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Title: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: gleb on June 08, 2005, 01:33:39 PM
When did Printesa Elizaveta (ex wife of Giorgos II of Greece) die and where?

Where did she live in Bucuresti? Did she ever got divorced?

Thanks
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Post by: TampaBay on June 08, 2005, 02:24:47 PM
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When did Printesa Elizaveta (ex wife of Giorgos II of Greece) die and where?

Where did she live in Bucuresti? Did she ever got divorced?

Thanks


Gleb,

She died on the French Rivera and was divorced.  She was a nasty old snake!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: gleb on June 08, 2005, 02:45:52 PM
was she the owner of the Elizabeth palace?

Thanks Tampabay!
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Post by: trentk80 on June 12, 2005, 11:03:09 AM
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was she the owner of the Elizabeth palace?

Thanks Tampabay!


Yes, I read that the Elisabeta Palace was built for her in 1936. It was a gift from her brother, King Carol II, if I'm not mistaken. Anyway soon after she left Bucharest and went to live to the castle of Banloc near Timisoara.

Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: cimbrio on June 13, 2005, 05:18:49 AM
She was, from what UI've read, a nasty woman... a Grand Duke from Russia once even wanted to amrry her, which I find amazing, but anyway. She once said something like this (don't quote me, I'm not reading it so it's not literal): "I've comitted every vice but one, and I don't want to die without having killed". Do you think she succeeded? She was however a very elegant woman and in my oppinion really beautiful...
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Post by: trentk80 on June 13, 2005, 09:32:48 PM
Yes, although nasty and selfish, I think she had a beautiful face. I guess that's why King George II of Greece fell in love with her.
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Post by: Janet_W. on June 13, 2005, 10:04:25 PM
Speaking of Princess Elizaveta, I have often wondered where she was during the 1914 state visit that Nicholas, Alexandra and their children made to the Romanian royal family. I have yet to see her in any of the photos, tho' perhaps I'm just not looking hard enough?!  :o

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Post by: cimbrio on June 14, 2005, 02:52:40 AM
I've seen several photos of Nicholas and Alexandra (and children) during their state visit to Romania in June 1914. This was just before the first world war so perhaps it was the Romanov's last state visit anywhere... The photos can be seen in Prince Michael of Greece's book "Nicholas and Alexandra, a family album" (or something to that effect), though I've seen several online. In them you can see Alexis playing and hugging Princess Ileana. It's certainly a very tender thing to see when you remember how his life ended...
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: ilyala on June 14, 2005, 03:39:32 PM
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Yes, although nasty and selfish, I think she had a beautiful face. I guess that's why King George II of Greece fell in love with her.


she was too artificial for my taste. i think mignon and ileana were much prettier
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Post by: TampaBay on June 19, 2005, 06:16:43 PM
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She was, from what UI've read, a nasty woman... a Grand Duke from Russia once even wanted to amrry her, which I find amazing, but anyway. She once said something like this (don't quote me, I'm not reading it so it's not literal): "I've comitted every vice but one, and I don't want to die without having killed". Do you think she succeeded? She was however a very elegant woman and in my oppinion really beautiful...


Wilhelm II also wanted to marry her to one of his sons.  Which one I do not know.

TampBay
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Post by: Marlene on June 20, 2005, 09:21:02 AM
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Elisabeta Palace in Bucharest.
http://www.princeradu.ro/en/visit_PE/index.html

It was give back to the Romanian Royal Family, to King Michael in particular as long as he is alive [and Margarita to], as the law requires that each former head of state should be provided with a house by the government.



The Palace has not been given back to the royal family.  They are allowed to stay at the Elisabetha Palace when they are in Bucharest.  Michael is still in talks regarding Pelesch, etc., and recompense for his properties, etc.  
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Marlene on June 20, 2005, 09:26:32 AM
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Yes, although nasty and selfish, I think she had a beautiful face. I guess that's why King George II of Greece fell in love with her.



George's first love (and life long friend) was Countess Nada Torby.    Elisabetha was a self=indulgent, greedy woman - she was a nymphomaniac to boot.  She was also rather insecure.   While her brother was king, she lined her own pockets (her banker was also her lover).  Neither Michael nor Helen ever trust her.  She allowed Greek Communists to use her home in Bucharest to plot the overthrow of the Greek monarchy.  She was convinced that the Communists in Bucharest would allow her to remain, and keep her largesse.   Only a few days after Michael's forced abdication, Elisabetha and Ileana were put on a train and sent out of the country too.
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Post by: palimpsest on June 20, 2005, 10:01:49 AM
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The Palace has not been given back to the royal family.  They are allowed to stay at the Elisabetha Palace when they are in Bucharest.  Michael is still in talks regarding Pelesch, etc., and recompense for his properties, etc.  


Your right Marlene. I didn't write it clear enough. Still this palace is their main residence in Romania now. And even Margarita will be able to use it after the king's death [or so the government promised].

mea culpa  :-[
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Post by: Marlene on June 23, 2005, 01:14:26 PM
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Your right Marlene. I didn't write it clear enough. Still this palace is their main residence in Romania now. And even Margarita will be able to use it after the king's death [or so the government promised].

mea culpa  :-[



No culpa meas necessary.    
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on June 23, 2005, 02:01:52 PM
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She was, from what UI've read, a nasty woman... a Grand Duke from Russia once even wanted to amrry her, which I find amazing, but anyway. She once said something like this (don't quote me, I'm not reading it so it's not literal): "I've comitted every vice but one, and I don't want to die without having killed". Do you think she succeeded? She was however a very elegant woman and in my oppinion really beautiful...


It was KR's son Constantine who wanted to marry her. (He was later executed along with Ella, et al)

That quote from above is in Charlotte Zeepvatt's book Queen Victoria's Family and I wouldn't doubt it!

She was elegant and she was a beautiful child but she grew very hard-looking and unappealing IMO. I think her character began to show on her face.

I feel for poor George (did he ever get over Nada or was it a Toria/Nicholas II kind of puppy love?) because he pursued he for so long and she made him so miserable.  :(
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Marlene on June 23, 2005, 04:22:30 PM
Oops -  I just reread my post after reading yours .. Not Nada, but Zia ... Zia was his love.  Sophie didn't think she was good enough, and Grand Duke Michael didn't want his daughter to marry a Balkan monarch.
Zia and George maintained a lifelong correspondence.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: ilyala on June 24, 2005, 09:31:21 AM
but i heard george proposed to elizabeth in 1914 when she refused because she thought she was too good for him... and then again in the 1920s when she was out of suitors so she eventually said yes...

why on earth did he insist?
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Post by: Marlene on June 24, 2005, 12:50:11 PM
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but i heard george proposed to elizabeth in 1914 when she refused because she thought she was too good for him... and then again in the 1920s when she was out of suitors so she eventually said yes...

why on earth did he insist?



He didn't propose in 1914.  George talks about this in correspondence with Zia
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: IslandDweller on July 29, 2005, 06:30:40 PM
This is another one I've always wondered about. She's always struck me as someone who could have benefited greatly from modern psychiatry.

Does anyone know if she continued to be styled Queen of the Hellenes after her divorce? And did she really die in poverty?

Whatever her flaws, it seems she ended up miserably enough...
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Post by: Marlene on July 29, 2005, 10:36:58 PM
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This is another one I've always wondered about. She's always struck me as someone who could have benefited greatly from modern psychiatry.

Does anyone know if she continued to be styled Queen of the Hellenes after her divorce? And did she really die in poverty?

Whatever her flaws, it seems she ended up miserably enough...


Certainly in the media. she remained queen Elizabeth, or former Queen Elizabeth.  With the help of her banker and lover, Scavani, Elizabeth acquired great wealth in Romania -- only to lose it all when she had to leave the country. (She was a collaborator with the Communists, and believed she would be allowed to stay.)  She had a toyboy with her at the end of her life - and his name was Marc Favrat.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eurohistory on July 30, 2005, 10:59:52 AM
In my interviews with Queen Anne of Romania she recalled meeting former Queen Elisabeth of Greece with these words: "Michael introduced me to her.  Dreadful person.  She had eyes that expressed to you the evil behind her mind."

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: palimpsest on July 30, 2005, 11:15:57 AM
Can anyone put some photos of her here so we might see her eyes?
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Post by: L. on July 30, 2005, 02:41:01 PM
  Princess Elizaveta? Beautiful and nasty in same time. She was very unhappy in her life, I think. She was very evil to her mother, too, but not like King Carol II.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: palimpsest on July 30, 2005, 09:19:24 PM
I found these images.

(http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/8927/untitled3el23pf.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas
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Post by: palimpsest on July 30, 2005, 09:21:13 PM
George II of Greece, P. Elizaveta, her sister P. Marioara

(http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/6809/untitled4el6tw.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas
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Post by: Frederika on August 01, 2005, 04:43:35 AM
where do you get these pictures from
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Post by: Alicky1872 on August 01, 2005, 06:44:59 AM
Poor George! He looks scared! ...And he had every right to be.  :-/
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: palimpsest on August 01, 2005, 09:44:56 AM
Frederika
These photos are from a book about King Michael, specially made for his 80 birthday, published in Romania [I don't know if there are other editions in other languages] by Humanitas Publishing House and Prince Radu.

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Post by: Eurohistory on August 01, 2005, 01:46:26 PM
The book was first published in English and French and given to HM as a birthday present in October 2001.  HM's son in-law later had a Romanian language edition published by Humanitas.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: palimpsest on August 01, 2005, 02:23:29 PM
Eurohistory
How is the book called? I can't find it in English!
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: trentk80 on August 01, 2005, 02:57:45 PM
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Poor George! He looks scared! ...And he had every right to be.  :-/


Well, he proposed, married her and stayed that way for 14 years because *he* wanted to do so, nobody forced him...
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Post by: Marlene on August 01, 2005, 04:25:40 PM
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Well, he proposed, married her and stayed that way for 14 years because *he* wanted to do so, nobody forced him...



Well, I think arranged is a better word -- both were utterly miserable.  
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Frederika on August 02, 2005, 02:12:15 AM
there is a new book in england titled Micheal of romania which i saw recently
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Post by: Alicky1872 on August 02, 2005, 04:40:37 AM
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there is a new book in england titled Micheal of romania which i saw recently


Yes, I saw that too! It looked to me more like a political biography though.  :(
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Post by: Marlene on August 02, 2005, 08:35:53 AM
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Yes, I saw that too! It looked to me more like a political biography though.  :(


Ivor POrter, who met the king in Romania in the 1940s, deals more with the politics and Michael's role as king ... there is a lot less information on his later life and his family life.
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Post by: Eurohistory on August 02, 2005, 09:36:17 AM
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Eurohistory
How is the book called? I can't find it in English!


King Michael I of Romania: A Tribute - publshed by Eurohistory.com with Rosvall Royal Books.  If interested in purchasing  a copy of hte book email me privately.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Lord_Arthur on August 05, 2005, 04:58:06 PM
I remember reading in a Romanian website about the royal family that, when the news of King George II of Greece's death arrived, Elizabeth said something like "Oh! The love of my life is dead!"(I'm not quoting). Her brother Nicholas also said something like "My sister is crazy, she divorced him and now she's weeping for him".
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Post by: Alicky1872 on August 06, 2005, 06:45:53 PM
As they say, you never know what you've got, til it's gone.  :'(

As maddening as it must have been for him to live with her...there are two sides to every story. I wonder what he was like to live with. Any stories about his character?
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Post by: ilyala on May 05, 2006, 04:16:35 AM
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Nice photos! She did look lovely and innocent when young. But her character was defintely not to be desired, and it sounds like she didn't live up to her heiritage very well. So one of KR's sons wanted to marry her? That is interesting. What was her attitude towards that? She seems like she probably didn't care for anyone except herself.


she most certainly didn't LOL
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Post by: imperial angel on May 05, 2006, 08:47:32 AM
It is kind of sad, but nothing can really make her sound appealing, nor was she. Her later life sounds like it was a sordid mess. I think she would have been a trial to anyone who married her. I guess she and KR's son, a prince of russia, never met. He was murdered in the revolution, but the talk of marriage had been mostly dynastic. It's lucky for him that he never married her.
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Post by: Laura_ on May 05, 2006, 12:28:25 PM
in the end she regreted not having murdered...she was a ***** :P :P
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Post by: imperial angel on May 08, 2006, 08:57:23 AM
Yes, she was pretty bad. I don't think there's many good things you can say about her, which is sad. Perhaps if Missy had been allowed to have more of a role in raising her, she might not have turned out so bad. The Roumanian King and his consort Carmen Sylva as she was known, were damaging. But perhaps Elisabeth would have turned out badly amyway.
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Post by: Marina Cummings on May 08, 2006, 09:54:07 AM
Could you explain more - what actually happened?  Was Elizaveta mainly brought up by Carol 1st and Carmen Sylva?  Or did they insist that she have nannies thus depriving her parents of enough involvement in her upbringing? Thanks :)
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Post by: ilyala on May 08, 2006, 03:54:38 PM
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Could you explain more - what actually happened?  Was Elizaveta mainly brought up by Carol 1st and Carmen Sylva?  Or did they insist that she have nannies thus depriving her parents of enough involvement in her upbringing? Thanks :)


carol insisted that every nanny/tutor/governess be named by political criteria. things like, what king they had raised, nationality, etc...

and here i bring out my pakula book again ;):

about carol's birth (just to set the atmosphere): 'in king carol's opinion, every situation, of great or little importance, had to be subjected to a thorough analysis as far as the political implications went. the birth of a future heir was doubtless, not a minor event. it needed an endless chain of decisions, starting with the establishment of the place, "doctors, nannies, dates, names, hours of day and even rooms." the king examined each and every one of them, balancing the pro and against arguments and their effects on the nation. everything was filled with bad predictions. everywhere there were traps for the ignorants.'

the birth of princess elizabeth happened after queen elizabeth had come back from her exile in neuwied: 'freshly arrived at the palace, she started claiming her position as a mistress - something that included the "dethronement: of her successor. the queen considered herself an authority in children and nannies. "everyone thinks they have the right to meddle in my business and sometimes they're really annoying me", wrote marie to her father in law. [...] the princess had a dispute with the queen, irritated when elizabeth told her that her children don't belong to their mother, but to the king and to romania.'

'even if for different reasons, the three women [queen elizabeth, cousin charly and queen elizabeth's lady in waiting, olga mavrogheni] agreed on two things: marie was "too english" and "too frivolous". they called her "the young frivolous woman", feeling worried that she might have ambitions of personal glamour. cousin charly and mrs. mavrogheni firmly supported the queen in her intrigues to control the educations of prince carol and princess elizabeth. [...] for a woman who had so passionatly wanted children, the presence of marie's children was an irresitible temptation.  [...] invited to spend christmes in cotroceni [the residence of ferdinand and marie], the queen found little carol and elizabeth plauying around the tree: "good lord" she exclaimed seeing marie's children, "do not forget me... you cannot. this is more than i can bare."'

'queen elizabeth was willing to find a reason to take missy's children. up until the winter of 1898, the queen managed to convince the king that the princess was irresponisble and that he had to hire a governess for carol. her choice had stopped on miss winter, a good friend of the wied family which had been hired by elizabeth's cousin, the queen of holland. marie, who suspected a plot, agreed to talk to the governess, but only with the condition that, had she not liked her, she wouldn't be forced to accept her.

"...ever since i saw her, i lost all hope... the woman was unbareable: heavy, with wide eyes, a huge nose and a revolting mouth; she was vulgar, so vulgar that only someone of her nationality could tell. and besides, her voice,  her ordinary talk, her mediocre language, unrefined... her looks were shocking, her speaking only made it worse..."

the princess said that she cannot accept this woman as her son's governess, but the prince would not face the king and queen. marie was forced to give in, but with the "express condition" that miss winter comes only in the spring of 1899. suddenly, in january, as she was preparing for a trip to gotha on the occasion of her parents' silver wedding, she was told that that night miss winter was arriving to take care of her children while she was gone.

marie asked to be allowed to take her children with her. "in these conditions, i could not agree to leave my children there..." she explained in a letter to her father in law. "i was against the idea of governess as a principle... and, besides, i believed miss winter could be manipulated by aunty... i am sure that this is not our last conflict."'

'[nando and missy went to coburg], nando came back and missy stayed in germany. she was still there when their son carol caught typhoid fever. ferdinand sent her an urgent telegram and she hurried home. when she arrived to cotroceni, she ran up the stairs, but miss winter stopped her, barring her way. "it's dangerous for anyone to step in the baby's room", she announced. "the doctor said...." for the first time in his life, the prince interfeared for his wife: "step aside" he said to the governess. "the princess is the child's mother."'

missy went back to coburg in a conflict that is quoted in the missy and boris thread. she only came back when miss winter was fired.



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Post by: ilyala on May 09, 2006, 05:55:45 AM
that is very interesting trentk, thank you! could it be that she was human after all?  ;D
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: imperial angel on May 09, 2006, 09:38:47 AM
Thanks for the post of those letters of Elisabetha's. It sounds like the marriage was like many arranged royal marriages at first; that is, fairly happy. Later on, it went downhill. Elisabetha sounds fairly normal and human here. She may have been better when she was young. I suppose I can see why George married her, although I suppose he regreted it later, as well.
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Post by: Marina Cummings on May 09, 2006, 12:52:58 PM
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carol insisted that every nanny/tutor/governess be named by political criteria. things like, what king they had raised, nationality, etc...

and here i bring out my pakula book again ;):


Thankyou so much for all that information, how absolutely AWFUL for Marie!!! What a nightmare! No wonder the kids turned out as they did!  :-[
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Post by: crazy_wing on May 10, 2006, 04:02:13 AM
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Thanks for the post of those letters of Elisabetha's. It sounds like the marriage was like many arranged royal marriages at first; that is, fairly happy. Later on, it went downhill. Elisabetha sounds fairly normal and human here. She may have been better when she was young. I suppose I can see why George married her, although I suppose he regreted it later, as well.

I have to agree with you too.  She sounds very normal in the letters.  I feel sorry for her after reading them.  The letters show that she tried to make things work out but at the end, things turn out quite badly.  Maybe if they had children or Georgie didn't become a king, they would've been happier.  
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Post by: ilyala on May 10, 2006, 05:44:49 AM
here's a cute quote about elizabeth as a child, from missy's memoires:

her father (the duke of coburg) had come to visit her in romania:


'at that time i had only two children, carol and elizabeth.i was very proud of them and they shared with us every hour of the day. elizabeth, who was around 3, was like her grandfather, very quiet; she rarely showed what she felt or desired, and her moves were very decided and precise. her face was very round, her features very small, very regulate and of a very pure classicism, her look was very strong, sometimes severe, her mouth little and tight. she was actually a very weird little human, but very attractive in her childish way.

this child was filled with great love for her grandfather; with him she communicated without words and felt like her place was at his side.

i still see her today dressed in a small and funny romanian costume, dressed like a little peasant, with her cheeks looking even rounder, stepping silently after papa and pulling after her a little chair made of straws, ridiculously small, watching carefully - to see where he would sit - the moves of the old gentleman who had so unexpectadly entered her life. after papa chose the chair and corner he liked, elizabeth sat her little chair next to him and sat there in the most complete silence, but very satisfied, like she had found her best mate. from time to time she caught a look over the newspaper, but she understood that she should not expect anything else from him and these two weird friends exchanged no words. but as soon as papa moved, the little girl followed him with her chair, ready to sit next to him, wherever he chose to sit. elizabeth rarely showed excessive love for anyone, that's why we made great fun while watching these maneuvres.'
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Post by: imperial angel on May 10, 2006, 09:35:33 AM
Yes, thanks for more interesting letters of Elisabetha's. At the begining things were ok. Later on not- The things Crazy_Wing stated are accurate. Elisabetha was obviously someone who had some potential, even if later she was quite bad, and even if her essential personality was this way.  One wishes that she had continued in a more normal royal vein, even if her main care was for herself. Missy frequently despaired about Elisabetha.
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Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2006, 10:42:52 AM
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Thanks for the post of those letters of Elisabetha's. It sounds like the marriage was like many arranged royal marriages at first; that is, fairly happy. Later on, it went downhill. Elisabetha sounds fairly normal and human here. She may have been better when she was young. I suppose I can see why George married her, although I suppose he regreted it later, as well.

The sad thing was, it wasn't a straight-up arranged marriage. George was really in love with her and anxious to marry her despite his mother's reservations. Missy may have seen the dynastic benefits to it but at the time, Greece wasn't that popular on the royal stage while Romania was, so the benefit was more to Greece.
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Post by: imperial angel on May 10, 2006, 11:11:53 AM
Yes, that does make it even more sad, that it was not wholly arranged. I suppose George regretted it in the end, although at the begining things seemed much more promising. There were some wholly arranged matches that turned out better, in my opinion.
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Post by: ilyala on May 11, 2006, 03:25:42 AM
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Thanks for the post of those letters of Elisabetha's. It sounds like the marriage was like many arranged royal marriages at first; that is, fairly happy. Later on, it went downhill. Elisabetha sounds fairly normal and human here. She may have been better when she was young. I suppose I can see why George married her, although I suppose he regreted it later, as well.

The sad thing was, it wasn't a straight-up arranged marriage. George was really in love with her and anxious to marry her despite his mother's reservations. Missy may have seen the dynastic benefits to it but at the time, Greece wasn't that popular on the royal stage while Romania was, so the benefit was more to Greece.


unlike ileana, for example, missy had not planned necessarilly a dynastic marriage for elizabeth. at that point in time i think she was simply happy that someone was still willing to marry her, someone decent (even more than decent). remember that elizabeth was pretty old at the time of her marriage and not really someone very desired on the marriage market. george was probably even more than what missy expected.

when george's father died and he became king, missy was pretty worried about what that would mean for her daughter. indeed, elizabeth seemed to not be very eager about the whole deal.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: imperial angel on May 11, 2006, 10:01:04 AM
I'm sure she was happy that Elisabeth married somebody. Mentally and Physically, Elisabeth was not the most desirable Princess on the marriage market, and there was less opportuities than there would have been before World War. Although she was the oldest and defintely a legitimate daughter of Ferdinand, she did not have many attractions. I suppose that it was surprising that it would be a love match, but why else would they have married?

Perhaps had Elisabeth and George had children, as Elizabeth talks about in the letter, they might have had a happier marriage or her a happier life. But with her utter lack of care for anybody but herself, I don't think she would have made a good mother. The letters do make Elisabeth sound normal, although she sounds selfish in that one.
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Post by: TampaBay on May 11, 2006, 06:25:32 PM
I did not know any of Elizabeth's letters still existed.

I think the problem was her marriage "down" to a poorer court.

Even Crown Princess Helen marvelled at the "luxury" of the Romanian Court compared to the Greek Court.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: TampaBay on May 12, 2006, 06:06:22 AM
Thank you for the exerts from these letters.  I am seeing a side of Elizabeth I never knew existed.  What book are these letters from?

TampaBay
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Post by: ilyala on May 12, 2006, 01:57:58 PM
i don't mean to sound cruel but there are parts of these letters that, combined with what i know of her, make me think that she blamed her meanness on others. her mother preferred ileana, so she closed off. mignon could have a child she couldn't afford(why? i can't believe the greek royal family wouldn't have helped support an heir to the throne!) so she closed off and became the woman we know. no offense but that sounds like a good excuse... but an excuse nevertheless.

when missy went to visit mignon after peter's birth, she found mignon ill and elizabeth openly flirting with alexander. now, if that is not a mean way to respond to inner jealousy, i don't know what is.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: trentk80 on May 13, 2006, 12:47:17 AM
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Thank you for the exerts from these letters.  I am seeing a side of Elizabeth I never knew existed.  What book are these letters from?

TampaBay

These letters are from a four-part article called "Elisabeta of the Hellenes: passionate woman, reluctant queen", written by John Wimbles. You can buy it through Royalty Digest.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Marlene on May 17, 2006, 03:05:38 PM

Although George was linked to Elisabeth for some time -- going back to world war i, his first real love was Countess Zia Torby but Grand Duke Michael had an aversion to Balkan royals.   Queen Sophie did not consider Zia to be good enough for George. George and Zia remained friends and had a long correspondence.
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Thanks for the post of those letters of Elisabetha's. It sounds like the marriage was like many arranged royal marriages at first; that is, fairly happy. Later on, it went downhill. Elisabetha sounds fairly normal and human here. She may have been better when she was young. I suppose I can see why George married her, although I suppose he regreted it later, as well.

The sad thing was, it wasn't a straight-up arranged marriage. George was really in love with her and anxious to marry her despite his mother's reservations. Missy may have seen the dynastic benefits to it but at the time, Greece wasn't that popular on the royal stage while Romania was, so the benefit was more to Greece.
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Post by: TampaBay on May 22, 2006, 08:02:19 PM
trentk80,

Thank you so much for all your informative postings.  I am greatly enjoying learning about a side of Elizabeth I never new existed.

Sincerely,

TampaBay

Keep those great postings coming!
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Post by: trentk80 on May 24, 2006, 12:40:05 AM
You're welcome, TampaBay. Thanks for your kind words. :)
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Marlene on May 24, 2006, 10:53:53 AM
Trent,

did you obtain John's permission to post nearly the entire text of his article ...if not, you cannot publish (and that is what a post is) a huge amount of text from an article without permission of the copyright holder ... and you didn't cite the source when you first started posting the text ... it gave the impression that you were the author ....

copyright is the life of the author plus 75 years. A few sentences here and there are permitted on fair use.  I do realize that you want to share the information - and the articles are super -- but it is not fair to the writer or to the publisher (who still sells back issues) to post nearly the entire text ...

I don't mean to harp on this, but it is really important to respect copyright  ... quotes here and there are permitted but not huge chunks of text ....

thanks
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: trentk80 on May 24, 2006, 06:30:08 PM
I posted this information because there are some people in this forum who are interested in Elisabeta's life and unfortunately there isn't much information on her.

But regarding the copyright issues, I think you're right, Marlene. I don't have permission from John Wimbles and I realize that it's not fair to him. I'm sorry. However, I didn't post the entire text of his article like you said.  
 
I have already deleted my last post, but all my other posts are older than 3 days so they're locked and I can't delete them.
 
Forum Admin, could you please delete them?
 
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: imperial angel on August 31, 2006, 11:58:14 AM
There indeed isn't much information on Elisabetta, although one wishes there were. I appreciated these things being posted. Elisabetta undoubtedly had her bad side, and her good side like many people. It is her bad side that perhaps dominated her, but it's nice to look at her in a different light. Her bad side certainly has dominated her reputation, and I don't know if she would have been all that nice to know.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 09, 2006, 11:32:57 AM
I've written to Trentk80 and offered to remove his post. I just want to confirm I have the correct one and that he hasn't secured the author's permission. The author may well permit this if the material is used with proper attribution.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 10, 2006, 09:59:59 AM
At Trentk80's request, I have deleted two posts due to possible copyright infringement issues.

For reference, the law does allow copyrighted works to be quoted, always with proper attribution, under the "fair use" provision of the law. Generally, something less than a paragraph is permissible.

I would also invite the copyright holder to contact the Alexander Palace website if he is interested in permitting some of the Princess' letters to be published here.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Marlene on September 13, 2006, 02:01:23 PM
John Wimbles would not own the copyright to Elisabetha's letters.  I would expect that the copyright belongs to Elisabetha's heirs or the museum that has the letters. 
At Trentk80's request, I have deleted two posts due to possible copyright infringement issues.

For reference, the law does allow copyrighted works to be quoted, always with proper attribution, under the "fair use" provision of the law. Generally, something less than a paragraph is permissible.

I would also invite the copyright holder to contact the Alexander Palace website if he is interested in permitting some of the Princess' letters to be published here.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: imperial angel on September 13, 2006, 05:54:17 PM
I did enjoy reading her letters; it illuminates her, and makes you think of her a bit differently.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: miki_nastya on June 11, 2007, 05:29:33 AM
 Here what it says about Elisabeth in the book " The last romantic" :
     " While Marie ador her oldest son,she have dificultis to like her oldest daugher,Elisabeta.It wasn't the only one. Auntis and uncles, nanis and friends haave graet dificultis to like this enigmatic children,whom birth producced to her mother more fizical and psihic pain than other event in her younger life.
           As a child,Elisabeth was very beutiful,a pride for her mother.Retrayered and ansociable like a little girl, at puberty Eliabeth become very fat.
        When Elisabeth  turn 18, the Kaiser wanted to marry her  with one of his children. Marie was afraid that her daugher familiary with the liberty of Romania, it will be very hard to her to get used to the German court. But t the son of the Kaiser didn't like har.Marie wasn't surprised,as she tell to her mother:"Young men didn't like Elisabeth,is too inteligent and to quiet,is not enought happy,is somehow a live statue." The only time Elisabeth was entuziasm was  for clouths and juwls,wich she colection avid."
    Sorry if you don't understand but I tray to traduce it from Romanian.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: TampaBay on June 11, 2007, 05:51:50 AM
Miki,

You translation is very good.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Hastings on December 12, 2007, 12:50:44 PM
Do we know Elizaveta's burial place?
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Marlene on December 13, 2007, 10:23:57 AM
France
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 13, 2007, 08:43:00 PM
Paris ? Cannes ?  ???
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Laura_ on December 14, 2007, 07:27:12 AM
she died in Cannes in 1956.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2007, 12:53:46 AM
Was she buried there as well ?  ???
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: LisaDavidson on December 21, 2007, 12:58:45 AM
Was she buried there as well ?  ???

Most likely, she was. She had no children and no spouse. Her family had little money in exile, and her ex husband's family was not terribly wealthy, either. At least, not wealthy enough to tranport her remains elsewhere and then bury her. The only thing that makes me a little less than certain is the slight possibility that her older brother may have made some provision for her. But, I doubt this - he was far too selfish (as was she) for this to be likely.
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Post by: Michael II on December 23, 2007, 02:09:41 PM
Elizabeth is buried in the crypt of the Hedinger Kirche, Sigmaringen with her Hohenzollern ancestors.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: LisaDavidson on December 26, 2007, 11:39:25 PM
Elizabeth is buried in the crypt of the Hedinger Kirche, Sigmaringen with her Hohenzollern ancestors.

That's good to know.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Norbert on March 03, 2008, 03:23:22 PM
I understood that the marriage failed in the horrors of the Smyna conquest by Turkey. In 1922 king Constantine had marched into the city and brought his son and the heavily pregnant Pss (I presume to stake a greek claim by having a possible future king born there) the resulting chaos and massacre of the population by the Turks led her to miscarriage.
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Post by: ThePrincessPerfect on March 17, 2008, 07:50:39 AM
I hadn't heard that before, very interesting. I had heard that Elisabeth had one miscarriage, but I thought it was very early in the pregnancy. If it was when she was heavily pregnant, it would have been stillborn and the gender would have been known and perhaps a name given.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Laura_ on September 23, 2008, 10:31:00 AM
Elisabeth, daughter of Ferdinand and Marie, queen consort of the Hellenes by Philip Alexius de László

(http://i35.tinypic.com/2s9vx5h.jpg)

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Post by: miki_nastya on October 12, 2009, 05:12:09 AM
 Today 115 years ago Lisabeta was born at Peles castel. I wish you a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!! my enigmatic princess.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 12, 2009, 08:52:12 AM
:S

(http://i30.tinypic.com/2ciecew.jpg)

Erm...happy birthday Elisaveta
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Post by: Svetabel on October 12, 2009, 12:00:39 PM
The most embarassing photo of Elisabeta I think. She is just after a serious illness there and feels herself dramatic.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 12, 2009, 12:35:37 PM
she doesnt have  good pictures after her marriage. I think the last beautiful picture i saw of her was this one...

With sister Ileana the day of her wedding

(http://i25.tinypic.com/2weccnc.jpg)

Queen Anne was so right when she said she said she saw thew evil in her eyes. I can see that too, not just in this picture.
 
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 12, 2009, 01:07:28 PM
I think she was much tortured and confused than evil. Like her cousin Charlotte of Saxe-Meiningen, she was sick. Longing for love but never recieve it, Elisabetta lashed at the people close to her: In this case her family. In review her life was really a sad and unfulfilled one.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 12, 2009, 02:26:51 PM
Tortured? How? i ve just read that she was very spoiled by Carmen Sylva in her childhood

Not loved? I also thought that George II was very in love with her. That s why i dont understand why she did the things she did againts him . Oh well..you re saying she was sick, thats probably the best answer for my last question.

BTW...what kind of Sickness she had? Depression?. 
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2009, 03:28:49 PM
Indeed...Elisabetta was spoiled by her great aunt, but she remained a dutiful daughter to Missy. She was an outstanding nurse duting the war. It was George II who fell in love with her, but she did not love him and told him so many times with her refusal. Finally she accepted him and moved to Greece. Queen Sophie was cold and inconsiderate to her. She gave her daughter-in-law no jewels, even Missy was miffed and said "At least I gave HER (Sophie's) daughter some jewelry !". The family spoke Greek whenever Elisabetta was with them. Only Grand Duchess Helen and Helen (her sister-in-law) was nice to her.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 13, 2009, 03:42:49 PM
So Heleni was nice to her even tho when Elisaveta slapped her in the face ? (or this was just myth?)

 
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 14, 2009, 04:16:45 PM
Yes. But remember by the time the slapping happened, Elisabetta and George had seperated and she was of course loyal to Karol, her brother.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Marc on October 14, 2009, 04:25:09 PM
What was the the cause and how did this occur?
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 14, 2009, 04:28:24 PM
yeah, i want to know too and Eric...i still cant sympathize with her (for what i ve read in this topic, im not the only one )

BTW, The "Loyalty to  someone" is NOT an excuse to slap someone...NEVER. I want to know all the context of the story, because,..for what i know..sound like a very trashy behavior fom Elisaveta.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 14, 2009, 04:31:23 PM
Some argument I think. Elisabetta was always a passionate woman who act before thinking, while Helen was the opposite. after the slap, she walked away from the scene with much fuss. Later Elisabetta did begged for her sister-in-law's forgiveness, and Helen did let bygones be bygones. Helen was a real lady !
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 14, 2009, 04:33:41 PM
 
. Helen was a real lady !


Course..the total opposite to her sister in law =D
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 14, 2009, 04:34:13 PM
Elisabetta was not the only royalty who slapped. Sandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (Aunt of Elisabetta) also slapped her sister Baby Bee in a heated argument. guess it runs in  the family.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 14, 2009, 04:36:47 PM
yes but we re not talking here about Sandra, we re talking about Elisaveta and all her awkward behavior.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 14, 2009, 08:10:39 PM
I am stating maybe it was a family trend. Anyway according to the letters she wrote home from Greece, Elisabetta was trying to fit in with the Greeks but she was never given the chance. Poor George was torn between his love for his wife and loyalty to his mother. When the marriage turn out childless, Elisabetta became bitter as she so hope to give George a child. All these information came from her letters to her mother Missy. Elisabetta might be a nasty bitter woman, but she sure wasn't born that way. After living in relative proverty with the Greeks, she suddenly became a rich woman after her father's death. That's when she start to throw her weight around as her marriage began to fail. The death knell was the divorce of Karol & Helen. George supported his sister, while Elisabetta supported her brother. Headstrong and passionate, Elisabetta's life became turbulent right up to her death.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 12, 2009, 03:53:29 PM
Elisaveta by Antonio Argnani

(http://i34.tinypic.com/15yc6et.jpg)
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Post by: miki_nastya on December 14, 2009, 09:45:48 AM
 It's  true that Elisabeth was pregnant once but forced to make an abortion ?
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 14, 2009, 09:52:05 AM
I think i read in this same topic (or the one about Giorgos) she had a miscarriage
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: KarlandZita on December 15, 2009, 12:43:02 PM
In fact, Elisabeta argued that Carol had behaved in the same way she did.

I do not know if Helen really kept up relations with her sister in law after her divorce from George II. Indeed, George is the brother of Helen, it was natural that she supports him to the detriment of Elisabeta. Especially since this divorce recalled her own with Carol. On the films of this time, when the two women appear together, they seem to trade any glance or a word. Helen and Elisabeth appear simply ignore each other.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Marlene on December 15, 2009, 01:24:34 PM
She had a miscarriage

It's  true that Elisabeth was pregnant once but forced to make an abortion ?
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2009, 06:19:40 PM
Anyway, I do wonder what kind of mother she would have been. Elisabetta was clearly not very maternal in nature.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: miki_nastya on December 16, 2009, 02:32:55 PM
 I wonder that to...do you have any films inwich she apears ? I never saw one
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 16, 2009, 03:56:11 PM
Films ? Elisabetta was never an actress. There were some clips of her in the Mitterand DVD taken from old news reels.
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Post by: Sara Araújo on December 18, 2009, 02:04:57 PM
(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAADpGy-rLuezZatBgzYzSKe66XQQohCH14Ma1GJIbKbVbYoCiXbwQqHvfl3PzH53pDruT8vKZE6IXvCzCwpsd0jEAm1T1UGAX3tyO1KM4pkoL3dzdYXqgXgxh.jpg)

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAAJSbKGQ7FxlBrclvDMOvvY4ZIcAMo5Db3mqvw7MJEoTuxN7fQSgO2ng8ZibIujA-4L7f-6KQn7ktC94MMuJyQIYAm1T1UF5wGU9W6cf6l3oi7p2Xttooaqcy.jpg)

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAANSdq9GsQQXzi8Yx8fmjut8G7u8quVAOjxc1c9Pyt7nSTcV3q3X2Fd4or39w9xWiqhOc7KiF-YtvRaeWEs74pgYAm1T1UA7iDe8oX5wILmRmALCLq3z6C1Ti.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 18, 2009, 07:45:19 PM
there s a nother circa the date that one where she also looks beautiful

(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7947/25339988800ca798e79c1.jpg)

Others of her

(http://i45.tinypic.com/1z53zbl.jpg)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/111s11s.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2009, 07:51:42 PM
She looked so much like her grandmother Infanta Antonia of Portugal...In nature as troublesome as her too.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: slavona on January 11, 2013, 11:41:03 AM
On The Franco-Iberian Royals Message Board there is an interesting story about "something" between King Alfonso XIII and Princess Elizabeta in 1913. It also  suggests why Missy refuse to allow Ileana to marry Alfonso, the Prince of Asturias.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 11, 2013, 01:07:46 PM
In Pilar Eyre s book about Ena exist an "episode" about Alfonso having an affaire with Elizabeta. I doubt of Eyre´s historical accuracy, but knowing how they were....who knows.!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2013, 03:44:59 PM
Is the Pilar Eyre book in Spanish ? What is the title ?
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 11, 2013, 05:26:18 PM
Yup and the name is "Ena" . An awful book i must say, very cheesy and full of cheap erotic (cough cough PORNO) stuff. Plus, a lot of historical innacuracies and bad labeled images.

Here the cover

http://loslibrosdemaria.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/ena.jpg


The only good thing of that book are the images included. A lot and very nice ones.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2013, 07:59:21 PM
Really ? It seem to indicate that it is only a "historical novel". If that is the case, then it should be seen as the likes of "The Other Boleyn Girl".

Also interested that historical fiction do not usually have illustrations. Maybe a Spanish custom ?
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Post by: Kalafrana on January 12, 2013, 06:43:30 AM
As far as ascertaining the truth or otherwise of this suggestion, the starting point must be whether Elizabeth and Alfonso actually met in 1913.

If they did not, the story is likely to be baseless.

Ann
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 12, 2013, 07:15:10 AM
Really ? It seem to indicate that it is only a "historical novel". If that is the case, then it should be seen as the likes of "The Other Boleyn Girl".

Also interested that historical fiction do not usually have illustrations. Maybe a Spanish custom ?

The thing is that Pilar Eyre believe she s an historical accurate writter, but the true she isnt. I dont know about other authors putting  illustrations in their fictional books, but as far as i know, Pilar always add tons of images in her books.
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Post by: slavona on January 12, 2013, 07:54:56 AM
The day of Red Army ( 1946) with Elizabeta as a host
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/23feb1946-ziuaarmateirosii16.jpg)
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/23feb1946-ziuaarmateirosii13.jpg)
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/23feb1946-ziuaarmateirosii11.jpg)

Of course there is King Michael and Queen Mother Hellen
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Post by: slavona on January 12, 2013, 08:00:05 AM
With some unknown jewels

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/lisabetaexil.jpg)
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/idg.jpg)
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Post by: slavona on January 12, 2013, 09:12:33 AM
Queen Antonia of Portugal ( nee Hohenzoller-Sigmaringen ), cousin ( see the resemblance)
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/reginaaugustadeportugal_zps2d15c21f.jpg)

Probably with Queen Ena
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/VICTORIA4_zps05b7d209.jpg)

With Mignon
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/3623911067_844586cb13_o_zps31261b49.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: trentk80 on January 12, 2013, 09:48:19 AM
Really ? It seem to indicate that it is only a "historical novel". If that is the case, then it should be seen as the likes of "The Other Boleyn Girl".

The cover of Pilar Eyre's book clearly states that it is a novel.

As far as ascertaining the truth or otherwise of this suggestion, the starting point must be whether Elizabeth and Alfonso actually met in 1913.

If they did not, the story is likely to be baseless.

According to Ana de Sagrera's book "Ena y Bee", which is a reliable source, Elisabeta did visit the Spanish court and met Alfonso XIII. The book states that he was charmed by her, but it doesn't state that they had an affair.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 12, 2013, 10:47:29 AM
I think Elisabetta did flirted with the king on her visit and seen dancing with him, but I don't think there was an affair.

The lady closest to the camera was Elisabetta's Aunt Bee (Baby Bee) who did kept an eye on her during Elisabetta's trip to the court of Spain.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on January 31, 2013, 03:18:21 PM
Really ? It seem to indicate that it is only a "historical novel". If that is the case, then it should be seen as the likes of "The Other Boleyn Girl".

The cover of Pilar Eyre's book clearly states that it is a novel.

As far as ascertaining the truth or otherwise of this suggestion, the starting point must be whether Elizabeth and Alfonso actually met in 1913.

If they did not, the story is likely to be baseless.

According to Ana de Sagrera's book "Ena y Bee", which is a reliable source, Elisabeta did visit the Spanish court and met Alfonso XIII. The book states that he was charmed by her, but it doesn't state that they had an affair.

Pilar Eyre, author of the new book on Queen Sofia of Spain, writes in El Mundo (in an article on Spain's social life in 1913) that:

"She tells a party at the palace of the Marchioness of Esquilache in 1913. The King and Queen attended, as well as Beatrice of Coburg (Infanta Beatriz). The party was to in honour of Princess Elisabetha (Princess Elizabeth of Romania). After dinner and a ball with the Queen, the King did not stop dancing with Elizabeth. According to the article, the Princess had come to Spain with clear intentions: "I have tried all possible vices. Let's see if they teach me something new here!".  Next day, the King took the Princess in his car for a visit and, in the evening, another party at the palace of the Marchess of Casa Valencia. Next morning, the King went to the Orleans palace to take Elizabeth for some ice skating. In the evening another ball for the inauguration of the palace of the Prince and Princess of Pless. A lavish dinner and fireworks. The King and the Princess got "lost" in the gardens. A paper next day made reference to a Princess and a high personality of the Kingdom. Due to the gossip, the Princess had to leave Spain."

courtesy Manuel Franco-Iberian Message Board


Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 31, 2013, 05:08:17 PM
That s the same thing she wrote in Ena´s book

Pilar isnt a very reliable source, i must say 0_o
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 31, 2013, 05:09:40 PM
This sounds more like gossip and fiction than history. Richard Mateos who said most of the information from the Ena book is trash. No truth at all.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 31, 2013, 05:20:56 PM
Same thing of Empress Eugenie book and i ve heard the same about the countess of Barcelona one so, with this record...better not to  believe what this woman writes.

 
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 01, 2013, 08:13:37 AM
Indeed...Much worse than a Kitty Kelly Biography.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on February 01, 2013, 06:32:55 PM
Since I don't speak Spanish, does anyone know if the El Mundo article was supposed to be a historical article as opposed to a fictionalization ala the Ena book. There was no further discussion on the message board so I don't know anyone else's reaction to it nor can I read the article quoted.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: trentk80 on February 01, 2013, 07:13:01 PM
Since I don't speak Spanish, does anyone know if the El Mundo article was supposed to be a historical article as opposed to a fictionalization ala the Ena book. There was no further discussion on the message board so I don't know anyone else's reaction to it nor can I read the article quoted.

I read the article. It's a piece of gossipy trash.
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on February 01, 2013, 08:12:20 PM
Well, that's that then. :)
Title: Re: Princess Elizaveta of Romania, spouse of King George II of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 01, 2013, 11:41:59 PM
I think the consensus is that anything that this Pilar wrote should be regarded with caution.