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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna => Topic started by: jfkhaos on October 07, 2004, 07:36:24 PM

Title: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: jfkhaos on October 07, 2004, 07:36:24 PM
Considering the hype that surrounded royal marriages in the 1800s, what kind of jewelry was the Grand Duchess given upon her marriage?  Was Russia the kind of country, given its press, that featured pictures of these gifts in the papers, much like when Princess May of Teck married the Duke of York?  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on October 07, 2004, 09:02:48 PM
I remember reading somewhere (maybe in QV's letters?) that Ella was showered with various jewels when she arrived in St Petersburg. From pouring through old magazines & newspapers of the time there was some illustration of wedding presents, but even though she was a  granddaughter of QV, she wasn't marrying English so it didn't garner the press attention accorded to Princess May. Perhaps in the Russian papers of the day?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 20, 2004, 09:48:06 AM
i had never noticed it before, and i've had this image for years.
but after i scanned it in again, and looked at the enlarged image, i noticed the Romanov Double-Eagle in her veil.
 

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/gddssellaeagleonveil.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on October 20, 2004, 11:34:17 AM
Oh wow, you're right! I've had that image a long time too (one of my favorites as it really captures the delicacy of her profile) and I never noticed it. Quite an artistic little touch.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Martyn on October 20, 2004, 12:53:47 PM
Is it there to secure her veil?  That is a great close-up and really shows the detail of Ella's kokoschnik which seems to be of fabric with soemof her emeralds stitched on.
The curved diamond ornaments on the kokoschnik are very similar to a suite of dress ornaments that had belonged to Empress Catherine - I wonder if they are the same ones?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 20, 2004, 01:13:31 PM
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The curved diamond ornaments on the kokoschnik are very similar to a suite of dress ornaments that had belonged to Empress Catherine - I wonder if they are the same ones?


it's possible.  i keep thinking i've seen them before on one of the long ribbons that grand duchesses wore down the front of their court gowns.   i mean, the ornaments look like decorative buttons, don't they?   and, i think[/i],  when ladies wore a cloth (stiff felt?) kokoshnik, it was pretty common for them to use very grand buttons or button-type pins to decorate them.    it would have been possible for Ella to borrow them from the treasury, wouldn't it?

maybe someone knows for sure?


and yes, i do think it was used as a sort of hat-pin to secure her veil.   but who knows, maybe it was a liitle 'token' given to her by Serge, or her sister or something like that.....
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Dmitry2 on October 21, 2004, 08:29:10 AM
The diamond ornaments on the kokoshnik were included in the 1922 photograph of the Russian Imperial  jewels laid out on a table.  They are on a plaque behind the tiaras.

Now, it could be a similar/identical set.  There were some "Copies" of various jewels.  Both Ella and Xenia had similiar emerald necklaces.  Marie Pavolova the elder had a pearl and diamond long necklace that is very similiar to the one that was included in the Russain Imperial treasury, and so on.

Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Margarita Markovna on September 02, 2005, 08:41:49 PM
Sorry to bring up an old topic, but are there any Russian papers now that were around then? Maybe they would have an archive. I know one of my local papers has archives from the start.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: lancashireladandre on September 17, 2005, 01:45:38 PM
About 10 years ago there were a set/parure of aquamarines and diamonds sold in London by either Sothebys or Christie's,that had belonged to Ella.At least one peice (tiara?)was by Faberge.They had passed via her nephew Louis of Hesse to the vendor.The story of her amazing emeralds is well documented by Hans Nadelhoffer in his authorative book on Cartier (1984).They ended up being scattered in varios new settings after being bought from the last King of Yugoslavia by Van Cleef & Arpels in the late 1940's.Ella sold at least one Diadem via her brother to the German jeweller Koch.This masterpeice with its swinging pearshaped drops was bought by a Wiesbaden based industrialist Wilhelm von Meister for his american wife Leila and is mentioned by her in her memoirs "Gathered Yesterdays".Felix Youssoupoff mentions a great auction at which his mother bought a superb pear pearl as a memento.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: bluetoria on September 17, 2005, 02:23:19 PM
Oh wow!! I wish I had been at Sotheby's 10 years ago...and had a few million to spare!! Do you know who purchased them at that time? (Was that the industrialist you mentioned or was that earlier?) I hope it turns out it was one of my long lost relations & they leave them to me in their will....Oh well, you can always dream, can't you  ::)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: lancashireladandre on September 18, 2005, 07:48:55 AM
Dear Bluetoria. Von Meister bought his wife the diamond tiara in the days before WW1. Between the wars Leila lived in Switzerland then after WW2 she came back to the US ( to Concord,NH. I think). She spoke of difficulties due to the German inflation crisis of the early 20's, so the tiara may no longer have been in HER possession when she moved to New England.Sorry I have no idea who bought the aquamarines....Seem to remember reading somewhere that Ella often wore that colour as it went well with her blonde looks AND set off her emeralds or sapphires to perfection!!!!!
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: bluetoria on September 19, 2005, 05:19:05 AM
Thanks lancashirelad. I wonder what are the chances of the aquamarines appearing one day on ebay!  ;D Yes, I am sure Ella must have been stunning when she wore them.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 24, 2005, 03:23:17 PM
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That's wonderful, thank you!  :) I shall have to look through the pictures now to find one of Ella wearing it! Please do post the pictures of the necklace when you can.  :)



here's the necklace (& bracelet, i believe).    also, as far as i know, there aren't any images of ella actually wearing them.    i hope i'm wrong, though.    it would be wonderful if someone could find one!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/places/ellaHESSEaqua1_1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on October 24, 2005, 05:34:16 PM
We'd posted on a thread somewhere around here that it looked like the tiara was being modelled on the runway as part of a designers' show. It apparently had been lent by the jeweller or buyer who had purchased it after it was auctioned off.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: bluetoria on October 25, 2005, 07:08:27 AM
Oh...modelled in a designer's show!! It should be kept in a glass case like a relic!! I wonder if the present owners ever wear these things...

Thank you so much for posting the pictures!  :)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 26, 2005, 10:10:45 AM
I think it would be impossible to get to see all Ella's jewels. She divided them into piles. 1 to her family in Darmstadt. mostly to be part of her dowery, that she wished to return to her own family. 2. back to the crown. Most likely part of the crown diamonds given to her. 3. to her wards, Dimitri and Marie (son and daughter of Grand Duke Paval). 4. sold to finance the new nunnary.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Empress_Catherine on February 11, 2006, 03:36:33 PM
Hello did Ella leave any Jade rings...and did the rings get transferred to another royal family?
Title: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Lucien on October 18, 2007, 09:37:20 AM
Ursula's exceptionally wonderfull site has an update on Grand Duchess Elisabeth's jewelry.

http://members2.boardhost.com/royal-jewels/msg/1192700755.html

http://www.royal-magazin.de/

Courtesy Ursula's incredible site.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on October 18, 2007, 09:18:00 PM
So much is known about her emeralds, it was nice to see some information on some of her lesser known pieces. Knowing that her collection was so immense, it's a shame there aren't more photos of her in her glory--even the site sometimes contains photos of her not wearing the jewel being discussed--the emeralds definitely seemed to be her favorites. Since much of the jewelry was given away/sold both in 1908 and later by her heirs like Marie, probably little will be found out in the future.  :(
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 19, 2007, 11:59:07 AM
It's constantly frustrating that Ella, who is described as having such a lovely jewelry collection and was known to change outfits/jewels midway through a ball, is hardly ever photographed in them. I would love to see more of not only the collection but how she looked in them. She obviously took pride in them (witness the changing) so I don't think she would've been adverse to be photographed in them.


it's much the same with Mariia Pavlovna (the grand duchess Vladimir), don't you think?    i mean, she had this fabulous collection of jewelry, but she was always photographed wearing the same pieces....but gd dss Vladimir, at least, was photographed more often (it would seem).     it might simply  be due to their respective temperaments -- ie: gd dss Vladimir, while less attractive, was far more self-promoting (in a sense) & Ella was far prettier, and though very aware of her beauty, but was more reserved.

and/or -- both ladies knew where they stood & (to a certain extent) may acted accordingly....meaning:  both ladies were vain, but MP the e, may have felt insecure (re: her looks) & needed "validation";  Ella simply let her looks speak for themselves.

i'm just guessing, though.    :-)
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Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Victor on October 19, 2007, 02:45:07 PM
Very well said brnbg,there may be some truth in your idea.If the Grand Duchess Vladimir was alive I would dare you to see her and call her insecure!I wonder if we would hear from you again?Perhaps from Siberia?Or you might be found unconcious covered with scratches from a tiara!
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 20, 2007, 04:13:22 AM
If the Grand Duchess Vladimir was alive I would dare you to see her and call her insecure!

are you kidding?  insecure or not, she was definately a formidable woman and, i would imagine, very capable of whithering any foe (including ungallant me!) with a steely gaze & a polite smile...   if anyone had ever been foolish enough to say anything like that to her (true or not), i'm positive they never survived the genteel & exquisite distruction she sent their way... ;-P


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Or you might be found unconcious covered with scratches from a tiara!

hmmm....

tiara = blunt instrument? 

i must say, being savaged with a tiara make for a much more entertaining re-telling than, say, simply getting into a fight... don't ya think!    i mean, how many people could say they'd been beaten-up w/ a tiara?   LOL


:-))
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 22, 2007, 12:49:34 AM
I think the Kaubach portrait maybe would be the one that Ella wore her aquramarine tiara. The color portrait does seem to be light blue stones... :)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Mari on October 22, 2007, 03:09:16 AM
Posted by: brnbg aka: liljones1968
Could you rescan a photo of the  little Eagle?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Mari on October 22, 2007, 03:14:04 AM
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had never noticed it before, and i've had this image for years.
but after i scanned it in again, and looked at the enlarged image, i noticed the Romanov Double-Eagle in her veil.
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Could you rescan this Photo... I don't see it? Thank you! 
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 22, 2007, 03:51:31 AM
Was it the jewel of Michen or Ella we are talking about here ?  ???
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 22, 2007, 04:18:15 AM
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had never noticed it before, and i've had this image for years.
but after i scanned it in again, and looked at the enlarged image, i noticed the Romanov Double-Eagle in her veil.
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Could you rescan this Photo... I don't see it? Thank you! 

here you go :-)

click on image for larger version

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-a/gddssellaeagleonveil.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-a/gddssellaeagleonveil.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 22, 2007, 05:03:23 AM
I don't see the Eagle  ?  ??? Can you ?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 22, 2007, 05:25:21 AM
I don't see the Eagle  ?  ??? Can you ?

it's a stick-pin/hair-pin w/ the Romanov double-eagle.   she's using it to help secure the veil.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/ellahairpin.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/ellahairpin.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 22, 2007, 05:28:38 AM
I thought it was a butterfdly in shape, but it can also be a double eagle I guess. too blury to judge... ???
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 22, 2007, 08:05:56 AM
I thought it was a butterfdly in shape, but it can also be a double eagle I guess. too blury to judge... ???


oh, alright.  ;-P


but...

while not ruling-out the possibility it could be a butterfly, which is it more likely to be, a pin w/ the Romanov double-headed eagle or a butterfly?      remember, she is a member of the House of Romanov, she is in court-dress for the Russian imperial court (the double-headed eagle is associated with both) and it was a (relatively) common practice for their heraldic symbol, the Romanov double-headed eagle, to be a motif on items such as cigarette cases, cigarette boxes, rings, cravat/tie-pins, hat-pins, hair-pins etc.      and while butterflies were also a (common?) motif as well, i can't recall ever having seen her depicted w/ butterflies in any form -- be it a piece of jewelry, a figure painted into a portrait with her, or on her clothing as a decoration or in the design on the fabric.     

besides, doesn't it just seem more appropriate that it would be an enamled or jewelled pin with the double-headed eagle of her House and her Home that secures her veil, especiall given that she is in the ceremonial court-dress of the Imperial Court of the Russian Empire?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Martyn on October 22, 2007, 09:31:35 AM
Well it looks like the double-headed eagle to me as well.

Plus far more likely that it should be such an emblematic jewel, worn as part of her court dress.

Considering Brian's knowledge and his extremely keen interest in jewellery, I am slightly mystified as to why anyone should wish to question his judgement........
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 22, 2007, 11:41:46 AM
Well it looks like the double-headed eagle to me as well.

Plus far more likely that it should be such an emblematic jewel, worn as part of her court dress.

Considering Brian's knowledge and his extremely keen interest in jewellery, I am slightly mystified as to why anyone should wish to question his judgement........


LOL!   

thank you for that  ;-)   

but, who knows?   it could be a butterfly.      it could be.     





but it's not.             




**wink**  :-)


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Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: ashanti01 on October 22, 2007, 01:09:54 PM
That also looks like a double headed eagle to me... ;)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 22, 2007, 02:15:34 PM
And me. I don't know what Erics on. ;)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 22, 2007, 10:26:17 PM
Please leave personal attacks out of it !  >:(

Back to the point that has anyone see the actual double eagle hair pin , a photo of it or a sketch from a jeweler ? We do live by proof and not on faith aline.  ::)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 23, 2007, 01:52:52 AM
Please leave personal attacks out of it !  >:(

Back to the point that has anyone see the actual double eagle hair pin , a photo of it or a sketch from a jeweler ? We do live by proof and not on faith aline.  ::)



you are, indeed, correct.   i don't have proof.   

and it's very unlikely i ever will.


Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Martyn on October 23, 2007, 07:22:57 AM
Please leave personal attacks out of it !  >:(

Back to the point that has anyone see the actual double eagle hair pin , a photo of it or a sketch from a jeweler ? We do live by proof and not on faith aline.  ::)



you are, indeed, correct.   i don't have proof.   

and it's very unlikely i ever will.




In the absence of  proof a consensus of opinion, based on knowldege and expertise,  is usually a good way to proceed.......that's what we have here.

So Brian, much as we appreciate your modesty, we also appreciate your knowledge and the trouble that you take to provide images and discussions of merit.........
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 23, 2007, 07:48:29 AM
Doesn't it really matter, it a pin?! I think it looks like a imperial eagle with a fat jeweled head.


more pics of Ella's jewerly? please! :D
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 23, 2007, 09:23:35 PM
I agree. However in absence of proof, people are allowed to doubt. I think it might well be the double eagle hair pin, but if people are to doubt based on wanting of proof. they should not be ridicued (which is happening here). One of my royalty friends always question my information, where did you see it ? Who said that ? Where was it published ? At first I found it annoying, but later I found merit in what he said. Anyway thanks for sharing yje information. I always wanted to see more examples of Ella's supposed "superb" jewelry collection.  ;)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 24, 2007, 10:39:51 AM
I agree. However in absence of proof, people are allowed to doubt. I think it might well be the double eagle hair pin, but if people are to doubt based on wanting of proof. they should not be ridicued (which is happening here). One of my royalty friends always question my information, where did you see it ? Who said that ? Where was it published ? At first I found it annoying, but later I found merit in what he said. Anyway thanks for sharing yje information. I always wanted to see more examples of Ella's supposed "superb" jewelry collection.  ;)


that is true, of course.   

and i do want to apologize for the rather (and obviously) patronizing aspects in my response to your "butterfly" post.      with hindsight, i realize i was being amazing insecure and looking for a more definate validation of my point-of-view, and i don't know why.    but, once again, i offer my apologies.




Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 24, 2007, 10:47:20 AM
One of my royalty friends always question my information, where did you see it ? Who said that ? Where was it published ? At first I found it annoying, but later I found merit in what he said..  ;)

Thank you for reffering to me as a friend Eric, veyr kind of you! I only do it to make sure you are accurate! :)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 24, 2007, 08:46:24 PM
I was referring to another friend... ???

Back to Ella's jewels ?  ;)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 25, 2007, 07:18:37 AM
Who? me, you souldn't have!  ::) :-* ;) lol, just kidding.

Yeah, back to Ella's jewerly, PLEASE :D

More more pics!!! :D :D
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 25, 2007, 09:16:40 PM
I wonder if more of those exist...?  ???
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 29, 2007, 03:32:25 PM

click on image for larger version

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/ella6.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/ella6.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2007, 08:14:58 PM
back to the emeralds.  :)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 29, 2007, 09:13:32 PM
back to the emeralds.  :)

is that good, or bad?   


(if i'm getting repetitious, i'll kill the link.)


Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Svetabel on October 30, 2007, 01:54:53 AM
back to the emeralds.  :)

is that good, or bad?   


(if i'm getting repetitious, i'll kill the link.)



Brian, please, keep posting.  :)
Sometimes some replies on our posts mean nothing.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2007, 02:09:18 AM
No I mean it would be nice to see some other stuff OTHER than the famed emeralds. Any info is welcome.  :)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Mari on October 30, 2007, 02:36:30 AM
Brian:
Your Photo's are amazing. I was looking at Ella's jeweled appearance and wondering if She ever missed that life?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2007, 02:58:20 AM
Sometimes....She retains appartments to the Governor's palace and used it sometimes...
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 30, 2007, 03:19:52 AM
Sometimes....She retains appartments to the Governor's palace and used it sometimes...


how (and why) would she still have any "right" to continue to stay there?   she no longer had any links w/ the post of governor-general?   

ie: after JFK was assasinated here in the USA, his widow, Jaqueline Kennedy ("Jackie-O"), didn't keep rooms in the White House.   she moved-out when the incoming president, LBJ & his family moved-in.   


it just seems a highly irregular thing to do.     i would think it would have been more appropriate for her to "retain apartments" in the (Little) Nicolas palace in the Kremlin and/or Illinskoe....
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 30, 2007, 07:25:04 AM
Thanks Brian! :) Of picture of Ella in emeralds!

I have painted a pretty realistic portrait of Ella (not as grand as Philip Alexius de Laszlo, my favorite painter ----I absolutely love his style and try to copy his technique!)  For my friend who is going to become a Deacon soon and he likes Ella. I made it copied from this picture (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/Ella/EllaR3.jpg) but she's in a bluish-green blouse (it looks like 1914 style dress worn by her niece Maria Nikolaiovna)  and in pearls collar and a moon shape hair pin. I'll post it as soon as I get my computer at home fix and along with my scanner.  :-\ :)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2007, 09:48:36 PM
Great ! Looking forward to seeing the painting !  :)

As for staying in her former apparttments, I guess she just used them if she needs to attend some functions in the Captial. I guess she would like to be reminded of things and life style she gave up. It is one of the complex things about Ella... ???
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on November 04, 2007, 01:52:17 AM


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/eagle_pin.jpg)

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Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 05, 2007, 04:35:43 AM
NOW THAT IS IMPRESSIVE !!!!WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT ???  :o ???
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Martyn on November 05, 2007, 07:27:50 AM
There are few who can compete with Brian when it comes to wonderful images of jewellery, and interesting comment..........

Wonderful image..........
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on November 05, 2007, 08:00:14 AM
Is it Ella's or a representation of the kind of pin we were discussing in her veil?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on November 05, 2007, 04:26:33 PM


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/eagle_pin.jpg)

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Yes it is very amazing and gorgous but is it clothing or an object? I can't realy see exactly what it is. Ella's dressing is beyond elegant.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 05, 2007, 07:15:05 PM
A hair pin to hold Ella's tiara & veil. I am sure Meichen would have something similar. It is quite possible that they still have the grand duchesses's silver jewelry, brushes and clasps in storage... ???
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Martyn on November 06, 2007, 09:29:33 AM
I suppose that we tend to overlook smaller articles such as this pin, which really must have been essential when wearing full court dress.

Securing one's veil, so that it did not slip or move to look inelegant or even hide the face, must have been as important as securing one's tiara (a tiara that had slipped really would create the most unfortunate impression.....).  If I am not mistaken, pins used to keep a diadem in place were often themselves jewelled, were they not?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on November 06, 2007, 02:27:39 PM
A hair pin to hold Ella's tiara & veil. I am sure Meichen would have something similar. It is quite possible that they still have the grand duchesses's silver jewelry, brushes and clasps in storage... ???
Thanks Eric for you information. I never thought of it as that a hair pin. Very interesting.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2007, 07:21:38 PM
Me Too ! Thanks for the person who bought the attention of that kind of objects.  ;)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on November 07, 2007, 02:59:32 PM
Yes I am very delighted that I had a chance to see that beautiful hair pin! Perhaps I wonder how much is it worth now? I have not seen any photographs of Ella wearing the object. It must indeed have to be in one of her very rare collections of jewelery. So many people give us a chance to see rare, items and photos on this wonderful forum. :)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2007, 08:36:42 PM
Go to a page or two back on this thread and you will see a close up of Ella wearing it. At first I was a bit skeptical (the image to0 fuzzy), but now I am convinced. Michen also wore jewelry (made by Cartier) with the double eagle motief.  :)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Mari on November 08, 2007, 02:35:42 AM
that's wonderful Brian that you could find that image of the pin!  I love the pins used for hair, hats, veils and other things. They are as beautiful and as much a work of art as the bigger pieces in their own way.  I bet their hat pins were ornate also!
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2007, 03:13:37 AM
Indeed less had been written about the less ornate pieces of jewelry. I am sure some of them still survives in the Kremlin... ;)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on December 18, 2007, 10:45:33 PM
At an appearance at the opera in London during Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee in 1897, it was reported that GDE wore 'the largest emerald in the world'.  :o
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 19, 2007, 03:49:57 AM
Really ? Too bad there wasn't a photograph accompany the article.  :(
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Nala on January 08, 2008, 04:42:34 AM
I wish we could have a Ball in remembrance of the Romanovs and each wear replicas of the jewels & Russian court dress…

She looks so beautiful in her dress
 ;D
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 09, 2008, 11:29:54 PM
Maybe in Russia they can do that. Most of the dress are still in tact... ;)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Nala on January 10, 2008, 06:49:17 AM
Slight problem with that...

I live in Australia lol

:)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2008, 08:03:54 PM
Well...you can do a ball with Mori royalty ?  ;)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 07, 2008, 08:15:33 AM
Quote
Oh...modelled in a designer's show!! It should be kept in a glass case like a relic!! I wonder if the present owners ever wear these things...
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/jewels/0000324573-003a.jpg)

That one belonged to Victoria Melita, Grand Duchess Kyril. Not to Elisaweta Feodorovna...



(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/coburg/Foto0016sisters.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on September 07, 2008, 09:57:54 AM
I thought VM's was made of emeralds?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 07, 2008, 01:06:03 PM
Yes...Ducky's tiara was made up of emeralds, part of her dowry that she took back when she became Victoria Feodorovna, Grand Duchess Cyril of Russia.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 07, 2008, 01:24:42 PM
It is def. the same piece - I do not believe that one sister in law copied the tiara from the other. perhaps the stones were replaced in later years as these are apparently aquamarines. Maybe you have even mixed up the pieces or the information you read is simply wrong?

she must have had it before her marriage - perhaps it was a wedding gift?


(http://www.geocities.com/henrivanoene/images/ernstludwigandvictoriamelitahesseandbyrhine.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 07, 2008, 01:45:50 PM
No I am sure it is not. Look at John Van Der Kiste's book and you will see Ducky wearing the tiara with her other emeralds. Thestone was dark (emerald) and not light (aquramarine)I think the tiara was listed as one of the wedding gifts. The proof that was that Ducky continue to wear the tiara after she went to Russia. Aquramarines were the favourite stones of the Hesse sisters, not exactly a favoutite Ducky or Missy. Both Irene and Alicky had aquramarine bootches.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on September 07, 2008, 02:43:04 PM
The information on the tiara being Ella's was from when the piece was auctioned off several years ago. It was apparently her aquamarine tiara that she gave to Ernie who in turn left it, presumably to Don, and it eventually ended up with Dorothea (?) of Hesse. That's all I can remember about the info as I posted it a long while ago.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: ashdean on September 08, 2008, 12:37:57 PM
The information on the tiara being Ella's was from when the piece was auctioned off several years ago. It was apparently her aquamarine tiara that she gave to Ernie who in turn left it, presumably to Don, and it eventually ended up with Dorothea (?) of Hesse. That's all I can remember about the info as I posted it a long while ago.
I remember that sale and the parures details in the sale catalogue.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 08, 2008, 05:01:45 PM
I think it is more likely Ella's than Ducky's. Ducky had a spectacular collection of jewels and got to wear Alice's tiara. Don't think it was hers. Anyway by the time Ellareturn the jewels, Ernie and Ducky were already divorced. I haven't seen Ona wore that piece either,,,,?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on September 08, 2008, 08:43:49 PM
Here's Ursula's site on the aquamarine tiara:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.royal-magazin.de/russia/ella/aquamarine-romanov-hessen.htm&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=4&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522grand%2Bduchess%2522%2Baquamarine%2Btiara%2Bhesse%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7ADBF%26sa%3DN

The last paragraph:

 The aquamarine and diamond parure described above was given to her brother the Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig of Hesse-Darmstadt.
Subsequently the parure was inherited by the Grand Duke’s younger son Prince Ludwig of Hesse, thereafter it was given to his first cousin twice removed Her Highness Princess Dorothea of Hesse, on the occasion of her wedding on the 1st April 1959. Subsequently the parure was inherited by the Grand Duke's younger son Prince Ludwig of Hesse, thereafter it was given to his first cousin twice removed Her Highness Princess Dorothea of Hesse, on the occasion of her wedding on the 1st April 1959.
She later sold the parure at auction through Sotheby’s London on the 10th October 1996. She later sold the parure at auction through Sotheby's London on the 10th October 1996
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 09, 2008, 02:58:02 PM
I am not surprised. It seems that all the Hesse girls like aquamarines.  :D
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 10, 2008, 03:42:12 AM

The article says that the pieces were made by Holmström between 1896 and 1903. The date cannot be true as Grand Duchess Victoria Melita is wearing the tiara in her wedding photograph which was taken in April 1894.

Also: have we ever seen a photograph of Grand Duchess Elisaweta Feodorovna wearing part of the parure? I have not. There are - on the other hand - at least three (!) images of Victoria Melita with the tiara on her head. Taken between 1894 and 1905.
This proves - to me - that it belonged to the Hessian Grand Duchess. In some cases even members of Royal Houses seem not to know the provenance of their precious belongings: the incredible "Fabergé vs Cartier" exhibition in Munich (2004 I think) included the wonderful diamond-necklace which was made for GD Elisaweta Feodorovna on occasion of her engagement (to be seen in numerous photographs of hers). The catalog did not mention either the Grand Duchess nor her niece Maria Pavlovna the younger to whom she passed it on in 1906 (photos of MP with the necklace have been posted on that forum as well!). It just mentioned the present owner, a member of the Swedish Royal House and supposed (!) that it was originally a present by the Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna.
So we clearly see: even professionals are wrong at times. Of course you may believe what ever you like to believe (or read in a catalog). I prefer trusting my own eyes. It is 100% the same piece :)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on September 10, 2008, 10:49:19 AM
I haven't seen any photos of EF wearing aquamarines but she is described several times, including a description by Queen Marie of Romania in her autobiography, as having done so. Couldn't this be that set?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 10, 2008, 11:47:41 AM

Unlikely that she owned only a single piece made of aquamarines. I know that she gave her sister Princess Irene as well as Grand Duchess Eleonore brooches etc with that gemstone
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 10, 2008, 01:10:21 PM
Once I again I have to insit, Ducky never wore that tiara. She owned one that is similar in EMERALDS ! She wore the tiara at her wedding and later as Grand Duchess Victoria Feodorovna. Grand Duchess Eleanore never wore that piece (unlike the Alice wedding tiara in which they both wore in photos).
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 11, 2008, 07:59:20 AM
Two versions of the crown (Site: http://www.royal-magazin.de)

1 / Whoever would have belonged to Elizabeth Feodorovna:
 (http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Romanov%20Jewel/Ella.jpg)

2 / Those who have belonged to Victoria Melita:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Romanov%20Jewel/VM.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 11, 2008, 02:12:19 PM
Thank you ! I think one could see the difference. If anyone had the copy of the ILN (The Hesse Wedding Special). You can see the wedding jewels illustrated here (liked the winged tiara).
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 11, 2008, 05:39:59 PM
Courtney, Eric - I am very sorry. That new pic shows that I was wrong - Melita's tiara is obviously different and the aqua-piece might indeed have been part of Grand Duchess Elisaweta's possessions. Thanks for clarifying that!

As for the diamond-wing-tiara: it was Ernst Ludwig's present to his fiancé and Melita left it behind when leaving Darmstadt in 1901. It was given to her daughter Princess Elisabeth and after the death of the little girl the Grand Duke removed the wings from the actual tiara and had them enworked in the gorgeous golden cover of the Family-bible (together with other gemstones formerly belonging to Melita). They are still there - above the large cross in the center of the bible.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Michael HR on September 12, 2008, 01:46:45 AM
wonderful tiaras if I may say so and great that they survived.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 12, 2008, 12:32:00 PM
Thanks for the story of the wings. It is so sad. I also knew that Ernst sister VMH recieved a winged tiara at her marriage too. Maybe Ella got one as well ?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Decadence on November 11, 2008, 04:33:35 PM
Whose show was it that the tiara was displayed at?


Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 31, 2010, 07:50:58 AM
Long time ago...
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: kamlowsky on January 04, 2011, 05:55:24 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.royal-magazin.de/russia/ella/aquamarine-romanov-hessen.htm&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=4&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522grand%2Bduchess%2522%2Baquamarine%2Btiara%2Bhesse%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft
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Aqua Marine of the Grand Duchess Elizabeth Fyodorovna

 It is not known by whom the Grand Duchess received this set has, it could be, but a gift from her family, the Hessian Grand Dukes or directly from her brother. For it was this aquamarine set to her brother after she decided to enter the convent and dividing their jewelry

 The necklace of Faberge designed is a line of nine aquamarines in step cut, the holders have a Mille Grain boundary and include the context of di 1896-1903. Länge 355mm Length 355mm

 One bracelet, probably Faberge, it also worked to fit collar, like a line.  Here, six pillow-shaped aquamarines and diamond bezels of roses, the loops have a pointed end and remember almost on flowers, is evident, however, a more cohesive image for the aquamarine bracelet. - Elizabeth Fyodorovna Grand Duchess Elisabeth Feodorovna - Elizabeth Fyodorovna
his impressive set of aquamarines and diamonds were once owned by Grand Duchess Sergius. his impressive set of aquamarine and diamonds were once owned by Grand Duchess Sergius. Queen Marie of Roumania wrote about her aunt: Queen Marie of Roumania wrote about her aunt:
'She was quite newly married when her beauty burst upon me as a marvellous revelation. 'She was quite newly married her when beauty burst upon me as a marvelous revelation. Her loveliness was of what used to be called the 'angelic' kind. Her loveliness was of what used to be called the 'angelic' child. Her eyes, her lips, her smile, her hands, the way she looked at you, the way she talked, the way she moved, all was exquisite beyond words, it almost brought tears to your eyes' Her eyes, her lips, her smile, her hands, the way she looked at you, the way she talked, the way she moved, all was exquisite beyond words, it almost brought tears to your eyes'

It was only your earthly beauty they were able to do away with, but the memory of your charm, your goodness, your loveliness live with us for ever like a star in the night. It was only your earthly beauty they were able to do away with, but the memory of your charm, your goodness, your loveliness live with us for ever like a star in the night. I was but a child when I so worshipped you, but your face was a revelation; the picture I still have of it is one that no ugliness of life can ever efface. I was but a child when I so worshiped you, but your face was a revelation, I still have the picture of it is that no one can ever efface ugliness of life. Your end was tragic, abominable, not to be thought of, a blot on humanity, but you did exist _once_, and blood cannot wipe out the vision of you passing before me like a blessed apparition in your gown the colour of glaciers, color of aquamarine....' Your end was tragic, abominable, not to be thought of, a blot on humanity, but you did not exist _once_, and blood can not wipe out the vision of you passing before me like a blessed apparition in your gown the color of glaciers, color of aquamarine ....'

A tiara of garland and ribbon bow design millegrain-set throughout with rose and cushion-shaped diamonds and decorated with five pear-shaped aquamarines within rose diamond borders. A tiara of garland and ribbon bow design mille grain-set throughout with rose and cushion-shaped diamonds and decorated with five pear-shaped aquamarine diamond rose within borders.

The necklace , by Faberge , designed as a line of nine step-cut aquamarines within millegrain-set rose diamond borders connected by cushion-shaped and rose diamond ribbon bow motifs, workmaster August Wilhelm Holmström 1896-1903. The necklace, by Faberge, designed as a line of nine step-cut aquamarine within mille grain rose diamond-set borders connected by cushion-shaped diamond and pink ribbon bow motifs, WorkMaster August Wilhelm Holmström 1896-1903. 355mm long 355mm long

A bracelet , probably by Faberge , designed as a line of six cushion-shaped aquamarines and rose diamond quatrefoil motifs. A bracelet, probably by Faberge, designed as a line of six cushion-shaped aquamarine and rose diamond quatrefoil motifs. 175 mm long. 175 mm long.

A pair of aquamarine and diamond earrings , each set with a cushion-shaped diamond surmount. A pair of aquamarine and diamond earrings, each set with a cushion-shaped diamond surmount. It was in a later fitted case by Koch Ffm/Baden-Baden. It was fitted in a later case by Koch Ffm / Baden-Baden.

This extremely attractive parure has a highly important and interesting historical provenance, as the family states that these jewels had once belonged to the Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna of Russia 1864-1918. This extremely attractive parure has a highly important and interesting historical provenance, as the family states that these jewels had once belonged to the Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna of Russia 1864-1918.
Born Princess of Hesse, Elizabeth married Sergei Alexandrovitch, Grand Duke of Russia and son of Alexander II, Emperor of Russia. Born Princess of Hesse, Elizabeth married Sergei Alexandrovitch, Grand Duke of Russia and son of Alexander II, Emperor of Russia. Her younger sister Alexandra was to become the wife of Tsar Nicholas II. in 1894, a marriage which the Grand Duchess greatly encouraged. Her younger sister Alexandra was to become the wife of Tsar Nicholas II in 1894, a marriage Which the Grand Duchess greatly encouraged. The Grand Duchess was a stunning beauty and her husband showered her with jewels. The Grand Duchess was a stunning beauty and her husband showered her with jewels.

They resided at the magnificent Belosseilsky Belosievksy Palace in St. Petersburg which was purchased for them by the Crown in 1884, and when she entertained, it was said: she would go upstais in the middle of the ball to change into a new dress, even more beautiful than the last and an even richer set of jewels. They resided at the magnificent Belosseilsky Belosievksy Palace in St. Petersburg Which was purchased for them by the Crown in 1884, and when she entertained, it was said: she would go upstais in the middle of the ball to change into a new dress, even more beautiful than the last and even richer set of jewels to.

The aquamarine and diamond parure described above was given to her brother the Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig of Hesse-Darmstadt. The aquamarine and diamond parure Described above was given to her brother the Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig of Hesse-Darmstadt.
Subsequently the parure was inherited by the Grand Duke's younger son Prince Ludwig of Hesse, thereafter it was given to his first cousin twice removed Her Highness Princess Dorothea of Hesse, on the occasion of her wedding on the 1st April 1959. Subsequently the parure was inherited by the Grand Duke's younger son Prince Ludwig of Hesse, thereafter it was given to his first cousin twice removed Her Highness Princess Dorothea of Hesse, on the occasion of her wedding on the 1st April 1959.
She later sold the parure at auction through Sotheby's London on the 10th October 1996. She later sold at auction through the parure Sotheby's London on the 10th October 1996.

Source: sothebys Source: Sothebys

Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 05, 2011, 10:44:08 AM
Part of her dowry maybe. Since Ella also sold some jewels to pay for her convent.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on January 05, 2011, 09:26:11 PM
I had posted some of that information (from Ursula's site courtesy of google translate too  :) ) in 2008. Remarkably, that's only the previous page--you'd think this would be a more hopping thread! There is some discussion on it as well as some photos--one on that page and another a couple pages ahead. Hers IS the go-to site.  :)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2011, 08:49:45 AM
It seems like the liking of Aquamarines runs in the family. I saw a aquamarine brooch in the W's niece artski catalogue that said to belong to Princess Henry of Prussia (Irene, sister of Ella). Ella's niece Princess Alice of Battenberg also got a nice parure of aquamarines as a wedding present that includes a tiara, necklace & brooch. Part of the tiara is dislodged and stones made up of the Countess of Wessex's new tiara.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: ashdean on January 06, 2011, 12:23:04 PM
It seems like the liking of Aquamarines runs in the family. I saw a aquamarine brooch in the W's niece artski catalogue that said to belong to Princess Henry of Prussia (Irene, sister of Ella). Ella's niece Princess Alice of Battenberg also got a nice parure of aquamarines as a wedding present that includes a tiara, necklace & brooch. Part of the tiara is dislodged and stones made up of the Countess of Wessex's new tiara.
that Sophie W's tiara was made from Alice's tiara is pure speculation based on very flimsy evidence.This subject has been much talked about on other sites and the general consensus is that there are no connection.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2011, 01:10:03 PM
I agree that is speculation but some people believe it since the Royals did not seem to be big on Aquamarines. Princess Alice's parure appears to be the only possible source.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: ashdean on January 06, 2011, 02:32:47 PM
I agree that is speculation but some people believe it since the Royals did not seem to be big on Aquamarines. Princess Alice's parure appears to be the only possible source.
Actually there are far more Aquamarines in the british royal family than you may think....and Alice had 3 daughters to share gems with after her jewelry was restored to her in 1946.Philip did well to recieve the all diamond tiara that made his bride her engagment ring and bracelet and the second meander tiara worn by Princess Anne.
The Queen mother owned a aquamarine tiara (and other pieces)bought for her by her husband and given to Princess Anne (who had it modified) in 1973.The Duchess of Kent owns a aquamarine tiara and the Queen owns the splendid aquamarine parure given to her by the people of Brazil the diadem of which has been altered 3 times and at one point she had a second smaller tiara of 5 aquamarines in diamonds.
Anyway this is not really the thread for this subject.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: kamlowsky on January 06, 2011, 05:21:48 PM
You are quite correct, grandduchessella. I did read the entire thread with the discussion of GD Ella. Having accidently bypassing the link, my aim was to post a picture of her. I had a dreadfully difficult time posting the comments.  So sorry for all the repetition. You all have such lovely discussions that it might be best if I just read and be cautious with my posting.

Regards,
barb (Varvara)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2011, 12:30:46 PM
Agreed. I did not see a photo of the Queen Mother's arquamarine tiara (not in the Suzy Menkes or Leslie Field books) or the Duchess of Kent Aquamarine tiara. My statement is that the Hesses (Alicky, Ella and Irene) seem to like aquamarines very much.  ;)
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on January 07, 2011, 01:38:23 PM
You are quite correct, grandduchessella. I did read the entire thread with the discussion of GD Ella. Having accidently bypassing the link, my aim was to post a picture of her. I had a dreadfully difficult time posting the comments.  So sorry for all the repetition. You all have such lovely discussions that it might be best if I just read and be cautious with my posting.

Regards,
barb (Varvara)


I didn't mean to sound chastising. I hadn't realized until I went back that it was 2 years since I posted it and it was just the prior page. I would've thought more discussion would've happened. I think it has on her own thread, just not the jewelry one. (Also to plug Ursula's site since it's great!)

Re: Irene's aquamarine--they had  a photo of it in Majesty magazine once.

RE: Alice's aquamarines--weren't they a wedding gift from her aunt Ella?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
It was also in a catalogue at the London antique jewelry seller Wartski's. They had an exhibition of Faberge jewellery. Not too sure if it was from Ella the Aquramarine parure. I read Alexandra of Wales gave an amethyts brooch.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on December 28, 2011, 11:33:23 AM
I am wondering about the jewelry Ella wore for her wedding...there isn't much information about her wedding attire but might any of you royal jewelry experts know what sort of jewels she wore for the ceremony?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2011, 02:20:25 PM
Actually, this is a very easy question since almost all Romanov brides wore the same jewels on their wedding day. The heavy diamond earrings, the necklace and the bracelets are standard as well as the diamond bridal crown. The only grand duchess who didn't wore that was Grand Duchess Marie Georgievna (born Princess Marie of Greece) since her wedding was in Athens. There are pictures of Grand Duchess Constantine, Grand Duchess Helen (Princess Nicholas of Greece) and Grand Duchess Marie Paulovna the younger (Princess Wilhelm of Sweden) in that costume. Ella of course followed that tradition but no photo was made of her after the wedding.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: ashdean on December 28, 2011, 04:43:37 PM
I am wondering about the jewelry Ella wore for her wedding...there isn't much information about her wedding attire but might any of you royal jewelry experts know what sort of jewels she wore for the ceremony?
The diamond nuptial crown (made from diamonds that had belonged to Catherine the Great sewn on red velvet) eventually belonged to Marjorie Merriweather Post who gave it to the Smithsonian...they lent it back to Mrs Posts museum Hillwood in Washington DC...you can see the crown on that museums wonderful website.
The crown was worn behind a large diamon tiara with a oblong pink diamond while the principal necklace was of 2 rows of huge diamonds the lower row being pearshaped stones with a central stone of 32 carats...This stupendous piece was broken up and later sold later by the Soviets.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2011, 07:52:07 PM
Yes. I have seen it a few times. One of the perks of living in Washington DC.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on December 30, 2011, 12:23:47 PM
I am wondering about the jewelry Ella wore for her wedding...there isn't much information about her wedding attire but might any of you royal jewelry experts know what sort of jewels she wore for the ceremony?
The diamond nuptial crown (made from diamonds that had belonged to Catherine the Great sewn on red velvet) eventually belonged to Marjorie Merriweather Post who gave it to the Smithsonian...they lent it back to Mrs Posts museum Hillwood in Washington DC...you can see the crown on that museums wonderful website.
The crown was worn behind a large diamon tiara with a oblong pink diamond while the principal necklace was of 2 rows of huge diamonds the lower row being pearshaped stones with a central stone of 32 carats...This stupendous piece was broken up and later sold later by the Soviets.

I actually took a very cheesy photo of myself next to it when I was at Hillwood. It's much smaller than you'd think it would be but absolutely gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Ena on December 30, 2011, 07:42:24 PM
I actually took a very cheesy photo of myself next to it when I was at Hillwood. It's much smaller than you'd think it would be but absolutely gorgeous.
I was surprised at how small the nuptial crown was.  Also, there is so much in the room that I almost missed it.     
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 03, 2012, 08:07:03 AM
A nice tradition.

Ella was said to have a great collection of jewels. I wonder how does that compare to Miechen & Marva ?
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: ashdean on January 03, 2012, 08:30:37 AM
A nice tradition.

Ella was said to have a great collection of jewels. I wonder how does that compare to Miechen & Marva ?
I expect it came in the middle..... if in say Dec 1914 there 3 collections had still be intact Grand Duchess Vladimirs collection would have significantly greater (especially so with the orgy of buying/remodeling  in the previous 5 years from Cartier) while Grand Duchess Constantine the youngers collection was no where near as comprehensive...it is to be remembered that as the mother of 8 and the wife of more junior Grand Duke....who had large expenses...and as not particulary as wordly/fashionable as the others...her collection despite some magnificent items (especially heirlooms from her mother in law) would be much less in quantity.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Svetabel on January 03, 2012, 09:40:06 AM
A nice tradition.

Ella was said to have a great collection of jewels. I wonder how does that compare to Miechen & Marva ?

You did it again. If you are so used to be familiar with the Royal persons, it would be polite to learn their nicknames by heart. MaVra.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 03, 2012, 11:22:50 AM
Thanks ! I will remember Grand Duchess Constantine (the younger)'s nickname is Mavra.  :)

Yes. I think Miechen had a bigger collection since she did bought so much from Cartier. Not to mention to those she got her daughter Ellen.

I think of all the pieces owned by Ella, the ones that made the most impression on me were the emerald parure (the tiara, necklace and brooch set), The diamond and pearl tiara, the diamond link necklace (which may or may not be the one given to her niece Marie Paulovna, since some claim hers was a copy). The fleur de lys brooch and the aquamarine tiara (which was returned to Hesse). Didn't know if she over owned a Russian diamond fringe tiara or rubies & sapphires.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Captain Koala on October 29, 2013, 06:28:10 PM
Given the antipathy between MP the  younger and Ella, IMHO it would be unlikely that she (MP) would copy a piece of jewellery owned by an Aunt she wasn't really fond of and much more likely she received it as inheritance when Ella was portioning up and disposing of her possessions.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on October 29, 2013, 09:57:17 PM
Thanks ! I will remember Grand Duchess Constantine (the younger)'s nickname is Mavra.  :)

Yes. I think Miechen had a bigger collection since she did bought so much from Cartier. Not to mention to those she got her daughter Ellen.

I think of all the pieces owned by Ella, the ones that made the most impression on me were the emerald parure (the tiara, necklace and brooch set), The diamond and pearl tiara, the diamond link necklace (which may or may not be the one given to her niece Marie Paulovna, since some claim hers was a copy). The fleur de lys brooch and the aquamarine tiara (which was returned to Hesse). Didn't know if she over owned a Russian diamond fringe tiara or rubies & sapphires.

She had a fringe tiara which she wore (at least once as that's what was in the photo) as a necklace. For a tiara she wore a delicate diamond tiara that I haven't seen elsewhere. She also had a large amethyst brooch by Faberge.
Title: Re: The Jewelry of Grand Duchess Elizabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 31, 2013, 12:07:42 AM
Like to see the photo with the Fringe. Ella had a tall tiara but haven't seen a fringe...