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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Imperial Family => Topic started by: AGRBear on April 01, 2005, 11:58:36 AM

Title: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 01, 2005, 11:58:36 AM
When I was looking around for photographs of Nicholas II's pets, I noticed there were many links to other royal pets but they are scattered  Since this  Bear likes lists,  I'm starting up a thread which provides the links to the various threads on this forum.  

Please add other links which leads us to other information about these royal pets:

AGRBear

____________________LIST____________
>Nicholas II
1. & 2. Nicholas's two dogs - Varon (collie) and Iman:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html


>Olga

2. Olga's Maltese:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/paltea.html
3.  Could be another photo of Olga's Maltese with Nicholas II and Alexandra:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/paltea2.html

>Tatiana
1. Tatiana's dog, a French Bulldog, was called Ortino: http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html



>Anastasia
1. Anastasia's first dog, Jemmy -  Japanese Chin: http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html
2. Anastasia King Charles Spaniel was also called Jemmy or Jimmy: http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html

>Alexei
1. Alexei's dog Joy - Springer Spaniel: http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html

3.  Alexei's dog, name not known - http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html
4.  Another site with dog Joy:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/alekjoy.html

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on April 01, 2005, 12:34:30 PM
Nice list AGRBEAR!
Aren't there any links about Alexandra's terrier Eira?
I would like to see some pictures... :(
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Arleen on April 01, 2005, 03:21:37 PM
I too have asked over and over, but no one seems to be able to come up with a picture of Eira.
..Arleen
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Lanie on April 01, 2005, 06:54:30 PM
In some thread MAndie posted a picture of Alix with Eira.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 07, 2005, 10:59:36 AM
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In some thread MAndie posted a picture of Alix with Eira.


Didn't find it.

Anyone know where a photo of Eira is???

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Arleen on April 07, 2005, 08:06:02 PM
Bear, if I am not totally losing my mind, about a year or so ago, I think that Bob said here on the forum that there wasn't a picture of Eira....and there was some rumour that Eira was a Scotty dog that Alexandra got on a visit to Scotland, (Balmoral) but that no one really knew for sure.  
My ears perked up because I have a dearly beloved Scotty and I know Rob does too....so I have been looking ever since but no picture and no proof have turned up.  I really would like to know!!!
..Arleen
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 10, 2005, 10:45:50 AM
No one seems to have the answers about Eira, it seems.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on April 10, 2005, 02:31:59 PM
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Didn't find it.

Anyone know where a photo of Eira is???

AGRBear



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/roenasd023.jpg)

here you go! :)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Arleen on April 10, 2005, 04:12:35 PM
Mandie, This picture is so wonderful!!  Do you know anything about Eira?  What kind of dog is it? In the picture I can't tell....sort of looks like a Scotty face, but hair too light a color.  Where did you get this fantastic information??
..Arleen
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Shvibzik on April 10, 2005, 04:38:31 PM
There is a link at the top all about Eira, if you want to have a look. :)

I don't think anyones sure what breed she was, but I heard that she might be a Cairn.  She was buried on the Childrens Island, and died before, about, 1906.

In that picture, she looks like a Yorkie. ???

I hope this helps.:-/
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Arleen on April 11, 2005, 03:35:47 PM
But in the top link there is not a "picture".....anyway I've given up the Scotty quest....Eira isn't one.  Did anyone have a Scotty?
..A
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Natalya on April 12, 2005, 10:13:43 AM
I don't know how to post photos, so I have to add links.  Sorry ... but I hope these photos are helpful ...

This picture shows Alexandra holding a black dog that looks like a Scottie to me:

http://www.cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/wolf.jpg

The next one is unusual because it shows Anastasia with Alexei's dog, Joy:

http://www.cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/aotmastandartbored.jpg

Alexei & Joy by a train:

http://www.cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/alekseyjoy2.jpg

Alexei feeding Joy:

http://www.cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/feeding_joy.jpg

Joy alone:

http://www.cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/joy2.gif

Joy, Alexei and Tsar Nicholas all in one photo:

http://www.cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/Stavka_withjoy.jpg

A lovely photo of Tatiana with Ortino:

http://www.cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/tatiana_ortino.jpg

I hope everyone enjoys the photos!






Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on April 12, 2005, 02:26:31 PM
Cool Pics! Natalya :)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Lanie on April 12, 2005, 06:21:57 PM
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The next one is unusual because it shows Anastasia with Alexei's dog, Joy:
 
http://www.cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/aotmastandartbored.jpg



I don't think Anastasia is holding Joy.  I think that's her dog Shvybzik, who died in 1915.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on May 02, 2005, 10:12:01 AM
Thanks everyone for all you new additions.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Laura Mabee on May 02, 2005, 10:48:28 AM
Great Idea AGRBear!  ;D
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on May 06, 2005, 08:33:36 PM
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Does anyone know if this is Maria or Anastasia? It could be anyone of OTMA...look at the forehead. It reminds me of Olga's.
It looks a little like Ana but they were young so I don't know.
(http://img124.exs.cx/img124/3300/191562110dudyjoph5dk.jpg)


What a great looking horse!

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: lexi4 on May 06, 2005, 11:23:22 PM
Thank you bear. I love looking at the sites.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Arleen on June 06, 2005, 03:52:15 PM
Natalya I just stumbled back on to this forum again.....I love the picture you have of Alexandra with the black dog in her lap, it could very well be a Scotty!!
Does anyone know anything about this picture, where and when it was taken......and anything about that little black dog??
Who are the little boys sitting with Alexei?  What a wonderful picture.
Thank you so much!
..Arleen
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on June 13, 2005, 05:25:03 PM
2. Anastasia King Charles Spaniel was also called Jemmy or Jimmy:http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html

Which is the correct spelling for the King Charles Spaniel:
Jemmy
or
Jimmy???

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on July 09, 2005, 10:42:52 AM
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....[in part]....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/1.jpg)

Sadly enough, he wasn’t allowed to ride on horseback but he did have his picture taken as if he was!

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Shvibzik on July 10, 2005, 10:18:34 AM
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2. Anastasia King Charles Spaniel was also called Jemmy or Jimmy:http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html

Which is the correct spelling for the King Charles Spaniel:
Jemmy
or
Jimmy???

AGRBear

It's Jemmy.  She was Tatiana's, instead of Anastasia's, or so I've been told.  But it obviously favored Anastasia over it's owner.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on July 20, 2005, 10:31:41 AM
Please add other links which leads us to other information about these royal pets:

AGRBear

____________________LIST____________
>Nicholas II
1. & 2. Nicholas's two dogs - Varon (collie) and Iman:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html


>Olga

2. Olga's Maltese:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/paltea.html
3.  Could be another photo of Olga's Maltese with Nicholas II and Alexandra:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/paltea2.html

>Tatiana
1. Tatiana's dog, a French Bulldog, was called Ortino: http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html

3.  King Charles Spaniel was also called Jemmy or Jimmy: http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html


1. Anastasia's first dog, Jemmy -  Japanese Chin: http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html


>Alexei
1. Alexei's dog Joy - Springer Spaniel: http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html

3.  Alexei's dog, name not known - http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html
4.  Another site with dog Joy:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/alekjoy.html

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 10, 2005, 04:34:50 PM
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Here’s a photo of Alexis with his Hessian cousins (taken in Friedberg). He’s holding the same dog as on the first photo.
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/AetcousinsHesseDarmstadt.jpg).

...[in part]...
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: mitia on August 11, 2005, 03:05:36 PM
Dear Natalya, I am new to this site and I just discovered your wonderful coloured picture of HIM Alexandra holding this little brindle-black dog, surrounded by Her Husband and 4 of Her children and Her two Hesse and The Rhine nephews Georg-Donatus and Ludwig. The dog is the same that HIH Alexis is holding in his arms on two other photos ( including the one on the bench with again His 2 Hessian cousins ) and it is a brindle french bulldog or toy bulldog, though this frenchie does not have the typical bat ears of the breed but the rose ears early french bulldogs had in the 1900s ( HIH Tatiana had Ortino later on in 1914 and Ortino had the right bat ears so typical of frenchies ).
Is it possible to know where you found this wonderful photo of Alexandra having the little frenchie on her laps ? How did you find out about the colours of the clothes ( purple beeing a mourning colour ) ? I feel that the photo dates from the 1910 visit to Darmstadt, is that right ? Do you have a version of the photo with all the family gathering ? Thanks. Mitia.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Bolin on August 12, 2005, 08:42:21 AM
No one has discussed the fact that Nicholas had a pet parrot named Popov that he inherited from his father.
I thought I saw a picture of a parrot in a cage next to some stone steps leading to the terrace at the Lower dacha at Peterhof,
Does anyone have any information on this parrot or photos?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 25, 2005, 02:14:31 PM
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Is it the one you search ?

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/aleksey.jpg)

I didn't post it before, because it seems to look very much at this dog :

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/1913-2.jpg)

And look at Joy, his hind leg is more black, and his muzzle have white :

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/alexisjoy2.jpg)

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/joy2.gif)



But maybe I am wrong because all the time I saw the first pic, it was labelled "Joy and Alexis", tell me, please, if you are more informations  :)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 25, 2005, 02:31:07 PM
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Greg and I tried to sort out these doggy logistics in The Fate of the Romanovs, and here's what we concluded:

Jemmy, Joy and Ortino departed Tsarskoye Selo with the family, and lived with them through the days in Tobolsk.  After N, A and M left for Ekaterinburg, the three dogs remained with the rest of the children, and traveled to E'burg on board the Rus and by train with them.  The family, including the three dogs, were reunited in the Ipatiev House.  During captivity there, the dogs were fed on the upper balcony, just outside the dining room and what became Demidova's bedroom.  After the murders and during the White investigations, the bones found on this balcony were itemized as remains of the dogs' last dinner in the house.

Various guards also recount stories of the girls, especially Anastasia, teaching the dogs tricks and making them perform in the garden.

After the murders, we know that Joy was taken from the Ipatiev House to Michael Letemin's house, where he was discovered in the garden by the Whites.  Jemmy was obviously taken somewhere by someone most likely connected to the Bolsheviks, for the little dog was still available to them when they were looking for physical evidence with which to "salt" the mine, as suggested by Summers and Mangold.

Ortino's fate, we believe, is most likely found in Michael Kudrin's testimony of December 1963, when he recalled that as the bodies were being moved from the basement of the house into the truck, a little dog appeared from upstairs, and rushed into the courtyard, obviously much distressed and upset and probably looking for his people.  Kudrin is silent on whether or not the dog was behaving like a guard dog, but it would not have been out of the ordinary for a Frenchie -- a famously protective breed -- to become territorial and vicious in defense of his family, the moreso because their scents were at that time overlayed with the smell of gunsmoke and blood.  In any case, a soldier took up his bayonet and stabbed the dog to death, throwing his body into the truck with the Romanovs.  "A dog's death to dogs," Kudrin remembered Goloshchokin commenting as they stood watching.

We think that perhaps some of the "mammal bones" found at the Four Brothers were those of Ortino.

What a brave little guy he was... =)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 11, 2005, 06:22:07 PM
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...[in part]


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/Alexei/asdfffffffff.jpg)


Does the cat have a name?
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In that last picture it looks like Alexei is with Joy and Maria's siamese cat!


Is the cat  "Silina"?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 13, 2005, 01:30:45 PM
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(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4236/alex451zv.jpg)


Anyone reconize this white dog?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 13, 2005, 01:42:48 PM
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(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7009/atf8128pf.jpg)


Was this Alexei's horse or was it just one used for this photo?

Did Alexei have a horse or was he usually forbidden to ride due to a danger of being hurt?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 13, 2005, 01:48:54 PM
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Aleksey and kittens.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Daria5381/1002036.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Daria5381/1002032.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 14, 2005, 11:56:16 AM
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(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8655/untitled7de.png)


Tatiana and her dog Ortino, a French Bulldog
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 14, 2005, 12:16:48 PM
(http://www.cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/wolf.jpg )

Which dog is this?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: rita on November 14, 2005, 02:56:54 PM
This picture was taken in autumn 1910 at Schloss Wolfsgarten.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 14, 2005, 03:28:29 PM
Thanks.

Quote

.....in part....

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/clockworkgirl21/1002235.jpg)


Same little black dog?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: rita on November 14, 2005, 04:02:15 PM
Do you know where this picture was taken? I would think at Kranichstein, but I don't know.
This dog is seen at all pictures during the visit of 1910. They visited Friedberg, Bad Nauheim and Wolfsgarten, Between 30. august and 24. october they were in Friedberg. Then they went to Wolfsgarten. It was the last visit of the IF in germany.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 14, 2005, 06:28:45 PM
Thanks, again, rita.

This is clockworkgirl21's photo.  I do not know anything about it nor the name of their dog.  

Does anyone know the name of this little black dog?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on November 14, 2005, 09:01:21 PM
didnt Misha have a Bear Cub   ive seen a pic of him  playing with one did the family own it :)
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: David_Newell on November 15, 2005, 07:40:49 AM
Alexie had a pet donkey called Vanka
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: mitia on November 15, 2005, 10:50:09 AM
It is indeed the same brindle french bulldog puppy or rather young frenchie on 3 of these photos taken during the 1910 family visit to Germany : in the coloured photo where the dog is sitting on AF laps, on the photo of AN sitting on a bench with the dog  and 2 of his Hessian cousins, and on the photo with AN standing with the frenchie in his arms. I do not know the name of this particular french bulldog, but of course it is not at all Ortino whom was given to TN in 1914. Now the dog being walked with some members of the family on the last photo, is NOT the same dog than on the 3 previous pictures, and it is not at all a frenchie this time but rather some kind of crossed breed.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: mitia on November 15, 2005, 11:05:57 AM
So sorry, I did not watch the last picture carefully enough. It is indeed the same dog than on the 3 other photos, a brindle ( almost black ) young french bulldog beeing walked. This young frenchie has the typical looks of the early 1900s french bulldogs which very often rather looked like toy bulldogs with still " rose bud shaped " ears rather than the typical " bat ears ".

Another good example of these early frenchies, is Felix Youssoupoff 's Gugusse 1st, a fawn frenchie purchased in Paris, rue de la Paix in 1900. Everyone knows the famous portrait by Seroff showing a young Felix with his beloved Gugusse displaying his wonderful " bat ears ". In fact when ones looks at the different photos taken at the time when Felix and Gugusse were posing for this portrait, one clearly sees that Gugusse never had bat ears but rose bud shaped ears, exactly like this young frenchie shown on the 4 photos of the 1910 family visit to Germany.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 16, 2005, 02:40:17 PM
Is there a copy of this photo drifting around these theads?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Sainte-Claire1875 on November 22, 2005, 12:02:44 PM
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Everyone knows the famous portrait by Seroff showing a young Felix with his beloved Gugusse displaying his wonderful " bat ears ". In fact when ones looks at the different photos taken at the time when Felix and Gugusse were posing for this portrait, one clearly sees that Gugusse never had bat ears but rose bud shaped ears, exactly like this young frenchie shown on the 4 photos of the 1910 family visit to Germany.


I can't say whether or not this painting is anywhere here on the threads, AGRBear, but I do know that you can find it if you do a google image search--look up either Felix Youssopov or Serov and you'll be able to find the painting. As for the actual photograph, I don't know that I've ever seen it, so I wouldn't know where to find it. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: mitia on November 22, 2005, 02:08:42 PM
I am so sorry not to be very good at all at posting photos, but I will try my best in the next future. In the fisrt tome of Felix Youssoupoff memoirs " Avant l'exil " translated " Lost Splendour " one can see the photo of Felix and Gugusse posing for Seroff in 1904 between page 44 and 45 of the 1996 edition published by The Folio Society of London, translated from the french by Ann Green and Nicolas Katkoff ( I have at the moment the book under my eyes, the book has a lovely purple front page, lined in silk, with a photo of Felix in his traditionnal russian boyard costume ). On the reverse of the page with the photo of Felix and Gugusse posing, one finds a 1901 photo of Felix, his parents and his brother and 2 dogs including Gugusse sitting just in front of Princess Zenaide Youssoupoff, Gugusse having his ears " falling down " and not straight  ( or bat ears ) as to-day french bulldogs must have according to the breed's standart.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on January 23, 2006, 12:36:47 PM
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...[in part]....
Janet R.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Koloagirl/vaska.jpg)
Remembering little "Vaska"   :)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on February 18, 2006, 02:00:23 PM


Anyone have more pets to add to this collection?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: imperial angel on February 20, 2006, 08:35:15 AM
That picture of vaska is so cute!
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 06, 2006, 05:10:05 PM
Alexis and Joy:

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/1915ts.jpg)

The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection on Alexis found at:

http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/


AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 06, 2006, 05:15:38 PM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Joy.jpg)

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(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Joy.jpg)

Joy

THE FATE OF THE ROMANOVS by King and Wilson p. 364 tell us that  Joy was found with Michael Letemin when he was arrested.  

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...[in part]...

.... Joy, Alexis' spaniel, hid during the murder and , when the bodies were taken out of the cellar room, he ran out into the streets of Ekaterinburg. Later, Joy was found in the home of an Ipatiex House guard, Michael Letemin. When the guard was arrested by the White Army. Colonel Paul Pavlovich Rodzianko looked after Joy who had by then became totally blind. Joy was taken to Omsk with the British Military Mission. There, Baroness Buxhoeveden went to see Joy and the dog seemed to recognize her, despite he was blind, probably because of a familiar smell. Then Paul Rodzianko brought the dog out of Russia with him to a new home in England ". All this is from an article by Marion Wynn " The Last Resting Place of Joy " which was published in ROYALTY DIGEST of november 2004. Marion Wynn also says that " Ortino died with his mistress on the 17th july 1918 and that Jemmy was found in the mineshaft ". I do not know if there is GENUINE evidence about Ortino beeing killed in the cellar room ? And judging from the photo kindly posted by AGRBear, I find it very difficult to recognize Jemmy and to believe that his body did not decompose after so many months in the mineshaft.

AGRBear

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 06, 2006, 05:41:38 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/3.jpg)

Alexis and Joy

From Tukker-ragazzo's collection.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 06, 2006, 05:44:55 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/50hn-asino.jpg)

From Tukker-ragazzo's collection.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 06, 2006, 05:51:44 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/al2.jpg)

From Tukker-ragazzo Collection - 7
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 06, 2006, 05:56:27 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/alekjoy.jpg)

From Tukker-ragazzo Collection - 10
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 06, 2006, 05:59:45 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/aleksey23ul.jpg)
Alexis, Nicholas II and turkeys.

Anyone know where this was taken?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 11, 2006, 01:36:13 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/alekseyjoy.jpg)

 Alexis and Joy
 
From Tukker-ragazzo's collection. 10
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 11, 2006, 01:42:09 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/alex-1909-al2Bhis_dog.jpg)

Alexis and Otino ?

 From Tukker-ragazzo's collection. 10

This looks like the same dog.  If it is then this was taken in Friedberg and the other children are his Hessian cousins.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/AetcousinsHesseDarmstadt.jpg
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Post by: AGRBear on April 11, 2006, 01:49:28 PM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/OrthinoBullDog.jpg)

Ortino

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 11, 2006, 01:59:00 PM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/TatianaAnabullDog.jpg)
Anastasia and Tatiana holding Otino, a French Bulldog
1917
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 11, 2006, 02:46:14 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/alex451zv.jpg)

Does anyone know the name of this dog and to whom the dog belongs?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: M_Breheny on April 11, 2006, 06:53:12 PM
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(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/aleksey23ul.jpg)
Alexis, Nicholas II and turkeys.

Anyone know where this was taken?

AGRBear

I think this picture was taken at Tobolsk.
Mary
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Ortino on April 11, 2006, 07:07:13 PM
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(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/alex451zv.jpg)

Does anyone know the name of this dog and to whom the dog belongs?

AGRBear

I think this is the same dog:

(http://www.alexanderpalace.com/palace/images/StandartDoga.jpg)

According to the main AP site, Alexei had a white dog named Boika, so this may be him.

The dog in Reply #64 is not Ortino--the identity of this dog was discussed elsewhere, but I can't remember the thread.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 13, 2006, 01:28:01 PM
To me, the dog along the waterfont looks smaller with longer hair than the white dog on the boat.

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/alex451zv.jpg)
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AlexisWhiteDgBoat.jpg )

AGRBear

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 13, 2006, 01:30:56 PM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/XeniaDog.jpg )


Princess Xenia of Russia, dau. of GD George Mikailovich, and I assume her German Sheperd dog.

Anyone know the dog's name?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 13, 2006, 01:42:41 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/aljoy.jpg) - 15

Alexis and is this cat called  Vaska?  Who's cat?

The dog is Joy.

The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection on Alexis found at:
 
http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Ortino on April 13, 2006, 02:56:20 PM
Vaska was Olga's cat. Vaska was striped while the cat in the picture is clearly Siamese. Alexei had his own cat, but I don't know its name.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 13, 2006, 03:15:48 PM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AlexisWhiteDgBoat.jpg)

So you think this dog's name is Boika?



A Samoyed gets to be about 50 to 65 pounds. Height about 19 to 20 inches.

German Spitz grows to about 25 pounds.  Height is only 11 inches.

Japanese Spitz is small and about 13 pounds as an adult.  Can get to about 14 inches high.

I think the ears are not quite right to be a Norwegian Bunhund, however, they are back so it's hard to tell.  This dog weights in from 26 to 40 pounds and stand about 18 inches.  It's considered a "Spitz type".

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 13, 2006, 04:00:50 PM
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Lili Dehn in "The Real Tsarina" states that Maria owned a Siamese cat - I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else though

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/aljoy.jpg) - 15

Is this Maria's Siamese cat?
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Post by: AGRBear on April 13, 2006, 04:09:09 PM
Irish Setters:

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This afternoon one of my grandchildren sent me an article about Nicholas II's Irish Setters because she knows I'm interested in the Romanovs, and, too, we have a "hunting" Irish Setter, our second, the first lived to be 17 years old.

Anyone know more about these dogs, please, let me know because I'm interested.

Also, I'm curious to know if Nicholas II had a favorite horse as a child then as an adult which he rode and does anyone know their names?

I know there are threads about Alexandra's, Olga's, Tatiana's, Anastasia and Alexei's pets but none about Nicholas II.

Did he have a favorite dog as a child....?

Love photographs.

Here is the article:
>>The Montebello line of Irish Setters is thought by some to have originated from Florence Nagle Kennel (Sulhampstead) bloodlines.  The kennel was owned and operated by a wealthy Norwegian.  During the occupation of Norway by the Germans in World War II,  this individual was friendly with the Germans, and did some work for them.  When the Germans left Norway, some accounts say they took some of the Montebello setters back to Germany with them.  Others say that no original Montebello dogs entered Germany, and the pedigree records indicate this is factual.  After the war, Russian invaders found these dogs and took them to Russia, where they were crossed with dogs from the kennels of Czar Nikolaus.   Nikolaus at one time had 40 to 60 Irish Setters in his kennel.  In the late 1960s, two dogs from these crosses were imported to Finland, where they were crossed with other Irish Setters from the original  Montebello line, now located in Finland.  One of these was the well known Irish setter Viking.  The fate of other Russian Irish Setters is not known.  Some Russian bloodlines were exported through the Czech Republic.  The breeding program in Russia was known to be outstanding, and it is fortunate that some of those dogs were exported.  The fate of much of the program is, unfortunately, unknown. Much of the Scandinavian working Irish Setter blood today is a product of Montebello.  The bloodline is carefully regarded, and only very selective crossbreeding from outside lines is introduced.  Most of what is considered comes from Jack Nash's Moanruad Kennel offspring.  Montebello setters have been imported into the United States<<

AGRBear

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Post by: AGRBear on April 14, 2006, 12:34:16 PM
More information.

The archive link is broken.  I do not know where this particular quote sunyluv found can be located at this time.

Quote
Does not sound like it, though I read that the family had their own zoo and there were all kind of animals including parrots and guine pigs in the house--though I can not verify the source;
Here is the paragraph from archives (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/anna3.html)
:
"The Emperor and Empress and all the children were passionately fond of pets, especially dogs. The Emperor's inseparable companion for many years was a splendid English collie named Iman, and when in the natural course of time this dog died the Emperor was inconsolable. After that he had a fine kennel of collies but he never made a special pet of any dog. The favorite dog of the Empress was a small, shaggy terrier from Scotland. This dog's name was Eira, and, to tell the truth, I did not like the little animal at all. His disagreeable habit of darting from under chairs and snapping at people's heels was a trial to my nerves. Nevertheless the Empress doted on him, carried him under her arm even to the dinner table, and amused herself greatly talking to and playing with the dour little creature. When he fell ill and had to be mercifully killed she wept in real grief and pity. Alexei's pets were two, a silky little spaniel named Joy and a beautiful big gray cat, the gift of General Voyeikov. It was the only cat in the household and it was a privileged animal, even being allowed to sleep on Alexei's bed. There were two other dogs, Tatiana's French bull and a little King Charlie which I contributed to the menagerie. Both of these dogs went with the family to Siberia, and Jimmie, the King Charles spaniel, was found shot to death in that dreadful deserted house in Ekaterinburg."


Anyone know about Alexis "big grey cat"?

Apparently, Gen. Voyeikov was unware that  there were two other cats, a striped cat called Vaska, which belonged to Olga,  and Maria's Siamese.

AGRBear
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Post by: AGRBear on April 14, 2006, 01:12:10 PM

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When Alexandra first moved to Russia (during Alexander III's illness) she didn't bring Eira, who was brought to Petersburg by Zanotti later.

I have only seen one picture that I am pretty sure is of Alexandra and Eira - I will try and find it.  He wasn't a Scottie - more like Toto from the Wizard of Oz.

Eira iis buried on the Children's Island.  I have a picture of his grave.

Bob

The new URL for Bob's IF pets is:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 14, 2006, 02:16:20 PM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/roenasd023.jpg)

Eira on lap of Alexandra
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on May 04, 2006, 03:53:57 PM
Photo's continued:

 The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection on Alexis found at:
http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/


 (http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/atf8128pf.jpg) - 16
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on May 04, 2006, 03:59:48 PM
 The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection on Alexis found at:
http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/m197501112369.jpg)-20
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Post by: AGRBear on May 04, 2006, 04:01:28 PM
 Photo's continued:
 
 The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection on Alexis found at:  
http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/riding8wm0qv.jpg) - 22
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: LisaDavidson on May 04, 2006, 04:11:38 PM
Quote
More information.

The archive link is broken.  I do not know where this particular quote sunyluv found can be located at this time.

Quote
Does not sound like it, though I read that the family had their own zoo and there were all kind of animals including parrots and guine pigs in the house--though I can not verify the source;
Here is the paragraph from archives (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/anna3.html)
:
"The Emperor and Empress and all the children were passionately fond of pets, especially dogs. The Emperor's inseparable companion for many years was a splendid English collie named Iman, and when in the natural course of time this dog died the Emperor was inconsolable. After that he had a fine kennel of collies but he never made a special pet of any dog. The favorite dog of the Empress was a small, shaggy terrier from Scotland. This dog's name was Eira, and, to tell the truth, I did not like the little animal at all. His disagreeable habit of darting from under chairs and snapping at people's heels was a trial to my nerves. Nevertheless the Empress doted on him, carried him under her arm even to the dinner table, and amused herself greatly talking to and playing with the dour little creature. When he fell ill and had to be mercifully killed she wept in real grief and pity. Alexei's pets were two, a silky little spaniel named Joy and a beautiful big gray cat, the gift of General Voyeikov. It was the only cat in the household and it was a privileged animal, even being allowed to sleep on Alexei's bed. There were two other dogs, Tatiana's French bull and a little King Charlie which I contributed to the menagerie. Both of these dogs went with the family to Siberia, and Jimmie, the King Charles spaniel, was found shot to death in that dreadful deserted house in Ekaterinburg."


Anyone know about Alexis "big grey cat"?

Apparently, Gen. Voyeikov was unware that  there were two other cats, a striped cat called Vaska, which belonged to Olga,  and Maria's Siamese.

AGRBear

The source of the quote is Anna Virubova. I do not have my books with me to be able to determine which book this is from.

Anna V was certainly aware of the composition of pets kept by the family, but undoubtedly this, including the number of cats, changed from time to time. Obviously, since we know there was more than one cat in total, either she was in error about the number of cats or was referring to the count at a specific point in time.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on May 04, 2006, 04:45:30 PM
The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection on Alexis found at:
http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/ (http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/tcgfyhftgb.jpg)
 -24
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on May 04, 2006, 04:50:20 PM
The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection on Alexis found at:  
http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/tsarvtch.jpg)
24
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on May 04, 2006, 04:51:43 PM
 The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection on Alexis found at:  
http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/


(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/tatiana-alexei1917.jpg)
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Alexei, Tatiana and her French Bull Dog Ortino
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: imperial angel on May 05, 2006, 08:19:12 AM
It's a pity there isn't more known about Marie's Saimese cat. Is that picture with Alexei the only known picture of it? I don't recall that I have ever seen another, despite the many pictures of the Imperial Family with their pets.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on June 13, 2006, 01:38:45 PM
Any suggestions where I can find other photos?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Natalya on June 18, 2006, 06:45:13 PM
I have a photo of the two Grand Duchesses Olga A & Xenia with two of Xenia's children, Irina & Andrei.  When I first got this photo, I thought it was a Poodle seated in front of Irina.  But I now think it might be an Irish Water Spaniel, very similar to a Poodle.  Does anyone have any knowledge of which of those pictured here actually owned the dog, the dogs name or anything else about it?  Thanks!

(http://cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/irinaolgaxeniaandrei.jpg)

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: imperial angel on June 21, 2006, 11:10:12 AM
I don't know anything about the dog, but it certainly has interesting looks, doesn't it? I have never seen or heard of it before, but is a unique dog.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 08, 2006, 02:44:22 PM
We lost some of the recent posts due to the forum's crash.

AND,  we've lost link connection after the change over from the old forum to the new.

SOOOOooooo,  we need to up date the links.

Those of you who have private URLs,  could you please repost them.

I'll see what I can do to find the new links which are, now, part of this forum.

Thanks.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 08, 2006, 03:42:07 PM
Updates:

>Nicholas II
1. & 2. Nicholas's two dogs - Varon (collie) and Iman:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 15, 2006, 10:59:42 AM
Updated link:

Horse Tombs of the Tsars:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,4909.0.html

http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/archives/compress/2000/157/32.htm

http://eng.tzar.ru/alexander_park/alex_landscape/stables

http://groups.msn.com/ImperialDynastyTheROMANOVARCHIVES/thetsarhorses.msnw
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Post by: AGRBear on August 15, 2006, 11:05:21 AM
Portrait of Nicholas II on Horseback (1908) by Alexander Makovsky (1869-1915)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Sebastiao/abg.jpg)
It`s a great portrait of the Tsar with a beautiful horse.



Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 15, 2006, 11:35:13 AM
New link for thread about Olga and her cat Vaska:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,1209.0.html
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 15, 2006, 11:50:16 AM
Now, that`s what I call an Imperial pet!  :o  ;D

Alexei had a small baby elephant which was kept on the grounds of the Imperial park at the Alexandre Palace.

(http://www.geocities.com/vienna/8919/elephant.gif) Alexei's elephant, a gift from the king of Siam.


Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: imperial angel on August 22, 2006, 04:55:23 PM
Thanks for the updates! I would love to know more about that Siamese cat, but wonder if I shall ever find that info.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 31, 2006, 05:11:29 PM
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Here's a rather famous one of the Dowager Empress, Nicholas II & his daughters. (http://www.btinternet.com/~bevbaker/gwrychcastlepublications/marienickyotma.JPG) Also there was one of Nicholas, Alexandra, the infant Olga & Marie Feodorovna. It's one of the few with Marie Feodorovna & Alix together.

Very nice picture of Minnie with her Granddaughters. It's my favourite, thanks a lot ! Does exist similar photos of the Dowager Empress with Xénia and Sandro's children ?

Is the dog the Dowager's?

Anyone know the name?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 31, 2006, 05:14:15 PM
..[in part]...

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/HU042903.jpg)



Same dog???
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 21, 2006, 12:20:40 PM
I am looking for a photo of Grand Duchess Elisabeth in her nun habit with a Jack Russel [dog] standing near her.

Someone had posted it earlier but when the forum changed over to it's new look the link was lost.

So, now,  I"m looking or the photo so we can see it here, once again.

Thanks

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: koloagirl on September 21, 2006, 09:26:42 PM
 :) ;)

Dear Bear:

Is it this one?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Koloagirl/elladog1os.jpg)

The dog is too cute!
 ;D
Janet R.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 26, 2006, 10:09:36 AM
This is the photo.

Thanks.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 18, 2006, 02:09:51 PM
Was this dog Elisabeth's?

If so,  is there any information about the dog?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: koloagirl on November 24, 2006, 04:24:14 PM
 :)

I have no idea if this little dog was Elizabeth's or not.....I'd like to think that her charity extended to little creatures such as this doggie as well as people!

 :)

Janet R.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on December 10, 2006, 12:42:09 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/MalyLivadiafamilywithGDA.jpg)

There are three dogs in this photo.

Does anyone know their names?

Since this is a photo of Alex. III's family,  I assume they are royal pets.

The large one on the left [as you view the photo] is one I've seen with Alex. III in another photo on the thread Alex. III photo tour where I found this particular photo.

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,2238.0.html

Page 5, Post:
Here Alexander III, his wife,children and brother GD Alexey are in front of Maliy Dvorets (Palace) in Livadia.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/MalyLivadiafamilywithGDA.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/MalyLivadiafamilywithGDA.jpg)

Any kind of information would be greatly appreciated.

AGRBear
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Post by: AGRBear on December 10, 2006, 12:53:46 PM
Alexander III and his family in Gatchina

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Alex3/a3f.jpg)

I believe this is the same dog.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on December 10, 2006, 01:02:57 PM

[....in part..]
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/PrinceEddy1864/Album%20Two/sacha1.jpg)


Same dog as a pup?

Same kind of dog?

Different dog?

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: mitia on December 14, 2006, 10:26:10 AM
I belive this dog to be a pug. How old is Alexander on this photo ? I know about another photo showing Maria Feodorovna as a young wife with three of her young children and a pug also and I wonder if it could be the same pug, knowing that pugs may live 14 to 16 years old ?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on December 17, 2006, 10:20:39 AM
I don't know the age of Alex. III in the photo with the small dog which could be a Pug  or  a pup.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on December 17, 2006, 10:22:16 AM
There is a thread under Tatiana called "Faaberge Ortinos".

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,8597.0.html

that would be so sweet!
she would have jumped for joy!

sadly i havn't hear of faberge ortinos!
eggs yes... but dogs?

i've only heard of one!
and its this one!

(http://www.bullmarketfrogs.com/articles/russian/Ortino.jpg)


AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on December 17, 2006, 10:27:21 AM
Ortino was a gift from Tatiana's friend Dimitri Malama in 1914. Now, when I read one of the letters that either Alexandra or Tatiana wrote, she mentions that Ortino had died. So Dimitri got her another dog (Ortino II) which is the one in the photographs. Jemmy was a gift to Tatiana from Anna Vyrubova in 1915, but she already had Ortino so she let Anastasia play with her (It's been discussed that Ortino was a she). So Jemmy was kind of the family pet, but Anastasia loved him best.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: mitia on December 17, 2006, 11:44:24 AM
Yes Bear, there is this thread about Faberge Ortinos. I am wondering whether you know the exact date of the photo of Taiana having Ortino sitting on her knees and Anastasia sitting next to her, probably the most well known photo of Ortino. Most of the time it is dated spring 1917, after the Tzar's abdication but in a few books or magazines it is found dated spring 1916. Would you have any relevent pieces of information about the date of this particular photo ? Merci.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on December 17, 2006, 01:18:52 PM
According to the book THE ROMANOVS ,  the photo was taken in Summer of 1917.  The authors note under the photo that there are wild flowers and the girls clothes are for summer.

There were other  photos taken with Alexei and Tatiana which were in April of 1917.

I don't think 1916 is correct.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on December 17, 2006, 01:21:22 PM
Alex. III thread:

A little older
....

Standing right
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/PrinceEddy1864/Album%20Two/sacha3.jpg)

Huge dog on floor in front of the men.

Who's dog?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on December 18, 2006, 10:23:05 AM
A web site that talks about Ortino and Tatiana:

http://pic5.piczo.com/tatianaromanova/?g=13898910&cr=5
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on January 26, 2007, 08:16:28 AM
GD Ernst of Hesse's daughter Elisabeth's "best friend":

The pony in the second picture is the Shetland that Queen Victoria gave Elisabeth. I forget his name. It was her "best friend," and she would bring it up the steps and try to get it into the house.  This according to information at the Staatsarchiv.

I don't recognize the pony in the first photo, but she looks older there, so it's possible it was a bigger one for riding.

By all accounts, Elisabeth inherited her love of horses and riding from her mother, who had -- while she lived in Darmstadt -- a large black horse called Bogdan.

~Penny
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on January 26, 2007, 08:21:59 AM
At the bottom of the photo is a little white dog. 

At the wedding of Alice of Battenberg

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/elisa5.jpg)

Anyone know anything about this dog?

Thanks.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on January 29, 2007, 08:12:06 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/OTMA/ot1898.jpg)
Young Tatiana and Olga perched on a donkey, Peterhof 1898


Rare Photo of OTMA
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Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on January 29, 2007, 08:21:54 AM
One has to ask what makes a photograph rare, that it has not been published in an English language book? With the assistance of Margarita Markova, I am posting below a few OTMA photographs, from Russian language books, that may not have been seen on this forum.

(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5755/01292006075339pm7ig.jpg)

A group photograph taken in 1897 at Peterhof park, from left to right, Empress Aleksandra Feodorovna, King Christian IX of Denmark, the Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna, Emperor Nikolas II and Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna.
....[in part]....
David

Two dogs. 

1) A collie.
2) Small white dog which looks like a small Spitz.  Or the white dog may be a Scottie???

Rare Photos of OTMA
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Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on January 29, 2007, 08:52:09 AM
I am taking liberation and posting something that might not be necessarily on topic for this thread... completely. It's a rare image (to me anyway) but it's of Alexei and not OTMA. It's too bad this wasn't a "Rare Picture" thread.

I was emailed this lovely image of Alexei earlier by Mr. Davies. New to me, and it seems to be in the same time and place as the first picture Mr. Davies sent me.

Enjoy
(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/876/agfascanwise16uc.th.jpg) (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=agfascanwise16uc.jpg)

Rate Photos of OTMA
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Reoly #16
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 23, 2007, 06:21:17 PM
(http://img424.imageshack.us/img424/569/imagesnyplelephantintsarskoese.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)

Take a look at the thread which talks about the Elephant House

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 23, 2007, 06:23:23 PM
(http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6838/chapterfive24sw.th.jpg) (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chapterfive24sw.jpg)

Seeing an animal chained up like this makes me sick.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 17, 2007, 04:47:48 PM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/MarieKittenAlone.jpg)
GD Marie and a kitten/cat.

Anyone know who's kitten/cat?

Name of kitten/cat?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: ImperialHighness on October 18, 2007, 01:21:25 AM
I m sorry AGRBear but this ist the GD Olga, not Marie. ;)
I think it was one of the palaces cats, they had quite a lot of them. A typical name for them was "Vaska" as it was told in one book about the Romanovs.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 18, 2007, 05:14:20 PM
OOOOooooops.

Sorry.

I was  using  information I was given.

So,  this is Olga.

Thanks for the correction.


AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: GDLynn on January 04, 2008, 10:36:45 PM
..[in part]...

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/HU042903.jpg)



Same dog???

the dog (or both dogs that you were asking about) looks like a Standard Japanese Chin...here's a photo (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/raybe77/JapaneseChin.jpg) I'm not sure who's dog it is though....


(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/MarieKittenAlone.jpg)
GD Marie and a kitten/cat.

Anyone know who's kitten/cat?

Name of kitten/cat?

AGRBear

I've always thought that Cat wasn't real...look fake to me!

Lynn
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on January 31, 2008, 11:47:33 AM
Maybe it's not a cat but a dog?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on January 31, 2008, 11:48:40 AM
...[in part]...
 
I love this picture

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/anna_11/5c19gr.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on January 31, 2008, 12:04:53 PM
I've read that the collar Joy wore was made by Faberge, as well as other collars for various pets. Can anybody tell me if this is true or post a few pictures of a "Faberge Collar" ?

It is true. Bob has seen one of the Faberbe dog collars.  I have never seen a photograph of them, as they are in private collections as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on May 23, 2008, 03:09:06 PM
Thanks, Grand Duke.

Quote
is this him?

(http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size3/D0140/1001784.jpg)

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on May 23, 2008, 03:26:27 PM
Quote

...[in part]..

(http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/870/oaf10014jl.th.jpg) (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oaf10014jl.jpg) (one of my favorit pictures)


Does anyone have this photo in a larger size?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on May 26, 2008, 07:19:05 PM
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6052/alexiiia11pg8366tt.th.jpg) (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alexiiia11pg8366tt.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on May 27, 2008, 03:16:25 AM
On www.dog.ru you can see Romanov pets. Joy, Vaska......
I think I have some pics. of Romanov family members with their pets, but already posted and seen images.  ;)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on September 12, 2008, 11:53:57 AM
Posted by: AGRBear  Same dog???
the dog (or both dogs that you were asking about) looks like a Standard Japanese Chin...here's a photo I'm not sure who's dog it is though....
This dog perhaps King Charls Spaniel.Shi always love King Charls.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on September 12, 2008, 12:04:24 PM
One has to ask what makes a photograph rare, that it has not been published in an English language book? With the assistance of Margarita Markova, I am posting below a few OTMA photographs, from Russian language books, that may not have been seen on this forum.

(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5755/01292006075339pm7ig.jpg)

A group photograph taken in 1897 at Peterhof park, from left to right, Empress Aleksandra Feodorovna, King Christian IX of Denmark, the Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna, Emperor Nikolas II and Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna.
....[in part]....
David
Two dogs. 
1) A collie.
2) Small white dog which looks like a small Spitz.  Or the white dog may be a Scottie???
Rare Photos of OTMA
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Sorry! Not two digs, 3 dogs. Watch in left from tail big dog(collie). There littly sit dog(terier Ehra?)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 14, 2008, 10:47:23 AM
Just read my last entry.  My goodness,  the words are scrabbled.  Wonder how that occurred.

Next entry is about Alexander II found in Katharine MacDonogh's REIGNING CATS AND DOGS p. 53:

>>Princess Felix Salm-Salm recalled being joined by Alexander II as she walked on the promenade at Ems in Germany in 1870: 'after half an hour, which passed in a very pleasant and interesting conversation, His Majesty left, quite alone and unattended as he had come, except by a large mastiff, which followed him everywhere like his shadow.'  The dog died in 1881 when a bomb was thrown into the royal carriage.<<

Anyone know the dog's name?  Anyone know of a photograph?

Thanks.

AGRBear

See photo of mastiff:
http://www.breederretriever.com/photopost/data/520/medium/mastiff1.jpg
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 14, 2008, 10:55:29 AM
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/212/449352780_7b297d0e77.jpg)

i've always liked this photo of alexander

Found under "Rulers Prior to Nich. II" and thread titled "Alex. II and Princess Dolgorukya"

This dog is not a mastiff.  Almost looks  a large setter with white markings.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 14, 2008, 11:00:30 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/katia1wm.jpg)


Princess Dolgorukya and her dog
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 14, 2008, 11:20:48 AM
The interiors of the Palace were lost after 1917 but thanks to contemporaries of Grand Duke and  wonderful book “Pershinskaya ohota” (“Pershino’s Riding to hounds”) by D.Valtsov we can learn something about them and see some pictures. All the walls in the palace were covered with the pictures, photos, engravings, prints of the dogs and a lot of hunter’s stuff (antlers, horns, stuffed animals and so on), such as here:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/diningroom-1.jpg)

This is Dining Room in the Palace

And this is a staircase in the entrance hall

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/staircase.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 14, 2008, 11:24:36 AM
How Cute !!   :)
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7267/acutepupmq8.jpg)


Diss. Imp. Fam. and Eurp. Royal, thread is Windsors
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 14, 2008, 11:38:20 AM
My friend was kind enough to translate several Maria´s letters from Tobolsk to English. Here´s the first one:

Maria Nikolaevna to Z. S.Tolstoy

"We have a quite life. We take walks twice a day, as usual. Now it's fine weather, though these days it's been very cold. It's still warm at your place? I'm envious that you see beautiful sea.
Today at 8 in the morning we had breakfast.
I'm so happy that they let us go to church. Certainly, it can't be compared to our church but it's much better then sitting at home.
At the moment we all are in the room. My sisters are writing too, and the dogs are running around and jumping at our knees.
I often recall Tsarskoe selo and jolly concerts in army hospitals. Do you remember how funny it was when wounded men danced?
I also recall our walks in Pavlevsk, your small crew, morning walks.
I feel like all this hasn't happened a long time ago, has it?
But now I have to stop writing.
I wish you all the best, to your family and Dalya.
Many kisses.
Greetings from my heart.
Maria

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 14, 2008, 11:50:10 AM

...[in part]...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/TheVladmirevitchifamily1883.jpg)

Andrei (far right) with his brothers Boris (left) and Kyrill, his little Sister Elena (in her mother's arms) and his parents the Grand Duke and Grand Duchess Vladimir.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/meify008.jpg)

Andrei (far left) with is brothers Kyrill (left) &  Boris and his sister Elena.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on September 14, 2008, 12:37:09 PM
How Cute !!   :)
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7267/acutepupmq8.jpg)


Diss. Imp. Fam. and Eurp. Royal, thread is Windsors
Qгeen Alexandra(England) sister Maria Fedorovna -Dagmar?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 08:57:47 AM
Yes, this is Dagmar, mother of Nicholas II and her dog, a Japanese Chin.

Children of  Christian IX, King of Denmark and his wife Loise of Hesse-Cassel had the following children:
Frederick VIII, King of Denmark m. Louise,daul. of Charles XV of Sweden and Norway
Alexandra who m. Edward VII, King of Gt. Britain
George I, King of Helenes m. Olga, dau. of Constantine, GD of Russia
Maria (Dagmar) m. Alexander III, Emp. of Russia
Thyra m. Cr. Pr. of Hanover
Waldemar m. Mary, dau. of Robert, D. of Chartres
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 09:08:25 AM
Japanese Chin / Japanese Pug

History:
http://www.puppy-central.com/japanese-chin-puppy/information.html

Pamela Cross Stern wrote:
>>Japanese Chin History: A relative of the Pug and Pekingese, the Japanese Spaniel, or Japanese Chin as it is known in some circles,  has a regal history, dating back to the Imperial court of Japan. Cherished companions of Japanese nobility, the Japanese Chin could only be owned by elite members of the royal court. Pampered to extremes, it is said that they even fed them sake at the royal table - a drink intended to stunt their growth. The Japanese Chin found it's way to Britain in 1853, when a pair that was given to a British trader was presented them to Queen Victoria, the first canine gifts presented to any member of the royal family. Japanese Chins were originally exhibited under the breed name Japanese Pug at a dog show held in 1862, and they soon became popular with the public, due to their noble heritage and charismatic charm.<<

as well as some photographs of what this breed looks like today.


Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 09:21:49 AM
Love the beautiful plaque :)......

(http://www.btinternet.com/~sbishop100/alicky6.jpg)

.....and love the pug  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 09:29:26 AM
She seems to have liked these dogs.  :)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/germany/img649aw.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/germany/VictoriaZoubkoff.jpg)

Hohenzollern
Victoria of Schaumberg, Lippe, Princess of Prussia

Beautiful looking Borzoi


Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 09:33:39 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borzoi


>>"Borzaya" ("quick dog") is a Russian term for various types of native sighthound. The Russkaya Psovaya Borzaya (Psovoi - the longhaired borzoi) is the dog we know as Borzoi. The system by which Russians over the ages named their sightdogs was a series of describing terms, not actual names, which makes the use of Borzoi for the Psovaya a mistake made by the first Western exporters of the breed. "Psovaya" means "longhaired", just as "Hortaya" (as in Hortaya Borzaya) means shorthaired. Other Russian sightdog breeds are e.g. "Stepnaya Borzaya" (from the steppe), called "Stepnoi" or "Krimskaya Borzaya" (from the Crimea), called "Krimskoi".<<

>>In the 1917 Revolution, large numbers of native Psovoi were destroyed by the revolutionaries. The Tsars had turned them into a symbol of affluence and tyranny, and they were not welcomed into the new world of the Soviet Union. Some noblemen took it upon themselves to shoot their own dogs rather than allow them to fall into the hands of militants and be cruelly tortured. However, the Psovoi survived along with the other borzaya variants in the Russian countryside.<<
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 09:43:19 AM
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/historybuff2283/new1/th_Scan10004.jpg) (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/historybuff2283/new1/Scan10004.jpg)

Prince Vladimir Emmanuelovich Golitsyn (1884-1954). ca 1910 He was the adjutant of GD Nikolai "Nikolasha" Nikolayevich. Vladimir, like the Grand Duke, was a breeder of Borzoi. This photo was taken of Vladimir with his dogs at the Borzoi Trials at GD Nikolai's estate Pershino in Tula Province. Vladimir would later marry the Romanov descendant Countess Ekaterina Georgievna Carlow (1891-1940).
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 09:45:22 AM
Quote
The only mention of the Borzoi, with any connection to the IF, is to Grand Duke Nikolasha. I remember reading in many dog books about their popularity during the early 1900s and found it odd that they are hardly mentioned.

Queen Alexandra made the breed popular in England, as she was an early owner of the breed in England, one of the first being the Duchess of Newcastle who imported some of the dogs from one of the Tsar's kennels and founded the Borzoi Club in 1892. Alexandra received a leash of them from either Aleander III or Tsar Nicholas II in the late 1890s/early 1900s. QA was devoted to her dogs called Alex, who was the most frequently shown and an undefeated champion, Ajax who also won many prizes as well as one named Vassilka.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/c1_1_bw.jpg)

Queen Victoria also had a Borzoi, perhaps even as early as their first showing in Britain, in the mid-1860s, possibly given to her by Tsar Nicholas I. Edward VII, when Prince of Wales, also had 2 of them--Molodetz and Oudalska.

Since they aren't a breed that's very safe with small dogs, as their instinct is to chase anything which runs, her Borzoi must've put quite the fear into many of her lapdogs. She was also particularly fond of Japanese chins and was frequently photographed holding one (or more) or with some small dogs at her feet.

If you go here

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?theme=ANIMALS&object=40030&row=67&detail=about

you can see a Faberge Borzoi given to QA by EVII c.1908.

From that site:

"The painting Queen Alexandra with her Grandchildren and Dogs by Frederick Morgan and Thomas Blinks, shows the Queen outside the kennels at Sandringham in 1902 surrounded by a variety of dogs including a borzoi and two collies." This is that painting:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/ws_collie_barsoi_1641w.jpg)

Various members of the Russian Imperial family and nobility kept extensive hunting kennels of the breed and organized large wolf-hunting parties with the dogs. The most famous of these legendary Russian kennels was that owned by the GD Nicholas (who purchased the the famous Perchina Borzoi in 1817) and founded a very renowned kennel at Perchina and the best of the early importations into England belonged to this strain. GD Nicholas Nikolaivitch purchased the famous Perchina Borzoi in 1817. The famous "Bransgore" strain  in England came from the original Russian stock.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 09:53:32 AM
Further to add to our information on Imperial dogs, I have found an article of a visit to Russia in 1907 researching borzoi with a reference to the Imperial Kennels of Gatchina and GD Nikolai Nikolaivitch's Kennels:

http://www.batw.net/borzois.com/zoi_info/thomas1907.html

Joanna
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 10:02:40 AM
Quote
These are the only photos I can think of with a dog on the Standart. I think it's probably MF's dog, though. It only appears in photos with her...
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/th_scan0007.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/scan0007.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/th_6-138.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/6-138.jpg)


Alexandra did have a dog -- some kind of terrier named Eira. I'm sure you can find a photo of her (I've seen it, but I don't have it) on this thread, which AGRBear maintains rather faithfully:
Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Link List (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,2541.0.html)
The bred of dog is Japanese Chin
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 10:21:23 AM
Back to the   Queen Victoria and the others:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/alicky8.jpg)

Are the dogs Jack Russels? They look to small to be English Fox Hounds.

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 10:47:32 AM
Here are some images:

with Waldemar and George (I couldn't even hazard a guess as to what they're all thinking)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/scandinavian/m1975011125611.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/scandinavian/m1975011124981.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/scandinavian/m1975011124921.jpg)

with her horse and pets:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/scandinavian/marieorleanspets.jpg)

with her dogs:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/scandinavian/marieorleansdogs.jpg)

Danish royals
Princess Marie
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 11:00:46 AM
Boris with his wife Zinaida Rachevskya. They married in 1919.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/romanov/16BorisVladimirovitch.jpg)

Vladimirivichi:
Vladimir, Meichen and family
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 11:03:03 AM
Like these ones?

...[in part]....


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/elena/el5.jpg)

Vladimirivichi:
Vladimir, Meichen and family
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 11:31:13 AM
One of my favourite pics of Maria Pavlovna

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/PrincessMaria.jpg)

Imperial Family
Marie Pavlovna Jr. and her son Lennart
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on September 15, 2008, 12:10:28 PM
How Cute !!   :)


Diss. Imp. Fam. and Eurp. Royal, thread is Windsors
Qгeen Alexandra(England) sister Maria Fedorovna -Dagmar?
I"m sorry, AGRBear! My english!!! Photo - Qгeen Alexandra(England). She is sister Maria Fedorovna -Dagmar.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 05:44:15 PM
This is Dagmar, who is the sister of Alexandra.   

This post was in the section talking about Alexandra. 

Sorry that my post confused you.



AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2008, 05:52:17 PM
engaged

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/romanov/HU0249092.jpg)

....[in part]...


Imperial Family
GD Dmitri

GD Dmitri and Audrey Emery whom he married
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 16, 2008, 01:57:12 PM
Vera lived a good part of her life with her childless aunt Olga Nicolaievna, Queen of Wurttemburg. Vera then married a Wurtt. herself.

Vera & Olga
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/vera20kon20olg20wurtt.jpg) (from Camera and the Tsars)


Imperial Family:
GD Konstantin N. and Alexandra Iosifovna
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 16, 2008, 02:02:50 PM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Sebastiao/015.jpg) GD Alexandra Iosifovna

Imperial family
GD Konstantin N. and Alexanra Iosifoovna
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 16, 2008, 02:08:16 PM
...[in part]....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/landt019.jpg)

Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna with her oldest daughter Olga, Queen of Greece. (c-1900).


Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 16, 2008, 02:39:09 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/booboogbs/MichaelNatashababy.jpg)

...[in part]...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/booboogbs/DimitriNatasha1916.jpg)

The second photo shown here shows in the background photos of some of the Romanov horses that were bred in Russia

Imperial Family section:
GD Michael.....

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 16, 2008, 02:41:46 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/countessbanddaughter.jpg)


Countess Brassova (far right) with friends at her's and  Michael's country estate. The Little girl is her daughter Natalia ( " Tata" ) by her first marriage.........
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Michael HR on September 16, 2008, 03:06:08 PM
They really were a family of animal lovers.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 16, 2008, 03:12:52 PM
It would appear that they were animal lovers. 

I, too, love my animals.

My husband often says that if he dies,  he can return to this earth as an animal,  he wants to return as dog in my home. :>)


AGRBear

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 16, 2008, 03:13:20 PM
Mikhail, MF and Alexander III
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/Dagmar/dagal3mis.jpg)

..[in part]...
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Michael HR on September 16, 2008, 03:26:31 PM
I had 7 cats to start with 21 years ago and now have only one left. They have been the heart and soul of my life and could not imagine the last years without them. I absolutely dread the day soon to come, Amber is nearly 16 now, when I walk in and there is no one here. Animals are our friends and companions on the road we walk and who walk with us for a while but enrich life beyond all imagination.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 16, 2008, 03:52:54 PM
Have you ever wondered how cats get their fish for dinner but never get their feet wet?

At this time we have three cats,  Sugar, Cream and Squash.

AGRBear

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 16, 2008, 03:53:44 PM
Here are some cute pics of him as a little boy with his family. Please post more if you have them.

(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/anniekit/Romanovs/1877n.jpg)

...in part]...

Nicholas II section:
Nicholas as a child
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 16, 2008, 04:17:49 PM
Article about the Hermitage cats:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7029370.stm
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 16, 2008, 04:36:14 PM
Kittens on the Sandart:

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/GDsAlexesiKittens.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 10:25:45 AM
Xenia as a little girl
...[in part]....

From the same sitting in 1883. Here with her mother

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1883-.jpg)
Section:  Imperial Family
Thread: Gr. Duchess Ksenia and GR Alexander
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 10:32:42 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/MinnieconSandroXeniaandsons.jpg)

Section:  Imperial Family
thread: GD Ksenia and GD Alexander
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 10:56:40 AM
A little more history on the Borzoi:
1.

http://www.solarnavigator.net/animal_kingdom/mammals/borzoi_dog.htm

>>The Borzoi was probably first brought from Arabia to Russia in about 1600. There, this elegant sight hound was adopted by the nobility, crossed with longer haired sheepdogs and used as a fierce and brave wolf hunter, earning the name Russian Wolfhound. The Russian nobility bred and hunted with these dogs for hundreds of years. Eventually the Borzoi's popularity spread throughout Europe. Queen Victoria owned Borzoi's, and many of the British aristocracy soon followed suit. The breed became favored for gifts among royalty. The Borzoi became more docile as his use as a companion dog increased. The name comes from the Russian word 'borzii' which means swift. The Borzois talents include hunting, sighting and lure coursing. <<

2.

http://www.essortment.com/all/borzoidogsruss_rkmb.htm

>>One of the main men who bred and hunted the Borzois before the Russian Revolution was the Grand Duke Nicholas, uncle to Czar Nicholas. It is said he would ship complete hunting parties that included up to a hundred dogs and horses to various areas of Russia to hunt a variety of game although his favorite was wolf. It was the job of the Borzois to follow the wolf by sight, not scent, trap it and hold it until the hunters following on horseback could catch up.

There was a time between 1815 and 1861 when some breeders were outcrossing to other breeds and the true Borzoi came close to being lost.

Thanks to the Grand Duke and a wealthy landowner Artem Boldareff, a Borzoi club was formed which advocated the breeding and protection of the Borzoi in its ancient type. It is due to these two men’s efforts that today’s Borzoi is of the type it is.

Although the first Borzoi to come to America arrived in 1889 and was owned by William Wade of Pennsylvania, C. Steadman Hanks imported the first Russian born Borzoi to his Seacroft Kennels in Massachusetts.

In 1903 another Borzoi fancier, Joseph Thomas imported several dogs directly from the Grand Duke’s Perchino Kennels and Artem Boldareff’s Woronzova Kennels. It is from these dogs the majority of today’s American Borzoi can be traced back to <<

3.
http://www.judgesl.com/Borzoi/history.html
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 11:34:39 AM
continued on  Borzoi:

3.

http://www.judgesl.com/Borzoi/history.html

>>Whatever may have been the exact origin of the Borzoi, the ancient type described by the "standard" of 1650, were certainly bred for speed, having little or no stop to the skull, tremendous depth of chest, rather flat sides, and a great length of tail, the hair frequently trailing the ground. The hair was long and silky and apparently every color from black to pure white was acceptable. It is not surprising that this generally elegant, aristocratic dog, the Borzoi, has lived a precarious life: his existence has been threatened primarily because of his association with the nobility. Shortly after the Napoleonic Wars, with the revival of sporting activity, experiments were instituted in which foreign hounds of the Greyhound type were crossed with the "ancient" type of Borzoi. <<

4.
http://www.theborzoiclub.org.uk/Pages_bc/longborzoi.htm

>>The Psovoy (meaning long coat) Borzoi is the type known today throughout the world. The breed is very old and the exact date of his origin is hidden. However, Russian archives record that in the twelfth century members of the Grand Duke Vladimir's court used Borzoi to hunt wolves and other game. The hounds were described as very tall, having long legs for speed and a long dense coat to protect them from the cold winters. Their appearance differed greatly to the hounds used for hunting in Europe that were shorthaired.<<
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 11:53:59 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duke_Nicholas

>>Nicholas was one of the great hunters of his day. Ownership of borzoi hounds was restricted to members of the highest nobility, and Nicholas's packs were famous. As the Russian dogs perished in the Revolution of 1917-18, the borzoi of today are descended from gifts he made to European friends before World War I. In his lifetime, Nicholas and his dogs caught hundreds of wolves. A pair of borzoi were used which caught the wolf, one on each side, while Nicholas dismounted and cut the wolf's throat with a knife. A hard working man, hunting was his major recreation, and he travelled in his private train across Russia with his horses and dogs, hunting while on his rounds of inspection.<<

There must be a photo of the Grand Duke with his Russian Wolfhounds.  Please,  let me know where one is so I can copy it and post it here.

Thanks.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 09:11:57 PM
More "young Dagmar" ;)


(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff260/helenintroy/DagmarwithherdogBeauty.jpg)



Dagmar with her dog "Beauty"

Section:  Marie Feodorovna
Thread: Young Dagmar
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 09:16:01 PM
Here's one of the three Glucksburg girls:
(http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/5479/2449473440094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2449473440094285158eBXYoz)

...[in part]...


Section: Marie Feodorovna
Thread: Young Dagmar
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 09:24:09 PM
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You seem to have a good collection of Maria, do you have others from this session ?  :)

...[in part]....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/1003.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 09:36:06 PM

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Alexandra_Marie_0.jpg)
...[in part]....
  RN

Section: Maria Feodorovna
Thread: More Mariia Feodorovna
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 09:38:34 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/19082pe.jpg)
And thier is also this one is a complete other picture but its in the same house and maybe its taken a day earlier or some thing.
The date is 1908.

 RN

Section: Maria Feodorovna
Thread: More Mariia Feodorovna
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 09:40:07 PM
An other taken the same day :

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/ma.jpg)

Section: Maria Feodorovna
Thread: More Mariia Feodorovna
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 09:41:44 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/MinnieSashaMichael.jpg)
Yes she does ;) here she is with Sasha and her son Michael.

RN

Section: Maria Feodorovna
Thread: More Mariia Feodorovna
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 09:43:47 PM
Youre welcomme..and thank you for the other picture gdella.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/minnydog11vc-940.jpg)
This one shows Minny with her dog.
...[in part]....

Section: Maria Feodorovna
Thread: More Mariia Feodorovna
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 17, 2008, 09:46:57 PM
Thanks you for all these VERY, VERY nice photos, Svetabel... Very interesting to see them.

You are welcome. :)

Some more

MF and her son, Emperor Nikolay

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/mfnik.jpg)

Section: Maria Feodorovna
Thread: More Mariia Feodorovna
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 18, 2008, 12:33:09 PM


It looks like this photo was taken during the time the famous Felix Yussupov painting with his dog was made. I thought it was an interesting picture...

(http://img49.exs.cx/img49/4544/felix2iy.jpg)

Section:  Imperial Family
Section The Yussupovs
Thread:  All Felixis photos
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 18, 2008, 01:08:39 PM
No problem Margarita. It was posted some time ago but as always I saved it just in case it was removed. Not sure who posted it, I want to say Annie, but I'm not totally sure.  :-\

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/new20061776-1.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/Untitled-7.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 18, 2008, 01:18:40 PM
I'm not sure if any of you would have seen this portrait before ?

It was painted by Johannes Linse (1875-1930)


(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e63/jybenton/JRWYBTIN442.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 19, 2008, 01:08:22 PM
A web site that talks about Ortino, a bulldog and her mistress GD Tatiana:
http://bullmarketfrogs.com/blog/?p=307
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: mitia on September 20, 2008, 12:46:32 PM
Dear AGRBear, this link + article about Ortino was very interesting in its days, but is a bit dated now as we are getting updated news thanks to Russian / or " who can speak and read Russian " members of this forum ( particularly on the thread Alexis had a dog named Shot ).
As to the tiny and very beautiful Fabergé figurine shown in the article, it is not displayed in the museum of L'Hermitage in St Petersbourg, but in the Armoury museum of the Kremlin in Moscow. It may be nice to think that this figurine was part of GD Tatiana's presumed small collection of Ortino's figurines, but I am not sure there is genuine evidence for this, nor for the rather similar ( but less beautiful IMO ) Fabergé french bulldog figurine displayed at Cleveland museum.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Michael HR on September 21, 2008, 01:46:49 AM
Thank you for the link Bear it was interesting. Nicely written bar a tiny mistake about where they are buried.

Shows the love the family had for animals that we know so well.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 22, 2008, 10:31:37 AM
Thank you for the link Bear it was interesting. Nicely written bar a tiny mistake about where they are buried.

Shows the love the family had for animals that we know so well.

I added a note on the web site about the family being buried in Pig's Meadow.  I did not mention the Faberge figurine.  Perhaps milita would like to make this correction.
AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 22, 2008, 10:32:05 AM
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I never realized that the Duke of Cumberland resembled (at least in my eyes) King Christian. Thank you for the correction! How odd that Thyra’s hair went white before Maria and Alix’s.

y'know, you may be correct about the gentleman being their father, king Christian.....  now that i think about it, i believe i've heard/read both men mentioned as the fourth player.

but that is Thyra.   at least in the later part of her life, she always had much lighter hair than her sisters & it's often difficult  to tell, sometimes, in b&w fotos, if hair is blond-ish or white.   but, think, her hair did go white before her sisters (but keep in mind that wigs & hairpieces were used to disguise greying hair, at least in Alexandra's case...  but i don't think i've ever heard that MF did that.  i tend to think she didn't.

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Mariia Feodorovna on horseback
(NOTE:  these have all been posted before, by myself & others, but never together.)

click on images for larger version
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/dagmar_astride.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/dagmar_astride.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/dagmarmounted3.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/dagmarmounted3.jpg)

Sharleman's sketches for a statue
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/dagmarbySharleman-1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/dagmarbySharleman-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/dagmarbysharleman_2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/dagmarbysharleman_2.jpg)

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Michael HR on September 22, 2008, 10:34:41 AM
I recall the article said they were buried in Moscow but of course they are buried in St P. It was this that I was referring to and sorry if I caused any confusion. Was the figure found with them? As Ortino seems to have been killed that night and placed with the bodies I suppose the figure might have been with them in the grave but I do not know. I wold have thought such a item would have been removed by the butchers.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 23, 2008, 10:54:37 AM
Since this is a thread about pets,  I've asked the question over on another thread:

It is believed that Tatiana's dog, Ortino, was killed in the early morning hours as were Nicholas II and his family.  Were his bones found in the mass grave?  If not,  were the dog's bones found anywhere?  Maybe,  at the Four Brother's Mine?  I remember there were small animal bones found at the mine.  Some were chicken bones.... 

We know about Jemmy's, the Springer Spaniel's,  corpse being found in July of 1919 by the Whites. 

AGRBear

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/TatianaAnabullDog.jpg)
Anastasia and Tatiana holding Otino, a French Bulldog
1917

Follow the thread and the answers about Tatiana's dog and what happen to him.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 23, 2008, 11:15:13 AM
Does anyone know what book this is from? (The seller usually sells reprints from Russian books not commonly available in the US)

(http://www.sellersourcebook.net/users/52804/lko_020.jpg)

Section: Hessen-Darmstadt
Thread: Hessen Family Photos
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on September 25, 2008, 12:17:31 PM
Since this is a thread about pets,  I've asked the question over on another thread:

It is believed that Tatiana's dog, Ortino, was killed in the early morning hours as were Nicholas II and his family.  Were his bones found in the mass grave?  If not,  were the dog's bones found anywhere?  Maybe,  at the Four Brother's Mine?  I remember there were small animal bones found at the mine.  Some were chicken bones.... 

We know about Jemmy's, the Springer Spaniel's,  corpse being found in July of 1919 by the Whites. 

AGRBear

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/TatianaAnabullDog.jpg)
Anastasia and Tatiana holding Otino, a French Bulldog
1917

Follow the thread and the answers about Tatiana's dog and what happen to him.

AGRBear
AGRBear! Jemmy is not  the Springer Spaniel,  Jemmy - King Charls Spaniel!
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on September 25, 2008, 12:28:32 PM
Alexandra Feodorovna, on Horse, 1913 (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandra%20Fjodorovna/alix1913.jpg)
Empress on Horse (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandra%20Fjodorovna/alixhorse.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 27, 2008, 07:22:08 AM
Since this is a thread about pets,  I've asked the question over on another thread:

It is believed that Tatiana's dog, Ortino, was killed in the early morning hours as were Nicholas II and his family.  Were his bones found in the mass grave?  If not,  were the dog's bones found anywhere?  Maybe,  at the Four Brother's Mine?  I remember there were small animal bones found at the mine.  Some were chicken bones.... 

We know about Jemmy's, the Springer Spaniel's,  corpse being found in July of 1919 by the Whites. 

AGRBear

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/TatianaAnabullDog.jpg)
Anastasia and Tatiana holding Otino, a French Bulldog
1917

Follow the thread and the answers about Tatiana's dog and what happen to him.

AGRBear

I stand corrected.

Jemmy was the Japanese Chin
Joy was the Springer Spaniel
Ortino was the French Bull Dog.

Sorry for the error.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on September 27, 2008, 02:35:48 PM
Sorry, AGRBear . Jimmy is present from Anna Virubova and She letter: «…У них был маленький Буль Ортипо и Джимми - Кинг-чарльз, которого я  подарила и которого нашли убитым в екатеринбургском доме…»
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 29, 2008, 10:50:44 AM

AGRBear! Jemmy is not  the Springer Spaniel,  Jemmy - King Charls Spaniel!


SORRY!  AGAIN.

I've been neck deep in adding on to our house,  and,  I seem to have gotten myself twisted  around in  dogs, their names and their pedigrees.

Jemmy/Jimmy is a King Charles Spaniel
Joy was the Springer Spaniel
Ortino was a French Bulldog.

Bear will, now,  sit in a corner without a jar of honey for a minute or two to regather accurate information in wooly brain head ..... :>)



Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 29, 2008, 11:57:53 AM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Jemmy.jpg)

Jemmy, a King Charles Spaniel
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 29, 2008, 12:02:45 PM

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/OrthinoBullDog.jpg)

Ortino, a French Bulldog

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 29, 2008, 12:04:56 PM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Joy.jpg)

Joy, a Springer Spaniel

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on September 29, 2008, 03:10:05 PM
Yes! Very good work, Bear is diligent!
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on September 29, 2008, 03:17:37 PM
Olga Nicholaievna (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Olga/Olgavrt1899.jpg), in garden with two dogs, if I see correct.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 29, 2008, 05:31:45 PM
Thanks Nena.

Here is some additional information about Jemmy.

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A very kind reader of the Alexander Palace site, Francesca Belanger,  contacted us about the caption of the photo of the "second" Jemmy in the photo showing the dog in Anastasia's lap, the dog she took with her to Siberia. Our identification of that dog as a "Japanese Spaniel" may be incorrect.

We took that description from Sidney Gibbs' own testimony to Sokolov about that dog:"Anastasia had a small dog, I only know that it was a Japanese breed.  It was very small with long fur, reddish-brown...His characteristic traits were very large round eyes, his teeth uncovered, a long tongue which hung out of his mouth, I don't know which side.  He was called Jemmy.  The dogs of this breed were miniscule and were often carried in the arms.  He belonged to Anastasia, but everyone loved him, the Empress in particular..... Gibbs identified the corpse found as Jemmy without question. We used this as the basis for our attribution as a "Japanese Spaniel" belonging to Anastasia.

SO, Francesca is a dog fancier, who said that while the first Jemmy, seen in Vyroubova's photos on board the Standardt was definately a Japanese Spaniel, properly called a "Japanese Chin", the second Jemmy, in Siberia, did not resemble the breed, but rather looked like an English Toy Spaniel. We sent her close ups of the dog from that photo, and Francesca responded to us recently:
"I heard back from my friend Michele Blake, who breeds Japanese Chin, and she thinks Jemmy was an English Toy Spaniel, too, based on the picture. I did some research in Hutchinson's Dog Encyclopedia, published in the 30's, and saw photos of ETS's that look a lot like the little dog Anastasia is holding. In addition to Jemmy's solid-color head, there is also the issue of the ear-set. The Chin's ears sit higher on the head, while the ETS's head is very domed and the ears appear to join onto the head at a lower point than they do on a Chin. The English Toy Spaniels of today look different from some of the more delicate type I saw in Hutchinson's"

Nick and Geoffrey are both correct! The English Toy Spaniel is today properly called the "King Charles Spaniel"!

Quote

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/KingCharles-SpanBW.jpg)

The color in the photos seem to show an all black dog.

Today the colors shown in the US are Black and Tan, solid rich reddish-brown with white markings...

Japanese Chin is white and black.

The Pekinese can be all colours.

AGRBear

Section:  Myth and Legends
Thread:  Were there any survivors?....
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 29, 2008, 06:00:29 PM
Japanese Chin

(http://www.omikudzi.ru/img/1.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 30, 2008, 10:06:56 AM
..[in part]...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Koloagirl/1000214.jpg)

One of my absolute favorites -- I love seeing him with his dogs
Section:  Nicholas II
Thread: Photo of Nicholas II
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 30, 2008, 10:31:31 AM
And this Collie/Shepard is Iman,  I believe.


Thanks, Grand Duke.

Quote


(http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/870/oaf10014jl.th.jpg) (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oaf10014jl.jpg)



Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 30, 2008, 02:00:03 PM
Here is a little more information on breeds of dogs found in Russia:

http://dogbreeds.bulldoginformation.com/russian-dog-breeds.html
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on September 30, 2008, 02:07:14 PM
Sorry, AGRBear, I think name of dog was Voron.  :)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 30, 2008, 02:37:43 PM
Sorry, AGRBear, I think name of dog was Voron.  :)

Yes.  

This time my fingers just struck the wrong key.

Thanks for the correction.



AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 30, 2008, 02:39:00 PM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AnastasiaJemmyWb.jpg)

I was sent this photo.   

Is the pup Jemmy?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on September 30, 2008, 02:59:17 PM
I don't know, it looks like a Teddy-bear rather than dog, but correct me if i am wrong....
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 01, 2008, 10:31:32 AM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AnastasiaJemmyWb.jpg)

I was sent this photo.   

Is the pup Jemmy?

AGRBear
The pup not Jimmi. The pup similar "Померанский шпиц" to. I think the pup is Швыбзик (Shwibzik)/ But he living little.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 01, 2008, 10:51:42 AM
Thanks Nena.

Here is some additional information about Jemmy.

Quote
A very kind reader of the Alexander Palace site, Francesca Belanger,  contacted us about the caption of the photo of the "second" Jemmy in the photo showing the dog in Anastasia's lap, the dog she took with her to Siberia. Our identification of that dog as a "Japanese Spaniel" may be incorrect.

We took that description from Sidney Gibbs' own testimony to Sokolov about that dog:"Anastasia had a small dog, I only know that it was a Japanese breed.  It was very small with long fur, reddish-brown...His characteristic traits were very large round eyes, his teeth uncovered, a long tongue which hung out of his mouth, I don't know which side.  He was called Jemmy.  The dogs of this breed were miniscule and were often carried in the arms.  He belonged to Anastasia, but everyone loved him, the Empress in particular..... Gibbs identified the corpse found as Jemmy without question. We used this as the basis for our attribution as a "Japanese Spaniel" belonging to Anastasia.

SO, Francesca is a dog fancier, who said that while the first Jemmy, seen in Vyroubova's photos on board the Standardt was definately a Japanese Spaniel, properly called a "Japanese Chin", the second Jemmy, in Siberia, did not resemble the breed, but rather looked like an English Toy Spaniel. We sent her close ups of the dog from that photo, and Francesca responded to us recently:
"I heard back from my friend Michele Blake, who breeds Japanese Chin, and she thinks Jemmy was an English Toy Spaniel, too, based on the picture. I did some research in Hutchinson's Dog Encyclopedia, published in the 30's, and saw photos of ETS's that look a lot like the little dog Anastasia is holding. In addition to Jemmy's solid-color head, there is also the issue of the ear-set. The Chin's ears sit higher on the head, while the ETS's head is very domed and the ears appear to join onto the head at a lower point than they do on a Chin. The English Toy Spaniels of today look different from some of the more delicate type I saw in Hutchinson's"

Nick and Geoffrey are both correct! The English Toy Spaniel is today properly called the "King Charles Spaniel"!

Quote

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/KingCharles-SpanBW.jpg)

The color in the photos seem to show an all black dog.

Today the colors shown in the US are Black and Tan, solid rich reddish-brown with white markings...

Japanese Chin is white and black.

The Pekinese can be all colours.

AGRBear

Section:  Myth and Legends
Thread:  Were there any survivors?....


The dog, seen in Vyroubova's photos on board the Standardt was definately a Japanese Spaniel, properly called a "Japanese Chin", and thes dog not Jimmi. Thes dog belonging Maria Fedorovna. Gibbs is not  a dog fancier, Jimmi is Virubova present and She letter KING CHARLS SPANIEL. What is not understand?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 02, 2008, 06:02:41 PM
Yes,  I understand Jemmy,  the dog  Anastasia had with her in Ekaterinburg was  a King Charles Spaniel, who was a solid reddish-brown color.

Since I do not know anything about the photo with the dog in Anastasia's lap,  which means I don't know when and where it was taken, therefore,  I did not know if the puppy is or is not Jemmy.   Evidently,  you do not believe the puppy in Anastasia's lap is Jemmy.  Is this correct?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AnastasiaJemmyWb.jpg)

AGRBear

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 03, 2008, 09:22:26 AM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Jemmy.jpg)

Jemmy, a King Charles Spaniel

Where is this photo taken and where can I find it?  A book? 

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AnastasiaJemmyWb.jpg)

Victory wrote: >>The pup not Jimmi. The pup similar "Померанский шпиц"<< [I don't know what this says.  Sorry.] >> to. I think the pup is Швыбзик<< [??] (Shwibzik)/ But he living little.<<

Where is this photo found?  When and where was it taken?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 03, 2008, 09:34:23 AM
... [in part]...

 (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a313/Chrissy_88/th_anotherpivall.jpg) (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a313/Chrissy_88/anotherpivall.jpg)


Two white dogs:  One small and one very large.


Section:  Nicholas II
Thread: Nicholas as a child
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 03, 2008, 09:51:22 AM
The whole family in Gatchina, at their private garden. I tried to find out any picture of Alexander III and Nikolay together and...find out just another wonderful family photo! :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/al3.jpg)

Section:  NIcholas II
THread: Nicky with Alex. III
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 03, 2008, 10:16:57 AM
yes i thinkn so as well!
she would have been a stunner!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/fencergirl_42/Black%20and%20%20White/th_ana34.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/fencergirl_42/Black%20and%20%20White/ana34.jpg)
i adore this one!

The rest of the photo?

I'm pretty sure the dog that Anastasia was holding on a leash on the Standart was not Shvibzik. Shvibzik died of cerebral inflammation in mid 1915. Which was about the same time as when the picture of Anastasia in the motorcar with a dog was taken. Shvibzik was also a type of pomerianian dog which is what the "teddy" is. The dog in the Standart picture is clearly not.


Victory tells us this is Shvibzik a Japanese Chin.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 03, 2008, 10:28:26 AM
.....[in part]...

Olga, Alexej, Anastasia, Tatiana
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2341/oaf12252qm.th.jpg) (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oaf12252qm.jpg)


(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Jemmy.jpg)

The complete photo.

(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2341/oaf12252qm.jpg)

A King Charles Spaniel

Photo taken in  Tobolsk,  I believe.

Section:  The Final Chapter
Thread: Captivity photos
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on October 03, 2008, 01:50:50 PM
It was actually taken at Tsarskoe Selo, spring/may of 1917, at Alexander Palace garden.  :D
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 04, 2008, 01:55:04 AM
yes i thinkn so as well!
she would have been a stunner!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/fencergirl_42/Black%20and%20%20White/th_ana34.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/fencergirl_42/Black%20and%20%20White/ana34.jpg)
i adore this one!

The rest of the photo?

I'm pretty sure the dog that Anastasia was holding on a leash on the Standart was not Shvibzik. Shvibzik died of cerebral inflammation in mid 1915. Which was about the same time as when the picture of Anastasia in the motorcar with a dog was taken. Shvibzik was also a type of pomerianian dog which is what the "teddy" is. The dog in the Standart picture is clearly not.


Victory tells us this is Shvibzik a Japanese Chin.

[/quote
AGRBear ! "Victory tells us this is Shvibzik a Japanese Chin" . No, You tangle (путать). Not Japanese Chin, I letter Shvibzik  - померанский шпиц - the is pomerianian dog (toy spitze)! Big white spitze belong Ksenia Alexandrovna and Zinaida Jusupova.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Michael HR on October 04, 2008, 03:50:07 AM
This was taken I believe at the back of the AP in 1917.

.....[in part]...

Olga, Alexej, Anastasia, Tatiana
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2341/oaf12252qm.th.jpg) (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oaf12252qm.jpg)


(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Jemmy.jpg)

The complete photo.

(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2341/oaf12252qm.jpg)

A King Charles Spaniel

Photo taken in  Tobolsk,  I believe.

Section:  The Final Chapter
Thread: Captivity photos
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 04, 2008, 11:03:55 AM
Obviously,  Bear is confused.

It was actually taken at Tsarskoe Selo, spring/may of 1917, at Alexander Palace garden.  :D


This was taken I believe at the back of the AP in 1917.

.....[in part]...

Olga, Alexej, Anastasia, Tatiana
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2341/oaf12252qm.th.jpg) (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oaf12252qm.jpg)


(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Jemmy.jpg)

The complete photo.

(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2341/oaf12252qm.jpg)

A King Charles Spaniel

Photo taken in  Tobolsk,  I believe.

Section:  The Final Chapter
Thread: Captivity photos

Dog's name is?
Breed of dog is?


Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 04, 2008, 11:11:07 AM
yes i thinkn so as well!
she would have been a stunner!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/fencergirl_42/Black%20and%20%20White/th_ana34.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/fencergirl_42/Black%20and%20%20White/ana34.jpg)
i adore this one!

The rest of the photo?

I'm pretty sure the dog that Anastasia was holding on a leash on the Standart was not Shvibzik. Shvibzik died of cerebral inflammation in mid 1915. Which was about the same time as when the picture of Anastasia in the motorcar with a dog was taken. Shvibzik was also a type of pomerianian dog which is what the "teddy" is. The dog in the Standart picture is clearly not.


Victory tells us this is Shvibzik a Japanese Chin.

[/quote
AGRBear ! "Victory tells us this is Shvibzik a Japanese Chin" . No, You tangle (путать). Not Japanese Chin, I letter Shvibzik  - померанский шпиц - the is pomerianian dog (toy spitze)! Big white spitze belong Ksenia Alexandrovna and Zinaida Jusupova.


(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AnastasiaJemmyWb.jpg)

I was sent this photo.   

Is the pup Jemmy?

AGRBear
The pup not Jimmi. The pup similar "Померанский шпиц" to. I think the pup is Швыбзик (Shwibzik)/ But he living little.


Do I have this right: The black little teddy bear dog  is a toy spitze named Shvibzik which died very young??
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 04, 2008, 12:59:15 PM
I just noitced that I didn't complete my post #6399.  This should have been added to it.

>>I should note: All the books I have with the photo of Anastasia and the little dog in her lap  have captions that the dog's name is Jemmy and that this dog is a King Charles Spaniel.<<

This link takes you to a photo of a Japanese Spitz pup (white Teddy bear):
http://www.dailypuppy.com/puppies/Simba-the-Japanese-Spitz_2006-08-30


AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 04, 2008, 01:30:12 PM
Oh, yes, Bear! In the books write about peopls! The dogs, cats - secondary( второстепенно)! Not for you, my! :-) Sorry, I not know how (не умею)  show photo. This adress photo the little pups pomerianian dog (toy spitze)! http://www.spitz-club.ru/puppies.htm  Look myself ( посмотрите сами).
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 04, 2008, 01:45:06 PM
About Shvibzik (Швыбзик): письмо Ольги Николаевны:
«…Настаська и Швыбзик Тебя целуют и идут спать. Татьяна сидит около и читает, а Мама с Мари играют в колорито Ортипо спит у её ног….» (5 апреля 1915 год).
Письмо Марии: «Мой золотой Папа! Я сейчас сижу около Мама, у неё на ногах лежит Швыбзик, Анастасия рисует. Ольга и Татьяна уехали в лазарет к Вартанову… Маленький Швыбзик только что сделал «губернатора» у Мама на ковре и Анастасия теперь его обучает…» (5 апреля 1915года).

Снова Ольгино письмо от 11 апреля:
«…Сейчас идет большая возня. Ортипо носится по комнате, а маленький Швыбзик пищит…».
Далее у Анастасии (12 апреля):
«Мой золотой Папа! Мы только кончили обедать, и Швыбзик возится с Ортипо ужасно… Мы пили чай в столовой и почти всё время там играли в разные игры. Швыбзик, конечно, был там. Виктор Эрастович думает, что Швыбзик будет хороший водолаз. Пруд перед подъездом, почти там нет льда, так приятно. Ольга играет на рояле. Так скучно, завтра уроки. Я хочу завтра поехать на велосипеде. Мне так стыдно, что мысли у меня так разбросаны…». А вот, что написала отцу Мария 18 апреля 1915 года: … Я посадила к себе на колени Швыбзика, но он пожелал на пол… Мама посылает Анастасию спать, а она в отчаянии не может найти Швыбзика, который пропал без вести, все его кричат и зовут, но он не идет, мерзавец. Его наконец нашли через 10 минут, мы все его искали под диванами. Наконец Мама решила залаять, и Швыбзик ответил тоже лаем, и оказалось, что он сидит у Мама под кушеткой, и его с общими усилиями вытащили… К нам в спальню пришел Алексей, теперь он лежит у меня в постели и играет с Анастасией и Швыбзиком. Сестры еще спят, Швыбзик пищит, наверное, он хочет видеть генерал-губернатора. Он уже это делал, и Анастасия прибежала с лопаткою от камина и подобрала…».
Письмо Анастасии 14 июня 1915года:
«…А все таки скучно без душки «Швыбзика»…». 
Сестра Николая II, Ольга Александровна написала в письме к племянницам в июне 1915 года:
«Я никогда столько цветов не получала. Санитары мне подарили большую вазу для цветов на стол и написано от кого и 1 июня 1915 г …Так жаль Швыбзика! Плакала ли?..».

Остается сделать вывод, что собаки не стало. Может поэтому Анна Вырубова и дарит Анастасии другую собаку - Джимми.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 04, 2008, 06:26:03 PM
Yes Victory_L.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AnastasiaJemmyWb.jpg)


I, also, think the pup looks like a Japanese  Spitz

Victory_L.  believes the  dog's name is "Shvibzik".   Does everyone agree?



AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 04, 2008, 06:34:35 PM
Dog named SHOT???

A mention of Shot in one of Aleksei's letters on the main APTM site:

Oct. 26, 1914
"...Today we are going to make another fire. At 6 p.m. Mother, sisters and I will go to the Palace's hospital. Shot and Ortino [dogs] are playing. The weather is fine but there is very little snow. I stay out of doors for a long time every day and go for drives in the motor-car. I've begun reading stories by cossack Lugansky..."


However, this must be a second dog named Shot, as according to Olga's letter of 18 October the dog had just died. I don't have my Russian dictionary with me, so correct me if I'm wrong in translating Olga's letter thus:

"...Aleksei's Shot died. We buried him today on the island, and he [Aleksei] now has his [Shot's] brother, also [called] Shot."

(Thanks to Laura Mabee for helping with this!)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 04, 2008, 06:38:03 PM
Dogs:

Shot, Ortino and Shvybzik are mentioned:

Not ORTINO. ORTIPO!

I've been doing some research about that dog's name, too, and I think you're correct. I'll start a new thread about it when I have a little more information. ; )

No, the name is Ortino.

We have our own copy of Alexei's letter to Nicholas and this is the exact translation we got from one of Bob's people in Petersburg at the time:

Oct.26,1914,  "...Today we are going to make another fire. At 6 p.m.
pp.22,23.     Mother, sisters and I will go to the Palace's hospital.
              Shot and Ortino are playing. The weather is
              fine but there is very little snow. I stay out of doors
              for a long time every day and go for drives in the
              motor-car. I've begun reading stories by cossack Lu-
              gansky..."

here are from Anastasia to Nicholas:

Oct.28, 1914, "...Ortino and Tatyana are running about the room now.
p.44.         Mother is going to receive Maklakov at 9 a.m. and
              Malama will come, too, which is very pleasant. I took
              this picture of myself looking at the mirror. It was
              very hard as my hands were trembling.
              ...I had 7 classes today and tomorrow I am going to
              have 4 or 5... I am having a Russian class now and
              Pyotr Alexeyevich is reading Turguenev's "The Hunter's
              Notes" to us..."

Jan.30,1915,  "...I taught Ortino to sit up and beg and today I've
p.58.         taught her to give her paw and now she can do it. She
              is so sweet..."

March 7,      "...I'm so grateful to you that you allowed us to use
1915,p.61.    your bath. We bathed there yesterday. It was such fun!
              I was the first to go. There was much water. I was able
              to swim around the bath and then jumped down from its
              sides. It was terrific! Then Maria and I played in the
              water for some time but, unfortunately,I had to get out
              soon. Ortino was running about all the time and barking.
              After that Olga and Tatyana bathes and also enjoyed
              themselves!... Mother has already got in her room the
              flowers which you like. You know those blue flowers
              which grow in front of Grandmother's windows. They have
              just opened. Tomorrow is Sunday. It's so good not to
              have lessons when you can lie about in bed longer than
              usual... All of us are kissing you including Ortino
              who is running about here like a mad dog... She is
              such a dear..."

Apr.7,1915,   "...We have just finished dinner. Mother is lying and
p.64.         sisters are sitting nearby. Tatyana is out, of course,
              as usual. Shvybzik and Ortino are lying in Mother's bed
              and sleeping. They are such darlings..."

Several spellings of Ortino are found.

More about Ortino:
As I recall, there were two Ortinos.  The first one was a gift from Dmitri Malama in 1914. He died about a year later in Sept. 1915, and when Malama heard about it, he sent another similar dog to Tatiana in early 1916, which Tatiana also named Ortino.

Telegram, NII to AF
5 September 1915
Many thanks for yours and Marie's letter. Too bad about Ortipo. Just got your telegram...

A note from the editor explains that the family's female bulldog had just died. However, the letter of 17 September 1915 Victory_L. quoted says that "Ortipo" had just given birth, and that the mother and puppies were brought up for Tatiana to see. So unless Malama replaced Tatiana's dog almost instantly with a pregnant female, something is amiss! I'm looking through Sisters of Mercy and so far havent found any reference to the dog dying in September of 1915. According to Greg King there was a reference to Ortino/Ortipo's death in a letter from AF to NII on 5 September, but I've read Alexandra's letter from that date and found nothing.

Other references to Ortino/Ortipo in The Complete Wartime Correspondence:
Letter, AF to NII
28 November 1915
Ortipo is lying on my bed & sleeping fast.


Letter, AF to NII
17 March 1916
My little Malama came for an hour yesterday evening, after dinner at Anias. We had not seen him for 1 1/2 years. Looks flourishing more of a man now, an adorable boy still. I must say, a perfect son in law he wold. have been -- why are foreign Pces. [princes] not as nice! Ortipo had to be shown to his "Father" of course.

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 05, 2008, 11:39:06 AM
Theme "Ortipo"-"Ortino" already discuss, look   http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=11782.0
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 05, 2008, 11:42:47 AM
 Saruchka letter :This is driving me bats -- I've been chasing this question for months and keep going around in circles. Lili Dehn, Valentina Chebotareva, Sisters of Mercy, and Complete Wartime Correspondence all spell the name with a "p". Since it seemed likely they had worked from original documents, I was inclined to trust Fuhrmann and SoM.

Rob, do you have facsimiles of those letters in the IF's own handwriting that you can check? Obviously the name is getting botched in transliteration *somewhere,* and the only way I can come up with to be sure is to look at the IF's actual handwriting in Russian and/or English. My best guess is that the similarity between the handwritten "н" (n) and "п" (p) in Russian is the culprit...
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 05, 2008, 07:14:52 PM
It might be Pavillion....
Also, These were taken in same day, by Pierre Gilliard:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/th_IzjednogstarogalbumaAleksejiTatjana.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/IzjednogstarogalbumaAleksejiTatjana.jpg)


Another photo of Ortino/Ortipo

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/IzjednogstarogalbumaAleksejiTatjana.jpg)

1917??
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 05, 2008, 07:27:11 PM
Jemmy's Death:

Quote
Penny,
Our copy of Kudrin's testimony from 1963 says only:

He bent over the tsar.
"The end of the Romanov Dynasty, right?! Yes...
The Red Guard brought out Anastasia's lap dog on a bayonet. When we passed the door to the upstairs, we heard a long pitous wail in the leaves.  It was the last salute to the Emperor of all Russia.  The dog's corpse was thrown beside the tsar.
"Dogs die a dog's death," said Goloshchyokin contemptuously."

The difficulty here is one we had to wrestle with-and we may be wrong-but we believe Kudrin is mistaken in identifying the dog thus killed as Jemmy, i.e., Anastasia's dog (not that his ownership is any clearer since Anna Vyrubova says she gave the dog to the girls in general, not to Anastasia).  This is from memory, but if I recall correctly Kudrin had previously never been in the Ipatiev House-so first one must ask how he knew this was Anastasia's dog?

More generally, the problem is that if we're talking about Jemmy-and if one assumes for the sake of argument that he was thus killed and thrown into the Ganina Mine where he was later found-it doesn't fit with the known facts.  I know nothing of veterinary medicine or forensics, but Summers and Mangold did consult experts for "The File on the Tsar," and they present a pretty strong case that Jemmy, found in the mine in June, 1919, hadn't been there very long, and hadn't been dead very long.  While a lot of their other assertions are no longer valid, this is one of their strongest points, indicating I think that the White investigators probably planted Jemmy's body there to be found.

Based on this-and in reading through their analysis it isn't a huge leap of faith-Jemmy would have had, of necessity, to have survived into spring of 1919.  Since Joy was found in the possession of Michael Letemin, that leaves only one dog-Ortino-that could possibly have been killed on the night of the murders as Kudrin says.  So it seemed reasonable, as someone unfamiliar with the family and their pets, that he simply misidentified the dog killed that night.

This may not be correct, but it accounts for what Summers and Mangold uncovered about Jemmy's condition when retrieved from the shaft-a condition that indicated he had not been dead for long (and perhaps there were suspicions about this, hence the absurd stories that the Bolsheviks built a false floor to conceal the dog, or that Jemmy was frozen in ice-neither of which was true), and also for Kudrin's account of a dog having been killed that night.

As with all things, it is an issue that has to be looked at and examined carefully, especially given the above, and the fact that Kudrin's memoirs contain a number of errors that undermine their veracity.  He was certainly there, but I wouldn't take his identification of the dog as particularly definitive given what we know now about Jemmy's condition.

Greg King


Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 06, 2008, 07:28:40 AM
When Greg King written him book? In 1934 г.Yurovski (руководитель расстрела Царской семьи) written: «…Хотя я их предупредил через Боткина, что им с собой брать ничего не надо, они однако набрали какую-то разную мелочь, подушки, сумочки и маленькую собачку (little dog)». По воспоминаниям пулеметчика Дома особого назначения Сухорукова А.А.: «Все арестованные были одеты, по обыкновению, чисто и нарядно. Царь на руках несет своего сына дегенерата царевича Алексея. Царевна дочь Анастасия несет на руках маленькую курносую собачку (carry in hands little dog about short nose), эксимператрица под ручку со своей старшей дочерью - Ольгой.»
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 06, 2008, 07:58:34 AM

 In dokuvents bu N.Sokolov: "Труп собаки самки.

Собака была найдена 25 июня 1919 года на дне открытой шахты. Благодаря низкой температуре в шахте труп хорошо сохранился.

Правая передняя лапа сломана. Череп пробит, отчего, по заключению врача, и произошла ее смерть.

Гиббс показал: “У Анастасии Николаевны была очень маленькая собачка  с длинной шерстью (very little dog have long hairs). Окрас ее был черно-рыжий(black- red-haired)... Ее отличительные приметы были вот какие: у нее были большие круглые глаза; зубы ее были обнажены и постоянно виднелись, язык у нее был длинный и висел изо рта, не помню, на какую сторону. Кличка ее была Джемми. Такие собачки — очень маленькие, и их часто носят на руках. Принадлежала она Анастасии Николаевне dog belong Anastasia Nikolaevna), любили эту собачку они все, а в особенности Императрица. Я сегодня видел собачку у шахты. Я утверждаю, что эта собачка, которую я видел у шахты, и есть Джемми. Я обратил внимание и на ее шерсть, и на форму глазных впадин, и на зубы. Это безусловно она”.

Тутельберг, Теглева и Эрсберг также опознали ее (Tutelberg. Tegleva and Ersberg know body dog).   Why  we  doubt  over 90 year?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 06, 2008, 10:42:13 AM
Victory_L,

I'm sorry,  but most of us do not read nor write Russian.  Could you translate for us, please?

My entry of Greg's posts was to just give us additional information and his opinion.


AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 06, 2008, 10:42:55 AM
I'm new here, but I'd need some help identifying people in this picture. I suppose it was taken at Yalta in 1891, in the silver wedding of tsar Alexander III and Empress Maria Feodorovna.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/nanamoura/familia_imperial.jpg)

I believe I've identified some people at the picture:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/nanamoura/familia_imperial_1.jpg)

1 - GD Alexander Mikhailovich (?)
5 - GD Ksenia Alexandrovna
7 - GD Olga Alexandrovna
8 - GD Alexandra Iosifovna (?)
10 - Tsarevich Nicholas Alexandrovich
11 - Empress Maria Feodorovna
12 - GD Michael Alexandrovich (?)



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/nanamoura/familia_imperial_2.jpg)
14 - GD Nicholas Nikolaievich (?)
16 - GD Dmitri Konstantinovich (?)
19 - GD George Alexandrovich (?)
20 - GD Konstantin Nikolaievich (?)
21 - Tsar Alexander III
23 - GD Andrew Vladimirovich (?)
24 - GD Vladimir Alexandrovich (?)


Any guess?

Showing this because there is  the large white dog.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 06, 2008, 01:44:10 PM
You look translation in text: russian text (next english ) - the is translation importants moments. My english - is not good. Very good translation  Sarushka and Nena! Please, You ask translation their.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on October 06, 2008, 01:56:00 PM

 In dokuvents bu N.Sokolov: "Труп собаки самки.

Собака была найдена 25 июня 1919 года на дне открытой шахты. Благодаря низкой температуре в шахте труп хорошо сохранился.

Правая передняя лапа сломана. Череп пробит, отчего, по заключению врача, и произошла ее смерть.

Гиббс показал: “У Анастасии Николаевны была очень маленькая собачка  с длинной шерстью (very little dog have long hairs). Окрас ее был черно-рыжий(black- red-haired)... Ее отличительные приметы были вот какие: у нее были большие круглые глаза; зубы ее были обнажены и постоянно виднелись, язык у нее был длинный и висел изо рта, не помню, на какую сторону. Кличка ее была Джемми. Такие собачки — очень маленькие, и их часто носят на руках. Принадлежала она Анастасии Николаевне dog belong Anastasia Nikolaevna), любили эту собачку они все, а в особенности Императрица. Я сегодня видел собачку у шахты. Я утверждаю, что эта собачка, которую я видел у шахты, и есть Джемми. Я обратил внимание и на ее шерсть, и на форму глазных впадин, и на зубы. Это безусловно она”.

Тутельберг, Теглева и Эрсберг также опознали ее (Tutelberg. Tegleva and Ersberg know body dog).   Why  we  doubt  over 90 year?


Dog was found on June 25, 1919 on the bottom of the open mine. The corpse was preserved well because of the low temperature in the mine. Right front paw is broken. Skull damaged, why, on the conclusion of doctor, and occurred its death. Gibbes showed/said: “In Anastasiy Nikolaevna was very small trigger with the long fur. It was black- red… Its distinctive signs were here what: it has large round eyes; its teeth were exposed and constantly they were seen, language in it was long and hang from the mouth, I do not remember, to what side. Its nickname was Jemmy. Those dogs(are) - very small, and them frequently they carry them on the hands. It belonged to Anastasia Nikolaevna, loved this dog they everyone, and as particular Empress. I today saw trigger in mine. I assert that this trigger, which I saw in the mine, and it's Jemmy. I focused attention to its fur, to the form of eye sockets, and to the teeth. This unconditionally it”. [Tutelberg], [Tegleva] and [Ersberg] also identified it.

So - Mr. Gibbes claimed it was Jemmy.
 
Sorry if the translation is bad.....
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 06, 2008, 02:57:14 PM
Thank you Nena for the translation.



AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 06, 2008, 02:57:35 PM
Hi,me again! More Pic.of our dear tsarevich:
1914,Crimea,Livadia:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/P1030381-1.jpg)
...[in part]....
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 06, 2008, 03:20:03 PM
There are several threads which discuss the dog found at the bottom of Four Brothers Mine.  You can follow one of the links to one of the discussions:

More on the findings of Jemmy/Jimmy, the dog.

p. 164 of Summers and Mangold's book THE FILE ON THE TSAR:

"In June 1919, when the dog was found, General Domontovich, the White military governor of Ekaterinburg, was in charge of the mine operation during the temporary absence of General Diterikhs (see plate 40)."

They go on to say that it was possibly under Gen. Domontovich's orders that the dog was planted just before the Whites had to pull out....  They, also, state that the Reds had just as many reasons to plant the dog in the mine.  So, what it seems,  someone had planted the dog but no one is sure by whom.

"...it would have ben impossible for Jemmy's body to have survived so well in its watery grave for a year."  Then goes on to say forensic evidence implied that Jemmy was dead only a few days.

Anyone know more about Gen. Domontovich?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 07, 2008, 12:39:40 PM
Bravo, Nena! Thank you for the translation.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 09, 2008, 10:30:21 AM
Gilliard's memory about Royal Family Pets:

#1
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/2006pierre/chapter_VI.html

>>... He was also fond of playing with his donkey Vanka, which was harnessed to a sledge, and his dog Joy, an attractive little liver spaniel with short legs, and long silky ears which almost touched the ground.
Vanka was a creature of quite unusual intelligence and sense of humour. When the idea of giving Aleksey Nicolaievich a donkey had been mooted, all the horse-dealers in St. Petersburg, had been referred to in vain. Cinizelli's Circus had then agreed to part with a thoroughbred animal which had grown too old to perform any longer. Thus had Vanka come to Court, and he seemed to be immensely attached to the young family. He certainly was most amusing, for his repertoire of tricks was quite inexhaustible. In the most expert manner imaginable he would turn out your pockets in the hope of discovering delicacies. He was particularly fond of old india rubber balls, which he would quietly chew, closing one eye like an old Yankee.

These two animals played a large part In the life of Aleksey Nicolaievich, for his amusements were few. Above all, he was very short of playmates. The two sons of his sailor Derevenko, his ordinary companions, were much younger than he, and had either the education nor the development desirable.<<
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 09, 2008, 10:32:24 AM

I thought that Olga had a cat as well.  I believe his name was Vas'ka...Interesting to hear that Aleksey's cat was the "only cat" in the household. 
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 09, 2008, 10:50:52 AM
Voeikov's memories.

The Heir's cat:
Emperor spent all aummer at GHQ, almost without break. Heir was all the time with him. Once, while we were talking about the animals, I said to Aleksei Nicholaievich that I have on my 'farm' same sort of cats, which are intersected sort of    marten and 'home' cats, and very remember to Siyam
( cats) ones. They were so beautiful: color like chocolate, with blue eyes, etc.......Heir asked me for one for bring to him.
I went to my farm for days. When I returned, I saw Aleksei Nicholaievich who awaited for me, with question: " But where is a cat?" I didn't brought it, and Heir was very dissatisfied with me, and criticized me because of this.

Next time, I gave him wicker with a cat. He was dithyrambic. To Sisters (OTMA) a letter was sent, and they wanted some too......


Sorry, I transalted from my book to English. Just wanted to say that Count Voyeykov gave to Aleksei a cat. In 1916. I think boy was happy without the end.  :D
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 09, 2008, 05:11:45 PM
On the first, you can see Nicholas, Alexandra and Olga baby with Danish relatives, during a stay at the court of King Christian IX :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/OTMA/th_boinden.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/OTMA/boinden.jpg)

...[in part]...


Section:  Having Fun
Thread:  Rare Pic VI
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/OTMA/boinden.jpg)

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 09, 2008, 05:23:03 PM
A special treat for those members who haven't yet seen Prince Michael of Greece's album. I spent a couple hours scanning the photos that I thought were not so well-known as well as a few that are (since I think I got some pretty large scans of them). On a few of the "rarer" photos, I focused in on the Grand Duchesses' faces for a different look at the photo. I've also done this on a few of the better known photos. I've marked those with an asterisk (*) and if any of you would like to see a closeup of any of them, just PM me and let me know which you'd like to see.
...[in part]...

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/Michael%20of%20Greece%20Album/withdog.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 11, 2008, 10:10:56 AM
Voeikov's memories.

The Heir's cat:
Emperor spent all aummer at GHQ, almost without break. Heir was all the time with him. Once, while we were talking about the animals, I said to Aleksei Nicholaievich that I have on my 'farm' same sort of cats, which are intersected sort of    marten and 'home' cats, and very remember to Siyam
( cats) ones. They were so beautiful: color like chocolate, with blue eyes, etc.......Heir asked me for one for bring to him.
I went to my farm for days. When I returned, I saw Aleksei Nicholaievich who awaited for me, with question: " But where is a cat?" I didn't brought it, and Heir was very dissatisfied with me, and criticized me because of this.

Next time, I gave him wicker with a cat. He was dithyrambic. To Sisters (OTMA) a letter was sent, and they wanted some too......


Sorry, I transalted from my book to English. Just wanted to say that Count Voyeykov gave to Aleksei a cat. In 1916. I think boy was happy without the end.  :D

And continuation this history look you   http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=10546.30
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 11, 2008, 12:03:39 PM
Link to a portrait of "Old Blue Eyes"

http://www.dailypainters.com/paintings/27321/Old-Blue-Eyes-6x6-oil-Siamese-cat/Carol-Nelson
(http://www.dailypainters.com/images/origs/1063/old_blue_eyes__6x6_oil_siamese_cat.jpg)

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 11, 2008, 12:08:31 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/Alexei/asdfffffffff.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 11, 2008, 12:14:59 PM
http://www.catsofaustralia.com/siamese.htm

Siamese:  Chocolate Point
(http://www.catsofaustralia.com/images/siamese_cat_necklace.jpg)



Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 13, 2008, 09:46:23 AM
...[in part]....
And this one is very intereseting, but I am looking for bigger:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_62c5_1.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/62c5_1.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/62c5_1.jpg)

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 13, 2008, 09:49:49 AM
Finally:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Big%20Pair/th_auntyolgatatyaolish.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Big%20Pair/auntyolgatatyaolish.jpg)


(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Big%20Pair/auntyolgatatyaolish.jpg)

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 13, 2008, 10:12:56 AM
Hi, Amanda_Misha, here is one of GD Michael:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_mihailpas.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/mihailpas.jpg)
Look around, I am sure you'll find more!  :)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/mihailpas.jpg)

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on October 13, 2008, 01:58:18 PM
Alexander III:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_AIIIa.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/AIIIa.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 13, 2008, 04:40:06 PM
Thanks Nena.

I think Alex. III's dog was an English Mastiff


A good site for information:

http://www.rencentral.com/jul_aug_vol1/mastiffs.shtml
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on October 14, 2008, 04:32:02 AM
You are welcome!
Aleksei Nikolaevich and Vanka, 1909 (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/foto-224_b.jpg).
Aleksei on horse, Tsarskoe Selo, 1911 (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/46a88485.jpg).
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 14, 2008, 09:45:23 AM
Alexander III:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_AIIIa.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/AIIIa.jpg)

modern English Mastiff (http://www.puppyparadise.com/Breeds/mastiff.jpg)

I may have been mistaken as I look at the larger version of the photos above.  The dog in these photos look more like a large German Shepherd. 

AGRBear



Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 14, 2008, 09:55:46 AM
Alexander III:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_AIIIa.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/AIIIa.jpg)





Good day, AGRBear ! This dog is Sibirian laika and name Kamchatka. Nena, please enlarge inscription under  this photo.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 14, 2008, 10:17:28 AM
Thank you Victory_L, again.

Here is a great site with a marvelous photo of a Siberian Laika:


(http://www.laiki.ru/images/2222.jpg)

A Bea-u-ti-ful  Dog!

Beware if you scroll down the page,  you will find this dog injured and bloody so if you have a soft heart and weak stomach,  don't look.
But I need to give the credit: http://www.laiki.ru/laikazapad.html
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 14, 2008, 10:29:45 AM
West Siberian Laika:

http://www.devrolijkeviervoeters.org/fci062.htm#306

(http://www.devrolijkeviervoeters.org/images/westsib_laika01.jpg)

>>SHORT HISTORICAL SUMMARY: This breed was established by crossing the closely related Hantyisker and Mansijaker strains of Laiki with the dogs of the Russian hunters of the Northern Ural and Western Siberia. Apart from the native stock in the areas where hunting is practised, this breed is widely distributed in the middle zone of Russia, where there is a big number of these dogs produced at large breeding establishments. In quite a few hunting areas there are special kennels for the breeding of West Siberian Laiki.
We still can distinguish the Mansi- and Hanty-types of Laiki in this breed.

The Mansi Laika is lighter built, with narrower chest and longer legs. The head is more elongate with a longer muzzle.
The Hanty Laika is stockier built and slightly rangy. The head is broader and the muzzle is slightly shorter. The coat, especially on the neck and shoulders is stronger developed than in the Mansi Laika.<<

The dogs we see today are acceptable in todays dog shows.  Remember,  dogs in Alex. III's time were not established as they are, now.  But,  you do get the general look in most cases.  Dogs like the German Shepherd were not an established bred in Alex. III's time (died 1894).

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 14, 2008, 12:52:34 PM
Pulled it out of the photo and made Alex III's  dog, Kamchatka,  larger.
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AlexIIIsShephard.jpg)

What does "Kamchatka" mean when translated into English?


AGRBear

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on October 14, 2008, 02:23:46 PM
Kamchatka, to my knowledge,is part of Russia, on far east, near Japan.  ;)
Victory_L., I don't know what is note under photos, I can only recognise: 'Their Imperial Highnesses'
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 15, 2008, 09:37:59 AM
Nena! Enlarge impossible text in photo ?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on October 15, 2008, 02:42:33 PM
Sorry I don't know how to enlarge it... :(
Aleksei Nikolaevich:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_8bfd5048.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/8bfd5048.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 15, 2008, 10:25:17 PM
Victory_L.

Click on the photo and it becomes larger.  Click on the larger photo and it become even larger. 
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/AIIIa.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/8bfd5048.jpg)



Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Victory_L on October 16, 2008, 01:13:57 PM
 Thank you, Nena. Bear ! Photo of dog not click. :-(   
I want to read inscription.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 18, 2008, 08:54:37 AM
THe words don't become clearer if made larger than the two I enlarged for you above.

Sorry.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on October 18, 2008, 09:25:54 AM
IF at Tobolsk, winter 1917/8, I don't know if Joy is near woods:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/gradnjenjeledenogbregatlx1.jpg)
Sorry if this have been posted.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 20, 2008, 06:16:59 PM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/GogoOlgaCatAlexIIIChilds2.jpg)

Gogo and Olga
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Post by: AGRBear on October 21, 2008, 01:04:46 PM
http://news.webshots.com/photo/2436294980038578487YqBKMC

(http://thumb7.webshots.net/t/58/158/2/94/98/2436294980038578487YqBKMC_th.jpg) (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2436294980038578487YqBKMC)

Alexei getting ready to mount a horse
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Post by: AGRBear on October 24, 2008, 02:21:19 PM
IF at Tobolsk, winter 1917/8, I don't know if Joy is near woods:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/gradnjenjeledenogbregatlx1.jpg)
Sorry if this have been posted.

Thanks, again, Nena.

And, I'd really like to know where  you found this photo?
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Post by: nena on October 24, 2008, 04:17:58 PM
You're very welcome! I found it somewhere here, or from friend, I am not sure.

Tsar Nicholas II, Tsarevich Aleksei, Grand Duchesses OTMA, dog (?) and Count Voeikov, at General Headquartres, Mogilev,1916:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th_nickyotmadog.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=nickyotmadog.jpg)
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Post by: Michael HR on October 25, 2008, 02:44:13 AM
The IF were such animal lovers and is one reason why I always liked them so much. So touchiing that they took their pets into exile with them and would not be parted, even in death.
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Post by: Victory_L on October 25, 2008, 01:25:21 PM
You're very welcome! I found it somewhere here, or from friend, I am not sure.

Tsar Nicholas II, Tsarevich Aleksei, Grand Duchesses OTMA, dog (?) and Count Voeikov, at General Headquartres, Mogilev,1916:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th_nickyotmadog.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=nickyotmadog.jpg)

Nena! This dog is Joy.
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Post by: nena on October 25, 2008, 07:55:05 PM
Thank you very much! I wasn't sure.
Aleksei and Joy:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_aleksejdzojimperatorskiwr9.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/?action=view&current=aleksejdzojimperatorskiwr9.jpg)
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Post by: nena on October 27, 2008, 06:04:28 AM
At Tsarskoe Selo, spring 1917, I think I can see dog near Anastasia and Tatiana(I believe Jemmy),on far left:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/th_15752v.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/?action=view&current=15752v.jpg)
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Post by: Victory_L on October 27, 2008, 04:56:50 PM
Nena! You want see this  glade today?
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Post by: AGRBear on November 02, 2008, 08:22:33 AM
I think we may see more than one dog.  I've found two.  Possibly a third but the shadows makes it impossible to tell.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/AGRBear/dogs2GARDEN.jpg)

AGRBear

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Post by: nena on November 02, 2008, 09:12:08 AM
You are right!
Aleksei with sheep (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/628d973d.jpg).
Wih donkey at Livadia, 1909 or 1910:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/poni.jpg)
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Post by: AGRBear on November 09, 2008, 11:25:10 AM
Good link, nena -- two photos of Olga were new to me:
Olga and her regiment
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Regimentals/th_11.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Regimentals/?action=view&current=11.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Regimentals/th_23.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Regimentals/?action=view&current=23.jpg)





How attached were the grand duchesses to their horses?

AGRBear
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Post by: nena on November 09, 2008, 11:29:21 AM
That is good question, I don't know. IMO, they loved horses:
Olga Nicholaievna:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Olga/th_88ea41de.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Olga/?action=view&current=88ea41de.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Olga/th_Olga_konj.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Olga/?action=view&current=Olga_konj.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Olga/th_olgahorse.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Olga/?action=view&current=olgahorse.jpg)


Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 10, 2008, 10:14:58 AM
Do you have photos of the other grand duchesses on horses?

Olga's mount is a real beauty.

Is there any information about the Romanov's horses such as the breeding stock, where they were raised, etc. etc. etc. ?

I do remember posting about the Romanov's Horse Cemetery, however, I'd like to learn more about the horses when they were alive :>)


AGRBear

Horse Asylum & Cemetery: 

Excellent photo:  http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/archives/compress/2000/157/32.htm

Article written 1 Oct 1876 found in THE NEW YORK TIMES:  http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9905E0DE153FE63BBC4953DFB667838D669FDE
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Sarushka on November 10, 2008, 11:13:16 AM
According to Trewin's book, House of Special Purpose (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=9), Aleksei's dog Shot accompanied the IF to Tobolsk. Apparently he played the role of a poodle in a one-act farce, "The Crystal Gazer." The photo nena posted on 18 October showing a dog in the fenced yard of the governor's house in Tobolsk also appears in House of Special Purpose.


As for horses, Olga's 1913 diary mentions a few of the IF's mounts by name. For their regimental exercises on 5 August, Olga rode Regent and Tatiana rode Robino.
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Post by: nena on November 10, 2008, 03:00:13 PM
Nicholas II, by Grand Duchess Ally:
(http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/k38796.jpg)(http://)
Tatiana Nicholaievna:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Tatjana/th_31724715_3530964.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Tatjana/?action=view&current=31724715_3530964.jpg)
There are many of Nicholas II, Alexandra Feodorovna, Big Pair riding horse for regiments in 1913. Sarushka has some.
Since we don't have picture of Anastasia Nicholaievna with her regiment, only OTM.
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Post by: AGRBear on November 11, 2008, 11:18:58 AM
I've always been interested in horses, although since I've been married,  I've not kept up with this interest, however, from time to time I dig into the history of the Russian horses.   

The horses upon which the IF were photographs seemed to be Arabians or have some Arabian blood.

One of my ancestors raised cavalry horses for the officers of the Tsar's army.  As a side line he raised Arabians which he personally purchased in what known then as Persia.  The information on the bloodlines of these horses have been destroyed during the Civil War.  My family were friends with the author Leo Tolstoy's father, who raised horses, as well as the Orlovs, who raised the popular trotters.  One of my great uncles hobby was to find matched pairs, which he sold to the aristocrats for large sums of money.  People came to our family's place which had a large show ring to bid and hopefully purchase one of these highly prized beasts of burden.  To show off some of these horses one of my great uncles, who was a marvelous rider, raced just like one of the stories in one of the Tolstoy's book.  I remember reading this part of the book and it was like hearing my grandfather telling the story of his brother when he raced and won. 

Today, as I have time,  I'm going to dig around the internet and see what kind of sites I can find and hopefully find some interesting history of horses in Russia.

I'll start with the Orlov Trotters since I've mentioned them.

http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/horsesinhistory/orlovtrotter.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlov_Trotter

www.centralpets.com/animals/mammals/horses/hrs477.html

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/horses/orlovtrotter/index.htm

http://www.equisearch.com/breeds/russianorlov_051005/

>>History of the Orlov Trotter, Orlov-Rostopchin Breeds
The Orlov Trotter from Russia is one of the world's most rare horse breeds, but it is sometimes confused with the Orlov-Rostopchin, another distinctive Russian breed with a similar history.
By Laurie Bonner


The Orlov Trotter, a driving horse, has a long and naturally arched neck and a large head.
Photo courtesy of Edwina Cruise and the Kentucky Horse Park
Eighteenth century Count Alexei Orlov bred Arabian stallions with royal Spanish and Danish mares, as well as English Thoroughbreds, Dutch Friesians and other breeds, to produce the Orlov Trotter in the late 1700s.

But in addition to his Trotters, Count Orlov also used some of his same foundation Arabians to produce a saddle horse in the first decades of the 19th century. Orlov Riding Horses, as they were called, averaged about 16 hands with strong, athletic bodies, but also featured dished heads, swanlike necks and an elegant look. They were predominantly black.

At the same time, a rival breeder, Count F.V. Rostopchin was crossing his own Arabian stallions with Persian, Thoroughbred and Russian mares to produce a riding horse of this own. Rostopchin's horses were smaller, with shorter necks, but they were known for speed; his horses, too, were predominantly black.

In the 1840s, after their deaths, both breeders' studs were purchased by the state, and the two lines were combined into one breed, called the Orlov-Rostopchin (also called the Russian Saddle Horse). Many were lost during the wars of the 20th century, but enthusiasts have sought out survivors and are rebuilding the breed.
....<<

See more about the Orlov-Rostopchin breed:

http://www.ahorsebreed.com/

http://www.ahorsebreed.com/history.html
>>...after their deaths their studs were bought by the Crown, the Orlovs and Rostopchins were merged to give rise to Orlov-Rostopchins. The Orlov-Rostopchin combines the size, type and dressage abilities of the Orlovs and the speed of the Rostopchins.

In those days Russian breeding was dominated by the teachings of the French naturalist Buffon. Buffon maintained that crossing was the surest way to “reproduce the prototype” of a given animal species from “bits of perfection, which have been dispersed by God among individual breeds” and which through crossing and mixture “...combine to yield the supreme beauty.” All Russian breeders of the time went overboard in order to “reproduce the prototype,” with disappointing results.<<

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/orlov-rostopchin-horse/1706544261/?icid=VIDURVPET03

AGRBear
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Post by: AGRBear on November 11, 2008, 12:17:41 PM
Orlov horses continued:

http://webpages.charter.net/webman/Articles/Proud%20Black%20Horse%20of%20the%20Czars.html

>>...Shortly after German-born Czarina Ekatarina Alekseevna, also known as Catherine the Great, overthrew her husband, Czar Peter III, she rewarded her co-conspirator and lover, Count Orlov, a cavalry officer and avid horse breeder, with his choice of fine horses from her imperial stables.

The count picked Drakon, an Oriental stallion said to be Arabian (but probably a Turkoman, today's Akhal-Teke) previously presented to Catherine by the Shah of Persia; thirty-eight unraced, Russian-born English Thoroughbred mares; and a selection of Turkoman, Arabian, Karabakh, Neapolitan, and Danish Frederiksborg mares, which he transferred to Ostrov, his estate near Moscow.

From the beginning Count Orlov stressed type and beauty, trainability, intelligence, and disposition. Every horse bound for Ostrov's breeding sheds was schooled in dressage. Those unsuitable, he culled. He practiced judicious inbreeding, mating best to best. His superior Russian horse began to emerge.

Then, during the Russo-Turkish war, Catherine appointed him Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Mediterranean fleet. A brilliant military strategist, Count Orlov's forces pounded the Turks at the Bay of Chesman, for which Catherine bestowed upon him the surname addition 'Chesmensky'.

Perhaps more to his liking, by war's end he had purchased or taken as spoils of war twenty-one Oriental horses: twelve stallions and nine mares, including Sultan, a brown Turkoman, and a silver-grey Arab he renamed Smetanka.

Smetanka, the Count believed, was a wonder horse. He paid 60,000 gold rubles for the stallion, a staggering amount in an era when the sum total for all horses sold by Russian state studs that year (1774) amounted to just 5,609 gold rubles. To avoid the hazards of sea travel, he had the horse transported overland from Turkey to Russia by way of Hungary and Poland, under a protective charter issued by the Turkish government. The journey took two full years.<<

>>But those glory days paled. During World War I (in which 4.5 million horses on the Russian fronts were killed), the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, and the civil war that followed, the breed was all but annihilated.<<
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Post by: Sarushka on November 11, 2008, 04:06:01 PM
There are many of Nicholas II, Alexandra Feodorovna, Big Pair riding horse for regiments in 1913. Sarushka has some.
Since we don't have picture of Anastasia Nicholaievna with her regiment, only OTM.

This is the only regimental photo of Maria on horseback that I'm aware of:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Regimentals/th_mashahorseback.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Regimentals/?action=view&current=mashahorseback.jpg)

The vast majority of my regimental photo collection is on this thread: OTMA's regiments (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=10530.30).
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Post by: Peterhof on November 11, 2008, 07:42:50 PM
I think we may see more than one dog.  I've found two.  Possibly a third but the shadows makes it impossible to tell.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/AGRBear/dogs2GARDEN.jpg)

AGRBear



The third dog, most probably a cocker spaniel, is facing the black dog in the front (this black dog looks more like a small pig).
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Post by: Sarushka on November 11, 2008, 09:29:05 PM
The third dog, most probably a cocker spaniel, is facing the black dog in the front (this black dog looks more like a small pig).

Sounds like Joy and Ortino to me. (Looks like them, too.)
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Post by: nena on November 12, 2008, 04:26:55 AM
Or Jemmy and Ortino. Cause Tatiana and Anastasia are in photo. Just IMO.
One of GDs on horse (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/01.jpg), most probably Maria Nicholaievna. ;) 
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Post by: Sarushka on November 12, 2008, 08:02:48 AM
IMO, both dogs are too large to be Jemmy.

You're correct -- that's Maria on the donkey.
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Post by: nena on November 12, 2008, 01:16:31 PM
Yes, it is donkey!  ;)
Some of NII:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_05-29.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/?action=view&current=05-29.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_galina-08.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/?action=view&current=galina-08.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_0MakovskiyAV_ImpNikolayII_GRMmmprev.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/?action=view&current=0MakovskiyAV_ImpNikolayII_GRMmmprev.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_51.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/?action=view&current=51.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_55.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/?action=view&current=55.jpg)
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Post by: AGRBear on November 13, 2008, 10:26:51 AM
Horse Nicholas II rode during on his coronation day:

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/royalty/russia/coronation.html
>>The stunning splendour of the Imperial procession unfolded gradually, new groups of participants, one after another, joining this magnificent train. Preceding the Imperial procession rode the cavalcade of fourteen gendarme officers. Following them were the four sotnias (Cossack squadrons) of His Imperial Majesty's Own Escort, dressed in red Circassian coats and trimmed with silver lace. Next came His Imperial Majesty's Life-Guards Cossacks and, after them, horsemen mounted on beautiful half-tamed steppe and mountain steeds. The riders were valiant, dashing Central Asiatic and Caucasian Dzhigits, wearing oriental robes and Circassian coats embroidered in gold and silver. They were followed by the representatives of all Cossack troops. Some of the grey-haired veterans brought their grandsons with them, the little chaps seated in the same saddles. The group of attendants of the Household, musicians and hunters of the Tsar's hunt were a no less admirable sight. In the rear of that part of the procession were theHorse-Guards squadron of the Life-Guards Cavalry regiment, the horsemen wearing helmets and cuirasses, with broadswords gleaming in their hands. And then His Majesty the Tsar appeared. As befitting the occasion, he rode escorted by his lavishly brilliant suite. The Tsar was mounted on the half-bred English horse Norma, a thirteen-year-old light-gray dapple mare. The most splendid part of the procession were the fourteen coaches and phaetons covered with gold leaf and velvet, the train drawn by six horse harnessed in tandem. Some of the coaches, in the style of Louis XV, dated back to the reign of Empress Catherine II and Emperor Paul I. The coaches were adorned with paintings by the famous artists Boucher, Watteau and Gravelot. The other carriages, austere and massive, yet even more luxurious, came from the XII century. Each of the horses, beautiful and graceful, with golden trappings, was led by an equerry<<

On U-Tube, Nicholas II is shown mounting one of his horses:


http://video.aol.com/video-detail/czar-nicholas-ii-of-russia-from-1905-1868-1917/91948116

http://visualrian.com/images/item/27157
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Post by: AGRBear on November 13, 2008, 11:26:20 AM
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/stables.html

>>The old horses are allowed to walk about in the meadow during summer. On the other side of the stable is a burial ground where a row of marble slabs mark the resting places of the favorite horses. Here lies "Ami" the horse that was with the Emperor Alexander I in Paris; "Flora", the horse that carried the Emperor Nicholas at Varna; and "Cob" the horse, which the late Tsar Alexander III used to ride, when he reviewed his troops. <<

Alexander I - "Ami"

Nicholas I -  "Flora"

Alexander III - "Cob"
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Post by: AGRBear on November 13, 2008, 11:42:31 AM
Alexander II:

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1436566274016206116TUqoBt
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Post by: AGRBear on November 13, 2008, 12:15:13 PM
Alexander I of Russia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Alkruger.jpg/300px-Alkruger.jpg
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Post by: AGRBear on November 13, 2008, 12:23:09 PM

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/AIII/abastuman1896.jpg)


Is this GD Olga Alexandrovna, dau. of Alexander III?
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Post by: nena on November 13, 2008, 02:15:28 PM
Yes, she is!
Her brother Michael:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_03-1.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/?action=view&current=03-1.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_mihailpas.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/?action=view&current=mihailpas.jpg)

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Post by: AGRBear on November 16, 2008, 08:58:18 AM

Again, thanks nena.

AGRBear
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Post by: AGRBear on November 29, 2008, 11:36:25 AM
Could this dog, photographed at Stavka with Joy, be Aleksei's Shot?

(http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2354/joyanddogyu2.th.png) (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joyanddogyu2.png)


(http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2354/joyanddogyu2.png)

Dog in foreground is _____?
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Post by: mitia on November 29, 2008, 01:57:32 PM
Dog in the foreground is a boy or a girl ?
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Post by: nena on November 29, 2008, 05:12:56 PM
I would love to know which dog it is, I don't know, it might be Shot which was mentioned in IF diaries and letters.  :-\
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Post by: nena on November 29, 2008, 07:23:30 PM
NII - 1914, horses:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/vlast_41_069ert.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/i-667.jpg)
)
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Post by: Condecontessa on November 30, 2008, 09:12:03 AM
Going back to the pic of joy and "shot", is that the whole pic or was it just a close up of the dogs. If there's a whole pic can you please post it? Thanks. :)
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Post by: Sarushka on November 30, 2008, 10:57:40 AM
Going back to the pic of joy and "shot", is that the whole pic or was it just a close up of the dogs. If there's a whole pic can you please post it? Thanks. :)

(http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/5199/joyanddog1915vq5.th.png) (http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joyanddog1915vq5.png)

It's from the Vyrubova album recently sold at auction.


Incidentally, I was incorrect about the location of the photo -- according to Vyrubova's notation, it was taken at "Zarskoe" in 1915, not Stavka.
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Post by: AGRBear on November 30, 2008, 01:07:47 PM
NII - 1914, horses:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/vlast_41_069ert.jpg)

I think this was someone's attempt to breed a horse with a zebra.

Take a closer look at the animal's hind legs.

Le Zorse:
http://homeusers.brutele.be/carolo-test/zorse.html

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10448585&ref=rss

U-Tube:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/697234/zebra_horse_zorse/
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Post by: AGRBear on November 30, 2008, 02:00:38 PM
Alexander Palace:
Elephant House

From history of zoo in St. Petersburg:

"...As to history of the maintenance of elephants in Tsarskoe Selo, that the first of them, according to S.N.Vilchkovskogo (1911), " apparently, soon were lost ". In 1828 architect A.Menelasom for the maintenance of elephants had been constructed the special pavilion which has received the name "Elephants". It has been built in Aleksandrovsk park. This pavilion was wooden, in the "Indian" style, with intricate turrets, extensions and the xxtensive "court yard" enclosed by a metal fencing.
In 1832 there were in a menagerie one elephant with two attendants. Another elephant has been presented to tsar by emir Bukhara and delivered to Tsarskoe Selo in 1849. Later, in 1860, these elephants have transferred to Petersburg. With 1870 -1872 in Tsarskoe Selo one more elephant was presented by emir and had transferred to Petersburg Zoo.  According to S.N.Vilchkovskogo (1911), elephants lived in Tsarskoe Selo in the beginning of the twentieth century. Last elephant in Tsarskoe Selo has been shot in 1917 by revolutionary sailors..."

http://www.lenzoo.ru/russian/history/ind13.html

In reading the early years of Nicholas II's diaries, I have come across entries such as Tuesday, March 21, 1895: "...went for walk with Alix and visited elephant..." but no name as yet. During the years 1913-1916, Alexei often visited the elephants and I may find a name in N's diaries.

Joanna

Hello JStorey

Further entries from Nicholas' diaries:

"Monday 9 June 1914 ...After changing clothes, I went for walk. Day radiant. I led with Alexei elephant to our pond and watched its bathing ..."

"Tuesday 10 June 1914 ...There was again bathing of elephant, this time Alix and all children were present ..."

Joanna

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/tsarskoe/alexandrovka.html
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on January 17, 2009, 04:33:22 PM
Section:  Imperial Family
Hohenzollern
Princess Cecille

Cecilie and Wilhelm II  living in Exile

(http://i42.tinypic.com/6sf6vt.jpg)

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on February 23, 2009, 10:57:30 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Photo/Royalities_at_Lyngby2C_near_Copenha.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on March 20, 2009, 07:50:14 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/th_denmark1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/denmark1.jpg)

detail:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/th_denmark1a.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/denmark1a.jpg)
.
Denmark

Maria Feodora Thread

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/denmark1a.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on March 20, 2009, 07:52:22 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/th_marfed2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/marfed2.jpg)

detail:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/th_marfed3.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/marfed3.jpg)


click on images for larger versions
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/marfed3.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on March 21, 2009, 08:41:21 AM
NII and horses:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_027754.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/?action=view&current=027754.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_C8.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/?action=view&current=C8.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on March 28, 2009, 08:28:00 AM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_1010541L.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/1010541L.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Olgasha on March 31, 2009, 07:29:03 AM
GD Alexander Alexandrovich with his horse and dogs:
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7026/gdalexander.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Olgasha on March 31, 2009, 10:32:17 AM
...And GD Paul Aleksandrovich with his puppy:
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/669/littlepavel.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 31, 2009, 10:54:00 AM
Both are new for me! Thank you for posting.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on March 31, 2009, 11:02:36 AM
These photos are new for me too!, thank you very much Aglaya!  :)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 31, 2009, 01:15:10 PM
More dogs

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_gruppe.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/gruppe.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_marfed3.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/marfed3.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 05, 2009, 09:50:11 AM
Thank you Agayla.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on April 05, 2009, 09:53:57 AM
More dogs:

Love your ones.

With family:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_Aleks3121.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/?action=view&current=Aleks3121.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on July 04, 2009, 10:19:23 AM
Oh yes, he was very handsome from the beggining....

On horse
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Romanovs/rom-m.jpg)

Thread:  Grand Duke Mikhail Akexandrovitch, his family and life
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on July 04, 2009, 10:28:04 AM
More photos of Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich:
Michel and Natalie:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Michel%20A/hghggzh61.jpg)

Michel:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Michel%20A/romanov91.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Michel%20A/fdfddqn31.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on July 04, 2009, 10:34:41 AM
Miechen with her children:
(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/245/vladimirovici.jpg)

"Miechen with her children"

Thread: " The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures, Part 2 "
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on July 04, 2009, 10:40:28 AM
Wladimir and Miechen:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Photo/miechen/MiechenandVladimir1.jpg)

Wladimir Miechen and family:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Photo/miechen/2074540722_2706679bcd_o1.jpg)

Thread: The Vladimirovitchi - discussion and pictures, Part 2
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on July 04, 2009, 10:46:45 AM
... in part...
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Matilde/andreimat2wm.jpg)
Grand Duke Andrei and Mathilde
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on July 04, 2009, 11:07:46 AM
Paul:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Paley/1212652996_portret-velikogo-knjazja.jpg)

Thread: Paleys
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on July 04, 2009, 11:18:08 AM
Audrey and Dimitri riding horses :


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Others%20Romanov/dimiaudrey-1.jpg)

Thread: Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch, his wife Audrey Emery, and descendants
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on August 25, 2009, 11:19:11 AM
Does anyone know if Aleksey's Springer Spaniel was Welsh or English?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Springer_Spaniel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Springer_Spaniel
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on August 25, 2009, 04:16:09 PM
IMO, it was English one. Not sure, though. I will look over web to try proving it.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: mitia on August 27, 2009, 11:15:04 AM
One ought to keep in mind that, in most cases, the appearance or look of the different breeds of dogs has changed a lot in the space of the last 150 years. Look at " victorian pugs " for instance, some do look like toy bulldogs, some even had coats with stripes ! Moreover, victorian people, including " Royals ", were VERY fond of crossed breeds or crossed dogs. What one has in mind to-day about pedigree dogs, dogs' standard, FCI, breeds clubs etc....is very far from what late 1800s and early 1900s "dogs people " were thinking about.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: blessOTMA on October 30, 2009, 09:26:21 PM
 Looking over this great thread, there needs to be a book called : Imperial Pets.
How great would that be? with the letters, the  photos  and the Faberge  collars and nic nacks.

It would be  a best seller imo

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: po3a on November 08, 2009, 01:09:01 PM
Quote

Didn't find it.

Anyone know where a photo of Eira is???

AGRBear


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/roenasd023.jpg)

here you go! :)









Could Eira be a Yorkshire Terrier?  Do we know where Alix got this dog?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: tatianolishka_ on November 08, 2009, 01:16:49 PM
I believe Eira was a Cairn [sp?] Terrier. I believe there are some letters describing how Alix got this sweet little dog, but I don't have them with me at the moment.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Ally Kumari on November 08, 2009, 01:20:48 PM
Posted by Ashanti

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/hpqscan0002-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 29, 2009, 05:04:49 PM
Nicholas I

(http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/16687/2281809510101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2281809510101857556ZMWcae)

Nicholas I
...[in part]....
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8931/nick6.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 29, 2009, 05:20:01 PM
Alexander II
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5719/436566274tuqobtfs.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 29, 2009, 05:26:04 PM
Alexander II

(http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/44458/2018245830101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2018245830101857556AJWikC)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 29, 2009, 05:30:19 PM
Alexander III

(http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/41575/2518195660101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2518195660101857556ncdzxj)

...[in part]...
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 29, 2009, 06:26:51 PM
Nicholas I [by Alexander Schwabe]
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7757/byalexanderschwabeb.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on December 16, 2009, 09:25:05 AM
hi,

i'm doing research on the people who raised borzoi in russia before the revolution. i'm looking for journals or first account type of information. i understand most of the borzoi dogs were raised on country estates owned by counts or other russian nobilty and that the dogs were used for hunting. i would be happy to learn of any kind of source and if there are some from a kid's perspective that would work, too.

thanks in advance.

cheers,

annemarie
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on December 16, 2009, 09:27:16 AM
here is a start
History
 
A borzoi pack assisting in a Russian wolf hunt, as shown on Охота на волка 1873It was long thought that Saluki type sighthounds were originally brought to Russia from Byzantium in the South about the 9th and 10th centuries and again later by the Mongol invaders from the East. However, now that the archeological archives and research results of the former USSR are open to scientists, it has become quite clear that the primal sighthound type evolved between the Kyrgyzstan, the lower Kazakhstan part of Altai and the Afghan plains, and that the earliest actual sighthound breeds were the plains Afghan hounds and the Kyrgyz Taigan.[citation needed]

These ancient breeds then migrated South (founding the Tazi/Saluki branch) and West (founding the Stepnaya, Krimskaya and Hortaya branches) to develop into breeds adapted to those regions. This was a slow process which happened naturally through normal spreading of trade, with the silk and spice trade via the Silk Road being the prime vector.[citation needed]

The more modern Psovaya Borzaya was founded on Stepnaya, Hortaya and the Ukrainian-Polish version of the old Hort. There were also imports of Western sighthound breeds to add to the height and weight. It was crossed as well with the Russian Laika specifically and singularly to add resistance against Northern cold and a longer and thicker coat than the Southern sighthounds were equipped with.[citation needed]

All of these foundation types - Tazi, Hortaya, Stepnaya, Krimskaya and Hort - already possessed the instincts and agility necessary for hunting and bringing down wolves.

The Psovoi was popular with the Tsars before the 1917 revolution. For centuries, Psovoi could not be purchased but only given as gifts from the Tsar. The most famous breeder was Grand Duke Nicholas Nicolaievich of Russia, who bred countless Psovoi at Perchino, his private estate.[3]

The Russian concept of hunting trials was instituted during the era of the Tsars. As well as providing exciting sport, the tests were used for selecting borzoi breeding stock; only the quickest and most intelligent hunting dogs went on to produce progeny. For the aristocracy these trials were a well-organized ceremony, sometimes going on for days, with the borzoi accompanied by mounted hunters and Foxhounds on the Russian steppe. Hares and other small game were by far the most numerous kills, but the hunters especially loved to test their dogs on wolf. If a wolf was sighted, the hunter would release a team of two or three borzoi. The dogs would pursue the wolf, attack its neck from both sides, and hold it until the hunter arrived. The classic kill was by the human hunter with a knife. Wolf trials are still a regular part of the hunting diploma for all Russian sightdog breeds of the relevant type, either singly or in pairs or trios, in their native country.

 
Borzoi circa 1915In the 1917 Revolution, large numbers of native Psovoi were destroyed by the revolutionaries.[citation needed] The Tsars had turned them into a symbol of affluence and tyranny, and they were not welcomed into the new world of the Soviet Union. Some noblemen took it upon themselves to shoot their own dogs rather than allow them to fall into the hands of militants.[citation needed] However, the Psovoi survived along with the other borzaya variants in the Russian countryside.

In the late 1940s a Soviet soldier named Constantin Esmont made detailed records of the various types of borzoi dogs he found in the Cossack villages. Esmont's amazing pictures were recently published and can be viewed by clicking on the link below.

Esmont was concerned that the distinct types of borzaya were in danger of degenerating without a controlled system of breeding. He convinced the Soviet government that borzoi were a valuable asset to the hunters who supported the fur industry and henceforth, their breeding was officially regulated. To this day short-haired Hortaya Borzaya are highly valued hunting dogs on the steppes, while the long-haired Psovaya Borzaya, still carrying some of the stigma of its association with the old White Russia, has become more common as a decorative companion.

Exports of Borzoi to other countries were extremely rare during the Soviet era. However enough had been taken to England, Scandinavia, Western Europe and America in the late 19th century for the breed to establish itself outside its native country.


[edit] Art
In 2004, the UK Kennel Club held its 4th temporary exhibition entitled 'The Borzoi in Art'. The exhibition offered a unique insight into the Borzoi and how the breed has been depicted in art throughout the 19th and 20th Centuries. The exhibition included paintings, bronzes and porcelain which had previously never before been available for the public viewing. The exhibition ran from September 27 to December 3. The Borzoi may frequenlty be found in art deco period works.


[edit] Famous Borzoi
The Borzoi is the symbol of Alfred A. Knopf publishing house.
Tasha, a female Borzoi belonging to the noted vet Buster Lloyd-Jones (founder of Denes natural pet foods), was born in the UK during the Second World War and is the pedigree ancestor of most British Borzoi bloodlines.[4]
Ben was the white male borzoi, beloved of E.J. Smith, Captain of the Titanic. There exists a photo of the Captain and his dog outside his cabin on the ship. The Dog was not however on the maiden voyage.
Kolchak Has been the mascot of the 27th Infantry Regiment since the Regiment participated in the Siberia Campaign. The 27th Infantry has been nicknamed 'The Wolfhounds' in recognition of their endurance during battles in Siberia.


Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 28, 2010, 08:56:33 AM
i found this one as pets of the IF. 1867

(http://s002.radikal.ru/i199/1001/f9/ed0884ab9bcf.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on July 30, 2010, 06:43:28 PM
(http://kazak.clan.su/_ph/24/659166061.jpg)

I liked this one of Nicky.  Thanks Katenka.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on July 30, 2010, 06:54:03 PM




 (http://southwc.ru/1/8/thumbs/k_186488504-opt_nemos19_2.jpg) (http://southwc.ru/k_186488504-opt_nemos19_2.jpg.htm)

Marvelous looking horses!

Thanks Nemos.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on July 30, 2010, 06:57:44 PM
some more pictures of Nicholas...



(http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/33621/2068622310102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2068622310102753164BxDEWd)

1890s Nicholas II & cousins



Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 05, 2010, 07:58:01 PM
Love your ones.

With family:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_Aleks3121.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/?action=view&current=Aleks3121.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 27, 2010, 06:44:42 PM
Hohenzollern
Kaiser Wilhelm II

That last one is wonderful!

The other portrait of Kaiser's Family
(http://static.akpool.de/images/cards/16/166977.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 27, 2010, 06:54:08 PM
Wilhelm playing with a dog

(http://i47.tinypic.com/qyy7v9.jpg)
     

Katharine MacDonogh wrote in REINING CATS AND DOGS
p. 153  >>Kaiser Williem II...had a lifelong passion for dachshunds, or Teckels, as they are known in German"<< 

p.154 >>William had a great fancy for those little animals and possessed a round dozen or so of them"<<                                                                                                                   
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Svetabel on August 28, 2010, 02:42:54 AM
Pardon me, here's a topic about Romanov's pets.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 28, 2010, 01:54:34 PM
Pardon me, here's a topic about Romanov's pets.

?????
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: blessOTMA on August 28, 2010, 02:51:22 PM
Romanov  pets....  that is, not about Willy's dogs :)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 28, 2010, 03:26:27 PM
When I was looking around for photographs of Nicholas II's pets, I noticed there were many links to other royal pets but they are scattered  Since this  Bear likes lists,  I'm starting up a thread which provides the links to the various threads on this forum.  
..[in part]...
AGRBear

Nicholas II's cousin was Kaiser Wilhelm II.  

If you look back through all these pages,  I've even added a few photos of Princes, Counts and others ... who's animals were more than likely from the same breeding stock as were in the Romanov families.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Svetabel on August 29, 2010, 12:21:34 AM
When I was looking around for photographs of Nicholas II's pets, I noticed there were many links to other royal pets but they are scattered  Since this  Bear likes lists,  I'm starting up a thread which provides the links to the various threads on this forum.  
..[in part]...
AGRBear

Nicholas II's cousin was Kaiser Wilhelm II.  

If you look back through all these pages,  I've even added a few photos of Princes, Counts and others ... who's animals were more than likely from the same breeding stock as were in the Romanov families.

AGRBear

Wilhelm II was not a Romanov. The topic is about the Romanov pets. You can freely create topic about the Hohenzollern pets at the proper subforum.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 29, 2010, 12:11:49 PM
I'm not sure what the problem is since I'm the one who started this thread which is about the Romanovs and their cousins [Hohenzollerns, Queen Victoria's group, etc. etc.) who's pets were all from the same basic stock..   However, since you are in charge, now,  then so be it.  

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 29, 2010, 01:46:41 PM
You re right. I was thinking in Olga!!


This is one of the prettieest portraits of Marie i ve ever seen. It looks kind of modern and i know...this has been posted a thousand of times on Marie`s boards but here it wont get lost

(http://i45.tinypic.com/1zcft3p.jpg)



The cat by the candel looks like a Siamese
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: mitia on August 30, 2010, 05:52:07 AM
Keeping in mind that this is a thread about the Romanov's pets, I would like however to ask a question to AGBEAR about this puzzling assertion :

" the Romanovs and their cousins [Hohenzollerns, Queen Victoria's group, etc. etc.) who's pets were all from the same basic stock.. ".

Do you mean by " same basic stock " that all the royal and imperial pets owned by the early descendants of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert ( let us say first and second generation ) all came from some kind of " homebred royal kennels with a lot of different breeds and crossbreeds " or " royal puppies farm or mill " ( not to mention cats, parrots etc...) ?

 I am absolutely sure you know this is completely wrong and that the royal and imperial pets of Victoria and Albert's reigning descendants came from very different places, breeders, friends etc...and this, especially in the case of NAOTMAA's favourite and best known pets.

Forgive me if you meant something different by " whose pets were all from the same basic stock", you know I am always a bit picky when it comes to " imperial and royal pets " and that I dislike the use of the word " stock " for living creatures !
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 30, 2010, 02:25:27 PM
Through DNA, the world of science has created a map which shows the ancestors of our modern day dogs.   The four main ancestors are the North American Wolf, Chinese Wolf, Indian Wolf and the European Wolf.  The earliest recording of dogs bred for specific tasks was written back in 430 BC by a Greek.  It wasn't until the middle of the 1700s that various new classes of dogs were becoming apparent and a man by the name of Carolus Linnaeus produced the Order of Nature. Source: p. 8-9  THE ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF DOG BREEDS  by Joan Parker.  So, from the time of the Pharaoh's Hound to Nicholas II's favorite Collie,  domestic dogs became human companions.  The rough collie ( the show dog Lassie was the most famous here in the US) was introduced from Iceland to Britian almost 400 years before Queen Victoria saw one when visiting Balmoral Castle in Scotland in 1860...   English Springer Spaniel, which was first noticed in Britian in Norfolk, England as a "springing" Spaniel in 1570 were the original stock of the Tsarvich Alexei's dog called Joy.  The  Norfolk and the Cumber Spaniels are thought to be the old of their breed in England.   The Spaniel's ancestor was a Spitz who's ancestor was the European Wolf.  The house of Orange discovered the Chinesse dog known to us as a Pug in the 1500s.  It was Queen Victoria's  kennel where the breed found a new home and the  breed was reestablished  

Each dog has it's own history, just like each of us humans do.


It was the tribal leaders in ancient time to the more recent Royal Families  and the upper circles of society  across the world who took greater interest in some breeds more than others.  First it was for survival and used the dogs for hunting and farther along in man's history,  he took the dog as a companion with bragging rights attached....

I've owned,  a Jack Russel Terrior,  a Rough Collie and North American Wolf mix,  two Irish settlers,  two English  Springer Spaniels, and, three  Golden Retrievers.  Loved every one.  

Gotta run.

AGRBear

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Condecontessa on August 30, 2010, 03:16:16 PM
Just a sidenote. There is a book titled "Noble Hounds" and I recommend this book to anyone interested in "Imperial pets". :)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 12, 2010, 06:47:55 PM
Remarks on Emp. Alexandara/Emp. Fights Back #6: Empress and the dog Ortipo [Ortino]
Eddie_uk - I don't know if you were posting that as an agreement or tongue in cheek, but the out of context postings from the letters doesn't do the subject justice.

It would be nice to know what else she said in that same letter as it seems to have been sent to Nicholas at Stavka while Alexei was with him.

But again, we wouldn't be reading these letters at all if not for the untimely death of their authors.


Thanks but there was nothing tongue in cheek about it, MY opinion is that while "his little master" was away it was a very sweet & kind that Alexandra "sent for Joy" and had him lie at her feet.

Besides it does do the subject justice as that's all Griffh posted & it was under the caregory of "pets".

Before addressing the important subject Alixz has brought up which is the pros and cons of a thematic approach to the correspondence, I just wanted to say Eddy uk that one of my favorite themes is THEIR PETS which I didn't even think about until the later half of 1915.  Going back and reviewing my earlier themes I have included THEIR PETS in the first half of 1915 and I have grown to love that little Ortipo.  

She is such an adorable little rascal who is interrupting the Empress as she is conscientiously reading a report from one of her various war relief enterprises.  

No. 181/ Her No. 278.  [Fuhrmann]  No. 47.  [Duckworth/Nicky-Sunny]  Tsarskoe Selo. March 1, 1915.
Ortipo has been rushing all over my bed like mad & crushed Vilichkovsky's reports [important and long War Relief reports] I was reading. –  

Then there is this dear picture of Ortipo missing her Master:

No.220/ Her No. 288.  [Fuhrmann]  No.56.  [Duckworth/Nichy-Sunny] Tsarskoe Selo.  April 4, 1915.
It is so hard every time - it wrenches at one's heart and leaves such ache and endless longing [when Nicky leaves]  - Ortipo too feels sad, and jumps up at every sound and watches for you.

Apparently Alix was so attached to Ortipo that she took her on an Inspection Tour in May 1915:

No. 303/ Her No. 309.  [Fuhrmann] No. 77. [Duckworth/Nicky-Sunny]  Vitsbek.  May 8, 1915.
Ortipo climb onto my lap, have sent her off several times without success - so yet more difficult writing on the top of her back in a shaking train.  

I just love the fact that Alix gave up trying to keep Ortipo off her lap whilst writing to Nicky and simply starting writing on top of her.  Somehow or other that seems to be the kind of "mother's logic" that my sisters and I were raised with.  

The importance of the thematic approach is that you can access Alix' opinions on a single subject or access her devotion to something such as the family pets which increases one's sense of her humanity.  Also by grouping the same ideas into themes you can better understand the Empress' specific concerns.  Because Alix writing style could be described as "flow of  consciousness" she will often start and stop a topic several times which makes it sometimes very difficult to get at her meaning when reading entire letters.  

On the other hand, a thematic approach, taking the ideas out of the context of the entire letter, has its limitations as well.  As Alixz and Helen have pointed out, this approach robs one of the flow of the letter and often it's tone and overall context.   Excerpts can thereby be manipulated to take on a meaning that they don't really have.   Or just as importantly, a thematic exploration of the letters often robs one of other issues such as the Empress' state of health.  This means that while exploring the them HER AUDIENCES AND RECEPTIONS while learning about the number of people she saw, we have no idea of her health issues or what it took to see these people; we lose the context of her struggle to do her duty.  

Because of the limitations of the thematic exploration of the letters I have been making a series of new double files from April 1914 forward.  Making dual files, one containing the entire letter and one containing themes is allowing me to double check the themes with the entire context in the other.   I have done this to reinforce a safety gage for the way I use the excerpts in my article.  

I have learned so much and I am grateful if the information I am sharing will continue to soften our understanding of the Empress.  I am also so grateful for the all the ideas that have been shared, which I take to heart and try to learn and grow from.    



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(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8655/untitled7de.png)

Tatiana and her dog Ortino, a French Bulldog

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Joy.jpg)

Joy

...[n part].... 

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Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 13, 2010, 01:42:52 PM
Here is a portrait of the granite memorial over the grave of Kamchatka at Gatchina. Kamchatka was Alexander III's favorite dog who was killed in the railway accident near Borki.

(http://history-gatchina.ru/parks/park/imgpark/kamchatka.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 13, 2010, 01:55:56 PM
Pulled it out of the photo and made Alex III's  dog, Kamchatka,  larger.
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AlexIIIsShephard.jpg)

What does "Kamchatka" mean when translated into English?


AGRBear


Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on September 13, 2010, 02:07:04 PM
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What does "Kamchatka" mean when translated into English?
To my Geographical knowledge, 'Kamchatka' is the name of Russian peninsula on the far East. It got no specific meaning. I am sorry if this had been already answered to you, AGRBear.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 13, 2010, 02:31:00 PM
(http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/ALexei-3.jpg)

Russian Imperial Links
New Digital Album
page 4

also found:

thanks Nena.

B&Ws
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/th_ALexei-3.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/ALexei-3.jpg)

...[in part]...

Lynn
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 13, 2010, 02:41:05 PM
...[ in part]...

(http://radikal.ru/F/s43.radikal.ru/i101/0909/67/d79144444bed.jpg)


http://radikal.ru/F/s43.radikal.ru/i101/0909/67/d79144444bed.jpg.html
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 13, 2010, 02:54:41 PM
(http://radikal.ru/F/i078.radikal.ru/0909/44/671f7511ae1e.jpg)


http://radikal.ru/F/i078.radikal.ru/0909/44/671f7511ae1e.jpg.html
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 13, 2010, 04:51:34 PM
(http://i055.radikal.ru/0909/d3/aad265f9ccc1t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i055.radikal.ru/0909/d3/aad265f9ccc1.jpg.html)(http://i061.radikal.ru/0909/57/2d8b8318db95t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i061.radikal.ru/0909/57/2d8b8318db95.jpg.html)(http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/0909/6e/d466c5092aeat.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s57.radikal.ru/i158/0909/6e/d466c5092aea.jpg.html)(http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/0909/bd/5ed3caad542et.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s39.radikal.ru/i086/0909/bd/5ed3caad542e.jpg.html)(http://i004.radikal.ru/0909/ab/f6ba2db6ff91t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i004.radikal.ru/0909/ab/f6ba2db6ff91.jpg.html)
 (http://radikal.ru/F/i037.radikal.ru/0909/cf/ab02b3b3a0e9.jpg.html)

http://radikal.ru/F/i055.radikal.ru/0909/d3/aad265f9ccc1.jpg.html

(http://radikal.ru/F/i055.radikal.ru/0909/d3/aad265f9ccc1.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: blessOTMA on September 13, 2010, 11:13:55 PM
Thank you for all the photos!
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 14, 2010, 06:53:30 PM
You are welcome.

More can be found if we just look hard enough.

The following is GD Michael Alexanderovich [brother of Nicholas II]  found under Imperial Family Section:


...[in part]...

1896 Michael

(http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/19974/2646980030102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2646980030102753164saolTz)

...

1898 playing on the lake

(http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/40910/2068410010102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2068410010102753164tBPZSr)

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 14, 2010, 07:06:02 PM
Natalia Brassova and GD Dimitri Pavlovich, England ca.1920.
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3752/natdimitr.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 14, 2010, 07:09:22 PM
Michael:

Photos of Mikhail's childhood and youth in Gatchina.
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8179/mabalkon1896.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 14, 2010, 07:13:20 PM
Misha in Gatchina.
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8241/1234bq.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 14, 2010, 07:34:11 PM
Imperial Family:  GD Dmitri Paulovich
Page 30

Dimitri Pavlovich in British uniform (I must say he looked much much better in Russian:-))
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3845/dmitriunatalii.jpg)

 It's a quite clear to me that this picture was taken in the same day and place as this one, which I posted on APF long time ago (and saw here repeated, of course).

http://yfrog.com/mwnatdimitrj   (Dmitri with Natasha Brasova , England 1919).

Even the dog is the same.;-)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 14, 2010, 07:40:34 PM
maybe anyone hasn't seen...

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n192/Taksa/th_eiv05.jpg) (http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n192/Taksa/?action=view&current=eiv05.jpg)

Alexie and Dimitri 1915
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n192/Taksa/eiv05.jpg)

Caption says:

Heir Tsarevich Alexei Nicholaievich and Grand Duke Dmitrii Pavlovich (November of 1915)


Again -- amazing find. No, they were reviewing troops at Stvaka during WW1 only.  ;-)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2010, 12:04:46 PM
Imperial Family: G Duchess Xenia and GD Alex. M.'s  children and des.


...[in part]...

(Back) Rostislav, Irina, Nikita, Vassili, Dmitri, Andrei
(Front) Feodor & Xenia ...  Frogmore, 1936:

(http://cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/xeniawithherchildren.jpg)


Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 15, 2010, 12:13:32 PM
Imperial Family: G Duchess Xenia and GD Alex. M.'s  children and des.
Princess Marina Sergeevna

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/590883d3.jpg)

..[in part]....
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 18, 2010, 05:05:14 PM
For some reason the one photo with Michael and his Spitz [Post #368] didn't copy.  Here is the URL:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2068410010102753164tBPZS
(http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/83/83/4/10/1/2068410010102753164tBPZSr_th.jpg)

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Gorseheart on September 19, 2010, 09:31:53 PM
Where did Alexei come up with the name Joy?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 20, 2010, 06:42:41 PM
I don't know why Alexei named his dog "Joy".

This was rare on another thread, you may have seen it, but I think it's appropriate for this.
(http://nd01.jxs.cz/205/939/1c35754c0d_46031873_u.jpg)

Great friendship!

Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Gorseheart on September 20, 2010, 09:51:18 PM
Oh hey I posted that on another thread. I found out why. Alexandra suggested it.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 21, 2010, 11:10:05 AM
Yes, it was not easy but I've finally found the letter. :-) I've found it in the German book "Alexej, der Sohn des letzten Zaren" (Alexei, the son of the last Tsar) by Elisabeth Heresch.

Alexandra sent the letter to Alexei on October 31, 1914. As I only have the letter in German, here's my translation (only the part in which Alexandra mentions Joy):

"...What about your dog? He follows (your command) better when you call him "Joy". That means "joy" (the original word here was in Russian) in English."

Here is my copy in German:

"...Und dein Hund? Er folgt besser, wenn du ihn "Joy" rufst, das heißt auf Englisch "Freude"."  

This was found under section of Alexei and his pet Joy.

AGRBear 
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 21, 2010, 11:12:12 AM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/alekseyjoy.jpg)

 Alexis and Joy
 
From Tukker-ragazzo's collection. 10

1914
Hi,me again! More Pic.of our dear tsarevich:
1914,Crimea,Livadia:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/P1030381-1.jpg)
...[in part]....

Joy looks fairly young here. Are there any earlier photos?

Which photo is earlier?

I am taking liberation and posting something that might not be necessarily on topic for this thread... completely. It's a rare image (to me anyway) but it's of Alexei and not OTMA. It's too bad this wasn't a "Rare Picture" thread.

I was emailed this lovely image of Alexei earlier by Mr. Davies. New to me, and it seems to be in the same time and place as the first picture Mr. Davies sent me.

Enjoy
(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/876/agfascanwise16uc.th.jpg) (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=agfascanwise16uc.jpg)



AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on September 21, 2010, 03:23:47 PM
The last one you posted was certainly taken earlier than the one I had posted. I don't recall seeing any Alexei's photos in 1913 with Joy.

Unless...Is this Joy?

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/AleksejskrozsdesnasaDzojemisaprijateljimanaslami.jpg)

I also got no clue when this one might have been taken...Anyone? 1913?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 21, 2010, 04:57:20 PM
Don't see the white around the nose, chest and freckled forelegs that Joy had.
  
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Joy.jpg)



Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on September 21, 2010, 05:01:49 PM
Yes, you are correct. In the last photo, the white doors behind the Joy reminds me of those in Governor's Mansion at Tobolsk. Thought that one could have been at Stavka as well.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 21, 2010, 05:05:28 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/6365414-md-corr.jpg)

The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 21, 2010, 05:12:36 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/2.jpg)

The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection

This one is labeled 1914
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 21, 2010, 05:19:03 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/al2.jpg)

The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 21, 2010, 05:21:58 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/alekjoy.jpg)

The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 21, 2010, 06:02:21 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/tsarvtch.jpg)

The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection

Same one, I think.

Alexis and Joy:

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/1915ts.jpg)

The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection on Alexis


AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 21, 2010, 06:16:33 PM
(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/876/agfascanwise16uc.th.jpg) (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=agfascanwise16uc.jpg)
I think he looks the youngest in this photo with Joy
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on September 21, 2010, 08:29:53 PM
I think he looks the youngest in this photo with Joy
Yes, he indeed does. It was taken in late 1900's/ early 1910's. But the dog is not Joy. (Do notice that Joy had white, not black - haired legs)

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Same one, I think.

Yes, the same one --it was taken at Tsarskoe Selo Gardens, in 1915.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 22, 2010, 01:42:33 PM
(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/876/agfascanwise16uc.th.jpg) (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=agfascanwise16uc.jpg)
I think he looks the youngest in this photo with Joy

The photo with Alexei pushing the child's wheel barrow with the dog is standing with it's tail toward the camera.  We cannot see his forelegs very well, so,  I'm not sure if they are white with freckles.  If taken before 1910 then it probably wasn't Joy.  However, the back of the dog's  neck has the white just like Joy's.

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/P1030381-1.jpg)

The dog on the hay stack with Alexei appears to be dark and because of the shadows I cannot tell what kind of dog he/she is. And,  the dog doesn't have the white markings of Joy's.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/AleksejskrozsdesnasaDzojemisaprijateljimanaslami.jpg)



AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 22, 2010, 01:59:55 PM
Did Alexei have more than one English Springer Spaniel?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 22, 2010, 03:31:26 PM
I LOVE cats, so these pictures are like crack to me:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Guinastasia/History/alexeikittenshrub.jpg)


Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 22, 2010, 03:33:42 PM
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/rubberduck-6/A.jpg)Obviously, our beloved tsarevich, liked pets,too, this picture probably has been taken on board of the "Standart", by his sister, I don't know.
Another picture of Alexei and his kittens:(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/rubberduck-6/f53ac4e3.jpg)

Yep, we have six little furballs as well.

Here's another:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Guinastasia/History/alexeiwithkittens.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 22, 2010, 03:35:21 PM
Hi!

Yes, indeed: OTMAA liked pets!

Here are other photos, probably from the same day, of them with the kittens. So cute! And by the way, tose pictures can be found in Yale's album, if anybody's interested.

Here are Masha and Tatiana:
(http://www.livadia.org/mashka/images/tm1908_1.jpg)

All the children together. Maria, Nastya, Alexei, Tatiana, Olga:
(http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/otmaakitties.jpg)

Small Nastya with a kitten in the sun:
http://www.livadia.org/ana/1907-1912/8.jpg (http://www.livadia.org/ana/1907-1912/8.jpg)

All the pictures were took ont the Standart, and I think it was during summer 1908, so the kids would have been about 4, 7, 9, 11 and 12.  ( In case anybody don't know)

I'm sorry if the photos are too large, but I just couldn't resist too post them.  ;)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on September 22, 2010, 05:56:19 PM
Thank you,  AGRBear, but I still doubt if the dog in the photo was Joy.

However, here is little bigger version of Alexei's photo taken at Livaida in 1912:


(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/AleksejLivadijaKrim.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Janet Ashton on September 23, 2010, 12:37:47 PM
Thank you,  AGRBear, but I still doubt if the dog in the photo was Joy.

However, here is little bigger version of Alexei's photo taken at Livaida in 1912:



On this picture, particularly the smaller version, he looks a lot like his cousin Dickie Mountbatten. Dickie was slimmer as a young lad, but you can see the same face and hair - and also in some of the 1917 pics of Alexei taken at Tsarskoe Selo in uniform there is a resemblance  to Dickie aged around 19 - it's the long straight nose and face.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 03, 2010, 08:26:25 PM
What about this one:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/62c5_1.jpg)
Taken at captivity?????? ??? Tobolsk/Tsarskoe, or Stavka?
Can anyone help me? Please?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: blessOTMA on October 04, 2010, 12:39:41 AM
I don't think it was taken in captivity...because the soldier is too friendly,  well dressed and has no rifle. But here's a better copy of  the photo
and an  another that might have been taken the same day . That one was in 1915 I believe

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/th_scanjoy.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/scanjoy.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/th_Joy7.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/Joy7.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 08, 2010, 05:30:33 PM
Michael and his friend and secretary Nicholas Johnson at Knebworth House/England, Summer 1914. (on the right - Natasha's beloved dog - Jack).
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4628/236738017.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on January 13, 2011, 01:27:03 PM
New thread started for us.
See Hohenzollern's
German Royal's Pet List

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=16023.0
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: nena on January 13, 2011, 05:54:38 PM
I don't think it was taken in captivity...because the soldier is too friendly,  well dressed and has no rifle. But here's a better copy of  the photo
and an  another that might have been taken the same day . That one was in 1915 I believe

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/th_scanjoy.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/scanjoy.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/th_Joy7.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/Joy7.jpg)
Correct -- the soldier is actually Count V.N. Voeikov; according to Vyrubova's label, it was taken at Mogilev during the war. However, on one Russian exhibition, the last one was labeled to have been taken by Gillirad in 1917, which is contradiction.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: blessOTMA on January 13, 2011, 09:36:30 PM
Thank you nena. Because I have painted AN using the photo of just him and Joy, I have an interest about where this was. I recently learned it was  Mogilev ....which  helps to place many photos of AN and his parents with that tree and cannon. Thank you for the name of the officer. I believe the photo of AN and Joy in the tree was part of a 60 photo portfolio that was created in 1916 for charity....while it was distributed in 1916, the photos are from 1915 . This photo was used in the creation of a well known postcard

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/th_thetree.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/thetree.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on February 03, 2011, 12:30:09 PM
some more pictures of Nicholas...

..[in part]...




(http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/33621/2068622310102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2068622310102753164BxDEWd)

1890s Nicholas II & cousins

.....

I hope these are not repeats..


Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on February 09, 2011, 11:59:17 PM
Thank you,  AGRBear, but I still doubt if the dog in the photo was Joy.

However, here is little bigger version of Alexei's photo taken at Livaida in 1912:


(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/AleksejLivadijaKrim.jpg)

I thought that was a Guinea pig lol, its a Kitten.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 02, 2011, 03:11:02 PM
I went through my collection and this is the only one I could find

(http://nd03.jxs.cz/945/846/569bf87b56_57866640_u.jpg)

This was under Rulers Prior to Nich. II - Alex. III Photo Tour #247 by Grand Duchess Ally.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on August 02, 2011, 03:15:43 PM
Alexander III In Dennmark:

In Denmark:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Aiii/5775.jpg)


Who's dog??

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 24, 2011, 04:20:49 PM
I am not sure if this one was discussed somewhere already, but does anyone know the name of this Tsarskoe Selo infirmary cat? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=223152931067311&set=a.124297104286228.15365.113360175379921&type=1&theater

Thanks!
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: blessOTMA on August 24, 2011, 04:49:58 PM
I am not sure if this one was discussed somewhere already, but does anyone know the name of this Tsarskoe Selo infirmary cat? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=223152931067311&set=a.124297104286228.15365.113360175379921&type=1&theater

Thanks!

I see on the FB page there is a question if this cat was Olga's cat,  Vaska. I don't think so because the photo we have of  Vaska shows two while front legs. This cat has ( unusually,)  a white from  leg and a tabby front  leg . While the Tsarskoe Selo infirmary cat may not be Vaska., I feel it was a relative  since both were grey tabbies with white markings...same as the kittens in the photos with the children  on board the yacht.

While these cats may have been pets, I'm sure they were <i>working</i> animals as well. Both places, indeed, the palace itself , would need their special expertize lol!
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on December 10, 2011, 05:05:15 PM
Aleksander III, MF, Ksenia and doggies
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4307/ne-nai.69/0_33e9b_e39ff643_-1-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on December 10, 2011, 05:33:40 PM
I am not sure if this one was discussed somewhere already, but does anyone know the name of this Tsarskoe Selo infirmary cat? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=223152931067311&set=a.124297104286228.15365.113360175379921&type=1&theater

Thanks!

I see on the FB page there is a question if this cat was Olga's cat,  Vaska. I don't think so because the photo we have of  Vaska shows two while front legs. This cat has ( unusually,)  a white from  leg and a tabby front  leg . While the Tsarskoe Selo infirmary cat may not be Vaska., I feel it was a relative  since both were grey tabbies with white markings...same as the kittens in the photos with the children  on board the yacht.

While these cats may have been pets, I'm sure they were <i>working</i> animals as well. Both places, indeed, the palace itself , would need their special expertize lol!
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/InfirmaryCat.jpg)

I don't know the name.

We do know there were many tabby cats that lived around the Romanovs.

Tabbies are the dominate domestic house cat.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Inok Nikolai on January 21, 2012, 12:14:05 PM

Concerning the name "Ortipo" vs "Ortino", see:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1307.msg501339#msg501339
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Vanya Ivanova on April 29, 2012, 01:06:49 PM

Does anyone know where I can find a good clear picture of 'Jemmy' the king charles spaniel? so far looking through the thread there is only the one of her on Grand Duchess Anastasia's lapsitting in front of the shed in the vegetable garden at the Alexander Palace and its not very clear. Is this the only one? Also are there any photos of 'Joy' in his retirement in England?

many thanks

Thea
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Sunny on April 29, 2012, 03:11:02 PM

Does anyone know where I can find a good clear picture of 'Jemmy' the king charles spaniel? so far looking through the thread there is only the one of her on Grand Duchess Anastasia's lapsitting in front of the shed in the vegetable garden at the Alexander Palace and its not very clear. Is this the only one? Also are there any photos of 'Joy' in his retirement in England?

many thanks

Thea

I don't recall any other photo of Jemmy apart from the one of her body foundin the mine shaft in 1919...
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Vanya Ivanova on April 30, 2012, 06:17:06 AM


Thanks Sunny, thats a shame. Does anyone know what the 'Whites' did with little Jemmy's remains?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Rodney_G. on April 30, 2012, 02:49:54 PM
Other than document the state of his body with photos and an examination, I think they likely gave him a suitable pet burial.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Sunny on May 01, 2012, 03:05:44 AM
Other than document the state of his body with photos and an examination, I think they likely gave him a suitable pet burial.

I think the same. Gibbes, Gilliard and Kobylinskij recognized her even after months due to the color of her hairs (black and tan) and her size - she was said to be the tiniest King Charles ever, LOL
(I wrote "her" because it seems to me it was a female, also Gibbes said "she")
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Vanya Ivanova on May 01, 2012, 04:04:15 AM

Thanks for that, I have read some things that suggest Jemmy may have survived being killed with the IF and was perhaps killed by the 'White' Investigators as late as 1919 based on the remarkable state of preservation that Jemmy's body was in.

I really don't know what to think of this. Its a sad story and this makes it seem even more so.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Sunny on May 01, 2012, 06:03:07 AM

Thanks for that, I have read some things that suggest Jemmy may have survived being killed with the IF and was perhaps killed by the 'White' Investigators as late as 1919 based on the remarkable state of preservation that Jemmy's body was in.


Oh, well,as far as i know this could be possibile.I had heard of the possibility that Jemmy was alive when Yurovskij brought the corpses in the forest anddecided to follow her masters till the end and then died later on. I have had some dogs, and know it's pretty common that they do not abandon their master even if he's dead - some dogs even let themselves die of starvation or depression for the sorrow of having lost their master.
But it's also pretty likely that jemmy simply died in Anastasia's arms and was brought to the mineshaft with the corpses. Probably when the Bolsheviks made abonfire of the clothes & personal belongings, Jemmy was just left there, and maybe that was a drier place,which made possible that the poor dog corpse did not decompose soon.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Rodney_G. on May 01, 2012, 03:24:27 PM
Other than document the state of his body with photos and an examination, I think they likely gave him a suitable pet burial.

I think the same. Gibbes, Gilliard and Kobylinskij recognized her even after months due to the color of her hairs (black and tan) and her size - she was said to be the tiniest King Charles ever, LOL
(I wrote "her" because it seems to me it was a female, also Gibbes said "she")


I had my doubts about Jemmy's gender even as I was writing about her/him. I went with 'him' primarily because the name seemed more male than female (Jimmy?, )but also because that would mean all OTMAA's dogs were female, presuming we're agreed on the gender of Joy and Ortipo as females. If this is the case, was there some reason for their preference for female pets? Just wondering.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 01, 2012, 04:01:19 PM
One guess, Rodney might be that male dogs were for hunting. Also, female pets would  be more "chaste" perhaps ?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Rodney_G. on May 01, 2012, 04:38:15 PM
At first I thought it might have been a matter simply of female pets for girls, but Alexei  had his Joy. Also, I don't know that the pet owners (mistresses?) necessarily had any choice , since their pets were usually gifts I believe.

As for which gender would be more troublesome because of their sex in prime mating time, both would be pretty much out of control in my opinion.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 01, 2012, 05:51:32 PM
That  would be the idea, Rodney,  keeping the sexes apart would  prevent  the natural process. These pets would have been just as pampered and secluded as the family itself, so  prudery of the era would have  been the rule, at least in this court.
 I do not know, but my guess would be that there no neutering campaigns back the, so the only was to control the  pet population was to keep them apart.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Sunny on May 02, 2012, 04:16:54 AM
Just to say, i've read (maybe in the suitable thread?) that ortipo had puppies once. If it's true and who's the "father" i don't know.
But about Jemmy, I wrote "her" because Wilton use the feminine for this dog in "The last days of the Romanovs".

The corpse of little Jemmy was found above a heap of cinders all that remained of the family that had loved her and shared with her their meagre fare. (pag. 317)

So i assumed that Wilton, since he worked with Sokolov, Gibbes and Gilliard, knew it was a female from the tutors... just to note it wasnot my guessing.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Sarushka on May 02, 2012, 07:32:55 AM
Yes, Ortipo had puppies. Tatiana writes about it in a letter to her father on 17 September 1915.

Joy was male. I don't remember offhand my source for confirming that, but I can look into it again if you like.

I made the same guess regarding Jemmy's gender as Sunny did, based on Wilton. I know it's been discussed somewhere on the forum but so far I haven't been able to find the old thread. Anastasia mentions Jemmy in a letter of 24 April/7 May 1918, but doesn't use he/she. Alexandra also mentions Jemmy in a letter of 8/21 December 1917, but whether she called the dog he/she depends on which source you consult. English sources (Vyrubova and Lifelong Passion) use "he" while the Russian text in Pisma Tsarskoi Semi iz Zatocheniia uses "she." Is it known whether Alexandra wrote to Vyrubova in Russian or English?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Inok Nikolai on May 02, 2012, 12:52:41 PM

I made the same guess regarding Jemmy's gender as Sunny did, based on Wilton. I know it's been discussed somewhere on the forum but so far I haven't been able to find the old thread. Anastasia mentions Jemmy in a letter of 24 April/7 May 1918, but doesn't use he/she. Alexandra also mentions Jemmy in a letter of 8/21 December 1917, but whether she called the dog he/she depends on which source you consult. English sources (Vyrubova and Lifelong Passion) use "he" while the Russian text in Pisma Tsarskoi Semi iz Zatocheniia uses "she." Is it known whether Alexandra wrote to Vyrubova in Russian or English?

Empress Alexandra Feodorovna wrote to A. A. Vyrubova in Russian or English, or a combination of both in one letter, and sometimes tossed in a phrase or two in French.

When writing of Jimmy in Russian, the Empress usually employed feminine forms.
Thus, in her letter of December 8, 1917, to A. A. Vyrubova (mentioned above), she wrote:
"Ваша Jimmie лежитъ рядомъ пока ея хозяйка на роялѣ играетъ."
"Your [fem.] Jimmie is lying nearby while her mistress [G. D. Anastasia] plays the piano."

However:
Grand Duchess Anastasia Nicholaevna herself wrote of her dog as if it were male:
"Джими здоровъ и веселъ."
"Jimmy is well [masc.] and in good spirits [masc.].

Grand Duchess Olga Nicholaevna also used masculine forms when referring to Jimmy:
"Джими здороъ и довольно рамолен."
"Jimmy is well [masc.] and rather ga-ga [masc.]."

When using the feminine forms, the Empress may have been influenced by the grammatical gender of the word "dog" in Russian, which is feminine: собака, or, in this case, the diminutive, which is still feminine: собачка.

(Or possibly the Grand Duchesses were influenced by the name "Jimmy" to use masculine forms?...)

PS: Jimmy is sometimes referred to as Jemmy, too.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Sunny on May 03, 2012, 01:03:30 AM
Thanks Inok Nikolai!

I found the russian original of the famous letter from AN to MN on 7th May 1918 (maybe here on the AP site?) and AN referred to Jemmy as "he" (in Russian, on) so i'm still confused.
Sarah, i can found the old thread neither.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: blessOTMA on May 03, 2012, 01:08:38 AM
I've mostly seen the name "Jemmy " used. I think people believe that Jemmy  is  a typo
and so use "Jimmy" instead.   It's funny Jemmy has come up because
I recently saw her in a couple of captivity photos, where I had not noticed her before .
Indeed the best photo of Jemmy's face is the photo of the children resting when
Alexis is sitting with Olga, Anastasia and TN. She's stretched across Anastasia's lap.

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/th_jemmylap.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/jemmylap.jpg)](http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/th_JemmyOTMA.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/JemmyOTMA.jpg)

 But Jemmy is also in the  famous photo of OTMA resting in the garden .
She's turned away from us, but towards her mistress and one can see the "tan" of
 her colouring , which really was a dark mahogany brown.


In two other photos her little figured showed up .
She's  hard  to see in the first( this file doesn't look as good as the photo )
 and I don't think I would have noticed her if  she wasn't so clear in the 2nd photo
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/th_jemmyinthemiddle-1.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/jemmyinthemiddle-1.jpg)

Between TN and Anastasia)
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/th_jemmyabout.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/jemmyabout.jpg)

the first photo  they are digging and in the  2nd, watering . I use to think Jemmy was a Pekingese, she was so small...but I have recently seen
photos of King Charles spaniels  from the family's time and she looked just like them.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Sunny on May 03, 2012, 07:27:04 AM
I've mostly seen the name "Jemmy " used. I think people believe that Jemmy  is  a typo
and so use "Jimmy" instead.   It's funny Jemmy has come up because
I recently saw her in a couple of captivity photos, where I had not noticed her before .

I had never seen her in them! WOW! You're amazing, Bless *__* thanks so much!!

I use to think Jemmy was a Pekingese, she was so small...but I have recently seen
photos of King Charles spaniels  from the family's time and she looked just like them.

I've recently found out in abook about dogs, that King Charles in the XIX-early XX century were smaller than the ones we see nowadays. Moreover, black&tan is a color which it seems it doesn't exist for Pekingese or Japanese Chin; neither cavalier King could be black&tan, just King Charles :)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: blessOTMA on May 04, 2012, 03:15:45 AM
Quote
....Moreover, black&tan is a color which it seems it doesn't exist for Pekingese or Japanese Chin; neither cavalier King could be black&tan, just King Charles
Amazing. I didn't know that

Here's a illustration of the King Charles near the family's time to show the colouring.
We think she was all black because the dark brown reads that way in black and white photos...but she was quite colorful
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/th_jemmycard.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/jemmycard.jpg)

Ok I couldn't resist

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/th_Impandjemmy.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/Impandjemmy.jpg)
  Imp and Jemmy 1917


 
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Vanya Ivanova on May 04, 2012, 05:49:56 AM

Thanks so much for posting those photos BlessOTMA. I could only ever find the one of Jemmy on Gd Anastasia's lap. As Sunny had stated Jemmy was particularly small these new photos really give a sense of scale, Jemmy was not much bigger than a cat! I never realised how small King Charles Spaniels are even now, I always thought they were just a bit smaller than Springer Spaniels like Joy.

Your picture of the two of them together is lovely, I also recently saw a picture you posted of GD Olga learning to shoot with her father in the background, again really lovely and the comments you made on that thread about GD Olga's relationship with her father I thought were really insightful.

I'd also always thought people mistook Jemmy as a 'typo' for 'Jimmy' and that the dog was actually a 'she'.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: blessOTMA on May 04, 2012, 08:47:24 AM
Vanya Ivanova , thank you for your comments! If one accepts the body found at the four brothers was Jemmy, the h/she part is easier because that body was female. Yes it was in relatively good shape for the length of time between July 17th 1918 and its recovery, but how many black and tan King Charles were in the area so one could be "planted" as has been suggested in the past. Both tutors recognized poor Jemmy's body and one can only imagine the effect on them when seeing it.
Quote
I always thought they were just a bit smaller than Springer Spaniels like Joy.
That's what I always thought too, and so couldn't believe she was any kind of spaniel. But it really pays to look at  photos of a dog breed taken in the time one is concerned with ... significant  breed change can happen in 100 years. And as Sunny has pointed out, Jemmy was small for even her time!
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: rgt9w on July 24, 2012, 06:05:04 PM
I was reading a translation of Alexandra's 1917 diary and found an entry that states Joy (Alexei's dog) was bitten by a poisonous snake during the trip into exile to Tobolsk. Is this the only notation of this event?  Was the dog significantly injured or was it a "dry" bite?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 24, 2012, 06:37:45 PM
^ Odd,  in other soures say Joy attack and killed a poisonous snake, not the other way around.

anyone, knows the truth?  Joy v.s Snake
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Sarushka on July 24, 2012, 07:35:26 PM
^ Odd,  in other soures say Joy attack and killed a poisonous snake, not the other way around.


This is also the version I've read.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: rgt9w on July 24, 2012, 08:02:04 PM
Interesting. The source I read it in was the English translation of "Empress Alexandra Feodorovna, Her Diaries: 1917 & 1918" by Stephen R. de Angelis.  I quote from the August 9, 1917 entry "Joy was bitten by a poisonous snake."

Now I'm very curious to figure out which is correct.  I would think if Joy had been bitten, there would have been subsequent entries of Joy's injuries by the Empress or anecdotes by other members of the family or suite given Joy was a family pet.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: rgt9w on July 25, 2012, 06:01:05 AM
Nicholas II does mention the snake incident also.

For those who speak the Russian language, here are the relevant sentences from Nicholas' and Alexandra's diaries.

Alexandra:  "Джой укушен ядовитой змеей."

Nicholas: "Джоя укусила змея."
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Inok Nikolai on July 26, 2012, 03:39:46 PM
Nicholas II does mention the snake incident also.

For those who speak the Russian language, here are the relevant sentences from Nicholas' and Alexandra's diaries.

Alexandra:  "Джой укушен ядовитой змеей."

Nicholas: "Джоя укусила змея."


Yes, that is what they recorded in their respective diaries.

This incident happended on the journey from Tsarskoe Selo to Tobolsk.

It is not mentioned in any of their extant letters.

Empress Alexandra reported it in the passive voice: "Joy was bitten by a poisonous snake".

Tsar Nicholas wrote in the active voice: "A snake bit Joy".
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: rgt9w on July 26, 2012, 06:27:30 PM
Thank you for verifying the translations.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Sarushka on July 26, 2012, 07:40:34 PM
Nicholas II does mention the snake incident also.

For those who speak the Russian language, here are the relevant sentences from Nicholas' and Alexandra's diaries.

Alexandra:  "Джой укушен ядовитой змеей."

Nicholas: "Джоя укусила змея."


Do you have the date of those entries handy? I'd like to note the incident in my copy of the diaries.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: rgt9w on July 27, 2012, 08:48:20 AM
Sarushka, it was entered for August 9, 1917.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Inok Nikolai on July 27, 2012, 09:43:41 AM
To be more precise: It was after the Imperial family had already arrived in Tobolsk, but were still living on the boat while the houses were being made ready for them.

It was during one of their daily excursions.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Sarushka on July 27, 2012, 04:49:00 PM
Sarushka, it was entered for August 9, 1917.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on September 25, 2012, 11:23:56 AM
So very glad to see this thread is still active. 

I've always found that humans show more of their true character when next to their pets.

AGRBear
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Post by: AGRBear on September 27, 2012, 03:51:48 PM
Katierina
(http://www.zakharov.ru/components/com_books/images/books/aleksandr_ii99/foto-yurevskaya-2.jpg)

Princess Ekaterina Dolgoroukaya
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Post by: AGRBear on October 02, 2012, 07:36:48 PM
I went through my collection and this is the only one I could find

(http://nd03.jxs.cz/945/846/569bf87b56_57866640_u.jpg)

From Alexander III  Photo Tour thread, p. 16
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 02, 2012, 07:40:41 PM
Aleksander III, MF, Ksenia and doggies
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4307/ne-nai.69/0_33e9b_e39ff643_-1-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on November 23, 2013, 09:12:16 PM
Been sometime that anyone has added any photos, therefore, many newbies do not know this list is here.  I have sometime this evening so I'll go search the new posts and see what I can find.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on January 17, 2014, 07:57:14 PM
Ella, Nicholas and a Yorkie...who looks very interesting in what the Tsar of all the Russia's is eating

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/th_ellayorkieN.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/ellayorkieN.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on May 03, 2014, 06:17:25 PM
Allegedly taken at Tsraskoe Selo in 1917, by Monsieur Gilliard:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/th_74dac937.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/?action=view&current=74dac937.jpg)

completed photo as to the one earlier shown which only part of the photo
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Sarushka on December 29, 2014, 09:16:45 AM
Aleksei's dog, named Shot:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Shot_zps1582fc9b.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/sarahelizabethii/media/Romanov/Shot_zps1582fc9b.jpg.html)

Source: https://fotki.yandex.ru/users/eavm/album/452599/
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on March 05, 2015, 05:02:57 PM
The link above this post is in Russian.  Since it doesn't show the dog on the page,  is the link broken?  If not,  can you direct us so we can find it?  Is there a clue to a date for this photo?

Thankyou.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on March 05, 2015, 05:27:30 PM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/King_Charles_Spanie.1.jpg) (http://s55.photobucket.com/user/AGRBear3/media/King_Charles_Spanie.1.jpg.html)

As far as we know,  the King Charles coloring was similar to the one shown here.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on March 05, 2015, 05:51:08 PM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Joy.jpg)

Joy

THE FATE OF THE ROMANOVS by King and Wilson p. 364 tell us that  Joy was found with Michael Letemin when he was arrested.  



Aleksei's dog, named Shot:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Shot_zps1582fc9b.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/sarahelizabethii/media/Romanov/Shot_zps1582fc9b.jpg.html)


The dog "Shot" was probably the dog before Joy.  Does anyone have anything in the diaries that talk about Joy as a pup or anywhere that tells us how old Joy was?  Or why he became Alexis's dog???
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on March 05, 2015, 05:58:27 PM
Evpatoria, May 1916

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/6633fb7aa1a1600af74df380a66f9268/tumblr_njoidq79PP1s8tajho2_1280.jpg)

ГА РФ, ф. 683 оп. 1 д. 125 л. 8 фото 110
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Michael HR on March 09, 2015, 09:55:49 AM
The IF were indeed animal lovers especially Alexis. So touching to see them with the pets
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: TimM on March 10, 2015, 07:11:44 AM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/King_Charles_Spanie.1.jpg)

My friend has a dog that looks just like this one.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: thebelgianhare on August 25, 2015, 08:35:10 PM
Now here's a question that will blow the cobwebs of the brain away!... Do we know the names of any of the Tsar's horses?

Nicholas often took the time to bury his horses when they had passed and from the pictures it looks like the Emperor rode beautifully. His position for example, as can be expected, is spot on. The Emperor was often photographed with his horses and mentioned them many times in his writing. He must have thought quite a lot about them.

with many Romanovs being fond of horses and in in the Horse Guards and the like, how much, (if any) manual work would they have done with the horses and at the stables? I know nearly nothing of the routine of regiments etc and would love to know more, perhaps someone with more military knowledge could help. Would nobles have had to brush the horses, clean tack, exercise them, and muck out etc, or would this always be done by someone else. Obviously on official days and big occasions I imagine the horses would be prepared in advance for them but I wondered about the daily routine of a horse regiment and likes of GD Pavel, Dmitri, Nicholas etc how much involvement other than riding they would've had with their animals. Perhaps in their youths they were expected to be more hands on - if it were the navy one would be involved with many manual things on deck growing up, I wondered if this was the same for the cavalry.There nevertheless seems to be a genuine and lifelong interest in the equine world for many Romanov members that goes way beyond just the status of having a beautiful, useful, and expensive animal. Many a portrait featured the men with their horses and of course many a Grand duchess photograph featured them too :)

some nice examples from the forum:-
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/ws0bqc.jpg)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2itrhao.jpg)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/ap8p69.jpg)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/s0x113.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 19, 2016, 06:37:05 PM
Constantinople wrote in the topic THE TSAR'S HORSES on 4 Aug 2010:
>>The finest stables in town were the Imperial Stables on the Moika Canal. They were originally built in 1720-3 by the German architect, Gobel, but they were rebuilt by Vasilii Stasov in 1817-23. At the center of the main facade of the building seen here, is a large church with an Ionic loggia facing the street. The building was huge and complex, it had four long facades bend to conform to its' location and it enclosed a large courtyard.

The Imperial Court required hundreds of fine animals every day to conduct its' normal business and many more on special occasions. The Tsar had his own personal horses, which were kept mostly at Tsarskoe Selo and Gatchina. Deep relationships often developed between the sovereign and his mounts. Many of these horses served their masters for years, accompanying their masters on a daily basis and also riding in parades and taking part in battles. It was hard work, but these horses were well cared for. Their stablemen came from across Russia and all over the world. They had Russian groomsmen, English trainers and German doctors to look after them. They lived in equine luxury near the Tsar's palaces and often accompanied him on his foreign travels. Their equipment and tack was the finest to be had, and it was kept in tip-top shape at all times. When the working days of these pampered animals were over they were sent to the Imperial stud farm at Tsarskoe Selo. Even in retirement they were remembered. The Tsar and his family would often visit their mounts in retirement. At the end of their days they were given funerals and buried in the horse cemetery, there graves honoring them by name, date of birth and death, and the Tsar they served.

<<

The breeds used for stud for the officers in the Tsar's army changed through time.  I do know about my great grandfather's horses that were in the Tsar's and many officer's stable in the late 1800s.  Some of his mares came from Trakenhner and his studs was from the Persian-Arabians.  They were beautiful, 18 hands high and different colors.  Many regiments rode one color horse.  Popular was the greys for the Tsar and his generals.  Orlov horses were trotters.  The father of Leo Tolstoy bred horses but the author wasn't interested and sold all of them.  There were the Hoffmann's horses that bred Orlov with Arabians.... Nathaniel Schlauch bred his Orlov trotter  stallion "Piron" with his stock... "Piron" was one of the few German-Russian horses that survived WWI and became a star in the circus and was grand for parades.

According to Constantinople, TSAR'S HORSES,  Tatiana's diary names many of their horses.

Somewhere I had named the name of many of the various horses of many of the Tsars.   When or if I find it,  I'll post it.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 21, 2016, 06:26:29 PM
Joanna wrote a lot of data under the topic of The Horse Tomb of the Tsars:

Here is a photo of the Horse Cemetery of October 22, 2000:

http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/archives/compress/2000/157/32.htm

Joanna
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 21, 2016, 06:45:10 PM
wikipedia carries this magazine article:
>>THE ARABIAN MAGAZINE ....
NEWS
Vol. 76 June 2013 - The Crabbet & Russian ....
June 2013 - The Crabbet & Russian Edition, Russian

A Russian History
By Anne Finnerup   Wed, May 29, 2013
The Arabian horse in Russia has a very long history, going all the way back to the 12th century.

Photography unless stated from Finnerup Archives (lead photo:Naseem by Skowronek).
Historical times

The Arabian horse in Russia has a very long history, going all the way back to the 12th century. Ivan the Terrible had Arabians in his stables in the 1500s, and in the 18th century there were around 100 active Arabian breeding stallions in Russia.


From top: Amurath by Tajar; Arax by Amurath; Aswanin 1958 at the age of 18 years old; Mansour by Gamil Manial.
photos show

A nobleman by the name of Alexey Orlov created a new breed of horse – the Orlov Trotter – which had a very large percentage Arabian blood. Already at this point, the Arabian horse was highly treasured and very much in demand. Orlov paid the staggering sum of 60,000 Ruples for the stallion Smetanka who died after only one breeding season, but still had a profound influence on the breeding of both Orlov trotters and many other breeding programmes with a high percentage of Arabian pure-bred horses in their bloodlines.

Back then, the Arabian horse was not only praised for being a great endurance horse, a good hack, dressage horse, or family pet; no, their value was in their talent as war horses. They were strong, but still fast, agile and brave – all qualities that could potentially save the lives of their riders and that had made, for example, the Mamluk Cavalry near impossible to defeat until the introduction of the machine gun and the repeating rifles on the battlefields.

In 1889, another nobleman named Count Stroganov founded the stud that later became known as the Russian State Stud, Tersk. Count Stroganov, together with Prince Sherbatov, travelled several times to Arabia and Syria and they brought back with them valuable pure-bred Arabian horses.

Prince Sherbatov used them mostly for improving other breeds, but Count Stroganov created a programme for breeding pure-bred Arabians. In 1899, there were 66 pure-breds at the stud, including youngstock, and in 1901 they published the first stud book for Arabian horses in Russia.

The histories of the Russian and the Polish Arabian horses are inextricably intertwined; for many years, Poland was occupied by the Russians and, at least by the Russians, considered to be part of Russia, for example during the years 1864-1918 where the studs from the Polish/Russian areas bred many good pure-bred Arab horses that were also exported to the rest of Europe.
The famous stallions (1) Ursus (Dahman-Amir x Hagar), (2) Wan Dick (Vasco de Gama x Hela) and not least (3) Skowronek (Ibrahim x Jaskolka) are examples of horses that were born in areas that were Russian at the time, but which previously, as well as later, belonged to Poland.

During the Russian Civil War of 1917-1920, the entire breeding programme was blown to smithereens; all the horses disappeared, were killed or were lost forever. Not a single one of these valuable, wonderful creatures made it through this black time in the history of the Arabian horse. If any survived, they were scattered to the wind and never returned to the stud or the breeding programme.<<
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 21, 2016, 07:15:42 PM
More from wikipeda:
>>Polish and Russian breeding programs[edit]
With the rise of light cavalry, the stamina and agility of horses with Arabian blood gave an enormous military advantage to any army who possessed them. As a result, many European monarchs began to support large breeding establishments that crossed Arabians on local stock, one example being Knyszyna, the royal stud of Polish king Zygmunt II August, and another the Imperial Russian Stud of Peter the Great.[115]

European horse breeders also obtained Arabian stock directly from the desert or via trade with the Ottomans. In Russia, Count Alexey Orlov obtained many Arabians, including Smetanka, an Arabian stallion who became a foundation sire of the Orlov trotter.[117][118] Orlov then provided Arabian horses to Catherine the Great, who in 1772 owned 12 pure Arabian stallions and 10 mares.[117] By 1889 two members of the Russian nobility, Count Stroganov and Prince Shcherbatov, established Arabian stud farms to meet the continued need to breed Arabians as a source of pure bloodstock.[113][117]

In Poland, notable imports from Arabia included those of Prince Hieronymous Sanguszko (1743–1812), who founded the Slawuta stud.[119][120] Poland's first state-run Arabian stud farm, Janów Podlaski, was established by the decree of Alexander I of Russia in 1817,[121] and by 1850, the great stud farms of Poland were well-established, including Antoniny, owned by the Polish Count Potocki (who had married into the Sanguszko family); later notable as the farm that produced the stallion Skowronek.[120][122]<<
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on October 21, 2016, 07:40:37 PM
AP tells us:
>>The old horses are allowed to walk about in the meadow during summer. On the other side of the stable is a burial ground where a row of marble slabs mark the resting places of the favorite horses. Here lies "Ami" the horse that was with the Emperor Alexander I in Paris; "Flora", the horse that carried the Emperor Nicholas at Varna; and "Cob" the horse, which the late Tsar Alexander III used to ride, when he reviewed his troops.<<
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Post by: Forum Admin on October 22, 2016, 01:00:08 AM
BEAR!!!!! Welcome home!

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Post by: AGRBear on October 24, 2016, 03:44:46 PM
Thank you.

I finally have a little extra time and hope to pop in once in awhile.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Nictionary on March 31, 2017, 10:00:45 PM
I have been reading The Snow Mountain by Catherine Gavin and it depicts Vanka as being slaughtered by the guards after the Revolution.  Is there any factual basis to this?  Was Vanka still alive by that point, anyway?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 06, 2017, 01:55:22 PM
Kindly shared on http://judicialinvestigator.tumblr.com/

Maria Nikolaevna
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/e4efb98646cf4e5d62a8486c4a19d7b0/tumblr_onz9g1pvb51upjnawo1_400.png)

And this actually looks like a bear cub to me (though I guess it isn´t) :-D

Anastasia Nikolaevna
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/6d74b4149b23f84ea503f3325fc723cd/tumblr_onz9g1pvb51upjnawo2_500.png)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: edubs31 on April 06, 2017, 10:49:56 PM
I'm with you Ally and I'd like to know what breed of dog this is. Lovely photos too I might add particularly the one of AN which is a little clearer. 1915 or '16 I'm assuming?
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Maria the Beautiful on April 07, 2017, 09:26:17 AM
That's an adorable little dog.  With some white fur applied here and there in the right places it could be a baby panda.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 13, 2017, 06:49:43 AM
Olga Nikolaevna petting a horse

(http://68.media.tumblr.com/79cb8b86b274386ee3bd2118f4f415d6/tumblr_oo7bc6Zzrw1rh07xwo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Grandoffsky on January 22, 2018, 01:44:58 PM
I’ve read through this thread and run a quick search and couldn’t find any mention of GD Sergei Alexandrovich’s and GD Elizaveta Feodorovna’s family pets, so here’s a bit of information. The translations from Russian are my own so bare with me. All the quotes are from the 4 volume biography of GD Sergei Alexandrovich “Великий Князь Сергей Александрович Романов. Биографические материалы.”


As far as I’ve been able to find out, there were at least 2 dogs (later more) and 2 cats in the family.

The only mention of the cats so far I could find in a letter GD Sergei wrote to his brother GD Paul from 15 Feb 1893 (“we [GD Sergei and GD Elizabeth] spent the evening alone in my study, we read, surrounded by both cats, who bow to you”).

The names of the dogs were Shpunia [Шпуня] and Sitch [Сыч].

When GD Sergei went to Darmstadt in February 1884 for the official engagement to GD Elizabeth, in one of his letters home to his brother Paul he says: “I forgot to mention that Shpunia is with me”.

Shpunia is also mentioned in a funny poem written by GD Sergei’s adjutant M.P. Stepanov in 1880s that was left in the guestbook of GD Sergei’s country estate Ilinsoke. Since the poem is in Russian and I am officially awful at translating poetry, bare with me.
[original:
С последним ударом восми на часах
Великий Князь Сергий уже на ногах
Спешит он прогулку свою совершить,
За ним, хвост поджавши, собачка бежит!
Собака та – Шпуня, ее нет милей,
Резвее и краше, нежней и умней!!]

With the last beat of 8 o’clock
Grand Duke Sergei is already up
He’s is a hurry to finish his walk
A dog, tail tucked, after him runs,
This doggy is Shpunia, you’ll find none kinder
Faster or fairer, tenderer or smarter [..]

13 June 1892 GD Sergei writes to Paul: “Shpunia and Sitch found a little rabbit, which we caught right away. Wife took it for herself”.

V. Dzhunkovsky, who served as GD Sergei’s adjutant at the time, writes to him on 22 Jul 1893: “Today, when I went for a swim with Forbiher, I met Paul with Shpunia and Sitch, who ran with me and was so excited to swim. It was so funny – Sitchy climbed on my back while I was swimming and scratched me awfully.”

Unfortunately Sitch died some time in January 1894, on 21 Jan GD Sergei writes to GD Paul “I was sure, You would be sorry for dear Sitch. I miss him so much, I can’t even express; I feel his absence on every step. Yesterday he was taken to Ilinskoe and buried in the birch alley.

On 13th December 1894, right after returning to Moscow after the death of Alexander III and marriage of Nicky and Alix, GD Sergei writes in his diary “Unfortunately Shpunia is feeling very bad – he’s very weak.” On 30th December he writes in his diary again “everybody went to skate, I went for a walk with the dogs. Shpunia is feeling very bad, he’ll have a surgery!!!”. For now I do not know what happened to Spunia afterwards.

I believe that the little black dog may be Shpunia. I think these are the pictures from the time of engagement in Darmstadt.
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y499/akselbante/6c5692b69b2a09b1e33f053ff53c4bdc_zpszgds6kek.jpg)
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y499/akselbante/S%20E%20Sp_zpsliislvsh.jpg)
Here at Ilinskoe on Ernie
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y499/akselbante/Sp%20on%20Ernie_zpsmsmwxdnf.jpg)
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y499/akselbante/Ella%20and%20Spunia_zpsa9y8lfog.jpg)

From GD Sergei’s letters and diaries we also find out about a monkey who was the family pet of his nephew Alexei Belevsky-Zhukovsky (son of GD Alexei Alexandrovich) and his first wife.

On 16 Feb 1894 GD Sergei writes to GD Paul : “Yesterday we drank tea at the Belevsky’s – it’s cosy and beautiful at theirs. They’ve got themselves a monkey and amuse themselves like children.” On 15th Feb he states the same in his diary: “at 5 with wife to Belevsky’s [..] drank tea and looked at everything [GD Sergei had acquired a house for his nephew and his wife (who was GD Elisabeth’s lady in waiting) in Moscow and helped to arrange everything.]- humorous monkey.” A few days later on 22nd Feb he writes in his diary again that they went to Belevskys for tea and “played with the monkey”.
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Kalafrana on January 23, 2018, 02:05:22 AM
All this shows a different side to Sergei!

Looks like a nice friendly dog with favourite snoozing spots!

Ann
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Grandoffsky on January 23, 2018, 02:50:47 AM
A few more pictures of the doggy that I think might be Shpunia:
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y499/akselbante/6e708b49ef3c532a4a9c567a483102bb_zpsfbchiaki.jpg)
Here on the table :)
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y499/akselbante/sp%20on%20table_zpsr9xbkwdl.jpg)
Withe Ernie
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y499/akselbante/12bf47bb055adf49e9bd379648a9c6ea_zps7gvgjpwx.jpg)
And I believe that this doggy is also pictured (under the table) in this 1886 portrait of GD Sergei at Ilinskoe by Lemoh
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y499/akselbante/caea1da631984f98b6b1c5fc849a71d1_zpsptskrfb6.jpg)

And here is Ella at Ilinskoe with a different doggy:
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y499/akselbante/ece353c4842d5133fb0975afd18a0b55_zpso3cy63si.jpg)
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Kalafrana on January 23, 2018, 06:13:09 AM
Whichever dog it was in all these pictures, Sergei was certainly very devoted to it.

He can't have been such a bad chap!

Ann
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Grandoffsky on January 23, 2018, 10:30:01 AM
Whichever dog it was in all these pictures, Sergei was certainly very devoted to it.

He can't have been such a bad chap!

Ann

I wish more people would be able to read GD Sergei's biographipcal materials and see for themselves what kind of person he was. It would be great if people could form their opinions from reliable sources rather than draw information from biased, badly researched opinions of others. But I guess that is a bit off topic here.

As for pets...

In 1892 DG Sergei and GDss Elizabeth also brought a dog from abroad for GD Paul. On 12 Nov 1892 he writes to his brother from Windsor "Found the dog for you. I think, it's suitable - small with yellow spots" and then later on 27 Nov from Darmstadt "the dog is with us - male, friendly."
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Grandoffsky on February 04, 2018, 11:38:08 AM
GD Sergei Alexandrovich’s diary 27 July 1877: “Mama let him [GD Paul] have a poodle – he’s delighted and smoked a little.”

(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y499/akselbante/76d628a920cc2bdf1dc3fdf2639e5a72_zpslvgjntz6.jpg)

source: Великий Князь Сергей Александрович Романов. Биографические материалы. Книга 2. 1877-1880
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: Grandoffsky on May 16, 2018, 11:00:24 AM

On 13th December 1894, right after returning to Moscow after the death of Alexander III and marriage of Nicky and Alix, GD Sergei writes in his diary “Unfortunately Shpunia is feeling very bad – he’s very weak.” On 30th December he writes in his diary again “everybody went to skate, I went for a walk with the dogs. Shpunia is feeling very bad, he’ll have a surgery!!!”. For now I do not know what happened to Spunia afterwards.

Unfortunately this is what I found out about Shpunia - (24 July 1895 while GD Seregi and Gdss Elizabeth were abroad in Franzensbad GD Sergei writes in his diary)

"Kornilov writes that Shpunia, my dear, loyal friend died! Such an enormous, genuine sorrow! 15 years we have been inseparable. 15 years - such a large part of my life and holds so many memories! It is sad and painful for me."
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on June 03, 2018, 07:45:24 PM
I'm with you Ally and I'd like to know what breed of dog this is. Lovely photos too I might add particularly the one of AN which is a little clearer. 1915 or '16 I'm assuming?

Some years ago, this puppy was talked about and several photos were shown.  If this is correct,  then this puppy died quite young.  When I have time,  I’ll dig back through the pages.

AGRB
Title: Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
Post by: AGRBear on June 03, 2018, 07:51:14 PM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AnastasiaJemmyWb.jpg)

I was sent this photo.   

Is the pup Jemmy?

AGRBear


The pup not Jimmi. The pup similar "Померанский шпиц" to. I think the pup is Швыбзик (Shwibzik)/ But he living little.