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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Mediatized Noble Families => Topic started by: Danjel on February 11, 2005, 10:18:16 AM

Title: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Danjel on February 11, 2005, 10:18:16 AM
And some info and a pic if possible of Feodore Pss zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg (Stuttgart 7 Jul 1839- Meiningen 30 Mar 1872), she married into the Saxe-Meiningen family and was a niece of Queen Victoria, that's all I know...

THANKS!
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: bluetoria on February 11, 2005, 10:30:18 AM
She married George of S-Meiningen in 1858 and had two (at least?) sons Ernst (1859) & Frederick (1861).
Vicky can't have liked her husband much because QV wrote to her in 1859:
"I am sorry for Feo's sake that you dislike her husband so much. She is happy - and contented, and that is enough."
She was his second wife & QV seems to think he was kind to her:
"He hastened at once with Feo to Baden [following the death of her father] & he makes her as happy as possible."
Again to Vicky: "I am sorry George of M. is not pleasant to you. Feo is however very happy and they lead a very rational life."

(I wonder what a 'rational life' is??)
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: mardam on February 12, 2005, 10:52:59 AM
Here she is with her husband Georg.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/mardam/1826GeorgX2.jpg)
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Frederika on June 01, 2005, 11:48:16 AM
Does anyone hav in fo on this family which prince philips sister married in to?
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Prince_Christopher on June 01, 2005, 09:55:26 PM
This family is heavily entangled in QV's descendents.
Queen Victoria's older half-sister, Princess Feodora of Leiningen, married Prince Ernest of Hohenlohe-Langenberg. They had several children, including Karl who made an unequal marriage, Elise (who died at 20 or 21), Hermann, Victor, Adelaide, Feodore, maybe others, I'm not sure. Some or maybe all of these children basically grew up at their aunt's English Court, I think Victor married an English Lady.
Prince Hermann of Hohenlohe-Langenberg married Leopoldine of Baden and they had at least one son, another Ernest (he would have been QV's grand nephew), who married QV's granddaughter, Alexandra of Edinburgh/Coburg, the third daughter of Alfred and Marie Alexandrovna and sister to the famous princess duo Missy and Ducky. Ernest and "Sandra" had a happy marriage, from what I've read, and Prince Ernest even served as regent after the Duke of Coburg's death until his nephew Charles Edward became of age.  They lived at the family castle, Schloss Langenberg. Ernest and Sandra had 5 children: Gottfried (who married Prince Philip's sister Margarita), Alfred (died as an infant), Marie Melita (married Duke Friedrich of Schleswig-Holstein), and Alexandra and Irma, neither of whom married.

I had always wondered about this family as well, and I found what I did by piecing together bits of info. from several different sources until I got a full picture.
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Prince_Christopher on June 01, 2005, 09:59:15 PM
I believe Gottfried of Hohenlohe-Langenberg was at one time engaged to Gloria Vanderbilt's widowed mother, Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt.  Couldn't resist this bit of trivia.
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on June 01, 2005, 11:16:22 PM
In the thread The Edinburghs in the Windsor section there's a good bit of information and photos
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: QueenEna1887 on June 10, 2005, 06:37:12 AM
I know this is a little off topic but It is hard finding info on Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh's great-niece Princess Xenia of Hohenlohe-Langenburg. Does anyone know anymore info on her?
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Marc on June 11, 2005, 06:44:38 AM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/XiniaHehenlohe.jpg)
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Marc on June 11, 2005, 06:45:59 AM
Princess Xenia von Hohenlohe-Langenburg(in blue)with her cousin Prince Harry!Does anyone have some more pictures of her?
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Prince_Christopher on June 13, 2005, 05:35:38 PM
Princess Xenia was born in 1972 and is the daughter of Prince Kraft of HL and his ex-wife Princess Charlotte of Croy. I believe Kraft died last year. Prince Kraft was the son of Prince Philip's sister Princess Margarita of Greece and her husband Prince Gottfried of HL. Xenia has an  older brother, Philip, and an older sister, Cecilie.
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Marlene on June 16, 2005, 02:12:13 PM
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I know this is a little off topic but It is hard finding info on Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh's great-niece Princess Xenia of Hohenlohe-Langenburg. Does anyone know anymore info on her?



In the past decade, Xenia has lived in Britain and in Central America.   She is expecting her first child, and will be marrying the father, Max Soltmann, in July.
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Bernardino on December 29, 2005, 08:07:03 AM

Hello  :)

I would like to chat around this mediatised family...Indeed it is one of the three mediatised houses that has more importance due to it's connections...The other two are Thurn und Taxis and Leiningen...

In my opinion T & T was the one to make the best alliances (firstly to great protestant families and later on to great catholic families)...Leiningen too has good connections...

But from the Hohenlohe.Langenburg there is a closer connection to most heads of ruling and former ruling families (from the T & T descend practically every Protestant Houses, but Catholic just Saxony if I'm not mistaken)...

It all starts to get interesting from the descendants of the 2. Fürst (Christian Albrecht Ludwig, 1726-1789)...from his son Carl Ludwig (1762-1825; 3. Fürst) and daughter Luise (1763-1837, married to Duke George I of Saxe-Meiningen)...
Fürst Carl Ludwig had 3 children whose descendants made wonderful connections:

a) Fürst Ernst (1794-1860 ; Queen Victoria's brother in-law) descend the current heads of these families:

Prussia
(Russia, Gd-Duke Georgij is a descendant through his father)
Hannover
Greece
(Spain, Pr Felipe is a descendant through his mother)
Holstein
Saxe-Coburg and Gotha &
Sweden

b) from Pss Emilie (1793-1859, m. Graf Friedrich Ludwig zu Castell-Castell) descend the current:

Reuss
Lippe &
the Netherlands

c) from Pss Marie Agnes Henriette (1804-1833); m. Erbprinz Constantin zu Löwenstein-Wertheim-Rosenberg, through her daughter Pss Adelheid, the wife of the exiled King Miguel I of Portugal, descend the current heads of these houses:

Portugal
Liechtenstein
Belgium
Italy
Bavaria
Luxembourg
(Brasil, Pr Pedro, nephew of Pr Luiz Gastão, is a descendant through his mother Pss Christine de Ligne)
Parma
(Romania, Margarita and their sisters and nephews through Queen Anne) &
Austria-Hungary (including of course the Austria-Este, representants of Modena)

c) from Pss Luise, Duchess of Saxe-Meiningen by marriage descend:

Saxe-Meiningen
(the extinct Saxe-Altenburg)
Schaumburg-Lippe
Anhalt &
Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach

There might be other connections, but this was what I could find without making a too profound search...


They are notorious...

I think this family (Hohenlohe-Langenburg) deserves her place here...


Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Kevin From Australia on May 03, 2006, 07:50:17 PM
The four surviving Hohenlohe_langenburg children were confirmed in pairs -all at the Statskirche at Langenburg

July 27, 1913 - Gottfried and Marie Melita

July 22, 1917 - Alexandra and Irma

I have been unable to find much on their christenings.

1901, May 16 Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Place: Coburg
Names: Alexandra Beatrice Leopoldine
Godparents:
H.I.M. The Emperor of Russia
H.R.H. the Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
H.R.H. Princess Beatrice of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 27, 2006, 08:57:15 AM
Yes ! Just to update. The ruby tiara which was owned by Grand Duchess Marie of Edinburgh, which passed to her daughter Sandra and subsequently to her own-daughter-in-law Margarita was sold years ago. Christie's on the 15th June will sell three brooches, a ring and a pair of ear-rings from the dismantled tiara. I just saw it in the pre-auction preview... ;)
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on May 27, 2006, 01:31:16 PM
Here's the page:

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/LotDetail.asp?sid=&intObjectID=4734739&SE=CMWCAT04+4450+121373969+&QR=M+1+1+Aqc0000900+3699++Aqc0000900+&entry=coburg&T=Lot&SU=1&RQ=False&AN=2

It's been discussed on the Royal Jewels of the World message board as well though I'm not sure if the messages are still up there.
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Lucien on August 28, 2006, 08:30:19 AM
Saturday august 26th saw the wedding of Princess Xenia of Hohenlohe-Langenburg and Mr.Max Stoltman at Schloss Langenburg.Princess Xenia is the younger sister of the present Fürst zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg and daughter of Fürst Kraft and Fürstin Charlotte,néé Croy.

The couple already has a son who was born last november.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=26-08-2006%20Langenburg

Courtesy Mr.Veloo/Mr.Nieboer.

And:
http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/hohenlohe.html

Courtesy Mr.Paul Theroff.
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eurohistory on August 29, 2006, 04:09:06 PM
Princess Xenia and Max Soltmann married civilly in July 2005.  Their religious wedding ceremony was on 8/26/06 at the town church in Langenburg in an ecumenical mass/service.

Their son, Ferdinand Gabriel Kraft Soltmann, was baptized in an ecumenical service on 8/25/06 at the schloßkapelle at Schloß Langenburg.  It was a small intimate affair with only about 30-35 people.  Princess Xenia kindly invited me to be a part of the group and I took quite a few photos for her and her husband.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Marlene on August 29, 2006, 11:30:34 PM
actually the civil marriage was August 13, 2005
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: TampaBay on August 30, 2006, 04:40:06 AM

Hello  :)

(Russia, Gd-Duke Georgij is a descendant through his father)
 



Other than the marriage of his great aunt, how is GD George related?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Prince_Christopher on September 07, 2006, 06:50:49 PM

Hello  :)

(Russia, Gd-Duke Georgij is a descendant through his father)
 



Other than the marriage of his great aunt, how is GD George related?

TampaBay


Adelaide of Hohenlohe-Langenberg (niece of QV) m. Friedrich Christian of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg
                         l
Auguste Victoria (Dona) m. Willy
                         l
Joachim of Prussia m. Marie Auguste of Anhalt-Dessau
                         l
Karl Franz of Prussia m. Henriette of Schonaich-Carolath
                         l
Franz Wilhelm of Prussia m. Maria Vladimirovna Romanova
                         l
Grand Duke George of Russia
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eurohistory on November 03, 2006, 10:46:43 AM
The Hohenlohe-Langenburg dynasty has amazing connections to most of Europe's royals.  It all began with Queen Adelaide of Great Birtian, consort of King William IV, who played an important role in arrnaging the mariage of Princess Feodora zu Leiningen to Fürst Ernst zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg.

Feodora was Queen Victoria's beloved half-sister.  Ernst was Queen Adelaide's first cousin.

From then on the HHohenlohe-Langenburgs have kept a close contact to the English royal family, including the marriages of Fürst Ernst II to Princess Alexandra of Edinburgh and that of Fürst Gottfried to Princess Margarita of Greece, eldest sister of the Duke of Edinburgh.

The three Heads of House who lived between 1832-1960 [Hermann, Ernst II, Gottfried] all married princesses from First Section Almanach de Gotha Houses: Baden, Saxe-Coburg & Gotha and Greece.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eurohistory on November 03, 2006, 10:50:37 AM
I believe Gottfried of Hohenlohe-Langenberg was at one time engaged to Gloria Vanderbilt's widowed mother, Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt.  Couldn't resist this bit of trivia.

The court trial between the Whitneys and Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt was one fo the reasons for the breakup of this engagement...the scandal caused by the lesbian accusations launched at Gloria was too much to bear for the Hohenlohes, plus also discovering her millions were not hers, but little Gloria's held in trust.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 03, 2006, 10:29:55 PM
But isn't He already married Margarita of Greece when the court hearing began ? I saw a picture of Margarita & her husband went to give evidence in this case !  ???
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Stephilius Maximus on April 30, 2008, 12:25:27 PM
Hope I haven't missed this elsewhere, but I was wondering if anyone had more information on the deaths of Ruprecht and Albrecht, twin sons of Gottfried and Margarita of H-L.  Born in 1944, the former died in 1978 and his brother committed suicide in 1992.  Might anyone know the cause of Ruprecht's death and/or any of the circumstances surrounding Albrecht's suicide?

I suppose this is ghoulish, but it always makes me much more curious when I can't easily find something out!

Thanks.
Stephen
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: ThePrincessPerfect on May 01, 2008, 03:53:11 AM
What about Prince Albrecht's son Ludwig? Does anyone know anything about him? Does he have the title of Prince, he is legitimate.
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Norbert on May 01, 2008, 11:58:49 AM
Yes prince Ludwig is legitimate.....born 3 months after his parents marriage. Rupprecht died in 1976 and didn't Albrecht commit suicide too?
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Stephilius Maximus on May 01, 2008, 02:40:52 PM
Yes, there seems to be some disagreement about when Ruprecht died - 1976 or 1978.  (Just as you find his name spelled with one or two Ps, variously.)  Most seem to say he died in 1978, though.  But he isn't listed as a suicide as his brother is.  Anything more, folks?

Stephen
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: ThePrincessPerfect on May 04, 2008, 09:53:16 AM
Why did he commit suicide? Does anyone know anything? Also are there any pictures of these royal twins? They are Prince Philip's nephews, they should get a bit more attention!?
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Stephilius Maximus on May 04, 2008, 11:41:43 AM

Albrecht:

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p141/steveo7858/194420Albrecht.jpg)

Ruprecht:

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p141/steveo7858/194420Ruprecht.jpg)




Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Stephilius Maximus on May 05, 2008, 06:31:59 PM
Really, does NO ONE have any information?  Yikes!  I thought this was the place to go - argh!

Oh, well....

Stephen
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Norbert on May 15, 2008, 08:09:56 AM
Why did he commit suicide? Does anyone know anything? Also are there any pictures of these royal twins? They are Prince Philip's nephews, they should get a bit more attention!?

Sadly, nobody mentions the German relations of the Duke of Edinburgh ( except the nazi ones)
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eurohistory on May 26, 2008, 03:39:17 PM
Prince Rupprecht committed suicide at Munich in 1976. His life had spiraled out of control mainly because of alcohol and drug abuse. The fact that he was gay in a milieu in which such a thing was not tolerated (at the time) was a great source of distress to the poor man. Being unable to come to terms with his sexual orientation sent Rupprecht into seeking solace in drugs and drinking. Fürstin Margarita was devastated by the loss of her son.

I have spoken to several of Rupprecht's friends and relations and they all said that he was fun-loving, talented and deeply artistic.

Prince Albrecht, like his twin, suffered from depression, which made him find in alcohol a temporary, but deadly, respite. He committed suicide in Berlin in 1992. His wife, Maria (a rather nice lady I might add), is fully accepted by the family as is their only son, Ludwig, who is not only a prince, but also is fourth-in-line to the princely succession at Langenburg. Ludwig is a successful businessman in the German auto industry.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Mari on May 27, 2008, 12:56:11 AM
So, they both did commit suicide! How sad for the family to have a double tragedy and twins in some cases follow the same pattern. Did the family have a history of depression?
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Stephilius Maximus on May 27, 2008, 11:19:53 AM
Arturo, I bow to your amazing knowledge!  (Look, my court révérence has me practically on the floor!)  Thank you for this information; that's exactly what I was asking after.  Very interesting.  And - very - sad.

Stephen

PS - It's odd that in all of the royal birth/death listings, only Albrecht is listed as a suicide, and not his brother, too.
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eutropius on May 27, 2008, 09:15:19 PM
Thank you for sharing this information Arturo.  It's always fascinating to learn more about the personalities behind names and pictures. 
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Margot on March 06, 2010, 05:54:23 AM
Oooh I should have posted here about Ferdinand Soltmann the baby who apparently has hemophilia! I am stunned if this is true and still can not work out the chances of him not inheriting the disease from Queen Victoria as is being suggested! But that he may have inherited the disease via a completely different family! Goodness I do wonder about this whole story! It seems extraordinary to me!
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: allanraymond on August 25, 2012, 05:09:54 PM
Yes, there seems to be some disagreement about when Ruprecht died - 1976 or 1978.  (Just as you find his name spelled with one or two Ps, variously.)  Most seem to say he died in 1978, though.  Anything more, folks?
Stephen
His burial headstone shows his name as  Ruprecht and his year of death as 1978.

Allan Raymond
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Dru on August 25, 2012, 05:38:05 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8307/7859953126_a4309c7ebe_z.jpg)

Here is the Winterhalter portrait in color.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8297/7859953618_6c35855871_z.jpg)

I don't know who painted this one, but I've seen it in color (in Becoming Queen Victoria), and her gown is pink.
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Marc on August 26, 2012, 07:13:06 AM
The first portrait is of Feodora von Sachsen-Meiningen,daughter of Feodora von Hohenlohe-Langenburg painted by Winterhalter somewhere between 1855-1860...
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on August 27, 2012, 01:44:28 PM
Whoops. *red face* I'm going to say I ID'd it a long time ago and I'm much smarter now. : D  Though I had posted it in this thread as well as the one on Dona's family--and I had the right Feo then.

Marc is correct--it is Feodore the younger.  She became the 2nd wife of George II, Duke of Saxe-Meiningen.

Queen Victoria recorded in her Journal that Winterhalter had begun ‘a pretty little picture of Feo, as a pendant to Ada’s’. He finished it in June 1855.

The 2nd photo posted by Dru shows her mother Feodore Sr--half-sister to Queen Victoria. It was painted by Sir William Ross in 1838. You can see it in color here:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/420416/princess-feodora-of-hohenlohe-langenburg1807-1872
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Dru on October 14, 2012, 04:38:15 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8331/8087863258_acf59fea88_b.jpg)

Found as Princess Feodora of Leiningen.
Title: Re: Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Joanna on July 19, 2016, 10:19:20 AM
Alexandra’s Boudoir – Photo Album & Glue

Princess Alexandra (Sandra) with Nicholas' glue - fascinating!
I will be writing on Sandra's rooms on the 3rd floor of the Winter Palace in 1900.

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2016/07/alexandras-boudoir-photo-album-glue.html

Joanna