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Discussions about Russian History => Imperial Russian Antiques => Topic started by: Almedingen on February 14, 2004, 01:01:44 PM

Title: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Almedingen on February 14, 2004, 01:01:44 PM
I thought it would be interesting for everyone to tell about the Romanov antiques/souvenirs that they own.

When I was in St. Petersburg back in 1995, I was in a book store/antique store and I told them that I was interested in anything they had on the Romanovs.  You can imagine my astonishment when they brought out a coronation book for Nicholas and Alexandra.  The book is a small, paper, pamphlet-type of book about 20 pages in length and conains many rare photos of all the members of the royal family at the time of the coronation.  

Bob, if you want me to scan this in so we can put it on your website, let me know.  I think people would enjoy looking at it. :)
Title: http://www.alexanderpalace.org/wedding/
Post by: RobMoshein on February 14, 2004, 03:41:31 PM
I am fortunate to have a few interesting items.

The first is a pristine copy of the actual program for the wedding of Nicholas and Alexandra. This program was not a souvenir item per se, as it was intended for use by those attending the wedding itself.  It is a deep red leather binder with the Imperial Eagle embossed in gold outside, and lined in light blue moire silk.  Inside, in French and Russian, is a detailed schedule of the events of the wedding, telling participants where to gather, the order of procession, the exact events of the day in chronological order, and the order of reception of guests afterwards and where guests were to wait to be received. You can read my translation of the French section here:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/wedding/

The second item is an original program from the Bolshoi Theatre in Moscow from the night of Nicholas II's Coronation command performance of "La Vie Pour La Tsar" and "La Perle". It is a white leather binder with a beautiful full color Imperial Eagle embossed on the outside, and again lined in moire silk, with a red silk ribbon place marker. It is filled with beautiful lithograph engravings by leading artists of the day.

I also have two original menus from the Coronation festivities, a dinner menu from the first night, and a supper menu from the last night, both again with oustanding lithograph engravings. The first night menu is in a Pan Slavic Gothic revival style, the other is a rather "Victorian" rendering of Moscow and the Kremlin.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Forum Admin on February 23, 2004, 08:54:58 AM
Both Nicholas II and Alexandra Feodrovna kept a book in which they recorded every piece of jewelry they owned, including the date and place they got it and from whom.  His jewel book has been published, so if your cross is indeed recorded in the book, it was likely to have been his. If not, it would otherwise be very difficult to establish a genuine provenance for the piece.  
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Almedingen on February 25, 2004, 09:15:02 AM
Konstantin,

I'd like to hear more of your stories.

Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 26, 2004, 01:43:32 PM
The jewel book should not be too hard to find. I have seen it in used book stores, remainder shelves and plenty of web sites [amazon, bookfinders, half.com,etc.
Also, I would like to read more stories of your grandfather's adventurs as a diplomat in the Soviet era. Fascinating.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: BobAtchison on March 04, 2004, 09:29:49 AM
It is true that the Communist authorities gave presents of the former posessions of the Imperial family and their jewels to people, institutions and governments.  They also took many, many things for themselves.  This 'looting' by the communists of things for their own personal use started right after the revolution and continued for decades.  In Russia I saw a very long and detailed list of items taken/stolen/expropriated by communist/Soviet officials from the Alexander Palace that was compiled by museum workers and sent to the security organs for action.  You can imagine what must have happened to the people who wrote the report....

As we know it ibeen reported the sister of Trotsky claimed to own a blue diamond ring that used to belong to the Grand Duchess Tatiana.

Konstantin - further information from your relative would be most appreciated!

Bob
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Sarai on March 04, 2004, 10:34:03 AM
Konstantin,
I have a copy of the afore-mentioned "jewel book" (The Jewel Album of Tsar Nicholas II) and have looked through it in order to find the items that you have mentioned. I couldn't find a gold ring, but there are two gold crosses shown.

The first, listed as No. 20, has the earliest date recorded in the book, and the inscription next to it reads: "From Apapa. 1879." "Apapa" was Nicholas's maternal grandfather, King Christian IX of Denmark. The book notes that this is "a six-pointed cross." The second gold cross, No. 33, has the following inscription written next to it: "From Uncle Paul and Alix. 4th June 1889." Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich was the youngest son of Tsar Alexander II, and Alix was his wife, the Grand Duchess Alexandra Georgievna. This cross was received as a gift on the occasion of their wedding.

If you'd like, I can e-mail you a picture of the pages in the book containing the drawings of these two crosses to see if any one of them is the one your grandfather was given. However, keep in mind that Nicholas only recorded the jewelry he owned in his jewel book until the year 1913. So if they do not happen to match, even though it would be harder to prove the claim that it actually belonged to Nicholas, it would still be possible if he received it after 1913 and thus went unrecorded.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: masha on March 06, 2004, 09:28:54 PM
Konstantin!

I just remembered a description of the last Tsar’s baptismal cross that was given by his youngest sister, Grand Duchess Olga in The Last Grand Duchess by Ian Vorres pp. 21-22 :
Even Nicky was once so hungry that he committed a sacrilege… Every child of the Romanov family had a gold cross given it at its baptism. The cross was hollow and filled with beeswax. An infinitesimal relic of the True Cross was embedded in the wax.  ‘…He opened his cross and ate the contents – relic and all. Later he felt very ashamed of himself but admitted that it had tasted ‘immorally good.’ I was the only one who knew about it…My eldest brother’s sacrilege did not shock us at all. I just laughed, and later whenever we had something nice to eat we would whisper to each other, ‘It’s immorally good,’ and nobody knew our secret.”
If your cross opens and is hollow, then you are on to something big! But, even if it does not meet that description, it could still very well have been in the possession of the imperial family where it once adorned a wall or night table. Hope this helps you – and all the best!
Masha
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: BobAtchison on March 07, 2004, 11:35:05 AM
Tatiana had a collection of antique crosses - a few months ago one of them from the collection was on sale on Ebay.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: BobAtchison on March 08, 2004, 09:26:57 AM
Konstantin:

The problem you face is that you must prove the piece's origin before it would accepted as having belonged to Nicholas II.

This is not always easy!  I hope that you have found it.

Bob
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Luke T. on March 08, 2004, 10:28:20 PM
While my momento is not rare, it is an incredible conversation piece.  

I have an enameled beaker, otherwise known as the Cup of Sorrow, which were handed out after the Coronation festivities at Khodinka field.  

I purchased it in London in 1993 for 5 pounds.  

Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: masha on March 09, 2004, 01:23:37 AM
Konstantin - all i can say is wow!!!!!

As Bob says, you still have a ways to go up the hill to verify that it was worn by the Tsar or if indeed it was his baptismal cross - as all the royal family were given these, so it could have belonged to another member of that big family, or it could have been one of a number in stock for future Christenings. But still, what a rarity. Forgive me for asking this, but my eyesight is very bad - were you quoted $98 thousand for it? Just making sure. In any event, I am very happy for you, Konstantin!!

Masha
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: masha on March 09, 2004, 08:34:33 PM
Dear Konstantin

To me on a personal level $98,000 is alot of money, I mean we paid that much for our first house - but for something like what you have, I would say that it should be worth at least that much. I would also caution you on sending anything that valuable anywhere - take it personally. Also, i would suggest you find a number of opinions, starting with some of the experts at some of the better known auction houses - such as Sotheby's and Christies. Morover, check with some of the big Jewellers - like Cartier. In other words, I'm NOT trying to disuade you from seeking expert advice in Russia (far from it) but being a research professional, I say that one always seeks out more than one source to verify accuracy. Another way to is to check your local library for any books about anitque hallmarks. I truly wish you all the best!
masha
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Nick_Nicholson on March 10, 2004, 08:46:48 AM
Dear Konstantin et al.

I was the Russian Specialist at Christie's in New York for several years, and I am afraid that probably no one, including the researchers at the Hermitage or the Diamond Fund of the Russian Federation (and certainly not the experts at Christie's and Sotheby's) will be able to help you confirm the provenance.

If the piece was the baptismal cross for the heir, there might be a bill in the archives of His Majesty's cabinet for a piece if it were ordered new for the Tsarevitch.  

Unless you have complete documentation on the piece, from its earliest bill (with a description), to the presentation of the piece to your grandfather (again with an accompanying description) it will be impossible to prove that the pieve belonged to Nicholas, or inded, any member of the Imperial Family.

Best,

Nick Nicholson
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 10, 2004, 10:06:41 AM
Those crosses were pretty common in Orthodox families. I still have mine-somewhere. And it had nothing to do with the Romanovs ! In the case of the Romanovs, if they came  directly from the Palace, they probably had stocks of them.
A priest I know once even made the comment "If every sliver of every one of those crosses wre put back together, it could probably rebuild Noah's ark!".
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Valmont on March 11, 2004, 02:40:01 PM
 Konstanin,
   I think you are getting the wrong picture, no one is telling you  your cross is a fake. Everybody is just filling in with their experience hoping  it could be of some help  in your endeavor for finding the true origins of your cross.
  What Robert is trying to say, is that sometimes they had many of this crosses in the palaces, and yours COULD be one of them. So far, the only thing you have is that your cross it is marked with an "N", but it means nothing without proof. I know you say one top official of the U.S.S.S.R. gave it to your  Grandfather, but you cannot take someone's word as a fact, you need written  evidence.
Now,  putting this aside. I think you  must only consider the facts.  If you got this cross apparised at 98,000 dollars, you should contact first the person who valued it. Ask him what factors he considered to give you that amount. He certaily must know  a lot more than you and me on the subject. And I agree with Nick and Bob, you still have a long way up the hill to  find some  REAL EVIDENCE of this piece in particular. to probe it belonged to Nicholas.
Best of luck ....

Arturo Vega-Llausás
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: masha on March 12, 2004, 12:34:00 AM
Quote
Dear Konstantin

To me on a personal level $98,000 is alot of money, I mean we paid that much for our first house - but for something like what you have, I would say that it should be worth at least that much. I would also caution you on sending anything that valuable anywhere - take it personally. Also, i would suggest you find a number of opinions, starting with some of the experts at some of the better known auction houses - such as Sotheby's and Christies. Morover, check with some of the big Jewellers - like Cartier. In other words, I'm NOT trying to disuade you from seeking expert advice in Russia (far from it) but being a research professional, I say that one always seeks out more than one source to verify accuracy. Another way to is to check your local library for any books about anitque hallmarks. I truly wish you all the best!
masha


Hi Konstantin!
My apologies for being so inarticulate and such a sloppy writer! I only just reviewed now what I first wrote to you a few days ago and noticed today my typing error - I've modified my original posting to read: "In other words, I am NOT trying to disuade you..."  I'm so sorry for the misunderstanding and please forgive me for making you so upset - it was not my intent, and as I really am not an expert in antiques, I should have really kept quiet. Also, I meant to say that I wanted to be sure that I was reading 98 thousand dollars, and not just 98 dollars. ;D
O.K. that's all from me, and please remember that I am really excited for you! Wishing you much prosperity, happiness and above all, peace of mind

Yours
Masha
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Valmont on March 12, 2004, 05:43:24 PM
Konstantin,
   Please do not take me wrong, but by reading what you have posted, I get the idea you are kind of naive in some ways, which is not bad, but it makes you see things in an easier and simpler way than they really they are.
I did some "Homework", and I have to agree with Nick Nicholson. Unless you have complete documentation of the piece from the its earliest bill to the presentation of the cross to your Granfather, (Everything had to be documented), it will be practically impossible to probe your cross indeed belonged to Nicholas II. But do not let this dispirit you in your quest.

My best wishes and Best of luck

Arturo Vega-Llausás
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Valmont on March 15, 2004, 03:35:16 PM
Does anyone has anymore Romanov Antique's / Souvenirs?
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: BobAtchison on March 15, 2004, 03:38:53 PM
Konstantin:

Why would anyone do something so crazy?  It must be a child playing a joke on you!

How would anybody know a telephone number to call you on?

Bob
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Valmont on March 15, 2004, 04:12:47 PM
It is either a joke, or we have been played by Konstantin.
Everything sounds like taken out of a novel.
1.- The finding of the unknown treasure
2.- The research to probe its origins
3.- The warning from the mystery man (Which by the way, is Russian)
The only thing missing is the dead body laying in the living room's  floor.   ;)
No offense, Konstantin, but somehow, something just does not feel right.
Nevertheless, what is a novel, but a reflect of life itself.

Arturo Vega-Llausás
Title: Romanov Noir
Post by: _Rodger_ on March 15, 2004, 04:32:45 PM
I expect Sam Spade will arrive on the scene momentarily in a trenchcoat, but only after the lights are mysteriously shut off and we hear a blood curdling scream . . .

;)

For the younger folks here, Sam Spade was a character out of novels written by Dashiel Hammet, and was portrayed by the late Humphrey Bogart in some wonderful 1940s movies.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Konstantin on March 17, 2004, 03:06:36 AM
To Whom it May Concern

I do appologize for responding so late but i did not have time. Apparently the Russian guy that called was my grandfather himself who tried to make fun of my research of the cross. It is sad that on this site people do not trust newcomers and visitors. I do appologize if everything i wrote seemed to you a scene for a play or novel, i am sorry. I joined this discussion because i thought that i am on to something big and i thought you could help pe find the history of the cross. Now, i do not believe that you can help me. Bob, you had a dream and it became reality, let other people make their dreams reality, too. As, for the others, who wrote those terrible comments, my grandfather really surprised me with his joke  but the problem was in me because sometimes i get things too serious. I am sorry if you got the impression that i am a liar and i will proove you that i am not. I am just a guy who has something that changed his life-the cross. If you think you can help me you can reply and we can keep in touch, but do not judge people that you have never met and have never spoken too.

Respectfully
Kostadin
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on March 17, 2004, 06:58:14 AM
Quote
Does anyone has anymore Romanov Antique's / Souvenirs?


Well, I have what i was told is a jetton from grand duchess Tatiana´s war comitte. It´s more or less heart shaped, made of silver and blue and white enamel. it has a crown on top and Tatiana´s initials. It measures 4.5 cm but as i have not any catalogue of russian medals and similars, i have never been able to see anything of the kind. Perhaps someone knows more about this things and could help me.

Antonio.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 17, 2004, 07:51:01 AM
I think I have seen those, at shops in London. But didn't know what they were. Nick is our resident expert, perhaps he would know more about it.
I have a small collection of such items, royal ciphers-in Cyrillic- with either the crown or eagle, cheaply made. some with a ribon. I was told they were sold or given away for donations. I do not think such things were actual "medals' per se.
I can't make out the ciphers, honestly, so do not pay much attention to them.
Just "cabinet curios".
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Nick_Nicholson on March 17, 2004, 08:12:52 AM
Hi there!

There are two types of "medals" we are discussing here. t\There are "Jetons" which were commemorative medals struck to celebrate events, or to acknowledge membership or contributions to organizations -- for example, GD Tatiana might have visted a hospital, and then given your "jeton" to every person in a particular ward, or everyone who checked out of the hospital might have recieved one.  Also, jetons were issused by private companies; the Trans-Siberian railway, for example, issued them to major investors, and when shown to the conductor, got them free passage.
These jetons can be very beautiful, and were often made by Faberge and other Russian makers.  There is a two-volume reference book which attempted to compile images of all imperial-issue jetons; I'll look for the citation.

THere are also "Znachki" which are tourist, or souvenir pieces which are often made of painted lead and other base metals, or which are like coins with loops.  These are frequently faked.  "Znatchki" remained popular in the soviet era -- anyone who went to the USSR will remember these tiny pins which were traded with avidity by students.

Best,

nick
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 17, 2004, 08:21:14 AM
I am sure what I have are the latter. I found them at flea markets in Bulgaria, and fortunately, paid very little for them. The only thing that attracted me to them was the double eagle/split crown.  It seems odd that they would be reproduced, as they are so cheap, why bother ?
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Nick_Nicholson on March 17, 2004, 08:24:31 AM
Not to sound snide, but so people like you and I will buy them.

They cost nothing to make, are easy to mark up, and are a cinch to sell.

best,

nick
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Forum Admin on March 17, 2004, 09:06:50 AM
Konstantin;
Please do not take offense. We don't think that anyone here thought you were lying or writing a play, or anything of the sort. I think you mis-understood several "jokes" which were not really intended to be at your expense.

The truth is, that there ARE people posting here, like Nick, who have many years of expert experience with proving the provenance of Russian Imperial items, who were trying to share with you the reality that PROVING Nicholas II owned your cross is going to be a genuinely difficult thing to do. No one is trying to crush your dream, but we all are trying to actually help you by understanding that many many people have gone down the same road you are now going down, virtually all of whom end up disappointed. Perhaps Nick can share with us how many items showed up in his office purporting to be Imperial property, and the percentage of which really WERE vs those which were not proven....

As the Admin, I assure you that EVERY person who posts here in an honest and genuine fashion is most welcome and will be treated with the same respect and courtesy. We are all free to disagree respectfully with others, or to agree, here, and all are welcome. Please continue to join in with us.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Nick_Nicholson on March 17, 2004, 11:46:52 AM
Dear All,


Every field has it's "holy grail." When I was at Christie's in the French Furniture department, three or four times a day I got calls from people who said that they had "a chair that belonged to Marie Antoinette."  In three years in French, only once did it turn out to be true.

When I moved to Russian, the call changed to "I have a Faberge Egg."  That was only true two or three times when someone had a miniature egg by Faberge.  Once, the specialist in the department before me received shattered eggshells in the mail, with a letter asking for an insurance appraisal, since the "Anastastia Egg" had been destroyed, and the client wanted to collect insurance.

Konstantin, I am not for once second comparing you to these people.  If your grandfather was a person of influence in Yugoslavia during the Soviet period, his chances of having recieved something of value from a Soviet Minister is certainly strong.  I sold several paintings, pieces of silver, and bits of jewelery from descendants of Egyptian, Swedish, Korean and American diplomats who worked with the Soviets -- however, in each case, the presentation was accompanied by a letter from the Societ Government explaining what the piece was, and where it came from.

Provenance is very important to the value of the piece, and pieces which are sold with provenances "by repute" or "said to be from the collections of" are many.

Good luck with your research.  I hope the Russian federation can help you.  If your cross turnes out to have been Nicholas II's baptismal cross, you will have more on your hands than an antique; you will have a relic, which should be accorded the respect it deserves.

Best,

nick
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on March 17, 2004, 12:06:36 PM
Thanks  a lot Nick and Robert for your information!. What i have is a jeton, i bought it for its beauty and for being related to g.d.Tatiana. It´s not made by Faberge and, of course,  i´ve never thought it being her property but something presented( might it be by herself?) to people working for her comitte. However i have no document to certify this.
Antonio.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Konstantin on March 19, 2004, 02:59:35 AM
Dear Mr.Nicholson and Mr.Hall

Thank you for offering your help. I do appreciate it.

Best Regards
Konstantin
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 19, 2004, 03:06:43 AM
You are most kindly welcomed, Konstantin. I wish you well.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Valmont on March 30, 2004, 05:36:28 PM
 Has anyone run into any Romanov Antiques, or knows of someone who owns some?
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Nick_Nicholson on March 31, 2004, 10:22:53 AM
Valmont,

See page one of this forum.

Nick
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 23, 2004, 06:16:36 PM
My only thing dating from tsarist time apart from books, is a kopeck from 1915. Very nice! :)
I would love to own.. an original Romanov photo/CDV someday...

Elisa :) :)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Glebb on May 06, 2004, 09:46:09 PM
I am the proud owner of one of the coronation beakers, and it was a very exciting moment when I stood near the foot of the Red Staircase at the Kremlin. ;D
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Onegin on May 07, 2004, 04:30:38 AM
Hallo everybody!!!

My nickname was Konstantin before and i asked for advices regarding the cross my family possess. I would like to inform you that the cross with 20 other imperial items given to Yugoslav diplomats in USSR were sent to Kremlin two weeks ago and presumably we will have the results in month or two. Among the other items were pearl necklase and diamond broche, all of them presumably in former belonging of the Imperial Family. I will post the results as soon as i receive them. I would like to thank everyone for the help they offered me.

Best Regards
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Valmont on May 07, 2004, 01:00:06 PM
Konstantin..
How nice to hear from you. The best of luck with your cross. I hope the outcome of this endevour will be satisfactory for you.

Best regards,


Arturo Vega-Llausás
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Sunny on June 04, 2004, 10:31:27 PM
I have a Coronation beaker, a St. George cross medal, a medal given for Zeal, and a Tercentenary jeton. My dream is to one day own a Nicholas autograph. Does anyone here have one?

Sunny
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: ChristineM on June 05, 2004, 02:37:16 PM
One of our finest treasures is a kopek dated 1898.   It was found in the cave church of the Feodorovsky Sobor and gifted to us.

Only one kopek, but it is priceless.

tsaria
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Onegin on June 22, 2004, 06:26:30 AM
Today after almost a month i received an information on the origin of one of the Jewels that belonged to the Russian Imperial Court. The black pearls donated by a Russian diplomat to the Yugoslavian Ambasador Gojko Sekuloski in the 1960's were in formal belongings of a person named Marina Petrovna, a russian noble. The pearls were given to her in 1907 for her 15th Birthday. I have no further information of this person since the official documents have not been sent yet. The cross, that i so many times talked about is the most problematic one. We sent it with all documents but from the archives they tell us that we are missing some kind of stamp. We do not know what is going to happen. I will post the future info as fast as i can,

Regards
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: livadiarose on June 23, 2004, 08:37:52 PM
I have a plate from the Livadia Palace, marked with a green cypher on the bottom: H II 1909.

It has a mauve and gold border with LIVADIA in the same color painted with many flourishes in cyrillic.

I'd like to think that maybe the Imperial family dined on it. It's not in the best condition but that doesn't really matter to me.

I'm guessing it wasn't used for formal occasions but rather for everyday use.

Alia
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: george on September 15, 2004, 02:56:43 PM
Hello
my family is owning some memorys of russia and we're proud of them because they show that we have served russia. I don't think that they are Romanov Items. The problem with these things is that my grandfather was not telling much about russia after they left russia in 1917. For him this was the past. So we have some things but don't know the story behind. For example a piano with a 8 cm diameter imperial eagle inside, a banknote written "with best wishes - nikolai" on it, some cuttlery with the double headed eagle and things like that. If somebody wants more infprmation you can ask.
But to all who own stuff like that: it is not the material value it is the idealistic value in these things witch makes them worth to keep.

greetings joerg
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: karin on September 22, 2004, 05:47:46 PM



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I have two pieces of jewlery that were purchased in SanFrancisco in the late 1930's.  They were engagement presents to my grandmother from her second husband.  She told me that they were bought from a "very good jewelry dealer" and were part of a vast collection of semi-precious jewelry once owned by Alexandra and/or the Grand Duchesses.  The jewelry was sold off to dealers by the Revolutionary government.  Anyway that is what she believed but she also said to me that the "grain of salt" was that lots of things were sold by dealers at that time with the same story.  I had the peices looked at by someone at Samuels jewelery in San Francisco and he verified that they are from the correct era and definitly European, not American.  One is a ring, an emerald cut garnet in a simple but high-carat gold setting.  The other piece is a necklace, a cross made of round garnets in an "invisible" setting.  It is very delicate and I don't wear it but I wear the ring all the time, mostly in memeory of my grandmother (she raised me) but I do admit that I love the legend behind them and it is fun to believe that they once belonged to the Imperial Family.  Just thought I'd share the story . . .  
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: alithere0 on September 30, 2004, 03:13:26 PM
I own four watercolors by Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna and one oil.   I purchased them from two auction houses based in Copenhagen.  As art they are merely "decorative", but the historical, romantic association is the real appeal.  Three of the pictures are forest scenes; in fact, two picture her "favorite" tree.  Two of the watercolors are a "matching" set of potted flowers set on a window.  The oil is another forest scene from her time in Denmark.

I also own a page, probably from an autograph book, signed by "Nicky" and "Alix".  Above their signatures the Tsar wrote "Darmstadt" and the date.  The IF were there to attend the wedding of the couple who would become the parents of Prince Philip.  Above N and A's signature there are two signatures, "Dmitri" and "Marie".  I wonder if these are the signatures of G.D. Serge and Elizabeth's "foster children".  There are other signatures on both sides of the page that either I can't decipher or do not recognize.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: pushkina on October 05, 2004, 08:21:11 AM
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While my momento is not rare, it is an incredible conversation piece.  

I have an enameled beaker, otherwise known as the Cup of Sorrow, which were handed out after the Coronation festivities at Khodinka field.  

I purchased it in London in 1993 for 5 pounds.  




when we were in las vegas in december 2002, there was a big exhibition at the venetian there from the hermitage and las vegas had gone romanov.  in the bellagio there was a boutique of romanov items, including a beaker and a cup w/handle (or a  pitcher) (i believe) from the khodynka meadows.  the sellers seemed reputable and they had papers to prove provenance.

i wanted it soooo badly; i was entranced by many things they had for sale but the prices!  the khdynka meadows cups mean so much.  i impressed my husband with my pitch to purchase but i knew it wasn't going to happen.

they wanted close to US$1000 for the cup w/handle / pitcher and US$800 for the beaker.

if yours is real, you definitely got a bargain!
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Alicky1872 on October 07, 2004, 05:33:19 AM
Does anyone own any actual photographs of the Romanovs (or other Royal Families) or letters written by them? These things I find really interesting. The jewels, crosses and such are nice, but as many people have stated previously, it's so hard to proove they actually belonged to the Romanovs. :(
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Jane on October 08, 2004, 03:15:18 PM
No photos, no Faberge, nothing of that nature.  I do have a number of Imperial ruble notes from between 1903 and 1910.  My late stepfather collected all sorts of coins and notes (he was not a serious collector at all), and he gave them to me, so I have a number of interesting (and undoubtedly worthless) items--francs from right after WWII, the old Imperial rubles, stuff like that.  
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Alicky1872 on October 09, 2004, 04:32:58 PM
My most prized Royal posession is a cabinet photo from Darmstadt, of "Ella" Grand Duchess Serge with her sister Princess Victoria of Hesse and their uncle, "Bertie" Prince of Wales! :)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Scott on October 09, 2004, 08:33:00 PM
One of the things I own is a letter from Tsarevich Alexander (future Alexander III) to a Count Ivanovich in 1870.  The letter is written in the hand of a secretary, but is signed by Alexander:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/AlexanderIIIDocumentandPhoto-compressed.jpg)

A translation is as follows:

Count Alexander Ivanovich.  In the past year, doctors found it necessary to take my children to the sea this summer, and when in March the place of residence was supposed to be selected on the Baltic Sea, I suggested Gapsal, as a place not only beneficial for health, but also the place, which left the most gratifying memories thanks to, of course, the time spent at dacha, which Countess de-la Gardi, who passed away, used to place at our disposal without fail.

Grand Duchess and I, as we found out about your willingness to offer us your home for the next summer as well, were anticipating the benefit and pleasure of staying there, but God wished to test us, what forces us to refuse your kind offer: it is impossible for Tsearevna to go to Gapsal alone; I, due to my military service, have to stay at camp; that is why we decided, that she and our son will set off for Denmark, where, as doctors assure, staying at the sea will be just as beneficial for the child; and the Grand Duchess will find consolation in her sorrow amongst her family.

Thus, we apologize to you and Countess for inconvenience, and ask you to kindly extend your hospitality, if next year our son has necessity to spend a summer in Gapsal.

Please convey to the Countess deepest regard from me and Tsesarevna.

With sincere respect and gratitude,
Yours Alexander.


The 10th day of May, 1870
Tsarskoe Selo
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Alicky1872 on October 10, 2004, 07:08:53 AM
Wow Scott--that really is amazing! And the cabinet photo of him next to the letter makes it even more wonderful! Do you mind me asking where you found that? Thank you for sharing your letter and photo with us, and for taking the time to translate the letter into English! :) I own 2 signed letters, one from Princess Thyra of Denmark (Empress Marie's (Minny's) sister) to her piano teacher, and a signed card from Irene, (Princess of Hesse) Princess Heinrich on the occasion of Prince Heinrich's death, thanking someone for their condolences.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Scott on October 10, 2004, 04:03:37 PM
I'm a long time collector of Imperial Russian items.  I bought the letter from a Russian dealer in Chicago several years ago, and bought the photo from a dealer in Atlanta around the same time.

I have other documents that I'll try to post later.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: mjg933 on October 11, 2004, 12:30:32 PM
I own a dinner table napkin in white linen damask, embroided with monogram of Nicholas II at the corners, Imperial eagles, crossed scepters and swords under crowns, dated at the corners 1910/1911 The napkin is in excellent condition.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Noble on November 30, 2004, 03:37:04 AM
In Stockholm, Sweden, a russian auction will be held in December at Stockholms Auktionsverk founded 1674. In the catalogue you will find some interesting pieces with imperial provenance, for example lot 217 a silver tray of Grand Duke Sergei.

Website: www.auktionsverket.se


Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: londo954 on December 10, 2004, 10:37:19 PM
I have a 1916 Imperial Russian War Bond...drawn off a New York bank with teh premium tickets removed up to November 1917 LOL Gee  I wonder why that one was never redeemed ;D
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: missmoldavite on December 31, 2004, 06:32:12 AM
Can someopne confirm or not whether this piece I am about to discuss was actually owned by the "Dreaded Uncle" (sorry if my spelling is innacurate...do update me is so)

Its a 3 panelled tryptich. Silver with Mother of Pearl  with enameling over the top of the Mother of Pearl. Small enough to fit in the pocket over the breast. Apparently it was put in the pocket over the breast before going to war.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: missmoldavite on December 31, 2004, 06:33:45 AM
I have one of those war bonds too.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: felix on January 03, 2005, 12:25:07 AM
In 1993 while on vacation  a man stopped me outside the Catherine palace and told me about a show on the Romanov's  in town. I got posters of Nicholas II and one of the IF.  They had photos of the Paley family and other things. I think my posters where 75 year anniversary momentos.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: missmoldavite on January 08, 2005, 05:29:59 AM
What would a carved malachite faberge bear be worth, on today's market?.
(It has been confirmed by Sotheby's some time ago as being authentic faberge, the lady who used to work for Sotheby's at the time is a good friend of my father's).
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Forum Admin on January 08, 2005, 09:47:10 AM
I have no idea WHY you put this here. It has no relation to the thread, and frankly this forum is not really a commercial center. At the very least it should have been a new topic, or in a Faberge thread.

There are many places you  can contact for this information.
Start with Wartski in London and A La Vielle Russie in New York, Sotheby and Christie's auction houses as well.

Your bear, even if genuine, is not of Imperial Romanov Provenance. Please try to keep postings ON TOPIC

Thanks.
FA
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: missmoldavite on January 10, 2005, 07:37:37 AM
Apologies - you are offended?
I am sorry, I was told it was part of the romanov collection. That is why I posted. Obviously you know all there is to know about the background information regarding faberge animal carved figures for the Royal family, so obviously you must know more than I, a mere woman who is asking out of curiosity, and for her father. ???
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Casa on January 11, 2005, 09:00:13 PM
Greetings from Australia.

I am having much trouble sourcing good reference books re: the Romanov estate, in particular I am interested in the said jewellery that was sold off to the public, or as it were 'looted' by authorities. I have been able to buy one book over Amazon.com but it was unfortunately published in Russian. I am unable to read Russian (as much as I would like to!).

You see, I have in my possesion one diamond ring. The diamonds are definately real, and this ring is very pretty. There are seperate diamonds surrounding a bigger one in the centre, shaped to form a flower. The ring itself is quite big, but very pretty. I am much in favour of it, and fear that if it is a stolen ring.. then maybe it doesn't really belong to me??

:-[
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 11, 2005, 09:04:39 PM
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I do have a number of Imperial ruble notes from between 1903 and 1910.  
I do too. Mine range from 1897 to 1919 and most have pictures of the emperors like Catherine II, Alexander III and Nicholas II. Someone gave them to me as a gift when I visited Russia.

(http://img51.exs.cx/img51/2815/rubles8ry.png)(http://img51.exs.cx/img51/7254/rubles27hq.png)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 11, 2005, 09:14:33 PM
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I have in my possesion one diamond ring. The diamonds are definately real, and this ring is very pretty. There are seperate diamonds surrounding a bigger one in the centre, shaped to form a flower. The ring itself is quite big, but very pretty. I am much in favour of it, and fear that if it is a stolen ring.. then maybe it doesn't really belong to me??

 :-[
Oh wait a minute, I think this ring is mine! J/K   ;D

I am not sure if you will be able to find the owner at this point, so just enjoy it.  :)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Martyn on January 12, 2005, 04:33:27 AM
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Oh wait a minute, I think this ring is mine! J/K   ;D

I am not sure if you will be able to find the owner at this point, so just enjoy it.  :)


No Helen you are mistaken, the ring is mine as I lost it on a recent trip to the outback! LOL
Helen is of course quite right.  The ring is quite legally yours and you should suffer no pangs of conscience as to ownership of it.  May I ask why you think that it has an Imperial provenance? It sounds like a delightful jewel.  Follow Helen's advice and enjoy it.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: doppie on March 06, 2005, 12:45:34 PM
 i have many romanov souvenirs:
white porcelain presentation easter egg with the cipher  of the last tsarina alexandra feodorovna
khodinka cup coronation beaker 1896
dessert coupe fedorovsk brothers (uranium glas) circa 1850 for the cottage at peterhof
medaillon 1900 tsar nicholas and tsarine alexandra
plate tsar nicholas 2 visit french  1896
buste tsar nicholas 2 1917 felix maurice charpentier
double micro mosaic frame last tsar and tsarina market italy 1900
coronation plate (silver?) 1896
also not old a beautiful icon from beloved aleksej (julia stankova)
also not old beautiful icon beloved tsar nicholas 2 (julia stankova
box officer tsar nicholas 2 with double headed eagle
mustard tin box with portrait tsar nicholas 2

Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Tsaritsa on March 09, 2005, 04:05:21 AM
I have a friend from the Ukraine.  He knows my passion for the Romanovs and Nicholas II in particular.  Every year he visits the Ukraine for several months.  In 2001 he asked me what I would like my gift to be.  I said something gold with Nicholas.  Little did I dream of the treasure he would bring me, a gold Russian ruble.  It is 5 rubles.  Nicholas is on the front and the back is the Russian Imperial double-headed eagle.  It is from 1898.  The edge of the coin has Cyrillic lettering.  He set it in a gold bezel and I wear it on a pendant.  I never take it off.  

I cried when he gave it to me.  To own this lovely coin means so much to me.  For years, I have been fascinated by Russian history, especially NAOTMAA.  They are close to my heart and so is my beautiful ruble.  I will treasure it always.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Eurohistory on March 22, 2005, 10:11:32 AM
I have alarge collection of Romanov-owned photos in my royal collection.  Among them are photos from the collections of: Queen Olga of Greece, the Dowager Empress, Grand Duchesses Xenia, Olga, Maria Pavlovna, Helen Vladimirovna, Maria Pavlovna Jr, Victoria Feodorovna, Kira Kirillovna and Maria Vladimirovna, as well as photos from the collections of Grand Dukes Nicholas Nikolaievich Jr, Michael Mikhailovich and Vladimir Kirilovich.  I also have seven paintings by Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, as well as one which was sold to me as an "Olga" but it turned out to be a fuax.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on March 27, 2005, 12:20:33 PM
I have tons of books, as well as an ikon from Russia with them on it. I recently got some Russian produced postcards of OTMAA. Here is a picture.
(http://img219.exs.cx/img219/5827/familytwo1214043ma.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: penny on April 06, 2005, 03:41:41 PM
HI. MY MOTHER OWNS A SMALL GOLD BALL   (WORN ON A CHAIN) WHICH WAS GIVEN TO MY GT GT AUNT WHO WAS A GOVERNESS TO THE ROMANOV CHILDREN, APPARANTLY SHE WAS GIVEN SEVERAL ITEMS- A SMALL PISTOL, A CARRIAGE CLOCK, BUT IF ANY OF THESE ARE STILL IN THE FAMILY I AM NOT AWARE.
THE BALL IS VERY INTERESTING HOWEVER. IT HAS WRITING ON IT PRESUMABLY IN RUSSIAN BUT I CANT FIND THE CHARACTERS ON THR RUSSIAN KEYBOARD. IT IS HARD TO READ BUT HERE GOES.
konda Jembw Usbopmra morda npabda monumme.
IM SORRY IF THAT MAKES NO SENSE I TRIED TO FIND THE CHARACTERS CLOSEST. IT WAS TRANSLATED YEARS AGO BY A POLISH MAN- 'MONEY SPEAKS THE TRUTH IS SILENT' WAS HIS SUJJESTION. PLEASE HELP! ALSO NO RECORDS OF THE GOVERNESS JANE COVELL. SHE APPARANTLY LEFT BEFORE THE LAST YEARS BUT.....
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: koloagirl on April 07, 2005, 04:23:12 PM

:D

I have a lovely very small watercolor (bookmark really) that was done by GD Xenia Feodorovna (Nikki's sister) - it has her estate stamp on the back of it.  I treasure it immensely!  :D
Janet R.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: parisboy67 on November 02, 2005, 02:28:59 PM
Well, this isnt exactly Romanov but it is a piece of their history. I own a harp made by Erard in Paris. The harp was made in 1809 and was Purchased in 1812 by the Grande Dutchess Hesse Darmstadt, mother to the Empress of Russia. The provinance is so direct as I have a copy of the Register of Erard from this period showing the Harp and the Purchaser. This would be considered a Romanov item sorta kinda no? And who here knows who to talk to about value for insurance purposes, seems hard to find a person who is an expert for these items such as musical Instruments?? Help
the harp is actually very simple, but at the time period , these harps were only bought by the Rich and the Nobles etc. I guess i call it simple looking as I have other harps that are much more decorated than this one is. Oh well! I love this piece just as much! how do you put a photo on here?

Jay the Newbie!! (http://)(http://)(http://)(http://)ftp://http://(http://)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: David_Pritchard on November 05, 2005, 01:50:43 PM
I have owned artifacts from the Imperial House:

A Pavel Bure presentation watch from the reign of Nicholas II.

An extremely large and heavy platter from the Polar Star made during the reign of Aleksander II.

Plates, cups, saucers, creamer etc. from an Imperial service made originally in the reign of Nicholas I, but my pieces were replacements made during the reigns of Aleksander III and Nicholas II. The service is white with gilt rims and a black imperial eagle with its wings down.

A dozen court circulars from the reigns of Nicholas I and Aleksander II announcing the Imperial appointments for the day.

A half dozen heavy Faberge dinner forks from a Grand Duke. I cannot remember exactly which one.

David
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Margarita Markovna on November 07, 2005, 07:04:27 PM
Have owned? You don't anymore?
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Decadence on January 08, 2006, 07:31:29 AM
For Christmas just gone I recieved, to my suprise, an Imperial Russian beaker/mug celebrating the coronation of the Tsar and Tsarina, it is pride of place in my shrine of a bedroom lol  ;D
I shall take a picture for you to brighten this corner of the forum a bit lol!

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/TheLastTsarina/ImperialBeaker.jpg

I just remembered when I went to my room that I also have a Russian Doll especially made for me last christmasd with the Immediate Imperial Family in age order - Nicky, Alix, Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, Alexei, and the smallest, a little King Charles Spaniel :) have a look :)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/TheLastTsarina/TsarsRussianDoll.jpg

And I also remembered I have this silver bowl with three carved pictures on its sides, one is a double headed eagle and the others depict places by the looks of it, but I dont recognise them. Does anyone here know where they are supposed to be, or if this bowl is Russian at all? :)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/TheLastTsarina/SilverBowl.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/TheLastTsarina/Silverbowl2.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/TheLastTsarina/silverbowl4.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/TheLastTsarina/Silverbowl3.jpg

xx

Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Decadence on January 08, 2006, 07:44:00 AM
Oh yes, and I also have an original rouble note with Tsar Alexander III on it, but I can't remember where it is or how much its worth :S
xx
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 08, 2006, 08:02:36 AM
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It is true that the Communist authorities gave presents of the former posessions of the Imperial family and their jewels to people, institutions and governments.  They also took many, many things for themselves.  This 'looting' by the communists of things for their own personal use started right after the revolution and continued for decades.  In Russia I saw a very long and detailed list of items taken/stolen/expropriated by communist/Soviet officials from the Alexander Palace that was compiled by museum workers and sent to the security organs for action.  You can imagine what must have happened to the people who wrote the report....

As we know it ibeen reported the sister of Trotsky claimed to own a blue diamond ring that used to belong to the Grand Duchess Tatiana.


Doesn't that just make you sick? that they should own own or wear anything that was once the property of the IF!  >:(

If only these things could talk.... :D

I am very fortunate that my Dad was once an auctioneer and he kept loads of lovely things pertaining to Queen Victorias family and now he has given them to me. I feel very lucky :) :)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: trvlmen on February 03, 2006, 01:18:21 PM
Hello,

This is my firrst time here.  I have aomething I would like to see if is original.  It is a Glass/Crystal Box--Divided--about 3" by 5"--Possibly for Cigs.  The Box has a Gold Cover--Brass??  with the Imperial Crest--Double Headed Eable Embossed.  Any Info would be Appreciated.

Thanks
Richard
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Decadence on February 04, 2006, 03:25:30 PM
could be Fabergé, are there any like hallmarks on it with double headed eagles or russian letters on it?
Cigarette cases were rather popularly made by them :)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: David_Pritchard on February 04, 2006, 10:30:21 PM
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Hello,

This is my firrst time here.  I have aomething I would like to see if is original.  It is a Glass/Crystal Box--Divided--about 3" by 5"--Possibly for Cigs.  The Box has a Gold Cover--Brass??  with the Imperial Crest--Double Headed Eable Embossed.  Any Info would be Appreciated.

Thanks
Richard


Please post a photograph or two of the object. Many Russian cut glass items were made during the 19th century through to the early 20th century with silver or silver gilt lids, handles and other mountings.

David
Title: only indirectly a Romanov souvenir
Post by: Tamara1970 on February 22, 2006, 10:05:01 PM
I inherited a gold watch chain, which I am told was given to one of my ancestors by Tsar Nicholas--I don't know whether directly or indirectly.  My grandmother at some point had the chain turned into a necklace and bracelet.  The pocket watch may or may not still be in the family--I've heard mention of it but haven't seen it.  

I've wondered if there would be a way to verify the chain's origins, but I'm guessing not.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: M_Breheny on February 27, 2006, 05:31:31 PM
Here are a couple of photographs that show my limited collection of Romanov items (not counting the hundreds of books about the Romanovs I own).  One picture is of  the two icons, one of Nicholas and the other of the family,  that I purchased in Russia last summer.  The other picture shows my pride and joy, an original 1896 coronation cup.  The photograph of the family in this picture is not old but it was purchased at the Alexander Palace.  The nesting doll, also purchased in Russia, contains other Russian rulers as well as Nicholas.
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/mbreheny/EdistoRomanovNYCetc.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/mbreheny/a103883a.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Decadence on February 28, 2006, 06:36:17 AM
OMG!  :o
Look at my last post!
I have one of those exactly the same original beakers!
[glb]PLUS[/glb]: I also have those two icons as well lol!
AND I have a Russian doll, only it was especially made for my birthday by a Russian doll makers and it has the last imperial family in it! lol!
We are practically related LOL
x
JR
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: M_Breheny on February 28, 2006, 05:22:51 PM
Dear Decadence:

I am afraid that my few Romanov items seem minor compared to your beautiful things.  Hopefully, I will be able to acquire more I.F. memorabilia in the future.  You have a wonderful collection!
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Decadence on March 04, 2006, 11:52:41 AM
*blush*
lol! it is no collection, just my priceless junk in my room  ;D

I hope to expand my collection (as I am only like 16 lol), but I think my room is an accurate representation of what my house will look like in the future :D
:-*
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: nellie on June 11, 2006, 11:28:23 AM
I was blessed to know a charming man, now deceased several years, whose name was Serge Pastuhov (b 1937, Yale grad). HIs mother was Mrs Vladimir Pastuhov, born the Countess Ouvaroff--a niece of the Princess Gagarin. She was older when Serge was born and taught Russian at a University. They had many interesting Faberge and other artel "trinkets"--plus papers, photos and books. There was no money, Serge didn't really work, so the items were sold through the years. I bought several things from an  "antique" shop where he sold  things--he was too proud to sell them to friends outright, so he would "drop a hint" when things were left  to be sold!
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: koloagirl on July 31, 2006, 02:07:48 PM
 :D

I already shared this on the thread on GD Xenia, but then thought to put it here as well - hope no-one minds!

I have had this bookmark that was painted by GD Xenia for a couple/three years now -- I purchased it from someone in England who had quite a few dibs and dabs of things (small things like this) from her estate -- long story I'm afraid!  I did my research before I purchased it and am as certain as I can be that it is genuine.

It is only about 7 inches long and 2 inches high -- but I absolutely love it -- I had it framed in museum quality backing and frame and it hangs above some other pics that I have (not original I'm afraid!) of the IF - I make sure it is out of any type of sunlight also. 

To think that this was painted by Xenia herself just blows me away -- and even tho' I know it was well after 1918, that doesn't matter a whit -- it was still the GD Xenia herself!  I hope my scan shows it well -- I had included the back so you can see the estate stamp as well. 

Enjoy!!   :D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Koloagirl/xeniapicture2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Koloagirl/xeniapicback2.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: AlexieNichole on August 01, 2006, 07:48:44 PM
Very Beautiful bookmark.  So far the only item I own is a book by Robert Massie on Nicholas and Alexandra.  Although I am looking for additional items to hopefully add.  The only other items are not from Romanov so much as they are from the Fox movie Anastasia...snowglobes, doll and musicbox

On ebay (of course) you can find reproduced photos, normally at a good price, not originals but still very nice black and whites.  Something to put into a photo album possibly.

Suzanne
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: griffh on August 07, 2006, 04:12:23 PM
An Russian expert, whose identity I promised not to reveal as he is swamped with requests to identify items, told me that this cup is a Coronation mug from Alexander III reign.  I was rather amazed as the friend who gave me the cup said that it was a Chocolate mug.  By-the-by the lady in the crowned frame in the background is the Russian Princess I am related to my marriage.

You can see that the top of the mug has been damaged as has been the pointed crown base of the cup.  I always tell friends that the top was shot off in the Revolution!  But actually the Coronation cup survived its escape from Soviet Russia in the 1930's only to be damaged by the father of my friend.  It appears he dropped the cup sometime in the 1950's whilst showing it to some interested party.     

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h65/griffh130/Cup.jpg)
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h65/griffh130/handle.jpg)(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h65/griffh130/Doubleheadedegale.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Forum Admin on August 09, 2006, 02:51:47 PM
We just found and bought an 18th century cross from the collection the Alexandra had pinned to the alcove in her prayer/passage along side the apse in the lower church of the Fydorovsky.  It had been sold in the Hammer Galleries in the sales across the USA in 1935.  They attached a silver chain to it from 1750 that came from the chapel in the Imperial bedroom at the AP.  The cross and chain came with all the documents from the 30's.  We found it on Ebay and were able to buy it fpor a great price, the sellar had a 'buy it now' option which was expensive but not too bad.  I had to have it.

That makes three things we have that were Alix's or given by her - a paperknife in birch with inlaid gold and silver, this cross and chain, and a small ikon of St. Serafim of Sarov that Alix handed out personally to troops in WWI. We have a fragment of material from the Mauve Room, some Alexander Palace plates, a big silver spoon presented at Christmas by Empress Marie to one of her servants - stuff like that.

Also, I have a large amount of soil from the grave in Yekaterinburg that Avdonin gave me in 1997 when I went there.

Bob
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: griffh on August 10, 2006, 05:05:30 PM
How wonderful that such a precious object should have found it's way back to someone who more than all others,contibuted to restoring the honor and dignity of the late Empress, Alexandra Feodorovna, not to mention the actual restoration work on her precious family home, Alexander Palace in Tzarskoe Celo.   

I am also grateful, as I am sure others that have contributed to this thread are too, that the documentation for the items purchased on ebay was mentioned as that helps to give such important context to the authenticity issues that have come up and it also helps collectors to know the kind of questions that they need to ask when contemplating a purchase. 

To me the newly aquired cross shows one that there is an invisible, yet tangible, hand which continues to govern things.  At least that is the way it seems to me and it reminds me of a story a curator told me durng the time I had an informal connection with the costume dept of the Met Mus in NYC.

He said that the Museum had recieved an 18th century gown that had been restyled into an 1870's bustle gown.  Very few of the staff at the Met believed that the gown was originally an panier gown from the 18th century.  So to prove it and becasue the gown's skirt had not been cut but merely repleated into a bustle, the curator was given permission to have the skirt carefully picked apart.  He then had the fabric pinned loosely over a manakin wearing the poper 18th century undergarments including a panier hoop.  To the amazement of everyone, the fabric gradually began to fold itself back into its original shape.  Once it the fabric was free it began to remember its original state. 

I have never forgotten that story and to me it meant that Love always guides its creation home again and as sentimental and questionable as my reasoning is, this is what I feel happened on ebay yesterday.....happy home coming....griff   
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Petrushka on September 12, 2006, 11:00:53 AM
Hi all,

Sorry to jump in so late (after everythings finished in fact).  I have just purchased two postcards one written by GD Olga and the other by GD Tatiana.  They have been purchased from a reputable business in London which specialises in royal memorabilia.  The two cards have come from the estate of Nona Kerr, Lady in Waiting to Princess Victoria of Milford Haven, sister of the Tsarina Alexandra and mother of Lord Mountbatten of Burma.
I would welcome any insights or knowledge of Nona Kerr and her relationship with the IF.
Thanks for any help you can give!
I am very very happy and also very very poor!
will get pics up asap
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Petrushka on September 25, 2006, 10:06:42 AM
As per previous here are the pics![(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/Petrushka3/DSC01565-1.jpg)][(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/Petrushka3/DSC01578.jpg)]
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 26, 2006, 04:48:31 AM
Thats very interesting! Their is some information on Nona Kerr in "Louis and Victoria, The First Mountbattens" by Richard Hough. And also I think in Hugo Vickers "Alice, Princess Andrew of Greece".

:)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Trevor on February 25, 2007, 12:07:10 PM
The only thing that is kindof related to them would be faberge. I already posted about my great grandparents in the russian imperial court and he got carl faberge to commission him a solid gold pill box with amethyst on the top. So when you push the amethyst to the right it opens the box.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Romenta on July 22, 2007, 03:35:52 PM
 :)

I own two Romanov items - one indirect and the other direct.  When I was in Estonia last year, I went to one of the oldest antique stores in Tallinn and this guy had a room full of stuff I could not believe - much from the time of Stalin and Lenin.  The place was pretty grubby and it was run by two Russian men, as everyone knows that the Estonians and Russians go to St. Petersburg and pick up stuff and take them out of the country.  I saw in a corner a silver watch with the Romanov seal and to my delight, it opened up three ways and still works.  It is quite old and the manufacturer of the watch is Swiss, which Nicholas utilized to make presentation watches.  The third compartment had a cyrillic message in it, signed by the presentator of the firm which said, "From his imperial majesty, with gratitude, to the head of his Imperial  body guard."  I have since taken it to two Russian watchmakers, who say it is real and had four more Russians translate the cyrillic, and they all come up with the same translation.  Although it never actually belonged to Nicholas (and the date of the watch was verified by the Russian watch experts here), I like to think he might have personally handed this over to this man.

My second item is a signed cabinet photo of Nicholas, signed in english, in which he was quite fluent and it is thought to have been a coronation present because of the Imperial crown on it.  It is also stamped by the court photographer and is in the original leather frame.  The piece is still up at RomanovRussia@aol.com, if anyone cares to view it.  I just haven't sent for it yet. The English signture was thought to have been done for an English guest.  It is only the second time the dealer told me he has EVER seen a signed Nicholas piece.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Cajunbrew on August 16, 2007, 07:50:30 PM
My humble collection includes coins dating from Catherine the Great to Nicholas II. My proud posession is a Khodynka Cup of Sorrows in fairly good condition which I display on my desk next to a photograph of Nicholas and Alexandra from 1896. Although I would love to own many more items, and even though many say the Khodynka cup is rather mundane, I believe this item has significant historical value. It was, after all, the gift of the Tzar to his people.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Katharine on January 25, 2008, 06:51:37 PM
I've read that there were 500,000 of the Coronation mugs made and distributed in the Khodynka field in 1896 and I was just wondering - do we have any estimation of how many may survive to this day? (Though I know it is practically impossible to put even a remotely accurate figure on this, but just out of interest, I was wondering if any estimated figure has ever been suggested).

Also, again out of interest, how many members of this forum own one?

I am the very proud owner of one myself, as of just yesterday :)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own - Coronation Cup/s
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on January 25, 2008, 09:57:12 PM
Hello, Katharine!   Congratulations on your purchase!  I am certain that it will give you pleasure for many years!  May I add some further words to your inquiry?  Undoubtedly there were MANY Coronation souvenirs made for the coronation of the Emperor Nicholas II and his Empress.  Of the cup variety, there are at least 2 well-known Russian ones.  The most commonly seen is the tin-enameled metal cup (often referred to over the years as the "Cup of Sorrows") decorated with light blue, red-orange and black on a white background.  (Forgive me , if I am a bit off in my description, as one of that variety that I own is not in my home presently, being on loan to a family member and I am doing it from memory.  I have owned it for MANY years.)  There would be a gold band near the lip of the cup.  The state arms of Russia and the Imperial initials/year as well as intricate interwoven line patterns would be on the body of the cup in a transfer-print style of application.  The condition of these cups vary (and priced accordingly) due to knocks, chipping, etc.  I have never seen a maker's mark on one of these.  (CAUTION:  boxed "legal" COPIES are being made of this cup, I believe in Germany, as copies, but they are being sold, I have heard, as the real deal by unscrupulous individuals on the secondary market, minus the box, of course!  I have not personally handled one of these, but it is said that by comparing an original one with a copy, the difference is evident.)    The second (and less well-known) cup is of a molded ceramic, tapering to the top.  It is decorated with the mold decoration/s as follows:  On the front:  the Russian inscription,  "In Memory of the Holy Coronation," over the crowned shield of St. George and the Dragon (facing left), below which are laurel and oak leaf branches. The crowned cyphers of the Emperor and Empress respectively are to the left and right of the shield.  (I have two of these near me as I write.).  Being of a more fragile nature than the earlier mentioned metal cup, these are seldom seen in near-perfect condition.  They were made in at least 7 different solid colors. Of the two that I have, one is light blue and the other is cream/ivory colored. Invariably, there  are impressed markings on the bottom of pattern, maker's mark, etc.   While one may indeed have an absolutely authentic cup, it would be EXCEPTIONALLY difficult to discern (without very SUBSTANTIAL  DOCUMENTATION) as to whether that particular cup ever saw the light of Khodynka Field, or remained in a warehouse!           May I ask what variety of cup were you able to purchase?   Best wishes,  AP.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Katharine on January 25, 2008, 11:13:54 PM
Very interesting, Aleksandr, thanks for all of that info :)

I bought the tin enamled cup from John Atzbach: http://atzbach.com/Misc/item1802.htm (http://atzbach.com/Misc/item1802.htm).
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on January 26, 2008, 09:44:22 AM
Then you did very well indeed, Katharine!  You can certainly feel very, very comfortable with your new purchase, for John is a superb person and dealer.  Others on this forum have openly commented very favorably on their dealings with him.  I and another family member also buy from him.  Best wishes,  AP.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: CharlotteSometimes on April 03, 2008, 07:34:34 PM
I also have some of the little icons of Nicholas II and the Imperial Family--they were really quite inexpensive but are very pretty.  I also have a signed first-edition of Marie Pavlovna Jr.'s book, "A Princess in Exile."  It's not rare or anything (I read somewhere that she signed most of the first-edition books) but it is cool to think that a member of the Romanov family handled the little book I own.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: GDDimitri on October 08, 2008, 03:49:24 AM
Sorry for jumping in on this thread so late. I have this trophy at home. It was given by GD Dimitri to an uncle of mine at a shooting championship in France in 1934!

(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll364/Flaminiasupersport/DSC01719.jpg)

(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll364/Flaminiasupersport/DSC01718.jpg)

I started a thread on this trophy in "Russian Imperial Antiques" here :  http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=11902.0
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on October 08, 2008, 05:35:16 AM

It is not really a souvenir that I own - it is a little splinter of wood from the very first coffin of Grand Duchess Elizaveta Feodorovna. In 1992 (I think) that wodden coffin had to be removed due to damages caused by acid. The body was cleaned and dressed up in a new habit. The nuns scratched out what remained of wood, fabric, dry blood etc in the coffin and kept it in a special box.
Some months ago a nun from the convent in Jerusalem visited Germany and the museum I am working in. After our tour on the Grand Duchess she gave me - as a thankyou - that splinter........ unsere Ella.....

Then there is a thing I cannot really identify. It is a piece of thick blue paper folded in a triangle shape. On it is a large Imperial seal (double headed eagle) in red sealing wax. The cyrillic inscription on it says (phonetically): "Woenno pochodnaya kantselariya ego Imperatorskago Belitshestva"
If anybody has an idea of what that thing can be I'd be very grateful! I got it from a close friend of mine, a grand daughter of Margarethe "Gretchen" von Fabrice who was Tsarina Alexandra Feodorovna's maid of honor from 1888-1894. She stayed in Russia in 1894 and 1896. Perhaps she took it with her at that time? The grand daughter owns an identical thing but here the inscription is in French....
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: romanov1918 on January 10, 2009, 04:07:22 PM
I don't have much, a coronation announcement booklet from Nicholas and Alexandra, another announcement and menu for festivities after the coronation, a menu, propaganda pieces that show Rasputin with Nicholas & Alexandra at his feet (another copy of this is shown in Edvard Radzinskys book),  a signed book by Grand Duke Alexander (Sandro) "Once a Grand Duke", an announcement of a committee that Grand Duchess Xenia was on for a fashion show, small things really compared to the things I wish I owned.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Dilaktorsky on May 11, 2009, 01:58:40 AM
I don't have much, a coronation announcement booklet from Nicholas and Alexandra, another announcement and menu for festivities after the coronation, a menu, propaganda pieces that show Rasputin with Nicholas & Alexandra at his feet (another copy of this is shown in Edvard Radzinskys book),  a signed book by Grand Duke Alexander (Sandro) "Once a Grand Duke", an announcement of a committee that Grand Duchess Xenia was on for a fashion show, small things really compared to the things I wish I owned.

How rare is the "Coronation Menu" dated 14 May 1896? It is visually impressive, nearly  1 m long and includes borschch, pirozhki, lamb, pheasant in aspic, fruit in wine and ice cream.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Forum Admin on May 11, 2009, 09:17:13 AM
VERY rare and desirable. That is the main Coronation Dinner at the Kremlin.  One sold last November at Christie's London for about $12,000!

Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Prussian P on July 13, 2009, 04:51:38 PM
I recently purchased a khodynka cup.  It seems to be in very pristine condition and looks very much like the photograph I have of one.  I am wondering how you can tell if it's real and not a reproduction? 
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Stana_Romanov on July 15, 2009, 07:05:04 PM
As far as the khodynka cup, I apologize but I don't have any answer to offer you, Prussian P.  Hopefully someone else can help you.  I am actually coming to this thread with my own question.

I recently came across a thick volume entitled something like "The Ladies of the Winter Palace."  It looks (and smells =D) like a very old book...so old that I believe it doesn't include any background on the more recent Grand Duchesses though it seems like it might have been an authoritive text at one time and place.  It is in relatively good condition, especially considering how old the book is, and was marked at $30, which I think is a reasonable price.  Unfortunately, the author's name escapes me.  I am wondering if anybody is familiar with this text and can tell me if they think it would make a nice addition to my collection and whether they think the price is reasonable or even a great value.  Thank you in advance for any help!

On a more upscale note, that is a very beautiful trophy you have there, GDDimitri!  Congratulations!

Best,

Stana

Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: RomanovMartyrs on August 28, 2009, 01:38:44 AM
Could anyone give me some advice on where to go in search of purchasing something such as these souvenirs? Namely, something that would not cost an arm and a leg, but would also have been a true item of the Romanovs?

Thanks in advance. :)
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Forum Admin on August 28, 2009, 10:12:06 AM
If you want something of genuine Imperial provenance, you must go to one of the established dealers, with good reputations such as A La Vielle Russie, RomanovRussia.com or Russia-Antiques.com (Lev, who we have personally done business with) are the three best in the US, Warski in London...

Sadly, any thing with a genuine Imperial Romanov provenance will cost dearly.  Khodynka cups, the genuine ones and there are also MANY fakes on ebay etc, will cost $500-1,000 depending on condition.  Imperial Porcelain costs even more per piece these days. Anything of genuine Imperial association costs an arm and a leg AND a firstborn child I'm afraid....

Best of luck.

Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: RomanovMartyrs on August 28, 2009, 04:27:09 PM
Thanks for the quick and helpful reply! You mentioned those in US and UK..do you know of in actually in Russia? That's right next door to me, as it is, and popping over there would be less of a problem, or shipping would be less expensive. :D Thanks!
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Ortino on September 14, 2009, 03:34:03 PM
Unless you have a permit allowing you to export it out of the country, you can't take anything imperial out of Russia.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: tutsi on October 14, 2009, 01:28:15 AM
Hi, I have a few items of possible interest! This is but one!

http://www.instappraisal.com/content/romanov-1906-russian-tsarist-bond

Taa Raa!
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: tutsi on October 14, 2009, 06:43:06 PM
and a very old book about the secret court memoirs of Catherine the Great...printed by Grolier.

back later today to give you all a look see!
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: tutsi on October 19, 2009, 06:11:20 AM
and a very old book about the secret court memoirs of Catherine the Great...printed by Grolier.

back later today to give you all a look see!

sorry got a bit nervous...maybe its better not to post a picture!

if anyone is interested please pm me.

Many Thanks
tutsi
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Forum Admin on October 19, 2009, 09:55:08 AM
Tutsi,
No need to be nervous, Your items are not of substantial value.  The bond is almost worthless, the market is flooded with them and they fetch perhaps $5 each.  If the book is not printed in Russia, it also is of minimal value, even if old.  Probably less than $100.
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: tutsi on October 19, 2009, 06:25:29 PM
Oh I know the bond is worthless, always knew that, however would like to know who actually purchased it, as in their name.
As for the book, it is number 20 out of a limited edition so its possibly come from the UK.  I do have a contact who owns an old bookshop in Tetbury so I'll go ask him.

I contacted Societe Generale& the Russian Embassy some years ago and was advised by back office bonds and the embassy that all the records for that bond were kept in russia which to me doesn't make sense, especially if it was purchased in France. Any ideas or suggestions?

Thank You

Tut~si
Title: Re: Romanov Items/Souvenirs that You Own
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on January 07, 2012, 02:56:44 AM
Some time ago I got the handwritten envelope from a letter Empress Alexandra - then Princess Alix - sent to a friend in Darmstadt in about 1892. It is a mourning envelope without a stamp (so she brought it herself or sent a servant I suppose) Beneath the address she signed herself  "A.v.H" and on the rear side is her black seal reading "Alix" with the crown of the Grand Dukes of Hesse.