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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Marie Feodorovna => Topic started by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 29, 2004, 06:32:47 AM

Title: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 29, 2004, 06:32:47 AM
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Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: kmerov on February 20, 2006, 03:53:50 PM
Here is what I know about the two cossacks.
Timofej Ksenofontovich Jasjtjik (Yaschik), 1878-1946. Kuban-cossack, and served as cossack to Nicholas II and then MF from 1915-1928.  
After MF's death he had a little shop in Copenhagen. He was married to Marfa Sidorska who was killed by the bolschevics in 1921. Jasjtjik keept correspondance with his children who all lived in Russia. He remarried in Denmark, and he also wrote his memoirs.

Kiril Ivanovich Poljakov, 1879-1934, Don-cossack, and served from before 1916(I don't know exactly when he started) until 1928, whereafter he got a job cleaning bottles in a wine-shop . He was married to a russian woman but that is all I know.

Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: kmerov on February 20, 2006, 04:00:38 PM
Yastjik and Poljakov on board the HMS Marlborough.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/Dagmar/kosakerne.jpg)
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: kmerov on February 20, 2006, 04:30:36 PM
Here is a link to a museum that displays some of the things that belonged to Yastjik (you can click on the images to enlarge them)
http://www.thm.dk/rusgalla/rusgalla_14.htm
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: dp5486 on February 20, 2006, 07:59:28 PM
Thank you so much for the great info and pictures. I am also going to check out the link.

You don't happen to have any other pics of servants from the Marlborough?

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: dp5486 on February 21, 2006, 07:08:39 PM
Does anyone know who Marie Feodorovna's closest friends were? I am very interested in those who kept in contact with her during 1916-1919. I think I read that Princess Zenaide Yussupov and Eugenia of Oldenburg were both close friends of hers.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: lancashireladandre on February 22, 2006, 02:05:09 PM
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Does anyone know who Marie Feodorovna's closest friends were? I am very interested in those who kept in contact with her during 1916-1919. I think I read that Princess Zenaide Yussupov and Eugenia of Oldenburg were both close friends of hers.

Thanks!

One of her closest friends was Countess Elizabeth Vorontsov-Dashkov. "Lili" was a lady in waiting and friend from her earliest days in Russia.Till 1897 when  he became viceroy of the Caucauses her husband was head of the Imperial household.Lili was in the Crimea during all that time.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: dp5486 on February 23, 2006, 09:29:14 AM
That makes sense. I think I read that her late husband had been a close friend of Alexander III.

Was Princess Eugenie of Oldenburg still a close friend of the Dowager Empress's or did the annulment of Olga's marriage to Eugenie's son Peter but a damper on this?

I also remember reading in Grand Duchess Xenia's biography about Prince George Schervashidze. He seemed to be a close friend of Marie's (he may have worked for her in some capacity, it wasn't clear). He unfortunately died while in the Crimea between 1917-1918.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: lancashireladandre on February 23, 2006, 01:07:26 PM
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That makes sense. I think I read that her late husband had been a close friend of Alexander III.

Was Princess Eugenie of Oldenburg still a close friend of the Dowager Empress's or did the annulment of Olga's marriage to Eugenie's son Peter but a damper on this?

I also remember reading in Grand Duchess Xenia's biography about Prince George Schervashidze. He seemed to be a close friend of Marie's (he may have worked for her in some capacity, it wasn't clear). He unfortunately died while in the Crimea between 1917-1918.

Thanks again!

Prince Shervashidze and Marie's relationship is discussed in detail in Corynne Hall's book on Marie.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: kmerov on February 23, 2006, 02:09:24 PM
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Thank you so much for the great info and pictures. I am also going to check out the link.

You don't happen to have any other pics of servants from the Marlborough?

Thanks again!


You are welcome.  :)
No, I don't have any other pictures, except this common seen picture of the passengers and crew members. :-/

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/Dagmar/crewpassengers.jpg)
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: dp5486 on February 23, 2006, 03:01:41 PM
That is one more reason I would love to find a copy of this rare book.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: kmerov on February 23, 2006, 05:09:31 PM
Another close friend was Countess Zinaida Mengden, who followed MF to Denmark were she lived at Hvidøre until MF's death, and then moved to a small appartment in Copenhagen were she died in 1950.

Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: kmerov on February 23, 2006, 05:11:48 PM
Prince Sjervasjidze in november 1917. He died 10.april 1918
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/Dagmar/shervadzishe.jpg)
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: dp5486 on February 24, 2006, 12:31:20 PM
Thank you for the wonderful picture of the Prince! I love to put faces to names.

I have read of Countess Zina Mengden several times. I think she was with the Dowager Empress in Kiev during the war. It seems that she, along with Princess "Aprak" Obolensky, were very devoted to the Dowager Empress.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: lancashireladandre on February 24, 2006, 02:31:05 PM
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Thank you for the wonderful picture of the Prince! I love to put faces to names.

I have read of Countess Zina Mengden several times. I think she was with the Dowager Empress in Kiev during the war. It seems that she, along with Princess "Aprak" Obolensky, were very devoted to the Dowager Empress.

Thanks again!

Princess Alexandra Alexandrovna Obolensky nee Countess Apraxine was the principal lady in waiting and a childless widow. Her husband was an offical at Alexander III's court & a brother of Princes Valerian & Platon Obolensky( so an uncle of Prince Serge the author of " One Man in his Time" and till his death the darling of NYC cafe society).The Princess ended up in a home in Paris like so many of her world....
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: dp5486 on February 24, 2006, 03:48:54 PM
She was still the Dowager Empress's principal lady-in-waiting even though she had married? I thought most ladies-in-waiting left after they were married or due to her husband's position in the court, did she stay on?

These women seem so devoted. They must have been very close to the Dowager Empress.

Do photos exist of her or Countess Mengden in Corynne Hall's biography?
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: lancashireladandre on February 25, 2006, 12:22:15 PM
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She was still the Dowager Empress's principal lady-in-waiting even though she had married? I thought most ladies-in-waiting left after they were married or due to her husband's position in the court, did she stay on?

These women seem so devoted. They must have been very close to the Dowager Empress.

Do photos exist of her or Countess Mengden in Corynne Hall's biography?

No, but I have seen pic's in some of Jacques Ferrands marvellous photo albums.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: kmerov on February 25, 2006, 06:31:16 PM
Two pictures of Countess Mengden.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/Dagmar/zina.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/Dagmar/zinamengden.jpg)
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: Svetabel on February 26, 2006, 07:59:30 AM
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Was Princess Eugenie of Oldenburg still a close friend of the Dowager Empress's or did the annulment of Olga's marriage to Eugenie's son Peter but a damper on this?


Thanks again!


Princess Eugenie was not a close friend of MF. Just a friend.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: dp5486 on February 27, 2006, 08:21:22 AM
Kmerov, those pictures of Countess Mengden were great! Thank you!

Also, very interesting about Princess Eugenie.

Did the Dowager Empress correspond often with her sister Thyra, brother Valdemar, or her nieces and nephews. It seems odd that Thyra was not included in the purchasing of Hvidore.

Thanks again everyone!
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 26, 2006, 07:10:57 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Kejserinde_bil.jpg)
Found this beatifull picture of the Dowager Empress.

RN :)
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: dp5486 on January 24, 2008, 09:16:07 PM
Besides Countess Mengden, the Dowager Empress had another lady in waiting, Countess Olga Alexandrovna Heyden. According to "Little Mother of Russia", Countess Heyden was with the Dowager Empress in Kiev before her flight to the Crimea. I was wondering if anyone knew what became of Countess Heyden after the revolution.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: Vecchiolarry on January 25, 2008, 06:49:42 PM
Hello,

I believe one of The Dowager Empress' closest friends was her brother-in-law, Grand Duke Alexei Alexandrovich...
He was her favourite in the Romanov Family.  Sadly, he died in 1910 but fortunately for him, he missed the upheaval.

Larry
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: ashdean on January 26, 2008, 01:40:02 PM
Besides Countess Mengden, the Dowager Empress had another lady in waiting, Countess Olga Alexandrovna Heyden. According to "Little Mother of Russia", Countess Heyden was with the Dowager Empress in Kiev before her flight to the Crimea. I was wondering if anyone knew what became of Countess Heyden after the revolution.
In the book "Louisa,lady in waiting" about the Countess of Antrim a member of Queen Alexandras household..it mentions a Countess Heyden "who died of starvation during the revolution " perhaps this was the same Countess...
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: dp5486 on January 27, 2008, 09:40:40 PM
Ashdean, you are probably right. I do find it odd that she didn't accompany the Empress to the Crimea and out of Russia. I couldn't find any details on her in "Little Mother of Russia". I was disappointed to find that this book does not contain any information on her servants (i.e. "Kiki" Greenveld, her Cossack bodyguards, and her manservant Vigiss). I did find out in "Lost Fortunes of the Tsars" that the latter three were with the Dowager Empress until her death.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: dmitri on January 28, 2008, 12:05:27 AM
'Little Mother of Russia' is not bad. There are other biographies and books on the subject that fill in the picture of the Dowager Empress better. Try these :

Empress Maria Fiodorovna, by A.I. Barkovets and V.M.Tenikhina, Abris Publishers, St.Petersburg, 2006

Empress Maria Feodorovna's Favourite Residences in Russia and Denmark, by Galina Korneva and Tatiana Cheboksarova, Liki Rossi, St.Petersburg, 2006

A Royal Family - The Story of Christian IX and his European descendants, by Anna Lerche and Marcus Mandal ISBN 87-15-10957-7 - chapter entitled 'Love and Revolution - Maria Feodorovna's Fate during the Greatness and Fall of the Russian Empire' - an excellent account with privileged access to private royal archives and interviews with members of various European Royal Families

Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: ashdean on January 28, 2008, 12:15:34 PM
Ashdean, you are probably right. I do find it odd that she didn't accompany the Empress to the Crimea and out of Russia. I couldn't find any details on her in "Little Mother of Russia". I was disappointed to find that this book does not contain any information on her servants (i.e. "Kiki" Greenveld, her Cossack bodyguards, and her manservant Vigiss). I did find out in "Lost Fortunes of the Tsars" that the latter three were with the Dowager Empress until her death.
There might be a reason the Countess did not go to the Crimea and eventually abroad...she may have wanted to remain with family members...perhaps she had elderly dependants..Count & Countess Tastichev safely in Finland with their children & some jewels returned because of their elderly mothers (madame Narishkine,mistress of the robes being one).The Count was later shot..Countess Vera was only able to leave in the 1930's !.Princess Sophie Volkonsky returned to the north because her husband would not leave his elderly mother....There must have been many such stories..the Countesses sadly was lost...and the price for her loyalty was her life.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: dp5486 on January 28, 2008, 07:29:34 PM
The poor Count and Countess Tastichev! From what I remember, Mme. Naryshkina found her own way out of Russia!

Was the Princess Sophie Volkonsky you refer to the mother of Sofka Dolgoruky and her second husband?
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: ashdean on January 29, 2008, 04:37:54 AM
The poor Count and Countess Tastichev! From what I remember, Mme. Naryshkina found her own way out of Russia!

Was the Princess Sophie Volkonsky you refer to the mother of Sofka Dolgoruky and her second husband?
Yes  Madame Narishkina was allowed to leave in the 1920s ,her later life is mentioned on a thread on here in the Imperial families retainers section...Sophie V was indeed Sofkas mother..she wrote memoirs in 1932 & commited suicide in 1948.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: ashdean on January 29, 2008, 04:53:17 AM
The thread on Madame Narishkina is under "Madame Zizi" the Empress Alexandra's pet name for her.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: matushka on April 17, 2008, 07:16:48 AM
How did Shervashidze die? Was his death natural? He was 73 years old at the time he died.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: Svetabel on April 13, 2009, 03:06:46 AM

Did the Dowager Empress correspond often with her sister Thyra, brother Valdemar, or her nieces and nephews

The Empress often corresponded with her sisters, brother Waldemar and nieces. The phraze "I was writing to Waldemar", for example, is a frequent one in her diaries of 1914-1919 years.

Besides Countess Mengden, the Dowager Empress had another lady in waiting, Countess Olga Alexandrovna Heyden. According to "Little Mother of Russia", Countess Heyden was with the Dowager Empress in Kiev before her flight to the Crimea. I was wondering if anyone knew what became of Countess Heyden after the revolution.

Seemed the Empress and Olga Heyden had a sort of quarrel in Kiev, and Olga left Kiev.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: kmerov on July 20, 2010, 05:05:45 PM
A picture of MF's loyal cossacs who stayed with her to the end.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/Dagmar/YaschikPuljakovcossacks.jpg)
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: ashdean on August 04, 2010, 12:56:56 PM
A picture of MF's loyal cossacs who stayed with her to the end.

Nice to know that the british royal family helped their later years in exile with small pensions.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: ashdean on October 06, 2010, 10:20:04 AM

Did the Dowager Empress correspond often with her sister Thyra, brother Valdemar, or her nieces and nephews

The Empress often corresponded with her sisters, brother Waldemar and nieces. The phraze "I was writing to Waldemar", for example, is a frequent one in her diaries of 1914-1919 years.

Besides Countess Mengden, the Dowager Empress had another lady in waiting, Countess Olga Alexandrovna Heyden. According to "Little Mother of Russia", Countess Heyden was with the Dowager Empress in Kiev before her flight to the Crimea. I was wondering if anyone knew what became of Countess Heyden after the revolution.

Seemed the Empress and Olga Heyden had a sort of quarrel in Kiev, and Olga left Kiev.
I wonder if this was the same Countess who in her picture album,Queen Alexandras lady in waiting Louisa Countess of Antrim wrote "died of starvation during the russian revolution"
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 06, 2010, 01:32:41 PM
"Once I Had a Home: The diary & narrative of Nadejda, Lady of Honour of their Imperial Majesties the late Empress Alexandra Feodorovna & the Empress Maria Feodorovna of Russia"

Has anyone read this book? I would love to know more! Many Thanks.
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 01, 2011, 04:22:02 AM
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A Royal Family - The Story of Christian IX and his European descendants, by Anna Lerche and Marcus Mandal ISBN 87-15-10957-7 - chapter entitled 'Love and Revolution - Maria Feodorovna's Fate during the Greatness and Fall of the Russian Empire' - an excellent account with privileged access to private royal archives and interviews with members of various European Royal Families


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I badly want this book, I don't understand why it's so expensive on amazon, £180!!!
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: Robert_Hall on January 01, 2011, 11:20:41 AM
Eddie, I have this book and although a nice volume, IMO it is not worth that much.  [almost $300 US] As I recall, I  purchased the video and the book for less than 40 pounds UK. Thanks for  the info on my investment !!!!! I bought mine  via one of the royalty magazines. Must be a true "limited edition".
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 01, 2011, 11:32:47 AM
Oh, thank you so much Robert!! That is good to know! Interesting that it comes with a video, that's good to know!!! :):):)
Title: Re: Friends and servants of Marie Fedorovna
Post by: Robert_Hall on January 01, 2011, 02:39:39 PM
 My pleasure, Eddie.  The   video/DVD was broadcast on ITV, I think, Can't find it at the moment. It is mainly about the Danish royal family and the former King of the Hellenes. The book is much more informative, again- IMO