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Discussions about the Alexander Palace => The Feodorovski Cathedral & Gorodok => Topic started by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 27, 2004, 09:46:53 AM

Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 27, 2004, 09:46:53 AM
Hello Elisa!
Some of the Village buildings are restored and in use by the Church. Those that look to the Cathedral are in desperate state, There´s nothing inside, not even upper floors, and i saw last summer that Maria and Anastasia´s Hospital´s roof had collapsed(?) since my last visit. It´s too terrible, but ther´re no funds. The cathedral as far as i know is being restored with the private efforts of the twon people and the Church, deserving our greatest praise.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 27, 2004, 03:08:40 PM
Hello Elisa!
Well, you can give them money , i did it, and they will use it for the thing they consider is better, i suppose. May be for the Church or for the restoration. Anyway it will be useful.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Forum Admin on April 27, 2004, 05:31:32 PM
Please be careful about HOW you give money to them. The only way to make sure that your money really gets to the Feodorovski Sobor it to get it directly to them.  If you pass it through a legitimate charity in the USA they will deduct money for their own overhead and expenses and you can't be sure how much the Church will actually receive.

Also, unfortunately there are crooks and thieves who masqurade as 'charities' - from the news we have all heard how they lurk on the Internet waiting to find their next victim. Is the Charity registered nationally and independantly verified as legimate, including 501c(3) status actually granted? "Pending" 501c(3) status can mean that they applied but were denied, and they just keep re-applying and keep getting turned down, thus is always "pending". Only actually granted status as tax deductible means they are subject to IRS scrutiny and review and public accountability of how they spend their money. But even with 501c(3) granted they can spend money on their overhead, decreasing the amount of your gift.

Probably the best thing we could do is try and organize something ourselves here in the forum and have someone we know and trust take it directly to the Feodorovski this summer.  That way, 100% of what is donated gets to the FS. We will donate get things rolling. volunteers?
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: NAAOTMA on May 05, 2004, 11:31:17 PM
I would love to volunteer to help on this project. I don't know if it would be appropriate or not, but I will be in St. Petersburg this summer between 7/27 and 8/1 so if I can be of help in anyway please let me know.

I am also planning on taking flowers to some places. One of the places I would very much like to leave flowers would be at Mr. Kuchumov's gravesite. Could you please let me know which cemetery he is buried in? I just feel I need to do this.

This is going to be a very emotional trip.  Melissa K.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: christine martin on May 08, 2004, 03:11:30 PM
The 'Forum Administrator' is absolutely correct.   It is essential not to send money to Russia.   If you do the recipient is liable to be forced to pay tax of 40% of the donation.

The only way to transfer funds is to do it personally in hard currency directly to the individual or organisation you wish to benefit.

Christine Martin
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: BobAtchison on May 08, 2004, 03:24:34 PM
Thank you for warning everyone!  That tax applied to everyone - there is no tax deduction for charities or churches - unless something has changed.  Is that still true, Christine?

How has the Feodorovski Sobor doing?  How is Father Markel - he has endured so much over these last years... could you give us an update?

Bob
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Christine Martin on May 09, 2004, 01:05:03 PM
Dear Bob

Firstly, I am not aware of any tax exemptions.   Our experiences have proved otherwise - unless there have been recent changes which I would doubt.

Secondly, I have sent some info to the Feodorovsky Sobor site.   Father Markel has not been very well recently.   I will make enquiries regards his health and return as soon as I have news.

Christine.

PS - I am having computer problems - please bear with me.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: BobAtchison on May 19, 2004, 11:22:13 AM
Here's an aerial view of the Gorodok and the Sobor.

Bob

(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/2004aerial.jpg)
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Sarai on May 19, 2004, 01:00:43 PM
Thanks for posting that picture. What is the building in the foreground/bottom of the picture? Was it the girls' hospital? I can't remember exactly what it looked like right now.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: BobAtchison on May 19, 2004, 03:07:48 PM
Yes, that's what it is Sarai - you have good eyes!

Bob
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Scott on May 22, 2004, 11:37:52 PM
The palace is "due left" of the cathedral.

Scott
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Allison on July 15, 2004, 08:18:37 PM
Dear Joanna:  

Your such a dear, thanks for sharing this link with all of us, the photos were great!!  ;D

Allison
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: KayTanaka on August 05, 2004, 02:12:53 AM
Dear Christine,

Thank you for your post and for checking on Father Markel's health.  He has been shouldering such a great responsibility.  Since I last saw him, he has remained so deeply in my heart. I often think of him and the kindness he showed me at the Fyodorovsky Cathedral where he insisted on showing me the unfinished St. Seraphim Crypt.  The magnificent designs which now grace its ceilings were but outlines on paper and Alexandra's chapel just gray walls. When I departed from the Fyodorovsky with Father Alexei to visit the first church in Russia built in honor of the martyred Family, Father Markel gave me a miniature blue porcelain candle holder which I cherish.

In September there is a lovely person I know who will be visiting the Fyodorovsky and I am sure she will ask for Father Markel and then tell us how he is.  But I am hoping that you can tell us sooner.  In the meantime, he is now, as always, in my prayers.

Many Blessings,

Kay
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on August 24, 2004, 08:03:29 AM
Hello Joanna,

Maria´s and Anastasia´s hospital was not painted, it had the grey color of the stone used for the construction. The deacon house is a totally different building. The building in the aerial photograph is Maria´s and Anastasia´s hospital. The perimeter of the gorodok is walled and there were also buildings inside the perimeter. Many colors were used in the gorodok, the overall effect very different from the sad look it has today.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: BobAtchison on August 25, 2004, 09:12:19 AM
Years ago I went through some of the interiors of the the buildings within the Gorodok that had been recently restored and were then being used as offices.  They were cold and empty - rather Soviet feeling.  Then there was talk that the interior pavillions were going to be sold off to rich Russians as villas, but that never happened.  Someday I'll bet the whole complex will be restored.  Right now there is so much money pouring into Russia through high oil prices we can hope the government will have more to allocate to the Gorodok and Cathedral.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on August 25, 2004, 12:50:44 PM
A view with a building inside the gorodok´s courtyard:

(http://img45.exs.cx/img45/415/gorodokcourtyard.jpg)
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Vladimir_V. on October 05, 2004, 08:38:34 AM
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I would love to volunteer to help on this project. I don't know if it would be appropriate or not, but I will be in St. Petersburg this summer between 7/27 and 8/1 so if I can be of help in anyway please let me know.

I am also planning on taking flowers to some places. One of the places I would very much like to leave flowers would be at Mr. Kuchumov's gravesite. Could you please let me know which cemetery he is buried in? I just feel I need to do this.

Melissa K.


Anatolij Mihajlovich Kuchumov and his wife Anna Mihajlovna Kuchumova are buried in Pavlovsk town cemetry.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: BobAtchison on November 07, 2004, 03:38:21 PM
Kuchumov lies very near the parking area.  At first he only had a wooden cross, but Yuri Mudrov, the Director of Pavlovsk and others put enough money together for a permanent marker.  It was rather sad how long the grave went with no marker on it.  His life was so awfyul in the last few years due to bad health, frustration, poverty and lonliness.  I hope someday there can be a monument at the AP (when it's restored) to Kuchumov.  There are others to remember as well and I am not forgeting them.

Bob
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: BobAtchison on November 07, 2004, 03:39:41 PM
It is hard for me to beleive that in 2005 it will have been 12 years since his passing.  It seems like yesterday to me.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: BobAtchison on December 30, 2004, 11:42:52 AM
Joanna - you are AMAZING - what other word can I use - HOW do you find these things!  You are our official AP Web Sleuth!  You always seem to find the best things - and we all really appreciate it

I forwarded your link to several people.

Bob
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Sunny on December 30, 2004, 06:22:54 PM
Joanna, I am in awe.....

Sunny
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Forum Admin on January 16, 2005, 10:33:21 AM
Joanna's link got  me thinking. Since it looks like the Patriarchy is looking to develop the whole gorodok, could one of our Russian users who has been there lately update us on exactly what is happening in the gorodok itself? Like, are there restaurants, shops or offices there now? any restoration work lately? or is it all still empty without floors or walls inside like when Antonio was there?

Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: La_Mashka on May 06, 2005, 04:34:31 PM
Is it open to the public or do you need a special permit to visit ?
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Forum Admin on May 19, 2005, 09:59:07 AM
I finally was able to get some reliable information about the status of the Gorodok from the kind people at the ROST realty group.  The Gorodok is sadly exactly still as when Antonio visited.  The only tenant at all is a small cafe. There is nothing else there, no offices or shops or outstanding leases of any kind.

FA
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: hikaru on July 05, 2005, 01:14:15 AM
Gorodok was like a wonderful toy.
It is made perfectly in Ancient Russian Style.
One part of the building looks as the Kremlin Granovitaya Palata, other part looks like Dimitry Cathedral in Vladimir , the shape of the Gorodok is the
typical Kremlin's shape.
Now the Gorodok has the tragedy's smell.
There is nobody there.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: ChristineM on July 05, 2005, 04:56:21 AM
Hikaru, I know the Gorodok well and when one looks at the plans of the little town which Nicholas planned, the magnificent oil murals painted on its completion, illustrations of it when it was operational, such as feasts in the refectory, it is heartbreaking to see what it has become today.

Father Gennady Zverov made a huge difference when he had the grass replanted and the Yellow Palace, to an extent, restored.   And, of course, the Cossack guard - that was thrilling.   All of them real Cossacks.  

However with the exception of the restaurant in the corner tower, the Gorodok lies abandoned and forlorn.   It is possible to stand in the places where Alexandra and her daughters were photographed and mentally recreate what it once was like.   However, the work required to restore it is daunting.  I have heard there are currently  discussions about doing precisely that - an enormous task which will take many years.   I wish I had the ability post photographs.   I have a series of photographs which cover  a 360 degrees panorama of the Gorodok, all taken from the one spot.

For anyone visiting Tsarskoe Selo (Pushkin) the restaurant in the Gorodok is very nice.   Small, it serves traditional Russian food and if the weather is fine, they set up tables out of doors and one can get a better sense of the Gorodok.   It is not cheap, but neither is it overly expensive.

Father Gennady has been ill.   Would you please keep him in your thoughts and prayers.   Thank you.

tsaria
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: ChristineM on July 05, 2005, 05:02:49 AM
I meant to add, the Feodorovsky Gorodok was only the beginning of what Nicholas proposed for that entire area.  

Of course, war and revolution intervened and these were never achieve.

tsaria
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: hikaru on July 05, 2005, 06:08:17 AM
I suppose that the name of the restaurant is " Belaya Bashnya" - White Tower?
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: ChristineM on July 05, 2005, 11:10:58 AM
I can't recall the name, Hikaru.   It is a tower, but not very white!   It is owned by the same family as own Podvoria at Pavlovsk.

tsaria
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Forum Admin on August 21, 2005, 10:24:58 AM
Helen A has most kindly gone to the Gorodok at my request and has taken complete pictures of the status today. Aside from the restaurant which is over by the hospital the Gorokok still stands in ruins. Nothing there no offices or anything. We will have pictures when she returns home, and I will build a whole new "recent visit" for everyone to see the current status.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 22, 2005, 02:51:46 AM
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I suppose that the name of the restaurant is " Belaya Bashnya" - White Tower?


The restaurant is called "Staraya Bashnya" - "The Ancient Tower".

Yes, at first glance, the whole area does look  abandoned, but besides the restaurant, which is in one of the courtyards, there is aalso a shelter for the poor elderly people inside the complex - inside the Maria/Anastasia hospital actually, which is run by the Feodorovsky Cathedral. The gate is closed off to outsiders, but you can look into the courtyard. Which is what I did yesterday evening, and a lady who works for the shelter asked me what I want. I talked to her for a little while and asked her what is inside some of the other buildings that are part of the complex. She told me that in addition to the rooms for the poor at the former hospital, in the building next to it there are rooms occupied by priests, seminarists - people who work for the cathedral.

There is a path which leads from the hospital to the Alexander Palace, and this is the path that the Grand Duchesses used to walk over to the hospital. You can still see traces of cobblestone along the path, which I suppose is from prerevolutionary times, but now it is mainly earth and mud. This path leads by a small pond, which is now kind of neglected as well. But one can well imagine what all this looked like before the revolution. The other day I saw that one of the old trees fell down and blocked the path, it was some sort of a weeping willow. It blocked off the path half way to the palace, so now you kind of have to walk around it in order to get there...

The Gorodok is not the only place that isfull of ruins - prerevolutionary artifacts that have not been restored - the town has many. The imperial station is another example, which I already mentioned. The Arsenal, the Chinese building and the Llama Pavilion in the Alexander Park are other examples.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 22, 2005, 03:50:39 AM
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Hikaru, I know the Gorodok well and when one looks at the plans of the little town which Nicholas planned, the magnificent oil murals painted on its completion, illustrations of it when it was operational, such as feasts in the refectory, it is heartbreaking to see what it has become today.

Father Gennady Zverov made a huge difference when he had the grass replanted and the Yellow Palace, to an extent, restored.   And, of course, the Cossack guard - that was thrilling.   All of them real Cossacks.  

However with the exception of the restaurant in the corner tower, the Gorodok lies abandoned and forlorn.   It is possible to stand in the places where Alexandra and her daughters were photographed and mentally recreate what it once was like.   However, the work required to restore it is daunting.  I have heard there are currently  discussions about doing precisely that - an enormous task which will take many years.   I wish I had the ability post photographs.   I have a series of photographs which cover  a 360 degrees panorama of the Gorodok, all taken from the one spot.



Yes, it is quite sad to see what's happened to it after seeing the photos and paintings of what it was. But in a way, it is more interesting (for the lack of a better term) than seeing places that have been restored, much more real. You feel the history there so much more. The same is with the imperial train station, which stands in ruins. I don't believe in ghosts, but you definitely feel something in these places, unlike the places that have been "tampered with" and restored.

BTW, there are several paintings hanging at the AP of the Cathedral and the Gorodok, which give a very good idea of what they looked like just prior to WWI. I don't remember seeing them there last year, but they may have been there.

One walking tour guide said to her group (I happened to overhear while I was at the Gorodok): "Feodorovsky Gorodok represents our [Russia's] dreams that were cut short before they had the chance to be fulfilled, but also it represents new hope for the future of Russia."

I truly hope that this hope is fulfilled, although I realize that as a nation, Russia has an extremely difficult road ahead of it and it may take many many years...
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Belochka on August 22, 2005, 07:53:08 AM
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"Feodorovsky Gorodok represents our [Russia's] dreams that were cut short before they had the chance to be fulfilled, but also it represents new hope for the future of Russia."

I truly hope that this hope is fulfilled, although I realize that as a nation, Russia has an extremely difficult road ahead of it and it may take many many years...


Hi Helen,

What a delightful sentiment to hear in passing! Thank you for keeping us informed.

Russia certainly has many difficult roads to travel, but at least Russia is aware that the journey must finally be taken.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 23, 2005, 02:09:57 AM
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Thank you for keeping us informed.
 


You're welcome, it's my pleasure. I am looking forward to sharing with everyone additional things I saw and learned here, soon.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Val289 on August 23, 2005, 09:54:24 AM
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Hi Helen,

What a delightful sentiment to hear in passing! Thank you for keeping us informed.

Russia certainly has many difficult roads to travel, but at least Russia is aware that the journey must finally be taken.



Helen, I must second what Belochka has said.  Thank you very much for keeping us updated, reading your posts really brings the scenes to life.......  I can't wait to see any pictures that you have.  Thanks so much again.

-Val :)
Title: Current Gorodok Photos - A
Post by: Scott on September 24, 2005, 09:36:40 AM
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Title: Current Gorodok Photos - B
Post by: Scott on September 24, 2005, 09:40:47 AM
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Title: Current Gorodok Photos - C
Post by: Scott on September 24, 2005, 09:44:19 AM
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Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Laura Mabee on September 24, 2005, 10:23:48 AM
WOW Scott!
Your pictures are so amazing!
You really should make a travellog!

Thanks so much for contributing so much! :)
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: amelia on September 24, 2005, 12:42:46 PM
Dear Scott,

Thanks againa for these beautiful pictures.

I just would like to know - where you able to walk from AP to the Cathedral and Gorodok, or did you have a guide and a car?The reason I ask is when I was there, the guide did not mention the Gorodok and therefore I did not see it.

Thanks a lot
Amalia
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Scott on September 24, 2005, 04:21:15 PM
Took the train to Tsarskoe Selo and spent two nights at the Ekaterina Hotel in the Catherine Palace complex.  Then I walked everywhere I went.

It's a short walk from the AP to the Sobor and the Gorodok.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: NAAOTMA on September 24, 2005, 09:18:37 PM
Scott, the pictures are WONDERFUL! Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Robert_Hall on January 06, 2006, 08:29:26 AM
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Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Robert_Hall on January 06, 2006, 08:31:27 AM
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Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 07, 2007, 04:56:43 AM
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/i4.jpg)
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The nostlagic glass has taken those interestings and romantics shots on that place,perhaps has it been ever posted before...
http://nostalgicglass.org/display.php?pn=12#

Vassia
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Tatyana on December 24, 2007, 07:08:55 PM
I visited St. Petersburg & environs in September 2007, but have not had time to edit & post any pics until now.
But not for this list, I'm not sure i would have visited Feodorovsky Gorodok, so here are my photos, in appreciation!

I'll be posting my Alexander Palace Park, Catherine Palace Park, Peterhof Palace Park & other relevant pics in the next week.

TATYANA


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Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: NAAOTMA on January 09, 2008, 04:35:08 PM
Thank you for sharing your pictures! I really enjoyed them and thank you for them.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Tatyana on January 10, 2008, 06:01:47 PM
I'm glad you enjoyed them!
Sometime soon, I'll be posting some "off the beaten track" photos from Alexander, Catherine & Peterhof palace parks.

TATYANA
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: mansotogracia on January 10, 2008, 06:59:54 PM
Hi! Thanks for sharing your photos. Although obviously the majority of the place is in ruins it manages to conserve its beauty. From the photos alone, you can sense the religious spirit of Nicholas and Alexandra.

I visit Russia in 2005, but unfortunately, didn't have the oportunity to go there (my guide didn't aknowledge the place as "presentable", and honestly I didn't know how to get there alone), but I did manage to walk for some extent into the Alexander Park. It's a special place.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Nemos on March 26, 2008, 02:34:51 PM
(http://i040.radikal.ru/0803/92/0bd38ff8700bt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i040.radikal.ru/0803/92/0bd38ff8700b.jpg.html)

Не пойму что это фотомонтаж или ...? (Ратная палата).
I shall not understand what is it a photomontage or...? (Military chamber).
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Nemos on June 11, 2008, 07:51:00 AM
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/4935.html

Фото 1942 года. Офицерское собрание конвоя и Испанцы на его фоне.
Photo of 1942. Officer assembly of an escort and Spaniards on its background.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Joanna on June 12, 2008, 07:34:53 PM
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Не пойму что это фотомонтаж или ...? (Ратная палата).
I shall not understand what is it a photomontage or...? (Military chamber).

The Hermitage Amsterdam Museum states that the portrait was by an unknown artist c1915-16. The tower roof does not seem to correlate either to the Military Chamber or Gorodok buildings as there is missing the distinctive curved embrasures. As Nicholas was mostly at Stavka during this time period, I am wondering if the artist completed the figure with sittings by Nicholas possibly at Mogilev (which would have been minimal) and then filled the background with a representative style similar to Goroduk's. The sittings may not have been in Tsarskoe Selo. Another possibility is that the artist never had a sitting with Nicholas. It is curious that the Hermitage does not have in their archives the provenance of this portrait. The St. Petersburg and GARF archives have detailed daily records of the Tsar's appointments. How did it come into their possession? As it represents the Tsar, it may have been acquired for that reason from a pre-revolutionary mansion/studio.
 
Joanna
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Daniel Briere on June 13, 2008, 10:34:59 AM

I agree with Joanna : the building shown does not look like one in the Gorodok area (looks vaguely like the Konvoi's Officer's Mess but it doesn't sem to match either). As for the Hermitage dating it from 1915-16, they’re right insofar as it’s an original. As the Tsar received the St. George’s Cross (4th class) on October 25, 1915 it couldn’t have been made before that, unless it’s an older portait on which they added his new decoration as an update (it was sometimes done).

As Nicholas II can be seen wearing the winter-style « venguerka » (hussar tunic) from his Own Guards’ Hussar Regiment, I can only make 2 hypothesis :

It might have been painted for the Hussars’ Officers’ Mess, showing their Colonel-in-Chief wearing the highest military order (BTW regulations said it was the only order or medal to be worn at all times, on any uniform– even at the Front).

As for the backdrop, the regiment barracks were in the Sofia neighbourhood at Tsarskoe Selo : I haven’t yet had the opportunity of exploring this area of town but I know there was a large drilling field there. In 1908 Makovsky painted a huge portrait of Nicholas II on horseback wearing his full-dress Guard Hussars uniform with the Sofia field and Hussars church and barracks as a backdrop (Tsarskoe-Selo Museum Inv. No. 645-X). Doesn’t look like any building shown on that painting but it could show another one from a different angle (new building perhaps?), or just a fantasy one in the style Nicholas loved so much.

My 2 kopeks worth for it!

Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Nemos on June 13, 2008, 11:58:56 AM
Я говорил о Государевой Ратной палате.
I spoke about Sovereign to Military chamber.

http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom/5823.html
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Daniel Briere on June 13, 2008, 06:04:57 PM
It seems you are right Geglov2-3. Thanks for the nice PC I had never seen before.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Joanna on June 13, 2008, 07:38:13 PM
I too! Thanks Nikolai and my apologies as I thought you were questionning confirmation. The vagaries of translation and then I am off searching/analyzing!

The Military Chamber is a mystery to me. Twice I have attempted to get close. When taking photographs of surround of the Imperial farm building, a dog threatend attack. I still remember being scared silly, shaking, wanting to run, but then my sister started screaming. In Russian! I was stunned, stopped and stared at her, I think my jaw dropped, where did she know in our panic to yell in Russian? It was a nightmare. That dog (think Hound of the Baskervilles!) followed us all around feinting, teeth barred until we reached the lane on the other side when he retreated. Further east along the road in the distance through fields is the Chamber building, huge, abandoned and in our minds hundreds of dogs lurking. It was beyond our courage to try to see it! The same this year. After encountering the dogs at the steps to the entrance of the AP, we admitted we were wimps!

Daniel, further on the artist (I continue veering off on obscure conjectures!), do you think that it is possible to attribute the artist by the style of the portrait? There is a familiarity. I am curious at the lack of documentation. If the portrait was confiscated at the time of the revolution, it may be that it was uncompleted, therefore unsigned, and another artist later added final strokes.

The Feodorovsky Goroduk restoration is progressing. The wall along the lane that runs between it and the Imperial Garage and along Akademichesky is being rebuilt and roofed. The interior courtyard has been transformed with repairs and paint. Some of the towers have also been completed.

Joanna
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Nemos on June 14, 2008, 06:34:14 AM
Мне проще, у меня друг там в охране.
To me is easier, at me the friend there in protection.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Nemos on June 21, 2008, 02:27:04 PM
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/5380.html

Всё больше прихожу к мысли ... когда же так развалили городок.
All I come to an idea more... When so have disorganized small town.

http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/5374.html

Фото весна 1943 деревья Императора перед собором стоят.
The photo spring 1943 trees of Emperor before a cathedral stand.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Joanna on June 30, 2008, 09:31:50 PM
In these photos from the weekend June 29th, you can see the progress of renovations on roofs on the Gorodok buildings:

http://picasaweb.google.ru/Godosha2008/VsvNLB/photo#5214063425855202098
http://picasaweb.google.ru/Godosha2008/VsvNLB/photo#5214064047819134274
http://picasaweb.google.ru/Godosha2008/VsvNLB/photo#5214063364779563602
http://picasaweb.google.ru/Godosha2008/VsvNLB/photo#5214064123893606690
http://picasaweb.google.ru/Godosha2008/VsvNLB/photo#5214048170045734034

Joanna
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Svetabel on July 01, 2008, 12:51:18 AM
In these photos from the weekend June 29th, you can see the progress of renovations on roofs on the Gorodok buildings:

http://picasaweb.google.ru/Godosha2008/VsvNLB/photo#5214063425855202098
http://picasaweb.google.ru/Godosha2008/VsvNLB/photo#5214064047819134274
http://picasaweb.google.ru/Godosha2008/VsvNLB/photo#5214063364779563602
http://picasaweb.google.ru/Godosha2008/VsvNLB/photo#5214064123893606690
http://picasaweb.google.ru/Godosha2008/VsvNLB/photo#5214048170045734034

Joanna

I've been there just a week before,and, yes, the progress of reconstruction is obviously seen but so slow all this...
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Joanna on July 20, 2008, 02:24:39 PM
Further on the Military Chamber that is near to Feodorovsky Gorodok, recent photographs from April 2008:

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/23/murena-v.0/0_d984_e4b2637d_L.jpg
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/18/murena-v.0/0_d979_ce441da0_L.jpg

Amazing ones of close up of entrance:
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/18/murena-v.0/0_d978_9cc70dea_L.jpg
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/18/murena-v.0/0_d977_9fc7840c_L.jpg

Joanna

Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: halen on July 20, 2008, 04:05:09 PM
Hi Joanna. I'm very much enjoying your pictures. Thanks. Would you have any pictures of what the Military Chamber use to look like?

Thanks muchly,

Louise
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Joanna on July 21, 2008, 02:12:28 PM
Hi Louise

First my apologies to the author of the blog, Murena, the owner of the photographs for unintentionally missing referencing source.
Full site:
http://murena.info/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=61
Military Chamber c1915s:
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/23/murena-v.0/0_d92f_9d4ce5fe_L.jpg

Louise, I do have thousands of photos but as yet no time to process through with working on research/translations. When I come across something of interest, I try to link here right away to not forget and would normally highlight individual photos then link to whole site. I like to think I forgot due to rush but I have funny feeling it is from aging!!!

Joanna

Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: halen on July 21, 2008, 02:34:27 PM
Ah yes, the joys of aging...:-)

Thanks a bunch for the sites. I love to look at the before, the after and then the restoration work.

No rush from me regarding your posts. You are doing us a very big favor by posting what you have.

All the best with your work...

Louise
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Cathy on January 05, 2009, 04:06:50 PM
Recent tourists (at least the past 10 years anyway): has anyone ever tried to see the inside of the Gorodok's main building that one can access through the crumbling staircase/entrance. I have been there 3 times and each time I really really wanted to but I 'chickened out' each time!!
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Scott on January 28, 2009, 11:52:49 PM
There are photos posted of the interior of the Gorodok on page three of this thread.  I took these photos in 2005.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Cathy on February 14, 2009, 08:05:58 PM
Thanks Scott - the pictures are great.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: geglov3 on June 18, 2009, 11:01:43 AM
Почти единственное фото Казачьих казарм коноя до 1917 года ... ?
Almost the only photo of Cossack barracks until 1917, Kono ... ?

http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,621/id,6620/
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: newfan on June 18, 2009, 11:11:00 PM
Hi
I just got back from Russia and here are few pics
http://picasaweb.google.com/vfnyc1/FiodorovskyGorodok?authkey=Gv1sRgCPmLoaGbgoOMDQ&feat=directlink
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Joanna on August 21, 2009, 07:31:14 PM
More on descriptions of the Gorodok with two views of Esenin's building which is in scaffold:

http://polinadorofeeva.livejournal.com/12348.html

Joanna
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: tutsi on February 04, 2010, 12:01:31 AM
A view with a building inside the gorodok´s courtyard:

(http://img45.exs.cx/img45/415/gorodokcourtyard.jpg)

It would be lovely and fitting for these beautiful buildings to be restored with gardens and pathways all around,I am planning atrip to russia within the next 18 months so this will me a must to go and visit.

Thank you for starting this thread, and blessings to the lovely and good people who are looking after it.
Title: Feodorovsky Gorodok in 1944 and 1987
Post by: lilianna on July 09, 2010, 04:46:58 PM
Feodorovsky Gorodok in 1944
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2509284096
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2509368681
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2509815463

Feodorovsky Gorodok in 1987
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2100727486
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2100727226
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2100728797
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2100730083
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: lilianna on August 30, 2010, 10:53:32 AM
Music video that was made in 1989, Feodor Cathedral.
Here are just Fedorovskiy Cathedral and the town. Others - actors.

Tanya Bulanova - Tolko ti (Only You) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIsftgw9hQ
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Alan on September 06, 2010, 10:47:19 AM
Can someone please tell me how to get from the Alexander Palace to the Cathedral and Grand Duchees' Hospital and how long it takes?
I was unaware about all this so did not see it recently. Learning a lot from this website.
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Joanna on June 09, 2011, 05:39:27 PM
Memorial plaque to Esenin unveiled October 2010:
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4601/polina-dor.d/0_40f0c_f33ca621_orig.jpg

Esenin lived on the ground floor from April 1916 to March 1917:
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4906/polina-dor.d/0_40f0f_6cc99bed_orig.jpg

Hospital № 17, where he worked as an orderly:
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4511/polina-dor.d/0_40f12_2abae9f5_orig.jpg

Joanna
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Inok Nikolai on June 10, 2012, 10:10:43 AM
Paul Gilbert's latest posting on the fate of the Feodorovsky Gorodok:

Lack of Funds Delays Restoration Work at Feodorovsky Gorodok

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1437811/lack-of-funds-delays-restoration-work-at-feodorovsky-gorodok/
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: EmmyLee on August 06, 2012, 07:08:20 PM
*edited to move my post to another thread*
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Inok Nikolai on August 14, 2013, 03:37:50 PM
Paul Gilbert reports:


Wednesday, 7 August 2013
World War I Museum at Tsarskoye Selo – UPDATE
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1448986/world-war-i-museum-at-tsarskoye-selo-update/
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Inok Nikolai on December 18, 2013, 09:46:50 AM
Paul Gilbert has another update on the planned opening of the WW I Museum.

Plus a photo of the on-going restorations.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1452182/russia-prepares-first-museum-dedicated-to-world-war-i/
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on March 16, 2014, 03:34:16 AM
New Plans for Restoration of the Feodorovsky Gorodok Announced !!

Very interesting information from " Royal Russia " , the Paul Gilbert's blog , with plans and photos :

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1453647/new-plans-for-restoration-of-the-feodorovsky-gorodok-announced/
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on September 12, 2015, 09:15:07 AM
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/12//1509120415065012513576358.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509120415065012513576358.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/12//1509120414395012513576356.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509120414395012513576356.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/12//1509120415105012513576359.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509120415105012513576359.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/12//1509120415315012513576360.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509120415315012513576360.jpg)
Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: Joanna on April 28, 2016, 05:31:39 PM
Fantastic aerial views of the Gorodok with the Cathedral, White Tower and AP:

http://xn----7sbb4bxah.xn--p1ai/slides/08/Vid_na_Fedorovskiy_gorodok_v_Pushkine.jpg

This one shows in the northwest portion the former Imperial garage:

http://xn----7sbb4bxah.xn--p1ai/slides/08/Shema_fedorovskogo_gorodka_v_Pushkine.jpg

And aerials of the projected restoration:

http://www.sklogos.ru/upload/iblock/68e/68e4b74bafbcc8b7d0232863f043bb74.jpg
http://www.sklogos.ru/upload/iblock/00e/00e3b537bbb7e1fa1f7b4b44d7b85489.jpg

Joanna

Title: Re: Feodorovsky Gorodok
Post by: amelia on April 28, 2016, 05:38:27 PM
I hope to see it restored, one day

Eva McDonald