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Title: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Frederika on February 21, 2005, 03:45:30 PM
 
Aleksandr 1878-1886
the first ruler of the independant Bulgaria was prince Aleksander of Batternburg a relitive of princess Alice of greece he arrived in bulgaria in 1877 Aleksanda was an effective ruler and was very populer among his people he found the narrow constitution unexceptable and suspended it in 1881 giving him self absolot power he then started a masive reform program which angered the Tzar Aleksandr III who deposed him in 1886 he died in 1893 at the age of 36 he said as he left "God help Bulgaria"

Ferdanand I 1887-1918
Aleksandr III chose Ferdanand of saxs corburg as the next ruler a half Italian halth german Prince the bulgarian royal family retained its italian links from then on.

Ferdanand was a very unrelieble and arrogant man he also pushed through much modernisation Bulgaria developed faster than any other country in the reagon

Ferdanand Married his Italian cousin Maria Louisa 1865-1899 she died in childbirth he then Married Elenor or Reuss 1860-1917.

The reform minded priminister Stambolov declered Bulgarias inderpendance in 1908 Ferdanand Became Tzar in his own right. Ferdanand Later had Stanbolov murdered. He sided with the germans in WWI he was then deposed and died in exile in 1948.

Boris III 1918-1943

Boris  was a very Populer monach he converted to Othodoxsy and led a modest life in line with his people boris a shy man who disliked conflict he preferd to stay in the backgrouned and leave the polotics to the polotions he was murdered on the way back from visiting Hitler tamparing with the oxogen Masks was the suspected cause of his death
Boris Married Gogiovan1907-2002 of Italy in 1930 she had two children Maria Louisa and Simon.

Simon 1943-1946

Simon was 6 when he became Tzar his prince Kryll served as redent until he was exicuted by the Communists in 1945 the Communists riged a reforendom on the monachy which was abolished in 1946 the royal family lived in spain where simon married a spanish Countess Margaraita 1935-  In 1996 he retured to bulgaria in 2001 he formed his own political party and one the National election becoming the Prime minister he promised to rid the country on unemployment  within 100 days which he did not achiev but he has improved the conditions for the Bulgarian people who resently a poll said faved a retern of the Communists!
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on February 21, 2005, 06:29:02 PM
Tsar Simeon is also an example of changing his surname!He chaged it from von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha to Sakskoburgotski to sound much more Bulgarian than German!
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: cimbrio on February 26, 2005, 05:29:08 PM
I was in Bulgaria twice three years ago and asked what they think of the whole Monarchy thing. Though all or most of the Bulgarians I met with (which were of all ages and ethnic groups) manifested their hope and admiration for Simeon of saxe-Coburg, none of them wish a return of the monarchy; I think they just see it as an anticuated institution. However, it's good that Simeon's quite popular (he's quite popular here in Spain, where he's lived most of his life). In any case, I think it's interesting that he's now Prime Minister. The memory of his (possibly assassinated) father is also very much alive, and there's always candles lit next to his grave in the fabulous Rila Monastery, buried at the foot of some mountains south of Sofia.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Elisabeth on February 27, 2005, 03:09:16 PM
I think what Cimbrio wrote is true, the monarchy probably won't be restored in Bulgaria - although there's an off-chance that it could be, given the right circumstances.

However, when I was in Bulgaria I noticed that Simeon's father, Tsar Boris III, was still regarded with fondness, even with a great deal of nostalgia. Taxi drivers liked to point out to us Boris' Garden and the Tsar's Highway (near Shipka, where, we were informed, Boris liked to race cars). They (and all the other Bulgarians I met, even on the Left) also invariably referred to Simeon as "The Tsar." Not Simeon Saksborgotski or "the prime minister," but - "The Tsar."

And, as I was informed by a reliable source, this is also the case with all of his ministers in the government: Simeon is not only "The Tsar," they even address him as "Your Majesty." Simeon is accorded this degree of respect partly because of his own political accomplishments (such as getting Bulgaria into the European Union) but also and perhaps even more importantly because of the enduring historical legacy of his father. Boris III is still popular among Bulgarians because of his wily maneuvering during WWII, his annexation of ancestral Bulgarian lands, and the rescue of the Bulgarian Jews from Hitler's clutches (although those Jews in the annexed territories perished). His untimely death - many still believe he was poisoned by Hitler - only adds to his mystique.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: cimbrio on February 28, 2005, 04:50:26 AM
Very well put Elisabeth. In Dulcie M. Ashdown's book "Royal Murders" Hitler is very much suspected of being behind Boris III's death (I think the official reason was heart attack). Mussolini is also a probable "royal" murderer if we consider the Pope as a "Prince" for the Pope at the time was discussing the Church's position toward Fascism. He "died in his sleep" after being administered a dose by his doctor (who was, "funnily" enough, Mussolini's mistress' father!)...
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marlene on February 28, 2005, 03:23:45 PM
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Very well put Elisabeth. In Dulcie M. Ashdown's book "Royal Murders" Hitler is very much suspected of being behind Boris III's death (I think the official reason was heart attack). Mussolini is also a probable "royal" murderer if we consider the Pope as a "Prince" for the Pope at the time was discussing the Church's position toward Fascism. He "died in his sleep" after being administered a dose by his doctor (who was, "funnily" enough, Mussolini's mistress' father!)...


By the way, the family does not think that Hitler was behind the death. Have you read the two excellent bios
on Boris?
Dimitroff, Pashanko  Boris III of Bulgaria  (1986)
     Groueff, Stephane  Crown of Thorns  (1987)

Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Elisabeth on February 28, 2005, 03:27:11 PM
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By the way, the family does not think that Hitler was behind the death. Have you read the two excellent bios
 on Boris?
Dimitroff, Pashanko  Boris III of Bulgaria  (1986)
      Groueff, Stephane  Crown of Thorns  (1987)



I've read Dmitroff's book - I think. Also one about the rescue of the Bulgarian Jews which dealt with Boris III's death. I think historians are pretty much agreed that Boris died of natural causes (heart disease). But that doesn't stop the ordinary Bulgarian in the street from wondering. It's one of those historical (non)mysteries that never quite goes away, isn't it? Because Boris had just returned from a trip to Germany before he died, and previously he had supposedly been in good health.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Elisabeth on February 28, 2005, 03:48:06 PM
For anyone interested, the book about the Bulgarian Jews during WWII is called Beyond Hitler's Grasp: The Heroic Rescue of Bulgaria's Jews, by Michael Bar-Zohar (Adams Media, 1998). The section dealing with Boris III's mysterious death is from pp. 232-239.

For a less generous view of Boris' role in the rescue of the Bulgarian Jews, see the excellent documentary film The Optimists (the director is a Bulgarian-Israeli named Comforty), which gives all the credit to the Bulgarian people, parliament, and Orthodox Church.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: pablo on February 28, 2005, 04:24:35 PM


 The success of Marita Operation(Yougoslavia) was in check, it was very necessary to maintain Bulgaria at war.
 Hitller never would had poisoned him.

 Regards.

 
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on March 01, 2005, 02:13:20 AM
Does anyone have any good colour portraits of the members of Bulgarian royal family?Kings?Queens?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Elisabeth on March 02, 2005, 02:40:06 PM
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  The success of Marita Operation(Yougoslavia) was in check, it was very necessary to maintain Bulgaria at war.
  Hitller never would had poisoned him.

  Regards.

  


I don't think Hitler poisoned Boris, but if you wanted to make a case for it, the evidence could point to murder: Boris was an official ally of Nazi Germany but he was never going to be Hitler's lackey (the way the Hungarians were, for example). He not only refused to hand over the Bulgarian Jews (thanks to enormous pressure brought upon him by the Bulgarian Orthodox Church, the Bulgarian people, and not least the Bulgarian parliament), but he also refused to allow Bulgarian soldiers to serve on the Western or Eastern fronts. And these are just two of the reasons why Boris remains so popular among average Bulgarians to this day - he kept them out of WWII to the extent that it was possible to do so. (The U.S. and I think Britain bombed Sofia a few times - but that was about it for international strife. Boris' ambassador to the U.S. even said, "our declaration of war isn't serious" - but the U.S. took it seriously - to a certain - very limited! - extent.)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on March 03, 2005, 11:36:11 AM
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Very well put Elisabeth. In Dulcie M. Ashdown's book "Royal Murders" Hitler is very much suspected of being behind Boris III's death (I think the official reason was heart attack). Mussolini is also a probable "royal" murderer if we consider the Pope as a "Prince" for the Pope at the time was discussing the Church's position toward Fascism. He "died in his sleep" after being administered a dose by his doctor (who was, "funnily" enough, Mussolini's mistress' father!)...


King Boris was sickly and he was under tremendous stress during these times trying to juggle his country, his relationship with Nazi germany and also keeping an eye on the Soviet Union and the Allies...it is not a surprise that he suffered a quick death most likely induced by overwork, tension and stress.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 08, 2005, 09:37:54 PM
He did not change it. That is his name in Bulgarian. He needed a last name for a passport and to enter politics.
BTW, on Mon. am the Metropolitan of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church announced that Simeon was "King by origin and annoint, head of government by duty". Whatever that is supposed to mean. The monarchy has already been abolished by popular referendum and the BOC carries little weight in the country now. Should be interesting to see what reaction the satement brings- if any.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on March 09, 2005, 09:30:39 AM
I think King Simeon made a terrible blunder when he entered politics.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 09, 2005, 09:48:22 AM
Uou may be correct, Arturo. His popularity is not so good now and his government  is barely holding a new coalition together. The sad case of another Bulgarian soldier being shot recently [American friendly fire !] is not helping the general disconent  with the Ieaqi involvement and the mad rush to get more foreign investment is proving another problem. Elections are due in June, I think and there is no guarentee that  his party will remain credible.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: TampaBay on March 09, 2005, 10:37:49 AM
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I think King Simeon made a terrible blunder when he entered politics.

Arturo Beéche


Arturo,

Why do you think he went into politics?

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Elisabeth on March 11, 2005, 05:08:39 PM
I think he went into politics because he is very good at it and because the Bulgarians initially at least wanted him back. You have to understand, Simeon is very presentable to foreign powers - he speaks numerous foreign languages, is well bred and educated - in contrast to so many other politicians from Eastern Europe. Remember, Bulgaria is a very small country, with little influence, and needs an impressive and relatively well known representative who is respected by the larger powers.

I for one am not so gloomy about Simeon's prospects in the upcoming June elections, - he's too skillful at political maneuvering to be dismissed entirely. Let's wait and see.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 11, 2005, 06:31:16 PM
His talents are duely recognized. However, one must also remember that Simeon was NOT elected to power- his party was. Much like the system in the UK,  the party then determines who they nomiate for the premiership.  At this time, his party is sharing a coalition in which it is loosing the popular consesus. As in all such countries, "fast fixes" are dissapointing and rarely materialize.
Simeon promised "1000 days" and all would be well. So far, the NATO membership is resented, as is the tender for foreign investment on the way to Euro membership.  There are other issues that are influencing the sway, a trial in Libya that sentanced  several Bulgarian  health workers to death- "where is Simeon's foreign influence?"
Property grabs opened up to the same ilk that ruined the south of Spain- Simeons friends. The involvement in Iraq... it goes on.  
Bulgaria is indeed a small nation. They like it that way. They also are very xenophobic. This is the first time they have been free of direct foreign intervention in their affairs since the 13th century. They are extremely wary of a new situation where it happens again.
Now, I shall go and read my Bulgarian online papers, it is am there already !
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on March 12, 2005, 09:33:23 AM
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Arturo,

Why do you think he went into politics?

TampaBay


I think King Simeon felt it as his duty to intervene in the political crisis and assume leadership of the government.  The last time I had a face to face with him in Vienna, I expressed my deep concern with this action, all the while expressing to His Majesty my deepest hope that it would all turn out for the better.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: TampaBay on April 13, 2005, 11:40:28 AM
Is Bulgaria Slavic?  Is Roumania Slavic?

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: nerdycool on April 13, 2005, 06:33:44 PM
Meaning languages? Yes, Bulgarian is Slavic. However, Romanian is not. It is considered a romantic language, in the same league as French, Spanish, and Italian. As for culture, I don't know. My guess would be that Bulgaria is more Slavic and Romania could have a mix of Slavic/European cultures. I'm sure someone who is better informed on that will reply.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: TampaBay on April 13, 2005, 07:21:28 PM
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Meaning languages? Yes, Bulgarian is Slavic. However, Romanian is not. It is considered a romantic language, in the same league as French, Spanish, and Italian. As for culture, I don't know. My guess would be that Bulgaria is more Slavic and Romania could have a mix of Slavic/European cultures. I'm sure someone who is better informed on that will reply.



From reading about Marie of Romania, I would venture to say the culture of Romania is pseudo-French.

Are the people slavic?

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on April 14, 2005, 05:54:07 AM
Yes,they are!Although Roumanian language is Romanic they are mostly Othodox with 11% as Catholics!Whole Balkan area are mostly Orhtodox(with just Albania as a Muslim Country)!
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Frederika on April 14, 2005, 04:36:52 PM
the romainians greeks an albaimian are the only non slaves in easten europe the albainians like the greeks are the last enclave of peoples that inhabited the regon bethore the slavs came.

Romainia was settled in by peoples from the roman empire so there language is more relaited to italian. they also use the latin script.

bulgaria is an ancient slavic civilisation.

Hungary is unique as its people are neather slavic of latin in  has a langauge that is not realated to any other meaning it is non like spanish or english which came from other langauges Hungaryn just developed by its self but finnish later came from in.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on April 14, 2005, 07:26:09 PM
Bulgarians are not Slaves by origin!They are mostly Tatars who came to Europe(read Balkans) in 8th century and recived slavic customs as their own and adopted well to the surroundings!
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 14, 2005, 08:23:18 PM
Khan Kubrat first came to Byzantine chronicles in 632. His tribe united the Bulgars north of the Caucasus, bewteen the sea of Azov and the Black sea. This was the formation of the first BULGARIAN state. The formation meant that "they would never become other peoples SLAVES". Unfortunately, history did not work out exactly as planned until many centuries later.
Slavs are one people, Bulgarians are NOT SLAVES.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on April 15, 2005, 07:21:13 AM
Well,it seems that I missed the century!I thought it was in 8th century and in fact it was in 7th!Thanks Robert!
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 15, 2005, 10:04:18 AM
No problem, Marc.   This is also interesting : " The Slavs and the Bulgars retained their self-government and the territorial autonomy...from the 7th the the begining of the 10th century...the new state is referred to as a SLAV_BULGAR state". Note the differentiation of the two.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on May 19, 2005, 10:15:14 AM
Dear Marc,
The Bulgars were not Tatars. They were Turkic with some Persian traits. They were related to the Magyars.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on May 20, 2005, 04:12:57 AM
Don't know about that!I have read in the world encyclopedia(just checked now one more time) that Bulgars were Tatars who came to Europe in 7th century and that their name Bulgar(or Protobulgar as it says in the book) is also of Tataric origine!
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 20, 2005, 10:25:35 AM
This from the BULGARIAN HISTORICAL DICTIONARY [Detrez, London 1997];" Bulgarians: Slavic speaking people who emerged in the 7th through 10th centuries, when the Turkic Proto-Bulgarians and the Slavic tribes in northern Bulgaria merged.

Proto-Bulgarians: Tribe of Turkic origin, called "Bolgarians" in historical sources and originating in Central Asia....mentioned for the first time in a historical source in A.D. 354...some of them participated in Atilla's raids into Western Europe...settled in Hugary..."
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: pablo on May 21, 2005, 12:12:57 PM


   Which are Premier Saxe-Coburg Gotha's chance of keeping his post for the next four years ?

 Regards
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 21, 2005, 12:18:10 PM
Latest news from Sofia that I recieve [daily] is not good. His coallition is weak,  party defections, and there are a lot of promises not kept [nothing new there- or anywhere for that matter]. Also corruption and crime have not been cleaned up.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on May 26, 2005, 09:09:18 PM
His chances are not very good.
However, I read an interview with the Minister of Defense and he said that the monarchy would be better. He is a high profile member of the cabinet, one of the important one. I am surprise that he can say something like that.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Iskenderbey on May 27, 2005, 01:05:01 PM
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His chances are not very good.
However, I read an interview with the Minister of Defense and he said that the monarchy would be better. He is a high profile member of the cabinet, one of the important one. I am surprise that he can say something like that.


Last I read, the King's party is expected to come in a close second to the Socialists, with most scenarios pointing to the Socialists needing the King's party in a coalition government.  
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on May 27, 2005, 01:41:00 PM
Hello guys,

I read that you discussed the death of Tsar Boris III.
Here is something that I read. One hypothesis is that Tsar Boris III was poisoned by Mafalda Maria Elisabetta of Savoy, sister of Tsarina Giovanna.
What I read was that she arrived from Rome to Sofia with train a few days before Tsar Boris III death. Her husband von Hesse Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel was arrested by Hitler. In order to save her husband and children she was ordered to poison the Bulgarian monarch.
Personally I do not believe of that. However, this theory exists and I wanted to share it.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on May 28, 2005, 08:01:20 AM
The socialists needs just the Turkish minority MRF party in order to form a ruling coalition but the majority may be too thin.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 29, 2005, 09:51:33 AM
What's new on the political situation?
Is there a new cabinet already?
What about the king?
BBC said on the election day that he might still be prime-minister.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on June 29, 2005, 10:44:59 AM
Sorry, ignore my previous post. The real situation is that the Socialists will have 82 MPs and MRF will have 34. As you can see, this is far from the 'magic figure' of 121 needed for a majority in the 240-strong Parliament.
the Socialists had consultations today with Simeon's party which will have 53 MPs. The consultations with MRF are tomorrow.
Probably neither Simeon, nor the Socialists leader Serguey Stanishev will be the new PM.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 29, 2005, 11:10:54 AM
What a shame! I heard Simeon is a good politician and that his government made significant improvements of the economy and the country. What do you think?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on June 30, 2005, 02:45:38 PM
It's true in the macroeconomic sense but this progress didn't raise the average salary and pension much.
Today the MRF leader, Ahmed Dogan, declared that he was willing to support a Socialist government and Prime Minister even without Simeoon's support. Tomorrow morning there will be more consultations between the MRF and Simeon's party, and later between the MRF and the Socialists, again.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 30, 2005, 02:51:43 PM
dvoretzky
Please, let us know what is happening.

Thank you!
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: TampaBay on June 30, 2005, 08:14:08 PM
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dvoretzky
Please, let us know what is happening.

Thank you!



Yes, let us know what is happening.  I have many Bulgarian friends in Florida.  Thank you for all your help in this matter.

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 13, 2005, 08:28:46 PM
It seems Simeon can still be the future prim-minister.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=49878
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on July 15, 2005, 12:05:35 PM
Frankly, it's really a vicious circle that Bulgaria is in. The three-party coalition has regular meetings but the major question, who will be the PM, blocks the progress. On Monday Mr. Stanishev will get a mandate to form a cabinet but it's not clear what will happen. The Socialists have a way out, the ethnic Turkish MRF party and a dozen or so of other MPs may support them, so they have a chance to form a government of their own without Simeon's party, but it won't be a stable one.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 15, 2005, 10:25:44 PM
According to the morning news in Sofia- Simeon got the boot. [Sofia News]
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 17, 2005, 09:44:41 PM
dvoretzky
do you think he has done a good job?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 18, 2005, 06:24:50 AM
In my personal opinion, the results are mixed. I was in Bulgaria whwn his party was elected and the  enthusiasm was very noticable.  I have since returned and the dissapointment is equally noticable. I think he promised far more than he could deliver, did not  stop the corruption, nor the violence. That his Western Euro friends are making money at the expense of Bulgarians and his property claims  are outrageous. My views are based on those of my Bulgarian friends and various news reports from the country itself. Naturally there will be other, more symapthetic views and I suppose the real truth lies somewhere in between.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on July 18, 2005, 12:43:39 PM
Sorry, no big news, nesides Mr. Stanishev getting the mandate from the hands of his former Comrade, President Purvanov.
All issues have been decided upon, with the exception of personnel changes :-))
Do you think Simeon should be happy to be the Chairman of the Coalition Council (the silly post, meaning nothing, that he was offered)?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: TampaBay on July 18, 2005, 01:32:37 PM
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dvoretzky
do you think he has done a good job?


The real question is: "Do you think Tony Blair or George W. Bush of Jacque Chirrac could have done a better job?".  All things are realitive in realtion to what one has to work with.

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 18, 2005, 02:11:46 PM
TB, my dear, what kind of question is that ? Bulgaria has a whole set of problems that are totally different that those of any major country. Simeon supposedly brought his  Western connections to tackle  those problems.  So he might be considered to have the same resources, but did not use them to the best or most proper advantage in the Bulgarian situation ?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: TampaBay on July 18, 2005, 03:35:18 PM
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TB, my dear, what kind of question is that ? Bulgaria has a whole set of problems that are totally different that those of any major country. Simeon supposedly brought his  Western connections to tackle  those problems.  So he might be considered to have the same resources, but did not use them to the best or most proper advantage in the Bulgarian situation ?


A question to begin discussion, so those not familiar with Bulgaria (except where it is on a map such as myself), may understand what the former "Eastern Block" countries are up aganist.  I for one have no "clue" but I seek to understand.

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 18, 2005, 08:59:40 PM
I think that even the fact that he might have hade a chance to be prim-minister again is a victory in itself, given the political context. I think he probably did a better job than any local politician could have done [also true for other East-European countries]. But the expectations of the people were VERY high so he is out.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on July 19, 2005, 09:45:59 AM
It is hard for me to judge him. Noone can deny that he brought Bulgaria into NATO and the EU (well, almost;-)). On the other hand, it's a fact that he used his mandate for personal gains, too. Bottomline: somewhere in between Machiavelli and Clinton.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: TampaBay on July 19, 2005, 10:09:08 AM
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It is hard for me to judge him. Noone can deny that he brought Bulgaria into NATO and the EU (well, almost;-)). On the other hand, it's a fact that he used his mandate for personal gains, too. Bottomline: somewhere in between Machiavelli and Clinton.


Did he have "personal" gains while Prime Minister?

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on July 19, 2005, 03:13:11 PM
Absolutely, the Sofia District Governor (appointed by him) decided to restore his ownership over forests worth 130 million Euro. There are publications claiming that those forests hadn't belonged to his family at all but to the Crown. And as Bulgaria is a Republic since 1946, then he shouldn't be entitled to this property.
Besides, there were reports that one of his sons, Prince Kiril who is a City broker, had made a lot of money by the deals with the foreign debt of Bulgaria which were decided upon during his term of office.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 19, 2005, 07:51:21 PM
I'm not surprised by such news. But if he is a good landlord and if the country prospered during his period in office why shouldn't he also “thrive”? Better him than all those newly enriched former communists who don’t understand that their prosperity is linked with that of the country!
Am I wrong? Maybe I want too badly for Simeon to be a success in Bulgaria.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 19, 2005, 08:06:09 PM
I think the argument is that he did not prosper with the country, he did so at the expense of the country.  That is a major difference. Also, he had returned to him private family property, so why  give him state property as well ? All of this was also without tax obligation.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 19, 2005, 08:13:00 PM
Too bad! I sure wished he was "clever-&-clean" at the same time. But you Robert, what do you think, isn't this a "survival" method? ;) ;D
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 19, 2005, 08:20:18 PM
Well, I go by what my friends in Bulgaria tell me.  At first, they [and I] were very supportive and hopeful.  Now, that is far from the case.  Although I am not as angry with him, after all, I do not live there, do not pay Bulgarian taxes nor see my health care vanish.
Survival ? For whom ? Simeon was not a pauper when he returned to the country. There is a definite line bewteen survival and greed.
Now he is making a coallition government  difficult to form, holding out for more.  This does not look to me as being totally comitted to the welfare of the country and the people.
Like I said, these are just my opinions based on those of my friends and the decidedly  vanilla news that comes from the internet.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 19, 2005, 08:31:42 PM
When I said "survival" I was thinking about your opinion on Carol II:

Yep, Carol II was user, they all were. It is called survival.  In my opinion, they great fault of the Balkan [Bulgaria & Romania] monarchies was that they did not adapt to the politics of their adopted countries. They essentially remained German in outlook and upbringing. They were placed on these thrones by non-native influences,

Wasn't Carol II also thinking more of his welfare than his life?

[I think that in the case of Romania the H. dynasty was a success even if it was imported.]
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 19, 2005, 08:47:34 PM
Ok, but Carol has is own thread. I will say that I dissagree about any of the imported dynasties being a success though.  As an alternative to the brutal Turkish rule they were definitely welcome but I think they should be looked at as strictly transitory, until the people could come up with their own native solutions to rule. Without the wars and the Soviet influence for so many years, perhaps that could have been achieved much more calmy. I believe they [the monarchies] would still have been abolished eventually and peacefully [?].
Carol II was no exemplar of good rule, judgement or self-sacrifice. He was definitely a "survivor" and ended up having the "last laugh" in many ways. I think he was trying to "survive" since a child.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 19, 2005, 08:56:24 PM
For me Bulgaria, Romania without soviet tanks would have been like the "small" European monarchies Belgium, Denmark, etc. and there would have been no internal struggle against them.
Sure there is the case of Greece but you mustn't forget that in Greece socialism and communism were -and still are- popular [because of the fascist invasion and the military dictatorship].
Maybe only Serbia would have done as Greece.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 19, 2005, 09:30:46 PM
I cannot say much about the situation in Romania as the only books I have read are definitely one-sided, i.e. pro monarchy.
However, I am familiar with several versions of Bulgarian history. Socialism and communism were [and still are] long established political forces. Long before the wars and the Soviets. I do not think the "royal" families had quite the hold on the native population that the  monarchies you cite. Those have  a common heritage going back hundreds of years. If not the family itself, at least the institution. And even in some of those cases, continuation is not necessarily a certaintity.
I understand and respect what you say, and am just trying to give you an alternate outlook.
Cheers,
Robert
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 19, 2005, 10:18:11 PM
I need such outlook, thank you!


In Romania before 1945 the socialist party was very small and the communists were something like 300 in the records of the police at that time. [maybe because the industry wasn't developed enough]
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 19, 2005, 10:26:57 PM
You should consider that "police records" always downplay numbers to their own advantage.  They would not want to show their ineffectiveness, nor any serious opposition to the regime that keeps them in business. The "keeping the threat under control" position.
In Bulgaria, Boris  had no real idea that the "revolutionary" element was so powerful and effective until someone almost blew him up !
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 19, 2005, 10:41:40 PM
[in my opinion] This could have never happened in Romania. The left people were "really" not that important. You can see this in the fact that Romanian gulag system was much larger than in other eastern conquered countries, the whole society was seen as an enemy not just the [political-military-economic] leaders. I think Romanians saw too much of a threat in the Soviets [and also in Tsarist Russia before that –see the Moldavia problem]. On the other hand, unfortunately, the extreme right was popular. :-/
No left movement, sorry!

[sorry for the digression; now back to Simeon]
So what do you think will happen with Simeon's political adventure now?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on July 22, 2005, 06:06:17 AM
Simeon has just declared that his party will not take part in the coalition between the Socialists and the ethnic Turkish MRF party.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Iskenderbey on July 24, 2005, 04:12:46 PM
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Sure there is the case of Greece but you mustn't forget that in Greece socialism and communism were -and still are- popular [because of the fascist invasion and the military dictatorship].
Maybe only Serbia would have done as Greece.



Incorrect.  Communism was never is not, a popular force within Greece.  The Civil War was similar to other east european conflicts after WWII, a minority taking by force of arms power over a majority.
The fact that it never has received more than 10% of the vote in elections can attest to that.

Socialism, as distinct with communism, has been a strong force within Greece, but only more so after the military dictatorship, which discredited the right.  Most of the votes that the Socialists received were from centrists who moved to the Socialist party after the fall of the junta, as the pre-Junta centrist party disintegrated after the fall of the Junta, and these centrists saw the socialists as more in line with their own positions.
Even today, most voters are and remain very centrist in political thinking.

Regards
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 25, 2005, 11:42:22 AM
Iskenderbey
I have only a very unclear birds-eye-view of Greek politics in the XX century. Thank you for this explanation!
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 25, 2005, 11:38:40 PM
Looks like not only Simeon, but his party as well has been jettisoned from the coaloition.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on July 28, 2005, 08:20:23 AM
Simeon got a new lease of life today as the Socialists failed to win Parliament's approval of their draft cabinet and decided to return their mandate to President Purvanov. Now Simeon will get his mandate tomorrow and will try to form a new coalition with the right-wing parties.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 28, 2005, 09:40:20 AM
I hope he will be able to form a stable cabinet. Is that likely?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on July 29, 2005, 10:58:30 AM
He said today he wouldn't run for PM although his party is getting the mandate. There will be a new round of horse trading until next weekend.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on July 30, 2005, 11:05:49 AM
King Simeon has always been quite approachable with me.  I had a standing invitation to visit him in sofia, but I never followed through with it.

In Vienna in 2002 for the celebrations of Archduke Otto's 90th birthday King Simen introduced me to some people saying that I was THE Saxe-Coburg & Gotha dynasty's historian, which filled me with great honor.  Well after all I have researched the history of this family for almost two decades now.

Anyhow, during that weekend in Vienna I told the King that with all due respect my opinion was that he had made a huge mistake by becoming embroiled in Bulgarian politics.  My feeling about it has always been that he should have remained above politics and develop for himself a role similar to that so artfully played by Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia in Belgrade.  King Simeon's reply was that he felt he needed to help any which way he could and given the opportunity to steer the country to a better future he could not back out.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Elisabeth on August 01, 2005, 06:58:56 AM
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Anyhow, during that weekend in Vienna I told the King that with all due respect my opinion was that he had made a huge mistake by becoming embroiled in Bulgarian politics.  My feeling about it has always been that he should have remained above politics and develop for himself a role similar to that so artfully played by Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia in Belgrade.  King Simeon's reply was that he felt he needed to help any which way he could and given the opportunity to steer the country to a better future he could not back out.


Well, I don't question the altruistic motives of Simeon II in returning to the battleground of Bulgarian politics, but it wasn't entirely a self-sacrificial move on his part - he got back most of the royal properties that had been confiscated under the Communists, and even some properties that are still under dispute (whether they were originally crown property or not remains unclear). But I have to hand it to him as a statesman. At this point he seems to have out-foxed them all.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 01, 2005, 09:55:46 AM
If Simeon intends to keep and enhance those estates, if he treats them "royally", then it will be good for the country as well!

I make a link between royalty [who in principle is "always-there"] and sustainable development. If the Balkan royals [Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania] will be clever enough to pursue this link they will make a great contribution to their countries and families future! For me sustainable development and genetics will ensure that the role of royalty in Europe will grow again. Maybe the golden age of royalty is still ahead! Think about it!
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on August 07, 2005, 03:31:25 AM
Simeon suffered a public humiliation at the hands of the Socialists. After a round of closed negotiations,  Mr. Stanishev set him a letter asking him to answer a set of 12 questions. Simeon duly answered. The Socialists stated that they liked only two answers, and de facto said no to further negotiations in order to fulfill the NMSII mandate. Now Simeon has to tell the President that he cannot form a government... According to the Bulgarian Constitution, ther is only one more mandate in order to form a cabinet. If that one should fail, too, then new elections have to be called. The Socialists, however, now have the support not only of the MRF ethnic Turkish party but also of most of the Bulgarian National Union coalition. It is a ragtag company which commands only 12 MPs but that will be enough for a stable majority.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 07, 2005, 07:17:33 PM
What a situation! Is this artificial, has anyone to benefit from it, or is it something unexpected to all?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 07, 2005, 07:51:25 PM
I do not think it was really unexpected, as the factions are so distant from each other on so many issues. I do think it was hoped that this scenario could have been avoided though.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 07, 2005, 08:01:23 PM
So back to new elections? :P
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on August 08, 2005, 11:28:39 AM
It's still possible to form a new quadripartite government. The Simeon party declared that they are willing to let the Socialists have one of theirs as a Prime Minister.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 08, 2005, 11:48:47 AM
This is so dramatic... it seems that whatever cabinet is formed it will be instable and tough decisions will be difficult to make.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on August 15, 2005, 11:30:19 AM
Alea jacta est! Simeon signed a coalition agreement with the Socialists and the ethnic Turkish MRF party (which is the nominal holder of the third, and last, mandate to form a government). The Prime Minister will be Sergey Stanishev, the Socialist leader. The ministerial posts will be split 8:5:3. Each party will have a Vice-Premier.
The coalition has 169 MPs out of a total of 240, so there will be no problem in getting a Parliament sanction.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 15, 2005, 11:59:04 AM
I hope it will be a stable cabinet!
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on August 17, 2005, 10:23:32 AM
Simeon Saxe-Coburg and Gotha was Prime Minister of Bulgaria from 24 July 2001 to 16 August 2005.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: morgaine on September 09, 2005, 06:29:06 AM
I want to correct something. Albania is certainly not the only muslim country in the balkan area. Bosnia also used to be a Muslim country. Allthough a lot of Muslims had to flee in the war. Now bosnia is seperated into the republic of srpska (inhabitants are mostly orthodox serbs) and federation of bosnia wich is still mainly muslim. In Sarajevo there are still a lot of mosques and to my opinion Islam is very much alive there.

Bulgaria is definetly more slavic than Romania. Romania is also a Romanic language, but with some small slavic influences. But I think these influences are quite new in the language and mainly because the neighbouring countries bulgaria, moldavia and ukraine.
Bulgaria is a slavic language, and also written in Cyrillic.

Nowadays, both countries are extremely poor, especially Romania. I experienced Bulgaria to be more slavic, but also more balkan. They have more balkan food there. It's difficult to explain, but Romania is just totally different. Romanian culture is definetly less slavic and less Balkan.
Bulgarian culture could be seen as a mixture of slavic culture and balkan culture.

I volunteered in both countries and this is just what ressembles my experiences. Romania is a beatiful country, but very poor.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Frederika on September 09, 2005, 12:19:40 PM
Romanian is a language that is more related to Italian Bulgarian is closley related to russian. There is no such language as Moldovian as Moldova is a part of romania that was annexed by the USSR and now has independance
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on September 11, 2005, 10:59:55 AM
The Bulgarian language is Slavic but it is in a class of its own. It has no inflexions (cases) and boasts an article.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: TampaBay on September 12, 2005, 09:53:34 AM
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The Bulgarian language is Slavic but it is in a class of its own. It has no inflexions (cases) and boasts an article.


What do you by "no cases" and an "article".

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: gleb on September 12, 2005, 12:26:50 PM
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Hello guys,

I read that you discussed the death of Tsar Boris III.
Here is something that I read. One hypothesis is that Tsar Boris III was poisoned by Mafalda Maria Elisabetta of Savoy, sister of Tsarina Giovanna.
What I read was that she arrived from Rome to Sofia with train a few days before Tsar Boris III death. Her husband von Hesse Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel was arrested by Hitler. In order to save her husband and children she was ordered to poison the Bulgarian monarch.
Personally I do not believe of that. However, this theory exists and I wanted to share it.


PLEASE!!



I am filled with indignation, how can they even think a thing like this, it's impossible.

Poor dear Mafalda, she suffered so much and there are also thiese theories!

first:

Mafalda went to Bucarest only AFTER Ferdinad's death

second

Giovanna was Mafalda's dearest sister

third

She did not know her husband was basically under arrest.

Princess Mafalda was such a marvellious creature she could not even imagine a thing like this.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on October 10, 2005, 08:11:11 AM
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1076126614&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1076126619&str...
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on October 16, 2005, 06:24:09 AM
Simeon was re-elected as leader of the eponymous National Movement. He asked his followers to find another name of the party till New Year. There are many speculations (some very funny) about possible names preserving the NDSV acronym.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on November 07, 2005, 09:04:48 AM
The last time I met with King Simeon in Viena in November 2002 I expresed to him my deep admiration, but also deep concern for the image of the royal family once he became involved in politics.  We had a long chat, deep conversatin about politics and it reassured my thoghts on him, a brilliant man who would have made a great monarch!

We agree on this one Marina!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marina Cummings on November 07, 2005, 04:20:17 PM
Mr Beeche,

I am very pleased that we agree!  However.... King Simeon can STILL be a great monarch!  (or president to start with)  As they say, anything can happen in the Balkans! Let's hope and let's believe!

Marina
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on November 07, 2005, 05:34:41 PM
The problem here is that now he has political baggage.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Iskenderbey on November 08, 2005, 10:14:04 AM
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The problem here is that now he has political baggage.

Arturo Beéche


Well at least when he leaves this earth, hopefully not any time, he will be remembered for doing something positive for his nation, in bringing in a new era for Bulgaria and Bulgarian politics, shaking the good old boy politicians, and forcing them to actually start working towards the improvement of Bulgaria.  His four years in power may not have overwhelmingly improved the Bulgarian economy, but it began the reforms that should have started in 1989, and set Bulgaria on the road to prosperity.  At least his 4 year legacy can actually be said to have done something, compared to the previous 13 years combined.
How many people in the political world can claim that?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on November 29, 2005, 07:19:59 PM
The announcement that Simeon will run for the presidency seems to have been met with less than universal enthusiasm.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 29, 2005, 07:30:44 PM
when will the elections take place?

is he supported only by his party or a coalition?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on November 30, 2005, 06:51:46 AM
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when will the elections take place?

is he supported only by his party or a coalition?


The last election was in November 2001.

This election will be in ether October, November or December 2006.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on December 04, 2005, 06:22:58 AM
On Saturday, Simeon was a guest of honour at the BSP congress. He extolled the extent to which the Socialist Party had reformed, by underlining that 15 years ago it wouldn't have invited him, and he probably wouldn't have accepted such an invitation... He was greeted with the applause of the hall filled with some 700 delegates.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on December 20, 2005, 08:38:22 PM
(http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/8967/84917584vd.jpg)

Outgoing Prime Minister Simeon Saxcoburggotski, right, welcomes newly elected Bulgarian Socialist Prime Minister Sergey Stanishev during the official ceremony of transfer into power of the new government Wednesday, Aug. 17, 2005 in Sofia, Bulgaria. Bulgaria's parliament ended a post-election deadlock on Tuesday by voting in a centre-left government that pledged to tackle reforms for timely EU entry and improve the poor Balkan state's living standards. (AP Photo/Dimitar Deinov)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on December 20, 2005, 08:45:27 PM
(http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/2160/10242702cl.jpg)

Bulgarian King Simeon and his wife Margarita pay their respects at the grave of the former Bulgarian King Boris, the father of King Simeon, on Tuesday, May 28, 1996 in Rila monastery, some 100 km South of Sofia. Simeon arrived Bulgaria last Saturday for the first visit to his home country since he was forced to leave by the Communist rulers 50 years ago. (AP Photo/Dimitar Deinov
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on December 20, 2005, 08:47:07 PM
(http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/4529/10177499sc.jpg)

Bulgarian King Simeon, top left, spreads his arms to greet people gathered to welcome him upon his arrival at Sofia airport Saturday, May 25, 1996. It is his first visit to Bulgaria since he was forced to leave the country 50 years ago at age 9 by his nation's Communist rulers. As an economic crisis erodes support for Bulgaria s democratic rulers, former King Simeon returned to his homeland Saturday to test the waters for a possible run for the presidency. (AP Photo/Dimitar Deinov)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on December 20, 2005, 08:49:52 PM
(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/3487/58975729aj.jpg)

Bulgaria's former King Simeon II talks to the media in front of the president's office in downtown Sofia Friday, June 22, 2001. Simeon met Friday with Bulgaria's president, but remained silent on whether he would follow his party's election win by also becoming the country's prime minister. (AP Photo/Dimitar Deinov)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on December 20, 2005, 08:51:54 PM
(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/679/80380960uo.jpg)

Bulgaria's Prime Minister Simeon Saxe-Coburg, right, and Bulgaria's President Georgi Parvanov, left, sign an agreement with the EU at the Neumuenster Abbey in Luxembourg, Monday April 25, 2005. Man standing at left is Bulgaria's Foreign Minister Solomon Passy, at right is European Affairs Minister Meglena Kuneva. Romania and Bulgaria signed agreements with the European Union sealing their entry into the 25-nation club. They would join the EU in 2007, or later if they don't complete a significant list of political and economic reforms.(AP Photo/Nicolas Bouvy)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on December 20, 2005, 08:53:49 PM
(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/3165/82652674py.jpg)

Prime Minister Simeon Saxcoburggotski, left, who is the former monarch of Bulgaria, is welcomed by supporters as he arrives at the final rally of his NDSV-National Movement Simeon II, Tuesday June 21 2005 in downtown Sofia. The opposition Socialist Party is leading opinion polls ahead of the June 25 general election. (AP Photo / Srdjan Ilic)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on December 20, 2005, 08:55:03 PM
(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5962/82790558ly.jpg)

The name of Bulgaria's ultranationalist party ATAKA (Attack) is written on the poster showing Bulgarian former monarch and current prime minister Simeon Saxcoburggotski, Friday June 24, 2005 in outskirt of Sofia. The opposition Socialist Party is leading opinion polls day ahead of the June 25 general election and is likely to defeat Saxcoburggotski. (AP Photo/Srdjan Ilic)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on December 20, 2005, 08:55:55 PM
(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/9670/82688141mp.jpg)

Two girls pass by election posters showing Bulgaria's former monarch and current prime minister Simeon Saxcoburggotski, Wednesday June 22, 2005 in Sofia. The opposition Socialist Party is leading opinion polls ahead of the June 25 general election. (AP Photo / Srdjan Ilic)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on December 20, 2005, 08:58:16 PM
(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/570/84892753yb.jpg)

Outgoing Prime Minister Simeon Saxcoburggotski, left, greets the newly elected Prime Minister Sergei Stanishev Tuesday, Aug. 16, 2005 in Sofia, Bulgaria. Bulgaria's parliament ended a post-election deadlock by voting in a centre-left government that pledged to tackle reforms for timely EU entry and improve the poor Balkan state's living standards. (AP Photo/Ivan Stoimenov)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on December 30, 2005, 03:17:34 PM
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(http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/2160/10242702cl.jpg)

Bulgarian King Simeon and his wife Margarita pay their respects at the grave of the former Bulgarian King Boris, the father of King Simeon, on Tuesday, May 28, 1996 in Rila monastery, some 100 km South of Sofia. Simeon arrived Bulgaria last Saturday for the first visit to his home country since he was forced to leave by the Communist rulers 50 years ago. (AP Photo/Dimitar Deinov


I love this picture. I just wish that Tsarina Ioanna was also buried in Bulgaria. It would be nice if the graves of Boris III and Ioanna were next to eachother and not in different countries.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on April 22, 2006, 07:14:39 PM
Tsar Simeon II and Tsaritsa Margarita in Spain. Behind them you can see an incredible painting of Tsaritsa Ioanna.

(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9522/1961100020a9uk.jpg)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on April 23, 2006, 03:10:34 PM
It seems to a beautiful portrait...I wonder who are the other two persons in the portraits?Maybe they are also connected with the family?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: gleb on April 24, 2006, 12:05:47 PM
The man is Carlo Emanuele IV di SAVOIA.
Here in Italy there are several portraits like that one.

Surely it was part of Tsarritsa Giovanna's inheritance.
Gleb
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Nadezhda Edvardovna on September 29, 2006, 10:16:51 AM
According to an article at GalleonPoint, ex-king Simeon of Bulgaria has been fighting corruption in the Bulgarian government, and has acheived some success.  I just wanted to call attention to his accomplishment because it is so hard to transform a corrupt government into an honest one and because it is so important to do so.  It is the kind of change that is very hard to make and takes a very long time, but will have incalculable benefits in the long term.  So hurray for ex-king Simeon!  He's acting in the very best tradition of kingship, serving his people in whatever capacity he can.  He may not have a royal title anymore, but he is clearly a very noble man.



Pax, N.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Vladislava on December 22, 2006, 11:21:24 AM
Hello everyone! I am from Bulgaria.

Tzar Simeon II is an amazing person, (who I have the happiness to know personally). He is a fascinating person and being a prime minister for 4 years he did more than anybody before. He improved the economy, attracted foreign investments, broadened Bulgaria's international contacts and decreased the unemployment.  On the 1st of January Bulgaria will become a member of the European Union again thanks to him. However, through his appearance in the politic life, he destroyed the nice life of the Bulgarian politics, which made them do repulsive things against him.

I can show you a picture of him but I don't know how. So help me if you want and write how to do that. If someone needs more information about him, I'd be glad to provide it.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: palimpsest on December 23, 2006, 02:12:13 PM
Welcome Vladislava!

there are some tips on how to post images

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,6350.0.html

I use this one to upload images
http://photobucket.com/
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 04, 2007, 09:20:18 PM
Thanks !  ;)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marlene on January 05, 2007, 11:46:31 AM
Eric,  is it all that necessary to provide one word posts in responses - indeed, do you need to respond to just about every post on the board.

Thanks !  ;)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2007, 07:56:49 PM
Not always dear Marlene !

Just like to thank those who taken enough trouble to post lovely images for us to enjoy.

Hope that is alright,

Eric

P.S. love your article on Alexandra of Fife in Majesty, didn't know that she even published ?  ???
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on February 26, 2007, 01:58:25 AM
It will be the first Royal birth in 70 years in Bulgaria (the last being King Simeon,1937)as Princess Kalina has decided the baby will be born
at the Tokuda hospital,Sofia.

There's a date mentioned,march 12th,pointing at a ceasarian.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on March 15, 2007, 01:22:12 AM
Princess Kalina gave birth to a boy yesterday:

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=77868

Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on March 15, 2007, 03:11:05 PM
Princess Kalina gave birth to a boy yesterday:

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=77868

The newborn will be named after his maternal grandfather:Simeon.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on April 03, 2007, 01:54:56 AM
The full name of the baby is Simeon III Hassan Munoz Saxe-Coburg. Hassan is after the deceased King of Morocco who was a close friend of the baby's grandfather.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on June 17, 2007, 03:24:41 AM
You can see it in the family picture of Simeon's kin on the occasion of his 70th birtday (Sofia, Saturday, June 16).
See http://news.ibox.bg/news/id_390105820.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 17, 2007, 04:29:25 AM
Simeon III? That is a bit premature, is it not?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on June 18, 2007, 06:37:45 AM
Simeon III? That is a bit premature, is it not?

It is Robert.King Simeon II just celebrated his 70th birthday yesterday.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=81927
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on September 02, 2007, 03:10:05 AM
Prince Kardam and Princess Mririam of Tirnovo.
http://www.ppe-agency.com/preview.php?start=0&id=16393&zoektype-2&search=01-09-2007%20Apeldoorn

Prince Kyril and Princess Rosario of Preslav.
http://www.ppe-agency.com/preview.php?start=15&id=16359&zoektype=2&search=01-09-2007%20Apeldoorn

courtesy PPE/Nieboer
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: tecklenburg on June 01, 2008, 06:34:22 AM
Hello

I'd like to know who are godparents of princes & princesses of Bulgaria, children & grandchildren of HM King Simeon II. I believe they must be very prestigious. Maybe their greek and spanish friends ?
Are grandchildren of HM the King of Bulgaria Royal Highnesses too?

I already know that Prince Umberto has HM Queen Margarita as  godmother whereas his twin sister Princess Sofia has HRH Prince of Asturias as godfather.

Someone knows?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Prince_Christopher on June 01, 2008, 03:20:32 PM
Are grandchildren of HM the King of Bulgaria Royal Highnesses too?

I already know that Prince Umberto has HM Queen Margarita as  godmother whereas his twin sister Princess Sofia has HRH Prince of Asturias as godfather.


According to Wikipedia:

*Konstantin-Assen's daughter Sofia has Prince of the Asturias as a godfather, and Infanta Sofia has Konstantin-Assen as her godfather.

*Kubrat is godfather to one of Infanta Christina's children.

*Kalina's son Simeon has Princess Irene of Greece and Denmark and King Mohammed VI of Morocco as godparents.

*With the obvious exception of Kalina's son, all of the grandchilden are listed as HRH.

*Obviously they are very close to the Spanish royal family.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: tecklenburg on June 02, 2008, 01:43:21 AM
Hi !

thanks :)

HRH Prince Kubrat was godfather of HRH Infanta Sofia
HRH Prince of Tirnovo is one of the godfathers of HRH Prince Achileas Andreas of Greece & Denmark  (Nettyroyal)
HRH Princess of Preslav is godmother of HH Prince Sverre Magnus of Norway
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on July 02, 2008, 10:28:51 AM
Hello,

I am new on this Board.

We do not know much about her except that she is a Spanish aristocrat. Does she speak Bulgarian? What has been her role in her husband's political career? Is she the patron of some charities in Bulgaria? Has she had a career of her own except being a full-time mother and wife of a prominent politician?

I read Crown of thorns by Groueff. King Boris' life was very tragic and fascinating.

Thanks
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Yseult on July 02, 2008, 12:59:56 PM
Yolande, a picture of Margarita which was taken the day she was married to Simeon...

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Gallaeciafulget/Margaritawedding.jpg)

Funny enough: in Spain, the information and pics of their wedding were censored. The Franco´s Regime was not happy about the marriage of Margarita, catholic, with a king without throne who was ortodox.

Margarita was one year old when her parents were killed. Her father was son of a marquis and also a very wealthy man, with a good career as banker. Her mother was from aristocracy too. The couple was killed for spanish comunist, during the bloody years of the Civil War. With her brother, elder than herself, Margarita was raised by her grandmother. She received a good upbringing and education, but she was a young heiress and she needed not a career of her own...Later, she married Simeon, who was lucky enough to caught the eye of the perfect lady with a great amount of money ;) Margarita has been a traditional woman, supporting her husband and raising their children.

I don´t know if she speaks bulgarian now. When she was married to Simeon, it was out of question to learn bulgarian. They were settled in Spain and the Iron Curtain was a real thing, no one could imagine someday Bulgaria would become a democratic nation among all the democratics european nations...Simeon and Margarita agreed their sons didn´t need to learn bulgarian when they were children or young boys. Maybe right now they had learned bulgarian...specially the "heir of the dinasty" and, pretty sure, the only girl, who is daddy´s favourite. But I have my doubts about Margarita studying bulgarian language...
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on July 02, 2008, 10:47:18 PM
Margarita does speak Bulgarian. I heard her answer a question by the Bulgarian press in 2001 on the eve of Simeon II election victory. The question was asked just once in Bulgarian and she replied as if she had spoken the language her whole life. The funny thing is that Margarita actually speaks better Bulgarian then Simeon II.

As far as the children goes I have read that Kyril and Kalina know Bulgarian. I read that during one of his trips to Bulgaria Kyril attended a forum where he did not use a translator. He was able to manage on his own. Kalina speak in Bulgarian to her son - Simeon Hassan. Kalina also offered to teach her husband Bulgarian, but he refused and said he would learn it on his own. I do not know about the other sons or their wives.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on July 03, 2008, 04:35:03 AM
How interesting...Why was regime against this mariage?She was not from the royal family and luckily for her free to chose a husband...Why would regime want to control her?Any reason or did they have some other plans for her marriage?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Yseult on July 03, 2008, 10:27:03 AM
Boyar, glad to know she´s been fluent in bulgarian ;) But I still suppose she did begin to learn bulgarian after the fall of the Iron Curtain ;)

Marc, Spain was, officially, an absolutely catholic country, "the safeguard of true faith and moral in Europe". And Simeon was ortodox. The newspapers published she was married with a picture of the bride without the groom for this reason.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on July 03, 2008, 12:49:42 PM
Thank you so much for the information. I have a collection of pictures of the Royal Family. We do not know much about them. They are very discreet. I am glad to see Q. Margarita speaks Bulgarian fluently. I am also surprised to read that she speaks Bulgarian much better than the King. I stiill wonder how they met, and I am very surprised  that the very strict Giovanna approved of her. I read in one of late the Count of Paris' biography that she wanted her son to marry Anne of Orleans, daughter of the Count Henri of paris and current wife of Infante Carlos of Calabria.

Thank you so much for sharing the information.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Norbert on July 03, 2008, 04:56:49 PM
She is grand daughter of 3 Marquess  de Cortina  and sister of Marquess de Valcabro
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: José on July 03, 2008, 06:50:43 PM
... and a cousin of the late Luis Gomez-Acebo, who married Infanta Pilar
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on July 04, 2008, 06:07:30 AM
And two of her sons married women of noble ancestry:

Maria Garcia de la Rasilla y Gortazar is the grand-daughter of the 8th Conde de Superunda...

and

Rosario Nadal y Fuster-Puigdorfila is the grand-daughter of 10th Conde de Olocau and through him is a descedant of the families such as:Dukes of Abrantes(and through them Royal House of Portugal),Dukes of Aveiro,Dukes of de Linhares,Dukes of Coimbra,Alvarez de Toledo,Dukes Gonzaga di Solferino through them is a descendant of Duke Alfonso I d'Este of Modena and Princess Isabella of Savoy and through them descedant of other royal houses like Habsburg,Medici(Catherine Medici),Valois etc.

Yet,don't know about two other girls...if someone have information of their ancestry it would be interesting!
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Norbert on July 04, 2008, 10:28:19 AM
and an interesting descent from Montezuma II
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Norbert on July 04, 2008, 10:40:48 AM
so, if 3 Marquess Cortina had 2 sons: Manuel father of the Queen and Jaime father in law of Infanta Pilar, Who is the present Marquess Cortina and why didn't Luis succeed his mother as Ct of Deleitosa ?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on July 08, 2008, 01:16:31 PM
Please take a look at the link. Q. Margarita signed her name in Bulgarian in 1963. I believe that she must have had some knowledge of the Bulgarian language at that time. By the way, I am lookking for a good biography of K. Simeon in French or English, please provide me with the information and where I can buy it on the web. Thank you to all of you for sharing the information with us.

Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Yseult on July 08, 2008, 02:17:56 PM
Well, Yolande...it´s easy to sign in another alphabet, you only must to repeat the same types a few times to learn. A century ago, my grand-grand-parents weren´t able to read neither to writte, but they learned to sign their names ;)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on July 08, 2008, 08:52:51 PM
Yseult,

Thank you so much.Please find attached a moving lnk on K. Simeon and Q. Margarita, their very first trip to Bulgaria.

http://www.aparchive.com/OneUp.aspx?st=shwc&id=75041&showact=results&sort=creationdatelower%3Areversealphabetical&xslt=1&sh=1180&kwstyle=and&dbm=VArchive&adte=1215568043&ish=x&dah=0&pagez=20&nextdah=&rids=1a5539a5c916a18e0867726c83571054&page=1&dispname=X01291%2C%20European%20Royalty%20Clipreel%3A%20Part%2025
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on July 14, 2008, 09:14:15 AM
Has anybody read this biography? Do you know if there is an English version of it? Have you learnt new things about him and his family. I am impressed with what he has done: going back to Bulgaria after fifty years and being elected Prime Minister. What a deed! Moreover, he never sounds angry at the Communists who killed his uncle and ousted him.

Are his children involved in Bulgarian poltics too? I know his son Kyril has some firends of his who are members of the cabinet. Kyril is also a member of a Bulgarian selective club in London. K. Simpen's sister is the Vice President of the Bulgarian Red Cross and on the Board of Directors of the American University in Sofia.

http://www.ndsv.bg/galleries/341/342.html

Thank you for your reply.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on July 16, 2008, 08:27:26 AM

Could any of of Bulgarian posters give us a clear explanation of this article? The automatic translation is very poor.

Thanks

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=bg&u=http://www.temanews.com/index.php%3Fp%3Dtema%26iid%3D373%26aid%3D8985&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25D0%259C%25D0%25B0%25D1%2580%25D0%25B3%25D0%25B0%25D1%2580%25D0%25B8%25D1%2582%25D0%25B0%2B%25D0%2593%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B5%25D1%2581-%25D0%2590%25D1%2581%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B1%25D0%25BE%2B%25D0%25B8%2B%25D0%25A1%25D0%25B5%25D1%2585%25D1%2583%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B0%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on August 04, 2008, 09:54:12 AM
A documentary on the life of the last king will be shot by a German TV

http://paper.standartnews.com/en/article.php?d=2008-08-04&article=24723
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on August 16, 2008, 03:44:14 PM
The Prince underwent surgery and at present is sedated (artificial coma).

HM Queen Margarita and her sons Princes Konstantin,Kubrat and Kyril visited their son and brother:

http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20080816elpepunac_1/XLCO/Ies/20080816elpepunac_1.jpg

http://www.hola.com/casasreales/2008/08/15/kardam-accidente/imgs/kardam1-a.jpg



Courtesy Manuel H. de Leon.

Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on August 17, 2008, 04:28:24 AM
King Simeon is still with his son at the hospital.A statement will be issued at noon.That is just over halve an hour from now.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: geoff777 on August 17, 2008, 08:40:38 AM
More here on the Gibraltar News Site (English)

Gibraltar News: Prince Kardam of Bulgaria and his wife in Madrid Car Crash (http://www.the-rock-of-gibraltar.com/Spanish-News/757/prince-kardam-of-bulgaria-and-his-wife-in-madrid-car-crash)

Praying he's going to recover.

Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on August 17, 2008, 09:43:39 AM
I read on the royal forums Board that he was doing much better and that he lost two fingers. All my prayers and thoughts are for Kardam's and Miriam's full recovery. The whole Bulgarian royal family is at the hospital, praying for Kardam. Miriam only broke her wrist.

Thank you for all your posts.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on August 20, 2008, 02:51:21 AM
The vital signs and the breathing of the Prince are improving,thank goodness,after suffering a brain scull trauma and multiple fractures in both hands which have been immobilised by the doctors.He isl sedated but stable.

The Princess is stable as well
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on August 20, 2008, 01:30:20 PM
How is the news covered in Bulgaria? Is the royal family famous and popular in Bulgaria? I went to Spain and they ar often featured in Hola especially Carla and Rosario. Have people been sending flowers or calling the King's press center?


Thanks

Yolande
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Svetabel on August 21, 2008, 12:28:42 AM
How is the news covered in Bulgaria? Is the royal family famous and popular in Bulgaria? I

Many comments on the Bulgarian sites about the Simeon family are not flattering at all. Of course only Bulgarians can say exactly what they think about their former King though the comments in Internet are not a highly reliable source.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on August 22, 2008, 04:30:14 AM
How is the news covered in Bulgaria? Is the royal family famous and popular in Bulgaria? I

Many comments on the Bulgarian sites about the Simeon family are not flattering at all. Of course only Bulgarians can say exactly what they think about their former King though the comments in Internet are not a highly reliable source.

It is a certain breed that posts there,one who thinks freedom of speech is all about abuse of that freedom.

More on the accident on Royalblog.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2008/08/reports-kardam.html

courtesy HJA.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on August 22, 2008, 08:20:50 AM
Prince Felope visited Kardam

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=96343
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on August 24, 2008, 02:16:43 AM
How is the news covered in Bulgaria? Is the royal family famous and popular in Bulgaria? I

Many comments on the Bulgarian sites about the Simeon family are not flattering at all. Of course only Bulgarians can say exactly what they think about their former King though the comments in Internet are not a highly reliable source.

Nor are most bulgarians,a corruption infested land,ousted from further hundreds of millions of Euro's subsidies by the EU because of it.
......
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Norbert on August 26, 2008, 09:04:09 AM
The King was very brave to enter the political arena . Bulgaria with half a century of a brutal dictaitorship will always be poisoned chalice eh?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on August 29, 2008, 08:57:33 AM
Sadly,the condition of HRH Prince Kardam is deteriorating and the Royal Family fears for his life.
Hope and pray for a change for the better still.

Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marlene on August 31, 2008, 11:57:18 PM
Kardam was never put into an induced coma - he has been in a natural coma since the accident.  But the family will not release further information unless his condition changes.

Sadly,the condition of HRH Prince Kardam is deteriorating and the Royal Family fears for his life.
Hope and pray for a change for the better still.


Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on September 03, 2008, 02:21:04 PM
Miriam was released from hospital. She will pay a visit to her husband when the doctors will allow her to do so. I still pray for Kardam's full recovery.

Thank you to everybody for the update
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on September 11, 2008, 12:18:20 PM
God is great!

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=96896
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on September 11, 2008, 12:20:47 PM
Hello,

I've just got King Simeon's biography in English by Ivalyo Shafalov. The book is full of pictures from his birth until present. What a remarkable life and achievement! The book is worth reading. I paid 30 euros for it and the postage expenses. I got the Bulgarian and English version.

Yolande
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on September 12, 2008, 05:24:13 AM
Kardam was never put into an induced coma - he has been in a natural coma since the accident.  But the family will not release further information unless his condition changes.

Sadly,the condition of HRH Prince Kardam is deteriorating and the Royal Family fears for his life.
Hope and pray for a change for the better still.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2008/09/prince-kardam-t.html

Courtesy Royalblog.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on September 30, 2008, 07:55:53 AM
All,

Kardam is still in the coma. His wife Miriam and his mother Dona Margarita and his brother Konstantin annd sister in law Maria visit him everyday according to Hola. I don't know if his two young children have paid him a visit yet.

Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marlene on October 02, 2008, 04:05:15 PM
The prince was taken to a rehab-type center because the hospital was unable to do anything more.  Kardam could be in this condition for years with no change.  It is unlikely that the boys have seen their father. 

All,

Kardam is still in the coma. His wife Miriam and his mother Dona Margarita and his brother Konstantin annd sister in law Maria visit him everyday according to Hola. I don't know if his two young children have paid him a visit yet.


Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on October 04, 2008, 02:28:09 PM
Thank you for the update, Marlene.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on October 15, 2008, 10:29:43 AM
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2008/10/the-condition-o.html

Courtesy HJA´s Royalblog.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: yolande on November 17, 2008, 06:45:08 PM
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=98991

Kardam is out of the coma
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 16, 2008, 01:45:00 PM
Please take a look at the link. Q. Margarita signed her name in Bulgarian in 1963. I believe that she must have had some knowledge of the Bulgarian language at that time. By the way, I am lookking for a good biography of K. Simeon in French or English, please provide me with the information and where I can buy it on the web. Thank you to all of you for sharing the information with us.

Thanks

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/viewimage.x/00000000/buby55/66290.jpg?vvid=55068462&allow_mailing_list=1&allow_track_link=1&track=023a9930b2-bdc1a&sp=1&vsid=1&vgp=0&vimgs=66290.jpg,66290b.jpg

On the picture it says:
Eastern 1963 Madrid... There is taken the photo
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on March 19, 2009, 11:52:21 AM
The Official Web Site of the Bulgarian Royal Family

www.kingsimeon.bg (http://www.kingsimeon.bg)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on March 19, 2009, 04:14:59 PM
great,thank you!
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: royaltybuff on May 22, 2009, 09:42:49 AM
Prince Kardam says first words after coma.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=103839
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on October 12, 2009, 12:29:17 PM
TRH Prince Kyrill of Bulgaria,Prince of Preslav and Princess Rosaria,néé Nadal have announced their seperation today.
Recently the couple celebrated their 20th wedding anniversary.

The couple has three children:

Princess Mafalda-Cecilia,born in 1994

Princess Olimpia,born in 1995

Prince Tassilo,born in 2002.

Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on October 12, 2009, 10:54:18 PM
TRH Prince Kyrill of Bulgaria,Prince of Preslav and Princess Rosaria,néé Nadal have announced their seperation today.
Recently the couple celebrated their 20th wedding anniversary.

The couple has three children:

Princess Mafalda-Cecilia,born in 1994

Princess Olimpia,born in 1995

Prince Tassilo,born in 2002.



http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/10/bulgarias-prince-kiril-and-wife-to-seperate.html
courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: tecklenburg on October 27, 2009, 02:29:31 PM
Are there pictures of king Simeon's children in the 60's or 70's ?
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: tecklenburg on October 27, 2009, 02:34:47 PM
Who are the godparents of king Simeon's 5 children?
Maybe Infanta Pilar & Duque de Badajoz (Margarita's cousin) ?
Condes de Barcelona ?
King of Morocco? (I read that he was Simeon's friend)
King Umberto II of Italy ? (Simeon's uncle)
King Constantino II of Greece ?

Thanks a lot iif you have any info :)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 08, 2011, 09:06:33 AM
This is an amazing image of the greek crusier organized by Queen Frederica

In the middle a very young Simeon, surrounded by some well known royals :

From left to right : King Juan Carlos I, Vittorio Emmanuele di Savoia, Henri, the current count of Paris, Queen Beatrix of Netherlands and King Constantine II of Greece

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6879/93857930.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/i/93857930.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Antonina on March 14, 2012, 12:51:54 AM
The russian documentary about Simeon II made by an orthodox priest from my city:

http://www.ansobor.ru/news.php?news_id=2563
Title: HM Tsar Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on April 16, 2013, 08:02:49 AM
 :)HM Tsar Simeon turns 76 today!
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 16, 2013, 12:09:48 PM
Lucien, according Wikipedia he was born in Juny 16 of 1937 :-s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_Saxe-Coburg-Gotha
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Lucien on April 17, 2013, 10:06:35 AM
Lucien, according Wikipedia he was born in Juny 16 of 1937 :-s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

Oh OK,well....I just made sure he wasn't forgotten then...Grin...I'm pretty sure wicked wiki is off the mark...
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 18, 2013, 04:13:11 AM
Brother and sister dancing:

(http://s18.postimg.org/9nzo9ycdl/maria_luisa_dance.jpg)
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 19, 2013, 12:45:57 AM
Both looked a bit like their mother.
Title: Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 11, 2015, 09:37:08 AM
Sad news. Prince Kardam has passed away a few days ago - source (http://www.kingsimeon.bg/news/show/id/618).