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Title: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: xirbis on February 26, 2005, 09:18:43 PM
Hello everyone

Does anybody know where GD Sergei Michailovich, Georgi Michailovich and Dimitri Konstantinovich resided in St.Petersburg proper? And what about Petr Nicolaevich, Pavel Alexandrovich and all three Vladimirovichi (Kirill, Boris and Andrei)?
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Dominic_Albanese on February 27, 2005, 09:18:59 AM
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Hello everyone

Does anybody know where GD Sergei Michailovich, Georgi Michailovich and Dimitri Konstantinovich resided in St.Petersburg proper? And what about Petr Nicolaevich, Pavel Alexandrovich and all three Vladimirovichi (Kirill, Boris and Andrei)?

I believe that:
Dimitri Konstantinovich resided principally at Strelena Palace;

George Michailovich inherited the Mikhailovich Palace at the death of his father, GD Mikhail Nikolaievitch.  As I remember it this is an enormous palace so I wouldn't be surprised in Sergei lived there as well.  Remember that George had a place in the Crimea as well.

When Paul Alexandrovich returned from exhile he built a palace at Tsarksoe Selo.

I don't know where the Vladimirovichi lived other than the Grand Duke and Grand Duchess (Parents of the 3 boys) had the Vladimir Palace - another very large palace right in St. Petersburg.

Hope this helps - I'm sure that others will correct any mistakes I may have made.

dca
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Bolin on February 27, 2005, 11:50:15 AM
I think that GD Konstantine and his family resided at the Marble Palace when they were in St. Petersburg. In fact, I think Princess Vera was born there.
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Charles on March 02, 2005, 12:31:48 PM
Georgii Mikhailovich did not inherit Novo-Mikhailovskii on Palace Embankment upon the death of their father, his older brother Nikolai Mikhailovich did.  All three brothers--Nikolai, Georgii, and Sergei Mikhailovichi--lived together in Novo-Mikhailovskii; of course, in different parts.

As far as the Vladimirovichi:  Kiril had a palace on Glinka Street, Andrei had a palace on the English Embankment--28 English Embankment, and Boris had a palace in Tsarskoe Selo.
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: BobG on May 21, 2005, 06:07:55 AM
I just read in A Lifelong Passion that Anna Virubova first met Rasputin at Grand Duke Petr Nicolaevich and Militsa's palace on the English Embankment.
Does anyone know what Number the palace was?

Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Charles on May 21, 2005, 09:05:03 AM
Actually Petr Nikolaevich and Militsa Nikolaevna lived on Petrovskaia Embankment, near the St. P&P Fortress.
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: BobG on May 21, 2005, 09:15:18 AM
Charles
I knew that his brother Nicholas and his wife Anastasia lived in the palace he had built on the Petrovskaia Embankment.  Are you sure you're not thinking of him?
There are very few palaces on this embankment.
Bob
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Reco on May 23, 2005, 09:28:53 PM
(http://img290.echo.cx/img290/1556/pandreyvladimirovicht001200190.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)

GD Andrey Vladimirovicht (1879-1956) Palace 28 rue Brak or 28 English Embankment
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: BobG on May 24, 2005, 08:00:49 AM
Reco,
Thanks so much for the information and the pictures.
I knew about Andrei and Paul, but I'm still wondering where Petr Nicolaevich and Militsa lived on the English Embankment. Any information on them?
Bob G
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Charles on May 24, 2005, 05:06:14 PM
The palace that Petr Nikolaevich and his family lived in on the Petrovskaia Embankment is no longer there.  It was torn down in the 30s to make room for, I believe, the Comintern headquarters.
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: BobG on May 26, 2005, 07:56:52 AM
Charles,
I don't suppose you have a picture of Petr Nikolaevich's palace on the Petrovskaia Embankment?  
I was wondering if it was possible he first lived on the English embankment and then built a palace on the Petrovskaia Embankment? His brother built his palace around 1910, so Petr may have done the same.
Can you provide any further info?
Bob
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: gleb on May 28, 2005, 11:21:07 AM
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As far as the Vladimirovichi:  Kiril had a palace on Glinka Street


Any pic?

what is the precise adress?

If I am not wrong, Ducky said their palace hadn't been wasted during the revolution. So what is now used for?
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: BobG on May 28, 2005, 12:43:35 PM
Gleb,
Kiril and Ducky lived at Glinka Street, 13.
I don't have any pictures or know how it is being used, but if anyone can post them, I would love to see them and know its current use.
Bob G
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Mike on May 29, 2005, 01:48:53 PM
Here (http://www.statedevelopment.spb.ru/pix/files/3846952ab535a/s01410a_2.JPG) is the Kyril Vladimirovich's mansion (hardly a palace) at 13, Glinka St. It's very close to the Mariinsky Opera Theater. Prior to being purchased for GD Kyril, the building was used by the Imperial Society for the Blind. Now it houses a kindergarten and several business offices.
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: gleb on May 30, 2005, 11:55:19 AM
Thanks very much!!!

Anyway Kirill's palace is very very modest, but maybe he thought he should inherit the luxurious palace of his father. ;)
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: BobG on May 31, 2005, 06:21:48 AM
Mike,
I continue to be amazed at your ability to find wonderful pictures that seem so rare, like the Kiril & Ducky's mansion (You're right--not much of a palace.)
So,
any chance you know of a picture of Anglisky(English) Prospekt 18?  It's the house Nicholas supposedly bought for Mathilde Kshesinskaya and where he visited her.
Thanks
Bob G
PS in another thread, I just learned Nicholas first leased, then bought the house from Rimsky-Korsakov.
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: xirbis on June 14, 2005, 10:24:23 PM
 :)Greetings, everyone.

It is difficult to believe that all three Michailovichis - Nicolas, Georgii and Sergei shared the same palace on the Palace Embankment (Novo-Michailovskii Palace). Yes, it is huge - but - three adult men with their own little  GD courts, staff members, employees, etc., plus one of them is married with kids the while two others are eligible bachelors with their own well-developed lifestiles, habits, hobbies - all three of them in one house?
 I remember that years ago, while studying in St.Petersburg i happened to read an article in one of the Russian (Soviet then) historical periodicals -  cannot recall the periodical's name - about the February Revolution 1917 (The Fall of The Russian Monarchy). Particurlarly the artcle was concerned about the details of GD Michael Alexandrovich abdication. Having nothing to do with the architecture of Romanovs' residences as such, the authors of the article, however, tried to present a reader with a short "tour" along the Millionnaia Street (where in one of the upper class apartment buildings, at Prince Putijatin's apartment, the historical meeting between GD Michael and members of the Duma took place - tragically resulting in GD's abdication). To cut the story short - the apartment building was located somewhere between the Winter Palace and Novo-Michailovskii Palace. For whatever reason, a number of other buildings along the Millionnaija were mentioned by the author(s), with short descriptions. The building right across the Novo-Michailovskii Palace - through Millionnaja- was named as the Zapasnoi (Reserve) Novo-Michailovskii Palace. Unfortunately i do not remember the street address. The Novo-Michailovskii Palace proper is located between the Palace Embankment and the Millionnaia and the so-called Reserve Novo-Michailovskii Palace - right across the Millionnaja, being located between the Millionaja and the Moika Embankment.
I went there to see the "reserve" NM palace. It does not look like a palace - more like an apartment building - four- or five-storey high. But the exterior decor (Neo-Rococo) - is strikingly similar to the NM Palace across the street. It looks as if it was designed bu the same architect or, at least, the "reserve" one was modelled on the main palace.
Could it be that this "Reserve" NM Palace (if the authors of the article made no mistake) was a residence of one or two other Michailovichis, while the main NM Palace remained a residence of GD Nicolas Michailovich???
( i believe it was him who inherited the Palace after his father GD Michail Nicolajevich).

 
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Mike on June 23, 2005, 02:37:17 PM
The EIST site is functioning again, and we can see the modest two-story house at 18, Angliyskiy Prospect that was bought by the heir Nicholas for Matilda Kshesinskaya. However, she wasn't the first Romanov's ballet mistress to live there. Prior to her moving in, it belonged to prima-ballerina Anna Kuznetsova, a passion of GD Konstantin Nikolayevich who actually built the house for her.
(http://www.statedevelopment.spb.ru/pix/files/38452f5b2552b/i02325a_2.JPG)
As I've aready told BobG, I happened to be inside the house many times: it belongs to the Samoilova candy/chocolate factory (Georges Bormann prior to the revolution) where my wife used to work at a factory health clinic. The family members were allowed to come from time to time and eat as much sweets as they could. At that time nobody of the personnel seemed to know about the house's romantic past. Neither did I.
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Valmont on June 23, 2005, 05:54:12 PM
Mike,
Which one is it???... I s this another facade of the same house?.. It looks nothing  like the photo Brian posted... I am confused....
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Mike on June 24, 2005, 02:53:34 AM
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Mike,
Which one is it???... I s this another facade of the same house?.. It looks nothing  like the photo Brian posted... I am confused....

It's the two-story building in the middle. Which photo do you mean? May be one of Kshesinskaya's own mansion that she builded much later, close to the Peter & Paul fortress?
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: BobG on June 24, 2005, 05:25:28 AM
Mike,
Thanks so much for posting the picture.  It is such an important part of Nicholas II's history.  When you think of the nights he spent there--visiting Matilda "platonically."
Also, it gives us an idea of how Matilda moved her lovers to bigger and better houses as she became more well known.
Thanks again.
Bob
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: hikaru on June 24, 2005, 05:32:08 AM
Yes, but it was Matilda who earned money for her family in Paris.
I think that the Matilda became very modern woman before the revolution, which gave her the force to overcome those awful times.
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: BobG on October 08, 2005, 12:30:32 PM
I have been trying to find information on where GD Peter Nickokayevich lived in St. Petersburg.

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I just read in A Lifelong Passion that Anna Virubova first met Rasputin at Grand Duke Petr Nicolaevich and Militsa's palace on the English Embankment.
Does anyone know what Number the palace was?



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Actually Petr Nikolaevich and Militsa Nikolaevna lived on Petrovskaia Embankment, near the St. P&P Fortress.


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The palace that Petr Nikolaevich and his family lived in on the Petrovskaia Embankment is no longer there.  It was torn down in the 30s to make room for, I believe, the Comintern headquarters.


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according to Zoia Beliakova in ROMANOV ST PETERSBURG, this was the building in which Petr Nikolaevich (and family) rented 2 floors
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/places/petrnik2floorrental.jpg)



Does anyone have a sense of when Peter N. lived at each location?  Is there a picture ANYWHERE of the palace on the Petrovskaia Embankment?  Any help is greatly appreciated.
BobG
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: dp5486 on March 29, 2006, 05:20:48 PM
Does anyone happen to know the address of Grand Duke Nicholas "Nikolasha" Nikolaevich's palace on the Neva?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Svetabel on March 30, 2006, 12:24:32 AM
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Does anyone happen to know the address of Grand Duke Nicholas "Nikolasha" Nikolaevich's palace on the Neva?

Thanks!

Petrovskaya Quay, 2.
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: dp5486 on March 30, 2006, 09:52:35 AM
Thank you!
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: dp5486 on March 30, 2006, 10:05:09 AM
There are two pictures posted on here of palaces belonging to Grand Duke Dmitri Konstantinovich. Does anyone know their addresses and if he still owned them at the time of the Revolution (before all Imperial property was seized)?

I thought I read that he along with his niece and her children resided principally at Strelna Palace and Kishkine in the Crimea.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Svetabel on June 12, 2006, 09:49:31 AM
Possibly the answer is late but anyway. :)

Actually after the sale of Nikolayevskiy Palace GD Petr decided to build a new palace for his family, and in 1897 the foundation stone was laid (near the Troitskiy Bridge ). But  the Palace was never built. :(
 The Grand Ducal family rented 2 floors of the von Derviz mansion on English Embankment,34, and in 1904 moved to Fontanka, 22. In fact Petr's family lived in Petersbourg only in winters, springs and falls were spent in the Crimea, summers in Znamenka.
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Svetabel on June 12, 2006, 11:13:08 AM
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Does anyone happen to know the address of Grand Duke Nicholas "Nikolasha" Nikolaevich's palace on the Neva?

Thanks!

Petrovskaya Quay, 2.

The Palace of GD Nikolay Nikolayevich on Petrovskaya Quay,2.

In the 1990s

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/Image_4.jpg)

And in 1912.  In the foreground of the photo you can see Empress Alexandra Fedorovna and her daughters.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/Image_5.jpg)
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: NickNicholsonNYC on May 23, 2015, 08:53:49 AM
Hello everyone

Does anybody know where GD Sergei Michailovich, Georgi Michailovich and Dimitri Konstantinovich resided in St.Petersburg proper? And what about Petr Nicolaevich, Pavel Alexandrovich and all three Vladimirovichi (Kirill, Boris and Andrei)?

I know that I am late to the game, but as of 1912, the official St. Petersburg residences of the Grand Dukes were as follows (in order of precedence):

HIH Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich, The Anichkov Palace
HIH Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich, Glinka, 13
HIH Grand Duke Boris Vladimirovich, Quai de la Cour, 26
HIH Grand Duke Andrei Vladimirovvich, Quai Anglais, 28
HIH Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich, Quai Anglais, 68
HIH Grand Duke Dimitri Pavlovich, Nevsky, 41
HIH Grand Duke Nikolai Konstantinovich, (at Tashkent)
HIH Grand Duke Konstantin Konstantinovich, The Marble Palace
HIH Grand Duke Dimitri Konstantinovich, Strelna (No town residence)
HIH Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich, Quai de L'Empereur Pierre 7 & 60-83
HIH Grand Duke Peter Nikolaevich, Fontanka, 22
HIH Grand Duke Nikolai Mikhailovich Quai de la Cour 18-13
HIH Grand Duke Michael Mikhailovich, (At Ken Wood, Hampstead, London)
HIH Grand Duke George Mikhailovich, Quai de La Cour 18-15
HIH Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, Moika 104
HIH Grand Duke Sergei Mikhailovich, Quai de la Cour 18-17


Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: NickNicholsonNYC on May 23, 2015, 08:55:44 AM
:)Greetings, everyone.

 It is difficult to believe that all three Michailovichis - Nicolas, Georgii and Sergei shared the same palace on the Palace Embankment (Novo-Michailovskii Palace). Yes, it is huge - but - three adult men with their own little  GD courts, staff members, employees, etc., plus one of them is married with kids the while two others are eligible bachelors with their own well-developed lifestiles, habits, hobbies - all three of them in one house?
  I remember that years ago, while studying in St.Petersburg i happened to read an article in one of the Russian (Soviet then) historical periodicals -  cannot recall the periodical's name - about the February Revolution 1917 (The Fall of The Russian Monarchy). Particurlarly the artcle was concerned about the details of GD Michael Alexandrovich abdication. Having nothing to do with the architecture of Romanovs' residences as such, the authors of the article, however, tried to present a reader with a short "tour" along the Millionnaia Street (where in one of the upper class apartment buildings, at Prince Putijatin's apartment, the historical meeting between GD Michael and members of the Duma took place - tragically resulting in GD's abdication). To cut the story short - the apartment building was located somewhere between the Winter Palace and Novo-Michailovskii Palace. For whatever reason, a number of other buildings along the Millionnaija were mentioned by the author(s), with short descriptions. The building right across the Novo-Michailovskii Palace - through Millionnaja- was named as the Zapasnoi (Reserve) Novo-Michailovskii Palace. Unfortunately i do not remember the street address. The Novo-Michailovskii Palace proper is located between the Palace Embankment and the Millionnaia and the so-called Reserve Novo-Michailovskii Palace - right across the Millionnaja, being located between the Millionaja and the Moika Embankment.
I went there to see the "reserve" NM palace. It does not look like a palace - more like an apartment building - four- or five-storey high. But the exterior decor (Neo-Rococo) - is strikingly similar to the NM Palace across the street. It looks as if it was designed bu the same architect or, at least, the "reserve" one was modelled on the main palace.
 Could it be that this "Reserve" NM Palace (if the authors of the article made no mistake) was a residence of one or two other Michailovichis, while the main NM Palace remained a residence of GD Nicolas Michailovich???
 ( i believe it was him who inherited the Palace after his father GD Michail Nicolajevich).

  

Had to believe, but true.  The Mikhailovichis were the junior most branch, and the brothers lived in suites according to their precedence.
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Превед on May 24, 2015, 06:36:44 AM
Quai de la Cour

= Дворцовая набережная, Dvortsovaya naberezhnaya, for those wanting to locate it on maps.
Title: Re: Residences of some Grand Dukes in St.Petersburg
Post by: Joanna on February 13, 2018, 09:23:19 AM
Plans of the Baron von Derviz Mansion in Saint Petersburg where Empress Alexandra’s Fabergé objects were held in the 1902 Exhibition

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2018/02/baron-von-derviz-mansion-faberge.html

Joanna