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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Yussupovs => Topic started by: Reed on May 12, 2004, 04:23:57 PM

Title: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Reed on May 12, 2004, 04:23:57 PM
Does anyone know what the Yousouppov palace on Moika is used for today?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on May 12, 2004, 05:20:01 PM
The palace is today the palace of culture and education of workers, but i heard that it was a kind of private organization. It´s opened as a museum, and you have to pay separately for the suite of rooms you want to see. From my own experience i think they are trying to make as much money as possible from the palace. I´ll never forget the last time i was there. Our guide had to face with an old lady(may be the subdirector?), beacause that old lady said we have to go out of the palace. There was a group of tourist that had paid an enormous sum for visiting the palace privately and everyone should be out at that time. I sat in Felix and Irina´s ballroom in the ground floor, in one of the typical golden chairs, and watched the scene(my friend even took a photo of them, while pretending to be very interested on the room...). It was threatical. At last our guide won the battle and told us we could see the so called "Rasputin´s rooms", but that we must  do it quickly. We four had to go down the narrow staircase at express speed(yes, the same staircase that Felix went up and down so many times that terrible night of December) and run through the room with the wax figures. It was crazy. I still laugh to this day when remembering that. Well,other than the funny story, the fact is that we felt as if they were getting rid of us!

I only hope that my awful english grammar did not spoil the understanding...
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Reed on May 12, 2004, 05:23:46 PM
Antonio,
Thank you, I understood what you wrote perfectly.  Another question I have - are there any of the treasures owned by the family still in the palace?  Or have most things been sent to different museums and/or sold?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on May 12, 2004, 05:32:19 PM
There are some things and furniture. I think they are trying, with different level of succes i must say, to fill the rooms. The Yusupov collection was sold some years after the revolution.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: DOMOVOII on May 14, 2004, 11:50:30 AM
Many years ago I read of Felix returning to his palace after the revolution to rescue paintings and other possesions, I believe he even liberated Marie Feodrovna's favourite portrait of Alexander III fom it's frame . On these expeditions Felix started :-/ concealing more treasures in newly created hidden rooms. Are these all accounted for, Could there still be artefacts held there?.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on May 14, 2004, 12:03:50 PM
In a winter night of 1919 a group of komsomols headed by Pavel Usanov searched the palace. They found during the following days several hidden places, all covered with tiled walls. There were porcelain services, jewells, gold, almost 400 paintings and even Straudivarius and Amati violins. The bolchevik Eduard Essen catalogued these works of art.
No on could know if other hidden treasures could still remain in the palace...
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 14, 2004, 12:39:58 PM
I would imagine, that with the subsequent renovations over the years, any remaining "secrets" would have been revealed.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Forum Admin on May 14, 2004, 01:39:13 PM
Felix actually did not take much with him from the Palace.  He cut 2 Rembrandt paintings out of their frames and took them. This was when he supervised the hiding of everything else. I am very certain that the Palace was gone over with a fine tooth comb, more than once over the years looking for anything else hidden. There is a famous photograph of all the silver found at the time Antonio mentioned, it is amazing to see. I'll post it if I can find it.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Martyn on May 24, 2004, 11:28:22 AM
Those two silver swans are quite simply staggering!  Whatever jewellery Felix managed to spirit out of Russia it would seem that, judging by this photograph, a huge quantity was left behind.  There also seem to be a large quantity of empty settings - could these be the old ones that held Irina's jewels before they were reset?  Irina's fabulous Cartier rock crystal and diamond wedding tiara is clearly visible in this photo as is the Chaumet sunburst tiara that was remounted for Irina, using existing jewellery, in 1914.  There is a beautiful photograph of Irina wearing this tiara on p 230 of "Timeless Tiaras Chaumet from 1804 to the Present". She wears this piece low on her brow in the very latest fashion, more like a bandeau than a coventional tiara.  Sadly, it would seem that Irina had little time to enjoy her exquisite jewels as most of them seem to be on the table in this photograph.  Perhaps it was smaller pieces that Felix managed to take with him; after all tiaras and huge silver swans are rather hard to conceal about one's person......
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Valmont on May 24, 2004, 12:03:17 PM
What about the gold and silver settings for a Thousand people that Felix talks about in "Lost Splendor", Does anyone know what happened to those?.Somehow, I expected to see more silver ansd Gold settings... Also, if  most of The Yussupov Jewells were left behind in Russia, Does this pictures  show all that was found? Somehow, I had the idea that a lot more was found...

Arturo Vega-Llausás
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Nick_Nicholson on May 24, 2004, 12:49:41 PM
The silver flatware was partially melted down, and partially sold at auction in small groups.  A set of this flatware came up for sale at Christie's a few months ago, and the Hillwood museum has several pieces.

Though Irina's rock crystal tiara may well be among the objects in this picture, the Sunburst tiara is not -- it was in Paris with Chaumet during the Revolution, and belonged to Princess Yusupov in he twenties and thirties; she was often photographed in it.  I don't know where it is now.

The tiara in the front pf the photo is one of the "Lover's knot" tiaras so popular in the mid-nineteenth century.  Queen ELizabeth's "Duchess of Cambridge" tiara is very similar.  The Yusupov version canbe seen in the WInerhalter portrait of Zinaida Yusupova's mother at the Hermitage.  


Nick
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Reed on May 25, 2004, 11:52:00 AM
I'm curious about the silver swans....do they still exist or were they melted down.....That is one large hunk of silver!!!
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Nick_Nicholson on May 25, 2004, 01:12:38 PM
I believe the famous silver swans by Faberge were melted down.  I have never seen or heard of references to them after that image.  Then again, they may be out there!  Keep your eyes peeled!

Best,

Nick
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Reed on May 25, 2004, 04:44:30 PM
Wouldn't that be something.....finding the silver swans in a junk shop!!!   :o
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Martyn on May 26, 2004, 08:54:29 AM
Nick

I am sure that you are probably correct in what you say about Irina's Chaumet tiara.  However the photo of the Bolsheviks examining the Youssoupov jewellery, which was published on the 25th July 1925, is reproduced as a double page in Geoffrey Munn's "Tiaras A History Of Splendour" (pp322-323).
Geoffrey Munn states quite authoritatively the following on p321.
"A total of twelve tiaras are still on their frames and others may have been dismantled to form necklaces.  Amongst them is the Cartier rock crystal tiara.  The Youssoupov lover's knot tiara is in the foreground and the Chaumet Sunburst tiara lies upside down, in the centre.  At the back is a delicate lattice work diadem set with large brilliant-cut diamonds, probably by Faberge.  To the right is the emerald and diamond stomacher designed by Chaumet for Princess Irina on her honeymoon in Paris in 1914."

The quality of the photograph that is reproduced in Geoffrey's book is the clearest reproduction that I have ever seen; the object that he identifies as the Chaumet tiara is virtually identical to the one that Irina is wearing low on her brow in the wonderful profile photo.  I would love to see the later photos of Irina wearing the tiara so that maybe his theory can be disproved - can you help?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Cart Blackwell on September 08, 2004, 10:14:03 AM
A portion of the Youssoupov Colllection was sold abroad. Greg King mentions in his book a law suit  Prince Felix lodged against the Soviet government  for an auction they planned to stage in Berlin in the 1920s.  A number of pieces from the family's collection were included, among them furnishings from Princess's Zeniade's private boudoir in St. Petersburg. Some of the family's finest paintings including works by Nicolas Poussin, Claude Lorraine, Boillly, Jean-Honore Fragonard, and Grueze can be found in the Pushkin Museum of Fine Art in Moscow. Other works by Poussin, Corot, Winterhalter, Lampi, Serov, and Fleming (latter three portraitists) can be found in the Hermitage and the Russian Museum respectively. A Boucher, a Wouwerman, and several Tiepolo's remained at Arkangeleskoie after it was converted to a museum. They are in storage the last time I heard. The Jewels and the furnishings were dispersed. Considering the famous longtime amour with France, their collection French furniture no doubt included works by the finest of the French ebenistes. Several pieces in Princess Zeniade's previously mentioned boudoir in the Moika Palace bore the monogram of Marie Antoinette. A rock crystal chandelier from the same room once graced the apartments of one of Mme. de Pompadour's chambres. The family also possessed a Service by Sevres made for one of the Dauphins that had a distinctive chocolate coloured ground.  I can harldly imagine the extent of their possessiions. I shall stop rambling
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Cart Blackwell on September 08, 2004, 10:21:11 AM
For a picture of Irina wearing the Chaumet sunburst tiara after the revolution see the Book BEAUTY IN EXILE. The tiara had to be, as Nick said, in Paris during the first World War. The photograph of Princess Irina wearing the tiara in the chapter on Irfe supports this for the Princess is dressed in one of her own designs which is clearly dates to the 1920s.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: pushkina on September 10, 2004, 06:37:23 AM
i remember reading somewhere that their palace (no idea which one) was being redecorated or prepared for them to move in, so for the interim, they lived with his parents.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on September 10, 2004, 09:52:28 AM
Felix and Irina decided to live in some rooms(even with their own ballroom) of the ground at the Moika palace. Those were the rooms that were being redecorated. They chose the neoclassical style but the work wasn´t finished at the time of the revolution. After that the artists tried to complete the work following their original pre revolutionary designs.

I too wonder why they did not choose another residence. Perhaps they considered Nevsky´s excesive traffic unconvenient. Moika canal was i think a more comfortable place for living. Liteiny mansion was really beautiful but a little gloomy, with most of the rooms looking to the inner courtyard.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Martyn on September 10, 2004, 09:57:47 AM
Well this is an interesting situation.  I have looked at the photo that is reproduced in Geoffrey Munn's book and it very much like looks like the tiara in question is amongst the jewellery.
I wonder how we can find out for sure?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Lisa on September 10, 2004, 11:03:49 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/File0010.jpg)

Irina in 1924( From Beauty in exile)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/1924ter.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/1924bis.jpg)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on September 11, 2004, 12:45:31 PM
Thanks for posting those wonderful views!

Now, i must confess that i´ve never been a great admirer of this palace. I mean, it´s so famous and yet i find other Petersburg palaces much more elegant and charming. IMHO the only really impressive or especially beautiful rooms are the Formal dinning room, the theater, ground floor music room, moorish room and a couple of Zenaide´s rooms(certainly not her bedroom). The library, for example is quite poor in its decoration.

Also, they are constantly adding poor quality new tapestries and little carpets that do not fit at all with the size of the rooms(not to tell about the curtains, just see those in Irina´s silver boudoir...). Anyway, it´s a private building and they can do as they like...
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on September 11, 2004, 02:17:01 PM
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Also, they are constantly adding poor quality new tapestries and little carpets that do not fit at all with the size of the rooms(not to tell about the curtains, just see those in Irina´s silver boudoir...). Anyway, it´s a private building and they can do as they like...

i tend to agree with you about the present state of décor.    but i think it was done in much better taste "back in the day";  besides, think about the resources they had to draw from.   i think the old b&w photos sort of show the elegantly traditional hand that had originally decorated it.    

but i must admit, part of the reason i'm so fascinated with this building, in particular, are it's associations with the family that lived there.   i've never seen it in person, and i'm afraid i would probably be disappointed if i did, but until then, it'll likely remain my favorite.



Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Annie on September 11, 2004, 03:42:09 PM
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but i must admit, part of the reason i'm so fascinated with this building, in particular, are it's associations with the family that lived there.   i've never seen it in person, and i'm afraid i would probably be disappointed if i did, but until then, it'll likely remain my favorite.




Me too. I bet the family would be ghastly appalled at the decortating of today ;)

Thank you for posting all the Yussoupov pics!

Did anyone ever hear of the ball reinactment at the Moika? It costs $3000. They loan you the period costume (1913) and you get the ball and dinner. It's supposed to be authentic as it would have been in those last days before it all fell apart. The chef is said to talk about Felix and his antics as a kid. I saw this once in a travel/tour guide at the library but can't find it now.


Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on September 13, 2004, 10:55:27 AM
first-off, both photos were taken at the same sitting (notice the wrap, it's obviously the same).   that having been said, i tend to think the photos were taken during the 1920's, given the style of her clothes.    the style of the dress & the way she's wearing her wrap are definitively 'flapper' in style.     it's very possible that the tiara she's wearing was borrowed from one of the many jewellers that Feliks & Zenaida had done so much business with over the years....it may have been part of one of the "deals" Feliks made with Cartier when he would occasionally deposit/pawn some their extremely valuable jewellery with them.   or it may have been borrowed from friends...


secondly, a case can be made for 2 different tiaras.   in the photo of the Yusupov treasures spread-out on the table, it appears that the central stone in that one is clear or, at least, very light or pale.....
whereas, the one Irina is wearing in the photos appears to contain a dark stone in the center.

what do y'all think?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Martyn on September 18, 2004, 10:28:47 AM
Well, good points Brian and thanks for displaying the photos so that the tiara in the Moika cache can be seen more clearly.
You are absolutely right about the photos of Irina; her dress and coat are very much after 1920 and therefore could not have been taken say, during their honeymoon, which is when they are presumed to have collected Irina's reset jewels.
Having said that, it is documented that the Chaumet tiara was comprised entirely of diamonds and contained no central dark stone; I think that you have to agree that the jewel in both photos is virtually identical in style.  Perhaps a case may be made for Chaumet having made a copy, either at the same time as the original or perhaps a little later.  
This seems to have been common practise for jewellers; after all Cartier took the opportunity to make copies of Miechen's diamond and pearl circle tiara (now owned by QE 2) when she left it with them to be cleaned.
According to Diana Scarisbrick's "Timeless Tiaras" Chaumet have a huge archive that contains "37,000 glass negatives, 80,000 drawings and as many photographs, and replicas in nickel silver of the 1,500 tiaras made over the last two hundred years."  Thus a copy of the mount of Irina's tiara would have been in the archive and it would have been easy enough for Chaumet to make another identical tiara if required.  Equally, a copy could have been made using paste substitutes; there are therefore arguments to support the existence of two tiaras that fit the description.
Interestingly, this particular jewel was not unique; Geoffrey Munn's book "Tiaras Past and Present" illustrates a very similar platinum sunburst tiara made by Cartier in 1927 for Countess Tysckiewicz, comprising alternating bands of brilliant and rose cut diamonds, with a central element en tremblant set with a star sapphire.  Apparently several other versions of this jewel were made by other Parisian jewellers at this time.
Interestingly, Chaumet also remade for Irina a ruby and diamond garland-style tiara, a bandeau centred on a huge emerald and an aigrette set with the Polar Star diamond, all from existing Yusupov parures and at the same time as the sunburst tiara.  I wonder if these can be found in the photo of the Moika cache?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on September 18, 2004, 09:03:47 PM
you're probably right, martyn.    

given the time-frame for each set of photos (the treasure-trove spread out on the table & the "studio shots" of Irina used in Irfé adverts, it HAS to be 2 different tiaras, doesn't it?    

even when one factors in the sale of the vartious properties (the chateau de Kériolet, the London apartment & the villa Tatiana on Lake Geneva), & the MGM award, Feliks was still continuously selling and/or pawning jewelry.....   he & Irina still lived on a relatively grand scale & they continued to support many people & a great many charities.

i guess what i'm getting at is, would they have had the means to actually buy new jewelry?    
i think martyn's suggestion about a copy made of paste seems realistic....
but so does the idea of having borrowed one from someone else --- the only problem i can think of with that idea is this:
would Irina actually have borrowed & worn a piece like the sunburst tiara, knowing that it would probably be recognised by many as being the property of someone else?    would Feliks have allowed that?   they were, after all, trying to promote a business.    btw, wasn't most, or all, of their money tied-up in that?  

but they were successful for a while, so they may have actually had the money for new jewelry -- maybe they considered it a "business expense"?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Martyn on October 04, 2004, 12:21:00 PM
I don't imagine that this issue of the Chaumet tiara will ever be resolved.  However I took the liberty of contacting Geoffrey Munn, author of 'Tiaras A History Of Splendour', and possibly the leading expert on this particular item of jewellery.  He very kindly replied by both letter and telephone to my enquiry and has permitted me to quote from this letter.  He writes:
'This debate has rumbled on for a while and the truth is that I do not know the answer.  I might well be wrong in identifying that on plate 290 as the Chaumet tiara, however there is circumstantial evidence to suggest that they are one and the same.  Just below it and to the right is the emerald and diamond stomacher made by Chaumet for Princess Youssoupova which was set with dramatically valuable emeralds and diamonds.  being flexible it would be easy to transport and it is difficult to imagine that the Youssoupovs would have chosen to carry away the more rigid three dimensional Chaumet tiara when they were evidently obliged to leave the (more valuable?) stomacher behind.  I don't suppose that we will ever know the answer but your suggestion that the Youssoupovs had a replica made is the most credible so far.'
I think that Geoffrey has made a valid point.  However I think that the Chaumet tiara was also a fairly flexible object; Irina is photographed wearing it low on her brow in the 1920's when many fashionable women were struggling with ancestral tiaras that would not easily adapt to this change in fashion (I'm thinking of the photo of Nada Milford Haven and her Bolin tiara at the State Opening of Parliament in the twenties).  So why leave two fairly felxible items that in theory could have been taken away with them?
We do know that Felix took some jewellery with him; it is not beyond the bounds of belief that the Chaumet tiara could have been remade in Paris, either with, or in exchange for jewellery that Felix had brought out of Russia.  I don't suppose we will ever know how or what he chose to take. However I think that it is fairly certain that virtually nothing remains of Irina's amazing jewels.
I would like to thank Geoffrey Munn for helping us with this discussion;it was most gratifying that he took the trouble to answer my enquiry and offer his most learned opinion.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: kenneth_elliott on October 04, 2004, 08:30:03 PM
Does anyone have an image of the "Youssoupov Egg"', the clock in the Sandoz collection? It seems to be a bit of a recluse when it comes to having it picture take.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Luke on October 04, 2004, 10:58:45 PM
It appears that sunburst tiaras (aka sun tiaras) were made by Cartier, Chaumet, and Vever in several versions.  There is actually a silent movie of Cleopatra filmed in the 20's where the lead character is wearing a sunburst tiara as well.  In his book, Cartier: Jeweller's Extraordinaire, author Hans Nadelhoffer devotes a section to sunburst tiaras.  He states: "A Russian photograph taken in 1914 of the wedding presents of Princess Youssoupov clearly shows the family's sun tiara."  He identifies owners of the sunburst tiaras to include J.P Morgan, and the Countess Suffolk.  He states that "the last sun tiara was ordered in 1926 by the daughter of Mrs. Cavendish-Bentwick."  This may or may not be the case -- Munn states that the sun tiara made by Cartier for Count Tysckiewicz is dated 1921,  others put the date at 1927 (V&A Exhibit).  Nadelhoffer notes that the sunburst tiaras were first created in the 19th century and even exhibited at an 1889 World Fair by Vever.  

The photograph of the Bolsheviks cataloging the Youssoupov treasures was published in July of 1925, although that does not necessarily reflect when it was actually taken.  Indeed it appears that discovery of the jewels occurred in 1919 by Usunov and his  comrades.  The photo of Princess Irene wearing a sun tiara is clearly from the 20's and has been identified as being taken in 1924.

Against that background, and seeing as the design of the sun tiara was not unique, it is possible:

1.  That Zenaide Yussoupov already owned a sun tiara and Irene wanted one like her mother in laws.  She ordered it from Chaumet and it stayed there until after the Revolution.  Thus the Bolshevik photo documents Zenaide's tiara and not Irene's;
2.  That Irene's tiara was seized by the Bolvsheviks as the 1924 photo strongly suggests and that she had obtained a duplicate, either by purchasing a new one, being gifted one, or borrowing one.  The fact that there was a 1914 photo of the wedding jewels suggests that the tiara was taken back to St. Petersburg from Chaumet Paris.
3.  That, somehow, Irene purchased her tiara from the Bolsheviks either through back channels or through the guise of a third party. (Highly unlikely)
 

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 18, 2004, 02:19:22 PM
here are some of the private apartments of the Yusupov palace that, for some silly reason, visitors to palace never seem to take photos of.   or if they do, they never feel compelled to share[/i] them.....


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SOME OF THE ELDER FELIKS' APARTMENTS
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the "Musical Drawing Room"
(this may be the room the younger Feliks referred to when he mentioned a room where the instruments sat in silence...dusty & unused.    however, this older image looks more like a salon, than a music room to me.)


a corner of the same room, today.
(the elder Feliks' apartments were situated on the ground floor & faced  the Moika canal.   they communicated with his wife's apartments by means of a wooden staircase that went directly from his apartments to hers.)
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the Library

another view of the Library
(some of the Billiard Room's decoration can just be seen through the
doorway)

Billiard Room
 
close-up of the chairs in the Billiard Room
(note the pool-sticks {queus?} in the corner)


the 'Buffet'
(intended as a small family dining room)

another view of the 'Buffet'
(i believe it's used as gift-shop these days)

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ROOMS FROM THE APARTMENTS OF FELIKS & IRINA
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the Large Drawing Room
(in it's present form)


the Large Drawing Room
(as it was before the revolution)


the Lesser Ballroom
(note the yellow marble columns described in Feliks' book LOST SPLENDOR.)


Irina's Silver Boudoir

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APARTMENT BELONGING TO ZENAîDA NIKOLAEVNA
==========================================

a corner of Zenaîda's bedroom


the Porcelain Boudior


Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Annie on October 18, 2004, 07:16:38 PM
Thanks, great pics!

When you reach your limit on photobucket, if you pay them as little as a $10 donation they will extend your limit. I know some people on another board that did that. Also you could always start another free account ;) Please don't delete your wonderful pics  :'(
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Mike on February 03, 2005, 08:47:26 AM
The Wandering Camera site has just published four albums of the palace interiors. The texts are in Russian, but even without them the photos are worth seeing.

The 1st album (http://www.enlight.ru/camera/330/index.html). To continue, click on the right arrow at the page bottom.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: ashanti01 on February 03, 2005, 12:28:33 PM
THANKS FOR POSTING THAT WONDERFUL LINK!!!!
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Arleen on February 03, 2005, 02:57:09 PM
I've just spent hours on the Waundering Camera Web Site....after playing with it for a while I got it in English....tho I couldn't say HOW. It is THE MOST MARVELOUS picture site I have ever seen.  Mike you are so sweet to post it!!            Arleen
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: jolie on February 03, 2005, 03:17:15 PM
Mike,

WOW!

Beautiful pics.

I'm trying to get the exact color of pink in the last picture for my dining room.   The colors are stunning in these pics.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Zenaida1861 on February 03, 2005, 03:58:12 PM
BEAUTIFUL!  :o
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Johanna on February 07, 2005, 03:51:51 AM
Thank you, Mike.  A real treasure. This was the first time I've seen the Yusupov private theatre. Amazing! Always lovely to see these buildings though they lack most of the original furniture and paintings. But this is the case with nearly all the historical stuff. We see fragments of past taken from their surroundings.

For others as slow as me. It took a minute to figure it out where this site starts. So here's the link to the main page in English. Translated pages are marked with yellow:
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/index_e.htm

Any translators here? What is this in the Yusupov palace in pics 7-11? A Mauritanian Bath? 'Mavritanskaja' was the only word I think I understand. Where did the idea come from? It looks so wonderfully decorative place!
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/332/index.html
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Mike on February 07, 2005, 10:38:06 AM
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What is this in the Yusupov palace in pics 7-11? A Mauritanian Bath?

It's the Moorish reception room. The basin in the middle is a fountain! The room's original purpose was to provide the prince with a place where to greet and entertain his Turkish and other Moslem guests. The room could be entered directly from the enbankment, thus making it unnessesary for the host to meet such guests at the main entrance as the Oriental etiquette would require.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Daniel Briere on February 07, 2005, 09:50:32 PM
Johanna, thanks for the link to the Yusupov Palace Moorish Room photos. They bring back fond memories of my visit to the Palace. This room was done in the Moorish style, much in vogue at the time. Almost all palaces and mansions in St. Petersburg had a room done in the same style (either smoking rooms, boudoirs, studys or bathrooms) : I have seen a few of them. Some others have been destroyed, such as the wife of Nicholas I’s Bathroom in the Winter Palace and, of course, Nicholas II’s Bathroom at the AP.

Adding to what Mike wrote, the room was designed by Ipolit Monighetti in the 1860s (and apparently later modified by architect Nicholas Stepanov in the 1890s). According to Felix Yusupov’s memoirs, the Moorish Room, located next to his father’s Study,  was an exact replica of a room of the Alhambra Palace in Spain. As Greg King wrote (in his biography of Felix) : « Divans and tables of sandalwood, along with plush pillows and water pipes, lay scattered across the inlaid marble and mosaic floor. (…) In the center of the room stood an onyx fountain which eight jets of water played at the touch of a switch. Around the cornice of the room, carved into marble and onyx panels, were inscriptions from the Koran ». With all the furnishings it must have looked quite exotic! But not entirely inappropriate, as the Yusupov ancesters were Muslim and – as Felix recalls in his memoirs – even claimed to be direct descendants of Prophet Mohammed’s nephew Ali… no less!

But when I saw the room, I didn’t think about them, but rather about their last male descendant, Felix, who apparently had a lot of fun in this room! In his memoirs he writes he liked this room a lot and that, when his father was away, he gathered all their Oriental looking servants there and, dressed up in some fancy costume, he played the role of an Oriental despot, surrounded by his slave servants :P . Alas, one day, as Greg King wrote (quoting him again here, which will spare me of having to translate Felix’s own recollections) : « Felix’s father burst into the Moorish Room at the Moika Palace only to find his son standing before the fountain dressed in a makeshift sultan costume and wearing his mother’s jewels, a half-naked Arab servant lying prone at his feet while the boy brandished a long ceremonial dagger  :o . » Felix adds that his father, failing to recognize his talent for theatrics, made a terrible scene  >:(  and ordered the whole group to get the hell out of there! Which prompted the sultan and his court to flee in a panic. It was the last the Moorish Room would see of Felix’s antics as his father barred him from coming back! :D
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Mia on February 09, 2005, 03:44:50 AM
(It's me Johanna. Changed my name...)

Thank you, Daniel and Mike. Ok, Moorish room - and more precisely, Moorish reception room. I had forgot all about that. My thoughts just flew, wrong, to the wonderful film 'Hamam, Turkish Bath'.

It's been a while since I read the memoires but surely I remember this 'play' of Felix and how his father got angry. He must have been very puzzled most of the time of his son's ideas. I just thought the whole incident happened in his father's rooms.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: ChristineM on February 09, 2005, 02:16:17 PM
Thank you Mike and Mia for the link to this wonderful website.   Amidst the all magnficent splendours of the Yusupov Palace on the Moika, and much though I love the theatre, my favourite is the Moorish Room.   Its atmosphere is quite extraordinary.

The, fairly-recently appointed, Director of the Yusupov Palace is a friend of mine.   A very beautiful lady of refined taste and style, I would not be surprised to discover that she is behind the introduction of this website.  

By coincidence, her name is Irina.

tsaria
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on February 09, 2005, 02:38:26 PM
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The, fairly-recently appointed, Director of the Yusupov Palace is a friend of mine.   A very beautiful lady of refined taste and style, I would not be surprised to discover that she is behind the introduction of this website.



i know this is a long-shot, but here goes:

i don't suppose you could impose upon your friend's kindness, and ask her about floor plans for this most magnificent building.    i can't speak for anyone else, but both of you would have my undying gratitude....and, i imaging, that of several others.    

in the past, i've seen i rather vague plan of the main (1st fl), but i've been searching for years for the ground floor (the elder Feliks' rooms -- inc the library & moorish room) & the entresol (the rooms of the Irina & the younger Feliks).    

i realize that others may not find floor plans as significantly absorbing as i do, but i also know i'm not alone  ;)

do you think it's a possibility?    i wouldn't expect actual blue-prints or anything as potentially dangerous as that.....  i would be hoping for something more like semi-detailed line drawings, like most of the others we see here on this forum.

(my fingers are crossed..... ;D )
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: gleb on February 10, 2005, 02:46:58 AM
Hello Tsaria,

Please try to obtain a good floor plan.
I'd be very grateful too!

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Arleen on February 10, 2005, 02:41:34 PM
Hi Tsaria, I too would love to see the floorplan....or ANYTHING at all your friend could contribute to this site and thank her very much.
..Arleen
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: ChristineM on February 10, 2005, 05:31:14 PM
I'll do my best, but it will probably be necessary to wait until one of us is in St Petersburg  before I can obtain them.  

I imagine the floor plans will be rather vast - they will be the architectural plans, but I will ask if there are others which can be made available.

tsaria
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on February 10, 2005, 07:00:45 PM
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I'll do my best, but it will probably be necessary to wait until one of us is in St Petersburg  before I can obtain them.  

I imagine the floor plans will be rather vast - they will be the architectural plans, but I will ask if there are others which can be made available.

tsaria




hey -- if architectural plans is all she has and she's willing to share.....i'd be doing some sort of 'happy-dance' for the next year or two.   anything would be wonderful.    and much, MUCH appreciated!
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Arleen on March 19, 2005, 08:34:38 PM
Are Felix's apartments on the left side in this picture??  Could anyone point out the location of the basement murder room??  I can hardly wait for the floorplan as I have no idea where anything is.
Any help would be much appreciated.      ..Arleen
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on March 20, 2005, 08:44:34 AM
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Are Felix's apartments on the left side in this picture??  Could anyone point out the location of the basement murder room??  I can hardly wait for the floorplan as I have no idea where anything is.
Any help would be much appreciated.      ..Arleen


okay, here goes:

this is the placement, as far as i can determine --
on the ground-floor level (street level) of the left side, do you see that big blank space?   well, at one point in time (actually, it seems to come & go & come &...) there was another entry located there.    
i believe this was the "new private entrance" Feliks had built during his renovations for himself & Irina.

***NOTE: see bottom of post re: the following plan


as for the "basement murder room",

if memory serves, Feliks mentioned that the eye-level windows looked out onto the Moika canal (i could be mistaken about this.....i know he said his father's rooms also looked out onto the Moika).   but if that is the case (facing the Moika), the room would pretty-much have to be reached via one of these:


one of the cellar tunnels, as well as the infamous staircase w/ the door -- midway between the entrsol & the cellar -- that opened onto the equally infamous courtyard.    for that to be the case, one of the "decorative" tunnels would have to be part of the journey from Feliks' apartments & the "murder room".    

this:


is the main (rear) courtyard Feliks was referring to when he described Rasputin attempted "escape".

(from above):
NOTE:  the plan i posted at the top of this page is my rather feeble attempt at the ground floor of the palace.    the only parts of it that i'm relatively sure i got correct are the central hall, & the placement of the rooms on either side & the main staircase.
   i started by trying to figure-out the sequence of rooms  by using the various descriptions available (ie: LOST SPLENDOUR & the sequence the guidebooks use to describe & illustrate the rooms.    however, having never visited the actual building, i keept getting completely turned around & confused....(i suspect the guidebooks skip-around somewhat -- but that may just be my frustration talking!).    in any case, here is the very crude plan of the 1st floor i began with (btw, when i refer to the "1st floor", i'm speaking of the european "1st floor"; which is the "2nd floor" here in america):


ALSO, THE PLAN AT THE TOP OF THIS PAGE IS NOT, BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION, ACCURATE!!!   as i stated previously, the only parts that even come close to being right, are the central hall & staircase....and, possibly, the courtyard wall & gates.     IF YOU HAVE VISITED THE PALACE & CAN RECALL ANY OF THE CONFIGURATIONS, SEQUENCE OR PLACEMENT, I WELCOME ANY AND ALL INFO THAT MAY HELP ME CORRECT THE MANY BLANK AREAS & OTHER ERRORS RE: THE GROUND FLOOR PLAN!

thanks.   :)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Arleen on March 20, 2005, 10:31:45 AM
Brian, you are so WONDERFUL!!  Thank you for all of this info, it is just what I need.  I've really become interested in the DETAILS of
Felix's palace after reading Greg Kings book about him for the 3rd time recently. (I love the book!) and i find myself sitting around visualizing. or trying to, just where everything was and what it looked like thanks to the lovely pictures posted on this thread (and others).  But I never could figure out where the murder room was, and the winding staircase, and the courtyard.....the palace faces the Moika Canal and across from it was the police station that heard gunshots....etc.  This diagram of Felix and Irina's rooms has helped, plus the pictures are so great!!  Arn't those tunnels the most wonderful looking things??  How I would love to get lost in the Palace for about 24 hours and be able to wander everywhere.      ..Arleen
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Platon on April 04, 2005, 11:04:00 AM
Hi guys,

Even though I haven't been able to view the plans posted above (PC - dunno what's wrong with it)....

Have seen a book on palaces in St Petersburg, which does have an actual floorplan of the principal level (1st floor)....

Can't remember the title of the book, however will be able to get title this week some time and will post it for u guys if u like......

Platon
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Richard_Cullen on April 04, 2005, 02:30:40 PM
Hi,

I have copies of the scene of crimes photographs - Felix's entrance was at the side of the Palace - where the children's playgound is now.  It is hard to visualise as there were 6' foot high railings along the front of the yard, which is now the playground.  The railings come up to the height of the windows.

the windows in the basement room are tiny, above head height.

Closest to the Palace in the yard were a set of gates, then a length of railings and then the main gate with the gate keepers hut.

When you read the files from GARF and compare with the photographs you can fit the pieces together.

Although I know the passages these do not feature in ingress, egress from the palace at the time of R's murder.  But the pictures are great.

When the appropriate permissions arrive I will post the pics, you can see where the investigators have marked the blood patterns

Hope this helps

Richard

Richard

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Arleen on April 05, 2005, 02:57:58 PM
I can hardly wait Richard!
..A
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: felix on April 05, 2005, 05:38:22 PM
Richard, I cant wait to hear what you have learned about Rasputin's murder. And the use of the Palace.Hope you have info on who was there.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: ashanti01 on April 20, 2005, 06:46:01 PM
Hi everyone I was trying to a find a picture when I ran into a photo of the Yussupov's bathroom. SInce its from the palace in Saint Petersburg, I'm assuming the site was taking about the moika palace but I could be wrong.

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: ashanti01 on April 20, 2005, 06:48:18 PM
You have to see this

http://www.texasgypsy.com/Russia/Palace/

http://www.texasgypsy.com/Russia/Palace2/
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Crimson_Snow on April 20, 2005, 08:19:46 PM


Splendid photos. What a world of haves and have nots. How clever Rasputin must have been to slip into it. Almost as clever as the Yussupovs for building up their vast fortunes generation after generation as the empire soon grew to cover 1/6th of the globe. In the end, a young prince proved to be too clever for a weary one.

Opinions? If any. Something I'm playing with.

Peterburg, Russia

A ragged-looking fellow found himself in an odd predicament as he emerged from a dark doorway. Tall, coatless and wearing a tunic smeared in blood, a Siberian holy man stumbled out into the cold December night. He was drunk. But that was the least of his problems.
Moments ago in the palace behind him, Father Rasputin was left for dead. Now standing in a courtyard dusted with snow, he smiled as the harsh air burned his lungs. He was thankful to be alive.
“Bastards,” escaped from his wine-stained lips.
Prince Felix Yussupov was one of the bastards Rasputin was referring too. Strange yet beautiful, the young prince was thought to be under Rasputin’s spell. Apparently, the spell had been broken. The good prince was the one who was responsible for the blood presently dripping down his back.
How could he be so foolish to trust Felix? Worse turn his back to him. The priest was smarter than this. Wasn’t he? He knew the answer. All his life he had let his penis do a majority of his thinking. The priest came here in hopes to bed a princess.
Felix’s wife was well-chosen bait. Princess Irina was one of the most desirable women throughout the Russian empire. To add her to his list of accomplishments was to tempting of a feat. So, he went along with Felix’s plan. He could still hear the prince warn him that the princess was nervous. She was terrified of scandal. So Rasputin allowed Felix to orchestrate this secret gathering.
Three hours ago, the prince masquerading as a chauffeur picked him up from his apartment and drove him here. When Rasputin arrived he was escorted downstairs and told Princess Irina would be down in a moment. In the meantime, the prince played his guitar and sang sad gypsy songs while he drank.
Into his second bottle, the Siberian complained what was taking Irina so long as he moved across the room to fetch another bottle of wine. Just then, the music stopped. The last thing he remembered was a sharp pain followed by a loud noise echoing throughout his head. As Felix stood over him, the prince revealed his twisted plot.
It nearly worked too. Involving Irina was the masterstroke. Hell, he found out later that the princess was not even in the capital. Felix had even lied about that. The first of many lies spewed this evening. Rasputin’s friends had attempted to warn him about the prince but he foolishly had brushed them away. The young prince was getting bold.
Suddenly, what sounded like a woman’s high-pitched scream pierced the night as it tore him back to severity of the moment. The scream came from Prince Felix. He should have killed the prince when he had the chance. Too much was at risk.
Hopelessly, Father Rasputin traced his eyes back along his snowy tracks. A savage voice that sprung from within him screamed, “Noooo!” He needed to flee death just one last time. The priest had three days to save the Romanov regime from a bloody civil war. Members in the imperial family were preparing to strike at the current tsar. His prophecy could not come true.
Then, the door that he would use for his escape opened. With it, a tidal wave of bright, brilliant light bathed the courtyard.
“I am not yet ready to die,” he cried to the wind.
A barrel-shaped man waving a revolver emerged from the blinding light. He waddled into the open courtyard. As he stopped, he aimed his piece and fired two shots into the night, but they both missed. He could not see a thing through his steamed up glasses.
Father Rasputin finally reached his objective. The courtyard’s waist high gate. The cold metal felt wonderful within his grasp.
At that moment, a dark figure emerged from the doorway. Dmitri, a tall and dashing officer of His Majesty’s Horse Guards and member of the royal family, mechanically removed his Browning service revolver from its holster and smartly aimed the weapon.
“Felix, Felix,” shouted Rasputin with all his remaining strength, “I will tell it all to the empress!”
The fiery orange flash from Dmitri’s revolver answered his cry and quickly found its target.
The bullet’s sheer force turned him completely around. Now, facing the lighted palace, the soiled saint began to pray out loud. The blood-soaked snow became his altar. Kneeling before his God, he begged for forgiveness. The cold, soothing snow blanketed his brown, tangled beard. His famous stony eyes glared toward the illuminated doorway that once represented his artery of freedom. “Why now?”
The Siberian could not believe it had come to this. He had endured far too much to be struck down like a wild beast. The wicked force that spun him stole more than his freedom. Perfectly landed, the fourth shot of the night sealed his fate.
The courtyard grew quiet.
The pale palace radiated. There stood the beaming Prince Felix. He looked almost godly as he emerged from the darkness. Blond, bold, and beautiful, the decadent prince was dressed to kill. Wearing his cadet uniform of the Imperial Corps of Pages with high Pershing collar and white leather belt, his costume was complete—except that the friend he had betrayed had torn off one of his shoulder epaulettes.
Moments earlier, Rasputin had told Felix he was unworthy to wear a Russian uniform. Somehow, the prince knew it to be true. When Felix returned to the basement to check on Raputin and he found him slowly moving up the steps.
After a brief confrontation, the Siberian was chocking the life out of the prince when he felt a moment of mercy. He tore off one of Felix’s epaulettes as he pushed him down the stairs. All the while, telling the prince he was not worth it.
But that was ten minutes ago.
Strolling across the field, Felix’s took a deep breath. He was too pretty to be a man. It was time for his grand performance.
A senator, a duke, and a prince crossed the snow-covered courtyard. Their evening’s murderous business was nearly complete.
“Tell me, my clairvoyant friend,” Felix said to Rasputin, entertaining his conspirators, “how could you not foresee all this?”
The priest had no answer to their hate. He had been wise to mail his letter.
“Lord,” the holy man prayed, “I am in your hands now. Do with me what you wish.”
The three of them circled the fallen one like birds of prey.
“Patience good father,” Felix boasted. “You will see him soon enough.”
With fresh gypsy ballads sung earlier by Felix still ringing softly through his head, Rasputin looked toward the irongate. He was so close. “Why?” he asked.
Dmitri yelled, “Scum, you know perfectly well why!”
But the priest didn’t.
“Surely you must know?” said the third man, Senator Purishkevich. He was all out of breath.
“Did you think no one was watching?” Dmitri asked.
“Watching?”
“Yes—watching! Watching you taint Her Majesty with your filthiness. I despise everything you represent.”
“An affair?” Rasputin managed. “Me … and the empress?”
“Yes,” Duke Dmitri replied, “and you dare call yourself a man of God.”
Felix hissed, “I think not.”
“What?” Rasputin laughed, “Me and the empress?” Poor Dmitri, he thought as he looked into his sad dark eyes. You’re being tricked too. He began to grow faint.
“Our Siberian friend has been indulging himself too much in drink these days,” the senator laughed. “No use denying it. We already know what you have done.”
“Senator,” the priest said, gasping for breath, “who made you judge and jury?”
“Hush now,” Felix said with an actor’s flamboyant flair, “it is only I, Grigory Efimovich, I have come for you.” Felix raised Dmitri’s revolver. “Your influence over the House of Romanov has ended.”
“That’s what you think Felix,” the clairvoyant said with a bloody smile, looking at the duke. “Poor Russia. What has it ever done to deserve this?”
“What?” the duke asked.
“Now do what you must,” the believer said, closing his eyes.
With a pull of a trigger and a flash of orange light, Felix sealed his and Russia’s destinies. The shot rang throughout the frozen embankment’s grounds. It echoed throughout the tranquil banks of the Moika and nearby Neva rivers, bouncing off the high bastions of an ancient fortress.
Felix attempted to control his trembling hand. In his mind, he compared the incident to putting down one of his hounds. It was only a dog’s death, the prince told himself. Nothing more. Rasputin deserved it, didn’t he? He had threatened to tell Dmitri of their little secret. Now, he would reveal nothing.
“Well done, Felix,” spoke the senator as he spit on the peasant.
Dmitri just stood there. It was finally done, but it did not seem real. Not yet. As if it were some play, he was waiting for the actor to get up. Serenely, Felix handed him back his revolver.
“Now,” with a long pause, the politician looked down at the Siberian’s corpse. “We have some work to do.”
“Mission completed,” the prince said. “The only thing that remains is to take out the trash. Grab a leg.”
Many miles away in a peaceful village named Moghilev another man wandered through the frosty night.

Opinions welcomed.


Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: lexi4 on April 20, 2005, 09:34:10 PM
 Thank you for the wonderful pictures. What a beautiful place.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on April 29, 2005, 03:44:37 PM
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Hi everyone I was trying to a find a picture when I ran into a photo of the Yussupov's bathroom. SInce its from the palace in Saint Petersburg, I'm assuming the site was taking about the moika palace but I could be wrong.

Check it out how would you like to take a bath in there.
http://www.scottherrick.com/europhotos/russia/stpete/palace1.jpg




that's not the bathroom....that's the room in the apartments of Feliks Senior, that the younger Feliks describes in LOST SPLENDOUR.   it's the room in which he played the "satrap" wearing his mother's jewels, with the "slave" laying prone before him, etc.    

re: the room -- that's not a bathtub.   it's a fountain.     many people seem to make the same mistake though.  ;)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: bluetoria on April 29, 2005, 05:12:29 PM
I think there are more in the book (The tercentennary of St. Petersburg...& I'll post some more tomorrow & try to find out where the originals are from.  :))!
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on April 29, 2005, 11:25:42 PM
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I think there are more in the book (The tercentennary of St. Petersburg...& I'll post some more tomorrow & try to find out where the originals are from.  :))!




that would be great!   i'd really appreciate it, especially since i've never seen the tercentary book....   you rawk! ;)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: bluetoria on April 30, 2005, 07:27:14 PM
It might be a poor translation in the book but it says Study  :-/.

(I'm glad I've learned a new word - rawk!  ;))
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: hikaru on May 02, 2005, 01:30:35 AM
I would like to inform that from 20th June till the end of August an exhibition of Yves Saint Laurent's wedding dresses will be held inside of Moika Palace.
It should be very good.
Long time ago I went to Laurent's exhibition in Hermitage. It was very good too.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 16, 2005, 04:39:22 AM
does anyone have any idea why this doorway (the one on the left)  was blocked-up?  
(i've also wondered if this was the entrance Feliks mentioned in LOST SPLENDOUR.   the one he had created for himself & Irina to the apartments he was furnishing right before the revolution...?)


what happened to this door?   does anyone know, for sure, where it opened into?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: rudy3 on May 16, 2005, 01:30:49 PM
When was the picture with the blocked door taken? A month ago, April 19th I passed by the palace, and the door was not blocked. It is the entrance for ex. from where you have access to the cellar room, where Yusupov received Rasputin on the night of the murder.
Rudy
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Richard_Cullen on May 19, 2005, 11:41:53 AM
The door that Yusupov refers to is shown in the first picture at the side of the house.  It is partially hidden in the picture by the trees but you seen see it between the windows.  It is 100% certain that this is the door although it is now metal and once was wood.  Yusupov's references to it are quite clear;

it was in the courtyard, the side gates were open (or not) and the main gates would have been in the centre of what now is a children's playground.

You have to imagine an iron fence running from the side of the Palace on the left of the first picture across the front of the playground.

There was one set of gates (adjacent to the end of the palace) and one in the centre of the courtyard.

Yusupov, Pursihkevich and Lazovert describe it in their accounts of the murder.  You will find references to the cat being parked in the courtyard infront of the door.  the references to ingress and removing the body are very specific in both Y and P's accounts.

It was only when Rasputin is alleged to have escaped that Y says he ran with his butler, through the main entrance on the Moika and along the front of the fencing in a bid to cut Rasputin off

Richard
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Forum Admin on May 19, 2005, 12:18:22 PM
Richard, I may be wrong, but I always thought Felix meant the inner courtyard, opening out onto Offitserskaia Ulitsa, as his Father's rooms were on the Moika side and Felix's rooms on the opposite side. Here are some 1988 photos showing the inner courtyard and the door at the very back which I thought was the one R went out of, and Felix went out the Moika door to head him off in case he as already out in Offisterskaia.  Would it not have made more sense for the car to be parked inside the far more private semi-circular courtyard, enclosed totally by the walls where no one could see what was going on inside instead of out on the main Moika side where anyone could look thru the wrought iron fence??
(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/forumimages/moikacourt.jpg)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Arleen on May 19, 2005, 12:26:12 PM
Rob, Color me dumb, but is the second picture the gate at the very back of the property on Offisterskaia Ulitsa???  Or is that on the Moika side??  What you say has always made more sense to me than R. going out the side of the building right by the Moika, that the pictures posted before have shown.
..Arleen
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Forum Admin on May 19, 2005, 12:29:26 PM
Arleen, your color is exactly correct! That gate is the Offitserskaia entrance into the semi-circular courtyard in the upper photo.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Athena on May 21, 2005, 11:26:02 AM
http://argo.argo-travel.ru/services/schools/s_excurs/usupovsky/yusupdv1b.jpg
http://argo.argo-travel.ru/services/schools/s_excurs/usupovsky/mavrb.jpg
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: amedeo on May 22, 2005, 08:22:48 AM
Brian do you have a ground floor plan of the Palace?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: amedeo on May 22, 2005, 08:23:24 AM
You seem very interested in this Palace, have you visited it?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 22, 2005, 06:16:14 PM
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You seem very interested in this Palace, have you visited it?




i love this building.     for some reason, whatever it may be, this house absolutely fascinates me.  

no, i've never been there (and i doubt i'll ever be lucky enough to visit it... :'(  )




     i love this house.

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 22, 2005, 06:36:08 PM
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Brian do you have a ground floor plan of the Palace?



the only plan i have is a small, rather crude, plan of the principle floor (the floor with the main entertaining rooms.)     i would LOVE to see the plan of the ground floor; and of Feliks & Irina's entresol.

i've always hoped that someday i'd get to see the  plans for the whole palace?       but realizing it will never happen.... well, that makes me want to cry.


every time i see a photo of this palace that have never seen before, the hair on the back of my neck stands up; my skin gets all "goose-fleshy".  this place has the strangest effect on me.     and i love it  ;D
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: amedeo on May 23, 2005, 11:15:48 AM
I'm sorry I have the ground floor plan, if I found it I will post it.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 23, 2005, 07:27:22 PM
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I'm sorry I have the ground floor plan, if I found it I will post it.


it would be wonderful if you could find & post the one/s you have   ;D
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Arleen on May 23, 2005, 07:50:48 PM
Brian, I know EXACTLY how you feel about this palace.  I feel the same excitment whenever I see "anything" new about the house.  But especially the photographs.  

It is the first palace I would go to visit if I ever was lucky enough to get to St. Petersburg, but sadly that will never happen. You know its really nice to know other people feel the same way!!

..Arleen
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: amedeo on May 26, 2005, 12:03:08 PM
I'm sorry I can't find the floor plan at the moment , it is in a cd I borrowed to a friend of mine.

bye bye
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Reco on May 26, 2005, 03:24:48 PM
first floor plan

(http://img70.echo.cx/img70/4765/pyusupovskymoika00110241plan19.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)

It is not the facade on the Fontanka, it is the facade on the Moika
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Reco on May 26, 2005, 03:27:50 PM
You can see this ground floor olan at the topic Inside the Moika palace

(http://img179.echo.cx/img179/2782/pyusupovskymoika001417grndflso.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 26, 2005, 09:06:40 PM
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You can see this ground floor olan at the topic Inside the Moika palace

(http://img179.echo.cx/img179/2782/pyusupovskymoika001417grndflso.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)



LOL

thanks reco!    but that's the plan I created.    since i've never been able to locate a ground floor plan, i was trying to see if i could recreate it using the 1st floor plan and the written descriptions of the ground floor rooms....but it ended-up being too confusing.    i could never figure-out the rooms for Feliks & Irina's apartments.   and i could never figure-out the room arrangement for the elder Feliks' apartments.       the only parts i got correct are the central hall & staircase & most of the courtyard & colonnade.      
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: BobG on May 27, 2005, 09:38:52 AM
Brian,
Quoting Richard Cullen:
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Hi,

I have copies of the scene of crimes photographs - Felix's entrance was at the side of the Palace - where the children's playgound is now.  It is hard to visualise as there were 6' foot high railings along the front of the yard, which is now the playground.  The railings come up to the height of the windows.

the windows in the basement room are tiny, above head height.

Closest to the Palace in the yard were a set of gates, then a length of railings and then the main gate with the gate keepers hut.

When you read the files from GARF and compare with the photographs you can fit the pieces together.

Although I know the passages these do not feature in ingress, egress from the palace at the time of R's murder.  But the pictures are great.

When the appropriate permissions arrive I will post the pics, you can see where the investigators have marked the blood patterns

Hope this helps

Richard

Richard



You can see in your first floorplan of Felix and Irina's apartment the door on the very left of their suite which would coincide with Richard's description.  I would not be a bit surprised if this entrance was used mostly by Felix for entrance to his basement rooms below his and Irina's apartment and he could use it to bring "guests" privately into his rooms
In old pictures of the palace, the "vanishing doorway" clearly is there, and I think must have been the main entrance to Felix and Irina's suite.
I think you have done a great job with the floorplans and wish we could get an accurate set of Felix's rooms.
Bob G
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Reco on May 27, 2005, 09:42:30 PM
 The Moika palace : view from the roof of the St Isaac's Cathedral
(http://img270.echo.cx/img270/6016/pyusupovskymoika0021024bfromst.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Arleen on May 28, 2005, 04:58:59 PM
Reco, Many thanks for the wonderful picture from the Cathedrial it explains so much.  I always thought there was a building jammed next to Felix end of the Moika palace.  Now I see plenty of room for what we have always heard took place.
..A
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Reco on May 28, 2005, 05:03:54 PM
(http://img86.echo.cx/img86/277/1pyusupovskymoika003102453moyk.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)

Legend said : Moyka94_Jusupovsky_dvorec_2-02-2004
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: amedeo on May 30, 2005, 10:33:31 AM
Wonderful, these pics are very big!

bye bye
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Arleen on May 30, 2005, 11:17:36 AM
For some reason Brian, these pictures have only opened about an inch...enough to drive me absolutely nuts with wanting to see them.
Probably just my machine tho.....
..Arleen
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Forum Admin on May 30, 2005, 11:52:18 AM
Brian,
You pictures, while great, are simply too large and there are too many in one posting. PLEASE re-size them, and make sure resolution is no more than 72dpi.
Thanks
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Arleen on May 30, 2005, 12:14:12 PM
Dear Brian, This time when I came back all of the pictures opened....and they are glorious!  I think that FINALLY I have got the positioning of the palace in my mind.....are you and I the only ones who have not been there?                                                               This is really an odd shaped palace...they must have added onto it thru the ages and it kinda grew crooked.....but I can see now that from the side of the building Rasputin had a large area to run thru, to get to the fence and the gate....and also WHY the police heard so much......they were right across the Moika.  If this had all taken place back in the courtyard, it wouldn't have been heard so well and no one could have seen anything from the outside.
Many thanks for your wonderful pictures.
A pitty we can't get there Brian.....
..Arleen  
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Reco on May 30, 2005, 02:20:33 PM
brnbg aka: liljones1968

Where did you take the aerial view of the streets of
St Petersburg ? Is it from space "satellite" like the tsunami ? I hope you undestand my bad english.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: BobG on May 31, 2005, 06:37:40 AM
Brian,
Your labeling on the aerial shot of the Moika palace grounds is just incredible.  It really helps me to understand all the pictures I have seen (ie yours, those on Wandering Camera, and others) to put together a complete understanding of the palace and its grounds as well as what happened there the night Rasputin died.
Keep up the great postings.
Bob
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: BobG on May 31, 2005, 06:45:33 AM
Tsaria and Richard Cullen:
Any updates on getting floorplans or pictures of the crime scene?
I think there are a lot of us waiting with great hopes.
Thanks.
Bob G
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on June 01, 2005, 12:17:34 AM
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Tsaria and Richard Cullen:
Any updates on getting floorplans or pictures of the crime scene?
I think there are a lot of us waiting with great hopes.
Thanks.
Bob G



I SECOND THAT !!!
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Arleen on June 01, 2005, 02:59:34 PM
ME TOO!!  But has Richard left us for good??
..A
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Forum Admin on June 01, 2005, 03:03:21 PM
Richard is busy with a summer project, and will only be with us sporadically as his limited time permits.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Arleen on June 01, 2005, 03:16:07 PM
Sorry for our impatience Rob.  Just goes to show you how badly we want these blueprints and anything about the Moika Palace.  Truly it is my favorite in St. Petersburg.
..Arleen
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Fawzia on June 05, 2005, 05:31:52 PM
Absolutely stunning!   Zenaida had the most wonderful taste.   :)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on June 08, 2005, 04:31:39 AM
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 i knew i had these somewhere, i just couldn't find them.   but i found them about 5 minutes ago!   (okay, 10 minutes.....)

1.) this is the little mirrored (dining?) room that Feliks mentions in LOST SPLENDOUR, that when all the morrored doors were closed, it became difficult to know where you had entered from.    he went on to say that behind one of the mirrored walls, was a small staircase that led to the rooms in the basement, that he intended to turn into
another series of apartments for himself....
   





2.)  the infamous staircase Rasputin descended & the door on the  half-landing he exited, finding himself in the sideyard.....



3.)  the hastily decorated basement room -- created specifically for "entertaining" Rasputin.

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Arleen on June 08, 2005, 02:24:04 PM
These pictures Brian, they made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck.  They are the BEST yet!  Thank you so much for posting them.

I think I love pictures so much because my imagination seems to fail me when it comes to the fabulous palaces and the lives these people lived.  I just cannot picture it for myself.....and I will never make it there to see it for myself.

..Arleen

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on June 09, 2005, 07:21:15 AM
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These pictures Brian, they made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck.  They are the BEST yet!  Thank you so much for posting them.

I think I love pictures so much because my imagination seems to fail me when it comes to the fabulous palaces and the lives these people lived.  I just cannot picture it for myself.....and I will never make it there to see it for myself.

..Arleen




i'm exactly the opposite, but for the very same reasons....   i prefer floor plans because i enjoy creating the rooms in my head.    i like looking down into the house; in my mind's eye, i can see the various residents moving from room to room, living out their day...  (does that make any sense?).

there are, however, some buildings that absolutely draw me into them & (basically) envelope my interest.... this palace is THE foremost of those.   i love this place for many reasons.   and it makes me unbelievably sad to think that, realistically, i'll never see it....never be able to touch the stone, never be able to see if the smell of the actual building is anything close to what i imagine it to be (a mixture of wood oil, musty upholstry & drapes, whatever the workers had for lunch.... and Time).    

that's why the floorplans & images (old & new) are so important.   they give life to a part of history that i'll never witness.

okay.   now i'm depressed.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Glebb on June 09, 2005, 07:27:08 AM
I was so happy to be able to tour this Palace.
Most interesting to me was the fact that Pavlova danced in their private theatre.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: BobG on June 09, 2005, 09:06:03 AM
Brian,
That is exactly the way I felt about the Alexander Palace several years ago when I first discovered this site.  But oddly enough, I did get to Russia and visited the palace as well as the Moika Palace.  I never expected to go either, and then the stars aligned and I got to make the trip.  I wish so much I have learned since then, (like the floorplans of the palaces) had been more available to me so that I could have paid more attention to the layouts and be more helpful in updating and clarifying your plans.
However, what I really wanted to say is keep posting and believe that you can see these wonderfuly place in person, and it will happen.
Bob
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: hikaru on June 09, 2005, 11:43:40 AM
Not only Pavlova danced in this theater but all famous dancers and singers of Imperial Theaters, including Shalyapin.
I could advise to celebrate the New Year Eve in the Palace. It is very good .
Usually Temirkanov and his Orquestra participate in this celebration.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Reco on June 26, 2005, 12:58:21 AM
Yusupov palace back street side 21 DECEMBRISTS STREET
(http://img99.echo.cx/img99/7341/yusupovpalacedecembristsstreet.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: amedeo on August 27, 2005, 08:55:14 AM
And also:

http://www.thestillwells.blogspot.com/

don't miss the beautiful bedchamber!
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: blackrussian on September 17, 2005, 09:55:45 PM
Why have the Yusupov Palaces and fortunes never been returned by the Russian Government or been fought over by the Yusupovs, since they naturally own them.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: M_Breheny on February 09, 2006, 05:58:41 PM
I realize that this probably isn't the place for this post.  And I apologize if it doesn't work out as this will be the first time that I have attempted to post pictures via photobucket.  Also, forgive the poor quality of a couple of the photos.  

The pictures were taken in July when I visited the Yussupov Palace.  Here goes.(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/mbreheny/Russia2005-1067.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/mbreheny/Russia2005-2058.jpg)(http://)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/mbreheny/Russia2005-2048.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/mbreheny/Russia2005-1049.jpg)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: dp5486 on March 22, 2006, 09:18:30 AM
Does anyone know of any examples of the many paintings that were found in this cache? Any that can be seen in museums today?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: lancashireladandre on March 22, 2006, 12:29:21 PM
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Does anyone know of any examples of the many paintings that were found in this cache? Any that can be seen in museums today?

Thanks!

Paintings from the Moika (and indeed Arkhangelskoie)were mainly divided between the Hermitage and the Pushkin museum in Moscow.Other museums received odd items and of course the Serov portraits went to the Russian Museum in St P.The only David in Russia "Sappho & Phaon" went to the Hermitage as did 2 Fragonards (to add to the single one they owned) the famed Rubens.Watteau,Boucher & Hyacinthe Rigaud were among the pictures that went to Moscow .Canvases by Claude Lorrain,Correggio,Velasquez,Corot,Hals and some wonderful sculpture were among the 45,000 articles of artistic importance removed in the mid 1920's to the museums....Does anyone the fate of the 3rd Rembrandt  "Boy in Fanciful costume"which was confiscated by the bolsheviks.Was it later sold abroad ?as was the Vigee Lebruns and countless other objects....
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: dp5486 on March 22, 2006, 12:47:40 PM
Thank you! I am also curious, is it known if all these portraits were found hidden or were some left on the walls of the palace?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: dp5486 on March 23, 2006, 12:48:51 PM
I was reading on a website mentioning Arkangelskoye, it mentions that the art collection of Prince Nicholas Yusupov was kept here. Yet it sounded like with the volume of things hidden at the moika palace, including the 400 or so paintings, that the art collection was kept here.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: lancashireladandre on March 23, 2006, 01:55:25 PM
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I was reading on a website mentioning Arkangelskoye, it mentions that the art collection of Prince Nicholas Yusupov was kept here. Yet it sounded like with the volume of things hidden at the moika palace, including the 400 or so paintings, that the art collection was kept here.

Any ideas?

If you read "Lost Splendour" you will learn that after Prince Nicholas died in 1831,his son Boris reduced the scale of living at A and removed many art treasures such as the Tiepolo's and the Canova "Love & Psyche" to St P.The Moika palace then became the MAIN but not SOLE repositry for the collection.There were (& still are) rooms at A with collections of Hubert Robert,Canaletto and a lovely full length van Dyck.The 2 Tiepolo's are back too.I think there were more than 1,000 paintings !!!!!discovered in the Moika hidden caches...
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: dp5486 on March 23, 2006, 02:04:26 PM
Thank you for clarifying. I had no idea there were so many! I guess I won't be able to compile a list.... :P

I noticed that the family had quite a few portraits of different family members done by famous artists (i.e. Serov, Christina Robertson, Flameng, Winterhalter). Is it known or lost to history where these portraits hung in the Moika Palace?

Thanks again!
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: james_h on March 23, 2006, 03:30:56 PM

You may not need to compile a list, here ......

http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/shop/html_En/products/00078_Educated_Fancy__The_Collection_of_Nikolai_Borisovich_Yusupov.html
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: dp5486 on March 25, 2006, 05:30:43 PM
Thank you for pointing out that book. I hadn't seen it before. Unfortunately, I will have to hold off for right now due to the price...  :o
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: ashanti01 on April 21, 2006, 12:55:21 AM
OMG!!! :o


Where did you find these images? These are wonderful watercolors! I can't believe you were able to find them. Thank you so much for posting them. As always you are the best!
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on April 21, 2006, 12:55:38 PM
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OMG!!! :o


Where did you find these images? These are wonderful watercolors! I can't believe you were able to find them. Thank you so much for posting them. As always you are the best!



they're from THE YUSUPOV PALACE, published in 2003, to celebrate to the 300th anniversary of St-P and mourn the death of Galina Sveshnikova, the late director of the palace.

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Jay on April 26, 2006, 05:49:31 PM
Wow! I know that it's been said that the Yussupov palaces rivaled the tsars. After seeing these watercolors, I believe it. They are magnificent!! Thanks for posting them. Areal treat!!!  :) :)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: JD on April 26, 2006, 06:13:05 PM
I certainly vastly prefer what I've seen of the Moika to what I've seen of the AP. From what I understand this isn't an uncommon reaction. I've seen precious little of the Winter Palace at the time and I wonder how it compares.

Thanks brnbg, you're constantly sharing great stuff.

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: edwardcharles on August 12, 2006, 04:29:11 PM
Here are some great pictures I found on this website of the interior of the Moika Palace hope you all like it.

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/330/index_e.html
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: ChristineM on August 12, 2006, 05:32:30 PM
FANTASTIC

tsaria
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: antti on August 15, 2006, 06:00:58 AM
Hello!

On album 332 there is a picture of a staircase to the princess room. I have been told that the orginal stairway was made from crystal. Does anyone know anything about that or is it just a fairytale?

Antti
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 15, 2006, 10:17:19 AM
Here is a photo of the Moika Palace circa early 1900's:
 

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/Moika_old.jpg)

Below is a photo I took from exactly the same angle in 2004. Notice that the church in the background is now gone, replaced by a Soviet style building... everything else is more or less the same.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/Moika_new.jpg)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: ChristineM on August 16, 2006, 03:54:50 AM
Remarkable photographs, Helen A.    It is almost possible to superimpose one upon the other with little difference.   Typically, the only real difference is the disappearance of the church in the mid-distance, to be replaced with what was KGB headquarters (the most feared building in St Petersburg - 'from the top you can see all the way to Siberia'), now the headquarters of the FSB.

tsaria
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 16, 2006, 08:53:55 AM
... the only real difference is the disappearance of the church in the mid-distance, to be replaced with what was KGB headquarters...

Kind of ironic, isn't it?

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Richard_Cullen on August 20, 2006, 10:47:21 AM
A great pity the photographer didn't take pictures of the basemnt dining room shots into the room where R was murdered and the steps down from the side, together with the bay lounge area are imposssible to find.

Richard
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: griffh on August 27, 2006, 09:35:40 AM
Edwardcharles thank you too for the exquisite photos of the Moika Palace, and Helen A for the circa early 1900's photo and it's duplicate today.  Gosh I hope they rebuild that church some day.  Isn't it curious how modern that other building to the left looks.  Is that the back facade of the Admiralty building?  Moika Palace has a certain harmony of proportions that is quite pleasing.  I had only seen the theater and the Persian rooms so it was such a treat seeing those lovely photos and it looks so cared for and untouched. 

The thing I so adore about St. Petersburg are the rich italianate colors of the palaces.  When I see certain photographs of St. Petersburg I feel this sense of warmth and remember Dostoyevsky's wonderful description in "White Nights" of walking along the Embankment and how the houses seemed...

"to run forward in the streets to look out at me from every window, and almost to say: "Good-morning!  How do you do? I am quite well, thank God, and I am to have a new storey in May," or, "How are you?  I am being redecorated tommorrow"; or, "I was almost burnt down and had such a fright," and so on.  I have my favorites among them, some are dear friends; one of them intends to be treated by the architect this summer.  I shall go every day on purpose to see that the operation is not a failure.  God forbid!..." 

When I saw those lovely photos of the Moika's entrance hall and grand staircase I felt it calling out to me, "Do look at my lovely frock.  Can you believe that it is still so smart and quite as charming as when I first wore it!  Is it not remarkable, how unfaded this lovely gown is after all I have gone through?  I tell you it is a modern day miracle.  God be praised?" 

Oh dear, do forgive me Dostoyevsky, but once again thank you Edwardcharles.   
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Alixz on August 27, 2006, 09:57:35 AM
And then to remember that the owners of these beautiful rooms took them for granted and most liklely rushed through them each day without even noticing the beauty that surrounded them.

Visiting them must be akin (in a smaller way) to visiting the mansions in Newport, Rhode Island.  Newport was a late comer to building mansions, but the owners used these vast mansions as "summer homes" and only occupied them in July and August.

The "Breakers" summer home of the Vanderbilts was last used as residence in 1969.  I was there in 1975 and the beauty of it was staggering, but also the years of wear and tear had begin to show on the furnishings.  The structure itself was no longer strong and parts of it were closed to the public.

It is sad to see the beauty created for and by a family for their personal use now relegated to tourists.
 

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: amedeo on September 12, 2006, 01:12:58 PM
Look at this website:

http://yusupov-palace.ru/
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on March 01, 2007, 09:54:56 AM
At the time of their magnificient(before revolution):the art gallery of the Youssoupov in the palace of the Moika,many of the art works that could be seen there are now detained in the Hermitage.

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/Numriser0005.jpg)
Vassia
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 07, 2007, 04:36:04 AM
The winter garden of the Moika palace,watercolour of Vassili Savodnikov,painted in 1852
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/youssoupvgarden.jpg)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 27, 2007, 10:11:01 AM
Moika palace from the quay...
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/jul28_0920_big.jpg)


A beautiful shot of the main stairvase(I'm not the author of that shot)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/youssoupov-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: dmitri on June 16, 2007, 12:47:01 PM
Everything hidden has been found. I was in Russia in January and wondered that myself. You can visit the Yussopov Palace and seeing it evening now you realise why the revolution took place. This family was so extremely wealthy and did little to ensure the regime continued. It was a fabulously weathly family. You can visit the cellar where Rasputin was murdered. The private theatre is truly a gem. Many of the former Yussopov art treasures are now in other museums in St.Petersburg and Moscow. Many of the paintings inside the Yussopov Palace are copies and not the originals.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Svetabel on June 30, 2007, 04:03:50 AM
Interiors of the palace on Moika as they were in 1853.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/bedroomMoika.jpg)

Main Bedroom of the Princess in the Main Rooms

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/gothicstudyMoika.jpg)

Gothic Study

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/MainstaircaseMoika.jpg)

Main Staircase
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Svetabel on June 30, 2007, 04:28:20 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/sittingroomZI_Moika.jpg)

Sitting room in the private appartments of the Princess

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/gobelensittingroomMoika.jpg)

Tapestry Sitting room

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 01, 2007, 04:49:32 AM

the Tapestry "Sitting Room"
btw, can anyone tell me what that thing is in the background (a bit in from the left side of the image)
that looks rather like the headboard to a bed?    i just can't see this room being a bedroom!  lol

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Svetabel on July 01, 2007, 06:37:08 AM


the Tapestry "Sitting Room"
btw, can anyone tell me what that thing is in the background (a bit in from the left side of the image)
that looks rather like the headboard to a bed?    i just can't see this room being a bedroom!  lol

That's not a headboard  :), more likely a fire-screen or just a screen.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on July 09, 2007, 08:10:13 PM
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/may13_1157_big.jpg)

Drawings enfilade
Vassili
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: NAAOTMA on July 10, 2007, 10:37:07 PM
There is a small picture of two borzois on a summer verandah with a table set for tea that is located in the same room as the wonderful Serov portrait of Felix Sr. on horseback in the picture galleries.

Does anyone have an idea of the artist of the verandah scene or if it was a depiction of Yussupov life in the country? I bought a small print of the that picture in the palace gift shop and would love to know more about it if that is possible.

The main staircase of this palace was used as a location in the Alan Rickman film RASPUTIN that also starred Ian McKellan and Greta Sacchi.

Felix's "bachelor" rooms in the cellar are reached by a steep and narrow stair and gave me claustrophobia. The door Rasputin used to reach what was then a courtyard now opens onto a bare patch facing the street with no trace of the courtyard remaining.

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: ashdean on July 11, 2007, 05:52:22 AM
The palace was also used as a location in the Danielle Steele movie "ZOYA".
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: dmitri on July 11, 2007, 08:32:35 AM
It's a rather wonderful palace. Much of its contents before the revolution are now in museums. I was there in January. The theatre is delightful and largely undisturbed. Most of the paintings that appear to be famous are copies. It's still worth a visit.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: ashdean on July 11, 2007, 12:32:36 PM
It's a rather wonderful palace. Much of its contents before the revolution are now in museums. I was there in January. The theatre is delightful and largely undisturbed. Most of the paintings that appear to be famous are copies. It's still worth a visit.
Over 45,000 objects were deemed worthy enough to be forwarded to museums in 1924!!!!!!!!!.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: dmitri on July 12, 2007, 06:14:54 AM
Well I guess there they could be more appreciated by a great many rather than just a few.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: vladm on September 22, 2007, 05:26:08 PM
In continuation of the first report from here:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,10222.0.html (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,10222.0.html)

Second part of the report will be Yussupovs Palace
Part -1
http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=187&Itemid=1&lang=eng (http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=187&Itemid=1&lang=eng)

(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/stories/YoussoupovPalace/interior/IMG_5494.JPG)
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/stories/YoussoupovPalace/interior/IMG_5550.JPG)

Part -2
http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=188&Itemid=1&lang=eng (http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=188&Itemid=1&lang=eng)

(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/stories/YoussoupovPalace/interior/IMG_5556.JPG)
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/stories/YoussoupovPalace/interior/IMG_5564.JPG)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Annie on September 22, 2007, 08:41:07 PM
Beautiful pics, thanks for sharing! I love hearing about other peoples' trips to Russia!
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: vladm on September 23, 2007, 02:46:04 PM
Its total 11 parts for the photo report, because its large amount of data, close to 120 photos or 15 MB, please enjoy and reply here how did you like it.

Part - 3 http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=189&Itemid=1&lang=eng (http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=189&Itemid=1&lang=eng)
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/stories/YoussoupovPalace/interior/IMG_5582.JPG)
Part - 4 http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=190&Itemid=1&lang=eng (http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=190&Itemid=1&lang=eng)
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/stories/YoussoupovPalace/interior/IMG_5589.JPG)
Part - 5 http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=191&Itemid=1&lang=eng (http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=191&Itemid=1&lang=eng)
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/stories/YoussoupovPalace/interior/IMG_5604.JPG)
Part - 6 http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=192&Itemid=1&lang=eng (http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=192&Itemid=1&lang=eng)
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/stories/YoussoupovPalace/interior/IMG_5611.JPG)
Part - 7 http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=193&Itemid=1&lang=eng (http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=193&Itemid=1&lang=eng)
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/stories/YoussoupovPalace/interior/IMG_5627.JPG)
Part - 8 http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=194&Itemid=1&lang=eng (http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=194&Itemid=1&lang=eng)
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/stories/YoussoupovPalace/interior/IMG_5634.JPG)
Part - 9 http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=195&Itemid=1&lang=eng (http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=195&Itemid=1&lang=eng)
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/stories/YoussoupovPalace/interior/IMG_5645.JPG)
Part - 10 http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=196&Itemid=1&lang=eng (http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=196&Itemid=1&lang=eng)
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/stories/YoussoupovPalace/interior/IMG_5665.JPG)
Part - 11 http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=197&Itemid=1&lang=eng (http://www.virtualpushkin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=197&Itemid=1&lang=eng)
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/stories/YoussoupovPalace/interior/IMG_5676.JPG)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: dmitri on September 23, 2007, 10:05:00 PM
Yes the Moika Palace was interesting. I did find though it felt like a Museum. So many of its treasures were elsewhere and reproductions on the walls. It seemed very much to be a building without a purpose even in all its vanquished splendour. 
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on November 01, 2007, 07:15:32 PM
Felix in the Moika palace, I can't precisely date the shot (around 1914-1916)  ...

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/cour.jpg)

Vassia
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Belochka on November 01, 2007, 07:50:29 PM
Hi Vassia,

Where did you scan the 3rd photograph of the Yusupov courtyard from please?

Although the image itself is common, it is the quality of this print which interests me immensely.

Could you please send me just a scan of that 3rd photo please via PM?

Thanks for your help,

Regards,

Margarita  
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: dmitri on November 01, 2007, 10:05:45 PM
It's worth noting Queen Elizabeth II held a reception in the Moika Palace during her State Visit to Russia.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Belochka on November 02, 2007, 01:15:19 AM
It's worth noting Queen Elizabeth II held a reception in the Moika Palace during her State Visit to Russia.

A fine choice in St. Petersburg. The palace is magnificent and the reception areas are impressive to hopefully have pleased Her Majesty.

We attended an evening concert there and the sound of the music that flowed was charged with intense emotion. An unforgettable experience!

Margarita
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on November 02, 2007, 07:29:34 AM
Today ,I'm going to university if you could wait a little bit I'll send you!

V
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: dmitri on November 02, 2007, 08:36:52 AM
Have been there already Vassili. Thanks anyway.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on November 19, 2007, 04:59:52 PM
  Dimitri:  " It seemed very much to be a building without a purpose even in all its vanquished splendour."    Eloquent thought.  Thanks for the comment.  May we all find our way home.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Nomine on December 13, 2007, 12:39:59 PM
Does anyone have the plan of the Jusupov Palace - the part where Rasputin was killed? I need the layout of rooms. Thanks a lot in advance, it is quite important for me at the moment.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: ashanti01 on December 13, 2007, 01:37:54 PM
Brain posted this a while back. I'm not sure but he may have some more.

(http://img179.echo.cx/img179/2782/pyusupovskymoika001417grndflso.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
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Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Nomine on December 13, 2007, 03:47:48 PM
And which part is the basement with the mirror room, the study, the dining room in which Grigorij was killed....?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 20, 2008, 12:14:15 AM
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the room you're asking about is approximately under the green area in the lower left-hand corner --- reached by descending a small staircase located approximately in the red area.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/yusgrndfl.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/yusgrndfl.jpg)

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Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 23, 2008, 12:50:15 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/yusplanv7.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/yusplanv7.jpg)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: mprosarion on February 04, 2008, 01:19:01 PM
That particular palace is amazing. I bet the Yusupovs never felt at home anywhere ever again.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: covenant on February 07, 2008, 07:59:49 AM
That particular soviet style building in the background appears to be crumbling apart when you look closely, i've always seen as a monstrous monolith compared to the beautiful architecture surrounding it. Here's a few closer photographs of it-
(http://www.romanovdynasty.com/images/temp/uglybuilding1.jpg)
(http://www.romanovdynasty.com/images/temp/uglybuilding2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Helen_Azar on February 07, 2008, 08:28:22 AM

I remember looking at this building when I was there from this exact same spot and thinking the same thing...
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: BobG on February 07, 2008, 09:18:19 AM
Just a clarification:

Here is a photo of the Moika Palace circa early 1900's:
 

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/Moika_old.jpg)

Below is a photo I took from exactly the same angle in 2004. Notice that the church in the background is now gone, replaced by a Soviet style building...  everything else is more or less the same.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/Moika_new.jpg)

The church is still there, except that it has been remodeled into a "Soviet style" apartment building.  If you look at the side view posted by Covenant you can see the old church windows and how the steeple has been converted into apartments. 

I think the "conversion" shows how the Soviets wanted to make a statement about religion.  It certainly shows how Soviet architects were required to follow what the Soviet leaders demanded.

BobG

Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: covenant on February 07, 2008, 09:25:32 AM
Yes, it's most interesting how it retains the shape of a church.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Helen_Azar on February 07, 2008, 09:29:50 AM
The church is still there, except that it has been remodeled into a "Soviet style" apartment building.  If you look at the side view posted by Covenant you can see the old church windows and how the steeple has been converted into apartments. 

Really? I can't tell. It looks like a different building to me... As far as I know, the soviets loved to demolish the churches completely and build new buildings instead of converting.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Douglas on February 08, 2008, 01:56:43 PM
Hello Covenant:

Did you ever complete your computer pictures of the AP?  I don't remember seeing them yet.

Douglas
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on April 21, 2008, 12:23:55 PM
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as always, click on the images for larger versions
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the courtyard facade in 1861 (note the greenhouse/winter garden windows) & today
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/moikacrtyrd1861.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/moikacrtyrd1861.jpg)
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a 1915 proposal for Irina's bathroom and a view today
please note, the present look of her bathroom may be different than how it was built
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/moikairinabthrm1915.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/moikairinabthrm1915.jpg)
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Feliks & Irina's private dining room in 1916, and a closer view of the china in the case
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/moikaFFetIAdining1916.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/moikaFFetIAdining1916.jpg)
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Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Monarchist on April 26, 2008, 02:09:48 PM
great pictures! thanks!
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 10, 2009, 05:35:18 PM
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Feliks & Irina's apartments

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-g/YUS-Capture40.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-g/YUS-Capture43.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-g/YUS-Capture46.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-g/YUSCapture34.jpg)

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Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Annetta on March 13, 2009, 05:40:13 AM
Hello!

On album 332 there is a picture of a staircase to the princess room. I have been told that the orginal stairway was made from crystal. Does anyone know anything about that or is it just a fairytale?

Antti

Hi,
 u know when The Yusupov Palace began to work as a museum people had little fact about its history. The oaken staircase at the pic was made in 1890th, but some staircase to Princess's  bedroom was arranged in the mid-19 century. Many years ago they say, 1st staircase was made of crystal, but after the next refurbusing its crystal piers were used for redesigning of the Ball room. But actually, it's a myth.

Best regards.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: ashdean on May 12, 2010, 06:42:33 AM
Hello!

On album 332 there is a picture of a staircase to the princess room. I have been told that the orginal stairway was made from crystal. Does anyone know anything about that or is it just a fairytale?

Antti

Hi,
 u know when The Yusupov Palace began to work as a museum people had little fact about its history. The oaken staircase at the pic was made in 1890th, but some staircase to Princess's  bedroom was arranged in the mid-19 century. Many years ago they say, 1st staircase was made of crystal, but after the next refurbusing its crystal piers were used for redesigning of the Ball room. But actually, it's a myth.

Best regards.
The principal staircase was rebuilt in 1860-2 by Monghetti.
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Ladytaksa on June 21, 2010, 11:35:15 AM

a 1915 proposal for Irina's bathroom and a view today


amazing! thank you for this photo! i've always wanted to see it!
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Alexandre64 on August 31, 2010, 02:31:33 PM
Hello
The second floor plan of the palace there he was canned?, In his memoirs of Felix says that this is a floor that is its rooms, those of his brother and his paternal grandmother, and a chapel.

Are there pictures of recent and ancient chapel or did she was dismantling after the revolution?
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on October 18, 2011, 06:02:46 AM
Just for fun, a video have been realized with great soprano Anna Netrebko with some russian popstar in the Youssoupov palace on the Moika.

Amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htfee_VxO6A&feature=fvwrel
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: Joanna on May 13, 2012, 08:18:05 PM
Recent photos of the interiors of the Yusupov Palace:

http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/4491685/post217358026

Joanna
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: ashanti01 on February 21, 2016, 02:08:55 PM
The porcelain boudoir

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/93/22/32/932232abd0ec63ad0afb0a11ad6f6b05.jpg)
 
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ab/48/e2/ab48e2c755cd5fbe4b919bdeebd6a8cc.jpg)
 
Title: Re: The Yusupov Palace on Moika, St.Petersbourg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on August 27, 2019, 02:47:36 AM
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someone describng Feliks Feliksovich junior's Moika enfilade rooms:

"The enfilade was opened by the Library, the walls of which were lined with Karelian birch panels and “covered with emerald painting”. It was followed by the Dining Room of "Amethyst", then the Cabinet of the Young Prince, with the chariots of Apollo and Aurora, soaring in the picturesque vaults, painted by N. Tyrsa.

Nearby, there was a large living room, furnished with a Parisian white set of “swan-neck shape”, topped with a shade with the finest openwork paintings of S. Chekhonin. The last hall in the suite - the Ballroom (Dance), was decorated with a colonnade of light-coffee artificial marble, snow-white wall bas-reliefs by the sculptor B. Yakovlev and paintings of refined coloristic shades - N. Tyrsa. According to the architect A. Beloborodov, a gallery of the Winter Garden adjoined the semicircular part of the hall."


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/0e/6b/620e6b448f6665ddb197a2804e875d01.jpg)

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