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Title: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on June 03, 2005, 07:42:33 PM
I've just been reading Lili Dehn's account of the abdication, and it's gotten me all muddled  :-[

I know there are some inaccuracies in her account regarding which of the Little Pair were healthy & up and around at various points during the abdication, but I can't remember the details.  Is it true that Olga, Tatiana, and Alexei were ill first, followed later by Anastasia, and finally Maria? And wasn't it Maria who accompanied the tsarina when she pleaded with the palace guard?

If someone can refer me back to a more reliable version of the story, I'd sure appreciate it -- I'm suddenly having trouble sorting out what I read where!
Thanks,
Sarah
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Lanie on June 03, 2005, 07:48:20 PM
I think Olga and Alexei got sick first, then Tatiana, then Anastasia and finally Maria who had double pneumonia on top of it and was given oxygen.  Maria and Olga were the two that were deathly ill, Maria moreso than Olga with the pneumonia.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 03, 2005, 10:26:15 PM
Was Maria really so ill that she had to be given oxygen? Aww, poor thing. I never knew that.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: AGRBear on June 05, 2005, 09:27:30 AM
Poor thing was very sick.

Now, with all the vacines,  young and old no longer have to suffer such terrible things like the measles.  I remember as a kid, everytime I wanted to do something special I'd come down with a different type of measles.  The worst case was that of the "German measles".  I don't know the acutal name but that is what my Mom called it.  Had to be in the dark, felt terrible and it seem to last forever....

I went looking for other threads which have been buried, and, found this quote of mine from the last time I went on a search:

Quote
I'm  looking for the thread where we talked about the girls and the measles.

AGRBear

#1
#2 - Medical History of the Imperial Family: http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=family;action=display;num=1095331184;start=0#0
#3 OTMA and the Measles, Tyhoid and Other Illness: http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=family;action=display;num=1088533805
#4 - A little was mention in Serious Claimants:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=loonies;action=display;num=1087862809;start=25

Still haven't found the right one where people even sent photos.
Seems like we talked about it around the date of June 29, 2004...
I'm  looking......

This has nothing to do with the measles but it does on hair.
Alix's Hair:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=family;action=display;num=1081244369

Grand Duchesses's Hair:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=family;action=display;num=1091442998

Hair Dressers:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=family;action=display;num=1089290365

OTMA:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=family;action=display;num=1082563750

Well, haven't found it yet and it doesn't come up on SEARCH.  Meanwhile,  I am learning about hair  ;D


Lanie wrote on one of our locked down threads the following:
   
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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #28 on: Jun 29th, 2004, 1:57pm »

>>The children had the measles following a little party given for various youngsters Alexei's age in February 1917 I believe; one of them had the measles, I guess, and they ended up all coming down with it.  The medicine made their hair fall out (I think) so their heads were shaved<<
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Elisabeth on June 06, 2005, 11:46:48 AM
According to Vyrubova, Maria was so ill with pneumonia that at one point everyone expected her to die. I can't remember if she was given last rites or not. But I've often thought it strange that Alexei's bouts of illness get so much attention from biographers, whereas Maria's nearly fatal illness gets next to none. (It's so ironic that she could easily have died in March or April 1917, and only survived to be murdered a year later.) And can you imagine what a terrible strain Maria's illness must have been on Nicholas and Alexandra? - Only weeks after the abdication they had to confront the possibility that one of their children was dying.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Georgiy on June 06, 2005, 05:22:38 PM
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I can't remember if she was given last rites or not.
- Although 'last rites' is perhaps not the best term for it, as the Mystery (Sacrement) of Annointing is different for Orthodox than Catholics, and is not reserved for the dying, but for anyone who is ill physically or spiritually. In Holy Week we all partake of this Annointing in a very long ceremony, and in it, forgotten sins are cleansed. So while the service of Annointing would be used for someone who is in danger of dying, it is not really 'last rites'.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Lanie on June 06, 2005, 07:03:07 PM
Interestingly enough no one also talks about Maria having her tonsils removed in December 1914 (I believe it was December!  THere's a note from Maria to Alix talking about how she's feeling better but she's still swollen, etc); she haemorrhaged (spelled it wrong, I know!) and the doctor was agitated and Alix calmly told him to continue the operation.  Maria was probably a symptomatic hemophilia carrier, although she was the healthiest of the Imperial children (how odd! and sad!).
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: RealAnastasia on June 06, 2005, 09:16:03 PM
I read somewhere (most likely "Nicholas and Alexandra" by Robert K. Massie) that Tatiana was almost deaf because of  her measles and that she only knew her father abdication after Alix wrote it in a paper to her to read. When the Empress explain the fact to her, speaking, she didn't hear a single word... :-/ My own grandaunty had measles when little girl, and she is partially deaf .

RealAnastasia
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Lanie on June 06, 2005, 09:19:24 PM
I've read Tatiana talking about her deafness from a letter from Tobolsk in late 1917, early 1918; she said that she was only half deaf in one ear and her hearing was much better, etc etc.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarastasia on July 18, 2008, 12:47:09 PM
I think Olga and Alexei got sick first, then Tatiana, then Anastasia and finally Maria who had double pneumonia on top of it and was given oxygen.  Maria and Olga were the two that were deathly ill, Maria moreso than Olga with the pneumonia.

So in which order did they recover? Presumably, Olga and Maria last...
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on July 18, 2008, 01:08:19 PM
The Big Pair and Aleksei recovered first, followed by Anastasia and then Maria. Olga had the highest fever and pericarditis, Tatiana had abcesses in her ears, and Maria had double pneumonia. Anastasia and Aleksei presumably had run-of-the-mill measles.

When Kerensky visited, the Little Pair were still sick in bed, but Olga, Tatiana, and Aleksei were all well enough to meet him with their parents.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: EmmyLee on July 18, 2008, 02:39:53 PM
This was a very good question, Sarushka. I hadn't thought much about the order in which the children got the measles. And especially the point Elisabeth made about Nicholas and Alexandra having to deal with Maria's possible death so soon after the abdication. The children's illnesses must have put such a strain on the already stressed family.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarastasia on July 18, 2008, 03:18:47 PM
This 'double pneumonia' that you refer to, what is it? Is it just pneumonia in both lungs as opposed to just one??
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: LisaDavidson on July 18, 2008, 03:47:20 PM
This 'double pneumonia' that you refer to, what is it? Is it just pneumonia in both lungs as opposed to just one??

Yes, that's exactly what it is. We almost lost my baby sister to this many years ago. With care at the City of Hope, she pulled through and went on to have two children of her own and one grandchild so far.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on July 18, 2008, 04:21:57 PM
This was a very good question, Sarushka. I hadn't thought much about the order in which the children got the measles. And especially the point Elisabeth made about Nicholas and Alexandra having to deal with Maria's possible death so soon after the abdication. The children's illnesses must have put such a strain on the already stressed family.

In fact, if the children hadn't been ill the empress and OTMAA might have been able to flee Tsarskoye Selo before the tsar had even abdicated. When Rodzianko recommended they prepare to leave, Dr. Botkin informed the empress that the Big Pair were still too sick to be transported without risking their lives.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Marie-Catherine on July 19, 2008, 08:04:50 AM
This mean that they could have escaped from  the execution.. How ironic it is !
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Michael HR on July 19, 2008, 11:47:22 AM
If only they could have. History might have changed from what we know today. If they had got away from Tsarkoe Nicholas would not have had to go there and they ccould have gone to Livadia perhaps. If only...

This was a very good question, Sarushka. I hadn't thought much about the order in which the children got the measles. And especially the point Elisabeth made about Nicholas and Alexandra having to deal with Maria's possible death so soon after the abdication. The children's illnesses must have put such a strain on the already stressed family.

In fact, if the children hadn't been ill the empress and OTMAA might have been able to flee Tsarskoye Selo before the tsar had even abdicated. When Rodzianko recommended they prepare to leave, Dr. Botkin informed the empress that the Big Pair were still too sick to be transported without risking their lives.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on July 19, 2008, 12:27:37 PM
And if they had, we might not even be talking about them today. Where there's blood there's ink, as the saying goes...
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: EmmyLee on July 19, 2008, 12:35:32 PM
Wow, that's an interesting thought. It is rather ironic that had the children been healthy at the time, they could have left the palace and escaped execution! Sarushka, you are completely right with that saying. Had the family not been executed, they would not be nearly so well known.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: nena on July 19, 2008, 09:44:11 PM
It is interesting. Didn't Maria be able to help his brother and sisters, I read she stayed most healthly, than OTAA.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on July 19, 2008, 10:52:12 PM
In general yes, Maria was the healthiest and strongest of the children -- with the exception of the 1917 measles outbreak.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Padawan Ryan on July 20, 2008, 12:30:27 AM
In general, Maria was known to be the healthiest of them all,
With the exception of the measles outbreak...but I also read that
When she had her tonsils removed, she bled more than any other
Of her sisters have been noted to bleed (Alexei not included, of course).
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Raegan on August 06, 2008, 01:37:29 PM
In response to who had measles when, Olga wrote in her 1917 diary that both she and Alexei fell ill on February 23rd. Tatiana became sick the following day. She then went on to write that Anastasia also eventually fell ill, followed by Maria. 
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on August 06, 2008, 06:32:27 PM
More precise dates (old style) for the Little Pair's illness are given in the Russian edition of Alexandra's diary. Anastasia had a bit of a temperature on the morning of 28 February, but seems to have held out until the morning of 2 March. Maria was ill by 8 March. Alexandra made no entries on 6 or 7 March, so it's possible Maria was confined to bed prior to the 8th.

It looks like Anna Vyrubova caught measles from the children sometime between 24 and 27 February. Again, there are gaps in the diary, but Vyrubova was certainly ill on or before the 27th.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: nena on August 07, 2008, 07:12:43 AM
Nicholas came back from Mogilev to Tsarskoe Selo on February 22nd. - same day Aleksei was ill.

Count/General Voyeykov wrote about:
Aleksei was very kind , in spite of his illiness. That was last time I saw him.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on August 07, 2008, 07:22:08 AM
According to Alexandra's diary, Nicholas arrived home after the abdication on 9/22 March. Aleksei was nearly recovered by then.


When Nicholas left TS to go to Mogilev on 22 February, Aleksei was still well. Nicholas wrote to Alexandra on 23 February: "We had a good talk for an hour; after that I arranged my rooms & got your wire about Olga's & Baby's measles. I could not believe my eyes -- so unexpected was that news, especially after his own telegram where he says that he is feeling well!"
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: nena on August 07, 2008, 07:25:36 AM
According to Alexandra's diary, Nicholas arrived home after the abdication on 9/22 March. Aleksei was nearly recovered by then.
Yep-you're right, he first came on February 22nd (to TS) , then he came back to Satvka, and finally came back to TS on March 22nd. Am I right?  :D Or?

It was said Nicholas and Alix hugged each other and cried. What a beautiful and sad moment.......
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on August 07, 2008, 07:45:18 AM
Yes Nena, you're correct.


More information from The Complete Wartime Correspondence:

24 Feb:
"At 10 went over to sit with Ania (she looked like measles -- 37.7 cough strong, throat aches, may be angina)..."
"Well, Ania has the measles, at 3 [o'clock] she had 38.3 -- Tatiana too & also 38.3."

2 March:
"Olga 37.7, T.[atiana] 37.9 & her ear begins to ache, An.[astasia] 37.2 for the med.[icine] they gave her for head ailments[,] pryamidon."
(This is the empress's first mention of Anastasia's illness; she did not write to the tsar on 1 March, but since there are no recordings of Anastasia's temperature on 1 March, her dairy suggests Anastasia was still well that day.)

In her last letter to the tsar on 4 March, Alexandra mentions that Maria is still well:
"All 4 [sick ones] are lying in the green room in the dark, [daughter] Marie & I are writing, scarcely seeing anything with the curtains drawn."
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Michael HR on August 07, 2008, 09:05:28 AM
Why did they need to shave the hair off with this illness. I am sure I had this as a child and do not remember being shaved?
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: nena on August 07, 2008, 11:17:09 AM
Why did they need to shave the hair off with this illness. I am sure I had this as a child and do not remember being shaved?
Cause their hair fell out slowly, they couldn't stop it. Alexandra said it's best to shave OTMA. But Aleksei wanted it, too.

He wrote in his diary(june 1917) Alexandra was angry with him because of his wish to be shaved.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Peterhof on August 07, 2008, 12:01:22 PM
That's right, it seems to be the result of the high fever (correct me if I'm wrong, please).  Once you recover from measles, and comb your hair, you find a whole section of your hair is now in the comb.  The thing is that the lost of hair is not uniform and doesn't look good at all, best solution is cut it all and it will grow uniformly.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on August 07, 2008, 04:53:13 PM
According to Gilliard, their hair had been shaved by 9/22 June.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Holly on August 07, 2008, 07:57:23 PM
It's kind of strange they gave Anastasia pyramidon. It is an old medicine against pain and fever; kind of like aspirin and quite dangerous. But I guess they didn't know that back then.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on August 07, 2008, 08:16:44 PM
Is there any chance that pyramidon might have caused their hair loss....?
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Holly on August 07, 2008, 09:27:00 PM
Mm... I don't think so, but I'm not completely sure. I've always heard that their hair loss was a combination of medication and high fevers but I've never heard of any medicines causing such hair loss. I bet it was simply the high fevers. I remember reading once that measles itself could cause hair loss but I can't figure out where I read it.
Measles can also cause pneumonia and delirium so I guess that's probably how Maria got it.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on August 07, 2008, 09:39:19 PM
And tramping through the snow at midnight is subzero temperatures after being exposed to the virus probably didn't help much....
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Raegan on August 14, 2008, 10:17:38 AM
It looks like Anna Vyrubova caught measles from the children sometime between 24 and 27 February. Again, there are gaps in the diary, but Vyrubova was certainly ill on or before the 27th.

The way Olga wrote in her diary makes it sound like Anya became ill the same day she did. From Olga’s diary dated March 15, 1917: On the 23rd at breakfast got sick with measles -was put to bed. Aleksei during the day, and Anya too.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Raegan on August 14, 2008, 11:48:42 AM
More precise dates (old style) for the Little Pair's illness are given in the Russian edition of Alexandra's diary. Anastasia had a bit of a temperature on the morning of 28 February, but seems to have held out until the morning of 2 March. Maria was ill by 8 March. Alexandra made no entries on 6 or 7 March, so it's possible Maria was confined to bed prior to the 8th.

Forgot to add to this. This is what Olga wrote: Shvybz got sick on the 2-nd, M.[arch] – Maria 7-th.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Raegan on August 14, 2008, 11:51:21 AM
Measles can also cause pneumonia and delirium so I guess that's probably how Maria got it.

Really? I wasn't aware of that.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 14, 2008, 01:51:12 PM
From Mayo Clinic website:

Measles symptoms and signs appear 10 to 12 days after exposure to the virus. They typically include:

Fever
Dry cough
Runny nose
Inflamed eyes (conjunctivitis)
Sensitivity to light
Tiny red spots with bluish-white centers found inside the mouth on the inner lining of the cheek, called Koplik's spots
A skin rash made up of large, flat blotches that often flow into one another

The course of the measles virus

Measles typically begins with a mild to moderate fever, accompanied by other signs and symptoms, such as a persistent cough, runny nose, inflamed eyes (conjunctivitis) and sore throat. Two or three days later, Koplik's spots — a characteristic sign of measles — appear. Then a fever spikes, often as high as 104 or 105 F. At the same time, a red blotchy rash appears, usually on the face, along the hairline and behind the ears. This slightly itchy rash rapidly spreads downward to the chest and back and, finally, to your thighs and feet. After about a week, the rash fades in the same sequence that it appeared.

Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on December 09, 2009, 02:00:23 PM
More precise dates (old style) for the Little Pair's illness are given in the Russian edition of Alexandra's diary. Anastasia had a bit of a temperature on the morning of 28 February, but seems to have held out until the morning of 2 March. Maria was ill by 8 March. Alexandra made no entries on 6 or 7 March, so it's possible Maria was confined to bed prior to the 8th.

It looks like Anna Vyrubova caught measles from the children sometime between 24 and 27 February. Again, there are gaps in the diary, but Vyrubova was certainly ill on or before the 27th.

At the time I made this post, I was working from an abridged edition of Alexandra's 1917 diary. I have a complete diary now, and it confirms the information Raegan posted from Olga's diary about the Little Pair's illness: Anastasia's fever began with a reading of 37.2 on the morning of 2 March, and Maria had a temperature of 37.7 by noon on 7 March.

Alexandra began recording Vyrubova's temperature at 3:00pm on 24 February.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on December 09, 2009, 09:38:04 PM
According to Gilliard, their hair had been shaved by 9/22 June.

FINALLY found the precise date of OTMA's hair being shaved in Nicholas & Alexandra's diaries:

Alexandra Feodorovna, 3/16 June
Всех четверых девочек обрили наголо, так как после кори стали сильно выпадать волосы.
(All four girls were shaved bald, because after measles much of their hair fell out.)

Nicholas II, 3/16 June
Все четыре дочери сбрили себе волосы, так как после кори они сильно лезли.
(All four daughters shaved their hair, because after measles it fell out badly.)


And on the following day, Alexandra notes: "Aleksei had his hair also complete shaved off."
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: nena on December 10, 2009, 04:36:44 AM
Interesting. But the difference that Alexei wanted to be shaved there is funny scene in which he almost begged Alexandra to allow him to be shaved.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Kalafrana on December 10, 2009, 05:20:21 AM
So the head-shaving was about three months after they had measles.

Interesting that Alexei actually wanted his head shaved! Presumably it wasn't because he was fed up with his existing haircuts, because all pictures taken after he was four or five show him with sensible boyish haircuts.

Incidentally, I had measles when I was three and certainly kept my hair (though quite possibly I didn't have it all that badly).

Ann
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: nena on December 10, 2009, 06:11:01 AM
Well, I think Alexei had several haircuts before 1917. Even in 1916, I noticed that his hair was cut off almost all. In the photo with Russian teacher Petrov, seated on the chair, for example. `
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Clemence on December 21, 2009, 01:20:58 PM
Did the children have german measles while being in Tobolsk? I read this in the Rappaport book.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on December 21, 2009, 02:44:50 PM
Did the children have german measles while being in Tobolsk? I read this in the Rappaport book.

Yes, that's correct. According to Alexandra's diary, Olga & Tatiana came down with rubella (German measles) on 1st January, Aleksei on the 3rd, and Maria on the 4th. All had recovered by 8th January, and then Anastasia finally came down with rubella on the 15th. She was well by the 19th.

(All dates are Old Style.)
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Clemence on December 23, 2009, 02:04:19 PM
well, my thoughts when I first read this was that maybe they lost their hair once more (which would confuse the dates for us)?
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on December 23, 2009, 07:53:32 PM
well, my thoughts when I first read this was that maybe they lost their hair once more (which would confuse the dates for us)?

As far as I know their heads were only shaved once, with no further hair loss.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Belochka on December 23, 2009, 08:04:29 PM
As far as I know their heads were only shaved once, with no further hair loss.

Sarushka, with apologies but I can only note the funny side of your comment.

; )

Margarita
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on December 23, 2009, 08:50:02 PM
Ha ha, I must agree with Belochka.

Dear Sarah, your comment sounds something like - "their heads were being slightly cut off only once, with no subsequent unnecessary complications";)))
English are rather simple and understandable language, but sometimes, even innocent English phrase can be very funny;))
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Sarushka on December 24, 2009, 07:32:49 AM
I suppose once a head has been sheared, further loss or growth of hair becomes a moot point... ;o)
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: nena on May 19, 2010, 11:08:17 AM
According to Vladimir Nicholaieich Voeikov in his book ' S Tsarem i Bez Tsarya (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=92&startat=61)' Alexei got infected by cadet Zehnya Makarov, not by Kolia Derevenko, who lived at that time at Tsarskoe Selo (both Makarov and Kolia )- there was an infection in his corps, and accidentally the boy was given the permission to entrance the Alexander Palace, when he 'infected' Tsarevich'.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Dust_of_History on May 19, 2010, 02:59:39 PM
Yes, I think that's correct. As far as I know, Kolya infected Alexei with rubella when he was already in Tobolsk.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: TimM on May 20, 2010, 08:03:35 AM
Why were their heads shaved?  That's not done today?
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: RHB on May 20, 2010, 10:39:15 AM
due to meds at the time their hair was falling out  so it was decided that it would be better to just shave their heads! (if I remember a letter of Tatiana she mentioned something about "we four went to shave our heads as about half of Maria's hair has fallen out" or something like that! But hey sometimes they had a good laugh with it (Gilliard's photo to be a very good example and it was Olga's idea)! If you go back a couple pages you'll find the answer but i thought i'd just repost it! You might even find more out... by the way i think you'll find Tatiana's letter about the shave in the thread about her diary and letters!
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: TimM on May 20, 2010, 03:25:35 PM
Yeah, I guess meds back then were pretty primitive.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: RHB on March 12, 2011, 03:14:57 AM
I've read Tatiana talking about her deafness from a letter from Tobolsk in late 1917, early 1918; she said that she was only half deaf in one ear and her hearing was much better, etc etc.

Is it possible for someone to please post the letter?
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: bestfriendsgirl on March 12, 2011, 04:05:49 PM
I've always been struck by the severity of illnesses back then - NII and Tatiana's typhoid, the measles, etc. - things people just don't get anymore, at least not in most developed countries. I've always wondered, too, if the Imperial children, who had access to the finest medical care available at the time, could become so ill and suffer secondary conditions such as ear abcesses, etc., what must it have been like for anyday, everyday children?
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Alexander1917 on March 13, 2011, 10:14:07 AM
Yeah, I guess meds back then were pretty primitive.

I think it is not the problem if "primitive medicine knowledge" it depents when you caught such "childen sicks". the saving of hair and loss of hair depents on the hight fever.
I know that I was nearly "dylíng" when I caught chicken pox at the age of 30. those more or less "harmless" childen sicks became more dangerous when you are older - think of malformations if you're pregnant.
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: Kalafrana on March 13, 2011, 01:18:26 PM
Bear in mind that typhoid was and remains a killer, and its incidence has only been reduced by immunisation. apparently, it wasn't all that uncommon in St Petersburg in the late 19th - early 20th century, because the water supply wasn't terribly hygienic.

Measles varies greatly in severity (I had it when I was three, but not all that badly). I wonder whether Nicholas's children had it badly in part because the relatively isolated lives they led meant that their immune systems weren't all that efficient.

Ann
Title: Re: Who had measles when?
Post by: bestfriendsgirl on March 13, 2011, 05:42:03 PM
I wonder whether Nicholas's children had it badly in part because the relatively isolated lives they led meant that their immune systems weren't all that efficient.

Ann

Good point!