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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Rulers Prior to Nicholas II => Topic started by: Belochka on May 04, 2004, 11:01:17 PM

Title: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Belochka on May 04, 2004, 11:01:17 PM
There seems to be very little information about the two daughters who were born to Elizaveta Alexeevna.

Grand Duchess Maria b. 8.07.1800 in Tsarskoe Selo - died 12.05.1808 in SPb.

Grand Duchess Elizaveta b. 15.11.1806 in SPb - died 12.05.1808 in SPb.

There are strong inferences that both these girls were not Alexander's biological children. G.D.'s Marie's father was supposed to be Adam Czartoryski.

Alexander had 9 illegitimate children from 5 different women who were his lovers.

If we can accept these hypotheses then Alexander and his estranged spouse had no biological children together. The problem was compounded by the fact that there was no legitimate male heir to succeed Alexander I.

All my references are silent with regard to causes of death for either of the two Grand Duchessses.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: nerdycool on May 07, 2004, 02:01:20 PM
Yes, I agree that there isn't very much information about these two young Grand Duchesses. I couldn't find anything about them except their dates of birth and death. They both died within two years of birth, so one can expect that they died from a childhood illness like the measles or chicken pox, or took exceptionally ill to the flu or something else. Remember, back then, it was more common for children to not survive childhood due to the lack of medical knowledge and other factors involved.

The dates of their deaths above are slightly off according to the reference I used. They did not die on the same day in the same year.

Romanov, Marie Alexandrovna
Born: 29 MAY 1799
Died: 8 JUL 1800

Romanov, Elizabeth Alexandrovna
Born: 15 NOV 1806
Died: 12 MAY 1808

It doesn't say which calendar was used in determining these dates.

http://www3.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal01296
The link is to a site which takes a long time to load... be patient!

And while looking around, I didn't find any mention of Price Adam Czartoryski being the father of Grand Duchess Maria. I did find however, that he was indeed the lover of Empress Elizabeth Alexeyevna, but not until after the deaths of the Grand Duchesses. Prince Czartoryski was also a friend of Tsar Alexander I. He wrote some memoirs titled, Memoires et correspondence avec l'empereur Alexandre I. (Paris, 1887, -2 vols.)

http://www.xenophongi.org/rushistory/rulers/aleksandr1.htm
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Belochka on May 08, 2004, 12:42:14 AM
Hi nerdycool,

I went back to my reference about the D.O.B. of G.D. Maria. The dates are as provided lists all the Romanov Rulers. The website from which I printed the notes (in August of 2003) seems not to be available at the moment..

However Troyat in Alexander I does accord with the dates you give @ p 44 for G.D. Maria.

The inference about the possible paternity of Adam Czartoryski is illustrated at pp 44 - 45. The words the author used were ... now Adam C.'s career was definitively compromised.

The following Royal Genealogy site does not list any female children for Alexander I at:

http://ftp.cac.psu.edu/~saw/royal/x01.html

So the mystery deepens a bit further

;)

Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: nerdycool on May 08, 2004, 12:54:36 AM
Hmm.... that's very interesting. Things like this is what makes historians scratch their heads and go off looking for the real answers. Lol.... only if I could just go back in time to find out what really happened.....  ;D
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Belochka on May 08, 2004, 12:59:31 AM
Its very fustrating when there is so much conflicting information. For us who can only compare the various pieces of information can only hope that we are reasonably close to some truths.

;)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: kmerov on March 02, 2005, 06:05:27 PM
I havnt been able to find much information about the wife of Alexander I, so if anyone could post something about her, it would be much appreciated... :)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 02, 2005, 08:39:02 PM
From what I can remember, Elizaveta and Alexander did not have a good marriage. Alexander had many extra marital affairs which hurt her very much. Later she also got involved with someone else (see the link above), but it seems that it was only because she felt neglected by her husband. Later in life, A & E became more close and prior to Alexander's death, were more devoted to each other.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on March 03, 2005, 05:46:35 AM
Interesting topic!We know so little about her...
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 03, 2005, 08:00:15 AM
Here is a contemporary drawing of Elizaveta:           With Alexander I:

(http://img87.exs.cx/img87/5821/elizaveta9rg.png)(http://img87.exs.cx/img87/2174/elizavetaalexander2dm.png)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: kmerov on March 03, 2005, 06:10:03 PM
Thanks for all the info and pictures...
Does anyone know, how the people around her saw her?
And of any bio on her?
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: hikaru on March 05, 2005, 08:47:57 AM
Everybody admired her and loved her very much.
She went to Petersburg beeing very very yang ( in 13 year).
When she married to Alexandr , she was 14 years old and Alexandr was 15 years old.
Everybody around said that this was marriage of the two angels , because there is no such beaty in the earth.
Catherine the Great was very happy with their marriage and said that "Psichee is merrying to Amour"
They were young so much so they were more friends than family firstly, then they became almost strange to each other, but before the death of Alexandr their relations became the true and deep love relations between the husband and wife.

Everybody said that she had very good character: she was mild, kind and clever.


Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: kmerov on March 06, 2005, 04:38:21 PM
Thanks for the info :).
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 06, 2005, 04:56:38 PM
I wonder why Elizaveta Alexeievna looks so different in almost every picture!
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on March 07, 2005, 07:54:15 AM
Maybe this could be called freedom of the artist...  :)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 07, 2005, 08:25:58 AM
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Maybe this could be called freedom of the artist...  :)


Creative license is one thing, but she looks like at least four different people! Sometimes her hair is blond, sometimes it's brown. Her feautures too look very different from painting to painting... I wonder what she really looked like.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: hikaru on March 07, 2005, 09:47:14 AM
I think that the answer is in the 18th century and in the demand for the painters to write the portraits as well as  in the principal rules to make the portraits.
The main thing in the portraits of that epoque was not the resemblance to the original .
It was necessary to expresse the status of the person and the the atmosphere of this person ( i.e. if it is beaty so the canon of beauty of that period was painted etc )
some kind of fashion look of the year.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 07, 2005, 10:04:48 AM
An excellent explanation, one that most of us tend to forget. Thank you.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: hikaru on March 07, 2005, 10:12:08 AM
You are welcome. Thank you.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Lisa on March 13, 2005, 11:32:12 AM
1795 by Elisabeth Vigée-Lebrun:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/1795VIGEELEBRUN.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/File0019.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Lisa on March 13, 2005, 11:33:54 AM
1802 by Jean-Laurent Mosnier
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/1802MONNIERinGOREWA.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Lisa on March 13, 2005, 11:34:42 AM
1814 by Borovikovsky
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/1814BOROVIKOVSKILouvre.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: kmerov on March 13, 2005, 12:18:14 PM
Thank you very much Lisa, for posting those pictures. :)
The last two were new to me...
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Lisa on March 13, 2005, 12:37:20 PM
You're welcome!
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on March 18, 2005, 06:24:16 AM
Was she politically envolved?What was her life like after her husbands death and what were her relations with the rest of the family were like?
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Svetabel on March 21, 2005, 03:54:45 PM
Elizaveta Alexeevna was really a nice person. And very unhappy in her family life. As a result she had a love affair with a handsome staff-captain Alexey Okhotnikov. There were rumours that her youngest daughter Elizaveta (born 1806-died 1808 ) was not a child of EmperorAlexander but Okhotnikov. Unfortunate staff-captain died in 1807 after an attempt at his life. Many contemproraries considered that Alexander or his brother Konstantin had ordered to kill Okhotnikov.

All correspondence between Elizaveta and Alexey Okhotnikov (and some of her diaries) were obliterated by the Emperor Nikolay I after her death.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on March 22, 2005, 06:39:46 AM
Poor Empress,if one can say this...but she really looked like a nice person and a beautifull woman!
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Poppy on March 25, 2005, 06:06:46 AM
From http://www.rosizo.ru/eng/japan/i/pavlovsk/06.html

UNKNOWN ARTIST, early 19th century
Portrait of Empress Elizaveta Alexeevna. 1810s

(http://www.rosizo.ru/eng/japan/i/pavlovsk/06.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on March 25, 2005, 08:04:25 AM
Great portrait...
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: leanora on April 10, 2005, 08:19:12 PM
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Elizaveta Alexeevna was really a nice person. And very unhappy in her family life. As a result she had a love affair with a handsome staff-captain Alexey Okhotnikov. There were rumours that her youngest daughter Elizaveta (born 1806-died 1808 ) was not a child of EmperorAlexander but Okhotnikov. Unfortunate staff-captain died in 1807 after an attempt at his life. Many contemproraries considered that Alexander or his brother Konstantin had ordered to kill Okhotnikov.

All correspondence between Elizaveta and Alexey Okhotnikov (and some of her diaries) were obliterated by the Emperor Nikolay I after her death.


Svetabel,

Elisabeth Alexeevna's main lover was her husband's best friend, the prince Adam czatoryski...A polish prince, very handsome and clever.. and the first child of Alexander and Elisabeth (called Marie) was in fact the daughter of Adam and Elisabeth... a funny story talks about it...At the baptism of the little Marie, Paul, sniggering, asked to the princess Lieven "do you really think  that two fair-haired persones can give birth to a  dark-haired child"??

When Adam returned in Poland, Elisabeth found herself very lonely and she had a few love matches, not very long...and between them Okhotnikov...

I have just finished to read the wonderful biography of Alexander I by Henri Troyat... I love this book, and I advice it to everybody... The end of Elisabeth and Alexander 's lifes is very sad and romantic... after 32 years of a unhappy married life, they were very close from each other at the end, Alexander died in the arms of his wife ... Elisabeth died 3 months after
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: lexi4 on April 10, 2005, 10:20:08 PM
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Because I am eccentric.


You are great Grand Duke ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Svetabel on April 12, 2005, 10:06:14 AM
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Svetabel,

Elisabeth Alexeevna's main lover was her husband's best friend, the prince Adam czatoryski...A polish prince, very handsome and clever.. and the first child of Alexander and Elisabeth (called Marie) was in fact the daughter of Adam and Elisabeth... a funny story talks about it...At the baptism of the little Marie, Paul, sniggering, asked to the princess Lieven "do you really think  that two fair-haired persones can give birth to a  dark-haired child"??

When Adam returned in Poland, Elisabeth found herself very lonely and she had a few love matches, not very long...and between them Okhotnikov...

I have just finished to read the wonderful biography of Alexander I by Henri Troyat... I love this book, and I advice it to everybody... The end of Elisabeth and Alexander 's lifes is very sad and romantic... after 32 years of a unhappy married life, they were very close from each other at the end, Alexander died in the arms of his wife ... Elisabeth died 3 months after


Leanora, I just have finished a biography on Empress Elizaveta in Russian . It contains a chapter about her romance with Okhotnikov. Even GD Nikolay Mikhailovitch (who was able to search in the Imperial Archives) wrote about that romance. The book is "The Empress Elizaveta Alexeevna" by D.Ismail-Zade - very informative and worth-to-read edition!
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on April 12, 2005, 01:14:46 PM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/AdamCzart.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on April 12, 2005, 01:15:22 PM
Prince Adam Czartoryski!
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on April 12, 2005, 01:15:54 PM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/AdamCzartorisky.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on April 12, 2005, 01:16:42 PM
And one more portrait of Elizabeth's lover...  :)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Lisa on February 17, 2006, 04:35:18 AM
ELISABETH ALEXEIEVNA, Alexander I's wife:

circa 1795, by VIGEE LEBRUN, sorry for the quality: (http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7215/17951801vigeelebruncopie23yi.th.jpg) (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17951801vigeelebruncopie23yi.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9392/1795vigeelebrun4np.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1795vigeelebrun4np.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2629/179518007yi.th.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=179518007yi.jpg) ; a rare portrait at the Pskov museum after Vigée Lebrun (?) (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9294/1796vigeelebrunpskov1hm.th.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1796vigeelebrunpskov1hm.jpg)

1800's: by ROSSI (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3781/1800crossipietrodi7zm.th.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1800crossipietrodi7zm.jpg) ; (http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/8632/sanonymerusse7wp.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanonymerusse7wp.jpg) ; (http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4604/1800100ok.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1800100ok.jpg) ; 1802 MONIER (http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/553/1802monier7wk.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1802monier7wk.jpg) ; 1805 MONIER (http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/3775/artdecheliabinsk273cm182cm0or.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=artdecheliabinsk273cm182cm0or.jpg)

1810's:(http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2518/18106xs.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=18106xs.jpg) ; (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3900/1810sshmu8bi.th.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1810sshmu8bi.jpg) ; 1814 BOROVIKOVSKI (http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2613/1814borovikovskilouvre7uw.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1814borovikovskilouvre7uw.jpg) ; STRIKHOBRASOV (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/299/stikhobrasov5po.th.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stikhobrasov5po.jpg) ; (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9884/sanonymegatchina77cm625cm6dz.th.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanonymegatchina77cm625cm6dz.jpg) ; (http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/3212/1810205qn.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1810205qn.jpg) ; 1815 At the Vienna Congress by ISABEY (http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5803/1815isabeyvieeneartsgraphiques.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1815isabeyvieeneartsgraphiques.jpg)

1820-25: (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/702/s3sf.th.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s3sf.jpg) ; (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5885/sanonyme2vm.th.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanonyme2vm.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Stanczyk on February 27, 2006, 06:33:27 AM
This is not a portrait of Czartoryski (the first one). Another is the portrait of Adam Zamoyski. As I know, the original disappeared  during WWII  from  Blue Palace in Warsaw (Zamoyski Mansion). If You find the color reproduction of this portrait, could you  indicate, where are.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: imperial angel on March 15, 2006, 11:01:17 AM
You never hear much about these girls, and no doubt they died from some common illness, and it may not even be known what. Since they were not male heirs such things went unrecorded, at least widely. I don't think this stuff is rather unknown because they were illegitimate. It is hard to say if they were, but it might not be likely, he might not have been her lover until later. Even if they were illegitimate they would have been called legitimate, so this doesn't explain the lack of information on them. No doubt it wasn't seen as important.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gogm on March 17, 2006, 02:29:38 PM
In the picture 1814 BOROVIKOVSKI of Elisabeth Alexeivna posted by Lisa, the sleeves look like a flashback to the 1750s while the bodice looks like a preview of the 1840s.

[img=http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9196/1814elisabethalexeievna7uw4wx.th.jpg] (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1814elisabethalexeievna7uw4wx.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on March 18, 2006, 07:10:21 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/aczartoryski.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on March 18, 2006, 07:12:23 PM
I found this portrait somewhere on the web as Prince Adam Czartoryski
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on March 18, 2006, 08:39:20 PM
Am glad that Elizaveta had a lover, because back then "men" only were allowed to have mistresses, but i love it when a royal lady founds herself a lover. ;) sadly she known as a whore. >:( unfair!
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: imperial angel on April 10, 2006, 10:42:37 AM
She was quite a beautiful Empress, that's true. She did have those lovers, and it's very likely that neither of her children ''with Alexander'' were his.  He had bastard children as well, I've read, but they never had children together, more than officialy. Yet both seemed able to have children. This marriage which was hailed as such a great match quickly went sour, although he was closer to Elizabeth before his death, or was that before he disapeared to became Feodor Kuzmitch? There is a sad lack of biographies of her in English.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 10, 2006, 10:55:05 AM
I agree, turn about is fair play. Glad she had "boyfriends".  AND, I do not know who the porrtait depicts in post #33, but I would have had an affair with him !
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: imperial angel on April 10, 2006, 11:33:48 AM
It seems that many Royal women in Russia had affairs within marriage early on, and not so much later. I think they had in general many more extra marital affairs than most Royal women of the time. It seemed to be  more acceptable in Russia than elsewhere. What does anybody else think?
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Lisa on May 07, 2006, 08:42:52 AM

Elsabeth Alexeievna by Elisabeth Vigée-Lebrun about 1796 (Hermitage Museum):
                           (http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8127/photo0622hn.th.jpg) (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photo0622hn.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yseult on February 11, 2007, 07:19:56 AM
Last weeks, I was searching for info about tsar Alexander I and I began to wonder myself about his long-standing mistress, Maria Naryskhina, born Maria Swiatopolk-Czetwertynska. Alexander had another women, but Maria seems to have been a favourite during more than thirteen years and she borne him two daughters and one son.

Elizabeth Alexeyevna, born Louisa of Baden, was a beautiful creature, with a gentle and compassionate nature, clever mind and sweet manners. It´s so strange the way Alexander neglected through the years the alluring tsarina. I´m interested in pictures and info about Maria...
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: imperial angel on February 12, 2007, 10:43:17 AM
Yes, he did neglect her quite a bit at first, despite the fact the marriage was said to start out a love match, even if arranged for dynastic reasons. I have read that they just didn't have much to sustain it, and even though the Tsarina was alluring, he went out and had that mistress, and she was certainly bound to Prince Adam C( whatever his name is), through the years. In the end, their marriage did become closer, when they both were getting older. They didn't die so far apart, either. Elizabeth certainly didn't have any problems with his affairs, but maybe she herself didn't understand why he didn't feel what he perhaps should have for her. He had a very beloved daughter by that mistress, who died at 18, and that caused him great distress. I don't think the other children even lived to be that old.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yseult on March 23, 2007, 08:10:53 AM
I know there are one old thread on Elizaveta and another thread on the death of Alexander I containning a good deal of valuable information, but I wish to start a discussion about the end of the empress.

I was reading the entry on Wikipedia about Elizaveta (=Louise Marie Auguste of Baden), when I was touched by these words written by the empress to her mother three days after the misterious death of Alexander: "Do not worry too much about me, but  if I dared, I would like to follow the one who has been my very life". These words made feel deeply impressed, cause the couple Alexander&Elizaveta had such a strange relationship...they were ofter near, often far away, sometimes so close, sometimes so apart one from another, and, at the end, they shared a strong bond and a misterious fate.

What do you think about this?
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: ivanushka on March 23, 2007, 11:46:22 AM
Hi Yseult.  Good choice of post.  I've always found Elizabeth an interesting character, and her relationship with her husband was interesting too. 

It must have been very bewildering for a girl of only about fourteen from the minor state of Baden to marry the heir to the Russian Empire, particularly as her younger sister came with her to marry Alexander's brother, Constantine, but was then sent home again (though she later married Gustavus IV of Sweden so she still made a grand match!).  Judging from portraits, Elizabeth was a beautiful woman, and she seems to have been a charming and likeable one too, but for some reason her marriage to Alexander never seemed to work.  I think a lot of this must be down to Alexander who seems to have been a very enigmatic personality whom nobody seemed to know very well.  I suspect that Elizabeth would have liked nothing more than to have had a happy and faithful marriage but it was not to be, and the fact that none of her children survived infancy can't have helped strengthen the bond between them.

That said, they do seem to have remained friends and it's nice that they ended their lives being very close.   
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yseult on March 23, 2007, 12:33:51 PM
Well, I think Friederike of Baden had good luck when she was sent home again. Poor Juliana of Saxe-Coburg paid the price of marrying Constantine ;)
Turning back to Elizaveta, I find so touched the letters where she expressed her love to Alexander. Elizaveta was a neglected wife, she was really alone and she confessed her life had been a never ending winter. But she must have had a great heart and, for sure, she loved deeply Alexander.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: ivanushka on May 31, 2007, 07:29:05 AM
Yes, I think Frederika was lucky too - but only to a degree.  I don't think her marriage to Gustavus was very happy and they separated later in life.  I don't think Gustavus was the easiest of characters, but probably not quite as difficult as Constantine!
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Svetabel on December 17, 2007, 03:44:09 AM
Last weeks, I was searching for info about tsar Alexander I and I began to wonder myself about his long-standing mistress, Maria Naryskhina, born Maria Swiatopolk-Czetwertynska. Alexander had another women, but Maria seems to have been a favourite during more than thirteen years and she borne him two daughters and one son.

 I´m interested in pictures and info about Maria...

Maria Naryshkina

(http://www.picatom.com/c/031-9-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/c/031-9.html)



Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: ivanushka on December 30, 2007, 09:40:19 AM
I've always got the impression that Elizabeth, though beautiful and sweet natured, was a little too placid a character for Alexander.  He seems to have been attracted to more high spirited women - and his favourite sister, Catherine, was also high spirited and very flirtatious.  It's nice that the two of them did seem to develop a close friendship, particularly towards the end of their lives.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: rusmila on December 13, 2008, 08:40:15 AM
Alexander and Elizabeth didnt have a good marige.They be unhappy because Chaterina the Great wonted the marry Alexander when he ws young with Elizabeth.When they are marry he had a 16 and Elizabeth she had a 14.Elizabeth had a lovers name Chartoriskiy and Ohotnikov and of course Alexander had a lover name Mariya Narishkina.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on December 13, 2008, 09:44:34 AM
Maria was born a Princess,did she and Elizabeth ever met eachother?And perhaps the marriage between Russian Grand Duke with Princess Swiatopolk would be treated like morganatic(similar case with Hohenzollern/Radziwill even though Radziwills had much more equal claims)?
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Svetabel on December 13, 2008, 10:37:03 AM
Maria was born a Princess,did she and Elizabeth ever met eachother?

Of course they met each other at the court balls and other official entertainments. Maria was once so tactless that said to the Empress about her pregnancy and the Empress certainly knew WHO was the causer of this pregnancy.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Svetabel on December 13, 2008, 10:40:03 AM
And perhaps the marriage between Russian Grand Duke with Princess Swiatopolk would be treated like morganatic(similar case with Hohenzollern/Radziwill even though Radziwills had much more equal claims)?

Yes, the Romanov/Swiatopolk marriage would be a mesalliance.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on December 13, 2008, 11:57:26 PM
Thank you Sveta,interesting would be to know if Elizabeth hated her or no since she also had lovers and she could be at that time indifferent towards her estranged husbands mistresses...
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Svetabel on December 14, 2008, 02:40:56 AM
Thank you Sveta,interesting would be to know if Elizabeth hated her or no since she also had lovers and she could be at that time indifferent towards her estranged husbands mistresses...

I think the Empress could hate Maria but more likely Maria just disturbed her and Elizaveta felt humiliated by her husband who let his lover to behave tactlessly.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on December 14, 2008, 01:13:52 PM
You could be right,it's not so much about love as it could be a matter of position and respect for the sovereign couple...The Empress might not hate her personally but just feel a bit offended...
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: ivanushka on December 17, 2008, 09:25:26 PM
I've always felt sorry for Elizabeth Alexeyevna.  By all accounts she was both beautiful and charming and most monarchs would have been delighted to have had someone like her for a wife.  It must also have been hard to arrive in Russia at the age of only 13 and and then see her sister Frederika (who was put forward as a possible wife for Constantine) sent back to Baden as being unsuitable.  Having to deal with the magnificent Russian court all alone when coming from humble Baden must have been difficult 

Admittedly, Frederika did very well in ultimately marrying Gustavus IV of Sweden but it's still sad that the two sisters were separated.  By all accounts the royal family of Baden was a close one and it's a shame the two sisters were separated.  Incidentally and interestingly, Elizabeth's mother, Amalie of Hesse Darmstadt, was an elder sister of Paul's first wife, Wilhemina, and was one of the three sisters sent to Russia in the early 1770s as a possible wife for Paul. 
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on January 24, 2009, 05:19:37 AM
Grand Duchess Elizabeth Alexeievna. A. Ritt, 1795

(http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/44113/2503600800061759156S600x600Q85.jpg)

Empress Elizabeth Alexeievna, 1817

(http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/43186/2890789740061759156S600x600Q85.jpg)

She is my favourite Empress.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on January 25, 2009, 11:02:25 PM
She's also my favorite empress.  ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yseult on January 26, 2009, 11:26:03 AM
My favourite portrait of this beautiful empress:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/elizavetaalexeievnaespofa1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: beladona on January 26, 2009, 03:37:19 PM
In this picture she is wonderful..probably little idealised...but never mind...wonderful portrait!
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: imperial angel on January 26, 2009, 03:52:12 PM
That's my favorite portrait of her as well.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: AlexandersDaughter on January 28, 2009, 02:45:08 AM
She looks so beautiful in all of them!
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: imperial angel on February 02, 2009, 02:04:02 AM
I think she was the most beautiful Empress consort, except for Alexandra, wife of Nicholas II. Yet she didn't have a very happy marriage or life, not even having living children ( she had two daughters that died infancy).
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 13, 2009, 04:50:20 AM
I´ve heard Pushkin was in love with her.... :)

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/th_elalex.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/elalex.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on February 24, 2009, 06:48:09 AM
I´ve heard Pushkin was in love with her.... :)

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/th_elalex.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/elalex.jpg)

Well. there is a theory that EA was Pushkin`s secret and only love. He had a lot of flirts and love affairs, he was even happily married  to natasha Goncharova but it was EA who captured his heart forever. no plausible evidence, though. larisa vasil`eva tried to show Elizaveta`s presence in his life and poems but I think she was trying to adjust facts to her theory. If anyone is interested in this issue i will present basic assumptions of her theory.
also, there was a thread on EA ( three years ago), I think she deserves our attention here. extraordianry woman, underestimated, though
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: imperial angel on February 24, 2009, 07:09:03 AM
I'm interested in her theory. I think instead of being underestimated EA is just plain forgotten so much of the time. Perhaps she would have been more remembered had she had children who inheirited the throne, as all the other consorts did. She was a beauty, though.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on February 24, 2009, 11:21:14 PM
Well, before I start presenting the theory of Puhkin`s secret love for EA I have to point out it is all nonsense to me. no evidence,just some assumptions like "she must have seen" or "he might have done" athough it is hardly possible to imagine that anyone would openly express feelings for the Tzarina.yes,she was revered but loved as a woman??? her being the Empress entailed divinity,and no mortal could approach her. larisa vasil`eva thinks that the most prominent Russian poet was actually supposed to be in love with such a person as EA. the king of poetry and the Empress...scholars argue who was puhkin`s secret love. they came up with quite a few suggections,and  EA is the one of them. in her book WIFE AND MUSE (in russian, dealing with EA as Ai`s wife and Puhkin` s muse) vasil`eva analysis pushkin` s life, poems,diaries and EA`s life as well.
1. as we know pushkin studied in tsarskoe selo. when EA and AI look through the list of students in   1811.      she might have paid attention to his date of birth 26.05.1799 because her daughter liza wa born 18.05.1799. DID HE REALLY PAY ATTENTION?
2. the next day,during inauguration, she might have cast a longer look at the curly boy, and so did he.pushkin must have known it was not just an incidental meeting. he realized that there was some deep reason for her looking at him so attentively. AE was present at the inauguration but who knows what actually happened there?

3. pushkin`s school is situated in one of the wings of the tzar`s palace so he often sees her walking with her sister or ladies-in-waiting. they might have had a conversation.
4. 1815. 28.11.1815.EA comes back to tsarskoe s elo from abroad. 29.11. pushkin writes a poem where he says about being happy but 28.11 he was not. why? becaue he saw EA only 29.11 as she did not want any official greeting ceremonies.

5. 1816. EA oftenvisits karamzin`s houe in tsarskoe selo and so does pushkin. they MUST have met, says vasil`eva and asks enigmatically: "what kind of meetings did they have?"
6. 1818.pushkin is seriously ill. when he is half awake he has a vision of a certain lady.it must have been her!


the whole  book i s  packed with similar " facts "(chroniologically  ). this may testify to vasileva`s extensive knowledge of pushkin`s poetry and life as well as EA`s biography. but for me it` just adjustment of facts to fit a theory.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: imperial angel on February 24, 2009, 11:42:18 PM
Yes, it seems dubious. I wish I could read the book, but I don't read Russian. Elizabeth A though did have affairs- can't remember the name of the man who was her main lover for many years, and allegedly the father of one or both of her children.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on February 25, 2009, 06:38:18 AM
Larisa Vasol`eva openly admitts that he has no documents, memories, letters or anything else in black & white. the person who came up with this theory was the curator of pushkin`s mueum in mikhailovskoe, but in the Soviet period he did not dare  to come up with any theorie of this sort. THE MOST PROMINENT RUIAN POET AND THE TSARINA?! INCONCEIVABLE!!!! Vasil`eva thinks that this curator MIGHT HAVE HAD SUCH DOCUMENTS. again a lot of modal verbs expresing probability. it COULD HAVE BEEN an excellent grammar exercise for me when I was learning English. :)

As for EA`s lovers, she was in love with Alexey Okhotnikov, a military man, murdered. they say that she even contributed to the design of a monument on his grave.
http://taunt.ru/Aleksandro-Nevskaya_lavra/Ohotnikov/ - visit this site if you `d like to see the monument. isn`t it beautiful?

the econd man was the Polish prince Adam Czartoryski. He speaks very warmly of her in his memories, he also admires her for courage after Pavel`s assasination. He did love her, he did. I will tell about their relationships on the basis of his diaries. just give me time.
please, refer to Dmitriy Merezhkovskij` ALEXANDER i. though it is fiction, it is based on authentic materials (archives). the book tells a lot abot Elizavet`s inner life
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on February 26, 2009, 07:52:19 AM
Elizaveta alexxevna and the life of her heart -PART 2


when I have to write about people from the past`s private lives I  feel uneasy because they can`t defend themselvses , they can`t refute rumors or incorrect information. so i`m trying to be really careful while writing about so called life of the heart. while EA`s relationship with Alexei Okhotnikov is still a mystery, her feelings for the Polish prince Adam Czartoryski seem to be very much clear although e.g. she does not mention him in his correspondence with her mother who she unconditionally trusted. may be, it was due too the fact that her correpondence (as well as that of the otherRomanovs) was regularly read by appropriate officials? anyway, adam czartoryski did love her for many years. he was a close friend of AI, also he shared AI`s liberal ideas before AI ascended the throne and after he became the emperor. when on 18.05.1799 EA gives birth to a girl called masha (EA calls her Mauschen
, she writes her mother :"The baby is delightful.She asks everybody to forgive her for being a girl") the court started to rumor that masha was czartiryski`s daughter. pavel I was infuriated and asked when fair-haired parents (Alexander &EA) have a dark-haired baby. EA`s b lady-in-waiting answered:"God is omnipotent!".       accoring to pavel`s order, czartoryski was sent away from st.petersburg andeturned after pavel`s assasination.inhismemories, he appreciates EA`s behavior on the night of assasination. in his opinion , she was the only calm and level-headed person that night (she was only 22). Alexander was scared and distressed, she suppoted him and persuaded him to accept the impeial crown. we do not know  lot about EA`s and Czatoryski`s relationships. Even if she DID love him she peceived her loveless marriage as a duty.
their relationships were resumed in 1815 , during the Vientna congress. AI , though infaithful himself and a father of a few illegitimate childen, was jealous. He was jealous because EA who humbly tolerated his big and small affairs, including the one with mnaryshkina, was adored by another man! henri troyat claims that it was due to these feelings between EA and czartoryski that AI decided not to appoint czatoyski to the post of the governer of Polish kingdom.
EA and Cz. must have loved each other but she was a dutiful wife and czrina. Czatortorski wrote in his diary on 03.10.1814 in vienna: “ I see her so much chalinged but our feelings are the same” 03.12.1814: “ Hece body and face have change but her soul is angelic”
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on February 27, 2009, 08:19:46 AM
Portrait of Alexey Okhotnikov.

(http://pics.livejournal.com/catherine_catty/pic/0000a36f/s640x480)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 20, 2009, 06:01:19 AM
Imperial couple

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Family%20life/th_AlexandrI-1.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Family%20life/AlexandrI-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 20, 2009, 06:12:04 AM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Family%20life/792310bbca8a.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Ally Kumari on June 23, 2009, 05:43:34 AM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Romanovs/th_2020D090D0BBD0B5D0BAD181D0B5D0B5D0B.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Romanovs/2020D090D0BBD0B5D0BAD181D0B5D0B5D0B.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on July 05, 2009, 02:06:05 AM
Portrait of Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, 1801.

(http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/3/12/337/12337254_33ww7.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: bednayaliza on September 14, 2009, 09:48:39 AM
A story about Elisaveta and Ohotnikov from Адъютанты любви  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP2Xdqyzf1A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP2Xdqyzf1A)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on September 14, 2009, 02:22:38 PM
busts of alexander I and Elizaveta in Alexander Palace

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/DSCN1224.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on September 14, 2009, 02:55:53 PM
a portrait hanging in Alexander palace

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/DSCN1223.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 15, 2009, 01:14:08 AM
pretty. :)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on May 12, 2010, 01:56:38 AM
I found this portrait in the internet and I was wondering if this is Elizaveta Alexeievna or another member of a royal family. Is this Elizaveta?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/lunarmaiden10/EAunknown.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 27, 2010, 11:29:35 AM
She was one of the most beautiful ladies that I've ever seen.
Some pics
I wonder if this is her coronation dress
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/YelizavetaA.jpg)
A statue
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/StatueTsarina.jpg)
The Empress
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/Elizaveta.jpg)
Small portrait
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/InBlack.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 27, 2010, 11:34:20 AM
So fashionable
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/ElizAle.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/RedDressEl.jpg)
with Alexander in 1815
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/1815.jpg)
In mourning
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/Mourning.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 27, 2010, 11:46:43 AM
Yelizaveta
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/Yelizavetra.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/elizaveta-1.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/Alexeievna.jpg)
A bit bigger
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/EmpressMirror.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 27, 2010, 12:04:51 PM
At 1817
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/EmpressEA.jpg)
Other
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/EAlexeievna.jpg)
Empress
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/RussianEmpress.jpg)
Beautiful Woman
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/BeautifulEA.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: THERRY on May 27, 2010, 01:03:13 PM
A lot of beautiful paintings !!! Thanks
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 27, 2010, 02:28:32 PM
Two more...
Yelizaveta
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/EmpressElizabeth.jpg)
Widow
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/WidowEmpress.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on May 27, 2010, 05:24:27 PM
Very beautiful, Kaiserin Alzbeta Sissi; you've posted several portraits of Empress Elizaveta that I'd never seen before.  Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on May 27, 2010, 06:41:31 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/4645640103_2626507b1e_o.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4645639945_58629c13be_o.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/4646300338_3931f58a28_o.jpg)

Elizaveta Alexeievna
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on May 27, 2010, 10:27:59 PM
The Empress Elizabeth is one of my favorite Romanov. She is a beautiful woman with a good character. The Russian people admired her. When Elizabeth was compared to the beautiful and lively Queen Louise of Prussia, the French ambassador Joseph de Maistre commented: "The Queen may be a more beautiful woman, but the Empress is a more beautiful sovereign." But I find it hard to think that a charming person like her failed to endear her to the rest of the imperial family. We know that Elizabeth had a shy and withdrawn personality, but I've read that she was rather intolerant to those people she didn't like (e.g Paul I).

Here are some more portraits of the Empress:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/lunarmaiden10/2735643980061759156nybmAz_ph.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/lunarmaiden10/2499750290061759156JKYHTk_ph.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/lunarmaiden10/2311602380061759156PhjWmc_ph.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/lunarmaiden10/2670022760061759156hCkRRC_fs.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on May 27, 2010, 11:32:36 PM
She's one of my favorite Romanovs too, gem_10, and probably the most beautiful of the empresses (in my opinion, at least).

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4646827314_e418c30cb0_o.jpg)

Here's a portrait of Elizaveta with Alexander I.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 28, 2010, 01:19:02 PM
You're welcome Dru, and thanks to you and to gem_10 for posting those wonderful portraits
It was posted before, but now in color
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/AlexandrElizaveta.jpg)
Another with Alexander
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/ImperialCouple.jpg)
the Tsarina
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/Elizabeta.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 28, 2010, 01:21:25 PM
So pretty
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/1805Elizaveta.jpg)
The young lady
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/Alexeyevna.jpg)
I found this as her, I wonder if she is wearing a traditional suit or something like this?
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/LuisaDeBaden.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 28, 2010, 01:22:55 PM
In color
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/HatElizabeth.jpg)
The Tsarina
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/EmpressRussia.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/Tsaritsa.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on May 30, 2010, 12:13:23 AM
 Portrait of the Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna.

Unknown artist of the second half of the XIX century.

(http://www.rulex.ru/rpg/WebPict/fullpic/0096-110.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on May 30, 2010, 12:29:38 AM
Small portrait
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/InBlack.jpg)

The author of this portrait of the Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna - Alois Rokshtul, 1817.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on May 30, 2010, 01:03:35 AM
Portrait of the Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna.
Engraving Vendramini a portrait by Louis de Saint-Aubin, 1808.

(http://pics.livejournal.com/catherine_catty/pic/000q4p1e)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on May 30, 2010, 06:27:43 AM
Elizaveta Alekseevna is one of my favorite female members of the Romanov dynasty. Sadly, she was underestimated by the Romanovs,her contemporaries and by the following generations. she was neglected by her husband but fortunately he duly appreciated her at the end of his life. her role as an empress was diminished by the dowager empress maria feodorovna who took the leading role in the imperial household.
i`ve often been thinking why alexander 1 didn`t love his charming and intelligent wife.

1. they got married very early as catherine the great wanted her grandson to marry at an early age to create a counterbalance to her son`s court. they were two immature teenagers, he was 15,she was 13. how could 2 kids unaware of life and love form a functional relationship?! some time prior to their wedding in her letters to her mother elizaveta alexeevna admitted that she kissed alexander`s cheek and admitted that "it was so strange to kiss a man who wasn`t my father or uncle". i `m not trying to justify alexander pavlovich but it`s natural for a young man who married so unbelievably early to get to know other women just out of curiosity. they both were forced into a relationship that they probably didn`t want and were not ready for. they took to each other, they even liked each other. but was this love? impossible for a teenager. what they felt was infatuation that the two youngsters felt for each other. they were young and beautiful so mutual excitement was natural.

2. the fact that elizaveta aleexevna might have had other lovers e.g.okhotnikov or adam czartoryski doesn`t surprise me.she was longing for love that she couldn`t get from her husband.  she was faithful to him and only having lost her hope for her husband`s feeling she turned to other men.

3. i think aleksander felt somewhat inferior as his wife was psychologically stronger. on the night of the murder of paul 1 elizaveta aleevna was, according to adam czartoryski, at this difficult moment she was the only one who stayed calm. what is more, "she was the only authority during this night". alexander was frightned, and witnesses saw him crying on her shoulder. he must have felt humiliated as he was so powerless so weak and didn`t meet requirements of a leader of the nation. he was simplyuncofortable in her presence as she saw the weakest aspect of his personality.

4. alexander simply wasn`t her equal so turned to other women who looked up to him. he simply felt uneasy in her presence. he wasn`t strong enough to be her partner 
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 31, 2010, 01:03:09 PM
Alexandrina-Sofia, thanks for the info about the painter!
Two pics of the Empress
This was posted before but not full
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/ElAl.jpg)
The Tsarina
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/ElizabethRussia.jpg)
(not her best)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Janet Ashton on June 02, 2010, 07:15:49 AM


3. i think aleksander felt somewhat inferior as his wife was psychologically stronger. on the night of the murder of paul 1 elizaveta aleevna was, according to adam czartoryski, at this difficult moment she was the only one who stayed calm. what is more, "she was the only authority during this night". alexander was frightned, and witnesses saw him crying on her shoulder. he must have felt humiliated as he was so powerless so weak and didn`t meet requirements of a leader of the nation. he was simplyuncofortable in her presence as she saw the weakest aspect of his personality.

4. alexander simply wasn`t her equal so turned to other women who looked up to him. he simply felt uneasy in her presence. he wasn`t strong enough to be her partner  

I am not sure I'd agree that Elizabeth's and Alexander's reactions to Paul's death necsesearily show to be stronger than him. After all, Paul was Alexander's father and he was aware of the plots, so it was natural for him to feel confusion, fear, grief and remorse and so on to a far greater degree than Elizabeth did. People who knew them later in life thought she was actualy afraid of him, so I  wonder what that indicates!?

It seems to me that perhaps - as you say - this couple were thrown together too young and came to view one another more as brother and sister than anything else - or at least this is the way A saw E. She has witnessed too many dark family moments with him, knew too much about him for him to be comfortable, and lacked the mystery he wanted in a lover. THis doesn't necessarily sugegst to me that he felt she was stronger than he though. One of the main criticisms made of her at court was that she was cold and shy, and I am sure this was a factor - she was simply not the type of happy, flirtatious woman he wanted. In the early days, he got along very well with Anna F., and this may show us what sort of girl he appreciated - though in my view she was an air-head and oviously far inferior in character and intellect to Eliabeth! :-)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on June 02, 2010, 10:34:16 AM
I think Alexander liked women who possess a lively personality, a woman who 'worship' him and make him feel that he was strong and reliable. For example, Maria Naryshkina and his sister Ekaterina Pavlovna. Accounts say that Maria was indeed a very beautiful and attractive woman. She was not ambitious and demanding like other mistresses and had no interest in politics. But she was not intelligent as Elizabeth and was rather superficial. Ekaterina was rather temperamental but vivacious and very pretty, and Alexander doted on her very much. Alexander was also linked with Queen Louise of Prussia but I think their relationship was more platonic and Alexander deeply admired her (although I've read that Queen Louise had a slight tendency for coquetry. please correct me if I'm wrong about this. ). I've also read similar things about Alexander and Anna Feodorovna, that they got on quite well, but Anna was viewed at court as rather frivolous. Now I wonder why Elizabeth and Anna, though different in character, got on pretty well.  :-\
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: ivanushka on June 02, 2010, 10:46:51 AM
Now I wonder why Elizabeth and Anna, though different in character, got on pretty well.  :-\

I would imagine it was because at some level they did have a lot in common.  Both had had to leave large families at a young age and live in a rich, powerful and probably rather intimidating court.  I've also always had the impression that Maria Feodorovna was never terribly welcoming to her daughers in law.  Finally Anna was married to Constantine who, by all accounts, was a bit of a nightmare as a husband in those early years.  Elizabeth probably felt sorry for Anna having to deal with him.  Also both were German and could talk to each other in their native tongue about their native land. 
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: CountessKate on June 02, 2010, 04:26:26 PM
The intrepid Irish sisters, Martha and Katherine Wilmot, encountered Elizabeth during their travels in Russia which covered serveral years.  Martha, a young Irish friend of the Princess Dashkov, first saw Elizabeth when she been Empress for only a couple of years, in July 1803, and wrote that she was "tall, fair, and would be pretty, only for a dreadful scurvy she has in her face; her dress was a lilac round gown of slight silk always flowing on the ground which is quite Russian, a shawl and a lace veil thrown over her head which was all the covering it had and is the usual head dress of the higher orders while they wear shawls and long cloaks like Celia's [possibly a friend or relation] rug only of silk wadded covering their shoulders down to their heels..."(I'm sorry, but I had to put in the wonderful description of her clothes!).  Some years later, in 1805, Katherine Wilmot had a proper audience and this time there was no scurvy (perhaps a nervous rash?); instead, the "Empress is the loveliest creature I almost ever saw...She was dress'd in white embroidery and immense pearls in her beautiful light brown hair.  she has the humility, modesty and sweetness of an Angel in her demeanour, & when we were presented & would fain have kissed her hand she struggled from the ceremony & in her turn stoop'd down & kiss'd our cheeks.  She spoke french to all, except one Russian lady to whom she spoke Russ.  Her voice is very sweet and low, & she speaks as quick as lightening.  Appropriate trifles were all of course she utter'd.  She ask'd me 'how I lik'd Petersburg' & hoped it 'had given me a good impression'.  I said 'it had', (was that not witty?).  She said 'she had heard of my sister at Moscow [Martha] & that she understood I intended soon to take a long journey for the gratification of seeing her.  I said 'yea'! & that I only delay'd at Petersb. for the honor of being presented to her imperial majesty.  She then bow'd, & after staying about qr of an hour (all parties standing in a semi-circle by her) she withdrew with a mob of attendants at her heels, lovely and interesting elegant creature that she is!”
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on June 02, 2010, 04:34:44 PM


3. i think aleksander felt somewhat inferior as his wife was psychologically stronger. on the night of the murder of paul 1 elizaveta aleevna was, according to adam czartoryski, at this difficult moment she was the only one who stayed calm. what is more, "she was the only authority during this night". alexander was frightned, and witnesses saw him crying on her shoulder. he must have felt humiliated as he was so powerless so weak and didn`t meet requirements of a leader of the nation. he was simplyuncofortable in her presence as she saw the weakest aspect of his personality.

4. alexander simply wasn`t her equal so turned to other women who looked up to him. he simply felt uneasy in her presence. he wasn`t strong enough to be her partner  

I am not sure I'd agree that Elizabeth's and Alexander's reactions to Paul's death necsesearily show to be stronger than him. After all, Paul was Alexander's father and he was aware of the plots, so it was natural for him to feel confusion, fear, grief and remorse and so on to a far greater degree than Elizabeth did. People who knew them later in life thought she was actualy afraid of him, so I  wonder what that indicates!?

It seems to me that perhaps - as you say - this couple were thrown together too young and came to view one another more as brother and sister than anything else - or at least this is the way A saw E. She has witnessed too many dark family moments with him, knew too much about him for him to be comfortable, and lacked the mystery he wanted in a lover. THis doesn't necessarily sugegst to me that he felt she was stronger than he though. One of the main criticisms made of her at court was that she was cold and shy, and I am sure this was a factor - she was simply not the type of happy, flirtatious woman he wanted. In the early days, he got along very well with Anna F., and this may show us what sort of girl he appreciated - though in my view she was an air-head and oviously far inferior in character and intellect to Eliabeth! :-)

Janet, thanks for your response. I don`t claim to know everything about elizaveta alexeevna who is one of my favorite Romanovs. I read quite a lot about her although there isn`t too much information on her. her diaries were burnt by nikolay I. her letters to her mother, landgravine of baden nee Hesse-Darmstadt, however have been preserved. there is also a marvelos book on her by grand duke nikolay mikhailovitch. a russian writer dmitriy merezhkovskiy wrote a series of essays on some historical figures , including elizaveta alexeevna.these essays were based on the materials in the archives.  
I formed my opinion on the basis of the afore-mentioned sources. i think she was stronger than her husband. this is the impression i get from the works that i have read.

I do agree that Alexander needed someone who would be flirtatious and look up to him. thats why i think that he was a very weak person, not being able to stand someone who was his intellectual equal and didn`t entertain him.  for me, this is an indication of alexander`s phobias and fears.

i do agree that he treated her as a sisiter. some of the court members confirm this fact e.g. countess varvara golovina.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on June 02, 2010, 05:06:49 PM
Now I wonder why Elizabeth and Anna, though different in character, got on pretty well.  :-\

I would imagine it was because at some level they did have a lot in common.  Both had had to leave large families at a young age and live in a rich, powerful and probably rather intimidating court.  I've also always had the impression that Maria Feodorovna was never terribly welcoming to her daughers in law.  Finally Anna was married to Constantine who, by all accounts, was a bit of a nightmare as a husband in those early years.  Elizabeth probably felt sorry for Anna having to deal with him.  Also both were German and could talk to each other in their native tongue about their native land. 

As for speaking German, I strongly doubt that Elizaveta Aleexevna spoke German with Anna. I remember Elizaveta Alexeevna wrote her mother about her problems with writing in German. I do agree however why the two got on very well. when julia of coburg came to russia with her mother and sisters she vivdly remembered herself a few years before,when she came to st.petersburg as a 13-yearold girl. in a letter to her mother, 26.10.1795, on the eve of the duchess of coburg`s departure for coburg (julia was to stay in russia) :" I imagine myself in Julia`s shoes".
30.10.1795. - "the duchess of coburg has left! Oh, my God! their parting reminded me of our parting! When the mother embraced Julia for the last time, i felt as if it was all happening to me."
Also, when Catherine II died and pavel ascended the throne, elizaveta and anna spent a lot of time together. they were united in their lack of acceptanc e of pavel`s reign and a new regime. letter of 29.01.1797 : " horrible times! my only consolation is Anna, i `m anna`s consolation. she spends almost all her time in my place..."

Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on June 03, 2010, 06:16:47 AM
E A was respected by e.g. members of decembrist society e.g. Pavel Bestzhev-Ryumin in his files during investigation admitted that " a good deal of people whose views matter for public opinion expressed an intention to make E A ascend the throne". Another decembrist , Pavek Shtejngel, wrote a political manifesto in the morning of 14.12. 1825 declaring VIVA  EMPRESS ELIZAVETA II AND OUR MOTHERLAND !
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on June 04, 2010, 04:09:39 AM
I want to know more about the relationship between Elizabeth and Adam Czartoryski. Did they really become lovers? Are there evidences that pertain to that? I have been reading the memoirs of Adam Czartoryski (which are quite interesting), and so far he only mentioned Elizabeth a couple of times and usually he mentioned her with Alexander. I haven't come across anything where he mentioned her in an affectionate or sentimental way. :-\
Any comments?

Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Janet Ashton on June 04, 2010, 06:55:46 AM

Janet, thanks for your response. I don`t claim to know everything about elizaveta alexeevna who is one of my favorite Romanovs. I read quite a lot about her although there isn`t too much information on her. her diaries were burnt by nikolay I. her letters to her mother, landgravine of baden nee Hesse-Darmstadt, however have been preserved. there is also a marvelos book on her by grand duke nikolay mikhailovitch. a russian writer dmitriy merezhkovskiy wrote a series of essays on some historical figures , including elizaveta alexeevna.these essays were based on the materials in the archives.  
I formed my opinion on the basis of the afore-mentioned sources. i think she was stronger than her husband. this is the impression i get from the works that i have read.

I do agree that Alexander needed someone who would be flirtatious and look up to him. thats why i think that he was a very weak person, not being able to stand someone who was his intellectual equal and didn`t entertain him.  for me, this is an indication of alexander`s phobias and fears.

i do agree that he treated her as a sisiter. some of the court members confirm this fact e.g. countess varvara golovina.

Hi Violetta
  Thanks for your thoughts!
One thing I will say about Alexander's relationships with women which causes me to have a slightly different vew of him is that he liked his sister Catherine (to the point that people have hinted at incest) - and yet she was a very opinionated woman who often disagreed with him. So he seems to have tolerated not being looked up to when the woman had fire in her, whereas, to me at least, Elizabeth emerges from GD Nikolai M's book on her (which I think is an excellent work, unlikely to be bettered) as a lonely, melancholy woman, more ice than fire.....Alexander, in all, he treats his wife a sister and his sister as a wife! :-)

J
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on June 04, 2010, 05:05:06 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4046/4669703145_e05ee6817d_b.jpg)

Elizaveta Alexeievna by Ritt.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 09, 2010, 12:43:30 PM
Would like to see a better verssion of this
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/ElizavetaAlexeyevna.jpg)
With Alexander I (http://www.museum.ru/N35273)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on June 09, 2010, 02:00:21 PM
ref # 110

Dear Janet

It seems to me that we must have read the same books but we formed a different opiion on EA. ;) ;) ;) To me, her power, psychological power, lies in her weaknesses (or assumed weaknesses) . she was so silent, so withdrawn but she was more sensible than her husband. after the battle of austerlitz aleander was depressed,he was  afraid of people`s response to the defeat.EA knew how to turn defeat into victory. she arrived to st.petersburg so as to greet her husband as a victor and show her admiration for him. crowds cheered as the emperor appeared before them. EA knew how to be the true empress!!!the true companion
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Janet Ashton on June 10, 2010, 01:16:41 PM
ref # 110

Dear Janet

It seems to me that we must have read the same books but we formed a different opiion on EA. ;) ;) ;) To me, her power, psychological power, lies in her weaknesses (or assumed weaknesses) . she was so silent, so withdrawn but she was more sensible than her husband. after the battle of austerlitz aleander was depressed,he was  afraid of people`s response to the defeat.EA knew how to turn defeat into victory. she arrived to st.petersburg so as to greet her husband as a victor and show her admiration for him. crowds cheered as the emperor appeared before them. EA knew how to be the true empress!!!the true companion

Yes, I think we have different views - but it still very nice to have an informed discussion here about one of the earlier Romanovs! :-) - There is a lot on this forum about Nicholas II, as you'd expect, and other royalty, but somehow just pictures of earlier Romanovs....
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on June 10, 2010, 02:37:41 PM
i read her letters to her mother. in these letters i see a young woman who longs for love but instead she has to witness alexander`s infidelity.and she often repeats that probably she isn`t destined for happiness but for suffrings and tears. i see a woman whose real self , tenderness and ability to love haven`t been fully realized. her potential as a woman and empress was simply wasted.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on June 19, 2010, 11:13:37 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4715698727_a96706d55b_b.jpg)

Elizaveta as a grand duchess.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 22, 2010, 02:31:07 PM
Elizaveta and Alexander
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/ElizabethAlexandr.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 23, 2010, 03:27:48 PM
This carpet belonged her
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/Carpet.jpg)
I wonder what is written on it
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on June 25, 2010, 06:59:59 PM
its some rug she prayed on when Alexander died? i think
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on June 25, 2010, 07:54:10 PM
I think you may be right, Mandie.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on June 25, 2010, 08:15:18 PM
The rug clearly has in the foreground the date "1826 (year)," on it. (I can't quite get an enlargement of the remainder of the inscription at this moment)  However, it should be noted that the Emperor Alexander I died in the year 1825.  The Empress died in the earlier part of 1826.  Perhaps it is a memorial date to/for her?  Regards,  AP.     IMPORTANT:  LATER:   Ah..... NOW I see the original source from where the information on the rug came!  Someone looked in Wikipedia and the illustration is from there and has the complete inscription translated.  It further says as a comment: "Carpet on which Elizabeth Alexeievna stood to pray after the death of Alexander I of Russia.  From the  Alexander I Palace in Taganrog."  Note that this is AFTER the death of the Emperor  and is from the Alexander I Palace IN TAGANROG (where he died in 1825.   AP
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on June 25, 2010, 09:08:58 PM
Re my previous post # 121:  Time ran out for my comments to be finished, as I had just found the answer to a question one of the posters here  (Post # 118) had asked, and also I was able to now understand from the "Wikipedia" article, the complete inscription, which is : "Blessed Be the Place where You Prayed. 1826." It would be interesting to know if the inscription was ADDED in 1826, after the then-Empress Dowager had died.  As for the picture, it apparently has "made the rounds," in various reference books/articles, thus we cannot be certain who took that particular photo and when.  I emphasized the words "IN TAGANROG," since there IS a Alexander (I) "Palace" (simply a larger house) there, though it is natural for most posters to immediately associate the words "Alexander Palace " with Tsarskoye Selo.  Regards,  AP
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on June 25, 2010, 09:30:15 PM
Thank you for the information, Aleksandr Pavlovich.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on June 25, 2010, 09:37:48 PM
My pleasure!  AP.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 14, 2010, 02:17:00 PM
This represents the death of Alexander I, I wondered if the lady sitting down was his widow, Elizaveta
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/123.jpg)
Courtesy: history illustrated
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Rani on July 17, 2010, 06:47:08 PM
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/0452.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on July 18, 2010, 09:07:47 AM
What a lovely empress! The "most modest among the Russian consorts", as historians wrote about her.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 21, 2010, 07:17:56 PM
Fantastic Rani!!
Near to her husband's deathbed
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/AIRus.jpg)
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Post by: gem_10 on August 17, 2010, 12:29:01 AM
I am currently reading the memoirs of Countess Varvara Golovina, a maid-in-honor and confidante of the then Grand Duchess Elizabeth Alexeievna. It has lots of information about Elizabeth, her relationship with her husband's family and her life at court. It's an interesting read (for me) because there isn't much information about Elizabeth in English, and I'm very interested about her.  :) ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: ivanushka on August 17, 2010, 08:58:23 AM
That does sound interesting.  Poor Elizabeth was only about 14 when she married Alexander and though I think that the future Tsar Paul was initially very fond of her, I've always had the impression that she didn't get a very warm welcome from her future mother in law, Maria Feodorovna.  Does the book say anything about what her relationship with her sisters in law were like in those early years at the Russian court?
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on August 18, 2010, 09:55:25 AM
Elizabeth had a rather difficult relationship with her in-laws especially with her mother-in-law, who, according to Countess Golovina, was jealous and envious of Elizabeth's beauty, grace and her friendship with Catherine the Great. She had a hard time after Catherine's death because her in-laws' attitude towards her changed during the start of the reign of Paul I. She was always being reproached by Maria Feodorovna, and I don't think she had a warm and affectionate relationship with her sister-in-laws (although I recalled from the book that there were times when she played the piano or sung with Alexandra and Elena).  :)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 26, 2010, 02:27:52 PM
Finally I could find it bigger and the full verssion
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/LuisadeBaden.jpg)
Two more
From 1826
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/Baden.jpg)
From 1803
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/YoungTsaritsa.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 26, 2010, 02:30:35 PM
This must be an allegory of her death. From 1826
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/Eliza.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on August 26, 2010, 05:27:00 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4116/4930665302_3ee2767de4.jpg)

I don't think this one has been posted yet.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on August 28, 2010, 06:40:22 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4095/4936288032_64589524e9.jpg)

Elizaveta Alexeievna by Vigee-Lebrun.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: ivanushka on August 29, 2010, 04:55:55 PM
Elizabeth had a rather difficult relationship with her in-laws especially with her mother-in-law, who, according to Countess Golovina, was jealous and envious of Elizabeth's beauty, grace and her friendship with Catherine the Great. She had a hard time after Catherine's death because her in-laws' attitude towards her changed during the start of the reign of Paul I. She was always being reproached by Maria Feodorovna, and I don't think she had a warm and affectionate relationship with her sister-in-laws (although I recalled from the book that there were times when she played the piano or sung with Alexandra and Elena).  :)

Thanks.  That's very interesting.  My understanding has always been that Maria Feodorovna was not particularly beautiful which explains her jealousy.  I guess she was probably also jealous that Alexander had another woman in his life, bearing in mind that she and Paul were not allowed to raise him or Constantine.  As MF was, I believe, close to her daughters, I guess they would have followed their mother's lead in her treatment of Elizabeth.
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Post by: gem_10 on August 29, 2010, 10:05:28 PM
Countess Golovina also wrote about Elizabeth's relationship with Adam Czartoryski and Alexis Okhotnikov (although I haven't read the part about Okhotnikov). She wrote that Adam was certainly in love with Elizabeth and even tried to pursue her, but Elizabeth was indifferent to his affections. She understood that he was Alexander's best friend so she tried to be polite to him, and constantly had to put up with his company. The Countess also wrote that Elizabeth's first child, Maria, was not by Adam's. The rumours were certainly there to blacken her reputation.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 30, 2010, 03:10:50 PM
I like very much the second that you posted Dru XD
Any idea of what is representing this...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/elzbeta.jpg)
Elizaveta
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/eliz_aleks11.gif)
Some allegory
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/busteliz.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on September 01, 2010, 06:44:35 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4135/4949959454_1d759f5835.jpg)

I found this labeled as Elizaveta Alexeievna by Borovikovsky, but I'm not sure if it really is her.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on September 01, 2010, 09:35:36 PM
I always think that this is Anna Feodorovna. I'm not sure.  :-\
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Svetabel on September 01, 2010, 11:46:33 PM
I always think that this is Anna Feodorovna. I'm not sure.  :-\

That's Anna Fedorovna.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on September 02, 2010, 04:37:50 PM
Thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 04, 2010, 06:51:41 PM
I saw the same portrait millios of times before labeled as Elizaveta and even believed it, thank you very much for the info. It's impossible to believe 100% at captions at sites
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Rani on September 30, 2010, 01:48:46 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/elisabethalexanderI.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on October 19, 2010, 04:54:23 PM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/120.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on October 19, 2010, 05:15:36 PM
October 1792
Louise of Baden and her younger sister Frederika (the future queen of Sweden) arrive at ST Petesburg. Because of cold Russian climate both girls fell ill: the older one suffers from cough,the younger one has runny nose.

02.11.1792

The Baden girls are introduced to Alexander and Konstantin. Witnesses see that having seeing Alexander Luoise started to tremble and went pale.

04.11.1792, an entry in catherine`s diary

Tsesarevich took to the older princess but he is very shy so he doesn`t appproach her. She is ...brave.


01.12.1792 catherine-to count rumyantsev

We are very satisfied with our baden princesses. It seems to me that the older one will win . Mr Alexander took to her. ..They stat to get used to each other.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on October 19, 2010, 05:20:16 PM
17.11. 1792, maria feodorovna to catherine

Mr Alexander informs us that day by day he likes  beautiful Eliza more and more. She is so modest, she is so charming. Only a stone can`t like her. These are my son`s genuine feelings... He does appreciate your gift...
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: violetta on October 19, 2010, 05:50:43 PM
catherine II writes: " Mr Alexander is gradually falling in love with the elder Baden girl. I think she reciprocates his feelings. Never have I seen a more matched couple. They are as beautiful as the day...everybody encourages the feeling that is being gradually born.

12/23.11.1792
Eliza informs her mother about marriage proposal of GD Alexander PAvlovich

petersbug, 28.12/08.01.1793, elizaveta to her mother

Alexander told me he was looking forward to Easter because then he ill be able to shake my hand  openly.Now he sometimes shakes my hand under the table.


26.04/07.05.1793, easter.  

I kissed hi twice. It is so weird to kiss a man who is not oyur father or uncle.


when i read these lines i`m somewhat shocked because it was a union of two kids. and grown-ups had some fun watching them like animals in a zoo.two young victims of political ambitions plunged into a union at the very beginning of their lives unable to get to know each other and unable to get any experience 
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: CountessKate on December 19, 2010, 10:49:30 AM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/cfarnon/Russian%20Court/Eliz-27-1799.jpg)

Elizaveta Alekseevna in 1799, miniature by Franz Gerhard von Kuegelgen
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Svetabel on December 27, 2010, 02:18:59 AM
The Empress
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/elal1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on December 27, 2010, 03:02:51 AM
It's a wonderful portrait! Who is the artist and when was it painted?
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Svetabel on December 27, 2010, 07:13:02 AM
It's a wonderful portrait! Who is the artist and when was it painted?

Sorry, but I know only that the portrait is located in Karlsruhe.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on March 14, 2011, 12:03:52 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5300/5526198575_59d84b3f19_z.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5300/5526198907_286c97849f.jpg)

Elizaveta Alexeievna
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 20, 2011, 12:59:17 PM
Double portrait, two Empresses
Left Elizaveta Alexeevna and right Marie Feodorovna
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/twoempresses.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on June 20, 2011, 09:40:56 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/5854872695_45e505f83a_b.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2459/5854871235_7a01333870_b.jpg)

Alexander and Elizaveta.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on July 24, 2011, 10:03:05 PM
Another portrait of the beautiful Empress, by Dmitry Evreinov, 1800

(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff145/tokyogensou/1800Evreynov.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Russian Art Lover on August 07, 2011, 07:28:35 AM
Elizabeth had a rather difficult relationship with her in-laws especially with her mother-in-law, who, according to Countess Golovina, was jealous and envious of Elizabeth's beauty, grace and her friendship with Catherine the Great. She had a hard time after Catherine's death because her in-laws' attitude towards her changed during the start of the reign of Paul I. She was always being reproached by Maria Feodorovna, and I don't think she had a warm and affectionate relationship with her sister-in-laws (although I recalled from the book that there were times when she played the piano or sung with Alexandra and Elena).  :)

Thanks.  That's very interesting.  My understanding has always been that Maria Feodorovna was not particularly beautiful which explains her jealousy.  I guess she was probably also jealous that Alexander had another woman in his life, bearing in mind that she and Paul were not allowed to raise him or Constantine.  As MF was, I believe, close to her daughters, I guess they would have followed their mother's lead in her treatment of Elizabeth.

I do agree with all of that. Also, Elizabeth was a niece of the first wife of Paul I!

Does anyone know the reasons for the rapprochement between Alexander I and Elizabeth? As I understand it, Alexander went to Taganrog especially to accompany Elizabeth, whose health had broken. He died on 12 December 1825, while Elizabeth was too weak to return to St Petersburg for the funeral, and died on the journey home on 4 May 1826.

A very strange story that I think could make a haunting film, if played by the right actors (I am thinking maybe Gillian Anderson in a repeat of her great performance as Lady Dedlock in the BBC production of "Bleak House"). They were certainly a very handsome and enigmatic couple. After meeting Alexander I, Napoleon wrote home to his wife Josephine: "Were he a woman, I would probably fall in love with him."






Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 02, 2012, 12:41:48 PM
Finally I could find it bigger and the full verssion (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/LuisadeBaden.jpg)
A bit different verssion of this, the pose of the widow Empress is different; she's now standing
Source: rulex.ru
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/lixa.jpg)
Framed portrait (1800)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/elizavetaimperatritsa.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on January 08, 2012, 08:10:52 AM
This is a part of a self-portrait of Elisabeth Vigee-Lebrun. At a closer look, we can notice that she is actually doing a sketch of a portrait of the Empress Elizabeth.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/lunarmaiden10/jsjf738.jpg)


And this is the whole portrait.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/lunarmaiden10/njftrjr.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 09, 2012, 11:59:37 AM
What eye gem_10!!! She's making a painting of the Empress on that portrait!
A beautiful painting of the Empress
Click here!! (http://www.artvalue.com/auctionresult--bosse-ernst-gotthilf-1785-1862-portrait-of-empress-elizabeth-996714.htm)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on February 28, 2012, 07:31:43 AM
Portrait of Elisabeth by P. Zharkov

(http://media.kunst-fuer-alle.de/img/41/g/41_00336984.jpg)

 
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on September 27, 2012, 06:09:13 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8310/8031174238_96eb386b00_b.jpg)

Found as Elizaveta Alexeievna in profile.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on September 29, 2012, 03:45:21 AM
(http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/r/o/rostislava/s640x480.jpeg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: CountessKate on September 29, 2012, 04:18:43 PM
Is that by Jean-Baptiste Isabey?
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on September 30, 2012, 10:25:41 PM
Yes, it is by Isabey. 1814.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Chris_H on December 24, 2012, 08:19:13 AM
Great pictures of the Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna! 
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Chris_H on December 24, 2012, 08:23:56 AM
I especially like the portraits by Lebrun and Monier :)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 21, 2013, 01:15:27 PM
Found this image at the Royal Collection as Elizaveta Alexeievna when Grand Duchess

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/IsabelAlexeyevna_zps4281f6da.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/DarlingSissi/IsabelAlexeyevna_zps4281f6da.jpg.html)

Here bigger! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/IsabelAlexeyevna_zps4281f6da.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on June 22, 2013, 07:38:30 PM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3684/9112828702_c323425f0b_o.jpg)

Elizaveta Alexeievna with a bust of her husband, Alexander Pavlovich.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on June 23, 2013, 02:01:16 AM
The portrait above was from the collection of Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich. Apparently, Sergei admired the Empress Elizabeth so he liked collecting portraits and mementos of the Empress.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on June 23, 2013, 05:31:25 PM
The portrait above was from the collection of Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich. Apparently, Sergei admired the Empress Elizabeth so he liked collecting portraits and mementos of the Empress.

Very interesting, Gem; I did not know that Sergei was so interested in this empress.  I just happened to find the portrait while googling, but I couldn't find any information on it.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Svetabel on June 24, 2013, 12:10:54 AM
The portrait above was from the collection of Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich. Apparently, Sergei admired the Empress Elizabeth so he liked collecting portraits and mementos of the Empress.

He also wanted to write a book on the Empress that's why he collected mementos of her.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: cointrelles on June 24, 2013, 11:26:24 AM
Quote
Does anyone know the reasons for the rapprochement between Alexander I and Elizabeth?

While I have never read anything addressing the subject directly, I believe it was connected to his increased sense of spirituality. Since his last years were so famously characterized by an obsession with God and Christianity I assume that motivated him to leave Maria Naryshkina to return to Elizabeth. That is just speculation though.



Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on December 19, 2013, 08:34:07 PM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3778/11458624716_86e884aef2_o.jpg)

Apotheosis of Elizaveta Alexeievna by Oleszkiewicz
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on March 14, 2014, 04:54:06 PM
Found this image at the Royal Collection as Elizaveta Alexeievna when Grand Duchess


Here it is in color, also from the Royal Collection.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2160/13155230584_bc967f6df4_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on March 16, 2014, 09:48:03 AM
Oh I've been hoping to see that in color! Thank you for sharing it Dru! :-)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on May 22, 2014, 07:41:22 PM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5585/14245825392_12f8cd9a88_o.jpg)

Elizaveta Alexeievna with her first daugher, Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna, who was speculated to be the daughter of Elizaveta's lover, Adam Czartoryski, rather than of her husband, Alexander I--at little Maria's baptism, Emperor Pavel wondered aloud how two blond parents could possibly have a dark-haired child.

This is the first time I have ever seen a picture of either of Alexander and Elizaveta's daughters, who both died in early childhood, and I was very happy to find it!
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 23, 2014, 12:53:33 PM

Elizaveta Alexeievna with her first daugher, Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna, who was speculated to be the daughter of Elizaveta's lover, Adam Czartoryski, rather than of her husband, Alexander I--at little Maria's baptism, Emperor Pavel wondered aloud how two blond parents could possibly have a dark-haired child.

This is the first time I have ever seen a picture of either of Alexander and Elizaveta's daughters, who both died in early childhood, and I was very happy to find it!

What an incredible finding Dru!!! Considering how short lived were the two little Grand Duchesses (not surpassing even two years) we are really lucky of having a portrait of -at least- one of them! I wonder if there is (at least) one portrait of the other Grand Duchess, Elizaveta Alexandrovna. After all she lived a little bit longer than her older sister, Maria.


Here it is in color, also from the Royal Collection.

And thank you for posting this, love its soft colors!! At looking at it... I always thought that Elizaveta had blue eyes but on this portrait they look hazel.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on June 24, 2014, 06:19:53 AM
Considering how short lived were the two little Grand Duchesses (not surpassing even two years) we are really lucky of having a portrait of -at least- one of them! I wonder if there is (at least) one portrait of the other Grand Duchess, Elizaveta Alexandrovna. After all she lived a little bit longer than her older sister, Maria.

There is posthumous portrait of the Grand Duchess Elizaveta Alexandrovna painted by Schröder,but unfortunately,very small picture could be found online:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/EA_zpsbc9673a3.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/EA_zpsbc9673a3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on June 24, 2014, 02:39:11 PM
 :( :(
Considering how short lived were the two little Grand Duchesses (not surpassing even two years) we are really lucky of having a portrait of -at least- one of them! I wonder if there is (at least) one portrait of the other Grand Duchess, Elizaveta Alexandrovna. After all she lived a little bit longer than her older sister, Maria.

There is posthumous portrait of the Grand Duchess Elizaveta Alexandrovna painted by Schröder,but unfortunately,very small picture could be found online:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/EA_zpsbc9673a3.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/EA_zpsbc9673a3.jpg.html)

How beautiful, Marc!  Thank you so much for sharing!  I didn't know "Lisinka" had blonde hair; for some reason, I always assumed she was dark-haired like her sister.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on June 25, 2014, 01:43:59 PM
Ludwig Guttenbrunn. Portrait of Grand Duchess Elizabeth Alexeyevna. Between 1796 and 1797.

(http://cs616226.vk.me/v616226638/a8ed/VlmVJHveGng.jpg)

Grand Duchess Elizabeth Alexeyevna. Thumbnail of Emmanuel Chevalier de la Selle de Shatobur. 1799-1800.

(http://cs619629.vk.me/v619629638/7410/h18HWlSEHd0.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 27, 2014, 03:06:53 PM
There is posthumous portrait of the Grand Duchess Elizaveta Alexandrovna painted by Schröder,but unfortunately,very small picture could be found online:

Thank you very much Marc, despite the size, it is a great surprise for me!!! :-) Do you know if is it the full image or was it cropped from a larger one?
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on June 30, 2014, 07:56:45 PM
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2907/14360421018_52378c08d2_o.jpg)

Elizaveta Alexeievna and her husband, Alexander I.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on July 01, 2014, 06:45:58 AM
I really enjoy looking at the portraits of Elizabeth Alexeievna! Every time I see a new one, I get very excited.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on July 02, 2014, 12:20:54 PM
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2900/14372802079_8b872653d7_o.jpg)

Elizaveta Alexeievna.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on July 09, 2014, 05:24:49 AM
There is posthumous portrait of the Grand Duchess Elizaveta Alexandrovna painted by Schröder,but unfortunately,very small picture could be found online:

Thank you very much Marc, despite the size, it is a great surprise for me!!! :-) Do you know if is it the full image or was it cropped from a larger one?

It is a full version.There is also another portrait of Lisinka holding her doll which still exists in Hessische Hausstiftung :-)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on July 13, 2014, 02:42:28 PM
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2900/14459665370_2aa34bbc49_o.jpg)

Here is a lovely miniature of Elizaveta Alexandrovna.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 14, 2014, 02:10:07 PM
It is a full version.There is also another portrait of Lisinka holding her doll which still exists in Hessische Hausstiftung :-)

Thank you for the information Marc!!! So there are at least three portraits of the little Lisinka, the one she's depicted as an angel, the one of she holding her doll, and the one posted by Dru! (thank you very much for posting it, it's so beautiful!). I didn't think there were much portraits of her, thank you both of you!!! XD
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on July 25, 2014, 11:44:03 AM
Wonderful portrait :)

I am currently in Germany and have visited Darmstadt Castle today and can tell you that the other portrait of Elizaveta I was talking about is hanging in the Castle,in the room of Wilhelmine von Baden,sister of the Russian Empress Elisabeth Alexeevna...Unfortunately,it is forbidden to take photos inside the castle,but I stumbled upon it in a very unusual place-"baustelle" and took picture of it knowing that someone from here wanted to see it :)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/IMG_8525_zps9aa8af8e.jpg) (http://s23.photobucket.com/user/auersperg22/media/IMG_8525_zps9aa8af8e.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 25, 2014, 02:41:19 PM
I am currently in Germany and have visited Darmstadt Castle today and can tell you that the other portrait of Elizaveta I was talking about is hanging in the Castle,in the room of Wilhelmine von Baden,sister of the Russian Empress Elisabeth Alexeevna...Unfortunately,it is forbidden to take photos inside the castle,but I stumbled upon it in a very unusual place-"baustelle" and took picture of it knowing that someone from here wanted to see it :)

Oh my!!! I enter here and find a very unexpected surprise!!!  ::) ::) Thank you very, very, very much for taking a photo of this beautiful portrait of little Lisinka (happily they put a copy of it in a place where you could take a photo!!). I expect you've passed a great time at Darmstadt!! :-)

And again, thank you!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Marc on July 27, 2014, 03:41:52 PM
I knew you wanted to see it and fortunately had the opportunity(some kind though) to take it...The castle tour is wonderful and I was the only one in it :P so an hour touring the castle just for me was just :)

Just in case you ever visit the castle the portrait is hanging in the room of her aunt,Wilhelmine ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Ally Kumari on August 24, 2014, 06:45:03 AM
Unseen one for me. She looks very gentle and fragile in this portrait.

(http://cs617420.vk.me/v617420884/1a228/e_6JhsOvbvU.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Ally Kumari on August 24, 2014, 06:45:40 AM
And one more, in colour

(http://cs618316.vk.me/v618316884/13ad0/IIJgkYEXeG8.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on August 27, 2014, 09:30:21 AM
Another portrait of Elizabeth Alexeievna when she was still grand duchess. From the Pavlovsk Palace. Click to enlarge!

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3840/15053248042_15de4d4034_s.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oWcQcm)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: gem_10 on September 02, 2014, 08:36:01 AM
Found this as Elizabeth Alexeievna from Celia Rose Antiques.

(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff145/tokyogensou/ImageCRA113_2.jpeg) (http://s241.photobucket.com/user/tokyogensou/media/ImageCRA113_2.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 06, 2014, 03:28:39 AM
(http://cs622822.vk.me/v622822079/d923/cNM-5nfvyLk.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 12, 2014, 01:49:33 PM
Interesting "wings"

(http://cs540102.vk.me/c621426/v621426516/30ae/x41KW93j1yE.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on December 26, 2014, 05:58:59 PM
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8681/16112903821_835415a31e_o.jpg)

Elizaveta Alexeievna, from vk.com.
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 01, 2015, 02:13:35 AM
This one was labeled as Elizaveta Alexeievna. I´ve never seen it before and so many portraits look quite different from each other, that I am not even sure...

(http://aminpro.ru/dopoln/kartinki/kreml/0012_g_aleks_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: CountessKate on February 01, 2015, 11:05:42 AM
It is a portrait of Queen Louise of Prussia by Josef Grassi, versions of which can be seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_of_Mecklenburg-Strelitz and here: http://arrayedingold.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/napoleons-beautiful-enemy-louise-of.html
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 24, 2015, 02:35:41 PM
Thank you Kate!

...

I wanted to ask, if there is any biography on the Empress in English? Also, I undertand that Grand Duke Nikolai Mikhailovich wrote her biography, but has anyone here ever read it?
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Dru on April 24, 2015, 08:00:09 PM
Thank you Kate!

...

I wanted to ask, if there is any biography on the Empress in English? Also, I undertand that Grand Duke Nikolai Mikhailovich wrote her biography, but has anyone here ever read it?

I have only seen a copy of Nikolai Mikhailovich's biography of Elizaveta Alexeievna once, and that was on a site for rare books.  Unfortunately, Nicholas I had his sister-in-law's diaries destroyed when she died, so Nikolai Mikhailovich did not have them to use as a primary source, but he did have the letters she wrote to her mother, in which she was very candid.

I don't think there are any biographies of her in English, but there is information about her in Alexander I by Henri Troyat--I think this is where I learned about the Nikolai Mikhailovich book.  Apparently, Nikolai wanted to include a chapter about Elizaveta Alexeievna's extramarital affairs (particularly her relationship with Alexei Okhotnikov), but Nicholas II would not allow him to do so. 
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Ally Kumari on July 06, 2015, 07:08:41 AM
(http://cs618020.vk.me/v618020763/1caf8/0F8k6Ntt4ZA.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 06, 2016, 01:46:49 PM
Coronation robes of Empress Elizaveta Alexeevna 1801, found at fripperiesandfobs.tumblr

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErzsiMarie/coronationea2_zpsf6sxkad2.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/ErzsiMarie/coronationea2_zpsf6sxkad2.jpg.html)(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErzsiMarie/coronationea_zpsbelusbs9.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/ErzsiMarie/coronationea_zpsbelusbs9.jpg.html)
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Post by: Ally Kumari on January 09, 2016, 07:27:30 AM
I have stumbled upon this image and wondered if anyone had any kind of information about it? It looks very informal, is there a story behind it?

(https://pp.vk.me/c624129/v624129638/22a5a/NQGvEEzlvcE.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: CountessKate on January 09, 2016, 12:24:48 PM
It looks like a take on the classical story of Butades' daughter Kora/Callirhoe (or just The Maid of Corinth) who was said (by Pliny the Elder) to have invented painting by tracing the shadow of her beloved on a wall (from which her father then invented the modelling of clay portraits).  Apparently this myth had a revival of popularity during the eighteenth century.  Rousseau, in his 'Essai sur l'origine des langues' commented that "Love, it is said, was the inventor of drawing" so perhaps this is a comment on how madly in love the young grand ducal couple were meant to be. The poet William Hayley in 'An Essay on painting' suggested (in verse) that the Maid of Corinth was moved to make the painting because of her lover's impending departure and her need to keep a reminder of his face with her and there is some hint of this in that a soldier appears to be leading away the grand duke's horse - possibly a sign of his impending departure on some military duty - while a statue of cupid (love again, of course) is possibly throwing his shadow on the wall via the torches he is holding. 
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Post by: Ally Kumari on January 10, 2016, 03:50:43 AM
That is extremely romantic and I believe explains the image perfectly! Thank you, I defintiely learned something new today!
Title: Re: Empress Elizaveta Alekseevna, wife of Alexander I
Post by: Joanna on February 02, 2018, 11:26:44 AM
Aerial views of Karlsruhe Palace and Schloss Bruchsal - Empress Elizabeth Alexeievna, the wife of Alexander I, visits her mother Amalie at Schloss Bruchsal in Baden-Württemberg, Germany

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2018/01/a-little-known-palace-schloss-bruchsal.html

Joanna
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Post by: Joanna on June 29, 2018, 10:01:26 AM
The mother of Empress Elizabeth and her Schloss Rohrbach:

http://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.com/2018/06/emperors-of-austria-and-russia-at.html

Joanna