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Title: identification
Post by: ferngully on June 12, 2005, 07:17:30 AM
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Title: Re: identification
Post by: ferngully on June 13, 2005, 02:13:10 PM
could i ask whats going on in this pic as well?
http://www.livadia.org/olishka/images/nagirlsclergyduringwar.jpg
selina                  xxxxxxx
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_sofia on June 14, 2005, 09:24:38 AM
i always wondered what was going on in that pic too,
sopsxx
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Val289 on June 14, 2005, 10:17:07 AM
It looks like it's Alexandra (Sitting), and maybe Tatiana and Olga (standing).  Looks as though they are meeting or talking with some people from the church.........  The picture looks like it could have been taken in the Crimea.  Maybe Lanie (who's so good with pictures and dates) or someone else can tell us more?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on June 27, 2005, 07:12:01 AM
(http://www.etnshops.com/postcards/listings/18.gif)


is the tsar and Tsarina? it looks like them. ???
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on June 27, 2005, 09:57:29 AM
thank u Laura... do u know, where, and wen it was taken?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Abby on June 27, 2005, 11:52:15 AM
Hmm. Yes it looks like Alix, Nicky and the Dowager Empress...I think I see GD Sergei's somewhere to the right of her too. Small picture!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: londo954 on June 27, 2005, 03:05:12 PM
the picture was taken at Gatchina I think looks like the staircase at teh entrance
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Agneschen on June 27, 2005, 08:09:56 PM
There is a bigger version of this picture in Larissa Iermilova's The last Tsar (or, at least, in the French edition of it). Nicky is standing between Alix (left) and GD Maria Pavlovna the elder (right). Standing behind Alix and Nicky is GD Sergei Mikhailovich.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Baby Tsarevich on July 12, 2005, 01:19:51 AM
(http://www.livadia.org/trw/photos/9.jpg)
who is the second from the right? ???

~Anastacia~
Title: Re: identification
Post by: bluetoria on July 12, 2005, 05:39:29 AM
Alexei??
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Fay on July 12, 2005, 06:30:48 AM
I'd say so.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: carlota11 on July 12, 2005, 07:11:54 AM
I think that's Tatiana...with short hair
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Shvibzik on July 12, 2005, 09:50:03 AM
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Alexei??

It couldn't be Alexei, look how rough the waves are.  He probably wouldn't be aloud in.  I'm pretty sure it's (left to right) Olga N., Olga A., Tatiana N., Nicolas II.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on July 12, 2005, 10:10:54 AM
its definatly not alexei. i think tatiana is by nicky
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on July 14, 2005, 09:38:22 AM
I was looking through Peter Kurth's Tsar last night and there was a picture that seems to be from the same vacation and it says Tatiana was with Olga and Nicholas. She did have her hair cut short at the time.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on July 14, 2005, 10:03:28 AM
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I was looking through Peter Kurth's Tsar last night and there was a picture that seems to be from the same vacation and it says Tatiana was with Olga and Nicholas. She did have her hair cut short at the time.


o ok that helps alot thanks alot!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on July 15, 2005, 12:43:38 PM
I'm puzzled over this photo. GDss Olga,her husband Prince Petr and... ??? The caption says a young woman is a Princess of Oldenburg, sister of Prince Petr. As we know Petr was the only child of his parents. May be she is his cousin?


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/olgapetrprincess.jpg)

They are very informal and relaxed!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 15, 2005, 02:13:37 PM
maybe shes Countess Alexandra von Zarnekau, she a cousin of Peter's.

Or Countess Alexandra's sisters - Catherine or Nina.

who knows?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on July 15, 2005, 02:53:07 PM
She is not Alexandra of Zarnekau, I saw her picture...Might be one of her sisters...
Title: Re: identification
Post by: koloagirl on July 15, 2005, 02:55:01 PM
 :) :)

Calling GDElla!!!   I KNOW that you must know the answer to this!

Janet R.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 15, 2005, 03:24:58 PM
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She is not Alexandra of Zarnekau, I saw her picture...Might be one of her sisters...


Can you post Alexandra's picture? please? :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on July 15, 2005, 03:44:02 PM
I don't have the picture of Alexandra at hand right
now :(...

Title: Re: identification
Post by: hikaru on July 15, 2005, 04:06:57 PM
She is a relative of Petr , obviously. Their eyes are the same.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on July 15, 2005, 11:33:57 PM
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:) :)

Calling GDElla!!!   I KNOW that you must know the answer to this!

Janet R.


Thanks for the vote of confidence Janet.  :)

I'll have to do some thinking on this one.

Just for some clues:

Peter was born in 1868 and was married to Olga from 1901-1916 (to help date the photo). His female Zarnekau cousins were born in 1883, 1884 and 1892 respectively.

That seems to big an age difference for this photo.

His uncle Nicholas had 1 daughter about the same age as Peter. They were Alexandra, Ctss von Osternburg who was born in 1864. Two other daughters died before 1890.

Peter didn't seem to have too many female cousins around the same age--at least not on his father's side.

On a side note, did Alexandra marry AII and Katia's son George?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on July 15, 2005, 11:44:24 PM
Could it be his cousin on his mother's side Daria Beauharnais? She was the daughter of his mother's brother, Eugene, Duke von Leuchtenberg, Prince Romanowsky. She was born in 1870 and married Prince Leon Kotchoubey in 1893. They divorced in 1911 and she returned to Russia. She remarried in 1911 Waldemar von Gravenitz who died in 1916. She herself was executed in Leningrad in 1937.

Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on July 15, 2005, 11:47:08 PM
One other suspect--he really didn't have a lot of female cousins on either side--is Sophie of Baden. She was the daughter of his aunt Princess Maria Romanowsky who married Wilhelm of Baden. Sophie was born in 1865 and married Duke Friedrich of Anhalt in 1889. From the one picture I've seen of her though, she doesn't really resemble the lady in the photo above.

I'm still betting on Daria.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on July 16, 2005, 02:23:08 AM
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I'm still betting on Daria.



:o I have just seen some resemblance to Daria. Possibly you are right!...
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 16, 2005, 10:49:29 AM
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On a side note, did Alexandra marry AII and Katia's son George?


Yep. :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 16, 2005, 10:53:14 AM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/olgapetrprincess.jpg)




(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/HSHCountessDariaEvgenievnadeBeauhar.jpg)

Heres Daria, umm maybe it is her , but an older her? :-/
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Shvibzik on July 16, 2005, 11:02:30 AM
She definately looks Daria.  Look at the chin, hair, ears, nose.  And as Mandie said, the first picture may be when she's older.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on July 17, 2005, 01:32:29 PM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/HSHCountessDariaEvgenievnadeBeauhar.jpg)

Heres Daria, umm maybe it is her , but an older her? :-/


I believe she is not Daria. I've seen the picture on some site, and I'm sure it's a mistake, the woman is not Daria.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Speedycat on July 17, 2005, 02:22:16 PM
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........ She herself was executed in Leningrad in 1937.




Yikes :o, Any details on this?  Or just part of the "overall purges" of that awful era.


BTW, if that is indeed Daria in the Court Dress, then it looks like the same woman to me as in the first  group photo.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 17, 2005, 06:22:41 PM
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I believe she is not Daria. I've seen the picture on some site, and I'm sure it's a mistake, the woman is not Daria.



Then who is she? :-/
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on July 17, 2005, 09:12:13 PM
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Yikes :o, Any details on this?  Or just part of the "overall purges" of that awful era.


I don't know all the details but she wound up living in either St Petersburg or Moscow after the Revolution. Somehow she became known just as 'Dora Leuchtenberg' and remarried for a 3rd time to a former Austrian officer. For years she worked at a library and somehow in the 30s became implicated (most likely falsely) in being an informer and in anti-government activities. She and her husband were both arrested and after 'trials' were shot.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on July 18, 2005, 12:09:19 PM
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Then who is she? :-/

That woman in a Russian-court dress might be Princess Maria of Leuchtenberg, nee Countess Grabbe, spouse of Prince Nikolay Nikolaevitch Leuchtenberg-Romanovskiy.

Just for comparison. Prince Nikolay and his wife Maria.


Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 18, 2005, 02:46:33 PM
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That woman in a Russian-court dress might be Princess Maria of Leuchtenberg, nee Countess Grabbe, spouse of Prince Nikolay Nikolaevitch Leuchtenberg-Romanovskiy.



I don't thing so, I think the woman with Olga and Peter and in the court dress is Daria.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Joy on July 30, 2005, 11:30:34 PM
I'm new here, but I'd need some help identifying people in this picture. I suppose it was taken at Yalta in 1891, in the silver wedding of tsar Alexander III and Empress Maria Feodorovna.



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/nanamoura/familia_imperial.jpg)


I believe I've identified some people at the picture:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/nanamoura/familia_imperial_1.jpg)


1 - GD Alexander Mikhailovich (?)
5 - GD Ksenia Alexandrovna
7 - GD Olga Alexandrovna
8 - GD Alexandra Iosifovna (?)
10 - Tsarevich Nicholas Alexandrovich
11 - Empress Maria Feodorovna
12 - GD Michael Alexandrovich (?)




(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/nanamoura/familia_imperial_2.jpg)

14 - GD Nicholas Nikolaievich (?)
16 - GD Dmitri Konstantinovich (?)
19 - GD George Alexandrovich (?)
20 - GD Konstantin Nikolaievich (?)
21 - Tsar Alexander III
23 - GD Andrew Vladimirovich (?)
24 - GD Vladimir Alexandrovich (?)


Any guess?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on July 30, 2005, 11:49:46 PM
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I'm new here, but I'd need some help identifying people in this picture. I suppose it was taken at Yalta in 1891, in the silver wedding of tsar Alexander III and Empress Maria Feodorovna.

I believe I've identified some people at the picture:


1 - GD Alexander Mikhailovich (?)
5 - GD Ksenia Alexandrovna
7 - GD Olga Alexandrovna
8 - GD Alexandra Iosifovna (?)
10 - Tsarevich Nicholas Alexandrovich
11 - Empress Maria Feodorovna
12 - GD Michael Alexandrovich (?)
Any guess?


2—GD Constantine (KR)
6—GDss Paria Pavlovna (Miechen)
7—GDss Helen Vladimirovna
8—GDss Alexandra Iosifovna
9—Queen Olga of Greece
10—Tsarevich Nicholas
11—Empress Marie Feodorovna
12—GD Michael
13—one of GD Constantine’s sons
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on July 30, 2005, 11:53:24 PM
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14 - GD Nicholas Nikolaievich (?)
16 - GD Dmitri Konstantinovich (?)
19 - GD George Alexandrovich (?)
20 - GD Konstantin Nikolaievich (?)
21 - Tsar Alexander III
23 - GD Andrew Vladimirovich (?)
24 - GD Vladimir Alexandrovich (?)
Any guess?



14 - GD Nicholas Nikolaievich
15-- ?
16 - GD Dmitri Konstantinovich
17- -?
18-- ?
19 - GD George Alexandrovich (?)
20 - GD Michael Nikolaievich?  
21 - Tsar Alexander III
22—GD Boris V (?)
23 - GD Andrew Vladimirovich (?)
24 - GD Vladimir Alexandrovich

Title: Re: identification
Post by: hikaru on July 31, 2005, 02:35:59 AM
17 - Prince of Olydenburg - husband of Olyga Alexandrovna
19 - Pavel Alexandrovich
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on July 31, 2005, 10:42:34 AM
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17 - Prince of Olydenburg - husband of Olyga Alexandrovna
19 - Pavel Alexandrovich


I think you're right about #19. I hemmed & hawed for awhile but now looking at Nicholas's age I don't think it could be GA.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on July 31, 2005, 01:32:27 PM
13 - GD Alexey Mikhailovich
4 - Prince Karl Mikhail of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (2d son of GDss Ekaterina Mikhailovna)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on July 31, 2005, 01:33:42 PM
15- Prince Alexander Petrovich of Oldenburg
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on July 31, 2005, 01:35:18 PM
#1 is not Sandro but his brother Sergey Mikhailovich.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on July 31, 2005, 01:43:06 PM
3 - Duke Georgiy of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, elder borther of #4
17- Prince Petr of Oldenburg (spouse-to-be of Gdss Olga Alexandrovna)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Duchess_Scarlett on August 07, 2005, 10:28:44 PM
I was wondering if the boy in the sailors uniform was Alexei, because if doesen't really mention his name underneath, and who are the other children also?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/otmafan/greecehesserussia.jpg)

Scarlett
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Baby Tsarevich on August 07, 2005, 10:32:43 PM
Yes I believe that is Alyosha! ;D Who is the little boy on the right hand side (he's so adorable ;))

~Anastacia~
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on August 07, 2005, 10:37:22 PM
I'm quite sure it's Alexei as well. Too bad I don't know German -- perhaps the caption is his title rather than his name?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: crazy_wing on August 08, 2005, 01:07:51 AM
Yes, it is his title.  it says hereditary grandprince.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Baby Tsarevich on August 08, 2005, 10:30:12 PM
Thanks for the information Thomas!

since that question is anwsered, I hope that Duchess_Scarlett wont mind if I post another picture for identification! Okay so, who is this:

(http://www.jacobite.ca/postcards/images/luitpold11.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Tasha_R on August 08, 2005, 10:35:36 PM
Um... you mean Prince Leopold of Bavaria?

Best regards,
Tasha
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Tasha_R on August 08, 2005, 11:03:25 PM
Yes, it is in answer to B_T's question.  It's written on the bottom of the picture itself - although it's in German, so perhaps others  were unable to read it.

Best regards,
Tasha
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Baby Tsarevich on August 08, 2005, 11:27:29 PM
Yes thank you very much Tasha, m question it anwsered! ;D
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Angie_H on September 01, 2005, 02:34:45 PM
Is this Olga with one of her sons?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/booboogbs1/34_3.jpg

Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ortino on September 01, 2005, 04:18:39 PM
Yes. It is Olga with Tihon I believe.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 06, 2005, 08:10:24 PM
This photo is misidentified in Fall of the Romanovs as "Alexandra in bed amid her icons." On the previous page, they'd mislabeled Maria as Alix, but I'm not sure if this is her as well. I get Olga and Maria confused every now and then at this age, and when their hair is down I'm just hopeless...  ::)

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/scan0042.jpg)


For comparison's sake, here's the one I'm sure is Maria, which was likely taken at the same time:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/scan0041.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ortino on September 06, 2005, 08:25:12 PM
The first one is Olga. I'm astounded by your second picture though, I've never seen it or its wonderful view of Olga/Tatiana's bedroom!  ;D ;D ;D That must be the missing side of the room that no photo other than this one shows. Did the doors in the background lead to the hallway?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: RealAnastasia on September 06, 2005, 11:25:28 PM
The first one is Olga..Look at her eyes and nose.

And the second, of course is Maria.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: isabel on September 07, 2005, 12:55:32 AM
The first one is Olga......is she comb with tresses??

I don´t belive she had such a long hair at this age.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 07, 2005, 07:03:47 AM
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The first one is Olga......is she comb with tresses??

I don´t belive she had such a long hair at this age.



yup thats olga and maira!

umm well i think she had her hair up at the time. but i think she might have let it loose right in that picture. but i can't be all to shure.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Laura Mabee on September 07, 2005, 07:51:05 AM
I can assure you. It is definatly Olga and then Maria (With Nicky).
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 07, 2005, 08:05:40 AM
I think you may be right, Ortino. If I look closely at the frieze along the ceiling, I think I see dragonflies among the morning glories! That door in the background probably does lead to the hall, since the other doorways in the room were located at right angles to the windows at the outside corners of the room.

Title: Re: identification
Post by: Holly on September 07, 2005, 11:27:38 AM
That's definetly Olga and then Maria.
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THESE PICS! I have never seen the second one and the first only once before!!!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ortino on September 07, 2005, 04:17:18 PM
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I think you may be right, Ortino. If I look closely at the frieze along the ceiling, I think I see dragonflies among the morning glories! That door in the background probably does lead to the hall, since the other doorways in the room were located at right angles to the windows at the outside corners of the room.

Here's  a thread with the upstairs floorplans:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=palace;action=display;num=1082893477



I noticed the dragonflies right away and it made me jump in my seat with excitement! ;D As I've never seen the back wall of either of the girls' rooms, thank you very much sarahelizabethii! ;D ;D ;D It would have to be one of the girls' rooms anyway, considering that on the immediate right a striped campbed is noticeable. I just noticed that next to Marie, a fireplace can be made out on a portion of the wall I've never understood. In this painting of Olga/Tatiana's room (ALWAYS labeled incorrectly as Marie/Anastasia's room) it is instantly noticeable that the back wall is wallpapered while the rest is painted. What was behind it? I've never understood the need for it or if it was just an architectural detail. Also, what is that thing hanging on the ceiling in both the picture and the painting?

http://www.alexanderpalace.com/anastasia/images/amroom.jpeg

Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 07, 2005, 05:43:19 PM
I haven't got a clue about that hangy-down thing.

I would think the section that looks wallpapered is actually a screen to separate their beds from the rest of the room. I know in one of the girls' wartime letters to the tsar, she mentions removing the screens from near their beds during warm weather to get some more air into the room. I had the small 2-3 panel sort of dressing screens in mind when I read it and couldn't figure out how that would have made such a difference in air circulation. But if they were more like partitions, that would explain things.

As for the fireplace -- I don't see it in the photo. To the left of Maria's head, I see what looks like a small dressing screen (rather like the green one that appears on the right of the painting you posted) and on the right an icon holder built into the wall. Wait a minute -- do you mean the ledge to the left of the screen may be a mantlepiece? I don't see any indication of a fireplace on the floorplan, but didn't the downstairs rooms have them in similar locations?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ortino on September 07, 2005, 08:31:02 PM
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I haven't got a clue about that hangy-down thing.

I would think the section that looks wallpapered is actually a screen to separate their beds from the rest of the room. I know in one of the girls' wartime letters to the tsar, she mentions removing the screens from near their beds during warm weather to get some more air into the room. I had the small 2-3 panel sort of dressing screens in mind when I read it and couldn't figure out how that would have made such a difference in air circulation. But if they were more like partitions, that would explain things.

As for the fireplace -- I don't see it in the photo. To the left of Maria's head, I see what looks like a small dressing screen (rather like the green one that appears on the right of the painting you posted) and on the right an icon holder built into the wall. Wait a minute -- do you mean the ledge to the left of the screen may be a mantlepiece? I don't see any indication of a fireplace on the floorplan, but didn't the downstairs rooms have them in similar locations?


Well, the wallpapered area looks quite solid, so I don't know if they were able to move it. It has pictures on it and everything. I would think if they were going to move something, it would be the partitions. Their beds were not separated from the rest of the room really other than with paneled screens, so I don't see how it would serve a purpose there. If I didn't know already that their wardrobes were kept in the bathroom area I would have assumed that it would have a type of closet area. Perhaps it was a dressing room/preparation area? I'm sure the bathroom would not have been that private with four girls sharing it. The only problems with that is that I don't see any way to get around that wall and into the area "behind" it. As can be seen, the wall next to the door is solid, with a painting hanging on the left.

Yes, I meant the mantlepiece looking ledge by Marie.  :) It would seem a rather odd place to have a shelf-usually they're much higher up on the wall. This is halfway between the ceiling and the floor, indicating that it might be the mantlepiece to a fireplace. Besides, I think it just looks like a fireplace-it has all the correct features. From looking at both the first and second floor plans, the girls' rooms seem to be above the Mauve Room and Pallisander Room, both of which contain fireplaces. The Mauve's is even on the same wall as Olga/Tatiana's, which would explain why it might be located there in their room, while the Pallisander's is in the corner on an angle. The playroom also had a fireplace, so I would not be surprised if all the children had them as well. Wait-perhaps the space behind the wallpapered wall was an architectural necessity to accomodate the fireplace?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 07, 2005, 08:48:26 PM
About those camp beds -- has anybody got a good photo of them? The only beds I've ever seen a really clear shot of are the brass sickbeds. Even the photo of the GDs' bedroom in the Ipatiev House shows the headboards draped with blankets and the footboards obscured by chairs stacked with clothes...
Title: Re: identification
Post by: RealAnastasia on September 07, 2005, 09:50:18 PM
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yup thats olga and maira!

umm well i think she had her hair up at the time. but i think she might have let it loose right in that picture. but i can't be all to shure.


Yes, Olga HAD her hair up in those times, but she was a bed in this moment and people didn't wore her hair up in the bed.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ortino on September 07, 2005, 09:51:25 PM
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About those camp beds -- has anybody got a good photo of them? The only beds I've ever seen a really clear shot of are the brass sickbeds. Even the photo of the GDs' bedroom in the Ipatiev House shows the headboards draped with blankets and the footboards obscured by chairs stacked with clothes...


I've never seen a full view of the Grand Duchesses' beds, but here's a very good one of Alexei's. I'd imagine that the girls' ones wasn't very different, except perhaps without the side protection.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/booboogbs/AlexeiMogilev1916.jpg
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 08, 2005, 06:46:42 AM
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Yes, Olga HAD her hair up in those times, but she was a bed in this moment and people didn't wore her hair up in the bed.

RealAnastasia.


yeah i was going to say. keeping your hair up well you sleep would kill!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Margarita Markovna on September 08, 2005, 01:08:58 PM
Would their beds have looked like this?

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/margaritamarkovna/Romanov%20Photos/ipatievroom.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 08, 2005, 04:44:04 PM
isn't that the room when they were underhouse arrest?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Margarita Markovna on September 08, 2005, 05:01:16 PM
Yes but the beds seem to be the same as the one of Alexei. Maybe these were the beds they always had with them.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olga_Anna on September 08, 2005, 05:58:39 PM
Yes, those were the same beds. They took those beds with them everywhere they went even to house arrest, I think they even took them to Livadia also.  
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 08, 2005, 06:06:46 PM
Yup, that's the girls' bedroom in the Ipatiev House. They brought their camp beds with them from the Alexander Palace. Trouble with most photographs is, the beds are either draped with blankets & stuff, or there's a sombody lying in them! You can see striped footboards fairly well in this shot, but I'd like to get a better glimpse of how the main body of the bed was constructed. The legs are visible in the photo of Maria & Nicky, and you can tell they fold up. I'm wondering just how primitive, so to speak, these beds actually were. Was there any sort of spring apparatus, or just a stuffed mattress that could roll up? They look pretty darn sturdy when they're all made up like this, don't they?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Laura Mabee on September 08, 2005, 07:54:38 PM
Aren't those the beds from Tobolsk? Didn't they have to sleep on the floor at the Ipatiev?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: sailor_of_standart on September 08, 2005, 09:01:42 PM
No they didn't sleep on the floor at Ipatiev house.  The men who killed them took the beds and used it for their own beds.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 08, 2005, 09:18:33 PM
Initially, they did sleep on the floor. Their baggage didn't catch up with them for a little while. Olga, Tatiana, Anastasia & Alexei arrived in Ekaterinburg on May 23, but their beds weren't delivered until the afternoon of the 27th. In the meantime, Alexei slept in Maria's bed, and OTMA slept "on cloaks and cushions in the adjoining room" (according to Alix's diary, quoted in King & Wilson, pg 155).
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Arkhimago on September 09, 2005, 02:09:50 AM
Actually, this picture is of the Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna holding Guri Nicholaevitch, her younger son. It was photographed at Hvidore in Denmark.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 09, 2005, 07:13:50 AM
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Yes, those were the same beds. They took those beds with them everywhere they went even to house arrest, I think they even took them to Livadia also.  


o really? i never knew that thanks!

the must have been cots? right. it would be hard taking all of those beds.

i think i have a picture of alexei and nicky's bed while in Stavka
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 09, 2005, 08:08:13 AM
Their beds were probably halfway between bed and  what we'd today call a cot. They were nickel-plated, and basically collapsable. I've searched the web looking for WWI-era camp beds, but I'm not having much luck. Here's the modern equivalent, which is quite a bit less fancy, but I think the basic structure is the same:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/cot.jpg)

And just for fun, here's the opposite extreme -- an American Revolution general's folding canopy bed. It weighed 50 pounds, and was hinged to fold up and fit in a box!
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/gen_wayne_bed.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Laura Mabee on September 09, 2005, 03:46:13 PM
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Initially, they did sleep on the floor. Their baggage didn't catch up with them for a little while. Olga, Tatiana, Anastasia & Alexei arrived in Ekaterinburg on May 23, but their beds weren't delivered until the afternoon of the 27th.

Thanks for the correction, I wasn't sure about this one  :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olga_Anna on September 09, 2005, 09:11:56 PM
Sorry this off the topic.
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http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/margaritamarkovna/Romanov%20Photos/ipatievroom.jpg


If you look near the top of the bed nearest the right side, that painting looks like the painting (http://www.livadia.org/olishka/images/olgapainting.jpg) Olga painted. That could have been Olga's bed.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Margarita Markovna on September 10, 2005, 09:05:19 PM
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Sorry this off the topic.

If you look near the top of the bed nearest the right side, that painting looks like the painting (http://www.livadia.org/olishka/images/olgapainting.jpg) Olga painted. That could have been Olga's bed.


Did she paint it for someone else? If not, I would guess it's Olga's bed too.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 10, 2005, 09:44:11 PM
I don't think that's the same painting. The one on the wall looks more like a photo or drawing of the Standart to me. Also, the ship on the wall is headed toward the right; in Olga's painting the prow points to the left.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: matushka on September 11, 2005, 02:20:50 PM
A little question> I always thought it was the tobolsk'room of the girls, not the Ipatiev one. We know a picutre of the girls's room in Ekaterinburg, after the murder. It looks a little bit different (for me). And... when could have been done a picture of their room in Ipatiev with all their things? If we have not others pictures?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olga_Anna on September 11, 2005, 04:29:02 PM
I'm pretty sure it's the Ipatiev room of OTMA. I don't know if there is another pic of that room. (At least I have'nt seen another.)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 11, 2005, 04:33:05 PM
i dont see where you are talking. the standart where is it?

because it just takes a very long time for my computer to load the quoted pictures.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 11, 2005, 05:17:05 PM
Gd_42 -- On the left side of the Ipatiev bedroom photo, up near the top of the wall, there's a framed picture of a boat. I'm guessing it's the Standart.

Matushka -- I've always seen that photo identified as taken in the Ipatiev house. Do you have a different photo of the Ipatiev room you can post?  I'll see if I've got any other photos of the Tobolsk or Ipatiev bedrooms.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ortino on September 11, 2005, 08:05:41 PM
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/margaritamarkovna/Romanov%20Photos/ipatievroom.jpg

The picture above is the girls' room at Tobolsk, not the Ipatiev house. I've never seen it labeled otherwise.

http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Inside.htm

At this website, the whole Ipatiev house can be seen from the inside, including the Grand Duchesses' bedroom. It is much larger and grander than the picture above, clearly making them two different rooms.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 11, 2005, 09:16:18 PM
Warning -- Imperial Doofus on the loose!

um...WHOOPS! You got me there, guys. That's definitely the Tobolsk bedroom Ritka posted.

I will attempt to redeem myself with an accurate photo of the Ipatiev bedroom in a moment. My scanner is nearly done with another very large AP project, soon to be revealed!  8)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 11, 2005, 09:59:01 PM
Ok, here's the room the girls shared in the Ipatiev House. (really!) The photo was taken after the Bolshevik evacuation of the city. The inset is of the chandelier, which Sidney Gibbes later took to England. (There's also a goofy little overlap of Olga's diary on the bottom corner -- can't help it!)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/IpatievBedroom.jpg)
(from Tsar, by Peter Kurth)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 24, 2005, 06:21:33 PM
is this nastya or maria?

(http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size3/D0100/1001551.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on September 24, 2005, 06:22:30 PM
She looks too tall to be Anastasia. My guess is Maria.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 24, 2005, 07:03:43 PM
could be a young olga?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ortino on September 24, 2005, 07:20:34 PM
I too would say it's Marie.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: RealAnastasia on September 24, 2005, 09:05:40 PM
I agree with Ortino.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on September 24, 2005, 09:12:25 PM
No, I don't think it's Olga. Olga would have been a bit skinnier.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on September 24, 2005, 11:34:13 PM
(http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2981/015tp.jpg)
Anyone know who this is? It was identified as Aleksey, but it isn't him.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 25, 2005, 09:26:11 AM
Does it look like a version of this photo is hanging beneath the boat picture in the GDss Tobolsk room? It doesn't have an oval mat, but the pose looks similar to me.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/MamaPapa1917.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/c6c8c159.jpg)
(top photo from Romanovs: Love, Power & Tragedy)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Margarita Markovna on September 25, 2005, 09:35:59 AM
It does a little...
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ortino on September 25, 2005, 01:57:57 PM
Yes, I would say that it is. You can tell it's the same.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: matushka on September 25, 2005, 02:17:57 PM
It seems to be. YOu can see also a picture of october 1916, with cosak (feast of the Konvoi) and grands-duchesses in fear.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 25, 2005, 03:06:38 PM
i'll try to lighten the picture maby that will help.

but as clock's picture i think it might be one of the sailor's son.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 25, 2005, 03:11:02 PM
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http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/margaritamarkovna/Romanov%20Photos/ipatievroom.jpg

The picture above is the girls' room at Tobolsk, not the Ipatiev house. I've never seen it labeled otherwise.

http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Inside.htm

At this website, the whole Ipatiev house can be seen from the inside, including the Grand Duchesses' bedroom. It is much larger and grander than the picture above, clearly making them two different rooms.


o thast a wonderful site! thank you.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Annie on September 25, 2005, 08:32:39 PM
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Their beds were probably halfway between bed and  what we'd today call a cot. They were nickel-plated, and basically collapsable. I've searched the web looking for WWI-era camp beds, but I'm not having much luck. Here's the modern equivalent, which is quite a bit less fancy, but I think the basic structure is the same:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/cot.jpg)



I slept on one of those things in a tent once, it was the most uncomfortable night I ever spent. I prefer the floor, or even the ground to those things. What a shame they never got to sleep on real matresses in their lives.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Margarita Markovna on September 26, 2005, 06:44:49 AM
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I slept on one of those things in a tent once, it was the most uncomfortable night I ever spent. I prefer the floor, or even the ground to those things. What a shame they never got to sleep on real matresses in their lives.



I agree, although they might have had very good backs- my mom slept on one of those cots in India and it made her back feel better, surprisingly.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 26, 2005, 06:46:11 AM
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I agree, although they might have had very good backs- my mom slept on one of those cots in India and it made her back feel better, surprisingly.


realy i would have never quessed.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: RussiaSunbeam1918 on September 26, 2005, 07:09:50 AM
Hmmm...it's difficult to say which GD that is....

As for the Alexei one, I am not sure, but I am leaning twards agreeing with GD42
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Margarita Markovna on September 26, 2005, 02:01:05 PM
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realy i would have never quessed.



Same. It was weird.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 26, 2005, 04:11:12 PM
well i know that the GD picture is definatly not Tatiana so shes cut out of the picture.

Olga
Tatiana
Maria
Anastasia
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 26, 2005, 04:13:09 PM
i would think that they were hard and not soft at all.

they don't look comfortable. but there is always that saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olga_Anna on September 26, 2005, 05:36:13 PM
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Olga
Tatiana
Maria
Anastasia

It can't be Anastasia. It just might be me but it looks more like Olga than Marie. I would have to say it's Olga.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 26, 2005, 08:10:09 PM
it looks like a young olga beacuse look how thin she is. maria was thin but not that thin.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 26, 2005, 10:50:40 PM
Do you know what year the photo was taken? Even with an approximate date, we could rule out somebody based on skirt length and hairstyle...

(At first glance, I'm leaning toward Maria)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 27, 2005, 06:16:10 AM
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Do you know what year the photo was taken? Even with an approximate date, we could rule out somebody based on skirt length and hairstyle...

(At first glance, I'm leaning toward Maria)


no sorry i have no idea when it was taken. maby like 1914?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 27, 2005, 08:08:42 AM
That's probably the latest possible date -- 1914 was their last crusie on the Standart. Anyway, if it is 1914, it can't be Olga or Tatiana -- our Mystery GD has a short skirt & her hair down.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: matushka on September 27, 2005, 09:14:54 AM
I think it is MAria in Finland in 1912.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: divine_grace on September 27, 2005, 01:08:12 PM
Hey guys,

Regarding the mysterious grand duchess, according to the book called "Nicholas and Alexandra- the family albums", it says that its Grand Duchess Olga (in my opinion as well). It says that it was taken in 1908 at Padio Sari on the Baltic coast. That would make Olga a 12 year old grand duchess in that picture. It seems like it right?

Divine Grace
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 27, 2005, 03:50:11 PM
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Hey guys,

Regarding the mysterious grand duchess, according to the book called "Nicholas and Alexandra- the family albums", it says that its Grand Duchess Olga (in my opinion as well). It says that it was taken in 1908 at Padio Sari on the Baltic coast. That would make Olga a 12 year old grand duchess in that picture. It seems like it right?

Divine Grace


is it the same picture in the book?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 27, 2005, 03:58:52 PM
if you ask me. you can't really tell what the hair color is.. but you can certainly tell about the body shape. i think its olga becuse that looks like the right length of hair, and the right body shape.

i don't see a bigger belly in this girl at all.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 27, 2005, 04:04:54 PM
M was a little bigger then Olga and Tatiana. She wasn't fat at all.


Now - I'm not sure it is Maria. I have fix the picture a bit..plus in same pics of Olga as a young teen her hair looked lighter.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/1001551.jpg)


Olga or Maria.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/OlgaRomanovaofRussia.jpg)

Olga..........



.arould the same age???
Title: Re: identification
Post by: divine_grace on September 27, 2005, 05:09:56 PM
Yes grandduchess_42, it is the same picture.

Divine Grace
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchess_42 on November 28, 2005, 08:50:58 AM
yes its Olga! thank you  :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Baby Tsarevich on November 28, 2005, 09:27:30 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/1001551.jpg)
I think that's Marie, just the way her hair is and all ressembles her!

~Anastacia~
Title: Re: identification
Post by: AGRBear on November 28, 2005, 09:28:19 AM
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(http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2981/015tp.jpg)
Anyone know who this is? It was identified as Aleksey, but it isn't him.


Anyone know who he is?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: RealAnastasia on November 28, 2005, 11:20:07 AM
For me, he is Alexei...But I may be wrong.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on November 28, 2005, 10:59:56 PM
According to Nicholas & Alexandra: The Family Albums, the photo of Nicholas and the unidentified Grand Duchess was taken in 1908.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Margarita Markovna on November 28, 2005, 11:25:07 PM
Then I'm guessing Olga. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: matushka on November 29, 2005, 05:28:36 PM
I wrote Maria in 1912, but yet I remember that in 1910 the GD wore such dresses, remember this famous picture, the four of them on a beach, it is wendy and they all smile. So, perhaps Olga in 1910?
I wish Lanie could help us!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mrs.Seay on December 13, 2005, 08:37:11 PM
i found this photo in a vintage clothing and antique store i work in on the east coast in the us actually i think it is a repo and some one has written 1893 on it (which can mean nothing) i think it might be  maria pavlovna "the elder"  grand duchess of vladmir ... if this photois not her any ideas who she might be?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Beergnome/royaljewels2.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: koloagirl on December 13, 2005, 08:40:32 PM

Looks like Alix to me??

Janet R.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mrs.Seay on December 13, 2005, 08:43:18 PM
assuming she is family to them at all and i find no public pictures of the crown and jewels she is wearing any imput is greatly appreicated as i would like for her to have her name
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Shvibzik on December 13, 2005, 08:45:57 PM
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Looks like Alix to me??

Janet R.

I don't think so.  At first glance it looked like Alix, but if you really look at it, it doesn't as much.  I think her chin is too stubby to be Alix's. :P
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mrs.Seay on December 13, 2005, 08:53:01 PM
again assuming she is even part of the family more then anything i want to give her a name and hopefully find out what happened to her belongings that she wore in this photo
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Russian_Duchess_#5 on December 13, 2005, 09:15:19 PM
To me, she's not Alix, thought it does look like her.. :-/
I don't think that those jewels survived the revolution, nearly none did, no matter who they belonged to.
I am assume that this is the original photo, but scanned?
Because, if you look at her jewelry closely, there is a blue sapphire, and a photo from that era (a sepia photo, no less) would not have any color.
You can see that the diamonds are the color white and gleaming, also.
This photo has been tampered with.
Or am I seeing things?

Sofia
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mrs.Seay on December 13, 2005, 09:22:38 PM
if the photo has been tampered with it was not by my hands i just really need input on who she is i hate to sound sentimental and silly buti am drawn to her image (probaly because like a magpie i am attracted to shiny sparkley things) i really want to give her a name and maybe find out more about her and hopefully in the process find another print like this but yes i have to agree with you this photo print or what ever it is has some blue/grey in it
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on December 13, 2005, 11:15:12 PM
It looks more like Stana or Militza to me.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on December 14, 2005, 12:23:56 AM
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It looks more like Stana or Militza to me.


I'd say Militza...though the sisters looked like twins! :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Angie_H on January 18, 2006, 06:52:50 AM
I just finished reading "Imperial Dancer" by Coryne Hall which I thought was an excellent book. I just found it disconcerting never to really find out who was the father of Mathilde Kschessinska's son, Vova. Andrei Vladimirovich or Sergei Mikhailovich? What about the way Vova was raised, I don't think he ever knew the truth either? I admire the way Mathilde persevered after losing so much in the Revolution. And even though I admire the way Vova took care of her when she was elderly, I had to think with all the spoiling she did with him he grew up to be a big mama's boy. Never really having a life of his own, depending on his parents to the very end, til they were gone. Is Mathilde's biography "Dancing in Petersburg" any good? Does it have any good pics of her in it?
Any way....
I found a Russian site website with a picture on it. Can someone please translate the caption under the pic? Is that Andrei or Sergei with Mathilde & Vova?
Thanks!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/booboogbs1/MathildeKschessinska.jpg

Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on January 18, 2006, 08:12:42 AM
I think it's Andrei.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on January 18, 2006, 08:13:48 AM
It's Andrei Vladimirovich.

The full caption reads, "In Belgium with Grand Duke Andrei Vladimirovich and son Vladimir, around 1907." (It doesn't actually say that the boy is his son, though -- just hers.)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Danjel on January 21, 2006, 12:23:59 PM
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i found this photo in a vintage clothing and antique store i work in on the east coast in the us actually i think it is a repo and some one has written 1893 on it (which can mean nothing) i think it might be  maria pavlovna "the elder"  grand duchess of vladmir ... if this photois not her any ideas who she might be?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Beergnome/royaljewels2.jpg)


She's not russian at all, but egyptian....Khédiva Emineh Ilhami, born Prss Amina Khanum Effendimiz (1858-1931 )
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Danjel on January 21, 2006, 12:27:48 PM
at his site you'll see the same picture

http://www.egyptedantan.com/famille_souveraine/famille_souveraine2.htm
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Arleen on January 21, 2006, 01:28:48 PM
Danjel, what a wonderful website!  I got lost and spent a long time looking at all of his pictures.  How did you know to look there??

Arleen
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Danjel on January 22, 2006, 01:59:03 PM
I knew I had her stored somewhere...so I had to look...then I suddenly I remembered I had this site somewhere in my favourites.....how I found it, just googling!  ;D
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mrs.Seay on January 29, 2006, 10:43:43 AM
Thank you so much for the help and yes it is her i can not thank you enough...many many thanks.! now does any one have a suggestion on what to do with the picture? i have her name now and would like to find her a good home.
regards
mrs seay
Title: Re: identification
Post by: ordino on March 27, 2006, 12:18:08 PM
When and Where
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/ordino/FOTIC3.jpg)


thanks
Ordino :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Forum Admin on March 27, 2006, 02:28:45 PM
Ordino,
You must put the entire url of the photo exactly. The url you put up is only to your account in general.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on March 28, 2006, 02:21:51 PM
To me, it looks like late 1917-early 1918, Tobolsk.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on March 28, 2006, 02:27:59 PM
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To me, it looks like late 1917-early 1918, Tobolsk.
I agree. Looks like Olga, to me.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Laura Mabee on March 28, 2006, 02:37:06 PM
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I agree. Looks like Olga, to me.
Oh My! I can see Olga too! For the longest time I always thought it was Tatiana. So I looked over the picture and can see both girls. I'm so confused now *rattles brain*  [smiley=undecided.gif]
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on March 28, 2006, 02:58:04 PM
At first glance, I saw Olga. But now I can see how it can be Tatiana, too.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Aliss_Kande on March 28, 2006, 04:15:15 PM
I see Tatiana.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: ordino on March 28, 2006, 04:39:58 PM
I also think that is Tobolks end 1917 or January-February 1918, I see Tatiana, her elegance is unmistakable.
But looking the photo, and here ask  your help again, see the up right corner, you see something like a roof, a small part of a roof and the Nicholas´s hand is  on the fence- the right hand- but see with attention, where is his right arm, you see the hand but where is the arm. thanks for the your ideas
Ordino :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: ordino on March 28, 2006, 04:48:23 PM
Now you can see what a I mean.

ftp://[IMG]http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/ordino/FOTIC3.jpg[/IMG]
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Forum Admin on March 28, 2006, 04:51:15 PM
It must be Tobolsk, with all the snow, it is clearly winter. Nicholas no longer has any military buttons, badges etc. on his coat.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: GD Alexandra on March 28, 2006, 04:56:49 PM
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... where is his right arm, you see the hand but where is the arm. thanks for the your ideas
Ordino :)

...the arm is embracing the fence, on the other side of it
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on March 28, 2006, 05:01:36 PM
Does the woman in the picture have Olga's "humble snub?" I can't tell.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: ordino on March 28, 2006, 05:04:37 PM
...for mi looks cut, the position of the arm is strange, can you see the hand?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Valmont on March 28, 2006, 05:08:27 PM
It is Olga and Nicholas in Tobolsk.....No doubt...
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ortino on March 28, 2006, 05:30:46 PM
Tatiana I believe was as tall as Nicholas, not Olga. In the picture they are of almost equal height, meaning that it would have to be Tatiana. At first glance though, the face strikes me as Olga. Can someone provide the eldest grand duchesses' approximate heights?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on March 28, 2006, 08:01:38 PM
There was a thread on it awhile ago. I think most people put Tatiana around 5'9, and Olga around 5'5.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on April 22, 2006, 12:47:41 PM
I need help with a photo on the front of the book 'The Fall of the Romanovs', seen here:

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0300065574.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

This is a photograph I've never seen before.  The only I/D the book gives is that it was taken c.1915.  I was just wondering if anyone knows where this was taken, and exactly when? Nobody looks particularly happy in it, so I was thinking it was perhaps taken while they were under imprisonment rather than in 1915? Can anyone help?

Thanks in advance!

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: identification
Post by: julia.montague on April 22, 2006, 01:18:22 PM
1915 is more realistic than in imprisonment. They have long hair and look younger
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on April 22, 2006, 01:38:43 PM
Yes, Yelisaveta, you are right. Alexei still has a sailor suit on, and Nicholas has his epaulettes on his uniform.  I didn't look closely enough! I just saw their rather miserable faces and thought perhaps it was at Tsarskoe Selo in 1917.

So, definitely not in imprisonment then.  Can anyone shed more light?

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ortino on April 22, 2006, 02:51:12 PM
The first things about the photo that struck me was a) hair length b) clothes.

Olga and Tatiana both have their hair up, indicating that it has to be at least 1913. Marie doesn't have her hair up meaning that it has to be before June of 1915, because Marie would have been 16 then. Also, during the war, Alix didn't buy the girls new clothes and the trend of their fancy matching outfits generally disappears. Alexei also started to wear uniforms instead of sailor suits to support the Russian army. My best guess would be either right after the start of the war--autumn, early winter of 1914--or sometime before August 1914, perhaps the spring.

The Empress' devotion to nursing began as early as the end of 1914, so she, Olga, and Tatiana would probably have been wearing uniforms if it was taken in 1915.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: imperial angel on April 24, 2006, 08:26:21 AM
Yes, I  agree with ortino. It's not a photo you often see, I don't think. Generally, the date given for it is 1915, but for the reasons ortino stated, it may be earlier. It's a nice photo, and I have sometimes wondered about it as well, so thanks for starting this thread.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on October 12, 2006, 11:11:45 AM
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/who2.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on October 12, 2006, 11:14:04 AM
I found this portrait done by Winifried Ursula Nikolson who was at the beginning of the 20th century one of the court painters in St.Peterburg!This portrait remindes me of one of the Hesse sisters...What do you think?It doesn't say who it is...
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on October 12, 2006, 04:21:44 PM
It also looks like Ella to me,but since I am not such an expert I just wanted to ask...Thanks for your opinion Crazy :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on May 06, 2007, 10:59:18 PM
Some help with who is who!  ;D

(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2364/ra8vk18et6.th.jpg) (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ra8vk18et6.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on May 07, 2007, 07:18:36 AM
I'd been wondering about that one, too. My best guess on the grand duchesses is (l to r):
Olga, Tatiana, Maria

Because....it looks to me like all of them are wearing their hair up, which rules out Anastasia. I'm pretty darn sure that's Tatiana in the middle, and I think Olga would have been too thin to be the GD on the right.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Stasie on July 19, 2007, 11:50:01 AM
Could someone please identify the baby Alix is with? I think it's Marie, but I'm not sure.
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/otmaa/Alix/1a8xx.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Stasie on July 20, 2007, 11:27:49 AM
Could someone tell me who is in this picture? I can obviously see the Tsar, but who are the other three people?
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/otmaa/nicky.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Condecontessa on July 20, 2007, 01:30:22 PM
I believe from left to right- Olga Nicholaievna, Olga Alexandrovna, Tatiana and the Tsar. It was taken in the Crimea. You know, I wonder who took the picture. Was it Alexandra, Maria, Anastasia or possibly Alexei. Does Alexei have his own camera, I wonder.

Condecontessa
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Stasie on July 20, 2007, 03:52:22 PM
Thank you so much  :D
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on July 20, 2007, 04:02:02 PM
Could someone please identify the baby Alix is with? I think it's Marie, but I'm not sure.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/otmaa/Alix/1a8xx.jpg (http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/otmaa/Alix/1a8xx.jpg)

Yes, that's Maria. The court was in mourning in 1899 (perhaps for the tsar's brother Gerogiy?) and that's why Alix is wearing black in Maria's formal baby photos.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Condecontessa on July 20, 2007, 10:26:00 PM
Thank you Sarushka for identifying that particular photo. I myself debated if it was Tatiana or Maria since to me they looked similar when they were infants (Duh, they're sisters ;D).  I read in a book once that Alexandra gave a copy of that photo to Xenia enclosed in a Faberge frame.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Stasie on July 31, 2007, 08:48:26 PM
Does anyone know who the two boys are in this pic, and which Grand Duchess is in the pic. I think its Marie:
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/otmaa/Alix%20with%20her%20childern/448305425.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on July 31, 2007, 08:54:19 PM
They look like Ernie's sons, George Donatus (Don) and Louis. I think I've seen a photo of them in those outfits.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on July 31, 2007, 09:53:24 PM
Based on her proportions and the length of her hair, I think it's Maria, but it could possibly be Olga as well. It's hard to be sure without another grand duchess to compare height and skirt length. ;)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: jmjjmjjmj on August 01, 2007, 12:03:24 PM
I recently acquired in Paris a set of three original photographs of the Vladimirovichi in a folding leather display portfolio. The photographs can be dated to about 1885-6 because of the apparent age of their youngest child, G.D. Helena, who appears to be 3 or 4.

The photograph in the middle is of G.D. Vladimir and his wife. The one on the right is the Grand Duchess and her four children (the back was labeled in French with the names and titles and Vladimir spelled with a “W”).

The one on the left appears to have the three Vladimirovichi boys with two other male adults. The one in the white uniform looks to me like Tsar Alexander, though his beard is shorter than I have seen it otherwise. The other one I first guessed to be G.D. Pavel. However, the Hussar uniform he is wearing is not decorated with the cords that I have otherwise seen in pictures of G.D. Pavel. Also, the man in the photo has less hair on his forehead than I have seen in photos of Pavel.

The photos have an embossed old-style cyrillic word at the bottom, presumably the name of photographic studio. In transliterated Russian it appears to me to be: Levtuxii . Also, the leather portfolio has the following on the back: Tonnel, 12 rue de la Paix, Paris. I checked and there is no company of that name presently at the address mentioned.

The provenance of the photos is also somewhat of a mystery.

The dealer is reputable, someone I met originally on a previous trip to Paris eight years ago. He is almost 90 and of Russian origin, though he left Russia in the 1960s. He told me he purchased them around 1970 in Rome from a relative (variously granddaughter or niece) of the former governess of G.D. Olga, the dowager Queen of Greece who was a daughter of G.D. Konstantin Nikolaevich. He also gave me reason on at least one of my visits to conclude that they had originally belonged to the Olga herself.

The specifics differed slightly during the three times I visited him, but that can be understood given his age and health and the fact that his daughter was on one occasion prompting him to recite again the provenance.

One corroborating fact is that eight years ago he had for sale a large leather portfolio containing two oval glass-covered photographs of G.D. Pavel and his first wife, Alexandra of Greece, who was Queen Olga’s daughter. (I foolishly delayed my decision to purchase it for a month during which it sold to someone else). He told me that all his Russian imperial artifacts came from this one purchase).

All that being said, why would Queen Olga’s governess (or perhaps more likely Queen Olga herself) have had three photos of the Vladimirovichi? Perhaps it was normal for members of the Imperial Family to share photos back and forth.

Any help identifying/confirming my identification as well as speculation on their provenance would be very much appreciated.

Here are copies of the photographs:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/10824665@N03/975212293/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10824665@N03/975212233/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10824665@N03/975211991/

The photos in their casing:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10824665@N03/975212195/

The writing on the back:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10824665@N03/975212055/

Has anyone ever come across these photos before?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on August 01, 2007, 12:19:48 PM
What a wonderful group you obtained!

I'm not sure about the one photo with the 2 men and the Vladimir children--neither adult male looks like any member of the family I know of (though I'm not an expert on some of the lesser-known branches) but the one male is definitely not Alexander III. I don't think the bald man is Paul--his head was shaped differently.

The middle photo is definitely Vladimir & Miechen and the other is Miechen with her children.

I could see how Olga's governess could end up with the photos--Queen Olga was very close to her Russian relatives and photos were always swapped back and forth, and not just with the Romanovs. The governess could have even been given the photos herself directly from the Vladimirs. Many members of royal Households, especially those who were in closer contact with the royal families, were given photos of those royals they encountered. Many were even signed.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on August 01, 2007, 12:38:57 PM
What a wonderful group you obtained!

I'm not sure about the one photo with the 2 men and the Vladimir children--neither adult male looks like any member of the family I know of (though I'm not an expert on some of the lesser-known branches) but the one male is definitely not Alexander III. I don't think the bald man is Paul--his head was shaped differently.



As I've answered in the another thread the man at left is VERY much like GD Friedrich Franz III, brother of Gdss Maria Pavlovna...The other man could be also a relative of the Grand Duchess.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on August 01, 2007, 09:33:48 PM
Yes, I replied to that one the other thread.  :) I think that you're probably right about it being Miechen's brother.  I think there's going to be some cross-posting with the question being on 2 threads.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: charley on August 04, 2007, 08:31:39 PM
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/charley4/captivity.jpg)

Oh My goodness, I actually got a picture to post. I am certainly on my way.  :) Who is this young child in this picture?  I thought Lili Dehn's child, but her child was born in 1908, so this child is to young. Her other children were not born until she left the country. Also, has anyone zoomed in on this picture. The girl who is second from the left looks very strange. Her nose is very, very long and, to me, it does not really look like any of the Grand Duchesses.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: charley on August 04, 2007, 09:17:50 PM
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/charley4/captivitypicture.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/charley4/captivitycbild.jpg)
These are closeups.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: charley on August 04, 2007, 09:19:12 PM
Now I need to figure out how to make my "closeups" bigger.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on August 04, 2007, 10:53:46 PM
The photo was taken in Tobolsk in 1917 or 1918. I don't know who the child is, but the GD second from right is Olga. (It's just a shadow that makes her nose look so long.) Click here (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/tobolskgroup.jpg) for a larger version.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: charley on August 05, 2007, 09:24:17 PM
Does anyone think it strange that this small child is with the IF when they are under captivity? The family obviously knows the child well from the way it sits in the picture. Why would they have a small child with them?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on August 05, 2007, 09:37:40 PM
I can clearly see Olga and Anastasia in this pic, but it the other girl Marie or Tatiana?
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/otmaa/OTA/aot-1.jpg (http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/otmaa/OTA/aot-1.jpg)

It's Maria, Olga, and Anastasia.

Does anyone think it strange that this small child is with the IF when they are under captivity? The family obviously knows the child well from the way it sits in the picture. Why would they have a small child with them?

I have never heard of a youngster that age staying with the IF or any of their retinue in exile. In Tobolsk, it appears that the IF was occasionally allowed outside the fence around the governor's mansion, so I would guess the child is a resident of the town who was deemed young and harmless enough to pose with the family. Here's another photo, perhaps with the same child:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_tatianabald.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/tatianabald.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: charley on August 05, 2007, 09:48:52 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_tatianabald.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/tatianabald.jpg)

Where did this photo come from? I haven't seen it before. In the other picture, it doesn't look like the child is posing, but actually hanging out with them. This picture was taken inside the stockade fence. I would think with all the monotony of captivity, that one of the family members would have mentioned in their diary, that they played with a cute little child from the town. They mention other interactions, such as the nuns bringing the eggs from the town, etc. Why not mention this and why wouldn't the mother want to pose with the family as well? Still seems odd to me. Do you have any other pictures of this child?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on August 06, 2007, 09:23:20 AM
Where did this photo come from? I haven't seen it before. In the other picture, it doesn't look like the child is posing, but actually hanging out with them. This picture was taken inside the stockade fence. I would think with all the monotony of captivity, that one of the family members would have mentioned in their diary, that they played with a cute little child from the town. They mention other interactions, such as the nuns bringing the eggs from the town, etc. Why not mention this and why wouldn't the mother want to pose with the family as well? Still seems odd to me. Do you have any other pictures of this child?

Both of the photos with that child appear in Nicholas II: The Last Tsar (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=21), by Marvin Lyons. The book offers no explanation for the child's presence, and the captions say only that it is "an unidentified child." Those are the only photos I'm aware of.

I can understand a parent being reluctant to pose with the exiled imperial family. It may have been cute and harmless for a toddler to be photographed with a bald grand duchess, but perhaps not wise for an adult to link him or herself with the overthrown regime. Or perhaps a passing child was lifted over the fence to play -- the grand duchesses did love to fuss over little children, and the fence was not prohibitively high -- but an adult was not allowed in.

Our main source for info during the IF's captivity is Alix's diary, and that may explain why there's no mention of the child in the existing record. Alix often stayed indoors during the alloted exercise period, and perhaps never met the child. I would imagine the grand duchesses would have written about it in their diaries, but to my knowledge none of their diaries from captivity have survived.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on August 24, 2007, 07:52:11 PM
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dbf41rd0.jpg

Who is the child? Ebay said it was Olga Nicholaievna, but I want to be sure.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: LisaDavidson on August 24, 2007, 08:33:02 PM
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dbf41rd0.jpg

Who is the child? Ebay said it was Olga Nicholaievna, but I want to be sure.

Possibly Olga, if only because there is only one child in the photo. After TN was born, there are mostly shots of all the children born up until then.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Stasie on August 25, 2007, 02:19:02 PM
is that cousin Willy greeting Nicky?
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/otmaa/Alix%20and%20Nicky/scan4zk.png)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on August 25, 2007, 07:38:17 PM
is that cousin Willy greeting Nicky?
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/otmaa/Alix%20and%20Nicky/scan4zk.png (http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/otmaa/Alix%20and%20Nicky/scan4zk.png)

Yes, I believe so.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: anna11 on September 12, 2007, 06:15:10 AM
Which girl is ALix with here?

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/anna_11/5.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Lisa on September 12, 2007, 04:26:00 PM
Anastasia
Title: Re: identification
Post by: anna11 on September 24, 2007, 02:48:04 AM
Thankyou! And...err I have another question. (That's all I seem to do :D)

Who is the boy here with MA and Alexei?

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/anna_11/MA1910-1.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 24, 2007, 07:50:39 AM
That was taken in Germany in 1910, so I would guess it's one of their Hessian (or Greek) cousins. I don't know for sure, though.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: dmitri on September 24, 2007, 11:40:28 AM
It looks like Crown Prince Olav of Norway, later King Olav V of Norway. He was the son of King Haakon VII of Norway and Queen Maud. Queen Maud was a first cousin of Alexandra Feodorovna and King Haakon VII was a first cousin of Nicholas II. Queen Maud was the sister of King George V of United Kingdom.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Condecontessa on September 25, 2007, 07:27:59 AM
The child is one of Grand Duke Ernst's sons. Either Donatus or Louis (not to sure about the youngest son's name). I'm pretty sure the eldest.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 26, 2007, 04:59:56 PM
It's Georg Donatus (1906-1937). His brother, Prince Louis wasn't  born until 1908. So, all the subjects in the photo died tragic deaths, because Georg Donatus died in the plane crash at Ostend which also killed his wife and two sons.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: anna11 on October 30, 2007, 05:28:33 AM
Hey, this photo has been labeled Alix, but it looks more like Irene to me. Can anyone tell me for sure who it is?

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/anna_11/alix-1.jpg)

Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on October 30, 2007, 05:41:59 AM
That is Alix in 1888.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: anna11 on October 30, 2007, 06:02:52 AM
Ah, ok thanks.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on November 24, 2007, 03:44:35 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AlexandraAlexei1906.jpg
Is this Aleksey? It says it's him, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on November 24, 2007, 07:59:00 AM
I've always seen it labeled as Aleksei, but it's hard to be certain.

I think there's a very good possibility that it's Aleksei. I have a few other photos of him as a toddler wearing a sailor suit with a skirt, and long hair with bangs. It appears that he didn't begin wearing a hat that said Standart until he was old enough to wear trousers.

The girls also wore a similar hairstyle and dress as toddlers, but if the date (1906) is correct, it can't be one of them.

At any rate, I think it must be one of OTMAA, and it probably is Aleksei. With the possible exception of Dickie Mountbatten, I don't think I've ever seen a child other than OTMAA photographed on the Standart.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Gabriella on November 24, 2007, 06:11:44 PM
Thankyou! And...err I have another question. (That's all I seem to do :D)

Who is the boy here with MA and Alexei?

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/anna_11/MA1910-1.jpg)

The boy is Ernie's eldest son Georg-Donatus (1906-1937).
Title: Re: identification
Post by: matushka on March 13, 2008, 06:40:28 AM

I can understand a parent being reluctant to pose with the exiled imperial family. It may have been cute and harmless for a toddler to be photographed with a bald grand duchess, but perhaps not wise for an adult to link him or herself with the overthrown regime. Or perhaps a passing child was lifted over the fence to play -- the grand duchesses did love to fuss over little children, and the fence was not prohibitively high -- but an adult was not allowed in.

Our main source for info during the IF's captivity is Alix's diary, and that may explain why there's no mention of the child in the existing record. Alix often stayed indoors during the alloted exercise period, and perhaps never met the child. I would imagine the grand duchesses would have written about it in their diaries, but to my knowledge none of their diaries from captivity have survived.

I can not remember where, perhaps in some GD's letter, I read about a little boy, a six years old Tolia (nickname for Anatoly). He was the child of a women who came regulary at the beginning to clean the governor's house. Perhaps is that this Tolia?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Nemos on March 26, 2008, 06:44:19 AM
(http://i028.radikal.ru/0803/7b/4d892a0e1790t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i028.radikal.ru/0803/7b/4d892a0e1790.jpg.html)

1913
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on March 26, 2008, 07:27:53 AM
(http://i028.radikal.ru/0803/7b/4d892a0e1790t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i028.radikal.ru/0803/7b/4d892a0e1790.jpg.html)

1913

This is 1896 year, coronation of Emperor Nicholas II.
Sitting on the floor: Princess Olga of Wuerttemberg
Sitting (left to right): GDss Alexandra Iosifovna, Duchess Louise of Connaught
Standing (left to right): Princess Elsa of Wuerttemberg, Duchess Vera of Wuerttemberg, GDss Anastasia of Mecklenbourg-Schwerin, GDss Maria Pvalovna-elder, GDss Elena Vladimirovna, GDss Elizaveta Mavrikievna, Princess Elena of Saxe-Altenbourg.
Back row: pages.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 13, 2008, 11:49:08 AM
Hello everyone!

Wel...l i was browsing the Beinicke albums and i found these pictures of a handsome hussar. I would love to know who he is..

(http://i35.tinypic.com/2v3305l.jpg)

(http://i38.tinypic.com/8x23wj.jpg)

Thanks!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Nemos on September 13, 2008, 12:21:38 PM
"Сашка Воронцов", Лейб-гвардия Гусарский Его Величества полка  штабс - ротмистр граф Александр Воронцов - Дашков. Царское Село, Волконская улица (современная Парковая), дом командира Гусарского полка В.Н.Воейкова. (1910).

"Sashka Vorontsov", Lejb-gvardija Hussar of Its Majesty of a regiment shtabs - the captain count Alexander Vorontsov - Dashkov. Tsarskoje Selo, Volkonsky street (modern Park), the house of the commander of the Hussar regiment of V.N.Voejkova. (1910).

http://geglov2.narod.ru/Albom_Imper/004/Albom4_35.html

P.S.

Был сегодня в доме А.Вырубовой. Сделали ремонт в стиле дачи А.Пушкина.
Was today in A.Vyrubovoj's house. Have made repair in style of a summer residence of A.Pushkina.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 13, 2008, 12:52:02 PM
Thanks you so much for your answer, Nemos!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Gabriella on September 15, 2008, 06:03:53 PM
Does anyone know who the two boys are in this pic, and which Grand Duchess is in the pic. I think its Marie:
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/otmaa/Alix%20with%20her%20childern/448305425.jpg)

As Grandduchessella told the boys in the picture are Ernie's sons, Georg-Donatus (Don) and Louis. THe picture was made in 1910 when the Imperial Fiamily stayed in Friedberg, a town north of Darmstadt and Frankfurt on the Main while Alix took the spas in Bad Nauheim. Afterwards there was a family gathering in Darmstadt and Wolfsgarten.

Does anybody know whos's the lady in the wheel-chair? She has a close resemblance to Grandduchess Eleonore (Onor), the mother of the boys,
but she also resembles Alix.

I also would like to know where the picture was taken. The house in the background looks like the so-called tea-house which is on the grounds of Wolfsgarten. But I am not quite sure.

Regards, Gabriella.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on September 15, 2008, 08:49:34 PM
IMO, the grand duchess in the photo is more likely Olga than Maria. She looks more like a 15-year-old than an 11-year-old to me.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 22, 2008, 06:41:26 AM
I need your expert help over here =D

Someone posted the next illustration in another forum about royalty. She said it is Nicky and Alicky s wedding...but i clearly see she s wrong

(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8682/000377110sg0.jpg)

Who are these people¿. The groom looks to much like Alexander II
Title: Re: identification
Post by: nena on November 22, 2008, 11:36:48 AM
That is lovely picture. I think I can recognise Marie Feodorovna in the back. And I believe that is conoration illustration, I don't know for sure.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 22, 2008, 11:59:08 AM
They are holding  "unity candles"...that was used for coronations too?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: nena on November 22, 2008, 12:02:53 PM
In coronation illustrations I have seen, NII&A are holding candles.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on November 22, 2008, 02:17:27 PM
It can't be the coronation -- the tsar always crowned himself (and possibly his wife as well, I'm not sure) at the coronation. It was symbolic of the fact that he was God's anointed, that no one had higher authority than the tsar himself.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: nena on November 22, 2008, 02:26:00 PM
Other variation is -- that is conoration, but painter made mistake...... ;). And Tsar gave crown for Tsarina.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on November 22, 2008, 04:04:46 PM
IMO, it is a drawing of a wedding, probably N&A's. Aside from the issue of the crowns, N&A both wore full length, ermine-trimmed gold robes like this one during the coronation ceremonies:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AF1896cloak.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/?action=view&current=AF1896cloak.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on November 23, 2008, 06:25:16 AM
I need your expert help over here =D

Someone posted the next illustration in another forum about royalty. She said it is Nicky and Alicky s wedding...but i clearly see she s wrong

(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8682/000377110sg0.jpg)

Who are these people¿. The groom looks to much like Alexander II

Why do you see that other poster was wrong? That's a wedding drawing of Nicholas II and Alexandra Fedorovna. Empress MF is behind them (at left). Of course there is a resemblance of Nicholas II to Alexander II, after all the late was his grandfather.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 24, 2008, 04:59:05 AM
I need your expert help over here =D

Someone posted the next illustration in another forum about royalty. She said it is Nicky and Alicky s wedding...but i clearly see she s wrong

(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8682/000377110sg0.jpg)

Who are these people¿. The groom looks to much like Alexander II

Why do you see that other poster was wrong? That's a wedding drawing of Nicholas II and Alexandra Fedorovna. Empress MF is behind them (at left). Of course there is a resemblance of Nicholas II to Alexander II, after all the late was his grandfather.

It is?!

Well...the groom doesnt look like Nicholas (i aint got a pretty good eye, but i can see clearly,  the groom has a clean chin...Nicholas didnt had bearded chin in the moment of his wedding?) , He s not wearing the red hussar uniform..Alicky is not wearing the Gold robe. The lady behing looks like Minnie but, i also thought that would be a young Miechen


Those indicatives makes me doubt
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on February 28, 2009, 08:06:11 PM
Can anyone tell me where these were taken? I think I know a lot of them, I just want to be sure. Sorry I have to post links, but my computer crashed, and is very slow. They'll be more, I just didn't want to post them all at once.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2dhi93m.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2ik84f8.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/30nbrzq.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2l9sg4.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/2co1ssj.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2v7yv4w.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/4t3b5z.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/mkk8aq.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2dwc84p.jpg
Title: Re: identification
Post by: nena on February 28, 2009, 08:22:55 PM
Tsarskoe Selo, Ilinoskye, Ekaterines' Palace outing, etc. Hope I helped, AP balcony, Livaida,Petrograd, During War .... ;)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Katya_C on February 28, 2009, 09:35:52 PM
Can anyone tell me where these were taken? I think I know a lot of them, I just want to be sure. Sorry I have to post links, but my computer crashed, and is very slow. They'll be more, I just didn't want to post them all at once.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2dhi93m.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2ik84f8.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/30nbrzq.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2l9sg4.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/2co1ssj.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2v7yv4w.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/4t3b5z.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/mkk8aq.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2dwc84p.jpg


Here are three of them, I might be able to ID two others, but will have to look further:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2ik84f8.jpg
Alexandra Fedorovna and daughters evaluating the grounds at Massandra Palace, Crimea, Ukraine. Page 26, Album No. 4

http://i40.tinypic.com/30nbrzq.jpg
The Empress seated in her pony chaise, accompanied by her family: the Emperor and (left to right) Marie, Olga, Tatiana, and Anastasia, seated with her mother. The walk to Kazmandemiansk, Crimea, Ukraine, 1914-15. Page 14, Album No. 3

http://i44.tinypic.com/2l9sg4.jpg
Tea at the farm (Oreanda), Crimea, Ukraine, 1914-15. Page 9, Album No. 3

Katya C.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Katya_C on March 01, 2009, 02:44:24 AM
I made a mistake on the location of this one (below), it should be Russia, not Crimea:

http://i40.tinypic.com/30nbrzq.jpg
The Empress seated in her pony chaise, accompanied by her family: the Emperor and (left to right) Marie, Olga, Tatiana, and Anastasia, seated with her mother. The walk to Kazmandemiansk (Kozmodemyansk), Russia, 1914-15. Page 14, Album No. 3

Can't find the others right now either, but hope the information will turn up.

Katya C.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: nena on March 01, 2009, 08:56:30 AM
Crimea was part of Russia during IF regin.  ;). But I think I know what you mean.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Katya_C on March 01, 2009, 10:16:54 PM
Crimea was part of Russia during IF regin.  ;). But I think I know what you mean.

Oops, you're right ... thanks!!

Katya C.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on March 15, 2009, 11:01:53 AM
I was just thinking that because the person's hair is as curly as Alexei's when he was young. I didn't notice the ribbon. :-[
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Terence on March 29, 2009, 01:16:59 PM
Here's a clip from a 1901 visit to Denmark-
http://royalromania.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/tsar-nicholas-ii-of-russia-in-denmark-1901-film/

In the beginning still photo and at the end I think it shows Alexandra.  I wonder who the other ladies are?  I thought the one w/ her was Dowager Empress Maria at first, but on second look maybe it's Queen Alexandra.

Can anyone identify the people in this clip?

I don't think a link to this has been posted here before, if so my apologies.

T
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on March 29, 2009, 01:43:21 PM
In the beginning still photo and at the end I think it shows Alexandra. 

I agree.

Quote
I thought the one w/ her was Dowager Empress Maria at first, but on second look maybe it's Queen Alexandra.

I see exactly what you mean. I'm not sure either.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 29, 2009, 01:55:56 PM
I think it´s Queen Alexandra - Empress Marie appears a bit later.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: nena on March 29, 2009, 02:11:31 PM
Nice clip.

I wanted to ask who is person just near the water in this one
 (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=1207641156.jpg) ?
Do that person match with ones in this (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=Aleksje_NII_Igor_Zilijar_na_Dnjepru.jpg)?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: kmerov on March 29, 2009, 02:44:15 PM
I think it´s Queen Alexandra - Empress Marie appears a bit later.

Yes, you are right. The woman dressed in white is Crown Princess Louise of Denmark, and after her I think some of her daughters but it's hard to tell.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Condecontessa on March 30, 2009, 10:53:46 AM
Nena, I think you're right. I forget his name because I seem to not be able to remember the names of KR's sons.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: nena on March 30, 2009, 04:21:45 PM
Then, you mean, Igor Konstantinovch? Or someone else is there?

Edit: I think we can not be sure, since we don't know were photos taken at same time/day?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 31, 2009, 04:43:35 AM
Then, you mean, Igor Konstantinovch? Or someone else is there?

Edit: I think we can not be sure, since we don't know were photos taken at same time/day?

The others are the Tsar, Pierre Gilliard and Dr Botkin I think
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 31, 2009, 04:45:50 AM
http://i42.tinypic.com/2v7yv4w.jpg

that one was taken at Illynskoe just after the 1896 coronation of the Imperial Couple
Title: Re: identification
Post by: nena on March 31, 2009, 03:47:06 PM
I think, so Thomas Hesse, thank you, btw, I noticed one person more in a boat on the Dnieper. Derevenko maybe?

And, can be instead of Botkin,  tutor Pyotr/Peter Vasilevich Petrov? I believe it can be Botkin, sine doctors needed to be near the Heir every day.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 31, 2009, 04:31:58 PM
I don't think that that man is Dr Botkin or Petrov - for both man were rather "large" :)
It might be an ordinary soldier or sailor from the yacht/suite - no particular person you would know.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on May 10, 2009, 02:38:54 PM
Do that person match with ones in this (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=Aleksje_NII_Igor_Zilijar_na_Dnjepru.jpg)?

And, can be instead of Botkin,  tutor Pyotr/Peter Vasilevich Petrov? I believe it can be Botkin, sine doctors needed to be near the Heir every day.

Botkin was Alexandra's doctor, so I doubt it's him. Drs. Federov and Derevenko more often accompanied Aleksei.

Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olgasha on May 13, 2009, 05:58:18 AM
Could someone tell me, who is that boy with Misha and Olga on this photo?

(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6971/oaf0096hh2ks.jpg)

Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on May 13, 2009, 06:53:13 AM
Could someone tell me, who is that boy with Misha and Olga on this photo?




GD Georgiy, their elder brother.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on May 16, 2009, 04:11:41 PM
I found this book, in "The Last Grand Duchess" of Olga Alexandrovna.

It's Olga Alexandrovna and two cousins, I think its Princess Alexandra of Saxe-Coburg and Grand Duchess Elena Vladimirovna.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/DSC00977.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on May 17, 2009, 04:20:10 AM
I found this book, in "The Last Grand Duchess" of Olga Alexandrovna.

It's Olga Alexandrovna and two cousins, I think its Princess Alexandra of Saxe-Coburg and Grand Duchess Elena Vladimirovna.


The girls are Princess Beatrice of Saxe-Coburg and GDss Elena Vladimirovna.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on May 17, 2009, 11:04:40 AM
Are you sure it Beatrice? Beatrice had such dark eyebrows and hair. But I trust your judgment. So it’s Beatrice. thanks. Alexandra had a rounder face right?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on May 17, 2009, 11:15:50 AM
Yes, it's Beatrice. The cousins were of age.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on May 17, 2009, 02:18:56 PM
Alexandra had a rounder face right?

Yes, and also another eye shape.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 17, 2009, 03:37:44 PM
The label said "imperial child". Anyone knows which one?

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/royalty/B861FP.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on May 17, 2009, 05:04:31 PM
The label said "imperial child". Anyone knows which one?

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/royalty/B861FP.jpg)

I think Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Douglas on May 17, 2009, 05:26:16 PM
This is the Tsar and Empress arriving onboard German Imperial yacht Hohenzollern.  The German sailor is  wearing an  old fashioned straw hat  from the last century.

is that cousin Willy greeting Nicky?
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/otmaa/Alix%20and%20Nicky/scan4zk.png)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on May 19, 2009, 12:24:24 AM
Concerning Reply # 283:   IF (and this is a big "IF") the photograph of the child is still in/on its original cardboard frame/backing, IMO it is not Russian, because the crown is clearly NOT the Russian Imperial crown (to which GD Pavel A. would have been entitled even as a child).  Even allowing for "artistic llicense," I have never seen the Russian Imperial Crown depicted as such.  Off-hand, the crown here appears to be close in depiction to the Italian or one of the other European crowns, such as Spain.  (Of course, Italy and Spain were  never "Imperial" per se, thus the labeling as an "imperial child" would not be correct for Italy or Spain.)  All in all, until it is properly identified, it is entirely POSSIBLE that it is a pastiche OR that it is not even a royal or imperial child, but simply a period photograph of a well-born child, placed in/on the frame.     AP 
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on May 19, 2009, 06:00:05 AM
Does anyone know who the people are in this photo? It was in Anna Vyrubova's album.

(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/th_1aaaa.jpg) (http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/1aaaa.jpg)

Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on May 19, 2009, 07:09:06 AM
I think that's Vyrubova's sister and niece.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: nena on May 19, 2009, 10:09:40 AM
I think it can be Sana Pistolkros too.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on May 21, 2009, 10:41:34 PM
Not sure about this portrait or photo...It looks like the same style as the black and white portrait of Maria Pavlovna-younger...It looks to me like Prince Ioann of Russia,but not sure:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/88777.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olgasha on May 22, 2009, 01:59:16 AM
That's Ioann Konstantinovich. :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on May 22, 2009, 04:54:31 AM
Thanks :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on June 15, 2009, 09:50:48 AM
I would like to know who is the lady in the middle holding an umbrella and loking back, could she be the empress or duchess Elizabeth?
Do you know someone else?
Thank you for your help.
(http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/33077/2655464910105221653S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2655464910105221653QhuvEf)
(http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/45187/2683540590105221653S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2683540590105221653INOpOL)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: ashanti01 on June 29, 2009, 10:45:09 PM
These pictures are labled as Grand Duchess Maria G, but they don't look like her. The second one I believe looks like Zinaida Skobeleva, the mistress of Grand Duke Alexei, but I'm not sure. Help please

 (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/5a-1-1.jpg)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/8a-1.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on June 30, 2009, 12:11:45 AM
Of course that's not GDss Maria Georgievna. I can't say who's the 1st one, the 2nd one indeed has a slight resemblance to Zenaida Skobeleva-Beauharnais but seems Zenaida didn't have such a long and large nose.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Luc on July 06, 2009, 09:55:04 AM
I have a question on this painting:
Ball at the Assembly Hall of the Nobility in St Petersburg on 23 February 1913
Kardovsky, Dmitry Nikolaevich

http://hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2www/descrPage.mac/descrPage?selLang=English&indexClass=PICTURE_EN&PID=JRR-5990&numView=1&ID_NUM=1&thumbFile=%2Ftmplobs%2FDXQI3A_236VX40KR4G6.jpg&embViewVer=last&comeFrom=quick&sorting=no&thumbId=6&numResults=1&tmCond=kardovsky&searchIndex=TAGFILEN&author=Kardovsky%2C%26%2332%3BDmitry%26%2332%3BNikolaevich
 
Who are the members of the imperial family seated and standing under the red canopy ?
Seated:
Grand Duchess Victoria Feodorovna - Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna - Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna - ? - ? - Empress Alexandra Feodorovna

Maybe some of you know who the other two women are !

Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on August 22, 2009, 03:41:50 AM
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/185/fgfgfdgfg.th.png) (http://img502.imageshack.us/i/fgfgfdgfg.png/)
Is this Tatiana or Irina?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on August 22, 2009, 05:15:57 AM
Irina.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olgasha on September 30, 2009, 03:08:27 PM
Could it be Natasha Wulfert (and her husband Vladimir) on this photo? I found it labelled, as I remember, 'some members of Imperial family with friends, Gatchina'...
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8389/gatm.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Nemos on October 05, 2009, 03:09:48 PM
(http://i002.radikal.ru/0910/4a/39011f8a7a3ct.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i002.radikal.ru/0910/4a/39011f8a7a3c.jpg.html)

Ольга Павловна ?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Nemos on October 05, 2009, 03:11:50 PM
(http://i050.radikal.ru/0910/ee/b26aff84d424t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i050.radikal.ru/0910/ee/b26aff84d424.jpg.html)

Февраль 1914 Ольга Греческая ?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on October 05, 2009, 03:16:06 PM
1. Maria Pavlovna
2. Olga of Greece.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: PeterBB on October 21, 2009, 04:21:34 AM
Hello!

Can some tell for me who was these people, I think to the single lady was
Grand Duchess Maria Vladimir Alexandrovich, but who was the pair ladies?
Her daughters?

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f77/PeterBB/Other/fotoavtvaa.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on October 21, 2009, 06:16:00 AM
Grand Duchesses Olga Nikolaevna and Tatiana Nikolaevna, two elder daughters of the last Tsar Nicholas II.

On the right Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: PeterBB on October 21, 2009, 06:41:16 AM
Thank you, Grand Duchess Ally,

This was a surprised for me to the photo of sistercouple was Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaevna and Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna.

What about Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna, are that not same to Grand Duchess Maria Vldmir Alexadrovich?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on October 21, 2009, 08:35:46 AM
It is, however the right version of the name is Maria Pavlovna.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: PeterBB on October 21, 2009, 10:46:13 AM
Thank you for the great helping!!
Are these picture rare?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on October 21, 2009, 10:48:14 AM
No, not really, at least not to most members of the AP. And you´re welcome.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on December 30, 2009, 04:43:47 AM
(http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/45156/2233260620105221653S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2233260620105221653nLUdGa)
This woman is  Elisaveta Mavrikievna Konstantinova ? Thank you
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on December 30, 2009, 04:47:20 AM
(http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/45156/2233260620105221653S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2233260620105221653nLUdGa)
This woman is  Elisaveta Mavrikievna Konstantinova ? Thank you

No. This is GDss Alexandra Georgievna with her daughter GDss Maria Pavlovna-younger.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on December 30, 2009, 04:58:50 AM

To me this is 100% Alexandra Feodorovna - but the archive has identified it Elizaveta Feodorovna (I think Ella took the photo and gave it to the Tsar with her dedication - still it is Alix). We had a little fight :)

Your opinions?

(http://www.hadis.hessen.de/hadis-eLink/HStAD/D%2027%20B/1588.JPG)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on December 30, 2009, 05:26:41 AM
(http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/45156/2233260620105221653S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2233260620105221653nLUdGa)
This woman is  Elisaveta Mavrikievna Konstantinova ? Thank you

No. This is GDss Alexandra Georgievna with her daughter GDss Maria Pavlovna-younger.
thank you Svetabel. I have found , is Alexandra Georgievna
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 30, 2009, 05:35:51 AM

To me this is 100% Alexandra Feodorovna - but the archive has identified it Elizaveta Feodorovna (I think Ella took the photo and gave it to the Tsar with her dedication - still it is Alix). We had a little fight :)

Your opinions?

(http://www.hadis.hessen.de/hadis-eLink/HStAD/D%2027%20B/1588.JPG)

I don´t know, but why would the picture would be signed with Ella´s name?...... On the other hand it´s a picture for Nicky, so it could be Alix..... and on the other hand why would be Ella giving Nicky a photo of Alix in 1896?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on December 30, 2009, 05:49:09 AM
As a remembrance of their trip to Ilinskoye - as she wrote above.
I am interested in your opinion about the face - the hands, the ear, it is the Empress
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 30, 2009, 08:32:23 AM
Its Alexandra
Title: Re: identification
Post by: nena on December 30, 2009, 08:43:39 AM
I think so. I can read ' A merry Xmas to you dear Nicky, Ella 1896'. So I'd guess that Ella took the photo and gave it to Nicky. 'Sunny' definitely.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: ashanti01 on January 04, 2010, 04:48:10 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/12-23-200911-13-44PM.png)
KR & ??

Does anyone know who the child in the picture is? Thanks
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 04, 2010, 04:55:58 PM
I think, his son George.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olgasha on January 05, 2010, 03:29:23 AM
Ioann or Gavril, the younger one.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 05, 2010, 04:08:24 AM
I think it looks more like George. Anyway - it´s an incredibly sweet picture.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: ashanti01 on January 05, 2010, 12:37:55 PM
I'm starting to think it is George. KR does look older in the photo so it would make more sense.

 
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on January 05, 2010, 02:47:57 PM
Not at alll. 0 resemblance, in fact the boy posted looks more like GD Dimitri Pavlovich (im not saying its him but i see some resemblance) than young Nicholas.

and as i said before, the photograph technic and how it looks it modern than 1878`s pictures. I d say the picture of that boy is from early 1900s.

it is similar Dimitri Pavlovich, if you have certainty you can write? I send a photo of the empress, coming from same album , you know the child? thanks
(http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/45124/2893959740105221653S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2893959740105221653BsIMpF)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 05, 2010, 03:01:39 PM
I think the child with Maria Fyodorovna could be Grand Duchess Xenia.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on January 17, 2010, 03:56:33 AM
I have found online, these two images identified like grand duke Alexander Mikailovich ( husband of grand duchess the Xenia)  and Anna Vyrubova.   it is possible? I have of the doubts. Thank you

(http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/43181/2830581740105221653S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2830581740105221653ZnsDGe)
(http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/43910/2795900220105221653S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2795900220105221653YSwkpd)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 17, 2010, 04:18:31 AM
No, definitely not.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on January 18, 2010, 05:15:40 AM
I have found online, these two images identified like grand duke Alexander Mikailovich ( husband of grand duchess the Xenia)  and Anna Vyrubova.   it is possible? I have of the doubts. Thank you



Those ebay dealers sometimes are really annoying with their "rare" photos from "reliable source". They found some old Russian photo and at once claimed about their Romanov origin. And some buyers easily swallowed the bait. I don't mean you, Mishaxenia, but those who bid for such photos.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 18, 2010, 09:35:55 AM
i know this seller and i ve helped a few times in put right labels to his/her pictures. At least he/she is nice and accept her/his mistakes not like Hephaiste who sells in it majority, fake pictures about royalty and when you try to correct him/ her he/she gets pissed off.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: victoriakin on January 18, 2010, 09:43:08 AM
Not at alll. 0 resemblance, in fact the boy posted looks more like GD Dimitri Pavlovich (im not saying its him but i see some resemblance) than young Nicholas.

and as i said before, the photograph technic and how it looks it modern than 1878`s pictures. I d say the picture of that boy is from early 1900s.

it is similar Dimitri Pavlovich, if you have certainty you can write? I send a photo of the empress, coming from same album , you know the child? thanks
(http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/45124/2893959740105221653S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2893959740105221653BsIMpF)

How cuteee!! thats Georgiy Alexandrovich!! *0*

Respectfully, this photo is a female baby. The dress is flowing and obviously is a dress. The shoes are girl-style with ankle straps and tipped at the front with embellishments. I really think that this identification needs to be reviewed considering this is not a photo of a boy.

Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on January 18, 2010, 09:55:07 AM


Respectfully, this photo is a female baby. The dress is flowing and obviously is a dress. The shoes are girl-style with ankle straps and tipped at the front with embellishments. I really think that this identification needs to be reviewed considering this is not a photo of a boy.



That time little babies, boys and girls, were dressed alike. Sometimes it's even impossible to understand who is in the picture.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 18, 2010, 11:02:28 AM
Svetabel is right. Here s a proof that baby Georgiy as many baby boys of that period used dresses

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1492/10sd839.jpg)

Plus, im pretty sure this is georgiy, because looks like him and Maria`s hairdo and dress its according at the year he was born 1871-1872.

I have studied victorian fashion for years so im talking with arguments.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: SweetAngels on January 18, 2010, 11:34:13 AM
Indeed both girls and boys were dressed a like it could well been any of the tsars sons or daughter. They are many royal photos of both boys and girls dressed in dresses.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on January 19, 2010, 06:35:41 PM
i know this seller and i ve helped a few times in put right labels to his/her pictures. At least he/she is nice and accept her/his mistakes not like Hephaiste who sells in it majority, fake pictures about royalty and when you try to correct him/ her he/she gets pissed off.
They are not a vendor and is a pleasure to acquire photo of the Romanov, To identify the Imperial Family is easy but others are difficult. Some vendors are sure and create many doubts, find in sale photo of the Vyrubova,Sophie Buxhoeveden ,  guards of ipatiev' house , and others Thanks of your aid!  .  Hephaiste no comment  !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 19, 2010, 07:05:03 PM
yup, im always glad to help ebay sellers and that Seller its a pretty good person and not a Fraud one like Hephaiste. Lately his/her items are very laughable.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: victoriakin on January 20, 2010, 12:16:35 AM
Svetabel is right. Here s a proof that baby Georgiy as many baby boys of that period used dresses

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1492/10sd839.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1492/10sd839.jpg)

Plus, im pretty sure this is georgiy, because looks like him and Maria`s hairdo and dress its according at the year he was born 1871-1872.

I have studied victorian fashion for years so im talking with arguments.

To my view, boy is on the right, wearing knickers. Girl is on the left wearing frills.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: SweetAngels on January 20, 2010, 12:38:59 AM
Svetabel is right. Here s a proof that baby Georgiy as many baby boys of that period used dresses

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1492/10sd839.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1492/10sd839.jpg)

Plus, im pretty sure this is georgiy, because looks like him and Maria`s hairdo and dress its according at the year he was born 1871-1872.

I have studied victorian fashion for years so im talking with arguments.

To my view, boy is on the right, wearing knickers. Girl is on the left wearing frills.


By lookinhg how old Nicky is you can count out that it is Gerogiy in the dress.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: victoriakin on January 20, 2010, 12:50:45 AM
Svetabel is right. Here s a proof that baby Georgiy as many baby boys of that period used dresses

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1492/10sd839.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1492/10sd839.jpg)

Plus, im pretty sure this is georgiy, because looks like him and Maria`s hairdo and dress its according at the year he was born 1871-1872.

I have studied victorian fashion for years so im talking with arguments.

To my view, boy is on the right, wearing knickers. Girl is on the left wearing frills.


By lookinhg how old Nicky is you can count out that it is Gerogiy in the dress.

I don't know if it is a correct assumption to make that just because a boy on the right is known to be someone of a certain age that the figure on the left has to be a male wearing a dress. There are no males wearing dresses in that family, I am certain of it. I think that by then they had the good sense to use knickers and boots on boys and I have not yet seen a male dressed like a female, royal or not, in that era.

Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on January 20, 2010, 01:33:44 AM
Svetabel is right. Here s a proof that baby Georgiy as many baby boys of that period used dresses

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1492/10sd839.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1492/10sd839.jpg)

Plus, im pretty sure this is georgiy, because looks like him and Maria`s hairdo and dress its according at the year he was born 1871-1872.

I have studied victorian fashion for years so im talking with arguments.

To my view, boy is on the right, wearing knickers. Girl is on the left wearing frills.


By lookinhg how old Nicky is you can count out that it is Gerogiy in the dress.

I don't know if it is a correct assumption to make that just because a boy on the right is known to be someone of a certain age that the figure on the left has to be a male wearing a dress. There are no males wearing dresses in that family, I am certain of it. I think that by then they had the good sense to use knickers and boots on boys and I have not yet seen a male dressed like a female, royal or not, in that era.



And I've seen a lot of little males of that era dressed like little females. Even in the 1880-1890s some Royal persons dressed their chiildren alike.

Those boys are Nikolai and Georgiy, no doubt.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: SweetAngels on January 20, 2010, 01:48:53 AM
Their is a lot of royaltys that wore dresses, for insteant Alexei Nikolaievich wore dress when he was a small boy, his father Nikolai Alexandrovich, Xenia boys all wore dress for example. But their is a lot of male children who wore dress, even Dagmars brother Waldemar wore a dress when he was an older child. So I think that we can say that the male children did wear dresses. 
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 20, 2010, 03:03:55 AM
Until the age of three the boys inroyal families were dressed as girls.

Several examples:
Tsarevich Alexei Nikolevich
(http://nd01.blog.cz/473/946/7866b9c7b3_44810912_u.jpg)

Tsarevich Nicholas Alexandrovich with his mother Maria
(http://nd02.blog.cz/335/023/fe836871ec_58520721_u.jpg)

Grand Duke Mikhail Alexandrovich with sister Xenia
(http://nd03.blog.cz/627/167/a079707a5a_54564416_u.jpg)

Prince Andrei Alexandrovich with sister Irina
(http://nd03.blog.cz/875/920/893a7eb692_60701640_u.jpg)

Or something non-Russian: Prince John of England
(http://nd03.blog.cz/494/507/a666170fbc_60701661_u.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 20, 2010, 08:55:39 AM
Thanks for make a point. There are lots of propofs of what we are talking about. The baby with Marie F IS Georgiy Alexandrovich and the boy next to toddler Nicholas  IS also Georgiy Alexandrovich. Period
Title: Re: identification
Post by: grandduchessella on January 24, 2010, 11:48:31 AM
Can anyone identify some of the participants here?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/ella/romanovgroup-1.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 24, 2010, 12:18:36 PM
I see at the left Nicholas Ii, Alexandra and Gd serge Alexandrovich, At the right, Gd Vladimir Alexandrovich and perhaps Maria Pavlovna, but im in doubt with this one cause it could be also Ella.-
Title: Re: identification
Post by: PeterBB on January 25, 2010, 09:35:44 AM
Yes, it´s right to a lot of boys in last of 1800s to begin of 1900s (ubtil circa 1915) was clothes in femaledressed - I have a lot pictures among others of my grandfather. I thougher from begin to that was a picture of a other familymember until my grandfather told for me to that was himself and that was normal between 1880s to 1910s!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on January 25, 2010, 10:41:38 AM
I see at the left Nicholas Ii, Alexandra and Gd serge Alexandrovich, At the right, Gd Vladimir Alexandrovich and perhaps Maria Pavlovna, but im in doubt with this one cause it could be also Ella.-

Grand Duchess Elizaveta is by GD Sergei's side. I've seen slightly a better version of the photo.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 25, 2010, 11:05:18 AM
Me too but i cant remember where. So the lady, next to GD Vladimir Alexandrovich is Maria Pavlovna?,. In that caswe she looks rather young and slim!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on February 03, 2010, 09:28:37 AM
A similar photo already is posted , is identified two children, sons of grand duchess  Ksenia (Irina and Andrei) the other children who is ? Thanks

(http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/11133/2612912830105221653S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2612912830105221653rrBURA)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 03, 2010, 09:44:41 AM
That was on sale and i dont know either who s the little girl in Sandro`s lap
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Janet Ashton on February 03, 2010, 02:29:25 PM
That was on sale and i dont know either who s the little girl in Sandro`s lap

I don't think it's a girl - I would say it was Feodor before his hair was cut. He has Feodor's Alexander III-like face (very similar also to his cousin Maria Nikolaevna)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 03, 2010, 03:33:08 PM
Yes, you re right. I thought it was a girl not because the dress he s wearing. I thought he had a girlish bow in his hair xDDD
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Condecontessa on February 03, 2010, 06:18:18 PM
But why the long hair? :-\
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 03, 2010, 06:26:45 PM
It was a fashion for kids till certain age. Manoel of Portugal, Joachim von preussen , among others had long hair and ...banana curls!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: kmerov on February 04, 2010, 05:55:37 PM
Regarding boys wearing dresses and looking girlish, one most also remember that they did it in a culture that is different from today. I don't think people back then thought that they dressed males like females, but rather that they dressed them in childrens clothes, period. Saying these boys are dressed like girls is from our viewpoint in a modern culture, judging them from our way of living.
Boys wearing dresses can still be seen in some countries and cultures at their christening.

Sorry for being off-topic.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: katmaxoz on February 05, 2010, 06:49:20 AM
Can anyone identify some of the participants here?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/ella/romanovgroup-1.jpg)

Here's another version of this image. I have it labelled as being dated 1900 and a meeting of the Nobility association with N&A etc.  I think there was a nobles association building in Moscow as I've a photo of it decorated for the coronation, but don't know much else about it.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/katmaxoz/Russian%20Court%20Dress/1900-membersofthenobilityroyaltymee.jpg)

(click on the link below for the full version)

http://i46.tinypic.com/2gt3srm.jpg

Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 10, 2010, 04:55:04 AM
I found this image lablled "Empress of Russia and Empress of Austria" and presumably it is a pic from 1895 state visit of Nicholas and Alexandra to Austria (hence the lady inblack is Elisabeth Sisi). Can anybody confirm that?

(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5383/3565un3.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Katya90 on February 10, 2010, 07:52:14 PM
Out of curiosity, does anyone know who the woman in the bottom right corner of this picture is?

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/earwhacks/Internet%20Stuff/8a35899f6e_40011066_u.jpg)

Just wondering, because she has a striking resemblance to my mom!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: nena on February 11, 2010, 04:05:57 AM
The woman is Maria Ivanovna Wishnyakova, OTMAA's nurse (Aleksei's nanny). She was blamed to have had affair with Rasputin, and that is why she got suspension by Empress in 1911. The photo comes from 1908, and was taken at Tsarskoe Selo.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Katya90 on February 11, 2010, 04:10:31 PM
Hmm, interesting. Are there any other photos of her?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: nena on February 11, 2010, 11:31:25 PM
Yes, there are several ones. Look in the thread Aleksei Photos III, I posted one of him with her and Derevenko. I can't gain access my PhotoBucket account.

Title: Re: identification
Post by: Katya90 on February 12, 2010, 06:15:50 PM
Thanks for the info!!!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Rani on July 03, 2010, 05:04:34 PM
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/4HSH5_AM0966-210-3.jpg)

I don´t know if these men are royal or from military etc.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 03, 2010, 05:14:47 PM
Hmmm they doesnt looks like royals to me. But im not sure tho, it coud be a bunch of russian princes
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on July 04, 2010, 12:41:20 AM
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/4HSH5_AM0966-210-3.jpg (http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/4HSH5_AM0966-210-3.jpg)

I don´t know if these men are royal or from military etc.

Thanks in advance!

Could be some Russian nobles, no royals.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Rani on July 05, 2010, 11:45:21 AM
Ok, thanks.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 29, 2010, 11:48:19 AM
Hi there!!

i ve always been curious about this image

http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitxer:Vladimir1882cropped.jpg

It says its Gd Vladimir Alexandrovich in 1882. Well...Wasnt Vladimir  considerable  "chubbiest" than this handsome gentleman? and no mention it doesnt look at all like him

Im just saying...i think this its not Gd Vladimir  and  this gent looks more like a "Mikhailovich" than Vladimirovich
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olgasha on August 29, 2010, 12:01:22 PM
Maybe it's GD Nicholas Mikhailovich in his youth? He looks a little like him...
Look at this picture:
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4092/dsc09951w.jpg)

btw - I have the same problem with some other picture - of the man who - as it says - is GD Georgiy Mikhailovich. But he looks completely different than Georgiy.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 29, 2010, 12:13:40 PM
Yup, i thought it could be Bimbo. He was pretty handsome in is younger days *0* . I also thought it could be a young Mikhail Mikhailovich too

Ps: what picture is that¨?. Lately i ve found tons of mislabeled images. Thanks god i have a sharp eye and i can identify well some royals xDD
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olgasha on August 29, 2010, 12:37:03 PM
I'm thinking about this one - is that really Georgiy??... Because I see no resemblance between this man and him, that hooked nooooose....:/  hmm,  but maybe I'm wrong...

(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/2406/georgimikhail.th.jpg) (http://img821.imageshack.us/i/georgimikhail.jpg/)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 29, 2010, 12:47:06 PM
Wiii!!! i think the LOC has not just a few mislabeled images xDD

This is not Georgiy  whatsoever. Its a handsome fella tho xDD
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olgasha on August 30, 2010, 02:17:03 AM

This is not Georgiy  whatsoever.

Thanks, Katenka. I knew I knew! I just felt that it couldn't be him!XD
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on August 30, 2010, 02:28:09 AM
I'm thinking about this one - is that really Georgiy??... Because I see no resemblance between this man and him, that hooked nooooose....:/  hmm,  but maybe I'm wrong...

(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/2406/georgimikhail.th.jpg) (http://img821.imageshack.us/i/georgimikhail.jpg/)


That's Duke Georgiy of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, son of GDss Ekaterina Mikhailovna.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on August 30, 2010, 02:30:15 AM
Maybe it's GD Nicholas Mikhailovich in his youth? He looks a little like him...
Look at this picture:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4092/dsc09951w.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4092/dsc09951w.jpg)



Those are Bimbo (elder boy) and Miche-Miche, aka Nikolai and Mikhail ))
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olgasha on August 30, 2010, 02:42:42 AM
Maybe it's GD Nicholas Mikhailovich in his youth? He looks a little like him...
Look at this picture:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4092/dsc09951w.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4092/dsc09951w.jpg)



Those are Bimbo (elder boy) and Miche-Miche, aka Nikolai and Mikhail ))

 I posted this picture of Bimbo with brother because Katenka tried to find out who is it on the previous picture.


Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 24, 2010, 02:04:49 PM
This portrait is currently on ebay. It says its an original portrait of Nicholas in 1909

(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/370/czr001.jpg) (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/czr001.jpg/)

 

It has a lot of "proofs" that this is an original portrait of the Tsar but  im not sure since this gent doesnt look that much as Nicholas (or it could be a painter who wasnt that accurate protraying people)

Since i cant post links to ebay `auction, if someone wants it, just tell me and i will send it via PM ;-D
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on September 24, 2010, 11:42:25 PM
This portrait is currently on ebay. It says its an original portrait of Nicholas in 1909


 

It has a lot of "proofs" that this is an original portrait of the Tsar but  im not sure since this gent doesnt look that much as Nicholas (or it could be a painter who wasnt that accurate protraying people)

Since i cant post links to ebay `auction, if someone wants it, just tell me and i will send it via PM ;-D


One more laugh...Nicholas...why not Kaiser Wilhelm II ?

That's not Nicholas and this is obvious.

Lately a "wise-head" placed for auctions on ebay the thumbnails from the ONB archive. What do he/she think about?...
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 25, 2010, 07:05:39 AM
It looks like another royal i cant remember but defo not Wilhelm II since he just got beard being an old man . In his younger days he just had the famous "W shaped" moustache.

I missed the one using thumbnails of the ONB..i will checkj it out!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 25, 2010, 03:29:02 PM
i was looking carefully the portrait and i found that the portrayed gent looks a lot like Archduke Josef Ferdinand of Austria-tuscany

Here a image of him  with Franz Ferdinand

(http://i46.tinypic.com/11qu81e.jpg)

Hi-res

http://i46.tinypic.com/11qu81e.jpg
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on September 25, 2010, 11:43:34 PM
the portrayed gent looks a lot like Archduke Josef Ferdinand of Austria-tuscany



Exactly! today I compared the photos of that Archduke and yes, it's him more likely.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on September 29, 2010, 09:39:19 PM
http://www.livadia.org/ana/1901-1906/10.jpg

Place and year please?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Condecontessa on September 30, 2010, 06:13:14 PM
Ropsha, year 1903.  :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 02, 2010, 05:01:58 PM
Hi! i found this image at the Musee Mc Cord museum as "Prince Romanoff". Does anyone knows him? Thanks in advanced!

(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6/ii255572.jpg) (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/ii255572.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: identification
Post by: ashanti01 on October 03, 2010, 11:25:42 PM
Can someone please help ID the children on the steps.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/xenia/050-1.jpg)

I can recognize Prince Andrei, Princess Irina, GD Tatiana and GD Olga but I can't make out the rest of the children shown. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Condecontessa on October 04, 2010, 06:50:45 PM
Ok, I see Princes Aage, Eric, and another one of Prince Waldemar's boys. Also, Princess Margaret of Denmark. The baby must be another of Xenia's sons and maybe Grand Duchess Maria?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on October 06, 2010, 02:20:18 AM
Here goes another image from that session, children are more clear to see.

http://nd03.jxs.cz/791/864/fc366e503f_61223730_o2.jpg
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on October 10, 2010, 05:51:46 PM
Thanks! Is this 1903 also?

http://www.livadia.org/trw/olga/1895-1903/19.jpg
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Condecontessa on October 11, 2010, 10:13:26 AM
 I can't tell if it's 1902 or 1903. In the Ropsha pic, Maria's hair is curly, but in that pic, it's pretty straight. One book says it was taken at Spala, another says Livadia. But I thought the imperial family only visited Livadia during 1901 when Nicholas II got sick from typhoid. I believe it's Spala because it's around the time period when Elizabeth of Hesse died in the hunting lodge.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on October 11, 2010, 01:37:15 PM
Looking at it closer, I'm thinking it's 1902. I also think it's at the Alexander Palace. You can tell because of the tree on the right.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on October 12, 2010, 02:22:39 PM
I have found these photos together with some photos featuring the imperial family. According to your knowledges can anybody tell me who is the lady featured ? I think she is Anna Vyrubova but I'm not sure. Thanks
Photo 1 anna young?
(http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/38729/2608130330105221653S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2608130330105221653pyhNep)
Photo 2 lean after disease?
(http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/17712/2581906640105221653S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2581906640105221653VpDEvG)
Photo 3
(http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/46646/2107319760105221653S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2107319760105221653Cuhcue)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on October 15, 2010, 08:33:51 AM
young Vyrubova with sister ?
(http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/3746/2814735830105221653S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2814735830105221653rxvvKC)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on October 15, 2010, 09:44:17 PM
Please, post pictures of the Russian Nobles at the proper subforum.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 16, 2010, 08:33:36 AM
i found this portrait as "prince Nicholas". it could be Tsarevich Nicholas Alexandrovich? (since i can see some resemblance) . Thanks in advanced!

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6333/princenikolaikrueger.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/princenikolaikrueger.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Rani on October 18, 2010, 01:00:38 PM
Wasn´t it typical for Royals to dress in historical costumes? I think it is him.


Title: Re: identification
Post by: Rani on October 18, 2010, 01:01:08 PM
(http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/260/013vu.jpg)

(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5618/1910v.jpg)

??

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olgasha on October 18, 2010, 02:00:23 PM
i found this portrait as "prince Nicholas". it could be Tsarevich Nicholas Alexandrovich? (since i can see some resemblance) . Thanks in advanced!

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6333/princenikolaikrueger.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/princenikolaikrueger.jpg/)

 

It a portrait of Prince Nikolai Saltykov by Franz Krüger.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 19, 2010, 05:38:59 AM
Thank you!!!

Rani, that lady has a familiar face but i cant remember where i ve seen her =(
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Rani on October 19, 2010, 01:18:04 PM
It´s okay. If you remember again who it is, you can tell me :)

Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on January 02, 2011, 05:15:25 PM
This image was online with the name "Grand Duke Dmitri Romanov", is Dmitri Konstantinovic ?
(http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/1636/2884678970105221653S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2884678970105221653PXzgUg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on January 02, 2011, 10:38:52 PM
This image was online with the name "Grand Duke Dmitri Romanov", is Dmitri Konstantinovic ?



No. The man is not a Romanov at all.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 27, 2011, 06:23:18 PM
i found this one as Nicholas II but i have my doubts

(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/258/mcr3600.jpg) (http://img515.imageshack.us/i/mcr3600.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Dru on January 27, 2011, 06:30:27 PM
Can anyone help me identify the young woman in this painting?  Thank you!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/5393852407_324c6a7618.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: gem_10 on January 28, 2011, 07:00:49 AM
She looks like GDss Alexandra Nikolaievna. :-\
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Dru on January 28, 2011, 12:46:39 PM
That's what I thought!  Thanks, Gem :)
Title: identification - photoalbum
Post by: fabnowa on February 19, 2011, 11:20:09 AM
hello. I have a photoalbum with many unknown persons. Can someone help?
( Narishkin - Ushakov - Serristori - Solms - Obolensky - Toll - Zenaida Yussupov - Leuchtenberg - Liechtenstein - Hesse-Darmstadt) - mayby:)

link:

http://www.abload.de/gallery.php?key=md36HXcg


thanks and greetings


Title: Re: identification - photoalbum
Post by: Olgasha on February 19, 2011, 12:16:06 PM
I recognize the child in the picture nr 11 - it's little Grand Duke Kiryl Vladimirovich Romanov.

In the picture nr 12 - I think it's Kiryl and his younger brother Boris Vladimirovich.

In the picture nr 40 - Zenaida Yussupov with her son Nikolai.
Title: Re: identification - photoalbum
Post by: fabnowa on February 19, 2011, 01:46:38 PM
thank you for the information:) I changed the number of the picture - before I saw the response. sorry:)

nr 11 = 042
nr 12 = 041
nr 40 = 014

greetings
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on February 19, 2011, 03:14:32 PM
029 - GDss Elena Vladimirovna
037 - Evgeniy of Leuchtenberg
016 - GD Ludwig IV of Hesse-Darmstadt
Title: Re: identification
Post by: ashanti01 on February 19, 2011, 06:12:35 PM
027-Countess Alexandra Andreievna Olsoufieff, nee Miklachevsky
Title: Re: identification
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on May 09, 2011, 02:23:48 AM
Can anyone tell me where this was taken?
(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9117/116p.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/116p.jpg/)
Thanks!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Katya_C on May 09, 2011, 02:39:30 AM
Can anyone tell me where this was taken?
(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9117/116p.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/116p.jpg/)
Thanks!

Grand Duchess Tatiana,  Friedberg, Denmark, August/Sept. 1910

Regards,

Katya C.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olgasha on May 09, 2011, 03:35:08 AM
It's Olga, not Tatiana.

I've thought it was taken in Darmstadt....
Title: Re: identification
Post by: voyageroffreedom on May 09, 2011, 04:01:59 AM
Me too, I've always seen it labeled in Darmstadt. 
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on August 02, 2011, 05:36:09 AM
in this image it is written   Michael Nicolaevitch     perhaps but it is an error? the seated man to right , in uniform, is perhaps Nikolai  Mikhailovitch ? and the man seated on the left ? the photo is of 1901 in Varna . thanks   

(http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/47984/2101769470105221653S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2101769470105221653mCPRry)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 02, 2011, 07:44:58 AM
the one sitting on the left  looks like Alexander Mikhailovich. im 99% sure its him. And the one you say it does look like "Miche miche"

 
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on August 02, 2011, 12:32:02 PM
the one sitting on the left  looks like Alexander Mikhailovich. im 99% sure its him. And the one you say it does look like "Miche miche"

 

Sorry, don't see a resemblance to Mikhail M. I think that's Alexander M. and his suite.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on August 08, 2011, 04:30:41 PM
It is said that it is a portrait of a member of Imperial family in 1848 by Vladimir Hau:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/who-2.jpg)

Anyone knows who could it be?Only Alexandra Iosifovna was married into the family in 1848 but don't know if it's her...any help?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on August 10, 2011, 02:08:00 PM
That could be one of GD Mikhail Pavlovitch's daughters...but in 1848 only Ekaterina was alive. And the girl doesn't resemble her at all.

 Your guess about Alexandra I. sounds quite possible. I see a slight resemblance to her..ahh, if we only had a photo or dagerrotype of Alexandra in the end of 1840s...The portraits with uncertain identity are always like that: "now you see, and now you don't"..)) somewhat "catch me if you can".
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 10, 2011, 02:09:54 PM
i also thought it could be a VERY flattering watercolour of Ekaterina Mikhailovna .
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on August 10, 2011, 06:12:14 PM
Thank you all for your answers.Don't know who could it be,although to me she doesn't look very much like Ekaterina,but who knows...

Here is one portrait from collection of Grand Duke Nicholas Konstantinovich(1850-1918) who married Nadzeda Dreyer,but also had several mistresses...

So,any idea who could it be?

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/who2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on August 10, 2011, 11:19:32 PM
Thank you all for your answers.Don't know who could it be,although to me she doesn't look very much like Ekaterina,but who knows...

Here is one portrait from collection of Grand Duke Nicholas Konstantinovich(1850-1918) who married Nadzeda Dreyer,but also had several mistresses...

So,any idea who could it be?




Looks very much like Alexandra Abaza, his mistress. After their affair she married a Demidov.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on August 11, 2011, 08:27:37 AM
Thank you...I first tried to compare a portrait with Nadezda but saw that there is no likeness!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on August 11, 2011, 12:26:39 PM
Thank you all for your answers.Don't know who could it be,although to me she doesn't look very much like Ekaterina,but who knows...

Here is one portrait from collection of Grand Duke Nicholas Konstantinovich(1850-1918) who married Nadzeda Dreyer,but also had several mistresses...

So,any idea who could it be?




Looks very much like Alexandra Abaza, his mistress. After their affair she married a Demidov.

Sorry, I meant to say that she married Count Sumarokov-Elston after her affair with GN Nikolai. Demidov was her 1st husband.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: rachel5a on January 06, 2012, 10:52:32 AM
who is this man, is it GD Dmitri???

(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff401/Barbara_Szoltysek/gd.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on January 07, 2012, 02:19:17 AM
Can anyone tell me where this was taken?
(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9117/116p.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/116p.jpg/)
Thanks!
Grand Duchess Tatiana,  Friedberg, Denmark, August/Sept. 1910

Friedberg is in Hesse - near Frankfurt. The Imperial Family would stay there for several weeks when the Empress took a cure in Bad Nauheim. The ancient castle Friedburg is a school today
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on February 11, 2012, 10:20:33 PM
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/who2-1.jpg)

Could this be Nadezda Annenkova?I have found her portrait and it's similar pose and hair style...

Here:

http://www.stadt-trostberg.de/trostberg/Bilderreihe/original/nadeshdaannenkova.jpg

I know it's not thread about Leuchtenbergs but just for comparation!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on February 11, 2012, 11:13:59 PM
I don't think that's Nadeshda.(though who knows with all those flattering painters)

 IN the portrait from your link she looks just like in her photos.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sunny on February 14, 2012, 01:06:59 AM
I found this photo on a russian blog; the woman on the left is obviously Vyribova but the one on thje right???
It was labelled as Buxhoeveden but i'm somewhat uncertain...

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9686/i150.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9686/i150.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on February 14, 2012, 10:11:36 AM
I don't think that's Nadeshda.(though who knows with all those flattering painters)

 IN the portrait from your link she looks just like in her photos.

Thank you for this...I was confused by the pose,hair and dress style!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on February 15, 2012, 03:36:23 PM
who is this man, is it GD Dmitri???
(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff401/Barbara_Szoltysek/gd.jpg)

This is definitely not GD Dmitry. It's one of the Suite's cavalry generals. It seems to me this is Gustaf Carlovich Mannerheim (later Marshall and President of Finland). At least from the back it's very resemble. Btw, when the photo is taken and where did you find it?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Rodney_G. on February 15, 2012, 03:59:33 PM
I found this photo on a russian blog; the woman on the left is obviously Vyribova but the one on thje right???
It was labelled as Buxhoeveden but i'm somewhat uncertain...

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9686/i150.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9686/i150.jpg)
Yes, the other is Sophie Bux.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on February 16, 2012, 12:15:18 AM
It's one of the Suite's cavalry generals. It seems to me this is Gustaf Carlovich Mannerheim (later Marshall and President of Finland). At least from the back it's very resemble. Btw, when the photo is taken and where did you find it?

He looks too young to be Mannerheim, who was a young man in the beginning of the 1890s. But the photos is of 1908-1912 years due to the style of the Empress' dress and hat.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sunny on February 16, 2012, 12:39:24 AM
I found this photo on a russian blog; the woman on the left is obviously Vyribova but the one on thje right???
It was labelled as Buxhoeveden but i'm somewhat uncertain...

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9686/i150.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9686/i150.jpg)
Yes, the other is Sophie Bux.

Thanks. It seemed to me but i wasn't sure.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on February 16, 2012, 07:17:41 AM
It's one of the Suite's cavalry generals. It seems to me this is Gustaf Carlovich Mannerheim (later Marshall and President of Finland). At least from the back it's very resemble. Btw, when the photo is taken and where did you find it?

He looks too young to be Mannerheim, who was a young man in the beginning of the 1890s. But the photos is of 1908-1912 years due to the style of the Empress' dress and hat.

That's why I asked the date;). 1908 and 1912- two big differences. If it's 1911-1912 - it could be Mannerheim (for example he as a commander of Guard's Uhlans Regiment, or later as a Suite's General visited Imperial family during one of the official meetings). If 1910 or early - it could not be him.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sunny on February 27, 2012, 04:13:38 AM
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/girlsdining.html (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/girlsdining.html)
I like this pic on AP main site very much, but...
The Gd in uniform is clearly Tatiana; next to her, undoubtly Maria. But who's the woman in front of us, semi - hidden by the cord?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Kalafrana on February 27, 2012, 07:58:58 AM
I don't think it can be Mannerheim. There's a certain resemblance, but Mannerheim was 6ft 2 and even allowing for the lady being on slightly higher ground and presumably wearing high heels, he doesn't look tall enough. Are there any indications who the lady is?

Ann
Title: Re: identification
Post by: gem_10 on March 01, 2012, 09:50:53 PM
This young girl looks like GD Alexandra Georgievna. It was done in 1884, when Alexandra was 14.
Any opinions will be appreciated. Thank you.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/lunarmaiden10/6fbfed027e41t.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on March 01, 2012, 11:17:48 PM
Sorry, I don't see any resemblance to Alexandra G.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: edubs31 on March 02, 2012, 08:18:03 AM
Yeah I don't either really. The only connection would be the 1884 date which would seem to coincide with her and the age of the girl portrayed here. Even still this unidentified portrait character looks a little younger than 13 or 14 to me...I was thinking more along this lines of 11 or 12.

I tried Google Goggles but little to my surprise it didn't turn up anything :-/
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on March 03, 2012, 04:39:40 AM
This photo was with other photos of the grand duchess  Ksenia Aleksandrovna , I think the princess Irina Yusupova but you recognize the man? thanks
(http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/49259/2244724880105221653S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2244724880105221653pwWlby)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on March 04, 2012, 06:18:54 AM
This photo was with other photos of the grand duchess  Ksenia Aleksandrovna , I think the princess Irina Yusupova but you recognize the man? thanks


That's not Princess Irina, no resemblance.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Jen_94 on March 04, 2012, 06:45:11 AM
Definitely not Irina. Not sure who the man is either.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on March 20, 2012, 11:17:08 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/lot_image_7775.jpg) at a Russian site, they said this was Ella? the jewels look familiar but the style is very old for Ella's era.  I doubt it her but its pretty.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on March 28, 2012, 03:17:20 PM
It looks like Empress Josephine...
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on April 15, 2012, 03:23:46 PM
Hi, I have acquired a lot  of photo for my collection. A photo was of grand duchess Ella and the others of the grand duke Alexei Alexandrovitch . I ask your aid in order to identify others. They are nearly sure that in some photos is the son of the grand duke Alexei, count Alexis Belevsky-Zhukhovsky .  I have read that it has lived in Germany, during infancy .
Photo 1 , alexis Belevsky ?photographer in Germany
http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/13927/2484478130105221653S600x600Q85.jpg

Photo 2 alexis Belevsky ? photographer in Germany
http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/31014/2710300440105221653S600x600Q85.jpg

Photo 3 . ? ?  photographer in Germany
http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/46636/2272536450105221653S600x600Q85.jpg

Photo 4 ? ? ?
http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/49385/2973560790105221653S500x500Q85.jpg

Photo 5 ?? I do not understand the signature
http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/48594/2548321480105221653S500x500Q85.jpg

Photo 6 the signature of Alexis  Belevsky?
http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/49219/2011267780105221653S500x500Q85.jpg
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on April 16, 2012, 01:04:51 AM
In the 1st three photos is definitely Count Alexei Belevskiy in his childhood and youth. The 4th photo is someone else, not a Romanov. The 5th is some lady with a name Veronica. In the 6th photo is a signature "Son, 1898"
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on April 16, 2012, 11:22:51 AM
Many thanks Svetabel, for your aid !!!!!  .  Send other photos for a possible identification, please . Perhaps persons connected to Count Alexei Belevskiy (or russian noble) .  I do not find online photo of the sons of the count Alexei, there are for a comparison?

photo 1 photographer in Athens
http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/47726/2134338140105221653S600x600Q85.jpg

photo 2 perhaps son of count ? photographer Baden Baden
http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/47837/2313360290105221653S600x600Q85.jpg

photo 3
http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/49386/2082229600105221653S600x600Q85.jpg

photo 4 military
 http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/13826/2061896040105221653S600x600Q85.jpg

photo 5
http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/48899/2809377600105221653S600x600Q85.jpg

photo 6
http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/50145/2031548800105221653S600x600Q85.jpg

Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on April 16, 2012, 12:30:40 PM
A boy in the 2nd photo has a slight resemblance to Count Alexei's son. Though I can't say that's him.

Others don't look like some of the Count Alexei's family.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on April 17, 2012, 09:00:59 AM
Thanks !!!!  I have found this  curious photo (task still the grand duke Alexei Alexandrovich) . perhaps a photomontage, but who is the other men? For you which it is the meaning of the image?

http://inlinethumb01.webshots.com/48448/2778591280105221653S600x600Q85.jpg
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on April 20, 2012, 05:17:51 AM
Thanks !!!!  I have found this  curious photo (task still the grand duke Alexei Alexandrovich) . perhaps a photomontage, but who is the other men? For you which it is the meaning of the image?

http://inlinethumb01.webshots.com/48448/2778591280105221653S600x600Q85.jpg

The first man is the czar Alexander III  and the third ,  it is the brother Alexei. But the second  man I do not recognize. Perhaps a minister or politician?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on April 20, 2012, 06:10:31 AM
Thanks !!!!  I have found this  curious photo (task still the grand duke Alexei Alexandrovich) . perhaps a photomontage, but who is the other men? For you which it is the meaning of the image?

http://inlinethumb01.webshots.com/48448/2778591280105221653S600x600Q85.jpg

The first man is the czar Alexander III  and the third ,  it is the brother Alexei. But the second  man I do not recognize. Perhaps a minister or politician?

The only Royal person in the photo is GD Alexei. Two others are some unknown men. That photomontage is probably from the trip of GD Alexei to the USA in the beginning of the 1870s when he was a sensation for the Americans.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: blessOTMA on April 25, 2012, 11:20:31 PM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/th_NickyErnieDickieGorgie.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/NickyErnieDickieGorgie.jpg)

I know this is a photo of Nicholas , Grand Duke Ernie and Victoria's two boys. But I have often wondered who the other young man is? I have seen other photos of him and I believe he had one leg shorter than the other. Is he one of Irene's boys?  Thank you
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sunny on April 26, 2012, 12:42:02 AM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/th_NickyErnieDickieGorgie.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/NickyErnieDickieGorgie.jpg)

I know this is a photo of Nicholas , Grand Duke Ernie and Victoria's two boys. But I have often wondered who the other young man is? I have seen other photos of him and I believe he had one leg shorter than the other. Is he one of Irene's boys?  Thank you

Of course the two boys in sailor suit are Louis (Dickie) and his elder brother (whose name i don't recall right now); the young man is far too old to be one of Ernie's children.
I don't know the year of the photo,but Dickie seems to be still a child of 10, 11, so around 1910 (?). The young man, IMHO, bears some resemblance with Dickie's brother, so could be one of Irene's boys.
 In 1910 Irene's living children were: Waldemar 21, and Sigsmund 14.
Maybe Waldemar, then? (i'm just trying...)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Kalafrana on April 26, 2012, 01:25:18 AM
I have seen this picture before. The young man was captioned as Sigismund of Prussia.

Ann
Title: Re: identification
Post by: blessOTMA on April 26, 2012, 10:30:42 AM
Thank you, Ann. That makes sense to me. He is also in the back ground of a well known photo of Olga and her ( their) Uncle Ernie on board the yacht. Thanks Sunny...Dickie's elder brother's name was George. He died in his 30's  from cancer. Of all the tragedies in his mother's life, she said that was the worst...which says alot about  the pain of losing a child 
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sunny on April 26, 2012, 12:58:47 PM
Thank you, Ann. That makes sense to me. He is also in the back ground of a well known photo of Olga and her ( their) Uncle Ernie on board the yacht. Thanks Sunny...Dickie's elder brother's name was George. He died in his 30's  from cancer. Of all the tragedies in his mother's life, she said that was the worst...which says alot about  the pain of losing a child 

As you know relatives abroad of NAOTMAA are not my cup of tea, LOL, so i have problems remembering all the names! Thanks :)
So it was Sigismund, the younger of Irene's sons Thanks so much Ann for the info!

I know something about irene's sons because they are a good examples of the randomness of genetics; 2 on 3 were haemophiliacs, one died in childhood and one died in his 50s (Sigismund)... while Waldemar was healhty. We are used to think that if a mother is haemophilia carrier, the son will be sick and will die young, but it's not always so...

Oh, sorry, i'm OT!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Kalafrana on April 26, 2012, 02:18:32 PM
Sunny

Of Irene's sons, it was Waldemar and Heinrich who were haemophiliacs. Sigismund was the healthy one.

George of Battenberg was born in 1892 and served in the Navy. He died from bone cancer in 1938, aged 46. Apparently, he was an extremely clever man - I read somewhere that he used to do calculus problems the way ordinarily intelligent people do crosswords. However, unlike his younger brother he was also very lazy.

Ann
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sunny on April 26, 2012, 02:26:26 PM
Sunny

Of Irene's sons, it was Waldemar and Heinrich who were haemophiliacs. Sigismund was the healthy one.

Oh sorry, i inverted them. Thanks for correcting! (i told it is not my cup of tea, didn't I?)

Title: Re: identification
Post by: Janet Ashton on April 28, 2012, 06:10:30 AM
I'm not sure from the discussion what everyone's ultimate conclusions are here, but the young man on the railings is Prince Waldemar, aged 20. The elder boy in the sailor suit is his brother Sigismund, aged 12, and the younger is their cousin, Louis "Dickie" Battenberg, aged 9. The photo was taken in the Hemmelmark/Kiel Canal area in 1909, as the Standart passed through on her way to Britain, and the families of Princess Irene and her siblings Ernie and Victoria, who were staying at Hemmelmark with their sister, came aboard.

George of Battenberg, then aged 16 and a naval cadet, would be very unlikely to have appeared wearing a sailor suit: in Russia, the imperial boys stayed in this dress until they were about 18, at least in earlier generations, but in Britain it was identified with early childhood and discarded much younger (e..g photos of Dickie aged 10 show he had graduated to a suit, and I have seen pictures of George similarly attired in 1903, when he was also ten.). Georgie isn't on any of these photos, and I assume it was term-time.


Modified to say: as far as I know, Waldemar didn't have one leg shorter than the other, as I have seen pictures of him standing quite straight years later. But in 1909 it is possible that his leg may have been bent from bleeding, IF he appears consistently posed this way. Not sure.  
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Kalafrana on April 30, 2012, 03:41:01 AM
In Britasin, boys seem to have stayed in sailor suits until about 8 only. Russian boys wore sailor suita a lot longer, and German boys somewhere in between. I recently saw a biography of Field Marshal von Mansteain, who was born in 1883. When he returned from cadet school aged 12, after his first term, he was most put out when his mother insisted that he get out of his uniform and put on a sailor suit.

Ann
Title: Re: identification
Post by: blessOTMA on April 30, 2012, 12:52:46 PM
Janet,  that's awesome, thank you! I saw a photo of him watching tennis in Finland and he had a much larger heel on one shoe than another.  A bent leg would explain that . I'll try to find it. Thanks again.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Janet Ashton on May 02, 2012, 07:04:52 AM
I saw a photo of him watching tennis in Finland and he had a much larger heel on one shoe than another.  A bent leg would explain that .

It would be interesting if you can - I shal look again at the pictures I have of him grown up to see if I cna detect anything either. A slightly shortened - or even slightly bent - leg could well be "collateral damage" from haemophilia, if problems after bleeds stopped the muscles etc developing properly. A withered limb of any kind would be particularly ironic considering whose nephew he was on his father's side, though if he had one I doubt it caused as many problems historically as the Kaiser's arm did!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: gem_10 on June 20, 2012, 10:50:31 PM
I found this portrait of a young lady which is located in one of the Tsar's palaces but there is no identification whatsoever about the identity of the lady. I found it among the portraits of the Russian empresses, but I am not sure who. My first thought was Elizabeth Alexeievna but she looks so different from her other portraits.

Here is the portrait:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/lunarmaiden10/6065520236_41d3727f5d_o.jpg)


And here is a painting of Tsar Alexander I's working study by Eduard Hau. One of the portraits on the right looks like the portrait from above.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/lunarmaiden10/eduardhauworkingstudyoftheemperor1.jpg)


Can anyone please establish the identity of the woman? Thank you.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marie Valerie on July 05, 2012, 08:11:41 AM
It could be Alexander I.'s favorite sister Grand Duchess Ekaterina Pavlovna (1788-1819) later Duchess of Oldenburg, and after that Queen of Württemberg.


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/b/b0/Meiningen-1979-kurt-tauber-063.jpg)
Ekaterina Pavlovna (1788-1819)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: gem_10 on July 05, 2012, 11:13:02 PM
Thank Marie Valerie! The lady had some of Catherine Pavlovna's features: her dark hair and large eyes. :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on August 22, 2012, 06:05:10 AM
This photo was with other photos of the grand duchess  Ksenia Aleksandrovna , I think the princess Irina Yusupova but you recognize the man? thanks
(http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/49259/2244724880105221653S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2244724880105221653pwWlby)

Today watching the documentary film, "Olga: The Last Grand Duchess", perhaps I seen the man in the photo. Do you know the identity of the man guest of the Empress in Hvidøre? Thanks

http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/49795/2560369600105221653S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/49768/2982220860105221653S600x600Q85.jpg
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Kalafrana on August 22, 2012, 06:27:07 AM
It's definitely not Nikolai Koulikovsky.



Ann
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on August 22, 2012, 12:03:35 PM
Nikolai Koulikovsky is to the left of GD Olga, the man of the photo is to the right of Olga but do not know his identity.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: blessOTMA on August 22, 2012, 07:14:07 PM
very interesting ...he has to be someone of importance to seated next to Minnie! He might belong with  the woman and old man also at the table
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Kalafrana on August 23, 2012, 04:15:26 AM
My feeling is that he is some sort of close family friend or retainer, but not a relation. Could he be Xenia's confidant Serge Dolgoruky - has anyone seen a picture of him?

Ann
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on August 23, 2012, 09:13:19 AM
My feeling is that he is some sort of close family friend or retainer, but not a relation. Could he be Xenia's confidant Serge Dolgoruky - has anyone seen a picture of him?

Ann
I have not seen photos of Serge Dolgoruky, but it is possible because the woman in the photo, probably named Irina ( later mistakenly identified as Irina Yusupova) . Serge Dolgoruky had married Irina Vassilievna Naryshkin (1879-1917) , Xenia friend. The daughter Olga was Viscountess Tredegar. Possible?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on August 25, 2012, 05:01:04 AM
My feeling is that he is some sort of close family friend or retainer, but not a relation. Could he be Xenia's confidant Serge Dolgoruky - has anyone seen a picture of him?

Ann
I have not seen photos of Serge Dolgoruky, but it is possible because the woman in the photo, probably named Irina ( later mistakenly identified as Irina Yusupova) . Serge Dolgoruky had married Irina Vassilievna Naryshkin (1879-1917) , Xenia friend. The daughter Olga was Viscountess Tredegar. Possible?
I have read that Irina was the mother ( from the first marriage ) of Maria Illarionovna Vorontsova-Dashkova ,wife of  Prince Nikita Alexandrovich son of GD Xenia.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: blessOTMA on October 03, 2012, 10:03:58 PM
I finally found the photos I spoke of up thread of who, I believe is Irene's son,  Prince Waldemar of Prussia in civilian clothes in Finland with the family. He has  a built up shoe heel  , sugesting one leg is shorter than the other at this time ( 1912?)

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/th_princewinfinland.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/princewinfinland.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/th_irenesboyinFinland.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/irenesboyinFinland.jpg)

I recognize the officer with him as someone I have seen in photos on the Standart
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 03, 2012, 10:41:15 PM
and that Prince Waldemar was a hemophiliac, just like his Little cousin Alexei Nikolaievich of Russia.  :(
Title: Re: identification
Post by: blessOTMA on October 03, 2012, 11:00:17 PM
Exactly , that's why his  shorter leg here is significant...like Alexi couldn't fully bend his leg for a year after the attack in Sala. Sadly two of Irene's three boys had the disease .
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Dru on December 23, 2012, 05:13:39 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8498/8302113442_c943df1bc8_b.jpg)

I found this beautiful painting of Christmas at the Winter Palace in the time of Nicholas I; I belive I recognize Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna and her children (based upon their ages, I'm guessing the painting was done sometime in the 1850s), but I was wondering if someone could help me idenitify anyone else depicted, especially the group of women in the foreground.  Download the image for full size, and thank you!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on December 29, 2012, 01:03:59 PM
I found this pic at a russian site, she looks a lot like Grand Duchess Elena Vladimirovna later Princess Nicholas of Greece, but not sure..what do you think?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/ISTHISELENA.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on December 29, 2012, 01:06:47 PM
No, that's no Elena V. I don't see a resemblance actually. Some noble girl, probably the 1903 ball is the occasion.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 03, 2013, 12:19:17 PM
pity, by the angle thought it was her and since this lady has a dark beauty appearance as well, but then again, she was married in 1903, and possibly if attended the ball, her costume would have been far more bejeweled and fitting to her rank.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: rachel5a on February 19, 2013, 04:22:50 AM
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd462/ladyisab/escanear0040.jpg)
can you identify them
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on February 19, 2013, 06:26:33 AM
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd462/ladyisab/escanear0040.jpg)
can you identify them

In front of a priest is GD Wladimir Kirillovitch, by his side is GD Dmitriy Pavlovitch.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on April 19, 2013, 04:01:23 PM
I've often seen the woman at the center of this photo identified as Isa Buxhoeveden, though it's never looked like her to me. Today on tumblr I saw her identified as Princess Alice of Battenburg. Which is correct?

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/th_isabigpairnastya.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/sarahelizabethii/media/Romanov/Standart/isabigpairnastya.jpg.html)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: tian79 on April 20, 2013, 10:15:36 AM
I've often seen the woman at the center of this photo identified as Isa Buxhoeveden, though it's never looked like her to me. Today on tumblr I saw her identified as Princess Alice of Battenburg. Which is correct?

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/th_isabigpairnastya.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/sarahelizabethii/media/Romanov/Standart/isabigpairnastya.jpg.html)

I think she is Olga Byutsova.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on April 20, 2013, 10:27:37 AM
I think she is Olga Byutsova.

I think you're probably right!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: mishaxenia on April 21, 2013, 12:41:33 PM
This man is identified as GD Andrei Vladimirovich , I have not found similar photos for comparison. Thanks

http://imageshack.us/a/img109/8724/2790021.jpg
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on April 21, 2013, 01:04:52 PM
This man is identified as GD Andrei Vladimirovich , I have not found similar photos for comparison. Thanks

http://imageshack.us/a/img109/8724/2790021.jpg

That's not him. Actually I even don't see any resemblance.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Rodney_G. on April 21, 2013, 06:51:50 PM
I've often seen the woman at the center of this photo identified as Isa Buxhoeveden, though it's never looked like her to me. Today on tumblr I saw her identified as Princess Alice of Battenburg. Which is correct?

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/th_isabigpairnastya.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/sarahelizabethii/media/Romanov/Standart/isabigpairnastya.jpg.html)

I think she is Olga Byutsova.

I may be a bit slow on the uptake here, but who exactly is Olga Byutsova?









Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on April 21, 2013, 08:40:03 PM
I've often seen the woman at the center of this photo identified as Isa Buxhoeveden, though it's never looked like her to me. Today on tumblr I saw her identified as Princess Alice of Battenburg. Which is correct?

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/th_isabigpairnastya.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/sarahelizabethii/media/Romanov/Standart/isabigpairnastya.jpg.html)

I think she is Olga Byutsova.

I may be a bit slow on the uptake here, but who exactly is Olga Byutsova?



She was a maid of honor to the empress. More about her here (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=294.0).
Title: Re: identification
Post by: blessOTMA on April 22, 2013, 11:19:14 PM
I have often wondered about this lady .  Clearly not Isa  as she's imo far more beautiful  ( sorry Isa!)
There is a photo of this lady looking over Olga's shoulder as Olga N. is  looking up while drawing ...a close up of both , She is striking
Title: Re: identification
Post by: TimM on April 23, 2013, 05:31:19 PM
Looks like we have a mystery lady here.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Sarushka on April 24, 2013, 08:22:57 AM
Here she is solo:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Friends/th_1-101.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/sarahelizabethii/media/Romanov/Friends/1-101.jpg.html)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on April 24, 2013, 11:32:46 AM
To me she looks a lot like Princess Zinaida Nikolaievna Yussupova in that photo (above by Sarushka).  But I know it’s not her.  Perhaps a noble woman as not many commoners would be around the Imperial Family. She is defiantly a Lady-in-waiting or Maid of Honor as we all can see however I don't even know whom she is.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Rodney_G. on April 25, 2013, 05:42:54 PM
I think Sarushka's link on reply 457 is pretty definitive, especially Nicola de Valeron's contribution.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on April 25, 2013, 05:51:43 PM
Ahh i didnt see that, Gotcha.  thanks Rodney for pointing that out. :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on September 17, 2013, 07:22:03 AM
I'm puzzled over this photo. GDss Olga,her husband Prince Petr and... ??? The caption says a young woman is a Princess of Oldenburg, sister of Prince Petr. As we know Petr was the only child of his parents. May be she is his cousin?


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/olgapetrprincess.jpg)

They are very informal and relaxed!

Just to answer my own question and surprise some experts :)

That's not Daria of Leuchtenberg who was never close to Olga or Petr. That's a dear childhood friend of GDss Olga and a cousin of Prince Petr, Sophie von Daehn, nee Sheremeteva, daughter of Countess Elena Stroganova and thus a granddaughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna.

Sophie was a friend of Olga and some other Romanovs, more info on her could be found here:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=6444.30 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=6444.30)

Recently I've done a research on Sophie's mother and Sophie itself, so came to the discovery who's that woman with Olga and Petr.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Kalafrana on September 17, 2013, 08:14:09 AM
Msge 454:

I think it is possibly Andrei. I haven't seen any pictures of him in profile, but he certainly had that sort of receding hairline and a moustache. There are pictures of him in civilian clothes after 1920 in Coryne Hall's 'Imperial Dancer', which could provide a comparison.

Ann
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 17, 2013, 09:57:09 AM
Im with Sveta. I dont think its Andrei. It doesnt look like him at all.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on September 17, 2013, 10:31:40 AM
Msge 454:

I think it is possibly Andrei. I haven't seen any pictures of him in profile, but he certainly had that sort of receding hairline and a moustache. There are pictures of him in civilian clothes after 1920 in Coryne Hall's 'Imperial Dancer', which could provide a comparison.

Ann

Andrei had more heavy features and larger eyes and...all in all that's not him, no any slight resemblance.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on September 27, 2013, 05:22:45 AM
It says:"БОРИС КУСТОДИЕВ. Портрет А.Д.Романовой. 1908"

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Romanova_zps2ad95a7b.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/Romanova_zps2ad95a7b.jpg.html)

Imperial family related or...?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on September 27, 2013, 05:24:06 AM
Portrait from the Romanov portraits exhibition...

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/who_zps3d2109d0.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/who_zps3d2109d0.jpg.html)

Looks a bit like Dagmar,but I am not sure...
Title: Re: identification
Post by: rudy3 on September 27, 2013, 09:02:34 AM
A brighter version:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img266/2425/sqmq.jpg)

Alexandra Dmitrievna Romanova, born Pokotilova, wife of vice-minister of Finance Petr Mikhajlovich Romanov (1851-1911)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on September 27, 2013, 05:51:34 PM
Thank you very much for solving this :-)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on October 02, 2013, 04:24:28 AM
Portrait from the Romanov portraits exhibition...

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/who_zps3d2109d0.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/who_zps3d2109d0.jpg.html)

Looks a bit like Dagmar,but I am not sure...

Any ideas about this portrait?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on October 02, 2013, 07:30:30 AM
 Mr.Paul Kulikovsky thinks that's a portrait of Queen Olga of Greece...hmmm,unlikely. Personally I think that's really a Dagmar's portrait but not a good one.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on October 03, 2013, 01:54:18 PM
Thank you for an answer.I would never thought to be a Romanov in the first place,but since it appeared in Romanov portrait gallery it seems it's one of them...
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Olga from St.P. on December 05, 2013, 08:03:49 AM
Portrait from the Romanov portraits exhibition...

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/who_zps3d2109d0.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/who_zps3d2109d0.jpg.html)

Looks a bit like Dagmar,but I am not sure...

Any ideas about this portrait?

Yes, it is Dagmar in 1869 ))
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cqfHRKMxvk0/Ungt0KIeenI/AAAAAAAAF5w/dPJVP3Ip144/s800/PB034705.JPG)

Link http://simplyzet.livejournal.com/29873.html (http://simplyzet.livejournal.com/29873.html)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 06, 2015, 03:04:09 AM
Not a great likeness though!

-----

I just need to confirm a suspicion of mine now. Royal Collection Trust owns the following two images (these I am linking were shared on tumblr by "carolathhabsburg", who is also a well-known member here)

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/38081cef746bc1e757f30ee28b339fa7/tumblr_nifwbtmV5V1qzjmo0o3_1280.jpg) (http://40.media.tumblr.com/f472f76c32011b9204b3a444a7088612/tumblr_nifwbtmV5V1qzjmo0o4_1280.jpg)

The Royal Collection Trust identified the boy in the first picture as Dmitri Konstantinovich, and the boy in the second as Vyacheslav Konstantinovich. Am I right to think they have it mixed up and it is actually quite the opposite?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on February 06, 2015, 08:56:21 AM



The Royal Collection Trust identified the boy in the first picture as Dmitri Konstantinovich, and the boy in the second as Vyacheslav Konstantinovich. Am I right to think they have it mixed up and it is actually quite the opposite?

You are right. The first picture is Viacheslav, next it Dmitriy.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 18, 2015, 07:52:56 AM
Thank you Svetabel. Here goes another Royal Collection question. They labelled the following image as Elizaveta Mavrikievna with her two eldest sons, but the lady does not look like Elizaveta to me?

(http://cdn.royalcollection.org.uk/cdn/farfuture/487BCqAShje5cNWcaUn8dhJHMn12yeAj4aHANleQmoY/mtime:1423620033/sites/royalcollection.org.uk/files/collection-online/4/a/513147-1423149062.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 18, 2015, 08:58:22 AM
She looks like their aunt Marie Anne of Schaumburg Lippe
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on February 19, 2015, 11:41:08 AM
Thank you Svetabel. Here goes another Royal Collection question. They labelled the following image as Elizaveta Mavrikievna with her two eldest sons, but the lady does not look like Elizaveta to me?



That's Princess Augusta. mother of Elizaveta M., so here she is with grandsons.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Bryndis on April 07, 2015, 05:24:16 PM

Which daughter is this?

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/tumblr_ndaqzaNPRi1r71ilwo1_1280_zpse8gxz4hn.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/tumblr_ndaqzaNPRi1r71ilwo1_1280_zpse8gxz4hn.jpg.html)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Rodney_G. on April 07, 2015, 10:38:49 PM
I think it's Marie.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Kassafrass on April 08, 2015, 06:52:08 AM
Struck me as Tatiana from afar but upon closer inspection I'm sure it's Maria.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Bryndis on August 05, 2015, 10:27:00 PM
Does anyone know the name of the woman wearing the kokoshnik and the pearls? She seems to be Tatiana's nanny

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/1899%20denmark2_zpscvjnxp5r.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/1899%20denmark2_zpscvjnxp5r.jpg.html) (http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/1899%20with%20elisabeta2_zpsiwvvmzex.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/1899%20with%20elisabeta2_zpsiwvvmzex.jpg.html) (http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/1899%20with%20elisabeta_zpsagho9plp.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/1899%20with%20elisabeta_zpsagho9plp.jpg.html)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on October 13, 2015, 01:08:38 PM
In this bit of the famous coronation painting of Alexander III and Maria Fyodorovna there are Olga Konstantinovna, Alexandra Iosifovna and littel Xenia Alexandrovna. I have problems identifying the two ladies on the left. Could the lady in the red court dress be Maria Pavlovna the Elder?

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/59/3f/e4/593fe417d42dafe63bee83466501643c.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 14, 2015, 10:01:38 AM
The lady in blue looks like Gdss Olga Feodorovna of Russia and the other one looks like Eugenie of Oldenburg, nee Eugenie Maxilianovna of Leuchtenberg :-D
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Svetabel on October 15, 2015, 07:09:25 AM
The lady in blue looks like Gdss Olga Feodorovna of Russia and the other one looks like Eugenie of Oldenburg, nee Eugenie Maxilianovna of Leuchtenberg :-D

Right.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Blanch on January 09, 2016, 05:10:56 PM
Hello everyone! I recently saw this picture of the costume ball that took place at the the Winter Palace in 1903, and the woman on the right (behind Alix) seems so familiar to me.

Does anybody know who she is?

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/90/77/c8/9077c81f4319aaca933419cd09db2c35.jpg)

Thanks in advance!! :)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 10, 2016, 03:49:30 AM
The little guide book for the 1903 costumes ball I haveč once downloded from the internet lists her as Princess Sofia Oberliani. Here is the original picture that was used in the composite:

(http://nd01.jxs.cz/922/905/919d8e8ce6_41880171_o2.jpg)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Rodney_G. on January 10, 2016, 01:24:10 PM
Her name was actually Sonia Orbeliani. A fine woman.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Blanch on January 10, 2016, 01:50:09 PM
Thanks very much to both!!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Rodney_G. on January 12, 2016, 12:58:23 AM
I originally meant to give "Sonia" as a correction to the listed "Sofia" above.I now think Sofia might be her formal given name, though written references to her , by those close to her or otherwise,   overwhelmingly have her as Sonia.Until seeing it in the 1903 Ball catalog I'd never seen her referred to as Sofia.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Blanch on January 13, 2016, 11:32:44 AM
Thank you for the clarification Rodney.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Inok Nikolai on January 17, 2016, 11:16:33 AM
I originally meant to give "Sonia" as a correction to the listed "Sofia" above.I now think Sofia might be her formal given name, though written references to her , by those close to her or otherwise,   overwhelmingly have her as Sonia.Until seeing it in the 1903 Ball catalog I'd never seen her referred to as Sofia.

Sonia/Sonya is one of the diminutive / affectionate forms from the name Sophia.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 27, 2016, 06:28:59 AM
I have come across this modern painting, on this website https://www.avito.ru/moskva/kollektsionirovanie/kartiny

(https://61.img.avito.st/1280x960/2239268061.jpg)

and I am ashamed to say I have no idea who the men behind the family are? White officers?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Kalafrana on February 27, 2016, 10:06:25 AM
Possibly. The man second from the right looks like Petr Wrangel, and the man on the extreme left could be Alexander Kolchak.

Ann
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Inok Nikolai on February 28, 2016, 04:37:13 PM
I have a question on this painting:
Ball at the Assembly Hall of the Nobility in St Petersburg on 23 February 1913
Kardovsky, Dmitry Nikolaevich

http://hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2www/descrPage.mac/descrPage?selLang=English&indexClass=PICTURE_EN&PID=JRR-5990&numView=1&ID_NUM=1&thumbFile=%2Ftmplobs%2FDXQI3A_236VX40KR4G6.jpg&embViewVer=last&comeFrom=quick&sorting=no&thumbId=6&numResults=1&tmCond=kardovsky&searchIndex=TAGFILEN&author=Kardovsky%2C%26%2332%3BDmitry%26%2332%3BNikolaevich
 
Who are the members of the imperial family seated and standing under the red canopy ?
Seated:
Grand Duchess Victoria Feodorovna - Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna - Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna - ? - ? - Empress Alexandra Feodorovna

Maybe some of you know who the other two women are !



Better late, than never!
Paul Gilbert featured it on the 100th anniversary, with commentary.
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1474612/ball-at-the-assembly-hall-of-the-nobility-st-petersburg-in-1913/

********

That painting is one of my favorites.

It's a very poignant one, though.

Nine years later, that same hall, the present Philharmonic, was the scene of the show-trial of the New-Martyr Benjamin, Metropolitan of Petrograd.

One of the photos is taken from almost the same angle. But look who's in the Royal Box!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Benjamin_of_Petrograd#/media/File:Proces_metropolity_weniamina.jpg



Title: Re: identification
Post by: Geniebeanie on August 27, 2016, 05:21:12 PM
Looks like Tatiana, Nicholas and Olga.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: PAGE on October 09, 2018, 02:44:08 AM
Does anyone know who the man in civilian costume is in this photo? He's the only one in civilian clothes, and it's neither Gilliard nor Gibbes, and I find it curious.

(https://aw-laurendet.tumblr.com/image/176122892995)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: PAGE on October 09, 2018, 02:45:26 AM
https://aw-laurendet.tumblr.com/image/176122892995 (https://aw-laurendet.tumblr.com/image/176122892995)

Sorry
Title: Re: identification
Post by: PAGE on October 09, 2018, 02:50:54 AM
He's here too, in the front row with a hat next to Anastasia

https://aw-laurendet.tumblr.com/image/176122889560 (https://aw-laurendet.tumblr.com/image/176122889560)

and here in the grass:

https://aw-laurendet.tumblr.com/image/176122891470 (https://aw-laurendet.tumblr.com/image/176122891470)
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Katya_C on October 09, 2018, 12:26:22 PM
Does anyone know who the man in civilian costume is in this photo? He's the only one in civilian clothes, and it's neither Gilliard nor Gibbes, and I find it curious.

(https://aw-laurendet.tumblr.com/image/176122892995)

He is Prince of Prussia Waldemar, cousin of the emperor's children ashore in Finland, ca. 1909.

Regards,
Katya
Title: Re: identification
Post by: PAGE on October 09, 2018, 04:04:52 PM
Perfect, thank you.
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on November 06, 2018, 03:32:48 PM
14 beautiful portraits on sale by Vladimir Hau:

https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/drawings-watercolors/vladimir-hau-a-leather-bound-album-entitled-6174476-details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=6174476&sid=4ca7afa0-17d3-4850-a216-b4fb0970e1e1

Can anyone identify them?
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Dru on November 07, 2018, 08:23:50 PM
14 beautiful portraits on sale by Vladimir Hau:

https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/drawings-watercolors/vladimir-hau-a-leather-bound-album-entitled-6174476-details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=6174476&sid=4ca7afa0-17d3-4850-a216-b4fb0970e1e1

Can anyone identify them?

I think I can help you with most of them; Vladimir Ivanovich Hau is my favorite portraitist! :)

1. Countess A.M. Vielgorskaya and Baroness Sophia Petrovna Fredericks
2. Julia Feodorovna Baronova
3. Julia Vasilievna Litke
4. Anna Alexeievna Okulova
5. Vera Arkadeevna Stolypina
6 ???
7. Fr. Vasili Borisovich Bazhanov (pretty sure he was confessor to the family of Nicholas I)
8. A.I. Sauerweid
9. F.A. Zhil
10. Andrei Beling
11. Theodore August von Grimm
12. ???
13. ???
14. Natalia Nikolaevna Kamenskaya (maid of honor to Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna) - this one is actually by Hau's half-brother Eduard Petrovich Hau.
 
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Marc on November 08, 2018, 06:14:59 AM
I am impressed with your knowledge! :-)

Thank you!
Title: Re: identification
Post by: Dru on November 12, 2018, 10:51:21 AM
I am impressed with your knowledge! :-)

Thank you!

Glad to be of help, Marc!