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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Marie Feodorovna => Topic started by: Ursula C on September 03, 2004, 12:55:02 PM

Title: Reburial of Empress Marie & her final resting place in Russia
Post by: Ursula C on September 03, 2004, 12:55:02 PM
In The Article on the Alexander Palace about the return of the Dowager Empress it says " The Romanovs, and our royal family will be involved" which royal family is that? i thought that this site was American?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Forum Admin on September 03, 2004, 12:56:55 PM
If you read the article closely, you would have seen that this information was sent to us from Denmark, and was referring to the Danish Royal Family.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: grandduchessella on September 04, 2004, 12:08:00 PM
From the North County Times (in California)
Denmark to return remains of Czarina Maria Feodorovna to Russia

By: Associated Press

COPENHAGEN, Denmark ---- The remains of Danish-born Czarina Maria Feodorovna, mother of the assassinated Nicholas II, will be returned to Russia and laid to rest with her family in St. Petersburg, Denmark's government said Wednesday.

Born in 1847 in Copenhagen, Feodorovna, originally Danish Princess Dagmar, married Czar Alexander III in 1866 and had six children, including Nicholas II. When the Bolshevik revolution swept Russia in 1917, she fled St. Petersburg.

"I am happy, very happy," said Prince Dmitry Romanov, a descendant who lives in Denmark. "Finally she can be put to rest next to her husband which was her wish."

Feodorovna was the sister of King Frederik VIII of Denmark, Britain's Queen Alexandra and King George I of Greece. She returned to Denmark in 1919 and lived there until her death in 1928.

She was buried at the Roskilde Cathedral ---- 25 miles west of the capital where dozens of Danish kings and queens are buried.

In a letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin, Danish Queen Margrethe wrote that she "would not stand in the way" of the Romanov's family wishes.

The letter was given to Russian Ambassador Dmitry B. Ryurikov Wednesday by Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller.

In the missive, Denmark asked that the reburial be "carried out in a dignified and respectful way."

Moeller said the remains cannot be touched and any DNA analysis is forbidden.

In 1991, the remains of Nicholas II, his wife, Alexandra, and their five children were exhumed and reburied in the gilded, 18th-century cathedral in 1998. They were killed by a firing squad in 1918 in the Siberian city of Yekaterinburg. Their bodies were burned, doused with acid, and thrown into a pit outside the city.

After the 1991 Soviet collapse, Romanov family members had asked Margrethe to repatriate Maria Feodorovna's remains, Romanov told the AP. Romanov is the great-great grandson of Czar Nicholas I who was the great-grandfather of Nicholas II, Russia's last emperor.

Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: good-doctor on July 21, 2005, 12:20:06 AM
I am interested in attending the reburial of Empress Marie in St. Petersburg next year.  Anyone have knowledge as to how the public may acquire admission to the cermony?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lucien on October 10, 2005, 10:29:40 PM
From the website of the Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs,dd october 10th 2005.

A memorandum was signed in Moscow on the 10th of this month 2005 regarding the re-burial
of HIM The Empress Dowager Marie Feodorovna.

The schedule(so far):

Saturday september 23th 2005:

A memorial service at Roskilde Cathedral,the Danish Royal Family will be in attendance.

A Danish warship will take the coffin to Russia.

Tuesday the 26th of september:

Arrival of the coffin at Peterhof,and Laying-in-State at the Alexander Newskij Cathedral,
where the public can pay their last respects.

Thursday,september 28th 2005:

The coffin of HIM will be transferred to the Cathedral of St.Isac,St.Petersburg and from there
in a procession to the Cathedral of St.Peter and St.Paul.

TTRRHH The Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary will be in attendance in St.Petersburg
as the representatives of the Danish Royal House.

website of the Danish Foreign Ministry:
http://www.um.dk/da/servicemenu/Nyheder/ForsideNyheder/

(please click on Genbegravelse Kejserinde Dagmar)
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lucien on October 10, 2005, 11:26:53 PM
As she is referred to in Danish.

Monday the 10th of october 2005,a memorandum was signed between representatives of the Danish and Russian Foreign Ministries regarding the re-burial of HIM The Empress Dowager Marie Feodorovna,néé Princess Dagmar.

The schedule(so far):

Saturday,september 23rd 2006:
A memorial service at Roskilde Cathedral with the Danish Royal Family in attendance.

A Danish warship will take the coffin to Russia.

Tuesday,september 26th:
Arrival of the coffin at Peterhof,and Lying-in-State at the Alexander Newskij Cathedral,
were the public can pay their last respects the following day.

Thursday,september 28th:
The coffin will be transferred to the Cathedral of St.Isac in St.Petersburg,
and from there in procession to the Cathedral of St.Peter and St.Paul.

TTRRHH Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary will be in attendance as the representatives of the Danish Royal House.

The website of the Danish Foreign Ministry(sorry,only in Danish):

http://www.um.dk/da/servicemenu/Nyheder/ForsideNyheder/

please click on:Genbegravelse af Kejserinde Dagmar.

(Note:I've tryed to post this under the Marie Feodorovna thread,but somehow that is impossiblee).
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: grandduchessella on October 11, 2005, 01:02:52 AM
It showed up on there L. I'm the moderator and so I went to check to see the problem but your message was already there.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: doug__h on November 26, 2005, 04:33:57 PM
There seems to be some confusion regarding the year. I understood the return was for Sept 2006. The timing was to celebrate the 140th anniversary ....to the day....of her arrival in Russia.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: nichka on February 26, 2006, 05:33:09 PM
Hello.  According to this site and a couple other royalty sites, it seems like this momentous occasion is scheduled for September 26, 2006.  But the most recent date of such postings is January 2004.  Does anyone know if September 26 is still valid?  And if so, does anyone know in particular what parts of the proceedings will be open to the public?  I am interested in participating.  Thank you!
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Kristin on March 19, 2006, 08:13:03 AM
I also want to be in St. Petersburg for that event.  I have started working with a private guide there for other activities as well.

She was surprised at the September date.  She thought it was in July.  Here's her info back to me.

I finally managed to speak with the proper person and here is what I learned;

- you are right that at the moment the burial ceremony is set for the 26th of September, BUT the official date of Nicolas the Second family funeral changed 4(!) times so there is no guarantee that this time the date will not change. Besides there is NOTHING ready at the moment – even a plan of the ceremony, so…

- On the date of funeral the fortress will be closed for the visitors. Only officials with the special pass and Romanov family members (again with the pass) will be allowed in. There is no doubt about it.


I was surprised that the burial was the 26th, I thought the remains were coming into Peterhof on the 26th.  So it's still anybody's guess.  I am going to hedge my bets and go with whatever the Danes say.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: nichka on March 20, 2006, 12:07:34 PM
Thank you!  Let's all try to remember to update this posting if we hear any further details.  Scary that they don't even have anything planned yet, and September is not that far off.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Zanthia on March 28, 2006, 02:56:13 PM
I don't think there's any chance that I can be in Skt. Petersburg for her reburial :(, but I hope I'll be able to at least visit her grave in Roskilde Cathedral, before she is moved back to Russia and her dear Alexander.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Dasha_Ann on April 09, 2006, 03:45:12 AM
This is probably too old, from the looks of the previous posts, but this was on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Denmark’s website.  It was edited on 11/13/2005, but it does state the date is on September 28, 2006.  If this has already been posted I apologize.

http://www.ambmoskva.um.dk/en/menu/Embassy/news/ReburialOfTheEmpressDowagerMariaFeodorovnaSigningDanish-RussianMemorandum.htm
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Dasha_Ann on April 09, 2006, 03:50:09 AM
I am also interested in attending the public service.  If anyone is planning to attend and would like some company, let me know.  I am planning on attending, but would rather go in a group since I am a BIG chicken.   ;D
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lemur on April 15, 2006, 08:36:17 PM
I don't like the idea of digging up and reburying her. It's rather macabre. Let her rest in peace, it's been such a long time.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: pookiepie on April 17, 2006, 11:53:31 AM
why are they reburying her? where is she buried now?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 17, 2006, 12:00:25 PM
Next to her husband Sasha in St. Petersburg. She is currently at the chuch is Roshike. Her coffin is open for the people to see and say goodbye. She will be moved on her last voyage on 26th August. I might go to Denmark to see her off... :'(
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 17, 2006, 12:01:56 PM
Sorry I mean the room where her coffin is laid in the church will be open. Not the coffin itself. Sorry for the mistake.  :P
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: GD Alexandra on April 19, 2006, 10:57:15 PM
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Sorry I mean the room where her coffin is laid in the church will be open. Not the coffin itself.
ah...you make me beleive for one moment that the coffin itself was going to be open... :-X
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 21, 2006, 08:15:39 PM
Well...It is still nice to see the coffin, after that it will be lowered into the crypt...
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Dominic_Albanese on April 22, 2006, 05:55:34 PM
I don't think that the coffin is on display - Dagmar's crypt is open to the public(it always has been closed).  Her coffin sits in a stone (or maybe it is wood - its hard to tell - for a picture see Coryne Hall's Little Mother of Russia) sarcophagus      

Here are a couple of articles related to this:

http://www.cphpost.dk/get/79763.html

Cathedral opens crypt to public
01.07.2004
  
Following years of speculation, a firm date has been set for the transfer of the remains of Czarina Maria Feodorovna (née Dagmar of Denmark) to Russia, to be re-interred alongside her husband, Czar Alexander III. Ahead of the historic 2006 move, the Danish public will have the opportunity to pay respects at Dagmar's newly opened crypt, where the dowager empress' polished wood casket has lain since her death in 1928.

'The interest among Danes as well as Russians has been enormous. I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot of visitors here,' said Roskilde Cathedral museum inspector Anette Kruse.

Kruse told daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten last week that the local parish council in Roskilde had received special permission from the Royal Court to open the crypt to the public.

Descendants of Alexander III's younger brother led a campaign to repatriate Dagmar's remains to Russia. In 2001, Nikolai Romanov appealed to Queen Margrethe, who gave her permission for the late empress' remains to be moved to the Cathedral of Peter and Paul in St. Petersburg, traditional resting place for the Romanov czars.

Negotiations stalled when Russian President Vladimir Putin cancelled an official visit to Denmark in 2002, protesting the country's decision to host the Chechen World Congress, and Denmark's refusal to extradite exiled Chechen dignitary Akmed Sakajev.

Relations between the two countries eventually normalised, as Foreign Minister Per Stig Møller resumed talks with his Russian colleague, and Queen Margrethe sent a written appeal to President Putin. The diplomatic crisis led to a minor delay in the planned transfer of Dagmar's sarcophagus, which is now slated to take place in 2006, marking the 140th anniversary of the Danish born princess' arrival in Russia.

Anette Kruse told Jyllands-Posten that transferring Dagmar's remains to Russia was 'the right thing to do.'

'This is the reunion of a married couple, so why should Denmark stand in the way? We've also had the pleasure of reuniting royal spouses,' said Kruse, noting that King Christian II's bride, Isabella of Burgundy, died and was buried in Ghent. Her remains were later transferred to Odense following a diplomatic request.

'Of course it's a little sad for Roskilde Cathedral to lose the Empress. But despite the interest in her life, I don't think it will impact the volume of visitors to the church,' said Kruse.
 

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http://www.cphpost.dk/get/79480.html

Roskilde Cathedral opens Dagmar's crypt  
24.06.2004
  
In 2006, the sarcophagus of Danish-born Czarina Dagmar will be re-interred in Russia, alongside her late husband Czar Alexander III. Ahead of the move, Roskilde Cathedral has opened Dagmar's crypt to the public  
  
Following years of speculation, a firm date has been set for the transfer of the remains of Czarina Maria Feodorovna (née Dagmar of Denmark) to Russia, to be re-interred alongside her husband, Czar Alexander III. Ahead of the historic 2006 move, the Danish public will have the opportunity to pay respects at Dagmar's newly opened crypt, where the dowager empress's polished wood casket has lain since her death in 1928.

"The interest among Danes as well as Russians has been enormous. I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot of visitors here," said Roskilde Cathedral museum inspector Anette Kruse.

Kruse told daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten that the local parish council in Roskilde had received special permission from the Royal Court to open the crypt to the public.

Descendants of Alexander III's younger brother led a campaign to repatriate Dagmar's remains to Russia. In 2001, Nikolai Romanov appealed to Queen Margrethe, who gave her permission for the late empress's remains to be moved to the Cathedral of Peter and Paul in St. Petersburg, traditional resting place for the Romanov czars.

Negotiations stalled when Russian President Vladimir Putin cancelled an official visit to Denmark in 2002, protesting the country's decision to host the Chechen World Congress, and Denmark's refusal to extradite exiled Chechen dignitary Akmed Sakajev.

Relations between the two countries eventually normalized, as Foreign Minister Per Stig Møller resumed talks with his Russian colleague, and Queen Margrethe sent a written appeal to President Putin. The diplomatic crisis led to a minor delay in the planned transfer of Dagmar's sarcophagus, which is now slated to take place in 2006, marking the 140th anniversary of the Danish born princess's arrival in Russia.

Anette Kruse told Jyllands-Posten that transferring Dagmar's remains to Russia was "the right thing to do."

"This is the reunion of a married couple, so why should Denmark stand in the way? We've also had the pleasure of reuniting royal spouses," said Kruse, noting that King Christian II's bride, Isabella of Burgundy, died and was buried in Ghent. Her remains were later transferred to Odense following a diplomatic request.

"Of course it's a little sad for Roskilde Cathedral to lose the Empress. But despite the interest in her life, I don't
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: kmerov on April 24, 2006, 07:40:00 AM
MF's coffin is made of wood. She lies in a private family crypt that contains several other members of the Danish RF.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Tania+ on April 24, 2006, 02:05:24 PM
I see no difficulty, if indeed the couple had made plans to be buried together. All the more if the Royal Danish House has no reason to the reburial, then I feel iho they should be. To have one's wishes carried through in terms of burial, should be honored.

Tatiana+
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 24, 2006, 09:49:03 PM
Yes...the technical word is when the time is ripe....is it ?  :-?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Tania+ on April 25, 2006, 02:56:41 AM
Hi Eric,

i'm somewhat wondering in your question, if by your using the word technical, are you really meaning is it within a politically correct time frame ?

Guess two reasons I thought it seemed ok was purely from the understanding that the IF has been given official burial, and my second reason, because the Royal Danish Family thought it was the right time. I'm sure before the Dowager Empress death, she must have made statement that if at all possible for her body to be buried in Russia. But, back to your question,
'is it the right time'? I don't know, except to say, it would be only in respect of the Dowager Empress right to be buried alongside her husband. Thanks for letting me share my thoughts.

Tatiana+
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 25, 2006, 06:17:26 AM
The Dowager Empress made her wishes during a period of unrest in Russia, so it was always understood she will be ging back when the time is right. Is the time right now ? I guess since Nicholas II and his family were reburied, it seemed that Minny should rejoin her beloved Sasha in St. Petersburg.  ::)  
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: TzarinaAlex on May 07, 2006, 11:56:06 AM
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 I am glad to hear that she will reburied next to her Sasha. Nicky and Alex were reburied finally being murdered together nearly 90 yrs ago in the Fortess of Saint and Paul, why shouldn't Minny? She gave herself to the people of Russia as Grand Duchess to Sasha, then as His Empress for 13 years.her only fault lay in her persecution of Alexandra Fedorovona, but on the whole she did all she could even ( the books say) with privatley interceding with Edward 7th through his wife Qeen Alexandra to keep Russia in the Entante Cordiale... she should be accorded the honors of laying next to her beloved husband she earned it!!!!
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: kmerov on May 20, 2006, 07:33:58 AM
Latest press release is that the ceremony in Denmark will be attended by the Danish Royal family, Government and Russian Church on 23. september. Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary will attend the funeral in Skt. Petersburg on September 28.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Belochka on May 20, 2006, 07:50:04 AM
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Latest press release is that the ceremony in Denmark will be attended by the Danish Royal family, Government and Russian Church on 23. september. Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary will attend the funeral in Skt. Petersburg on September 28.

Thank you for this information kmerov.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: leslie on May 22, 2006, 09:18:32 AM
Arturo Beeche, publisher of the European Royal History Journal, is taking a small group of people to St. Petersburg for 10 days in September 2006.  We will be there during the time of the reburial.  I haven't seen the complete itinerary yet but I'm hoping we will at least get to watch the procession.  I'm already counting the weeks until we go.  My first trip overseas!  
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 22, 2006, 12:29:41 PM
I think you should check the itinary for details.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Dominic_Albanese on June 14, 2006, 08:46:57 PM
Nothing particularly new, but a couple of recent articles on Maria's reburial.  Enjoy, DCA

http://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/14-06-2006/81945-czar-0

Mother of last czar to brought from Denmark, reburied in St. Petersburg
 
14.06.2006 Source:  URL: http://english.pravda.ru/russia/81945-czar-0

The remains of the mother of Russia's last czar will be brought from Denmark to St. Petersburg in September for reburial, Russian officials said Tuesday.

Russian heritage council spokesman Georgy Vilinbakhov said saying that Empress Maria Feodorovna would be brought to Russia's imperial capital on Sept. 26, and a burial ceremony would take place two days later in her family's vault in the Peter and Paul Fortress.

The Danish Foreign Ministry said last month that Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary would attend the reburial. Culture Minister Alexander Sokolov said President Vladimir Putin or other top Russian officials might also participate.

"First and foremost, we are fulfilling the wishes of Alexander, because there is an empty place next to his grave for his spouse," Sokolov said in televised comments.

Maria, the mother of Czar Nicholas II, was buried in 1928 in her native Denmark, where she lived after emigrating from Russia during the Revolution.

Born in 1847, Maria was the Danish Princess Dagmar before marrying Russian Czar Alexander III.

Nicholas II and his family were killed on July 17, 1918, some 16 months after he abdicated the throne. Nicholas' remains were ceremoniously buried in 1998 in the St. Petersburg fortress and he was canonized by the Orthodox Church in 2000.

President Vladimir Putin formally asked Denmark's Queen Margrethe four years ago for the body to be returned, but talks briefly stalled after Danish courts refused to extradite Chechen rebel envoy Akhmed Zakayev to Russia and Putin canceled a planned state visit to Denmark.

Maria was also the sister of King Frederik VIII of Denmark, Britain's Queen Alexandra and King George I of Greece, reports AP.

 
AND:

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060613/49417822.html

Former Russian empress to be reburied in St. Petersburg Sept. 28
 16:33 | 13/ 06/ 2006
  
MOSCOW, June 13 (RIA Novosti) - The wife of Emperor Alexander III, interred in Copenhagen after her death 78 years ago, will be reburied in St. Petersburg September 28, Russia's top culture official said Tuesday.

The governments of Russia and Denmark agreed last year that Empress Maria Fyodorovna's remains should be returned to St. Petersburg to be re-interred in the Sts. Peter and Paul Cathedral next to the remains of her husband and other members of the Romanov dynasty.

"The interdepartmental working group for the reburial of Empress Maria Fyodorovna held its final session today to sum up the results of two years' work," Culture and Mass Communications Minister Alexander Sokolov said.

He said the group had finalized documentation including a memorandum of understanding with Denmark's Foreign Ministry.

The empress' remains will be brought to St. Petersburg by ship September 26, 2006, and reburied two days later at the cathedral in the city's landmark Peter and Paul Fortress, which houses the remains of almost all Russia's pre-Revolutionary rulers from Peter the Great onwards.

Danish Princess Marie Sophie Frederikke Dagmar (1847-1928), baptized a Lutheran, took the name Maria Fyodorovna when she converted to the Orthodoxy before marrying Alexander III. Her father became King of Denmark six days after her wedding.

Despite the overthrow of the monarchy in 1917, Empress Maria did not leave Russia for her native Denmark until 1919.

Maria Fyodorovna's son - Russia's last emperor, Nicholas II - and her daughter-in-law and grandchildren were killed by the Bolsheviks in 1918, but until her death, she refused to acknowledge the massacre had ever taken place.

On July 17, 1998 the remains of the emperor, his family and servants were reburied in the chapel of St. Great Martyr Catherine in the Sts. Peter and Paul Cathedral.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2006, 09:15:16 PM
Thanks for the info.  ;)
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: AlexieNichole on July 30, 2006, 11:16:16 PM
Has anyone seen any update on this or anything new?  Its not that far away really.  I checked the St Petersburg Times and nothing there either.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 31, 2006, 12:44:42 AM
I think Arturo at Eurohistory has a tour scheduled for this event.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 31, 2006, 01:34:27 AM
Indeed ! He said only 2 seats available now...
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: AlexieNichole on July 31, 2006, 01:09:55 PM
Wow, they're having a tour just for the event?  Thats great.  Too bad I can't go.  I keep hoping to save up enough to go with my son in 2018 July
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 31, 2006, 08:59:04 PM
2018 ? I don't think it is that expensive !
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 31, 2006, 09:06:25 PM
Eric, I think that is the date they want to go, not the price.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: AlexieNichole on July 31, 2006, 09:44:12 PM
Thanks Robert, sorry for any confusion, yes I meant the date not the price.  I definitely want to go in July 2018, if at all possible.  My son is too young to go now.  I found another place thats offering tours but for a price.  The tour is actually for Moscow and Ekaterinburg, and then the St Petersburg portion is optional

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/tours/tours1.html

Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 01, 2006, 02:50:41 AM
No...I said you did not need to save ip to 2018 to go there. There are cheaper options. However the fact that yout child is small is an entirely new argument.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Christian_II on August 11, 2006, 08:15:08 PM
LOOK http://www.kongehuset.dk/english/ under current activities.
Christian
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on August 13, 2006, 08:59:22 PM
At long last   She will be next to her Husband :)   (can someone show me a floorplan so ill know where shell be in relation to the others  Thanks) " God Save Russia God Save the Tsar"
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 14, 2006, 11:11:36 AM
AlexIII is #15 on this plan.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/Alex-20.jpg)

and the funeral of AlexIII in 1894
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/Alex-21.jpg)
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Guinastasia on August 14, 2006, 09:09:15 PM
That's wonderful news!

And that painting of Minnie that's displayed on the page with the article is just gorgeous.  Does anyone know where one can find a bigger resolution?

Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lucien on August 18, 2006, 02:16:53 PM
Update by the Danish Foreign Ministry:
http://www.reburial.um.dk/en/menu/ReburialEvents/TheReburialCeremony/ProgrammeOfEventsInDenmark/

The Copenhagen Royal Chapel Choir will sing during the ceremony in the Cathedral of St.Peter and St.Paul.

http://www.kdk.dk/english.html
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lucien on August 18, 2006, 02:43:15 PM
Danish Foreign Ministry update:

http://www.reburial.um.dk/en/menu/ReburialEvents/TheReburialCeremony/ProgrammeOfEventsInDenmark/
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Teddy on August 23, 2006, 02:52:06 PM
Who of Royal Europe, will atend the reburial?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 23, 2006, 03:36:11 PM
So far, I have seen only the Crown Prince & Princess of Denmark announced. But I would bet that Prince Michael of Kent will be there, at least. Maybe the Greeks ?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: rgt9w on August 23, 2006, 06:23:09 PM
Does anyone know if the reburial ceremony will be televised by any of the 24 hour news agencies? I remember CNN International televised the funeral of Nicholas II.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: JASPER on August 24, 2006, 06:08:39 PM
I had dinner yesterday evening with Princess Olga Romanov who is the Great Grandaughter of the Empress Maria, and she advised me that she will be attending with her children. Princess Olga's Grandmother was Xenia, Nicholas ll's sister. Princess Olga informed me that she will probably be the 'Main Relative' to participate in Denmark, but there will be many relatives for the State Funeral in Russia. (I understand that Prince Michael is more a 'distant' relative than a 'direct' descendant, but as often a 'figurehead', I am sure he will be attending) Princess Olga told me that she will relate the event when we meet on her return.
Bestest Wishes. 
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Zanthia on August 25, 2006, 03:19:50 AM
I think it is so snobbish that Xenia Kulikovski isn't invited to the ceremony, but distant Romanovs from California and Australia, who's not even related to Minnie, are! Xenia is her great granddaughter for crying out loud. After a little struggle with the ministery, her son has been allowed to attend the ceremony, but have to pay out of his own pocket. The royal houses and the russian government should of course be present, but all Minnie's descendants should have had first priority, not just Olga because she's a princess.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: James1941 on August 25, 2006, 10:49:48 AM
Xenia Kulikovsky will be attending the ceremonies in Denlmark. She and her family have been invited and will attend the ceremony in the cathedral and later at a reception given by Queen Margarethe. Her son, Paul, and his family will accompany the body to St. Petersburg and attend all the ceremonies. Xenia was invited there but has declined because of poor health. I have received this information from a spokesman for the Danish Foreign Ministry in reply to my email to them about her involvement.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Janet_W. on August 25, 2006, 11:39:57 AM
We wish all descendants well. This is a resolution which has been long in coming, and perhaps will be a significant part of the ongoing mending process.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: JASPER on August 25, 2006, 12:06:42 PM
Princess Olga too has to pay her own hotel etc. expenses, and that of her children.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on August 25, 2006, 02:38:24 PM
I think it is so snobbish that Xenia Kulikovski isn't invited to the ceremony, but distant Romanovs from California and Australia, who's not even related to Minnie, are! Xenia is her great granddaughter for crying out loud. After a little struggle with the ministery, her son has been allowed to attend the ceremony, but have to pay out of his own pocket. The royal houses and the russian government should of course be present, but all Minnie's descendants should have had first priority, not just Olga because she's a princess.

A few points of clarification:

1. The only Romanov presently residing in Australia is Michael Andreivich, who is the Dowager Empress' great grandson (Maria Feodorovna - GD Xenia - Prince Andrei Alexandrovich - Michael Andreivich). Kindly cite the name and geneology of the "distant Romanovs" attending from Australia  to whom you object.

2. The only Romanovs residing in California (to my knowledge) are Michael A (above)'s brother Andrei Andreivich and his children and grandchildren. They would be great grandsons and beyond, but nonetheless, direct descendants. Also living here is a daughter of Princess Marina Vasilovna (Maria Feodorovna - GD Xenia - Prince Vasili Alexandrovich - Marina Vasilovna - Daughter) residing here, a great granddaughter of the Dowager Empress, who I will not name because she has young children and is a private citizen. Kindly cite the name(s) and geneology of the "distant Romanovs" attending from California to whom you object.

3. To my knowledge, the only "Princess Olga" I know of is Olga Andreivna, the daughter of Prince Andrei A (2 of whose children by his first wife are listed above). Olga A should be included as she, too is a great grandchild of MF.

4. The 50 or so descendants of Nicholas I do not get together often, so I, for one, am hopeful that as many as possible will get together for the reburial of HIM the Empress Maria Feodorvona. However, if you have reasons why they should not be together, I would love to hear them.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: viv rosendahl on August 26, 2006, 06:03:11 PM
4. The 50 or so descendants of Nicholas I do not get together often, so I, for one, am hopeful that as many as possible will get together for the reburial of HIM the Empress Maria Feodorvona. However, if you have reasons why they should not be together, I would love to hear them.

The point is - or was- that Xenia Kulikovsky complained last week in a Danish weekly, that neither she nor her two brothers had been
invited to the ceremony at Roskilde Cathedral on September 23rd, whereas many of the Romanoffs (sic) ( hinting at the descendants
of Nicholas I) from Denmark, Australia and California had received an invitation. She doesn't mind that, nor does anyone else!

However it goes without saying, that the Kulikovskis should be present at the reburial. They are just as important and just as "main relative"
as "Princess" Olga and other members of the GD Xenia Alexandrovna branch.

The Kulikovskis were not mentioned in the Danish media until last week, whereas the distant relation Prince Dimitri Romanoff has been
here, there and everywhere! But then again, in this context I suppose it's better to be a 'prince'  that a retired postwoman,as
xenia Kulikovsky happens to be!

Alle the best

Viv

   
   
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Vecchiolarry on August 26, 2006, 08:52:58 PM
Hi,

Thank you Lisa for giving us an exact breakdown as to the relationship each of these descendants have to MF.
I think it would be very nice and diplomatic of all her descendants and relations to come together and celebrate a happy day -- a reunion of Alexander III and Maria Feodorovna and a reconciliation of all the Romanovs.
However, I guess money constraints prevent everyone attending.

Just think - it's only a month away today that it all begins.

Larry
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on August 27, 2006, 11:02:05 AM
I cannot recall if the Kulikovsky branch of the family was excluded from the burial of Nicholas II and family or not. I don't believe they are members of the Romanov Family Association. The RFA reckons matters by patrilineal descent which is why the descendants of GD Nicholas are senior in the RFA to those of GD Alexander Mikhailovich. This, I think is the reason, not XK's profession, for the invitation situation. With the RFA involved, I am not certain that the Yurievskys or the family of GD Maria V will be involved, either.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: viv rosendahl on August 27, 2006, 12:15:15 PM
I cannot recall if the Kulikovsky branch of the family was excluded from the burial of Nicholas II and family or not. I don't believe they are members of the Romanov Family Association. The RFA reckons matters by patrilineal descent which is why the descendants of GD Nicholas are senior in the RFA to those of GD Alexander Mikhailovich. This, I think is the reason, not XK's profession, for the invitation situation. With the RFA involved, I am not certain that the Yurievskys or the family of GD Maria V will be involved, either.

AFAIK the Kulikovskys did not attend the 1998 burial of Nicholas II and family nor are they members of the RFA.
However that's beyond the point! The point is that they should be invited to attend the reburial of their ancestor!
Empress Dagmar/Maria Feodorovna has great grandchildren and their descendants living in Denmark. They are her blood family.
The Kulikovskis have now been invited, which is the only decent thing to do;  in fact their attendance should never have been
questioned in the first place!

I understand your post to the effect that the Kulikovskis have no right to be there, just because they don't fit into the order
of precedence established by the RFA, the members of which obviously need their 15 minutes of fame come September 23rd!
Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I read it. The RFA a.o. has been instrumental in the reburial arrangements, and it's not exactly rocket
science to establish, that in this respect a princely title is a better vehicle than that of a postman!
However their concern and consideration for the less illustrious blood relations of Empress Dagmar at an earlier stage in the process
would have been appropriate! 

Viv







.

 


 
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on August 27, 2006, 02:01:53 PM
I think you may have misinterpreted what I said. So, I'll try to clear that up, if I may. My opinion on the reburial is that everyone related to MF, everyone descended from Nicholas I, and for that matter, anyone with a strong interest, should have been included in these arrangements. That certainly includes Xenia Kulikovsky.

What I was attempting to explain is that it is obvious that the RFA is representing the Romanov family with the reburial. I have no opinion one way or another as to whether or not this was the correct thing for the Danish Royal Family to do. Having made that choice, I was then attempting to explain that if this were so, it was very likely that Maria V would not be involved. The reason? There is a rivalry between her and the RFA. So, I am saying, don't expect to see her there.

Similarly, the RFA limits its membership to male line descendants and excludes some people that maybe should be included. I am not saying that it is correct or incorrect. Maybe consider the fact that the RFA was put together in part to give the family a chance to get together as a family. These people who look so close on a geneological chart often know each other personally very little. But, that said, the RFA is a private organization and may choose to exclude.

Which brings us to the Dane's dilemna. They had to decide whether or not to allow the reburial. Once they did, they had to decide whether or not to involve her family. Once they decided to do that, they had to decide which part to handle the arrangements. At every juncture, there is a chance for someone to criticize the decision(s). My opinion is that the RFA probably did the best they could as a private organization, but there are limits. The exclusion of descendants of MF is certainly unfortunate, but it has nothing to do with Xenia K's profession or social status.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: viv rosendahl on August 27, 2006, 10:39:38 PM
I think you may have misinterpreted what I said. So, I'll try to clear that up, if I may. My opinion on the reburial is that everyone related to MF, everyone descended from Nicholas I, and for that matter, anyone with a strong interest, should have been included in these arrangements. That certainly includes Xenia Kulikovsky.

Thank you for the clearification. 
Whether the arrangements of the reburial could have been handled differently from the outset is indeed a moot point.
Agree!

Viv

Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: kmerov on September 06, 2006, 08:52:12 AM
A link to a page by the Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs with details of the events taking place during the reburial of MF. It's in English.
http://www.reburial.um.dk/en/ (http://www.reburial.um.dk/en/)
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Ilana on September 06, 2006, 06:28:41 PM
Paul Kulikovsky did go to the reburial of NII's family.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lucien on September 17, 2006, 11:39:50 PM
Informative site concerning reburial events later this week,and next,in Danmark and Russia of HM Empress Maria Fedorovna:

http://www.reburial.um.dk/en

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs,Danmark.

Pictures of HM:

http://www.kongehuset.dk/gallery.php?dogtag=k_dk_aktuelt_billed&id=48
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: kmerov on September 23, 2006, 08:22:39 AM
There have been a great deal about Empress MF during the week in Denmark. Documentaries on tv, articles and such. Its been great!
Normally you can see the tv-programs later on-line, and if not,there is always the news on-line, that will have a segment on Dagmar and the reburial.

Right know she (or what you say!) has been taken through Copenhagen, stopping at The Yellow Mansion and The Russian Church before leaving Denmark.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: lababoc on September 23, 2006, 09:43:35 AM
A day of joy  for many  ...Marie Feodorovna  the Dowager Empress of Russia  is going back  home   and after so long she will be with Alexander lll again
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lucien on September 23, 2006, 11:32:29 AM
Danmark today;

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=23-09-2006%20Re-burial

Courtesy Mr.v/d Werf,Mr.Edwin Veloo
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: rgt9w on September 24, 2006, 08:09:03 AM
This news article has a videoclip of the loading of Empress Maria's coffin onto the ship that will carry her remains to St. Petersburg.

http://www.bt.dk/nyheder/artikel:aid=470470/
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: James1941 on September 25, 2006, 10:50:13 AM
I see on the guest list Prince Michael Pavlovich Ilyinsky. I presume this is the grandson of Grand Duke Dimitri Pavlovich, and son of Paul Ilyinsky of the American branch of the Romanovs. Am I correct in this?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: rgt9w on September 25, 2006, 06:43:56 PM
Does anyone know what is going to happen to Marie Feodorovna's crypt in the Roskilde Cathedral? Were the icons and the cruxifix with Nicholas II's picture sent with her remains to Russia?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: viv rosendahl on September 25, 2006, 09:16:51 PM
Does anyone know what is going to happen to Marie Feodorovna's crypt in the Roskilde Cathedral? Were the icons and the cruxifix with Nicholas II's picture sent with her remains to Russia?


The empress' sarcophagus  occupied a 'corner' only of the private crypt of the royal family.
As for the icons etc. I don't know what happened to them.
What I do know is that a Danish artist was commissioned to make a new icon to be placed near the coffin in
St. Petersburg, and also, that the RFA has organised some sort of memorial for the now vacant space in the crypt.
I'd imagine, that we'll get a photo in due course.

I was lucky to attend the memorial service in Roskilde Cathedral with a British friend. The advantage is that you are able to
'feel the presence', soak up the atmosphere, and - what was important to me - that I could pay my respects to this
formidable lady, whose story captivated me from early on. The drawback however is that you miss all the interesting details
which are being fed to the TV-viewers, things like " what happens to the icons and the crucifix". :)
A friend of mine taped the TV-coverage; I'm looking forward to watching it!

Viv 
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lucien on September 26, 2006, 07:12:15 AM
The Finnish Navy ship FNS "Pohjanmaa" saluted the "Esbern Snare",carrying the coffin of Empress Marie Feodorovna,as it passes Finish waters

http://www.mil.fi/merivoimat/tiedotteet/2415.dsp

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/data/1567/3

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/data/1574/3

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/data/1575/3

and;

http://imperator.spbnews.ru/nw/english/sobor_en.html
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lucien on September 26, 2006, 08:02:47 AM
The "Esbern Snare" has arrived in Kronstadt to a 31 gun salute.

Tomorrow,wednesday,TRH the Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary will arrive in St.Petersburg,
accompanied by their uncle and aunt,TM King Constantine and Queen Anne-Marie of Greece.

The british RF will be represented by TRH the Prince & Princess Michael of Kent.

Kronstadt,earlyer today:

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f80/reburial-empress-marie-feodorovna-23-28-september-2006-a-10174-7.html#post511205

courtesy fanletizia/norwegienne
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: rgt9w on September 26, 2006, 03:15:59 PM
Viv and Lucien,

Thank you for the information. For anyone that may be taping the burial ceremony, I would love to obtain a copy.

Thanks,

RGT9W
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: grandduchessella on September 26, 2006, 05:33:25 PM
Courtesy of GREMB:

MARIA FEDOROVNA´S ST. PETERSBURG

The reburial ceremony will take place on the same date on which Princess Dagmar, 140 years prior, arrived in St. Petersburg as bride to be.

On 22 September 1866 Princess Dagmar travelled on board the Royal Yacht, “Slesvig” from Copenhagen to St. Petersburg where she was to be united with her future husband, who later became Alexander III. Empress Maria Fedorovna spent over 50 years in Russia until she left the country in 1919. The reburial procession will take the coffin of Empress Maria Fedorovna past a number of places of significance during her life in Russia.

http://www.reburial.um.dk/en/menu/ReburialEvents/TheReburialCeremony/ProgrammeOfEventsInRussia/
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Marlene on September 27, 2006, 09:18:26 AM
I see on the guest list Prince Michael Pavlovich Ilyinsky. I presume this is the grandson of Grand Duke Dimitri Pavlovich, and son of Paul Ilyinsky of the American branch of the Romanovs. Am I correct in this?

Yes
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 28, 2006, 01:01:04 AM
I see on the guest list Prince Michael Pavlovich Ilyinsky. I presume this is the grandson of Grand Duke Dimitri Pavlovich, and son of Paul Ilyinsky of the American branch of the Romanovs. Am I correct in this?

James, can you please provide us with a link for the guest list?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Alexander_II on September 28, 2006, 05:26:14 AM
Lucien, you have been a treasure!  I would also like to thank you greatly for your invaluable coverage of the reburial and likewise, would like to enquire about obtaining a copy of the entire ceremony if at all possible.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Guinastasia on September 28, 2006, 02:07:28 PM
Finally, she is home with her Sasha.

*sniff*

 :'(
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Seeker on September 28, 2006, 02:45:29 PM
Has anyone seen anymore pictures past the 26th?  I have been all over the internet today, the important day, and have no pictures and little story.  Maybe it's coming after the media has had a chance to put things together?  I would have loved to see the ceremony on video.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Kimberly on September 28, 2006, 03:01:29 PM
There was a piece on the BBC news today, it was very moving.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 28, 2006, 03:35:42 PM
Gæsteliste til gudstjeneste i Roskilde Domkirke
Amalienborg, den 23. september 2006

Gæsteliste til gudstjeneste i Roskilde Domkirke

Hendes Majestæt DRONNINGEN
Hans Kongelige Højhed PRINSGEMALEN
Hans Kongelige Højhed KRONPRINSEN
Hendes Kongelige Højhed KRONPRINSESSEN
Hans Kongelige Højhed Prins JOACHIM
Hendes Kongelige Højhed Prinsesse BENEDIKTE
Hendes Højhed Prinsesse ELISABETH

Slægtninge til Kejserinde Dagmar i alfabetisk rækkefølge
Frk. Anja Andersen
Hr. Mathias Andersen
Hr. Philip Andersen
Fru Vivian Andersen
Hr. Bjarne Andersen
Prinsesse Olga Andreevna
Fru Alexandra Beadleston Blake
H.K.H. Prinsesse Birgitte af Bourbon de Parme
H.H. Prins Jacques af Bourbon de Parme
Direktør Christian Castenskiold
Fru Dagmar Castenskiold
Hr. Ole Larsen
Hr. Alexander Romanov Erdman
Hr. Sebastian William Wheeler Erdman
Fru Tatiana Erdman
Hr. Charles Wheeler Erdman
Fr. Maiken K. Hansen
Fr. Zandra K. Hansen
Greve Christian Knuth
Grevinde Knuth
Hr. Paul Edward Kulikovsky
Fru Ludmila Antonova
Fru Olga Kulikovsky-Romanov
Frk. Ditte Larsen
Hr. Peter Larsen
Frk. Tine Larsen
Fru Tatiana Little
Fr. Alexandra Mathew
Hr. Francis Mathew
Baronesse Miller-Aichholz
Fru Thyra Moes
Fru Vibeke Nielsen
Hr. Allan Vestergaard
Fru Xenia Nielsen
Hr. Aage Nielsen
Prins Michael Pavlovich Ilyinsky
Prins Dimitri Romanoff
Prinsesse Dorrit Romanoff
Prinsesse Maria Romanoff
Prins Nicholas Romanovich
Prinsesse Sveva Romanoff
Greve Axel af Rosenborg
Grevinde Jutta af Rosenborg
Greve Carl Johan af Rosenborg
Komtesse Charlotte af Rosenborg
Hr. Torben Gyldenfeldt-Wulff
H.E. Greve Christian af Rosenborg
Grevinde Anne Dorte af Rosenborg
Grevinde Dorrit af Rosenborg
Hr. Bent Marquard Lund
H.E. Greve Ingolf af Rosenborg
Grevinde Sussie af Rosenborg
Grevinde Karin af Rosenborg
Hr. Michael Warberg
Komtesse Marina af Rosenborg
Grevinde Ruth af Rosenborg
Greve Ulrik af Rosenborg
Grevinde Tove af Rosenborg
Greve Valdemar af Rosenborg
Prins Nikita Rostislavovich
Prins Rostislav Rostislavovich
Prinsesse Alexandra Rostislavovna
Fru Christia Russell
Hr. David Russell
H.H. Prins Waldemar af Schaumburg-Lippe
H.H. Prins Wilhelm af Schaumburg-Lippe
H.H. Prinsesse Ilona af Schaumburg-Lippe
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Hr. John Paul Steinle
Kammerherre, hofjægermester Erik Vind
Kammerherreinde Vind
Hr. Georg Vind
Fru Maria Munk Vind

Officielle Russiske Delegation
Mr. Alexander Sokolov, Head of the delegation, Minister of culture and mass communications
Vladimir Titov, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affaires of the Russian Federation
Bishop Alexander, Vasiliy Agrikov, Vicar of the Holy Patriarch of Moscow and Alle Russia Alixi II
General-Major A. Galkin, Military Commandant of St. Petersburg
Gerogiy Vilinbakhov, Chairman of the Heralds’ Council of the President of the Russian Federation, State Herald Master, Deputy Director of the State Hermitage Museum
Vadim Znamenov. Director general of the state museum and the reserve ”Peterhof”
Alexander Kudryavtsev, Deputy Director of the Department on humanitarian p9olicy and public relations of the Directorat on interior policy of the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation
Alexander Kirilin, Head of the Memorial military Center of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
Georgiy Leontyev, Member of the Committee of the State Duma on local self-government, coordinator of the group of members of thre State Duma on relations with the Folketing of the Kingdom of Denmark
Mikhail Piotrovskiy, Director of the State Hermitage Museum, deputy chairman of the Council on culture and art of the President of the Russian Federation
Alexander Prokhorenko, Chairman of the Committee on foreign relations and tourism of the Government of St. Petersburg
Vadim Stepanov, State secretaryk, deputy Director of the Federal Securtiy Guard Service of the Russian Federation
Juriy Shubin, Director of the Department on culture and mass communications of the Ministry of culture of the Russian Federation
Victor Shudegov, Chairman of the Committee of the Council of the Federation on science, culture, education, health care and ecology
Dmitriy Ryurikov, Ambassador of the Russian Federation to the Kingdom of Denmark
Elena Ryurokov, Spouse of the Ambassador
Ms. Svetlana Ozhegova, interpreter

Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 28, 2006, 03:37:27 PM
Regeringen
Finansminister Thor Pedersen
Justitsminister Lene Espersen
Kulturminister Brian Mikkelsen
Undervisningsminister og kirkeminister Bertel Haarder
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Minister for familie- og forbrugeranliggender Lars Barfoed
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Folketinget
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Kommunaldirektør Henrik Kolind
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Vicepolitimester Bendt Rungstrøm
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Stiftamtmandinde Bentsen

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Bispinde Tine Lindhardt
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Hr. Wilhelm Børgesen
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Menighedsrådsmedlem Fritz Voss
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Menighedsrådsmedlem Bodil Tholstorf
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Fru Bente Ramskov
Menighedsrådsmedlem Ingrid Holdt
Menighedsrådsmedlem Bent Vilby
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Menighedsrådsmedlem Per Hors
Fru Bodil Uldal
Menighedsrådsmedlem Gert Hansen
Fru Kirsten Hansen
Menighedsrådsmedlem Ruth Vingborg
Hr. Oluf Vingborg
Menighedsrådsmedlem Lis Kjær
Menighedsrådsmedlem Frank A. Birkebæk
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Menighedsrådsmedlem Inger Beck
Hr. Nicolaj Borg Mogensen
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Domprovst Jens Arendt
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Hr. Kent Østergaard
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Korleder Christa Hauser
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Hr. Freddy Brix
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Hr. Henrik Jensen
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Provstiudvalgsmedlem Poul Kortegaard
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Provstiudvalgsmedlem Karen Groth
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Hr. Jens Ole Christensen
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Fru Mette Andersen
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Fru Ida Normann
Fru Signe Hülz
Hr. Henrik Bo Nielsen
Hr. Bent Skovbro Hansen
Fru Lena Blomgren
Fru Elly Vestergård
Provstisekretær Jette Mikkelsen
Hr. Sten Mikkelsen
Museumsinspektør Anette Kruse

Forsvaret
Forsvarschef General J. Helsø
Generalinde Helsø
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Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
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Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
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Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 28, 2006, 04:03:50 PM
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Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: kmerov on September 28, 2006, 04:36:09 PM
It was a very nice and beautiful ceremony, and I think the entire reburial was carried thru with great dignity and respect for Empress Maria Feodorovna.
And it's not everyday you have a little piece of Imperial Russia in your backyard (Copenhagen)!! ;D
I noticed that the Crown Prince Frederik and CPss Mary was escorted in to the cathedral by Maria Vladimirovna (to some of us Grand Duchess and Head of the Family)!
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: GD_Sasha on September 28, 2006, 06:15:39 PM
Sounds like a great deal of people went, I can't imagine how many others came!
 
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And it's not everyday you have a little piece of Imperial Russia in your backyard (Copenhagen)!! ;D
Haha, exactly! My dad told me about this when I got home from school- as soon as I finished my homework I just had to read the article. Wow.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: pookiepie on September 28, 2006, 08:04:19 PM
On the news here, they’re showing snippets of what’s going on. Not on american TV, of course, but on the european news programs (it’s actually on the random channel we have here). There’s so little coverage but I guess it’s better than nothing. They showed a minute of one of the services in Russia. I don’t remember which cathedral. It was huge and there was a semi-circle of people all dressed in black.  The MP was serving. On one of the news things, Russia Today, a British-Russian collaboration I think, they interviewed a Russian history teacher. People are saying this is a form of repentance, the start of something new (learning about their past), etc… It sounds like they’re trying to make it sound better than it actually is. The teacher himself said he doesn’t believe at all that the Russian people view this as repentance, only as carrying out someone’s last wishes.   They also discussed the fact that there were no political figures there. Were they not there because they didn’t want to make this political or are they using that as an excuse because they don’t care? But having the MP be there is a pretty big deal. I think this is a very interesting topic. What do you think about this? And does anyone know where I can find more coverage on this?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: grandduchessella on September 28, 2006, 08:33:23 PM
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Danish Crown Princess Mary, Crown Prince Frederik, centre, and Britain's Prince Michael, right, attend a burial ceremony for Czarina Maria Feodorovna in the royal crypt at the Cathedral of the Peter and Paul Fortress in St. Petersburg, 28 September 2006.

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Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: grandduchessella on September 28, 2006, 08:34:16 PM
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St.Petersburg Governor Valentina Matviyenko bows as Dmitry Romamov, centre left, and Nikolai Romanov, centre right, stand during a burial ceremony for Czarina Maria Feodorovna in the royal crypt at the Cathedral of the Peter and Paul Fortress in St. Petersburg, Russia, Thursday, Sept. 28, 2006.

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Dmitry Romanov, right, and Nikolai Romanov, left, stand during a burial ceremony Czarina Maria Feodorovna in the royal crypt at the Cathedral of the Peter and Paul Fortress in St. Petersburg, 28 September 2006
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: grandduchessella on September 28, 2006, 08:35:04 PM
Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexy II (L) leads burial prayer ceremonies for Czarina Maria Feodorovna at the Cathedral of the Peter and Paul Fortress in St. Petersburg, 28 September 2006. Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexy II on Thursday led burial ceremonies for Czarina Maria Feodorovna

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Soldiers carry a coffin with remains of Russian Empress Maria Fyodorovna during a funeral service at the city's main cathedral, St. Isaac's in St.Petersburg, 28 September 2006.

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Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: joye on September 28, 2006, 11:13:43 PM
Could someone with better eyesight please circle no. 15 on the site map of the burials?  Even with a good magnifying glass, I am unable to find no. 15.
Thankyou in afvance.
 
joye
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lucien on September 28, 2006, 11:38:33 PM
Could someone with better eyesight please circle no. 15 on the site map of the burials?  Even with a good magnifying glass, I am unable to find no. 15.
Thankyou in afvance.
 
joye

It's halve way at the left Joye.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lucien on September 28, 2006, 11:41:19 PM
Thank you gdella,Lisa,rgb9w and all others.You're welcome Alexander II.Yesterday the AP forum was inaccessible from where I am so I couldn't add any more info.

Ella in your one but last post Crown Prince Frederik lets some danish soil drop on the Empress's coffin,it was taken from the garden at Hvidore,and taken to Russia in a silver box,a very moving gesture I thought.

A very dignified ceremony,allthough there was a minor incident.An official of the danish embassy accidently fell into Marie Feodorovna's grave shortly before the interment in a packed St.Peter and St.Paul Cathedral.

http://www.bt.dk/royalt/artikel:aiid=471596:img=0/

http://www.berlingske.dk/udland/artikel:aiid=799174/
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: joye on September 29, 2006, 12:04:33 AM
Thankyou Lucien,  my magnifying glass says that no is 13.
joye
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 29, 2006, 04:24:36 AM
There was a piece on the BBC news today, it was very moving.

Oh! would love to have seen that. Minny is one of my favourites! I saw a snippet it of it when I was in the gym, but was no sound :(
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lucien on September 29, 2006, 04:56:36 AM
There was a piece on the BBC news today, it was very moving.

Oh! would love to have seen that. Minny is one of my favourites! I saw a snippet it of it when I was in the gym, but was no sound :(

But you can still watch it Eddieboy,grandduchessella posted the link on page 4 of this thread,scroll all the way down.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Mazukov on September 29, 2006, 06:22:21 AM
I'm happy that she was brought back to Russia. to lay in rest with her husband, Son, and granddaughters. it is her place to be there. now perhaps her soul can rest for she is with the ture loves of her life in rest.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Seeker on September 29, 2006, 11:08:26 AM
Thanks to all for the info.  It's nice to get help from people in the "Know".
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 29, 2006, 05:05:46 PM
Thank you very much Lucien, very interesting :)
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: DowagerMinnie on September 30, 2006, 01:37:58 AM
Lisa,
Is there a link where we can view the list of guests that you provided?

Thanks
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lucien on September 30, 2006, 07:42:04 AM
Thank you very much Lucien, very interesting :)

The guestlist from Roskilde:

http://www.kongehuset.dk/publish.php?id=4183

And the picture gallery,pictures are part of the exhibition at the Anichkov Palace,opened last monday:

http://www.reburial.um.dk/menu/PictureGallery/EmpressMariaFedorovna/
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eurohistory on September 30, 2006, 11:27:47 AM
King Constantine and Queen Anne Marie of the Hellenes were present at the ceremonies, as were some of MF's descendants: Michel and Andrei Andreievich, Xenia Sfiris, the Larsens (aka the "Kulikovskis), etc.

Arturo Beéche

Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eurohistory on September 30, 2006, 12:14:27 PM
We were in St Petersburg indeed...lovely time, marvelous weather, far better than last year's. 

The group met Xenia Sfiris and Michel Andreievich.  Some of us also ran into Their Hellenic Majesties, as well as Nicholas Romanovich and Andrei Andreievich.

Coryne Hall gave a lecture on Maria Feodorovna for the group...it was all quite exciting.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 30, 2006, 08:04:57 PM
I think there will be an account of it in your magazine ?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eurohistory on October 06, 2006, 05:04:26 PM
Yes...as well as a memorial photo book (glossy pages/hardbound)) on her life and the reburial ceremonies which should be in print within a week.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: grandduchessella on October 06, 2006, 05:24:03 PM
Sounds good! How much will deal with her life and how much with the reburial?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Belochka on October 06, 2006, 09:29:36 PM
Yes...as well as a memorial photo book (glossy pages/hardbound)) on her life and the reburial ceremonies which should be in print within a week.

Arturo Beéche

Wonderful Art!

Looking forward to it. Will it be made available direct from you or via Amazon?

Margarita  :D
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Teddy on October 07, 2006, 09:12:25 AM
A complete coffee table book about her?
How many pages?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 07, 2006, 03:32:35 PM
While the Danes were very good about providing us with a list of those attending, the Russians to my knowledge have not supplied such a list. I have therefore started complining a list of my own, which i will publish here once it's done. Here is the info I need on each attendee:

Full Name and Style
Birth Year
State/Country of Residence
Father & Mother's Name
Relationship to MF

Contributions are both welcomed and will be acknowledged!
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Lucien on October 08, 2006, 05:01:04 AM
Roskilde/Copenhagen september 23rd,by Royalpress;

http://www.royalpress.nl/20060923.html

Courtesy Albert Nieboer.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 08, 2006, 11:30:32 AM
I know a Russian book on her was already published.  ???
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: doug__h on October 13, 2006, 10:29:57 AM
One of the thrills of my travelling life was attending the ceremony in St.Isaacs Cathedral for the reburial of HIM Maria Federovna. We went to St. Petersburg not knowing if the mass would be open to the public. In fact, we had been told it definitely wasn't. However, probably because a last minute cancellation by Putin, you could just walk in. Standing for 3 hours passed very quickly. However the magnificent choir could be heard perfectly.And then we visited her grave the following day. all in all a very moving experience.
Always a name dropper I must mention that many Romanovs were staying in our hotel...the Astoria. I was delighted to meet Mrs Paul Ilyinsky, daughter in law of GD Dimitri, and her family.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: lexi4 on October 14, 2006, 10:29:32 PM
May she rest in peace.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Eurohistory on October 15, 2006, 10:18:51 AM
In Issue LIII (October 2006) of The European Royal History Journal we will have a complete report of the event covered by Coryne Hall, a guest both in Copenhagen and Russia.  The report wil also include photos we have from the memorials in Denmark and Russia, as well as the lying-in-state in Peterhof, which I visited.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Vecchiolarry on October 15, 2006, 03:16:20 PM
Thank you Arturo,

I can't wait for my copy and I hope lots of pictures of the proceedings and a list of who's who.

I hope you and all your touring guests had a good time in Russia.  I was thinking of you all over there at the time of the reburial.

Larry
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: lexi4 on October 15, 2006, 04:54:10 PM
Where can I get a copy of this magazine. Is it by subscription? If so, how/where can I subscribe.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 16, 2006, 01:37:29 AM
You may PM Arturo - Eurohistory - two posts above - to inquire. Please confine your further discussion and questions to either PM or email (or any other means off this board). We have a strong committment to keep this Forum non commercial.

Thanks for your understanding.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Dominic_Albanese on December 18, 2007, 04:37:50 PM
Folks - Probably many of you have seen this already, but today I stumbled across an article (and great pictures) of the reburial of Empress Marie from the Romanov Family Association Web site.  For those who haven't seen this and are interested in the topic - this site is worth a look.

Happy Holidays

Dominic

http://www.romanovfundforrussia.org/family/empress.html
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna
Post by: Robert_Hall on December 19, 2007, 04:46:43 AM
Yes, thank you. I had not seen those pictures. I rarely check that site as it seems so rarely updated.
Title: Marie Feodorovna's Final Resting Place
Post by: Mary Breheny on March 11, 2009, 05:51:32 PM
It was a moving experience to see Marie Feodorovna's final resting place in the Sts. Peter and Paul Cathedral.  The guide hardly mentioned the tomb, but as soon as I saw her picture I knew.  Alexander III is buried behind her tomb.

http://s672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/breheny/Another%20Yousoupov%20Palace/Dowager%20Empress/?action=view&current=DowagerEmpresssBurialPlace.jpg&newest=1
Title: Re: Marie Feodorovna's Final Resting Place
Post by: Vecchiolarry on March 11, 2009, 06:35:59 PM
Hi,

My goodness, when I was there last August, there was no picture on her tomb and we were not allowed to place flowers on it.
Things must have changed;  or maybe this was a special day, as I see several people in the background.  There weren't that many there the day I was there.

Larry
Title: Re: Marie Feodorovna's Final Resting Place
Post by: Mary Breheny on March 12, 2009, 03:50:03 PM
I am not really sure why there were flowers and a picture at her tomb that particular day.  It was October 28, 2008, which I don't think was a special date.
Title: Re: Marie Feodorovna's Final Resting Place
Post by: Cathy on March 12, 2009, 04:08:55 PM
Hi,

My goodness, when I was there last August, there was no picture on her tomb and we were not allowed to place flowers on it.
Things must have changed;  or maybe this was a special day, as I see several people in the background.  There weren't that many there the day I was there.

Larry

April/May 2008 - there was no picture on the grave however there were flowers in vases at or near most of the graves. But I do not think that they were left by the 'tourists' - I think that the placement of 'tributes' is carefully orchestrated by the staff. All very tasteful actually. And we were almost alone in the church so were able to 'grieve' in peace. Nice.
Title: Re: Marie Feodorovna's Final Resting Place
Post by: Vecchiolarry on March 12, 2009, 04:33:46 PM
Hi,

October 28, 2008 -
The Dowager Empress died in Denmark on October 13, 1928, so this could be a tribute to her 80th anniversary of her death.  Isn't the Julian calendar 15 days behind the Gregorian??

Just my guess!!

Larry
Title: Re: Marie Feodorovna's Final Resting Place
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 12, 2009, 04:44:03 PM
You are right Larry.
Title: Re: Marie Feodorovna's Final Resting Place
Post by: Ena on April 04, 2009, 03:30:18 AM
I am not really sure why there were flowers and a picture at her tomb that particular day.  It was October 28, 2008, which I don't think was a special date.
The flowers and picture were still there when I visited last week of November, 2008.  I did over hear a guide explain to a group tour who she was.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie & her final resting place in Russia
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 04, 2009, 11:51:21 AM
She was a great lady and a good empress.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie & her final resting place in Russia
Post by: Michael HR on April 05, 2009, 09:34:44 AM
a fine lady and a tragic life. One must not forget
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie & her final resting place in Russia
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 05, 2009, 12:56:04 PM
Well...Not all tragic. She had a great marriage with Sasha, something her sisters (especially Alix) can only envy.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie & her final resting place in Russia
Post by: Mexjames on April 06, 2009, 04:38:58 PM
Her marriage lasted 28 years, which is short taking into consideration than she and the emperor married young.

The worst that can happen to a parent is the death of a child, let alone four sons, her husband at a relatively young age (49), even at that time and five of her grandchildren were murdered, not to mention her first fiancé. 

She lost her house, her wealth, and a country she learned to love to what became a rogue state.

Indeed she had good moments with her family, for the time they lasted, but in summary I think there's little to envy there.

In any case she is buried now next to her husband; the mystery of what happened with Nicholas II's and his family's remains is now solved, so I hope she'll rest in peace.




Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie & her final resting place in Russia
Post by: LisaDavidson on April 06, 2009, 05:05:01 PM
Well...Not all tragic. She had a great marriage with Sasha, something her sisters (especially Alix) can only envy.

I'm not sure any of us is qualified to make such a determination.

She certainly had some happy times in childhood, in marriage, and even in widowhood. She also had much tragedy - the loss of her husband at a young age and outliving so many of her children.

The brutal way she was treated by Russia after the Revolution.

All in all, I think her life was a difficult one, but that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie & her final resting place in Russia
Post by: Michael HR on April 07, 2009, 08:41:04 AM
By tragic I meant the death of Nicholas, her grandchildren and so many of her relatives. Loss of home , status, wealth and country. One cannot imagine what she must have felt in all of this.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie & her final resting place in Russia
Post by: TimM on January 26, 2011, 12:53:59 AM
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By tragic I meant the death of Nicholas, her grandchildren and so many of her relatives. Loss of home , status, wealth and country. One cannot imagine what she must have felt in all of this.


From what I understand, Marie chose not to believe that Nicky and his family had been murdered, that they were all still alive somewhere in Russia.  The family just let her be. 
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie & her final resting place in Russia
Post by: Russian Art Lover on January 07, 2012, 06:24:21 PM
Did she? I think she did and she did not. This is what she wrote in a letter to her sister, Queen Mother Alexandra of England, on 18 May 1924:

"Tomorrow is my beloved Nicky’s birthday, and how awful and sad that I no longer receive news from him, and do not even have any idea where he is! But I know that, wherever he might be, the Lord assists him. But how hard it is, how painful for me -- you no doubt understand me! There are things which cannot be broached or spoken, and so I hide them all away in the very depths of my soul."
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie & her final resting place in Russia
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2012, 12:37:14 PM
The voice of a long suffering mother. Where did you find that quote ?
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie & her final resting place in Russia
Post by: Russian Art Lover on January 08, 2012, 01:15:41 PM
Sorry for not giving the reference.

It was a letter from Maria Feodorovna to her sister Queen Alexandra, Amalienborg, 18 May 1924 (now in the Hoover Institution, Stanford. Maria Feоdorovna, Empress, Box 15, Folder 1).

Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie & her final resting place in Russia
Post by: TimM on January 12, 2012, 12:40:05 AM
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"Tomorrow is my beloved Nicky’s birthday, and how awful and sad that I no longer receive news from him, and do not even have any idea where he is! But I know that, wherever he might be, the Lord assists him. But how hard it is, how painful for me -- you no doubt understand me! There are things which cannot be broached or spoken, and so I hide them all away in the very depths of my soul."

Sounds like the poor woman never really wanted to give up hope, but in her heart, she must have known.
Title: Re: Reburial of Empress Marie & her final resting place in Russia
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 12, 2012, 09:09:50 AM
That was what exactly Olga told Ian Vorres in his book on her.