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Title: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: felix on February 17, 2005, 08:31:23 PM
I would love to see any photos,and know their history.Did they have any childern? What became of them? "Nada" was called colorful and  glamorous ! Thanks
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on February 18, 2005, 02:10:33 AM
They had 2 children:

Tatiana who suffered from mental instability and David, 3rd Marquess of Milford-Haven who was quite close to his cousin Philip. Both are now deceased. David was apparently very devoted to his trouble sister.

I have some pictures which I'll post but it's 2 am now (gack!) so I'll have to beg off until tomorrow.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Mia on February 18, 2005, 02:43:56 AM
I've also been interested to know more about Nada in particular ever since I saw a wonderful colour picture of her, George and their son David taken in 1936 in the connection with the coronation of George VI.

I've heard basically just stories about her being lesbian, but surely she must have had time for other things too.  

Apropos pictures, I have sometimes difficulties to recognize Nada from pictures. Therefore I ask about the following pics. Isn't the first of Nada and the latter of her sister Zia?
(Oh, those 'nice people' at Corbis who writes the captions for the pictures!)

CORBIS:
Marchioness of Milford Haven
Nadejda, the second daughter of Grand Duke Michael of Russia and Countess Torby. She married the second Marquess of Milford Haven in 1916.
(http://pro.corbis.com/images/CA001508.jpg?size=67&uid={97311225-3791-46db-aabb-e29f172e5700})

CORBIS:
Portrait of Countess Nada Torby
A portrait of Countess Nada Torby. Part of Countess Zra's face can also be seen.
(http://pro.corbis.com/images/CA001507.jpg?size=67&uid={2259369f-1838-4e48-bc3a-3c8a68aff95e})
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on February 18, 2005, 05:38:31 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/GeorgeandNada.jpg)

George and Nada at their wedding.  Nada looks very inscrutable and appears to be wearing a very fine diamond necklace......
I think that Nada had a very exotic look, which may well come from her mother's side of the family.
I don't know that we will ever know the full facts of their marriage, which is a shame as I rather suspect that it would make very interesting reading. We do know that the couple had a predilection for pornography and had a most interesing collection of artefacts, and that Nada at least was rumoured to be bisexual.
I will merely add to this that they were a young married couple in society at a time when the old rules and standard seemed to be, if not jettisoned, then at least rigorously challenged; their lifestyle probably reflected that of many upper class couples in their social circle.....
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eurohistory on February 18, 2005, 09:43:41 AM
Nada Milford-Haven was involved n a scandal with Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt, as both were accused of being disciples of Lesbos.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on February 18, 2005, 09:59:28 AM
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I would love to see any photos,and know their history.Did they have any childern? What became of them? "Nada" was called colorful and  glamorous ! Thanks



George and Nada had two children,  Tatiana, severely mentally retarded, David, the second Marquess of MIlford Haven, who dropped dead at Liverpool street station.

George was a brilliant man, and much respected in the navy.  He was Prince Philip's Guardian.   Nada was the younger daughter of Grand Duke Michael of Russia and Countess Sophie von Merenberg.  She was flighty, and unencumbered.  When it came to sex, she swung both ways, and often.  She had an affair with Gloria Vanderbilt (mother of jeans Gloria) -- and she and her sister-in-law Edwina Mountbatten (another free spirit) would take off and travel to the Mideast.

It was Nada's more responsible sister, Zia, who took on the care of Tatiana.  Nada lived a very hedonistic lifestyle - Son David was Philip's bestman, but his subsequent quick marriage to a Mrs. Simpson lead to an estrangement ... he subsequently made a successful marriage with a former model.  His son is the 4th Marquess.

By the way, you can read more about this family in my privately published book - A Grand Alliance: the descendants of Grand Duke Michael and Countess Sophie von merenberg . which can only be ordered from me.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on February 18, 2005, 10:00:46 AM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/GeorgeandNada.jpg)

George and Nada at their wedding.  Nada looks very inscrutable and appears to be wearing a very fine diamond necklace......
I think that Nada had a very exotic look, which may well come from her mother's side of the family.
I don't know that we will ever know the full facts of their marriage, which is a shame as I rather suspect that it would make very interesting reading. We do know that the couple had a predilection for pornography and had a most interesing collection of artefacts, and that Nada at least was rumoured to be bisexual.
I will merely add to this that they were a young married couple in society at a time when the old rules and standard seemed to be, if not jettisoned, then at least rigorously challenged; their lifestyle probably reflected that of many upper class couples in their social circle.....



george had the porno collection, and yes, Nada was bisexual.  This had not been denied ... that she also lived a hedonistic lifestyle  is also well known.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on February 18, 2005, 10:07:14 AM
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By the way, you can read more about this family in my privately published book - A Grand Alliance: the descendants of Grand Duke Michael and Countess Sophie von merenberg . which can only be ordered from me.


Are we now permitted to advertise on this site?
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on February 18, 2005, 12:09:03 PM
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Are we now permitted to advertise on this site?


If it is an advertisment, perhaps the owner can remove it , ... i didn't include details .. just that it is available.  
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on February 18, 2005, 12:17:51 PM
Oh, fair enough.  It is just  that the rules are quite emphatic, you know.......
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on February 18, 2005, 01:33:12 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Nada.jpg)

A lovely photo of Nada, looking incredibly glamorous.  Satin always evokes the glamour of the thirties.......
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: felix on February 18, 2005, 02:11:27 PM
Wonderful photos, thanks all. And glad to know about Milford-Haven  book.  
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on February 18, 2005, 02:22:47 PM
Nada seems to have looked alot like Tatiana. Does anyone have a pic of her (Tatiana) as a young women? I have seen a few of her as a child but cant remember any of her as an adult.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on February 18, 2005, 03:09:28 PM
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Nada seems to have looked alot like Tatiana. Does anyone have a pic of her (Tatiana) as a young women? I have seen a few of her as a child but cant remember any of her as an adult.



I think the last time she may have been seen was at Elizabeth and Philip's wedding ... most of her adult life was spent in an institution.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on February 18, 2005, 04:52:19 PM
So was she in the big group shot from the wedding. I do not have a copy right in front of me. I think she was. Can someone maybe post it.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on February 18, 2005, 05:24:36 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/ellahesse/hessebattenberg/10077526a.jpg)

(I'll try to find a larger one):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/ellahesse/hessebattenberg/img967.jpg)
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on February 18, 2005, 05:28:02 PM
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Nada seems to have looked alot like Tatiana. Does anyone have a pic of her (Tatiana) as a young women? I have seen a few of her as a child but cant remember any of her as an adult.


There are some great ones in one of Robert Golden's books (or maybe both--I don't have them in front of me)--Relatively Royal and Golden Book of Royalty (both 2 thumbs up!).
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: felix on February 18, 2005, 05:49:02 PM
The fashion of the 20's wasnt very flattering. She has the Russian good looks. I wonder if Anastasia was as good looking as Nada ?
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on February 18, 2005, 06:04:13 PM
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The fashion of the 20's wasnt very flattering. She has the Russian good looks. I wonder if Anastasia was as good looking as Nada ?


Oh I love 20s fashion. And anything else from that  decade. It is my favorite time period of American History.

ella, those two Golden books are on my get list. I really want them.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: felix on February 18, 2005, 06:22:21 PM
The dresses seem so boxy, may just be  a male thing. And I never saw them inperson,and that makes a big difference. The evening dresses were nice. I have no idea what I'am talking about with fashion. So please forgive me!
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Mgmstl on February 18, 2005, 09:48:55 PM
George & Nada Milford Haven were supposedly prevented by Buckingham Palace from going to America to help Gloria Vanderbilt in her trial, however I believe Prince Phillip's sister, Margarita of Hohenloe-Langenburg & her husband, who was Mrs Vanderbilts ex-fiancee, did testify in Gloira's behalf at the trial.  

I remember reading about a bill for a tub of champagne for several thousand dollars that was used to soak the tired feet of the Marchioness of Milford Haven.  I suspect
George & Nada did live the fast life....
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on February 18, 2005, 11:56:09 PM
The book on Gloria Vanderbilt Jr--Little Gloria Happy at Last has a really good section all about her mother's swinging life in England. I know there's info in there about Gottfried of Hohenlohe-Langenberg amongst others. It's also somewhat documented in the miniseries if I remember right--it's been a long time since I saw it.

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and I hope he tries to write a fe more books like these two.

Arturo Beéche


You're not the only one! I love that his books focused on the less-covered royals. Great, great, great
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on February 19, 2005, 04:36:07 AM
Absolutely, just to add my voice to the chorus of praise - his books are wonderful.  Great pictures and concise information.
Felix, Check out the Maud of Norway's wardrobe thread for some great 20's fashion.  Those dresses have to be seen to be believed.  Very much an extreme reaction to the curvy, overly feminine fashions of the early decades of the 20th century, 20's dresses are simple in cut (hopeless for anyone with a feminine figure, ie most of the female population) but rely heavily on the use of pattern and beading for their interest......You might find that these styles appeal after all.......
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: QueenEna1887 on February 24, 2005, 08:35:02 AM
Wasn't Nadeja a descendant of a Romanov Grand Duchess?
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on February 24, 2005, 09:00:15 AM
A Grand Duke. Her father was GD Michael M. (Miche-Miche)who married morganatically and lived most of his adult life in England. He was brother to Sandro (Xenia's husband), George & Serge (killed by the Bolsheviks) and Anastasia who was the mother of Crown Princess Cecile of Germany and Queen Alexandrine of Denmark.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on February 28, 2005, 08:29:05 PM
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Wasn't Nadeja a descendant of a Romanov Grand Duchess?


Yes, Nada was the younger daughter of Grand Duke Michael Mikhailovitch and Countess Sophie von Merenberg, the morganatic daughter of Prince Nikolaus of Nassau.   Michael and Sophie fell in love and married with family approval.  The news of their marriage may have been one of the causes of the death of his mother Olga.  
But it was a successful, happy marriage, one son, known as Boy (a degenerate) and two daughters, Anastasia and Nada.  The family moved among the highest of social circles in Cannes and in England.  
This marriage saved MIchael's life.  But after the revolution, Michael's cash flow largely ceased, and the burden fell on Zia to marry well.  Nada had already married PRince George of Battenberg.  

Zia was the sensible one, although imperious to the ninth degree.  She was a leader in society, and she and her husband, the very rich Sir Harald Wernher, were also leaders in the horse racing set.  Their only son Alex was a close friend of Prince Philip who was also friends with their two daughters, Gina and Myra, who were childhood friends of the queen and Margaret.

Nada was the one with loose morals - and not a care in the world. After her husband's death - she tended to spend more time in Cannes - and left the care of her daughter, Tatiana, to Zia.    Tatiana was severely retarded.

I call the marriage of Michael and Sophie - A Grand Alliance because their descendants have made rather good and decent marriages - two of Zia's granddaughters are married to Dukes - Abercorn and Westminster.   You can read further about the family in a book called Grand Dukes and Diamonds  as well as my booklet, A Grand Alliance.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: QueenEna1887 on March 28, 2005, 09:28:35 AM
I was studying about Nada's family the Count de Torby's. I'm researching her brother does anyone have any photos of the Count de Torby family, from childhood to adulthood.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: TampaBay on March 28, 2005, 10:37:09 AM
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I call the marriage of Michael and Sophie - A Grand Alliance because their descendants have made rather good and decent marriages - two of Zia's granddaughters are married to Dukes - Abercorn and Westminster.   You can read further about the family in a book called Grand Dukes and Diamonds  as well as my booklet, A Grand Alliance.


Marlene,

How old is "Tally" Westminster?

TampaBay
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: TampaBay on March 28, 2005, 10:42:27 AM
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But it was a successful, happy marriage, one son, known as Boy (a degenerate) and two daughters, Anastasia and Nada.  

The burden fell on Zia to marry well.  Nada had already married PRince George of Battenberg.  



Is Anastasia and Zia the same person.  I lost track of something here.

TampaBay
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Ilana on March 28, 2005, 11:53:34 AM
Marlene, I know very, very little about Boy, but I thought his problems were mental and emotional?  Was he just a ne'er do well??  
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on March 28, 2005, 12:38:14 PM
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Is Anastasia and Zia the same person.  I lost track of something here.

TampaBay


They are indeed one and the same.......
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on March 29, 2005, 10:06:35 AM
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Marlene,

How old is "Tally" Westminster?

TampaBay



She was born in 1959.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on March 29, 2005, 10:07:57 AM
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Is Anastasia and Zia the same person.  I lost track of something here.

TampaBay


AnastaSIA  = ZIA ... named for her aunt, Grand Duchess Anastasia (married to the Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin) - Always known as Zia.  
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on March 29, 2005, 10:09:44 AM
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Marlene, I know very, very little about Boy, but I thought his problems were mental and emotional?  Was he just a ne'er do well??  



He was a seriously screwed up person, in and out of institutions.  Zia was the only sensible one in the family - imperious but sensible.   She was the one who cared for Tatiana, as Nada wouldn't - too busy flitting over to Cannes ...
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: TampaBay on March 29, 2005, 11:38:33 AM
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Tally Weitminster was born in 1959.



Marlene,

Was she considered a potential wife for the POW or Andrew?  She is just a couple months older than Lady Diana?

TampaBay
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Jane on March 29, 2005, 07:22:48 PM
I think Natalia Phillips married the Duke of Westminster in 1978.  Doubtful she was ever a contender for the POW given her tender age.  ;)
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on March 29, 2005, 10:56:47 PM
Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster, KG, OBE (born 1951) married Natalia Ayesha Phillips in 1978. The duchess is a direct descendant of the Russian writer Alexander S. Pushkin as well as Ibrahim Hannibal, a captive from Ethiopia who grew up at the Russian court, became a godson of Peter the Great, and married women of Greek and German origin.

The duke topped the Sunday Times Rich List as Britain's wealthiest individual for many years and was only eclipsed in 2004 by Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich. An estimated fortune of £5 billion is derived largely from property in central London, where he owns approximately 300 acres of the most exclusive commercial and residential real estate in Mayfair and Belgravia , as well as estates in Lancashire, Cheshire and Scotland.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on March 29, 2005, 11:04:39 PM
The Westminsters have a fabulous array of jewelry. One example is of a tiara and comb set along with necklace which was bought by the current Duke of Westminster for his wife Natalia in 1978. It's made of diamonds and pink spinels. It's very large and has an immensely detailed pattern . The tiara comes down from its first owner, Princess Catherine Bragation.


Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on March 30, 2005, 03:03:26 AM
The Bagration parure is simply splendid.  I had the great good fortune to see it in the flesh in a touring exhibition that featured some of the Westminster jewellery collection some years ago in Manchester.  It is a wonderful example of early 19th century jewellery of the grandest order and it is marvellous that it exists as a complete parure.......The present Duchess wore the tiara at her wedding to the Duke in 1978.......

This exhibition also included a wonderful Fabergé diamond tiara that the family owns, and which has recently been worn by the Duke's daughter at her wedding in Cheshire.

They are also the proud owners of the diamond fringe tiara that had belonged to Pcss Mary, Countess of Harewood..........
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: TampaBay on March 30, 2005, 05:55:36 AM
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I think Natalia Phillips married the Duke of Westminster in 1978.  Doubtful she was ever a contender for the POW given her tender age.  ;)



Jane, Tally Westminister ia a year OLDER than Lady Diana.

TampaBay
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on March 30, 2005, 09:02:43 AM
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The Bagration parure is simply splendid.  I had the great good fortune to see it in the flesh in a touring exhibition that featured some of the Westminster jewellery collection some years ago in Manchester.  It is a wonderful example of early 19th century jewellery of the grandest order and it is marvellous that it exists as a complete parure.......The present Duchess wore the tiara at her wedding to the Duke in 1978.......

This exhibition also included a wonderful Fabergé diamond tiara that the family owns, and which has recently been worn by the Duke's daughter at her wedding in Cheshire.

They are also the proud owners of the diamond fringe tiara that had belonged to Pcss Mary, Countess of Harewood..........


The Fabergé tiara, however, comes through the Westminster side when Lady Mary Crichton married into the family.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on March 30, 2005, 09:04:54 AM
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Marlene,

Was she considered a potential wife for the POW or Andrew?  She is just a couple months older than Lady Diana?

TampaBay


No .. she was born in 1959. Diana was born in 1961.  Gerald Grosvenor was dating Sarah Spencer when he met Tally at a ball - and it was love at first sight.  However, Tally and Gerald are among the Prince of Wales' closest friends.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on March 30, 2005, 12:24:45 PM
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This exhibition also included a wonderful Fabergé diamond tiara that the family owns, and which has recently been worn by the Duke's daughter at her wedding in Cheshire.

They are also the proud owners of the diamond fringe tiara that had belonged to Pcss Mary, Countess of Harewood..........


I knew she wore some gorgeous tiara when she recently married but couldn't remember which one.

I didn't know that they had the diamond fringe one that belonged to Princess Mary though.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: TampaBay on March 30, 2005, 01:32:53 PM
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The Westminsters have a fabulous array of jewelry. One example is of a tiara and comb set along with necklace which was bought by the current Duke of Westminster for his wife Natalia in 1978. It's made of diamonds and pink spinels. It's very large and has an immensely detailed pattern . The tiara comes down from its first owner, Princess Catherine Bragation.




Is Princess Catherine Bragation any relation to Leonia, Grand Duchess Vladmir?

TampaBay
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on March 30, 2005, 01:45:42 PM
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I knew she wore some gorgeous tiara when she recently married but couldn't remember which one.

I didn't know that they had the diamond fringe one that belonged to Princess Mary though.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/Jewels/WestminsterFabergetiara.jpg)

The Fabergé tiara that now belongs to the Grosvenors.  According to Geoffrey Munn:
'A tiara in the form of a graduated band of Cyclamen coum tied with knots of ribbon, purchased form Fabergé for the Hon. Mrs Wilson Fox.  The tiara can be effortlessly removed from its gold frame and worn as an articulated necklace.  Contained within its original fitted case, the jewel has undoubtedly come from the workshops of the chief jewellery workmaster to Fabergé,  Albert Holmström, c1903.'
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on March 30, 2005, 01:52:22 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/Jewels/PcssMarysfringetiara.jpg)

The diamond fringe tiara that had belonged to Princss Mary, the Princess Royal, Countess of Harewood, and which now belongs to the Grosvenors.

This jewel was sold, along with much of the princess's collection, after her death.  The Lascelles family still retain, however, the sapphire and diamond coronet that had belonged to Queen Victoria.

The fringe tiara can be taken from its frame and worn as a necklace.  English, c 1890

Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on March 30, 2005, 02:11:47 PM
And while we are on the subject of tiaras, here is Nada Milford Haven's ruby and diamond tiara, by Bolin....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/Jewels/NadasBolintiara.jpg)

According to Geoffrey Munn:
'A gold tiara in kokoshnik form, set with faceted and cabochon rubies and diamonds in the form of stars and crescents, fleurs-de-lys, trefoils and a central radiant heart.  Several of the motifs can be detached and worn as brooches.  Made by Bolin, for the Grand Duke Michael Michaelovitch, grandson of Tsar Nicholas I, for his bride Sophie de Merenberg, Countess Torby.  It passed to his daughter, Countess Nadejda of Torby, who married Prince George of Battenberg (later the second Marquess of Milford Haven).

I think that the tiara has subsequently been sold and returned to Russia?
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on March 30, 2005, 02:19:02 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/MilfordHavens.jpg)

From left to right:
Nada, Marchioness of Milford Haven, the Countess of Airlie, Lady Zia Wernher and George, 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven at the State Opening of Parliament, 15th January,1924.  Nada and Lady Airlie are attempting to wear their ancestral tiaras in the fashionable manner, low on the brow, in the style that the fashionable bandeau tiaras were meant to be worn; they both have shingled hair as well.  Zia looks quizically through a lorgnette and George looks dapper in morning coat, top hat, striped trousers and spats over his shoes.......

Nada's fur coat is very luxurious and she is wearing the Bolin ruby and diamond tiara.......
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on March 31, 2005, 03:11:04 AM
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Bingo, Martyn. And the furs---well the opening of Parliament is now usually in Nov. is it not ? So, if it was the same time of year then, I suppose furs could almost be justified. Like you said, though, the issue was not an issue then.


Hmm, hadn't thought of that....

As you say, fur was not an issue then......I know that it is wrong but it just looks so glamorous.....

Does anyone have any other photos of Zia as an adult; I have only ever seen this one and it just looks so comical.  I find it hard to reconcile the notion that she was imperious with this quizzical image of her looking like she feel out of a 20's laundry basket and peering through a dowager's lorgnette.........
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Post by: Mia on March 31, 2005, 03:40:54 AM
I guess you've all seen these from NPG and Getty:

Here Zia is with Harold Wernher 1935:
(http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/3087867.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=2A12C99B8E7B5AC2244A4FC670F624F6)
Photo Getty.

And looking completely different. 25th May 1966: Racehorse owner, Lady Zia Wernher, with her horse 'Charlottown' after he won the Derby at Epsom.
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/3432505.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=87F87E2DA3B163C4B3685A0F6613CDAF

Some small pictures on National Portrait Gallery. They don't get much bigger by clicking:
http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?search=ss&sText=wernher&LinkID=mp64930

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Post by: ChristineM on March 31, 2005, 07:03:39 AM
Thank you for that Mia.   It is fascinating to see Lady Myra Butters (even in miniature) as a child.   We know her.   She runs - at least until recently - the Scottish arm of the Pushkin Prizes.  

The Pushkin Prizes in an annual literary competition for school children.   It was initiated a number of years ago by the Duchess of Abercorn.   She is the great, great, great, great granddaughter of the poet, Pushkin.  (I think there are enough 'greats', but I'm not certain).

tsaria
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on March 31, 2005, 07:17:20 AM
Thanks Mia - very good of you to post those pictures of Zia; I can see a resemblance now between her and Nada and can forget that comical image of her with the lorgnette.......

Apparently the Bolin tiara is in Russia, or has been, as it was hoped that a buyer could be found for it there.  I think that Mar 30th was the deadline for the money to be raised for its purchase; I don't know whether this has happened or not.

If the Russian purchase does not go ahead, the present Marchioness of Milford Haven allegedly intends to split the jewel into its component parts and sell them separately........
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on March 31, 2005, 11:35:00 AM
Idiot that I am, I was looking at that article from March 2004 in the ST P Times about the Bolin tiara- so I obviously still don't know what year it is!
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Post by: Jane on March 31, 2005, 03:08:47 PM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/MilfordHavens.jpg)


Do my eyes deceive me, or is that Sydney Mitford, Lady Redesdale (mother of the Mitford girls), in the backround, between Nada Milford Haven and the Countess of Airlie?  If not, she's a dead ringer.
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Post by: Arleen on March 31, 2005, 03:52:02 PM
Martyn you are our fashion expert!  I am still hung up on the Countess Airlie's coat....what COLOR do you this this could possibly have been??  We have lots of fur back here in the mtns. of E. Tennessee, but we do not have fabrics like her coat.  What IS the fabric too??  Is this some of the inlaid fabric things that the Russians made in Paris in the 20ties.....you see, I have just read "Beauty in Exile" word for word, and the book is full of this stuff......
Many thanks for you opinion.
..Arleen  
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Post by: Martyn on March 31, 2005, 04:58:22 PM
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Martyn you are our fashion expert!  I am still hung up on the Countess Airlie's coat....what COLOR do you this this could possibly have been??  We have lots of fur back here in the mtns. of E. Tennessee, but we do not have fabrics like her coat.  What IS the fabric too??  Is this some of the inlaid fabric things that the Russians made in Paris in the 20ties.....you see, I have just read "Beauty in Exile" word for word, and the book is full of this stuff......
Many thanks for you opinion.
..Arleen  



Arleen I couldn't hazard a guess as to what the colour of Lady Airlie's coat might have been....

The pattern on it is quite bold - bolder than one thinks at first glance. I had assumed that it would be a silk damask or something of that ilk, but it may be printed.

Arleen, have you read the whole of 'Beauty in Exile'?  I am ashamed to admit that I have the book but have only read bits of it...Must get down to it and read it properly.

Arleen what is your take on the coat?  What do you think that the colour might have been?
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Post by: Mia on April 01, 2005, 05:00:35 AM
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I knew she wore some gorgeous tiara when she recently married but couldn't remember which one.

It was the Fabergé Myrtle Leaves tiara. An amazing piece of work. The leaves are so detailed with naturalistic veins and the stones fit perfectly between them.

(http://www.faberge-exhibition.com/images/laureltiara2.jpg)
Photo Fabergé Exhibition.


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Post by: Mia on April 01, 2005, 05:10:16 AM
Still about the Bolin tiara and Zia. In Magdalena Ribbings book Smycken & Silver för tsarer, drottningar och andra. W.A. Bolin 200 år (Jewels & Silver for Tsars, Queens and Others. W.A.Bolin 200 år) it is stated that:

"Grand Duke Michael also commissioned from Bolin's a similar tiara set with cabochon-cut sapphires for his second daughter Countess Anastasia de Torby, who married Sir Harold Wernher of Luton Hoo. The present whereabouts of this sapphire tiara are not known.

SARAH, MARCHIONESS OF MILFORD HAVEN"

This is a curious story and I would love to believe that it is true. But where would this tiara be today?
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on April 01, 2005, 06:41:57 AM
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Still about the Bolin tiara and Zia. In Magdalena Ribbings book Smycken & Silver för tsarer, drottningar och andra. W.A. Bolin 200 år (Jewels & Silver for Tsars, Queens and Others. W.A.Bolin 200 år) it is stated that:

"Grand Duke Michael also commissioned from Bolin's a similar tiara set with cabochon-cut sapphires for his second daughter Countess Anastasia de Torby, who married Sir Harold Wernher of Luton Hoo. The present whereabouts of this sapphire tiara are not known.

SARAH, MARCHIONESS OF MILFORD HAVEN"

This is a curious story and I would love to believe that it is true. But where would this tiara be today?


How interesting Mia.  Thanks by the way for posting the correct Fabergé tiara worn at the Grosvenor wedding.  In all fairness an easy enough mistake to make as there aren't too many families that have more than one Fabergé tiaras in their collections!

As for Zia's Bolin tiara - if it indeed exists, surely it would still be in her possession?  Is it possible to ceck with her descendants to see whether they still possess her jewellery?  Surely a Bolin tiara would be something to hang on to?

However it is curious that in the photo that features Nada, Lady Airlie and Zia, Zia is the only one not wearing a tiara; the State Operning of Parliament is the occasion for donning one's tiara.......
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Mia on April 01, 2005, 07:23:13 AM
I've been thinking of the same thing, Martyn. Zia standing there without a tiara though the others are wearing their's. She was married to a very wealthy man who could easily provide her whatever she desired. Maybe she just didn't like to wear jewelry.

But I'm sure that the if there were such a twin tiara with sapphires, it has left the family long ago. I've understood that the family has had monetary problems and even the magnificent Luton Hoo is sold.

But look what the Corbis had. I think it's interesting. Fabergé locket? Probably. The Wernher's Fabergé collection was famous.
(http://pro.corbis.com/images/AW004239.jpg?size=67&uid={a7d881a7-6045-4abd-af3d-8361ebcb38ba})
Photo Corbis
"Decorative Locket
An ornamental locket enscribed with two names and a brooch with the dates 1891-1898 encrusted in stones stand in Luton Hoo, Bedforshire, England, UK."
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Martyn on April 01, 2005, 08:24:51 AM
It most certainly has all the hallmarks of being Fabergé, Mia.Thank you so much for showing it to us.

How lovely.  The colours of the enamel are so typical.  This really is something that DOMOVOII should have a look at as he is passionate about Fabergé.

How interesting that the family now has financial troubles; certainly at the time of the Parliament photo, the Wernhers had no such worries.  Perhaps as you suggest, Zia had no taste for grand jewellery and that is why she is not wearing a tiara.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Mateus_from_poland on June 12, 2005, 06:20:35 PM
Im very interested of this woman. I wound some informations about her and her husband, Marquis Milford-Heaven. Can you post some pictrues of Nadja and her family? Some more infro about her?

Interestingly enough, Sophia's daughter, Nadjeda, on the other hand, married someone of exactly her own social standing. George Battenberg was the grandson of Queen Victoria (the name would not be changed to Mountbatten until the outbreak of World War II). However, he too was descended from a royal morganatic line. Battenberg was the principality bestowed on the Countess Julie Hauke and her children after her husband, the Prince of Hesse, had been reconciled with his father for having eloped with her.

On the day of Nadja's wedding in the Chapel Royal at Buckingham Palace the majority of the stories covering the event hysterically pointed to Nadjedja's African ancestry and snidely speculated about the probability of this branch of the Royal Family producing black babies. It should be pointed out, however, that the Times maintained both its integrity and its dignity. As was to be expected from a journal of such literary standards,the fact that the bride was a descendant of the great Russian poet was duely mentioned but what editorializing they did was instead centered on the morganatic backgrounds of both spouses.

With so many published memories and histories of the Mountbattens available today, it is disconcerting to find so few references to Nadja. As the Marchioness of Milford Haven, she was not only Prince Phillip's aunt, she also was actually his stepmother during a period of his adolescence.. When his parents, the Prince and the Princess Andrew of Greece, were exiled at the beginning of the war, Prince Phillip was sent to the Mountbattens of Milford Haven since the Marquis was his mother's elder brother. (Incidentally, his mother's title, 'The Princess Andrew of Greece,' is an indication that hers too was a morganatic marriage like the others referred to above.)

Intriguingly, the little published information on Nadjeda available can be found in a biography of Gloria Vanderbilt. Because of the kind of work it is, I cannot help but suspect that the few glimpses we get of Nadjeda are highly coloured. Not only is the reader given a detailed description of the negroid quality of her hair, (a highly implausible observation considering how many generations distant Nadjeda was from her Abysinian ancestor), but, to make for obviously even racier reading, she is portrayed as bisexual. Whether or not, as the author would have us believe, she along with her husband were earlier examples of the racous royals that 'Fergie' and 'Di' became will have to be verified for she also alludes to the extensive and priceless collection of erotica for which the Marquis and Marchioness of Milford Haven were supposedly famous. Until I have a chance to check sources for myself, I might have to accept that this, and not what I would be inclined to think, could be the reason why so little is related about her in the biographical works on Prince Phillip or other members of the Mountbatten clan.

Since both her husband and his brother, Louis, who would in time be made Viceroy of India, were Navy men during the earlier years of their marriage, Nadja and her sister in law grew quite close and in fact made news together when they piloted a two seater De Haviland on a jaunt of Eastern Europe, the Middle East and North Africa. Even though the press does not appear to have commented on the combination at the time, it should be pointed out that Alice represented another racial addition to the Mountbatten bloodline since she was the granddaughter of Lord Temple, a scion of the banking house of Ashley which like the Hambros had converted from Judaism in the late l8th century. If there is any truth to the speculation about her relationship with Nehru, then there is a third racial element which, even with an association such as this, expands the ethnic ethos of the Mountbattens into something of almost global proportions.




Greetings
polish friend of thsi great place
Matt
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Post by: Tom on June 15, 2005, 10:49:18 AM
Mateus, you have started an interesting topic and  I hope information turns up.
I will point out that Lord Louis' wife was Edwina Ashley who, as you suggest, had very interesting ancestors. However, the Ashley family were not bankers, but an old (by English standards) aristocratic family, the earls of Shaftesbury, which had a famous (or infamous) seventeenth century politician, a distinguished philosopher of the eithteenth century, and a great social reformer of the nineteenth century in its family tree. Edwina's maternal grandfather was a very rich Jewish banker, a friend of Edward VII.
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Post by: ChristineM on June 15, 2005, 03:55:05 PM
Nadezhda, as well as the poet Alexander Pushkin, was the descended from an Abyssinian slave named Hannibal who served at the court of Peter the Great.  

You will find a photograph of Countess Torby with Grand Duke Michael at The Lafayette Negative Archive.

(There are many amazing images to be found here.)

tsaria
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on June 16, 2005, 09:23:58 PM
There are quite a number of sources on Nada (as she was better known).  Have you read the book, Grand Dukes and Diamonds by Raleigh Trevelayn - the book is about the Wernher family.

Nada was never Philip's stepmother (a stepmother is the wife of one's father.)  Nada's husband, George, was Philip's guardian - but this was not a legal guardianship.  Nada probably had less contact with Philip than he had with her sister Zia (as Zia's son. Alex, was Philip's best friend.)  

Philip was born in 1921, several years after the first world war.  He did not go to live with his British relatives until the mid-1930s when he left Salem to go to school in Scotland (Gordonstoun.)  BY that time, his parents were separated.  His mother was in a sanitarium, and his father was at the gambling tables in Monaco.

HRH Princess ANdrew does not mean morganatic status.  The wives of the Greek princes were known by their husbands titles.  Princess Nicholas, for example, was a Russian Grand duchess.  Princess George was Marie Bonaparte.  This was following the German tradition where wives were styled by their husbands names.  The exceptions were the wives of the heirs to the Greek throne - and Prince Christopher's first wife - Nancy Leeds who was created a princess in her own right (Anastasia.)


Nada's bisexuality is not in doubt, and not denied by the family, either.  Her husband's pornography collection was also acknowledged.   After George's death, she spent far less time in Britain - preferring Cannes.  She larged abandoned her retarded daughter, Tatiana, leaving Tatiana in Zia's care (Tatiana spent most of her adult life in institutions.)


Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on June 17, 2005, 08:24:20 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/r273.jpg)

George & Nada's wedding photo
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on June 17, 2005, 08:25:21 AM
I had written this in another thread:

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Nada apparently retired into relative seclusion following her widowhood in 1938. In 1948 she moved permanently to Cannes (a longtime favorite of the Romanovs and where she'd spent a good bit of her childhood and where she and George often vacationed). She suffered from increasing bad health and thus began to travel more and more infrequently to England. She was still close to Philip to whom she'd been a surrogate parent and was invited to royal events, but her health prevented attendance at many. She died at Cannes in 1963 and her body was returned to Bray Burial Ground near Maidenhead where her husband was buried. (Their home Lynden Manor was nearby here). There was a private funeral attended by Prince Philip who remained very fond of her. Tatiana had lived with her in France and returned to England upon her mother's death. She had mental problems since she was a child and these increased as she grew older. She resided at St Andrew's Hospital in Northampton for the final 2 decades of her life which seems to have suited her. She continued to visit her various relatives and was very close to her nephews (sons of her brother David). There was a funny story of her at Elizabeth II's wedding where she was apparently peeved at not being a bridesmaid. She went to the wedding breakfast at Buckingham Palace and decided to appropriate the seat designated for George VI. She refused to move until Queen Mary threatened her with an umbrella. She was already assigned a 'companion' at ths point to help watch over her, an older woman name Miss Parker.  A side note on George MH: his funeral, while it took place in a small British town, had a large component of royalty. He was provided full naval honors and walking behind the gun carriage were: George VI (king at the time so it was unusual I think for a monarch to appear there for other than a parent), his brother George Duke of Kent, 2nd Marquess of Carisbrooke, Lord Louis Mountbatten and Prince Louis of Hesse (Ernie's 2nd son). There were also a good number of foreign envoys and in the carriages were the Queen of Spain (nee Victoria Eugenie of Battenberg, his 1st cousin), Crown Princess Louise of Sweden (his sister) and his daughter Alice, Princess Andrew of Greece. I think the presence of the reigning king and his brother walking right behind the carriage rather than sending representatives was a testament to the close relationship GMH maintained (started by his parents' and grandparents' affection for and relation to Louis & Victoria) with the royal family and the esteem in which he was held.

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Post by: Marlene on June 17, 2005, 08:55:35 AM
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I had written this in another thread:




Ella,   Nada absolved herself of responsibility of her daughter.  She could not handle Tatiana, who was severely retarded.  Zia was the one who made the arrangements for Tatiana's care, not Nada (who was too much of a hedonist.)  

Tatiana became rather violent  - and did not visit relatives - once she was incarcerated.  She was severely mentally disabled.  
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on June 17, 2005, 03:25:31 PM
Thanks. I was going by what I had read in other books such as Robert Golden's 2 on lesser known royals.
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Post by: Marlene on June 20, 2005, 08:58:31 AM
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Thanks. I was going by what I had read in other books such as Robert Golden's 2 on lesser known royals.



I found the story about not being a  bridesmaid (at Elizabeth's wedding) as Tatiana was already 30 when Elizabeth married Philip.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: dp5486 on March 05, 2006, 07:46:38 PM
Are there any photos of Nada's parents Grand Duke Michael and Countess Torby and her siblings at their daughter's (and sister's) wedding?

I am looking for pictures of them as they would have looked at the time of the Russian Revolution.
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Post by: lancashireladandre on March 06, 2006, 02:26:56 AM
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I've been thinking of the same thing, Martyn. Zia standing there without a tiara though the others are wearing their's. She was married to a very wealthy man who could easily provide her whatever she desired. Maybe she just didn't like to wear jewelry.

But I'm sure that the if there were such a twin tiara with sapphires, it has left the family long ago. I've understood that the family has had monetary problems and even the magnificent Luton Hoo is sold.

But look what the Corbis had. I think it's interesting. Fabergé locket? Probably. The Wernher's Fabergé collection was famous.
(http://pro.corbis.com/images/AW004239.jpg?size=67&uid={a7d881a7-6045-4abd-af3d-8361ebcb38ba})
Photo Corbis
"Decorative Locket
An ornamental locket enscribed with two names and a brooch with the dates 1891-1898 encrusted in stones stand in Luton Hoo, Bedforshire, England, UK."

In the book "Double Exposure" by the Twin Sisters Thelma Lady Furness & Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt the sapphire tiara is mentioned as being in the 1930's the property of NADA. Gloria was lent a diamond and pearl diadem by Nada for her presentation at court at which Nada appeared wearing the sapphire tiara.The two women were reputed to have been having a lesbian relationship during the famous custody battle for Gloria's daughter.The Werhner family are certainly not as rich as they were, although Lady Zia's two daughters Lady Kennard and Lady Butter (who are great friends of the Queen) still live in some style as do their 9 surviving offspring who include 2 Duchesses,2 Countesses, a Princess Galitzine,and the wife of one of Scotlands great landowners....Luton & many of it's fabled contents had to be sold after the tragic death of Nicholas Philips but a selection of the great art treasures held in a trust can be seen in Black Heath,London.Lady Kennard too may still own the tiara topped with the 35 carat pearshaped diamond she inherited fom her paternal grandmother Lady Ludlow ( formerlY Lady Werhner).One of her daughters certainly wore it on her wedding day.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: VN on March 13, 2006, 08:06:02 AM
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george had the porno collection, and yes, Nada was bisexual.  This had not been denied ... that she also lived a hedonistic lifestyle  is also well known.



I would like to know how these facts got into public? Did they speak openly about their Sexlife?
I'm just wondering, thinking about Georges sister Alice being locked away at Kreuzlingen for ages (even if this was years later) and the Family trying to keep it low to the public and on the other side the brother and sister-in-law "swinging" around.

I mean, who talkes openly about ones porn-collection??? (well maybe some like that). But even if this is discovered by the next generation, who, especially in a royal position, would speak about their parents sexual orientation.  
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on March 13, 2006, 09:17:19 AM
I don't who the source was (maybe someone who had viewed it?) but it was published in the Little Gloria...Happy at Last book which also talks about Gottfried of Hohenlohe-Langenberg (Philip's BIL). They ran with a pretty fast set.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on March 13, 2006, 05:10:37 PM
family members do talk, and information does seep out.

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I would like to know how these facts got into public? Did they speak openly about their Sexlife?
I'm just wondering, thinking about Georges sister Alice being locked away at Kreuzlingen for ages (even if this was years later) and the Family trying to keep it low to the public and on the other side the brother and sister-in-law "swinging" around.

I mean, who talkes openly about ones porn-collection??? (well maybe some like that). But even if this is discovered by the next generation, who, especially in a royal position, would speak about their parents sexual orientation.  

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Post by: Marlene on March 13, 2006, 05:12:33 PM
Long before that, actually.  Private dealers buying and selling material, etc.   There were rumors as far back as the 30s about this couple

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I don't who the source was (maybe someone who had viewed it?) but it was published in the Little Gloria...Happy at Last book which also talks about Gottfried of Hohenlohe-Langenberg (Philip's BIL). They ran with a pretty fast set.

Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 14, 2006, 06:08:27 AM
You mean Margarita & her husband or Nada & George ?  ???
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on March 14, 2006, 08:49:13 AM
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You mean Margarita & her husband or Nada & George ?  ???


George owned a major erotica collection ...  He collected erotica, like I collect royal postcards (and so excited about a card I just won in an auction - of a group shot taken after Alice and Andrew's wedding ... I am sure it must be in books, etc., but I was delighted to win it = and it came under my highest bid.)

Nada, on the other hand, lived for the moment, lived a hedonistic lifestyle, and was the total opposite of her sister, Zia.
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Post by: grandduchessella on March 14, 2006, 09:22:22 AM
George, Nada, Tatiana, David and Nada's brother

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/hessebattenberg/img983.jpg)
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Post by: VN on March 23, 2006, 03:20:31 PM
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George, Nada, Tatiana, David and Nada's brother

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/hessebattenberg/img983.jpg)



Is the young boy David, the son of Nada and George? He looks alot like Philip as a boy. And the older Woman, isn't that VMH? Do you have a date when the picture was taken?
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: TampaBay on March 26, 2006, 06:36:23 AM
Does anyone know waht was thought of the match between these semi-toyals at the time of their marriage?

TampaBay
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: imperial angel on April 24, 2006, 05:54:13 PM
She certainly seems like she was interesting woman, be that good or bad. Perhaps her reputation is why she isn't mentioned more, that seems valid. Tatiana was her only child, I believe. Nadjada intrigues me, and she certainly was a free spirit.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: LisaDavidson on April 24, 2006, 06:47:40 PM
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She certainly seems like she was interesting woman, be that good or bad. Perhaps her reputation is why she isn't mentioned more, that seems valid. Tatiana was her only child, I believe. Nadjada intrigues me, and she certainly was a free spirit.

Actually, Nada and her husband had two children, Tatiana and David, who became the 3rd Marquess of Milford Haven, after the death of his father in 1938. Nada is thus the paternal grandmother of the current Marquess of Milford Haven and his brother Ivar.

She was indeed a free spirit and is best known in the US as one of Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt's lovers.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on April 25, 2006, 09:30:45 AM
The book on Gloria Jr, Little Gloria: Happy at Last, details some of this for anyone who's interested in reading the book. I think it was there that George's pornography collection as well as Sandra's son (and Philip's brother-in-law) Gottfried of Hohenlohe-Langenburg are mentioned. (Just as a side note, Anderson Cooper of CNN is Gloria Jr's son, so Gloria's grandson--wonder if he ever thinks of this in the back of his mind when he covers the British royals.)
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Post by: imperial angel on April 25, 2006, 10:15:14 AM
Thanks for the info that she had a son, as well as a daughter. Are there any pictures of them as children? I will look up that book. She had an interesting life.  ;)
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Post by: grandduchessella on April 25, 2006, 10:11:00 PM
I had posted this on another thread:

Nada apparently retired into relative seclusion following her widowhood in 1938. In 1948 she moved permanently to Cannes (a longtime favorite of the Romanovs and where she'd spent a good bit of her childhood and where she and George often vacationed). She suffered from increasing bad health and thus began to travel more and more infrequently to England. She was still close to Philip to whom she'd been a surrogate parent and was invited to royal events, but her health prevented attendance at many. She died at Cannes in 1963 and her body was returned to Bray Burial Ground near Maidenhead where her husband was buried. (Their home Lynden Manor was nearby here). There was a private funeral attended by Prince Philip who remained very fond of her. Tatiana had lived with her in France and returned to England upon her mother's death. She had mental problems since she was a child and these increased as she grew older. She resided at St Andrew's Hospital in Northampton for the final 2 decades of her life which seems to have suited her. She continued to visit her various relatives and was very close to her nephews (sons of her brother David). There was a funny story of her at Elizabeth II's wedding where she was apparently peeved at not being a bridesmaid. She went to the wedding breakfast at Buckingham Palace and decided to appropriate the seat designated for George VI. She refused to move until Queen Mary threatened her with an umbrella. She was already assigned a 'companion' at ths point to help watch over her, an older woman name Miss Parker.  A side note on George MH: his funeral, while it took place in a small British town, had a large component of royalty. He was provided full naval honors and walking behind the gun carriage were: George VI (king at the time so it was unusual I think for a monarch to appear there for other than a parent), his brother George Duke of Kent, 2nd Marquess of Carisbrooke, Lord Louis Mountbatten and Prince Louis of Hesse (Ernie's 2nd son). There were also a good number of foreign envoys and in the carriages were the Queen of Spain (nee Victoria Eugenie of Battenberg, his 1st cousin), Crown Princess Louise of Sweden (his sister) and his daughter Alice, Princess Andrew of Greece. I think the presence of the reigning king and his brother walking right behind the carriage rather than sending representatives was a testament to the close relationship GMH maintained (started by his parents' and grandparents' affection for and relation to Louis & Victoria) with the royal family and the esteem in which he was held.
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Post by: imperial angel on September 20, 2006, 01:12:24 PM
Nada was very interesting; but she did live a very fast life. She was the focus of some scandal in that trial; but anyone would probably have not been surprised who knows anything about her. I think she just liked to have fun, and she was fun by all accounts. She lived in the moment. I would say she was pretty, but that she defintely had a talent for dressing well. She was very much the glamourous woman of the 1930s. A biograohy of her would be interesting, certainly. Her marriage most likely would be a fascinating story, but then her life is. She was said to have a bewitching laugh.
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Post by: Marlene on September 20, 2006, 01:18:14 PM


A booklet is available called A Grand Alliance: the descendants of Grand Duke MIchael of Russia and Countess Sophie von Merenberg.  I believe there is interesting information about Nada in it ... I would recommend contacting the author by pm about it.



Nada was very interesting; but she did live a very fast life. She was the focus of some scandal in that trial; but anyone would probably have not been surprised who knows anything about her. I think she just liked to have fun, and she was fun by all accounts. She lived in the moment. I would say she was pretty, but that she defintely had a talent for dressing well. She was very much the glamourous woman of the 1930s. A biograohy of her would be interesting, certainly. Her marriage most likely would be a fascinating story, but then her life is. She was said to have a bewitching laugh.
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Post by: Lucien on December 19, 2006, 03:24:11 AM
Sad news for the contemporary Milford-Haven's.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/18/nmilford18.xml

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 19, 2006, 04:26:49 AM
Sad indeed...especially people don't understand why it happened ? Suicide or accident ?  :'(
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Post by: José on June 10, 2007, 02:18:49 PM
George, Nada, Tatiana, David and Nada's brother

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/hessebattenberg/img983.jpg)

So that's Michel "Boy" ?
I had never seen any pictures of him.
Are there other pics ?
And who might be the girl in the left assuming the 2nd is Tatiana ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 10, 2007, 07:47:00 PM
I think he looked more like Prince Philip to me. That mop of blond hair is so much a signiture look for him.  ???
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Post by: grandduchessella on June 10, 2007, 11:26:42 PM
'Boy' is the adult male on the far right. The young boy with the blond mop is David Milford-Haven.

The photo shows George & Nada with their 2 children, Tatiana and David. Also Nada's brother. I think the woman is Countess Torby? I don't have the book in front of me. I had put the info in the original caption.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 11, 2007, 12:02:08 AM
Which book is it from ?  ???
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Post by: ashdean on June 11, 2007, 08:14:47 AM
'Boy' is the adult male on the far right. The young boy with the blond mop is David Milford-Haven.

The photo shows George & Nada with their 2 children, Tatiana and David. Also Nada's brother. I think the woman is Countess Torby? I don't have the book in front of me. I had put the info in the original caption.
The older woman is Victoria Milford Haven..Queen Victoria's grandaughter..
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Post by: José on June 11, 2007, 02:09:27 PM
So, from the left ir would be Nada, Tatiana, George, David, Victoria MH and Michel-Boy .
As the photo was so small, I was assuming that Nada was the 2nd from the right.
Looking better one realizes that the 2nd from right is much older.
Thanks.
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Post by: grandduchessella on June 11, 2007, 05:07:33 PM
'Boy' is the adult male on the far right. The young boy with the blond mop is David Milford-Haven.

The photo shows George & Nada with their 2 children, Tatiana and David. Also Nada's brother. I think the woman is Countess Torby? I don't have the book in front of me. I had put the info in the original caption.
The older woman is Victoria Milford Haven..Queen Victoria's grandaughter..

Thanks. I couldn't tell from my own scan.  :) It did come out small.  :P
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 11, 2007, 07:33:50 PM
From where ?  ???
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Post by: grandduchessella on June 11, 2007, 09:04:21 PM
Regarding Michael Torby, he designed dresses both for exhibit and charity performances during WW1 and exhibited his watercolours between WW1 and the 1930s. After the late 1930s, he basically fell out of public notice until his death in 1959.

And for David Milford-Haven, his godparents included the Prince of Wales, Patsy Ramsey, GD Michael (his grandfather), Zia and Admiral David Beatty. He had 2 Davids as godfathers, was he named for one of them?
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Post by: grandduchessella on June 11, 2007, 09:04:50 PM
From where ?  ???

One of Robert Golden's books.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 12, 2007, 02:18:18 AM
Okay ! He also knows some stories about Nada too... ;)
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Post by: Martyn on June 12, 2007, 03:32:31 AM
Okay ! He also knows some stories about Nada too... ;)

Anything that can be written here?  Or are they too salacious and based on hearsay?  (Still interested..... ;))
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 12, 2007, 03:41:26 AM
Some of them were already written in caption with the photos. I once asked him why didn't he do something about George & Nada, but he said with Phil the Greek still around. The timing may not be right.  ;)
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Post by: Martyn on June 12, 2007, 05:52:44 AM
Some of them were already written in caption with the photos. I once asked him why didn't he do something about George & Nada, but he said with Phil the Greek still around. The timing may not be right.  ;)

Of course.  The family connection is still strong I would imagine.  George was more involved with Philip than people originally thought.

Perhaps in another ten years or so.......?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 12, 2007, 07:33:41 PM
Indeed...I think Mountbatten's daughters (Countess Patricia & Lady Pamela) is of that same generation too.  ::)
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Post by: Gabriella on February 22, 2008, 07:24:40 AM
I would like to know what Victoria Milford-Haven thought of Nada and her life-style and love-life. Does anybody know about?

Thanks,

Gabriella
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Post by: Marie-Mathilde on March 21, 2009, 01:15:35 PM
I know that Nadejda was of Russian parentage, but both parents were exiled soon after their marriage. I also understand that Nadejda's father, Grand Duke Michael Mikhailovich, owned a factory somewhere in Europe for a time when she was a small child. Somewhere along the way she and her family took up residence in England. I'd like to ask if anyone knows what nationality Nadejda considered herself to be? Also, what languages did she speak? Which did she consider to be her first language and did dhe speak English with an accent? Thankyou.
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Post by: Marc on March 21, 2009, 04:53:00 PM
Well,it's hard to say...her parent's were both Germans by blood(Holstein-Gottorp and Nassau)with various nationalities...Russian in her father's case and don't know about her mother(maybe Luxembourg or Great Britain)...her ancestry is also interesting...has German,Russian,Abyssinian,even Swedish with Sjöberg-Wrangel blood...so,she later also married a German with British passport...I think she may well consider herself British because she lived there most of the time with never forgetting her German roots which was the case with most Germans living in England...
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Post by: Marlene on March 21, 2009, 06:20:35 PM


Nada's mother was never exiled.  She was not Russian.  Grand Duke Michael was exiled following his marriage to Sophie Merenberg. The family lived in France for some years before moving to England, which became their main residence.  English would have been their primary language, along with French, perhaps German.  They also probably knew Russian - but it would not have been the primary language as Sophie would not have known the language. 
Her husband and children were British natiionals.   Nada chose to live in France, where the weather was better.

I know that Nadejda was of Russian parentage, but both parents were exiled soon after their marriage. I also understand that Nadejda's father, Grand Duke Michael Mikhailovich, owned a factory somewhere in Europe for a time when she was a small child. Somewhere along the way she and her family took up residence in England. I'd like to ask if anyone knows what nationality Nadejda considered herself to be? Also, what languages did she speak? Which did she consider to be her first language and did dhe speak English with an accent? Thankyou.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 22, 2009, 06:40:18 PM
Yes. Miche-Miche did rented a villa in Cannes, I wonder was that the same place Nada went back ?
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Post by: ashdean on March 23, 2009, 04:03:31 AM
Yes. Miche-Miche did rented a villa in Cannes, I wonder was that the same place Nada went back ?
Grand Duke Michael OWNED the Villa Kazbeck at Cannes. He may have inhereited it from his own father.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 23, 2009, 02:09:16 PM
Perhaps. But I thought they were not on talking terms especially after the death of Grand Duchess Olga. Indeed, Miche-Miche only rented a place in London instead of buying a permanent home.
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Post by: Paola on March 25, 2009, 12:48:39 PM
The house  Grand Duke Michael rented in Hampstead Heath,  London , was Kenwood House.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 25, 2009, 01:45:50 PM
Yes. I have been to Kenwood House, with most of the original stucco decoration in place. Indeed. They did not know much about the time when it was leased to the Grand Duke. It was known that Miche-Miche did not have enough money to buy it. He was forever begging for more money from Russia.
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Post by: Marlene on March 25, 2009, 02:08:39 PM
Yes - Kenwood House.  One can see the family's doggie graves there ... the guidebook about Kenwood has information about Michael and family ...Michael was immensely rich until the war - but all of his wealth was in Russia, and by 1916 began to suffer from financial problems.  After the revolution, they had to leave Kenwood because they could no longer afford the lease, and the Michaels had to move into smaller quarters.

The house  Grand Duke Michael rented in Hampstead Heath,  London , was Kenwood House.
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Post by: Marie-Mathilde on March 25, 2009, 04:29:21 PM
Thanyou for the information. I read somewhere that after Nadejda's husband George died she became something of a recluse. But I am sure that she made many appearances at family gatherings post-1938. Anyway I was just wandering if Nada and George had a (generally speaking) happy and successful marriage. I ask this because I have also read of Nada's numerous affairs with both genders and of George's large collection of erotica (not sure how that would impact on their marriage, but it's the only thing I know about him). I'm not entirely sure about these two vague pieces of info on Nada and George, and don't want to judge them seen as there is so little material on them. Anyway if anyone could help me out I would be very grateful, thankyou.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 25, 2009, 07:53:54 PM
I have a friend in England. who was tried to find out more but his resaerch did not get anywhere. It is still a touchy subject to dig into even now. Their papers are still under lock and key.

As for Miche-Miche, he was not as rich as people think. His letters to his family are full of request for money, that does not sound like a rich man to me. He was definitely well off by any standards. Although why he did not buy a house in England is a mystery, as he spend so much time in that country (his two daughters marryining into aristocratic or rich families in that country).
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Post by: grandduchessella on March 26, 2009, 09:43:53 AM

As for Miche-Miche, he was not as rich as people think. His letters to his family are full of request for money, that does not sound like a rich man to me.

Or someone who had gotten spoiled as a Romanov and couldn't deal with his 'reduced' circumstances and wanted the seemingly endless funds a Grand Duke in Russia had. He and his wife certainly led a good life.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 26, 2009, 12:30:43 PM
I think a Grand Duke in exile is no fun. However both Grand Duke Paul (with his second wife) and Grand Duke Michael (Floppy) lived quite happily aboard before coming back before W WI. Thank God Miche-Miche did not return like them, outerwise he would be shot too.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on March 26, 2009, 12:39:13 PM


There is a very good source for Michael's life  - Grand Dukes and Diamonds.   

As for Miche-Miche, he was not as rich as people think. His letters to his family are full of request for money, that does not sound like a rich man to me.

Or someone who had gotten spoiled as a Romanov and couldn't deal with his 'reduced' circumstances and wanted the seemingly endless funds a Grand Duke in Russia had. He and his wife certainly lead a good life.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 26, 2009, 12:42:06 PM
Yes. It did not cover too much on Nada though, as it was mostly on the Werner family and Zia.
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Post by: Marie-Mathilde on April 01, 2009, 09:04:34 AM
Thankyou very much for trying to dig up something, it's so difficult trying to find anything about the two of them.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 01, 2009, 11:23:10 AM
Indeed. There are side views of them in bios of Dickie and Edwina too. Robert Golden's photo books has some photos and some gossipy tales about Nada...
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Post by: LisaDavidson on April 01, 2009, 05:00:24 PM
I have a friend in England. who was tried to find out more but his resaerch did not get anywhere. It is still a touchy subject to dig into even now. Their papers are still under lock and key.

As for Miche-Miche, he was not as rich as people think. His letters to his family are full of request for money, that does not sound like a rich man to me. He was definitely well off by any standards. Although why he did not buy a house in England is a mystery, as he spend so much time in that country (his two daughters marryining into aristocratic or rich families in that country).

Rich is a relative term. Grand Duke Michael M. would have had income up until 1917, and he seemed to complain about money fairly widely throughout his life. Grand dukes were not necessarily savvy businessmen in general, which alone could explain why he leased rather than owned. That, and until the Revolution he undoubtedly would have preferred to return to Russia.

His daughters' marriages are thought to have been his source of income after the Revolution. However, in the context that most of us would understand, the Grand Duke was never poor or impoverished - but also was likely not always wise in how he spent the money he had.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 01, 2009, 06:11:58 PM
Not too sure about the situation of his income. Miche-Miche wanted to marry since it would give him financial freedom. When he got married to the wrong woman, he was exiled and money stopped. Later it was reinstated, but did he recieved the same amount as other grand dukes ? Also was the villa in Cannes in his name ?

Don't think he got too much from Nada 's marriage, although Zia did hit the jackpot with the Werners.
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Post by: Marc on May 21, 2009, 07:29:33 AM
Found the portrait of Nadejda's ancestor,famous Abraham Petrovich Hanibal:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/gannibal0a.jpg)
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Post by: LenelorMiksi on May 23, 2009, 11:30:36 AM
There's quite a bit of information on George Milford-Haven in Richard Hough's book "The Mountbattens", which I just finished re-reading.  According to the book, the Mountbatten family divided themselves up two ways by personality- Victoria, Louise, and "Dickie", (the younger Louis) being the extroverts, and Louis, Alice, and George being quieter.  George was very intelligent, according to Hough "he read books on higher calculus casually in trains, or in the evening with people talking all around him".  I imagine he had to learn to read while people were talking with a mother like VMH! He reached the rank of Commander in the Royal Navy, and "He was a born leader,like his father, and possessed enormous charm.  The men loved him, and unlike his father and his younger brother, who had their difficulties, he got on immediately and very well with his fellow officers and superiors."  He served in the Navy during WWI. He retired in 1932, and worked for the British Sperry Gyroscope Company.
  There's not much on his wife in the book, unfortunately. Hough does say that when George and his younger brother were both serving in the Mediterranean Edwina and Nadejda shared Casa Medina, a villa rented in Malta, where it seems VMH would visit them.  From photographs Nadejda looks beautiful, I wonder if there are any portraits of her out there?
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Post by: Marie-Mathilde on May 23, 2009, 01:53:52 PM
I find Nada and George both very interesting. In the book Indian Summer by Alex von Tunzelmann, it hints of an affair between Nada and her sister-in-law Edwina, or certainly implies that their were rumours abound at the time. Can't remember the exact circumstances but that is the only real info I have read on Nada. Does anyone know if they named their daughter Tatiana after Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaevna, George's cousin? Or perhaps they just liked the name! (it's my favourite name by the way, sorry off topic!)
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Post by: Ilana on May 24, 2009, 11:54:28 AM
That's interesting.  I've read books on Edwina and they state that no, she didn't have affairs with women, but she certainly "hung out" a lot with Nada, and Gloria Vanderbilt's mother, etc., etc.
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 27, 2009, 08:05:39 AM
Interesting thread. But does someone has more pictures of Nadeja ? I'd like to see more as she seems to have been a very beautiful woman with a rich and complex personality.

Thank you in advance.
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Post by: Svetabel on June 27, 2009, 09:29:13 AM
From the NY Library:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/--.jpg)

Nada as a girl

And here's she in 1916 with her husband:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/MarquisGeorgeofMilford-Haven_spo-1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/MarquisGeorgeofMilford-Haven_spouse.jpg)

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Post by: KarlandZita on July 05, 2009, 08:56:37 AM
Thank You, Svetabel for the pictures.

Nadeja will be more attractive by taking the age as in her youth.
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Post by: Kalafrana on October 27, 2009, 09:19:58 AM
I read somewhere (I'm trying to remember where) that as a girl of about 10 or 11 the present Queen sat next to George Mountbatten at dinner and was much impressed with him, not least because he treated her as an intelligent adult and not as a child.

Possibly in the same book, I read that he was extremely clever and technically minded, but very lazy. As a young officer he filled his cabin with gadgets of his own devising, such as a tea-making device, to avoid having to get out of bed!

He died very unpleasantly from bone cancer at the age of 46. apparently he broke a leg, it refused to heal, cancer was eventually diagnosed, the leg was amputated, but all to no avail.

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Post by: Ilana on October 28, 2009, 11:15:35 AM
Kalafrana, that was probably in LOUIS & VICTORIA that you read that.  The comments from the Queen come from an interview the author conducted in the 1970's.  I believe he might have gotten that attractive characteristic of not talking down to children from his mother.
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Post by: Kalafrana on October 28, 2009, 11:48:02 AM
Louis & Victoria - it may well have been. I did read it a long time ago.

A writer who mentions George Battenberg very favourably is Cecil Roberts. He was a fairly well known author between the wars (he was born in 1892-ish) and produced several volumes of autobiography (now long out of print). In the second, called, I think 'The Year of Promise' he writes of visiting the Grand Fleet a few days before the Battle of Jutland, and having a long chat with George Battneberg, and agreeing to send him parcels of the books he got to review.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 28, 2009, 03:11:28 PM
Well...I read Louis and Victoria, it did not go very deep on the relationship and charecteristics of both Nada and George. Like why did George collect so much porn ? Was he obsessed with different aspects of sexuality ? Was the marriage to Nada, a known lesbian satisfactory ? The real relationship between Gloria and Nada ? I doubt they will be answered soon.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 28, 2009, 08:47:32 PM
Well...I read Louis and Victoria, it did not go very deep on the relationship and charecteristics of both Nada and George. Like why did George collect so much porn ? Was he obsessed with different aspects of sexuality ? Was the marriage to Nada, a known lesbian satisfactory ? The real relationship between Gloria and Nada ? I doubt they will be answered soon.

I doubt they are anyone's business, Eric.

Gloria and Nada are both dead and buried and barring a cache of letters, this is pure speculation. I didn't know lesbians were registering in that time, but many gay people of the era had satisfactory marriages based on friendship. I have no idea if George MH was sexually obsessed or not. Porn, as you know, can be found in all societies, and his porn was his business.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 28, 2009, 10:38:30 PM
Well...Nada's relationship with Gloria made headline news in America. That is not just anybody's business. If so there would not be a media circus around Princess Diana and Princess Margaret. George is Philip's uncle, I do not know if he had shown his collection to his nephew.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Kalafrana on October 29, 2009, 04:24:40 AM
Since Prince Philip was not yet 17 when George died, I doubt whether George would have shown him his porn collection!
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Ilana on October 29, 2009, 10:23:19 AM
Nada and Gloria Vanderbilt's relationship was explored during the trial concerning Vanderbilt's daughter.  They were making decisions on the fitness of the mother.  Those became public knowledge at the time and there were other women involved and named.  At any rate, there is no evidence about what George Battenberg thought of the entire thing.  The only thing I know is that VMH supported BOTH her daughter-in-laws during their various travails.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2009, 02:09:32 PM
VMH was such a trooper ! She even liked Serge, even though others have reservations about his stance on Serfs, Jews and religious issues. I think George was tolerant of his wife's affairs, and maybe he has some of his own too like his brother Dickie did.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on October 29, 2009, 02:12:51 PM
On July 3, 1935,  an Appellate court exonerate Gloria Vanderbilt of all the "sensational" charges made by the maid, Marie Cailloit - the judge was referring to the alleged relationship between Gloria and Nada.  
"we think that the charge rests upon the testimony of the maid, Cailloit, elicited upon cross examination, to be so detrimental to the relator and the evidence to support it so unsubstanial that she was entitled to unqualified and complete exoneration."  
The story about a lesbian relationship hinged entirely on the testamony of  a maid with an axe to grind - and her testamony did not hold up in court.  Lady Milford Haven also took legal action and won.  
Nada and Gloria Vanderbilt's relationship was explored during the trial concerning Vanderbilt's daughter.  They were making decisions on the fitness of the mother.  Those became public knowledge at the time and there were other women involved and named.  At any rate, there is no evidence about what George Battenberg thought of the entire thing.  The only thing I know is that VMH supported BOTH her daughter-in-laws during their various travails.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on October 29, 2009, 02:13:56 PM
The collection was kept at the MIlford Haven's home in Edinburgh.

Since Prince Philip was not yet 17 when George died, I doubt whether George would have shown him his porn collection!
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2009, 02:21:15 PM
Under lock and key as Robert Golden told me.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Paul on October 30, 2009, 11:41:58 AM
Well...I read Louis and Victoria, it did not go very deep on the relationship and charecteristics of both Nada and George. Like why did George collect so much porn ? Was he obsessed with different aspects of sexuality ? Was the marriage to Nada, a known lesbian satisfactory ? The real relationship between Gloria and Nada ? I doubt they will be answered soon.

I doubt they are anyone's business, Eric.

Gloria and Nada are both dead and buried and barring a cache of letters, this is pure speculation. I didn't know lesbians were registering in that time, but many gay people of the era had satisfactory marriages based on friendship. I have no idea if George MH was sexually obsessed or not. Porn, as you know, can be found in all societies, and his porn was his business.

Female Bisexuality, and Lesbian chic, were periodically fashionable thru out the 20th Century.

Given George Mountbatten's porn interest, Nada's supposed proclivities probably would've increased his attraction to her. I'm told that Lesbianism figures prominently in heterosexual porn.... mind you: I know this only because my brother tells me about such things.. <chuckle>
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2009, 03:00:37 PM
That is why we will never know the details...at least until the present Queen and Prince Philip dies. I don't think William cares a toss about George & Nada.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Vecchiolarry on October 31, 2009, 09:37:06 AM
Hi,

I'd be surprised if anyone, let alone William & Harry, is interested in Edwina, George, Nada and Gloria - even after the demise of The Queen & Prince Philip.
Lesbianism and porno are now just blase subjects now-a-days and frankly uninteresting....

Paul -
You are so correct about the ebbing & flowing of degenerate cconditions in society.
I'm, frankly, wondering if these ladies were all tarred with the same 'lesbian' brush by simply associating with Elsa Maxwell, the notorious lesbian party-giver of the 20's thru 50's...
I met Elsa Maxwell once (and that was enough, thank you!) at the opera in Rome in 1958.  She was an overly large, grotesque & smelly old harridan and vulgar to the n'th degree.  She and Mercedes D'Accosta were the premier lesbians of the first half of the 20th Century;  and many women were tagged as lesbians simply by association with one or both of them:  Greta Garbo, Marlene Dietrich and Claudette Colbert.
Whether they all were or not, I don't know, nor could care less.
And, I surmise, society as a whole, doesn't either.

Larry
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Ilana on October 31, 2009, 11:54:23 AM
Indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 31, 2009, 12:40:58 PM
This is a bit off the subject but Marlene Dietrich was bisexual. In her daughter Maria Riva wrote her mother once said all the fuss about hetrosexual and homosexual, she said in her days in Berlin, she went to bed with whoever she found attractive, male or female ! Both the Duchess of Windsor & Anna Anderson believed Dickie Mountbatten played for BOTH teams.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 31, 2009, 02:43:59 PM
This is a bit off the subject but Marlene Dietrich was bisexual. In her daughter Maria Riva wrote her mother once said all the fuss about hetrosexual and homosexual, she said in her days in Berlin, she went to bed with whoever she found attractive, male or female ! Both the Duchess of Windsor & Anna Anderson believed Dickie Mountbatten played for BOTH teams.

What is this now, the royal gossip show? Anna Anderson didn't even know Lord Mountbatten! And how well did Wallis know him? Ridiculous! As I have stated on many other threads, being friends with a gay person means nothing more than that. It does not mean the other person is gay.

Back to the topic if anyone remembers what it is - oh, yeah, The Marchioness of Miltford-Haven.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2009, 10:13:07 AM
Yes. Nadejda de Torby, who was a lesbian and lived a very interesting life. Thiat is a fact and not gossip. The Duchess of Windsor was convinced that Dickie was gay, at least bisexual and that has been confirmed by many sources.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on November 01, 2009, 04:31:37 PM
Oh do shut up, Eric.  There is no hard evidence that Nada was a lesbian or that she had a sexual relationship with Gloria Vanderbilt.  The ONLY source for that was the maid's testimony, and her evidence was thrown out with a judge's ruling, which I posted above.  There is no other evidence or reliable source that Nada was involved with other woman.  She certainly had sex twice with her husband.  She *may* have been a lesbian but there is no hard evidence.   Dickie was certainly not gay or bi-sexual.  There is no evidence that he had affairs with men, but he certainly had affairs with women, and had a long-standing affair with a particular woman. 
The Duchess of Windsor, who certainly had a relationship with an American gay man, was hardly in a position to know about Mountbatten. She barely knew him, and Dickie's relationship with David soured after the abdication. 
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: LisaDavidson on November 02, 2009, 12:20:49 AM
Oh do shut up, Eric.  There is no hard evidence that Nada was a lesbian or that she had a sexual relationship with Gloria Vanderbilt.  The ONLY source for that was the maid's testimony, and her evidence was thrown out with a judge's ruling, which I posted above.  There is no other evidence or reliable source that Nada was involved with other woman.  She certainly had sex twice with her husband.  She *may* have been a lesbian but there is no hard evidence.   Dickie was certainly not gay or bi-sexual.  There is no evidence that he had affairs with men, but he certainly had affairs with women, and had a long-standing affair with a particular woman. 
The Duchess of Windsor, who certainly had a relationship with an American gay man, was hardly in a position to know about Mountbatten. She barely knew him, and Dickie's relationship with David soured after the abdication. 


Thank you, Marlene.

Eric, Marlene is the acknowledged expert on the descendants of Queen Victoria. Her word on this subject is sufficient.

Kindly stop repeating the same gossip and innuendo as fact.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on November 02, 2009, 07:26:02 AM
Thank you, Lisa

Nada may have played for both teams  :D  but unless a historiian comes up with letters or actual documents regarding Nada's lifestyle (and she was hardly responsible - her sister largely cared for Tatiana), but the discussion of being a lesbian is based largely on the Vanderbilt trial - based on a maid's testimony.   Gloria was exonerated on the "sensational" charges - so if Gloria was exonerated so was Nada. 
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 02, 2009, 05:01:34 PM
Well I will not shut up. I is very rude to say that top anyone. I do have reliable sourses on this subject. Marlene had been wrong before, she said Baby Bee had an affair with Alfonso XIII and knifed Queen Ena behind her back. I know all along Bee & Ena remained close friends and Bee was loyalty to the end to Ena. That is why I do not accept any "excpect" that stand to be challenged.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Svetabel on November 03, 2009, 07:08:41 AM
I do have reliable sourses on this subject. Marlene had been wrong before, she said Baby Bee had an affair with Alfonso XIII and knifed Queen Ena behind her back. I know all along Bee & Ena remained close friends and Bee was loyalty to the end to Ena. That is why I do not accept any "excpect" that stand to be challenged.

If you DO have reliable sources, as you said, DO tell about them. Your usual way is hinting and not giving these "reliable sources".

Also Beatrice /Alfonso XIII "affair" is not the subject of this topic.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on November 03, 2009, 08:13:17 AM
I repeat my statement: Oh do shut up

In my article in Royalty Digest about Baby Bee, I wrote:  "Beatrice feigned contiinued friendship with Ena, alkthough Ena's biographer, Gerard Noel, states that Beatrice was a ring leader in court intrigue against the Queen. Sheflirted openly with the King, and much to Ena's dismay, she became one of the King's confidantes.
"Several writers have suggested that Beatrice was one of the king's mistresses; but while she conspired with Spanish noblemen in procuring mistresses for the King, she herself did not become his lover."

So in other words, I did not write that Baby Beel Slept with Alfonso and I said the statements were based on what Ena's own biographer said.

Well I will not shut up. I is very rude to say that top anyone. I do have reliable sourses on this subject. Marlene had been wrong before, she said Baby Bee had an affair with Alfonso XIII and knifed Queen Ena behind her back. I know all along Bee & Ena remained close friends and Bee was loyalty to the end to Ena. That is why I do not accept any "excpect" that stand to be challenged.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on November 03, 2009, 08:14:44 AM


Svetabel, Eric would not know a true fact if it hit him in the face.  Moreover, he totally ignores the actual court testimony and the judge's ruling!

I do have reliable sourses on this subject. Marlene had been wrong before, she said Baby Bee had an affair with Alfonso XIII and knifed Queen Ena behind her back. I know all along Bee & Ena remained close friends and Bee was loyalty to the end to Ena. That is why I do not accept any "excpect" that stand to be challenged.

If you DO have reliable sources, as you said, DO tell about them. Your usual way is hinting and not giving these "reliable sources".

Also Beatrice /Alfonso XIII "affair" is not the subject of this topic.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 03, 2009, 10:13:18 AM
The last time. The fact that Marlene repeated what was published did not make her unchallenged. Both John Wimbles and Ricardo Matoes who had read Missy's correspondence to Bee and knew about Ena's correspondence told early on that Ena & Bee were "friends for life". Do you think Ena would be friends to Bee if she knew her friend had betrayed her ? From information now it seems that Bee refused to sleep with Alfonso that made him treated her and Ali shabbily. I agree that this is not the place to discuess Bee or Ena. But the fact is that no information is not "full proof". As for the information on Nada, I did talk to a few people in London who knew about both her and facts about Dickie. It is still a raw nerve and the truth cannot be told publicly yet. As for a judge's ruling, I do not think it has anything to do with the truth. Judgements get overturned everyday. I rest my case.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: LisaDavidson on November 03, 2009, 10:49:33 AM
The last time. The fact that Marlene repeated what was published did not make her unchallenged. Both John Wimbles and Ricardo Matoes who had read Missy's correspondence to Bee and knew about Ena's correspondence told early on that Ena & Bee were "friends for life". Do you think Ena would be friends to Bee if she knew her friend had betrayed her ? From information now it seems that Bee refused to sleep with Alfonso that made him treated her and Ali shabbily. I agree that this is not the place to discuess Bee or Ena. But the fact is that no information is not "full proof". As for the information on Nada, I did talk to a few people in London who knew about both her and facts about Dickie. It is still a raw nerve and the truth cannot be told publicly yet. As for a judge's ruling, I do not think it has anything to do with the truth. Judgements get overturned everyday. I rest my case.

Eric - since you cannot present facts about the Marchiness' sexuality, do stop discussing it. Gossip and innuendo may be okay for you, but not for serious historians. Stop attacking Marlene. I cannot tell you how many times I've wanted to say "shut up" when people play fast and loose with the facts.

Enough.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Marlene on November 03, 2009, 11:32:54 AM
Thank you Lisa.  If Eric had read the testimony and the judge's ruling, he might have learned something.  As I stated many times, Nada may have been bi-sexual, but there is no hard evidence.  As for Bee and Ena - their friendship evolved - but it was not easy for Bee or Ena in the first years of their marriages.  This is evident in the book about Bee and Ena, to which I provided information.

Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 03, 2009, 03:17:13 PM
I am not attacking but being attacked here. I never told people to shut up. People should respect other people's views. Isn't it ? Anyway one day I will publish what I learn from others, but I am pretty sure it may not please everybody. But after all that is what democrasy is all about ? As Marlene did not say I was lying but need hard evidence. But in terms of hard evidence it may be difficult, unless the lover tells it. Yet even then it may not be enough, after all it all happen behind closed doors.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Svetabel on November 04, 2009, 05:14:25 AM
It is still a raw nerve and the truth cannot be told publicly yet.

So, if it cannot told publicly - stop flaming here the discussion that leads to nowhere.

You all can agree to disagree, and I repeat - don't divert the topic into Beatrice/Alfonso discussion.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Kalafrana on November 04, 2009, 06:35:27 AM
For the record, on the subject of Lord Mountbatten's sexuality, I am aware that there were rumours of homosexual liaisons circulating in the Royal Navy, but have no way of judging their reliability. On the other hand, I knew Mountbatten's long-time confidant, Vice Admiral Sir Ronald Brockman, and he was adamant that Mountbatten had an active heterosexual love life.

Ann
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Svetabel on November 04, 2009, 08:12:37 AM
For the record, on the subject of Lord Mountbatten's sexuality, I am aware that there were rumours of homosexual liaisons circulating in the Royal Navy, but have no way of judging their reliability. On the other hand, I knew Mountbatten's long-time confidant, Vice Admiral Sir Ronald Brockman, and he was adamant that Mountbatten had an active heterosexual love life.

Ann

Here's a topic about Nadejda de Torby!
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: LisaDavidson on November 04, 2009, 08:20:57 PM
I am not attacking but being attacked here. I never told people to shut up. People should respect other people's views. Isn't it ? Anyway one day I will publish what I learn from others, but I am pretty sure it may not please everybody. But after all that is what democrasy is all about ? As Marlene did not say I was lying but need hard evidence. But in terms of hard evidence it may be difficult, unless the lover tells it. Yet even then it may not be enough, after all it all happen behind closed doors.

Eric: You are not being attacked, you are being admonished about not being factual. Plenty of writers accept gossip as fact, and you are certainly welcome to follow their lead and publish gossip, and but has nothing at all to do with democracy. If you were stating opinions, such as in my opinion, the Marchioness was an xyz, there might be some to agree and disagree, but that would involve opinion.

Marlene is an historian, and she was telling you not to state gossip or opinions as fact. I agree with that. Be clear about what you are stating is all I have been saying.

Also, Svetabel is a moderator, and when she admonishes posters about staying on topic, we expect her rulings to be respected just as if the FA or me had said it. So, kindly give it a rest if it is not about Nada, and if you are stating an opinion or gossip, kindly label it as such.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 05, 2009, 02:50:38 PM
According To Royal writer Robert Golden, Nada was still quite a brassy creature in her old age. I guess that must be her style.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: imperial angel on November 05, 2009, 06:11:21 PM
As I recall, Gloria Vanderbilt jr may have mentioned Nada and her mother in her autobiography, the first one, Once upon a time- I know it was either in that book or it was in her second book Black Knight, White Knight, or maybe both that she mentioned her mother and Nada. I should look up again what she had to say about her mother and Nada.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 05, 2009, 07:46:35 PM
I think Nada and Gloria were at least close friends. I don't think there is a biography of the Morgan sisters published yet...
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 02, 2010, 11:00:41 AM
Nadejda, sister Anastasia (?) ,George and some other people i cant identify

(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4634/milfordhavens.jpg) (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/milfordhavens.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 03, 2010, 03:08:41 PM
They are the only ones that are featured here.  ;)
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: grandduchessella on October 03, 2010, 08:00:38 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/MilfordHavens.jpg)

From left to right:
Nada, Marchioness of Milford Haven, the Countess of Airlie, Lady Zia Wernher and George, 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven at the State Opening of Parliament, 15th January,1924.  Nada and Lady Airlie are attempting to wear their ancestral tiaras in the fashionable manner, low on the brow, in the style that the fashionable bandeau tiaras were meant to be worn; they both have shingled hair as well.  Zia looks quizically through a lorgnette and George looks dapper in morning coat, top hat, striped trousers and spats over his shoes.......

Nada's fur coat is very luxurious and she is wearing the Bolin ruby and diamond tiara.......

Martyn had posted hed the photo some time back, including the Countess of Airlie (DIL of QM's Countess of Airlie?). I believe the photo comes from one of Robert Golden's books?

There was a separate thread on George so I merged the two and re-named it.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 04, 2010, 06:41:58 AM
The friend who scanned thta picture did it for a jewelry topic in another forum. She didnt put any name just the one of Nadejda.
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 04, 2010, 01:03:42 PM
This picture was used in the Tiara book by Geoffrey Munn & another one by Robert Golden.  ;)
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: ashdean on October 04, 2010, 06:48:23 PM
I think Nada and Gloria were at least close friends. I don't think there is a biography of the Morgan sisters published yet...
The sisters wrote their autobiography "Double Exposure".
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 05, 2010, 10:54:23 AM
Thanks for the information ! Is the book out of print already ?
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 30, 2011, 04:42:45 PM
Nadejda & George with the countess  of Brong and Lady Gibbons

(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4930/afasf.jpg) (http://img26.imageshack.us/i/afasf.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Ilana on January 31, 2011, 10:26:00 AM
Totally off the wall, but it looks like he's txting.

Looks like it may be the walkway to Lyden Manor?
Title: Re: George 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (Battenberg) and Nadejda (Nada) de Torby
Post by: Kalafrana on January 31, 2011, 11:58:23 AM
I wonder if the 'mobile' is actually a cigarette case.

Ann