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Title: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: cimbrio on February 26, 2005, 05:35:53 PM
I have a morbid interest in murdered royals. I know very little on Prince Kyrill, brother of Boris III who was regent for his nephew Simeon II and was finally executed by Communist forces in Sofia in 1945. Can anyone forward any information of his personal life, his political actions..anything?
Thanks
Daniel zu Castell
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: cimbrio on February 26, 2005, 06:47:38 PM
Any idea where he IS buried? I saw his brother's burial place, I guess his sisters are buried abroad, I think one married a Wurttemburg prince, and the other died a spinster. Any photo of Kyrill?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 26, 2005, 07:28:50 PM
Kyril's grave was desecrated. As was the king's.
His remains were "scattered".
Of the royal remains, only the King's heart was left hidden in a monastery. Queen Giovanna returned to Bulgaria to re-inter the heart memorial, after the fall of the Soviet regime and the destruction of the Zhivkov tomb in Sofia.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: cimbrio on February 26, 2005, 07:32:42 PM
The heart must contained in the tomb I saw (though it was big enough to house half the Bulgarian royals!)... I didn't know that his heart was the only bit that remained... does anyone know anything about his death? They say Hitler killed him.....
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 26, 2005, 07:58:39 PM
oops, try again..(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/BulgariaKyril2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: cimbrio on February 26, 2005, 08:03:26 PM
Thanks Robert!!! Very good photo!!!
Kyrill wasn't ad looking at all, I wonder if there was ever talk of marriage.....?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 26, 2005, 08:11:30 PM
There is a lot of gossip, but nothing  proved. My friends in Bulgaria study the former monarchy, but for political reasons and rarely come up with anything prinatble on a forum that is personal.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 27, 2005, 09:50:42 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/Bulgariaboris30001.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 27, 2005, 10:42:23 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/QueenKyril2.jpg)


Queen  Giovanna & Prince Regent Kyril
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: pablo on February 27, 2005, 10:53:55 AM

 Thanks Robert,

Very rares pictures.

Regards.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 27, 2005, 10:56:54 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/QueenEleanore.jpg)
Grave of Queen Eleanore
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: pablo on February 27, 2005, 11:30:26 AM

  Robert.

Did  Ferdinand stay at Boris's Funeral?

 Regards.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Jim1026 on February 27, 2005, 11:38:03 AM
I have always felt deep sympathy for her.  Tsar Ferdinand made it clear he wanted a second wife" who would not expect or receive affection."  How she was talked into it is beyond me.  She must have been desperate.  I think I read somewhere that Grand Duchess Maria Palovna the elder was involved in the arrangement.  It could be she felt her propects where so slim to start with that she jumped at the chance. :P
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on February 27, 2005, 12:45:55 PM
I think Maria Pavlovna's mother was born Princess Reuss(I have to chek)...I read she was very respected by the rest of the royal family!As far as Eleonore is conserned I would like so much to see any colour portrait of her,if someone has it,please post it!
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 27, 2005, 01:25:13 PM
Pablo, KIng Ferdinand did not come to the funeral.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 27, 2005, 02:53:04 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/FerdJubilee.jpg)Wonderful picture, GD. I have one quite similiar but it is in pretty bad shape.
Jubilee cards...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 27, 2005, 03:08:49 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/Eleanore.jpg)

Queen Eleanore of Bulgaria
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: pablo on February 27, 2005, 03:23:42 PM
  Pictures of Royal Family of Bulgaria at following link:

 
www.geh.org/fm/chusseau-flaviens/

Regards.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 28, 2005, 08:18:38 PM
Thank you. I am always after  the Bulgarian royals, they are  or were  easy to obtain in Bulgaria itself, until they discovered Ebay ! Friends still send them to me and I still buy them. Someday I should actually organize them as well.
[my favourites are of Alex. Battenberg]
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 01, 2005, 10:28:50 AM
Thank you, GD. I just blew the library budget for this month and it is only the 1st ! BUT, there are a couple I do not have already...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on March 01, 2005, 04:21:56 PM
Any good colour portrait of Eleonore?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on March 03, 2005, 11:42:39 AM
Maria Pavlovna Sr. was the daughter of Princess Auguste Reuß, whose elder brother, Prince Heinrich IV Reuß-Köstritz happened to be Eleonore's father...hence Maria Pavlovna Sr and Eleonore Reuß were first cousins.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on March 03, 2005, 12:18:49 PM
A poor victim of circumstances...both Kiril and Eudoxia were indefatigable in their support of their brother Boris III.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Jim1026 on March 03, 2005, 04:52:50 PM
In the thread on Kyrill of Bulgaria there is a picture of Queen Eleanor's grave.  I have heard that it was defiled by the communists and then restored in 1994-95 time frame.  Was her body left intact in the grave. I imagine that they were looking for valuables.  Also the way Boris III and Kyrill's bodies were treated I was just wondering  what became of her's.  Also Pss Maria Louise of Bourbon Parma Ferdinand's first wife.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 03, 2005, 05:09:23 PM
I was told the grave of Eleanore was NOT defiled. Ferdinand would not have buried any valuables with her- believe me.
It was untended and overgrown with weeds.
Kyril never had a proper grave. He was "dumped" in a pit with no markers at the back of the cemetary with the other victims.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Jim1026 on March 03, 2005, 05:26:46 PM
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I was told the grave of Eleanore was NOT defiled. Ferdinand would not have buried any valuables with her- believe me.
It was untended and overgrown with weeds.
Kyril never had a proper grave. He was "dumped" in a pit with no markers at the back of the cemetary with the other victims.
[/quote[

Thank you Robert for the clarification. :D :D
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 03, 2005, 06:54:37 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/Scan10023.jpg)

Memorial card for Maria Luisa Princess of Bulgaria.
[still looking for the memorial itself]
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 03, 2005, 08:05:58 PM
The Bulgarian Court 1893(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/BulgariaCourt.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 03, 2005, 08:08:23 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/BulgariaCourt1893.jpg)
The reverse of the photo. Not only is the script in Cyrilic it is in Bulgarian.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Jim1026 on March 04, 2005, 06:55:40 PM
I really wonder if Tsar Ferdinand attended Queen Eleanaor's funeral?  She seemed to only be a cover for his other antics he pulled.  I have never seen a picture of her happy.  Who could blame her. :-/  I remember reading an article in the NY Times on her death but it didn't say to much.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on April 14, 2005, 05:57:44 AM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/Bul.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on May 05, 2005, 08:07:03 PM
I would like to know much more about this Queen,born Princess of Bourbon-Parma and would also like to see if someone has some colour portrait of her?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on May 05, 2005, 08:08:18 PM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/Bulg.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on May 05, 2005, 08:10:00 PM
This one is great,but without colour  :'( So,I am wondering if someone has some(don't have to bee this one) colour portrait of her?Thanks
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: casey on May 05, 2005, 10:14:33 PM
"Queen" Marie-Louise was actually never a queen.  During her life, Bulgaria was a principality and she was titled Princess Marie-Louise of Bulgaria.

Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on May 06, 2005, 08:27:18 PM
Casey,I checked it now and you are right!Anyway,I would like to know much more about this woman and to see some colour portrait of her-if posible?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Prince_Leo_Teles on May 07, 2005, 07:42:31 PM
hi marc....

i have no portraits, but have some info: Maria Louise was the eldest daugther of Robert of Parma's (1848-1907) first marriage with Princess Maria Pia Bourbon des deux Sicilies (!849-1882). After Ferdinand of Bulgaria became Prince of Bulgaria in 1887, he was wandering around Europe in search for a wife, but to be honest was quite hard for him, once word was spread (even with some help of Queen Victoria, his cousin) that Ferdinand "foxy" was "effeminate" and too much delicate. When he finally "negotiated" the marriage with D Robert (an exiled king living in Austria) there were a huge problem about religion, being the Parmas catholic and Bulgaria Orthodox. The pope didnt want to give consent for that and it needed several crown heads of Europe to give a "little help" to persuade the pope to give up and finally Maria Louise and Ferdinand got married. I have to say that besides four children in 5 years of marriage, they were not at all the happy couple. She detested her new country and her mother-in-law, Princess Clementine of Bourbon was harsh and very rude with her.

Just after she got pregnant for the last time in early 1899, she decided to leave Bulgaria, but once arriving back to her father's house, she was forced to go back again to her husbands. She died on childbirth of Princess Nadezhda.

Children:

King Boris III (1894-1943) - King (1918-1943)
Prince Kiryl (1895-1945)
Princess Euoxia (1898-1985)
Princess Nadezdha (1899-1958)

hope i helped you in some way  :o
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on May 08, 2005, 08:20:15 AM
Thanks,if someone finds any colour portrait of her,please post it!
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on May 08, 2005, 10:15:49 AM
Sorry, can't give you a link right now. I shall try to scan a colour pic later. By the way, Maria Louisa is buried in the St. Louis Catholic Cathedral in Plovdiv.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on May 09, 2005, 07:43:59 AM
Please,please,please scan it and post it!  :) I would like to see her colour portrait so much!
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: cimbrio on May 12, 2005, 09:37:41 AM
I was in Bulgaria a few years ago (twice) and was pleased to see that several streets and places still have (or rather, perhaps reverted to) their Royal Name (Maria Luisa Ulitsa, Battenberg Palace, etc.). The Battenberg Palace was in fact very beautiful and I felt so very proud of being in a place Alexander of Bulgaria once was. The Palace is modest, small by palace standards (nothing like the Winter Palace or Schonbronn or Neuschwanstein, but really very very small), and is located at the centre of the city, not far from the Government House and the Alexander Nevsky Cathedral, built in 1912. There is also a statue dedicated to the Russian Liberator Tsar. Also very impressive is a Church (or maybe another Cathedral, can't remember) which was totally blown up during an assassination attemopt in the 1920's or 30's on Boris II's life. I remember being told he escaped without injuries but hundreds were killed, though don't quote me as it was some time ago and can't remember the aprticular details... I saw Boris III's tomb in the Rila Monastery, which was visited by the Pope a few months later. Beautiful country, and Simeon II is highly esteemed by three generations I met at least, though there is no question of Bulgaria becoming a Tsardom again, so they told me :)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Prince_Leo_Teles on May 12, 2005, 02:13:32 PM
hi ciumbrio

nice description of Sofia. I was there 7 years ago in a horrible and severe winter, so only spent 1 day really!!! i was on my way from Bucarest to Athens. But i still remenber seeing the Palace from the taxi that i was in and one day definitely i want to go back and visit it better
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on May 17, 2005, 11:04:16 PM
The former Royal Palace now serves as National Gallery and Ethnographic Museum. It has wonderful collections but the building badly needs some repairs. The facade has been given some lifting courtesy of the Messerschmit Foundation but it is not enough.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: cimbrio on May 19, 2005, 06:07:16 AM
The city is really wonderful, I certainly could feel the old tsarist days with all the buildings etc. Certainly the building needs some repair, but all in all it's a nice place :)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on May 26, 2005, 06:25:54 PM
Somewhere I read that Prince Kyril was considered to become King of Albania.
I do not know if that is true. Have you guys heard anything like that ?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on May 26, 2005, 06:38:40 PM
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/Bulg.jpg)


This is very famous portrait of Princess Maria Luisa. It used to be inside the Bulgarian parliament while Bulgaria was monarchy. Its as big as a person. I saw it in a Bulgarian newspaper once with colors. If you have it with colors please post it.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on May 26, 2005, 07:13:12 PM
No,I don't have!  :( I would like to see it badly...If you are from Bulgaria there must be some books about her or a dynasty with the colour portrait inside!Please,if anyone has some colour portrait of her,please post it!
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on May 26, 2005, 09:01:51 PM
I am Bulgarian, but I live in the United States.
When I saw her picture in the newspaper I was here in the US. I was visiting a friend and looked inside his newspaper and there they had the portret.

The falloing is a picture of Tsar Boris III speaking infront of the Parliament. You can see the picture of Maria Luisa in the background.

(http://collectibles-market.com/ext/items/bigthumbs/bigthumb_34fb73f2_borisparlaimentpc.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: royallover on September 11, 2005, 11:45:35 AM

   Where did he die?
   Did he know about the death of his two sons?
   
  Ps: I know that he died in 1948,after the WWII.


    Thanks.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Michael_II on September 12, 2005, 02:38:13 PM
Tsar Ferdinand I of Bulgaria died in Coburg, Germany and is buried in the crypt of St. Augustinkirche.  His coffin was placed at the feet of his parents tomb.  I also remember reading somewhere that he regretted that he was not able to attend the funeral of his son Tsar
Boris III.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: cimbrio on September 13, 2005, 04:58:14 PM
He must have led quite a sad life in later years, seeing both his sons dead (one in mysterious circumstances, albeit probably of natural causes, and the other killed after a Communist coup), his country turned into a Republic and his grandson being exiled. Are there any pics around of him and his first wife together? What was his relationship with the Bourbon Parmas after Maria Luisa's death in 1899? Someone (I don't recall who, though I think she was a Romanov) was suggested as a suitable second wife for him... I quite like the fact that his second daughter was called Nadezhda (=hope) since she was born while her mother died :(
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Michael_II on September 15, 2005, 03:45:41 PM
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He must have led quite a sad life in later years, seeing both his sons dead (one in mysterious circumstances, albeit probably of natural causes, and the other killed after a Communist coup), his country turned into a Republic and his grandson being exiled. Are there any pics around of him and his first wife together? What was his relationship with the Bourbon Parmas after Maria Luisa's death in 1899? Someone (I don't recall who, though I think she was a Romanov) was suggested as a suitable second wife for him... I quite like the fact that his second daughter was called Nadezhda (=hope) since she was born while her mother died :(

It was Grand Duke Vladimirs's wife Marie (nee Mecklenburg-Schwerin) who introduced her cousin Eleanor of Reuss to Ferdinand.  The condition for his second marriage was he wanted a wife who under no circumstances would expect or receive attention or affection.  There is an account that on their way back to Bulgaria they visited King Carol I of Romania  and Ferdinand demanded his wife be moved to seperate quarters as the King had  given them rooms together.  Seeing pictures of Queen Eleanor in later life
she I think shows the effect of nelegect.  Although her chances by staying in Germany weren't much. :-/

There is an entertaining book by Theo Aronson entitled
"Crowns in conflict" which has a interesting chapter on Ferdinand I.  If you can find it, the book is worth getting as is any of Theo Aronson's books. :D
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on October 07, 2005, 09:30:12 AM
Hello guys,

I want to ask you for a favor. Does anyone have pictures of Prince Heinrich IV Reuss zu Köstritz and Princess Luise Caroline Reuss zu Greiz. They were the parents of Tsarina Eleanaor. The pictures can be two: one of Prince Heinrich IV and another one of Princess Luise Caroline Reuss zu Greiz. Or just one picture with both of them. I tried to fine pictures but I could not find any. If you have some or know a web site where I can go please post it here.

Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Grand Duke on October 20, 2005, 06:20:27 PM

Ferdinand & Elenonor of Bulgaria

(http://www.the-forum.com/EPHEMERA/images2/s79-1.jpg)(http://www.the-forum.com/EPHEMERA/images2/s79-6.jpg)

(Tobacco Silks - Set issued by the American Tobacco Company in packages of Nebo Cigarettes)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Frederika on November 29, 2005, 11:12:52 AM
Ferdinand I was very attracted to young blond men and spent regular holidays in Capri on the italian cost which was a well known resort for gay men. This was well known in the europien courts often when they wanted somthing from him they would send a young man to ask for it! ;D
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on January 04, 2006, 06:18:55 PM
Tsarina Eleonora with her two step daughters - Princess Nadejda and Princess Eudoxia:

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip03/m197501124300.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip07/m197501115722.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on January 05, 2006, 03:35:05 AM
Popov, Thanks for the nices pics of Tsarina Eleonora with her step-daughters.  How Coburg they look! The pics must have been taken at Euxinograd Palace, I was there once.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on January 05, 2006, 09:29:39 PM
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Popov, Thanks for the nices pics of Tsarina Eleonora with her step-daughters.  How Coburg they look! The pics must have been taken at Euxinograd Palace, I was there once.


I think so too. I would love to visit Euxinograd Palace too someday.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on January 05, 2006, 09:32:19 PM
Eleonora entering a building, probably the National Assembly in Sofia:

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip07/m197501116041.jpg)


Family picture of Ferdinand I, Eleonora, Nadejda, Eudoxia and two gods:

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip03/m197501124147.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on January 08, 2006, 05:15:37 PM
Ferdinand I married twice and both his marriages were not based on love.

Ferdinand married Princess Maria Luisa just so she can give him an hair to the throne. They were married 6 years and had 4 children. Princess Maria Luisa was practically pregnant during the entire marriage.
Ferdinand married Tsarina Eleonora because he needed a consort and a mother for his children. Princess Clementine (Ferdinand’s mother) was acting as a consort and taking care for the children until her death in 1907.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: frohsdorf on January 08, 2006, 09:00:07 PM
Marie Louise of Bourbon-Parma (1870-1899) was the eldest daughter of Duke Robert of Bourbon-Parma and Princess Maria Pia of Two Sicilies.   She was one of twelve children;  of the twelve only three were judged to be normal---Marie Louise, Elias, and Beatrice.   Because of the close blood relation of their parents, the others were all mentally retarded and never married.  The portrait of Marie Louise posted on this site definitely flatters her!  She was, in fact, rather plain, with her ears set very low on her head.   However, her children with Ferdinand were all remarkably good-looking.  

I know she is buried in Plovdiv---I'd love to see a photograph of her crypt.  If Boris is buried in Rila, where are the other three, especially Prince Kyrill, who was murdered?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on January 08, 2006, 09:48:19 PM
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Marie Louise of Bourbon-Parma (1870-1899) was the eldest daughter of Duke Robert of Bourbon-Parma and Princess Maria Pia of Two Sicilies.   She was one of twelve children;  of the twelve only three were judged to be normal---Marie Louise, Elias, and Beatrice.   Because of the close blood relation of their parents, the others were all mentally retarded and never married.  The portrait of Marie Louise posted on this site definitely flatters her!  She was, in fact, rather plain, with her ears set very low on her head.   However, her children with Ferdinand were all remarkably good-looking.  

I know she is buried in Plovdiv---I'd love to see a photograph of her crypt.  If Boris is buried in Rila, where are the other three, especially Prince Kyrill, who was murdered?


Here you can find pictures of the Royal burials in Bulgaria:

http://homepage.mac.com/crowns

For what I know Prince Kiril is buried in the Sofia Cemetery.
Princess Nadejda and Princess Eudoxia are both buried in Germany.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: frohsdorf on January 09, 2006, 11:32:27 PM
Thank you for the great link!  I did find the two photographs;  Marie Louise has a very impressive tomb.

I was shocked to read that Boris' body was REMOVED from Rila by the communists, and the location is now unknown! Is this true?  His remains, are in fact, MISSING?

Does anyone know for sure where his brother Kyrill is buried?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 10, 2006, 04:53:11 AM
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Marie Louise of Bourbon-Parma (1870-1899) was the eldest daughter of Duke Robert of Bourbon-Parma and Princess Maria Pia of Two Sicilies.   She was one of twelve children;  of the twelve only three were judged to be normal---Marie Louise, Elias, and Beatrice.   Because of the close blood relation of their parents, the others were all mentally retarded and never married.  The portrait of Marie Louise posted on this site definitely flatters her!  She was, in fact, rather plain, with her ears set very low on her head.   However, her children with Ferdinand were all remarkably good-looking.  




On the thread "the 24 kids of Robert of Bourbon-Parma" (Italian Royal Families) there is a lot of info on these children. There's also a very interesting theory as to the origin of the mental deficiency which I find very convincing - see the post by Jane on page 2.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on January 10, 2006, 10:52:48 AM
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Thank you for the great link!  I did find the two photographs;  Marie Louise has a very impressive tomb.

I was shocked to read that Boris' body was REMOVED from Rila by the communists, and the location is now unknown! Is this true?  His remains, are in fact, MISSING?

Does anyone know for sure where his brother Kyrill is buried?


According to some sources the body was moved and re-buried in the grounds of Vrana Palace. The exact location is unknown. Many people have suggested different locations. The part around Vrana Palace is quite big and there are many possibilities.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Daniela on February 03, 2006, 04:20:00 AM
Were Princess Nadejda and Princess Eudoxia fond of their stepmother? On photos posted by popov_2000 they are looking very at ease with each other. :)

Daniela
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: popov_2000 on February 03, 2006, 06:55:42 AM
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I was wondering, how come that Kiril and his sister Eudoxia never got married?
I mean, they both were quite good looking :-/

Daniela

Oh, a couple of their photos
(http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=sl;m=IM;d=1005497355;i=693981;k=/eudoxie.0.von_sachsen_coburg_und_gotha)
Princess Eudoxia

(http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs16/kyrillbulgaria1895.jpg)
Prince Kiril


I read somewhere that Princess Eudoxia was planning to get married. She even left the palace and moved into a small palace called “Eudoxia Palace” especially build for her. The article did not say who she was planning to marry.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dvoretzky on February 03, 2006, 08:48:35 AM
Princess Eudoxia's residence was in Sofia's Iztok neighbourhood. After the restitution of property, the buliding was sold off as the Wurtenbergs wanted.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: La_Rainha on February 25, 2006, 12:25:51 PM
Since I saw for the first time Photos of Czarina Eleonore, I also felt much sympathy for her! When I read abour her life, I was a bit shocked about her marriage with the King of Bulgaria, a German prince, who is looking - sorry- a bit like an oldafashioned tyrann and not a monarch of a constitutional system!
I have several fotos from Eleonore, but as new member, I don`t know how to place them in!
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on February 25, 2006, 02:05:19 PM
Open your free account in photobucket(for example) and after you download pictures from your computer,just copy the third row under downloaded picture and post it here-into free space!I also had problems with posting,but it's easy in the end!I would like so much to see Eleonore's pictures!
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on April 08, 2006, 11:08:24 AM
Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna of Russia visited Bulgaria for the Grand Opening of the memorial for Tsar Alexander II of Russia. Tsar Alexander II freed Bulgaria from the Ottoman Empire during the Russo-Turkish War of 1877 - 1878. The Grand Duchess spent quite some time in Bulgaria and rumors say that she was the one responsible for locating the right wedding partner for the Bulgarian Tsar Ferdinand I. This partner was Princess Eleonore of Reuss.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on April 08, 2006, 10:13:35 PM
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  Robert.

 Did  Ferdinand stay at Boris's Funeral?

  Regards.

Prince Kyril informed his father Ferdinand I that Boris III had died. However, a potential return of Ferdinand I to Bulgaria was never discussed.
Prince Kyril, Princess Nadejda and Princess Eudoxia all attended the funeral. Albrecht of Wurttemberg, husband of Princess Nadejda and Mafalda of Italy, sister of Tsaritsa Ioanna also attended the funeral.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 12, 2006, 02:25:43 AM
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Both of them had the same strange nose.  ;) .

 :) No wonder, if we look at King Ferdinand's nose! The Bourbon inheritance (from both sides, btw)! :)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 12, 2006, 06:32:07 AM
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Both of them had the same strange nose.  ;) .

 :) No wonder, if we look at King Ferdinand's nose! The Bourbon inheritance (from both sides, btw)! :)

You're absolutely right. Ferdinand's sister Amalie had that nose, too.  ;)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Nathalie on June 12, 2006, 07:09:12 AM
I was in Bulgaria a few years ago (twice) and was pleased to see that several streets and places still have (or rather, perhaps reverted to) their Royal Name (Maria Luisa Ulitsa, Battenberg Palace, etc.).

Ironic If we consider the deatil given by an other member, that in fact she didn'T rally like her new country. :P
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on June 12, 2006, 09:30:56 AM
Here is a very famous picture of Maria Luisa. The picture was once in the Bulgarian Parliament, now it is in a Museum in Sofia:

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/popov_2000/100_2294.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on June 12, 2006, 09:56:42 AM
Wow, incredible portrait! :) It's always interesting to look at the original after seeing black/white reproductions. Thanks.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on June 13, 2006, 08:06:52 AM
Here is another picture of Maria Luisa. The first time I saw it was in the Museum in Sofia. It's not as good as the previous one because
there is a glass and you can see reflection from the flash when I took the picture.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/popov_2000/100_2266.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on June 13, 2006, 08:57:43 AM
Here is a picture of Ferdinand I took from the National Museum in Sofia:

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/popov_2000/100_2281.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 13, 2006, 12:28:39 PM
She looks sad and tired in the last portrait!
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on June 14, 2006, 04:32:30 PM
WOW,it's so refreshing to see her portrait in colour!Was she really in shadow of late Marie Louise?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on July 04, 2006, 07:13:02 PM
Does anyone have pictures of Eleonora's father, Heinrich IV, Fürst Reuss zu Schleiz-Köstritz

or her grandparents:
- Henrique LXIII, conde Reuss-Köstritz and Leonor, condessa de Stolberg-Wernigerode
- Henrique XIX, príncipe Reuss-Greiz and Gasparine, princesa de Rohan-Rochefort
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on December 26, 2006, 12:26:55 PM
I just read a funny story about Tsar Ferdinand I. Once Ferdinand I got stuck inside the elevator at Vrana Palace. After he left the elevator he slapped his two sons Boris and Kyril. This was because the boys were close by and were laughing. Ferdinand I thought that they played a joke on him with the elevator.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: ashdean on December 28, 2006, 03:02:46 AM
Ferdinand lived (at least till WW2) a very comfortable exile in Coburg....thanks to the immemse fortune inherited from his Hungarian paternal grandmother & shrewdly invested outside Hungary....After 1945..things were much more precarious with the Soviet zone & future "Iron curtain" within a very few miles of his home..Indeed the old fox was lucky he had not to flee like so many of his  contemparies..
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: gleb on December 29, 2006, 09:34:10 AM
Ferdinand lived (at least till WW2) a very comfortable exile in Coburg....thanks to the immemse fortune inherited from his Hungarian paternal grandmother & shrewdly invested outside Hungary....After 1945..things were much more precarious with the Soviet zone & future "Iron curtain" within a very few miles of his home

But where did he live exactly?

Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: LenelorMiksi on March 03, 2007, 10:33:44 AM
King Ferdinand's two daughters.

Eudoxia: (1898- 1985)

Nadejda: (1899- 1958) married Duke Albrecht of Wuerrttemberg (1895- 1954) in 1924 & had several children.

I'd like to know about their personalities & lives in general!  I think their mother, Marie Louise, died in 1899, when they were very young.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/LenelorMiksi/1898Eudoxie.jpg)     (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/LenelorMiksi/1899Nadejda.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on March 04, 2007, 06:22:16 PM
Tsarina Eleonora with her two step daughters - Princess Nadejda and Princess Eudoxia:

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip03/m197501124300.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip07/m197501115722.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: LenelorMiksi on March 05, 2007, 06:49:46 AM
I would think that Eleanore would have been close to these two girls as Nadejda would not have remembered Marie Louise at all & Eudoxia was very small when she died.  I also wonder what kind of father Ferdinand was to them. 
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on March 05, 2007, 07:22:43 PM
I read somewhere that Boris III (I think Kyril too, but I am not sure) often visited the grave of his step mother Eleanor. Apparently he was very attached to her. I would assume that if she was close to him then she was close to all the other children. 
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 06, 2007, 03:23:14 AM
Their mother Marie Louise was a daughter of Robert of Parma, and a half sister of empress Zita. Does anybody know, if the girls Nadejda and Eudoxia had a good relationship to their aunt, Zita? Were they close to her? Or not?
Thanks ;)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: LenelorMiksi on March 08, 2007, 08:04:02 PM
I'm finding it difficult to find much information on these two princesses.  However, Time had a little article about Princess Eudoxia's memoirs being published in Germany.  Apparently, she did a lot of work while her brother was King & unmarried.  They called the article "Melancholy Princess", I suppose because she wrote about the unglamorous side of royal life.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 09, 2007, 02:32:00 AM
It´s interesting with the memories. I don´t know much on that family either, but the connection to Zita has something interesting to me, so it would be interesting to know, where memories were published- here in Germany. I´m German, so maybe I could find them? Did Albrecht von Württemberg have children with Nadejda? (Oh, well I should look it for myself!) He was a nephew of the murdered Franz Ferdinand, son of his sister, so that would be another interesting connection to the Hapsburgs.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 09, 2007, 03:26:06 AM
Well, I have looked up for myself and found out that Albrecht von Württemberg and Nadejda had at least five children together:

a) Ferdinand, b.1925

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/192520Ferdinand-03.jpg)

b) Margarethe, b. 1928

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/192820Margarethe.jpg)

c) Eugenius, b. 1930

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/193020Eugenius.jpg)

d) Alexander, b. 1933 (have found no pic :()

e) Sophie, b.1937

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/193720Sophie-02.jpg)

Especially the last one resembles a lot to her mother, and to her grandmother Maria Luisa of Parma, whose grandmother was a daughter of Archduke Karl of Teschen.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 10, 2007, 08:09:22 AM
Duchess Maria Luisa, née Princess of Parma had very special features. She resembled neither her mother Maria Pia nor her grandmother Maria Theresia. Maria Pia was a quite plain woman, but Maria Theresia was considered to be a real beauty.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 10, 2007, 08:15:01 AM

(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5551/albrechteugenfam01up8.jpg)

Duke Albrecht Eugen, Duchess Nadejda and their children Ferdinand, Margarethe, Eugen and Alexander.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Yseult on March 10, 2007, 10:38:10 AM
I´m just reading a book focused on Simeon II that constains some information about the family.
It seems that the religion was always a burning question into the family. Foxy Ferdinand belonged to the roman catholic branch of the Saxes and he remained catholic when he became the king of Bulgaria, but he accepted the bulgarian constitution including an article that stated the crownprince would be a greek orthodox. A few time later, emperor Franz Joseph of Austria suggested to Ferdinand it would be a good idea to marry Maria Luisa of Bourbon Parma. The girl was catholic, and, to marry her, Ferdinand promised their children would be eventually raised into the catholic church. Not only Maria Luisa but also her father Roberto de Parma were absolutely convinced. When a firstborn son appeared, he was baptised in the catholic church with the christian names of Clemente Roberto (his godfather was the maternal grandfather and his godmother the paternal grandmother), but, a few days later, under pressure, Ferdinand agreed to the conversion of his son into de ortodoxy (his godfather was the tsar Nicholas II of Russia, by the way).
Maria Luisa was appalled and she fled to Italy for a time. Later, she returned home and had another children, Kyril, Eudoxia and Nadejda, baptised catholics. The book on Simeon stated that Eudoxia always felt the bad fortune of her family had its origins in the episode of the conversion of little Boris.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 10, 2007, 11:37:25 AM
Duchess Maria Luisa, née Princess of Parma had very special features. She resembled neither her mother Maria Pia nor her grandmother Maria Theresia. Maria Pia was a quite plain woman, but Maria Theresia was considered to be a real beauty.

Do you know pictures of Maria Pia? I have only seen one and this shows her only in profile. I hope I wasn´t understood wrongly: I did not mean that Maria Luisa resembled her mother and grandmother, but that the grandchildren of Maria Pia have certain similarity to her: I think, Sophie
b. 1937 is a bit similar to her especially around the eyes. Maybe it´s only my impression :P
But back to Maria Pia...any idea, where there are pictures of her? I find it rather difficult. Thanks for any link ;)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 10, 2007, 11:44:18 AM

(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5551/albrechteugenfam01up8.jpg)

Duke Albrecht Eugen, Duchess Nadejda and their children Ferdinand, Margarethe, Eugen and Alexander.

I have just seen this wonderful card ;) Thanks ;) I guess the little one in blonde is Alexander? And Sophie wasn´t already born at that time...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 10, 2007, 12:12:40 PM
Do you know pictures of Maria Pia? I have only seen one and this shows her only in profile. I hope I wasn´t understood wrongly: I did not mean that Maria Luisa resembled her mother and grandmother, but that the grandchildren of Maria Pia have certain similarity to her: I think, Sophie
b. 1937 is a bit similar to her especially around the eyes. Maybe it´s only my impression :P

Yes, I got that right. But I just wanted to add that there is no resemblence to Maria Pia and Maria Theresia. And you are definitely right that Sophie had a lot of Nadedja's features.

But back to Maria Pia...any idea, where there are pictures of her? I find it rather difficult. Thanks for any link ;)

I only have one single photograph showing Maria Pia as an adult. On this photograph, which was taken shortly before her death in 1882, you can the duchess and her little son Elie. But there are quite a few of her as a child.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 10, 2007, 02:42:03 PM
It´s interesting. Did you buy this as a card or is it in any of your books? I only found one, which shows her profile. I´ll send this later, I hope it´s her.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Svetabel on March 11, 2007, 05:04:50 AM
Do you know pictures of Maria Pia? I have only seen one and this shows her only in profile. I hope I wasn´t understood wrongly: I did not mean that Maria Luisa resembled her mother and grandmother, but that the grandchildren of Maria Pia have certain similarity to her: I think, Sophie
b. 1937 is a bit similar to her especially around the eyes. Maybe it´s only my impression :P



I only have one single photograph showing Maria Pia as an adult. On this photograph, which was taken shortly before her death in 1882, you can the duchess and her little son Elie. But there are quite a few of her as a child.

There is a lso a picture of Maria Pia with her husband, she is in profile in it though.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 11, 2007, 08:26:45 AM
There is a lso a picture of Maria Pia with her husband, she is in profile in it though.

Do you have this picture of Maria Pia and Roberto? I would really love to see it.

@ Britt.25:
Could you also show us the picture of Maria Pia in profile that you got?

Here is the one of Maria Pia and Elie which you can find once again in Das Familienalbum von Kaiser Karl and Zita by Gabriele Praschl-Bichler.  ;)

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/mariapia.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Svetabel on March 11, 2007, 08:38:04 AM
Little Maria Pia

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/bourbon/bbsicilie2/1849%20M.Pia.jpg (http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/bourbon/bbsicilie2/1849%20M.Pia.jpg)

I'll try to dig out  a picture of Roberto and Maria Pia.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 11, 2007, 08:50:48 AM
Little Maria Pia

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/bourbon/bbsicilie2/1849%20M.Pia.jpg (http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/bourbon/bbsicilie2/1849%20M.Pia.jpg)

I'll try to dig out  a picture of Roberto and Maria Pia.

That's a detail of the picture I've posted.  ;) Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 11, 2007, 09:02:59 AM


Does anybody know, which type of person Maria Pia was? She looks very sympathic on the pictures, and as a child very tenderly. Was she good mother? It´s a pity that she died quite early :'(
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Svetabel on March 11, 2007, 09:08:04 AM
I spoke about this picture. Though now I'm beginning to doubt the pair is Roberto and Maria Pia  :-\

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/DukeRoberto_1tspouse.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 11, 2007, 09:21:41 AM
Nice picture! Never seen before. Why do you think this is not Maria Pia and Robert I of Parma?
I think it´s very much possible, why not? The face of the lady on the picture is similar to the one, which posted MarieCharlotte, don´t you think?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 11, 2007, 09:23:48 AM
In my opinion Maria Pia looks completely different ... But I could be wrong, of course ...  ::)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Agneschen on March 11, 2007, 10:08:00 AM
The man in the pic Svetabel posted looks like Roberto of Parma to me so I guess the woman must be Maria Pia eventhough it is really hard to tell. I wish more pics of her were available which would make it easier to identify her. Oh that some historian would become interested in the Bourbon-Sicily sisters and take a plunge into the Neapolitan archives !!
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on March 11, 2007, 04:53:41 PM
I´m just reading a book focused on Simeon II that constains some information about the family.
It seems that the religion was always a burning question into the family. Foxy Ferdinand belonged to the roman catholic branch of the Saxes and he remained catholic when he became the king of Bulgaria, but he accepted the bulgarian constitution including an article that stated the crownprince would be a greek orthodox. A few time later, emperor Franz Joseph of Austria suggested to Ferdinand it would be a good idea to marry Maria Luisa of Bourbon Parma. The girl was catholic, and, to marry her, Ferdinand promised their children would be eventually raised into the catholic church. Not only Maria Luisa but also her father Roberto de Parma were absolutely convinced. When a firstborn son appeared, he was baptised in the catholic church with the christian names of Clemente Roberto (his godfather was the maternal grandfather and his godmother the paternal grandmother), but, a few days later, under pressure, Ferdinand agreed to the conversion of his son into de ortodoxy (his godfather was the tsar Nicholas II of Russia, by the way).
Maria Luisa was appalled and she fled to Italy for a time. Later, she returned home and had another children, Kyril, Eudoxia and Nadejda, baptised catholics. The book on Simeon stated that Eudoxia always felt the bad fortune of her family had its origins in the episode of the conversion of little Boris.

I bought an old magazine (either the Illustrated London News or The Sketch) once--for other royals but there was an article on this in there. It detailed how appalled Marie Louise, her father and the Pope (who had been assured as well that Boris would be baptized Catholic) at Ferdinand's going back on his word. It was quite the scandal for awhile.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on March 14, 2007, 10:30:08 PM
I read a short biography of Princess Eudoxia’s life. In it is says’s that Princess Eudoxia was never married, however she had two great loves. First Eudoxia fell in love with Ivan Bagrianov. He was one of the closest people to her brother Tsar Boris III. Ivan Bagrianov was also Prime-Minister of Bulgaria. Princess Eudoxia wanted to marry him, however Ferdinand I was against it because Bagrianov was not from noble birth. Princess Eudoxia’s second love was Parvan Draganov. He was also close to the royal family and became intimate with the Princess. Once again the fact that he was not from noble birth stood on the way of their marriage. According to this biography Tsar Ferdinand I was planning for her a future as an Empress. Princess Eudoxia was supposed to marry an Emperor, however it does not states which Emperor was she supposed to marry. If you know please provide the information.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: LenelorMiksi on March 19, 2007, 07:17:40 AM
Well, there weren't too many emperors around at the time.  All I know of are the Hohenzellerns, Romanovs, and the Windsors.  Maybe also Portugal, I'm not sure if it was still an Empire at that time. 
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Mark_Chicago on March 30, 2007, 12:47:54 AM
Has anyone seen the actual article (or series of articles) which were the memoirs of Princess Eudoxia?  Someone above mentioned aTIME magazine piece about them and I have found it http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,729486,00.html?promoid=googlep
However, I would be interested to see the original article and see what else was said.  Thanks



Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 30, 2007, 03:01:49 AM
Thanks for having mentioned that time article. It would be interesting to get to read her full memories. I think, she is an interesting figure, even when she is not so widely known. Also her sight of royalty in the 20 th century seems to be interesting...would be nice to know more!
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on April 29, 2007, 12:18:15 PM
Princess Eudoxie, Princess Nadejda and her husband Count Albrecht are all buried in Schlosskirche, Altshausen.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: synnadene on August 16, 2007, 12:29:29 PM


Some cdv's of Maria Luisa

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/MariaLuisa2.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/MariaLuisa.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/MariaLuisa4.jpg)

Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: synnadene on August 16, 2007, 12:33:19 PM


(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/MariaLuisa8.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: synnadene on August 16, 2007, 12:52:39 PM

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/QUEEN_MARIA_LUISA_OF_BULGAR.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/QUEEN_MARIA_LUISA_OF_BULGA3.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/MariaLuisaofBulgaria.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/QUEEN_MARIA_LUISA_OF_BULGA2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: synnadene on August 16, 2007, 12:54:06 PM
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/MariaLuisa-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Svetabel on August 16, 2007, 01:05:26 PM
Correctly speaking  she was not a Queen or Tsaritza of Bulgaria but Princess (Knyaginya) as her husband Ferdinand got the title of the Tzar only in 1908 and Maria Luisa had died in 1899.


Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Svetabel on August 16, 2007, 01:11:33 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/1.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/5.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 16, 2007, 02:46:33 PM
Correctly speaking  she was not a Queen or Tsaritza of Bulgaria but Princess (Knyaginya)

I think it would be even more correct to say that she was a Duchess (Knyaginya), wouldn't it? 
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: synnadene on August 16, 2007, 02:46:47 PM
Thank you for the correction, I was not sure with her rang.

And excellent pics, as always, you must have great sources!! :)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Svetabel on August 16, 2007, 03:13:00 PM

And excellent pics, as always, you must have great sources!! :)

Not so great  :), just years of searching info/pictures, finding books and of course a lot of googling. BTW, I meant to say that the last posted photo in my previous post of Maria Luisa is courtesy of www.royaltyguide.nl






Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Svetabel on August 16, 2007, 03:15:35 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/11.jpg)

ML and her mother-in-law Clementine

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/12.jpg)

ML, mother-in-law and son Boris
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on September 30, 2007, 05:08:30 AM
When Ferdinand leaved Bulgaria in 1918 and went to exile, he didn't live only in Coburg but he spent some time also in sv. Anton- countryside in Slovakia. Coburgs were oweners of castle in sv. Anton and lot of another estates in Slovakia.
He definitely leaved sv. Anton in 1944 and rest of his live he spent in Coburg where he died 4 years later in 1948.
Do you know more about his live in castle in sv. Anton and how long exactly he lived there? If yes, new informations will welcome.
Here are also some links about the Castle and exhibition(ufortunately not in english but you can see some pictures from exposition):
http://www.muzeumsv-anton.sk/expozicia.html
http://www.muzeumsv-anton.sk/rody.html
http://www.muzeumsv-anton.sk/park.html
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 01, 2007, 09:27:46 PM
Intersting ! It seems like his brother Philip also spent time there.  ???
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on October 02, 2007, 12:04:56 PM
Yes, right. His brother Philip realy spent time there. He was last owener of the castle. His son Leopold was born there in 1878.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: José on October 03, 2007, 11:21:00 AM
In all those pictures she looks a gloomy, sad, unhappy person.

What move her into that marriage ?
Her mother-in-law, Clémentine d'Orléans was considered the match-maker of the family.
Bringing a Bourbon into the Orléans-Saxe Coburg was really a good choice ?
Besides M-L came from a family with no political power/interest namely for the Balkans.
Were there no other more suital brides ? Or did Foxy Ferdinand reputation meant he had to cope with what he got ? His 2nd wife came from an even minor family ...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dmitri on October 03, 2007, 07:01:15 PM
Remember Ferdinand's mother was a French Princess herself and Maria Luisa was the sister of Zita who ended up later Empress of Austria, Queen of Hungary for a very short time.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dmitri on October 03, 2007, 07:09:31 PM
The Bourbon-Parma family were very eligible as Roman Catholics to marry into various dynasties. A later marriage was Feiix of Bourbon-Parma to Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxembourg. He was the grandfather of the current reigning Grand Duke Henri and father of the former reigning Grand Duke Jean.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: José on October 04, 2007, 11:30:04 AM
Remember Ferdinand's mother was a French Princess herself and Maria Luisa was the sister of Zita who ended up later Empress of Austria, Queen of Hungary for a very short time.

Zita was 11 when her half-sister married Ferdinand and at that time no one would suspect what was to come...

Their father, Duke Robert, was achild of 11 when the Italian Unification cast him from his Duchy.
He lived most of his life as an exilé.

My question was that for a country that had just been created (Bulgaria), certainly the support of any major power , shown by a more important marriage , would be more desirable.

Unless no King/Emperor would consider the Sofia throne a very safe one.
After all, there was the precedent of Pr. Alexander of Battenberg, who could not keep his throne.
At least he could keep his head ...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on October 08, 2007, 12:40:55 PM
I didn't know before that he discovered Rudolf died in Mayerling.
But somewhere I read that Rudolf and his younger brother Ferdinand were lovers of his wife Louise-Marie.
Is it true or only rumour?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 08, 2007, 08:53:16 PM
Yes...It was rumoured that Louise had an affaire with Rudolf. She wrote in her bio," marry my younger sister Stephanie, she is very much like me." He did.

No Ferdinard flirted with Louise but did not have an affaire with her. However he also did the same with Louise of Tuscany ( later the runaway Crown Princess of Saxony). "Foxy"'s real passion was blond haired young men... ;)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on October 09, 2007, 09:13:36 AM
I have read about his passion in young blond men too. I wonder wheather he was homosexual or only bisexual.
If he had married only once, I would think, that he got merried only for heir and children. But he was married twice, and with his first wife
Marie-Louise of Burbon-Parma he had four children- two sons and two daughters. Therefore wasn't so necessery to marry again.
Also actress Katharina Schratt was associated with Ferdinand, although she was well known especially as a close friend (or something more?) of Franz Joseph. Emperor often mentined jealously him in his letters to Katharina. She swore, that Ferdinand was only her friend in brother's way, but who knows. Franz Joseph was happy, when he heard, that Ferdinand would get married with his first wife. Perhaps he expected that then this 'friendship' would be finished soon. But Ferdinand's visits in Katharina Schratt's house wasn't interrupted. So he had to admit, that marriage between Ferdinand and Marie-Louise wasn't real love-match.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on October 09, 2007, 09:29:14 AM
Perhaps he married second time only therefore, that he wanted to provide mother for his children, when his first wife died so soon.
I don't know any details about his marriage with Eleonore, but presumably there weren't  another reasons exept this and presentable obligations.
But maybe I am wrong. Does anybody know more?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 09, 2007, 08:50:56 PM
Well...Foxy needed a consort who would leave him alone (Maria Teresa made a big fuss about the children religion), Michen (Grand Duchess Maria Paulovna the elder) found one in Elenore Reuss. They seem to suit each other well. The grand duchess also appeared in the wedding photos.  :)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Norbert on January 26, 2008, 05:02:48 AM
Castle of Svaty Anton(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii120/norbertIII/anton.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dmitri on January 26, 2008, 06:27:21 AM
Well I guess the lack of children from the second marriage is very telling.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on January 26, 2008, 11:52:58 AM
What an odd comment, dmitri.  He already had 2 sons and 2 daughters. He did not marry Eleanore to produce more children- he baisically wanted a consort and a governess to the children he already had. Good grief, she was 48 when they married!
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Greenowl on January 26, 2008, 03:17:17 PM
Indeed...Philip of Coburg was a man of vice and secrets (it was he who discovered Rudolf died in Mayerling).  :o

I think that is overstating the situation somewhat. Prince Philip of Coburg was present (along with Count Josef Hoyos) when Crown Prince Rudolf's servant Johann Loschek broke down the locked door of Rudolf's bedroom. Prince Philip arrived from Vienna (where he had spend the night having attended the "family dinner" in the Hofburg at which Rudolf was supposed to appear) at 8h10. Count Hoyos waited until Prince Philip arrived before giving Loschek permission to break down the door.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: dmitri on January 26, 2008, 08:48:42 PM
Robert nothing odd at all. The"interests" Ferdinand had are very well documented. The second wife was a convenient smokescreen. The first marriage was a convenient arrangement that produced children. I doubt anybody would cliaim it was a love match or prevented Ferdinand from continuing the hunt.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Norbert on March 21, 2008, 03:36:23 PM
Ferdinand's family. I know his daughters went into exile into Germany in 1918. Nadejda to marry the wealthy Wurttemberg,  but did nobody consider Eudoxia or Kyril in the marriage markets ?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: casey on March 21, 2008, 04:09:35 PM
During the exile of the royal family, Prince Kyril enjoyed the life of a playboy prince and spent many hours in the casino.  When he returned to Bulgaria, he was penniless and had to be supported by his brother King Boris III.  With the exception of status, he had little to offer.

It has often been speculated the Princess Evdokia fell in love with a Bulgarian, perhap a politian.  In those times royal pincesses didn't marry outside their rank.  Evdokia was far too devoted to Bulgaria and King Boris to ever consider marriage to a foreign prince.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Mari on March 21, 2008, 05:44:06 PM
This is a very gossipy little book published in 1916, no author.  Apparently Ferdinand could be very hard at times as well as eccentric....in this instance I have it linked to a cruel episode concerning Marie Louise of Parma, his first wife. The Book includes some great pictures of Ferdinand which are shown in the second link on page 56. I cannot find the source of the Author but they write as if a Contemporary of his.





http://books.google.com/books?id=ng9FAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Ferdinand+I+of+Bulgaria&ei=Ly_kR9LQKoKWzATJyvHSBA#PPA69,M1

http://books.google.com/books?id=ng9FAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Ferdinand+I+of+Bulgaria&ei=Ly_kR9LQKoKWzATJyvHSBA#PPA56-IA2,M1
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Norbert on March 22, 2008, 06:21:10 AM
when did Kyril and Eudokia return to Bulgaria? I''ve read somewhere that Giovanna wanted him to marry her sister Maria but Mussolini " reserved her for Otto, as Queen of Hungary". Did Nadejda visit her siblings often? Anyone info on her grandson Patrick de la Lanne Grinnell-Milne b 1962.
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Post by: Gabriella on April 28, 2008, 04:21:03 PM
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/TsarinaEleonoreofBulgaria.jpg)

I found this picture of Tsarina Eleonore of Bulgaria on the Internet. I assume she is the second wife of Tsar Ferdinand of Bulgaria, but I do not know for sure.
Could anybody confirm, please?

Could anybody give more information about Eleonore and post more pictures of her?

Thanks,

Gabriella

Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 28, 2008, 04:24:14 PM
Yes, it is her.

She was part of the Reuss clan--the Kostritz branch. She married Ferdinand, as his 2nd wife, in 1908 at the age of 48. She seems to have been a good stepmother to her stepchildren. She was related to Grand Duchess Vladimir of Russia (I believe Miechen's mother was sister to Eleanor's father) and Eleanor had worked with her on her nursing train during the Russo-Japanese war. I believe it was she who arranged the match with Ferdinand. Miechen was in attendance at the wedding, I believe.

Her cousin was one of the many Henrys of Reuss--this one in particular married Viktoria Margarete of Prussia (the niece of Empress Augusta Victoria) and the marriage ended in divorce. She was also a cousin of the Kaiser's 2nd wife Hermine who was born a Reuss, though of a different branch.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Norbert on May 06, 2008, 12:56:28 PM
I wonder if she was the only candidate? I know many people can't understand how she could marry a gay man but it would have been a good career move for a Princess. Being a Queen would give her a role and bring prestigue to herself and her family. She could be of use in her new realm and I'm sure Ferdy was charming and even better, kept to the otherside of the bedroom door .
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: LenelorMiksi on June 08, 2008, 01:20:09 PM
I've been reading Stephane Groeff's biography of King Boris III, "Crown of Thorns", and it has good information about the princesses.  Apparently, the four siblings (Boris, Kyril, Eudoxia, & Nadejda) were very close.  Their father was very authoritarian.  Princess Eudoxia was closest to King Boris.  From "Crown of Thorns"... "Four children who grew up without a mother, in the shadow of an overpowering father who never gave them an affectionate hug or a tender word: "Bo," the eldest, the most sensitive, a very intelligent youngster and conscientious worker; "Kiki," a bigger, stronger boy although a year younger, more extroverted and mischievous, and a lazy student; Evdokia, of "Koka," four years younger than the crown prince, probably the brightest child, a girl with an unusually strong will and explosive temper, like her father's; Nadejda, called "May" or "Micky", a pleasant and obedient girl at whose birth their mother, Princess Maria-Louisa, née Bourbon-Parma, died."
  When Ferdinand abdicated in October of 1918, the entire family were exiled from Bugaria except Boris.  His sisters were allowed to return in 1922, and later on Prince Kyril.  The princesses provided emotional support for the young ruler, who was struggling to maintain a throne while so many other monarchs, of much older dynasties, were abdicating.  Another excerpt on the princesses' personalities- "Boris, for instance, had never heard Evdokia and Nadejda discuss haute couture or hairdressers, nor seen them wear makeup or fancy jewelry.  When they were girls, their stepmother, Queen Eleanore, dressed them, invariably, in austere old-fashioned garb, prim and proper enough to satisfy the monarch, who personally decided on the family jewely the wore, on special occasions only.  Later, in the sober atmosphere of the postwar years, the princesses never developed the slightest interest in clothes, girl talk or frivolities of any sort.  Instead they became, especially the brilliant and politically minded Evdokia, the closest confidantes of their harassed brother, who often discussed important public affairs with them."
Princess Nadejda married Albrecht in the beginning of 1924.  Eudoxia, on the other hand, loved her native Bulgaria so much that she did not wish to marry and thus be forced to leave it.  When Boris married Princess Giovanna of Italy, some sister-in-law unpleasantries arose and Eudoxia moved into a house newly-built for her.  Apparently, Boris was the only person Eudoxia would aquiesce to when things did not go her way.  Eudoxia abhorred the Nazi movement, and at one point Nadejda and Albrecht escaped problems with the regime only because of Nadejda's connection to King Boris.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on June 22, 2008, 11:27:17 PM
When Ferdinand I of Bulgaria was looking for a wife he was illegally on the Bulgarian Throne. He was chosen by the Bulgarians to rule over them, but he was not recognized by Russia and the Ottoman Empire as official ruler. Ferdinand I was denied a Princess from the major European Courts. It was not until he baptized his first born Prince Boris of Turnovo into the Eastern Orthodox faith that he was recognized by Russia as an official ruler of Bulgaria.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Norbert on June 23, 2008, 02:52:57 AM
it was better politically to choose a bride ouside the circle of European powers. His predecessor was linked with a Princess of Prussia which upset Russia and the Habsburgs.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Yseult on August 27, 2008, 10:58:11 AM
I like so much this portrait of Eleonore...

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/Eleonora-of-Bulgaria-portrait.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Gabriella on August 28, 2008, 06:45:16 PM
GrandduchessElla, thanks for the information about Eleonore.
Yseult, thanks for posting the lovely picture of her.

Regards,
Gabriella.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on October 05, 2008, 06:55:34 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Portrait_of_Tsaritsa_Eleonora_of_Bulgaria_-_oil_painting.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on October 05, 2008, 08:01:16 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Portrait_of_Knyaginya_Marie_Louise_of_Bourbon-Parma_of_Bulgaria_-_oil_painting.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Michael II on October 06, 2008, 11:02:51 AM
I wonder if she was the only candidate? I know many people can't understand how she could marry a gay man but it would have been a good career move for a Princess. Being a Queen would give her a role and bring prestigue to herself and her family. She could be of use in her new realm and I'm sure Ferdy was charming and even better, kept to the otherside of the bedroom door .

According to Crowns in Conflict by Theo Aroson Queen Eleanore was given the understanding that she would received no affection from Ferdinand and so he merely wanted a glorified babysitter.  But a future as a Queen was better than remaining an old maid.  She was loved by the Bulgarian people.  On their way to Bulgaria after the wedding, Ferdinand and Eleanore spent some time in Romania with King Carol I and Queen Elizabeth.
Upon learning of the sleeping arrangements Ferdinand caused a scene and demanded separated rooms.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Norbert on October 07, 2008, 09:12:14 AM
sadly I think she was a bit dull for him, but he needed a consort for his new Kingdom and she was supported by the Romanov's
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on October 15, 2008, 12:21:11 PM
Love those kind of portraits!Big and beautiful!Thank you!
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Post by: Empress_Catherine on October 15, 2008, 06:13:56 PM
I suppose she had that "sad" look on her face because her husband Ferdinand was homosexual. He was known  as "foxy Ferdinand" because it was well known he was gay and he hand many affairs. Poor woman!
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Svetabel on October 16, 2008, 12:24:41 AM
I suppose she had that "sad" look on her face because her husband Ferdinand was homosexual.

If you glance at the photos of her in youth you'll see that she always had that sad look and in fact such gloomy features. Very depressive look all her life I'd say.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: synnadene on October 21, 2008, 05:26:15 AM

(http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp118/TristesDestinos/MIXED%20PRINCESSES/1509A04.jpg)

(http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp118/TristesDestinos/MIXED%20PRINCESSES/66967.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Mari on October 21, 2008, 11:17:17 PM
And yet the last couple  photograph looks as though they were close? Did they get along well?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on December 14, 2008, 05:12:27 PM
I have read that Eleonore of Reuss-Köstritz was married twice. Tsar Ferdinand I of Bulgaria was actually her second husband. Does anyone knows if she was truly married twice and if she was who was her first husband. Does anyone have pictures of Eleonore of Reuss-Köstritz parents.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on December 14, 2008, 07:37:46 PM
Who was he?Where did you read that?I would also like to see pictures of her parents...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Svetabel on December 15, 2008, 08:28:46 AM
I have read that Eleonore of Reuss-Köstritz was married twice. Tsar Ferdinand I of Bulgaria was actually her second husband.

Could you please name a source of that info?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Mari on December 16, 2008, 12:15:55 AM
Wonderful Photographs! I also wonder if perhaps She may have wanted Children and this added to the attraction of the Marriage! In that era to be 48 and unmarried I think the Options were limited.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 18, 2008, 08:47:56 AM
Aaa yes i heard this... It's some sort of depressing... I don't know do you understand me... i mean when your sisters are normal women like you it's much easy to speak with them about for example husband.... because the passed this and they can give advice if they are older
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2008, 11:33:17 AM
Also having Princess Clementine of Coburg as your mother-in-law.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Svetabel on December 18, 2008, 12:24:04 PM
Your sister is Empress she have her own life and you feel like you are all alone in other country

Don't forget Marie Louise died when that Empress was 7 years old and even didn't know that she would be an Empress.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marlene on December 18, 2008, 01:39:18 PM


What?  Zita was a child when her half-sister died.  You have to understand that these personages did not have normal lives.  They largely did not confide in each other about marital issues.  Marie Louise was raised to marry and have babies, but she probably knew very little about sex before the wedding night.   ... She had little choice in marriage apart from the fact that the marriage would be arranged and the groom Catholic.   Marie Louise was raised as a devout Catholic and knew little else. 
We now is definitely more hard for her... Your sister is Empress she have her own life and you feel like you are all alone in other country with a man which you don't like ( i think she didn't like him but not sure)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marlene on December 18, 2008, 01:46:22 PM


Ferdinand did not insiist that "the children" become Orthodox.  Boris was rebaptised as an toddler in the Orthodox faith.  The other three children remained Catholic.  Ferdinand's decision was political because Bulgaria was Orthodox.  This did not matter to Maria Luisa or her family - totally uncompromising, but the decision lead to a breach between Ferdinand and the RC church.  He was excommunicated. 

King Boris, when he married Giovanna of Savoy,  said he would raise the kids as Roman Catholic (as a conditiion for marrying Givoanna), but when Marie Louise was born in 1933, she was baptised Orthodox.  The RC church was not happy, but there was little they could do because Boris was Orthodox, and Giovanna's father was the king of Italy.   Simeon also married a RC - the first two sons were baptised Orthodox, but the latter three kids were baptised Roman Catholic.   All four sons married Roman Catholics, but Crown Prince Kardam's sons are Orthodox and he was married in an Orthodox service.

As a devout Catholic, Maria Luisa was heartbroken when Foxy insisted in the children becoming Orthodox.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on December 20, 2008, 03:56:06 PM
After Bulgaria became liberated in 1878 a new Prince was going to be chosen. According to the rules the Prince had to be approved by Russia. Prince Alexander I was approved by Russia, Tsar Ferdinand I was not approved by Russia. After Boris was born the Russian Emperor said he will recognize Ferdinand I as a legitimate ruler if he converts Boris into the Orthodoxy. Maria Luisa was devastated by the fact that Ferdinand I decided to convert Boris from the Catholic to the Orthodox faith. When she found out about this Maria Luisa throw her shoe at Ferdinand’s portrait. After the baptism was already a fact Maria Luisa decided to leave Ferdinand I and Bulgaria and move back home. Maria Luisa took her second son - Cyril with her and went back to Italy. However, her family wanted to avoid a scandal and made her change her mind and send her back to Bulgaria.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 21, 2008, 05:07:54 AM
Thank you all for the information...Indeed she return back to Italy... and because they didn't want to have big scandal (which was going to happen in my opinion) they send her back to here (Bulgaria) where she become more lonely... So where was better for her to live... In Bulgaria or in Italy?
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Post by: Princess Susan on January 22, 2009, 10:18:01 AM

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/ChildrenFerdBulg.jpg)

Children of Marie Louise and Ferdinand: Boris, Kyril, Eudoxia and Nadejda.
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Post by: Princess Susan on January 22, 2009, 10:24:06 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/YoungFerd2.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/FerdBuldTrad.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/FerdBulg.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/FerdAndEleonore.jpg)

Tsar Ferdinand and his second wife Eleonore.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on January 25, 2009, 04:10:40 PM
Her daughter Eudoxia:

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/Eudoxia.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/Eudoxia2.jpg)

And Nadejda:

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/Nadejda.jpg)
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Post by: Tina Laroche on January 26, 2009, 04:47:39 AM
Thanks for the photos, Princess Susan! And IrinaAlexandrovna, you're right, the costumes are a bit different now. :)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 26, 2009, 05:50:48 AM
Well before couple of years  i was tooking pictures with them..... Typical Bulgarian tradition :)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 26, 2009, 10:17:31 AM
Maria Luisa Pia Teresa Anna Ferdinanda Francesca Antonietta Margherita Giuseppina Carolina Bianca Lucia Apollonia of Bourbon, Princess of Parma(don't ask how i wrote it) in 1870, the eldest daughter of Robert I, Duke of Parma and his first wife, Princess Maria Pia of Bourbon-Two Sicilies. She was to be known by the relatively laconic title Marie-Louise. Her father and mother produced eleven more children before Maria Pia died in childbirth in 1882. Out of these first twelve, several were born with severe mental retardation. Later, Duke Roberto re-married and had twelve more children.

Nineteenth century European politics dictated that as a princess, she could best serve her family by marrying well and her father suitably arranged for her marriage to the then Prince of Bulgaria, Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Despite the fact that Marie-Louise and Ferdinand had never met prior to the day they became engaged, they were dutifully married on 20 April 1893 at the Villa Pianore in Lucca, Italy and wasted no time producing an heir, with son Boris born nine months and ten days later. Marie Louise gave birth to four children:

Boris III, Tsar of Bulgaria (1894-1943)
Prince Kyril of Bulgaria (1895-1945)
Princess Eudoxia of Bulgaria (1898-1985)
Princess Nadejda of Bulgaria (1899-1958), later married Duke Albert of Württemberg

The pity was that she died at age 29.... So young.... She died in Sofia....But Bulgaria still remember who she was.... And what she gave to Bulgaria.... One of the best tzars which we had....

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Post by: REMI on January 28, 2009, 08:31:17 AM

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/ChildrenFerdBulg.jpg)

Children of Marie Louise and Ferdinand: Boris, Kyril, Eudoxia and Nadejda.
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/19e8f19f.jpg)

 From left to right: Eudoxie, Cyrille, Boris et Nadejda in 1905

(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/74f19a80.jpg)

From left to right: Eudoxie, Cyrille, Boris et Nadejda in 1912

REMI
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Post by: REMI on January 28, 2009, 09:16:58 AM

ML, mother-in-law and son Boris

Boris child between his grandmother Clémentine d'Orléans  and his mother Marie-Louise de Bourbon-Parme : he is the first prince who descends from both King of France Charles X and King of French Louis -Philippe. In his veins flow the blood of two enemies: Bourbons et Orléans...

REMI
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Post by: Paola on January 29, 2009, 06:50:45 AM
Most of pictures I know of Marie Louise, she looks sad. I think she was very unhappy in her marriage to the difficult Ferdinand...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 29, 2009, 07:35:51 AM
Indeed she was sad.... It was unhappy marrige.... Probably thats why she died young... who knows..... To me she is trying by photos to show that she wasn't happy....
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Paola on January 29, 2009, 08:14:51 AM
I think she died after giving birth to her fourth child. This was the real cause of her death but I think she was also sad and depressed  and could be that she lost the will of life before she in fact died.  To me she always looked a bit ill and with fragile health. Could that she inherited some of the Bourbon Sicilies  maternal genes.
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Post by: Duke of New Jersey on February 23, 2009, 08:43:56 PM
As someone stated, many of her (Bourbon-Two Sicilies) aunts never saw 50:

Maria Annunziata m. Archduke Karl Ludwig of Austria: Died Age 28
Maria Immaculata m. Archduke Karl Salvator of Austria-Tuscany: Died Age 54
Maria Pia m. Robert I, Duke of Parma : Died Age 33
Princess Maria Luisa Immaculata m. Prince Henry of Bourbon-Parma, Count of Bardi: Died Age 19

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on March 07, 2009, 05:50:14 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/FBulg23.jpg)

Ferdinand in 1923.

Does anybody know, where it was taken?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on March 08, 2009, 07:16:46 AM
Nobody knows? :-(
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 16, 2009, 11:11:12 AM
I know where it was taken It is Varna or Burgas....

Some which i have...Thanks Susan for the ones they are rare to me.....

So Handsome Ferdinand If somebody want i know about each picture date and place
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_ferdinandzz9.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/ferdinandzz9.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_ferdinand-of-bulgaria.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/ferdinand-of-bulgaria.jpg)  (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_Ferdinand_v_Illustration_19_10_1912.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/Ferdinand_v_Illustration_19_10_1912.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_Ferdinand_of_Bulgaria.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/Ferdinand_of_Bulgaria.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_Ferdinand_Illustration_14_10_1905.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/Ferdinand_Illustration_14_10_1905.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_Ferdinand001.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/Ferdinand001.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_664f78f73c.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/664f78f73c.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_39pfoto.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/39pfoto.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_04298v.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/04298v.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_03.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/03.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 16, 2009, 11:13:02 AM
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_l3.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/l3.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_FerdinandI.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/FerdinandI.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_250px-Svilengrad-Ferdinand.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/250px-Svilengrad-Ferdinand.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on April 16, 2009, 11:31:40 AM
Wonderful photos!, thank you very much Elly!  :)
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 16, 2009, 12:13:11 PM
Quote
I know where it was taken It is Varna or Burgas....

I'm 100% sure it's Varna It's 8 km from Euxinograd
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on April 17, 2009, 08:58:24 AM
Thanks Irina for answer and photos. I pressumed, that it could be Varna, but wasn't sure.
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Post by: Labuanbajo on April 23, 2009, 10:55:14 AM
from "Crown of Thorrns", a biography of Boris by Stephane Groueff:

     "She [Giovanna] found Prince Kyril a pleasant and likeable man,
       but somewhat phlegmatic, without his brother's and sister's
       quick minds and intellectual curiosity. Somehow she had the
       feeling that he was uncomfortable alone in her company."


      "Boris also kept his brother out of public affairs, although Kyril
        lived in the palace without much to do."

      "... Boris, worried about him and his future, was annoyed by
       the gossip in the foreign press about his brother's debts, his
       nightclubbing and his girlfriends."
       
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on June 23, 2009, 12:31:31 PM
And here is Part Two
Ferdinand
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_2163853894_ddb30b989a.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/2163853894_ddb30b989a.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_2284348512_df26eb5f08.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/2284348512_df26eb5f08.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_2515737727_2d7c8375dc.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/2515737727_2d7c8375dc.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_2515739919_c0c7736334.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/2515739919_c0c7736334.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_2516560866_9fc8d07066.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/2516560866_9fc8d07066.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_2516563568_dc03227071.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/2516563568_dc03227071.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_2685491256_fe12c95b3a.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/2685491256_fe12c95b3a.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_2830850188_4a72ab468c.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/2830850188_4a72ab468c.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_2961425920_07af2674f8.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/2961425920_07af2674f8.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_3120296775_4a24650d51.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/3120296775_4a24650d51.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_3201071489_8a53eb91f7.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/3201071489_8a53eb91f7.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on August 07, 2009, 11:36:21 AM
"Crown of Thorns" is incredible book ....Also from the book "Tsar Boris III -The Palace and Secret Studyroom" i found that his most beloved and close sister Eudoxia didn't get along with the tsarina....So when their second child came ....Eudoxia had to leave the palace and there was bild a house for her....
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on August 14, 2009, 02:07:36 PM
Father with children
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_7578.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/7578.jpg)

Ferdinand and his sons
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_9865.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/9865.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on August 14, 2009, 02:24:54 PM
OK so i will continue with Part Three
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_2-1.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/2-1.jpg)(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_5566.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/5566.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_86214.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/86214.jpg)(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_8625.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/8625.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_fe2.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/fe2.jpg)(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_9753.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/9753.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_648.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/648.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_64289.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/64289.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_4907.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/4907.jpg)
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on September 07, 2009, 06:35:19 AM
I have never seen those before....If someone have them bigger and clear post please
Eudoxie
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_1748100.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/1748100.jpg)

Eudoxie and Nadejda
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_web-2_7.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/web-2_7.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on September 08, 2009, 02:52:13 PM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/FerdBulgAndChildren.jpg)
With his wife Eleonore, and daughters Eudoxia and Nadejda.

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/BorisKyril.jpg)
His Sons Boris and Kyril as boys.

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/kyrilofbulgaria.jpg)
Prince Kyril.

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/Eudoxia_of_Bulgaria.jpg)
Princess Eudoxia.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on September 08, 2009, 04:38:27 PM
Yes here are some others...
From the detail you posted,Eudoxia
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_2336422479_773c70f351_o.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/2336422479_773c70f351_o.jpg)

Nadejda rarely seen the full one with the beautiful dress...only cropped
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_6a2bdbbe_bg1916prnadejdasgndpc.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/6a2bdbbe_bg1916prnadejdasgndpc.jpg)
From their childhood on the balcony and later in the Garden of Sofia's palace
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_m197501124313.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/m197501124313.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_m197501115723.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/m197501115723.jpg)

Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on September 12, 2009, 07:02:34 PM
O my when i look in my old post i feel awfuly stupid...after reading so much about Maria Luisa i want to give my real opinion now.

Ok so in my opinion Maria Luisa was heart broken when spiritual her son Boris was taken away and she even fainted for two hours...This was something which she never forgive to Ferdinand none that the rest of her children were Catholic believers.Her life wasn't so sad as many claimed... And on the question would she prefer to live in Italy or Bulgaria..I would say that Italy remains her native country but Bulgaria was the duty and other country which she loved with all of her heart and took charity in it... She died day after Nadejda's birth..and here is photo of her on dyeing bed
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_p9260030-1.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/p9260030-1.jpg)
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Post by: Marlene on December 10, 2009, 03:09:55 PM
when did Kyril and Eudokia return to Bulgaria? I''ve read somewhere that Giovanna wanted him to marry her sister Maria but Mussolini " reserved her for Otto, as Queen of Hungary". Did Nadejda visit her siblings often? Anyone info on her grandson Patrick de la Lanne Grinnell-Milne b 1962.

Patrick de la Lanne is the mayor of Delmenhorst.  He was apparently raised by a foster family.http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2008/10/german-mayor-has-royal-connections.html



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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 24, 2009, 04:34:05 PM


I have never seen a photo of Queen Eleonore in her 20's or 30's .... what should i say about a picture of her as children.... I've only seen photos of her where she is already in... middle age... 40s 50s .... So if someone have i would love to see....
These are my gueses about how should look...
Eleonore's most famous photo:
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_Eleonoreofbulgaria.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/Eleonoreofbulgaria.jpg)

Maybe she looked something like Sophie Chotek?
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_Sophie.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/Sophie.jpg)

Or this lovely lady?
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_ok5shc.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/ok5shc.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on December 26, 2009, 08:44:44 AM
Impressive collection of photos and portraits of Czar Ferdinand and his family. Thank you very much !
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Post by: Svetabel on December 29, 2009, 05:06:44 AM


I have never seen a photo of Queen Eleonore in her 20's or 30's .... what should i say about a picture of her as children.... I've only seen photos of her where she is already in... middle age... 40s 50s .... So if someone have i would love to see....


I think the photos of young Eleonore are quite rare and can't be found around the I-net. I've never came across such images, the Reuss clan was very large but only a small part of them was well-known.
If speaking about the Reuss iconography then there is a photo of Eleonore's mother, Luise Reuss-Greitz (by 1st husband Princess of Saxe-Altenburg) somewhere on gettyimages.com. Also 2-3 pictures of her brother Heinrich XXIV can be found by googling. There is her sister Elisabeth (1865-1937) in the Eleonore's wedding photo (groupshot of wedguests). Also she had half-brother Albert and half-sister Marie of Saxe-Altenburg, their pictures are rare as well but can be found in I-net.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 08, 2010, 11:58:36 AM
young Ferdinand. Courtesy of "Les Hussards" webpage

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2n9xlop.jpg)
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Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on January 08, 2010, 12:28:32 PM
Tsar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and Kaiser Karl I of Austria.

(http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/2504/2861013530101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2861013530101857556riWltj)
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Post by: Marc on January 08, 2010, 06:35:32 PM


I have never seen a photo of Queen Eleonore in her 20's or 30's .... what should i say about a picture of her as children.... I've only seen photos of her where she is already in... middle age... 40s 50s .... So if someone have i would love to see....


I think the photos of young Eleonore are quite rare and can't be found around the I-net. I've never came across such images, the Reuss clan was very large but only a small part of them was well-known.
If speaking about the Reuss iconography then there is a photo of Eleonore's mother, Luise Reuss-Greitz (by 1st husband Princess of Saxe-Altenburg) somewhere on gettyimages.com. Also 2-3 pictures of her brother Heinrich XXIV can be found by googling. There is her sister Elisabeth (1865-1937) in the Eleonore's wedding photo (groupshot of wedguests). Also she had half-brother Albert and half-sister Marie of Saxe-Altenburg, their pictures are rare as well but can be found in I-net.

True,I would also like to see "young Eleonore"...I only have one photo of her...I assume it was at around the time of her marriage because she is wearing a veil and a tiara that I haven't seen anywhere else...if someone wants I will search for it and scan it...
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Post by: Marc on January 08, 2010, 08:23:38 PM
I was watching that picture of Eleonore now and saw that she is wearing the same design of Wreath tiara as Princess Helena and her daughter Feodora of Denmark had...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 09, 2010, 05:28:24 AM
If you are speaking about picture from her first marriage i would love to see it....
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on January 09, 2010, 07:28:25 AM
Well,I really don't know the occasion because it doesn't say anything..I was searching her pictures on the web and saw that on her marriage she was dressed similarly but wearing a small crown or her fringe tiara on another picture...on this one I have she is dressed almost the same,has almost the same jewels around her neck but wearing this wreath tiara and somehow looks younger...at least to me ;)
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 09, 2010, 07:42:04 AM
Well you got my interest....i would love to see the picture

These are from her wedding with Ferdinand:
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_2165888619_b74d055d66_o.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/2165888619_b74d055d66_o.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_Eleonora_Reuss-Kstritz.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/Eleonora_Reuss-Kstritz.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_s79-6.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/s79-6.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on January 09, 2010, 08:10:17 AM
If you are speaking about picture from her first marriage i would love to see it....

Pardon me, Eleonore's first marriage??? The marriage to Ferdinand was first and last for her.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 09, 2010, 08:57:46 AM
"Многократно след това царица Елеонора заявява, че е била обречена на България, тъй като първият ѝ съпруг, принц Кьостриц, е бил един от претендентите за българския престол след овакантяването му от княз Батенберг."

"Many times after this Tsaritsa Eleonora was saying that she was doomed to live in Bulgaria,since her first husband,Prince Kstritz was one of the pretenders for the Bulgarian throne after Knyaz Battenberg"

It's a quote from a book ....So if it's wrong i apologize :)
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Post by: Marc on January 09, 2010, 10:53:00 AM
Well you got my interest....i would love to see the picture

Here it is...I have never seen this tiara in Bulgarian family...it is very similar to one of Denmark wreath tiara:


(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Elbul.jpg)


And here is a picture of Princess Helena of Denmark with similar tiara just for comparison:


(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/HelDen.jpg)
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 09, 2010, 11:25:00 AM
Well she is not obviously young girl here but the picture is new to me...Thank you...

And yes i haven't seen this tiara in the Bulgarian Royal family...Could it be indeed German?The tiara is the same one which Helena of Denmark is wearing
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on January 09, 2010, 11:53:13 AM
Well,obviously not but to me she just looks a bit younger than in the pictures of her marriage... ;)

Don't know about the tiara...I don't think that it is the same tiara but looks very similar!I think that the stone in the center of Eleonore's tiara(of course it can be replaced) matches her necklace,while Helena's tiara is all diamonds...
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Post by: Svetabel on January 09, 2010, 11:56:34 AM
"Многократно след това царица Елеонора заявява, че е била обречена на България, тъй като първият ѝ съпруг, принц Кьостриц, е бил един от претендентите за българския престол след овакантяването му от княз Батенберг."

"Many times after this Tsaritsa Eleonora was saying that she was doomed to live in Bulgaria,since her first husband,Prince Kstritz was one of the pretenders for the Bulgarian throne after Knyaz Battenberg"

It's a quote from a book ....So if it's wrong i apologize :)

Definitely the book is wrong ; ) . Eleonore was born Princess Reuss-Kostritz, probably one of her relatives was a pretender to Bulgarian throne.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 09, 2010, 12:08:18 PM
Well,obviously not but to me she just looks a bit younger than in the pictures of her marriage... ;)

Don't know about the tiara...I don't think that it is the same tiara but looks very similar!I think that the stone in the center of Eleonore's tiara(of course it can be replaced) matches her necklace,while Helena's tiara is all diamonds...

Yes she looks bit younger.....
It looked almost the same to me....Still i'm sure it's not Bulgarian one....


Definitely the book is wrong ; ) . Eleonore was born Princess Reuss-Kostritz, probably one of her relatives was a pretender to Bulgarian throne.
[/quote]

I believe it's true....
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on January 27, 2010, 03:09:03 PM
Eleonore in court dress :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/Royal%20Family%20of%20Bulgaria/eleonorebulgarien.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on January 28, 2010, 06:17:32 AM
Love this photo...she looks so serious and regal...my photo from the previous page must have been from the either the same photo session or even a a close-up!She is wearing the same jewels and tiara...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 28, 2010, 10:57:54 AM
I had to post this session months ago when i found it but i thought they are well known.So here you go:
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_m197501124341.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/m197501124341.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_m197501115581.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/m197501115581.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_m197501115580.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/m197501115580.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_m197501115577.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/m197501115577.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_m197501115578.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/m197501115578.jpg)


Ferdinand and Eleonore
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_ferd1bulgaria1861-11.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/ferd1bulgaria1861-11.jpg)
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 31, 2010, 06:14:37 AM
Today is anniversary 111 years from the death of Princess Marie Louse Bourbon Parma ,Princess of Bulgaria.Died only on 29 years  on 31th January 1899
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_Scan10023.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/Scan10023.jpg)
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Post by: Georges duke of Kent on February 03, 2010, 09:18:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mEP7m67G54&NR=1

He was a gentleman in his own way might I say. I think he add good humor but he was surounded with spinsters and narrow minded person.
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Post by: KarlandZita on February 05, 2010, 11:13:46 AM
Wedding of Princess Nadeja with Duke Albrecht Eugen of Wurtemberg  :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/Royal%20Family%20of%20Bulgaria/wednadejaalbrechteugenwurtemberg192.jpg)
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 19, 2010, 08:11:13 AM
MUCH better quality:
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_1932.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/1932.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on February 19, 2010, 10:21:26 AM
Thank you for this better version!!!

Here is a quote for guests:

"The marriage of Prince Ferdinand of Bulgaria to Princess Eleanor of Reuss-Kostritz was celebrated according to the Roman Catholic rite at Coburg and was repeated according to the Protestant rite at Gera, in the chapel of Castle Osterstein. The royal wedding party here shown, reading from left to right, are: (TOP ROW) Duke John Albert, Regent of Brunswick; Princess Feodora Reuss, Princess Sophia Reuss, Prince Henry Reuss XXXII, Duke Charles Edward of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Prince August Wilhelm of Prussia; (SECOND ROW) Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Prince Hugo of Dietrichstein, Count Mensdorff, Prince Ernest of Hohenlohe-Lanenburg, Duke Gunther of Schleswig-Holstein, Grand Duke Vladimir of Russia, Princess Ida Reuss, Princess of Stolberg-Wernigerode, Prince Philipp of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Princess Marie of Saxe-Altenburg, Princess Reuss-Kostritz, Princess Sybilla Reuss-Kostritz, Princess Olga of Saxe-Altenburg, Princess Regina Reuss-Kostritz, Prince Henry Reuss XVIII; (THIRD ROW) Prince Henry Reuss XXXIII, Prince Reuss-Kostritz, Hereditary Prince Henry Reuss XXVII, Princess Dora of Schleswig-Holstein, Grand Duchess Vladimir of Russia, the bride, the bridegroom, Princess Elizabeth Reuss; (FOURTH ROW) Prince Hermann of STolberg-Wernigerode, Prince Henry Reuss XXXIV, Prince Henry Reuss-Kostritz XXXIX, Prince Henry Reuss-Kostritz XLI, Prince Henry Reuss XXXV, Prince of Stolberg-Wernigerode."
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 13, 2010, 02:00:06 PM
Boris and brother Kyrill

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2vdle1k.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 13, 2010, 02:02:05 PM
The four siblings

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4514/childrenferdbulg.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 15, 2010, 02:01:15 PM
Eleonore in nurse uniform

(http://i39.tinypic.com/200brlz.jpg)
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on March 15, 2010, 03:26:41 PM
You are re-posting,but still i think it's lovely photo taken in Germany,Berlin in 1917(?)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 16, 2010, 09:59:45 AM
i had no clue since its not my main interest the bulgarian royal family =)

Ferdinand (I love the artsy pose) 

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbagbs.jpg)
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on March 16, 2010, 01:58:44 PM
Yes it was close to my mind (:

Last one taken at Sofia,1918 from Boncho Karaivanov (:
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Post by: KarlandZita on April 09, 2010, 11:51:35 AM
Wedding of Princess Nadeja with Duke Albrecht Eugen of Wurtemberg  :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/Royal%20Family%20of%20Bulgaria/wednadejaalbrechteugenwurtemberg192.jpg)

Another picture of the wedding :

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6779/nadalbrechtwurtemberg24.th.jpg) (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/nadalbrechtwurtemberg24.jpg/)
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Post by: KarlandZita on April 17, 2010, 08:30:13 AM
Boris and Kyrill :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_498451bokyr.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=498451bokyr.jpg)

Queen Eleonore with Princesses Eudoxie and Nadejda :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_162471eudonadejaeleo.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=162471eudonadejaeleo.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 23, 2010, 09:54:03 AM
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7636/ferdinanditsarferdinandvo8.jpg)
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Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on April 23, 2010, 10:44:52 AM
Wonder if he rather would have wanted to be Grand Duke of Finland instead of Tsar of Bulgaria, given his predelection for blond men.... :-)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 23, 2010, 10:49:46 AM
Might be...Much has talked about that part of his life. Not much has been documented on a single lover he did.
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Post by: Paul on April 23, 2010, 11:23:23 AM
Might be...Much has talked about that part of his life. Not much has been documented on a single lover he did.

Whether it was true or not, the man certainly had a real flair!

Did he & Queen Marie of Romania ever actually meet? I can only imagine a behind-the-scenes dinner.... ::)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 23, 2010, 02:22:56 PM
Yes. I would think so. He did have a tiff with Missy's sister Ducky about who is going out first. You can see it on youtube...
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 24, 2010, 05:11:41 AM
x) Typical for Ferdinand...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 24, 2010, 02:38:41 PM
Yes. Glad Ducky was still able to smile while Foxy got insude the car ahead of her and Kira.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 25, 2010, 01:54:54 AM
It's like you enjoy the nickname "Foxy'' .It's one of my favourites too ,but i also prefer how the children mostly called him "The Monarch"
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 27, 2010, 01:36:58 PM
Multiple portraits

(http://i41.tinypic.com/eil4ic.jpg)
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on May 01, 2010, 01:35:02 PM
Can someone tell me more about this Elizabeth Brezec?Ferdinand wanted to marry her...I havent seen a picture of her...
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 24, 2010, 09:24:27 AM
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6195/ferdie.jpg) (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/ferdie.jpg/)

From the ANNO
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 17, 2010, 08:17:32 AM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/al57ye.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 27, 2010, 10:08:21 AM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/futmdj.jpg)
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 27, 2010, 11:45:33 AM
I would love to know something about Ferdinand's relationship to his sisters Clotilde and Amalie. Are there any photos of Ferdinand and his sisters? I've seen three or four pictures of the whole Coburg family when he was still very young, but none of an adult Ferdinand and some of his family members. I guess he was quite close to his mother Clémentine, right?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 12, 2010, 08:06:40 AM
Ferdinand with Gd Vladimir Alexandrovich and Gd Boris Vladimirovich

(http://i30.tinypic.com/5lxizb.jpg)

Detail

http://i30.tinypic.com/5lxizb.jpg
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Post by: Veronica on July 12, 2010, 02:40:16 PM
Ferdinand with sister Klotilde and brother Philippe.
Standing: Philippe, Boris of Bulgaria, Leopold of Saxe Coburg and Kyrill of Bulgaria.
Sitting: her niece Elisabeth Henriette, Ferdinand and Klotilde

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7453/copiadeclotildecoburgyf.jpg)
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on July 31, 2010, 10:36:58 AM
Ferdinand with his mother Clementina infront of the Palace in Sofia ,together with people from the palace,around 1900
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_2865.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/2865.jpg)
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Post by: Dru on September 25, 2010, 07:27:50 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4146/5024633902_5d130a0392_b.jpg)

Nadejda.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/5024633900_66bc8abe3d_z.jpg)

Eudoxia.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4083/5024633894_f7df822caa_z.jpg)

Nadejda and Eudoxia.
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Post by: Dru on September 27, 2010, 06:54:41 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5031061337_a739e2bf56.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/5031061333_8b62294f63.jpg)

Eudoxia.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 28, 2010, 07:05:25 AM
Nadejda

(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5578/a3w476.jpg) (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/a3w476.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on October 09, 2010, 03:49:45 AM
Lovely one of Eudoxia,Katenka :)

In the monastery "Свети Преображение"-Veliko Turnovo -22 September 1909
Tsar Ferdinand, the government of Alexander Malinov and the generals after the official lunch in honour of the day of Independence of Kingdom Bulgaria.
From right to left on the first line:
Tsar Ferdinand,Tsaritsa Eleonora,Knyaz Kiril, Knyaz Boris, if i'm not wrong the next one is General Stefan Paprikov,
From left to right second line:
Mihail Takev,Alexander Malinov,Andrei Lyapchev,Nikola Mushanov,
And third line: Dimitur Stanchov
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_3011.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/3011.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 25, 2010, 12:47:18 PM
Family Portrait in traditional bulgarian costume

(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7381/28417130847767653413683.jpg) (http://img209.imageshack.us/i/28417130847767653413683.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Dru on December 07, 2010, 06:37:02 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5284/5242112685_cf0796d2ce_z.jpg)

Eudoxia.
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Post by: Dru on March 05, 2011, 05:29:22 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5259/5500316763_546686c1ff_z.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5096/5500316767_98e0a47031_z.jpg)

Nadejda
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 07, 2011, 08:39:57 AM
(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/8729/k04901.jpg) (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/k04901.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 25, 2011, 08:37:31 AM
Nadejna and Eudoxia. Courtesy of lostbulgaria.com

(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4240/2495e.jpg)

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Post by: Dru on July 13, 2011, 06:29:52 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6020/5934841673_e5c1f876ae_b.jpg)

Eudoxia and Nadejda.
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Post by: Dru on July 22, 2011, 09:01:12 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6022/5965864358_c78d6d3bce_z.jpg)

Children of Tsar Ferdinand.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6146/5965864362_fa201525ef_z.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6126/5965864348_15fa58f8db_z.jpg)

Eudoxia and Nadejda.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 23, 2011, 08:50:56 AM
an amazing portrait of Maria Luisa

(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/8900/4a6039a591d8bmluizaport.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/638/4a6039a591d8bmluizaport.jpg/)

 

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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 15, 2011, 08:07:41 AM
Portrait of Ferdinand, Sadly, i cant read the name of the artist

(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1062/sdjgpsrj.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/sdjgpsrj.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Dru on December 17, 2011, 10:59:24 AM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6518300533_2e8e5c024a_b.jpg)

Eudoxia and Nadejda.
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Post by: Marc on December 17, 2011, 05:24:28 PM
I would love to see color portraits of Eudoxia and Nadejda...wonder do they even exist :(
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 18, 2011, 07:58:06 AM
Ferdinand. via lostbulgaria.com

(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8381/4216.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/4216.jpg/)

 
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Post by: beladona on January 05, 2012, 03:15:06 AM
Can someone tell me more about this Elizabeth Brezec?Ferdinand wanted to marry her...I havent seen a picture of her...

Here is an interview with Alzbeta Brezakova (in slovak language, with photo of an old lady). She said that she married Ferdinand in Bamberg in 1947 in a secret marriage. It´s for the first time I see these information - it was never mentioned in any genealogy...
http://zivot.lesk.cas.sk/clanok/7631/platonicke-manzelstvo-posledny-bulharsky-kral-sa-ozenil-so-slovenkou.html (http://zivot.lesk.cas.sk/clanok/7631/platonicke-manzelstvo-posledny-bulharsky-kral-sa-ozenil-so-slovenkou.html)
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Post by: Kalafrana on January 05, 2012, 05:55:56 AM
Ferdinand died on 20 September 1948, and was never much interested in women by all accounts, which makes this a rather unlikely tale. He was also 86 at the time.

If there is any truth in the claim, I think the lady must have been a gold digger!

Ann
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Post by: Dru on January 21, 2012, 02:46:47 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7022/6737934065_78aac1af7c.jpg)

Eudoxia.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6737946773_d0d04684a9.jpg)

Nadejda.
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Post by: Dru on January 21, 2012, 02:48:01 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6737946045_82826105e9_z.jpg)

Nadejda.
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Post by: Dru on February 08, 2012, 11:37:48 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7175/6844944267_3d243fbd33_z.jpg)

Nadejda.
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Post by: Dru on May 17, 2012, 03:57:19 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/7217742984_d48868e004_b.jpg)

Tsar Ferdinand's first wife, Maria Louisa of Bourbon-Parma, on horseback.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7073/7217744140_989f7068ba_b.jpg)

Ferdinand and Maria Louisa.
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Post by: KarlandZita on May 19, 2012, 08:22:56 AM
Joanna visiting her homeland with her father Victor Emmanuel III and sister Maria :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/541909giomariareve.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=541909giomariareve.jpg)
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Post by: Kalafrana on May 19, 2012, 12:30:01 PM
Who is the lady on the far left who absolutely dwarfs Victor Emmanuel (he was barely 5ft tall)?

Ann
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Post by: Svetabel on May 19, 2012, 01:51:29 PM
Who is the lady on the far left who absolutely dwarfs Victor Emmanuel (he was barely 5ft tall)?

Ann

Looks like Duchess Elena Aosta. She was VERY tall.
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Post by: Marc on August 15, 2012, 05:12:52 PM
Portrait of Eudoxia,unfortunately black and white :(

http://www.desant.net/files/tn/134380815751645.jpg
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Dru on October 20, 2012, 07:59:50 PM
Better version of the Eudoxia portrait, along with one of Nadejda.  Still not in color, unfortunately.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8327/8107070240_ebd5e43580_b.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8331/8107061273_8378ed71b1_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on October 21, 2012, 07:44:44 AM
Too bad there aren't any in color.I think that these black and white versions take out all enjoyment in these kind of portraits! :(
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Post by: Svetabel on November 26, 2012, 06:48:46 AM


I have never seen a photo of Queen Eleonore in her 20's or 30's .... what should i say about a picture of her as children.... I've only seen photos of her where she is already in... middle age... 40s 50s .... So if someone have i would love to see....


I think the photos of young Eleonore are quite rare and can't be found around the I-net. I've never came across such images, the Reuss clan was very large but only a small part of them was well-known.


A rare photo of Eleonore (before her marriage) and her 2 Reuss nieces, Sybille and Regina

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1902eleonrereusswithelisandsybillsherniecesreuss.jpg)
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Post by: MariaIIILuisa on March 22, 2013, 03:08:20 AM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/m1u7d.jpg)
This is litography from the French magazine L'Illustration. It is the quite infamous Tableau vivant "The Apotheosis".
Here is a description from the book Foxy Ferdinand \I have it only in Bulgarian, so it will be a bad traslation attempt\.
Quote
On Feb 1888 - Ferdinand's \F\ first birtday as a ruler of Bulgaria \BG\ (27 years old) princess Clementine \C\, his mother, organised a Tableau vivant \living picture\ in the palace. She summoned some of the ladies that her son had affection for, and day after day the rehearsed under her guidance. On the birthday at the palace was given a ball, on which appeared for the first time ambassadors of the countries that have recognized F for BG prince. In the big drawing room was made a stage. The curtain rised and revealed in the center C sitting in a big chair and dressed in white tule with the French fleur-de-lys embroidery and diamonds. She was leaning on white marble column with F's bust.
On the right side of the stage there was a group of 3 ladies in white, red and green gowns - the BG flag. One of the beauties was mrs Petrova (http://senzacia.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Sultana-Racho-Petrova-2.jpg) |rumoured to be one of F's lovers|. To the left were 2 ladies symbolizing the coat of arms of the Sax-Coburgs. Behind the bust was standing an angel in white clothing and was holding a crown of laurels above his head. That was the incredibly beautiful mrs Beltcheva (http://www.supernova.bg/images/Edna_balgarka/mara.jpg), a talented poetess, prince's last affair. In the middle was count Andres de Forrass, the new palace marshal, 60 years old bankrupted aristocrat from Savoy. Dressed with magnificent Byzantine robe, with crwon on his head, he symbolyzed the medieval BG kingdom and its csars, his finger pointed the bust and the meaning of that was "the past shows the way of the future". Up to him were the aids of the prince looking fierce and dressed in blue military uniforms, they were representing the BG army. In the legs of C were sitting young boys and girls in Bg folklore costumes from all the regions of BG. They sang the national anthem and the audience exploded in ovations. The prince was very touched, he went to his mother and fell on his knees to kiss her hand.
The picture, called later The Apotheosis, scandalized not only Sofia, but whole Europe

And saved for the very end, this is the original picture:
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2zyc21v.jpg)
Pix source stara-sofia.com
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Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 01, 2013, 06:10:15 AM
Portrait of Ferdinand from S. Radev's book.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2ypjiwj.jpg (http://i49.tinypic.com/2ypjiwj.jpg)

The wedding with Marie Louise:

(http://i47.tinypic.com/5y8305.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2zntyqx.jpg)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/348nl20.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 18, 2013, 03:20:33 AM
3 pictures from Euxinograd + one new of Marie Louise with baby \not sure which one exactly\.

(http://s14.postimg.org/glaxujhj1/g28.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/glaxujhj1/) (http://s14.postimg.org/6p9uuwbr1/l23.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6p9uuwbr1/) (http://s14.postimg.org/3jtuifiil/eleon.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3jtuifiil/) (http://s14.postimg.org/hrjj72v7h/tumblr_mkmopv_Zh6v1qzjmo0o1_500.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/hrjj72v7h/)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 18, 2013, 06:55:44 AM
Its Boris ;-)

Clementine with Boris, Kyrill and Nadezhda

(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1830/knyaginyaklementinastri.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/knyaginyaklementinastri.jpg/)
 

Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 19, 2013, 12:35:01 AM
Thanks for the wonderful picture. Such cuties.

These are popular pictures of Marie Louise and Eudoxia, but they are autographed. Found them again at some auction house.

(http://s21.postimg.org/j6339998z/image_asp.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/j6339998z/) (http://s21.postimg.org/8kj7x92xf/image_aspefergr.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/8kj7x92xf/)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on June 14, 2013, 02:55:21 AM
Some pictures from the book "Passions and scandals in royal Bulgaria" by Peter Velichkov, which I read recently. \not great quality as usual (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes007.gif)\

A new photograph (at least for me) of Maria Louisa and Ferdinand at their engagement.
(http://s23.postimg.org/kyjclo907/11052013425.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/kyjclo907/)

Maria Louisa at Euxinograd.
(http://s23.postimg.org/ylu07msgn/11052013422.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ylu07msgn/)

The actual photo of Ferdinand and Boris after the Orthodox baptism of the second. I've seen the lithography posted on the forums, but not the photo itself.
(http://s23.postimg.org/zds2t379z/11052013420.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/zds2t379z/)

A really funny caricature of the baptism. I just love Ferdinand's portrayal in the upper right corner. :-)
(http://s23.postimg.org/weprjpn6f/11052013423.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/weprjpn6f/)

This is Boris bathing at the Ohrid lake during the war, July 1917. Though the picture is not offensive, revealing or anything of that sort, he's not wearing clothes. You're warned.
http://postimg.org/image/5sdauqizb/

And the last one is postcard special for the 25 year anniversary of Ferdinand on the throne. Very stylish.
(http://s23.postimg.org/84gpel66v/Corbis_42_25696199.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/84gpel66v/)

Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on June 14, 2013, 07:07:54 AM
Agreed. nothing offensive to be seen. The intimate bits are neatly concealed by Boris's forearm.

Ann
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2013, 12:05:22 PM
Marie Louise was a sad figure...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on June 15, 2013, 01:57:50 AM
I wonder about the context for the nude picture of Boris. I see him as being at the lake with a bunch of army pals, and one of the pals took the picture as a joke. Boris has a look on his face as if he's been caught unawares.

Or perhaps it was his brother Kirill.

Ann
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on June 15, 2013, 04:33:59 AM
It looks like some sort of prank to me, too. But it also reminds me of that caught on tape euphoria of the soldiers when they reached the White sea during the first Balkan war \1 (http://www.lostbulgaria.com/pic3/5403.jpg), 2 (http://www.lostbulgaria.com/pic3/5402.jpg)\. Forgetting for a moment that they are actually on a war. Anyway, in the book there's no info on the picture, it is not even relevant to the story as it's part of the chapter about the royal wedding.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 15, 2013, 10:50:10 AM
Interesting. Love to hear the back story on the picture...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on August 30, 2013, 04:57:00 AM
(http://s8.postimg.org/lv0lvnc2p/Announcing_the_birth_of_Boris.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/lv0lvnc2p/) Announcing the birth of Boris
(http://s8.postimg.org/gkvn4crtt/Moleben_za_rojdenieto_na_Boris_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/gkvn4crtt/) A public prayer for the birth of Boris
(http://s8.postimg.org/l47vpv9pd/The_funeral_of_Maria_Luisa.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/l47vpv9pd/) The funeral procession of Maria Luisa
(http://s8.postimg.org/rgn0zpcrl/The_funeral_of_Eleonore_of_Bulgaria.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/rgn0zpcrl/) And of Eleonore   
(http://s18.postimg.org/pac1t54zp/J6311915173.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/pac1t54zp/) The princesses Eudoxia and Nadejda

Screencaps from a documentary about Queen Eleonore:
(http://s14.postimg.org/97kftos31/eleonore_portrait.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/97kftos31/) (http://s8.postimg.org/4vebujdnl/12_35_36.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4vebujdnl/) (http://s8.postimg.org/axlyl123l/12_36_50.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/axlyl123l/) (http://s14.postimg.org/nlntlfdwt/12_29_59.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/nlntlfdwt/) (http://s14.postimg.org/egfgrkai5/12_31_06.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/egfgrkai5/) (http://s14.postimg.org/q6te8y3al/12_31_11.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/q6te8y3al/) (http://s14.postimg.org/ty2yv9gz1/12_37_57.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ty2yv9gz1/)

Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on September 10, 2013, 04:45:26 AM
From a documentary about Ferdinand:

(http://s22.postimg.org/fmz4cmn4t/36ab93ee_003514_09_31_47.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/fmz4cmn4t/) (http://s22.postimg.org/xeaqr32jh/36ab93ee_007358_09_33_14.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/xeaqr32jh/) (http://s22.postimg.org/njjlkuyl9/36ab93ee_007563_09_33_29.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/njjlkuyl9/) (http://s22.postimg.org/nv11xmf19/36ab93ee_007614_09_33_46.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/nv11xmf19/)

They said something interesting about Ferdinand's father, August of Saxe-Coburg and Gotta. Until his death Ferdinand forbade anyone to even mention his father, because he was ashamed that August has spent the last days \years?\ of his life in a psychiatry. I couldn't find more info on that subject online \about August\. Could it be true?

And these are from Maria Luisa's short biography that I bought today.

Maria Luisa with her parents, Vienna, 1870
(http://s22.postimg.org/f2k39xtwd/Photo_0001.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/f2k39xtwd/)

1895
(http://s22.postimg.org/6muisfr19/Photo_0004.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6muisfr19/)

In the uniform of her second cavalry regiment, 1893
(http://s22.postimg.org/wtvpoe9b1/Photo_0006.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/wtvpoe9b1/)

With Ferdinand and princess Clementine at the Ebenthal palace, 1894
(http://s22.postimg.org/qiqi7z82l/Photo_0007.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qiqi7z82l/)



Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Dru on December 05, 2013, 11:32:20 PM
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2874/11231977504_b76c510b58_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3766/11232082323_d3e2a7739f_o.jpg)

Eudoxia.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Dru on December 05, 2013, 11:48:00 PM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3729/11232215193_b5c73bcf7d_o.jpg)

Nadejda.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Dru on December 06, 2013, 05:59:09 PM
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2839/11243719056_406210e661_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3800/11243787763_fc0d9e4ef7_o.jpg)

Nadejda.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on January 18, 2014, 05:22:33 AM
Some really nice portraits of Maria Luisa that I haven't seen before:

(http://s10.postimg.org/3po0qek45/12019335_001_m.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3po0qek45/) (http://s10.postimg.org/75g4zyhcl/12019336_001_m.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/75g4zyhcl/) (http://s10.postimg.org/7gxlcpxsl/12019337_001_m.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/7gxlcpxsl/) (http://s10.postimg.org/oy1p7tyl1/12019340_001_m.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/oy1p7tyl1/) (http://s10.postimg.org/y8dtbd9at/12019342_001_m.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/y8dtbd9at/)
(http://s10.postimg.org/wpif6e2qd/12019566_001_m.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/wpif6e2qd/) (http://s10.postimg.org/fjvro1idx/12019568_001_m.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/fjvro1idx/) (http://s10.postimg.org/7btu31qhh/12019571_001_m.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/7btu31qhh/) (http://s10.postimg.org/5lat1k8yd/12019572_001_m.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5lat1k8yd/) (http://s10.postimg.org/5b3ai7uc5/12019573_001_m.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5b3ai7uc5/)

The source is the newly digitalised Bulgarian state archives \link (http://archives.bg/photoarchives/)\.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on September 06, 2015, 12:47:08 PM
Portrait by Ivan Mrkvička, 1900

(http://www.nationalartgallerybg.org/upl/img/2120.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: boyar on September 30, 2015, 01:32:03 PM
(http://lovechmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/цар-борис-фердинанд-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Dru on October 24, 2015, 04:36:09 PM
(http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp181/Adini/eudoxia_zpspzdzo3wm.jpg)

Eudoxia.

(http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp181/Adini/nadejda_zpstol3dptb.jpg)

Nadejda.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on November 05, 2015, 07:19:33 AM
Are there any painted portraits of the two sisters?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Dru on November 05, 2015, 01:57:28 PM
Are there any painted portraits of the two sisters?

I have seen portraits in postcard format, but sadly, they were not in color...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on November 06, 2015, 07:13:46 AM
Are there any painted portraits of the two sisters?

I have seen portraits in postcard format, but sadly, they were not in color...

Thnx Dru :( very hard to find I suppose...maybe in some of Bulgarian royal residences something exists...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on November 06, 2015, 12:00:45 PM
Are there any painted portraits of the two sisters?

I couldn't find anything on the web but this small image. It's Eudoxia I think.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/15midtc.jpg)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Dru on November 06, 2015, 02:15:38 PM
That's the image I saw on in black and white on the postcard!  So beautiful--I wish we could see it larger, and one of Nadejda as well.  Thank you for sharing MariaIIILuisa!
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on November 07, 2015, 05:41:57 PM
Are there any painted portraits of the two sisters?

I couldn't find anything on the web but this small image. It's Eudoxia I think.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/15midtc.jpg)

Wow :) So happy to see it :) Thnx ...if you find of Nadejda also please post
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on November 25, 2015, 01:06:23 AM
Here's the portrait of Eudoxia in better quality - link (http://i67.tinypic.com/30bnxj4.jpg). The artist is Nikola Mihaylov. I found the image on Facebook in the profile of a man with amazing collection of photos. I couldn't go through all of it (because it's huge!), but I'm posting the link (https://www.facebook.com/tosho.peykov/photos_albums) if you are interested + some highlights:

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2j4c8j4_th.jpg) (http://i68.tinypic.com/2j4c8j4.jpg) (http://i68.tinypic.com/fxbj1l_th.jpg) (http://i68.tinypic.com/fxbj1l.jpg) (http://i66.tinypic.com/6hlr46_th.jpg) (http://i66.tinypic.com/6hlr46.jpg) (http://i63.tinypic.com/1zb46ex_th.jpg) (http://i63.tinypic.com/1zb46ex.jpg) (http://i67.tinypic.com/20f7yiu_th.jpg) (http://i67.tinypic.com/20f7yiu.jpg) (http://i65.tinypic.com/zyj2g5_th.jpg) (http://i65.tinypic.com/zyj2g5.jpg) (http://i66.tinypic.com/24fagdl_th.jpg) (http://i66.tinypic.com/24fagdl.jpg) (http://i67.tinypic.com/2csbcra_th.jpg) (http://i67.tinypic.com/2csbcra.jpg) (http://i64.tinypic.com/2rote7t_th.jpg) (http://i64.tinypic.com/2rote7t.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on November 28, 2015, 10:44:53 AM
Many thanks for the interesting link :)
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Dru on July 17, 2016, 06:59:46 PM
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/1/668/22418769186_f33c73203a_b.jpg)

Eudoxia.

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/1/781/21823623563_d8ab401e4f_b.jpg)

Nadejda.

Sorry--I just realized I already posted these.  Maybe a mod could delete this post?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on January 06, 2018, 02:35:35 AM
This year's Vienna New Year's Day Concert included a festival march written by Johann Strauss for the wedding of Ferdinand and Marie Louise in 1893.

Ann
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Post by: MariaIIILuisa on February 18, 2018, 05:33:28 AM
Strauss composed  two pieces: Festmarsch op. 452 ( march for Ferdinand) and Hochzeitsreigen op. 453 (waltz for Maria Luisa). Here (https://imgur.com/a/gqiMg) are the cover and the title page of the original Hochzeitsreigen.
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Post by: Превед on February 18, 2018, 06:28:44 AM
Hochzeitsreigen op. 453 (waltz for Maria Luisa)

A Reigen (round dance) in name only, apparently. Type "Reigen" into YouTube and you get an Austrian medieval dance troupe dancing to the Pippi Longstocking song :-): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zzQWtjMcHM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zzQWtjMcHM) BTW I think Pippi claiming her father was "the gay tsar of Bulgaria" would have worked just as good in these PC times as the original "negro king in the South Seas".
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on March 01, 2018, 04:42:30 PM
Are there any existing painted portraits of Nadezhda? Almost all other members have there portraits in Bulgarian palaces, but none of her. :(
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on February 26, 2019, 06:05:08 PM
I have read in Wikipedia:

"At the age of seventeen, Eleonore was engaged to Count Mark Alexandrovich Ospeni [ru]. The day after the engagement the Count was summoned to Russia because of the start of the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878). Count Ospeni is wounded after the battle at the village of Telish and later died from these wounds."

Does anyone knows who this Count Mark Alexandrovich Ospeni is? I couldn't find anything about him or his family, maybe due to wikipedia spelling...
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Превед on February 27, 2019, 11:14:57 AM
I have read in Wikipedia:

"At the age of seventeen, Eleonore was engaged to Count Mark Alexandrovich Ospeni [ru]. The day after the engagement the Count was summoned to Russia because of the start of the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878). Count Ospeni is wounded after the battle at the village of Telish and later died from these wounds."

Does anyone knows who this Count Mark Alexandrovich Ospeni is? I couldn't find anything about him or his family, maybe due to wikipedia spelling...

Wow, Marc! Super interesting with a Reuss-Russian match, even though it came to nought. Thanks for telling us. Based on the link in Eleonore English Wikipedia page to the family's Russian Wikipedia page, I can tell you that the family name Оспенный / Ospenniy is an adjective derived from оспа, smallpox. So it means "having to do with smallpox" (but not "pockmarked"). It was bestowed on the six-year-old commoner Alexander (Danilovich) Markov by Catherine the Great together along with hereditary nobility and arms showing a naked arm with a small cut and holding a rose in 1769 in recognition of him providing the material for the Empress' famous smallpox vaccination! So that's a rather unusual origin for a noble family! But I found no mention of any comital title.

BTW Eleonore's German Wikipedia page says she was, for a long time, a deaconess in Lübben (Sorbian: Lubin) in the Spreewald (Sorbian: Błota) in Lower Lusatia, which of course is and was a Sorbian-speaking community. I wonder if she picked up any Slavic language bits there which came in useful when she became Tsaritsa of Bulgaria? (She was born in what is within modern-day Poland, but her native village was most certainly German-speaking when she grew up.)
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Post by: Превед on February 27, 2019, 05:00:29 PM
Having tried to research any Counts Ospenniy, my conclusion is that there are no Counts Ospenniy, only an untiled noble family. A few Russian random websites refer to Catherine the Great conferring a comital title on the vaccine provider, but they most certainly exaggerate. Comital titles were severely limited and only conferred in rare circumstances (and never on commoners unless they had shown exceptional merit), while nobility was conferred rather liberally. Google Books give a few glimpses into noted German nobility genealogist Detlev Schwennicke's listing in "Europäische Stammtafeln" of the Ospenniys being "Orlov bastards". No idea where this claim comes from, but it's enticing when you know the connection between Catherine II and Count Orlov.

In a way the connection between Eleonore and this Ospenniy sounds a bit like romantic fabrication trying to link her destiny to Bulgaria, Bulgaria's protector Russia and her distant relative Catherine II as a pioneer nurse, considering that this alleged fiancé with his imperially vaccinated ancestry died in Bulgaria (Телиш) in a Russian war that resulted in Bulgaria's national liberation. Compare this to the claim in her Bulgarian Wikipedia article, which has her first cousin Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna the Elder visiting Sofia to attend the unveiling of the Statue of Alexander (II) the Liberator (of Bulgaria) in 1907 and recommending her unmarried Reuss relative to the widowed Tsar Ferdinand!

I hardly think a noble, but untitled Russian officer (presumably) would be considered a suitable match even for a minor Reuss princess. Perhaps that's the reason why the engagement (d'inclination?) only lasted one day? Perhaps her parents (and her cousin Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna) asked the Tsarist authorities to call him back to Russia to prepare for the war?
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on February 28, 2019, 04:56:36 AM
Thank you for an answer. I would also like to know more about the circumstances of this particular Reuss/Ospenniy engagement. Also, considering the fact that Reuss family were very "aware of themselves".

Svetabel wrote in another thread, regarding Reuss/Prussia marriage of Princesss Victoria Margaret and Prince Heinrich XXXIII Reuss(Eleonore's fist cousin) that her mother, Luise Sophie, sister of the Empress "didn't like a sophisticated surroundings of the Reuss Princes, as she considered them too arrogant and insisted that the life of her family was very simple and unpretentious."

Eleonore's father Heinrich IV Reuss and father of the groom in question(Heinrich XXXIII Reuss) Heinrich VII Reuss were brothers, so we are talking about the same family, which was "considered too arrogant". Princess Eleonore was born in Castle Trebschen:

http://www.henryvandevelde.pl/zdjecia/konferencja2007/von-der-bank/07.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trzebiech%C3%B3w,_Zielona_G%C3%B3ra_County

The castle looks rather grand, which points that Eleonore wasn't brought up like a minor Princess without any expectations, but perhaps because of her "looks", she wasn't very eligible and her parents saw first opportunity to marry her off. Also to note that her uncle Prince Heinrich VII Reuss was personal adjutant to Wilhelm I and was also the first ambassador of the new German Empire to St. Peterburg in Russia. So, beside Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna as her first cousin, Eleonore was very well connected and had links to almost everyone in one way or another.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Превед on February 28, 2019, 06:48:06 AM
Svetabel wrote in another thread, regarding Reuss/Prussia marriage of Princesss Victoria Margaret and Prince Heinrich XXXIII Reuss(Eleonore's fist cousin) that her mother, Luise Sophie, sister of the Empress "didn't like a sophisticated surroundings of the Reuss Princes, as she considered them too arrogant and insisted that the life of her family was very simple and unpretentious."

Interesting that Luise Sophie's family background (Danish, South German with a dash of British, reduced circumstances due to exile and some Prussian mehr sein als schein') contrasted with the Reuss' East Central German Duodez-style Standesdünkel.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on February 28, 2019, 05:20:03 PM
Interesting that Luise Sophie's family background (Danish, South German with a dash of British, reduced circumstances due to exile and some Prussian mehr sein als schein') contrasted with the Reuss' East Central German Duodez-style Standesdünkel.

Well, Reuss was one of the oldest ruling families in Europe and they might have been very well aware of this and behaved due to that fact, no matter how many there were and how small their territory was. They were also very well connected.

Btw, Queen Victoria's grandmother was Princess of Reuss-Ebersdorf, which means almost every Crowned Head in Europe in late 19th century descended from Reuss family. Charlotte of Saxe-Meiningen, granddughter of the German Emperor and great granddaughter of Queen Victoria married also Prince of Reuss-Köstritz. Eleonore's uncle Prince Heinrich VI was married to Princess Alexandrine von Sachsen-Weimar und Eisenach, who was grand-daughter of the King of the Netherlands and great-granddaughter of the Empreror of Russia. So, there were many important connections.
Title: Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
Post by: Marc on May 12, 2019, 12:51:28 PM
Group photo of Ferdinand and Eleonore's wedding taken in Castle Osterstein, owned by the Reuss family:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Hochzeit_des_F%C3%BCrsten_von_Bulgarien_auf_Schlo%C3%9F_Osterstein%2C_1908.jpg

Many identified royal guests can be seen in the photo.