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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Wittlesbachs => Topic started by: cimbrio on May 12, 2005, 10:45:25 AM

Title: Ludwig II
Post by: cimbrio on May 12, 2005, 10:45:25 AM
Ludwig II fascinates me. His life, his death and his surroundings are just...uffff... Well, I'd like to know as much as possible about him, I'm reading a bio in French and..ahem...it's a work in progress :P I'd like tos ee a photo of his lover, Prince Paul von Thurn und Taxis, whose brother married Helene "Nene" of Bavaria, Sissi's sister and Ludwig's cousin once removed. Any pics (I've seen paintings, I'm into the pickies) of Ludwig, Paul, Ludwig's family etc will eb greatly appreciated :)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Agneschen on May 24, 2005, 05:19:30 AM
Hi Cimbrio ! Glad to see that you are interested in King Ludwig II of Bavaria. He is my favourite royal, I find him, his personality, his life so incredibly fascinating. A few pictures :

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/agnessa/LudwigIIBayernalsKind.jpg)
Ludwig as a toddler.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/agnessa/LudwigIIBayern1.jpg)

My favourite pic of Ludwig as a teenager.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: cimbrio on May 25, 2005, 10:42:31 AM
Thanks for the pics A.! I think he was such a handsome guy! I have several pics of him in a bio but don't have a scanner so can't post 'em... however, he seemed to loose that "handsomeness" as he got older... maybe because of his madness? When did he and Paul of T-u-T "break up"?
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: bluetoria on May 25, 2005, 11:52:01 AM
Agneschen, you used to have a beautiful quotation about Ludwig beneath your posts, please could you possibly post it here?  :)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Grand Duke on May 28, 2005, 04:34:56 PM
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Thanks for the pics A.! I think he was such a handsome guy! I have several pics of him in a bio but don't have a scanner so can't post 'em... however, he seemed to loose that "handsomeness" as he got older... maybe because of his madness?

(http://www.koenig-ludwig.org/ludwig_im_wandel_der_zeit/gfx/wandel_images/1867_02_00_jpg.jpg) (http://www.glbtq.com/images/entries/social-sciences/ludwig_ii.jpg)

Madness as a cause of obesity!!! Don't make me laugh.

Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: umigon on June 08, 2005, 10:04:51 AM


I don't see why not  ???
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: cimbrio on June 13, 2005, 02:46:45 AM
Yeah, why not? He certainly looked terrible in his later years, more or less ever since he left Sophia Charlotte and was estranged from the whole Wittelsbach family... If not, can you tell me another reason Grand Duke, you seem to know more than most of us...
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Grand Duke on June 17, 2005, 06:05:26 PM
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I don't see why not  ???


I read somewhere (but I can't find the place) that Ludwig was a glutton and ate many candies and cakes so he became very fat and his teeth got rotten!  :-/

But thinking better, depression makes some people to eat more. I thought that Ludwig ate cakes because he liked them, not because of his depression... I don't think madness is a cause of obesity but depression is.

I withdraw my stupid remark: sorry, everybody!  :-[
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: cimbrio on June 18, 2005, 04:36:36 AM
Don't worry Grand Duke :) keep the posts coming :)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: HerrKaiser on June 20, 2005, 06:22:27 PM
Ludwig in actuality was not obese as a grown man, rather this girth was in total proportion to his height. He was about 6 feet 7 inches, very tall. Further, it is the opinion of many that his appearance was greatly enhanced in his middle age when he added a few pounds to his younger, skinny, tall frame. There are many pics of him dressed in gentleman's clothing of the day walking the streets of Munich and he is most striking, even by today's standards.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Tsarfan on June 20, 2005, 09:48:06 PM
He was reported to be 6'4" at the time of his death . . . certainly quite tall.  6'7" would make him almost a giant.  Contemporaries universally reported him as tall, but I've not seen references indicating him to be of a height almost unheard of in that era.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: bluetoria on June 22, 2005, 06:59:50 AM
A rather macabre pictureof him after his death. He looks tall here!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/bluetoria/ludwig-ii-death.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: koloagirl on June 22, 2005, 04:05:04 PM
 :)

Wow, what a great thread....I always have thought that Ludwig II was really fascinating - the whole Wagner thing, Sissi, etc.!  And the fantasy castles!   :o

He might have been insane but was also something of an eccentric genuis in my mind.

I would really appreciate anyone's suggestions on what is a good biography of him -- I remember having one long ago that was mostly a picture book, but did have a fair amount on his background too.  What I do remember was soo interesting!

Anyone read anything good?  Much appreciated!   :D

Janet R.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: bluetoria on June 22, 2005, 05:01:43 PM
Greg King's brilliant book!  :D
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: koloagirl on June 22, 2005, 09:52:18 PM
 :D :D

Dear Bluetoria:

Wonderful!  Greg King wrote a book on Ludwig II?  I love Mr. King's works!   :D

Do you know the title by chance?   ???

Thanks so much.

Janet R.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: bluetoria on June 23, 2005, 06:32:53 AM
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:D :D

Dear Bluetoria:

Wonderful!  Greg King wrote a book on Ludwig II?  I love Mr. King's works!   :D
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Yes, so do I! His biography of Alexandra totally enthralled me!

I didn't enjoy the Ludwig one so much - but that is perhaps because I didn't find Ludwig quite as interesting as the Romanovs!  :) It is called The Mad King.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: koloagirl on June 24, 2005, 01:07:39 AM
 :)

Dear bluetoria:

"Mad King" - how appropos!   :-X

I agree that despite his craziness and all - he isn't nearly as interesting as our Romanovs!  ;)

But I'll still have to read it!  :)

Thank you!

Janet R.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Tsarfan on June 24, 2005, 12:16:23 PM
I haven't read Greg King's book on Ludwig, but it probably covers the point I'm about to make.

Ludwig II is today revered in Bavaria, mostly because his building sprees established one of the cornerstones of the lucrative Bavarian tourist industry.

However, during his lifeteme his mental instability had some rather different consequences.  Bavaria was the biggest impediment to Prussian aspirations to unite Germany under the Hohenzollerns.  Bismarck dealt with the "Bavarian problem" buy secretly funding Ludwig's mad architectural fantasies, thereby distracting him from political meddling and creating a dependency on Prussian money to bring his building projects to conclusion (although even Prussian money was not enough to bring Hohenchiemsee over the finish line).

Ludwig II wasn't just the colorful distraction he seems today.  He was of real, though unwitting, consequence in subsequent European affairs.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: BobAtchison on July 03, 2005, 06:45:34 PM
Greg's book is great - full of details and fun to read.  You really feel like you are there...
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Silja on July 05, 2005, 09:29:15 AM
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Ludwig II is today revered in Bavaria, mostly because his building sprees established one of the cornerstones of the lucrative Bavarian tourist industry.

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I don't necessarily agree. Ludwig II is very much revered by many in Bavaria - if often in an idealistic and silly way - because to those people the king embodies their spirit of independence and attachment to their country. You would hardly find a similar attachment to the region elsewhere in Germany.
Most Bavarians consider themselves Bavarians first and Germans only second, and with Ludwig II having been the last ruler of an independent Bavaria and having only reluctantly surrendered his country's independence to the creation of a German empire, he forms part of the people's Bavarian identity.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Lucien on December 13, 2005, 05:17:42 AM
King Ludwig II:
http://germanworld.com/ludw.htm
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 02, 2006, 11:19:57 AM
Ludwig II.  (25. August 1845 - 13. June 1886)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Wittelsbach/Koenige%20von%20Bayern/Ludwig%20II%20-%20Koenig%20von%20Bayern/ludwig3.jpg)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Wittelsbach/Koenige%20von%20Bayern/Ludwig%20II%20-%20Koenig%20von%20Bayern/Ludwig.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Wittelsbach/Koenige%20von%20Bayern/Ludwig%20II%20-%20Koenig%20von%20Bayern/majesty1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Wittelsbach/Koenige%20von%20Bayern/Ludwig%20II%20-%20Koenig%20von%20Bayern/Wagner_with_Ludwig_II.jpg)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Wittelsbach/Koenige%20von%20Bayern/Ludwig%20II%20-%20Koenig%20von%20Bayern/neuschwanstein.jpg)
Schloß Neuschwanstein


The End

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Wittelsbach/Koenige%20von%20Bayern/Ludwig%20II%20-%20Koenig%20von%20Bayern/Ludwig-Gudden.jpg)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Wittelsbach/Koenige%20von%20Bayern/Ludwig%20II%20-%20Koenig%20von%20Bayern/Ludwig-II-Kreuz-w050-h050.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 06, 2006, 08:35:04 AM
(http://www.herrenchiemsee.de/bilder/ludwig/ludwig_05_370.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 06, 2006, 09:26:36 AM
(http://www.oppisworld.de/bayern/ludwig04.jpg)

(http://www.isoldes-liebestod.de/extras/LudwigII.jpg)


Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Byron on January 08, 2007, 07:10:11 PM
His signature.
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p166/larsbyron/signatureludwig.gif)


Byron.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Byron on January 09, 2007, 11:54:02 AM


Have any of you read the book by Katerina Von Burg “Windsor Publications” bearing the title “The man and the mystery”.
She actually tries to vindicate King Ludwig for being accused for being mad witch is a noble effort.



Bookcover from the book by Elisabeth Fontaine-Bachclier.
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p166/larsbyron/LudwigIIpic.jpg)



Byron.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Lucien on January 11, 2007, 10:20:24 AM
There already was a Ludwig thread here:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,2927.0.html

 :)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Byron on August 02, 2007, 05:09:36 AM
No more interest in Ludwig, anyone :'(
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Byron on August 02, 2007, 05:55:32 AM
I know ;D
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Byron on August 02, 2007, 06:03:15 AM
I haven't read Greg King's book on Ludwig, but it probably covers the point I'm about to make.

Ludwig II is today revered in Bavaria, mostly because his building sprees established one of the cornerstones of the lucrative Bavarian tourist industry.

However, during his lifeteme his mental instability had some rather different consequences.  Bavaria was the biggest impediment to Prussian aspirations to unite Germany under the Hohenzollerns.  Bismarck dealt with the "Bavarian problem" buy secretly funding Ludwig's mad architectural fantasies, thereby distracting him from political meddling and creating a dependency on Prussian money to bring his building projects to conclusion (although even Prussian money was not enough to bring Hohenchiemsee over the finish line).

Ludwig II wasn't just the colorful distraction he seems today.  He was of real, though unwitting, consequence in subsequent European affairs.

Ludwig II of Bavaria (1845-1886), King of Bavaria (1864-1886)
He was the son of King Maximilian II Joseph and heir to the throne, born on August 25 1845 in Nymphenburg (Munich today). In 1866 Ludwig fought on the Austrian side in the German War against Prussia. One year later he approved an alliance with Prussia. In 1870, upon Bismarck's initiative, he wrote a letter of intent to all German Princes, the so-called "Kaiserbrief" of November 30 1870, that became the basis for the proclamation for the acceptance of King Wilhelm I as Emperor of Germany. In return Bismarck assured Ludwig the financial assistance he so urgently needed, in order to continue with the building of his castles. During the Franco-German War of 1870/71 Ludwig fought on the side of the Germans. Ludwig was a passionate builder and promoter of Richard Wagner, to whom he gifted the Bayreuth Festival Theater. Among others, he built the castles Neuschwanstein, Linderhof and Herrenchiemsee. From 1875 on Ludwig lived completely withdrawn in his various castles and did not appear in public any longer.

On June 9 1886 Ludwig II was declared incompetent based on a medical opinion, after he showed signs of mental illness and because he had ruined the Bavarian State finances with his building fanaticism. On June 10 his uncle, Prince Luitpold, took over the regency. In the evening of June 13 Ludwig drowned in Lake Starnberg near Castle Berg, along with his psychiatrist, Dr. Bernhard von Gudden. To this day the circumstances of their death have not been conclusively determined.

Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: dmitri on August 02, 2007, 06:28:15 AM
There is no evidence whatsoever that Ludwig II was mentally ill. In fact his so-called Doctors never in fact examined him before declaring him incapable of exercising his duties as King of Bavaria due to insanity. The Wittelsbach family were concerned that he was going through their private family finances. He never bankrupted the Bavarian State. He was receiving monies from the Lizard fund set up by Bismarck from the stolen monies from the former Kingdom of Hannover.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: dmitri on August 02, 2007, 06:29:36 AM
Burg didn't need to prove he was not mad as he was perfectly sane.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Byron on August 02, 2007, 11:05:48 AM
Burg is a woman, right.

maybe there is the answer.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Byron on August 02, 2007, 11:11:41 AM
The answer, I think, is to find in this sentence "he had ruined the Bavarian State finances with his building fanaticism" and he did do just that, that is never a popular thing to do with any government.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: dmitri on August 02, 2007, 05:32:40 PM
Where did he ever use Bavarian state money for his buildings? There is no evidence to support this. He used private Wittlesbach monies. They were not the same thing as money from the Bavarian treasury.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: dmitri on August 02, 2007, 05:34:15 PM
What has being a woman got to do with being a historian? There are many female historians who are excellent.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Byron on August 03, 2007, 03:59:39 AM
They just work in a different way than men, therefore they often see things in another light.  ;)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Byron on August 03, 2007, 04:01:52 AM
There are dokuments in the archieves to support that, sorry.  :'(
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: dmitri on August 03, 2007, 09:51:20 AM
I find her books quite good. Have you read the one on Kaiserin Elisabeth his cousin?
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: dmitri on August 04, 2007, 06:19:35 AM
Yes documents related to the Wittlesbach family monies, not the bavarian treasury.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Byron on August 05, 2007, 04:37:53 AM
Look for it and you will find it, it´s all about using your source, I wanted your notion to be true, but it does look a bit bleak. Sorry :'(
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Byron on August 05, 2007, 04:47:06 AM
I have her book on Ludwig, but never read the book on Sissy.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: dmitri on August 05, 2007, 05:41:54 AM
I bought both at Neuschwanstein Castle bookshop. They are difficult to obtain elsewhere.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: dmitri on August 05, 2007, 05:51:30 AM
I have checked countless sources in both English and German and never found any information suggesting that Ludwig bankrupted the Bavarian treasury. In fact he was urged by some to ask the Landtag (the Bavarian Parliament) for a vote of monies from the public purse to cover his debts and he never did. It all came from his private finances and that is what the other Wittlesbachs disliked hence his Uncle Luitpold only being too happy to depose his nephew. This is one of the reasons why Empress Elisabeth loathed him so much. She wrote poetry blaming him for the death of Ludwig. I guess there are some family members who will always commit treasonous acts.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Byron on August 05, 2007, 03:05:20 PM
yes, that´s true.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Byron on August 06, 2007, 05:46:41 AM
I realy ought to go there, it´s my favorite royal´s.  ;)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: dmitri on August 26, 2007, 03:38:56 AM
She writes very well.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Prince_Christopher on September 23, 2007, 09:32:28 AM
I have only recently developed an interest in this royal family. 

In reading, I was surprised to find that Empress Maria Alexandrovna of Russia (wife of Alexander II) had at a point after Ludwig's broken engagement, attempted to marry her only daughter, the Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna (future Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg) to Ludwig.  Apparently, the empress could never get an actual proposal out of Ludwig, although he had drawn up plans for a palace in the Russian style to be a wedding gift for the Grand Duchess.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: dmitri on September 23, 2007, 10:15:04 PM
Maria Alexandrovna gave Ludwig II two beautiful small malachite topped tables as a gift.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Rani on March 08, 2008, 10:54:10 AM
Hello everybody!

I really adore the movie "Ludwig II" by Visconti. Now I wonder how the song at the end of the movie (outro) is named or who the artist/componist is.
Could anyone help?

Thank you


Here a picture of Ludwig and Sophie

(http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/4/3/8/f_promenadelum_beb5a14.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 09, 2008, 06:43:54 AM
Hello everybody!

I really adore the movie "Ludwig II" by Visconti. Now I wonder how the song at the end of the movie (outro) is named or who the artist/componist is.
Could anyone help?

Thank you


Here a picture of Ludwig and Sophie

(http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/4/3/8/f_promenadelum_beb5a14.jpg)

Are you really sure that this is Sophie? I rather think that it's Empress Elisabeth.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 22, 2008, 10:20:27 PM
Ludwig II of Bavaria in his younger years
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9538/ludwigiike2.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 28, 2008, 11:06:07 AM
Ludwig's mother,  Mathilde von Bayern
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4982/mathildevonbayernwk1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Alixz on October 04, 2008, 09:39:30 PM
I just started reading The Swan King - Ludwig II of Bavaria by Christopher McIntosh.

It is not an easy read - Mr. McIntosh is not a great writer.

It appears that Ludwig was too fastidious to have any kind of sexual contact with women.

He was very handsome for his time, but was much more interested in fantasy than reality and would have liked to have lived his life as Lohengrin.

Of course, he adored Richard Wagner and Wagner's music and he funded quite a few of Wager's presentations. 

I am about 1/2 way through the book and so far have not seen any true revelations concerning his sexual preferences.

I find it interesting though that Hitler, too, was a Wagnerian admirer.  Wagner's music must truly stir the German  (or Bavarian or Austrian) soul.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: REMI on October 05, 2008, 02:07:42 AM
Ludwig's mother,  Mathilde von Bayern
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4982/mathildevonbayernwk1.jpg)


Ludwig's mother was called Maria of Prussia, not Mathilde... Mathilde was Ludwig's aunt, married to Ludwig III, Grand Duke of Hesse and the Rhine.

REMI
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: yussupov29 on January 16, 2009, 09:24:13 AM


Hi,

there are so many rumours and conspiracy-theories about the circumstances Ludwig II. died in the Starenberger See.

What do you think about it?


yours jussopov29
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 16, 2009, 09:39:35 AM
Well i've seen the movie, Ludwig II - by Visconti, starring Helmut Berger as King Ludwig II and Romy Schneider as Empress Elisabeth of Austria-Hungary - and that keeps to the official version. Also one of my book stated that shots were heard, and thus it is thought, or guessed should be better, he could have been assassinated too. Yet my opinion is that he just lost it all, as became clear when he got older - and lets not forget, the Wittelsbachs had quite a few members that were a bit odd. Empress Elisabeth of Austria had a strong death-wish and was obsessed with her beauty, and wanted freedom, Archduke Rudolf, Crown Prince of Austria, son of Sisi, also had the wish for freedom and a strong death-wish, much alike is mother. Ludwig's brother went crazy too, to put it like that. Thus I think Ludwig killed himself on purpose, seems to be a plague for the Witlesbachs - the strong death-wish. Anyway, why there are so much conspiracies: Simply because of the shots heared. But I think he just drowned, killing himself on purpose.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: yussupov29 on January 16, 2009, 12:44:47 PM

Well, there are several stories about the shoots. I believe that he drowned by trying to kill himself or escape, too. Still there are some mysterious facts about the death of Dr. von Gudden's death. He was a psychiatrist, who examined the king and looked after him in Schloß Berg where the king was arrested.


It's true, there were other people in the family witn mental disfunction. His younger brother Otto was kept in Fürstenried castle till the end of his life, because he was insane. 
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Greenowl on January 16, 2009, 06:35:17 PM
I think that it will remain impossible to reconstruct what took place on the shore of Lake Starnberg that wet Whit Sunday evening. In my opinion, the most likely scenario is that Ludwig II murdered Dr. Gudden by drowning him in the lake as part of a premeditated plan to escape, but the physical effort proved too much for Ludwig, who duly suffered a heart attack and died.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: yussupov29 on January 17, 2009, 04:15:29 AM


That sounds resonable.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 17, 2009, 08:18:52 AM
Sounds like what could have happened.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: yussupov29 on January 19, 2009, 11:37:46 AM


There were always rumours about gunshots. Some people still think that his family wanted to get rid of the king because he spoilt too much money by constructing new palaces and because he neglected his duties as monarch.
Maybe we will never know the truth...
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Rani on May 09, 2009, 02:20:08 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1065.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 19, 2009, 07:58:06 PM
Ludwig's doll, the other is Sissi

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3419/3369254753_083d8f2fe5_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 13, 2009, 08:06:42 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__6M7uVfewz8/SYcpewd27xI/AAAAAAAAEqs/ZUsrYeEG3XU/s200/Wagner_with_Ludwig_II.jpg)
With Wagner
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 26, 2009, 10:30:40 AM
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CLICK ON IMAGE TO ENLARGE

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Ludwig & Sophie, 1867
(commemorative medal to celebrate either
the engagement or the wedding...
i'm not quite sure which, though.)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_neus-ludwigandsophie-1867.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/neus-ludwigandsophie-1867.jpg)


king Ludwig II, 1867
(commemorative medal...
perhaps to celebrate getting out of his engagement?
although, i believe this one was struck first.)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_neus-ludwig-1867.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/neus-ludwig-1867.jpg)

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Ludwig's mother, queen Marie & prinz Luitpold of Bavaria, 1864
(photo by joseph albert)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_neus-qnmariepcluitpoldvonbayern1-1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/neus-qnmariepcluitpoldvonbayern1-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_neus-qnmariepcluitpoldvonbayern1864.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/neus-qnmariepcluitpoldvonbayern1864.jpg)

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Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 28, 2009, 06:37:49 PM
Wow, new for me....Thank you!
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 05, 2010, 11:52:01 AM
Young Ludwig

(http://i49.tinypic.com/mwfcqf.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: THERRY on July 06, 2010, 02:03:46 AM
Nice Thank You
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 06, 2010, 01:03:34 PM
Young Ludwig with parents and brother
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/BavarianRoyals.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 06, 2010, 01:13:31 PM
Sassy Ludwig

(http://i50.tinypic.com/34g0d1k.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 06, 2010, 01:20:23 PM
I loved that photo! ;-)
Little Ludwig
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/BabyLudwig.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 06, 2010, 01:26:47 PM
i have tons of pictures of Ludwig. He was a fascinating character, thats why i bumped his topic

Young and handsome

(http://i45.tinypic.com/20fw07s.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 06, 2010, 01:43:31 PM
I agree that was very handsome as a young man :-D
Portrait
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/Ludwig.jpg)
Original
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/LII.jpg)
Funeral
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/DeathLud.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 06, 2010, 01:46:33 PM
Ludwig with Brother Otto and Wilhelm Von hesse

(http://i27.tinypic.com/2enna1d.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 08, 2010, 03:26:36 PM
Portraits of Ludwig
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/23456.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/LII-1.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/BavarianKing.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 08, 2010, 03:28:07 PM
More portraits but now younger Ludwig
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/Ludwig_II.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/1864.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/Bavarian.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 08, 2010, 03:28:48 PM
A photo
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/12345.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 08, 2010, 04:07:44 PM
I love this one of Ludwig. It says a lot of him!

(http://i29.tinypic.com/10mlqmu.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 09, 2010, 02:37:14 PM
A portrait
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/Konig.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 10, 2010, 07:20:06 AM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/w09wl.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: THERRY on July 10, 2010, 07:28:29 AM
He is always a surprise to me, even though I know it well enough !
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 12, 2010, 03:22:41 PM
Is he wearing some traditional suit? (bavarian?)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on July 12, 2010, 04:07:23 PM
Attention Replies # 80 and # 82:  He is pictured in the garb of a "Knight of the Royal Order of Saint George" (undoubtedly as Grand Master).  A similiar photo of the "costume" (plumed hat, mantle with ermine-tipped collar, etc.) is shown in plate #149, page 136, "King Ludwig III of Bavaria," in the volume, " The Last Courts of Europe," 1981, ISBN 0-86565-015-2. My understanding is that this Order is still in existence, with HRH Franz, Duke of Bavaria, as Grand Master.   AP
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 14, 2010, 02:25:56 PM
Thanks for the information Aleksandr!!
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: heavensent on September 24, 2010, 03:04:09 AM
Im wondering just where Ludwig  got the money  to build on such a lavish scale.... Neuschwanstein Castle  for eg...
it must have cost millions..  all the opulance and the fabulous artwork  etc....  and all that built on top of a mountain too ?
Was Bavaria  so rich that it could finance this and other building projects of Ludwig ?

Where did  those sources of funding and massive wealth  really come from ?  international trade ?   drugs ? alcohol ?
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Greenowl on September 25, 2010, 12:33:38 PM
Ludwig got some money (in other words, a bribe) from the Prussian Minister President Bismarck when he wrote the so-called Kaiserbrief in December 1870 endorsing the creation of the German Empire. However, Bavaria became pretty bankrupt with all his various building projects. Ironically, Bavaria earns a great deal today in terms of tourist revenues from these castles.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: heavensent on September 25, 2010, 01:15:30 PM
In the end, Ludwig II only lived in Neuschwanstein for a total of 172 days.

Even after his debts had reached 14 million mark, Ludwig insisted on continuation of his architectural projects; he threatened suicide if his creditors seized his palaces.
In early 1886 Ludwig asked his cabinet for a credit of 6 million mark, which was denied.
In April he followed Bismarck's advice to apply for the money to his parliament.

In June, the Bavarian government decided to depose the king, who was living at Neuschwanstein at the time.
On June 9 he was incapacitated, and on June 10 he had the deposition commission arrested in the Gatehouse.
In expectation of the commission he had alarmed the gendarmerie and fire brigades of surrounding places for his protection.
A second commission headed by Bernhard von Gudden arrived on the next day, and the king was forced to leave the palace in the same night.

Ludwig was put under the supervision of von Gudden.
On June 13 both died under mysterious circumstances in the shallow shore water of Lake Starnberg near Castle Berg.

I wonder if the schemeing  Bismark had anything to do with  Ludvig's final end ?
How vindictive of the Bavarian Parlement to vote to depose their King..
Poor Ludwig  suddenly found himself a prisoner in his own Kingdom.... his end followed very swiftly.

Money seems to be at the route of it ... debts etc,  its ironic that  Ludwigs ambitious works... the Palaces, castles etc  should today be a goldmine  for the Bavarian government as the tourist dollars roll in.............  6000  visitors  per day in high summer at  Schloss Neuschwanstein  alone....
thats a lot of Euros  !

I dont believe that Wagner ever stepped foot in  Schloss Neuschwanstein  either  !  and  poor Ludwig dreamed of having him there as an honoured guest  !
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 11, 2010, 08:42:51 AM
Composed portrait showing King Ludwig II and his favorite cousin, the Empress Sissi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/SissiLludwig.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Hector on October 16, 2010, 10:03:26 PM
Considering their mothers are sisters, I've always seen a family resemblance between Grand Duke Ludwig IV of Hesse and King Ludwig II of Bavaria.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/LudwigIVHeRhein.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Ludwig_II_king_of_Bavaria.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Rani on October 17, 2010, 08:45:57 AM
Agrre with you. But Ludwig II. had a more softer face.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Hector on October 17, 2010, 03:49:34 PM
Pictures taken in Munich in 1863 of Ludwig II and Otto with their first cousin, Prince Wilhelm of Hesse (uncle of Empress Alexandra Feodrovna). The cousins were very close as their mothers often meet up in Bavaria with their children.
(http://i25.tinypic.com/2888kg5.jpg)(http://images.zeno.org/Fotografien/I/500-317/PHO00130.jpg)
Prince Wilhelm of Hesse probably has more of a family resemblance to King Ludwig II then his elder brother.
(http://www.hadis.hessen.de/hadis-eLink/HStAD/R%204/24766.JPG)
Title: Sexy Lumberjack
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on October 27, 2010, 12:16:54 PM
The young Ludwig wrote to his former governess that he saw a young man with naked upper body in a sawmill in some Alpine village, who had struck him by his beauty and "heroïc shape"! ("Ein König wird beseitigt: Ludwig II. von Bayern." by Heinz Häfner, page 53.) He really loved his subjects (at least the handsome ones, he had a phobia against ugly people) and was folkloric even in his intimate desires! Gotta love him for that.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: capttrips on January 22, 2011, 11:38:14 PM
Did Ludwig have any children?  Legitimate or otherwise--known or unknown.  Real or legendary?
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: capttrips on January 23, 2011, 01:59:38 AM
Do you think John Dillinger looks like our favourite King Ludwig?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dillinger

I'm not sure if it is Dillinger, or the resemblence, but, It sends shivers up my spine.  Maybe I have just been looking at pictures of nobles for too long, because they are all begining to look alike to me.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 23, 2011, 09:50:26 AM
I cant see the resemblance. Sorry.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: capttrips on January 23, 2011, 10:08:41 AM
Perhaps you will see a resemblence in this picture?

http://home.comcast.net/~mrk80920/site/?/page/August_Carl_Kean

I'm not claiming anything, the resemblence is just spooky if you ask me.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 23, 2011, 07:35:39 PM
Sorry but , no, i dont see the  resemblance. But its a handsome gent!!
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: capttrips on January 24, 2011, 12:53:13 PM
Thank you for looking at the pictures.  I'm a bit relieved that you see no resemblence.  He sure was a handsome gent, and I'm sure he appreciates you saying that (from heaven.)  All of his great grandchildren look like him, except one of us looks exactly like Prince William of England, and no one in my family knows how that happened.

In Neukirchen, Saxony, there is an entire fire department of young men who look like that.  Unfortunetely, we all grow up, and end up looking like Ludwig or Otto when they were lying in state (those two funeral pictures horrify me, because it is like seeing myself dead.)

Were the Wittelsbachs Catholics?  And did Ludwig get his long curley hair from his mother?  Or, was that part of the cosmetics and fashion of the day?
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on January 25, 2011, 01:57:00 AM
Did Ludwig have any children?  Legitimate or otherwise--known or unknown.  Real or legendary?

How could he have legitimate children when he wasn't married? Please do some basic research before you start throwing out wild hypotheses.
I wouldn't be surprised if there even were a few delusional people claiming to be illegitimate descendants of such an enigmatic, yet wholly homosexual character as Ludwig II, but I've never seen any children mentioned.

Were the Wittelsbachs Catholics?

In the 19th century, yes.
Ludwig II's great great grandfather Friedrich Michael, Count Palatine and Duke of Zweibrücken-Birkenfeld, the father of the first King of Bavaria, converted from Protestantism to Catholicism in 1746.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: heavensent on January 25, 2011, 09:39:14 AM
Must say that when I think of a lookalike  to Ludvig ,  I think of his cousin.. Elizabeth !
somehow they look similar... the same  intense, serious look
Were they not soul  mates ?  did nt they love to be in each others company ?

 I feel that when Ludvig was  say  age  20 , he was a sensitive , artistic  young man
 with an ardent  desire to persue art.
( did nt he meet Wagner around the time he was 20  ? )

He seems to have spent his life in artistic  persuits and of course the building of
Schloss Neuschwanstein was his lifes work  .... what an  amazing building and a great legacy to the tortured monarch.

 I feel that without Ludvig the castle would never have been built.
It was money pressures  that sent Ludvig off the rails and his harsh treatment
by the Bavarian government.
Its ironic that the Bavarian government today rake in millions of Euros from tourists who queque
up in their millions each year to visit  Schloss Neuschwanstein
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: capttrips on January 26, 2011, 01:25:11 PM
Fyoder, the most numerous and oldest branch of the Kuhn family probably comes from the Palatine, and later Alcase-Lorraine.  I'm not sure how or if they relate to the Saxon and Thuringian Kuhns, but, Ludwig's family were the Counts and Dukes from where Kuhns are suppossed to have originally settled?  What a very small world.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 27, 2011, 03:26:31 PM
Did Ludwig have any children?  Legitimate or otherwise--known or unknown.  Real or legendary?

How could he have legitimate children when he wasn't married? Please do some basic research before you start throwing out wild hypotheses.
I wouldn't be surprised if there even were a few delusional people claiming to be illegitimate descendants of such an enigmatic, yet wholly homosexual character as Ludwig II, but I've never seen any children mentioned.


Agree!! it's impossible that Ludwig could have any kind of children. He never had any serious relationship with any woman (neither wife nor mistress known), only at the time of his engagement with his cousin Sophie but nothing happened really between them. Nothing about to speculate.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: capttrips on January 28, 2011, 03:45:55 PM
Kaiserin Albeta Sissi,

Is Sissi Ludwig's first half cousin?  How is the relationship of first half cousin possible?

I'm suprised Ludwig is so remembered as a builder.  I prefer to think of him as an inventor, a mad tinkerer.  He had this room full of clocks, and loved machines.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 29, 2011, 09:18:08 AM
They were not cousins of first grade but a bit distant, both were related to king Maximilian I of Bavaria, Sissi was his granddaughter and Ludwig was his great grandson, not of  the same wife.
Their relationship was really close and they spent much time together, it seemed that Sissi was the favorite of Ludwig of his cousins. Both loved poretry and nature those common interests made them closer. His death caused Sissi a lot of pain (plus the other familiar tragedies of the same time).
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 29, 2011, 02:47:00 PM
Young Ludwig
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/LudwigInBayern.jpg)

Courtesy: Hermann Historica
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Terence on March 30, 2011, 08:33:03 PM
Must say that when I think of a lookalike  to Ludvig ,  I think of his cousin.. Elizabeth !
somehow they look similar...

I'd never thought of that, but the last posted picture sure shows the resemblance, IMO.
T
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: capttrips on April 02, 2011, 11:34:23 PM
It is completely impossible, I must be completely insane--I have that sword.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 07, 2011, 08:51:04 AM
i liked this one

(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/522/kgrhqyokose10dv6zbnjhk5.jpg) (http://img855.imageshack.us/i/kgrhqyokose10dv6zbnjhk5.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 07, 2011, 11:02:54 AM
Interesting one... is he representing some teatrical or mithological character?
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 07, 2011, 11:22:28 AM
Look a bit as Lohengrin

Here a caricature of Ludwig as him

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Lohengrin_1885.jpg)
Title: Ludwig II
Post by: Lucien on June 12, 2011, 10:21:28 PM
It is 125 years to the day,june 13th,today that King Ludwig died in the Starnberger See under circumstances still not
clearly solved to this day.Maybe the family archives could shet a better light on what caused his death.....
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Rani on June 13, 2011, 04:29:35 AM
The Wittelsbacher doesn´t want this. I´m sure. I think they are afraid that something will come out. Yesterday came a docu and one Wittelsbach Prince said "it could have been better handled". But not something like "the government broke rules and they are criminals" because they were IMO. The way they overthrowed Ludwig was according to Bavarian law forbidden.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Lucien on June 13, 2011, 09:35:20 AM
The Wittelsbacher doesn´t want this. I´m sure. I think they are afraid that something will come out. Yesterday came a docu and one Wittelsbach Prince said "it could have been better handled". But not something like "the government broke rules and they are criminals" because they were IMO. The way they overthrowed Ludwig was according to Bavarian law forbidden.

It was,as was the families conduct in the overtrow and killing,or murder of Ludwig,if you wish.
Title: König Ludwig II
Post by: Lucien on June 13, 2011, 10:13:02 AM
The Wittelsbacher doesn´t want this. I´m sure. I think they are afraid that something will come out. Yesterday came a docu and one Wittelsbach Prince said "it could have been better handled". But not something like "the government broke rules and they are criminals" because they were IMO. The way they overthrowed Ludwig was according to Bavarian law forbidden.

It was,as was the families conduct in the overtrow and killing,or murder of Ludwig,if you wish.

In German only:

http://www.wdr.de/themen/kultur/stichtag/2011/06/13.jhtml

click on image to enlarge pls.

Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: heavensent on June 13, 2011, 11:06:09 AM
Maybe that  accounts for  the documentaries I saw on German TV yesterday Sunday.
The story of his life  ( was it the Phoenix channel ? )
 I can get many of the German channels  here in the UK  via satellite.
 There was  lots of filming inside the Royal Palaces  esp Schloss Neuschwanstein of course.

 You cant be anything but impressed by the wonderful paintings...  and murals ....
in there.
You d think there d be a site somewhere on the web with   a full photographic record
of the paintings and rooms  in  HQ  so we could get hold of them.

You'd also think that  Ludvig would have set aside a room as a shrine to his great
friend and mentor... Wagner,  with paintings and  sculptures.... but I did nt see anything.

It must have been a great thrill for Ludvig,  to watch his dream take shape over the years...
no doubt he visited Neuschwanstein as the murals were being painted and the rooms decorated.

Sad to think that  in such a short time after Neuschwanstein's completion ... ( 18 months ?)  he was dead !


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Title: König Ludwig II
Post by: Lucien on June 14, 2011, 10:20:36 AM
The Wittelsbacher doesn´t want this. I´m sure. I think they are afraid that something will come out. Yesterday came a docu and one Wittelsbach Prince said "it could have been better handled". But not something like "the government broke rules and they are criminals" because they were IMO. The way they overthrowed Ludwig was according to Bavarian law forbidden.

The Family was present at the Mass,TRH Duke Franz,Duke Max in Bayern,Prince Poldi and Princess Ursula,all,Berg,june 13th:

http://www.br-online.de/bayern/menschen-und-geschichten/koenig-ludwig-ii-gedenkmesse-starnberger-see-ID1307970176085.xml

 :)

Title: König Ludwig II
Post by: Lucien on June 16, 2011, 07:52:46 AM
The Wittelsbacher doesn´t want this. I´m sure. I think they are afraid that something will come out. Yesterday came a docu and one Wittelsbach Prince said "it could have been better handled". But not something like "the government broke rules and they are criminals" because they were IMO. The way they overthrowed Ludwig was according to Bavarian law forbidden.

There was quite a crowd to remember the ""Kini",good:Video of the ceremony at Berg:

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFMediathek/beitrag/video/1359620/Hunderte-erinnern-an-der-Maerchenkoenig



Title: König Ludwig II
Post by: Lucien on June 16, 2011, 10:45:09 AM
The Wittelsbacher doesn´t want this. I´m sure. I think they are afraid that something will come out. Yesterday came a docu and one Wittelsbach Prince said "it could have been better handled". But not something like "the government broke rules and they are criminals" because they were IMO. The way they overthrowed Ludwig was according to Bavarian law forbidden.

There was quite a crowd to remember the ""Kini",good:Video of the ceremony at Berg:

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFMediathek/beitrag/video/1359620/Hunderte-erinnern-an-der-Maerchenkoenig

End of july 2011 Bavaria Film GmbH starts the fim-shoot in Bavaria and Austria of a new,obviously..,movie on the life of Ludwig II
with Sabin Tambrea in the leading role.It wasn't easy to find someone with the late Kings stature,being a tall man at 1.90mtr,
certainly in his day and time. :)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: capttrips on June 23, 2011, 01:16:04 PM
Ah, Ludwig, my favourite king.

I went to all his castles, and he really was a bit nuts.

He had a stone dinner table outside in his gardens.  He had pluming shoot water up his guests' bums as a joke.

And, he had this room full of clocks.  He was really into engineering and mechanics.  And, he was so paranoid, he had a bed he could raise off the floor.  I never got to see that one, so I do not understand if the floor recoiled or if the bed actually rose--in any case, the man was a genius and they really were out to get him.

The question is, Why were they really out to get him?  The most logical two explanations I have ever heard are 1) He was making his family and country poor with his non-strategic castle building and 2) the man was completely depraved in his private time.

As an aside, Was Ludwig the head of some Fraternity called "the Seven Gay and Galloping Chivilric Geese?" or Serindipitous Swans?  I have heard of these kinds of orders, but, by the time real information trickled out about them to an American audience during WWI, they had evidently been debased in to extremely depraved college drinking clubs.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on June 25, 2011, 05:44:28 PM
There is a new book in German on the King: the letters between him and his cousin Prince Wilhelm of Hesse!

Title: schloß Linderhof
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 12, 2011, 02:37:11 AM
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click on image for larger version


schloss Linderhof


the ground floor
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/plans%20ans%20stuff/th_LINDERHOF-Capture78.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/plans%20ans%20stuff/LINDERHOF-Capture78.jpg)


the 1st floor showing both the old bedroom & the new much larger one
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/plans%20ans%20stuff/th_53D22D.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/plans%20ans%20stuff/53D22D.jpg)


cross-sections
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/plans%20ans%20stuff/th_LINDERHOF-mi01942c10a.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/plans%20ans%20stuff/LINDERHOF-mi01942c10a.jpg)

cross-section & facade
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/plans%20ans%20stuff/th_LINDERHOF-cross-sectionfacade3.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/plans%20ans%20stuff/LINDERHOF-cross-sectionfacade3.jpg)

the Grotto
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/plans%20ans%20stuff/th_LINDERHOF-GROTTO.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/plans%20ans%20stuff/LINDERHOF-GROTTO.jpg)

an architect's maquet
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/plans%20ans%20stuff/th_LINDERHOF-modell-Capture4.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/plans%20ans%20stuff/LINDERHOF-modell-Capture4.jpg)


Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: capttrips on August 24, 2011, 02:13:09 AM
Hessians.  Hmm.  I wonder if....  I bet....  That might explain....

In any case, my mind cannot release the possibility Ludwig had a child, or even, lots of them.

I side with the Wittelsbachs: Do not exhume Grandpa--it is disgusting, dishonorable and distasteful to even think of it.  Every nut job on earth would desecrate the body for some reason or another.  I feign to think Great Uncle did wrong: I have a different great uncle, never did wrong in his life--he was just mad as a hatter.

I sat on his peacock throne, I had my diaper changed on his bed, I was thrown out of my castle not for those things--but for crying too loud.  Mom says, I better appreciate it, because it was not money well spent and a long God Damned Walk to nowhere.

That said, cool schematics.  Anyone have the Schematics for Ludwig's three castles--Next time I take a tour, I really want to take a tour, given every nook and cranny and inside passage way like my grandpa gave me at Segovia and El Escorial.

I never felt so at peace as I did in the Spanish Royal Family's Crypt--Perfect Peace, like I should have stayed there, forever (but, their gardens were nicer, and luckily the next part of the tour.)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2011, 02:29:37 PM
This must be an engagement portrait of Ludwig... there's also one of Sophie
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/ludwig.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 25, 2012, 11:01:44 AM
Ludwig and his beloved cousin Sissi
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/ludwigysissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 28, 2012, 02:53:48 PM
Young Ludwig in horseback
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/ludwig-cavallo.jpg)

Source: tuttobaviera
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: heavensent on June 28, 2012, 04:35:14 PM
It must be pretty hectic at  Neuschwanstein  right now... 28th June 2012 ... almost the height of the tourist season.
They have massive queques to get in and see the castle ... and you have to keep moving
 
 I think I read that you are only in there for about an hour and then you are out !

It would be nice to go there, pay your entrance fee and  wander round at will all day long .    
     Of course now  Ludvig's brilliant castle is earning millions for the German State and I dare say the Bavarian authorities in general.
Its ironic that it was those same Bavarian authorities that harrassed Ludvig during
his lifetime, refused to lend more money to him  and  sent him over the edge.

Without King Ludvig  ..... his dreams and romantic visions..... that wonderful castle
wouldn't   even exist.
http://celebheaven.freepowerboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=515

quote
Today, with 1.3 million visitors per year Neuschwanstein is one of the most popular tourist destinations in Europe. For security reasons the palace can only be visited during a 35-minute guided tour.
There are also special guided tours that focus on specific topics.
In the peak season from June until August, Neuschwanstein has up to 6000 visitors per day, and guests without advance reservation may have to wait several hours.
end quote

perhaps today that visitor figure is even higher than 1.3 million  !
correction, you dont even get an hour in there........... its 35 minutes !


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Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: MickyHollywood on November 03, 2013, 09:11:22 AM
Hello king Ludwig II here
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: heavensent on May 19, 2014, 01:45:37 PM
Ive got satelitte  TV  and  some years ago I recorded a short clip onto vid tape
of a  Ludvig 2nd  film being shown on German  TV

The actor playing Ludvig looked perfect for the part.... the  actress playing Sissy was OK
too....  it looked like a brilliant  movie,   awesome  film of the castle and Bavaria in
general ...
  sad thing is I have no idea where to find the film, not even a title  !
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: Превед on May 19, 2014, 03:39:10 PM
Ive got satelitte  TV  and  some years ago I recorded a short clip onto vid tape
of a  Ludvig 2nd  film being shown on German  TV

The actor playing Ludvig looked perfect for the part.... the  actress playing Sissy was OK
too....  it looked like a brilliant  movie,   awesome  film of the castle and Bavaria in
general ...
  sad thing is I have no idea where to find the film, not even a title  !

Here is a list of German films and series about Ludwig II: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Ludwig_II._%28Bayern%29 (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Ludwig_II._%28Bayern%29). Just type these titles with year or leading actor into YouTube and I'm sure you'll find it.
Title: Re: Ludwig II
Post by: heavensent on May 19, 2014, 03:54:43 PM
thanks  for the  link,  it did look like a brilliant  ... German made ?  movie
Title: Ludwig II
Post by: Joshuades on July 24, 2016, 12:18:42 AM
Hello. I was just noticing that the Count bears a striking resemblance to King Ludwig II of Bavaria. Was this intentional, or just a coincidence?