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Title: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: gleb on May 30, 2005, 02:20:47 PM
Who were the Oldenburgs who lived in Russia and why?

Thanks
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on May 30, 2005, 06:32:58 PM
Oldenburg [ôl'dunboorkh]
Pronunciation Key

Oldenburg , former state, NW Germany. It is now included in the state of Lower Saxony. The city of Oldenburg was the capital. The former state consisted of three widely separated divisions. The largest of these, Oldenburg proper, now forms the district of Oldenburg, stretching S from the North Sea, W of the Weser River; the two other divisions, both very small, were Birkenfeld and the district (but not the city) of Lübeck. Oldenburg proper is a low-lying, fertile, and marshy land. The history of Oldenburg proper is mainly of dynastic significance. Originally a part of Saxony, the county of Oldenburg came into prominence in the 12th cent., when the counts became princes of the empire. In 1448, Count Christian became king of Denmark as Christian I, while his younger brother, Gerard, and his successors continued to rule Oldenburg. On the extinction (1667) of the German line, Oldenburg passed (1676) to Christian V of Denmark (direct descendant of Christian I). In 1773, Christian VII exchanged Oldenburg for ducal Holstein with Grand Duke (later Emperor) Paul I of Russia. Paul gave Oldenburg to his maternal great uncle, Frederick Augustus of Holstein-Gottorp, bishop of Lübeck, who assumed (1777) the ducal title. Peter I of Oldenburg, nephew and successor of Frederick Augustus, lost the duchy to Napoleon I but recovered Oldenburg and the bishopric of Lübeck in 1813 and subsequently acquired Birkenfeld and obtained the title grand duke. A member of the German Confederation from 1815, Oldenburg sided (1866) with Prussia in the Austro-Prussian War and joined (1871) the German Empire. The last grand duke abdicated in 1918, and Oldenburg joined the Weimar Republic.

The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 6th ed. Copyright © 2005, Columbia University Press. All rights reserved.

Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: gleb on May 31, 2005, 03:31:17 AM
Thanks very much Lisa for those informations.

Anyway I am still intersested in the Oldenburgs who lived in Russia, such as Olga Alexandrovna's husband. If I am right he lived in Russia with his mother and they had a palace.

Why did they live there??
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Reco on June 01, 2005, 01:55:09 PM
First, this is GD Olga Alexandrovna and her husban Peter of Olddenburg.

I post this pic in the GD Olga Alexandrovna Palace topic on the board "Palaces in St. Petersburg"

(http://img127.echo.cx/img127/5848/gdolgapeterprincepeterofoldenb.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)

I believe that the photo one was taken at the time of their marriage in 1901.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Reco on June 01, 2005, 02:16:25 PM
Origin of Oldenburg

http://www.ngw.nl/int/dld/oldenbur.htm

The House of Romanov (Рома́нов, pronounced Ro-MAH-nof), the second and last imperial dynasty of Russia, which ruled Muscovy and the Russian Empire for five generations from 1613 to 1762. From 1762 to 1917 Russia was ruled by a branch of the House of Oldenburg, which retained the Romanov surname.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanov_dynasty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Oldenburg

One can find on Internet information enormously. It is enough to seek.

I hope my english translator is good !

Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on June 02, 2005, 02:45:52 PM
Quote
Thanks very much Lisa for those informations.

Anyway I am still intersested in the Oldenburgs who lived in Russia, such as Olga Alexandrovna's husband. If I am right he lived in Russia with his mother and they had a palace.

Why did they live there??


He lived with his mother and father..there was a large family of the Russian Oldenbourgs. GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna, daughter of Emperor Pavel I, was married 1st to Prince of Oldenburg and their  2 sons were officers on the Russian military service...
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: sydguy71 on December 27, 2005, 02:35:11 AM
hello,
Does anybody know if Prince Peter of Oldenburg (Granduchess Olga's first husband) survived the revolution, and if he did, did he remarry? Any info would be great.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Leuchtenberg on December 27, 2005, 04:46:15 AM
He and his parents survived the Revolution and settled at Biarritz.  He did marry a second time in 1922.  It was an unequal marriage.  

Peter died two years later.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Teddy on January 25, 2006, 02:52:00 PM
I heard about that there is a paperback of her Biography by Vorres.

Is that true?
So yes, could someone post the ISBN of the paperback?
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Helen on January 25, 2006, 04:06:54 PM
ISBN 1-55263-302-0;
Key Porter Books (Toronto, Ontario, Canada);
http://www.keyporter.com
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: dp5486 on February 02, 2006, 03:32:26 PM
Has anyone seen any pictures of Peter or his parents around the time of the revolution?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on March 19, 2006, 03:19:53 PM
Quote
I heard about that there is a paperback of her Biography by Vorres.

Is that true?
So yes, could someone post the ISBN of the paperback?


It's terrific that the Vorres book was reissued, but a bummer that there are so many errors in its photo captions! Especially since there are so many of us who would have gladly reviewed them before publication!
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: frimousse on May 02, 2006, 05:40:30 PM
Here is a photography of the wedding of Peter of Oldenburg with Madame Olga Serebriakoff née Ratkoff-Rojnoff in the Russian church of Biarritz, May, 11 th 1922.
His parents Eugénie and Alexandre lived permanently in Biarritz. He died in 1924 childless, leaving his parents in despair.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/frimousse5/pierre.jpg)
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on May 03, 2006, 12:36:17 AM
Thanks for the pic, frimousse! Second wife of Prince Petr looks pretty. :)
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Morecambrian on May 03, 2006, 08:12:39 AM
Was this the same Madame Serebriakova who In pre WW1 days had been one of the leading hostesses of St Petersburg society?.Was the painter Alexandre Serebriakov her son?
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: imperial angel on May 03, 2006, 08:20:07 AM
I had no idea that he married again! I suppose he did so to have a companion after the revolution, perhaps. Wasn't he gay or just bisexual? He certainly failed miserably as a husband to Olga. His parents pushed his first marriage to the Tsar's sister, but when it was unhappy, child less, and ended in divorce, it wasn't so rosy. And then he marries again to someone below his rank, and dies childless? One can see why his parents were in despair.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: frimousse on May 08, 2006, 07:40:15 PM
Even on his wedding day, he looks sad... :-/
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: imperial angel on May 09, 2006, 10:34:16 AM
He seems not have had a very happy life. But he wasn't the best husband to Grand Duchess Olga, saying they had to stay in the marriage for the sake of propriety for a certain number of years before they could divorce. Perhaps he was a conflicted man. I wonder what his second wife thought of him?
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on February 02, 2010, 03:21:00 PM
I just love the fact that it was Napoleon's annexation of the Holstein-Gottorp-Romanovs' ancestral land, the Duchy of Oldenburg in 1810, belonging to the father-in-law of Grand Duchess Ekaterina Pavlovna, that prompted the diplomatic note of protest from Alexander I, famous from "War and Pace", which many see as the beginning of the detoriation of the French-Russian relationship that culminated in Napoleon's Russian Campaign.

(BTW Knowing that Katherine the Great's German inheritance Jever next to Oldenburg was a Russian exclave at the time you would imagine that Alexander I would have been more concerned about Napoleon annexation's of that territory, but in fact he had ceded it to the Napoleonic Kingdom of Holland in the Treaty of Tilsit in 1807. It did become Russian again in 1813, but was finally ceded to Oldenburg in 1818. The neighbouring fief of Kniephausen, now that was quite another and more complicated matter (Bentinck Succession Dispute) before it could be incorporated by Oldenburg...)
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 05:11:49 AM
Seems the topic is more focused on Prince Petr of Oldenburg, 1st husband of GDss Olga Alexandrovna.

But he was not the only one Russian Oldenburg.

Here are more of them.

Only survived son of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna, Duke Petr of Oldenburg (he was created Duke by his Uncle Emperor Nicholas I). He was a talented man and famous charity-provider. Also he was known among the Romanovs as a poet, but not that one like famous KR would be. Rather an ordinary poet ; )

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/e82399a1.jpg)

His wife Duchess Theresia,nee Princess of Nassau.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_-6.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_--1.jpg)

She was a supporter of her husband in charity affairs,they said she was good, kind but very acid at the same time.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 05:15:33 AM
Daughters of Duke Petr Georgievitch

Ekaterina and Theresa. Ekaterina was once a flirt of GD Nicholas, eldest son of Emperor Alexander II. Empress Maria Alexandrovna quickly forbade any effort of romance between two young people.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_1863.jpg)

Ekaterina is the eldest in the photo, she died of tuberculouis. I had posted this picture before at the topic about GD Nicholas I think.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 05:17:53 AM
Theresa of Oldenburg, as a young girl in 1868. She was 1st wife of Duke  Georgiy of Leuchtenberg.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_1868.jpg)
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 05:20:14 AM
And some images of Duchess Eugenia Maximilianovna, spouse of Duke Alexander Petrovitch and thus mother-in-law of GDss Olga A.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/aef73f11.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_-7.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/37eee34f.jpg)
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Marc on February 09, 2010, 02:09:50 PM
Ekaterina was once a flirt of GD Nicholas, eldest son of Emperor Alexander II. Empress Maria Alexandrovna quickly forbade any effort of romance between two young people.

Why was the match forbidden?Because she was a sickly child or because maybe he was a sickly child?Or something else?
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: kmerov on February 09, 2010, 04:32:11 PM
Thank you Svetabel for posting so many wonderful pictures. Much appreciated!

It's interesting that so many members of the German branches of the IF married morganatic spouses. Of Duke Peter of Oldenburgs sons, only Alexander made an equal marriage.

Nicholai Petrovich of Oldenburg (1840-1886), oldest son of Duke Peter, with his wife. The marriage was not popular in the family.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/OldenburgNicolai.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/OldenburgNicolai.jpg)

Konstantin Petrovich of Oldenburg (1850-1906), youngest son of Duke Peter.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/OldenburgConstantin.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/OldenburgConstantin.jpg)

His wife, Agrippina Konstantinovna, created Countess Zarnekau (1855-1927)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/ZarnAgrip.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/ZarnAgrip.jpg)

Was their son Alexei killed by the bolsheviks because he was related to the Romanovs, or because he was nobility?

And Eugenia Maximilianovna. 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/LeichtenbergEugenie.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/LeichtenbergEugenie.jpg)
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on February 09, 2010, 11:39:55 PM
Ekaterina was once a flirt of GD Nicholas, eldest son of Emperor Alexander II. Empress Maria Alexandrovna quickly forbade any effort of romance between two young people.

Why was the match forbidden?Because she was a sickly child or because maybe he was a sickly child?Or something else?

Maria Alexandrovna didn't consider an Oldenburg girl a proper marriage for the Heir of the Throne. Of course Ekaterina lived all her life in Russia (though being a Lutheran) and was more or less known in the Imperial Family but she was not a politically interesting alliance in the case of Nicholas.
And yes, she was sickly as all her siblings actually except probably GDss Alexandra Petrovna. By the way the image of Alexandra Petrovna and her ways didn't add any charm to the Oldenburg brood of girls either.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on February 09, 2010, 11:46:35 PM
Thank you Svetabel for posting so many wonderful pictures. Much appreciated!

It's interesting that so many members of the German branches of the IF married morganatic spouses. Of Duke Peter of Oldenburgs sons, only Alexander made an equal marriage.


Was their son Alexei killed by the bolsheviks because he was related to the Romanovs, or because he was nobility?



Yes, the Russian Oldenburgs as well as their relatives Leuchtenbergs were the champions in morganatic marriages :  ).

I don't know details about Count Alexei's death, he was killed in 1918 in Petrograd,possibly just in the street.

Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: kmerov on February 17, 2010, 07:39:16 AM
Yes, I wonder why they hardly ever married European Royalty. They just seemed to marry within Russia, either the main IF, each other or morganatic, and that goes for all three branches. The few who did marry outside Russia were Maria Maximilianovna, George Maximilianovich in his second marriage to Anastasia of Montenegro, and Elena of Mecklenburg-Strelitz.

Does anyone have a picture of the Oldenburg Palace in St. Petersburg?
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on February 21, 2010, 02:20:35 AM
I've been trying to get an idea about which Oldenburgs were Imperial Highnesses and which weren't. Unlike in the Leuchtenberg clan, were all dynasts became HIH until the 1886 ukaz, the Oldenburg HIH seems to have been rarer and bestowed more ad personam. Did that make the Oldenburgs jealous of the Leuchtenbergs?

As far as I can see:
1. generation: Duke Georg of Oldenburg became HIH when he married HIH Grand Duchess Ekaterina Pavlovna in 1809.
2. generation: Prince Peter Georgevich was by birth a mere HSH and only became HIH in 1845. I guess his wife Theresa of Nassau shared his HIH?
3. generation: Their children were by birth mere Serene Highnesses, but became (Grand-Ducal?) Highnesses by the order of the Grand Duke of Oldenburg in 1855.
                       Alexandra and Theresa married Imperial Highnesses, but of the boys only Prince Alexander Petrovich became HIH in 1914 (because of his service to the
                       Emperor, and his son's marriage?). His wife, Eugenia of Leuchtenberg, Princess Romanovskaya, was already HIH.
4. generation: Is it true that Prince Peter Alexandrovich didn't become HIH upon his marriage to HIH Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, but remained a (Grand-Ducal?) Highness?
                       Of course none of his morganatic cousins were dynasts, but were the Counts and Countesses Osternburg and Zarnekau styled Сиятельство, just like
                       Russian Counts, even though they were created by the Grand Duke of Oldenburg? (And thus probably actually held the lesser style of Hochgeboren,
                       высокородие, like all non-mediatized German Counts.)
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: PAVLOV on March 01, 2010, 09:12:16 AM
I think Prince Peter of Oldenburg was a very unhappy man by the looks of it. He was gay and not very attractive. I cannot understand why he married again, why make the same mistake for a second time ? I imagine that he married Olga for her money only.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: kmerov on March 02, 2010, 05:08:36 PM
I think Prince Peter of Oldenburg was a very unhappy man by the looks of it. He was gay and not very attractive. I cannot understand why he married again, why make the same mistake for a second time ? I imagine that he married Olga for her money only.

That may be, but I don't think that much has been written about Duke Peter, besides the above mentioned and his bad marriage to GDss Olga. And I don't think he married Olga for money.
His relative, Prince Roman Petrovich remembered him fondly, stating that he had a hart of gold, and a genuine compassion foor other peoples misfortunes. His liberal views caused him to have many a loud discussions with his father, Alexander of Oldenburg.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Marc on June 13, 2010, 09:39:12 AM
One more photo of Agrippina,Countess von Zarnekau,nee Japaridze

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Zarnek.jpg)



And some more info I found about Japaridze family...it seems they were nobles and even Princes in Kigdom of Imereti:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japaridze_%28noble_family%29
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on June 21, 2010, 02:03:40 AM
More of Princess Ekaterina of Oldenburg

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1864oldenburg.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1864proldenbyrg.jpg)
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Kalafrana on June 21, 2010, 08:33:57 AM
Nice to hear that somebody remembered Peter of Oldenburg fondly. Maybe he just married the wrong woman.

Ann
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on December 20, 2010, 07:57:40 AM
Nice to hear that somebody remembered Peter of Oldenburg fondly. Maybe he just married the wrong woman.

Ann

Famous Russian writer Ivan Bounin also mentioned Prince Petr very favourably and wrote an article about him after the Prince's death. Bounin found the Prince very shy, mild and discreet person who made verses and wrote sketches about the peasant life.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Marc on December 20, 2010, 09:28:25 AM
Something from the blog I found on the web about he possible marriage between Ekaterina and Nicholas and is told by her friend Count Sheremetev...he says:

"And suddenly, all hopes were dashed. Sheremetev remembers as a close friend: "I come once to the house of Ekaterina Petrovna and heard:"It's over! "- she says ... That's what it turned out: talks about her marriage with cesarevitch lasted long; Maria had a sympathy for this union, but with a precondition, that Ekaterina Petrovna should have her preliminary education. Had in mind primarily the transition to Orthodoxy. Her mother immediately replied and categorically refused. But it was only a pretext, the real reason for the refusal was in the complex relationships between Maria Alexandrovna and Teresa, both disliked each other, felt that their role was played by "old Nassau-Darmstadt account ", to the fact that staid and restrained Empress was irritated by the ecstatic behavior of the Oldenburgs."

Obviously those two women never liked each other because of this,so,does anyone know what was "old Nassau-Darmstadt account "?
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on December 21, 2010, 02:20:15 PM
Something from the blog I found on the web about he possible marriage between Ekaterina and Nicholas and is told by her friend Count Sheremetev...he says:

"And suddenly, all hopes were dashed. Sheremetev remembers as a close friend: "I come once to the house of Ekaterina Petrovna and heard:"It's over! "- she says ... That's what it turned out: talks about her marriage with cesarevitch lasted long; Maria had a sympathy for this union, but with a precondition, that Ekaterina Petrovna should have her preliminary education. Had in mind primarily the transition to Orthodoxy. Her mother immediately replied and categorically refused. But it was only a pretext, the real reason for the refusal was in the complex relationships between Maria Alexandrovna and Teresa, both disliked each other, felt that their role was played by "old Nassau-Darmstadt account ", to the fact that staid and restrained Empress was irritated by the ecstatic behavior of the Oldenburgs."

Obviously those two women never liked each other because of this,so,does anyone know what was "old Nassau-Darmstadt account "?

Princess Teresa was quite a character they said. Witty, sharp and acid very often. So she obviously could not get along well with the Empress.

Nassau-Darmstadt account was possibly an old territorial quarrel as the Duchies were close to each other in the map.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Marc on December 22, 2010, 07:23:17 AM
Very interesting how often persons from another branches opposed the reigning Empress...Maria Pavlovna first comes to my mind and now I hear about Theresa von Oldenburg.

It seems she was so stubborn and proud and didn't let another daughter to change faith in order to marry into Imperial family...she in fact did let Alexandra do it,but she did not marry Marie's son and when it comes to Ekaterina who wanted to marry son of the Empress she did not get along,she refused and rushed her Protestant confirmation...

In the blog I have read,it also says that Ekaterina had lively nature before she fell ill...it is said that she did not get along with her sister Alexandra and that one of the reasons,except being of different character,was that she used to dance quite a lot with her husband Grand Duke Nicholas in balls given in the Palace Znamenka...The Empress Marie also commented that she doesn't approve "people who flirt in balls" thinking of Ekaterina!
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 01, 2011, 08:24:56 PM
Obviously those two women never liked each other because of this,so,does anyone know what was "old Nassau-Darmstadt account "?
Nassau-Darmstadt account was possibly an old territorial quarrel as the Duchies were close to each other in the map.

Indeed, the Houses of Hesse and Nassau had been opposed to each other ever since the dispute about the succession to the rich Counts of Katzenelnbogen, who went extinct in the male line in 1479. Hesse succeeded: Most of the Landgraviate of Hesse-Darmstadt was actually made up of Katzenelnbogen territory. This was mainly because Langrave Heinrich III of Hesse was the son-in-law of the last Count of Katzenelnbogen, but interestingly that line went extinct in the male line too. The collateral Hessian relatives managed to secure Katzenelnbogen for Hesse, but all the cognatic descendants of the last Count of Katzenelnbogen did actually marry into the Houses of Nassau (grandmother of Willem the Silent), Cleves (grandmother of Anne of Cleves) and Baden. That is perhaps the explanation why the Landgraves of Hesse-Darmstadt were so anxious to marry princesses of Baden, while I can't find any marriage to a Nassauer after the Katzenelnbogen dispute! Hesse-Cassel did have a few marriages with Nassau, probably because of the common religious denomination (Calvinism).

I don't know if this territorial dispute, which clearly restricted the spread of Nassau influence east of the Rhine and perhaps is one reason why they decided to "go west", still created animosity centuries afterwards, but clearly there were afterwards no direct Nassau-Hesse-Darmstadt family links that could bring on a reconciliation!
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Clemence on April 09, 2012, 02:02:12 PM
Do we know if Peter of Oldenburgh fought in WWI?
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on April 09, 2012, 03:24:59 PM
Do we know if Peter of Oldenburgh fought in WWI?

He served at Stavka,in the headquarter of the Top Command.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on April 10, 2012, 12:34:31 AM
Nice to hear that somebody remembered Peter of Oldenburg fondly. Maybe he just married the wrong woman.

Ann

The Emperor was quite fond of "Petya" and he seems to have been well liked among the Imperial Family in general. Little is known of Peter's late second marriage, but according to Olga Alexandrovna, she and her 1st husband never had sex. Assuming that OA was being truthful, Peter could have been gay, bisexual, or impotent, or simply uninterested in having sex with his first wife.

But none of that would have necessarily made him less warm hearted or caring. Or necessarily Olga A "the wrong woman".
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: DssofBelem on October 02, 2012, 07:34:15 PM
Are there more photos of Catherine Petrovna Oldenburg (1846-1866), Nixa's 1st love? I am curious on her, she supposedly died of tuberculosis (and depression) after Nixa's death in 1865.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on October 03, 2012, 12:43:27 AM
Are there more photos of Catherine Petrovna Oldenburg (1846-1866), Nixa's 1st love? I am curious on her, she supposedly died of tuberculosis (and depression) after Nixa's death in 1865.

The only photos of her are in this topic. She was not Nixa's love, only a flirt. And she did die of tuberculosis, why supposedly?
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: DssofBelem on October 04, 2012, 06:29:38 PM
Are there more photos of Catherine Petrovna Oldenburg (1846-1866), Nixa's 1st love? I am curious on her, she supposedly died of tuberculosis (and depression) after Nixa's death in 1865.

The only photos of her are in this topic. She was not Nixa's love, only a flirt. And she did die of tuberculosis, why supposedly?

Only a flirt? Hum. I wasn't sure she died of tuberculosis, actually I never heard much of her. I read a blog (someone quoted above I guess) who had some information on her but only this.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Catherine_of_Oldenburg_by_Hau.JPG?uselang=ru

She was about 7. Very beautiful little girl, with dark hair- and such violet eyes!
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on March 26, 2013, 03:55:51 PM
Princess Teresa, wife of Prince Petr Georgievitch

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/terehau_zps2406944e.jpg)

a watercolour by Hau, 1840s

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/tere_zps2b849749.jpg)

could be by Winterhalter due to the style of the portrait

Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on March 26, 2013, 06:50:40 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8234/8592977691_8322af1769_b.jpg)

Here is the Hau portrait of Princess Teresa in color.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on August 13, 2013, 07:27:29 PM
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2847/9506953658_2cc9407e93_o.jpg)

Grand Duchess Ekaterina Pavlovna by Isabey.
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on August 02, 2014, 12:19:12 PM
Princess Eugenia of Oldenburg, nee Leuchtenberg.1870s

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/P1160189_zps34dde40b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Marc on August 03, 2014, 10:26:59 PM
What a delight seeing some truly rare portraits :-) I just love them!Thnx Sveta :-)

Title: Aleksandra Konstantinovna von Zarnekau, the Countess de Zarnekau
Post by: PGNUCLA on October 15, 2014, 01:00:48 PM
Zdravstvuyte:  For research for a book project, I am seeking information regarding Aleksandra Konstantinovna von Zarnekau, the Countess de Zarnekau.  It is my understanding that the Countess was born May 10, 1883 in Kutaisi, Georgia, Russian Empire, the daughter of Duke Constantine Petrovich of Oldenburg and Agrippina Japaridze, Countess von Zarnekau.  I know that Prince Georgii Aleksandrovich Yourievsky and Aleksandra Konstantinovna von Zarnekau were married in Nice, France in 1900.  Their son, Aleksandr Georiievich Yourievsky, Prince Yourievsky, was born December 20, 1901.  Prince Georgii and the Countess von Zarnekau were divorced in 1908.  On October 17, 1908, the Countess married Leo Vassilievich Narishkin in Paris.  I am particularly interested in receiving information regarding the following questions:  1) What is the generally-recognized explanation for the divorce of Prince Georgii and the Countess von Zarnekau in 1908?  2)  I would be most grateful in learning about the Countess' life in Paris.  Was she already living in Paris at the time of the divorce?  Do we know where she was living?  Did she also have a home outside of the city?  Do we know what the nature of her financial circumstances were at that time?  3) I would also welcome any information regarding Leo Vassilievich Narishkin.  It is my understanding that Narishkin is a prominent name in Russian Imperial history, but I do not know where to place Leo Vassilievich in that family tree, if at all.  I have found one brief book reference to him in which he is described as a former military officer, but I do not have any details beyond that.  Leo Vassilievich died on April 4, 1931.  4) Do we know where in Paris the Countess was living at the time of Leo Vassilievich's passing?  The Countess de Zarnekau herself died on May 28, 1957 in Paris.  Many thanks in advance to the Citizens of the APTM Forum for your consideration of my inquiry.  Bal'shoye spaseeba.  Da sveedaneeya.  Sincerely Yours -- PGNUCLA  pnagle@ucla.edu

Title: Re: Aleksandra Konstantinovna von Zarnekau, the Countess de Zarnekau
Post by: Marc on November 02, 2014, 06:54:24 AM
It is my understanding that Narishkin is a prominent name in Russian Imperial history, but I do not know where to place Leo Vassilievich in that family tree, if at all.

Leo Vassilievich Narishkin has quite a pedigree...He was the son of Vassili Lvovich Narishkin and Princess Fevronia Pavlovna Orbeliani,daughter of Prince Alexander Bariatinski and Princess Elizaveta Dimitrievna Orbeliani...

Apart from being born into the famous Narishkin family,he was also distantly related to the Imperial family...He was a descendant of Princess Catherine von Schleswig-Holstein-Beck and also Countess Amalie zu Sayn-Wiitgenstein-Berleburg-Ludwigsburg,sister of the famous general Princes Peter zu Sayn-Wittgenstein...

He was also descendant of many Russian Princely families such as Bariatinski,Gagarin,Galitzin,Dolgorukov,Kurakin,Lopukhin,,Lobanov-Rostovski
Title: Re: The Oldenbourgs - descd. of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on September 06, 2016, 07:32:44 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/149721651470 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/149721651470)

Ekaterina Pavlovna and her second husband, King Wilhelm of Wuerttemberg.