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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) => Topic started by: gleb on June 07, 2005, 01:15:26 PM

Title: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: gleb on June 07, 2005, 01:15:26 PM
Is already there a topic on the Neues Palais in Darmstadt?

Do you have pics? a plan?

Thanks so much  in advance
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: rita on July 09, 2005, 05:50:38 PM
In the Gedächtniskapelle - memorychapel - in Wolfsgarten are many commemorative plaques. Some of them are dedicated to the IF, other have only abbreviates of names. Who are these for?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: VN on December 15, 2005, 03:48:11 PM
A new book is out about the "Neues Palais". This week there was a lecture about the book and Palais from the author in the Staatsarchiv in DA. Here the details:

Das Darmstädter Neue Palais - von Petra Tücks (Art Historian)

Verlag der Hessischen Historischen Kommission Darmstadt,

400 Seiten (Pages), price: €56.-


It shows alot of unpublished material like sketches, pictures, plans (thats what the newspaper writes)

Unfortunatly I coundn't go, the Darmstädter Echo announced it really late. But I definitly will have a look at the book. If there is a ISBN, I will post it here, as soon as possible


VN
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: VN on December 17, 2005, 02:34:12 PM
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A new book is out about the "Neues Palais". This week there was a lecture about the book and Palais from the author in the Staatsarchiv in DA. Here the details:

Das Darmstädter Neue Palais - von Petra Tücks (Art Historian)

Verlag der Hessischen Historischen Kommission Darmstadt,

400 Seiten (Pages), price: €56.-


It shows alot of unpublished material like sketches, pictures, plans (thats what the newspaper writes)

Unfortunatly I coundn't go, the Darmstädter Echo announced it really late. But I definitly will have a look at the book. If there is a ISBN, I will post it here, as soon as possible


VN





I just bought the book today and it is a great book. A lot of information about the different periods; from the planing of the building (architectual aspects etc.) to the interior decorations, rooms etc. The later years when the Arts & Crafts influence came up.

Pictures of the different rooms of Alice, even of their earlier home Prinz-Karl Palais.

I would say, even if you can't read german it is worth getting for everyone who is interested in the Hessian Familiy.

ISBN: 3-88443-302-4

It is published by the 'Selbstverlag der Hessischen Historischen Kommission Darmstadt und der Historischen Kommission Hessen'

Titel:  Das Darmstädter Neue Palais von Petra Tücks


You could try to get it over:

Hess. Historische Kommission,
Karolinenplatz 3
64289 Darmstadt

FAX: 06151- 165901

From abroad it would be: +49 6151-165901




Greetings VN
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on January 11, 2006, 10:31:08 AM
Indeed a lovely book. I got my copy yesterday.  :D

The book is certainly not an easy-reading book about the Hessian Grand-ducal family. It is actually Petra Tücks' Ph.D. thesis and describes - as far as I could see at first glance -  the history, architectual characteristics and interior decorating of the New Palace thoroughly and in great detail.

I haven't read it yet, so I cannot say anything about the text, but the photos, sketches and watercolour paintings may be of interest to those who are interested in how the family lived. The book offers several floorplans of the New Palace, photos of the exterior of the palace from different angles and from different periods, as well as clear photos and sketches of various rooms, characteristic pieces of furniture, lamps, wall decorations etc.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: rita on March 19, 2006, 12:18:05 PM
In this year the park of Wolfsgarten will be open at May 13 and 14 and May 20 and 21. It is very interesting.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Ilana on March 21, 2006, 11:45:10 AM
Couldn't get the link, but I've been there and it's a lovely, lovely place.  If it's possible to visit, I suggest anyone who can to visit.  What I love about Darmstadt is that you can FEEL Ernie there, and Wolfsgarten is no exception.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: grandduchessella on March 21, 2006, 03:22:11 PM
That's a great description Ilana. BTW, when's the book due?  :)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: grandduchessella on March 21, 2006, 04:36:20 PM
Some images from the article:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/Picture4355wolfsgartenwindoww.jpg)

The window with signatures ranging from AF & NII to Charles & Diana to Mick Jagger and Dame Edna.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: grandduchessella on March 21, 2006, 04:38:49 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/Picture4356wolfsgartenw.jpg)

A table with Jugendstil objects (which GD Ernst like to collect) and a small portrait (based on the one below). It's located in a small room off the grand salon

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/ernst-ludwig-gross.jpg)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: grandduchessella on March 21, 2006, 04:59:38 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/Picture4357wolfsgartendeskw.jpg)

A desk and embossed leather chair in EL's study. The desk is covered with Jugendstil objects. The chair is by Otto Eckmann who was a painter who changed to the 'applied arts'. Eckmann had created a whole suite for EL in 1897 and this chair was part of it. There are also numerous photos on the desk. These seem to be those (left to right):

Ernie
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/ebay67891w.jpg)

Alexei shoveling snow
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/b7_31w.jpg)

a bi-fold of Ella
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/ella13w.jpg)(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/ef1w.jpg)

Alexandra
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/img766aw.jpg)

Front and center of the desk is Elisabeth of Hesse. I've looked through my collection and I can't find one that seems to match. It looks like one of the set where she's wearing the white dress and perhaps holding flowers.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: grandduchessella on March 21, 2006, 05:08:06 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/Picture4358wolfsgartenbedroomw.jpg)

A Victorian desk in an upstairs bedroom. There are several family portraits. The one in the center looks to be Ernie based on the von Angeli portrait of the family painted shortly before Alice's death. There also seems to be one of Ludwig below it to the left and so, presumably, the pendant on to it on the right, is probably Alice though it's hard to tell. The portrait to the right of Ernie looks like it could also be him though perhaps it's one of his sons. It might be more obvious if the pendant portrait on the left was visible.

The family portrait
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/va148.jpg)

detail of Ernie
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/va148erniedetail.jpg)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: grandduchessella on March 21, 2006, 10:11:50 PM
In the article it says that Landgrave Moritz wants to make more of the property and artworks more accessible to the public. 'I watned to make our museum collections more known to the general public...We want Americans to come and see our palaces, all fully furnished with original paintings and tapestries and our antiques, porcelain and silver.'  The recent Hesse exhibit was a 'first-ever viewing of pieces that in some cases had been hidden from the public eye for centuries'.

So while 2 Hese properties aren't open to the public, it sounds like there will be more availability for people to see and appreciate. And who knows what the future will bring in future years? I remember when only the one gallery was open at Buckingham Palace back in 1992 when I was in London, then larger areas of BP were supposed to just be opened temporarily (I think it was to raise money to help defray the costs of the fire at Windsor Castle) and now they are open for large parts of the year.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: bluetoria on March 22, 2006, 05:12:32 AM
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The family portrait
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/va148.jpg)



This is very interesting!  Is this portrait in Wolfsgarten as it also hangs in the dining room of Osborne House? Are there two copies of it? It is very beautiful, and the family really comes to life on it.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: grandduchessella on March 22, 2006, 08:45:27 AM
No, BT. Sorry for confusion. I was just using it to show the detail of Ernie and how the portrait on the wall at Wolfsgarten seems to be based on the sitting. I think the only copy was at Osborne.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: grandduchessella on March 22, 2006, 08:47:43 AM
VN--I think he probably only mentioned Americans specifically because it's by & large an untapped market. There's probably more awareness of the Hessians (and the Romanov connection) in Europe, and especially in Germany. Most Americans tourists (and the US has been very fertile ground for various Romanov exhibits) probably don't realize that visiting Darmstadt is a link to the Romanovs. Once they're exposed, they'd hopefully appreciate it for itself as well. Many castles and palaces due a lot of business with foreign tourists and help to actually maintain a lot of the history and objects--perhaps this is the hope of the Landgrave as well.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: jfkhaos on March 22, 2006, 10:48:57 AM
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No, BT. Sorry for confusion. I was just using it to show the detail of Ernie and how the portrait on the wall at Wolfsgarten seems to be based on the sitting. I think the only copy was at Osborne.


This painting was hung in the Dining Room at Osborne House, along with family groups of Vicky and her family, and Bertie and his.  As you can see in the picture I have included below, Alice's group was to the left of the doorway, Bertie's to the right, and Vicky's on the wall in the left of the picture.
(http://www.propascene.com/exhibithighlight/Osbourne_House.jpg)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: jfkhaos on March 22, 2006, 10:51:07 AM
In the letters of Princess Alice that were published with a forward by Princess Helena, this portrait is discussed (I believe it is, I can't find my book!) and there was some discussion on exactly which children should be in the painting.  Are there any additional family paintings at Wolfsgarten that some wonderful poster may have access to and post them?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: grandduchessella on March 22, 2006, 03:26:37 PM
Yes, she wrote to QV about it. She was very pleased with how it was coming along. Victoria was left out because it was felt she was 'too big' and would throw the composition off. I don't know why Irene & May weren't included. Alice wrote that von Angeli thought Alix and May an adorable little pair. Most of the work was done before the illness his the family--all the preliminary sketches and photographs that were taken of the family during the sittings--but von Angeli apparently relied a bit on a prior work he'd done on Alice to finish her in the group portrait. When the GD brought his sorrowing family to visit QV in Feb 1879, he brought the now-finished portrait with him. QV was very pleased with it.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Keith on June 15, 2006, 01:59:15 PM
I was in Darmstadt in 1992, and thought I toured the Neus Palais, but looking at my pictures, I just have palce Darmstadt written on the back. I was under the impression that the Neus Palais was destroyed during WWII, but was rebuilt. If anyone has been in Darmstadt, the one I visited was at the bottom of a hill which the Russian Chapel was on. It wasn't far from the burial site of the family.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on June 15, 2006, 04:19:47 PM
Keith, you probably visited the Schloss, the Residential Palace, which houses the Schloss Museum and a library. This Residential Palace is the palace where the family lived for almost a year after the death of Grand Duchess Alice and May in 1878, while the New Palace was desinfected.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Keith on June 15, 2006, 07:07:07 PM
Thanks Helen. I think that is the one I did visit.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on June 16, 2006, 11:55:30 AM
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I wrote the following Information already in the Subject "Neues Palais", but I have the feeling that it should  belong here, also:

A new book is published about the Neue Palais in Darmstadt. It is very interesting. A lot of information about the architectural aspects of the building, planing etc. great pictures of the rooms etc.
Title: Das Darmstädter Neue Palais
Author: Petra Tücks
Price: € 56,-,

You should be able to order it under following address:

   Hessische Historische Kommission
   Karolinenplatz 3
   D -  64289 Darmstadt

   FAX: 06151-165901

Greetings VN
VN posted the above information under Alexandra's Childhood Homes some time ago. It's quite a heavy book, a PhD thesis about the architecture and interior decorating of the New Palace at Darmstadt.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Paola on September 05, 2006, 07:45:04 AM
Iam searching for information about Schloss Heiligenberg, the family seat of the Battenbergs, like floorplans and pictures, also of the interiors.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Ilana on September 05, 2006, 12:16:45 PM
Where are you?  Is it possible for you to visit?  It's not a tourist destination, it's a teacher's school, but you could probably get permission.  As for layouts?  I don't know, perhaps you could ask Greg King if such a thing exists.

Good luck.

Ilana
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: VN on September 05, 2006, 02:05:45 PM
Iam searching for information about Schloss Heiligenberg, the family seat of the Battenbergs, like floorplans and pictures, also of the interiors.

Thanks.

On Saturday the 9 Sept. you should have a chance to see more of Heiligenberg, if you live nearby. No tour through the Schloß, but the little graveyard where Alex & Julie are burried is normally opend on "Tag des deutschen Denkmals. Also the Memorialchapel is open then.

But I haven't talked to the man recently who is the caretaker of that place, but normally he gives a tour on that day. If you plan to come to Jugenheim from further away, you could write me a PM and I could contact him just to make sure he is there.

Also Schloß Seeheim will be open for a public viewing, they are renovating it at the moment, it isn't  finished yet. But I don't know the exact time etc.

For more Information on pictures you could also pm me, maybe I could help you out.

 

Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 05, 2006, 02:38:55 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/Picture4356wolfsgartenw.jpg)
A table with Jugendstil objects (which GD Ernst like to collect) and a small portrait (based on the one below). It's located in a small room off the grand salon

Did you see the framed 1898 photo of Alix and Ella to the left behind the vases?

And the little marble statue in the photo of the green drawing room (to the far right - hardly to see) is "Princess Alice as Spring" by Mary Thornycroft.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 05, 2006, 02:46:06 PM
Wow, fascinating!! Such lovely things. It is wonderful they have been preserved  :)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Paola on September 05, 2006, 03:00:08 PM
I live in  Switzerland. I was once in Heiligenberg but the building which is now a teacher's school was not open,   so the little  graveyard and chapel. I would like to know if there are pictures of the interiors. Maybe only in the archives in Darmstadt?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: grandduchessella on September 05, 2006, 04:23:27 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/Picture4356wolfsgartenw.jpg)
A table with Jugendstil objects (which GD Ernst like to collect) and a small portrait (based on the one below). It's located in a small room off the grand salon

Did you see the framed 1898 photo of Alix and Ella to the left behind the vases?

And the little marble statue in the photo of the green drawing room (to the far right - hardly to see) is "Princess Alice as Spring" by Mary Thornycroft.

I think is the photo:
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/img544.jpg)

and this is the Thornycroft statue of Alice (she did most of QV's children in some form--Vicky, Bertie, Alice, Affie, Helena and Louise)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/princess-alice-1848.jpg)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Ilana on September 05, 2006, 05:31:59 PM
That's interesting about their renovating Schloss Seeheim.  I have been there, but it was completely delapidated, and it is, afterall, where Louis proposed to Victoria.  I'm glad they're doing that....
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: VN on September 06, 2006, 04:33:05 AM
That's interesting about their renovating Schloss Seeheim.  I have been there, but it was completely delapidated, and it is, afterall, where Louis proposed to Victoria.  I'm glad they're doing that....


An Investor is renovating the Schloß; in the Park they are planning to build, I think, 12 mansions. They call them Villas. A lot of people where opposing those plans. But now they will be build. But maybe this is the price the village has to pay, and Schloß Seeheim is saved.

Not only that Louis proposed to Victoria. Ludwig III loved to stay in Seeheim, this is where his Morganatic wife Magdalena Appel took care of him in his last years and this is where he died. I allway thought that it was a real shame that this place was so neglected, considering the historical value. (In my opinion).

Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 06, 2006, 05:09:20 AM
Where is Schloss Seeheim ? Is it near Heiligenberg ? ???
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 06, 2006, 12:20:21 PM
Seeheim is a small, very small village located next to Jugenheim. Maybe 5 Minutes by car from Schloss to Schloss.

VN, I did not know that the building of the houses on the Seeheim estate is definite now.....the last article I read stated that it would probably NOT be the case....How can people dare defacing the grounds....This may not be a question of money....

I know, by the way, that there are photographs or at least drawings of the rooms at Heiligenberg in the Darmstadt archive
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on September 07, 2006, 02:32:31 AM
The deplorable state it was in last year was due to a fire.  :'(

It wasn't owned by the Hesse family any more, at least not as far as I know:  although Ernst Ludwig was allowed to keep certain properties after the revolution of 1918, Schloss Seeheim was not one of them.

In his memoirs, Ernst Ludwig mentioned some of the plans he had had for his country that were destroyed by the revolution. He had wanted to build a new mansion on top of the hill, according to his own taste, as a personal statement for later generations, as he had always preserved and embellished older, existing buildings built by others, but had never built one himself.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: VN on September 07, 2006, 04:44:14 AM
Seeheim is a small, very small village located next to Jugenheim. Maybe 5 Minutes by car from Schloss to Schloss.

VN, I did not know that the building of the houses on the Seeheim estate is definite now.....the last article I read stated that it would probably NOT be the case....How can people dare defacing the grounds....This may not be a question of money....

I know, by the way, that there are photographs or at least drawings of the rooms at Heiligenberg in the Darmstadt archive

Hallo Thomas_Hesse  :)

A few months ago a woman I know, she lives right next to the park, she should know,  told me that those villas will be build. I was wondering, because I also thought they where reconsidering the plan. We will see.....eventhought the renovation of Schloß Seeheim is great, to imagine the park being distroyed isn't so nice. It has (had  :-\) such a tranquil atmosphere.

Grüße von der Sandro  :-* und Johanna Freundin  ;)

Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 07, 2006, 09:19:18 AM
Sandro lived there ?  ???
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: grandduchessella on September 07, 2006, 11:15:19 AM
Here are some sites with photos of Heiligenberg




http://www.landhausamweinberg.de/luftbild_schloss_heiligenberg.html
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: VN on September 07, 2006, 01:50:39 PM
Sandro lived there ?  ???

NO!! Sorry for the missunderstanding. This was an inside joke for Thomas_Hesse, we know eachother.

It means 'Greetings from Sandro and Johannas Friend (Girlfriend)'  ;)

But Sandro visited Seeheim when the family went there to visit Uncle Louis III. Like Thomas said, Seeheim is very close to Jugenheim.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 07, 2006, 10:02:11 PM
Okay ! Thanks for clearing that one up !

Also thanks for the pics of Schloss Heiligenberg. I will definitely go there next year. Within my stay in Darmstadt.  ;)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: rita on September 13, 2006, 11:06:56 AM
Dear grandduchessella,
if the shown proberty is Heiligenberg in Hessen the governments teacher trainig center I will join every training  ;)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on September 13, 2006, 11:48:42 AM
Dear Rita,

Yes, you can! I don't know whether you can see the cross from the old scenic road through Seeheim and Jugenheim, but you can certainly see it from the B3. :) :)

LG
Helen
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: grandduchessella on September 13, 2006, 06:40:11 PM
Oh, is it the Heilingenberg in southern Germany? (I just googled around) That's disappointing. I had wondered if it was the SH since I didn't know how a Furstenberg would come into possession but there wasn't enough follow-up as of yesterday that indicated it.  :(
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Sarai on January 29, 2007, 02:49:46 PM
I am glad to see that a book has been published about the Neues Palais in Darmstadt. I have been intrigued by that place for a long time, as it was the childhood home of Alix and her siblings. Plus since it was sadly destroyed and I haven't seen many pictures of it, it holds a kind of mystique for me.

The problem is that I don't know any German, so I was wondering are there enough pictures to make it worth spending the nearly $100 USD that I have seen it selling for? I have read this thread and the consensus seems to be that, despite it being a scholarly work and not a particularly easy read as Helen put it, it still worth getting. I guess I'm just looking for some more recommendations and reassurances...

Are there any other books on this palace out there (I don't imagine there are)?

A new book is out about the "Neues Palais". This week there was a lecture about the book and Palais from the author in the Staatsarchiv in DA. Here the details:

Das Darmstädter Neue Palais - von Petra Tücks (Art Historian)

Verlag der Hessischen Historischen Kommission Darmstadt,

400 Seiten (Pages), price: €56.-


It shows alot of unpublished material like sketches, pictures, plans (thats what the newspaper writes)

Unfortunatly I coundn't go, the Darmstädter Echo announced it really late. But I definitly will have a look at the book. If there is a ISBN, I will post it here, as soon as possible


VN

Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: VN on January 30, 2007, 03:16:19 PM
Hallo Sarai

I would say that it is worth buying, even if you don't understand/read german. If you have a german dictionary you will find out easily what the description next to the pictures mean. It contains beautiful pictures of the house itself and the interior.

Greetings VN
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on January 30, 2007, 04:10:03 PM
Sarai: The book is beautiful, but also quite large and heavy - almost 2 kilos - so you'ld better factor in high shipping costs.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Gabriella on March 29, 2007, 11:50:19 AM
This year the park of Wolfsgarten is opened 19. and 20.05.2007 and 27. and 28.05.2007. It's very nice there at this time because of the blossom of the many rhododentrons and azaleas.

The park will also be opened in September, 21. till 23.09.2007.

Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: dmitri on August 15, 2007, 09:47:04 AM
Has anybody any photos of the Royal Burial site of the Hesse-Darmstadt family? I would like to see the graves of George Donatus and Cecilie and their sons as well as Grand Duke Ernst and also Grand Duchess Alice, daughter of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on August 15, 2007, 11:45:11 AM
Dmitri, You can find links to various photos of the interior of the New Mausoleum in Darmstadt at http://www.leute.server.de/wittur/Mausoleum/Mausoleum.html (http://www.leute.server.de/wittur/Mausoleum/Mausoleum.html).
Ludwig IV 's sarcophagus: http://www.leute.server.de/wittur/Mausoleum/Mausoleumsbilder/Norden/NLudwig.jpg (http://www.leute.server.de/wittur/Mausoleum/Mausoleumsbilder/Norden/NLudwig.jpg)
Alice's sarcophagus: http://www.leute.server.de/wittur/Mausoleum/Mausoleumsbilder/Sueden/SAlice.jpg (http://www.leute.server.de/wittur/Mausoleum/Mausoleumsbilder/Sueden/SAlice.jpg)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: dmitri on August 15, 2007, 07:19:26 PM
Thanks for those Helen very much. The one of Alice is particularly touching. She looks like she is simply asleep. What a fine sculptor he/she must have been.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Sarai on October 19, 2007, 02:04:10 PM
I have been searching for this book recently but have not been able to find it through Amazon (Germany), AbeBooks, Addall, or Bookfinder. I would like to purchase a copy, and would like to know where those who have one have acquired theirs from or if someone knows of a bookseller currently selling it. Thank you.

A new book is out about the "Neues Palais". This week there was a lecture about the book and Palais from the author in the Staatsarchiv in DA. Here the details:

Das Darmstädter Neue Palais - von Petra Tücks (Art Historian)

Verlag der Hessischen Historischen Kommission Darmstadt,

400 Seiten (Pages), price: €56.-


It shows alot of unpublished material like sketches, pictures, plans (thats what the newspaper writes)

Unfortunatly I coundn't go, the Darmstädter Echo announced it really late. But I definitly will have a look at the book. If there is a ISBN, I will post it here, as soon as possible


VN


Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on October 19, 2007, 04:15:04 PM
I got my copy directly from the Hessischen Historischen Kommission Darmstadt. The book is listed as Number 148 at http://www.staatsarchiv-darmstadt.hessen.de/irj/HStAD_Internet?uid=279306f2-31c4-4311-1010-4348d91954e0 (http://www.staatsarchiv-darmstadt.hessen.de/irj/HStAD_Internet?uid=279306f2-31c4-4311-1010-4348d91954e0) . Contact details - fax number and e-mail address - of the Hessischen Historischen Kommission are are given at the right, under "Bestelladresse".
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Sarai on October 23, 2007, 09:37:32 AM
Thank you for the information.

I got my copy directly from the Hessischen Historischen Kommission Darmstadt. The book is listed as Number 148 at http://www.staatsarchiv-darmstadt.hessen.de/irj/HStAD_Internet?uid=279306f2-31c4-4311-1010-4348d91954e0 (http://www.staatsarchiv-darmstadt.hessen.de/irj/HStAD_Internet?uid=279306f2-31c4-4311-1010-4348d91954e0) . Contact details - fax number and e-mail address - of the Hessischen Historischen Kommission are are given at the right, under "Bestelladresse".
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Norbert on January 28, 2008, 12:34:44 PM
It would be nice to see a photograph of the palace before it was destroyed.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Paola on January 29, 2008, 02:10:58 AM
Is it possible by this picture to know from which  window fell little Fritz, in that fatal morning in May 1873? Ans is there any picture of the palace showing  the memorial window Grand Duchess Alice made for her son?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on January 29, 2008, 03:29:58 PM
It is the window directly to the left of the rotunda on the first floor. This was the Grand Duchess's bedroom whereas the room with the rotunda was used for receptions. The window was removed by her son soon after his ascending the throne - the rooms were occupied then by his sister Princess Alix the future Tsarina Alexandra.
I have seen a photograph of the window in the State Archive of Hesse in Darmstadt - preserved in an album with photographs showing the rooms of the Neues Palais
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Paola on January 30, 2008, 01:09:57 AM
Thanks Thomas. It is interesting to know the memorial window still exists.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 30, 2008, 01:18:17 PM
Very interesting, thank you Thomas! The Palais looks beautiful, such a shame it was lost. It would be wonderful to see more photos of the interior. What's on the site of the Palais today?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on January 31, 2008, 10:21:28 AM
I don't know what happened to the window after having been removed from the bedroom. Certainly it was stored somewhere - I do not know whether it is still existing.

On the former Palais's site is a little "park" today - kind of square with some fountains, shrubbery etc - whereas in the 1960ies the new theater was built up in the former Neues Palais Park
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 02, 2008, 03:24:47 PM
Thank you. It's interesting why Ernie chose to remove the window. I recall reading that the window Fittie fell from was overlooked by another window and he was looking to see if he could see Ernie. I presume that was the window of the rotunda?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Riedesel on February 27, 2008, 01:50:44 PM
Hello,

My first post to this forum. I hope I get it right.
I live in Darmstadt just around the corner from where the Neues Palais was. And I am interested -in a very amateur way- in all things concerned with the Hesse-Darmstadt RF.
Here is a (thumbnail) picture of the Neues Palais taken from the SW looking NE into the garden. I scanned it from "DARMSTADT Ein verlorenes Stadtbild ISBN 3-86134-243-x"

(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/Riedesel_photo/th_NeuesPalais1952.jpg) (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/Riedesel_photo/NeuesPalais1952.jpg)
The view is from the south west looking north east into the rear garden.

the next picture is an aerial view taken in 1952. The Palais is still standing, just. the view is from the southeat looking north west. I scanned it from "Rundflug über DARMSTADT in den 50er und 60er Jahren ISBN 3-86134-683-4"

(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/Riedesel_photo/th_NeuesPalaisDA.jpg) (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/Riedesel_photo/NeuesPalaisDA.jpg)

So, I hope that worked. I was following the very helpful directions from Laura Mabee (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,771.0.html)

Greetings from the ehemalige Hauptstadt Hessens
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Riedesel on February 27, 2008, 02:15:27 PM
Well, I managed to mess that up a bit and got the images reversed! Sorry.

BTW, on the picture of the ruined Palais at the bottom, just right of center, is the Pss Alice memorial. It is casting a long, thin shadow. it is still in good condition and today the lawn  behind it is full of yellow and blue crocuses. Very pretty.

greetings
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 27, 2008, 02:30:26 PM
Welcome Riedesel and thank you so much for sharing those interesting pictures. It's so sad to see the palace is just a shell from the air. It's situated on a great big plot of land, I wonder what the gardens looked like.

Any idea when the other photo was taken? It's a nice view of such an imposing building. I'm sure I recognise the steps from photos of the Hesse sisters with there spouses!

It would be wonderful to see some interior photos of the palace in its hey day!
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on February 28, 2008, 04:16:41 AM
Willkommen Riedesel! Ein echter Heiner hier - perfekt :)

My heart hurts as often as I see the destroyed edifices...Darmstadt has lost so much...but fortunately large part of the collections in the Neues Palais was safed (especially the Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig's most outstanding collections of Art Noveau and of miniatures from 5 centuries) when in 1941 his son Ludwig decided to sell the Palais and to live at Wolfsgarten permanently. In the following he had brought most of the furniture etc to that place.
The Schlossmuseum Darmstadt still preserves a number of objects from the personal rooms of Grand Duchess Alice, Ludwig IV and Princess Alix etc originally in the NP.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Riedesel on February 28, 2008, 02:03:55 PM
Hello Thomas. Not really an "echter Heiner", more a "zu g'schneiter" ;-)

The  Schlossmuseum is really an Alladins Cave for all things concerning the Hesse RF.
Their web page is, unfortunately, only in german. http://www.schlossmuseum-darmstadt.de/start.htm (http://www.schlossmuseum-darmstadt.de/start.htm)

On this Sunday there is a special tour "Führung Darmstädter Prinzessinnen und russische Zaren" (Tour Darmstadt Princesses and russian Czars)
The perfect topic. I am really looking forward to it and will try to post a report on one of the more appropriate forums here.

Hello Eddieboy. Unfortunately the date of the photo was not given but it must be sometime after 1900. The Palais was originally built with a flat roof. In 1900 GD Ernst-Ludwig had a 'Mansard' roof put on it to be more in keeping with the Darmstadt town architecture.

greeings
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on February 28, 2008, 02:51:59 PM
so we will meet i presume....i am working in the schlossmuseum
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Gabriella on February 28, 2008, 07:52:59 PM
Hello,

for all interested:

The park of Wolfsgarten will be opened this year 11. - 12.05.2008 and 17. - 18.05.2008. That's the time the rhododentrons and azaleas are in full blossom.

The park will be opened, too, in September for "Das Fürstliche Gartenfest Schloss Wolfsgarten", english "Princely Gardening Event of Wolfsgarten Castle". That takes place 19. - 21.09.2008 and it's a garding exhibition and sales event where you can buy a lot of plants, things used for gardening and lot of other useful things. Patron of this fair is  Landgrave Moritz of Hesse.

In June "Das Fürstliche Gartenfest Schloss Fasanerie", english "Princely Gardening Event of Fasanerie Castle" takes at Fasanerie Castle. That's a baroque castle which is owned by the Hessische Hausstiftung, a foundation that was founded by the Landgraves of Hesse-Cassel in 1928 to save their properties, otherwise they would have become nationalized.
The castle is located near Fulda, a town northeast of Frankfurt on the Main, and it contains a museum which shows a lot of furniture and furnishings of the 18th and 19th century and a large collection of pictures and bone china.

Enclosed some pictures of my last visit to the park of Wolfsgarten:

Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Riedesel on March 03, 2008, 01:12:14 PM
Hi Thomas, nice to have met you.

The tour was very good.
Please thank your colleague, she made it all very interesting and many little anecdotes about the families Hessen-Darmstadt and Romanov.

greetings
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 04, 2008, 02:29:32 PM
Heyho :)

I am sorry that there was no time to talk to you properly! But there were so many people around...
Glad that you liked the tour! I would have liked to join it too -
I will guide the "Fürstenfrauen" in April (which is not as popular as our Russian ladies ^^)

As for the photo of the NP: I think it dates from the 1920ies when the Grand Ducal House still occupied large number of the rooms
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Gabriella on April 14, 2008, 04:08:24 PM
Hello, Thomas,

me and my husband we took part in your tour about the "Fürstenfrauen" in Schlossmuseum in Darmstadt. We enjoyed it very much. Thank you for the many information about the wives of the landgraves and the granddukes. It's a pity that apart form Karoline (wife of Landgrave Ludwig IX), the Grandduchesses Mathilde (wife of Ludwig III), Alice and Eleonore as well as Princess Margaret there is so little known and so little information about them.

Thank you also for showing the pretty picture of Viktoria-Melita and pointing out that she was far too young for the role of the "Landesmutter".
I agree with you that she had been overstrained with that role and as you point out the result was her unprofessional conduct as grandduchess.

I also agree with you about little Princess Elizabeth. Had she lived longer Grandduke Ernst-Ludwig would have made her his sucessor and abolshed the Salic law for Hesse-Darmstadt. 

Thank you very much.

Regards,

Gabriella



 
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: VN on August 21, 2008, 11:07:20 AM
If anyone lives nearby you can visit Schloß Heiligenberg on Sunday, 14th September. Due to the "Tag des offenen Denkmals" (translated it would mean something like "Day of the national Monuments ?!") there will be a tour each hour around the grounds of Schloß Heiligenberg, the Mousoleum will be opend.  Start 14.00 Uhr - 18.00 Uhr.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Alexandre64 on August 26, 2008, 02:58:57 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Hesse/vlcsnap-158375.png)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Hesse/vlcsnap-158483.png)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Hesse/vlcsnap-158828.png)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Hesse/vlcsnap-159195.png)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on August 26, 2008, 04:17:28 AM
If everybody goes to Wolfsgarten why don't we organize a little "forum-members-meeting"?! =)  Would be nice to meet you all and to dicuss in realiter (!)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Alexandre64 on August 26, 2008, 04:29:20 AM
Unfortunately for me, the photos that I had just come from a set documentaries, I have not yet had the chance to go to Wolfsgarten
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on August 26, 2008, 04:54:40 AM

Oh I see.... but then, mon cher, it is time to change that :) It really is a lovely place
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: VN on August 26, 2008, 02:37:47 PM
Like I posted above, there will be a little tour around the grounds of the Schloß. The Schloß will NOT be opened!!. Last Year visitors came and thought that there would be a tour in Schloß Heiligenberg. But this is not the case. Maybe we will have a few pictures put up which show one or two rooms and their interior design. If everything works out the way I'd like it to be, there will be also very interesting Pictures shown which I found at Broadlands Archiv (copies) and from the Historical Sociaty of Jugenheim.  I don't want to promise too much, but it should be slightly different than last year!!
 
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 09, 2008, 06:01:16 PM
Seeheim is indeed a lovely village and so tranquil a spot near bustling Frankfurt. I've spent much time there on business. Delightful. Schoss Frankenstein is nearby as well.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 28, 2008, 03:54:53 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Hesse/vlcsnap-27182.png)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Hesse/vlcsnap-27517.png)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Sarastasia on September 30, 2008, 08:43:38 AM
Heya everyone!!

I am so glad that I stumble upon this thread; I was researching the 'Neues Palais' earlier and struggling to find any decent info on the internet.

It's such a shame that the Palais no longer exists - I would've loved to visited it, what with it's connection to Alix. Does anyone actually know what destroyed it? Was it allied bombing raids? Was it the Gestapo as they fled? Or did it just fall into disrepair?

I love Germany and German history very much - are there any other places in Germany with a Romanov connection??
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 30, 2008, 09:30:19 AM

The Palais was destroyed during the terrible attack on Darmstadt on Sept. 11th 1944 - like 80% of the whole city. The ruin however was blown to bits in the 1950ies in order to make way to a park named "Georg-Büchner Anlage" whereas the new State's Theatre was errected in the former Palais Garden.

In Germany there are numerous cities and places connected to the Romanows: Wiesbaden has a most wonderful Russian Chapel errected to honor Elisaweta Mikhailovna Grand Duchess of Russia, Duchess of Nassau. Bad Nauheim as one too - inaugurated by Nicholas II. in 1896. Stuttgart has one due to Queen Olga Nikolaevna and her niece Vera Konstantinovna, both married to members of the Württemberg Royal House. There is even one in Weimar dedicated to Maria Pawlowna Grand Duchess of Sachsen Weimar Eisenach (whose mother in law was a Darmstadt Princess and ancestor of Alexandra Feodorovna too).
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Sarastasia on September 30, 2008, 10:33:01 AM

The Palais was destroyed during the terrible attack on Darmstadt on Sept. 11th 1944 - like 80% of the whole city. The ruin however was blown to bits in the 1950ies in order to make way to a park named "Georg-Büchner Anlage" whereas the new State's Theatre was errected in the former Palais Garden.

In Germany there are numerous cities and places connected to the Romanows: Wiesbaden has a most wonderful Russian Chapel errected to honor Elisaweta Mikhailovna Grand Duchess of Russia, Duchess of Nassau. Bad Nauheim as one too - inaugurated by Nicholas II. in 1896. Stuttgart has one due to Queen Olga Nikolaevna and her niece Vera Konstantinovna, both married to members of the Württemberg Royal House. There is even one in Weimar dedicated to Maria Pawlowna Grand Duchess of Sachsen Weimar Eisenach (whose mother in law was a Darmstadt Princess and ancestor of Alexandra Feodorovna too).

Thank you very much for the information!!!!!

There's also a Russian chapel in Bad Ems, I believe, erected in honour of Alix... Am I right??
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on October 01, 2008, 02:21:36 AM
There's also a Russian chapel in Bad Ems, I believe, erected in honour of Alix... Am I right??
Yes, Bad Ems does have a Russian church.  :) It was not built in honour of Princess Alix of Hesse (1872-1918), though, but in honour of Alexandra Feodorovna (1798-1860), née Princess Charlotte of Prussia, wife of Nicholas I. The Church in Bad Ems is dedicated to Saint Alexandra, the wife of the Roman Emperor Diocletian.


Bad Nauheim as one too - inaugurated by Nicholas II. in 1896.
??? Isn't the Russian church in Bad Nauheim the Reinhardskirche, built in the 1730s as an Evangelical church and used as an Orthodox church only from 1907? Or did you mean the chapel in Bad Homburg?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Sarastasia on October 01, 2008, 03:21:02 AM
There's also a Russian chapel in Bad Ems, I believe, erected in honour of Alix... Am I right??
Yes, Bad Ems does have a Russian church.  :) It was not built in honour of Princess Alix of Hesse (1872-1918), though, but in honour of Alexandra Feodorovna (1798-1860), née Princess Charlotte of Prussia, wife of Nicholas I. The Church in Bad Ems is dedicated to Saint Alexandra, the wife of the Roman Emperor Diocletian.

LOL, my bad!! But I swear I read about it being dedicated to Alexandra Fyodorovna and there being a picture of her next to the text...
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on October 01, 2008, 04:13:19 AM
Bad Nauheim as one too - inaugurated by Nicholas II. in 1896.
??? Isn't the Russian church in Bad Nauheim the Reinhardskirche, built in the 1730s as an Evangelical church and used as an Orthodox church only from 1907? Or did you mean the chapel in Bad Homburg?

Oh dear.... I am getting old. Obviously... of course you're right. Wanted to write Homburg. Sorry for that.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on October 01, 2008, 05:25:57 AM
Thank you for clearing up the confusion.  :)
The Russian church/Reinhardskirche in Bad Nauheim may be worth a visit anyway. Nicholas and Alexandra and their family attended mass there during their stay in Bad Nauheim in 1910. The church seems to have got its iconstasis from the cathedral of a Russian monastery, and Nicholas II is said to have presented the church with a 'Bronzeluester' (bronze chandelier?). (See http://www.denkmalschutz.de/reinhardskirche_badnauheim.html and  http://www.russische-kirche.info/4.html)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Sarastasia on October 01, 2008, 09:20:30 AM
... and Nicholas II is said to have presented the church with a 'Bronzeluester' (bronze chandelier?)...

Yep, der Lüster --> chandelier
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on October 05, 2008, 03:07:32 PM
A desk and embossed leather chair in EL's study. The desk is covered with Jugendstil objects. The chair is by Otto Eckmann who was a painter who changed to the 'applied arts'. Eckmann had created a whole suite for EL in 1897 and this chair was part of it. There are also numerous photos on the desk. These seem to be those (left to right):
Alexandra
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/img766aw.jpg)

Actually the photo on the desk is of Ella! from the same sitting and very similar but it is the elder Hessian. Presently there are two additional photos: Alexei with Don and Lu of Hesse in a golden and one of Princess Elisabeth in a silver frame. The smallest frame contains one of Princess Alix in fancy dress dating fr 1891.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 05, 2008, 03:16:05 PM
Not surprising. Ernie was a big supporter of Jugendstil and even asked an Scottish Arts & Craft master to come to Darmstadt to design houses. I Think it was Baille Scott.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on October 14, 2008, 04:36:15 AM

This is correct! Scott and Robert Ashbee. Another rooms were decorated by the German Otto Eckmann - part of their outstanding furniture is still preserved at Wolfsgarten as well as in the Schlossmuseum Darmstadt. The Grand Duke's desk and bench have eyes made of mother-of-pearl on them. Really impressive things
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 06, 2009, 02:16:08 PM
I would love to see some photos of the interior, if possible!! :)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on March 06, 2009, 02:26:10 PM
"Das Darmstädter Neue Palais" by Petra Tücks, an art historian, is a beautiful book about the palace, its architecture and its interior decoration. It's published by Verlag der Hessischen Historischen Kommission Darmstadt. If you use this forum's Search function, I'm sure you'll find more details.  :)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 06, 2009, 02:29:48 PM
Oh, thank you Helen!! :)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on March 10, 2009, 02:04:39 AM
This year, the park of Schloss Wolfsgarten will be open to the public on 23-24 May and on 30-31 May. :)
(http://www.prinz-von-hessen.de/de/events.htm/details/4821)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Olga Maria on March 16, 2009, 10:14:43 PM
And I'm so unlucky not to visit it this year! Hmmph.

I just wonder if the house was occupied by the next generations of some other Grand Ducal family in Hesse?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on March 17, 2009, 02:58:40 AM
I think Wolfsgarten Castle went to Prinz Moritz von Hessen-Kassel and his family after the death of Princess Margaret. He doesn't seem to spend as much time there as former Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig did after 1918.

The April 2006 issue of Architectural Digest   had a wonderful article with a lot of photos of the castle's present interior and park.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 18, 2009, 05:58:47 PM
Wolfsgarten is the Landgraf's permanent residence - tho' he frequently drives to Kronberg in order to his work so he actually spends most of his time there. Ernst Ludwig would - all his lifetime - spent the winters at Darmstadt and would often go to Romrod and Tarasp as well. Wolfsgarten was his favourite but he did not stay there as often as one is inclined to think
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Olga Maria on March 18, 2009, 09:37:17 PM
Maybe because he has other interfering duties that's why he can't stay there longer than the usual.

Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on March 19, 2009, 03:15:47 AM
Ernst Ludwig would - all his lifetime - spent the winters at Darmstadt and would often go to Romrod and Tarasp as well. Wolfsgarten was his favourite but he did not stay there as often as one is inclined to think
Where did Ernst Ludwig stay when he spent the winters in Darmstadt in later years?

Almost all of Ernst Ludwig's properties were expropriated after the revolution of 1918.  Speaking from memory, I think the agreements reached in 1919 and 1930 stated that everything went to the state, with the exception of a limited number of specified properties.  The family was allowed to keep Schloss Wolfsgarten and a walled part of the Kranichstein estate and to use Schloss Romrod till Ernst Ludwig's death, and they could keep two houses previously used by staff members in Bessungerstrasse in Darmstadt, but the Residential Palace, New Palace, Schloss Seeheim and various smaller properties were all expropriated.  Although Ernst Ludwig was allowed to develop the Schloss Museum and Kranichstein Museum further, he seems not to have had the right to live in the Residential Palace or New Palace for longer periods of time after 1918. If he spent the winters in Darmstadt all his life, then where did he stay in later years? In one of the smaller former staff member houses in Bessungerstrasse?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 19, 2009, 04:14:11 AM

He would stay at the Neues Palais. It was not erected with hessian money but exculsively out of his parents own property (predom. by Princess Alice's dowry). For that reason it was not among the expropriatetd houses and as a matter of fact remained with the family until 1941 when Prince Ludwig sold it and - thank God - brought the collections of art to Wolfsgarten.
My own grandmother would be invited by the grand ducal couple to a ball in the NP in 1931 and her father would get a postcard by Count Hardenberg asking him for a visit there in 1921. The Vermögensverwaltung remained there as well.
Kranichstein - by the way - remained with the family as well until the Prince sold it to the Jägervereinigung in (I think) 1951
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on March 19, 2009, 07:34:04 AM

He would stay at the Neues Palais. It was not erected with hessian money but exculsively out of his parents own property (predom. by Princess Alice's dowry). For that reason it was not among the expropriatetd houses and as a matter of fact remained with the family until 1941 when Prince Ludwig sold it and - thank God - brought the collections of art to Wolfsgarten.
My own grandmother would be invited by the grand ducal couple to a ball in the NP in 1931 and her father would get a postcard by Count Hardenberg asking him for a visit there in 1921. The Vermögensverwaltung remained there as well.
Kranichstein - by the way - remained with the family as well until the Prince sold it to the Jägervereinigung in (I think) 1951
That's interesting - and strange! The New Palace may have been built with private money, instead of money of the state of Hesse, but the 1919 agreement states that, in principle,  all land and buildings that the Grand Duke used or which he had the usufruct of property of were expropriated, insofar as they belonged to the family estate of the grand-ducal house ("Familieneigentum  des Grossherzoglichen Hauses"), with the exception of some specified properties. Wherever the money initially had come from, it seems unlikely that the New Palace was not considered as part of this family estate. I checked the 1919 and 1930 agreements to see how it was possible that the 1919 agreement suggested the New Palace was expropriated, yet the palace was still used by the Grand Duke in 1921 and 1931. The documents aren't very clear, in my opinion. The 1919 agreement provided in a transition period in which Ernst Ludwig could clear the properties that had been expropriated. It seems likely that these provisions were implemented rather flexibly, as the 1930 agreement confirmed that ownership of any real estate belonging to the "Familieneigentum des Grossherzoglichen Hauses" had been transferred to the state of Hesse, but that - as I understand it - Ernst Ludwig was allowed to use these properties as long as necessary to allow a smooth transition for staff members and as long as the state did not need these properties for other purposes. It seems to have been a most generous agreement that left Ernst Ludwig little to complain about.

The situation with regard to Kranichstein wasn't entirely straightforward. The walled section of the Kranichstein estate was listed in the 1919 agreement as one of the properties excluded from the expropriation, insofar as that the Hofmarschallamt was allowed to 'lease' it. Sounds like a strange construction. Full ownership was returned only by the 1930 agreement, which explains why Prince Ludwig was able to sell it in 1951.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 19, 2009, 08:17:37 AM
"Das kulturelle Erbe des Hauses Hessen" (E.G.Franz) p. 141 f

"Neben dem von Queen Victoria bezahlten (which is not quite correct) Neuen Palais und der Rosenhöhe, die als Privatbesitz galten, überließ der neugeschaffene Volksstaat der Großherzogsfamilie infolge der langwierigen Abfindungsverhandlungen die Landsitze Wolfsgarten, Kranichstein und Romrod, letzteres allerdings nur für Ernst Ludwigs Lebenszeit... schon im Folgejahr 1920 kehrte man zum gewohnten Rhythmus zurück, lebte im Sommerhalbjahr in WO und in der Wintersaison im NP"
p. 143 "Den letzten Umzug von Prinz Ludwig und Prinzessin Margaret vom Darmstädter Neuen Palais nach Wolfsgarten datiert das dann abgebrochene Kammerdiener-Tagebuch traditonsgemäß auf den 7.Mai 1938..... aus dem vertragsgemäß an das Land Hessen zurückgegebenen Schloss Romrod und dem 1941 an die Stadt Darmstadt verkauften Neuen Palais.........."
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on March 19, 2009, 08:35:39 AM
Thank you for this information. The term 'family estate' ('Familieneigentum') as used in the 1919 and 1930 agreements was apparently given a very, very narrow interpretation. As I said, it seems to have been a most generous agreement that left Ernst Ludwig little to complain about.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 20, 2009, 10:13:55 AM

The reason for this is that the people loved him - within days after the revolution he would be seen walking in the streets of the capital without any security around him. He never left Darmstadt during those dark days and this even strenghtened the respect people had for him. They never forgot the goods he had done to Hesse, Darmstadt.
He would live at the NP until his death - innumerable attended his funeral.
Unfortunately - considering the closing of his Schloss- and porcelainmuseum - it seems that this love and devotion has faded...
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on March 20, 2009, 11:23:55 AM
A working group has been created to study options for a new start, as you probably know. It may very well be that they will come up with a solution before it's too late. That's their task, after all. One option that will be considered seems to be a 'merger' with the Landesmuseum across the street with a relocation of various items, but continued used of some of the rooms in the Schloss. And I'm sure that they will listen to you if you come up with a better idea or know how to balance the books.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 22, 2009, 06:13:38 PM
Sounds like a good start. Hope that there will be some improvements. It is sad for those who come to Darmstadt to see so little open to them...
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: violetta on September 29, 2009, 07:43:51 PM
i`d like to have more info on the rosenhohe palace - non-existent, destroyed in 1944 as a result of bombing.it wasn`t rebuilt.look what they have done with it!


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/384.jpg)



(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/386.jpg)


this is what the palace looked like

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/389.jpg)


i was searching the web and found the following info on the palace (it was on
 http://www.darmstadt.de/en/sights/rosenhoehe/index.html)


i found the following info

In 1894, Prince Wilhelm had the beautiful Palais Rosenhöhe built, in which Prussian diplomats were housed between 1903 and 1918. Later, the Palais was divided up into flats and finally, in 1944, it was destroyed in a bombing attack on Darmstadt.



could anyone tell me more about this palace? who was prince william, i wonder?









Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on September 30, 2009, 12:22:43 AM
This Prince Wilhelm (1845−1900) was the youngest son of Prince Karl of Hesse and by Rhine (1809-1877) and a brother of Grand Duke Ludwig IV of Hesse and by Rhine (1837-1892).
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: violetta on October 03, 2009, 01:41:14 PM
dear helen ,thank you for the info. i checked prince william in the internet but found only basic info on him. what was he famous for? did he do anything special e.g. for the benefit of hesse? helen,do you know anything about the palace ( i found only basic info)? was it famois for anything? any particularly ineresting events in this palace?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on October 03, 2009, 04:06:20 PM
He was famous for causing his mother grey hair when marrying morganatically....
The prince was a very gifted and intelligent man - highly interested in literature and fine arts. He was one of the most frequent visitors of the Bayreuth festival. But he did not play an important role at court living (due to his morganatic wife) a very private life.

The Palais Rosenhöhe was errected at his request on land he inherited from his mother who was a very wealthy woman (being the daughter of Prince and Princess Wilhelm of Prussia).
After his death it was sold and uses by artists as far as I know - until the RA bombers completely destroyed it in 1944 - like 80% of Darmstadt's city
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Helen on October 04, 2009, 03:13:49 AM
dear helen ,thank you for the info. i checked prince william in the internet but found only basic info on him. what was he famous for? did he do anything special e.g. for the benefit of hesse? helen,do you know anything about the palace ( i found only basic info)? was it famois for anything? any particularly ineresting events in this palace?
I haven't much specific information about Palais Rosenhoehe, but then, I've never really looked for such information. 'Auf der Rosenhoehe zu Darmstadt', published as No. 17 in the 'Notizen zur Ortsgeschichte' series, only provides a summary of this park's history and does not provide much specific information on Palais Rosenhoehe.

Palais Rosenhoehe was built in 1894 at the same spot where the stately home of Grand Duchess Wilhelmine once stood. The architect of Prince Wilhelm's palace was Gustav Jacobi. After Prince Wilhelm's death, the palace was used by the Prussian embassy till 1918 and then converted into housing units.  It burnt down in 1944. The upper part of the gate in the first two pictures you posted is a segment of the original gate that once stood there. An old fountain has been restored too. From the terrace and fountain one had a wonderful view of Nicholas' and Alexandra's Russian Chapel on the Mathildenhoehe in Prince Wilhelm's days. Although the trees have grown quite high, one still can see the golden domes of this pearl from here.

One more fact about Prince Wilhelm: he once saved a woman's life who tried to drown herself.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: violetta on October 04, 2009, 12:53:17 PM
helen and thomas, thanks a lot
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: violetta on October 08, 2009, 12:06:34 PM
He was famous for causing his mother grey hair when marrying morganatically....
The prince was a very gifted and intelligent man - highly interested in literature and fine arts. He was one of the most frequent visitors of the Bayreuth festival. But he did not play an important role at court living (due to his morganatic wife) a very private life.

The Palais Rosenhöhe was errected at his request on land he inherited from his mother who was a very wealthy woman (being the daughter of Prince and Princess Wilhelm of Prussia).
After his death it was sold and uses by artists as far as I know - until the RA bombers completely destroyed it in 1944 - like 80% of Darmstadt's city

i`ve been to darmstadt twice and i saw that the city looks a little bit like a patchwork. old building are near to modern ones made of glass and metal. i know that darmstadt suffered a lot during ww2.but why didn`t the Authorities decide to restore the city? then it would retain its oldish look and peculiar atmosphere.any idea?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on October 08, 2009, 01:30:41 PM

Easily explained: just look at photographs dating directly after the bombing. There was scarcely an intact building left. More than 10.000 humans had been killed, there was no food, nothing to keep warm. Most people had left what they wore.
All they wanted was to get a roof again - there was no room for architectural refinements. Plus in the 1940ies/50ies nobody was keen on rebuilding any foundation period adifices..... the style was completely different....

Fortunately some places survived! Or were restored - like the Residential Palace
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: violetta on October 11, 2009, 04:08:02 PM
i`ve always wondered why darmstadt authorities do not promote the city although this place has a lot of places of interest and it is definitely worth seeing. darmstadt can show a huge part of the european history, german history and the history of the grand duchy. darmstad is not as famous as weimar or stuttart but it also has many interesting monuments of the past.but oddly enough, the city does nothing to attract tourists. e.g. there are no maps in the newsstand and there is no tourist information. there are no cityguides either.when i was in karlsruhe i was pleased to find tourist information and maps althouhg carlsruhe is not a hot spot for tourists,either. at the tourist informaion in coburg one can borrow a special device with headphones which will guide you through basic attractions of the place. in the tourist information in coburg one can find leaflets or info on the accomodation.

i think it is important to understand that a tourist attraction is A PRODUCT whether we like it or not. and if it`s a product   the authorities should think of how to promote a certain destination and sell it to the prospective tourists.if darmstadt isn`t promoted it is UNFORTUNATELY logical that too few visitors visit the Schloss musem or the porcelain museum. is there anthority dealing with the tourist issues? who takes care of it in darmstadt?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on October 12, 2009, 03:33:16 AM

What you say is very true - especially true in case of Schloss- and Porcelain Museums.
Our citizen's action group is working on it currently - and we're all waiting for the new concept to be. The recent director has been fired now.

Keep your fingers crossed that things will turn out to be get better!
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 15, 2010, 11:28:08 AM

Wolfsgarten - The Grand Salon (Princess Margaret, The Queen's sister called it "my favourite room in Germany")

(http://www.architecturaldigest.com/images/homes/2006/04/hesse/hosl02_hesse.jpg)

The main dining room (the tapestry to the right is to be seen in a 1903 photograph of Tsarina Alexandra and her three sisters)

(http://www.architecturaldigest.com/images/homes/2006/04/hesse/hosl05_hesse.jpg)

The library - on the Louis XV. bureau plat two Fabergé frames and a bust of Tsaria Alexandra Feodorovna (1896 - Antokolsky)

(http://www.architecturaldigest.com/images/homes/2006/04/hesse/hosl06_hesse.jpg)

Empire drawing - note the exceptional Jacob-Desmalter furniture. Above the door a portrait of Caroline the Great Landgravine of Hesse-Darmstadt. On the table Mafalda di Savoia

(http://www.architecturaldigest.com/images/homes/2006/04/hesse/hosl07_hesse.jpg)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 16, 2010, 10:45:49 AM
Such beautiful rooms, thank you Thomas! Is it open to the public? Does anyone still live there? So nice to see so many original items still insitu.
I wonder what did Princess Alice think of the place when she came to Hesse?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Ilana on March 16, 2010, 11:25:25 AM
I'm not sure that it is open to the public, it may be on special days.  Prince Moritz still lives there, I believe.  Please correct me!
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 16, 2010, 11:28:56 AM
Ilana you are correct !  ;) Landgraft Moritz does lives there, but the garden is open to the public sometimes during the year.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Gabriella on March 21, 2010, 01:02:54 PM
This year the garden of Wolfsgarten is open for the public May, 15-16th and 23-24th 2010.

The Princely Gardening Event takes place Sept., 17-19th 2010.

Regards,
Gabriella.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Jamesffarley on April 21, 2010, 04:10:13 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/zob028.jpg)
Here is a floor plan I found of Wolsgarten
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Jamesffarley on April 21, 2010, 04:26:24 PM
Here is a palace with the following caption, I can't really find anything on it, but would love to learn more if anyone has any information
"Front view and plan of the palace Bolongaro in Höchst"
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2n897hj.jpg)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 21, 2010, 06:38:19 PM
Thanks. Love to see the rooms at the time of Ernie & Ducky...
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Gabriella on May 22, 2010, 06:54:21 AM
Here is a palace with the following caption, I can't really find anything on it, but would love to learn more if anyone has any information

Bolongaro Palace is a palace in baroque style built between 1772 and  1774 for Josef Maria Markus and Jakob Philipp Bolongaro. The two brothers were born in Stresa (Italy) and settled in 1735 in Frankfurt on the Main. There they owned the biggest tobacco manufactory of Europe and became very rich merchants. Because they were Roman-Catholic they did not get civil  rights in Frankfurt and so they built their palace in Hoechst, a small city lying at the Main. Today it's a urban quarter of Frankfurt.

Bolongaro Palace is the biggest palace in baroque  style that was not built for Royalty. It's situated on the Main and it's opened to the public.
The rooms are richly decorated with mirrors, wall paintings and wallpapers made of silk as well as arich decorated chapel. Today it's used for
concerts and theatre performances. 
 
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Jamesffarley on May 22, 2010, 11:16:05 AM
Very interesting! Thanks!
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: jfkhaos on September 16, 2010, 10:02:52 AM
I don't recall reading about this in this thread, but I've been rereading Hessian Tapestry again, and it mentioned that the Neues Palais was a drain on Alice's children's and grandchildren's finances.  The book also mentioned that the Neues Palais was sold in 1943 and destroyed by the RAF the following year.  Is it known whom the palace was sold to?  Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 16, 2010, 10:22:27 AM
Didn't know about that. But yes the palace was destroyed.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 16, 2010, 02:18:30 PM

It was sold in 1941 and was sold to the City of Darmstadt
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 16, 2010, 03:05:03 PM
Thank God. That means that some of the treasures escape the bombs.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 17, 2010, 02:49:54 AM

Plenty of them - much furniture, portraits etc
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 17, 2010, 11:07:29 AM
Wonder where they are stored now ?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 17, 2010, 02:11:55 PM
many in the Schlossmuseum
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on January 11, 2011, 01:19:39 PM
A present from Nicholas II to the Hessian family:
The swimming pool at Wolfsgarten dates back to 1911 - a similar pool is said to be at Tsarskoe Selo!
People were perfectly hidden from curious eyes :)

(http://www.op-online.de/bilder/2010/09/13/916512/751035484-wolfsgarten-langen-ausstellung.9.jpg)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Gabriella on February 26, 2011, 10:49:09 AM
This year the garden of Wolfsgarten is open for the public May, 14-15th and 21-22th 2011.

The Princely Gardening Event takes place Sept., 16-18th 2011.

Title: Schloss Heiligenberg
Post by: VN on July 23, 2012, 11:16:11 AM
The current contact address for those of you who plan to visit Schloss Heiligenberg in Jugenheim is the following link below. It is not possible to visit the inside of Schloss Heiligenberg. But you can ask for a guided tour around the Schloss, the garden and the memorial chapel and the grave of Prince Alexander von Hessen & bei Rhein and his wife Princess Julie Battenberg.

http://www.vvv-jugenheim.de/index.php?page=impressum (http://www.vvv-jugenheim.de/index.php?page=impressum)  



The Website of the Schloss Heiligenberg Foundation is not online yet. The Foundation, founded in 2008, took over the management of Schloss Heiligenberg and is the actual responsible party for the whole Schloss and its organisation. Currently the former janitors house behind the Schloss is under construction to create a little museum/info-centre. Opening is planed for summer/fall 2013.

Tours are offered in german, english and russian and have to be booked in advance (see above link of the Verkehrs,-und Verschönerungsverein Jugenheim). But generally you are able to walk around the grounds of the Schloss without tour, it is open to everybody.  

Greetings

Vanessa
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 25, 2012, 10:50:15 AM
Thanks for the information. I will definitely go there. Is there a street car, bus or metro to get there from central Darmsatdt ?
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: VN on July 25, 2012, 03:31:02 PM
The Straßenbahn goes directly from Darmstadt - Luisenplatz. You have to take Nr. 6, 7, or 8 in the direction to Alsbach and get out in Jugenheim, Ludwigstraße. From Ludwigstraße it is quite a walk up to Schloss Heiligenberg, approximitly 20 min - 30 Min, depending in what shape your in :-).


Important! Please let us know some time in advance if you are planing a tour. But as I mentioned earlier on, the Schloss-Park is open to the public. You just walk up there (or drive) and have a walk around. As soon as the new website of the Fondation is finished and online, i will post it for more information.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 26, 2012, 09:10:58 PM
Thanks for the info VN. I have grown used to walking travelling in Germany. I walked all the way up to the Veste in Coburg.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Karl-Heinz on May 25, 2013, 01:37:17 AM
A present from Nicholas II to the Hessian family:
The swimming pool at Wolfsgarten dates back to 1911 - a similar pool is said to be at Tsarskoe Selo!
People were perfectly hidden from curious eyes :)

(http://www.op-online.de/bilder/2010/09/13/916512/751035484-wolfsgarten-langen-ausstellung.9.jpg)

Des könndesema sauwermache ;-)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 26, 2013, 09:56:44 AM
He does love swimming...even in the nude.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Gabriella on March 12, 2014, 09:39:58 AM
The park of Wolfsgarten will be opened for the public in May: 17.-18.05.2014 and 24.-25.05.2014.

In September the park  is opened 19.-21.09.2014 for the princely garden-festival (Fürstliches Gartenfest).

http://www.das-fuerstliche-gartenfest.de/wolfsgarten/
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 12, 2014, 09:49:29 PM
Good time to go then in May. :-)
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Gabriella on March 25, 2015, 09:18:47 AM
The park of Wolfsgarten will be opened for the public 16.-17.05. and 24.-25.05.2015.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Gabriella on February 12, 2016, 07:28:46 AM
The park of Wolfsgarten will be opened for the public in May:15.-16.05.2016 and 21.-22.05.2016:

and in September: 16.-18.09.2016.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Joanna on October 06, 2016, 10:23:58 AM
Nicholas II’s Curiosity – Neues Palais in Darmstadt

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2016/10/nicholas-iis-curiosity-neues-palais-in.html

Joanna
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Gabriella on April 02, 2017, 01:36:02 PM
The park of Wolfsgarten will be open or the public in May: 13.-14. and 20.-21.05.2017
and in September: 15.-17.09.2017
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: JGP on April 04, 2017, 01:09:53 AM
The park of Wolfsgarten will be open or the public in May: 13.-14. and 20.-21.05.2017
and in September: 15.-17.09.2017

Thank you Gabriella for saving me the time of looking for the dates this year.  I have been to Wolfsgarten several times as I used to live in Langen.  Kind regards, JGP
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Gabriella on March 16, 2018, 01:33:16 PM
The park of Wolfsgarten will be opened for the public in May, 20.05.-21.05.2018 and 26.05.-27.05.2018, and in September, 14.-16.09.2018.
Title: Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses
Post by: Joanna on March 24, 2018, 07:04:08 PM
Rare photographs of the palaces in Darmstadt, Germany in the early years of the marriage of Princess Alice and Prince Ludwig of Hesse-Darmstadt

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2018/03/princess-alices-darmstadt-in-1870.html

Joanna