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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Balkan Royal Families => Topic started by: pablo on March 05, 2005, 11:02:27 AM

Title: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: pablo on March 05, 2005, 11:02:27 AM


 Does anyone know if the Vrana Palace is still standing,or who may own it?
 Any picture?

 Regards.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 05, 2005, 12:00:46 PM
Do you mean Euxinograd in Varna ? It is still there. Was used as an exclusive resort for top  officials in the Soviet era.  I have a friend who lives there, he tells me it is no being renovated, but not quite sure what for. Either a hotel or museum one would suppose.
[there is a picture of it on the Varna web site]
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Eurohistory on March 05, 2005, 12:06:00 PM
I would love to go.  The last time I sat down to discuss Coburg things with King Simeon he invited me to visit his country, but I just have not found the time.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: pablo on March 05, 2005, 12:14:09 PM

  No, The Vrana Palace in Sofia.

 Regards.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 05, 2005, 12:22:45 PM
I know of the former royal palace in Sofia. And Simeon lives in a country palace just ouside of the city. I forget what that one is called. [it may be the one you are referring to]. It is now a private rseidence, having been given back to Simeon, along with the expese of putting it back it order. I was just told that the grounds of the estate used to be open on weekends, but not any more.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: pablo on March 05, 2005, 02:29:28 PM

Exactly,the Royal Palace now is the National Art Gallery and the  Vrana Palace is near Sofia.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Marc on March 06, 2005, 08:49:35 AM
Any pictures of the Palace?
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Eurohistory on March 09, 2005, 02:43:16 PM
I would also love to see some recent images of these sites!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: ipflo on March 12, 2005, 05:23:31 AM
hi,

here you can find some pictures of the Vrana palace.

Its not much, but it is a start:

http://www.sofia.bg/agenda%5Cvrana.jpg

http://www.arge-bulgaria.de/Articles/palastpost2.html

and a vague aerial picture of the park:

http://www.sofia.bg/agenda%5Cvrana1.jpg

ipflo
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: casey on March 24, 2005, 10:41:35 PM
Does anyone have pictures of the Bulgarian Royal Residences?  I particularly am interested in the Rila Mountain lodges.  I think they were called Tzarska-Bistritza, Sara-Ghyol, Sitniankovo.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: TJ Jones on March 25, 2005, 09:48:25 PM
I have never seen any Bulgarian Palace I'm dying to see any signs of a royal residence. I cant find nothin! Please a link or something!
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: casey on March 26, 2005, 01:58:49 PM
Here is a link for vrania palace:

http://members.tripod.com/~datacom_bg/details/e_details_5.html
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: casey on March 26, 2005, 02:08:09 PM
Here is the Royal Palace in Sofia:  It is the National Art Gallery Now.

http://www.traveljournals.net/pictures/11164.html
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: TJ Jones on March 26, 2005, 04:35:54 PM
So whats their official residence? You know the Buckingham palace of the Bulgarians, those palaces look to small for a Kingdom.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: casey on March 26, 2005, 04:46:06 PM
The Royal Palace, which is now the national Art Gallery was their official residence.   Vrania Palace was their weekend retreat, sort like Windsor Castle.  Euxinograd was the Summer Palace.

I don't think that any of the Bulgarian Palace's were very large or grand.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 02, 2005, 04:21:15 PM
Simeon now lives in the Vrana palace estate. It is not far from the capitol. He also has the PM's residence in Sofia for his offices.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Marcel_Teerling on April 06, 2005, 09:13:36 PM
I do have a picture of the house in Borovets. I can't scan it. It is a baeutifull house in ski area. A lot of nice work of argitecture and beautifull heathers in the palace. For every room an other heater.  The family got it back as the first of their prperties in Bulgaria.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on May 08, 2005, 03:42:03 AM
I have a picture on my computer but I don't know how to attach it... You can see it in a Bulgarian site, http://forum.all.bg/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/484297/Main/470574.
It's the fourth picture from top.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: pablo on May 08, 2005, 11:15:49 AM

 Thanks a lot,

 Very beautiful pics.

 Regards.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: cimbrio on May 12, 2005, 09:41:05 AM
What is mentioned above as the Sofia Royal Palace is actually known by Bulgarians as the Battenberg Palace, presumably because Alexander I lived there (I was in Bulgaria twice and visited the building on both occasions...as I said in another post, quite a modest palace by Royal Standards...)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on May 26, 2005, 09:46:19 PM

There are several royal residences.
The main one is the Royal palace in Sofia. Now it is a National Art Gallery.
Vrana palace is located outside Sofia. It was build by Tsar Ferdinand as a summer residence. Its much bigger then the one inside Sofia. In 1998 it was returned to the Royal family and now Tsar Simeon II lives there.
Exksinovgrad palace is located outside Varna. It was build by Prince Alexander Battenberg. Now it is an official government residence.
Battenberg palace is located in Ruse. It was build by Prince Alexander Battenberg. Now it is a Historical Museum.
Tsarska Bistritsa is located in Rila mountain. Its big and beautiful palace. It was returned to the Royal family and the wedding of Princes Kalina (Tsar Simeon II daughter) was there in 2002.
There are other two residences in Rila mountain. One was build by Tsar Ferdinand and the other by his son Prince Kyril, both of them were returned to Simeon II but I do not think he uses them. During the winter its almost impossible to reach them because they are high into the mountain. In one of them there are pictures drown by Princesses Eudoxia and Nadejda (Ferdinand I daughters).
Another palace was Krichim palace. It is located outside Plovdiv and it was the favorite one of Queen Giovanna. The palace was also returned to the Royal family.
The last palace is located in Banya. It was build by Tsar Boris III. It is really small, its more of a big house then a palace. It was returned to the Royal family. And as long as I know on the Simeon II Bulgarian passport it says that this is his permanent address, not the palace outside Sofia.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: gleb on May 30, 2005, 01:28:05 PM
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Another palace was Krichim palace. It is located outside Plovdiv and it was the favorite one of Queen Giovanna. The palace was also returned to the Royal family.



Hi Popov2000,

Are you bulgarian? As I am italian I would love to see a pic of the palace whrere Tsaritsa Ivanka spent so much time!

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on May 31, 2005, 05:57:11 PM
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Hi Popov2000,

Are you bulgarian? As I am italian I would love to see a pic of the palace whrere Tsaritsa Ivanka spent so much time!

Thanks in advance!


Yes, I am Bulgarian.

Unfortunately, I do not have pictures of the palace. I have see only one picture of it years ago in a newspaper.

I know the palace was build by Tsar Ferdinand and when everyone refers to it they always says that it was the favorite place of Queen Giovanna ( Ioanna ). I am sorry I can not help you. I am looking for a picture of it myself. If you find one share it.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 31, 2005, 06:05:27 PM
Hello Popov_200, I may be returning to Bulgaria this coming autumn. Perhaps you would like to help us find it ?
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on May 31, 2005, 07:21:00 PM
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Hello Popov_200, I may be returning to Bulgaria this coming autumn. Perhaps you would like to help us find it ?


Find what ?
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 31, 2005, 07:35:19 PM
The Krichim palace.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on May 31, 2005, 09:42:30 PM
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The Krichim palace.


I live in the United State since 2000.

However, I know that the palace is located in a small village or town next to Plovdiv. The name of this samall village is Krichim. That is why the palace is called Krichim Palace.

I remember that in the picture I saw there was just a small part of the palace. The picture was focused on a tree brought to the palace grounds by Tsar Ferdinand and that the tree was really old.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 31, 2005, 09:48:58 PM
Very well. I have asked my pals in Plovdiv to help locate this place.  Apparently the town gets few tourists. [I have found it on the map, at least].
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: gleb on June 01, 2005, 02:34:17 PM
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Very well. I have asked my pals in Plovdiv to help locate this place.  Apparently the town gets few tourists. [I have found it on the map, at least].



Thanks Robert!

It would be great! I am so interested becouse, for those who do not know, Tsaritsa Ivanka, was Princess Giovanna of Italy.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on June 01, 2005, 06:56:27 PM
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Thanks Robert!

It would be great! I am so interested becouse, for those who do not know, Tsaritsa Ivanka, was Princess Giovanna of Italy.


Hey gleb,

Tsarina Ioanna is buried in Assisi, Italy. Do you have a picture of her grave. I was looking all over the place to find one but I could not. If you have a picture or if you can take one please share it with us.

I also read that the road that goes from the forest to Assisi will be called Tsarina Ioanna. Do you know if that did the change and now call it that way ?
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on June 02, 2005, 03:43:15 AM
The 168 Hours weekly has reported today that rime Minister Simeon Saxcoburggotski has asked President Georgi Purvanov to agree to the restitution of Krichim Palace. The reason the President is against that the Palace and its environs (ca. 20 hectares) is in the middle of a government estate that is ten times as large.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on June 02, 2005, 12:58:50 PM
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The 168 Hours weekly has reported today that rime Minister Simeon Saxcoburggotski has asked President Georgi Purvanov to agree to the restitution of Krichim Palace. The reason the President is against that the Palace and its environs (ca. 20 hectares) is in the middle of a government estate that is ten times as large.



Hey dvoretzky

What else does the article in the 168 Hours newspaper says?
Does it says that President Parvanov will do what Prime Minister Saxe-Coburg-Gotha asks him to do, or will he keep the Palace as a Government building ?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: gleb on June 02, 2005, 01:40:49 PM
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Hey gleb,

Tsarina Ioanna is buried in Assisi, Italy. Do you have a picture of her grave. I was looking all over the place to find one but I could not. If you have a picture or if you can take one please share it with us.

I also read that the road that goes from the forest to Assisi will be called Tsarina Ioanna. Do you know if that did the change and now call it that way ?


I do not have pics of her tomb, I know it is in a chapel of the Friars's cimitery. If I'll find it...

I have an old pic of Euxinograd, if you're interested, tell me
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on June 03, 2005, 08:34:42 AM
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Yes, that must be Giovanna's grave.
Strange she did not want to be buried at the Rila Monastery, isn't it?


I read an interview with Simeon II and he said that she wanted to be buried next to her husband Boris III. However, since the body is not in the grave she chose to be buried in Assisi. Boris and Ioanna got married in this same cathedral. Also when she was little she was really sick and she is thankful to St Friars's for her getting better. That's is even why she chose to get married there. It was not just a coincident.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 03, 2005, 09:14:21 AM
It is interesting to hear that Simeon pays no taxes on all of this "restituted" property.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on June 03, 2005, 09:15:45 AM
The 168 Hours's headline is Purvanov Won't Return Tsar's Property. The sub reads Claims for the Krichim Residence Could Get the Two Institutions into a Fight.
I guess the National Bodyguard Service (NBS) is under dual command and that's why Simeon needs Purvanov's consent for the restuitution of the estate which is managed by the NBS. The scandal was leaked by the Socialist MP Georgi Bozhinov. He says Simeon has no rights over the 200 hectares of forests he is trying to get "back". The Plovdiv Governor, Mr. Gyoka Hadjipetrov, ought to issue the restitution document but he is running for Parliament on the ticket of the Simeon the Second National Movement.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on July 03, 2005, 10:23:00 PM
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Hi Popov2000,

Are you bulgarian? As I am italian I would love to see a pic of the palace whrere Tsaritsa Ivanka spent so much time!

Thanks in advance!


The Bulgarian Royal Family had a lot of land in Rila mountain before Tsar Boris III married Tsarina Ioanna in 1930. However after the married the new consort of the Bulgarian monarch both private property in Samocov that belonged to her and only her, not to the entire Royal Family. Samocov is the town next to Tsarska Bistritsa Palace. The land that Ioanna bought was inside the town. When the communist came they too both the land of the Royal family and Ioanna’s own properties. Houses were build on the land that Ioanna had and these houses were given to the poor by the communists. It is impossible for Simeon II to take this land now because regular people had been living there since 1946. It would be immoral for him to kick them out, and I do not think he wants this particular properties anyway.  
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on July 05, 2005, 04:27:22 AM
Hristo Smirnensky (a leading Bulgarian poet of the 1920s) wrote several features about Samokov, a place he had often visited. From his writings I came to the conclusion that Tsarska Bistrica was built on municipal land, without consulting the local council.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: palimpsest on July 05, 2005, 11:43:16 AM
dvoretzky
could you post some pics of the major Bulgarian Royal Palaces on this thread?

you can use this site:
http://www.imageshack.us/
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: casey on August 13, 2005, 01:09:59 PM
What is the layout of the Royal palace in Sofia.  I know it is currently the National Art Gallery and National Ethnological Museum.  I would love to know layover of the rooms.

Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on August 14, 2005, 12:04:03 PM
I remember that when Peter Stoyanov was President of Bulgaria he made a comment in which he suggested that the Presidency was moved to the Former Royal Palace. Mr. Stoyanov said that the building was better suited for the use of a head of state. However, nothing happened and the Presidency is still in the same building.  
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: casey on August 14, 2005, 05:18:37 PM
This is fabulous.  I really appreciate the effort.

Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: casey on August 27, 2005, 04:11:43 PM
I would love to see a pic of the Rila Mountain Lodges in Bulgaria.  They are Sara-Ghyol, Sitniakovo, Ovnarsko.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on August 27, 2005, 11:31:04 PM
I would love that too. I try to find pics of them but it was impossible. If there is someone here who has them please post the pics so everyone can see,
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: gleb on August 28, 2005, 09:49:55 AM
Do you mean the Rila monastery?
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on August 28, 2005, 10:54:43 AM
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Do you mean the Rila monastery?



No. In Rila Mountain there are a couple of royal palaces. Tsarska Bistritsa is the biggest. The wedding of Princess Kalina was in 2002 at Tsarska Bistritsa There are also a few small once. We are talking about them.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on August 29, 2005, 11:42:02 AM
I was in Sitnyakovo once, long time ago, when it was run by the Writers' Union. It was nothing exceptional, a one-storey wooden hut. I guess there were several deer heads above the doors... It was very cold inside. I didn't carry a camera, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: gleb on August 30, 2005, 01:33:57 PM
In the book of Robert Massie about the european Royals there is a pic showing King Ferdinand and his mother in a place called Rila Monastery.

It seems strange they lived in the Monastery. Is it true or the caption was uncorrected?

Gleb
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on September 11, 2005, 01:25:11 PM
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In the book of Robert Massie about the european Royals there is a pic showing King Ferdinand and his mother in a place called Rila Monastery.

It seems strange they lived in the Monastery. Is it true or the caption was uncorrected?

Gleb


Rila Monastery is a MONASTERY. This is a place where monks live. Its very old and very popular among the Bulgarian royal family. The Bulgarian royal family had an apartment there. From time to time they would stay in the monastery. Now they no longer have the apartment. Tsar Boris III is buried inside Rila Monastery. When Pope John Paul II visited Bulgaria in 2002 he also visited Rila Monastery. The Pope prayed on the grave of Tsar Boris III together with Simeon II. Later the Pope John Paul II met with the Bulgarian royal family in one of the rooms in the monastery.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: cimbrio on September 13, 2005, 05:01:22 PM
I was twice in Rila monastery in the year 2002 (once before and the other after Pope JP 2 visited it) and it's absolutely breathtaking. It's surrounded by forested mountains, there is a quiet little sort of village right next to it where streams of cold clear water run, and the peace is overwhelming. I also lit a candle on Boris III's tomb each time I visited... no wonder the RF had appartments there, I'd love to retire to a place like that just for the sake of some peace and quiet :)

Go Bulgaria!
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on October 26, 2005, 01:43:56 PM
I got a picture of Saragiol. It is from Bulgarian newspaper from 24 October 2005. The picture is on my cimputer, but I do not know how to add it to this forum.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: palimpsest on November 20, 2005, 11:30:36 AM
(http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6969/89098547nb.jpg)

Movie director Francis Ford Coppola, right, and the actor Tim Roth walk at the old palace in the Black Sea town of Balchik [Missy's palace], some 490 kilometers (304 miles) northeast of Sofia, Bulgaria on Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2005. After an eight-year absence, Francis Ford Coppola returned to the director's chair to make his new film "Youth Without Youth" in Romania and Bulgaria. Starring Tim Roth, the film is adapted from a novella by Romanian philosopher-author Mircea Eliade. (AP Photo/Petar Petrov)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: VN on November 24, 2005, 02:14:06 PM
Can anyone tell me the name of the architect who build/planed  the Palace in Sofia (now National Art Gallery)?



Greetings from DA

VN
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on November 25, 2005, 02:57:49 AM
The Royal (originally Princely) palace in Sofia was designed by the Viennese architect Rumpelmayr (sp?) in 1879 on the basis of the old Ottoman Konak. In 1887 another Viennese architect, Gruenanger, designed an annex where the Royal famuly suites were allocated.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: VN on November 25, 2005, 03:18:23 AM
So the first part was build 1879 by Rumpelmayr for Alexander and the annex was added 1887 for Ferdinands family by Grünanger/Gruenanger!? This is how I would understand it.

And the palace was build on the ground where the old Ottoman Konak stood? (What was the Ottoman Konak, another "royal" place?

Thanks for your help

Greetings from Darmstadt

VN
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on November 25, 2005, 03:37:15 AM
Konak is a generic term for any residence of public official. In this case, it was the residence of the Ottoman governor of Sofia. I am not sure what kind of administrative unit Sofia was the centre of, but anyway it was a major town of 30 thousand inhabitants (a lot at that time). The Sofia Konak was also used as a court of law. The 1873 trial of Vassil Levsky, the Bulgarian national hero, was held there.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on November 25, 2005, 09:59:07 AM
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Konak is a generic term for any residence of public official. In this case, it was the residence of the Ottoman governor of Sofia. I am not sure what kind of administrative unit Sofia was the centre of, but anyway it was a major town of 30 thousand inhabitants (a lot at that time). The Sofia Konak was also used as a court of law. The 1873 trial of Vassil Levsky, the Bulgarian national hero, was held there.



Hello dvoretzky.

are you in Bulgaria? If you are do you know what Tsar Simeon II plans to do with his palaces? Is there something in the press?

Tony
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on November 25, 2005, 12:38:12 PM
Yes, I am ib Sofia and don't intend to move. The only news about Simeon's property is that the ruling coaltion expressed its desire (probably after consulting the ex-monarch) to set up an ad hoc parliamentary committee to deal with the issue.
One more thing: Simeon let the National History Museum show for a preiod of 1 year two Marshall's batons owned by his Grandfather, King Ferdinand.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on November 25, 2005, 12:59:46 PM
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Yes, I am ib Sofia and don't intend to move. The only news about Simeon's property is that the ruling coaltion expressed its desire (probably after consulting the ex-monarch) to set up an ad hoc parliamentary committee to deal with the issue.
One more thing: Simeon let the National History Museum show for a preiod of 1 year two Marshall's batons owned by his Grandfather, King Ferdinand.


Thank you.

I know about the two Marshall's batons. I was hoping that Simeon II had donated them to the museum and that they should stay there from now on. Unfortunately he would want them back.

Tony
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on November 25, 2005, 10:44:10 PM
I remember Simeon auctioned several of Ferdinand's orders and medals about a dozen years ago. There were critical remards in the Bulgarian press because those orders and medals were given not to him persoonally but to the King of Bulgaria.
Speaking of regalia, Ferdinand was very vain and had ordered an Emperor's crown before the unsuccessful all-out attack on Istanbul during the First Balkan War.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on November 26, 2005, 09:05:30 AM
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I remember Simeon auctioned several of Ferdinand's orders and medals about a dozen years ago. There were critical remards in the Bulgarian press because those orders and medals were given not to him persoonally but to the King of Bulgaria.
Speaking of regalia, Ferdinand was very vain and had ordered an Emperor's crown before the unsuccessful all-out attack on Istanbul during the First Balkan War.



Do you know what happened to this Emperor's crown?
I also know that his second wife had a crown, do you know what happened to this crown too?
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on November 26, 2005, 12:40:23 PM
I am not sure... There are claims that he had no crown at all:
http://www.design4you.co.th/magazine/bk_gems/issue903.html
At the same time, during his coronation as a king in 1908 he had a crown made in Munich: http://www.bgnews.bg/show_story.html?issue=137260759&media=1523776&class=6852860&story=137262647
I cannot find any reference to his "Imperial" crown, although I am certain i have read about it.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on November 26, 2005, 10:25:44 PM
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I am not sure... There are claims that he had no crown at all:
http://www.design4you.co.th/magazine/bk_gems/issue903.html
At the same time, during his coronation as a king in 1908 he had a crown made in Munich: http://www.bgnews.bg/show_story.html?issue=137260759&media=1523776&class=6852860&story=137262647
I cannot find any reference to his "Imperial" crown, although I am certain i have read about it.



(http://www.mtc.government.bg/Communications/Philately/marki_katalog/tsarstvo/23_1.jpg)

This is one of two pictures I have seen of Ferdinand I wearing a crown. On this picture he is wearing a Byzantium style crown. I remember that on the other picture he was wearing western European style crown. I do not remember where I saw the second picture.

Tony
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on December 07, 2005, 09:42:03 PM
I just found this. A medal commemorating Tsar Ferdinand I coronation. It looks like he had a crown.

(http://vicmart.com/ext/items/3f9e20f7_bg1908ferdoalcoronationmed2.jpg)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on December 09, 2005, 09:20:33 AM
The issue of the Royal Estates was raised again today during parliamentary question time. Interesting, it was right-wing MPs who didn't spare their anger, while the socialists lay low...
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on December 09, 2005, 11:50:53 AM
I just visited www.ndsv.bg and they have a press relese regarding the Royal Properties. It look interesting.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: ipflo on December 10, 2005, 12:38:08 PM
As my bulgarian is not very good, could you please tell us what was there in the press release?

thx

ipflo
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on December 10, 2005, 12:50:09 PM
A list with all the Royal properties was made in 1946 initiated by Prime Minister Kimon Georgiev. The list included 17 Royal properties. Some of them were returned to the Royal family based on the decision taken by the Constitutional Court in June 1998.

It said that the following properties had been returned to the Royal family:

“Vrana Palace” - out of 3500 acres only 980 acres were returned. Approximately 920 acres of them were donated to the City of Sofia.
“Tsarska Bistritsa”
“Sarugiol”
“Sitniakovo”
“Bania Palace”
Forests around the town of Samokov and Beli Iskar

Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: palimpsest on December 20, 2005, 08:43:36 PM
(http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/7867/58879880uj.jpg)

This is an outside view of the residence of former Bulgarian King Simeon II in Sofia Thursday June 21, 2001. The former king says he will decide this week whether to take the job of prime minister, after his National Movement for Simeon II party captured half the seats in Bulgaria's parliament. (AP Photo/Sava Radovanovic)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on December 20, 2005, 09:18:58 PM
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(http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/7867/58879880uj.jpg)

This is an outside view of the residence of former Bulgarian King Simeon II in Sofia Thursday June 21, 2001. The former king says he will decide this week whether to take the job of prime minister, after his National Movement for Simeon II party captured half the seats in Bulgaria's parliament. (AP Photo/Sava Radovanovic)



This is not the Vrana Palace. This is a hunting lodge that was build by Tsar Ferdinand I. He would stay there while hunting. Vrana Palace is close by. Simeon II chose to live in the hunting lodge rather then the palace. I love the picture.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: gleb on December 30, 2005, 02:25:10 PM
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This is not the Vrana Palace. This is a hunting lodge that was build by Tsar Ferdinand I. He would stay there while hunting. Vrana Palace is close by. Simeon II chose to live in the hunting lodge rather then the palace. I love the picture.



So Simeon II doesn't live in the main palace. Does it belong to him, thus? What is it used for? Anyone visited it?

If Tsar Ferdinand had a hunting lodge nearby, who built the main palace and who used to live there?

Gleb
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on December 30, 2005, 03:05:23 PM
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So Simeon II doesn't live in the main palace. Does it belong to him, thus? What is it used for? Anyone visited it?

If Tsar Ferdinand had a hunting lodge nearby, who built the main palace and who used to live there?

Gleb



Tsar Ferdinand I build both the hunting lodge and the palace. He first build the hunting lodge and would go there to hunt, while living in the Royal palace in Sofia (Now a National Art Gallery). Later on Ferdinand I build Vrana palace.

In 1999 Simeon II donated Vrana park to the city of Sofia. He also said that he wanted to make the main palace a school for hotel workers - just like the one in Switzerland. However, this was the first and last time he said what he plans to do with the main palace. In 2000 he announced he was coming back to Bulgaria and the hunting lodge was adopted for living. Since then many monarchs came to Bulgaria and all of them were greeted in the main palace. I remember when King Juan Carlos I of Spain came he was grated in front of the main palace and then the reception continued inside. King Albert II of Belgium and Prince Albert II of Monaco were also guests at Vrana palace and they were welcomed at the main palace. So even though Simeon II lives in the hunting lodge he welcomes his guests in the main palace.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: gleb on December 31, 2005, 06:04:19 AM
Thanks very much Popov2000!! :)

I just hope Tsar Simeon will decide to make a museum out of the main Palace. It would be so beautiful!
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on December 31, 2005, 08:47:00 AM
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Thanks very much Popov2000!! :)

I just hope Tsar Simeon will decide to make a museum out of the main Palace. It would be so beautiful!


That is what I am hoping too!
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: gleb on December 31, 2005, 02:14:42 PM
As we all know there is a castle called Tsarska Bistritza.

I suppose this name has a meaning is it true? Tsarska looks like a sort of adjective, am I right?

While what does bistritza mean?

Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on December 31, 2005, 03:19:14 PM
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As we all know there is a castle called Tsarska Bistritza.

I suppose this name has a meaning is it true? Tsarska looks like a sort of adjective, am I right?

While what does bistritza mean?




Tsarska - Royal
Bistritsa - Clean or Pure
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on January 02, 2006, 11:52:35 AM
Bsitrica means a river with clear water.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on January 17, 2006, 04:35:59 PM
This is a really cool model of the Royal Palace.
This and other models of a Bulgarian historical buildings are currently on display at the National Assembly in Sofia.

(http://www.parliament.bg/Gallery/NU9C6758_.jpg)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: palimpsest on January 17, 2006, 09:00:53 PM
Wow, great model! Do you have photos of other models in the same exhibition?
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on February 02, 2006, 10:01:42 AM
Saint Alexander Nevsky Cathedral:

(http://www.parliament.bg/Gallery/NU9C6749_.jpg)

Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on February 02, 2006, 10:02:04 AM
Rila Monastery:

(http://www.parliament.bg/Gallery/NU9C6755_.jpg)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 02, 2006, 12:05:47 PM
I hope to be back in Sofia this coming May. It would be great if the models were still on display.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: palimpsest on February 02, 2006, 06:21:15 PM
Thank you for the photos!
Great models!
My parents visited Rila monastery and they loved it!
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on February 04, 2006, 12:40:18 AM
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Wow, great model! Do you have photos of other models in the same exhibition?


The exhibition's website is http://www.bulgarianadlan.com/.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: popov_2000 on February 04, 2006, 09:11:10 AM
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The exhibition's website is http://www.bulgarianadlan.com/.


Thanks!

I never knew that there were a web site dedicated to the exebition.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: dvoretzky on February 14, 2006, 11:52:37 PM
The Sofia City Prosecutor's office issued a statement revealing that an investigation has been launched into the restitution of property of Vrana Palace.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: palimpsest on February 22, 2006, 12:53:18 PM
(http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/9517/88677400ft.jpg)

General view of the Monastery of Rila in Bulgaria, on Tuesday, October 11, 2005. The monastery is enlisted in the UNESCO World Cultural Heritage list. (AP Photo/Luxpress/Jean-Claude Ernst)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: gleb on March 30, 2006, 09:49:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/sofia11.jpg)


The Royal Palace from satellite.

Can anyone tell me where Vrana excatly is? I mean near or far from Sofia, north, south, west...?
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: ipflo on March 30, 2006, 12:34:14 PM
Vrana is to the east of Sofia, at the edge of the city.

On http://members.tripod.com/~datacom_bg/asde_engl_home/e_eco_zone_map.html you can find a map where it is.

If you try look in Google Earth where it is on base of this map it is (I think): 42 38 23.06 N 23 25 57.39 E

ipflo
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: boyar on March 30, 2006, 03:09:32 PM
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Vrana is to the east of Sofia, at the edge of the city.

On http://members.tripod.com/~datacom_bg/asde_engl_home/e_eco_zone_map.html you can find a map where it is.

If you try look in Google Earth where it is on base of this map it is (I think): 42 38 23.06 N 23 25 57.39 E

ipflo


I think you are right. However, when I go to this location the image is blurred. I am in the United States and maybe that’s why there is no clear image. Can anyone from Europe try to see if they can find better quality?
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: ipflo on March 30, 2006, 03:40:49 PM
yes the image is blurred, but that is just because Google does not have from every place on earth high res photo's: on the moment only the US of A, and the major cities. So we are just unlucky that Vrana is on the wrong side of the high res photo  :'(  ;)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: boyar on March 30, 2006, 05:56:35 PM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/sofia11.jpg)


The Royal Palace from satellite.

Can anyone tell me where Vrana excatly is? I mean near or far from Sofia, north, south, west...?


I LOVE IT.

Can you post a bigger image than the one you have already posted ?
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: boyar on March 31, 2006, 10:27:59 PM
Street view of "Our House Palace" in Bania, Bulgaria. Build by Tsar Boris III in 1929.

(http://www.standartnews.com/archive/2006/03/20/pics/474015c.jpg)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: palimpsest on April 01, 2006, 08:47:29 AM
Beautiful! And seems in very good shape too.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: boyar on April 11, 2006, 01:27:58 PM
These are two pictures of the hunting lodge at Vrana. The hunting lodge was build by Tsar Ferdinand I and it is located far from the main Palace. The first picture was taken in 1902 and the second picture was taken recently.

(http://www.duma.bg/2006/0306/280306/snimki/1301.jpg)

(http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/7867/58879880uj.jpg)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Peter_I on December 31, 2007, 10:58:51 AM
The Battenberg palace in Rousse, Bulgaria. Currently it hosts the Regional Museum of History.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rousse-architecture3.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rousse-architecture3.jpg
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: boyar on March 18, 2008, 02:32:46 PM
The name of this song is “Just love me” performed by Esil Duran. Most of the video clip is filmed outside and inside Vrana Palace. You can see the interior of the palace, including the base of the stares and at least one of the halls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6o4bJaFRYM&feature=related
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 18, 2008, 03:02:09 PM
One could say, "how trashy",  but then, wasn't she a Eurovison  contestant?
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: casey on August 10, 2008, 09:27:29 PM
Does anyone have the floor plans for the Former Royal Palace in Sofia, which is now the National Art Gallery?  It would be great to see them posted here.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on September 06, 2009, 04:14:11 AM
Does anyone have the floor plans for the Former Royal Palace in Sofia, which is now the National Art Gallery?  It would be great to see them posted here.

I will soon post it since i was week ago there....it's wonderful :)

And some old photos of the palaces and recent one comming soon

Sofia's palace
The gates from square Alexander
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_dvorecporta.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/dvorecporta.jpg)
The palace with part of the garden
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_dvorec6.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/dvorec6.jpg)

From the official gates in the winter
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_dvorecsnqg.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/dvorecsnqg.jpg)

Оther one from the milion pictures and drawings which i have...
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_sofia.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/sofia.jpg)

Euxinograd
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_evksinograd.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/evksinograd.jpg)

(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_d19.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/d19.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_Euxinograde.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/Euxinograde.jpg)

Аnd i've seen only this picture of the palace Krichim (or however is writing on English)
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_0103-large.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/0103-large.jpg)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: casey on September 06, 2009, 07:29:43 PM
i can't wait to see the floorplan of the Former Royal Palace.

Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: boyar on April 24, 2010, 03:23:45 PM
Royal Palace in Sofia

Red Hall:
(http://www.lostbulgaria.com/pic/920.jpg)

Throne Room:
(http://www.lostbulgaria.com/pic/919.jpg)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: boyar on April 24, 2010, 03:30:46 PM
Tsar Ferdinand's train:

(http://www.lostbulgaria.com/pic/299.jpg)

(http://www.lostbulgaria.com/pic/300.jpg)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Marc on April 24, 2010, 03:53:28 PM
Royal Palace in Sofia

Red Hall:
(http://www.lostbulgaria.com/pic/920.jpg)

Throne Room:
(http://www.lostbulgaria.com/pic/919.jpg)



How does it look today?
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 25, 2010, 02:03:25 AM
First thank you to boyar for posting those wonderful pictures!!!

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How does it look today?

It's the same how you see it ,but since it's National Gallery ,it's with easels with pictures all around.And on the walls too.And while you walk you can hear the creaking ground.I spend whole hour there... A wonderful return in time...
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Marc on April 25, 2010, 06:34:32 AM
Thank you,great o hear that...I wanted to know if it has not been destroyed during WW II or maybe drastically changed during the communism...
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 25, 2010, 07:25:23 AM
Well it's the same but i'm not pleased that it's gallery and not museum with things that belonged to the Royal family... Right now there you can see the piano of Tsarina Ioanna and a sewing work made by her...i could toch it... and i set down on the chairs which remained from the 30's when Tsar Boris was still alive.... (which you can see on the photos here)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: boyar on April 25, 2010, 11:15:38 AM
Royal Palace in Sofia

Alexander I's cabinet:
(http://stara-sofia.com/gravurkabinetbatemb.jpg)

(http://stara-sofia.com/batincab.jpg)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: boyar on January 07, 2012, 07:27:06 PM
Museum "Old Sofia" contains many of the personal belongings of the Bulgarian Royal Family. Unfortunately, currently the museum is not open for visitors, as it is being relocated into a new location. The museum collection includes:

Furniture from the Royal Palaces:
(http://www.dnevnik.bg/shimg/zx980_778141.jpg)

Clock given to Tsar Ferdinand I by Queen Victoria. The clock was once at Windsor Castle:
(http://www.dnevnik.bg/shimg/zx980_778153.jpg)

The Royal Carriage of Queen Marie Antoinette of France given to Tsar Ferdinand I:
(http://www.dnevnik.bg/shimg/zx980_778154.jpg)

(http://www.dnevnik.bg/shimg/zx980_778155.jpg)

(http://www.dnevnik.bg/shimg/zx980_778156.jpg)

Tsar Ferdinand Is desk given to him by Otto von Bismarck:
(http://www.dnevnik.bg/shimg/zx980_778158.jpg)

(http://www.dnevnik.bg/shimg/zx980_778157.jpg)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Marc on January 07, 2012, 08:15:58 PM
Wonderful photos Boyar!
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2012, 12:34:04 PM
Looking forward to the reopening on the museums.
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: amedeo on August 30, 2014, 04:17:06 PM
Hello, do you have the plan (ground floor or first floor) of Sofia royal palace? or other royal palaces such as Vrana, Euxinograd...
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on September 18, 2014, 03:12:40 AM
There are some plans of Vrana that can be found on the official site (http://vranapalace.bg/) of the palace:

The first floor (http://i58.tinypic.com/358cf4p.jpg)
The ground floor (http://i61.tinypic.com/149z14l.jpg)
The Orthodox Chapel (http://i61.tinypic.com/4rsx7s.jpg)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: amedeo on September 20, 2014, 05:18:45 AM
Thank you, very interesting!
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: amedeo on September 20, 2014, 07:27:06 AM
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/carlo_alberto/bulgarien_zps20dd24dc.jpg)

Tsar Ferdinand first lodge in Vrana
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: boyar on May 06, 2015, 07:58:42 PM
Documentary about the royal palaces in Bulgaria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kKEZzsAwN8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kKEZzsAwN8)
Title: Re: Bulgarian Royal Residences
Post by: boyar on September 30, 2015, 01:45:13 PM
The museum is now open to the public.

(http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz19/ivankrastevv/20150918_160227_zps6nfp5bxd.jpg)
(http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz19/ivankrastevv/20150918_160238_zps5ewnhegy.jpg)
(http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz19/ivankrastevv/20150918_160755_zpsa0uinxew.jpg)
(http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz19/ivankrastevv/20150918_160819_zps9elirfry.jpg)
(http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz19/ivankrastevv/20150918_160834_zpsjh5quyci.jpg)
(http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz19/ivankrastevv/20150918_160844_zpslttuau4r.jpg)
(http://s29.postimg.org/e5ln4i4o7/unnamed_32.jpg)