's genes.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Iskenderbey on April 03, 2006, 08:59:16 AM
I have to share this with the whole world!!!!!!!!!
Yesterday was the annual Greek Independence Day parade in New York City, which takes place on 5th Avenue every year.
Anyway,,as I was enjoying the beautiful day and walking around the parade, guess who I spotted out of the corner of my, but none other than Crown Prince Pavlos himself, talking obscurely to some friends.

I did a double take, and got my nerve to go up to him to speak to him.
Needless to say that I my knees were about to give out b/c of my nerves.

We had a few minutes to chat, and at the end I wished him and his family all the best and to tell his father, from me, "Long Live the KING!"

Needless to say, the parade no longer mattered and I was ready to go home, with my day and year thoroughly fulfilled!!!!!!!!!

Regards!
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Alicky1872 on April 03, 2006, 06:09:10 PM
How exciting, Iskenderbey!  :D I have met three Royals (one happens to be married to the Queen, and the other two are minor royalties who sometimes come in my bookshop!  ;D) so far and it's true, your legs do turn to jelly. In the case of the minor royals I've met, I think it was all in my head, but when I met Prince Philip, I could feel his...presence. Good on you for having the courage to walk right up to the Crown Prince and chat. The Greek Royal Family seem so down to Earth, like they would be a true joy to talk to. I'll bet you'll remember that for the rest of your life!  :)
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on April 04, 2006, 08:01:52 AM
Reluctantly, I'll admit that beats my royalty story! I bet that really made your day!

At the Golden Jubilee, the Queen waved at me.  Some people say she was waving generally at the crowd around me, but I know the truth.

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Nicistratos on June 06, 2006, 03:25:56 PM
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I have to share this with the whole world!!!!!!!!!
Yesterday was the annual Greek Independence Day parade in New York City, which takes place on 5th Avenue every year.
Anyway,,as I was enjoying the beautiful day and walking around the parade, guess who I spotted out of the corner of my, but none other than Crown Prince Pavlos himself, talking obscurely to some friends.

I did a double take, and got my nerve to go up to him to speak to him.
Needless to say that I my knees were about to give out b/c of my nerves.

We had a few minutes to chat, and at the end I wished him and his family all the best and to tell his father, from me, "Long Live the KING!"

Needless to say, the parade no longer mattered and I was ready to go home, with my day and year thoroughly fulfilled!!!!!!!!!

Regards!

 Megaleee!!! Timi sou!!!!
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: julia.montague on June 17, 2006, 03:16:06 PM
 :o WOW
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: TampaBay on August 27, 2006, 04:43:55 AM
In the September 2006 edition of US Vanity Fair, the Crown Prince and Princess of Greece were named on the 2006 International Best Dressed List.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 27, 2006, 09:02:44 PM
I met Crown Prince Palvos and Princess Marie Chantel in Hong Kong (her father Mr. Miller made his fortune here by setting up duty free stores) a few years ago. We even chatted a bit as they were shopping and asking me for directions. I felt the same as Iskenderbey !!! I could barely control my excitement (although I looked absolutely well composed asnd answer their inquires). Palvos was drop-dead handsome while his wife was a delicate and beautiful blonde. They looked lovely togather ! That was one of my most exciting Royal encounters (although I have a friend beat me by being kissed at a christmas party by Palvos brother Prince Nicholas !).   :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: TampaBay on September 03, 2006, 09:54:11 AM
Is it true that Marie Chantal's money is now the main financial support of the Greek Royal Family or does she just financially support her family with CP Pavlos?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: TampaBay on September 03, 2006, 10:06:38 AM
I have to give Chantal credit for a stong marriage.  I believe all of her sisters are divorced.

Do the plan on having more children or is four enough?

TampaBay 
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Leuchtenberg on September 27, 2006, 08:00:17 PM
Is it true that Marie Chantal's money is now the main financial support of the Greek Royal Family or does she just financially support her family with CP Pavlos?

TampaBay


Her father helped make the marriage a reality by making a very generous endowment to the Greek Royal Family.  And who said that titles aren't for sale?

Nancy Leeds, Marie Bonaparte, Marie Chantal.......the Greek Royals owe a lot to the kindness of wealthy heiresses and their families.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: TampaBay on September 28, 2006, 06:02:55 AM
In the old days is was called a dowry.

TampBay
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: kmerov on September 28, 2006, 05:01:15 PM
 ;D ;D I don't know if she supports the entire family, but I do think they have enough money to get by without the Miller money. I know (based on rumors ;)) that Queen Ingrid left them quite a bit of money.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: TampaBay on September 28, 2006, 07:09:36 PM
Who is Queen Ingrid?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Leuchtenberg on September 28, 2006, 08:16:22 PM
In the old days is was called a dowry.

TampBay


In the old days wives were considered chattel.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Leuchtenberg on September 28, 2006, 08:18:14 PM
Who is Queen Ingrid?

TampaBay

Queen Anne-Marie's late mother.  Queen Ingrid was born a Princess of Sweden and a granddaughter of Arthur, Duke of Connaught.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Leuchtenberg on September 28, 2006, 08:21:59 PM
;D ;D I don't know if she supports the entire family, but I do think they have enough money to get by without the Miller money. I know (based on rumors ;)) that Queen Ingrid left them quite a bit of money.

From things I've read, the Greek Royals also benefit from numerous wealthy pro-monarchist Greeks.

It would seem practical for Queen Ingrid to have left Anne-Marie and Tino a large sum.   As Queen of Denmark Daisy doesn't need it and Benedikte has the Berleburg fortune.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: TampaBay on September 29, 2006, 06:08:53 AM
L.  Berg,

Thanks for the info on Ingrid.  I could not place her.

I was told ny a Danish National that Queen Ingrid had a great deal of personal money.  Where this money came from I have no idea.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Leuchtenberg on September 29, 2006, 07:14:35 PM
L.  Berg,

Thanks for the info on Ingrid.  I could not place her.

I was told ny a Danish National that Queen Ingrid had a great deal of personal money.  Where this money came from I have no idea.

TampaBay

Queen Ingrid received bequests from her father the King of Sweden and from her grandfather The Duke of Connaught upon their deaths.  The Duke of Connaught divided his estate between his daughter Lady Patrica Ramsay and his Swedish grandchildren.  The Duke's only son predeceased him and as his daughter-in-law/great-niece Princess Arthur of Connaught was immensely wealthy, the Duke left nothing substantial to her or the 2nd Duke of Connaught.   

As a Queen consort Ingrid also received an allowance in Denmark, and of course she was left money by her husband when he died.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Kimberly on January 28, 2007, 10:10:11 AM
I hear on the grapevine that Marie Chantal and CP Pavlos are attending the nuptials of Liz Hurley just down the road from me ;). I think the wedding (of the century, no doubt  ::) :P) is happening Feb/March time at Sudeley Castle, Winchcombe.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Lucien on May 19, 2007, 04:33:40 AM
HRH Crown Prince Pavlos will celebrate his 40th birthday tomorrow,may 20th.

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1146443579&string=pavlos

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1146391307&string=pavlos
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Marlene on May 21, 2007, 08:44:17 AM


Queen Anne Marie had several miscarriages between Nicholas and Theodora. She was also pregnant when she left Greece, and lost the baby not long afterward.

Yes, 21 years is quite a lot for 5 kids. Obviously Queen Anne Marie took her time (very wise). How old was she when Philip was born?
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 21, 2007, 08:21:09 PM
I think 5 is a good number. Hope they all made good marriages. It is high time that the dashing Prince Nicholas settled down.  ;)
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Lucien on June 20, 2007, 12:27:50 AM
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1181552448&string=paul

Courtesy Seegerpress/Albert Nieboer.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 20, 2007, 02:32:08 AM
Thanks ! :-*  He still looks pretty good ! However he looks more Greek than his younger days (as his hair color seemed lighter then ).  ???
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on June 23, 2007, 11:01:37 PM
Taki seems to have gone to a party!

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/life-and-lives/32637/im-in-heaven.thtml
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on June 23, 2007, 11:06:17 PM
Just in case you don't know who Taki is!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taki_Theodoracopulos

Hold on to your hats!

 ;D

Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 24, 2007, 12:53:11 AM
Is he related or known the Princes of Greece ?  ???
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on June 24, 2007, 01:25:57 AM
No, I don't believe he is related.As a matter of fact I would be very surprised.
I would just say that he would be one of the many "friends and aquaintances" from "the old days"..
Judging by the Wikipedia article he definately isn't the quiet and retiring type is he?
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 24, 2007, 07:27:52 PM
Are they close ?  ???
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on June 24, 2007, 07:35:02 PM
no idea but to be invited to his 40th i would say he's close enough!
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: dmitri on July 26, 2007, 09:48:50 AM
I think Pavlos is putting colour in his hair. How can you be dark brown after being almost blonde when younger?
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 26, 2007, 08:49:31 PM
Not really...Remember Diana was a blonde, but when she grew older it changed to brown. She had to bleached it back to blonde according to her hairdresser.  ;D
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on July 26, 2007, 11:03:15 PM
not that important anyway
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 27, 2007, 02:28:33 AM
Indeed ! He looks good in either colour.  ;D
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Iskenderbey on July 30, 2007, 12:48:32 PM
I think Pavlos is putting colour in his hair. How can you be dark brown after being almost blonde when younger?

Well considering that his father, the King, was blond as a boy and black haired as an adult, its not that curious.

Regards
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Lucien on September 19, 2007, 02:20:55 PM
HRH Crown Princess Marie-Chantal of Greece celebrated her 39th birthday yesterday,while Prince Odysseus celebrated his third birthday.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 19, 2007, 08:46:20 PM
Odyssess...What an unusal name ?  ??? Maybe they be coming out with names like Princess Circe, Leda or Penelope...for their next daughter ?
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on September 20, 2007, 02:46:16 AM
They seem to have named their children after ancient Greek mythological heroes. Ie Achilles and Odysses. It is obviously a direct way of reminding themselves and the Greeks that they are in fact a Greek family. Most Greeks today are named after Christian saints or prophets ie,Constantine, Plavos, Niolaos and of course Ilias(Elias,Elijah).It will be interesting to know what the majority of Grreks thinks of their choice of names.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: dmitri on September 20, 2007, 08:51:48 AM
We have an interest in the Greek Royals. I am not very sure too many Greeks do. The monarchy has been effectively gone since 1967 from their lives and officially since the abolition of the monarchy in 1974. I would prefer Greece to be a monarchy but the Greek people decided otherwise.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 21, 2007, 03:16:49 AM
I think the Greeks got news of their Royals through Greek "Hola" !  :)
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Iskenderbey on September 24, 2007, 10:01:41 AM
Odyssess...What an unusal name ?  ??? Maybe they be coming out with names like Princess Circe, Leda or Penelope...for their next daughter ?

Odysseas is not an unusual name.  Many Greeks have ancient Greek names.  Odysseas was the name of the late nobel laureate, Odysseas Elitis.

Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: dmitri on September 24, 2007, 11:45:14 AM
I think the naming of the children has been a deliberate attempt to try to identify them as Greek even though their mother was American before her marriage and none of the children were born in Greece unlike their father. I guess what is important to realise is that none of the Greek Royal Family had any Greek blood apart from Princess Alexandra of Greece, daughter of King Alexander I and Princess Aspasia. Princess Alexandra married King Peter II of Yugoslavia and was the mother of Crown Prince Alexander II of Serbia, current claimant to the Serbian throne. 
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 24, 2007, 09:11:39 PM
Who also married a Greek.  :)
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: dmitri on September 25, 2007, 01:39:22 AM
Yes the second time around. There are no children from the marriage.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on September 25, 2007, 03:28:02 AM
Odysseus us a very old Greek name.We all remember Homer and Troy!
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on September 27, 2007, 01:37:24 AM
 I wonder if Troy had a suburb called Springfield?
I can guarantee they didint have a nuclear reactor, they had a hydaulic (water) one.
Hehehehe.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 27, 2007, 04:29:51 AM
Yep...Because of that I don't think the Greek Royal Family would add Homer into their names soon.  :)
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Iskenderbey on September 28, 2007, 01:45:01 PM
I think the naming of the children has been a deliberate attempt to try to identify them as Greek even though their mother was American before her marriage and none of the children were born in Greece unlike their father. I guess what is important to realise is that none of the Greek Royal Family had any Greek blood apart from Princess Alexandra of Greece, daughter of King Alexander I and Princess Aspasia. Princess Alexandra married King Peter II of Yugoslavia and was the mother of Crown Prince Alexander II of Serbia, current claimant to the Serbian throne. 

Dearest Dimitri,

I wholeheartedly disagree with you about the importance of the Greek royal family not having a drop of Greek blood.
If we go by the royal standard, none of the Royal Families of Europe have any blood of their respective homelands...except in most cases very recently...

Furthermore, what exactly is a Greek? Greek blood? BAH!  Being Greek is a matter of culture and education.
The Greek royal family were, by Constantine's birth, in the 4th generation having lived and educated in Greece, and when I say Greece, I mean within Modern Greek territory.  That is more than most Greeks can say, who, for example, their ancestors only came within Greek borders in 1922!

The whole Greek blood business is a load of non-sense.

Kind regards,
 
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on September 29, 2007, 04:39:19 AM
Gentlemmen, gentlemen,gentlemen.!
We have had this conversation numerous times amd yet it continues .Can we leave it be PLEASE.
They are as Greek as anybody WHO CLAIMS "greekness".
They were and some still say are the Greek Royal Family,  they were baptised and raised in the Greek Orthodox faith, they speak, write and live the ethos of what Greekness is.
Also in terms of this socalled Greek blood, they can prove direct descent from many Byzantine Royals and nobles, which I have to admit not many so called Greeks can, let alone the fact they as a family consistently worked to expand the frontiers, increase the population and restore some of the splendor!
Thank you lines men and thank you ball boys!
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 01, 2007, 08:45:10 PM
Well having Greek blood is important.

Remember Greek Minny did burst into tears when told she had no Greek blood. She later remedied that by marrying a Greek herself.  ;)

Also identified oneself being Greek is important too. Queen Sophie never did identified herself with the Greek people (unlike her mother-in-law, Queen Olga who did !) and in fact she was more English then either German or Greek. She was quoted in saying that she hoped all her daughters marries Englishmen. A patroitic Greek indeed. It was this kind of attitude that made her enemies easy to smear her name (as a German spy) during WWI.  :(
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: TampaBay on January 05, 2008, 07:54:54 PM
There is an excellent article in the February 2008 USA Vanity Fair about The Current Crown Prince (Pavlos) & Princess of Greece (Marie-Chantal).

 It is a "PUFF Piece" big time but very enjoyable reading.


TampaBay
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Lucien on January 14, 2008, 08:45:30 AM
TRH anounced that they expect the birth of their fifth child early july.



The couple has a daughter,Princess Maria Olympia,11,and three sons,the Princes Konstantinos Alexios,9,Achilleas Andreas,7 and Odysseas Kymon,aged 3.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: dmitri on January 14, 2008, 07:50:39 PM
They certainly like having children. I guess with all her money it is no problem to support them all.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Lucien on January 15, 2008, 01:00:14 AM
They certainly like having children. I guess with all her money it is no problem to support them all.

They've always said they'd love a big family.Remarks about funds are useally made by the have nots of this world.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 15, 2008, 04:43:51 AM
Money does makes a difference. Queen Victoria wasn't a poor woman, but she did put a price tag when selecting partners for her children and grandchildren.  ;)
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on January 15, 2008, 05:57:11 AM
Now Dmitri, dont you go upsetting Lucien!
:)
Anyway, congratulations to all of them and hopefully she can have the baby in Greece.
Now wouldnt that be special? Automatic Greek citizenship,the right to vote in Greek elections, compulsory military service if its a boy,etc etc etc.
As long as he/she doesent have to swear allegience to that rag they call a constituition!
Long live the King!
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: dmitri on January 15, 2008, 07:20:28 AM
Being born in Greece is no guarantee of Greek citizenship under the republican regime. Remember they are paranoid and stripped Constantine of his Greek citizenship even though he was born there as was his father and grandfather. Also Crown Prince Paul has been stripped of his citizenship. They all have Danish passports. Thereofore the Greek regime would deem the new baby to be Danish as he would be born to a Danish father. I'm not sure whether Crown Princess Pavlos is still an American citizen. As to the citizenships of the other children many of them were born in the United States. One wonders what their citizenships are? Thankfully Aunt Queen Margarethe II is Queen of Denmark and benevolently offered her younger sister's children Danish citizenship. Thank goodness they are Princes and Princesses of Greece and DENMARK. That is a saving grace. 
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 15, 2008, 11:49:28 PM
They were not the first...Prince Philip also had Danish passports before he became nationalised into British. I wonder if the Queen Of Denmark still consider him part of the Glucksburg Family ?  ???
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: dmitri on January 16, 2008, 12:50:24 AM
No doubt she does. He is after all a descendant of the famous King Christian IX and Queen Louise. Both Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth II are family members. He is through King George I of Greece and she through British Queen Consort Alexandra. Queen Margarethe II and Queen Elizabeth II always greet one another with kisses as they are reasonably close distant cousins.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on January 16, 2008, 05:09:32 AM
Lets just refresh our memory as to where the descendants of this family (Gluxburg) are in terms of King/Queenship today!

Direct descent......

1. Queen of Denmark
1a.Crown Prince of Denmark
2. Prince of the UK, etc etc (Phillip)
3. Prince of Wales, future King of the Uk  etc etc
4. Queen of Spain etc etc etc
4a.Crown Prince of Spain etc etc
5. Crown Prince of Serbia, (really the King just doesent use the title until future restoration)
6. Numerous  Russian claimants to the throne,

and finally but by no means last,

7. His Majesty King Konstantine, King of the Greeks.
7a.Crown Prince of the Greeks

Have I missed anybody?

Wow, that is one impressive family! The family as a whole has obviously worked very hard over the last 180 odd years to marry appropriately!
I wonder if there was a plan???

Long Live the King!
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Lucien on June 30, 2008, 05:36:41 AM
Crown Princess Marie-Chantal was safely delivered from a son,4 kg at Cedars-Sinai hospital,Los Angeles on sunday june 29th at 0645AM.

The Crown Princely couple now has 5 children.Yamas!! ;D

Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on July 01, 2008, 02:52:17 PM
June 29th, the new prince's birthdate, is also the feast day for Saints Peter and Paul. I know Peter isn't a common name among the GRF, so I am going to guess that the boy will be named Prince Pavlos, or some combination of the saints' names.

I note that the Crown Princess gave birth at Cedars Sinari Hospital here in LA - an excellent choice for anyone, but especially good because I recall she had complications with the last birth. No sense in taking any chances with her or their baby.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: beladona on July 15, 2008, 03:51:13 AM
Ilias Pericles?
 :)
I dont think Pavlos would be included, us Greeks dont name the son after the father,but Peter is nice,,,,
what about Petros  Pericles or Petros Themistocles?

Uhh,Aristides Stavros maybe.....

Confirmed by Paul Theroff pages - it is Aristidis-Stavros...
What does this name means? Is it typical in Greece?
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on July 15, 2008, 07:49:43 AM
I have read this news as well, but I wont say it is true until it is announced on H.M'S website.

Aristidis is an ancient Greek name, (Athenian I think),but I cant remember who was the first, all I can say is that it comes from the word Aristos, which means excellent or perfect, and that there are quite a few Aristidis' around the world. Stavros means "of the cross",ie cross of Christ.
It makes me proud that the Crown Prince is continuing his family's proud tradition of naming their children with Greek names, both modern ie Christian, and ancient ie BC.

It reinforces the fact that they are "of Greece".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Aristidis_Stavros_of_Greece_and_Denmark
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Prince_Christopher on July 15, 2008, 09:45:08 AM
Is Stavros the Greek equivalent of Stephen?
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 15, 2008, 10:36:55 AM
Is Stavros the Greek equivalent of Stephen?

Ochi,that would be Stephanopoulos.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on July 15, 2008, 09:02:21 PM
Yes it can be translated as such, stephanopoulos means son of stephen, opoulos means son of!
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Iskenderbey on August 05, 2008, 02:30:42 PM
Is Stavros the Greek equivalent of Stephen?

STAVROS (of which I am proud to say is ny name)...means in greek, "Holy Cross".

Stephen in greek is Stefanos.

Regards
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2008, 11:08:34 AM
Marie Chantal following her father's footsteps into trade.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 25, 2009, 01:23:47 AM
HRH Princess Maria Olympia,eldest daughter of Prince Pavlos and Princess Marie-Chantal,celebrates her 13th birthday today.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Lucien on August 02, 2009, 12:57:42 AM
The entire Royal Family has gathered in Greece for the baptism of Prince Aristides,fifth child and youngest son of Crown Prince Pavlos and Marie-Chantal.
Aunt Sofia and cousins Elena and Christina flew in last night.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: petunia on August 02, 2009, 12:19:08 PM
Does anyone have information about the Christening of King Constantine´s youngest grandchild ( a boy, 5th child of Crown Prince Pavlos and Marie Chantal ) in Greece in the next few days ?
thank you in advance
Petunia
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Lucien on August 03, 2009, 04:30:09 AM
The entire Royal Family has gathered in Greece for the baptism of Prince Aristides,fifth child and youngest son of Crown Prince Pavlos and Marie-Chantal.
Aunt Sofia and cousins Elena and Christina flew in last night.

The baptism was yesterday on the island of Spetses off the coast from Athens.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/08/prince-aristides-to-be-baptised-in-greece.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Lucien on August 07, 2009, 12:15:27 AM
The christening of Prince Aristides took place yesterday in Ermioni,near Porto Heli/Athens:

Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on August 07, 2009, 05:15:19 AM
Well done Lucien,
Amazing what you can find when you have the time.
They all looked happy and relaxed.
The journalist in that ridiculous blue dress(according to my wife)said that they were showing the Christening live, can anyone try and find it on the net?
cheers,
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on August 07, 2009, 05:33:45 AM
I found these,

HRH Crown Prince Pavlos and Family,
http://i26.tinypic.com/ipw93q.jpg

Their Majesties,
Konstantine and Anna Maria of Greece, escorted by a Bishop of the Church(the Church obviously recognizes its King, unlike the thiefs in government)
http://i29.tinypic.com/2zzji40.jpg
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on August 10, 2009, 12:12:28 AM
who conducted the Service   who was there
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: petunia on August 17, 2009, 01:40:06 AM
thank you all for the info and the links
the christening took place at the Monatery of Agion Anargiron (Saints Cosmas and Damian ) and the press was not allowed in, less than 100 people invited and then apparently a big dinner later on
apart from the Greek Royal Family, Queen Sophia of Spain was there with her two daughers Infanta Elena and her two children  and  Infanta Cristina , her husband and her four children
I was told the child had seven godfathers: Infanta Cristina, Stavros Livanos, Spiros Niarchos, Prince Kyril of Bulgaria "and three personal friends of Prince Paul and Princess Marie Chantal "
anybody knows who they are ?
thank you in advance...
Petunia  :)
Title: HRH Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Lucien on April 17, 2013, 06:52:18 AM
TRH Crown Prince Pavlos and Crown Princess Marie Chantal attended the funeral of Lady Thatcher at St.Paul's Cathedral london this morning,
representing HM King Contantine who's abroad.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 17, 2013, 09:43:30 AM
Didn't see them there on tv . Have to find a clip of them.
Title: Re: Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his family
Post by: Clemence on October 03, 2014, 11:10:00 AM
I' m sorry if it has been asked and answered somewhere before, but I was thinking what would the correct title of Marie-Chantal be?