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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Balkan Royal Families => Topic started by: grandduchessella on April 05, 2005, 06:49:56 PM

Title: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 05, 2005, 06:49:56 PM
I saw that King Michael of Romania is part of the Romanian delegation to the Pope's funeral. I presume he is Greek Orthodox not Roman Catholic and since he doesn't rule the country does anyone know why he's going? Did he have a personal relationship for example?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 07, 2005, 06:00:01 PM
Read on another board that KM was invited to Russia as part of the VE Day celebrations. The ex-King was surpised by the invitation by the Russian government given their history.

An interesting note--while KM might not be a reigning head of state anymore, he is still the only living head of state from that era. I hadn't really thought about that.

I wonder if he's going to go?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on May 07, 2005, 09:59:33 PM
King Micheal may not be a "Head of State" but he seems to get invited to all the right "Politico" things by all the right "Politicos".

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Frederika on June 05, 2005, 11:30:14 AM
is queen Anna of Romania a relation to Princess Maria Louisa of Bulgaria?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 05, 2005, 01:01:21 PM
Yes. Both being  progeny of the prolific Roberto. Maria Luisa was a daughter, Anne a grand-daughter, her father being Rene, Roberto's son from his second marriage and therefore M-L's half brother.
I think I have that right.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: allanraymond on June 06, 2005, 09:12:05 AM
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Yes. Both being  progeny of the prolific Roberto. Maria Luisa was a daughter, Anne a grand-daughter, her father being Rene, Roberto's son from his second marriage and therefore M-L's half brother.
I think I have that right.


It looks right to me!

Maria Luisa (1870-1899) daughter of Roberto I of Bourbon-Parma (1848-1907) and his first wife Princess Maria Pia delle Grazie of Bourbon-Two Sicilies is at:
http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/Bourbon_Parma_Royal_Family.htm#38.1

and Queen Anne's father René  (1894-1962) son of Roberto I and his second wife Infanta Maria Antónia of Portugal is at:
http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/Bourbon_Parma_Royal_Family.htm#38.S

(Note: for some unknown reason you may have to cut and paste the links)

Allan Raymond
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 14, 2005, 09:56:24 PM
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/5/38D4D252-BE7E-4943-A6A9-4E3C1B32A05F.html

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 15, 2005, 07:37:03 AM
http://www.answers.com/topic/regele-mihai-vatican-jpg
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 16, 2005, 11:48:53 PM
King Michael is orthodox [by law he has to]. He even insisted that his children would be orthodox and because of that he had problems with the Vatican in the 50's. Then the catholic-orthodox relations improved in the 60's and he visited John Paul II several times. I presume all was forgotten and the pope appreciated his lifetime moral integrity.

p.s. even King Michael is not a monarch anymore he is KING nevertheless; please don’t use ex-king, it’s incorrect;
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 17, 2005, 12:07:56 AM
I don't particularly like this photo from the pope's funeral but it's the first time I'm putting a photo on a forum, so I'm practicing on this one.

King Michael is the second from the right, among romanian politicians. :(

(http://img296.echo.cx/img296/103/83267je.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on June 19, 2005, 06:12:59 PM
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I don't particularly like this photo from the pope's funeral but it's the first time I'm putting a photo on a forum, so I'm practicing on this one.

King Michael is the second from the right, among romanian politicians. :(

http://img296.echo.cx/img296/103/83267je.jpg (http://img296.echo.cx/img296/103/83267je.jpg)

Other than Kig Michael Of Romanoia, who are the other gentlemen?

Tampabay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 19, 2005, 06:22:18 PM
From left to right:

1. Emil Constantinescu [former president 1996-2000]
2. Ion Iliescu [former president 1990-1996, 2000-2004]
3. Traian Basescu [president from 2004]
4. King Michael
5. Calin Popescu Tariceanu [prime-minister from 2004]
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 12:54:44 PM
(http://img194.echo.cx/img194/3450/0057mw.jpg)
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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 12:57:34 PM
Wedding photo, June 10 1948, Athens, The Royal Palace.

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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 01:23:36 PM
(http://img45.echo.cx/img45/8525/0101bq.jpg)
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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on June 27, 2005, 02:49:20 PM
she never actually got to be a queen... i wonder if she wanted to...
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 03:19:42 PM
I don't know if she wanted to be queen but I bet she would have been a cherished one. She's very… warm.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 03:22:34 PM
My grandma says that every girl in her high school was crazy about him. ::)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 03:35:43 PM
Stockholm, 1996, with Princess Margarita.

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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 03:41:13 PM
With his mother, Queen Elena [1941?].

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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 03:45:00 PM
I love this photo.

The return of the queen from exile, Michael's first act as a king, 1940.

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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marc on June 28, 2005, 06:20:33 AM
This is a great picture of their wedding!Is there any other glittering picture of Anne?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 28, 2005, 07:59:48 AM
I'll try to find others for you Marc.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on June 29, 2005, 01:54:03 PM
he didn't have it easy for him, that's for sure :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 29, 2005, 02:18:34 PM
His father gave him a very good education but deprived him of his mother. Because of that I think he had a pretty sad childhood. He could visit her in Florence from time to time, and those were the only times he would smile [or so they say].
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Finelly on June 29, 2005, 04:46:46 PM
I'm curious as to what Michael did during the Ceaucescu regime in terms of speaking out for the rights of Romanians, or anything like that?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 29, 2005, 08:25:35 PM
He couldn't have done much; he didn't have much influence outside his royal connections. He was not received by President Truman for example. You probably know of the famous distribution of power after the WWII among the allies. Romania was 90% under the influence of the Soviets.

In the first years of the exile he supported a phantom government. He kept touch with all that was happening in the country, as much as he could.

While in exile he kept a low profile, a sort of an "austere" live, in order to be in solidarity with the sufferings of people and the country.

I remember hearing each January 1 the king's speech to the Romanian people on Radio Free Europe and hoping for better times.

Is it much, is it little? Who can judge?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on June 29, 2005, 09:36:27 PM
When Michael moved to Switzerland, he had to agree to avoid politics while in the country.  Moreover, he had to support a family in exile - he had no private fortune.

Actually, Michael did meet with President Truman.  The meeting took place at the White House on March 22, 1948.  In fact, the president suggested that the king stay longer in DC.  Blair House (the official guest house, across the street from the White House) was offered to Michael and Queen Anne.  But he and his mother traveled out to the Midwest and to Texas.  The first 17 years of his exile, he was able to broadcast New Year's messages on the BBC and Radio Free Europe. In 1979, he was able to send a special message to the Romanian people and again started broadcasting in 1986.  

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He couldn't have done much; he didn't have much influence outside his royal connections. He was not received by President Truman for example. You probably know of the famous distribution of power after the WWII among the allies. Romania was 90% under the influence of the Soviets.

In the first years of the exile he supported a phantom government. He kept touch with all that was happening in the country, as much as he could.

While in exile he kept a low profile, a sort of an "austere" live, in order to be in solidarity with the sufferings of people and the country.

I remember hearing each January 1 the king's speech to the Romanian people on Radio Free Europe and hoping for better times.

Is it much, is it little? Who can judge?

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 29, 2005, 10:17:23 PM
Thank you Marlene! You are better informed than me.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 30, 2005, 08:21:11 AM
Apparently the long legal wrangling over compensation for Peles castle has been settled--in Michael's favor. He has been awarded EUR 36 for it.


http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2005-06-28T174037Z_01_N28542577_RTRIDST_0_INTERNATIONAL-ROMANIA-KING-DC.XML
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on June 30, 2005, 08:38:38 AM
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Thank you Marlene! You are better informed than me.


Thank you.  I write about royalty - especially Queen Victoria's Descendants.  I have an extensive clip file on Michael going back to when he was born (and through the present.)   I have also corresponded with the king for many years .  I've got nice photos in my collection as well, but being a fusspot about copyright, I would never consider posting a photograph that was taken in the last 75 years.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on June 30, 2005, 08:42:14 AM
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Thank you Marlene! You are better informed than me.


by the way, there are two English-language bios on the king.  Crown Against Sickle, which was published in the 1950s (the author is Arthur Gould Lee), and the more recent (as in this year) bio by Ivor Porter.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 30, 2005, 11:36:59 AM
grandduchessella
Finally! I hope lots of interesting events will follow at Peles Castle [he has the right to use the Castle for special occasions] that we will comment on here.


Marlene
Do you think I should be more careful will the photos I post on this forum, more selective?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on June 30, 2005, 12:40:37 PM


"Marlene
Do you think I should be more careful will the photos I post on this forum, more selective?
[/quote]

That is your decision.  People enjoy seeing photos, but I do not advocate violating intellectual property laws.  I have many, many photos (and even more postcards) in my personal collection.  But if the item is under 75 years old, I would have to get permission from the copyright holder.    Images older than 75 years are also subject to intellectual property laws - not the original print but prints from the original.   If you order a photo from the Royal Archives, the print you receive will be copyrighted, even if the image is older than 75 years.


This doesn't stop people from doing it.  I don't want to get into an argument about it ... It's not up to me to stop anyone = but I won't do it.  In the early 1990s, I took action regarding intellectual property, but it was to me personally ...  as I said it is your choice.  
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 30, 2005, 01:03:46 PM
You're right, of course! I'll try to be more careful.

75years  :'( ... isn't it tooooo long?  ;D
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on June 30, 2005, 01:52:43 PM
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Apparently the long legal wrangling over compensation for Peles castle has been settled--in Michael's favor. He has been awarded EUR 36 for it.


http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2005-06-28T174037Z_01_N28542577_RTRIDST_0_INTERNATIONAL-ROMANIA-KING-DC.XML


that paul of romania is really lame, imo  ::)
why is he contesting these things?!
it's totally annoying
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 30, 2005, 02:34:27 PM
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that paul of romania is really lame, imo  ::)
why is he contesting these things?!
it's totally annoying


I think this is his vocation in life. He has no better thing to do but to harass the RF for his "rights". The mistakes Carol II has made will still pursue the RF for some time. But at least support for “Prince” Paul is diminishing, even among his Romanian-communist friends. The parliament is said to have voted in favor of the RF with only 16 votes against.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on June 30, 2005, 02:51:43 PM
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You're right, of course! I'll try to be more careful.

75years  :'( ... isn't it tooooo long?  ;D


No, not long at all ... Intellectual property laws are tightened and extended all the time.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on June 30, 2005, 02:52:47 PM
The Romanian president still has to sign the legislation.  Michael won't get all the money at once - it will be paid in increments.


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Apparently the long legal wrangling over compensation for Peles castle has been settled--in Michael's favor. He has been awarded EUR 36 for it.


http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2005-06-28T174037Z_01_N28542577_RTRIDST_0_INTERNATIONAL-ROMANIA-KING-DC.XML

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on June 30, 2005, 02:53:37 PM


Paul Lambrino's wife wears the balls in the family.

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I think this is his vocation in life. He has no better thing to do but to harass the RF for his "rights". The mistakes Carol II has made will still pursue the RF for some time. But at least support for “Prince” Paul is diminishing, even among his Romanian-communist friends. The parliament is said to have voted in favor of the RF with only 16 votes against.

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on June 30, 2005, 03:02:53 PM
Marlene

about Intellectual property laws,
I sure wish they will be better enforced in Romania, my parents deserve it! [don't ask for details]

about The Romanian president
He will sign it for sure!

about the b... of Paul Lambrino's wife
EXACTLY! ;D I heard him speak... he's a joke, so she must be a fox! ;D
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 03, 2005, 05:18:10 PM
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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 03, 2005, 05:19:26 PM
Lausanne 1947
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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 06, 2005, 10:08:52 PM
I saw her several times... this is exactly what I would say: nice, natural and warm! :)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Iskenderbey on July 08, 2005, 10:58:14 AM
Do we have any information on the relationship between Queen Anne and Queen Mother Helen?
Did the Queen Mother approve of her son's choice?
Just wondering.
Regards
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on July 08, 2005, 11:46:02 AM
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Do we have any information on the relationship between Queen Anne and Queen Mother Helen?
Did the Queen Mother approve of her son's choice?
Just wondering.
Regards


Yes, Helen approved of Anne
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on July 11, 2005, 09:36:42 AM
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Do we have any information on the relationship between Queen Anne and Queen Mother Helen?
Did the Queen Mother approve of her son's choice?
Just wondering.
Regards


I have about six hours of tape recordings with Queen Anne - interviews I conducted in 2000 as I was woking on a book on King Michael, which we published for his 80th birthday.

Her Majesty was quite candid and asked that I do not publish any of it until she is dead.

There are things I can say in the meantime, like the fact that she was terribly foind of Queen Mother Helen and was always very respectful of the relationship the King shared with his mother.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on July 11, 2005, 01:34:30 PM
Arturo,

I would love to meet Queen Anne.  Besides being a queen, she seems like one of those people who if you look up "Lady" in the dictionary you would find no definition; just her beautiful picture.

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 11, 2005, 05:19:31 PM
TampaBay
You are so right!

Arturo
the photos I posted here are from the book you're mentioning [I hope there is no copyright problem].
I was also fortunate to meet the queen... no words, just happiness!!!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 13, 2005, 12:06:14 PM
There are some political problems in Romania at this moment and I can't find out if the law regarding the properties of King Michael has been signed by the president and if it is going to be enforced. Does anyone know anything about this?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Iskenderbey on July 18, 2005, 02:35:29 PM
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There are things I can say in the meantime, like the fact that she was terribly foind of Queen Mother Helen and was always very respectful of the relationship the King shared with his mother.

Arturo Beéche


Thank you for the information!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Alicky1872 on July 19, 2005, 12:26:01 PM
Ok, I have a bit of time on my hands today, and thought I'd post these pictures. I've always been struck by how much King Michael and Queen Anne resemble Brian Wilson (of The Beach Boys) and Ethel Kennedy, respectively. (To me anyway!) And strangely, their characters are remarkably similiar to their "lookalikes" as well. King Michael and Brian Wilson both suffered a terrible childhood due to a cruel father, they're both intensely shy, introspective, but willful and courageous men all the same. Queen Anne and Ethel Kennedy are both very strong, "spunky" women, very lively, wonderfully candid, full of life--with gorgeous smiles!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/gurutiek/kingmichael.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/gurutiek/BRIANWILSON.jpg)
King Michael (left) and Brian Wilson


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/gurutiek/anneromania.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/gurutiek/kennedy.jpg)
Queen Anne (left) and Ethel Kennedy



Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 19, 2005, 06:59:22 PM
I don't know Ethel Kennedy so I can't say anything about that resemblance but Michael is by far more handsome than Brian! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Alicky1872 on July 20, 2005, 07:28:36 AM
Does King Michael have a good singing voice?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 20, 2005, 11:00:56 AM
I'm afraid he doesn't! ;D
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 20, 2005, 09:30:18 PM
But he likes his Beethoven! ;D

(http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2907/mihaiuntitled15nl.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Alicky1872 on July 21, 2005, 03:16:31 AM
 :o :o :o I LOVE IT!! Can't get over this one! Look at him! Adorable!  :D Thank you, Palimpsest! Is this from his 80th birthday celebration book? I've been meaning to buy it forever now! Now I really must!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on July 21, 2005, 08:06:00 AM
oooh boy what a look! i looove that photo ;D


i love human photos of royals :D
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 21, 2005, 11:22:18 AM
Yes, almost all the photos I posted here are from that book Mrs. Eddy. It's my only source, since I'm far away from my country right now.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Alicky1872 on July 22, 2005, 04:23:39 AM
Ooh, you have more photos at home?  :D Thank you so much for posting the pictures that you have, Palimpsest! I've truly enjoyed them!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 30, 2005, 11:28:33 AM
Yes Mrs. Eddy, I have some, not many, at home. I'll try to find others to post here.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Alicky1872 on July 30, 2005, 06:29:55 PM
Oh thank you, Palimpsest! Dont' trouble yourself though--take your time! I'm afraid most pictures I have of him are well known ones...
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 30, 2005, 07:07:39 PM
In their house in Ayot-St. Lawrence, England, 1950
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Post by: palimpsest on July 30, 2005, 07:19:14 PM
1998
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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 30, 2005, 07:21:46 PM
1998, "Eagle show"
with P. Margarita and P. Radu

(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8696/untitled1gh3kh.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Alicky1872 on July 31, 2005, 10:18:53 AM
Thank you! The King and Queen look as happy today (well in the most recent 1998 picture) as they did when they first married, and that's saying something for a couple married so long... Beautiful pictures.  :)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 31, 2005, 10:02:16 PM
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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on July 31, 2005, 10:07:11 PM
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7717/untitled9mihai45kj.jpg)


King at 6 years [with the Patriarch, Queen Elena and P. Nicholas], going from the parliament to the Patriarchal Cathedral, Bucharest, 1927


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Post by: palimpsest on July 31, 2005, 10:12:43 PM




With Philip [Duke of Edinburgh] and George of Greece, 1928

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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on August 07, 2005, 03:54:56 AM
those are beautiful pictures, thanx a lot palimpsest! :)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 09, 2005, 10:04:06 AM
It seems that the parliament will decide on the restitution and compensations for the King Michael in fall, after the parliamentarian vacation. This is not good, because the sympathetic center-right government seems to have problems at this moment and they will probably not be able to gather strong support in this case. The only hope is that the former communists [PSD] will largely vote in favor, like they already did once.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Finelly on August 09, 2005, 12:08:10 PM
Have any polls been taken amongst the Romanian people as to how they view either the restoration of the monarchy or compensation, etc for Michael?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 09, 2005, 12:58:55 PM
Finelly

In favor of monarchy I think the best poll was around 10%, some years ago.

In favor of the compensations I don't know but I think much less. Even royalists think it is a compromise [they have a dangerous unrealistic image of the king]. The rest think it is unfair because many haven't received back their properties.

I think it is a good thing! I feel in time the people will realize that royalty is very good for sustainable growth, even without the monarchy in place!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Finelly on August 09, 2005, 01:02:15 PM
Yeah, I agree.  I just can't see the Romanian people thinking that they should restore the throne.

But I do think that a royal presence would be good for tourism, etc.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 09, 2005, 01:24:12 PM
Not just tourism. Because of the family perpetuating itself and seeing its interest in a long term, it tends to relate itself and enhance long-term plans, traditions. It is the best way to maintain traditions [of all sorts], each giving each other prestige. Politicians tend not to see on the long term and to sacrifice long-term benefits for short-term ones. For me sustainable development [of every kind, even cultural] = royalty!

Romanians will probably learn in time that the RF is ALWAYS THERE and this is an important renewable asset that needs to be “exploited”, like the power of the wind!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on August 10, 2005, 12:09:02 PM
i am a monarchist but i have to say while monarchy is a good thing, it is also expensive. if a country can afford it, it's good and it should have it. but if not, you have to settle for less things...

right now i'm not sure romania can afford monarchy...


and tbh, i'm not sure monarchy wants romania anymore
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 11, 2005, 07:00:13 AM
ilyala
Monarchy may "look" expensive but the long-term benefits are so great [my opinion] that even if it was expensive we couldn't "afford" something else. You know the saying: "we're to poor to buy low-quality things"!
Politicians have a tendency to look only on short-term interests and in a Republic there is nobody to "take care" of long term interests. A family [self-renewing] is exactly what is needed!
In Romania institutions of all kind seem to have a very short life. No sustained effort can be done without some sort of institutional stability [not excluding flexibility, of course]. Who is there to look after them in 4-5 generations [for example]?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 11, 2005, 07:06:08 AM
one more thing
There is a "low-cost" way of "using" royalty... without monarchy! They can act as royals, doing their long-term duty, without actually being on the political forefront, if they are given the proper respect.
Of course, in my opinion, monarchy would be even better. ;D
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on August 11, 2005, 11:50:27 AM
i completely agree with you on the long term benefits. unfortunatly most people say 'screw tomorrow, i wanna be good today'

that's why environmentalists are unpopular, because they close factories that pollute where people lose their jobs. and people don't realize that that prolonged their lives. they just want their jobs back :)

same with monarchy
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 11, 2005, 04:12:14 PM
Royals are important also as a cultural accumulation of meaning. All sorts of meanings are thrown upon them [even sacred ones] that enrich in time a nation’s ethos. If you take that away [like in our country] a rich mixture of history and intricate interpretations of life go to the drains. And those who don’t remember their history are bound to make the same errors again and again!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: a_german_royalist on August 12, 2005, 08:36:21 PM
King Mihai isn't the only head of state of the WW2 period who is still alive. Tsar Simeon II became head of state of Bulgaria in 1943 and he is not only well alive, but also Prime Minister of Bulgaria and de jure still king.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on August 12, 2005, 09:50:42 PM
Quote
King Mihai isn't the only head of state of the WW2 period who is still alive. Tsar Simeon II became head of state of Bulgaria in 1943 and he is not only well alive, but also Prime Minister of Bulgaria and de jure still king.



Simeon was a child monarch -- he had a regency rule for him in his name ... He played no role in ruling his country during the second world war II
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 13, 2005, 07:23:42 PM
King Michael, military dictator Ion Antonescu [on his left] and German allies, National day, May 10, 1942

(http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/3461/untitled4mihai114bv.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 13, 2005, 07:24:20 PM
King Michael surrounded by the first communist government and parliament after the scam elections of 1946

(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/9962/untitled6mihai89mp.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 13, 2005, 07:25:00 PM
1946, King Michael decorated by Stalin as a war hero and receiving back as a “gift” a Romanian military vessel confiscated by Stalin two years before

(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/9352/untitled3mihai347qw.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 13, 2005, 07:32:35 PM
October 1947, King Michael with an American war correspondent and his dog Azo at Peles Castle, two month before his forced abdication

(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4742/untitled2mihai673xd.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas




He sure had an interesting life!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 25, 2005, 03:13:46 PM
King Michael at Hoover Institute

(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4973/kingmichael4gy.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 25, 2005, 03:15:07 PM
in Romania

(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8800/regele4tp.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 25, 2005, 03:15:56 PM
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5454/regele22ww.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 25, 2005, 04:29:33 PM
King Michael received in Bucharest in 1997

(http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/8937/untitled1micvfrt1nm.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 25, 2005, 04:30:52 PM
(http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/5148/untitled1mic5jv.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on August 25, 2005, 04:33:13 PM
1998 Baptism of Christ in the presence of the Romanian Royal Family, Stavropoleos Church, Bucharest

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7052/rege9zb.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Grand Duke on September 08, 2005, 06:16:29 PM
Michael

(http://econc10.bu.edu/economic_systems/NatIdentity/images/king_michal_frs.gif)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on October 06, 2005, 05:59:30 AM
King Michael,a heartwarming picture,
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1070712279&str...
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 06, 2005, 06:45:09 PM
My favorite quote about Michael of Romania is from his wife. When asked to describe her husband in one word, she said "good". These pictures clearly show his goodness.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on October 27, 2005, 07:42:03 AM
Press Release - October 2, 2005
Carol I National Defence University

Saturday October 1, His Majesty King Michael and HSH Prince Radu attended the military ceremony celebrating the opening of the courses at the National Defence University in Bucharest. Recently, by Government decision, the University received the name of Carol I National Defence University. His Excellency President Traian Basescu, His Beatitude Patriarch Teoctist, Defence Minister Teodor Atanasiu and the Chief of General Staff, General Dr. Eugen Badalan also attended.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on October 27, 2005, 08:35:13 PM
To All fans of Missy:

King Michael desevers some peace, rest, relaxation and his Daughter on the throne watching over Romania as he has done for the last sixty years carrying on "Missy's" legacy!

I have no doubt he was proud the Millitary Institute was named for his great-grandfather Carol I.

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 02, 2005, 02:01:29 PM
(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7234/11012708014008mn.jpg)

August 1, 1927
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on November 05, 2005, 12:47:17 PM
Was King Michael old enough to remember his "grandfather Nando", King Ferdinand of Romania?

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on November 05, 2005, 12:51:13 PM
he was 6 when nando died and 16 when missy died. i'm pretty sure he remembered them :)...
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on November 05, 2005, 05:22:45 PM
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I am not quite sure what uniform is being referred to as the picture has disappeared, but if it is the Romanian Army uniform, that is the typical (as Palimsest says) normal Romanian uniform, it is not at all ridiculous !  What is wrong with it? Have you seen Prince Charles or The Duke of Edinburgh in a busby?  Is that ridiculous?  I don't think so, it is symbolic and traditional.

 ::)

Marina


Is he acting, dresed-up as an actor or a member of the armed forces?  when, where and how did he receive the military rank he sports here?  Why would he choose this ridiculous uniform?  Has HM given him military rank (which I doubt), or did he receive it from the government?

Mr Duda is a theatre actor, and a talented one, according to some who know him - never did I know he was also a military man, unless he is play-acting in the court of Niarniania, an operetta kingdom of his own creation?

I used to think he ws  great asset to the family.  My opinion has changed, drastically.  These srots of preposterous outings only serve to show him as a self-propelling nouveau-something, with no pride in who he really is, trying to convince the ignoring public that he is what he is not.

Sad really, what the family has fallen to...  :-(

Arturo Beéche

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on November 06, 2005, 04:43:15 AM
where is all this coming from? it can't possibly come from wearing a romanian millitary uniform at a romanian parade!  :o
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marina Cummings on November 06, 2005, 05:54:34 AM
Quite...

Oh dear oh dear, Mr Beeche! Everyone is entitled to their opinion, fair enough -  so mine is that I totally, totally disagree with you. Also, you are out of date with your information.

Prince Radu is indeed an active member, an officer, in the Romanian armed forces. As His Majesty King Michael is sitting next to Prince Radu in the photo, he must not have any problem with this…. Prince Radu is a great asset to the Family, which is going from strength to strength, the family has not fallen at all, it has got better and stronger and much more interesting in recent years.  

Prince Radu is a Colonel and received the rank from the Army, I don’t think the Government hands out “ranks” in the armed forces. His website shows background to his military involvement and promotion:
- 2002, Graduated from the National College of Defence of Romania,
- 2003, George C. Marshall College Garmisch, Germany,
- 2004 John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, Program for Senior Executives in National and International Security.
- PhD candidate in Military Science, National Defence University,Bucharest
- Member of the Board of Directors of "House of NATO" Association in Bucharest

He has made a great success of working extremely hard to merit his place in the Royal Family, gaining the approval if not the admiration and affection of many who were initially against him, and denigrated him….Apart from his official job, he seems to be specializing in military things, and that is important for the Royal Family, the Army being a respected institution, and the King only had daughters, so they couldn’t very well do that.  Closeness to and involvement with the Army is important and traditional for any Royal Family, I don’t need to teach anybody on this Board about that (UK, Belgium, Luxembourg etc, etc) Presumably the King has encouraged him in this.

He has also written about 7 books, the latest one has just come out, in Romanian:”The Europe Within us “ In addition he is Patron of the British-Romanian Chamber of Commerce.  He has about 500 official engagements a year.Not bad. I think it is so unfair that thoroughly nice people, who work hard and do their best, are criticised for whatever they do…poor Princess Letizia is also attacked unfairly on other Boards….

As for the uniform, it is a ROMANIAN ordinary ground forces uniform. I am sure you will not be spending your Sunday checking out military websites, but this is one from the romanian army and you will see that there is nothing strange about Prince Radu’s….nor are Romanian uniforms very different from those of Bulgaria, Poland or even France, Belgium and so on…. If you don’t like European uniforms that is OK, but why insult other peoples’ national symbols,?and that is what flags, uniforms etc are.

http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/album04

Yours Sincerely
Marina Cummings

PS It is quite impressive for me to correspond with someone so well known , who is such an expert on all things Royal, and I hope that in the future we will find things that we agree on!

:-/
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on November 06, 2005, 09:37:38 AM
Quote

Is he acting, dresed-up as an actor or a member of the armed forces?  when, where and how did he receive the military rank he sports here?  Why would he choose this ridiculous uniform?  Has HM given him military rank (which I doubt), or did he receive it from the government?

Mr Duda is a theatre actor, and a talented one, according to some who know him - never did I know he was also a military man, unless he is play-acting in the court of Niarniania, an operetta kingdom of his own creation?

I used to think he ws  great asset to the family.  My opinion has changed, drastically.  These srots of preposterous outings only serve to show him as a self-propelling nouveau-something, with no pride in who he really is, trying to convince the ignoring public that he is what he is not.

Sad really, what the family has fallen to...  :-(

Arturo Beéche



I had no idea the man in the uniform was "old Duda Duda Da"!

If he is has no rank in the Romania army (active or retired is OK) then he has no right to wear a uniform and King Michael as head of the family should have tole him to change his clothes or stay home!

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marina Cummings on November 06, 2005, 10:02:43 AM
He is an active officer in the Romanian Army! So he was in the right place at the right time and dressed appropriately!  Read my longer post above!

Marina :P
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on November 06, 2005, 11:16:13 AM
Dear Marina,

I am sure there are plenty of things we can agree on...this personage is one we probably will never agree on.  So let's leave it at that...  ;)

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 06, 2005, 12:16:29 PM
I know Prince Radu in person. He is much more clever than he looks. But he is overwhelmed by the "role" that he is in now.

However I think he has the capacity to surpass himself. I wish he had more humor and that he wouldn't try to avoid talking about unpleasant things related to himself and the family.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marina Cummings on November 07, 2005, 10:16:38 AM
Oh OK, but as you know him, perhaps you can advise him to lighten up!!! Princess Margarita has the reputation of having a great sense of humour, so he MUST have one too in private, it would be really difficult for her to have chosen anyone without a sense of humour! :D
Also, in Princess Margarita's preface to the book"King Michael of Romania" she writes that her father's sense of humour saved him from sadness and depression on many an occasion, and some of this must have rubbed off on Prince Radu...
I'm not sure what the unpleasant things related to his family are, but I guess they apply the saying "Never complain, never explain".  It is better this way, rather than someone who "bleeds" all over the place and washes their dirty linen in public!

Anyway, tomorrow there is "Open Doors" at the Elisabeth Palace:

Press release

His Majesty King Michael I ‘s Press ofice announces:

On Tuesday November 8th, from 10 a.m. to 12 noon, Elisabeth Palace will open it’s doors to all those who wish to personally congratulate His Majesty King Michael the 1st for his 84th birtday and on the occasion of his namesday, Saint Michael.

For this celebration, people from all walks of life are expected: from politics and from the non-governmental sector, from civil society, school pupils and students, journalists, the young and the elderly, from Bucharest and from other parts of Romania.

His Majesty the King will be present as will HRH The Princess Margareta and HSH Prince Radu.

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 07, 2005, 02:16:42 PM
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Oh OK, but as you know him, perhaps you can advise him to lighten up!!! Princess Margarita has the reputation of having a great sense of humour, so he MUST have one too in private, it would be really difficult for her to have chosen anyone without a sense of humour! :D
Also, in Princess Margarita's preface to the book"King Michael of Romania" she writes that her father's sense of humour saved him from sadness and depression on many an occasion, and some of this must have rubbed off on Prince Radu...
I'm not sure what the unpleasant things related to his family are, but I guess they apply the saying "Never complain, never explain".  It is better this way, rather than someone who "bleeds" all over the place and washes their dirty linen in public!

Anyway, tomorrow there is "Open Doors" at the Elisabeth Palace:

Press release

His Majesty King Michael I ‘s Press ofice announces:

On Tuesday November 8th, from 10 a.m. to 12 noon, Elisabeth Palace will open it’s doors to all those who wish to personally congratulate His Majesty King Michael the 1st for his 84th birtday and on the occasion of his namesday, Saint Michael.

For this celebration, people from all walks of life are expected: from politics and from the non-governmental sector, from civil society, school pupils and students, journalists, the young and the elderly, from Bucharest and from other parts of Romania.

His Majesty the King will be present as will HRH The Princess Margareta and HSH Prince Radu.



what I meant Marina was that on his website he never says anything about delicate problems that make headlines in Romanian newspapers [like the allegations of "prince" Paul Lambrino or the "stolen" paintings of the Carol I collection] as if they don't exist

I wish there was a website of the whole Romanian Royal Family with a forum where people can talk about all these
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 07, 2005, 02:26:00 PM
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/999/80694752ef.jpg)

** FILE ** Romania's WWII time monarch, former King Michael I, center, walks behind soldiers carrying a wreath in Bucharest, Romania, during ceremonies to celebrate 60 years since Romania switched sides in the war joining the Allies in the fight against Hitler in this Monday Aug. 23 2004 file photo. Former Romanian King Michael, the world's last surviving monarch who played a role in World War II, said, in an interview with the Associated Press in Bratislava, Slovakia, late Tuesday May 4 2005, he was surprised to have been invited for the upcoming celebrations in Russia marking the 60th anniversary of the Allies WWII victory in Europe. (AP Photo/Vadim Ghirda)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 07, 2005, 02:28:43 PM
(http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/7196/80694814cf.jpg)

** FILE ** Romania's WWII time monarch, former King Michael I, right, faces a group of veterans in Bucharest, Romania, during ceremonies to celebrate 60 years since Romania switched sides in the war joining the Allies in the fight against Hitler in this Moday Aug. 23 2004 file photo. Former Romanian King Michael, the world's last surviving monarch who played a role in World War II, said, in an interview with the Associated Press in Bratislava, Slovakia, late Tuesday May 4 2005, he was surprised to have been invited for the upcoming celebrations in Russia marking the 60th anniversary of the Allies WWII victory in Europe. (AP Photo/Vadim Ghirda)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 07, 2005, 02:31:50 PM
(http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/6326/22054999lx.jpg)

Romania's former King Michael I, 76, poses at an orthodox monastery in Sambata de Sus, central Romania, on Aug. 28, 1997, during his tour of the country. Michael I was forced to abdicate by the Communists in 1947. (AP Photo/Robert Ghement)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 07, 2005, 02:34:47 PM
(http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/9753/41817244kd.jpg)

Former king of Romania Michael I, lays flowers by a memorial cross, for the citizens killed in the 1989 anti-communist uprising that left about 1,000 people dead, in the University Square in Bucharest, Tuesday, Dec. 21, 1999. In the background is the King's wife Anne de Burbon Parma, right, and their daughter Princess Margaret, second from right. (AP Photo/Vadim Ghirda)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 07, 2005, 02:36:51 PM
(http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/9382/16948782ty.jpg)

King Michael of Romania waves to supporters in Revolution Square in the center of Bucharest, Romania Friday, Feb. 28, 1997 as his wife Anne de Burbon Parma, right, looks on. Thousands of well-wishers greeted the king on his return home Friday to the first official welcome since the communists forced him to abdicate and banished him 50 years ago. (AP Photo/Vadim Ghirda)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marina Cummings on November 07, 2005, 04:13:55 PM
Dear Palimpsest,

What beautiful pictures, they are quite overwhelming...King Michael is so incredible, so wise, so kind looking , so unearthly somehow. Forgive the emotion, but where do you get such photos? Probably I am just naive and overcome by all the suffering I see in his face for Romania.

I understand what you say about the RF putting out the truth, it would  indeed  be good for them to have a forum. I believe there was one, which was ruined by someone who posted tens of ugly messages saying that the King was a criminal etc. So it was closed.  Regarding all those allegations about paintings and so on, these were promenaded ad nauseam during Ceausescu's time and probably the RF got sick of the "intoxication" and lies.  Also this Lambrino character has gone so far recently that to answer him would be to sink to below the ground...Anyway, Lambrino's existence and aggression started before Prince Radu joined the family,so why should he be the one to try and talk about such things and elucidate people about them?  His Majesty has never, ever, talked about the Lambrino fiasco,(apart from a couple of official, legal press releases) so probably his family cannot do so either, and Prince Radu has to follow the family line on that subject.I don't think that it is for him to come in and say"OK,now I will fill you all in on my Family- in- law's problems" - No, much better that if and when the King decides, there is an official communiqué or position made public.

I hope there will be some pictures of the Open Doors at  Elisabeth Palace!

Marina




Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 07, 2005, 05:50:05 PM
most of the photos [those that have descriptions with AP] come from the Associated Press multimedia Archive; being a student in an American university I have free access to it from my online university library.



you are partially right in what concerns the "delicate" issues of the RF... but still, Prince Radu has the only up-to-date website where you can find out what is happening with the RF... the other source for me are the Romanian newspapers, very bad but more close to Romanians than the other source... it is strange for me to read about front-page allegations in the newspapers and nothing to suggest that they even exist on the only up-to-date official website of the RF

being a Romanian I know what to make of these [false] "problems" and I know of the never-stopping anti-royal propaganda... I wish the RF was more combative about it... I don't know if this is wise, just that it is what I feel
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on November 08, 2005, 02:02:42 AM
he's adopting a royal attitude. it's beneth their dignity to even consider such allegations. while it's not the most efficient tactic ever, i also wouldn't like the family answer to that. because then they would most likely be involved in a nasty conflict that really is something they don't deserve
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on November 08, 2005, 09:43:52 AM
Quote
most of the photos [those that have descriptions with AP] come from the Associated Press multimedia Archive; being a student in an American university I have free access to it from my online university library.



you are partially right in what concerns the "delicate" issues of the RF... but still, Prince Radu has the only up-to-date website where you can find out what is happening with the RF... the other source for me are the Romanian newspapers, very bad but more close to Romanians than the other source... it is strange for me to read about front-page allegations in the newspapers and nothing to suggest that they even exist on the only up-to-date official website of the RF

being a Romanian I know what to make of these [false] "problems" and I know of the never-stopping anti-royal propaganda... I wish the RF was more combative about it... I don't know if this is wise, just that it is what I feel


But do you have permission from the AP to post the photos?   I worked for the AP for nearly a decade, and I know they charge hefty fees for reprints/
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 08, 2005, 10:53:33 AM
Mrs. Koenig

no, but I can't help it... am I in trouble?
should I erase the photos that are already posted?




ilyala

you are right, of course
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 08, 2005, 04:08:44 PM
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8563/927bmic9en.jpg)

King Michael with the President of Romania Traian Basescu and recepients of the "Mihai Viteazul" military order, at Cotroceni Palace, November 7 2005.

from http://www.princeradu.ro
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 08, 2005, 04:24:12 PM
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I hope there will be some pictures of the Open Doors at  Elisabeth Palace!

Marina



(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8586/picturearchive130038iq.jpg)


this is the only photo I could find from the "Open Doors at  Elisabeth Palace" event, November 8 2005
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 08, 2005, 05:23:07 PM
from "Ziua" Romanian newspaper [favorable to the Royal Family]



Grand ceremony for King Mihai I

Yesterday His Majesty King Mihai I of Romania together with Prince Radu and Princess Margareta met with an impressing number of adepts and supporters of monarchy who wanted to pay respects to the sovereign for yesterday it was the holy day of Saint Archangels Mihail and Gavril. This traditional event held every year was hosted by sumptuous Elizabeta Palace. As it was a warm, sunny day, His Majesty King Mihai I met the adepts of royalty in the Palace court. About 1,500 people – war veterans, scholars, politicians and students – shook hands with the King and talked about Romania's more or less recent past. Royal House spokeswoman Simina Mezincescu said in the last days His Majesty got more than 300 letters expressing the respect of Romanian intellectuals and politicians. Mezincescu said: "President Traian Basescu and prime minister Calin Popescu Tariceanu paid warn respects to the King." King Mihai I said: "I have never got so many congratulations from politicians and various personalities." (...) (R.G.)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 10, 2005, 07:42:31 AM
BUCHAREST, Nov. 9 -- Romanian Constitutional Court on Wednesday dismissed a legislation to grant former King Michael I 30 million euros (about 35 million US dollars) in compensation for his property confiscated in 1947.

   "The constitutional court examined the law ... and decided witha majority of votes that its provisions are not in line with the constitution," the court said in a statement.

   The constitution watchdog ruled the compensation decision was void, saying it violated the constitutional principles of the equality of citizens before public authorities and the separation of state powers.

   In October last year, the former Romanian regime headed by Adrian Nastase decided to make compensation to the king for his financial losses in the property confiscation in which the Peles royal castle in Sinaia, 120 km north of Bucharest, was involved.

   King Michael, who abdicated in 1947, was also granted the rightto use the Peles castle for free throughout his life. He was allowed to use the Elisabeta Palace in the capital of Bucharest ashis permanent residence.

   The bill was passed in June by the Chamber of Deputies, lower house of the Romanian parliament, but senators of the Great Romania Party opposed the decision vehemently, saying it went against the constitution. They filed a lawsuit to the constitutional court later.

   The famous Peles royal castle built in 1875 has become a Romanian national museum, and attracted lots of tourists from home and abroad every year.






Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on November 10, 2005, 08:40:25 AM
bastards
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 10, 2005, 09:12:55 AM
what a tragedy!


one of the main problems of Romania are the lawyers of the former "securitate" [secret service] like mister Antonie Iorgovan, the "father" of the Constitution, the legal mind who ruined the post-communist years of the country, who master-minded the current Romanian legal framework... it makes me sick only when I remember the way he talks... aggressive, vulgar

the Romanian legal framework undermines the economy and protects corruption

Romania is a very sick country!

The tragedy of the Royal Family is the tragedy of the country!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 10, 2005, 09:14:54 AM
The pictures are very lovely...
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marina Cummings on November 10, 2005, 11:22:28 AM
Forgive me Eric if I am replying to you.   I agree totally with your appreciation of the lovely pictures,but  in fact, I  wanted to reply to both ilyala and palimpsests' posts, but I am such a dunce at this that after hitting all sorts of buttons, getting cut off, being redirected to all sorts of addresses and so on, all  I can do is hit reply and you are the victim of my post.  Hope you don't mind too much  I really need a tutorial...  ;D... So here is what I wanted to say about the Constitutional Court's horrible decision about the law on the Pelesh Estate and King Michael's rights.  I agree with both ilyala and palimpsest(Bastards, horrors, old communist decrepit you know whats).

I already posted on the ERMB of Dag Hoelseth,this is the gist of it: The Constitutional Court is filled with old dinosaurs from the communist past. Paradoxically, their rejecting the law re King Michael is a much better solution for the King than the proposed law. It means that he can get his whole property back and use it as he wishes. His representatives have been on different TVs and radios saying that the Court's decision is "regrettable"as the draft law was well balanced and conceived for the benefit of the Romanian State, the Romanian people and the King. The Castles would have remained forever the property of the State, the King would have got financial compensation(FAR , FAR below the real value of the property). But now the King has no option but to bend to the law- which has been recently changed and is much more favorable now to former property owners dispossessed by the communists - and this means restitution in kind. Then he has an important asset to negotiate with, if that is what he wants to do. The King is wise and will find a solution to benefit everyone, In the meantime, the Pelesh Castle and Sinaia Royal Domain will return to the Romanian Royal Family...historic!
But today the Government issued a statement, I am posting the Britiish language link of their  website, as well as extracts, as I believe that I am not supposed to post the whole text - correct me if I am wrong. As I said before, paradoxically, the fact that the Court rejected the law is ultimatery a much better solution for the King - although not for the Nation. Many many people, analysts, politicians and press say that the CCourt made a mistake in rejecting the law, that the decision was politically motivated. Well, now they have a real problem as the King can get EVERYTHING back.However, His Majesty will surely find a solution that will be to everyone's satisfaction as he loves his country so much

http://www.guv.ro/engleza/presa/afis-doc.php?idpresa=5767&idrubricapresa=1&idrubricaprimm=&idtema=&tip=&pag=&dr=


Press   > Press Releases
Headline: Reaction to the Constitutional Court’s decision on former King Mihai’s assets

The Romanian Government expresses its regret for yesterday’s decision of the Constitutional Court that provided that the law on the compensations to be offered to the royal family for some buildings was unconstitutional.


After this decision, the royal family, like all Romanian citizens, can benefit of the in kind restitution of all buildings that are related to Peles domain. The Government of Romania will make all efforts in order to further its restitution, the Peles domain in the property of the Romanian state, to maintain Peles Museum in its actual condition, accessible to Romanian citizens. In this respect, the Government representatives will start negotiations with the royal family representatives given the fact that they have already declared their availability to discuss the destination and the future owner of Peles domain.

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Post by: Marlene on November 10, 2005, 12:02:47 PM
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Mrs. Koenig

no, but I can't help it... am I in trouble?
should I erase the photos that are already posted?""




I'd stick to watermarked photos from Getty, etc ....   AP, like the WPost, NYTimes, is virulent to copyright violations ....

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Post by: Eurohistory on November 15, 2005, 03:52:39 AM
Anyone who expected that the Romanian government would fulfill this agreement was fooled into believing a lie.  Romania for the most part is still under the control of despicable politicians who have zero respect for their former monarch and for international law.

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: Marina Cummings on November 17, 2005, 01:14:44 PM
Hello again Mr Beeche!  :)

What you say was very true for the '90's, and today for the Secret Services, and the network  of the old Communist Party which is still active, and some mentalities which are hard to change - but Romania is changing, a new generation has sprung up, sick of the old communist ways and the corruption which has ensued.   As far as POLITICIANS were concerned,not all of the present ones are despicable. Things started  to slowly change for King Mihai after the year 2000. ( Of course the socialists had their own agenda, but His Majesty did get recognition and some justice was done - not enough, but the situation became better for him).  Now that the "DA" Liberal-Democratic Alliance is in power, they really are trying to put things right.  Unfortunately, because of all the underground networks and inter coalition fights things aren't working so well. However, to be fair, it is not any governments' fault if the compensation for the King didn't go through: Fully two governments voted for the Law, the Lower Chamber voted MASSIVELY in it's favour at the end of June, but it was the Greater Romania Party(old communists/Ceausescu followers) (+the Lambrinos) who got it halted by applying to the Constitutional Court, full of old communists.  They  delayed for months then killed the law by deeming it unconstitutional, and the government immediately gave out a press release expressing its disappointment and their willingness to find a solution with the RF.
The Minister of Culture is having a panic attack, but apart from that things seeem calm enough for now.

There were a couple of articles in the papers in the last2 days, and I have found the English versions.

http://www.daily-news.ro/article_detail.php?idarticle=19152

http://www.nineoclock.ro/culture_details.php  

(See "Culture" sction)

It is clear from the Daily News/Gardianul article that the Constitutional Court is being blamed for the failure of the law, and that the Court will be seen as responsible for the bigger expenses the state will now have to pay in compensation.

A small extract, so as not to have copywrite problems!

Daily News No 362  Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2005
Gardianul - Royal estate to cost the state 200m euros

"After the Constitutional Court rejected the proposal for paying damages to the royal family for the estates seized by the communist regime, the state may have to pay with the estates themselves, writes Gardianul today.  "The rejection as unconstitutional of the law on the legal situation of assets which have belonged to King Mihai I may create a disaster for the country's budget. The law adopted at the end of June this year established that the Romanian state should pay the former king 30 million euros for all the real estate he owned which was confiscated by the communist regime. As the law has been rejected as unconstitutional, the sum will be valid only in the case of a re-negotiation between the government and the royal family. In an attempt to estimate the value of all the assets, we consulted yesterday with several specialists in the real estate sector. Taking into account the fact that the value of a square meter of land in the Sinaia area varies between 70 and 200 euros, as well as the fact that many of the buildings are now hotels or villas included in the tourist circuit, the value of all the assets might reach huge amounts of hundreds of millions of euros. "

Marina

BTW did you see Palimsest's earlier post/picture of HM King Mihai and a group of army officers and generals?  You see, that is the Romanian uniform! They are all wearing it! It's not sooooooooooo bad!!!!  :-*
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Post by: Eurohistory on November 19, 2005, 12:21:26 PM
And how would the King and his family pay for the upkeep of these estates is simply beyond me.  HM does not have the funds necessary for this, perhaps opening them to the public and turning them into profit-making venues, such as hotels, would help considerably.

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: palimpsest on November 26, 2005, 11:29:02 AM
I am confident that the king and this sympathetic government will reach a working compromise. My only fear is whether this accord will be functional BEFORE another government will change it again.

I think it is critical that the Royal Family should put together a proper significant place for itself in the Romanian society as soon as possible. May God keep the King alive for many years, and also the Royal Family in the fabric of our country after his passing away.



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Post by: palimpsest on December 20, 2005, 08:12:31 PM
(http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2269/79207298yc.jpg)

KING MICHAEL AND QUEEN ANNE OF ROMANIA  (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library) LONDON 01/01/1980
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Post by: La_Rainha on February 25, 2006, 12:32:32 PM
The photos of King Michael are wonderful!
Thank you for the ability to see them!
I don`t know why, but I always have the impression, that Michael looks "sad" on the photos! No smile of a child or a teenager!
I`m sure his youth was hard!
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Post by: Eurohistory on February 26, 2006, 08:16:48 PM
King Michael is a marvelous person, such integrity and honor, bound to duty from birth, courageous and valiant when surrounded by traitors during the hardest of times.

He did not have a pleasant youth what with his dreadful father and the constant distance imposed between him and his mother, Helen,it was a sad and terrible time for him.

To be in his presence though, is awe-inspiring and one feels one is in the presence of someone thoroughly good.

I have the deepest and sincerest sympathy for His Majesty!

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: Marina Cummings on February 27, 2006, 02:45:16 PM
I feel the same although I have not had the honour of ever meeting His Majesty.....You are very very lucky to have met him, and it is wonderful that you say this.  Sometimes it happens that when one meets someone great, or someone who we have admired, we feel disappointed,so what you say is really an inspiration, and gives us all hope: there are still heroes and beautiful souls in this world.  Thank you! (OTT?? Well, where would we be without believing in something beautiful?)
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Post by: Eurohistory on February 27, 2006, 06:13:47 PM
His Majesty inspires...and that is the best compliment one can render him!

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 27, 2006, 09:15:45 PM
Yes he does.  :)
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Post by: dvoretzky on February 27, 2006, 10:25:54 PM
What's the relationship between Queen Anne de Bourbon Parma and the Bulgarian Royal Family? Princess Maria-Louisa (the wife of Prince and later King Ferdinand) was a Bourbon Parma princess...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 27, 2006, 10:28:36 PM
I think they have a good relationship, but not as close as the one between him and King Michael.
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Post by: carl fraley on March 02, 2006, 04:39:57 PM
I have a question.. Most articles here refer to compensation for Peles Castle, but what about Pelisor Castle builty by Missy and Nando?  Is the entire "ROyal Domain" in debate?

Also, Does anyone know what happend to Villa Sparta in florence that the Queen Mother Helen purchased in memory of her mother Queen Sophie? Does the King still own it or did helen leave it to someone else in her will?  
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Post by: Marlene on March 03, 2006, 02:31:29 PM
Villa Sparta was sold some years ago,.
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Post by: carl fraley on March 03, 2006, 04:12:52 PM
Did HM Queen Helen Sell it? or Did HM King Michael?? Anyone have any pics of it?
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Post by: Marlene on March 03, 2006, 08:41:48 PM
Most likely after Helen's death - even though she had lived in the villa for several years.
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Post by: Marina Cummings on March 06, 2006, 04:30:04 PM
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I have a question.. Most articles here refer to compensation for Peles Castle, but what about Pelisor Castle builty by Missy and Nando?  Is the entire "ROyal Domain" in debate?

Also, Does anyone know what happend to Villa Sparta in florence that the Queen Mother Helen purchased in memory of her mother Queen Sophie? Does the King still own it or did helen leave it to someone else in her will?  



The Pelisor castle is part of the negotiations - here is a link to an explanatory article from the Bucharest Daily news :

http://www.daily-news.ro/article_detail.php?idarticle=21729

As to the Villa Sparta, I am pretty sure that this was sold by Queen Mother Helen, as she then moved to Lausanne, Switzerland around 1980 or so, where she died at the end of 1982.....
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Post by: Laura_ on March 07, 2006, 08:23:27 AM
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I have a question.. Most articles here refer to compensation for Peles Castle, but what about Pelisor Castle builty by Missy and Nando?  Is the entire "ROyal Domain" in debate?

 


the Pelisor Castle was built by King Carol I for Crownprince Ferdinand and Crownprincess Marie.

yes the entire royal domain is in debate ,this also includes sky tracks near Sinaia and Busteni  etc not just the castles.all these belonged to the Romanian royal family :)
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Post by: Eurohistory on March 13, 2006, 09:59:14 AM
Queen Anne told me during one of our interviews in 2000-2001 that Queen Mother Helen was devastated by the sale of the Villa Sparta, but both her old age and financial constraints forced the family tto make this very painful decision.

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: palimpsest on March 13, 2006, 10:06:32 AM
Isn't Queen Anne/Ana a wonderful person?
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Post by: Eurohistory on March 13, 2006, 01:37:50 PM
Fantastic beyond words!

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: Eurohistory on March 15, 2006, 07:53:51 PM
Now available on Amazon.com...

A memorable tribute to a great leader. This excellent volume jointly published by EUROHISTORY & ROSVALL ROYAL BOOKS was printed as a tribute to HM King Michael of Romania on his 80th birthday. The book includes more than 130 photos, black/white & color, of the exemplary life of the monarch.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F1WN1I/104-7898788-5091928?n=283155

Arturo Beéche, Publisher
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Post by: palimpsest on March 16, 2006, 08:05:26 AM
Great work Eurohistory!

Is this edition close to the Romanian one?
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Post by: palimpsest on March 16, 2006, 08:36:56 AM
Here is a photo I made in 2003 of King Michael and Queen Anne/Ana with the Arad philarmonica, at Savarsin Castle.


(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5625/savarsincastlekingqueenaradorc.jpg)
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Post by: Eurohistory on March 16, 2006, 09:51:31 AM
Actually, this is the first edition of the book.  The Romanian version, done without my knowing, does not have many of the photos in this one, different captions and lesser quality of course.

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: Marina Cummings on March 16, 2006, 11:25:31 AM
Wonderful to see this book on Amazon!  Well done!

The Romanian book/version is GORGEOUS, gorgeous , gorgeous!  I have it and it is really something special. The photos are wonderful and the production is really glossy and superb. I don't have the English version and as soon as I heard I ordered it! Thanks again!

Marina :) :) :) :)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 16, 2006, 11:36:50 AM
I will probably buy it too [as soon as I have the necessary funds] ;) ;D
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Post by: Marina Cummings on March 16, 2006, 11:42:47 AM
Do you have the Romanian one?
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Post by: Marina Cummings on March 16, 2006, 11:49:26 AM
That is such a great picture.  Queen Ana looks like she is saying "HMMMM, that concert was quite good! Have to hand it to them!"

Palimpsest - do you know what she thought about the event?? ;D ;D
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Post by: palimpsest on March 16, 2006, 12:14:31 PM
Yes, it is wonderful!

I like it so much I have it with me in America! :)

I even have the autograph of the king on it! 8)
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Post by: Marina Cummings on March 16, 2006, 12:17:55 PM
Lucky lucky you! :D :D
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Post by: palimpsest on March 16, 2006, 12:33:06 PM
I'll scan it and post it when I get home. :)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 16, 2006, 12:36:49 PM
No, unfortunately. They were probably very happy that the castle seems to recover from a long "winter". :)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 16, 2006, 03:43:43 PM
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8494/carterege5mk.jpg)
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Post by: lostfan on April 11, 2006, 02:03:37 PM
I'm creating my own personal geneological database regarding all of Queen Victoria's descendants. Once I got to Princess Helen of Greece and was putting in information about her marriage, I noticed something strange. Helen married Carol on March 10, 1921, and their son Michael was born on October 25, 1921. Even if Michael was a couple weeks early, this only accounts for eight months of pregnancy. I'm just curious as to whether or not Michael was actually concieved before his parents' marriage, or was he just very very early?
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Post by: Marlene on April 11, 2006, 03:14:26 PM
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I'm creating my own personal geneological database regarding all of Queen Victoria's descendants. Once I got to Princess Helen of Greece and was putting in information about her marriage, I noticed something strange. Helen married Carol on March 10, 1921, and their son Michael was born on October 25, 1921. Even if Michael was a couple weeks early, this only accounts for eight months of pregnancy. I'm just curious as to whether or not Michael was actually concieved before his parents' marriage, or was he just very very early?


Good luck.  It's already been done ... in fact there are several books on the topic (and the author keeps an always updated database.)

Michael was a full term baby.  Mom got pregnant before the wedding.
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Post by: gleb on April 15, 2006, 09:05:10 AM
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Michael was a full term baby.  Mom got pregnant before the wedding.


I did not know this, and I am really amazed, how could this happen? Considering she was a Royal Princess at those times!
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Post by: Prince_Christopher on April 16, 2006, 09:23:16 PM
Carol II was not a very moral person.
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Post by: Marlene on April 17, 2006, 09:37:26 AM
How could this happen, you ask?   It's called sex.  Royal Highnesses have sex, too.

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Michael was a full term baby.  Mom got pregnant before the wedding.


I did not know this, and I am really amazed, how could this happen? Considering she was a Royal Princess at those times!
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Post by: Marlene on April 17, 2006, 09:38:20 AM
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Carol II was not a very moral person.

Helen was  not an unwilling pre-marital partner.  
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Post by: Marina Cummings on April 17, 2006, 10:41:01 AM
That statement, Marlene, really needs to be substantiated.  How do you know?  I am not saying Queen Helen was a prude, and she probably thought she was in love with Carol...but it is unfair to say that about Helen (unless you have proof, in which case I take this back). It is well documented that Carol was "highly sexed" , and he was probably incredibly insistent  .  I wouldn't go as far as to say that she was raped, but let us say that she was taken advantage of in probably a forceful way.
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Post by: gleb on April 17, 2006, 01:55:01 PM
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How could this happen, you ask?   It's called sex.  Royal Highnesses have sex, too.


Well, I  know, Miss Koenig, how it happens technically. And I suppose Royal Highnesses have sex too :-[, but I find it very strange considering it happened in the twenties.

At least I am not informed of any other case like this, but I am not as informed as you are and maybe you can tell us if you know of other cases.

If I had been King Constatin I don't know what I  would have done.
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Post by: Marlene on April 17, 2006, 04:26:43 PM


Helen knew what she was doing ... she knew that she was going to marry Carol - and they ended up having sex (and she got pregnant) ...the family has never denied that Helen was pregnant or even suggested that Carol forced himself on her ...  
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That statement, Marlene, really needs to be substantiated.  How do you know?  I am not saying Queen Helen was a prude, and she probably thought she was in love with Carol...but it is unfair to say that about Helen (unless you have proof, in which case I take this back). It is well documented that Carol was "highly sexed" , and he was probably incredibly insistent  .  I wouldn't go as far as to say that she was raped, but let us say that she was taken advantage of in probably a forceful way.
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Post by: Marlene on April 17, 2006, 04:31:27 PM
People were having sex in the 1920s.   King Constantine was having sex with a woman who was not his wife ...

Michael was described as being premature - but this was not the case.  It would have been rather difficult to explain at that time that Michael was not premature -- Helen and Carol got passionate before the wedding ...  there are many royal babies that arrived nine months later - and described as premature but were full weight full term babies ...

The family does not deny that Helen was pregnant.  But it was not something that was acknowledged for some years, but so many people knew it.

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How could this happen, you ask?   It's called sex.  Royal Highnesses have sex, too.


Well, I  know, Miss Koenig, how it happens technically. And I suppose Royal Highnesses have sex too :-[, but I find it very strange considering it happened in the twenties.

At least I am not informed of any other case like this, but I am not as informed as you are and maybe you can tell us if you know of other cases.

If I had been King Constatin I don't know what I  would have done.
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Post by: Marina Cummings on April 17, 2006, 05:36:44 PM
Marlene, you are being very, very naughty (again). Rather than Helen knowing what she was doing, Carol CERTAINLY knew about the "technicalities", and poor Helen was romantic and believed in the romance of the situation, (I think).  Do not judge people by 21st century standards, it is neither fair nor correct.  I have an uncomfortable feeling that King Carol was a ..... (take a big breath) ... rapist, (in this situation.)
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Post by: Prince_Christopher on April 17, 2006, 06:02:37 PM
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Marlene, you are being very, very naughty (again). Rather than Helen knowing what she was doing, Carol CERTAINLY knew about the "technicalities", and poor Helen was romantic and believed in the romance of the situation, (I think).  Do not judge people by 21st century standards, it is neither fair nor correct.  I have an uncomfortable feeling that King Carol was a ..... (take a big breath) ... rapist, (in this situation.)

I can't imagine the head games that MUST have been involved with this situation.

Carol was NOT a moral person and he used and abused everyone he knew.  I just don't buy it that Helen was totally willing.  

My goodness!  She was a princess in a public position.  She must have known what a risk she would have been taking.  And why did Carol wait so long to marry her?  He held her off to the last minute, playing more head games with her, no doubt.
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Post by: Marina Cummings on April 17, 2006, 06:57:33 PM
I agree.  This princess, Princess Helen, was someone with a deep sense of duty, and very innocent, religious, loving her parents and siblings. In those days  they grew up later then than we do now.  At age 24 she meets Prince Carol,royal, suitable,intelligent, cultured and.... SEXY!  She is bowled over. She believes he has the same values as her, that they have a future together. Every-one is pushing her to get married.  She is 24, young and well....he is difficult to resist.  I still believe he abused her innocence. Basically, he was a......you know what. JMHO.
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Post by: ilyala on April 18, 2006, 07:55:26 AM
the old generation of today still believes that sex before marriage is wrong, sinful, disgraceful, or whatever you may call it. my father's mother strongly objected against a woman he was seeing before my mother because she visited him at nights! that happned in the 70s. my mother's mother had a fit when she heard that my sister moved in with her boyfriend and she gave me a 1 hour lecture when she heard i went on a trip alone with mine. both of them born in the 20s. helen was born at the end of the 19th century. she was educated before the first world war and that was an even more strict education than what my granmothers had. the first world war and its extreme circumstances might have opened a few minds, but still... not only that, she was a princess. her honour and good name were her most important assets. an affair of any kind would have ruined that. and especially the way carol avoided the wedding for a while, she must have been aware of the consequences of her actions.

also, if we judge by both of their lives before and after the marriage, i've never heard of helen being connected with anyone else. so you can't say that she was a very actively sexual person. carol obviously was. so i think it's pretty obvious how things happened. while rape might be a strong word, i'm sure she was at least a little pressured...
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Post by: Marlene on April 18, 2006, 08:42:03 AM
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Marlene, you are being very, very naughty (again). Rather than Helen knowing what she was doing, Carol CERTAINLY knew about the "technicalities", and poor Helen was romantic and believed in the romance of the situation, (I think).  Do not judge people by 21st century standards, it is neither fair nor correct.  I have an uncomfortable feeling that King Carol was a ..... (take a big breath) ... rapist, (in this situation.)

I am not being naughty or comparing this to present times ... Carol was a nasty piece of work, but I would not use the word rapist.   But I do not think he forced himself on her.  It may have been difficult for Helen to say no, but I don't think she said no.  I have never gotten any impression from anyone in the family that Carol forced himself on Helen.

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Post by: Marlene on April 18, 2006, 08:45:08 AM
Considering that the family had already gone through one exile,  Helen was more worldly than most people might realize.  Of course, her mother was against this marriage (Sophie didn't like Marie).  I would have to look it up, but the engagement was announced in the fall, and the marriage took place in March  -- so it was not a long engagement.  

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Marlene, you are being very, very naughty (again). Rather than Helen knowing what she was doing, Carol CERTAINLY knew about the "technicalities", and poor Helen was romantic and believed in the romance of the situation, (I think).  Do not judge people by 21st century standards, it is neither fair nor correct.  I have an uncomfortable feeling that King Carol was a ..... (take a big breath) ... rapist, (in this situation.)

I can't imagine the head games that MUST have been involved with this situation.

Carol was NOT a moral person and he used and abused everyone he knew.  I just don't buy it that Helen was totally willing.  

My goodness!  She was a princess in a public position.  She must have known what a risk she would have been taking.  And why did Carol wait so long to marry her?  He held her off to the last minute, playing more head games with her, no doubt.
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Post by: Prince_Christopher on April 18, 2006, 10:15:14 AM
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 I have never gotten any impression from anyone in the family that Carol forced himself on Helen.


Many families prefer to keep the dirty truth a secret.  It happens all the time.  Helen and her family may have merely accepted it, never discussing what really happened.  The only other choice was for her child (Michael) to grow up thinking he was the product of rape, which would have been humiliating for the whole family, and would have followed Michael for the rest of his life.  Thank God the marriage actually did come about, I'm sure it was a great relief for Helen and her family....

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Post by: ilyala on April 19, 2006, 02:13:59 AM
i don't think carol effectively raped her. as in, she said no and he did it anyway. i think he pressured her and she gave in. but pakula's book on queen marie mentions that one of the problems carol and helen had was the fact that she couldn't understand that he wanted to read his books and kept bugging him by sitting in his lap and trying to be affectionate. this doesn't sound like a victim of rape.

i agree that carol was the initiator. there must have been pressure involved. but actual rape, i sincerely doubt it. remember that when carol came back to the throne of romania in 1930, he came back under the condition that he'd try to mend things with helen. he lied, of course, but helen was willing to give him another chance. i doubt it was her strong feelings that did that rather than her strong sense of duty, but still, you think she would have done that had she been a rape victim. luckily i have never been raped, but i believe rape victims tend to avoid their rapist...
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on April 19, 2006, 05:14:00 AM
There is a big, I repeat BIG, difference between rape and seduction.

I think Carol was a first class seducer,  The only person who out seduced Carol II was that "Red Haired" woman.

TampaBay
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Post by: ilyala on April 21, 2006, 09:14:40 AM
i agree with you tampabay.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on May 05, 2006, 04:10:36 AM
for those of you who understand romanian: http://www.punctecardinale.ro/apr_2004/apr_2004_6.html

for those of you who don't, this historian claims that:

1. carol had a daughter and a son with a woman named maria martini that was afterwards paid to disappear but apparently not enough since she and her daughter died in poverty. no-one knows what happened to the boy.

2. in order to get carol out of zizi's range his parents arranged for him to meet a romanian actress settled in paris named mirella marcovici who apparently gave birth to another son of his, named mirel marcovici. the man published a book about it based on king carol's letters to his mother... anyone know this book?

3. the explanation for carol's many affairs apparently is a disease that (i will try not to go into many details) made carol very 'active' and very easily 'activated' and very 'eager' sexually. the book claims that during his marriage elena had to hide from her husband's sexual advances which had become painful to her. it says "[Elena]'s intimate friends hinted that the main reason she was fearful of her husband was the brutality with which she was subjected day and night, in bed or hurriedly on a couch, to her wife duties". apparently the quote is from a guy named alex mihai stoenescu.

does anyone know anything about this? as i said before, i don't think elena was afraid of her husband, i tend to think 'disgusted' is a better word. after all she did accept a reconciliation in 1930 when there was talk of him coming back to rule... i don't see many sources quoted here so i can't vouch for this but it was some interesting reading...
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Prince_Christopher on May 05, 2006, 08:03:55 AM
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3. the explanation for carol's many affairs apparently is a disease that (i will try not to go into many details) made carol very 'active' and very easily 'activated' and very 'eager' sexually. the book claims that during his marriage elena had to hide from her husband's sexual advances which had become painful to her. it says "[Elena]'s intimate friends hinted that the main reason she was fearful of her husband was the brutality with which she was subjected day and night, in bed or hurriedly on a couch, to her wife duties". apparently the quote is from a guy named alex mihai stoenescu.

 

I read something years ago similar to this, but I hesitate to go into it....

I also wonder if Carol had not been sexually abused at an early age.  That would explain much of his later behavior, such as the urge to control everyone, his hatred for his mother, and the rampant sexual activity.
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Post by: palimpsest on May 05, 2006, 09:18:49 AM
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I also wonder if Carol had not been sexually abused at an early age.  That would explain much of his later behavior, such as the urge to control everyone, his hatred for his mother, and the rampant sexual activity.

I very much doubt it.
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Post by: lostfan on May 06, 2006, 11:52:55 AM
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I also wonder if Carol had not been sexually abused at an early age.  That would explain much of his later behavior, such as the urge to control everyone, his hatred for his mother, and the rampant sexual activity.

Didn't he have a tutor as a little boy who was said to be overly obsessed with him? I've read that in the biography on Missy and from Queen Victoria's Family. Maybe that could have been the cause?

It's a good thing Olga didn't marry him. I don't know if even escaping the Russian Revolution would have been worth living with someone like Carol.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on May 06, 2006, 01:49:10 PM
quote from hannah pakula:

'[..]after many searches, the king named a perceptor. mr. mohrlen was a swiss homosexual, grumpy, passionate with botany, the bible and the republican ideals of his country.

ever since the times of catherine the great, marie's ancestor, the royals had imported swiss intelectuals to instruct their heirs. the pupose was to apply a liberal exterior to the powerful sense of monarchic duty. mohrlen failed in both matters. had he been a man of clear convictions he could have formed an enlightened prince, acnchored in the democratic realities of his time; had he been a man of strong emotional force he could have taught the prince to control himself. but mohrlen was neither. he didn't teach the young prince any political ideas on which he was to support his future reign. even worse, he fell in love with the boy, allowed him to do as he pleased and, wanting to keep him for himself, estranged him from his family. together and alone, student and teacher took long botanical expeditions during which the melancolical teacher passed on to his student his persecution complex. carol learnt from mohrlen the easy lesson of self-pity.

at first, marie only noticed mohrlen's rough looks and his lack of energy. although she laughed at her son and his teacher calling them 'two old maids' she admitted that the swiss was an excellent linguist and "morally profound which is a good thing here". it took a while for her and ferdinand to notice that mohrlen had a bad influence on their son and "filled his mind with troubling doubts about his role as a prince and soldier".

in 1909, when carol was seventeen, marie and ferdinand tried and failed to get mohrlen sacked. the king, who had picked the tutor with a german precision refused to admit his mistake. in the presence of his majesty, mohrlen was "humble and modest" and king carol mistook a colourless man for a harmless one. with her inclination for bad judgement, queen elizabeth supported mohrlen till the end, declaring that "someone who knows the bible so well must be kind and pious".

finally the two court doctors came to the parents' help and insisted mohrlen fired. carol was almost 18. he was sent to england with general perticari, an ordonance for the king. crying histerically about being left behind by his student, mohrlen ran and hid in the woods for three days (!). when he finally reappeared he was "full of remorse" and confessed to marie that in his first years he was consumed with lust when he saw young carol kneeling down near his bed, saying his prayers. marie sent him out of the country but, pitying his suffering, kept on sending him money when he needed it'

since he confessed about his lust i don't think anything very physical actually happened. however, he may have psychologically damaged the young boy and not just about political opinions and self-pity. i don't know if this happened to anyone but i can remember the creepy feeling i got once when i was 14 and some dude i only met once looked at me like i was a piece of meat. i believe being subjected to that for a long time as a child/teenager can cause some serious psychological damage since i sincerely doubt that mohrlen could completely control himself. so, maybe some molesting did take place. maybe carol tried to get rid of that creepy feeling over and over through a long series of sexual affairs...

as for olga, i believe she was a lot like elena in many respects and she would have gotten a divorce too eventually. especially with, probably, a lot of pride about being the tsar's daughter, above her husband (unlike elena) etc. i wonder how maria would have been as a wife for carol...
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Post by: Prince_Christopher on May 06, 2006, 05:05:04 PM
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i believe being subjected to that for a long time as a child/teenager can cause some serious psychological damage since i sincerely doubt that mohrlen could completely control himself. so, maybe some molesting did take place. maybe carol tried to get rid of that creepy feeling over and over through a long series of sexual affairs...


Ilyala, thanks for the quote from Pakula.

I have to agree.  I think it sounds like a classic case of long-term psychological and sexual abuse.  Especially with Mohrlen alienating Carol from his family, destroying his self-confidence, and dominating him mentally.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on May 10, 2006, 11:12:49 AM
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i believe being subjected to that for a long time as a child/teenager can cause some serious psychological damage since i sincerely doubt that mohrlen could completely control himself. so, maybe some molesting did take place. maybe carol tried to get rid of that creepy feeling over and over through a long series of sexual affairs...


Ilyala, thanks for the quote from Pakula.

I have to agree.  I think it sounds like a classic case of long-term psychological and sexual abuse.  Especially with Mohrlen alienating Carol from his family, destroying his self-confidence, and dominating him mentally.

I can see now how it would be possible, but I still find it difficult to understand how a private teacher can abuse a child without his consent, in such a situation when the child is practically more "influential" than the teacher. Luckily, I know little about such situations!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on May 11, 2006, 03:32:34 AM
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i believe being subjected to that for a long time as a child/teenager can cause some serious psychological damage since i sincerely doubt that mohrlen could completely control himself. so, maybe some molesting did take place. maybe carol tried to get rid of that creepy feeling over and over through a long series of sexual affairs...


Ilyala, thanks for the quote from Pakula.

I have to agree.  I think it sounds like a classic case of long-term psychological and sexual abuse.  Especially with Mohrlen alienating Carol from his family, destroying his self-confidence, and dominating him mentally.

I can see now how it would be possible, but I still find it difficult to understand how a private teacher can abuse a child without his consent, in such a situation when the child is practically more "influential" than the teacher. Luckily, I know little about such situations!


a royal child is still a child. and will behave like a child. when he's being abused he's also feeling uncomfortable about it and about talking about it. most of the time he probably doesn't even know what's happening. and if the abuse isn't physical (and i suspect it wasn't in this case), he doesn't even know how to explain that he 'simply did not like the way x looked at him' or something.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Prince_Christopher on May 11, 2006, 06:45:01 AM
I may be wrong but I think Carol was only about 9 years old or so when the tutor came along, and the tutor had control of about everything in the boy's life. That's usually how it was with royal sons, they were turned totally over to a tutor or governor of some sort to educate them and teach them to be good princes. (It didn't always work).
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on May 12, 2006, 02:15:33 PM
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I may be wrong but I think Carol was only about 9 years old or so when the tutor came along, and the tutor had control of about everything in the boy's life. That's usually how it was with royal sons, they were turned totally over to a tutor or governor of some sort to educate them and teach them to be good princes. (It didn't always work).


i could not find anywhere any hint about his age when mohrlen came to tutor him. he left when carol was 17 and stayed for a few years at least. but he was not an ordinary servant that took orders from carol... i believe he was indeed in control
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on June 07, 2006, 11:30:46 PM
What a wonderful and expressive face the King has! I recall what his wife said of him, after being asked to describe King Michael in as few words as possible. She said "good", and I think his face shows this.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Laura_ on June 08, 2006, 04:22:40 AM
The King is a wonderful person :)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 22, 2006, 11:22:49 AM
I just saw that there will be an edition of War Stories (on Fox News) that will have an interview with King Michael. It's about the Soviets and the end of WW2 apparently or something like that--I just saw the King and was like 'wow--need to tell people on the Forum!'.  ;) Anyway, you can check listings but I think they said it was on Sunday (6/25) in the evening.
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Post by: palimpsest on June 22, 2006, 01:22:54 PM
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I just saw that there will be an edition of War Stories (on Fox News) that will have an interview with King Michael. It's about the Soviets and the end of WW2 apparently or something like that--I just saw the King and was like 'wow--need to tell people on the Forum!'.  ;) Anyway, you can check listings but I think they said it was on Sunday (6/25) in the evening.

Thank you grandduchessella!!! I can't wait! 8-)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on June 25, 2006, 08:11:45 PM
I just concluded watching the War Stories with Oliver North episode on Romania & King Michael.

It was very interesting and extrmely informative.  King Michael saved the lives of 600 American/British POWs captured on Romania soil by refusing to turn them over to the Gremans.

Micheal is great man and Romaina should be very proud of the amazing King.

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on July 05, 2006, 03:56:31 PM
There is no doubt that His Majesty is one of the nicest, most humane leaders any country has had, the ethical core of this man is simply a source of great inspiration for those of us privileged and honored to have met him...it is a great pity that his reign fell victim to Communist expansion...but what a man he is!

Artuor Beéche

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on July 05, 2006, 06:56:18 PM
Artuor,

Is it not true the King Michael as an ex-head of state (much like USA ex-head of state Jimmy Carter for causes of his choice) is working behind the scenes for Romania's entrance into the EU.  Please correct if I am wrong.

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on July 05, 2006, 07:05:00 PM
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There is no doubt that His Majesty is one of the nicest, most humane leaders any country has had, the ethical core of this man is simply a source of great inspiration for those of us privileged and honored to have met him...it is a great pity that his reign fell victim to Communist expansion...but what a man he is!

Artuor Beéche


I will not forget the moment in the Romanian Episode of Oliver North's War Stories when a surviving USA Solider of a Romanian POW camp ask permission to shake the King's hand to thank him for his kindness.  

They both had slight tears in their eye.

Artuor, did you see this episode?

TampaBay
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Post by: Guinastasia on July 06, 2006, 01:59:31 PM
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I have no doubt he was proud the Millitary Institute was named for his great-grandfather Carol I.

TampaBay


Nitpick-it would be his great-great uncle, Carol.  

Question-how is the relationship between him and his Serbian cousins, the Crown Prince Alexander?  (Another favorite of mine).  

Oh, and Lambrino-is he Carol's son by his first wife?  How would he be entitled to anything-the marriage was morganatic, and I think Lambrino was conceived AFTER the divorce, and they weren't even sure who his father was!  As much as I think Carol II was a real jerk, and treated Zizi like crap, this guy sounds nuts.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on July 07, 2006, 01:32:19 AM
as far as i know, carol lambrino was an ok guy. he wanted to be recognized as his father's son but not much else. paul lambrino, though, carol's son is something else. if he were part of the hohenzollern family, he'd be a disgrace. he doesn't strike me as very intellingent but he's got many ambitions. he ran for presidency in romania but he can hardly speak romanian.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Guinastasia on July 07, 2006, 09:40:24 PM
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as far as i know, carol lambrino was an ok guy. he wanted to be recognized as his father's son but not much else. paul lambrino, though, carol's son is something else. if he were part of the hohenzollern family, he'd be a disgrace. he doesn't strike me as very intellingent but he's got many ambitions. he ran for presidency in romania but he can hardly speak romanian.


Ah, it's the King's grandson.  Yeah, sounds like he takes after dear ol' Grandpa.  

I don't blame Carol Lambrino for wanting to be recognized-the way his father treated him and his mother was just sickening.  
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Post by: palimpsest on July 08, 2006, 10:47:59 AM
I was not able to see "War Stories" with the king. :'(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on July 08, 2006, 11:32:30 AM
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I was not able to see "War Stories" with the king. :'(

Fox News always runs repeat broadcast of all their shows.  I will give everyone a heads up when it is scheduled to be on again.  It is worth seeing!

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on July 08, 2006, 07:11:18 PM
I have not seen the episode...but a subscriber to my magazine kindly made me a copy of the program and mailed it to my office...benefits of the trade and being surrounded by very nice clients!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Guinastasia on July 08, 2006, 11:19:01 PM
I'd watch it, but I absolutely cannot stand Oliver North.

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Post by: TampaBay on July 09, 2006, 06:18:32 AM
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I'd watch it, but I absolutely cannot stand Oliver North.



Guinastasia,

You will need to bite your tounge and swallow your pride on this one because it is worth putting up with "Ollie" to see King Michaeal, the WWII Veterans and all the old film footage of Romania during WWII.

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Quin on July 09, 2006, 06:14:48 PM
Subject: War Stories The Untold Story of the Eastern Front

Is this the War Stories episode that features King Michael of Romania?  If not can you please advise.
 
Thank you,
 
Q
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Post by: Eurohistory on July 09, 2006, 06:35:44 PM
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I'd watch it, but I absolutely cannot stand Oliver North.


Hear, hear...Ollie North is just another of the many noxious roaches to have come of the Reagan/Bush legacy, which continue to obliterate everything our country stands for.

But, I am not watching him and his smug ex-convict self, I am watching the King.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on July 09, 2006, 07:41:41 PM
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Subject: War Stories The Untold Story of the Eastern Front

Is this the War Stories episode that features King Michael of Romania?  If not can you please advise.
 
Thank you,
 
Q


YES!!!


TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on July 09, 2006, 07:43:12 PM
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I'd watch it, but I absolutely cannot stand Oliver North.


Hear, hear...Ollie North is just another of the many noxious roaches to have come of the Reagan/Bush legacy, which continue to obliterate everything our country stands for.

But, I am not watching him and his smug ex-convict self, I am watching the King.

Arturo Beéche


HERE! HERE! Sir!  I second the above motion!


TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Guinastasia on July 09, 2006, 10:19:55 PM
Well, I guess you're right-if it's on again, I'll try and catch it.  Does he mention his grandmother at all?

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on July 30, 2006, 06:29:45 AM
No!  King Michael does notbmention Marie.  It is not that type of interview.

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 31, 2006, 01:38:22 AM
What sort was it ?  ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Laura_ on July 31, 2006, 02:43:12 AM
perhaps more about Romania's past and present situation ...
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 31, 2006, 02:46:39 AM
Do you think a restoration of the monarchy is in the cards ?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on July 31, 2006, 05:43:09 AM
What sort was it ?  ???


The interview was about Romania's part in WWII and the part played by King Michael.

King Michael is the last living head of state of that era.

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 31, 2006, 08:54:43 AM
Indeed ! Hope he talked well. I couldn't hear him clearly in Anna Lerche's documentary on Christian IX's family.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Daniela on August 01, 2006, 05:42:32 AM
I was wondering, King Mihail has only daughters and none of them can't succeed him as 'Queen' of Romania, but as head of family will succeed him his elder daughter Margaretha, right?
What I want to know is, if it’s possible that King Mihail would determine some member of Hohenzollern Sigmaringen family as his successor?
Or they are not interested for such an honor? :-\

Daniela
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on August 01, 2006, 02:00:29 PM
The constitution to which Michael adheres refers to the succession, which would revert to the Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen.  Michael has never approached the Prince of HOhenzollern as his heir (and the Hereditary Prince as second in line).  In fact, there is a direct coolness between the Hereditary Prince and Michael's family, sadly due to the prince's ties with Paul lambrino.

I was wondering, King Mihail has only daughters and none of them can't succeed him as 'Queen' of Romania, but as head of family will succeed him his elder daughter Margaretha, right?
What I want to know is, if it’s possible that King Mihail would determine some member of Hohenzollern Sigmaringen family as his successor?
Or they are not interested for such an honor? :-\

Daniela

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 01, 2006, 09:34:15 PM
I heard Paul Lambrino is dead... ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on August 01, 2006, 09:42:52 PM
But wasn't the rift caused by the ties while Paul was alive? Maybe now if he's deceased, relations will improve. Michael was able to somewhat heal his relationship with Ileana so you never know.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2006, 03:16:00 AM
Lets hope so...I have heard that Paul Lambrino was quite a trouble maker.  >:(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Daniela on August 02, 2006, 07:34:04 AM
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The constitution to which Michael adheres refers to the succession, which would revert to the Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen.  Michael has never approached the Prince of HOhenzollern as his heir (and the Hereditary Prince as second in line).  In fact, there is a direct coolness between the Hereditary Prince and Michael's family, sadly due to the prince's ties with Paul lambrino.

Thanks, Marlene.
So, this means that when King Mihail will be no more, the claims to the throne will go to the Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen -  to the Prince of Hohenzollern. Now, a silly question, how is his name? :-[

Daniela
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on August 02, 2006, 10:39:52 AM
I heard Paul Lambrino is dead... ???

Paul is dead (oh where have I heard that before ... :-\

Paul Lambrino lives - his father died earlier this year.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on August 02, 2006, 10:42:18 AM
But wasn't the rift caused by the ties while Paul was alive? Maybe now if he's deceased, relations will improve. Michael was able to somewhat heal his relationship with Ileana so you never know.

It is difficult to repair relations with dead people   :o

However, Paul is alive.  His father, Carol (Michael's older half brother) died earlier this year.

Michael does not recognize his father's other line and has never had any contact with Lambrino.

Ileana, on the other hand, was a princess of Romania ... but due to her behavior, she lost Michael and helen's trust.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on August 02, 2006, 10:43:19 AM
The prince of H-S is named Friedrich Wilhelm.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on August 02, 2006, 04:54:30 PM
But wasn't the rift caused by the ties while Paul was alive? Maybe now if he's deceased, relations will improve. Michael was able to somewhat heal his relationship with Ileana so you never know.

It is difficult to repair relations with dead people   :o


Sorry, I wasn't more clear.  :) I meant if Paul was deceased (which apparently he isn't) couldn't relations be repaired between King Michael and his Hohenzollern relations since the source of the tension wouldn't be there anymore.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on August 02, 2006, 08:13:10 PM
GD Ella,

This all makes snense to me but then again I am insane to begin with!!! 

Sometimes we just ned to bury the hatchet, shake hands, meet for Christamas Dinner and go on!

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2006, 08:38:07 PM
I think they should bury the hatchet. King Michael is not young anymore and should seek to repair relationship with his HS cousins.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on August 02, 2006, 09:19:28 PM


Michael is going to be 85 in October.  Friedrich Wilhelm is just a few years younger (and blind) and sort of out of it (and probably doesn;t have a clue as to what is going on.  The ties between the families will be even less after both men are deceased.

But wasn't the rift caused by the ties while Paul was alive? Maybe now if he's deceased, relations will improve. Michael was able to somewhat heal his relationship with Ileana so you never know.

It is difficult to repair relations with dead people   :o


Sorry, I wasn't more clear.  :) I meant if Paul was deceased (which apparently he isn't) couldn't relations be repaired between King Michael and his Hohenzollern relations since the source of the tension wouldn't be there anymore.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2006, 10:20:54 PM
Alas ! What you suggest is true. Pity !
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on August 03, 2006, 10:56:07 AM
GD Ella,

This all makes snense to me but then again I am insane to begin with!!! 

Sometimes we just ned to bury the hatchet, shake hands, meet for Christamas Dinner and go on!

TampaBay

Easier said than done...particularly with the vitriol lauched against HM by the very indecent and ungentlemanly Mr Lambrino and his equally disturbing wife.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 03, 2006, 10:59:19 AM
Such is life ! Things are never too simple as egos and personalities are concerned.  :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on August 03, 2006, 11:39:53 AM
GD Ella,

This all makes snense to me but then again I am insane to begin with!!! 

Sometimes we just ned to bury the hatchet, shake hands, meet for Christamas Dinner and go on!

TampaBay

Easier said than done...particularly with the vitriol lauched against HM by the very indecent and ungentlemanly Mr Lambrino and his equally disturbing wife.

Arturo Beéche

True, but HM should be above all this.  Does anyone really care about what some creature who crawled out of some hole has to say about someone as esteemd as HM?

When morons talk, I do not listen!  LOL!  LOL!

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 03, 2006, 12:16:31 PM
Ah...could be...should be...would be. Are we putting ourselves in HM's shoes ? It is hard for us to know what happened between them.  :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Daniela on August 04, 2006, 02:40:16 AM
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In fact, there is a direct coolness between the Hereditary Prince and Michael's family, sadly due to the prince's ties with Paul lambrino.

Does this mean that the Hereditary Prince Karl and his wife Alexandra are friends with Paul Lambrino and his wife?
What kind of person is the Hereditary Prince Karl, what does he do for living? I know I'n nosey, but I would realy like to know. ;D

Daniela
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 04, 2006, 04:49:24 AM
Prince Karl does not need to earn a living last I hear.  ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on August 04, 2006, 08:19:24 AM
There have been some ties between the two, but I am not sure that they are best buddies.    Karl Friedrich plays in a jazzband and has already inherited the bulk of the estate

Quote
In fact, there is a direct coolness between the Hereditary Prince and Michael's family, sadly due to the prince's ties with Paul lambrino.

Does this mean that the Hereditary Prince Karl and his wife Alexandra are friends with Paul Lambrino and his wife?
What kind of person is the Hereditary Prince Karl, what does he do for living? I know I'n nosey, but I would realy like to know. ;D

Daniela
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on August 04, 2006, 01:55:26 PM
Ah...could be...should be...would be. Are we putting ourselves in HM's shoes ? It is hard for us to know what happened between them.  :(

Eric,

Are we putting ourselves in HM's shoes ? It is hard for us to know what happened between them.

You summed it up perfectly!  You are right!!!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: pouvoir aux canards on August 04, 2006, 08:37:33 PM
I was not able to see "War Stories" with the king. :'(

Dear Palimpsest, as Michel de Roumanie seems to sincerely love music, purhaps would  he be happy to see these 2 pictures of Queen Elisabeth with 2 genius of romianan music:


 (http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110652.jpg)



the first, as you see, is a duo between the Queen and Dimitrie Dinicu, a great violoncellist, and also director of romanian Orchestra at the beginnin of the century ;



(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/CarmenSylva/Gallery/images/CarmenSylva%26Musicians.jpg)

this second is a chamber concert with a lady at pianoforte, GEORGE ENESCU, romanian genius of the violin and composer, and the same Dimitrie DINICU (without the moustaches...) (you know that there was also a GEORGE DINICU brave composer and violonist, but here on the 2 pictures is the other one I said)  Queen Elisabeth helps the pianist with the score...  :) :) :)

For a better view of the secon one, JUST CLICK THE ADRESS  or if you want insert the adress in the browser :

 http://www.tkinter.smig.net/CarmenSylva/Gallery/images/CarmenSylva%26Musicians.jpg


-I love your land and your people for many many reasons-
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 04, 2006, 09:12:07 PM
Very interesting...I wonder what King Michael thought of Carman Sylvia, he must have heard stories of her from Missy I bet !  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: pouvoir aux canards on August 10, 2006, 05:31:24 PM
(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/CarmenSylva/Gallery/images/CarmenSylva%26Musicians.jpg)

I hope it works better. ..

Did someone knows were they were ? I mean in what palace ? Peles ? or what ???

Is Michel de Roumanie living in Elisabeth' Palace ?? Are there actual and old pictures of Elisabeth Palace ??


Best regards

M. Canard
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 10, 2006, 08:27:45 PM
I heard there is now a book published in Romania about the Elisabeth Palace. Anybody knows about it ?

I thought only Princess Margarita and Prince Radu lived there.... ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on September 15, 2006, 04:28:42 AM
I was not able to see "War Stories" with the king. :'(

Dear Palimpsest, as Michel de Roumanie seems to sincerely love music, purhaps would  he be happy to see these 2 pictures of Queen Elisabeth with 2 genius of romianan music:






the first, as you see, is a duo between the Queen and Dimitrie Dinicu, a great violoncellist, and also director of romanian Orchestra at the beginnin of the century ;




this second is a chamber concert with a lady at pianoforte, GEORGE ENESCU, romanian genius of the violin and composer, and the same Dimitrie DINICU (without the moustaches...) (you know that there was also a GEORGE DINICU brave composer and violonist, but here on the 2 pictures is the other one I said)  Queen Elisabeth helps the pianist with the score...  :) :) :)

For a better view of the secon one, JUST CLICK THE ADRESS  or if you want insert the adress in the browser :

 http://www.tkinter.smig.net/CarmenSylva/Gallery/images/CarmenSylva%26Musicians.jpg


-I love your land and your people for many many reasons-

Thank you "pouvoir aux canards" for your kind and warm words!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 15, 2006, 04:32:16 AM
What does that mean ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on September 15, 2006, 04:48:16 AM
It means that even after more than two months I still want to thank "pouvoir aux canards" for the following words:

"Dear Palimpsest... I love your land and your people for many many reasons"
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on September 15, 2006, 05:01:05 AM
What does that mean  ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Svetabel on September 15, 2006, 01:51:39 PM
What does that mean  ???

I guess Eric is poring on your answer ::)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 17, 2006, 08:30:23 PM
Anyway lets move on. Anyone knows how much property did King Michael from the Romanian government ?  ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 16, 2006, 01:33:23 PM
His Majesty is a very good man and I don't want to see anything on a thread bearing his name that would cause him any concern. I will certainly not permit any innuendo or smears against his family. Please consider this a very firm warning.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2006, 09:00:28 PM
I agree that King Michael is a good man and a great king. Although I did not see the innudeos and smears in this thread, although on another one I did see something that is quite unsettling.  :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 16, 2006, 11:45:35 PM
Please feel free to report unsettling posts to me by PM.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 17, 2006, 04:04:48 AM
I think the thread had some unsettling comments about Radu Duda, Princess Margarita's husband.  ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: David_Pritchard on October 17, 2006, 11:44:17 AM
I think the thread had some unsettling comments about Radu Duda, Princess Margarita's husband.  ???

This is nothing new at all. He has been controversial for many years, much of it of his own doing.

David
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on October 18, 2006, 08:41:58 PM

I think the thread had some unsettling comments about Radu Duda, Princess Margarita's husband.  ???

This is nothing new at all. He has been controversial for many years, much of it of his own doing.

David

Please elaborate!!!

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on October 18, 2006, 08:55:12 PM
Lady T
this is not the thread for this.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2006, 11:38:12 PM
Yes...There is another thread on Radu Duda.  ::)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on October 24, 2006, 11:29:35 PM
HM King Mihai celebrates his 85th birthday today,october 25th.

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1074650460&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1075748515&str...

At "Petit Grangettes"
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1142267420&str...

A young family
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1075748531&str...

With Princess Margarita
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1070661803&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1070663524&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1076783690&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1073703719&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1074648805&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topiixx?op=preview&ID=1070712279&str...

TM home at Lake Geneva,Switserland
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1076094350&str..
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 07, 2006, 09:57:58 PM
The Romanian parliament has rejected today the special law granting the King compensations for his properties. He is now in the same "boat" will all former owners of property dispossessed by the communists. Sad news from my point of view.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2006, 01:23:00 AM
Really ??? This is indeed shocking...What happened to those he already claimed ? Did he have to give that back too ?  ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on November 08, 2006, 09:27:19 AM
Today is the feast of the Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel for the Orthodox Church [new calendar]. All the best wishes for our King.




After the parliament APROVED the special law for the King some parliamentarians submitted a complaint at the Constitutional Court who decided that the law is unconstitutional. This is why the parliament voted yesterday AGAINST the special law. This law was conceived by the socialist [post-communist] government before 2004.

Now the King has to get his properties with “law no.10” like all other dispossessed.
The Savarsin Castle has been given back in 2002 [without some of the land and buildings in the nearby village] and Elisabeta Palace can still be used by the King until his death [as former head of state]. The problem is with the Peles Castle complex. Romanian newspapers say that the whole complex will be given back to the Royal Family and then the RF will sell it to the state [this would speed up the process].



Conclusion? It is still very difficult to do something right in Romania today.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2006, 11:08:21 AM
Sad news.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 29, 2006, 09:14:41 AM
85 years old!  How is the King's health these days.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on November 29, 2006, 09:41:16 AM


Seems to be all right ... I had a letter from the king two days ago  ...

85 years old!  How is the King's health these days.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on December 22, 2006, 01:50:11 PM
I just got a lovely note from Her Royal Highness, Princess Margarita. As many of you know, His Majesty was instrumental in securing his country's admission into the European Union. This will take effect on January 1, 2007. HRH says he will celebrate this with his countrymen in various villages over a three day period.

By the way, if I got any of these details incorrect, the fault is mine, as I am going from memory from the note.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: mishagreeneyes on January 29, 2007, 07:44:23 PM
The International Herald Tribune and The New York Times have just published a very fine interview/story, with photo, on His Majesty. Here's a link:

 
 THE SATURDAY PROFILE; Romania’s King Without a Throne Outlives Foes and Setbacks
... BUCHAREST, Romania KING MICHAEL I of the ... he stirred. Michael, 85, is the ... misadventures, abandoned Michael’s mother for another woman ...

January 27, 2007 - By CRAIG S. SMITH (NYT) - World - Biography 

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/27/world/europe/27michael.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

A small matter they got right, a small matter they got wrong:

They refer to him as "King Michael I," which, of course, he isn't -- until such time as there's another King Michael, that is.

They also describe him as "King ... of the Romanians," which is exactly right; "King ... of Romania" will do, but it's not the strictly correct title.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 29, 2007, 09:14:11 PM
Americans seldom got the titles right.... :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: James1941 on January 30, 2007, 08:11:44 PM
Mr. Craig Smith in his otherwise enjoyable article on King Michael also got one other thing wrong. He says the king is the last surviving head of state from World War II.
I sent him an email and suggested he was slightly mistaken. He seems to have forgotten King Michael's neighbor and fellow monarch, King Simeon of Bulgaria. He became king in 1943. Certainly, since King Simeon was just a small child, he did not have the same experiences and same impact on events as King MIchael did, but technically he too is a "surviving head of state' from World War II. I believe they are the only two still living.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on February 02, 2007, 09:03:02 AM

What a silly thing to say ...

Americans seldom got the titles right.... :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on February 04, 2007, 12:19:20 AM
no offense but if the ny times posted this photo on the internet with the possibility of linking to it and saving it (there are sites that publish their photos but it is impossible to download them or link to them and i am sure that the times could do that if they wanted) i am sure they were aware that people might just download it or link to it on a forum.

as long as no-one claimed it was done by anyone other than mr. calinescu and for nothing else other than ny times, i don't see the problem.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 04, 2007, 07:58:41 PM
Not a silly think to say...I remember in one of the royal weddings, one of the American commentators only could reconized Princess Caroline of Monaco ( whose mother was of course an American film star). If that is the best you can sent out, it does send a message about American being ignorant of royals. No offence to you (whom you are the best of crop). I am American too and when I mention a certain royal...most usually shot back "Princess Who ???" :P
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on February 05, 2007, 10:37:29 AM
thank you for the support Lady T and ilyala!
but Marlene has a point, so no more photos :'(
except the last two with Missy on her thread [I couldn't stop myself :-[]
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 05, 2007, 07:07:36 PM
Thanks for sharing...It is nice to see them.  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on February 06, 2007, 12:16:45 PM
One has to register with the Times, and they do take legal action against people who post their photos ... as with all media organizations, the Times has a rights and permissions department in which someone can ask if they can post a photo -- most likely, the Times will actually say no ...because the fees for the photo would be rather expensive ...

Of course there is a problem -- it is called violation of international intellectual property laws ...

Here is the information you need

http://www.nytimes.com/membercenter/faq/rightspermissions.html


no offense but if the ny times posted this photo on the internet with the possibility of linking to it and saving it (there are sites that publish their photos but it is impossible to download them or link to them and i am sure that the times could do that if they wanted) i am sure they were aware that people might just download it or link to it on a forum.

as long as no-one claimed it was done by anyone other than mr. calinescu and for nothing else other than ny times, i don't see the problem.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on February 06, 2007, 12:21:13 PM
It is not limited to American journalists ...

Not a silly think to say...I remember in one of the royal weddings, one of the American commentators only could reconized Princess Caroline of Monaco ( whose mother was of course an American film star). If that is the best you can sent out, it does send a message about American being ignorant of royals. No offence to you (whom you are the best of crop). I am American too and when I mention a certain royal...most usually shot back "Princess Who ???" :P
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2007, 07:43:29 PM
Yes maybe the Asians too... ;D
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: mishagreeneyes on February 06, 2007, 08:11:25 PM
One has to register with the Times, and they do take legal action against people who post their photos ... as with all media organizations, the Times has a rights and permissions department in which someone can ask if they can post a photo -- most likely, the Times will actually say no ...because the fees for the photo would be rather expensive ...

Of course there is a problem -- it is called violation of international intellectual property laws ...

Here is the information you need

http://www.nytimes.com/membercenter/faq/rightspermissions.html

Dear Ms. Eilers, You're absolutely right, of course, which is why I provided the link and not the story/photo itself. All the same,  there's no question technology is leapfrogging right over intellectual property law, which grows quainter and quainter by the year, like traffic regulatiions for horse-drawn carriages. "Information wants to be free" and all that. I'm assuming the poster resides outside the U.S., so the chance that The New York Times would pursue the issue is virtuallly nil BUT all APTM posters should be aware of this: If the injured party in a rights violation is determined to bust chops, the likelihood is that APTM will feel the heat. And that's no way to thank the people who have provided all of us with this wonderful free forum, is it? So out of respect for APTM, posters really should behave themselves.

In today's mail arriived Ivor Porter's "Michael of Romania The King and The Country" (Sutton). I'm looking forward to reading it.

Best wishes to all.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2007, 10:47:53 PM
I read it and it is a very excellent book.  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on February 07, 2007, 10:30:01 AM
The NYTimes (as with any other news organization) would probably issue a cease and desist to the board owner ...

I am a librarian, and well-versed in copyright law - and there is reciprocity among countries that have signed the international copyright law ... as well as here in the US and in other Western countries, the laws have become tighter, and more strict in the pat decade or so.



One has to register with the Times, and they do take legal action against people who post their photos ... as with all media organizations, the Times has a rights and permissions department in which someone can ask if they can post a photo -- most likely, the Times will actually say no ...because the fees for the photo would be rather expensive ...

Of course there is a problem -- it is called violation of international intellectual property laws ...

Here is the information you need

http://www.nytimes.com/membercenter/faq/rightspermissions.html

Dear Ms. Eilers, You're absolutely right, of course, which is why I provided the link and not the story/photo itself. All the same,  there's no question technology is leapfrogging right over intellectual property law, which grows quainter and quainter by the year, like traffic regulatiions for horse-drawn carriages. "Information wants to be free" and all that. I'm assuming the poster resides outside the U.S., so the chance that The New York Times would pursue the issue is virtuallly nil BUT all APTM posters should be aware of this: If the injured party in a rights violation is determined to bust chops, the likelihood is that APTM will feel the heat. And that's no way to thank the people who have provided all of us with this wonderful free forum, is it? So out of respect for APTM, posters really should behave themselves.

In today's mail arriived Ivor Porter's "Michael of Romania The King and The Country" (Sutton). I'm looking forward to reading it.

Best wishes to all.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 07, 2007, 07:45:52 PM
Indeed ! However with old photos...I don't think they can do much about that.  ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on February 08, 2007, 09:16:24 AM
If a photo is older than 75 years, it is largely copyright free.  However, if the photo comes from an archive, a news organization, a private collection, etc.,  rights issues remain.  The orginal photos may have "owners" and the owners can grant the right to publish for a fee.  The NYTimes is not going to allow someone to use a photo for free if it is over 75 years old ... they own it, and they have the right to charge a lot of money for someone to use it ... and trust me, NYTimes photos are not cheap.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 08, 2007, 08:03:41 PM
True ! So I have largely having to buy or borrow photos for my books. I think Arturo is a big buyer too. Photo dealers is another route for people to buy old Royal photos. I remember quite a few bought from the Romanov collection from the children of Grand Duchess Xenia a few years ago.  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on February 09, 2007, 09:29:15 AM
Many of us have large photo and postcard collections ... owning the postcard or photo (if you own an original and it is under 75 years old), you do not own the copyright to it ... you would still need to contact the copyright holder to get permission.  However, images older than 75 are out of copyright, but people own the rights to the prints ...so let's say, someone wants to use a photo or a postcard from  my collection,  I can allow them to use the image  but I can charge for it.  It is no longer a copyright issue but a rights issue.    However, if I make a new print of that image ... the new print is subject to copyright law.\
True ! So I have largely having to buy or borrow photos for my books. I think Arturo is a big buyer too. Photo dealers is another route for people to buy old Royal photos. I remember quite a few bought from the Romanov collection from the children of Grand Duchess Xenia a few years ago.  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 11, 2007, 07:41:29 PM
Very hard to know if the postcard (especially) came from "your" collection. There were so many made before the two world wars. For example I have seen the same card from both Bill Lalor's and Charlotte Zeepvat's collections, who own's the copyright ? As both produced photobooks.  ??? Once it was over 75 years...It became to murky... ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on February 12, 2007, 09:49:17 AM


It doesn't matter who owns the print ... if the print was published within the last 75 years, the copyright belongs not to the person who owns the photo or the postcard.  You may own the postcard, but you do not own the copyright.  If you want to publish, you will need to get permission from the copyright holder, who could be a photographer (or heirs) or an agency, etc.

If you own an item that is older than 75 years,  you do not need to find the copyright holder.  But if you are publishing a book, etc, and you acquire an image that is older than 75 years  -- from an archives or a news organization,  you will need permission to use that image.  It's not copyright, but a rights issue.  However,  usually, the selling organization will make a print of the original image -- and that print falls under copyright laws  because it is not over 75 years old.  The original image is, but not the reprint.

Very hard to know if the postcard (especially) came from "your" collection. There were so many made before the two world wars. For example I have seen the same card from both Bill Lalor's and Charlotte Zeepvat's collections, who own's the copyright ? As both produced photobooks.  ??? Once it was over 75 years...It became to murky... ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 12, 2007, 08:24:37 PM
That is getting too murky...Also hard to determine who has the copyright or printing right. The staff at the Danish Royal Library told me that in old images, it is very hard to determine who has the rights. Only those from the archievs need to list and inform. I don't think permission was even required in some archievs, just list where it came from and they are okay... ??? On the other hand it would be difficulty to procecute too if the image was less than 75, but unable to find the copyright holder (especially pre-WWII ones)... ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on February 13, 2007, 05:48:59 AM
Lets get back on Topic: King Michael

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on February 13, 2007, 10:29:48 AM
Danish copyright law may be a little different concerning age of an item .. however, the Danish royal archives do not allow their material to be used for free.  In this day and age, it is not difficult to locate someone ... or their heirs.

That is getting too murky...Also hard to determine who has the copyright or printing right. The staff at the Danish Royal Library told me that in old images, it is very hard to determine who has the rights. Only those from the archievs need to list and inform. I don't think permission was even required in some archievs, just list where it came from and they are okay... ??? On the other hand it would be difficulty to procecute too if the image was less than 75, but unable to find the copyright holder (especially pre-WWII ones)... ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2007, 07:50:31 PM
Indeed ! So was the Spanish. Ricardo told me that their copyright laws are a bit different too. Anyway let the publishers beware then.  ;)

OKay back to King Michael. I do wonder if he had an heir yet...As Margarita is not having children yet.  ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on February 14, 2007, 01:47:25 AM
i'm not sure what you mean. do you wonder what would have happened had he had an heir?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 14, 2007, 03:06:46 AM
The heir presumtive to the Throne of Romania. I think right now King Michael's heir seemed to be Princess Margarita, but after her... ??? I am talking about the line of succession.  :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on February 14, 2007, 08:15:38 AM
with the risk of sounding cynical i don't think it will matter after her.  :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: mishagreeneyes on February 14, 2007, 04:54:16 PM
The heir presumtive to the Throne of Romania. I think right now King Michael's heir seemed to be Princess Margarita, but after her... ??? I am talking about the line of succession.  :(

I don't think that's quite right, Eric, although it would be very nice if it was. It's my understanding that there's no succession through the female line under the old Romanian constitution, and I've no idea if there are any house rules governing this issue. Perhaps Ms. Eilers would address this question? Otherwise, at HM's death, the succession would revert to the House of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen in Germany, I would expect.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 14, 2007, 09:15:51 PM
Well...If they would accept a new candidate from that house. I think the Romanians will take King Michael and his family, but a complete stanger with no ties to the country ? I really doubt they will be accepted.  :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on February 15, 2007, 02:03:56 AM
i really doubt ANY king will be accepted.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 15, 2007, 03:45:56 AM
Well...King Michael stands a chance, because he was there. I don't think another foreigner will be accepted.  ???
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on February 16, 2007, 01:44:02 AM
well, king michael has a better chance than any other king, however he doesn't stand much of a chance either.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 16, 2007, 02:03:18 AM
That is what I said...He is the BEST chance for the monarchy in Romania. The idea that it will revert back to the Hohenzollern family in Germany is pure fantasy. The Romanians will not accept that.  :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on February 16, 2007, 06:09:00 AM
well, king michael has a better chance than any other king, however he doesn't stand much of a chance either.

Alexander of Serbia has an execellent chance too.

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: mishagreeneyes on February 16, 2007, 01:21:11 PM
Well...If they would accept a new candidate from that house. I think the Romanians will take King Michael and his family, but a complete stanger with no ties to the country ? I really doubt they will be accepted.  :(

And I quite agree with you -- but that's the way it works, it seems to me. Before the throne can be offered to a new dynasty, Romania would have to reach some agreement with the Hohen-Sigs strictly as a legal/consitutional point, i.e., remember, a previous Romanian government made a formal commitment to the Hohen-Sigs, so the present government couldn't just abrogate it without looking pretty shabby. But the entire point is moot -- it's very unlikely there will be a restoration in Romania, even though such a development would be very good for the country IMO.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on February 16, 2007, 07:18:29 PM
Well...If they would accept a new candidate from that house. I think the Romanians will take King Michael and his family, but a complete stanger with no ties to the country ? I really doubt they will be accepted.  :(

And I quite agree with you -- but that's the way it works, it seems to me. Before the throne can be offered to a new dynasty, Romania would have to reach some agreement with the Hohen-Sigs strictly as a legal/consitutional point, i.e., remember, a previous Romanian government made a formal commitment to the Hohen-Sigs, so the present government couldn't just abrogate it without looking pretty shabby. But the entire point is moot -- it's very unlikely there will be a restoration in Romania, even though such a development would be very good for the country IMO.

No I was referring to King Alexander of Serbia back on the Serbian throne.. a la...King Juan Carlos of Spain; a Restoriantion.

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on February 19, 2007, 03:53:46 AM
well, king michael has a better chance than any other king, however he doesn't stand much of a chance either.

Alexander of Serbia has an execellent chance too.

TampaBay

genealogically maybe. however most romanians probably don't know about alexander's relations to the romanian royal family and would just ask what that serbian dude wants from them.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on February 19, 2007, 05:06:40 AM
Well...If they would accept a new candidate from that house. I think the Romanians will take King Michael and his family, but a complete stanger with no ties to the country ? I really doubt they will be accepted.  :(

And I quite agree with you -- but that's the way it works, it seems to me. Before the throne can be offered to a new dynasty, Romania would have to reach some agreement with the Hohen-Sigs strictly as a legal/consitutional point, i.e., remember, a previous Romanian government made a formal commitment to the Hohen-Sigs, so the present government couldn't just abrogate it without looking pretty shabby. But the entire point is moot -- it's very unlikely there will be a restoration in Romania, even though such a development would be very good for the country IMO.

No I was referring to King Alexander of Serbia back on the Serbian throne.. a la...King Juan Carlos of Spain; a Restoriantion.

TampaBay

No I was referring to King Alexander of Serbia back on the Serbian throne.. not on the Romanina Throne..

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 19, 2007, 07:58:49 AM
Oh...I get that.  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on February 20, 2007, 08:53:33 AM
oh

right

i'm not very aware with what the serbian people think of a monarchy restoration, but i wish him all the best.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 20, 2007, 08:13:16 PM
Indeed let wish him good luck !  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 01, 2007, 07:24:51 PM
Hip Hip Hooray !!! We have a museum and the king has its headquarters. ! Win-Win situation.  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Seth Leonard on April 21, 2007, 01:37:29 PM
The King and Queen with their son-in-law (Easter 2007)
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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 22, 2007, 01:16:45 PM
They all looked well.  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 11:42:11 PM
(http://pro.corbis.com/images/VV1346A.jpg?size=67&uid={d1ba7323-772b-4d44-82ad-45967a2b2072})

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/AU001285.jpg?size=67&uid={11ef6752-9b4e-47d1-8a32-b09e54268a72})
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 11, 2007, 12:24:14 AM
A rare one the three togather.  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on May 11, 2007, 08:14:27 AM


http://english.hotnews.ro/What-the-newspapers-say-May-11-2007-articol_44941.htm


"...This was the big picture on May 10, the traditional day of Monarchy in Romania. Taking the occasion, King Michael I of Romania held a speech, asking all politicians to build a new Constitution, one to fit Romania's statute as an European state, Evenimentul Zilei reads."

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on May 12, 2007, 01:08:09 AM
i saw an interview with him yesterday. he is so right but unfortunately i don't think anyone will listen to him...  :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 13, 2007, 08:24:47 PM
Pity... :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: mishagreeneyes on May 13, 2007, 10:16:06 PM
The Romanian newspaper Ziua ("Today") reported May 10 that the Romanian organization LPE (the League for Europe) is considering presenting a series of civic debates throughout the country regarding the form of the national government, which would include discussion about a possible restoration of a constitutional monarchy.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 13, 2007, 11:53:13 PM
Really ? That is indeed good news !!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on May 14, 2007, 12:59:18 PM
i found these pictures of michael with his mom on ebay
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/the%20Royal%20family%20of%20Romania/eBay67801.jpg)

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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 14, 2007, 08:04:55 PM
Nice pics ! Thanks for sharing !  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on May 15, 2007, 09:10:00 AM
Radio Free Europe
Romania: Embattled President Takes On Political Elite
Monday, May 14, 2007

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/05/6FE8DEC1-31B6-4868-9FE1-012C66A6B5B9.html


RFE/RL: King Mihai thinks that a new constitution is necessary, a European one, in order to set up clear roles for the institutions of the Romanian state. A declaration resembling somewhat your own point of view, isn't it?

Basescu: Yes, as head of state, King Mihai understands very well our situation. The current constitution does not provide any solutions in the case there are disputes between the powers of the government. None of the powers in the state -- no matter whether it is about the judiciary, or the Constitutional Court, or the parliament, or the executive -- controls the levers to unlock this political situation.

RFE/RL: Continuing about King Mihai, I remember that businessman Dinu Patriciu talked in an interview published recently in the "Cotidianul" [newspaper], if I am not mistaken, about monarchy, about restoration of the monarchy in Romania.

Basescu: These are options. We have to see what the Romanians want indeed.

RFE/RL: You are president acting as a player, and you prefer a presidential republic after the French model. Why would such a state organization be better for Romania?

Basescu: This is not about someone's preferences. Before amending the constitution, we have to ask the Romanian citizens what they want, because you can't really propose to them a project they would not vote for. From my point of view, any solution is good, if it is functional in the constitution. An essential condition for this solution is its acceptance by and the willingness of Romanians. There is no use in proposing a parliamentary republic, if the voters want a semi-presidential one, and no use in proposing a monarchy, if they want the republic. Therefore we must take into account the will of the 22 million Romanians and give them a constitution in compliance with their will.








Nine O'Clock, 14 May, King Michael denounces political crisis

http://www.princeradu.ro/index.php?page=articol&aid=1662&cid=132&cid2=256

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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: miki_nastya on August 05, 2007, 05:52:05 AM
   What is the relation betwen King Michel and his grand children? Can you post any photos of them? I never seen one.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: dmitri on August 05, 2007, 06:37:15 AM
The relationship is a good one.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on August 17, 2007, 09:35:07 AM

the King probably has a better relationship with his two British grandchildren, and a distant relationship with his two American grandchildren - he probably has not seen the American grandchildren in years, unfortunately.

   What is the relation betwen King Michel and his grand children? Can you post any photos of them? I never seen one.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on August 17, 2007, 08:51:38 PM

the King probably has a better relationship with his two British grandchildren, and a distant relationship with his two American grandchildren - he probably has not seen the American grandchildren in years, unfortunately.


Marlene

Which of the Romanian Princesses (Daughters of King Michael) have children and hoe old are they?

Tampabay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marina Cummings on August 19, 2007, 08:46:37 AM
Hi TampaBay

Princess Helen has two children :Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills, born 1985, and Elisabeta Karina (known as Karina)de Roumanie Medforth Mills, born 1989
Princess Irina also has 2 children: Michael Kreuger born in 1985 and Angelica Kreuger born in 1986
Sophie de Roumanie has a daughter, Elisabeta-Maria Biarneix or de Laufenborg, born in 1999.  Marlene would know what is the correct surname, I believe it is Laufenbourg.

Marina

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on August 20, 2007, 08:46:04 AM

Elisabeta has had her surname changed to Biarniex

Hi TampaBay

Princess Helen has two children :Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills, born 1985, and Elisabeta Karina (known as Karina)de Roumanie Medforth Mills, born 1989
Princess Irina also has 2 children: Michael Kreuger born in 1985 and Angelica Kreuger born in 1986
Sophie de Roumanie has a daughter, Elisabeta-Maria Biarneix or de Laufenborg, born in 1999.  Marlene would know what is the correct surname, I believe it is Laufenbourg.

Marina


Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: dmitri on August 21, 2007, 12:16:12 PM
Well they can all live pretty private lives as the Romanian monarchy is very unlikely to ever be restored, mores the pity.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on August 21, 2007, 08:35:03 PM

Elisabeta has had her surname changed to Biarniex


Did she marry and then change her name?  If not, why did she change her name?

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marina Cummings on August 23, 2007, 03:53:21 PM
Hello TampaBay, Hellooooooo, you are not concentrating!

Elisabeta Maria Biarniex de Laufenbourg was born in August1999 , which makes her 7 years old.

From what I know, Princess Sophie married Mr Alain Michel Biarniex, who attempted to pass himself off as an Imperial Archduke of Austria- HIRH Alain Michel Léonce de Habsbourg d'Autriche Alsace Lorraine, or some such exaggeration (it's on the internet). After it was  found out that he was an usurper, he changed his name to "de Laufenbourg" ( a defunct Habsburg title I believe), in French law he could presumably obtain this as a sort of "pen name", the little girl was thus christened "de Laufenbourg".  The couple subsequently divorced, and now it seems that her name has been changed to Biarniex, her father's real surname.  Poor kid.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on August 24, 2007, 11:07:01 AM
May I take for granted that King Michael did not approve this marriage?

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marina Cummings on August 24, 2007, 01:41:43 PM
You are right - King Michael did not approve, and Sophie thus lost her title.  This is a sample of what can be found on the internet - for what it is worth.  Probably it is more or less correct:

1)http://www.geocities.com/dagtho/uk-succession.html

15.  Sophie de Laufenborg, née Princess of Romania, married at Neuilly 29 August 1998 Alain Michel Léonce Biarneix (b. Nancy 10 July 1957). The marriage was not approved by HM The King of Romania, whereupon Mrs. de Laufenborg lost her style, title and rank as Princess of Romania. Her husband, who calls himself "de Laufenborg", converted to the Orthodox faith prior to the wedding, which means that Mrs. de Laufenborg and her daughter are in line of succession to the British throne. The couple have now divorced, and the former Mrs. de Laufenborg has been reconciled with her parents.

2)http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/Roumanian_Royal_Family.htm

Princess Sophia lost her title and status on 29 August 1998 when she married without her father's permission. Alain Biarneix is also known as Michel de Laufenborg

3)http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~byzantium/royaldata6.txt
Sophie of Romania, daughter of King Michael, is listed here: She m.Michel Biarneix de Laufenbourg & has issue:

(1) Elisabeta-Maria Laufenbourg, b.AUG 15 1999 in Paris. Sophie was stripped of her title and succession rights upon her marriage.

Biarneix sounds like a cad....
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 29, 2007, 12:35:00 AM
HM has said that the happiest moment of his life was seeing his mother when she returned from exile after having to leave because of Carol's return. He is indeed a remarkable man and we are lucky to still have him with us.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2007, 04:39:14 AM
Indeed !  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: dmitri on October 29, 2007, 06:51:48 AM
The greatest tragedy was his not being restored after the fall of the vile dictator Cucesceau. Instead Romania suffered under Cucesceau's fellow travellers such as Ilescu. What a tragedy.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2007, 08:27:05 PM
I think The Romanian people needs to make a stand for its King.  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on October 29, 2007, 08:42:43 PM
i agree  ;D
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2007, 02:17:53 AM
lEys hope it would not be too late...the King is getting old now... :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Laura_ on October 31, 2007, 01:46:01 PM
King Michael and Queen Anne attended the launch of Dr. Diana Mandache's new book, Marie of Romania.Images of a Queen.Ted Rosvall attended the event as well. (Bucharest, 29 Oct. 2007)

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Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 31, 2007, 09:15:51 PM
Thanks for sharing the pics.  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on December 28, 2007, 12:03:49 PM
Any recent information on King Michael and Queen Anne?

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2007, 12:59:23 AM
I heard that they are still in good health !  :)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on January 03, 2008, 08:43:04 AM
New House Laws and a whole thread to enjoy....:

http://members3.boardhost.com/EuropeanRoyals/msg/1198955305.html

Courtesy Remus,ERMB.

HM remembers a sad diamond "jubilee",if you can call it that.It is exactly 60 years to the day that he was send out of the country by the  communists.
Meanwhile The King and Queen live in their country again.

Last week he held his annual new year speech in which he cheered the country's entrance in the EU,but also called for politicians and civil servants,and all Rumanians,to finally start working for the institutions that employ them instead of for their own benefit.

Had,oh had,events been different King Mihai would have celebrated his jubilee as the,by far,longest reigning Monarch last year,80 years,(since july 20th 1927),leaving dear Lillibeth at more then arms lenght.It was at her wedding btw that he met with Queen Anna.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: mishagreeneyes on January 03, 2008, 11:41:48 AM
Some recent pictures of King Michael and his family: http://www.princeradublog.ro/?p=917

Also, on Dec. 30, His Majesty signed an updated version of the Fundamental Laws of the Romanian Royal House which reiterates that HRH the  Princess Margarita will be Head of House upon His Majesty's demise, raises her husband, the Prince Radu, to the dignity of HRH (exclusive of any succession rights), and designates His Majesty's grandson, Nicholas, as prince and HRH.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on January 03, 2008, 04:09:47 PM
King Michael's proclamation is indeed an interesting move. His grandson, Nicholas Medforth-Mills, will become an HRH and Prince of Romania upon His Majesty's death, or when Nicholas turns 25 years old, which I believe is in 2010.

It also restricts the succession to descendants of King Michael, and eliminates all other potential dynasts, including of course all the remaining descendants of Ferdinand and Marie.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TampaBay on January 04, 2008, 07:35:10 AM
King Michael's proclamation is indeed an interesting move. His grandson, Nicholas Medforth-Mills, will become an HRH and Prince of Romania upon His Majesty's death, or when Nicholas turns 25 years old, which I believe is in 2010.

It also restricts the succession to descendants of King Michael, and eliminates all other potential dynasts, including of course all the remaining descendants of Ferdinand and Marie.

Why is the wait until Nicholas Medforth-Mills turns 25?

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: palimpsest on January 04, 2008, 08:57:59 PM
Princess Margareta inherits throne
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In a private ceremony King Mihai I of Romania designated Princess Margareta to be his dynastic successor. Her Royal Highness Margareta is to inherit the Romanian throne and after the King's death she is to become guardian of the Crown. The New Dynasty Status of the Royal Family, which His Majesty signed 6 decades after the Communists had forced him into abdication, makes the throne inheritance clear. Prince Radu of Hohenzollern-Veringen is going to advance in rank to His Royal Highness the Prince of Romania.
In the document by the Royal House there is mentioned: "I, King Mihai I, on behalf of my authority as Head of the Royal House of Romania, obeying my duty to history and to my family's successors, in keeping with the European Union's principles and values that guarantee every person's right to express identity and ideals, by acting as my will pleases, decide that my eldest daughter, Princess Margareta, will be my dynastic successor as Head of the Royal House of Romania after my death."
Throne succession in European style
King Mihai I is demanding the Parliament of Romania to give up the use of the salic law if the Romanian nation and the Parliament find it appropriate to use monarchy as a form of governing. His Majesty has argued that, as token of Romania's EU integration and given the European Convention of Human Rights, the Royal House has modified the principles and use of the salic law that will no longer be applied when decising on succession, for it fits neither the rights in today's Europe nor Romanian society's values.
According to the new Status of the Royal House, the Crown is going to pass to the first male to be born or, in case of no male, to the first female. (...)
The Prince of Romania
Prince Radu has become a Prince of Romania to be called His Royal Highness. Such ranks are granted ad personam and they are not transmisible. The Prince is going to remain a non-dynastic member of the Royal House of Romania. After the King's death, he is to become a Prince of Romania. When Nicolae, the son of Princess Elena, turns 25, he will also become a Royal Highness.
In the Status there is also added that, apart from the King, the Queen, their daughters and the people mentioned elsewhere in the document, there is no other member of the Royal House of Romania. Therefore any addition of new members may emerge only with consent from the Head of the Royal House of Romania.


http://www.ziua.net/display.php?data=2008-01-04&id=231302&kword=king (http://www.ziua.net/display.php?data=2008-01-04&id=231302&kword=king)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on January 06, 2008, 01:06:40 AM
King Michael's proclamation is indeed an interesting move. His grandson, Nicholas Medforth-Mills, will become an HRH and Prince of Romania upon His Majesty's death, or when Nicholas turns 25 years old, which I believe is in 2010.

It also restricts the succession to descendants of King Michael, and eliminates all other potential dynasts, including of course all the remaining descendants of Ferdinand and Marie.

Why is the wait until Nicholas Medforth-Mills turns 25?

TampaBay

If King Michael dies before his grandson turns 25, Nicholas will become a dynast upon Michael's death. I can't presume to know His Majesty's thinking on this subject, but my guess is that the reason for waiting until 25 is to allow Nicholas some chance for a normal non-public life before he assumes his dynastic duties.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2008, 10:56:00 PM
I think that would make sense.  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Laura_ on June 11, 2008, 11:21:01 AM


(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6100/hotnews20080609ij1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Romania's Royal Family Celebrates Diamond Wedding

Romania's King Michael and Queen Ana celebrate on June 10 sixty years of marriage. This unique moment will be marked by a series of events at the Elisabeta Palace, at the Romanian Athenee and the Palace Hilton Hotel in Bucharest and the Peles Castle in Sinaia. The two will celebrate with the family, members of European Royal houses and friends from the country and abroad.

On this occasion, the royal familly will organize two public events. Tuesday, June 10, at Ateneul Roman in downtown Bucharest, an extraordinary concert will be held, followed by a cocktail. Another event, on June 12 at the National Museum History when the volume The Diamond Wedding will be launched, written by Princess Margareta and Prince Radu.

Apart from the public event, other three private ones will be organized attended by some 14 representatives of the European Royal houses, among which Her Majesty Queen Sofia of Spain, King Simeon II and Queen Margaret of Bulgaria, King Constantin II and Queen Ana Maria of Greece and others, a press release of the Royal House informs.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Laura_ on June 11, 2008, 11:24:34 AM
King Mihai and Queen Ana Celebrate the Diamond Wedding


The event is marked these days by special happenings organized both in Bucharest and Sinaia, events that will be attended by 14 European Royal families, and by outstanding representatives of the Romanian society.

After the event of last week which marked the return of King Mihai to Peles Castle after 60 years, the Royal family is now under the focus of attention. King Mihai and Queen Ana celebrated yesterday the diamond wedding, after joining their destinies sixty years ago at Tatoi in Greece.

Yesterday evening there was a concert at the Romanian Athenaeum, where the national orchestra of “George Enescu” Philharmonic played, in the presence of the Royal family and their guests, works of composers such as George Enescu, Franz Liszt, Edvard Grieg and Giuseppe Verdi. The volume “The Diamond Wedding” written by Princess Margareta and Prince Radu will be launched tomorrow, at 11.00 h., at the National Museum of History, a book described by the authors as “a story with pictures, in which the present day people watch events full of love, beauty, hope and pride.” Besides these events, opened to the media and to the public, three other private occurrences take place in Bucharest and Sinaia. The persons close to the Royal family will rally today at Sinaia, for an outdoor party organized at Peles Castle.

The concert from the Romanian Athenaeum and the other events organized on the occasion of the “Diamond wedding” will be attended by around 1,000 persons, members of 14 European royal families, among whom Queen Sofia of Spain, King Simeon II and Queen Margarita of the Bulgarians, King Constantin II and Queen Ana-Maria of the Hellenes, Prince Lorenz of Belgium, Prince Alexandru II and Princess Ecaterina of Serbia, Archduke Karl of Austria, the Duke of Braganza (Portugal), Duke Amedeo and Duchess Silvia of Savoia-Aosta (Italy), Prince Philip and Princess Annette of Bourbon-Parma, who will come to Bucharest to share the joy of this anniversary with King Mihai and Queen Ana.

The foreign guests will be joined by members of the Government and Parliament of Romania, representatives of the Orthodox Church and Romanian Academy, an important number of representatives of the Diplomatic Corps accredited to Bucharest, starting with the Papal Nuncio, personalities of the Romanian art and culture, of the business and media circles, a press release of the Royal House reads.

Destinies United for Six Decades

The King and the Queen met in London, in 1947, the year when Mihai I was forced to abdicate. The two met on the occasion of the marriage of Prince Elisabeth II of Great Britain with Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, King Mihai proposing to Princess Ana of Bourbon Parma only one week after he had met her. After the event from Great Britain, the King returned to Romania, in spite of the political pressures made at home, because many statesmen would have liked King Mihai to remain in exile. But, soon, on December 30, 1947, he was obliged to abdicate, on the grounds that if he does not sign the act through which he renounces the Throne, 1,000 young persons arrested by the communists were to be executed.

Consequently, the wedding of King Mihai and Queen Ana, which took place on June 10, 1948, at Tatoi, in Greece, marked also the debut of an exile of 44 years. For this reason, Queen Ana stepped on the Romanian soil hardly in 1992, on Easter. The happiness of the wedding was also shadowed by the refusal of Pope Pius XII to acknowledge the wedding, which rendered Queen Ana, who was a Roman-Catholic, very sad. Loyal to his country, King Mihai continued the tradition begun by King Carol I that says that all the members of the Royal Family of Romania had to be christened in the Orthodox religion. Consequently, Queen Ana was excommunicated from the Roman-Catholic Church until the pontificate of Pope John XXIII, and not any of her close relatives attended the wedding. All the descendants of King Mihai belong to the Orthodox Church. The wedding from June 1948 was attended, among others, by the Queen-Mother Elena of Romania, Prince Erik of Denmark, uncle of Queen Ana, and relatives from the families of Hanover and Hesse. Queen Sofia of Spain and King Constantin of the Hellenes, present these days in Romania to mark the diamond wedding, were, 60 years ago, pages at the wedding of the King and Queen, in Athens.
The Royal pair has five daughters: the Princesses Margareta, Elena, Irina, Sofia and Maria. King Mihai, accompanied by the whole Royal family, has returned officially to Peles Castle five days ago, after an absence of 60 years.

source: http://www.nineoclock.ro/index.php?page=detalii&categorie=homenews&id=20080611-9053
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Post by: Lucien on June 11, 2008, 11:45:34 PM
http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=7664974&pos=5

 :)
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Post by: Laura_ on June 12, 2008, 06:26:31 AM
more pics ..King Mihai and Queen Ana

(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4752/mmllwn1.jpg)

(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7794/rompres1674644sf0.jpg)

(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/751/peles5iun086oz9.jpg)


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Post by: Laura_ on June 12, 2008, 06:36:04 AM
(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9946/p000100080063majestatiloi5.jpg)

(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1250/regina3ht6.jpg)

(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/2350/peles5iun085ne8.jpg)

(http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/443/regina10gp9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7798/regina11vs1.jpg)

(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9483/peles5iun083xp0.jpg)




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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 12, 2008, 11:12:14 AM
Nice pictures Thanks !
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Post by: TampaBay on June 12, 2008, 06:08:07 PM

(http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/443/regina10gp9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)



Who are the women stading in the back row?


TampaBay
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Post by: Eurohistory on June 13, 2008, 02:39:17 AM
Greetings from Bucharest,

Crown Princess Margarita and her sister Elena, with their respective husbands, Mr. Duda and Mr. McAteer.

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: TampaBay on June 13, 2008, 07:01:50 AM
Greetings from Bucharest,

Crown Princess Margarita and her sister Elena, with their respective husbands, Mr. Duda and Mr. McAteer.

Arturo Beéche

Arturo,

While your in Bucharest, would you please sign King Michael to a book deal?

TampaBay
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Post by: Prince_Christopher on June 13, 2008, 08:17:48 PM
Does anyone have images of Nicholas Medforth-Mills?

Will he be Margareta's heir or must the succession pass through his mother Elena first?
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Post by: StevenL on June 13, 2008, 08:37:41 PM
Does anyone have images of Nicholas Medforth-Mills?

At the time of the Succession announcement, there were some pictures of him looking rather uncomfortable in ill-fitting suits.
He looked pretty awkward, but not unattractive. It will take him some time and much effort to transform into a prince and a
Romanian. In some pics, the only relative he was with was Radu Duda -- looking, unfortunately, much like Radu's trainee and protégé.
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Post by: LisaDavidson on June 14, 2008, 01:09:43 AM
Does anyone have images of Nicholas Medforth-Mills?

Will he be Margareta's heir or must the succession pass through his mother Elena first?

It's been awhile since the change in the succession was announced. I believe that Princess Margarita will become head of the house upon the death of her father and Nicholas Medforth-Mills will become a HRH and Prince of Romania when he turns 25 (or upon the death of the king, whichever occurs first). The succession is limited to descendants of King Michael and will be by primogeniture, which means it would have to go through Nicholas' mother first.
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Post by: Norbert on June 14, 2008, 10:54:36 AM
I don't know, perhaps they should accept that there is no possibllility of a restoration now and let the lad remain in England and lead an ordinary life ?
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Post by: allanraymond on June 27, 2008, 03:19:22 PM
The Fundamental Rules Of The Royal Family Of Romania at: http://www.familiaregala.ro/upload/p0002_FundamentalRules.pdf provides details of the succession.

Allan Raymond

Does anyone have images of Nicholas Medforth-Mills?

Will he be Margareta's heir or must the succession pass through his mother Elena first?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on November 09, 2008, 02:34:06 PM
According to a press release, an Angelica Kreuger of Coos Bay, OR received her GED in June 2008. Good for her, and she might be King Michael's granddaughter.

http://www.socc.edu/about/news/060108/socc_ged_graduation.html
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Post by: Marlene on November 14, 2008, 04:01:14 PM

Sophie and Biarnieux are divorced and have been for some time.  Sophie's title was restored, and she and her daughter are now Romanian dynasts.  Sophie's birth registration has been changed to reflect her real surname.   

The  genealogical information was first published in my book, Queen Victoria's Descendants.

You are right - King Michael did not approve, and Sophie thus lost her title.  This is a sample of what can be found on the internet - for what it is worth.  Probably it is more or less correct:

1)http://www.geocities.com/dagtho/uk-succession.html

15.  Sophie de Laufenborg, née Princess of Romania, married at Neuilly 29 August 1998 Alain Michel Léonce Biarneix (b. Nancy 10 July 1957). The marriage was not approved by HM The King of Romania, whereupon Mrs. de Laufenborg lost her style, title and rank as Princess of Romania. Her husband, who calls himself "de Laufenborg", converted to the Orthodox faith prior to the wedding, which means that Mrs. de Laufenborg and her daughter are in line of succession to the British throne. The couple have now divorced, and the former Mrs. de Laufenborg has been reconciled with her parents.

2)http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/Roumanian_Royal_Family.htm

Princess Sophia lost her title and status on 29 August 1998 when she married without her father's permission. Alain Biarneix is also known as Michel de Laufenborg

3)http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~byzantium/royaldata6.txt
Sophie of Romania, daughter of King Michael, is listed here: http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal00975 She m.Michel Biarneix de Laufenbourg & has issue:

(1) Elisabeta-Maria Laufenbourg, b.AUG 15 1999 in Paris. Sophie was stripped of her title and succession rights upon her marriage.

Biarneix sounds like a cad....
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Post by: Marlene on November 14, 2008, 04:02:44 PM
Lisa,

yes, it is the same Angelica Kreuger

According to a press release, an Angelica Kreuger of Coos Bay, OR received her GED in June 2008. Good for her, and she might be King Michael's granddaughter.

http://www.socc.edu/about/news/060108/socc_ged_graduation.html
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ilyala on June 13, 2009, 07:08:34 AM
...has anyone heard of this name?

I was walking yesterday through a bookshop and saw a book by him called "The Lost Queen". I read through it enough to see that he claims to be the son of king Michael of Romania from a prior marriage... that no-one knows about.

I'm surprised such a book was published and I knew nothing of it. No-one bothered to talk about it - not even to deny it.

Searching the Internet, I discovered http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Stanzeleit - Mr. Stanzeleit's Wikipedia page (in Romanian).

There I filled in the blanks. He claims King Michael was married to Nerissa Jane Irene Bowes-Lyon (a niece of the Queen Mother) who - according to him - was shot by the Germans when they realized they couldn't use her to blackmail George VI (with something). Apparently Carol insisted the marriage was kept a secret so that the relations with the Germans weren't ruined.

But the Wikipedia entry also clarifies that Nerissa actually died in 1986 and that she was apparently mentally retarded...? (That's what the Wikipedia page says, is it true? Anyone knows anything about this woman?)

One thing I do remember about the book was that there were some document copies at the end of the book, presumably proving Mr. Stanzeleit's claims.

Obviously the story is a complete fabrication but I can't help but wonder, how the hell did the man come up with it? Why pick an English noblewoman who never went to Romania, when an obscure Romanian girl would have helped his matters more? (had he come up with a story similar to Zizi Lambrino's, it would have been much harder to prove him wrong) How did he get to publish a book about it - who went through all the trouble of faking documents for him? And if he did that, how come I never heard of it until I saw the book in the bookshop?

Anyone know anything about this story?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on June 17, 2009, 02:17:25 PM
This has got to be one of the silliest (and pathetic) stories I have ever heard.

Nerissa Jane and her sister, Katherine, were born mentally retarded, and spent most of their lives in a mental insitution.  They were the daughters of the Hon. John Bowes-Lyon and his wife, Fenella who brought the gene into the family. Her sister, Harriet, had three mentally handicapped daughters - and all were in the same insitution.   Although Nerissa and Katherine were first cousins of Queen Elizabeth, they were never members of the Royal family -- and the arranagements for their institutionalization were made by their maternal grandfather, Lord Clinton.   The Bowes-Lyon/Fanes and Trefusis families kept the arrangements private because it was a private matter ...
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Post by: LisaDavidson on June 18, 2009, 07:23:32 PM
This has got to be one of the silliest (and pathetic) stories I have ever heard.

Nerissa Jane and her sister, Katherine, were born mentally retarded, and spent most of their lives in a mental insitution.  They were the daughters of the Hon. John Bowes-Lyon and his wife, Fenella who brought the gene into the family. Her sister, Harriet, had three mentally handicapped daughters - and all were in the same insitution.   Although Nerissa and Katherine were first cousins of Queen Elizabeth, they were never members of the Royal family -- and the arranagements for their institutionalization were made by their maternal grandfather, Lord Clinton.   The Bowes-Lyon/Fanes and Trefusis families kept the arrangements private because it was a private matter ...

And it's a shame others are not willing to respect the privacy of this family in order to publish the silly book.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on October 25, 2009, 12:43:35 AM
HM King Mihail celebrates his 88th birthday today,sunday october 25th.
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Post by: Lucien on October 25, 2009, 03:22:08 AM
HM King Mihail celebrates his 88th birthday today,sunday october 25th.

http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?page=3&ShowPicture=1015395&pos=24

http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?page=3&ShowPicture=1015259&pos=23

courtesy royalimages. :)
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Post by: Princess Susan on October 25, 2009, 03:36:21 AM
I wish him all the best for his birthday! It's nice age! :)
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Post by: miki_nastya on October 25, 2009, 08:02:00 AM
  I wish to his Majesty a Happy Birthday !!!
          LA MULTI ANI MAJESTATE ! (in romanian- my native language :P )
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Post by: KarlandZita on November 19, 2009, 02:10:21 PM
Princess Helen and Prince Michael in Switzerland, 27 January 1936 :

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//BHC_RTV/1936/01/27/BGU407210150/?s=prince+michael+of+romania
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Post by: KarlandZita on November 30, 2009, 02:19:40 PM
Queen Anne of Romania during the Cruise on Agamemnon in 1955 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/Romanian%20Royalty/anner.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2009, 02:24:31 PM
Yes. The match making cruise in Greece.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 30, 2009, 02:29:42 PM
i like this one of the couple

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/Stella_sabata/untitled2vg6mx1.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2009, 02:34:13 PM
That is a sweet photo ! I wonder which birthday wasit taken ?
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Post by: KarlandZita on November 30, 2009, 02:57:33 PM
Yes, a beautiful image of an exemplary couple.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2009, 06:06:57 PM
They are...still a very loving and down to earth couple.
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Post by: KarlandZita on December 05, 2009, 07:55:02 AM
Queen Anne of Romania during the Cruise on Agamemnon in 1955 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/Romanian%20Royalty/anner.jpg)

Sorry but I made a mistake in the date. In reality the cruise on the Agamemnon took place during the summer of 1954.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2009, 11:58:39 AM
No worries. We all make mistake sone time or the other.
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Post by: KarlandZita on December 05, 2009, 12:16:57 PM
An other lovely photo of Mihai and Anne together :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/Romanian%20Royalty/Regele%20Mihai%20I/mm160.jpg)
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Post by: michaelJen on December 19, 2009, 05:40:41 PM
The Stanzeleit story is intriguing, but a photo would be more believable than any written documentation.  The story I’m familiar with has Michael fathering a Son by a beautiful blond American Woman named “Helen” who after being recruited to wartime Washington DC was moved overseas to Paris at the end of WW II where she worked as a translator primarily of  slavic languages.  Her parents were immigrants, her Mother being Slovakian from Kosice where her parents met, after her Father changed his name to escape collapsing Imperial Russia. 

The Kings son being of Princess Margaritas age was raised for a time in Europe until, for the child’s protection, was raised within his Mother’s family in the US.  After a discreet wedding, a reception, occurred at “Au Mouton de Panurge,” with photographs taken in front of the murals.  The event was witnessed by out of uniform US Military who were in attendance.  As the situation deteriorated in Eastern Europe the King would soon follow Carol II example and seek a royal bride and race to produce a male heir to trump this already conceived first son.  Though having some resemblance to the King, the son strikingly favors his paternal grandfather and his Swabian roots.

 As circumstances changed in Eastern Europe and even a royal wedding would not salvage the Kings position in his country, an incident proved that this first born child was no longer safe in his Mother’s home in Belgium.  The son was brought back to family in the United States, hiding him through an inter family adoption which avoided any court action.  The young child did not speak any English giving concern that he would be difficult to hide which required frequent visits with a “Mrs. B,” the woman who originally recruited Helen, to manage his progress.  Helen would later admit this period of her life represented her darkest years having lost so much.  It turns out, to her wisdom she made sure she would entrust more than one set of photos among her trusted circle to ensure against the erasure of her son’s paternity showing he was conceived in wedlock, in the first marriage.   Of course at that time DNA testing wasn’t even a thought for science fiction.


...has anyone heard of this name?

I was walking yesterday through a bookshop and saw a book by him called "The Lost Queen". I read through it enough to see that he claims to be the son of king Michael of Romania from a prior marriage... that no-one knows about.

I'm surprised such a book was published and I knew nothing of it. No-one bothered to talk about it - not even to deny it.

Searching the Internet, I discovered http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Stanzeleit - Mr. Stanzeleit's Wikipedia page (in Romanian).

There I filled in the blanks. He claims King Michael was married to Nerissa Jane Irene Bowes-Lyon (a niece of the Queen Mother) who - according to him - was shot by the Germans when they realized they couldn't use her to blackmail George VI (with something). Apparently Carol insisted the marriage was kept a secret so that the relations with the Germans weren't ruined.

But the Wikipedia entry also clarifies that Nerissa actually died in 1986 and that she was apparently mentally retarded...? (That's what the Wikipedia page says, is it true? Anyone knows anything about this woman?)

One thing I do remember about the book was that there were some document copies at the end of the book, presumably proving Mr. Stanzeleit's claims.

Obviously the story is a complete fabrication but I can't help but wonder, how the hell did the man come up with it? Why pick an English noblewoman who never went to Romania, when an obscure Romanian girl would have helped his matters more? (had he come up with a story similar to Zizi Lambrino's, it would have been much harder to prove him wrong) How did he get to publish a book about it - who went through all the trouble of faking documents for him? And if he did that, how come I never heard of it until I saw the book in the bookshop?

Anyone know anything about this story?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on December 30, 2009, 12:24:29 AM
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/12/king-mihai-asks-for-morals.html

courtesy hja
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Post by: Marlene on December 31, 2009, 01:33:49 PM


This story is such utter hogwasg.  Michael never left Romania after the start of the second world war until November 1947 when he and his mother were able to attend Elizabeth and Philip's wedding.  The communists had hoped that Michael and Helen would take the bait and not return, but they did - and were largely confined to the palace until December 30, when at gun point, Michael abdicated.  Mother and son went into exile in Switzerland.  He had met Anne of Bourbon Parma at the wedding and the two had fallen in love, and were making plans to marry, which they did in June 1948.   
The Stanzeleit story is intriguing, but a photo would be more believable than any written documentation.  The story I’m familiar with has Michael fathering a Son by a beautiful blond American Woman named “Helen” who after being recruited to wartime Washington DC was moved overseas to Paris at the end of WW II where she worked as a translator primarily of  slavic languages.  Her parents were immigrants, her Mother being Slovakian from Kosice where her parents met, after her Father changed his name to escape collapsing Imperial Russia. 

The Kings son being of Princess Margaritas age was raised for a time in Europe until, for the child’s protection, was raised within his Mother’s family in the US.  After a discreet wedding, a reception, occurred at “Au Mouton de Panurge,” with photographs taken in front of the murals.  The event was witnessed by out of uniform US Military who were in attendance.  As the situation deteriorated in Eastern Europe the King would soon follow Carol II example and seek a royal bride and race to produce a male heir to trump this already conceived first son.  Though having some resemblance to the King, the son strikingly favors his paternal grandfather and his Swabian roots.

 As circumstances changed in Eastern Europe and even a royal wedding would not salvage the Kings position in his country, an incident proved that this first born child was no longer safe in his Mother’s home in Belgium.  The son was brought back to family in the United States, hiding him through an inter family adoption which avoided any court action.  The young child did not speak any English giving concern that he would be difficult to hide which required frequent visits with a “Mrs. B,” the woman who originally recruited Helen, to manage his progress.  Helen would later admit this period of her life represented her darkest years having lost so much.  It turns out, to her wisdom she made sure she would entrust more than one set of photos among her trusted circle to ensure against the erasure of her son’s paternity showing he was conceived in wedlock, in the first marriage.   Of course at that time DNA testing wasn’t even a thought for science fiction.


...has anyone heard of this name?

I was walking yesterday through a bookshop and saw a book by him called "The Lost Queen". I read through it enough to see that he claims to be the son of king Michael of Romania from a prior marriage... that no-one knows about.

I'm surprised such a book was published and I knew nothing of it. No-one bothered to talk about it - not even to deny it.

Searching the Internet, I discovered http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Stanzeleit - Mr. Stanzeleit's Wikipedia page (in Romanian).

There I filled in the blanks. He claims King Michael was married to Nerissa Jane Irene Bowes-Lyon (a niece of the Queen Mother) who - according to him - was shot by the Germans when they realized they couldn't use her to blackmail George VI (with something). Apparently Carol insisted the marriage was kept a secret so that the relations with the Germans weren't ruined.

But the Wikipedia entry also clarifies that Nerissa actually died in 1986 and that she was apparently mentally retarded...? (That's what the Wikipedia page says, is it true? Anyone knows anything about this woman?)

One thing I do remember about the book was that there were some document copies at the end of the book, presumably proving Mr. Stanzeleit's claims.

Obviously the story is a complete fabrication but I can't help but wonder, how the hell did the man come up with it? Why pick an English noblewoman who never went to Romania, when an obscure Romanian girl would have helped his matters more? (had he come up with a story similar to Zizi Lambrino's, it would have been much harder to prove him wrong) How did he get to publish a book about it - who went through all the trouble of faking documents for him? And if he did that, how come I never heard of it until I saw the book in the bookshop?

Anyone know anything about this story?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on January 07, 2010, 10:20:14 AM
Queen Anne of Romania celebrated her 75th birthday yesterday,january 6th.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: allanraymond on January 07, 2010, 10:33:59 AM
She was born on 18 September 1923, so it was unlikely she celebrated her 75th birthday yesterday.

Allan Raymond

Queen Anne of Romania celebrated her 75th birthday yesterday,january 6th.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: allanraymond on January 07, 2010, 06:19:48 PM
Problem solved, I think you meant to say Queen Margarita I of Bulgaria celebrated her 75th birthday yesterday,january 6th?

Allan Raymond

She was born on 18 September 1923, so it was unlikely she celebrated her 75th birthday yesterday.

Allan Raymond

Queen Anne of Romania celebrated her 75th birthday yesterday,january 6th.
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Post by: michaelJen on January 31, 2010, 03:31:13 PM
     Yes Marlene you are correct the official information does back up the dates you quote, and it must feel just like being there. Good work!   I’m a financial investigator not a biographer, this said the information I search tends not to be found in the library.  Helen, the first wife, left an audio/visual confession for her son, that was not to be used before her death; if he chose legal action.  The Son was supposed to be provided for by his father.  The point I make, is that witnesses contradict the assumption that a true travel log for His Majesty was ever made public.  You responded very much in the tenor in which I told Mihai (the son) that Ms. Eilers would respond.

     My most recent interview came through an acquaintance from the Romanian community that allowed for a meeting with a family member that once was in the top level of the Romanian Communist Government.  This person was in the know of  much of His Majesty’s comings and goings at the time.  I was allowed use of one of the sets of wedding photos ,which I shared at the end of the interview.  They were able to identify His Majesty, though not totally surprised, as the King made his movements very secretive.  This person stated the son looks like his father and even more so as he ages.  The person added the likeness to Carol II and to photos of Ferdnand is remarkable, stating he looks like everyone in the royal family, leaving no doubt to them of the Son’s true identity. How I was surprised, was the unprompted information I was given of the personal belongings that followed the king into exile.   I have heard this same story from a retired US military source as well.  In any case, it was expressed that His Majesty, in all his stoicism,  was… and is a master with the press and presents a wonderful face to the world.  Not to judge ones actions, but I’m finding the acorn may not fall far from the tree and Helen (the American wife) was treated as Carol II treated Ms. Lambrino.



 
This story is such utter hogwasg.  Michael never left Romania after the start of the second world war until November 1947 when he and his mother were able to attend Elizabeth and Philip's wedding.  The communists had hoped that Michael and Helen would take the bait and not return, but they did - and were largely confined to the palace until December 30, when at gun point, Michael abdicated.  Mother and son went into exile in Switzerland.  He had met Anne of Bourbon Parma at the wedding and the two had fallen in love, and were making plans to marry, which they did in June 1948.   
The Stanzeleit story is intriguing, but a photo would be more believable than any written documentation.  The story I’m familiar with has Michael fathering a Son by a beautiful blond American Woman named “Helen” who after being recruited to wartime Washington DC was moved overseas to Paris at the end of WW II where she worked as a translator primarily of  slavic languages.  Her parents were immigrants, her Mother being Slovakian from Kosice where her parents met, after her Father changed his name to escape collapsing Imperial Russia. 

The Kings son being of Princess Margaritas age was raised for a time in Europe until, for the child’s protection, was raised within his Mother’s family in the US.  After a discreet wedding, a reception, occurred at “Au Mouton de Panurge,” with photographs taken in front of the murals.  The event was witnessed by out of uniform US Military who were in attendance.  As the situation deteriorated in Eastern Europe the King would soon follow Carol II example and seek a royal bride and race to produce a male heir to trump this already conceived first son.  Though having some resemblance to the King, the son strikingly favors his paternal grandfather and his Swabian roots.

 As circumstances changed in Eastern Europe and even a royal wedding would not salvage the Kings position in his country, an incident proved that this first born child was no longer safe in his Mother’s home in Belgium.  The son was brought back to family in the United States, hiding him through an inter family adoption which avoided any court action.  The young child did not speak any English giving concern that he would be difficult to hide which required frequent visits with a “Mrs. B,” the woman who originally recruited Helen, to manage his progress.  Helen would later admit this period of her life represented her darkest years having lost so much.  It turns out, to her wisdom she made sure she would entrust more than one set of photos among her trusted circle to ensure against the erasure of her son’s paternity showing he was conceived in wedlock, in the first marriage.   Of course at that time DNA testing wasn’t even a thought for science fiction.


...has anyone heard of this name?

I was walking yesterday through a bookshop and saw a book by him called "The Lost Queen". I read through it enough to see that he claims to be the son of king Michael of Romania from a prior marriage... that no-one knows about.

I'm surprised such a book was published and I knew nothing of it. No-one bothered to talk about it - not even to deny it.

Searching the Internet, I discovered http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Stanzeleit - Mr. Stanzeleit's Wikipedia page (in Romanian).

There I filled in the blanks. He claims King Michael was married to Nerissa Jane Irene Bowes-Lyon (a niece of the Queen Mother) who - according to him - was shot by the Germans when they realized they couldn't use her to blackmail George VI (with something). Apparently Carol insisted the marriage was kept a secret so that the relations with the Germans weren't ruined.

But the Wikipedia entry also clarifies that Nerissa actually died in 1986 and that she was apparently mentally retarded...? (That's what the Wikipedia page says, is it true? Anyone knows anything about this woman?)

One thing I do remember about the book was that there were some document copies at the end of the book, presumably proving Mr. Stanzeleit's claims.

Obviously the story is a complete fabrication but I can't help but wonder, how the hell did the man come up with it? Why pick an English noblewoman who never went to Romania, when an obscure Romanian girl would have helped his matters more? (had he come up with a story similar to Zizi Lambrino's, it would have been much harder to prove him wrong) How did he get to publish a book about it - who went through all the trouble of faking documents for him? And if he did that, how come I never heard of it until I saw the book in the bookshop?

Anyone know anything about this story?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on February 05, 2010, 02:09:39 PM


The story is utter nonsense - and has no merit whatsover.  Michael had no real opportunity to meet anyone during the war  -- and was under the watchful eye of his mother - the only person he could trust.    Stick to finances.


     Yes Marlene you are correct the official information does back up the dates you quote, and it must feel just like being there. Good work!   I’m a financial investigator not a biographer, this said the information I search tends not to be found in the library.  Helen, the first wife, left an audio/visual confession for her son, that was not to be used before her death; if he chose legal action.  The Son was supposed to be provided for by his father.  The point I make, is that witnesses contradict the assumption that a true travel log for His Majesty was ever made public.  You responded very much in the tenor in which I told Mihai (the son) that Ms. Eilers would respond.

     My most recent interview came through an acquaintance from the Romanian community that allowed for a meeting with a family member that once was in the top level of the Romanian Communist Government.  This person was in the know of  much of His Majesty’s comings and goings at the time.  I was allowed use of one of the sets of wedding photos ,which I shared at the end of the interview.  They were able to identify His Majesty, though not totally surprised, as the King made his movements very secretive.  This person stated the son looks like his father and even more so as he ages.  The person added the likeness to Carol II and to photos of Ferdnand is remarkable, stating he looks like everyone in the royal family, leaving no doubt to them of the Son’s true identity. How I was surprised, was the unprompted information I was given of the personal belongings that followed the king into exile.   I have heard this same story from a retired US military source as well.  In any case, it was expressed that His Majesty, in all his stoicism,  was… and is a master with the press and presents a wonderful face to the world.  Not to judge ones actions, but I’m finding the acorn may not fall far from the tree and Helen (the American wife) was treated as Carol II treated Ms. Lambrino.



 
This story is such utter hogwasg.  Michael never left Romania after the start of the second world war until November 1947 when he and his mother were able to attend Elizabeth and Philip's wedding.  The communists had hoped that Michael and Helen would take the bait and not return, but they did - and were largely confined to the palace until December 30, when at gun point, Michael abdicated.  Mother and son went into exile in Switzerland.  He had met Anne of Bourbon Parma at the wedding and the two had fallen in love, and were making plans to marry, which they did in June 1948.   
The Stanzeleit story is intriguing, but a photo would be more believable than any written documentation.  The story I’m familiar with has Michael fathering a Son by a beautiful blond American Woman named “Helen” who after being recruited to wartime Washington DC was moved overseas to Paris at the end of WW II where she worked as a translator primarily of  slavic languages.  Her parents were immigrants, her Mother being Slovakian from Kosice where her parents met, after her Father changed his name to escape collapsing Imperial Russia. 

The Kings son being of Princess Margaritas age was raised for a time in Europe until, for the child’s protection, was raised within his Mother’s family in the US.  After a discreet wedding, a reception, occurred at “Au Mouton de Panurge,” with photographs taken in front of the murals.  The event was witnessed by out of uniform US Military who were in attendance.  As the situation deteriorated in Eastern Europe the King would soon follow Carol II example and seek a royal bride and race to produce a male heir to trump this already conceived first son.  Though having some resemblance to the King, the son strikingly favors his paternal grandfather and his Swabian roots.

 As circumstances changed in Eastern Europe and even a royal wedding would not salvage the Kings position in his country, an incident proved that this first born child was no longer safe in his Mother’s home in Belgium.  The son was brought back to family in the United States, hiding him through an inter family adoption which avoided any court action.  The young child did not speak any English giving concern that he would be difficult to hide which required frequent visits with a “Mrs. B,” the woman who originally recruited Helen, to manage his progress.  Helen would later admit this period of her life represented her darkest years having lost so much.  It turns out, to her wisdom she made sure she would entrust more than one set of photos among her trusted circle to ensure against the erasure of her son’s paternity showing he was conceived in wedlock, in the first marriage.   Of course at that time DNA testing wasn’t even a thought for science fiction.


...has anyone heard of this name?

I was walking yesterday through a bookshop and saw a book by him called "The Lost Queen". I read through it enough to see that he claims to be the son of king Michael of Romania from a prior marriage... that no-one knows about.

I'm surprised such a book was published and I knew nothing of it. No-one bothered to talk about it - not even to deny it.

Searching the Internet, I discovered http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Stanzeleit - Mr. Stanzeleit's Wikipedia page (in Romanian).

There I filled in the blanks. He claims King Michael was married to Nerissa Jane Irene Bowes-Lyon (a niece of the Queen Mother) who - according to him - was shot by the Germans when they realized they couldn't use her to blackmail George VI (with something). Apparently Carol insisted the marriage was kept a secret so that the relations with the Germans weren't ruined.

But the Wikipedia entry also clarifies that Nerissa actually died in 1986 and that she was apparently mentally retarded...? (That's what the Wikipedia page says, is it true? Anyone knows anything about this woman?)

One thing I do remember about the book was that there were some document copies at the end of the book, presumably proving Mr. Stanzeleit's claims.

Obviously the story is a complete fabrication but I can't help but wonder, how the hell did the man come up with it? Why pick an English noblewoman who never went to Romania, when an obscure Romanian girl would have helped his matters more? (had he come up with a story similar to Zizi Lambrino's, it would have been much harder to prove him wrong) How did he get to publish a book about it - who went through all the trouble of faking documents for him? And if he did that, how come I never heard of it until I saw the book in the bookshop?

Anyone know anything about this story?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: michaelJen on February 17, 2010, 02:09:03 PM
Marlene your charm is only rivaled by your mastery and use of British vernacular.  It intrigues me that your point of view intonates that the King, as an adult not to mention head of state, would need his mothers permission to associate with anyone.  Insulting to his majesty, though yes I suppose such a dysfunctional family dynamic is possible, however it is now clear you’ve never raised children. I will clarify one point; I said “ at the end of WWII” not “during.”  This would account for two to three years before the engagement to Anne depending on what events one uses as the end. This presents plenty of time for both the relationship and for King Michael to produce his only son Mihai with his American wife before separateing.  I understand that this information does not fit into your timeline, or into the Kings past schedule books which you obviously have in your possession.  However the son was left pictures and video as well as a locket containing a DNA sample.  Karma!?  The opinion in which the son is interested, is that of the court which tends to favor forgotten children.  The evidence already obtained is solid for that purpose; but as far as I can see you’ve offered no new information to help either camp.  I do appreciate those few who have come forward with something to help.  Thank you.  Such a case would only stimulate more interest in biographical writings; even those authored by you.  The only persons who would truly stand to lose would be; the daughters if they choose to present opposition, but most dramatically the planned rise of “Prince” Radu Duda, would be severely stunted, as well as that of any of his perhaps dubious political connections.  Ultimately, we shall see just what does happen particularly if the king refuses and is then required to supply a DNA sample.  The real Prince, who is every bit his father’s son, would rather embrace the King than take him, or the family, to court.  The King will choose the path, but none of this will go away.  So I leave you, Ms. Eilers to your attacks upon me in lieu of imparting new information to any of us, as the job for which I was hired is coming to an end; and yes I’m referring to the one where I stick to finances.  The Prince will be pleased with what we’ve found.


The story is utter nonsense - and has no merit whatsover.  Michael had no real opportunity to meet anyone during the war  -- and was under the watchful eye of his mother - the only person he could trust.    Stick to finances.


Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: kmerov on February 17, 2010, 04:39:08 PM
It does sound like nonsense. And regardless, the "son" would not be a Royal Prince.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Margot on February 17, 2010, 05:13:11 PM
Is this self proclaimed son the one who authored the book Iliyala mentioned earlier? If so, why did Nerissa Bowes-Lyon suddenly become a blonde American called 'Helen.' I am confused! Unless there are two different men claiming to be sons, one born out of a liaison between the King and Nerissa Bowes Lyon and another out of liaison between the King and this 'Helen.' Goodness King Michael was a obviously a very busy Lothario if these stories are separate and not just one story that had to be altered when it was discovered that having chosen an unmarried female of the right age as a mother was plucked from the Bowes Lyon pedigree and whom it then inconveniently transpired, had spent almost her entire life institutionalized! Perhaps then it became necessary to find another mother of a less 'established' background!

This whole things sounds very muddled, dubious and far-fetched to me! Especially with all that nonsense on the Romanian Wikipedia page!

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marc on February 17, 2010, 05:28:58 PM
The real Prince, who is every bit his father’s son,





As Kmerov pointed out...even if there is the proof that he has a son,such offspring could never in those circumstances be considered a Prince!So,maybe such person is a "real Prince" to you,but not in eyes of the entire family law.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on February 18, 2010, 01:52:36 PM

You are a great writer of fiction. World War ended in 1945.  Romania was already in the Soviet sphere, and Michael would not have been able to mix and meet with Americans.  He also lived with his mother - and both were watched very carefully.  A DNA sample left in a locket -- talk about tainting .. the first DNA structures were not known until the 1950s so it is unlikely that anyone would have thought about leaving a DNA sample in a locket in the 40s.  Video also did not exist in the 40s.  Moreover, with all the spies about, there would have been no way for Michael to have married withough anyone noticing .. and even for a king,  a marriage has to be registered.   Michael, knowing what his father did, was unlikely to have repeated the scenario. 
Marlene your charm is only rivaled by your mastery and use of British vernacular.  It intrigues me that your point of view intonates that the King, as an adult not to mention head of state, would need his mothers permission to associate with anyone.  Insulting to his majesty, though yes I suppose such a dysfunctional family dynamic is possible, however it is now clear you’ve never raised children. I will clarify one point; I said “ at the end of WWII” not “during.”  This would account for two to three years before the engagement to Anne depending on what events one uses as the end. This presents plenty of time for both the relationship and for King Michael to produce his only son Mihai with his American wife before separateing.  I understand that this information does not fit into your timeline, or into the Kings past schedule books which you obviously have in your possession.  However the son was left pictures and video as well as a locket containing a DNA sample.  Karma!?  The opinion in which the son is interested, is that of the court which tends to favor forgotten children.  The evidence already obtained is solid for that purpose; but as far as I can see you’ve offered no new information to help either camp.  I do appreciate those few who have come forward with something to help.  Thank you.  Such a case would only stimulate more interest in biographical writings; even those authored by you.  The only persons who would truly stand to lose would be; the daughters if they choose to present opposition, but most dramatically the planned rise of “Prince” Radu Duda, would be severely stunted, as well as that of any of his perhaps dubious political connections.  Ultimately, we shall see just what does happen particularly if the king refuses and is then required to supply a DNA sample.  The real Prince, who is every bit his father’s son, would rather embrace the King than take him, or the family, to court.  The King will choose the path, but none of this will go away.  So I leave you, Ms. Eilers to your attacks upon me in lieu of imparting new information to any of us, as the job for which I was hired is coming to an end; and yes I’m referring to the one where I stick to finances.  The Prince will be pleased with what we’ve found.


The story is utter nonsense - and has no merit whatsover.  Michael had no real opportunity to meet anyone during the war  -- and was under the watchful eye of his mother - the only person he could trust.    Stick to finances.



Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: slavona on May 02, 2010, 06:21:17 AM
I have read a book about some El Greco`s pictures that were taken by Michael in 1947 and left in Zurich. Is anything real about such a fortune?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on May 10, 2010, 01:56:29 AM
Finally!!!Finally Russia acknowledges and honours HM King Mihai,just wonderfull,justice is done:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/05/russia-finally-honours-king-mihai.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 10, 2010, 08:42:34 AM
That is a historical photo and event. The King and Romania should be proud.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on June 01, 2010, 01:40:25 PM
Baby Mihai with his grandfather Ferdinand :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/447524babymihaiferd.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=447524babymihaiferd.jpg)

With his father Carol :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/486903carolmihai.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=486903carolmihai.jpg)

Mihai and his grandmother Marie :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/509924qmkm.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=509924qmkm.jpg)

With his mother Helen :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/168393withbaby.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=168393withbaby.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: miki_nastya on June 01, 2010, 04:22:47 PM
 Very nice family pictures.I never saw that one with Carol.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on June 10, 2010, 03:30:49 AM
TM King Mihai and Queen Anna celebrate their 52nd wedding anniversary today! :)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 23, 2010, 09:51:14 AM
A little late but....


Wedding picture

(http://i49.tinypic.com/10sggax.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 23, 2010, 12:18:41 PM
Thanks. Can you get a bigger version for us. Love to see the detail of their faces, jewels and clothes. Thanks again !  :)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 23, 2010, 12:32:47 PM
here is it

http://i49.tinypic.com/10sggax.jpg
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 23, 2010, 01:03:27 PM
Thanks. I am wondering who was the girl between Queen Frederica of Greece and Princess Nicholas of Greece ? I think the children in front (with the exception of Princess Sofie of Greece (now Queen of Spain)) were those of Princess Sofie of Hannover and her husband Georg (who stood at the back the the photo). I wonder why Marina and Elisabeth weren't there while Olga and their mother Princess Nicholas attended.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 23, 2010, 01:06:56 PM
the boy next to  Little Irene of greece  i think its Welf Hannover. The boy in the right is King Constantine of Greece .About the girl you re asking for, i have no idea, sorry
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 23, 2010, 01:44:34 PM
Maybe a daughter of Sofia's from her earlier marriage to a prince of Hesse. Classisa or Dorathea ?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: royaltybuff on June 23, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
I've seen the girl identified in another thread as Princess Christina of Hesse-Cassel. Don't know if that's correct.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 23, 2010, 03:59:25 PM
Could be since she is the oldest child of Princess Georg (Sofie of Greece) of Hannover.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 04, 2010, 09:08:00 AM
Also from the wedding

(http://i47.tinypic.com/30bk4rr.jpg)

Bigger

http://i47.tinypic.com/30bk4rr.jpg
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 04, 2010, 02:13:29 PM
Who was the woman behind King Michael ?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on July 04, 2010, 03:02:56 PM
Who was the woman behind King Michael ?

By clicking on the link for the larger version can be seen on the French text which states that it's the Princess Sophia of Hanover, sister of Duke d' Edimburg. Before her, and behind Queen Helen of Romania, her daughter Christina of Hesse.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 04, 2010, 03:05:23 PM
I guess it was Christina of Hesse then. Sophie's family is off the radar in terms of photos taken.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: violetta on August 08, 2010, 05:47:23 AM
king mihai,as the heir to the throne,pays official visit to poland,photoes from national digital archives,warsaw,poland

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princemichael1937-05-24-1937-05-25.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princemichael1937.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princemichael193705.jpg)








Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: violetta on August 08, 2010, 08:03:03 AM
and a few more

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princemichael051937.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princemichael2.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princemichael.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 08, 2010, 09:57:22 PM
Is that his palace ? The decorations looked very nice.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: violetta on August 10, 2010, 05:58:10 PM
these are some government palaces in poland where the roumanian prince was received
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 11, 2010, 06:59:49 AM
Thanks. In Warsaw ?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: violetta on August 11, 2010, 07:23:08 PM
yes,this is warsaw
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 11, 2010, 10:16:11 PM
Thanks ! :-)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: violetta on August 21, 2010, 10:34:45 AM
and a few more pictures of prince mihai`s official visit to poland.from polish national digital archives

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princemichael19373.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princemichael19376.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princemichael1937-1.jpg)







 
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 21, 2010, 10:44:18 AM
He looked more relaxed with the ladies.  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: violetta on August 21, 2010, 11:52:08 AM
and more


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princemichael1937-05-24.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princemichaelmay1937.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princemichael19137maj.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princemichaell.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on September 18, 2010, 05:43:57 AM
HM Queen Ana celebrates her 87th birthday today!

http://www.princeradublog.ro/

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 18, 2010, 06:07:05 AM
Long may she live.  ;)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: miki_nastya on September 18, 2010, 02:34:55 PM
Happy Birthday to her Majesty .... La Multi Ani Majestate
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: miki_nastya on October 25, 2010, 02:27:15 PM
 Today is King Michael birthday..he's 89 years old...I wish him a very happy birthday....
      LA MULTI ANI MAJESTATE !!!!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on October 26, 2010, 11:35:34 AM
Today is King Michael birthday..he's 89 years old...I wish him a very happy birthday....
      LA MULTI ANI MAJESTATE !!!!

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/mihai.jpg

courtesy hja :)

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 22, 2010, 01:54:25 PM
From LIFE magazine

(http://img602.imageshack.us/img602/7712/65041423.jpg) (http://img602.imageshack.us/i/65041423.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on December 27, 2010, 05:53:29 AM
The Kings Christmas message:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/12/moving-christmas-message-of-king-mihai.html

Courtesy HJA
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 03, 2011, 06:00:24 PM
Mihai, Anna and the girls. From Life magazine

(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/4/35285314.jpg) (http://img810.imageshack.us/i/35285314.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 05, 2011, 10:55:18 AM
Taken in England ?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on January 08, 2011, 06:51:09 AM
Anne in Sweden, 1950 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/544644582912.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=544644582912.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on January 15, 2011, 06:17:01 AM
Little Mihai walking in park :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/422142mihaiinpark.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=422142mihaiinpark.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 16, 2011, 09:02:50 AM
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/848/dnnn.jpg) (http://img152.imageshack.us/i/dnnn.jpg/)

Is that his collection ?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2011, 01:10:02 PM
Taken in Schloss Sigmaringen in Germany, where his family came from (Missy & Nando were married in the chapel there).
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Princess Ileana on January 16, 2011, 01:40:00 PM
This photo is from the arms room Peles Castle in Sinaia, Romania.


http://www.romturism.ro/detalii.php?din=foto&poz=454
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2011, 01:42:28 PM
Been to Schloss Sigmaringen and they have the same things... :o
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 01, 2011, 08:04:19 AM
Anne

(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5425/reginaanasotialuimihai.jpg) (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/reginaanasotialuimihai.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 15, 2011, 07:43:52 PM
Mihai as a toddler...

(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7996/465322910o.jpg) (http://img716.imageshack.us/i/465322910o.jpg/)

and a bit older

(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4479/465323512o.jpg) (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/465323512o.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 06, 2011, 01:40:25 PM
Mihai and cousin Alexander of Yugoslavia

(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/1558/471439585o.jpg) (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/471439585o.jpg/)

 
Title: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on May 11, 2011, 03:58:17 AM
HM The King has officially broken all ties and titles with the Hohenzollern Sigmaringen hashbash,
and from may 10th 2011 will only be known as the Royal House of Romania.

http://www.bucharestherald.com/dailyevents/41-dailyevents/22094-king=mihai-breaks-dynastic-bond-with-house-of-hohenzollern

Excellent!Let the H-S rattle and ramble what they like,as if they have any importance.... ::)
Defunct and degenerated Household,in contradiction with the Royal House of Romania
that gains in favour and respect in Romania,and well earned.



Title: King Mihai I of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on May 13, 2011, 01:04:33 AM
HM The King has officially broken all ties and titles with the Hohenzollern Sigmaringen hashbash,
and from may 10th 2011 will only be known as the Royal House of Romania.

http://www.bucharestherald.com/dailyevents/41-dailyevents/22094-king=mihai-breaks-dynastic-bond-with-house-of-hohenzollern

Excellent!Let the H-S rattle and ramble what they like,as if they have any importance.... ::)
Defunct and degenerated Household,in contradiction with the Royal House of Romania
that gains in favour and respect in Romania,and well earned.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2011/05/romanian-king-cuts-german-ties.html

courtesy HJA

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Rani on May 13, 2011, 03:55:22 PM
Surprised about that. Were there any conflicts between the families?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on May 13, 2011, 04:42:57 PM
Surprised about that. Were there any conflicts between the families?

Just the bickering of the H-S's branch about titles et all and other stuff not relevant for a defunct
house of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen.HM was probably more then fet up with the whole lot so he,
wisely,broke all ties with the german branch as well as any claims to any of their titles.In accordance
with the initial wish of King FerdinandDefunct,yes,the House of Romania is defunct as well,I know,but
it gains more and more momentum and respect in its own country.Very much so,and on all levels.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: darius on May 14, 2011, 07:00:21 AM
Does this move have any relation to the succession to the Romanian crown?
Title: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on May 14, 2011, 07:36:00 AM
None.Crown Princess Margarita is still that,a Crown Princess and will remain that,albeit of a defunct House,
but still,seldom a defunct House enjoyed so much respect and love by the people.No more backstabbing
backward moves by distant german aquanteces and their no use to anyone stance in anything.Vamos
para siempre!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Rani on May 14, 2011, 11:58:10 AM
Thanks Lucien!

I always liked the house of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen. But not really familiar with the new Prince of HS.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Laura_ on July 12, 2011, 04:56:47 PM


Mihai and his grandmother Marie :
http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/509924qmkm.jpg


Does anyone happen to have a better/larger version of this pic?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 13, 2011, 11:55:27 AM
That is very interesting since King Carol II & Zizi Lambrino's decendents claim to be from the House of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen.
Title: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on September 06, 2011, 01:32:14 AM


http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2011/09/king-mihai-should-address-parliament.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 06, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
That should be good. Is he and Philip the same age ? I think both reached 90.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Rani on October 24, 2011, 11:02:49 AM
^Yes, tomorrow is his 90th birthday. There will be a dinner with many Royal guests

http://www.familiaregala.ro/news/2719/53/His-Majesty-the-King%E2%AD%B3-Ninetieth-Birthday/
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: darius on October 24, 2011, 12:15:46 PM
Shameful and sad that the House of Windsor is not sending representation...
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 24, 2011, 04:00:39 PM
I think Prince Philip must have sent him a telegram. The King & his daughter was invited to Prince William & Kate Middleton's wedding even though he was not a reigning king. He was invited as family I think.
Title: 90th Birthday of HM King Mihai of Romania
Post by: Lucien on October 24, 2011, 11:12:39 PM
^Yes, tomorrow is his 90th birthday. There will be a dinner with many Royal guests

http://www.familiaregala.ro/news/2719/53/His-Majesty-the-King%E2%AD%B3-Ninetieth-Birthday/

Today SM Regele Mihai I celebrates his 90th birthday amidst a glorious outpour of respect and love
for Him and His House.HM will address the Romanian Parliament for the first time since 1947.


Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Laura_ on October 26, 2011, 06:20:03 AM
Queen Ana looks very frail lately :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 26, 2011, 01:33:49 PM
Yes. It is sad since she is such a deligtful personality.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on November 14, 2011, 02:42:06 PM
Little boy :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/796583littlemicha.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=796583littlemicha.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/318809mihailittleboy.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=318809mihailittleboy.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on November 20, 2011, 10:08:26 PM

What a silly thing to say.  I was one of the guests at the celebrations.  All of the royals and other guests stayed at the InterContinental.   The prince of Wales was invited, but decllined.  He had made a private visit to Romania several months earlier and was a guest of the Prince and Princess.  The security would have been a nightmare if the Prince of Wales was also int the hotel.  There was security around the hotel, but it would have been far worse if the Charles had attended. 
Shameful and sad that the House of Windsor is not sending representation...

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 22, 2011, 03:31:08 PM
I agree. I think with the invitation to Wills & Kate's wedding and Charles's property in Romania. The ties between the Royal Houses remained strong at this point. Not quite sure if the affection will be passed on the next generation (Wills, Harry, Beatrice, Louise...etc).
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on February 25, 2012, 08:03:20 AM
Mihai little boy :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/454452Sanstitre.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=454452Sanstitre.png)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/37102092km.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=37102092km.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/287959191484mihai4.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=287959191484mihai4.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/710315kmvr.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=710315kmvr.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/603947190625stejarulregeluimihai1.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=603947190625stejarulregeluimihai1.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/208686rkm.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=208686rkm.jpg)

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on May 20, 2012, 10:14:20 AM
   Re:  King Michael I of Romania:  IMO, he has "carried his years well." People often remark how much he physically resembles Queen Elizabeth II's father, George VI.  This is only natural as they are/were both descended from Queen Victoria. A comment is made from another source to the effect that had he continued to reign (from the time that he first came to the throne, 1927), he would be the longest reigning European monarch, even surpassing France's Louis XIV !
   Additionally, had King Simeon II of Bulgaria (also a cousin of Elizabeth II) continued to reign from 1943, he too, would surpass Queen Elizabeth II's regnal years.
   Both of these (former) monarchs flanked Queen Elizabeth II in the recent Windsor group photo: HM Michael I to her right and HM Simeon II to her left.                                                                                                             Regards,   AP.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Laura_ on May 28, 2012, 04:31:29 AM
Their Royal Highnesses King Michael and Queen Anne of Romania
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGwkcio3nHw

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on May 28, 2012, 06:15:40 AM
Their Royal Highnesses King Michael and Queen Anne of Romania
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGwkcio3nHw



Their Majesties King Michael and Queen Anne have indeed borne up under some difficult years and aged gracefully.    Regards,  AP.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 29, 2012, 10:57:31 PM
They are one of the model couples in the royal circles.  :)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on July 15, 2012, 09:38:11 AM
After the death of King Ferdinand, King Michael accompanied by his mother Princess Helen on the way to the train station Sinaia :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/223064TheKingMichaelaccompaniedbytheMotherPrincessHelenonthewaytothetrainstationSinaia.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=223064TheKingMichaelaccompaniedbytheMotherPrincessHelenonthewaytothetrainstationSinaia.jpg)

King Michael accompanied by his mother Princess Helen leaving the sitting of the Parliament :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/884892HisMajestyKingMichaelaccompaniedbytheMotherPrincessHelenleavingthesittingoftheParliament692x1024.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=884892HisMajestyKingMichaelaccompaniedbytheMotherPrincessHelenleavingthesittingoftheParliament692x1024.jpg)
Title: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 20, 2012, 12:09:41 PM

It is exactly 85 years today that then 5 year old King Mihai was proclaimed King of Romania.

This was commemorated today by TRH Princess Margarita and Prince Radu at the Romanian Atheneum
with the PM and the Government in attendance.A special film on the life of the King was screened and
the National Anthem was sung.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 22, 2012, 03:28:41 PM
I think he is the oldest and most senior royal figure in the chain of royals in Europe.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: ambrana on October 19, 2012, 10:30:21 AM
Likewise important is that the new house rules completely cut the cord with the German branch of the family. They have no succession rights. In the event the Romanian succession ever fell vacant, it was theoretically possible for the German Sigmaringens to advance a claim based upon the agreement between (the future) Carol I and the (then) Romanian government. One suspects that His Majesty KM was determined that no mischief would ever come from the German cousins.

Princess Margareta inherits throne
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In a private ceremony King Mihai I of Romania designated Princess Margareta to be his dynastic successor. Her Royal Highness Margareta is to inherit the Romanian throne and after the King's death she is to become guardian of the Crown. The New Dynasty Status of the Royal Family, which His Majesty signed 6 decades after the Communists had forced him into abdication, makes the throne inheritance clear. Prince Radu of Hohenzollern-Veringen is going to advance in rank to His Royal Highness the Prince of Romania.
In the document by the Royal House there is mentioned: "I, King Mihai I, on behalf of my authority as Head of the Royal House of Romania, obeying my duty to history and to my family's successors, in keeping with the European Union's principles and values that guarantee every person's right to express identity and ideals, by acting as my will pleases, decide that my eldest daughter, Princess Margareta, will be my dynastic successor as Head of the Royal House of Romania after my death."
Throne succession in European style
King Mihai I is demanding the Parliament of Romania to give up the use of the salic law if the Romanian nation and the Parliament find it appropriate to use monarchy as a form of governing. His Majesty has argued that, as token of Romania's EU integration and given the European Convention of Human Rights, the Royal House has modified the principles and use of the salic law that will no longer be applied when decising on succession, for it fits neither the rights in today's Europe nor Romanian society's values.
According to the new Status of the Royal House, the Crown is going to pass to the first male to be born or, in case of no male, to the first female. (...)
The Prince of Romania
Prince Radu has become a Prince of Romania to be called His Royal Highness. Such ranks are granted ad personam and they are not transmisible. The Prince is going to remain a non-dynastic member of the Royal House of Romania. After the King's death, he is to become a Prince of Romania. When Nicolae, the son of Princess Elena, turns 25, he will also become a Royal Highness.
In the Status there is also added that, apart from the King, the Queen, their daughters and the people mentioned elsewhere in the document, there is no other member of the Royal House of Romania. Therefore any addition of new members may emerge only with consent from the Head of the Royal House of Romania.


http://www.ziua.net/display.php?data=2008-01-04&id=231302&kword=king (http://www.ziua.net/display.php?data=2008-01-04&id=231302&kword=king)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on October 27, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
Marlene has some photos from the ceremony renaming a square in Bucharest after King Michael. It's at the intersection of Kiseleff and Strada Ion Mincu street.

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2012/10/bucharest-renames-square-for-king.html

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 28, 2012, 09:30:30 AM
Thanks fopr posting the link. Great pictures.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on December 17, 2012, 09:53:31 PM
Books dealing with Rumania in WW II:
"Third Axis Fourth Ally" Mark Axworthy a excellent book on Rumania in WW II has some information on KM
"The Rumanian Army in WW II" Mark Axworthy
"Rumanian Air force The Prime Decade 1938-1947" Denes Bernad
Rumanian Aces of World War two" Denes Bernad

On line:
The Dutch helmet A site that deals with the rumanian military in WW II
axishistory forum has a section on rumania includes some info and pics of KM
12O'clockhigh.net A WW II aircombat internet site

If you have any questions on Rumania during WW II these are the books to read and sites to go to
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: slavona on January 07, 2013, 12:13:45 PM
The commisee from Sinaia
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/comisiadelasinaia_zps42679890.jpg)

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/IMGP4408_zps8f46b8c4.jpg)

King Michael and Petru Groza
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/mihai1jpgsigroza_zps3e905cc4.jpg)

King Michael at Mitropolie 1945
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/mihailamitroplie1945_zps99330171.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2013, 12:30:56 PM
Love to have King Michael play a more elderly statesman role in Romania. He has seen the country through decades and has more to offer than the other former Balkan rulers and has experience dealing with the people and politicians.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: slavona on January 09, 2013, 05:09:02 AM
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/regelemihai1_zps0ea274ec.jpg)

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/mihai1copil_zps54444230.jpg)

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/mihai1_zpsa0a4d80e.jpg)

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/reginamamamihai_zps05fa69c7.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on February 23, 2013, 07:48:50 AM
Mihai posing with one of her mother's dogs :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/869782mwd.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=869782mwd.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 23, 2013, 01:23:20 PM
Do you have the name of the dogs ?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Laura_ on February 24, 2013, 10:33:40 AM
Two beautiful images of HM the Queen:

(http://s15.postimage.org/e3jxkxxff/Regina_Ana.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)

(http://s18.postimage.org/nho2mphih/reginaana.png) (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 24, 2013, 11:57:25 PM
Charming photos of Queen Anne. Her short autobiography is a must read on personalities on her family.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on April 06, 2013, 07:36:11 AM
Young King  Mihai attending with her mother a street show in 1928 :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/851602201201222036455.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=851602201201222036455.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/975002201201222036458.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=975002201201222036458.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/1833262012012220364512.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=1833262012012220364512.jpg)
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 06, 2013, 12:03:23 PM
The poor boy looked bored...
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TimM on May 01, 2013, 05:38:24 PM
I'm guessing that when King Michael was forced into exile in 1947, he probably thought he'd never set foot in his native land again.   Thankfully, that was not the case.  I wonder how many Monarchs the Communists forced out have gotten the chance to go back to their homelands after Communism was tossed into the gutter of history.  Michael might be the only one to have done so, I mean he was alive when the Communist stole his country, and he lived to see their downfall (one wonders what he was thinking when Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu were dispatched to Hell as a Christmas gift), and he is still living now, part of the time in Romania.

None of the Romanovs that escaped Russia ever got to go back even for a visit, let alone live there (of course, the Communists were in power a lot longer in Russia than they were in Romania). 
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 02, 2013, 08:37:13 AM
The only one who could have gone was Princess Vera Constantinovna, who lived long enough to see the fall of Communism in Russia. She left Russia as a young girl.

Yes, the people remembered "Bread & Michael" very well and loved him mire during the difficult times under the dictators and communists. It is one of his joy to be back to his country and see democracy returned.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Vecchiolarry on May 02, 2013, 09:59:11 AM
Hi,

Simeon of Bulgaria has returned to his country;  and although not former monarchs - Maria Vladimirovna lives in Russia and Alexander of Serbia lives there now.  And Leka of Albania (now deceased) and his son, Leka, are there now;  also, Zog was recently reburied in his homeland.

Larry
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TimM on May 02, 2013, 12:05:26 PM
Quote
Simeon of Bulgaria has returned to his country

***a quick trip to Wikipedia later***

Not only that, he became Prime Minister.  There was a time in my lifetime that would have been unthinkable.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 02, 2013, 06:38:12 PM
Yes. I think Vera left the earliest before 1917. Simeon wasn't even born...
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: newfan on May 02, 2013, 11:16:09 PM
The only one who could have gone was Princess Vera Constantinovna, who lived long enough to see the fall of Communism in Russia. She left Russia as a young girl.

Yes, the people remembered "Bread & Michael" very well and loved him mire during the difficult times under the dictators and communists. It is one of his joy to be back to his country and see democracy returned.
Did she retured for a visit?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 03, 2013, 09:10:15 PM
Don't think so...
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 08, 2013, 11:17:48 AM
Marlene reported on her blog:

"Queen Anne of Romania has been admitted to a Swiss hospital, according to press reports.  King Michael and Crown Princess Margarita chose to remain in Switzerland to celebrate Orthodox Easter because of the Queen's health...The Queen has been in frail health for several years.  Press reports say she entered the hospital because of a sprained ankle.  She will celebrate her 90th birthday on September 18."

Full story:

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 08, 2013, 03:00:22 PM
Will pray for her recovery.  :(
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TimM on May 08, 2013, 05:06:41 PM
I hope she gets better too.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 09, 2013, 08:26:50 AM
She is a great lady. I love her autobiography. Very human.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TimM on May 10, 2013, 12:05:59 PM
She and Michael have sure seen a lot of history.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 12, 2013, 12:03:01 PM
A rare devoted couple that seem to enjoy each other's company.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TimM on May 13, 2013, 12:05:09 PM
Yeah, they've been married over sixty years now.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 13, 2013, 12:24:28 PM
Yes. One of the rare royal to royal marriages that lasts genuinely unlike the Spanish ones...
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marlene on May 16, 2013, 04:36:32 PM
Hi,

Simeon of Bulgaria has returned to his country;  and although not former monarchs - Maria Vladimirovna lives in Russia and Alexander of Serbia lives there now.  And Leka of Albania (now deceased) and his son, Leka, are there now;  also, Zog was recently reburied in his homeland.

Larry

Although Maria and George visit Russia (and George works for a Russian company,) Maria's main residence is in Spain and George lives in Brussels.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 17, 2013, 12:37:50 AM
I do wonder if George has a relationship with his father. Maria had a tiff with her half sister (who has the money from her father Kirby)  and they were not talking. Quite drama in the Romanov family.The Romanian one is comparative tranquil in comparison.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on August 16, 2013, 10:15:34 PM
Princess Irina and her husband were arrested on federal charges in Oregon:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/feds-arrest-several-people-including-romanian-princess-in-alleged-oregon-cockfighting-ring/2013/08/15/2416260c-0612-11e3-bfc5-406b928603b2_story.html
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/08/romanian_princess_oregon_husba.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/08/romanian_princess_charged_in_o.html
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 17, 2013, 03:33:45 AM
Not good news for the King of Romania
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on August 18, 2014, 04:40:41 PM
Another 2 books of interest :
From Barbarossa to Odessa Volumes 1 & 2 by Denes Bernad the air war in the Southern part of the Russian front 22 June-Oct 1941. Has pictures of Michael and accounts of what he was doing during this period visiting units and decorating people. Has a picture of his mother Queen Helen.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marie Valerie on December 05, 2015, 02:25:39 PM
Has anyone of you the Queen Ana book by Prince Radu?
Is it good?
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: miki_nastya on March 02, 2016, 12:37:32 PM
King Michael of Romania has been diagnosed with cancer and he is currently undergoing a complex and demanding treatment. He is suffering from chronic leukemia and epidermoid carcinoma and he has undergone surgery in Switzerland. This has prevented him from appearing in public and he has a released the following statement concerning his illness:
“In recent weeks we have received news of a serious medical diagnosis. This situation comes in the year when family and country are celebrating 150 years since the founding of the dynasty and the modern Romanian state. My daughter Margarita, the Custodian of the Crown, I am sure will find the wisdom and the strength to represent me and to carry out my public duties. I have asked the Royal Council to continu its mission and provide advise to the Custodian of the Crown.
Michael R
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: miki_nastya on August 01, 2016, 10:05:30 AM
Sad news...Queen Anne of Romania died today...she was 92..RIP..
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on March 12, 2017, 09:32:39 AM
The Romanian royals have not been without controversy. Prince Nicholas was offered a place within the royal family and then had a falling out with Radu a short while ago.

I have the impression that Radu wants to be King after his father in law passes. I neither see or want that to happen!
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: DavidH on April 01, 2017, 04:55:56 PM
This is absolute nonsense.
The King made the decision to remove Nicholas from the line of succession. It was nothing to do with Prince Radu or the Crown Princess who had both been incredibly supportive in helping Nicholas develop his role within Romania and learn the language.
Whatever has happened to Nicholas is the result of his OWN actions and activities.
It really is depressing to read your nasty comments about Prince Radu. He is an honest, decent, intelligent, honourable man who makes a huge contribution to Romania and to the royal house. The only 'ambition' he has is to effectively support the Crown Princess in her current and future role - and despite the vindictiveness of people like you - he is doing very well indeed. Long may he continue.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on April 02, 2017, 01:34:26 PM
We will have to agree to disagree on this.

Margarita has two nephews only. If they want to maintain a royal house, one of them will have to become a Prince of Romania. This is because of their house laws.

Who do you suggest to lead the family after the inevitable death of King Michael?

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: DavidH on April 04, 2017, 05:11:33 PM
And based on your extensive knowledge - under which house law does Prince Radu become King??

Trying to get into your mind set (a.k.a. ignorance and irrational prejudice) I suppose the Prince Radu of your "I have the impression" will simply ignore the house laws because as you and the Romanian gutter press appear to believe:-
1. King Michael is an old man and incapable of making decisions. Obviously Prince Radu must be pulling his strings.
2. Crown Princess Margarita is, after all, only a woman. Obviously, she's incapable of making her own decisions. Her husband must be pulling the strings.
3. Prince Radu is a former actor. He was in the Securitate! He's not royal! He's no better than you and me! He's can't be committed to public service via the royal house. He MUST be using his position for political and financial gain.
4. Nicholas Medforth-Mills is stripped of his title by the King for dubious activities and actions in Romania. But, as we all know the King is far too old to be making decisions. It must be the ambitious former actor and Securitate spy, Prince Radu, who, in true tabloid, panto style and consumed with jealousy plotted the downfall of Mr Medforth Mills.

It's sad that such a good and decent man has to put up with this kind of offensive rubbish - and surprising that one of the so-called 'moderators on this board seems to have no qualms in propagating it.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: JGP on April 06, 2017, 01:37:31 AM
And based on your extensive knowledge - under which house law does Prince Radu become King??

Trying to get into your mind set (a.k.a. ignorance and irrational prejudice) I suppose the Prince Radu of your "I have the impression" will simply ignore the house laws because as you and the Romanian gutter press appear to believe:-
1. King Michael is an old man and incapable of making decisions. Obviously Prince Radu must be pulling his strings.
2. Crown Princess Margarita is, after all, only a woman. Obviously, she's incapable of making her own decisions. Her husband must be pulling the strings.
3. Prince Radu is a former actor. He was in the Securitate! He's not royal! He's no better than you and me! He's can't be committed to public service via the royal house. He MUST be using his position for political and financial gain.
4. Nicholas Medforth-Mills is stripped of his title by the King for dubious activities and actions in Romania. But, as we all know the King is far too old to be making decisions. It must be the ambitious former actor and Securitate spy, Prince Radu, who, in true tabloid, panto style and consumed with jealousy plotted the downfall of Mr Medforth Mills.

It's sad that such a good and decent man has to put up with this kind of offensive rubbish - and surprising that one of the so-called 'moderators on this board seems to have no qualms in propagating it.

Your ugly comments directed at Lisa Davidson are extremely offensive to me.  She responded to your posts politely and rationally (as she usually does) and even stated that "we will have to agree to disagree on this".  Calling her ignorant and prejudiced is beyond the pale.  You owe her an apology.  Regards, JGP
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: DavidH on April 06, 2017, 06:05:15 AM
When Lisa Davidson provides one iota of credible evidence to support her offensive comments about Prince Radu - that Nicholas Medforth-Mills 'had a falling out with Prince Radu' and 'Radu wants to be King after his father-in-law passes' then I will most certainly apologise. I suspect I will be waiting a long time - such evidence does not exist.

What does exist is twenty years of hard work and commitment from Prince Radu - to Romania and to the royal house -  of support to the King and to the Crown Princess -  of making a significant contribution to rebuilding the idea of the civil society, of decency, honesty and transparency in public life - all of which deserves to be acknowledged and celebrated.




Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on April 06, 2017, 10:52:44 PM
Let's look at the facts:

1. King Michael, who is elderly and ill with cancer, is the only male dynast currently part of the Romanian Royal Family. He currently spends much of his time in Switzerland due to illness.
2. The only other potential male dynasts, who according to King Michael are the only ones who can succeed their aunt, Margarita, are Nicholas Medforth Mills, formerly Prince of Romania, and his cousin Michael Kreuger.
3. As Michael's designated successor, Margarita is past childbearing age.
4. After her father passes, she will either have to name one of her nephews her successor or allow the dynasty to become extinct.
5. Therefore, in order to survive, this dynasty will have to name one of the two young men heir.

None of the above statements are opinion, they are facts.

Clearly, from 2007 through 2015, according to the family statutes, the heir after Margarita was Nicholas. Again, this is not an opinion.

What was an opinion was when I said "I have the impression that Radu wants to be king". Now this was clearly subjective, and on this point, I told you we would have to agree to disagree.

Also an opinion was that Nicholas had a falling out with Radu. This statement is based on what I have been told by individuals who know all the parties involved. If you choose to not believe me, so be it.

But I see no reason to belabor these points as I have provided what explanations I see fit.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Marc on April 07, 2017, 07:37:19 AM
Sorry for interfering, but I don't think Lisa wanted to offend Radu, but just stated what she thought or might have heard.

The thing that Radu is very active in promoting Romanian royal family is a fact and thumbs up for these actions.

 
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Forum Admin on April 07, 2017, 10:55:34 AM
I will only add that I have known Lisa for over 20 years. She does indeed know individuals involved and reports accurately what she knows from her interactions with those people. She only protects their privacy, as she should, by not dragging them into this.

If you disagree with her statements of fact as she knows it and her opinions on the subject, that is certainly her right but there is no reason to continue to belabor the point.

FA
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: DavidH on April 07, 2017, 04:19:14 PM
The 'point' here Forum Administrator is that Lisa Davidson made offensive and derogatory statements about Prince Radu. She made claims about the actions and activities of the Prince for which she has - and there is - NO evidence. I can also state with complete confidence that Lisa Davidson does NOT know Prince Radu, the Crown Princess or indeed Nicholas Medforth Mills. What she is repeating from her 'interactions' with the 'people involved' is gossip, innuendo and Romanian gutter press speculation.

I believe that to be unacceptable behaviour - particularly from a moderator -and it should be challenged. I would suggest that instead of trying to defend Lisa Davidson's bad behaviour, your time would be better spent re-examining the role of moderators and what - and how -  they post on this site. 

 
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Forum Admin on April 07, 2017, 05:07:34 PM
You are the one who believes Lisa's statements are "derogatory and offensive". That is your belief. I know who she knows and who she doesn't.  As a moderator she has my full support and confidence.  If you don't like this forum or the way I run it you are welcome to leave and take your opinions elsewhere.  Lisa is equally free to express her opinions as you, or anyone else.  Her status as a Mod is irrelevant to that point.

This part of the discussion is now closed. David you will now refrain from any further comment about Lisa and her opinions.  This subject is no longer to be discussed. You are free to discuss the facts and other subjects pertinent to this topic, but if you discuss Lisa's personal statements or her personally, as in who she does or doesn't know, you will be given a "time out".

No further discussion on this please.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: DavidH on April 07, 2017, 06:31:49 PM
"You are the one who believes Lisa's statements are "derogatory and offensive".

If I posted comments in this public forum which claimed that someone is behaving in a dishonest and dishonourable way - then I would expect - when challenged - to be able to back up my comments with FACTS and verifiable evidence. To refuse to do so on the basis of needing to protect 'the privacy of...sources' is both feeble and disingenuous as such a response effectively offers carte blanche for anyone to make any kind of accusation or derogatory statement without the responsibility of backing it up.  That is a very dangerous precedent.

To sully the reputation of anybody on the basis of 'I have the feeling that...' is unacceptable. If you don't understand this - then I'm sorry for you.

Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Forum Admin on April 07, 2017, 08:06:36 PM
David has been given a 30 day "Time Out" from the Forum for not dropping the subject as requested.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on April 08, 2017, 01:45:50 PM
Thank you to our FA for his friendship and support.

I would like to clarify that I have been acquainted with various members of the Royal Family over many years and have nothing but respect for all of them, including Prince Radu. I don't know why DavidH has behaved as he has, but I have tried to explain my reasoning and remarks to the best of my ability.

Above all, I would like this family to endure past the current generation. I just don't know how that will happen given the current circumstances.

I fail to see how saying I think Prince Radu wants to be King is so offensive. He's married to Crown Princess Margarita and if the monarchy is restored, he will be King of Romania if she ascends the throne after her father. Radu has never given me the impression he is anything but completely devoted to the monarchy, King Michael, his wife, and his country.

The foregoing is my opinion, and if you don't agree....well there is no reason to keep this going.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: DavidH on September 30, 2017, 05:40:57 AM
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I fail to see how saying I think Prince Radu wants to be King is so offensive. He's married to Crown Princess Margarita and if the monarchy is restored, he will be King of Romania if she ascends the throne after her father.[/i][/i]

You appear, somehow, to have overlooked the following from the Fundamental Rules of The Royal Family of Romania: The Complete House Statue dated 30.12.07.

Article 2: Titles of members of the Royal House: Point 8
'Where the future Head of the Royal House of Romania is female, her consort shall receive the title of “His Royal Highness The Prince Consort of Romania” (ad personam), and in accordance with Art. 1 (7), a title rank and style which will take precedence over any other title, Romanian or foreign, that he might have, for so long as they remain married and for so long as that the Head of the Royal House of Romania is living or remains Head of the Royal House of Romania.'

Romania is simply following the precedent - of which you also seem curiously unaware - of the Dutch, British and Danish monarchies. The consorts of Queens Wilhelmina, Juliana and Beatrix of the Netherlands did not hold the title of King - nor do the consorts of Queen Elizabeth II and the present Queen of Denmark.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: miki_nastya on November 08, 2017, 07:16:50 AM
Sad news for my country... It seems that King Michael is in a critical condition. He is in his house in Aubonne, Switzerland, surrounded by his family and close friends.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on November 22, 2017, 09:25:25 PM
King Michael's condition is said to have stabilized. Margarita has returned to her home in Bucharest.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: miki_nastya on December 05, 2017, 06:49:29 AM
King Michael of Romania died today at 13 PM in his private residence in Switzerland. Rest in peace Your Majesty
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TimM on December 05, 2017, 11:25:02 AM
RIP King Michael
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on December 06, 2017, 02:10:57 AM
Sad, but he was 96 and had been very ill.

King Michael was a brave and decent man who triumphed over the legacy of his father, Carol II.

Ann
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: DNAgenie on December 06, 2017, 02:42:06 PM
King Michael was a descendant of Tsar Nicholas I and of Queen Victoria from both his paternal and maternal lines, and a descendant of Kaiser Wilhelm I maternally, so he was a typical European monarch.
Title: Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
Post by: TimM on December 06, 2017, 05:12:35 PM
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King Michael was a brave and decent man who triumphed over the legacy of his father, Carol II.

Sadly, his country was taken away from him by Communist thugs just a few years later.  Apparently, the Communists said that, if he refused to abdicate, they would start shooting people.  Michael had no choice but to comply to save lives.

I can't imagine how the poor man felt, watching his people suffer under the yolk of the Ceausescu family. 

Still, Michael did see the end of the Ceausescu horror show, and eventually was welcomed back by Romania.  He didn't regain his throne, but he was very popular there.