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Title: Miskhor
Post by: BobG on June 25, 2005, 12:54:06 PM
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Dolgorukies had other estate before the revolution -
Miskhor .
It was the famous Naval Hospital during and after the WWII. My grand grand father lived in the palace and worked in the Hospital at the end of 40ths.


hikaru,
It is interesting that you mention MISKHOR.
I was reading IN THE MARBLE PALACE and Prince Gavril Konstantinovich mentions staying there on several occasions.
I had never heard of this estate before and assumed it belonged to the family.  I wonder if they bought it from the Dolgorukaya's or if it was own by the Crown and just loaned to the Konstantiovichs.  
Does you or anyone have more of the history of Miskhor?
BobG
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: Reco on June 25, 2005, 09:56:19 PM
Hi BobG,

See the topic Dullber. It is the same palace
in Miskhor (near Alupka).
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: BobG on July 31, 2005, 06:02:39 AM
I have just been reading First to Go Back by Princess Irina Skariantina and she has a reference to Mishkor:

    "Leaving Alupka, we passed through Mishor. "Over there," said our driver, pointing to the park, "is the palace built for Alexander III. One day when he was driving along this road he said to one of his ministers who was with him, ‘What a lovely spot. I should like to have a house out there.’ The minister took it as a command and unknown to the Tsar had the palace built. Three years later when it was completed the minister was driving by the same place with Alexander, and called his attention to it, hoping it would come as a pleasant surprise. But the Tsar had forgotten his desire, or that he had ever expressed the wish, and scarcely noticing it, remarked: ‘What is that ugly place?' "
     I had never heard that story in all my life, but Vic chuckled over it and was very much amused."

She refers to passing by Ai-Toldor, Haraks, and Dulber before Alupka and it seems they are different estates.

Can anyone help clarify and does anyone have more information and/ or pictures of Mishkor?

Bob G
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: Reco on July 31, 2005, 02:36:51 PM
Sanatorium "Dulber" is situated at the center of resort Mishor, directly on the sea-coast.
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1662/sanatoriumdulberissituatedatth.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)

Dulber or Miskhor, it is the same palace.
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: hikaru on July 31, 2005, 02:49:11 PM
Hey , At the present, in the resort's village Miskhor
( after Oreanda go Gaspra , Koreiz and Miskhor)
there are 3 palaces :
1) Sanatorium " Miskhor"
2) Sanatorium "Dyulber"
3) Former Yusupov palace

I just would like to say that there is not only "Dyulber" in Miskhor.

Before the war there were  villa called "Nyura " where Gorky liked to stay.

There are two famous statues there on the beach:
one is "mermaid" and one is  " Girl Arzy and robber Ali-baba"
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: hikaru on July 31, 2005, 02:55:23 PM
According to the 1883 guide-book,
Miskhor was a village of Crimea Tatars.
But the name of the village is Greek - Misso-hori.
In one document from Genova, they called the village as Musicori.
In 1883 in Miskhor there were the following dachas :
- Shuvalov
- Bobrinsky
- Zavadovsky
- Vorontsov-Dashkov

In Koreiz there were the following dachas:
- Goncharov
- Countess of Sumarokova- Elston
- Count Shakhovskoy
- First dacha built by Golitsyn at the beginning of 19th century.
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: hikaru on July 31, 2005, 03:08:48 PM
According to the guide - book of 1914 , in Miskhor village there were only one dacha - dacha of Countess Dolgorukaya.
Dyulber was not located directly in the village.
I will try to count the famous dachas from Yalta along the seacost:

After Yalta go Livadia - Emperor's estate
Oreanda - Emperor's estate
Verkhnyaa Oreanda -  of Dutchess Dolgorukaya
Kurpaty - of Emperor
Kichkine - of GD Dmitry Konstantinovich
Estate of Mr. Zuravlev
Zemchuzina - estate of Mr. Shelaputine
Lastochkino Gnezdo
Ai-Todor - of GD Alexanr Mikhaylovich
Kharaks - of GD Georgy Mikhaylovich ( if we could return in the 1914, we was able to rent an apartment in the palace with bathroom etc. It would cost  150-200 roubles per month)
Chair - of GD Anastasiya Nikolaevna of Leikhtenberg
Barbo - of Cramarge
Barbo - Kristo - of Mr. Titushkin
Dyulber - of GD Petr Nikolaevich
then go Koreiz village with Yusupov estate - Koreiz
Oleiz - estate of Mr. Tokmakov
Miskhor - estate of Countess Dolgorukaya
then estate of Countess Panina in Gaspra
Then go Alupka city.
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: hikaru on July 31, 2005, 03:13:35 PM
It seems that Countess Dolgorukaya did a very good buisness . She had one palace and a lot of the dachas in the territory for rent.
She also  gave her land to rent.
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: hikaru on July 31, 2005, 03:16:30 PM
Finally I want to say that Dyulber and Miskhor - are two
different palaces . They just  are located near each other.
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: lancashireladandre on November 13, 2005, 03:31:22 AM
Mishkor is mentioned in the memoirs of the late Sofka Skipwith, nee Princess Doulgoruky "Sofka". The Princess was 10 when in 1917 she travelled south with her paternal grandmother Princess Olga Petrovna (nee Countess Shouvalova) to Mishkor where they lived till April 1919 when they left Yalta aboard HMS Marlborough as part of the Dowager Empresses retinue.Princess Olga in exile followed the nomadic pattern of many emigree's, living at various times in London,Rome,Nice and finally Versaillies where she died in 1927.Olga' elder son was the chamberlain to the Dowager.
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: Svetabel on April 08, 2006, 11:53:42 AM
The Palace of GD Georgiy Mikhailovitch in Kharax (Miskhor).

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/Harax.jpg)
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: Svetabel on April 08, 2006, 11:57:11 AM
The St.Nina's Church and the Bell-tower in Kharax, estate of GD Georgiy Mikhailovitch.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/chapelHarax.jpg)
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: Mike on September 30, 2006, 12:35:29 PM
The sanatorium was built in 1955 as a luxury resort for trade union officials and "advanced workers".
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: Alixz on September 30, 2006, 04:26:30 PM
So the picture posted by Reco and my picture are not of the same place?

They don't look alike at all, so I assumed they were different.  However, did the Soviets really build something so archetecturally exotic in 1955?  Their taste was usually more severe and streamlined.

Or did they, as usual, simply convert an already existing palace into their "sanatorium"?

Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: Svetabel on October 01, 2006, 12:51:02 AM
So the picture posted by Reco and my picture are not of the same place?

They don't look alike at all, so I assumed they were different.  However, did the Soviets really build something so archetecturally exotic in 1955?  Their taste was usually more severe and streamlined.

Or did they, as usual, simply convert an already existing palace into their "sanatorium"?



Your picture displays sanatorim "Ukraine" which was really built in 1955, and by the way after that an architect was imprisoned in a prison camp as the Soviet bosses considered the buildings in the sanatoirum too much luxurious.
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: Alixz on October 01, 2006, 09:49:47 AM
Svetabel

Thank you.  Imagine that!!  Do a great job and then be punished for it.

If they considered it too "luxurious" then why did they approve the building to begin with?
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: Svetabel on October 01, 2006, 11:11:29 AM
If they considered it too "luxurious" then why did they approve the building to begin with?


Possibly they did not think what a result would be.  :-\
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: AlexG on August 24, 2009, 12:51:30 PM
I'm trying to identify the palace/estate now known as sanatorium "The Ukraine" in Miskhor.  Does anyone know the history of this building as far as who belonged to?  It's history?

I have searched throughout the Internet but have come up emty-handed.  There seems to be a lot of discussions about other palaces/estates, but this one seems to be missing.

Any help/information will be sincerely appreciated.  I have tried inserting the picture but it's not working, so photos of the builind can be found here:

http://www.tourism.crimea.ua/eng/otdih/yalta/ukraina/index.html

Alex G.


Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: primrose on August 31, 2009, 09:32:37 AM
Alex.... see post #14 in the thread "Miskhor" in this same forum about 12 threads below yours.
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: xirbis on September 01, 2009, 12:01:52 PM
Alex, the "Ukraine" sanatorium belongs to the "resort" branch of "Stalin Neo-classic" architectural constructions of the 30s-early 50s. I believe it was build for precisely that purpose  - working class people's health care and recuperation.
Title: Re: Miskhor
Post by: AlexG on September 06, 2009, 11:35:01 AM
Thank you for the information, but does anyone know what stood on these grounds before WWII? Many years ago, my grandfather showed me an old postcard (circa 1960s) from the site now known as Sanatorium "Ukraine" and became very sad when he told my father that he used to "hide" behind the statues in the foreground of the photo show on the left of this page:

http://www.tourism.crimea.ua/eng/otdih/yalta/ukraina/index.html

I do not have any more information on my family's history as my grandfather changed his name before arriving in the United States out of fear of retribution by the Stalinist government and would not divulge more out of lingering fear. It was suspected that the French government made these arrangements for my grandfather in Constantinople where he lived for several years after escaping Crimea.  Everything remains a mystery (my grandfather died in 1977) but I think a key clue to finding out more about my family's history is knowing what stood on these grounds before the site was apparently destroyed in WWII save for the statues and steps leading up to the present sanatorium building. My father believes this site may have been his home.

Once again, any help is greatly appreciated.

AlexG