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Title: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Frederika on March 17, 2005, 11:18:46 AM
did queen sofia ever expect to be queen of spain?
Juan carlos was not created crown prince untill 1969
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Marlene on March 17, 2005, 11:49:53 AM
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did queen sofia ever expect to be queen of spain?
Juan carlos was not created crown prince untill 1969



Juan Carlos was not created Crown Prince.  He was created Prince of Spain, but was largely acknowledged to be Franco's heir due to an agreement between Juan Carlos' father and Franco.  There are several good bios in English that discuss all this.  One is by a Briton, Paul Preston, and was published a few years ago.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on March 17, 2005, 12:21:22 PM
Actually don Juan's agreement with Franco did not accord that the restoration would be done in the person of Juan Carlos.  Up until the day that Franco named Juan Carlos as his successor with the title of King.

When news of Franco's  choice was received at Villa Giralda, don Juan's home in Estoril, Portugal, it was like thunder for him and his political cabinet.  Furthermore it led to years of very tense relations between Juan and Juan Carlos.

Queen Victoria Eugenie when meeting Franco in 1968 for the baptism of Felipe urged him to choose a successor, either Juan or Juan Carlos, but above all she wanted the monarchy restored.  The choice was announced after the Queen's death.

Doña María de las Mercedes, Juan Carlos' mother, played an important role in getting don Juan and Juan Carlos to bridge their differences - she went into detail about this in her memoirs.  This led to don Juan's renunciation in 1977, thus restoring the dynastic old line by making Juan Carlos the "official" Head of House, as well as King.

I think don Juan, as Juan III, would have made a fantastic King.  Juan Carlos himself has been extremely good and it will be heard for Felipe to follow in his father's footsteps.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on March 18, 2005, 05:01:05 AM
I´m sure they had some idea that one day the moment would arrive when they would be called upon to become King and Queen of Spain.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Grand Duke on March 18, 2005, 06:20:48 AM
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I think don Juan, as Juan III, would have made a fantastic King.


Of course any king would be better than Franco or other fascist dictator - and that is a fact!
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on March 18, 2005, 06:33:33 AM
re. any King would be better than a fascist dictator. This of course is very true - Juan Carlos I has done an incredible job supporting democracy in Spain - in 1982 when he stood up to the colonels and apparently in 2004 after the Madrid train bombings when the Aznar government wanted to send troops on to the streets and postpone the elections to be held in two days - the King refused to sanction these measures. However, it is interesting to note that Juan Carlos was said to have been very fond of Franco, that personally his politics were similar to the generalisimos and that insults to Francos memory quite upset the King.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: jfkhaos on March 18, 2005, 11:37:50 AM
What are Queen Sofia's feelings about Greece?  I understand she has been back on trips as guest of state, but does she hold her parents' and brother's treatment against the Greeks after all these years?  Does she visit the scenes of her childhood, i.e. Tatoi, Psychiko, etc?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Iskenderbey on March 18, 2005, 02:27:09 PM
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What are Queen Sofia's feelings about Greece?  I understand she has been back on trips as guest of state, but does she hold her parents' and brother's treatment against the Greeks after all these years?  Does she visit the scenes of her childhood, i.e. Tatoi, Psychiko, etc?


I think the Queen remains very fond of her native country.  She was in Athens yesterday actually, as she was pictured in Monastiraki square.  She obviously has very fond memories of her homeland.
In her bio she mentioned the she felt 100% Spanish and 100% Greek at the same time, and that she was a child of the Aegean Sea.

She is probably as miffed at the Greek Government as her brother is.  I remember when her and JC went to Greece on an official visit a few years ago, there were people quoting the Queen as having asked then Prime Minister Simitis to hurry up and take care of the royal property issue.  (But can't vouch for that).

By the way, many said that Simitis would find a good resolution to the royal property issue, as he was a godson of Prince George of Greece, and thus godbrother of Queen Sofia.

Regards
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Iskenderbey on March 18, 2005, 02:28:14 PM
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By the way, many said that Simitis would find a good resolution to the royal property issue, as he was a godson of Prince George of Greece, and thus godbrother of Queen Sofia.

Regards


I forgot to add, that one can't assume that a royal connetion would have led a Socialist like Simitis to mend his ways.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Frederika on March 19, 2005, 07:05:25 AM
I hered that when Konstantinos Karamarlis went to spain for a state visit he got a very frosty Reception by the queen she was very angry like her brother for his betrayle to the family so at a banquit she wore her biggist and most impressive tiara and the highst greek decloration she had it had to be said that Karamarlis owed his political carrera to the monachy.  ;D
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Iskenderbey on March 21, 2005, 12:28:22 PM
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I hered that when Konstantinos Karamarlis when to spain for a state visit he got a very frost Reception by the queen she was very angre like her brother for his betrayle to the family so at a banquit she wore her biggist and most impressive tiara and the highst greek decloration she had it had to be said that Karamarlis owed his political carrea to the monachy.  ;D


He did.  Karamanlis was called from obscurity, where he was a Minister of Public Works in the Papagos government of 1952-55, by King Pavlos, and was given the mandate to form a government and hold new elections if need be.  He was not in line to succeed Papagos as party head, and many of the party were miffed at King Pavlos for side stepping them and giving the premiership to Karamanlis.  But this was 1955, only 6 years after the end of the Communist Guerrilla war (I prefer to call it that, than a civil war), and Greece need a stable government and a stable premier.  Karamanlis presented such a new political face, who could bring stability and free of all old party entanglements.  
He became so arrogant, that he left the country in "self-exile" than to face the possibility of election defeat, 8 years later, in 1963.  
The rest is history.......
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Iskenderbey on March 22, 2005, 12:06:18 PM
Just a follow up to my post the other day that the Queen was in Athens, apparently Marina Karella, Prince Michael of Greece's wife, was debuting her paintings at the Benaki Museum, and the Queen, along with her brother King Constantine and Queen Anne-Marie, Princess Irene, and Prince Michael, were on hand to support her work.

Regards
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: jfkhaos on March 22, 2005, 12:21:32 PM
Iskenderbey, any idea if there is a photo of this gathering?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Iskenderbey on March 29, 2005, 02:19:45 PM
Hello Everyone,

Here are the pics from Queen Sofia recent visit to Greece, to attend Marina Karella's (Princess Marina) art exhibition, also attended by King Constantine, Queen Anne-Marie, Princess Irene, and Prince Michael.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/SSKENDER/S-AM.bmp)  Queen Sofia greeting her sister-in-law, Queen Anne-Marie

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/SSKENDER/I-T-AM-S-M.bmp)  Princess Irene greeting her brother, King Constantine, & Queen Sofia greeting Prince Michael

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/SSKENDER/I-S-AM-T.bmp) Princess Irene, Queen Sofia, Queen Anne-Marie, King Constantine

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/SSKENDER/S-T-AM.bmp)  Queen Sofia greeting her brother, King Constantine
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Dina on April 08, 2005, 02:20:06 PM
Did Queen Sophia ever convert to Catholicism?  I remember reading somewhere that there were both Greek Orthodox and Catholic ceremonies when she married Juan Carlos.  If she did convert, when was it?

I apologize if this has already been covered in another thread.

Thanks!
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Iskenderbey on April 08, 2005, 03:35:40 PM
Queen Sophia became Catholic after her marriage, during her honeymoon, and on a yacht off of Greek territory, so as not to offend the Greek Orthodox.
She considers it to have simply been a recognition of the Pope, not a conversion, as the only thing she had to learn was the Latin ritual/liturgy, since the basic Greek Orthodox/Roman Catholic tents are the same (with some differences) and her Greek Orthodox baptism is recognized by the Roman Catholic church.
They had two seperate marriage ceremonies to satisfy both the Catholics and the Orthodox.

I watched the Papal funeral today (even though I'm Orthodox, the pope remains one of our Patriarchs, and I believe in the need for greater Christian unity, and evenmoreso because of his international religious work and work towards Christian unity), and I wondered to myself what Sophia was thinking when she was listening to the Orthodox "Christ is Risen", the Easter chant, as her Greek-Catholic counterparts sang it after the Litany of the Saints.  
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Dina on April 08, 2005, 07:04:16 PM
Thank you very much Iskenderbey!

Seeing her at the Pope's funeral this morning is what made me think of the question.  I also was wondering what she thought about the Orthodox priests participation.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 08, 2005, 07:07:46 PM
If you mean the Eastern Rite bishops chanting- they are Catholics, just not Roman. There were several Orthodox  representatives however.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Frederika on April 09, 2005, 05:02:13 AM
I thoght queen sofia converted straight after the othodox wedding at the cathlic one at st Denis.

queen Ena i think converted from the protistant faith to the cathlic at her wedding sofias mother did not convert untill 1946 8 years after her marrige but she later renounced both faiths.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Madal on April 10, 2005, 02:06:48 PM
Ena converted from the protistant faith to the cathlic before her wedding. She converted in San Sebastian on  march 7,  1906 and she got married on may (1906)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Iskenderbey on April 11, 2005, 11:57:20 AM
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I thoght queen sofia converted straight after the othodox wedding at the cathlic one at st Denis.

queen Ena i think converted from the protistant faith to the cathlic at her wedding sofias mother did not convert untill 1946 8 years after her marrige but she later renounced both faiths.


No, at the time of her marriage, Sofia was still Greek Orthodox.  The Catholic ceremony was first, then the Orthodox ceremony.
Her entrance to the Roman Catholic church, occurred after the wedding, on their honeymood, off the shores of the Greek mainland.
Regards
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on April 27, 2005, 09:36:36 AM
The issue of religious conversion by Sophia caused quite a bit of a stir in Greece...how things have changed!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Iskenderbey on April 28, 2005, 04:50:46 PM
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The issue of religious conversion by Sophia caused quite a bit of a stir in Greece...how things have changed!

Arturo Beéche


It is quite amusing, how the Orthodox clerics were so irked by Sophia marrying a Catholic, yet the populace was in love with her Juanito.

Regards Arturo.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: CatherineNY on June 02, 2005, 05:52:42 PM
I was interested in Fredericka's comment that Queen Fredericka converted to the Greek Orthodox faith, then renounced it. Did she do this when she was studying in India? I believe that Princess Irene accompanied her mother to India. Did she go willingly, or did the Queen more or less make her go? Did Irene, too, renounce Orthodoxy?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Frederika on June 05, 2005, 04:14:51 AM
i dont no if Irene was forced to go with her mother or not. I think it was quite sad for Irene as like other princesses she ended up as her mothers companion always going with her on travles to India.
Although fredereika died quite young by that time Irene was old to have children and get married so i think she just carried on her mothers work. i think the two were close irene is very clever and an acumplished pianist so she has devoted her life to thoughs causes she did not go as far as her mother who renounced everything to do with royalty.

i no someone who has met Irene he told me she was really nice and very intresting to talk to so  she seems happy with her lot but you never no.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Iskenderbey on June 06, 2005, 11:42:43 AM
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I was interested in Fredericka's comment that Queen Fredericka converted to the Greek Orthodox faith, then renounced it. Did she do this when she was studying in India? I believe that Princess Irene accompanied her mother to India. Did she go willingly, or did the Queen more or less make her go? Did Irene, too, renounce Orthodoxy?


I disagree thorougly with the idea that Queen Frederika renounced Queen Orthodoxy.
I do not believe it, and I think the whole Indian guru issue has been overstated and mis-interpreted.
From what I understand, Queen Frederika was ever looking for more spirituality, but that doesn't mean she renounced her Greek Orthodox Faith.
Regards
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on October 07, 2005, 07:36:08 PM
Renowned Spanish royalty author Ricardo Mateos Sáinz de Medrano will be giving a lecture on Queen doña Sofía and her family -based on his book La Familia de la reina doña Sofía, which was published last year.

Ricardo's lecture is taking place on Sunday, October 16 at the VIIIth Annual Eurohistory Roaylty Conference, to be hedl in the San Francisco Bay Area, beginning early Saturday, October 15.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Frederika on November 13, 2005, 05:18:08 AM
i just remebered on the 2nd it was 30 years since the death of Franco and the resiration of the Monachey
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: isabel on November 13, 2005, 03:24:48 PM
I was eleven years old when Franco died, i remember very well that i was watching "The little house in the prairie", with my little sister, when suddenly the TV announced his death.

I remember that all my family was happy but a little anxious about the destiny of our country.

Happyly our new king succeeded to conduced us to the democracy without violence.

It´s incredible how Spain has changed since i was a little girl ¡
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on November 15, 2005, 09:45:10 AM
But sadly, as with the 25th anniversary, King Juan Carlos is not planning any major event to celebrate his 30th anniversary on the throne.  Hopefully at least some medals or coins will be minted, somethign at least!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: crotalo on November 16, 2005, 04:48:27 AM
Queen Sophia is a cold , frozen person "iron eyes". She is respected by everybody in Spain but she has also detractors. What happens is that in Spain there is a kind of censure when talking about the royal family and it is forbiden in medias to criticise them. But everybody konws "things". Nobody ignores she takes all the decissions of the royal house. That she intrigued a lot to get the crown against her father in law. Coming fom aa operetta fake court, she did the impossible to pass over everybody.It is Forbiden to talk about the king infidelities, but everybody knows his affairs with actresses and singers:B. R  and P S B. even with another ex-queen!! when younger, Sophia flied to Greece with their children twice and was called to order
by the government. (nobody remembers).
     Her behaviour to other members of the royal family is to blame. Luis Alfonso , the Duke of Anjou, is a nice, humble man. He was not invited to any royal marriage. No member of the royal house at his own wedding. the bastard son of Alphonse XIII, recognised as Bourbon by law and his family doesn't exist to her. She was extremely intolerant with the girlfriends ofpoor Philippe.
Being a woman lack of charms, she adores stones. That's why she envy terribly the baronesa T.and this, who is a great woman, always goes to receptions where
the queen is wearing an irreal stone big like an egg.

      I suppose this is insupportable to see the ministers
flattering Titta. To receive her, she wears in black or grey, trying to appear simply majestatic. The mediocre tiara of Hannover, wich her grand mother wore while dinning with nazi generals is eclipsed by these Tita stones.

Her great culture. that is incredible. Nobody knows this woman, who speaks seven languages? and has difficulty to express herself in spanish. They speak english at home. when she visit museums or go to the Opera, she smile, any comment, that's all. If she smile, she is cultivated. Actually, she might be bored, absent, interested. Who knows? the stupidity is incredible when people want to beleive what is prepared to make believe.

            Sophie is a lie. It is a great lie, as other great lies of this world (the tolerance of the republique francaise with inmigrants) Idolos de barro.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2005, 09:56:50 AM
She might not be perfect but Sofia cannot be blamed to for the treatment of Luis Alfonso. Juan Carlos's father Don Juan had issues with his brother Don Jamie, and did not get along with Alfonso, Jamie's son. It was his insistance that Alfonso's title of Duke of Cadiz to made lifetime only, thus prevented Alfonso's son Luis Alfonso from inheiting the title. (this information came from Ricardo Mateos who knew Spanish Royal history well)Queen Sofia was just toeing the offical family line.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on November 16, 2005, 10:58:13 PM
A morganatic descendant of King Alfonso XIII shoud consider himself lucky he even manage dot get the title of Duke of Cadiz, last used by Queen Isabel II's husband.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on November 16, 2005, 10:59:43 PM
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She might not be perfect but Sofia cannot be blamed to for the treatment of Luis Alfonso. Juan Carlos's father Don Juan had issues with his brother Don Jamie, and did not get along with Alfonso, Jamie's son. It was his insistance that Alfonso's title of Duke of Cadiz to made lifetime only, thus prevented Alfonso's son Luis Alfonso from inheiting the title. (this information came from Ricardo Mateos who knew Spanish Royal history well)Queen Sofia was just toeing the offical family line.


Beware of how you interpret what Ricardo has said...word of caution.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: crotalo on November 17, 2005, 04:15:52 AM
However , Alfonso has the right of claiming who he is.
He is precedent by male primogeniture. the first in direct male Bourbon line. Jaime's renounce was not very clear.
This was a private letter signature, but it was NOT ratified by the parliament (a mistake of alfonso XIII).
     He tricked to stole their rights to Ena's first sons for their haemophilia. both of them assured their renounces were fictious. (Memories of Emmanuela de Dampierre, diamonds of the crown, Juan Balansó).

                 Tell me. Is it possible not to invite to the marriage of the Prince his cousin, direct descendant of Louis XIV and of Saint Louis and to invite toreadors or
Farah Divas?  She is who makes the list. a woman could do that, but not a Queen.

Frederika. Do you know in Greece affiches were colled in the streets with her face in big size and the words "Beware, she could return"?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on November 17, 2005, 10:13:36 AM
The renunciations signed by the Prince of Asturias and the Infante don Jaime were quite clear, not a single doubt as to what they both were signing.  To say the opposite is simply historically incorrect.

Your claim that PARLIAMENT did not ratyify the renunciations is baseless.  What Republican parliament was going to  get itself involved in ratifying anything done within the royal house while in exile?  in exile the epicenter of royal law was King Alfonso XIII and after his death in 1941 the Count of Barcelona.  They did so mindful of the laws in existence at the time of the monarchy's fall, upholding important laws such as the Pragmatica of Carlos III which was responsible for regulating marriages within the family.

Furthermore, to use the ramblings of Madame Sozzani and the gossipy works of the late Juan Balansó, whom I knew well, as your basis for these assertions is a big mistake.

Madame Sozzani has backed away from many of the things she wrote in her hateful book.

Don Luis Alfosno de Borbón and his aunt, Emanuela Pratolongo, were at the Prince of Asturias' wedding.  Empress Farah of Iran is a good friend of Their Majesties, others present, among them several bllfighters, are distinguished Spanish personalities and had a right to be there.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Grand Duke on November 17, 2005, 01:33:15 PM
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Is it possible not to invite to the marriage of the Prince his cousin, direct descendant of Louis XIV and of Saint Louis and to invite toreadors or
Farah Divas?  She is who makes the list. a woman could do that, but not a Queen.


Why do you think Royals are better than the other human beings?
Royals are just humans like you and me, so they love and hate, do great and little things, do right and wrong things.
She may be a Queen but she is a woman first!
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on November 17, 2005, 03:52:18 PM
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Queen Sophia is a cold , frozen person "iron eyes". She is respected by everybody in Spain but she has also detractors. What happens is that in Spain there is a kind of censure when talking about the royal family and it is forbiden in medias to criticise them. But everybody konws "things". Nobody ignores she takes all the decissions of the royal house. That she intrigued a lot to get the crown against her father in law. Coming fom aa operetta fake court, she did the impossible to pass over everybody.It is Forbiden to talk about the king infidelities, but everybody knows his affairs with actresses and singers:B. R  and P S B. even with another ex-queen!! when younger, Sophia flied to Greece with their children twice and was called to order
by the government. (nobody remembers).
      Her behaviour to other members of the royal family is to blame. Luis Alfonso , the Duke of Anjou, is a nice, humble man. He was not invited to any royal marriage. No member of the royal house at his own wedding. the bastard son of Alphonse XIII, recognised as Bourbon by law and his family doesn't exist to her. She was extremely intolerant with the girlfriends ofpoor Philippe.
Being a woman lack of charms, she adores stones. That's why she envy terribly the baronesa T.and this, who is a great woman, always goes to receptions where
the queen is wearing an irreal stone big like an egg.

       I suppose this is insupportable to see the ministers
flattering Titta. To receive her, she wears in black or grey, trying to appear simply majestatic. The mediocre tiara of Hannover, wich her grand mother wore while dinning with nazi generals is eclipsed by these Tita stones.

Her great culture. that is incredible. Nobody knows this woman, who speaks seven languages? and has difficulty to express herself in spanish. They speak english at home. when she visit museums or go to the Opera, she smile, any comment, that's all. If she smile, she is cultivated. Actually, she might be bored, absent, interested. Who knows? the stupidity is incredible when people want to beleive what is prepared to make believe.

             Sophie is a lie. It is a great lie, as other great lies of this world (the tolerance of the republique francaise with inmigrants) Idolos de barro.


Only one line is correct in your otherwise stupifying insanely rambling post:"The stupidity is incredible when people want to believe what is prepared to make believe".
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Grand Duke on November 17, 2005, 04:51:21 PM
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Only one line is correct in your otherwise stupifying insanely rambling post:"The stupidity is incredible when people want to believe what is prepared to make believe".You.


Lucien,

please you don't need to be soo harsh with Crotalo. Everyone have their opinions and you must respect them. If you don't agree with Crotalo explain why she is wrong, using polite terms.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on November 17, 2005, 06:06:43 PM
Dearest Grand Duke,I agree entirely that each is entitled to his/her opinion,but abusing the person of the Queen of Spain would really have called for your,no doubt,well intended request on my behalve.Freedom of speech is wonderfull,to abuse it is almost becoming "part of life"here there and everywhere,and I for one will simply not have it and will never respect that,ever.Usually I'm the easy going understanding kind,but not with this sort of posts and the people behind it.

Her post was/is entirely based on some marrequita's gossip,as was already hinted at by a previous poster.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2005, 08:34:04 PM
Queen Sofia is a resptestable person and highly popular among the people of Spain. Although we all know that she is not a saint, but to put her in those terms is unnnessary.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: crotalo on November 18, 2005, 04:21:31 AM
Do you want me in jail? ;D
Lucien. If you want to see the mother and grandmother of Sophia with their arm saluting the glorious III Reich, you can see them, surroundend not by marrequita gossips precisely.

      not so clear. Alfonso was denied his pension and litterary starved in Miami. so he threatened this man who married a gorgeous blonde knowing what he knew and then escaped responsabilities. so he sent an ultimarum: the pension or the claims. and the pension was restaured. so not clear.Precisely for being in exile, the situation is irregular and no registered. A private letter has no legality.Over this, there are many persons who thinks the primogeniture comes from birth and ends with death. It is , no law can deny a heir who he is.
Maria Theresa of Habsbourg renounced her claims to marry louis XIV, and .....  Philippe V renounced his claims to the french throne, and.... he hoped death will bring him this crown.And this , being legal international treaties. so imagine.

What else? Tyranosaurus Rex Farah is a good friend of the royal family, and Noor a good friend of thequeen and better friend of the king.

The official biographies of both Sophia and Ena, were flattering compositions. This of sophia is an hagiography.
Glossip is lipstick? I don't want a crowned mummy. I prefer Margarita of Denmark. An my king is ALFONSO, DUKE OF ANJOU, LOUIS XX DE FRANCE,the most kind, respectfull, handsome and intelligent prince of Europe.

And don't treat me as a single person, for you know I am not alone with this oppinion.

   Vive le Roi! VIVA Alfonso XIV! Down the saint potato!

HE IS, even all alexander palaces forums against.



  Monsieur le Grand Duc, vos joues sont un peu déclenchées. Eprouvez Kanebo, c'est nicquel. ;)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on November 18, 2005, 04:36:17 AM
This thread is about Reina Sofia,not about claimants,nor rambling de-composing posts.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on November 18, 2005, 09:52:20 AM
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Do you want me in jail? ;D
Lucien. If you want to see the mother and grandmother of Sophia with their arm saluting the glorious III Reich, you can see them, surroundend not by marrequita gossips precisely.

       not so clear. Alfonso was denied his pension and litterary starved in Miami. so he threatened this man who married a gorgeous blonde knowing what he knew and then escaped responsabilities. so he sent an ultimarum: the pension or the claims. and the pension was restaured. so not clear.Precisely for being in exile, the situation is irregular and no registered. A private letter has no legality.Over this, there are many persons who thinks the primogeniture comes from birth and ends with death. It is , no law can deny a heir who he is.
Maria Theresa of Habsbourg renounced her claims to marry louis XIV, and .....  Philippe V renounced his claims to the french throne, and.... he hoped death will bring him this crown.And this , being legal international treaties. so imagine.

What else? Tyranosaurus Rex Farah is a good friend of the royal family, and Noor a good friend of thequeen and better friend of the king.

The official biographies of both Sophia and Ena, were flattering compositions. This of sophia is an hagiography.
Glossip is lipstick? I don't want a crowned mummy. I prefer Margarita of Denmark. An my king is ALFONSO, DUKE OF ANJOU, LOUIS XX DE FRANCE,the most kind, respectfull, handsome and intelligent prince of Europe.


First of all a warning, either be respectful to the topic at hand and the people discussed here or I will delete your posts.

As for the rest of your rambling...Certainly the Hannovers were lukewarm supporters of Hitler and his new regime, but would it surprise you to know that they were not the only ones who saw in this new government the hope of a restoration? The hope of a stronger Germany?  What National Sociliasm ended as was quite different from what is began as.

The Count of Covadonga was not starved in Miami.  He died because of a car accident brought about by heavy drinking and excessive partying with lewd women. Like many of his generation the fomer Prince of Astrias liked fast cars and faster women.  He was an embarrasment to his family, the dynasty and his people...a huge disappointment the poor boy he was.

The Pragmatica of Carlos III, you will be surprised to know, governed family issues within the Spanish royal family.  You violate the Pragmatica, you pay the consequences.  This law was in effect until 1987 for all intents and purposes whenit was finally superseded by the new constitution.  The Pragmatica demanded that as a member of the Spanish royal family you marry within certain circles.  Marriage outside these bounds earned serious consequences.  No one was above the law. It was the law of the land, plain and simple.

The Infanta Maria Teresa of Spain's renunciation upon marriage to Louis XIV became invalid, in the eyes of the French King, when Felipe IV and Carlos II failed to pay her dowry.  Carlos II chose his great-nephew the Duke d'Anjou as his heir, instead of his cousin Archduke Karl as had been expected.  These were internal court machinations that in the end had very little to do with the signing of renunciations.  Consequently, Spain, France and the Empire were embroiled in a long protracted war that cost all quite dearly.

Empress Farah and Queen Noor are delightful ladies.  why do you have this terrible dislike for them and not for far worst peaople among royalty escapes me.

You may be surprised to know that don Luis Alfonso was not born a prince and is certainly far away from being the most handsome, intelligent and well-prepared "prince" in Europe my kind lady.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Marlene on November 18, 2005, 02:11:37 PM
not so clear. Alfonso was denied his pension and litterary starved in Miami. so he threatened this man who married a gorgeous blonde knowing what he knew and then escaped responsabilities."   so he sent an ultimarum: the pension or the claims.

Alfonso was not starved ... he died as the result of injuries (he was a hemophiliac) suffered in a car crash in Miami - he was in the car with Mildred Graydon - Merry Millie the Cigarette girl from a local club when the car crashed.   The count's death made the papers - and there are photos of the crash scene in the papers.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2005, 07:04:56 PM
Yes I agree...I aways beliveve that Queen Sofia is a great lady. Shocking that some feel so negative about her  ???
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Marlene on November 18, 2005, 08:48:49 PM
Actually, there is some truth to the statements about Queen Sofia.   Some would describe her as aloof, but she is rather shy.  She does not have a close circle of friends in Spain - no close friends among members of the Spanish aristocracy, for example.  Her two closest friends are her sister, Irene, and her cousins, Princess Tatiana, Madame Fruchaud.  She was also a determined mother, and was the one mostly responsible for Felipe ending his relationship with the Norwegian model, Evan Sannum.  
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2005, 09:03:17 AM
True, but she was also thought to have push him for a Royal bride, yet Queen Sofia supported her son when he made his choice. A loving and suppoting mother no doubt  ;)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on November 19, 2005, 01:00:40 PM
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Actually, there is some truth to the statements about Queen Sofia.   Some would describe her as aloof, but she is rather shy.  She does not have a close circle of friends in Spain - no close friends among members of the Spanish aristocracy, for example.  Her two closest friends are her sister, Irene, and her cousins, Princess Tatiana, Madame Fruchaud.  She was also a determined mother, and was the one mostly responsible for Felipe ending his relationship with the Norwegian model, Evan Sannum.  


When Felipe went about inquiring from the Spanish President what the government's position would be if he made Ms. Sannum his bride, Aznar was quite clear in telling him that the government would not look upon his choice favorably.  The King was not happy with it either.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: crotalo on November 20, 2005, 05:18:14 AM
Eurohistory. First of all, i have not desqualifyed any member of this group discussion. But I have been called stupid openly. If we consider here princess sophie as an historical personnage., i have the perfect right to post my point of vue, as others do with other queenss of the past. These oppinions are not new, even they have been published and these books are legal. Unless I express pornographic, violent terms or insult directly (what i have not done) you have any right to delete anything in the name of the liberty of expression and oppinion. this was possible in the imperial Persia, however.All hateful my ideas are for you, your task as moderator is to prevent others from insults to me. Of course your own oppinion is respectful to me.

              Now. I have not said the prince had starved in Miame, just he was starving. It was a metaphore for signifying he had no money and serious economical problems. I know the material cause of his death. However, you did'nt know about the existence of Leandro, for when I named him, you started to speak of other Alfonsos. Only Umigon noticed that.

 I'm not so surprised as you assured i would be. I have heard your arguments before. Youcan not justify the nazi cooperation by tellig they were not unique. There were persons who never cooperated and flyed from Europe. Horrors and injustices commenced in the 30's.
althought the hell was at the end..

         I cant beleive what I heard, it's surrealistic. Farah Diva was a distant being surrounded by emeralds while iranian people suffered the misery. Her excess and ostentation have few examples of comparison in all the history. How she was hated by her people!She was another Imelda Marcos. she escaped the execution by miracle.What are you talking about??? :o :o

            How many hypocrisy. Eva Sanun was worse than Letizia for practising top-less. However the king likes it very much for he had a well known affair with one of the top-less "queens " of the 70's BR. That's what i call to be near the people.

              You can say all you want to argue (cigarette girl etc...) and you deny me the same right. Why? ???


               I am not obliged to speak of princess sopfia in different terms of another women for i don't regognise her as my queen, and i am in my right.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Marlene on November 20, 2005, 09:26:10 PM
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Eurohistory. First of all, i have not desqualifyed any member of this group discussion. But I have been called stupid openly. If we consider here princess sophie as an historical personnage., i have the perfect right to post my point of vue, as others do with other queenss of the past. These oppinions are not new, even they have been published and these books are legal. Unless I express pornographic, violent terms or insult directly (what i have not done) you have any right to delete anything in the name of the liberty of expression and oppinion. this was possible in the imperial Persia, however.All hateful my ideas are for you, your task as moderator is to prevent others from insults to me. Of course your own oppinion is respectful to me.

               Now. I have not said the prince had starved in Miame, just he was starving. It was a metaphore for signifying he had no money and serious economical problems. I know the material cause of his death. However, you did'nt know about the existence of Leandro, for when I named him, you started to speak of other Alfonsos. Only Umigon noticed that.

  I'm not so surprised as you assured i would be. I have heard your arguments before. Youcan not justify the nazi cooperation by tellig they were not unique. There were persons who never cooperated and flyed from Europe. Horrors and injustices commenced in the 30's.
althought the hell was at the end..

          I cant beleive what I heard, it's surrealistic. Farah Diva was a distant being surrounded by emeralds while iranian people suffered the misery. Her excess and ostentation have few examples of comparison in all the history. How she was hated by her people!She was another Imelda Marcos. she escaped the execution by miracle.What are you talking about??? :o :o

             How many hypocrisy. Eva Sanun was worse than Letizia for practising top-less. However the king likes it very much for he had a well known affair with one of the top-less "queens " of the 70's BR. That's what i call to be near the people.

               You can say all you want to argue (cigarette girl etc...) and you deny me the same right. Why? ???


                I am not obliged to speak of princess sopfia in different terms of another women for i don't regognise her as my queen, and i am in my right.



To say that "starving" is a metaphor for serious economic problems would say to me that you don't understand the English language all that well.  If someone is starving, they are suffering from severe hunger, and are probably malnourished.  The former prince of Asturias was hardly in that category.  He certainly did money, and was never in financial straits in the USA.

As for Leandro - well, he's just one of a number of illegitimate children fathered by Alfonso XIII.   Alfonso planted his seed throughout Spain ... he made not attempt at a public acknowledgement, let alone a private acknowledgement.
As for Frederika,  she was hardly a Nazi.  That she joined the Hitler youth is not doubted... but she had no choice.  It was mandatory for all.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Iskenderbey on November 21, 2005, 10:41:17 AM
If I can provide my own opinions on this matter, regarding Queen Sofia.

While by many, the Queen is considered cold, aloof, etc., one must take into account her upbringing and education.  

Do not forget that the Queen received a strict royal upbringing, one that was re-inforced in her everyday her duties as a Princess, as the daughter of a reigning King. She was instilled with Royal duty, Royal Duty, Royal Duty.  There was no leeway.  Furthermore, the situation in then conservative Greece, made it that the royal children were very sheltered, and were required to uphold certain ideals and certain codes of behavior.

For instance, as a teenager, her brother, then Crown Prince Constantine, was bad-mouthed, simply because he wanted to frequent the "bouzoukia" night clubs, that had become the rage in the 50s.

They say Juan Carlos is the total opposite, happy go lucky, funny, carefree, etc.  Quite frankly, as a child and adolescent, he didn't have the constraints that Sofia had, since he wasn't a Prince of a Reigning House, nor slated to take over the Throne of Spain till he was almost 30!  This is quite different from Sofia, who had to deal with Royal Life from the minute she was born, and mostly importantly, from the age of 8, when her father became King.

The fact that she puts duty above all else, her duty as Queen of Spain, her duty to the Spaniards, is highly commendable.  Even more so, her abilities as a very hands on mother.  

The very few traces of her truly personal non-Queen side that we are able to catch, clearly shows how truthful and warm the Queen can be.
I mean, look at her trips to Greece, when the Greeks flock around her, clearly in awe and charmed by her, as she walks around her fellow countrymen like she never left.  And this, in a country with people that turn all colors of the rainbow at the mention of her brother's name!!

In regards to Queen Frederica, that Nazi business is total non-sense in my opinion.  After all, she spent a lot of her youth in Austria, which was clearly out of the Nazi path until the forced Aunshluss, which didn't occur until 1938 anyway, and by that time, she was already married in Greece.
Like Marlene Koenig mentioned, all aristocrats had to be members of the Nazi party, or force losing their status and property, their liberty.  
Does anyone nowadays fault Putin for being a former KGB member?
It also neglects the fact that her father, Prince Ernst-August, consulted Queen Mary of the UK, who advised him to send Frederica to Italy, to get away from the Nazis.  
Read some of her letters to her parents, as the Nazis and Italians were invading Greece, and you get a sense of where her priorities lay.

Regards to all,
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 21, 2005, 08:05:57 PM
I agree everything you said about Queen Sofia. That she put duty beyond all things makes her acceptance of all her children's partners (especially Letizia) very moving. They are reported to be great friends. No Grand Duchess Augusta of Mecklenburg-Strelitz type of snobbery here nor was the Minnie of Denmark interference.

As for Frederica, her sense of being a strong woman and her redical politics put her into conflict with everybody (her relatives included). The Greek people  (Monarchist) still blame her for responsibility for the fall of the monarchy there. No her case was not cut and dry.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on November 22, 2005, 10:27:44 AM
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Eurohistory. First of all, i have not desqualifyed any member of this group discussion. But I have been called stupid openly. If we consider here princess sophie as an historical personnage., i have the perfect right to post my point of vue, as others do with other queenss of the past. These oppinions are not new, even they have been published and these books are legal. Unless I express pornographic, violent terms or insult directly (what i have not done) you have any right to delete anything in the name of the liberty of expression and oppinion. this was possible in the imperial Persia, however.All hateful my ideas are for you, your task as moderator is to prevent others from insults to me. Of course your own oppinion is respectful to me.

               Now. I have not said the prince had starved in Miame, just he was starving. It was a metaphore for signifying he had no money and serious economical problems. I know the material cause of his death. However, you did'nt know about the existence of Leandro, for when I named him, you started to speak of other Alfonsos. Only Umigon noticed that.

  I'm not so surprised as you assured i would be. I have heard your arguments before. Youcan not justify the nazi cooperation by tellig they were not unique. There were persons who never cooperated and flyed from Europe. Horrors and injustices commenced in the 30's.
althought the hell was at the end..

          I cant beleive what I heard, it's surrealistic. Farah Diva was a distant being surrounded by emeralds while iranian people suffered the misery. Her excess and ostentation have few examples of comparison in all the history. How she was hated by her people!She was another Imelda Marcos. she escaped the execution by miracle.What are you talking about??? :o :o

             How many hypocrisy. Eva Sanun was worse than Letizia for practising top-less. However the king likes it very much for he had a well known affair with one of the top-less "queens " of the 70's BR. That's what i call to be near the people.

               You can say all you want to argue (cigarette girl etc...) and you deny me the same right. Why? ???


                I am not obliged to speak of princess sopfia in different terms of another women for i don't regognise her as my queen, and i am in my right.


You are not in your right to insult.  As moderator I will delet your posts if I find them insulting and disrespectful.  You have so far referred to Queen Noor, Empress Farah and Queen Sofia in terms that border bad behavior.  You are advised of what I will do, plain and simple.

Discussing is one thing, insulting is quite another.  It is obvious here that you have a deep dislike towards HM, that is indeed yout "right," but what is not your right is to be insulting.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on November 23, 2005, 05:40:42 AM
The Queen of Spain is a wonderful example of a modern Queen Consort. Those who see her as aloof have obviously not seen her interaction with the families of the dead after the Madrid bombings in their time of sorrow nor her friendly interaction with the press after the birth of the Infanta Elenor in her time of personal joy. I have no doubt however that she did her utmost to ensure the restoration of the Bourbons in 75 and could be ruthless in defence of the dynasty. In the words of her husband she is no doubt "a true professional".
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: isabel on November 23, 2005, 11:41:42 AM
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The Queen of Spain is a wonderful example of a modern Queen Consort. Those who see her as aloof have obviously not seen her interaction with the families of the dead after the Madrid bombings in their time of sorrow nor her friendly interaction with the press after the birth of the Infanta Elenor in her time of personal joy. I have no doubt however that she did her utmost to ensure the restoration of the Bourbons in 75 and could be ruthless in defence of the dynasty. In the words of her husband she is no doubt "a true professional".



Our Queen is a "true professional", i think it´s absolutly true. She is a woman too, we can´t forget this.

Perhaps she has her defaults, sure, but appart the professional (and a good one), she has been an excelent mother and wife.

I will never forget  her tears looking his husband, the King, in the funeral of his father D. Juan the Borbon.

As a spanish i am very proud to have a Queen as her.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Grand Duke on November 23, 2005, 02:02:36 PM
I like the Spanish RF very much: they all seem very nice and honest people.

I like and respect them more than the Windsors or the Grimaldis.

Don't forget the human behaviour the Spanish RF showed during the 11th March 2004 terrorist attack.

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Laura_ on November 23, 2005, 03:04:06 PM
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I like the Spanish RF very much: they all seem very nice and honest people.

I like and respect them more than the Windsors or the Grimaldis.

Don't forget the human behaviour the Spanish RF showed during the 11th March 2004 terrorist attack.



I totally agree with you!!!!!!they are better than the Windsors  and far better than the Grimaldis...maybe the Danish Royal Family "matches" them
Laura
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on November 24, 2005, 01:25:47 AM
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Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: crotalo on November 25, 2005, 04:13:52 AM
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If I can provide my own opinions on this matter, regarding Queen Sofia.

While by many, the Queen is considered cold, aloof, etc., one must take into account her upbringing and education.  

Do not forget that the Queen received a strict royal upbringing, one that was re-inforced in her everyday her duties as a Princess, as the daughter of a reigning King. She was instilled with Royal duty, Royal Duty, Royal Duty.  There was no leeway.  Furthermore, the situation in then conservative Greece, made it that the royal children were very sheltered, and were required to uphold certain ideals and certain codes of behavior.

For instance, as a teenager, her brother, then Crown Prince Constantine, was bad-mouthed, simply because he wanted to frequent the "bouzoukia" night clubs, that had become the rage in the 50s.

They say Juan Carlos is the total opposite, happy go lucky, funny, carefree, etc.  Quite frankly, as a child and adolescent, he didn't have the constraints that Sofia had, since he wasn't a Prince of a Reigning House, nor slated to take over the Throne of Spain till he was almost 30!  This is quite different from Sofia, who had to deal with Royal Life from the minute she was born, and mostly importantly, from the age of 8, when her father became King.

The fact that she puts duty above all else, her duty as Queen of Spain, her duty to the Spaniards, is highly commendable.  Even more so, her abilities as a very hands on mother.  

The very few traces of her truly personal non-Queen side that we are able to catch, clearly shows how truthful and warm the Queen can be.
I mean, look at her trips to Greece, when the Greeks flock around her, clearly in awe and charmed by her, as she walks around her fellow countrymen like she never left.  And this, in a country with people that turn all colors of the rainbow at the mention of her brother's name!!

In regards to Queen Frederica, that Nazi business is total non-sense in my opinion.  After all, she spent a lot of her youth in Austria, which was clearly out of the Nazi path until the forced Aunshluss, which didn't occur until 1938 anyway, and by that time, she was already married in Greece.
Like Marlene Koenig mentioned, all aristocrats had to be members of the Nazi party, or force losing their status and property, their liberty.  
Does anyone nowadays fault Putin for being a former KGB member?
It also neglects the fact that her father, Prince Ernst-August, consulted Queen Mary of the UK, who advised him to send Frederica to Italy, to get away from the Nazis.  
Read some of her letters to her parents, as the Nazis and Italians were invading Greece, and you get a sense of where her priorities lay.

Regards to all,



          Yes, I understand now. Simply, with all respect and consideration , we have not the same concept of Liberty in all senses, of choice and of priorities. I would prefer to die to put my arm in such a manner.

                As for you, Eurohistory. You can not understand the dolour of my family assassined in the spanish civil war and my politic family disapperared in Germany. This can not be deleted. You can not delete it.

I repeat. Sincerelly and respectfully. I would loose properties, status, and even life before justifying such a cooperation, and you must respect this as I underestand that everyone has his own morality.

It seems that you think i am insensible to terrorist recent events. But i suffer them as mines for I have my relatives shamefully interred and I dont know where.

you seems sensible to believe in tears. Please respect mines.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on November 26, 2005, 06:11:51 PM
Most of my father's grandmother's relations were exterminated in the Holocaust.  The last name disappeared in the male line after 1945 and in the female line after my great-grandmother's death in 1958.

Do I hate Germans for that?  No...I hate the ideology that brought a civilized nation to such brutality.

As sorry as I am for anyone losing relations in the circumstances here discussed, that does not excuse by any means channeling those dislikes and phobias to present-day people who had nothing to do with events which took place in 1930-1940.

Plain and simple...at issue here is the fact that disrespectful terms were used to refer to Queen doña Sofía as well as other royal ladies who have earned great respect.

End it please.  No more sob stories, no more irate ramblings against people, no more disrespectful terms.  Facts first and foremost.

ONE MORE POST ON THIS TOPIC THAT DEALS WITH NON-FACTUAL RAMBLINGS...AND I WILL DELETE IT...PLAIN and SIMPLE.

This is a discussion board about the Spanisg royal family, not a therapy session for people to use and abuse.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: crotalo on November 27, 2005, 05:01:10 AM
Queen Sophia is certainly a Great Woman , discret, serious,professional. She is engaged to many humanitary organizations and cultural events. She is a very cultivated lady who speaks several languages. Excellent mother and wife. She is reserved and beloved by her subjects. Queen Noor is a person of an extraordinary quality, the Light of Jordania and Farah Diva deserves all the considerations for her dignity.

Do you agree with me? I would like to entertain this topic alive. But i'm affraid if we all agree we will be a little bored :'(

  FA, i feel abused. My liberty of expression is being threatened. I have read threads in bad terms of royals who are dead, (Catherine de Medicis, Hnry VIII etc etc)
However it is correct. But nobody feel angry. and deads deserve even more respect, for they can not defend themselves, you know. Politic, history is politic, monarchy is politic. Serious: History is serious, too serious. personal. history is too personal for we all do history:You are history, so i am.

         If you find something disrespectful here, delete, please. My "abuse" ends just where starts your perfect right of passing over. I don't oblige anybody to look for me. I would not accept to have a gratuite therapy for in that case you should to pay too the bill. you can not deny we have got quite fun ;)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Jackswife on November 27, 2005, 06:00:29 AM
 I don't think Juan Carlos could have chosen a better Queen: I'm sure there are those who don't agree but it seems Sofia has worked very hard alongside the King to create favorable feelings among Spaniards for the monarchy. (I think the King will be a hard act to follow but that's another thread) ;). As for Frederika, she unfortunately chose to back the  Nazi regime (as did some other royals at the time) but that is not Sofia's fault. I'm sure Sofia loved her mother very much but I can't see her approving or supporting her mother's bad decisions.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on November 27, 2005, 02:56:24 PM
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I don't think Juan Carlos could have chosen a better Queen: I'm sure there are those who don't agree but it seems Sofia has worked very hard alongside the King to create favorable feelings among Spaniards for the monarchy. (I think the King will be a hard act to follow but that's another thread) ;). As for Frederika, she unfortunately chose to back the  Nazi regime (as did some other royals at the time) but that is not Sofia's fault. I'm sure Sofia loved her mother very much but I can't see her approving or supporting her mother's bad decisions.


When Princess Friederike of Hannover was photographed sporting the Hitler Youth uniform she was in her teens.  Youngsters in Germany had to join these organizations or else.  The Hannovers, as with many other royals felt initially that Hitler and National Socialism would bring back the order the propserity Germany lost during the Weimer Republic.  Eventually we all know that was not the case and instead bigger ills were visited on this cultured nation.  Friederike did NOT "choose to back the Nazi regime."  In fact she, and all the Greek royals, were quite vocal in their opposition to Germany's meddling in Greece.

I would ask that if you are going to accuse Friederike of Hannover of being a Nazi, you herewith provide the evidence for such a claim.

I for one, would be most interested in seeing the sources that back your assertions, and I trust many more would also be most interested in the sourcing for these claims.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 27, 2005, 08:32:18 PM
Yes I agree with Arturo, the case for her being a Nazi was not a strong one. Nobody seriously thinks she was  genuine, although she wore the uniform (although the association was an unfortunate one, as you remember when Prince Claus marries Queen Beatrix, the only sin they could find was that he was a member of the Hitler youth). No... Frederica's problems started when she involved herself with politics in Greece, a thing her daughter Sofia did not.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: isabel on November 29, 2005, 12:12:01 PM
Absolutly agree with Eric and Arturo.

There is a very beautiful song of Jean Jacques Goldman, titled "If i was born.........", about the place and the times we are born.

Can we affirm that if we were born in Germany, in those times, we would never  wore a Nazi uniform? Are we absolutly sure?

I think it is very easy to judge 50 years later.

I can asure you that i am absolutly against the nazis, but i can´t hate all the germans for the madness of some of them.

About crotalo......my opion is that you can express your opinion about any royal, alive or death, but .....with respect please, the same idea can be told, politely (even if you are not agree with the person in question) or in bad terms.

I am spanish, i have lost several members of my family as you in the civil war, i don´t think that the Royal Family has any responsability in those terrible facts.

All the wars are terrible, but specially the wars between brothers. Also, a war is between two or more bands,  the responsability is only of one of them? In any case this topic is about an specific person, Queen Sofía of Spain, what´s the relation of her person and the spanish civil war?

If one person has done all he has can to instaure the democracy in Spain, this person is our King Juan Carlos, and we can´t forget that he has always have the support of Sofía in all his decisions.

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on November 29, 2005, 09:01:54 PM
I have followed this with interest though it's not really my area of interest.

I have a friend who is Greek-American and married to a Greek and every time we'd talk about the Greek monarchy he'd curse about QF and say how she was a Nazi.

My question is, how widespread is this belief and to what is it ascribed? Did it detract from the monarchy's popularity?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: isabel on November 30, 2005, 01:51:36 PM
The position of the Duke and Duchess of Brunswick towards nazism was not very easy. In 1934, Hitler asked them (bias the General von Ribbentrop), to make an approach to England, this approach was based in a project of marriage between Federika and the Prince of Wales (the future Eduard VIII), who seemed to be a sympathizer of the nazis of Germany.

Victoria Louise, the mother of Federika, related: "My husband and i were unhinged about it, we answered Hitler that in our opinion the difference of ages between Federika and the Prince of Wales impeded a projet like this, and also that we were not disposed to press our daughter.

Federika wrote in her memorys:

"My father was not a sympathizer of the nazi´s movement, but he couldn´t say it openly. We had a lot of people working in our house and several of them were agree with nazis. Some of them were fanatics, others not, but we had to be very careful with all our coments......"

"One day, two women come to my house, to talk with my parents, it was a law that all the young people had to join the Hitlerain´s youths, and those women arrived to remember this to my parents. One day per week, i was obliged to wear those uniforme...."
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2005, 08:20:13 PM
I don't know but I heard that Viktoria Luise was a "real" nazi sympathizer (at least in the begining)like some of her brothers.  :(
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: isabel on December 01, 2005, 02:23:34 AM
Perhaps you are right, and Federica wrote this to excuse her mother.......We will never know.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on December 03, 2005, 10:43:10 AM
Indeed...the Treaty of Versailles was an abomination.  When the armistice was signed between the fighting powers Germany was promised a peace without victors...and quickly thrown to the wolves by the ambitions of the French and the lethardy on this matter of the English, while the Americans stood there and allowed this to happen.  The Second World War began at Versailles after the signing!

Hitler did indeed arrive into a bleak political void to lead a people who were desperately trying to find themselves.  He fully took advantage of these issues and made away with power.

By the early 1940's most of the royals who had initially seen promise in his movement had abandoned it.  A very few remained loyal to the end.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 03, 2005, 10:49:06 AM
Yes...I think quite a lot chose to shut their eyes to reality. Only a few supported it until the end. However only a few did something about it. Princess Andrew of Greece was one of those who chose to risk her life to make a difference. :)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: palimpsest on December 18, 2005, 12:48:23 PM
I don't know Eric.

I heard that they first married in the Orthodox Church, then she converted to Roman Catholicism and they married a second time. In doing so, she relinquished her rights to the throne of Greece. Is it true?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2005, 06:49:19 PM
I think so...Although I heard that Sofia took it quite hard when she knew she had to leave the church of her youth. However I think she is now well ajusted to Catholism.  :)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: palimpsest on December 18, 2005, 07:04:16 PM
Yes, you must be almost right.
A small detail. I heard that in Venezuela [almost 100% Catholic country] two nuns converted to orthodoxy and started a monastery and an orphanage. The queen visited Venezuela and was very happy to see those orthodox nuns in such an unexpected place. I heard those nuns say “the queen is orthodox”… they were probably wrong.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Iskenderbey on December 19, 2005, 03:06:39 PM
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I don't know Eric.

I heard that they first married in the Orthodox Church, then she converted to Roman Catholicism and they married a second time. In doing so, she relinquished her rights to the throne of Greece. Is it true?


No, Sofia was still Greek Orthodox for both services.  There were two services, one Catholic and one Orthodox, which happened one after another the day of the wedding.

Sofia did not "convert" until after her marriage, while on her honeymoon, and on international waters, so as not to offend the Greeks.

She relinquished her rights to the Greek throne not so much b/c of becoming Roman Catholic, but b/c she married a foreign prince of another nation and thus would have to undertake her duties as a Princess of another nation.

Regards
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: QueenEna1887 on December 22, 2005, 11:02:14 PM
Does anyone have any more childhood photos of Queen Sofia maybe of her as a baby or with her as a kid with baby sister Irene?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: pentetorri on January 01, 2006, 12:36:27 PM
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I totally agree with you!!!!!!they are better than the Windsors  and far better than the Grimaldis...maybe the Danish Royal Family "matches" them
Laura


I think there is too much idealism regarding the Royal Family of Spain. Specially, due to the fact to the lack of information about the family. It is true, in Spain, there is a kind of agreement between the press and the Royal family. We do not hear of scandals, like in the case of the Windsor, not because they are the brady Bunch but because all scandals are censored.
Typical case is the inheritance of the Duke of Hernani, a disappearance from Museo del Prado and apropiation and sale of hundreds of masterpieces by the King and his sisters. If this "incident" would have happenned in England, well, the press would have had a feat. Or for example the problems of the Duke of Lugo.

Certainly, they are impecable in regards to their royal duties and appearances but I would say not better than the Windsors or Grimaldis. They have better PR.

Some of the comments on the Queen are excessive, but not too far from the truth. It is my personal opinion the monarchy will not survive beyond Juan Carlos. Spain is not a monarchy in spirit. It was a useful institution after Franco to keep the country together but not anymore. There is a strong need in the country to become a XXi century modern nation and I think the Bourbon will not have a place in it.  Sadly, but true. It could sound a contradiction but the Windsor have a better chance.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Laura_ on January 01, 2006, 06:17:16 PM
oh well that was my personal opinion too:)i think they are nice and decent;to me they are still better than the Windsors and Grimaldis  ;)and they are also Modern enough ;)(as opposed to the Windsors)
of course the monarchy will live under Juan Carlos and will survive under Felipe too...not to mention sweet Leonor :D but this is again my personal opinion


Laura
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2006, 09:29:48 PM
Well...I tend to agree. The Spanish royal family was so strong because of the love and respect for Juan Carlos and Sophia. Felipe will have to win his support, and that is an unknown factor of what kind of King he will be. Also because of their unquestioned prestige, the King & Queen was able to battle the opposition forces of the aristocracy, who hated Queen Sophia. The absence of them at Felipe's wedding was not accidental. Also as you said, Spanish society is changing, and it will see if the Royal Family can adapt to that.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on January 02, 2006, 11:39:38 AM
Their Majesties have shunned the old aristocratic families, many of whom remained loyal to the Royal Family (particularly don Juan) during the long years of exile.  

Perhaps the King felt that it would be better for his position to be more in touch with the people and less with a court that would ostracize him from his subjects.

I know a friend Mr. Lowe and I share always says the Spanish aristocracy "hates" doña Sofía, but Eric, that is our friend's opinion, not proven fact and I would hesitate to go about repeating it as fact.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 02, 2006, 11:58:51 AM
Well...I think he is qualify to say such words since he does lives in the country, while we do not. I also think the most important thing is how the people view the monarchy as an institution. Some of our friends predicted doom just because of the inter-marriages to commoners (your complain included), but I think it is more to do with the will of the people. Spain has changed much from the country that Juan Carlos took over. It is the future that is the most impoartant aspect.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on January 02, 2006, 12:08:38 PM
Our friend has not interviewed such a large number of aristocrats to make a solid blanket statement.  This I have even told him personally.  It remains his opinion, san opinion which I respect, but not always agree with.

I never predicted the doom of royalty for marrying commoners.  My dislike of this practice has always centered around the fact that the old notions of "dynasty" and other traditional aspects of the monarchical institution are on the way out.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 02, 2006, 12:27:10 PM
Well...One is allowed one's opinion.

The dynastic aspect I agree is growing thin, and there is a real concern that for royalty blending too much into the masses is a dangerous trend. It dimishes the mystique and remotes of the throne.  :-/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on January 02, 2006, 12:37:22 PM
Of course you are allowed your opinion, no is is cheating out of the right to do so.  But if you are going to state your opinion, or someone else's for that matter, as fact, then you ought to be readyt o defend it with fact, the facts on which the opinion was based.

As for royalty...when royals turn into VIP celebrity-style personalities, it is my opinion that they begin to walk a thin line courting popularity in this way.  How many celebrities from  three decades ago have been forgotten?  Countless...celebrity is a passing fancy, a fancy held by the people at large.  once that fancy is oovercome, celebritydom banishes and is forgotten.  I hope, pray, that royalty does not fall prey to this sickness.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: pentetorri on January 02, 2006, 12:49:55 PM
As long as Royals keep marrying commoners they are running the risk that they will become as "common" as any of us and Monarchy as an institution will loose all its mystique . And then what would be the difference of having a Mr. Smith or Mr. Perez on the throne than a Bourbon-Ortiz?

It is not a question of snobism or racism but of the very essence of Monarchy, the sense of history, tradition and hereditary right is being lost. At the very least the heir or heiress to the throne should try harder and look for a Royal to marry and continue the tradition. They must remember that tradition is nowadays the main reason they stay on their thrones, because with some exceptions as in Monaco, they do not have any real power. So to represent the country's history and tradition they should be the very embodiment of these values. Juan Carlos , even though some questionable chapters of his personal life,  has done a great job and Queen Sofia has been instrumental in that success, but Spanish society is advancing very fast and it is my personal view Felipe is not fit for the challenge.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 02, 2006, 12:59:05 PM
You state that quite nicely.  ;)

However I won't go that far to say that Felipe is not up to the job, but there are concerns the monarchy is moving into celebrtyism. It is my hope that Felipe can lead the monarchy into a new era.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: cimbrio on January 04, 2006, 08:06:54 AM
My mom was at University in Santiago de Compostela and when I ask her what was the general reaction at Franco's death, she always says: "Corks flew out of windows".
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 06, 2006, 10:00:48 AM
Your mother is right Cimbrio,corks flew everywhere,it was good ridence to a black episode in the history of España,Franco and Salazar(Portugal) were the two last fascist critters to be moved from here to the afterlife(if they got any-).It was hard to imagine at that time,how and in which way Spain's promised democracy would develop and would the military stay put.Now,30 years after,we can see the result,and HM role in that accomplishment.

30 Years of the Reign of Don Juan Carlos,a tribute:
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/2/0,1872,2396802,00.html

(only in german,sorry!)

Btw,Cimbrio,today we had a warning that some military still think they are THE guys who know all about running a state.I hope the Luietenant-General will be stripped of his rank.It is for guys like him Spain has to be aware,that Franco and the twits legacy still live on in some quarters,unfortunately.

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 07, 2006, 01:09:48 AM
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Both doña Sofía and Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands do like to sport big coiffures...

Arturo Beéche

They do don't they...:
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1084554044&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1084575607&str...
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Luke on July 31, 2006, 09:52:10 PM
for the native spanish speakers, can you notice an accent in Queen Sofia's spanish here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Pinq3ThQc&search=los%20reyes
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: lady on August 01, 2006, 07:43:53 AM
They don't talk a lot in this video to make an assurement on their accent, but I think both speak Spanish as a Spaniard would do, you wouln't say both were born in foreign countries. It would be better to listen a larger speech.

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on August 01, 2006, 10:58:32 AM
As a long term resident in Spain and a fluent Spanish speaker I would say that when listening to Queen Sofía speak one notices that she is not a native speaker of Spanish. While she speaks with correction and little accent her intonation is rather English or perhaps a little Prussian!
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: lady on August 02, 2006, 01:09:54 PM
Sure, Queen Sofía has a foreign accent but she speak as a Spaniard would do, I mean, we in Argentina speak Spanish with a quite different accent, different pronouns and conjugation of verbs.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on August 03, 2006, 10:47:40 AM
Accent-less Spanish or not, HM does a fantastic job as Queen of Spain, and that is what truly matters is it not?

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Quin on August 03, 2006, 06:22:08 PM
Yes.  HM does have a bit of an accent, but her Spanish is spontaneous and fluid.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on September 12, 2006, 05:35:26 PM
El Pardo Palace today:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=12-09-2006%20Madrid%20Spanish%20Sport%20Prizes

Courtesy Mr.Naharroo(?)/Mr.Veloo.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on December 05, 2006, 02:36:18 AM
HM Queen Sofia will attend the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony,Oslo City Hall sunday december 10th by invitation of this years Laureate Mr.Muhammad Yunus,founder of micro-credit/the Grameen Bank,Bangladesh.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: carl fraley on December 05, 2006, 08:55:02 PM
The comment earlier that said that "Juan Carlos was his own man as opposed to King Pavlos I).  Palo might have given HM queen Frederika a little too much
"leeway" but from everything I've read King Palo was a very Strong Individual and a pretty smart one at that.  What do you mean by this statement?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2006, 11:03:39 PM
I think Queen Frederique had more power in Athens than her daughter in Madrid. I heard that Juan Carlos had more than once asked her to butt out over some political situations.  ???
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 05, 2007, 03:46:15 AM
HM King Juan Carlos celebrates his 69th birthday today,january 5th.

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1160731847&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1159259506&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1155117893&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1075271591&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1075271631&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1075930338&str...
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on February 13, 2007, 11:46:28 AM
TM received South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun and his wife for a State Visit,Madrid yesterday.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=12-02-2007%20Spain

Courtesy PPE/Radial Press/Edwin Veloo.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on March 10, 2007, 11:43:46 PM
New official pictures of TM.

http://www.casareal.es/cronicas/FotosOficiales-ides-idweb.html

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on March 12, 2007, 07:37:20 AM
TM will be on a State Visit to Algeria from tomorrow march 13th till march 15th.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on March 21, 2007, 11:19:33 AM
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1173778262&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1173778243&str...

Courtesy Seegerpress.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on March 29, 2007, 02:07:31 PM
TM have been on a official visit to Colombia (march 23 - 26th),a State Visit to El Salvador (march 27th - 28th)and currently are on a State Visit to Guatemala,march 29th - 30th.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 01, 2007, 10:48:44 PM
TM will pay a State Visit to Luxembourg,april 16th - 18th.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 16, 2007, 04:06:24 PM
Los Reyes at the Gala Banquet at the Palais Grand Ducale,Luxembourg.HM conferred the Order of the Golden Fleece to Grand Duke Henri:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=16-04-2007%20Gala

courtesy PPE/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on June 08, 2007, 09:19:03 PM
European Royal History Journal subscribers attending the ERH Conference October 20-21, 2007, will get a chance to look at the portrait of Princess Margaret since we always host them for a dinner at our home.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: britt.25 on June 09, 2007, 11:08:40 AM
Wonderful to meet all these people! Archduchess Helen is....? Is she a Habsbugs through marriage? I think she will rather be the wife of any Archduke than being a born Habsburg herself, not true?

Thanks for telling, even if off-topic! ;)

And can you inform us what that means with the conference? Who is taking part?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on June 11, 2007, 08:11:50 AM
The final list of lecturers is not completed yet...we are 4 months away still, and even though there are baout 24 people already signed up to attend, all spaces will most certainly sell as we get closer to the date – every year we have had a sellout crowd.

I know that two well-known British authors will be lecturing. We are flying them from the UK to San Francisco for the event.  There are three US authors listed to lecture as well.

The conference closes the moment we have 50 attendees.  That is enough people for me. We reserve about 40 rooms at the hotel where we host the conference and to transport mmore than 50 people from there to our home for the dinner is a major chhore!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Seth Leonard on June 11, 2007, 08:25:32 AM
Archduchess Helen is....? Is she a Habsbugs through marriage? I think she will rather be the wife of any Archduke than being a born Habsburg herself, not true?

Archduchess Helen of Austria (nee Gräfin zu Toerring-Jettenbach) is the widow of Archduke Ferdinand (1918-2004).
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 11, 2007, 07:41:01 PM
Yes...I think daughter of Princess Elisabeth of Greece.  ???
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on June 12, 2007, 09:02:48 AM
Look at the family trees in my version of My Fifty Years, there Archduchess Helen (named after her grandmother) is included. Her three children were all named after their ancestors: Elisabeth (for Elisabeth of Greece), Sophie (for Sophie in Bavaria) and Maximilian (for Maximilian, Emperor Karl's only brother).

Helen's son, Maximilian, named his firstborn son after his own greeat-grandfather, Prince Nicholas of Greece.


Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on June 19, 2007, 10:43:48 AM
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia on two day State Visit in Spain.
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=18-06-2007%20Madrid

Courtesy PPE/Radial Press/NJ
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on June 24, 2007, 07:50:30 AM
TM arrived in China today for a 5 day State Visit.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 20, 2007, 11:18:52 AM
HM the King at the "Bribon XV".
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=19-07-2007%20Spain

Courtesy PPE/Radial Press/SLV Y AC.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 03, 2007, 10:57:29 AM
Summer 2007 at Mallorca.
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=30-07-2007%20Mallorca

Courtesy PPE/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 05, 2007, 10:00:59 AM
The website of the Casa Real is updated/has a new design:
http://www.casareal.es/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 23, 2007, 07:33:29 AM
Abuela Sofia...
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=17-08-2007%20Mallorca

Courtesy PPE/RadialPress.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Victor on August 30, 2007, 05:25:18 AM
Odd that such a popular King has chosen to have his finances and spending audited.I know he lives a high life but only what seems appropriate to a sovereign.So hard working too.I'm not sure what the audit implies.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on August 30, 2007, 08:47:24 PM
Transparency in a democracy is always the best path to follow.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on October 03, 2007, 08:19:31 AM
HM Queen Sofia yesterday.
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=02-10-2007%20Madrid

Courtesy PPE/RadialPress/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on October 12, 2007, 11:58:33 AM
National Day,Spain today:
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=12-10-2007%20Madrid

Courtesy PPE/Nieboer.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on October 12, 2007, 03:46:08 PM
National Day,Spain today:
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=12-10-2007%20Madrid

Courtesy PPE/Nieboer.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=12-10-2007%20Parade

Courtesy PPE/Nieboer.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on October 13, 2007, 09:32:17 AM
HM Queen Sofia will attend the premiere of the Spanish - Greek co-production "El Greco" at the Spades Theater on monday october 15th.

Tuesday:
HM will visit the Instituto Cervantes,Athens

Reception for the spanish NATO chefs and officials stationed at Thessaloniki,Spanish embassy,Athens

Opening of the exhibition "El Greco y su taller" at the Museum of Cycladic Arts,Athens

Wednesday
HM will receive the Gold Medal of the City of Athens at the City Hall of Athens
http://www.casareal.es/

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on November 11, 2007, 09:35:24 AM
Finally!!Someone told that nitwit off,better even,to shut up!

It happened at the Ibero - America summit in Santiago de Chile as spanish PM Zapatero was constantly interrupted by that idiot from Venezuela,Hugo Chavez.

HM got so fet up with that whiner interrupting,that he lost his temper and told him to shut up!!Which he eventually did.Then this fellow little critter from Nicaragua started to call Spain "names"and the King got up and left the summit,only to return after the hostess,Chile's President,talked him over to be part of the group picture.

This morning all the spanish media are full of praise for the King,and rightfully so!

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/304037/0/chavez/juancarlos/callas/

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/11/10/videos/1194717125.html
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Quin on November 13, 2007, 01:03:10 AM
I thought the below video would have made its way onto the boards by now, but then again the US media hasn't reported it much either if at all.

King Juan Carlos blows his cool.  A must see!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyN-5ilDGSA
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Victor on November 13, 2007, 03:15:56 AM
Actually I thought Juan Carlos got his point of veiw across with a certain style and without losing any dignity.Interesting body language through the rest of the shot.He was after all defending his own[former]Prime Minister.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Bernardino on November 13, 2007, 06:10:01 PM
I already liked very much King Juan Carlos...but HURRAY for him, he was the only one to be courageous enough to say to Dictator Chávez of Venezuela what most of the summit members had on their minds...Boooooooo for Chávez...Shame on you, get back to your 'revolutionary' sewer... >:(
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on November 14, 2007, 02:57:44 AM
I thought the below video would have made its way onto the boards by now, but then again the US media hasn't reported it much either if at all.

King Juan Carlos blows his cool.  A must see!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyN-5ilDGSA

Several videos have found their way to the boards and forums,i posted several links under the appropiate "King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia thread".
Thank you and good morning.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on November 20, 2007, 11:48:57 PM
Juanito y Bill.
http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=6634863&pos=1
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on December 31, 2007, 03:09:15 AM
HM The King is at present paying a surprise visit to the spanish contingent in the province of Herat,Afghanistan,wishing them a Happy New Year.
Spain has a 700 strong force in the province.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 04, 2008, 11:16:53 PM
HM King Juan Carlos celebrates his 70th birthday today.

http://www.hola.com/casasreales/2008/01/03/rey-cumple-70/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: dmitri on January 09, 2008, 10:33:21 AM
I always find it sad when major Royals reach such an age as you start to realise that their time left is not necessarily so long. I congratulate the King though for his work and his birthday. He has been a wonderful monarch and so has his consort Queen Sofia.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 10, 2008, 02:37:58 PM
Dinner party at the El Pardo Palace celebrating HM 70th.
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=09-01-2008%20Madrid

courtesy PPE/Radial Press/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 14, 2008, 10:00:56 AM
TM and HM sisters have attended the funeral of HI&RH Prince Pedro Gastaõ of Brazil,uncle to HM,Villamanrique de la Condesa last friday.

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 19, 2008, 01:51:16 PM
Reception for the Corps Diplomatique,Madrid:
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=17-01-2008%20Madrid

courtesy PPE/PB

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on March 24, 2008, 03:50:19 PM
TM,Their children and grandchildren attended Easter Mass,sunday,Palma de Mallorca:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=23-03-2008%20Mallorca

On saturday Queen Sofia took her grandchildren to the Parque del Mar,Mallorca along with her sister,Princess Irene

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=22-03-2008%20Majorica

Dukes of Palma:
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=21-03-2008%20%20Majorica

Courtesy PPE/RadialPress/AC/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on June 20, 2008, 09:06:05 AM
El Rey Don Juan Carlos will attend the EC 2008 match Spain - Italy this sunday,june 22nd.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on June 24, 2008, 11:13:16 AM
Expo 2008 Zaragoza today,Spanish Day,the RF attended:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=24-06-2008%20Zaragoza

Courtesy PPE/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 01, 2008, 09:57:55 AM
TM attended the EC 2008 finale between Spain and Germany in Vienna,Austria:1 / 0 and saw their National Team win a major Cup for the first time since 44 years:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Francoiberian/msg/1214774080.html

courtesy:the posters at the FIRMB. ;D

Albert II and Charlene were there too.

Zarzuela Palace earlyer today:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=01-07-2008%20Madrid

courtesy PPE/RadialPress/DL
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 21, 2008, 04:22:01 AM
The Royal Family has taken up residence at the Marivent Palace,Palma de Mallorca for their summer holidays:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=19-07-2008%20Mallorca

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=20-07-2008%20Mallorca

Courtesy PPE/RadialPress/slv/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 28, 2008, 01:03:59 PM
The Royal Family has taken up residence at the Marivent Palace,Palma de Mallorca for their summer holidays:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=19-07-2008%20Mallorca

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=20-07-2008%20Mallorca

Courtesy PPE/RadialPress/slv/

The annual Breitling Regatta,Palma de Mallorca±
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=26-07-2008%20Mallorca

courtesy PPE/RadialPress/Slv/Ac

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 29, 2008, 05:33:34 AM
Guess who came to dinner...... ::)

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=25-07-2008%20Mallorca

courtesy PPE/RadialPress-
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 11, 2008, 04:09:53 AM
Copa del Rey last week:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=02-08-2008%20Mallorca

A Queen,her grandchildren and turtles?Lots of fun!
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=07-08-2008%20Cabrera

Muy circa two weeks ago:
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=30-07-2008%20Yacht

Courtesy PPE/RadialPress/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 21, 2008, 07:59:52 AM
His Majesty The King and Queen Sofia,who arrived from Beijing,meet with members of the rescue team.Madrid today.
http://www.heraldo.es/index.php/mod.noticias/mem.detalle/idnoticia.21999

Reaction by HRH Infanta Christina at the Casa de Espana,Beijing:
http://www.elmundo.es/jjoo/2008/2008/08/21/espana/1219295616.html




Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on September 12, 2008, 05:26:37 AM
TM attended the Memorial Mass at the Almudena Cathedral,Madrid.
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2008/09/spains-king-and.html

courtesy Royalblog.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on September 24, 2008, 02:12:30 PM
SM el Rey received Ingrid Betancourt at Zarzuela Palace.
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=24-09-2008%20Madrid

courtesy PPE/Radialpress/pjab
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on October 12, 2008, 02:25:16 PM
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=12-10-2008%20Madrid

courtesy PPE/Colourpress/Nieboer.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on October 15, 2008, 10:36:18 AM
The Foreign Minister of beautifull Cuba met with HM Don Juan Carlos at Zarzuela Palace.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2008/10/cuban-fm-meets.html

courtesy HJA´s Royalblog.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 17, 2008, 02:49:03 PM
A new photo book on Queen Sophia is now out, written and illustrated by Ricardo Mateos Javair de Merdano.  ;)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on November 25, 2008, 05:51:20 AM
State Visit from Panama:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=24-11-2008%20Madrid

courtesy PPE/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on November 25, 2008, 05:44:31 PM
Is it true that King Juan Carlos regularly receives mail asking for his help in all sort of situations? I remember that, some years ago, !HOLA! reported the story of an unemployed man who presented the King with a request for help for him and his family, whose unemployment benefits were about to run out.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on December 02, 2008, 02:34:32 AM
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=26-11-2008%20Madrid

courtesy PPE/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on December 21, 2008, 05:31:42 AM
HM Queen Sofia visited wonderfull Syria/Damascus.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2008/12/queen-sofia-on-cultural-visit-to-syria.html

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Luc on January 12, 2009, 11:11:18 AM
Does anyone know anything on a wedding group photo of Sofia's and Juan Carlos' wedding ? I read Queen Ena and ex-queen Marie-Jose of Italy were there too.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Luc on January 13, 2009, 10:39:21 AM
Some of the royals coming down on the stairs, but Marie-Jose isn't on it:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=2359.45
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 15, 2009, 02:40:39 PM
Annual reception for the Corps Diplomatique,Royal Palace Madrid:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=15-01-2009%20Madrid

courtesy PPE/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on February 01, 2009, 03:50:18 PM
TM will pay a visit to the Unites States starting on wednesday february 18th.

The visit will start at Pensacola on occasion of the 450th anniversary of the founding of Pensacola by Tristan de Luna.

http://www.casareal.es/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on February 06, 2009, 11:18:17 PM
With the Vatican number one in a row at home,the Vatican number two visited Spain:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=04-02-2009%20Madrid

courtesy PPE/Radial Press/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on February 09, 2009, 04:32:47 PM
Christina Fernandez de Kirchner,President of Argentina,aka "the botox queen",arrived for a State Visit today:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=09-02-2009%20Madrid

courtesy PPE/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on February 16, 2009, 10:22:22 PM
Do you remember that July of 1969? I was 14 then, and became very intrigued with the fact that a new name was to be eventually added to the list of Kings of Spain and of the ancient kingdoms of what is now Spain.
THE SAN JUAN STAR was not at all respectful. Its editorial page heaped scorn at the idea that, in the time of travels to the Moon, something as antiquated as a monarchy would be restored in Spain. In the opinion of the four footed mammal who brayed that editorial, the monarchy could only represent the 2% of Spaniards who belonged to the nobility. I suppose that means that Obama is not fit to lead the USA because he only represents the comparatively small percentage of Americans who have graduated from Harvard and who practice the profession of attorney.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on February 21, 2009, 01:14:38 AM
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/02/spanish-king-and-queen-visit-pensacola.html

http://www.casareal.es/noticias/news/20090218_viaje_pensacola_miami-ides-idweb.html
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on February 21, 2009, 10:57:59 PM
That jerk cartoonist Bill Maudlin made a characteristically heavy-handed cartoon in which Franco puts a British-style crown on the seated Juan Carlos. Franco was depicted with bloody hands; yeah, right, everybody knows that the ,,republicans'' never shed any blood.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on February 25, 2009, 07:50:26 AM
Ever since I read the book of children's letters to ex-President Hoover I have been fascinated by the letters received and answered by heads of state and government. What kind of letters do JCI and Sofia receive, both from children and adults? I remember reading that many people have written to the King asking for solutions to all sorts of dire problems that they have.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on March 03, 2009, 03:57:53 AM
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c648253ef0112791ae3e428a4-pi

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/03/royal-welcome-for-russian-president.html

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on March 04, 2009, 03:27:22 AM
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=02-03-2009%20Madrid

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=02-03-2009%20Spain

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 12, 2009, 11:26:12 AM
The Royal Family atternded Easter Mass in the Cathedral of Palma de Mallorca.The family stays at the Marivent Palace for the Easter holiday.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=12-04-2009%20Mallorca

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on April 12, 2009, 12:21:27 PM
In Puerto Rico the Infanta Leonor is already widely known as la reinita=the little queen, in reference to the Puerto Rican striped-headed tanager=Spindalis portoricensis, which is the national bird of PR.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 14, 2009, 02:53:44 AM
Assassination attempt by ETA

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/04/eta-plot-to-assasinate-king-juan-carlos.html


courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 27, 2009, 03:22:17 PM
Cena de Gala a Madrid tonight:

http://www.larioja.com/20090427/espana/sarkozy-llega-espana-para-200904270001.html
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 02, 2009, 12:55:29 AM
TM arrived on Mallorca from Madeira where they had been guests of the Portuguese Presidential couple.
Early yesterday evening Queen Sofia and daughters Elena and Christina flew to Greece too attend the baptism
of the fifth child of Crown Prince Pavlos and Marie-Chantal,Prince Aristides.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/08/juan-carlos-and-sofia-welcomed-on-mallorca.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 10, 2009, 03:27:21 AM
HM commented on the last three bomb attacks on Mallorca yesterday.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/08/juan-carlos-terrorists-not-to-rule-mallorca-life-.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on August 13, 2009, 01:26:08 PM
When did you first became aware of Prince Juan Carlos and the fact that he would eventually be King of Spain?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 15, 2009, 02:13:45 AM
When did you first became aware of Prince Juan Carlos and the fact that he would eventually be King of Spain?

I knew about him before but that he would be King,was when Generalissimo Franco proclaimed him as such,decades ago.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Svetabel on August 15, 2009, 02:22:19 AM
Pardon me,but could you please name the topics in English as our Forum is English-speaking by the way? My native is Russian but I even don't imagine to name topics in Russian. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 15, 2009, 02:50:49 AM
Pardon me,but could you please name the topics in English as our Forum is English-speaking by the way? My native is Russian but I even don't imagine to name topics in Russian. Thanks in advance.


It said;"His Royal Highness the Prince of Spain"

Well,you've just learned a little spanish.Thank you for not writing in russian,dear,hardly any of us know how to decipher Cyrillic anyway.
Your temper fitts in with Spain tho..... ::) ;D..now,do try spanish dear,it is mas importante to learn more then your own lingo,snap je wel?

Me?Me gusta espanol,mucho...
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Yseult on August 15, 2009, 04:36:19 AM
When did you first became aware of Prince Juan Carlos and the fact that he would eventually be King of Spain?

I knew about him before but that he would be King,was when Generalissimo Franco proclaimed him as such,decades ago.

Well, I was a very little child when Franco was dead and Juan Carlos was proclaimed king! I suppose it was a great surprise for me: suddenly (from the point of view of a little child...) we had a king and a queen! I know I was thrilled. To the ears of a little girl, the words "king" and "queen" sounds always better than "caudillo and his wife" ;)

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Svetabel on August 15, 2009, 06:49:12 AM
Pardon me,but could you please name the topics in English as our Forum is English-speaking by the way? My native is Russian but I even don't imagine to name topics in Russian. Thanks in advance.


It said;"His Royal Highness the Prince of Spain"

Well,you've just learned a little spanish.Thank you for not writing in russian,dear,hardly any of us know how to decipher Cyrillic anyway.
Your temper fitts in with Spain tho..... ::) ;D..now,do try spanish dear,it is mas importante to learn more then your own lingo,snap je wel?

Me?Me gusta espanol,mucho...

If I want to learn Spanish I'll find other places to learn it. Here's a discussion Forum where we speak English as an international language.Let's all write down everyone its native and we see the chaos on the Forums. It's disrespectful to other members who don't know Spanish or any other language, one can freely change opninions in its native by PMs.

Also please don't call me "dear", it sounds patronizing.

I understand all this is out of topic, so here I am stopping.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 15, 2009, 11:24:29 AM
Pardon me,but could you please name the topics in English as our Forum is English-speaking by the way? My native is Russian but I even don't imagine to name topics in Russian. Thanks in advance.


It said;"His Royal Highness the Prince of Spain"

Well,you've just learned a little spanish.Thank you for not writing in russian,dear,hardly any of us know how to decipher Cyrillic anyway.
Your temper fitts in with Spain tho..... ::) ;D..now,do try spanish dear,it is mas importante to learn more then your own lingo,snap je wel?

Me?Me gusta espanol,mucho...

If I want to learn Spanish I'll find other places to learn it. Here's a discussion Forum where we speak English as an international language.Let's all write down everyone its native and we see the chaos on the Forums. It's disrespectful to other members who don't know Spanish or any other language, one can freely change opninions in its native by PMs.

Also please don't call me "dear", it sounds patronizing.

I understand all this is out of topic, so here I am stopping.

Yes miss,ofcourse miss,bye,miss.....I do hope you find another place yes... ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 15, 2009, 11:33:04 AM
When did you first became aware of Prince Juan Carlos and the fact that he would eventually be King of Spain?

I knew about him before but that he would be King,was when Generalissimo Franco proclaimed him as such,decades ago.

Well, I was a very little child when Franco was dead and Juan Carlos was proclaimed king! I suppose it was a great surprise for me: suddenly (from the point of view of a little child...) we had a king and a queen! I know I was thrilled. To the ears of a little girl, the words "king" and "queen" sounds always better than "caudillo and his wife" ;)



It was very exciting indeed.It wasn't really expected that things would develop as they did,the Monarchy wasn't expected to
survive that long.And quite frankly,Spain didn't know what to expect,the fears of decades of the Caudillo's fascism ruled still,
and it was just little by little that the feeling emerged that this man,Don Juan Carlos,was really in favor of democracy.Decades
of fascism had left its marks on the people.Can't imagine that it was what it was nowadays,but it's a huge change.Incomparable really.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on August 15, 2009, 05:17:59 PM
Infanta Yseult, I understand your excitement. There is magic in the titles KING and QUEEN--a magic that titles such as PRESIDENT and CHAIRMAN will never have.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on August 19, 2009, 06:26:43 PM
How did you like the ceremony of the oath of office? 'tis very common to visualize coronation ceremonies in terms of those depicted in the Ronald Colman and Stewart Granger versions of THE PRISONER OF ZENDA.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on August 19, 2009, 11:44:24 PM
From 1969 onward it was officially declared by Franco that upon his death Juan Carlos would succeed as King.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on August 20, 2009, 05:07:42 PM
Pardon me,but could you please name the topics in English as our Forum is English-speaking by the way? My native is Russian but I even don't imagine to name topics in Russian. Thanks in advance.

Sveta is correct here. In the Welcome New Members section the FA posts many of the rules. The one regarding language is as follows:

"Hi guys. With some many people posting now, in order for the search function to work at its best to find information, we will now ask you to use these standard ENGLISH spellings when posting in the forum UNLESS directly quoting a source.  We know that these words can be spelled differently in other languages, but we want the search to return as many results as possible. So, for example, if you spell "Sergei" as in Russian, the search for "SERGE" in English, it will not be found."

Again, these are the Forum Administrator's rules, not the wishes of any individual moderator.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Vecchiolarry on August 20, 2009, 05:22:06 PM
Hi,

Did Queen Victoria Eugenia live to hear Franco proclaim Prince Juan Carlos as his successor (and indeed King)??
I have heard that at Prince Philip's baptism, she asked Franco which of her three descendands he would pick as King - Juan or Juan Carlos or Philip...
"You have three choices here before you - CHOOOSE!!!"...

She died in 1969, but did she live to find out the answer?
Arturo, you should know the answer to this!

Larry
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on September 02, 2009, 01:25:13 AM
Both boys sport a beard now.HM and HRH at the dinner for the Mallorcan government at the Almudaina Palace
marking the end of the Royal summer holidays,Palma de Mallorca :

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=31-08-2009%20Palma

With PM Zapatero.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on September 05, 2009, 01:41:35 PM
Hi,

Did Queen Victoria Eugenia live to hear Franco proclaim Prince Juan Carlos as his successor (and indeed King)??
I have heard that at Prince Philip's baptism, she asked Franco which of her three descendands he would pick as King - Juan or Juan Carlos or Philip...
"You have three choices here before you - CHOOOSE!!!"...

She died in 1969, but did she live to find out the answer?
Arturo, you should know the answer to this!

Larry
Surely the Caudillo had a reply; it would have been most discorteous to ignore a direct question from the Queen Dowager.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eurohistory on September 05, 2009, 08:26:54 PM
In fact, and according to Spanish monarchists, beginning with the late Count of Barcelona, don Juan Carlos was Prince of Asturias from 1941 to his accession in 1975. The wedding invitations listed Juan Carlos as such.

However, Juan Carlos and Sophie used the title Prince and Princess of Spain from 1969 onward.

Arturo Beeche

(always a supporter of don Juan until his resignation as Head of House...although I was delighted with the monarchy being restored on Juan Carlos, who has done a great job as King!).
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on September 24, 2009, 10:29:34 AM
TM received collegue King Carl XVI Gustav:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=23-09-2009%20Spain

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on October 06, 2009, 03:55:17 AM
HM receiving the Credentials of various ambassadors:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=05-10-2009%20Madrid

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on October 11, 2009, 12:13:05 AM
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=08-10-2009%20Madrid

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on October 11, 2009, 04:03:15 PM
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/10/queen-sofia-in-greece-for-miro-exhibit.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on October 12, 2009, 10:23:47 AM
National Day in Spain:Madrid today:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=12-10-2009%20Madrid

courtesy ppe

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/10/king-juan-carlos-gets-rid-of-his-beard.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on October 16, 2009, 01:43:31 AM
Madrid wednesday:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=14-10-2009%20Madrid

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on October 22, 2009, 06:15:50 AM
State Visit from the Lebanon:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=19-10-2009%20Spain

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 22, 2009, 09:59:49 AM
Young Sofia with her sister Irene

(http://i34.tinypic.com/2resio1.jpg)

With Pavlos and Frederica

(http://i33.tinypic.com/11bhv10.jpg)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 05, 2010, 10:35:11 AM
HM Don Juan Carlos celebrates his 72nd birthday today!!Viva El Rey!!
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 11, 2010, 10:19:44 AM
HM King Juan Carlos received Credentials of TE the ambassadors of:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=11-01-2010%20Madrid

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 20, 2010, 01:05:29 AM
Reception for the Corps Diplomatique:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=14-01-2010%20Madrid

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 27, 2010, 11:14:02 PM
TM received King Abdullah of Jordan at the Zarzuela Palace.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=27-01-2010%20Madrid

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on February 11, 2010, 02:31:25 AM
TM arrived for a official visit in The Lebanon:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/02/spanish-royal-couple-welcomed-in-lebanon.html

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/02/juan-carlos-reviews-spains-peacekeepers.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on May 08, 2010, 10:22:30 AM
HM Don Juan Carlos underwent a 2 hour lung surgery at a clinic in Barcelona:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/05/lung-surgery-for-spains-king-juan-carlos.html
courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: An Ard Rí on May 10, 2010, 05:13:40 AM
The Prince & Princess of Asturias visit the King in Barcelona

Zimbio Gallery
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/M-Mg3A64kUL/Royals+Personalities+Visit+Spanish+King+Juan
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on May 10, 2010, 11:40:55 PM
The Prince & Princess of Asturias visit the King in Barcelona

Zimbio Gallery
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/M-Mg3A64kUL/Royals+Personalities+Visit+Spanish+King+Juan

As did Inaki and Princess Christina.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/05/prince-felipe-father-is-recovering-well.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on May 24, 2010, 02:15:10 PM
HM The King had his first appaerance after he was discharged from hospital after lung surgery this past week.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=24-05-2010

courtesy ppe

Los Principes de Asturias stood in for TM at several functions this past week:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/05/felipe-letizia-stand-in-for-king-and-queen-.html

courtesy hja

I hope HM health continues to improve.

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 06, 2010, 04:05:31 PM
HM Queen Sofia will attend the halve final Spain - Germany tomorrow evening,wednesday july 7th./
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 07, 2010, 03:41:09 PM
HM Queen Sofia will attend the halve final Spain - Germany tomorrow evening,wednesday july 7th./

The presence of HM Oueen Sofia has brought good luck to the Iberian team...Spain won the match.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 07, 2010, 04:44:40 PM
HM Queen Sofia will attend the halve final Spain - Germany tomorrow evening,wednesday july 7th./

The presence of HM Oueen Sofia has brought good luck to the Iberian team...Spain won the match.

Felicidades Espana,final de Copa del Mundo a primera vez!!

HM Queen Sofia has indicated she will remain in South Africa till sunday,
HM did so ahead of tonights game in Durban Spain - Germany,she must be clairvoyant.... ;D
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 08, 2010, 10:34:19 AM
We leave ´m in that state of mind till sunday..... ;D...

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/07/queen-sofia-supporting-spain-in-durban.html

courtesy hja :D
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Yseult on July 08, 2010, 01:52:04 PM
Felicidades Espana,final de Copa del Mundo a primera vez!!

HM Queen Sofia has indicated she will remain in South Africa till sunday,
HM did so ahead of tonights game in Durban Spain - Germany,she must be clairvoyant.... ;D

Gracias, Lucien (Thank you!).

Sofia is a great supporter to "La Roja" but I would be very very pleased if our king could be next sunday there...I think we are sincerely worried about Juan Carlos and we wish to see him again supporting the team to win the Cup ;)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 08, 2010, 04:18:05 PM
Felicidades Espana,final de Copa del Mundo a primera vez!!

HM Queen Sofia has indicated she will remain in South Africa till sunday,
HM did so ahead of tonights game in Durban Spain - Germany,she must be clairvoyant.... ;D

Gracias, Lucien (Thank you!).

Sofia is a great supporter to "La Roja" but I would be very very pleased if our king could be next sunday there...I think we are sincerely worried about Juan Carlos and we wish to see him again supporting the team to win the Cup ;)


El Principe de Asturias will be in attendance as well,not HM Don Juan Carlos.
 :)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Rani on July 11, 2010, 08:54:23 AM
I´m really excited. Both countries would deserve it. Either you will see Sofia shake Pujols hand again (when he is just dressed with a blanket, that was so funny!) or Maxima and Willem jump glad to the soccer players. :)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 11, 2010, 10:35:58 AM
I´m really excited. Both countries would deserve it. Either you will see Sofia shake Pujols hand again (when he is just dressed with a blanket, that was so funny!) or Maxima and Willem jump glad to the soccer players. :)

Hope the same Rani,que sera sera... ;)...you're pro-dutch tonight oder?... ;D

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/07/finale.html

courtesy hja :D
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 12, 2010, 04:46:21 AM
Some photos from the World Cup Final match, Courtesy of ANP - Algemeen Nederlands Persbureau:

Fifa World Cup - South Africa 2010 - Soccer World Cup FINAL match, between NETHERLANDS (NED) and SPAIN (ESP), at Soccer City Stadium, in Johannesburg, South Africa. July 11, 2010, Here Prince WILLIAMS and MAXIMA from Netherlands embrace before the match, with Princes FELIPE and LETIZIA and Queen SOFIA from Spain.

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=13136645&pos=2

Dutch Crown Prince Willem Alexander, Spain's Queen Sofia, Spanish Crown Prince Felipe and his wife, Princess Letizia during the FIFA World Cup 2010 Final match between the Netherlands and Spain at the Soccer City stadium outside Johannesburg, South Africa

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=13132991&pos=8

Prince Felipe from Spain celebrating the victory of his National Team

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=13136625&pos=4

Crown Prince Felipe and HM Queen Sofia of Spain

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=2&ShowPicture=13133216&pos=14

Queen Sofia of Spain, Prince Willem of Netherlands, Prince Felipe and Princess Letizia of Spain listen the National Anthems

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=2&ShowPicture=13133224&pos=15
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 12, 2010, 04:54:37 AM
Felicidades a Espana!! :)

Queen Sofia and Los Principes de Asturias as well as The Prince of Orange and Princess Máxima were in attendance:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=11-07-2010%20Johannesburg

courtesy ppe

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/07/spain-and-holland-royals-no-prophets.html

courtesy hja  :) ;D

The Spanish team arrived at Barajas international and will be received by the entire Spanish Royal Family this
afternoon and tonight there's a tour through the streets of Madrid y gran fiesta's no doubt!!

The dutch team will arrive here this afternoon and will be received by HM Queen Beatrix tomorrow
morning and they will be celebrated by over a million and they will also have a canal tour hosted by the municipality of Amsterdam.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Yseult on July 12, 2010, 10:39:02 AM
Felicidades a Espana!! :)


The Spanish team arrived at Barajas international and will be received by the entire Spanish Royal Family this
afternoon and tonight there's a tour through the streets of Madrid y gran fiesta's no doubt!!



Gracias, Lucien ;)

Gran fiesta, of course! We´re very happy people today! Hope Netherlands will have another chance to take the great cup ;)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 12, 2010, 01:14:17 PM
Felicidades a Espana!! :)


The Spanish team arrived at Barajas international and will be received by the entire Spanish Royal Family this
afternoon and tonight there's a tour through the streets of Madrid y gran fiesta's no doubt!!



Gracias, Lucien ;)

Gran fiesta, of course! We´re very happy people today! Hope Netherlands will have another chance to take the great cup ;)

Palacio Real Madrid esta tarde a las cinco:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=12-07-2010%20Madrid

courtesy ppe :) ;D
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 13, 2010, 01:06:10 AM
Felicidades a Espana!! :)


The Spanish team arrived at Barajas international and will be received by the entire Spanish Royal Family this
afternoon and tonight there's a tour through the streets of Madrid y gran fiesta's no doubt!!



Gracias, Lucien ;)

Gran fiesta, of course! We´re very happy people today! Hope Netherlands will have another chance to take the great cup ;)

Palacio Real Madrid esta tarde a las cinco:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=12-07-2010%20Madrid

courtesy ppe :) ;D

Marvilloso:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/photos/royals_vancouver_winter_o/index.html

courtesy hja :)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on July 19, 2010, 09:55:49 PM
Has anybody ever considered how lucky the Spanish monarchy has been in regards to enemies? Without exception, its foes have always turned out to be either fools, or knaves, or both.
If the First Sp Republic had had a Gambetta, it would have at least lasted longer than barely two years; if the Second Republic had had a Kemal Ataturk or a Pilsudski, it might have won the 1936-39 War; instead, to quote TIME in its article about the proclamation of the 2d Republic, that regime--and, for that matter, also the previous one--had leaders of only ,,moderate'' ability--in other words, mediocrities and nonentities; 'tis the monarchists who always seem to have the big brains.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 27, 2010, 02:04:22 AM
Who cares about Republics......None here I'm sure.....and fortunately they lost...... ;D

TM attended payed tribute to Spains Patron Saint at Santiago de Compostella,
the second time the King left Madrid after his lung surgery last May.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/07/juan-carlos-and-sofia-honour-spains-saint.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 31, 2010, 08:51:07 AM
HM will not sail any of the tradional annual races this summer during the summer holiday at Palme de Mallorca's
summer residence of Marivent.The sailing is considered too much of a strain for the King who underwent lung
surgery a few months ago.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/07/king-juan-carlos-will-not-sail-in-mallorca.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 03, 2010, 11:03:46 AM
Palma de Mallorca,Copa del Rey:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/08/queen-sofia-takes-to-sea-to-support-felipe.html

courtesy hja

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=02-08-2010%20Copa

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 06, 2010, 02:57:38 PM
HM King Juan Carlos finally arrived in Palma de Mallorca today amidst speculation on his health.
HM underwent surgery a few months ago while he had his medical exams a month prior to
that and all was said to be well then.Then came the lung surgery a few weeks later.Now it is
the third time since the surgery HM left Madrid amidst speculation he has received chemo therapy
over the last period of time.The annual photo-shoot with the entire family has been cancelled
while Queen Sofia and los Principes de Asturias were photographed in abundance over the last few days.
Also,his doctors denied the King to go sailing as that would be too much of a strain for the Monarch.
Spain is worried.And so am I.How odd,two men,once rivals now at peace both suffering of ill health
simultaniously,Don Juan Carlos in Palma and Don Carlos Hugo in Barcelona.Please include both in your
thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 08, 2010, 04:01:26 AM
Los Reyes attended the hand-out of the Copa del Rey at the marina,Palma de Mallorca.
Even heavy make-up can not conceal a teary-eyed Queen Sofia.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=07-08-2010%20king

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 08, 2010, 10:06:17 AM
TM received First Lady Michelle Obama and daughter Sasha for lunch at the Marivent Palace,Palma de Mallorca today:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/08/royal-lunch-for-michelle-obama-in-spain.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 09, 2010, 03:44:21 AM
TM received First Lady Michelle Obama and daughter Sasha for lunch at the Marivent Palace,Palma de Mallorca today:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/08/royal-lunch-for-michelle-obama-in-spain.html

courtesy hja

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=08-08-2010%20Mallorca

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on November 08, 2010, 03:07:40 AM
TM attended the Consecration of the Basilica de Sagrada Familia,Barcelona on sunday by HH Pope Benedict XVI.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=07-11-2010%20Pope

courtesy PPE
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on December 28, 2010, 03:56:08 AM
TM and the RF attended a ceremony at the Royal Palace,Madrid to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the birth of the King's mother,
Maria de Las Mercedes de Borbon y Orleans.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=23-12-2010%20Commemorate

courtesy PPE

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on December 30, 2010, 12:16:35 AM
HM Christmas speech from La Zarzuela Palace:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hydwcwVbUo0&feature=player_embedded

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on December 31, 2010, 02:21:37 AM
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/photos/spain_spanje/index.html

courtesy HJA
 :)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 05, 2011, 07:09:09 AM
El Rey Don Juan Carlos turns 73 today!Viva El Rey!!

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2011/01/king-juan-carlos-marks-73rd-birthday.html

Courtesy HJA
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 19, 2011, 10:58:10 PM
New Year reception at the Palacio Real,Madrid:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=18-01-2011%20Madrid

courtesy ppe

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on February 26, 2011, 05:11:53 AM
TM are on a two day visit to Russia:

http://news.kremlin.ru/video/740

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on March 24, 2011, 12:37:22 PM
Queen Sofia was back in Greece for a short visit:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2011/03/queen-sofia-back-home-for-a-day.html

courtesy HJA

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on March 29, 2011, 08:16:33 AM

Too cute!!

HM made a visit to the panda bear breeding and nursing station,and Po and Dede,at the Zoo in Madrid:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=29-03-2011%20Madrid

courtesy PPE
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Rani on March 29, 2011, 05:04:41 PM
http://www.ppe-agency.com/preview.php?start=0&id=59920&zoektype=2&search=29-03-2011%20Madrid

Aww...
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 24, 2011, 09:55:07 PM
The RF celebrates Easter at Palma de Mallorca and attended Holy Mass at the Cathedral in Palma:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=24-04-2011%20Mallorca

courtesy PPE

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 25, 2011, 05:31:25 AM
The RF celebrates Easter at Palma de Mallorca and attended Holy Mass at the Cathedral in Palma:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=24-04-2011%20Mallorca

courtesy PPE



HM The King wasn't present at the Cathedral,reason for the Court to issue a statement;" no need to worry".
HM Queen Sofia and her sister Irene have been on the island for a while now.Another absentee at the Cathedral,
and strange given the fact Mass at Palma is a tradition for decades for ALL members,but Inaka and the
children were also missing out.Wonder.... :-X
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 26, 2011, 03:29:36 AM
On monday all were back in Madrid to receive HRH The Emir of Qatar and a stunning Sheika Mozah:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=25-04-2011%20Palace

Followed by a State Banquet at the Palacio Real,Madrid last night:

Again,a stunning Sheika Mozah,and Antonio Banderas with Melanie Griffith in attendance as well:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=25-04-2011%20Madrid

courtesy PPE

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on May 13, 2011, 01:11:03 AM
On the death of "Seve"

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2011/05/spanish-royals-share-grief-over-ballesteros.html

Also:

Members of the family will visit Lorca,the south eastern city that was hit by an earthquake on wednesday
killing at least 10.The region has minor quakes constantly but wasn't up to the 5,5 quake and many buildings
in the city collapsed.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on June 04, 2011, 10:40:40 AM

HM King Juan Carlos underwent a knee replacement operation in Madrid this afternoon.
HM is doing fine.Gracias a Dios!
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 02, 2011, 10:05:46 AM
The King received US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in audience at noon.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=02-07-2011%20Madrid

courtesy ppe

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 02, 2011, 01:43:17 AM
The Spanish Royal Family traditionally starts the summer with the Copa del Rey of the coast of Palma de Mallorca,where the family gathered at the Palacio Marivent.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=01-08-2011%20Mallorca

courtesy PPE


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 19, 2011, 12:57:17 AM
TM Don Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia welcomed HH Pope Benedict XVI on his arrival in Madrid yesterday.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=18-08-2011%20Madrid

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on August 19, 2011, 07:43:43 AM
TM Don Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia welcomed HH Pope Benedict XVI on his arrival in Madrid yesterday.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=18-08-2011%20Madrid

courtesy ppe

Today the Pontiff made a private visit to TM residence Zarzuela Palace:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=19-08-2011%20Madrid

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on September 06, 2011, 01:27:20 AM
HM King Don Juan Carlos was hospitalized again for surgery:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2011/09/king-juan-carlos-has-surgery.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on November 26, 2011, 01:22:23 AM

El Rey after a "domestic accident" on thursday....It's more a case of El Rey con el Bullseye..... ::)
La Reina Sophia isn't looking that happy at all..HM health issues are taking their toll I'm afraid..

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=24-11-2011%20Madrid

Courtesy PPE

The Asturias couple wasn't in attendance as they were abroad,one would have noticed the Prince allright,but the Princess
seems to glide down the road of anorexia deeper and deeper....not suited...and doing nothing to improve...a very
unhappy situation arose...I do hope she will find the guts to kick herself in the behind...she could have said NO..but
she didn't...este chica complexa....And she can't blame it all on " the Court"  either...It would grace her to do a "Victoria"
and be frank and open about the anorexia bit and thus earn sympathy and respect for herself and the House..But no,noting yet.
..Sad,really sad...

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on December 08, 2011, 04:43:14 AM


TM attended the Gala of the Russian Ballet at the Teatro Real,Madrdid with Russian Deputy PM Alexander Zhukov and wife:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=05-12-2011%20Madrid

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on December 08, 2011, 02:18:28 PM
The Casa del Rey has had to deny rumours that the King´s daughters Cristina and Elena were no longer to be considered members of the Royal Family.  These rumours emerged when the Infantas´workloads were reduced and the King commented that the future Royal Family would be closer to the "trunk" of the Prince of Asturias´family.  Some think it was an attempt to distance the monarchy from the scandal currently surrounding Infanta Crisitina´s husband Iñaki Undagarin...
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on December 13, 2011, 10:24:50 PM
Los Reyes yesterday:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=13-12-2011%20Library

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=13-12-2011%20Madrid

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on December 17, 2011, 08:20:27 AM

Merry Christmas from Madrid:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=17-12-2011%20Madrid

courtesy PPE
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 05, 2012, 09:39:51 AM

El Rey Don Juan Carlos celebrates his 74th birthday today.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on January 16, 2012, 01:11:02 PM

HM King Juan Carlos bestowed the Toison d'Or to French President Nicolas sarkozy in a ceremony at the Palacio Real,Madrid today.
TM King Constantine of Greece and King Simeon of Bulgaria were in attendance.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=16-01-2012%20Fleece

courtesy PPE


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on March 18, 2012, 12:00:28 PM
Does the King receive a lot of requests for help regarding particular emergencies? !HOLA! has often reported about people who, not having been helped through the customary govt channels, appeal directly to the king to intercede in their behalf.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on March 27, 2012, 11:45:47 AM
Perhaps I have asked this question before, but I don't think I received a satisfactory response, so I'm asking it again:
what did you expect on 22 November 1975?
'twas no secret that, when JCI came to power, many were eagerly salivating for a Spanish Civil War II. Miche Medina, cartoonist of EL MUNDO of Puerto Rico, drew a cartoon that showed a bull reading the news of Juan Carlos' enthronement while smiling a very malevolent leer. 36 years, 4 months and 5 days later, I have yet to hear from any of those ghouls any admission that they were totally wrong about His Catholic Majesty and modern Spain.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 09, 2012, 04:33:41 AM

Easter at Palma de Mallorca:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=08-04-2012%20Mallorca

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 14, 2012, 06:01:33 AM
So,Juanito thought he could go off on a Eliphant hunt in Botswana.....Tough luck!!
No,the eliphants didn't shoot back,but the King trippled,fell over and broke his hip in three places!!
Easy does it when you suffer from osteoporoses like he does,it's peanuts to break something,now he knows.

Bingo Juanito,that will teach you!How dare you hunt for eliphants while there's a ban on that!!!
Even for Kings.Except in backward Botswana ofcourse....Not!..He was immediatly flown home to Madrid and
was stuffed with a artificial hip.He won't be able to work for the next six weeks!De verdad,what a family.
I'm soo not sorry for this man! :-X >:(
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 14, 2012, 06:51:58 AM
 I agree with you Lucien.  I have no clue why he was hunting elephants. Very selfish unless there is something we do not know about this affair.
 Also, in the same BBC article, it was reported that his grandson shot himself in a gun accident. That must have brought some memories back.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 14, 2012, 07:20:37 AM
I agree with you Lucien.  I have no clue why he was hunting elephants. Very selfish unless there is something we do not know about this affair.
 Also, in the same BBC article, it was reported that his grandson shot himself in a gun accident. That must have brought some memories back.

Yes,to where he accidently shot his brother decades ago.I mentioned Froilans mischieve in the Jaime and Elena thread
a few days ago.Great year for the Spanish RF,a son-in-law,Inaki,up to his neck in a fraude scandal that has him banned from all
events involving the other members of the RF by decree of El Rey,a grandson that shoots himself in the foot while he's not yet
of the legal age to even hold a gun,and now an old goat persuing his "spare-head" on a so-called eliphant hunt that back-fired and
munched him in the butt...All womanizers know you shouldn't call ladies eliphants,not even partially and least of all where it counts most..

Poor Queen Sophie,who was in Greece for the Orthodox Easter celebrations this weekend flew back home to Madrid to sit by her husband... ::)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17712841

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 14, 2012, 07:34:26 AM
I do have sympathy for the Queen.  She has indeed put up  with a lot from  the King and his family. I lost track of Inaki.   Such a  grand rival of the Spanish monarchy come to this... Sad.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Brassov on April 14, 2012, 09:30:28 AM
Well, I have just gone off King Juan Carlos of Spain....big time !!!  I have a huge problem with people who shoot defenceless animals for fun, even if he is the very trigger happy King of Spain. He should be setting an example. So I have no sympathy for him or his broken hip. Perhaps he should have stayed in Spain to help sort out the many problems in his own country instead of galivanting around shooting protected animals. The man is a &@#%*.

And another thing. Botswana is not a "backward" country just because it is in Africa. It has a lower crime rate per capita than the USA, and most "civilized" countries in Europe. It also has the lowest crime rate in Africa, and is one of the few countries in Africa that works.  I can think of many countries in Europe and elsewhere who right now, through their own idiocy, have become "backward".


   
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 14, 2012, 09:44:08 AM
If I am correct, Brassov, Botswana  has also been in the progressive forefront in combating AIDS in it's own population. That cannot be said of many sub Saharan African countries.
 As for King JC, so much for his "reputation" What a horrid example.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Brassov on April 14, 2012, 03:13:06 PM
Yes, thank you. You are completely correct. The government of Botswana quietly go about their own business and are proactive in many areas to improve the way of life of their own people, and as far as I am concerned, set a very good example to many other African countries. ( Think Zimbabwe et. al. )
I cannot understand though why they allowed entry to HM King Juan Carlos, who is the head of state of a supposedly "civilised" European country, to shoot their protected animals. Not only is it barbaric, cruel and insensitive, it is also irresponsible and a bad reflection of Spain. I have always been horrified by the national blood sport of Spain, as are most cicvilised people, but perhaps HM should put on his tights and get his geriatric butt into a bullring in his own country and see how far he gets. Probably a lot worse than a broken hip.

My apologies if I seem to be going over the top, but I am incensed, and I think he should apologise publicly for his arrogance and cruelty to animals. He aught to be ashamed of himself.
   
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 14, 2012, 03:22:51 PM
Although this was called a "private" visit  so what, he went to kill animals. I took his picture down from my gallery. It goes in a very dark closet. Such an exemplar of "modern" monarchy behaves like  the older days when his privileges were unchallenged.
 I do not wish the man ill, but he has certainly lost  any respect I might have had for him.
 As for the national sport, it is futball now.  Support for the ring is dwindling and even being banned, as I understand it in some areas.
 
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 14, 2012, 03:32:19 PM
Yes, thank you. You are completely correct. The government of Botswana quietly go about their own business and are proactive in many areas to improve the way of life of their own people, and as far as I am concerned, set a very good example to many other African countries. ( Think Zimbabwe et. al. )
I cannot understand though why they allowed entry to HM King Juan Carlos, who is the head of state of a supposedly "civilised" European country, to shoot their protected animals. Not only is it barbaric, cruel and insensitive, it is also irresponsible and a bad reflection of Spain. I have always been horrified by the national blood sport of Spain, as are most cicvilised people, but perhaps HM should put on his tights and get his geriatric butt into a bullring in his own country and see how far he gets. Probably a lot worse than a broken hip.

My apologies if I seem to be going over the top, but I am incensed, and I think he should apologise publicly for his arrogance and cruelty to animals. He aught to be ashamed of himself.
    

I agree with you Brassov,syllable by syllable!

He spiraled down from the absolute champion of democracy into a degenerate fart out of touch
and the reason of much Queen Sophie has to put up with.Really...
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Suzanne on April 15, 2012, 02:37:48 PM
The recent hunting accidents suffered by the Spanish royal family and the history of royals on the hunt

http://www.royalhistorian.com/king-juan-carlos-of-spain-and-the-history-of-royalty-on-the-hunt/
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 16, 2012, 01:52:12 AM

The King is under huge flack,and rightfully so:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2012/04/king-juan-carlos-under-fire.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 17, 2012, 04:47:41 AM
Juanito's eliphant song is all over Spain:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2012/04/king-juan-carlos-in-the-dock.html


courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Brassov on April 17, 2012, 02:48:16 PM
I dont know how anyone in his position could make such a dumb public relations mistake at a time like this. Does the man not have advisors ?
Has he not learnt anything from history, and after all the years of struggle to rehabilitate the Spanish Royal family ? Makes me wonder how comitted he really is to his country and the wellbeing of his countrymen. I think he must be an embarrasment to his long suffering wife !
Is he related to Marie Antoinette ? Yes he must be. In his case actions speak louder than words.   
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 17, 2012, 03:05:13 PM
He is a huge disappointment to me. But it is up to the Spanish people to decide what to do with him. It is to be hoped that CP Felipe can rescue the reputation of the monarchy.
 I have never seen such an insensitive display of arrogance in a modern monarchy. Even Prince Phillip just makes a fool out of himself, does no real damage.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Vecchiolarry on April 17, 2012, 11:47:53 PM
Hi,

Why didn't he shoot elephants and other animals with a CAMERA...  That way there is sport and adventure and the animals are still alive for someone else to PHOTOGRAPH them..........

Also, why are guns not locked up so stupid little undisciplined princes cannot get hold of them and shoot themselves.  He's lucky only his foot got shot...

Larry
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 18, 2012, 02:13:07 AM
Hi,

Why didn't he shoot elephants and other animals with a CAMERA...  That way there is sport and adventure and the animals are still alive for someone else to PHOTOGRAPH them..........

Also, why are guns not locked up so stupid little undisciplined princes cannot get hold of them and shoot themselves.  He's lucky only his foot got shot...

Larry

Froilan is not a Prince,just Froilan,and he's the son of his father Larry...

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 18, 2012, 10:53:14 AM
Understandable. I had never even heard of him before, no idea who he is. I assume the son of one of the Infantas ?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Vanya Ivanova on April 18, 2012, 11:26:00 AM

I have to say I'm amazed that forum members are surprised that the King of Spain would shoot Elephants for recreation!

Firstly, he's Spanish, a country where animal rights are unheard of and secondly bloodspots are still very much a fundemental cultural rite of the ruling/upper classes.

My father's family are Scots landowners and still enjoy nothing better than a stag hunt. In my defense all I can say is I'm now a vegetarian but I was brought up with blood sports and in those circles its still seen as perfectly normal to go around shooting defenseless animals for fun.

I think many royalty fans are completely taken in with the PR and fail to grasp just how 'medieval' ( ie deeply deeply arrogant and rightwing ) these people really are.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on April 18, 2012, 11:57:14 AM
Understandable. I had never even heard of him before, no idea who he is. I assume the son of one of the Infantas ?

  You are correct, Robert. To give the shortened version of his name, Don Felipe de Marichalar de Borbon is the son of the King's eldest daughter, HRH Infanta Elena, Duchess of Lugo. I believe that he attended school in England a year or so ago.  And Lucien is likewise correct: Don Felipe is not a HRH, but a HE (His Excellency).  
  As to how the somewhat unusual name "Froilan" fits into the picture:  It is indeed one of his names, after the name of the patron saint of Lugo.  Basicly the newsreporting use it to distinguish him from his uncle, the Prince of the Asturias, etc.  He is not called such within the Family.     Regards,  AP.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 18, 2012, 12:21:27 PM
The king did apologise today, but I think it is a bit late for that.
  As for blood sports and right wing royals. It is my understanding that bull fighting is rapidly loosing popularity. Some countries do not kill the animal, I think Portugal and Mexico. I could be mistaken but this is from memory of an article I read some time ago.
  I am against it, but the stag hunt is a bit different than hunting wild elephants.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Vecchiolarry on April 18, 2012, 02:53:10 PM
Hi,

I still say "Use a camera!!"........
One can still staulk their animals, be it elephants or stags, and just take a picture....  The thrill of the hunt is still there and nobody's hurt...
Bull fighting is barbaric - I once saw one, as a boy in the 50's, and was sick for 3 days...  Revolting....

I did not know that Froilan was not a prince - he and the parents are just stupid, no matter what title they have....

Larry
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 18, 2012, 03:26:26 PM
And, he is not all that excellent if he shoots himself in the foot.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Vanya Ivanova on April 19, 2012, 04:06:01 AM

I must apologise if my last post caused any offence, that is never my intention.

Of course its utterly deplorable that King Juan Carlos felt it was ok to hunt an endangered species, ( this is what I meant by 'medieval etc') and this seems to have appalled the Spanish as much as anybody else. However my understanding of his public apology had more to do with taking an expensive holiday at a time when most of his subjects are suffering acute financial hardship.

Hunting is an integral part of good estate management as many animals no longer have their natural predators. Its also a major part of mainstream culture in countries such as the United States and Canada. If its done responsibly and respectfully it can actually be a good thing. Then there is all the tradition and history that goes with it that shouldn't be lightly dismissed.

However for me there is a distinction between hunting and blood sports. I can understand that the deer/fox populations need to be kept in check etc but for me Stag hunting is not part of this as the hunted stag is always the deposed alpa male who is eeking out a living away from the new alpha male's herd. He is chased for several days by the dogs until he literally drops with exhaustion and stress. Its horrible and whilst of course I love my family I cannot share in their enjoyment of it, they see me as something of an eccentric and a traitor for my views.

I'm a vegetarian but this is entirely a reaction against the 'factory farming' of animals which is far, far, more cruel than hunting. Most people eat meat but are completely removed from the process of its production/cultivation. Of course 'Bullfighting' has nothing to do with either estate management or food production and so in my opinion is barbaric.

Whilst the King of Spain has shown himself to be arrogant and dispicable on a personal level, it shouldn't diminish his legacy of safe guarding Spain's peaceful transition to democracy. At the end of the day there's good and bad in everyone. My original point was that the elite are prone to a loss of perspective that they are beyond reproach as King Juan Carlos has just demonstrated.

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 19, 2012, 06:06:58 AM
Understandable. I had never even heard of him before, no idea who he is. I assume the son of one of the Infantas ?

He is Infanta Elena's son from Jaime de marichalar,her former husband.

Bad boy Juanito's mea culpa:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=18-04-2012%20Hospital

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on April 27, 2012, 05:04:29 AM
The King was taken to hospital again where he had emergency surgery last night to reduce the dislocation of his right hip after he tripled at the Palace during an Audience yesterday.HM was discharged again this morning.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on April 27, 2012, 02:28:58 PM
He really doesn´t seem to be very well at all.  The resemblance between him and his forebearer Carlos III in old age is astonishing.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on May 12, 2012, 08:00:15 AM
The news is that this couple is now completely estranged and that they haven´t shared the same bedroom for almost 35 years.  The King has apparently bedded 1000 + women over his lifetime.  The Queen it is said is more often in London or Greece than Madrid...
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Brassov on May 13, 2012, 06:59:12 AM
This sounds like gossip to me, if things are so bad the press would have latched on long ago.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Kalafrana on May 13, 2012, 12:44:33 PM
I'm inclined to think that if King Juan Carlos really has slept with 1,000 women, he -  and they - have been remarkably discreet.

Ann
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 13, 2012, 02:13:47 PM
The press has known all along, I am sure. Just that they have not used or exposed  the situtaiion  has been up to their discretion,. Same as in Sweden. Well, other countries as well.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on May 14, 2012, 12:16:15 AM
Up until recently the press has not touched the Royal Family, nor entered into commentary which could be anything other than flattering.  This have changed of late via the pecadillos of the Duke of Palma etc...  The Royal Family are now seen as fair game.  This story has been doing the rounds for a long time - this is the first time that the press has really entered into any detail on this particular matter.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Kalafrana on May 14, 2012, 01:21:19 AM
The Spanish press is one thing, but what about the press elsewhere?

Ann
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on May 14, 2012, 07:37:34 AM
Up until recently the press has not touched the Royal Family, nor entered into commentary which could be anything other than flattering.  This have changed of late via the pecadillos of the Duke of Palma etc...  The Royal Family are now seen as fair game.  This story has been doing the rounds for a long time - this is the first time that the press has really entered into any detail on this particular matter.

Darius is right a few posts back,no rumours,but a reality bite since years.

On the marriage,arranged for the full 1000% by the ever megalo Queen Frederike,what does one expect!?
It was the last of the grand and loveless arranged marriages.It has long ended to be a marriage in any sense
except they have three children.An array of bedfilling has since then passed,the tart with the smart SWB name
finally broke him,or rather his hip,and the written diarrhea of syllables in papers hasn't stopped since.The papers lash out.
Gone is all the respect.

That,and the fact it becomes more and more clear the King is closer to the NOOS scandal "starring" Inaki then he'd liked all to know too,
it appears he himself is involved.Great,just what the spanish Monarchy needed,besides an Abdication of what has become the risée of the land.
How truly sad.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on May 14, 2012, 02:51:50 PM
The King has made it clear that he won´t abdicate however the NOOS scandal may yet implicate him further and perhaps to save the Monarchy it may be a necessary evil that he remove himself from the scene.  Will it be possible to convert the Juan Carlistas to Felipistas?  A difficult job I think.  The Monarchy isn´t seen to be in touch with the people at any level.  They are not loved or held in high esteem by the people as is the case in the UK.  It would be a shame that Juan Carlos´legacy will be NOOS and elephant hunting when the contribution he made to democracy and political stability in Spain, particularly on 20-N, 23-F and 11-M are outstanding.
As the King and Queen should be celebrating their Golden Wedding Anninversary there is no public celebration in Spain (nor a private one according to the press).  The Queen it appears apart from her estrangement from the King is also in a difficult stage in her relationship with her children. 
A sad end for this last great dynastic marriage.  The shadow of Victoria Eugenie, another princess who gave up her religion to marry a Borbon King and suffered a loveless and painful marriage must loom heavily over Sofia at times.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 14, 2012, 03:10:19 PM
Very well put Darius. I remember well the hope and future he embodied after Franco.
 It is indeed sad, if this is the ending of another great dynasty. I am obviously not Spanish but I thought Felipe was popular, Am I incorrect in this ?
 Unless I pick up El Mundo, I see very little of the Spanish royal family.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on May 14, 2012, 03:53:35 PM
Felipe is neither popular nor unpopular.  As I mentioned before this family is neither loved nor loathed.  Having lived in Spain for a decade the impression I get is of a people with a strong republican mindset who stuck with Juan Carlos as he was seen as a guarantee of continued democratic progress and prosperity.  I have never sensed a great sense of loyalty to the Crown.  Today, almost 40 years after Franco´s death and with a robust parliamentary democracy I think Spain would lose the Borbones without shedding a tear. 
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on May 14, 2012, 04:04:15 PM
To expand a little on my previous post, the Spanish have no real historic collective memory of Monarchy.  Comparing them to their Windsor cousins, there is no collective public memory of George V leading his nation to the Great War, to the drama of the abdication, Queen Elizabeth looking the east end in the face or of a Princess climbing a tree in Africa and descending a Queen whic while anecdotal do bind the British public despite their grouching to the Monarchy.  Juan Carlos´reign is often described as a monarchy established by a dictator.  Without the history they have none of the magic of the Windsors (Windsors be warned!).  I truly believe that Spain will when the time comes (Juan Carlos´demise or abdication) when the future of the monarchy will be put to referendum - especially should this occur during a Socialist government.  The people will undoubtedly decide to leave the Borbons behind.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 14, 2012, 04:13:27 PM
Very thoughtful, Darius. I tend to agree with you.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: trentk80 on May 14, 2012, 06:05:09 PM
To expand a little on my previous post, the Spanish have no real historic collective memory of Monarchy.

I think many Spaniards (not all, of course) are fond of the history of their Monarchy. The history of Spanish monarchs since the Middle Ages up to the 20th century has been the focus of much research in Spain, both academic and amateur. Personally I know many persons in Spain who are fascinated by it. However, the present royal family is not popular, but they are not seen as "history" or part of that "history of the Monarchy". They belong to the present, which is not so "romantic" (especially with the difficult economic situation Spain is facing). For instance, Queen Marie Antoinette of France was very unpopular during her reign, and two centuries later a lot of people are fascinated with her. Perhaps people will be fascinated with Juan Carlos two centuries from now.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Vecchiolarry on May 14, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
Hi,

What of The Queen?
I quite understand the lack of popularity & respect for Juan Carlos and even for the Asturios's and his two sister Infantas,
but Sofia does seem to have some esteem, doesn't she.
I can't see her as ever putting a foot wrong......

Larry
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on May 15, 2012, 12:03:16 AM
Queen Sofia has never put a foot wrong and is seen (and was once described by the King) as a great professional.  Yet she is not loved by the people - she is perhaps considered rather Prussian.  There isn´t the degree of contact here in Spain that exists in the UK between the family and the people.  Spain doesn´t have the wide range of charities with members acting as patrons or visits to schools, colleges, universities, sink estates, premieres where we so often see the House of Windsor meeting the public.  The Monarchy here is rather institutional, something akin to another govt. Ministry.  On a TV talk show last night when discussing the matter there wasn´t an obvious sympathy for the Queen´s predicament.  It was asked why the Queen put up with this and didn´t just divorce.  They don´t seem to understand the sense of duty which is innate in this daughter and granddaughter  of Kings and Emperors.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Brassov on May 15, 2012, 05:04:26 AM
Well, I am sooooo dissillusioned with the Spanish Royal Family right now ! Turns out after all the drama and years of struggle to get the Bourbons back on the Spanish throne, the man is an idiot, irresponsible, cruel to animals, screwing around. Amazing.  I have always thought that the survival of Royalty is to first and foremost, earn the respect of the people, if not, everything goes down the tubes pretty quickly! One thing is very apparent ; King J. C.  has learnt nothing from recent history. I would have thought that, when your country is in crisis, you need to set an example, and be there for your family and your subjects.
I hope poor Queen Ena is not spinning in her grave right now !

     
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Kalafrana on May 15, 2012, 06:48:24 AM
Sounds like a lack of judgement on the basics - and I don't mean the king's personal life!

The Spanish monarchy was restored after a 40-year gap, and needed to re-establish itself on firm foundations both in general terms and in separating itself from the association with Franco. Why then did the king and queen not get busy with the public service role personified by the British royal family?

If I read Darius's latest message correctly, there are not  as many charities in Spain as in Britain, but royalty could still involve themselves with, say, education or promoting the arts.

Perhaps Juan Carlos should have studied the example of Haakon VII, who re-established the Norwegian monarchy after a gap of centuries, and, along with his family, quickly gained the affection and respect of his people.

Ann
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Vecchiolarry on May 15, 2012, 09:46:31 AM
Hi,

Yes Ann, I agree with you entirely...
These people could have created their own charitable and educatioal institutions and gotten off their asses and gone out and, at least, be seen to be effective.

Really, when I think of it, here in Canada we only ever saw pictures of the Spanish royals on vacation in Majorca or sailing on the Mediterranean...
They should have been photographed doing something charitable - handing out candies to kids, even!!!!

Larry
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 15, 2012, 09:54:48 AM
The only thing I can think of that the  king and CP  got involved with was  sports, especially sailing. I cannot blame the Queen for staying away from this mess,  although she certainly has grounds, divorce is impossible, IMO. bot Catholic & Orthodox would heavily frown on that. Did she not receive the Golden Rose from the Pope ?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: trentk80 on May 15, 2012, 12:13:04 PM
If I read Darius's latest message correctly, there are not  as many charities in Spain as in Britain, but royalty could still involve themselves with, say, education or promoting the arts.

Throughout the years the Spanish royal family has been involved with education and promotion of the arts. For instance, since 1981 Prince Felipe presides the annual ceremony of the Príncipe de Asturias Awards, which are granted to individuals with outstanding achievements in the Arts, Literature, etc. He's also the President of the Foundation. Throughout their reign, the King and Queen have presided countless events about education, human rights, scholarships, etc. For instance, since 1976 Juan Carlos presides the annual ceremony of the Miguel de Cervantes Awards, which are granted to outstanding achievements in Spanish literature. Since 1977 Queen Sofia is the president of the Fundación Reina Sofía, which promotes education, cultural activities, etc.

Of course, these kind of news are not sensational so most people don't pay attention to that, unlike the private lives of royalty.

So I disagree that the Spanish royal family only appears in pictures while on holiday. There are countless photos and videos of the Spanish royals doing their official activities.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: historyfan on May 15, 2012, 12:34:43 PM
Here's a good source of photos of the Spanish royals at work.

http://www.gettyimages.ca/EditorialImages/Royalty?Language=en-US
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on May 15, 2012, 01:23:36 PM
While all very altruistic it really doesn´t say or mean a great deal to a nation with 6 million unemployed, a third of which are by now ineligible for state subsidies. 
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 15, 2012, 02:09:38 PM
I agree with Darius. Photo ops of  school awards and such does not make  up for obscene elephant hunts, financial and sexual scandal and a broken marriage. The family dynamics alone  could cause  concern.
 Somewhere, this monarchy has seemed to have lost it's way. IMO.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: trentk80 on May 15, 2012, 02:36:06 PM
While all very altruistic it really doesn´t say or mean a great deal to a nation with 6 million unemployed, a third of which are by now ineligible for state subsidies. 

My point was that, since the beginning of Juan Carlos' reign, the Spanish royals have been involved in all kind of activities related to their official duties, not just holidays (as it was suggested).

On the other hand, what you're saying is related to the current economic conditions, not to Juan Carlos' whole reign.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on May 15, 2012, 03:09:17 PM
I´m not limiting it to the current economic situation, I am comparing the family´s involvement with social causes since the beginning of the reign and my point is that this has been severely absent.  Spain is not a country with a history of worthy causes which have been evident in the UK since Victorian times and the British Royal Family´s evolution into a kind of Welfare Monarchy.  What I want to highlight is that yes, the Spanish Borbons have been involved in Foundations promoting literature and the Arts but their involvement with social causes has never been apparent.  This may be an indictment of Spanish society as a whole, but the family certainly haven´t made it their mission to highlight or promote the aleviation of social ills.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: trentk80 on May 15, 2012, 04:42:10 PM
What I want to highlight is that yes, the Spanish Borbons have been involved in Foundations promoting literature and the Arts but their involvement with social causes has never been apparent.  This may be an indictment of Spanish society as a whole, but the family certainly haven´t made it their mission to highlight or promote the aleviation of social ills.

The Spanish royals have also been involved with social causes. Throughout the years, the King, the Queen, Felipe, Letizia and the infantas have attended and presided countless events related to the alleviation of social ills. They have visited and inaugurated hospitals, homes for elderly people, centers for disabled people, etc. For instance, the Fundación Reina Sofía currently has a project to fight Alzheimer's disease and the Queen has been involved in various activities related to this project, including several visits to hospitals.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on May 24, 2012, 11:47:51 AM
Juan Carlos had a rather awkward run-in with the Governor of Florida, Rick Scott:

"I still want to hear -- I've ridden elephants, I've never tried to shoot one," Scott says, with a grin and a handshake.

If Scott thought he was simply embarking on a conversation between two powerful men about shooting large animals for fun, he was wrong. As the Crowley Political Report points out, it's unlikely that King Juan Carlos had much interest in making this a centerpiece of their discussion.

In an unprecedented act of royal contrition, Spain's king apologized Wednesday for having gone elephant-hunting in Africa while everyday people endure a severe economic crisis.
 "I am very sorry. I made a mistake. It won't happen again," King Juan Carlos said, trying to placate a rare wave of outrage against him.

And while all of this could make for an awkward discussion about elephants, Scott forged ahead after his introduction, telling the king about his own trip to Botswana, where one of the massive pachyderms apparently chased his jeep."

Full article and video:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/rick-scott-king-of-spain-elephant_n_1542066.html
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on May 24, 2012, 01:11:36 PM
The Gold Medal for Fine Arts,Kennedy center Madrid:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=17-05-2012%20Madrid

courtesy PPE
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 24, 2012, 01:39:34 PM
The Queen looks none too happy to me.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on May 24, 2012, 01:50:26 PM
Juan Carlos had a rather awkward run-in with the Governor of Florida, Rick Scott:

"I still want to hear -- I've ridden elephants, I've never tried to shoot one," Scott says, with a grin and a handshake.

If Scott thought he was simply embarking on a conversation between two powerful men about shooting large animals for fun, he was wrong. As the Crowley Political Report points out, it's unlikely that King Juan Carlos had much interest in making this a centerpiece of their discussion.

In an unprecedented act of royal contrition, Spain's king apologized Wednesday for having gone elephant-hunting in Africa while everyday people endure a severe economic crisis.
 "I am very sorry. I made a mistake. It won't happen again," King Juan Carlos said, trying to placate a rare wave of outrage against him.

And while all of this could make for an awkward discussion about elephants, Scott forged ahead after his introduction, telling the king about his own trip to Botswana, where one of the massive pachyderms apparently chased his jeep."

Full article and video:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/rick-scott-king-of-spain-elephant_n_1542066.html


This Governor is an embarrassment to the USA.  He and his wife sauntered into the King´s office with such nonchalance and idiotic grins.  Why are these people allowed out of the country?  If the people of Florida are foolish enough to vote for them let them keep them, not send them anywhere else!
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on May 24, 2012, 01:52:08 PM
The Queen looks none too happy to me.

They do appear rather strained and uncomfortable...
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on May 26, 2012, 12:10:40 AM
Juan Carlos had a rather awkward run-in with the Governor of Florida, Rick Scott:

"I still want to hear -- I've ridden elephants, I've never tried to shoot one," Scott says, with a grin and a handshake.

If Scott thought he was simply embarking on a conversation between two powerful men about shooting large animals for fun, he was wrong. As the Crowley Political Report points out, it's unlikely that King Juan Carlos had much interest in making this a centerpiece of their discussion.

In an unprecedented act of royal contrition, Spain's king apologized Wednesday for having gone elephant-hunting in Africa while everyday people endure a severe economic crisis.
 "I am very sorry. I made a mistake. It won't happen again," King Juan Carlos said, trying to placate a rare wave of outrage against him.

And while all of this could make for an awkward discussion about elephants, Scott forged ahead after his introduction, telling the king about his own trip to Botswana, where one of the massive pachyderms apparently chased his jeep."

Full article and video:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/rick-scott-king-of-spain-elephant_n_1542066.html


This Governor is an embarrassment to the USA.  He and his wife sauntered into the King´s office with such nonchalance and idiotic grins.  Why are these people allowed out of the country?  If the people of Florida are foolish enough to vote for them let them keep them, not send them anywhere else!


Hear Hear Hear!!!Brainless bigots indeed Darius..and they can get here without a visa or digital permission to enter 48 hours in advance like us travelling there...the arrogance & hypocracy unwavered and unchanced...and incurable!!...They'll never learn.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on May 26, 2012, 06:59:03 AM
I do feel for the majority of Republics who never get it right when voting their politicians and Heads of State into office.  They must really envy us who have "undemocratic", unelected and hereditary Heads of State...
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on May 26, 2012, 10:45:11 AM
I do feel for the majority of Republics who never get it right when voting their politicians and Heads of State into office.  They must really envy us who have "undemocratic", unelected and hereditary Heads of State...

Indeed!!And most important,they can never beat the experience and breed that comes with Royal Families...well,
in general that is,....apart from this Bourbon boy and his faul streaks.. ::)

About Reps never getting it right on voting,it's le peuple that's voting,they vote their own brand of crap...says a lot
on the brains,or lack of that,of these precious citizens...Hah!...ROTFL...Have a sigar!...Oh no,that's a no no now too.. ;D

Republics give extra costs as you have to give the creeps extra staff even after they're done away with
and loads of ballony of bubbles mistaken for importance...yeah,well,once upon a time..in Disneyland..

Anyway,we made a point Darius:We don't do Republics.C'est ca!Free impression after that runaway Czech kid,
Madeleine "We don't do Kings" Allbright..(Quote after Allbright)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 26, 2012, 01:26:04 PM
Hold on, boys. NO throne is so stable that it is not bolted down in iron. There is nothing superior in a monarchy over a republic [I happen to prefer monarchies that are long established] and not a few have been disasters.  Hence, the whole point of this Forum. Monarchies come and go just as easily as politicians do. Believe me, there is no "envy" on  our part.
 That jerk from Florida is just an example of  some low standards of the electorate.  Europe has it's  fair share of those as well.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on May 26, 2012, 01:37:09 PM
More on the Governor and the King:

"Enter Scott — who was visiting Spain this week on a trade mission. Not only did the governor start with the I've-never-shot-an-elephant ice-breaker, Scott then continued to talk about elephants and Botswana after he introduced his wife, Ann, to the king.

"We were in Botswana," Scott says. "And we were in the Jeep. And an elephant started to chase the Jeep. My wife was in the back part of the Jeep and she wanted to get out to the front of the Jeep." "I needed you in the Jeep with me," Ann leans in to say to the king. Juan Carlos laughed nervously at the elephant in the room and . . . Cut! The video stops.

But the laughter began. Newspapers nationwide and late-night Spanish television made Scott's elephant story a topic of uproarious laughter.

"All the news outlets highlight the absolute lack of tact of the Florida governor, which can only be attributed to poor preparation for the meeting," TV personality Sandra Sabatés says on the satirical news show El Intermedio (Halftime). "Gov. Scott continues, obstinate in his error. He adds insult to injury and asks the king increasingly uncomfortable questions about the details of the hunt."

At one point, Scott suggests that the king needs a better story to tell than that he injured his hip getting out of bed while on the trip...Returning to Florida on Thursday afternoon, Scott was met by a gaggle of media at Miami International Airport.

"If I did anything . . . wrong I completely apologize," he said. "The king's a wonderful person. He's a wonderful world leader. He's done so many wonderful things in his life. And we had a great conversation. "The first thing I asked him about was his hip, of course, because he had been injured," Scott said. Scott said he talked more about jobs than elephants with the king — not that anyone much wrote about that.

This wasn't the first time that the Spanish king has had an awkward moment with a Florida governor. Scott's predecessor, Charlie Crist, feted Juan Carlos at a royal dinner as part of a food-and-wine fest at the Biltmore Hotel in Coral Gables. But Crist isn't a big eater. And he's not known for long talks about foreign policy. So Crist and his wife, Carole, left before dinner was over and left Juan Carlos and Queen Sofía sitting next to empty seats — a protocol no-no. Maybe protocol is just not a Florida forte.

When King Juan Carlos arrived at Miami International Airport several years ago, neither the mayors of Miami-Dade County or the city of Miami were available to greet him, as is customary. About an hour before Juan Carlos' arrival, county officials hastily called then-County Commissioner Carlos Gimenez, who rushed to get dressed up and make it to the tarmac in time for him and then-City Commissioner Tomás Regalado to shake the king's hand. "When he got off the plane, he referred to me as mayor," Gimenez said, recalling the story. "I had to kind of say, I'm not the alcalde, I'm a commissioner.""
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Brassov on May 28, 2012, 06:05:48 AM
They really look finished, in more ways than one. She looks a nervous wreck, and the King does not look like something the Spanish should be proud of. I feel sorry for her ! She has never done anything wrong to deserve this. I am not surprised she spends so much time away from home ! So would I. 
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 28, 2012, 12:12:02 PM
I am not sure of the constitutional position of the monarchy in Spain. Would it relatively easy to abolish it  ?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on May 28, 2012, 01:11:31 PM
The King is Head of State and of Armed Forces, much like the UK model.  However, as with everything else it could be quite easily abolished if there was parliamentary will to call a referendum.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 28, 2012, 01:19:09 PM
So, it would take a referendum instead of a simple act of Parliament ?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on May 29, 2012, 03:02:34 PM
As the institution is enshrined in the Constitution it would seem that a referendum would be necessary and I honestly could not say that I am convinced the result would be in the Monarchys favour...  I think it is sad but may be a good idea for HM to hand over the reins to the Prince of Asturias to attempt to win back some favour with the public.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on July 03, 2012, 12:51:36 AM

Madrid yesterday,la Roja at Palacio Zarzuela :

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=02-07-2012%20Madrid

courtesy ppe

Queen Sofia wasn't in attendance,she is on a visit to the Philippines at present.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: perdita on November 12, 2012, 10:20:41 AM
Spain's Wildlife President King Carlos was recently seen posing proudly beside the bodies of elephants he get's kicks out of pre-stage slaughtering in Botswanna (triple fracturing his hip in the bargain)--a trip arranged, it is alleged, by one of the 74 year old monarch's long line of mistresses that he's aquired in the last 35 years.

Unwise PR.

Weird, King Carlos' slaughter house preoccupation given that he was directly/indirectly involved in the 1956 accidental shooting death of his twin brother Alfonso, and in 2004 was in the Spanish people's very bad books for gunning down 9 bears (one of which was pregnant) in Romania. After the King's latest PR Safari fiasco he lost no time announcing to the world that he would not be celebrating his 50th Golden Anniversary with his royal consort either in public or private which would confirm their estrangement. A planned stamp with the Golden bridal motif has also been dropped. According to respected royal commentator & former director of the respected daily ABC Jose Antonio Zarzalejos: "The failure of the King's marriage to the Queen, from whom he is practically separated, is public knowledge."

Quote, royal watcher Jaime Penafiel on Spain's Royal Golden Anniversary: "The King should instead mark the day with a minute of silence."

Aging monarch Carlos may no longer be besotted with his consort wife (if he ever he was) but that's not the point. The Queen has dutifully served Spain for 5 decades (producing an heir) in the service of the King's cause, his mistresses in tow, under very difficult circumstances and she deserves a modicum of respect--publicly & privately--from her irrant husband. If nothing else, the gracious & discreet Queen Sofia has put a brave face on a bad bargain for 40 years managing to look the radiant royal consort while King Carlos stood by her side DISGRUNTLED & SULKING.

Meanwhile, the Spainish press has had a field day in 2012; WWF has sacked the King, town councils in Spain are declaring him "persona non grata", his son-in-law has been accused of embezzling public funds, and a fair number of his subjects are asking that the once inviolate monarch abdicate. Unthinkable a year ago. In fact, it was only last Dec. that King Carlos was honored with the longest sustained ovation ever received in the congress building. Currently, the King's popularity is at it's lowest ebb since he came to the throne.

Running the gamut, King Juan Carlos even fell flat on his face inspected his military brass in Madrid!

Ostensibly, King Juan Carlos has spent his life devoted to one goal: PRESERVING THE SPAINISH MONARCHY. If this is the King's idea of how to get that job done then he's got a screw loose.

The above, currently, is the scenerio being playing out for the King of Spain.  If the reality is different there has been scant effort put forward by the Spainsh court, so far, to deny public perceptions.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: perdita on November 12, 2012, 11:31:41 AM
Correction. Infante Alfonso, killed in a shooting accident, was King Juan Carlos' younger brother.

"Most historians agree nowadays that the pistol was fired by Juan Carlos by accident. After the funeral the father Don Juan de Borbon, sent Juan Carlos back to Spain immediately after the funeral, and because of pain & anger, did not talk to him for awhile."

Meanwhile, for the sake of the monarchy, would it be beyond the call of duty for King Juan Carlos to occasionally put forward a supreme effort to look benignly in the direction of his royal consort Queen Sofia in public?

No.

Still. Will forever admire King Juan Carlos for publicly calling out Hugo Chavez "WHY DON'T YOU SHUT UP!"
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Lucien on December 21, 2012, 03:09:55 AM

HM Queen Sophia and la Duquesa de Alba attended a the opening of an exhbition on the House of Alba,Madrid.

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=18-12-2012%20Madrid

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on December 27, 2012, 06:00:33 PM
Hello, there! Have been out for more than a year.
I want to propose a discussion theme that I don't think has ever been discussed: the circumstances of the restoration of the House of Spain. It is indeed very remarkable how, after 1931, Franco restored the monarchy in 1947, appointed Juan Carlos as future King in 1969, and finally, after 44 years, JCI completed the process of restoration.
What other events can be compared to the events in Spain? I can think of the dramatic events in Cambodia, where Norodom Sihanouk was restored after being for three years a prisoner of the Khmer Rouge.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on December 27, 2012, 07:36:09 PM
After being booted twice, George II of Greece was recalled after 11 years of exile. Other than that, I can't think of anything in the modern royal annals.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: belianis on December 28, 2012, 11:00:23 AM
Thanks for your reply.
It is indeed amazing how the House of Spain recovered its popularity after AXIII lost his in 1931, and especially after being out of power for two generations. It seems Spain becoming a republic in 1931 was only an accident, despite what the losers of the Spanish Civil War might say.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: IvanVII on December 29, 2012, 02:31:46 AM
I think Spain was unique. In the early 20th century you see the fall of absolute monarchy. The remaining monarchs were already constitutional  or rapidly becoming so. Those that couldn't/wouldn't adapt went the way of the dinosaur.

In Russia you saw the victory of the left who wanted nothing to do with the monarchy. In Spain's civil war you saw a victory for the right a collection of fascists and monarchists (who saw themselves of the patriotic continuation/restoration of Spain's glory) led by Franco. Franco realized the king had to go but wanted Spain to continue down that path. While Spain may have been a republic in name it was a dictatorship and knowing that he could not name himself king agreed to JC's return to Spain so Franco could teach JC the way Spain should be run (in his opinion and manner of course). He expected JC to continue the autocratic ways he had established and probably did a few flips and back flips in his grave when JC turned out to be a strong willed believer in constitutional monarchy.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: eejm on December 31, 2012, 08:37:39 PM
It was a very long time in coming, involving literally *years* worth of discussion among Franco, the Duke of Barcelona, Juan Carlos, and many others.  Franco eventually opened up to restoring Spain's monarchy, but never got on particularly well with the Duke of Barcelona.  Although he liked Juan Carlos very much, Franco also considered Alfonso, Duke of Cadiz as Spain's next monarch; Alfonso married Franco granddaughter. 

At the time of Juan Carlos' marriage to Sophia, the Duke of Barcelona was adamant that he was the heir to the monarchy.  Juan Carlos made it clear that he would not challenge his father's claim.  Eventually, the Duke of Barcelona relented, seeing that as Juan Carlos had Franco's affection, the monarchist cause would be executed far more successfully with Juan Carlos as the heir.  The Duke of Barcelona formally renounced his claim to the Spanish throne in 1977, nearly two years after his son became king.

Franco wished to groom Juan Carlos as very conservative successor, much in his own likeness.  Juan Carlos played along for a few years as Franco's health gradually became worse.  If Franco suspected that Juan Carlos was anything but completely supportive, he never let on.  After Franco's death, Juan Carlos began the work at bringing Spain out of a fascist state.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: IvanVII on January 01, 2013, 12:10:10 AM
It would seem a lot of people (perhaps the yonger generations that did not live under Franco) don't really understand how much HM King Juan Carlos had to do with returning Spain to a true democracy
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on January 31, 2013, 03:02:08 PM
The new biography on Queen Sophia, The Solitude Of The Queen, is fanning the flames. It’s claimed Juan Carlos, 74, is a serial philanderer who has  used his power to sleep with 1,500 women.

"Now it seems the gloves are off and the Spanish press is awash with reports of Juan Carlos’ alleged ­infidelities. The monarch received treatment for a lung tumour last year but it seems age and ill-health have not affected his voracious sexual appetite. Pilar Eyre, a respected author and journalist, claims in the new book that Juan Carlos’ most recent conquest is a young German translator. She also names several of the king’s other alleged mistresses.

Royalists in Spain fear the fallout could permanently damage the ­monarchy. Spain’s republican streak means affection for Juan Carlos does not always extend to the monarchy as an institution, raising doubts about its ability to outlive the septu­genarian king. For the king and queen to divorce is almost unthinkable in staunchly Catholic Spain. Like Andrew Morton’s book Diana: Her True Story the account emerging from Spain contains a remarkable level of detail about the strife in Spain’s royal family. Eyre states: “Queen Sofia is a woman betrayed and hurt by the man she once loved blindly. Her married life has been a real ­tragedy. Juan Carlos is a professional seducer and age has not slowed him down.”

The king is said to regularly receive vitamin injections and anti-ageing treatments to boost his libido.

Juan Carlos came to the throne in 1975 two days after General Franco’s death and is credited with transforming Spain from a fascist dictatorship into a modern democracy.
In 1962 he had married Princess Sofia of Greece and Denmark. Eyre claims the marriage effectively ended in 1976 when Sofia, daughter of the last king of Greece, took their children for a surprise visit to her husband at a friend’s country house near Toledo. She arrived to find the king’s favourite pet dog roaming free and the home-owner frantically barring her route. Sofia burst in and caught her husband with his lover, a well-known Spanish actress.

A few days later a distraught Sofia took the children and stormed out of the Zarzuela Palace near Madrid, the royal couple’s principal residence, and spent 10 days in India with her mother, the exiled Queen Frederika of Greece. Sofia intended to separate but ­Frederika advised her to stand by her man, warning: “Do you want to end up living in the south of France like so many other former kings and queens, being paid to liven up the parties of the newly rich?”

Sofia returned to Madrid but from then on reserved her affection for her dogs and her children, notably Crown Prince Felipe. The book claims Sofia, 73, suffered in dignified silence as Juan Carlos, who has a fleet of 70 vehicles including Franco’s old Rolls-Royce, continued to enjoy a playboy lifestyle. One fling is said to have been with an interior decorator from Mallorca, where members of the royal family spend their summer holidays. The king is said to have had a particular penchant for blondes. It’s said Sofia’s chauffeur, named only as Gaudencio, had to ­pretend not to notice when she was ­crying in the back of the car. The queen could not count on her Spanish female friends because she could never be sure they had not slept with her husband.

Despite being married to an allegedly insatiable Lothario the queen is said to have remained faithful. But it’s reported she has had the living quarters in their official residence rearranged so she is not even on the same level as her errant husband. Eyre adds: “In this country it is a feather in your cap to be successful with women. In spite of his disloyal behaviour towards his wife he is still more popular than her. Their backgrounds made them an ideal couple but in reality they were chalk and cheese....From the moment she first ­discovered her husband’s infidelity Sofia put on a mask. Now they barely speak. Her only real goal is preparing her son to become king. She has no friends, no one to confide in and fears she is being spied on. “The king is surrounded by a clique. Everyone loves him.” Last year Sofia raised eyebrows when she did not attend her husband’s hospital bedside...Sofia will continue to do her duty but Eyre, who has exposed the 50-year-old marriage as a sham, says: “She is the loneliest woman in Spain.”"

This is all just so sad. Queen Sophia always struck me as a kind and gentle woman--what misery to put up with for decades. They made such a good-looking couple (not that that indicates anything) back in the day. She was never a great beauty but I always thought she had a pretty, girl-next-door appeal and a lovely demeanor.

Given the 2 on-going scandals--this tawdry, if personal, business and the political/criminal scandal involving Juan Carlos's son-in-law Inaki--is there any speculation that Juan Carlos might follow the recent example (albeit under VERY different circumstances) of Queen Beatrix and abdicate? Perhaps a fresh start with the well-liked Felipe & Letitzia might staunch some of the bad publicity?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 31, 2013, 05:17:51 PM
 Erm... I read two books she wrote : The one of Empress Eugenie of France and Ena and if this """"biography"""" its like them....yuck! No worthto  read
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 31, 2013, 06:02:22 PM
Trashy material from the likes of National Enquirer.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: historyfan on January 31, 2013, 08:25:31 PM

A few days later a distraught Sofia took the children and stormed out of the Zarzuela Palace near Madrid, the royal couple’s principal residence, and spent 10 days in India with her mother, the exiled Queen Frederika of Greece. Sofia intended to separate but ­Frederika advised her to stand by her man, warning: “Do you want to end up living in the south of France like so many other former kings and queens, being paid to liven up the parties of the newly rich?”


Compared to living with an unfaithful husband and having to spend the last almost-40 years putting on a brave face...this doesn't seem like a bad option, if you ask me.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 01, 2013, 08:15:20 AM
Well...Her name sake and grandmother had to do both.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on February 01, 2013, 06:35:51 PM
The book may be Kitty Kelleyish but it does seem common knowledge now of the King's infidelities. I didn't mention the Princess Diana stuff because that seemed too tabloidy. Just from the perspective of the damage caused to the monarchy by the revelations of his affairs (brought to glaring attention after his hunting accident) combined with Inaki's trial, how bad is it for the monarchy in Spain in the public perception?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 01, 2013, 11:45:25 PM
It is well known that the King has a roving eye for the ladies and Diana wasn't the only one. In fact, Queen Sophia makes a lot of of trips aboard and spent time with her family and Greek relatives. The way Queen Alexandra used to do.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on February 02, 2013, 05:06:42 PM
The book may be Kitty Kelleyish but it does seem common knowledge now of the King's infidelities. I didn't mention the Princess Diana stuff because that seemed too tabloidy. Just from the perspective of the damage caused to the monarchy by the revelations of his affairs (brought to glaring attention after his hunting accident) combined with Inaki's trial, how bad is it for the monarchy in Spain in the public perception?

The Monarchy has been severely undermined bt the "Caso Noos" as the Undangarin scandal is known.  The King´s approval ratings are at their lowest ebb, not helped by his ill fated safari trip.  The fact that the Infanta is also involved in the impropriety is an added negative factor.  In a country with 6 million unemployed, an imploding economy and Cataln independence movements at an all time high it is a difficult situation to rise above.  The Queen´s Christmas shopping trip to London was also criticized.  She apparently spent thousands on daily 8 hour trips to Harrods...  The only figure who appears to be keeping his head above water is the Principe of Asturias who celebrated his 45th birthday last week.  Many monarchists are asking if it is not time to hand over the crown to him to save the dynasty and the crown.  Quite a worrying situation in the midst of economic hell and a generally discredited political class.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: amelia on February 02, 2013, 06:11:01 PM
If the King had some sense in his head, he would abdicate now.

Amelia
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 03, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
I don't think his son is ready. Abdication is not a good thing for the monarchy. I haven't seen any abdication that is successful in Spain, and the only ones have to do with health not age.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on February 03, 2013, 03:28:05 PM
Isabella's abdication probably eventually saved the throne for her son Alfonso XII. Constant scandal in the press doesn't help the monarchy much either.

I would hate to think that Felipe, at his age, isn't ready. I think he would be well and able to step up as would his wife.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 03, 2013, 10:38:22 PM
I think Isabella II was overthrown and in exile before she abdicated to her son. The only abdication I could see was Juana's to her son Charles V.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on February 03, 2013, 11:23:56 PM
In the course of his recent birthday interview, the King himself said that Felipe was  the best prepared Principe de Asturias in history.  I believe that he is prepared and he has the support of a very strong wife.  If the King did decide to abdicate, his health could be a major factor - he appears to be rather frail and has had a series of health scares...
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Kalafrana on February 04, 2013, 02:02:20 AM
Charles V abdicated as Emperor and divided his realms, but that was not just Spain.

I doubt that Juana abdicated voluntarily at all. We should rather think of a deposition.

Ann
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 04, 2013, 10:52:13 AM
I think there are those who believe she is too strong a wife. Remember Felipe's grandmother Queen Frederica of Greece. I think Queen Sophia found the balance after seeing her mother's example. She is very beloved in Spain (even in Greece too) and I think she should continue. I agree that if Juan Carlos has health issues, he should consider abdicate. However he is a strong character and I do not believe he will.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on February 04, 2013, 11:54:57 AM
I think Isabella II was overthrown and in exile before she abdicated to her son. The only abdication I could see was Juana's to her son Charles V.

But if she hadn't abdicated, the restoration of her line probably wouldn't have happened.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: darius on February 04, 2013, 01:51:36 PM
I think there are those who believe she is too strong a wife. Remember Felipe's grandmother Queen Frederica of Greece. I think Queen Sophia found the balance after seeing her mother's example. She is very beloved in Spain (even in Greece too) and I think she should continue. I agree that if Juan Carlos has health issues, he should consider abdicate. However he is a strong character and I do not believe he will.

I was referring to Letizia Ortiz.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 04, 2013, 02:00:23 PM
Yes. Me too. Some people think of Felipe as weak because how strong she is. The same charge at King Paul of Greece, Felipe's grandfather.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on February 12, 2013, 10:24:22 AM
Marlene had a link to an article about the King's eroding popularity on her blog. Part of the article read:

"Not so long ago, the boos that echoed around Vitoria’s Buesa Arena on the arrival of King Juan Carlos for the basketball Copa del Rey final at the weekend would have surprised many Spaniards and scandalised quite a few others. Such an open display of hostility towards the monarch would have been almost unthinkable. And yet on Sunday, when the booing was so loud that the playing of the national anthem ahead of the game between Barcelona and Valencia was cut short, it no longer seemed all that surprising or shocking, such is the sliding esteem of the Spanish royal family."

"“This is an unprecedented moment because the king has never before had so little popularity among Spaniards,” Josep Lobera, an independent polling expert, told Iberosphere. Only 53 percent of people now believe Spain needs a monarchy, down from around 70 percent five years ago. The elephant-hunting scandal has contributed to this erosion of support. But so too has the economic crisis. The financial woes of Spaniards have accentuated the errors and ethical shortfalls of some of their country’s biggest institutions. Banks, the judiciary and the political system are all victims of this phenomenon. So too is the monarchy.

But the Spanish royals have also been hurt by a corruption case in which the king’s son-in-law, Iñaki Urdangarin, is implicated. The former handball player, who is married to the king’s younger daughter Cristina, is being investigated for allegedly embezzling public funds when he was head of a charity. Carlos García Revenga, the former secretary of Cristina and her sister Elena, has also come under scrutiny for combining his royal duties with work at the charity in question.
A recent El País editorial warned that “the impression is growing that the alleged corruption, tax fraud and other crimes being investigated affect people under the employment of the royal family.”

As part of a strategy to stem the opprobrium, last month, the royal family revealed its budget for 2013 had been cut by four percent. And in an attempt to restore his own image, Juan Carlos has once again used the camera. In January he turned 75, and as part of the low-key celebrations, the first television interview with him for 12 years was broadcast. "

The full article:
http://iberosphere.com/2013/02/spain-news-king-juan-carlos-7915/7915

Queen Elizabeth dragged herself out of the funk of the annus horribilis with years of hard work and the relative lack of scandal after the first years. Now she is riding a wave of popularity following William's wedding, her Jubilee and the Olympics. I wonder if Juan Carlos, given the concerns about his health and the fact that some of these scandals involve criminal actions as opposed to personal scandals, will have the time to do so as well.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2013, 12:14:23 AM
The Spanish Royal Family had not been so popular due to the scandal with the Infantas. The Crown Princess is popular with the masses but not with the aristocracy, who deemed her as a upstart and a nobody, while the crown prince is viewed as weak compared with his strong wife.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 13, 2013, 06:16:39 AM
The scandals of the infantaS??. As long as i know, Helena just divorced Marichalar, that  s not an scandal and as far as i know, they have a very civil relationship. Well, with Cristina, is another story.

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2013, 10:37:51 AM
A divorce is always not popular with any monarchy, and as you remember even the crown princess was once divorced. Queen Sophia's dream of her child continue the tradition of marrying royalty had been thrice dashed.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 13, 2013, 10:48:36 AM
That s not popular but not an scandal. They did the thing in the right way with no scandal whatsoever.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on February 25, 2013, 04:33:55 PM
Marlene had posted this link on her blog:

http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/02/24/inenglish/1361720991_965616.html

Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 25, 2013, 09:35:59 PM
Sad that Juan Carlos and his family had to dragged into it. Marrying below has consequences...That is why the Spanish aristocracy has little respect for the King and his family.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on February 26, 2013, 11:04:32 AM
Sad that Juan Carlos and his family had to dragged into it. Marrying below has consequences...That is why the Spanish aristocracy has little respect for the King and his family.

Well, Juan Carlos made as equal a match (really better than his own bloodline given his morganatic heritage) as possible and he's done a good job of sullying his throne through his own behavior. It's really sad given the admiration he had after the failed military coup decades ago. It was pointed out that people living in Spain now really remember only Franco or Juan Carlos--there isn't a huge attachment to the monarchy as an institution but rather it's popularity was tied to the popularity of Juan Carlos as a person. Who knows what the decline in that personal admiration will mean for the future of the monarchy in Spain.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 26, 2013, 11:19:42 AM
I know...but he doesn't seem to know that the aspect of the monarchy is very ancient. Queen Sofia had tried to marry her son to an established royal family or maybe money, but what he came up with was a divorced newscaster. I think think the Duchess of Alba did not attend that wedding. Now the hand ball player is another Sarah Ferguson in terms of embarrassment for the Spanish Royal family that proves to be true. Why can't they marry someone reliable and boring like Mathilde of Belgium, (aristocrat in Flanders) or the current choice of the future duke of Luxembourg is very respectable too. I think the Spanish Royal Family mistook short term popularity to long term problems with these marriages. They are popular like Letizia, but she was popular not as a royal but more like celebrity like Angelina Jolie or Lindsey Lohan or Kim Kardesian...Although in similar terms even Kate Middleton in London.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on February 26, 2013, 03:23:56 PM
Well, I think in today's society it's rather hit or miss. For every Stephanie (who is lovely) there is probably a Diana Spencer (in terms of toeing the royal line) or a Queen Sophia (in terms of marital happiness). For every Sarah Ferguson you can probably find a soon-to-be-Queen Maxima. I was just reading an article about how the Dutch royal family was against  Margriet marrying Pieter van Vollenhoven and yet they have, by all reports, a blissfully happy & successful marriage without a foot out of place. Her sister Irene married a fellow royal Carlos Hugo, Duke of Parma and the marriage ended in divorce. Most of the future consorts of Europe aren't from the aristocracy:

Duchess of Cambridge (thought Camilla has an aristocratic background); Crown Princess Mary of Denmark; Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway; Daniel Westling (I'm sorry, I forget the title he was given upon his marriage) in Sweden; the Princess of the Asturias; the Princess of Orange.

Hereditary Princess Sophie of Liechtenstein, Stephanie of Luxemburg and the Duchess of Brabant are the exceptions rather than the rule now.

As to the Spanish house, Infanta Elena married into the aristocracy (the son of the Count and Countess of Ripalda) and--divorce. Juan Carlos's sister Infanta Margarita, Duchess of Soria, married outside the aristocracy.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 26, 2013, 05:19:51 PM
Well...At least Elena's husband did not get involved in a scandal. Cristina's husband is a real commoner and so is Letizia. There are may aristocrats from France to Austria to Germany & Spain. Why pick at the bottom of the barrel ? Although Kate Middleton (duchess of Cambridge) seem to do all the right things, but look out for possible for scandal from her brother and sister Pippa...

Also remember Camilla (Duchess of Cornwall) was descended from Alice Keppel, mistress of Edward VII. She was deem "unsuitable" until after the death of the Queen Mum.

Why is it not surprising that the Luxembourg, Lichtenstein and even Belgian Royal families are the cleanest of them in terms of scandal.
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Post by: Kalafrana on February 27, 2013, 03:11:25 AM
Grand Duchess Ella

I agree entirely about the hit-and-miss nature of modern royal marriages. Another marriage which seems to be working well is that of Princess Anne and Timothy Laurence. Also the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester (there was some concern when they married because her parents were divorced).

While the marriage of the Duke and Duchess of Kent has broken up, they have quietly separated without any scandal and neither has put a foot out of place.

Ann
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 27, 2013, 08:39:36 AM
I heartily agree, Ann. And, Eric, I think it's rather disgusting to refer to spouses as the 'bottom of the barrel'. So I guess it's a disgrace to come from anything less than the aristocracy--even though so many of them are engaged in trivial and rather seedy behavior themselves? Besides, you mention the Luxembourgs as being amongst the 'cleanest' and the Grand Duchess is from a middle class family herself!  Prince Louis is married to the daughter of a tiler

Maybe some of these middle class spouses have brought positives to the thrones--Queen Sonja in Norway, Queen Silvia in Sweden, Grand Duchess Maria Teresa, Henrik of Denmark. The only royal consorts are Phillip, Queen Sophia, the late Prince Claus, Queen Paola--and those families have been wracked with varying degrees of scandals. I am NOT saying there's a correlation, I'm merely using it to rebutt your argument. I think it depends entirely on the character of the person-- middle class, aristocrat or royal--who marries into those families, the structure of the royal family (witness the destruction of poor, talented, intelligent Masako of Japan) and the individual royals themselves.

But this is all getting off-topic--the bottom line is, the King is in trouble in Spain, mostly due to his own making and compounded by the allegedly illegal actions of his son-in-law. His personal popularity, upon which the foundation of the modern Spanish monarchy is built, has fallen from 75% to 50% over the past year.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 27, 2013, 09:00:14 AM
I think coupling with a commoner is also a bit of risk. Look at the first commoner who married into the Royal Family : Anthony Armstrong Jones ? What a spectacular success that was ! Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent was against the Kent marriage from the start, and if not for Katherine's devotion to the the crown, it would have ended rather badly. Marina was right after all. I am not saying those I spoke of as "bottom of the barrel" as anything but unsuitable in status but not personality. There are more aristocrats in Austria, Hungary, France and not to mention Germany of course. Prince Aimone of Aosta and Prince Nicholas of Greece both chose within the class. I disagree that Prince Philip was a liability, his marriage to the Queen has its ups and downs. But they have been together for more than 60 years. He is a royal and knows how to behave.

I agree those three were well behaved, but what of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, Mette, Crown Princess of Norway or Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York ? I totally agree with Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone who lived from the time between Queen Victoria to Queen Elizabeth II. "In my day, people do know their place". A well trained aristocrat who grew up in a firm "royal family" is a much better bet than a commoner who do not know how to behave when suddenly elevated to a new position. The handball player who suddenly found himself married to an infanta found opportunities he would not find. hence the temptation to do something inappropriate. I think quite a lot of Spanish Grandees agrees with this sentiment and stayed away from these kinds of celebrations with commoners.
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Post by: Lucien on April 01, 2013, 03:50:11 AM
HM Queen Sofia and TRH los Principes de Asturias and Princess Elena attended Mass at the Cathedral of Palma de Mallorca:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=31-03-2013%20Mallorca

courtesy PPE
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Kimberly on June 02, 2014, 05:20:45 AM
Am I naive? I really didnot see this coming.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27662301 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27662301)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: historyfan on June 02, 2014, 09:24:03 AM
I'm surprised - I didn't think he'd do it.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: RoyalWatcher on June 02, 2014, 09:37:24 AM
Me neither, but I am really happy he did. Long may King Felipe reign and his consort, Queen Letizia!
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on June 02, 2014, 12:43:33 PM
I called it a few months ago and got pounced on (on another forum). I just really had a feeling he would step down--it just seemed like a perfect storm of political, personal and health reasons compelling the decision.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Превед on June 02, 2014, 03:12:31 PM
-it just seemed like a perfect storm of political, personal and health reasons compelling the decision.

But then who wants to step down in disgrace?

It's interesting that Juan Carlos whose accession was hailed as such a triumph for good ends his reign in, well perhaps not disgrace, but in a much more sordid atmosphere than what has prevailed through most of his reign. Whereas Beatrix of the Netherlands, seen as cold, distant and married to "the enemy" in the beginning ended her reign as very popular, just like Albert of Belgium, who at his accession was not deemed to be able to fill the great and saintly shoes of his predecessor.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Превед on June 02, 2014, 04:26:42 PM
Now there are republican demonstrations in Madrid with people chanting "¡Los Borbones a las elecciones!", demanding a referendum.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: amelia on June 02, 2014, 05:33:27 PM
I thought that such a thing would happen - a referendum. I just wonder if Fillipe will really be king. I hope so, though
Amelia
(Eva McDonald)
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: CHRISinUSA on June 03, 2014, 07:11:03 AM
Assuming that the republicans do not prevail and Felipe is proclaimed King, where will the new monarchs likely live?  Is it more likely that Juan Carlos and Sophia move out of Zarzuela to make way for their successors, or it is a better bet that Felipe and Letizia take up residence at El Pardo or another royal residence?
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Yseult on June 03, 2014, 11:39:20 AM
Assuming that the republicans do not prevail and Felipe is proclaimed King, where will the new monarchs likely live?  Is it more likely that Juan Carlos and Sophia move out of Zarzuela to make way for their successors, or it is a better bet that Felipe and Letizia take up residence at El Pardo or another royal residence?

Felipe and Letizia will stay in their current home.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: CHRISinUSA on June 04, 2014, 03:15:25 PM
Assuming that the republicans do not prevail and Felipe is proclaimed King, where will the new monarchs likely live?  Is it more likely that Juan Carlos and Sophia move out of Zarzuela to make way for their successors, or it is a better bet that Felipe and Letizia take up residence at El Pardo or another royal residence?

Felipe and Letizia will stay in their current home.

Thanks - I see in the press that palace insiders are also saying they will remain at the Prince's Pavilion.  But I can't help but wonder if that is merely temporary?  It certainly makes sense for them to remain at the Zarzuela complex (given the vast investment in infrastructure spent there over the past few decades to make it suitable as a base of the King).  But while Zarzuela Palace is arguably the smallest / most humble residence among Europe's crowned heads, the Prince's Pavilion is even smaller!  It hardly seems sufficient to support the household and functions of the monarch - even assuming audiences and councils will take place at the adjoining main palace.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on June 06, 2014, 05:18:18 PM
It's sort of sad things had to end this way for Juan Carlos. He was the man who succeeded Franco and brought democracy back to Spain and stopped a military coup. the Spainish people owe a debt of thanks for this.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: Greenowl on June 08, 2014, 11:59:45 AM
It's sort of sad things had to end this way for Juan Carlos. He was the man who succeeded Franco and brought democracy back to Spain and stopped a military coup. the Spainish people owe a debt of thanks for this.

It is sad that it happened like that but on the other hand, there were problems and he does look old and tired.
Title: Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
Post by: RoyalWatcher on June 18, 2014, 06:55:24 PM
It's official. King Juan Carols has abdicated. You can watch the ceremony here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmGYEF9A8K8