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Title: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Olga on May 30, 2004, 07:07:20 AM
Does anyone know anything about this woman, Daria Yevgenevna? She was the grand daughter of Maria Nikolaevna, who was the daughter of Nikolai I Pavlovich. The geneaology site I was on said she returned to Russia in 1930 and was executed in Leningrad.  ???

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Romanov on August 31, 2004, 03:21:39 PM
Why did they execute her? :'(
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Belochka on August 31, 2004, 08:56:48 PM
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Why did they execute her? :'(


According to the author Belyakova (Ref. provided above) Dariya Leuchtenberg was arrested on 10 September 1937, and then interrogated by the NKVD in October. She was found guilty on all charges, and no doubt under duress, signed the documents presented to her admitting the following:

1. ... that she was the wife of Markezetti, an arrested Gestapo member,
2. ... she was connected with an intelligence-terrorist group of German political emigrants in Leningrad,
3. ... she was aware of the preparation of a terrorist act on A. Zhdanov (Communist Party leader),
4. ... she was recruited by a monarchist-terrorist organization,
5. ... her appartment was used for secret meetings,
6. ... her appartment was visited by six foreign counter-revolutionary organizations.

She was shot on November 5, 1937.

Her husband, who was shot a few months later, in January, 1938, had his case overturned posthumously in 1975, for lack of evidence. It was also found that criminal proceedings against him were falsified.

On May 11, 1989, Dariya was no longer classed as an "enemy of the people". However there is no consideration as to whether she was also found to have had 'evidence' falsified against her as well.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on September 11, 2004, 03:24:16 AM
HIH Maximilian Josèph Eugène Auguste Napoléon de Beauharnais Duke von Leuchtenberg, Prince von Eichstadt

m.

HIH Maria Nikolaievna Grand Duchess of Russia


5th child:
  HIH Eugen Maksimilianovitch Romanovsky de Beauharnais
  Duke von Leuchtenberg, Prince von Eichstadt, Prince Romanovsky
   m.
   1 (morganatic)Daria Opotchinina
   died in childbirth March 19th 1870
   Created Countess de Beauharnais, January 20th n.s., 1869
   2 (morganatic) Zinaida Skobeleva
    Created Countess de Beauharnais, July 14th n.s., 1878;
    created HSH Duchess von Leuchtenberg, August 28th n.s., 1889

          Child from the first marriage:
           a.Daria Evgenievna Countess de Beauharnais
                  (born: March 19th 1870)
                  (executed in Leningrad on November 5th, 1938 )
                  m.
                  I.     Lev Mikhailovitch Prince Kotchoubey
                   (Divorced: 1911)
                  II.   Woldemar Alexander Eduard Freiherr von Grävenitz
                  III   Victor Aleksandrovitch Markezetti
                         (executed in Leningrad on January 15th, 1938 )


Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: LisaDavidson on November 08, 2004, 11:22:32 PM
The Bolsheviks needed no reason to execute her or the millions of people they murdered during their unfortunate tenure as Russia's rulers. She was murdered because of her ancestry, not because of anything she did.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: cimbrio on July 28, 2005, 12:58:20 AM
Hi! This may have already been posted, but I'd like to know a little bit more about the Leuchtenbergs, which were Romanov through a Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaievna, daughter of the Iron Tsar. I know the Leuchtenbergs were related to the Wittelsbachs, the Bonapartes/Beauharnais, etc but would like to know who they were, what were their lives like, what did they do and what happened to them after the revolution(I gather none of them died at the ahnds of the Bolsheviks)? Thanks in advance :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: KentKim on July 28, 2005, 01:53:02 AM
Maria Nikolaievna Romanov, Grand Duchess of Russia was the daughter of Nikolai I Pavlovich Romanov, Tsar of Russia and Friederike Luise Charlotte Wilhelmine Prinzessin von Preußen. She was born circa 18 August 1819 [6 Aug 1819 O.S.] at Pavlovsk, Russia. She married, firstly, Maximilian de Beauharnais, 3rd Duc de Leuchtenberg, son of Eugène de Beauharnais, 1st Duc de Leuchtenberg and Auguste Prinzessin von Bayern, on 14 July 1839 [2 July 1839 O.S.] at St. Petersburg, Russia. She married, secondly, Count Grigorii Aleksandrovich Strogonov on 4 November 1856. She died circa 21 February 1876 [9 Feb 1876 O.S.] at St. Petersburg.
    She gained the title of Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaievna of Russia. As of 14 July 1839, her married name was de Beauharnais. As of 4 November 1856, her married name was Strogonov.  

Children of Maria Nikolaievna Romanov, Grand Duchess of Russia and Maximilian de Beauharnais, 3rd Duc de Leuchtenberg:

Alexandra von Leuchtenburg  b. 9 Apr 1840, d. 12 Aug 1843

Maria Herzogin von Leuchtenberg  b. 16 Oct 1841, d. 16 Feb 1914

She was born on 16 October 1841 at St. Petersburg, Russia. She married Ludwig Wilhelm Prinz von Baden, son of Leopold I Großherzog von Baden and Sophie Wilhelmine von Holstein-Gottorp, Princess of Sweden, on 11 February 1863 at St. Petersburg. She died on 16 February 1914 at age 72.
She gained the title of Herzogin von Leuchtenberg.  

Children of Maria Herzogin von Leuchtenberg and Ludwig Wilhelm Prinz von Baden:


Nicholas Herzog von Leuchtenburg Prince Romanovsky b. 4 Aug 1843, d. 6 Jan 1891

He was born on 4 August 1843 at Sergeievskoie. He married Nadezhda Annenkova in October 1868. He died on 6 January 1891 at age 47 at Paris, France.
He gained the title of Prince Romanovsky.  




Egvenia Maksimilianovna Herzogin von Leuchtenberg   b. 1 Apr 1845, d. 4 May 1925

She was born on 1 April 1845 at St. Petersburg, Russia.2 She married Alexander Friedrich Constantine von Holstein-Gottorp, Duke of Oldenburg, son of Constantine Friedrich Peter von Holstein-Gottorp, Duke of Oldenburg and Therese Prinzessin von Nassau-Weilburg, on 19 January 1868 at St. Petersburg.2 She died on 4 May 1925 at age 80 at Biarritz, Bearn, France.
She gained the title of Princess Evgenia Romanovskya. She gained the title of Duchess of Leuchtenberg.  


Child of Egvenia Maksimilianovna Herzogin von Leuchtenberg and Alexander Friedrich Constantine von Holstein-Gottorp, Duke of Oldenburg:
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: cimbrio on July 28, 2005, 08:10:04 AM
Thanks KentKim, that was a lot more than I'd bargained for! I'll surf the net to see if I can find anything else and I'll post it here :) Ta!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on July 28, 2005, 11:01:24 AM
One did. On an identification thread I posted the following. I'll try to flesh it out more later unless anyone knows more of the story.

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Could it be his cousin on his mother's side Daria Beauharnais? She was the daughter of his mother's brother, Eugene, Duke von Leuchtenberg, Prince Romanowsky. She was born in 1870 and married Prince Leon Kotchoubey in 1893. They divorced in 1911 and she returned to Russia. She remarried in 1911 Waldemar von Gravenitz who died in 1916. She herself was executed in Leningrad in 1937.



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I don't know all the details but she wound up living in either St Petersburg or Moscow after the Revolution. Somehow she became known just as 'Dora Leuchtenberg' and remarried for a 3rd time to a former Austrian officer. For years she worked at a library and somehow in the 30s became implicated (most likely falsely) in being an informer and in anti-government activities. She and her husband were both arrested and after 'trials' were shot.

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: David_Pritchard on July 28, 2005, 02:58:44 PM
A print of Maksimilian, Prince Romanovsky and Duke Leihtenbergsky with his wife Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaievna of Russia.

(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2241/07282005034706pm1qw.jpg)

The arms of the Princes Romanovsky and Dukes Leihtenbergsky:

(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9485/07282005034551pm2jl.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: TJ Jones on July 31, 2005, 02:09:29 PM
That information is very confusing  ??? I know nothing about the Leuchtenbergs at all. Does anyone have any clearer information on them? I'm completely lost.  :-[
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on July 31, 2005, 02:24:04 PM
Very interesting family!

Some of them.
Prince Nikolay Maximilianovich and his morganatic spouse Nadejda Akinfieva (Annenkova). Their romance was very passionate.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/niknadin.jpg)

Nadejda (Nadin)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/nadin.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on July 31, 2005, 02:26:03 PM
Princess Eugenia of Oldenburg, nee Leuchtenberg, mother of Prince Petr of Oldenburg. She was considered a "family beauty"  :-/

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/eugenie1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on July 31, 2005, 02:28:22 PM
Prince Georgiy of Leuchtenberg, 1st husband of GDss Anastasia Nikolaevna (Stana), here with his sister Princess Marie of Baden and children Elena and Sergey.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/leucht.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on August 11, 2005, 03:29:55 PM
I don't know if someone had posted this already?


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/CountessDariaEvguenievnadeBeauharna.jpg)


Countess Daria Evguenievna de Beauharnais
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Daniela on August 22, 2005, 06:53:43 AM
Why did Grand Duchess Anastasia divorced her first husband?

Daniela
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on August 22, 2005, 12:33:31 PM
Anastasia had a lover the Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaiovitch and she div. her first husband to married a higher rank prince of Imperial blood. Even tho Georgiy was a son of the Grand Duchess Maria, Duchess of Leuchtenburg (which i think her father-in-law is a family member of Empress Josephine of France? )
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on September 11, 2005, 12:09:52 PM


Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/mn.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/mn1.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on September 11, 2005, 12:16:42 PM
Grand Duke Alexander Nikolayevitch ( vs Emperor Alexander II) and his sister Maria Nikolayevna

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/mnan.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on September 14, 2005, 12:35:30 AM
Maria Nikolayevna, Grand Duchess and Duchess of Leuchtenberg with her children.

with daughters Maria and Eugenia

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/mnmarieeugenie.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on September 14, 2005, 12:37:25 AM
And with her sons Sergey and Nikolay. Lovely picture!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/mnsergeynikolay.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on September 14, 2005, 12:40:35 AM
Maria Nikolayevna always looks so serious and severe!!!
A formidable person she was...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on October 07, 2005, 04:34:47 AM

It's a dagerrotype but looks like a portrait.

Just look at her waist! :o...poor Maria!How did she breathe with such a corsette? ;)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/m_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Daniela on October 28, 2005, 03:45:50 AM
(http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=sl;m=IM;d=52270191;i=215748;k=/elena.0.de_leuchtenberg)
Elena von Leuchtenberg und Eichstadt, later Countess Tyszkiewicz (don't know if this is realy her)

Elena had only one daughter Natalya and as far as I know she didn't marry. Is she still alive? Nataliya was born in 1923.

And, did Elena liked Montenegro and her mother's family?

Daniela
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Daniela on October 28, 2005, 04:15:05 AM
Oh, another Maria Nicholaievna's photo

(http://www.genealogics.org/photos/6703.a.jpg)

Daniela
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Angie_H on November 11, 2005, 06:19:33 PM
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Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna,eldest daughter of Nikolay I.
It's a dagerrotype but looks like a portrait.

Just look at her waist! :o...poor Maria!How did she breathe with such a corsette? ;)

Obviously a corset. But lordy! Like you said how could those woman breathe?!!! What was in GWTW? Scarlett was upset if her waist measured 20"? These days most women pray for that! ROFL
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: veluco on November 20, 2005, 04:01:59 PM
Does anybody know if Andrej of Leuchtenberg was fighting in the Estonian army. Feb 1919 saw the bulk of fighting between Estonians and Bolsheviks but I could not find anything of the action around Narva. I suppose Andrej was not fighting in the Red Army.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Macedonsky on November 21, 2005, 05:48:19 AM
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Does anybody know if Andrej of Leuchtenberg was fighting in the Estonian army. Feb 1919 saw the bulk of fighting between Estonians and Bolsheviks but I could not find anything of the action around Narva. I suppose Andrej was not fighting in the Red Army.

In accordance with most reliable source, Rostislav Krasyukov, Duke Andrew died of typhus on February 22 or 25 NS, 1919 in Narva, Yamburg district of Petrograd region, being the member of General Yudenitch army.

OTOH, in the same article Mr. Krasyukov gives the Duke Andrew's birthdate as 15.6./8.7.1903 in St.Petersburg. Perhaps it is just typo as all the sources give June 25/July 8. In the recent Russian Imperial Family by Yury Kuzmin the death is shown as February 1919 near Narva, Estonia, and also "of typhus in the ranks of the Yudenitch army".

Meanwhile, first look at the history of the Russian Civil war give us that Yudenich was in Finland until summer of 1919, Narva was occupied on January 19 NS by Estonian infantry division. Very likely Duke Andrew was in the ranks of the Northern Corps (Severny Korpus) - White voluntary formation commanded by Colonel von Nef (sp?). Yudenitch was appoined only in June 1919. Russian Whites were allies under suspicion of the (White) Estonians.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: veluco on November 21, 2005, 12:23:43 PM
Very interesting Macedonsky, since most sources on the net show Duke Andrew as k.a. So an error will be avoided.
Many thanks
v
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Macedonsky on November 21, 2005, 02:11:09 PM
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Very interesting Macedonsky, since most sources on the net show Duke Andrew as k.a. So an error will be avoided.

As he is not royal, to avoid error it would be correct to omit him, am I wrong?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on November 29, 2005, 05:08:16 AM
If we speak about Gdss Maria Nikolayevna's portraits I must say that I like this one more than other portraits of her!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/gdmn.jpg)

I love this regal, severe and TENDER impression of her face! A real Grand Duchess and daughter of the Emperor Nikolay I !


The Winterhalter's painting of her is superb but Winterhalter is Winterhalter! ;)




Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on December 22, 2005, 05:30:34 AM
Photo of Duchess Zenaida of Leuchtenberg, 2d spouse of Duke Georgiy. She was born Zenaida Skobeleva and was a famous beauty within the high-society. Well, looking at her picture I can't say that she was a great beauty, though very pretty . I think she had a ssort of sexual charm not seen in the picture :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/zina.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Mike on December 22, 2005, 02:24:13 PM
Thanks again Svetabel. I must admit the picture is a profound disappointment :( . Are you sure it's Zinaida - who btw was second wife of Evgeniy, not Georgiy (the latter's second wife was Anastasia "the Montenegrin")?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on December 23, 2005, 12:07:43 AM
Whoops, shame on me! I thought about Evgeniy butwrote Georgiy! Sorry... :) The woman is indeed Zenaida, spouse of Evgeniy,no doubt, believe me. :D It appears that I have a pic of her with Grand Duke Alexey - she is  even more fatter and dissapointing there. As I already said she obviously had no beauty but charm  :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on December 23, 2005, 12:42:14 AM
Well, look at this pair of lovers! ;)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/gdakexzina.jpg)

Zenaida and her knight Grand Duke Alexey! He looks more lovely than his darling Zenaida  ;D
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: darius on December 23, 2005, 03:06:45 PM
What of the Leutchenburgs today?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: AkshayChavan on December 23, 2005, 06:35:01 PM
Can anyone tell me why Princess Dacia of Leuchtenberg returned to Russia? After the brutal killing of the Imperial family it was a very foolish thing to do. I don't know much about her. But why did she take this decision?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on December 24, 2005, 07:06:06 AM
 Maria Maximilianovna

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/marusia.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessMarie.jpg)


Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on December 24, 2005, 07:12:24 AM
I read Ferrand's book a long ago. Unfortunately I don't have it at hand. I'd say that sometimes there are mistakes  even in good/great and informative books  :(
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on December 24, 2005, 02:57:53 PM
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Can anyone tell me why Princess Dacia of Leuchtenberg returned to Russia? After the brutal killing of the Imperial family it was a very foolish thing to do. I don't know much about her. But why did she take this decision?


Daria returned to Russia in October 1918  The official reason for Daria's return was a mission for Austrian Red Cross. The real reason is unknown. Possibly she had been recruited by the Soviets.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on December 26, 2005, 03:51:56 AM
One more of Princess Eugenie (Evgenia Maximilianovna), youngest daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/eugenieleuchtoldenb.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Leuchtenberg on December 26, 2005, 03:43:00 PM
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One more of Princess Eugenie (Evgenia Maximilianovna), youngest daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna

She had the reputation of being a very grand and snobbish woman.  I expect she was responsible for having Nicholas II elevate her Oldenburg husband from a highness to an imperial highness in 1914.

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on December 28, 2005, 01:23:58 AM
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She had the reputation of being a very grand and snobbish woman.  



Yes, Evgenia Maximilianovna had such reputation. Remember she was a daughter of grand,snobbish and adamant Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayaevna  :)

Evgenia when a young girl

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/eugenie.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: lancashireladandre on January 04, 2006, 05:29:38 AM
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Photo of Duchess Zenaida of Leuchtenberg, 2d spouse of Duke Georgiy. She was born Zenaida Skobeleva and was a famous beauty within the high-society. Well, looking at her picture I can't say that she was a great beauty, though very pretty . I think she had a ssort of sexual charm not seen in the picture :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/zina.jpg)

Zenaida was one of the 3 sisters of Mikhail Skobelev ( known as the "White General & doted on by society women for his good looks and blue eyes).His sisters are supposed to have shared his looks and charisma.Another of the sisters was Princess Konstantin Belosselsky-Belozersky.HER  middle daughter Princess Olga Orlova definitely inherited the blue eyes.Not beautiful she was renowned for her charm and grace.She was also said to be the most elegant woman in ST Petersburg.Perhaps that was part of her aunt Zenaida's fascination...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Teddy on January 04, 2006, 09:42:36 AM
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Can anyone tell me why Princess Dacia of Leuchtenberg returned to Russia? After the brutal killing of the Imperial family it was a very foolish thing to do. I don't know much about her. But why did she take this decision?


In "The way it was", by Zoia Belyakova is a whole chapter about this "strange" lady.

Why she returned??? The answer will always be a mystery. But some have said, that Doria has claimed that in Switserland she had know Lenin and/or Trotsky, and that the Smolny authorities had provided her with a piece of paper, certain certificate with had given her an immunity, to move around Russia.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: AkshayChavan on January 09, 2006, 06:59:44 PM
Can anyone please post the photo of Prince Alexander of Leuchtenburg who was suitor of Muriel Buchanan?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 29, 2006, 06:22:24 AM
EUGÉNE Rose de Beauharnais (1781-1824) was created Duke of Leuchtenberg and Fürst von Eichstädt by King Maximilian I. Joseph of Bavaria.
He was married to Auguste Amalie, Princess of Bavaria (1788-1851) and had the following children:

1b) Joséphine Maximilienne Eugénie Napoléone, Princess of Bologna 29 Dec 1807, Duchess of Galliera 28 May 1813 (Milan 14 Mar 1807-Stockholm 7 Jun 1876); married by proxy at Munich 22 May 1823 and in person at Stockholm 19 Jun 1823 King Oscar I of Sweden and Norway (Paris 4 Jul 1799-Stockholm 8 Jul 1859)

2b) Eugénie Hortense Auguste (Milan 23 Dec 1808-Freudenstadt 1 Sep 1847); married Eichstädt 22 May 1826 Friedrich Wilhelm Konstantin, Fürst von Hohenzollern-Hechingen (Sagan 16 Feb 1801-Schlesien-Nettkow 3 Sep 1869)

3b) AUGUST Karl Eugen Napoleon, Duke of Leuchtenberg, Prince of Portugal (Royal Highness) and Duque de Santa Cruz 1 Dec 1834 (Milan 9 Dec 1810-Lisbon 28 Mar 1835); married by proxy at Munich 1 Dec 1834 and in person at Lisbon 26 Jan 1835 Queen Maria II da Gloria of Portugal and the Algarves (Rio de Janeiro 4 Apr 1819-Lisbon 15 Nov 1853)

4b) Amélie Auguste Eugénie Napoléone (Milan 31 Jul 1812-Lisbon 26 Jan 1873); married by proxy at Munich 2 Aug 1829 and in person at Rio de Janeiro 17 Oct 1829 Pedro I, Emperor of Brazil (Queluz 12 Oct 1798-Queluz 23 Sep 1834)

5b) Theodelinde Louise Eugénie Auguste Napoléone (Mantua 13 Apr 1814-Stuttgart 1 Apr 1857); married Munich 8 Feb 1841 Wilhelm, Duke of Urach (Stuttgart 6 Jul 1810-Schloß Lichtenstein 17 Jul 1869)

6b) Caroline Clotilde (Munich 15 Jan 1816-Munich 25 Jan 1816)

7b) MAXIMILIAN Joseph Eugen August Napoleon, Duke von Leuchtenberg, granted the style of Imperial Highness by the Emperor of Russia 14 Jul 1839; his children also were accorded this style along with the title Prince[ss] Romanowsky (Munich 2 Oct 1817-St.Petersburg 1 Nov 1852); married St.Petersburg 14 Jul 1839 Maria, Grand Dss of Russia (Pavlovsk 18 Aug 1819-St.Petersburg 21 Feb 1876)

I would love to see some portraits, maybe even photographs of the Leuchtenberg family. Thanks.

Marie
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Agneschen on January 29, 2006, 07:06:34 AM
Pics of various members of the Beauharnais & Leuchtenberg families are to be found at the following address :

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/families/beauharnais/beauharnais.htm
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: AkshayChavan on February 20, 2006, 01:03:57 PM
I am looking for photos of Prince Alexander of Leuchtenburg who was the lover of Muriel Buchanan. Was he engaged to her? Why did their marriage not go through?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 20, 2006, 01:19:41 PM
They were not engaged, though Muriel loved him very much and wanted to marry Alexander. He was a well-known playboy, but he did married another woman, Nadejda Karalli.
His father was flatly against "Alexander-Muriel" alliance and forbade his son any thought about...But probably Alexander gave up poor English girl with great relief. :(
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 20, 2006, 01:22:24 PM
In other words, Alexander was not really in love with Muriel. Just a flirt.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: AkshayChavan on February 21, 2006, 07:15:32 AM
Are there any photos of him? He is one of the few Leuchtenburgs whose photos i have not seen.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: mardam on February 21, 2006, 08:08:40 AM
Here is a picture of Alexander. More pictures of the family on http://www.royaltyguide.nl. Choose: Families: Beauharnais.

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/beauharnais/1881%20Alexander.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: dp5486 on March 26, 2006, 03:00:43 PM
Does anyone have pictures of Stana's son Sergei of Leuchtenberg or her son-in-law Count Stefan Tyszkiewicz they could share?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: winniepooh on March 26, 2006, 03:32:21 PM
Eugène de Beauharnais (1781-1824), im November 1817 erwarb er die Standesherrschaft über das Fürstentum Eichstätt mit dem Titel eines Herzogs von Leuchtenberg.


(http://www.stmf.bayern.de/ueber_uns/palais_leuchtenberg/images/beauharnais.gif)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: winniepooh on March 26, 2006, 03:34:36 PM
Georg, 6 e duke of Leuchtenberg

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/beauharnais/1852%20Georg.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: winniepooh on March 26, 2006, 03:38:10 PM
Marie Maximiliane ,
princess of Leuchtenberg
1841-1914

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/beauharnais/1841%20Maria.JPG)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: winniepooh on March 26, 2006, 03:43:29 PM
 Georg 1872-1929,
( child of Nikolai 1843-1890)
X 1895
Olga
Princess Repnin
1872-1953  

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/beauharnais/1872%20Georg.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: winniepooh on March 26, 2006, 03:47:18 PM
 Nikolai 1868-1928
(child of Nikolai 1843-1890 )
X 1894
Marie
countess Grabbe
1869-1948  


(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/beauharnais/1868%20Nikolai.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: winniepooh on March 26, 2006, 03:48:50 PM
Sergei , 1849-1877
(child of Maximilian 1817-1852 )

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/beauharnais/1849%20Serge.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: winniepooh on March 26, 2006, 03:51:01 PM
Eugen
5e duke of Leuchtenberg 1847-1901
( child of Maximilian 1817-1852 )
1X (morg) 1869
Daria
Opotschnin
1845-1870
2X (morg)
Sinaida
Skobelw
1856-1899  

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/beauharnais/1847%20Eugen.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: winniepooh on March 26, 2006, 03:52:36 PM
Nikolai
4e duke of Leuchtenberg,  1843-1890
(child of Maximilian 1817-1852 )
X (morg) 1868/1879
Nadeshda
Annankow
1839-1891  


(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/beauharnais/1843%20Nikolai.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Prince_Christopher on March 26, 2006, 05:19:06 PM
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Why she returned??? The answer will always be a mystery. But some have said, that Doria has claimed that in Switserland she had know Lenin and/or Trotsky, and that the Smolny authorities had provided her with a piece of paper, certain certificate with had given her an immunity, to move around Russia.
Could someone elaborate on this.  I just read that Daria was executed in Russia in the 30's.  Is this true?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 26, 2006, 11:44:36 PM

True. Probably she was shot.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: David_Pritchard on March 27, 2006, 12:05:19 AM
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Why she returned??? The answer will always be a mystery. But some have said, that Doria has claimed that in Switserland she had know Lenin and/or Trotsky, and that the Smolny authorities had provided her with a piece of paper, certain certificate with had given her an immunity, to move around Russia.
Could someone elaborate on this.  I just read that Daria was executed in Russia in the 30's.  Is this true?


[size=14]Daria is one of two hundred and more members of princely houses that were murdered in Russia. The information below is taken from one of my many posts under the topic of Murdered Russian Nobles on this forum.

Daria Yevgeneevna, Countess de Beauharnais, daughter of HSH Prince Yevgeny Nikolaevich Romanovsky, 5th Duke von Leuchtenberg. She died in 1931 at a Soviet prison camp. [/size]
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Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 27, 2006, 12:37:56 AM
I read that Daria died later - not in 1931. :-/
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: David_Pritchard on March 27, 2006, 10:34:54 PM
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I read that Daria died later - not in 1931. :-/

[size=14]Svetabel,[/size]


[size=14]My reference to the 1931 date of death came from: [/size][size=14]Burke's Royal Families of the World, Volume 1 Europe & Latin America, page No. 116[/size]

[size=14]According to Paul Theroff's Online Gotha, Daria was executed at Leningrad on 4 November  1937.[/size]

[size=14]Which one should we believe?[/size]

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Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 27, 2006, 11:27:59 PM
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I read that Daria died later - not in 1931. :-/

[size=14]Svetabel,[/size]


[size=14]My reference to the 1931 date of death came from: [/size][size=14]Burke's Royal Families of the World, Volume 1 Europe & Latin America, page No. 116[/size]

[size=14]According to Paul Theroff's Online Gotha, Daria was executed at Leningrad on 4 November  1937.[/size]

[size=14]Which one should we believe?[/size]

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Well, I tend to believe Russian sources and researches of Russian historians. According to most of them Daria was executed in 1936-1937 years, though I am not sure about place (Leningrad).
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Rebecca on April 02, 2006, 01:26:05 AM
I am glad that Daria Leuchtenberg has been brought up, as it gives me my needed excuse to ask about something which has puzzled me. There seems to be some confusion about how many times Daria Leuchtenberg was married, and in which order, that is regarding the third and fourth husbands (that is, if there really was a fourth husband, which some sources deny). Can anyone clarify this?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: POLN on April 16, 2006, 05:46:29 PM
Does anyone have a photo portrait of Count Stefan Tyszkiewicz, the husband of Princess Elena von Leuchtenberg und Eichstadt, and of their daughter Natalia?
Thanks in advance.
Pierre Olivier
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on May 05, 2006, 02:58:37 PM
Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, eldest daughter of Emperor Nikolay I

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Alex3/marniko.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on October 23, 2006, 01:10:49 AM
I found a biography of Daria Evgenievna de Leuchtenberg that surprised me. According to the following source "Nicholas & Alexandra: The Last Imperial Family of Tsarist Russia," (1998) (a book documenting an exhibit at the Hermitage) Daria returned to Russia NOT ca. 1930, but in 1917, right after the first Revolution! She set off for the Russian-Austrian Front with "a detachment of nurses that she had established with her own money" in 1917. After returning to Russia Daria worked at the World Literature Publishers with Maxim Gorky. From 1924 she worked at the State Public Library in St Petersburg. She died in 1937. This makes more sense to me than her returning in 1930. Does anyone know if this information is correct?

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on October 31, 2006, 12:11:05 PM
I found a biography of Daria Evgenievna de Leuchtenberg that surprised me. According to the following source "Nicholas & Alexandra: The Last Imperial Family of Tsarist Russia," (1998) (a book documenting an exhibit at the Hermitage) Daria returned to Russia NOT ca. 1930, but in 1917, right after the first Revolution! She set off for the Russian-Austrian Front with "a detachment of nurses that she had established with her own money" in 1917. After returning to Russia Daria worked at the World Literature Publishers with Maxim Gorky. From 1924 she worked at the State Public Library in St Petersburg. She died in 1937. This makes more sense to me than her returning in 1930. Does anyone know if this information is correct?


yes, it' s a well-khown documented fact that Daria returned in about 1917-1918 and was executed in 1937. The last edition of "The Romanovs: How it was" by Z. Belyakova has a chapter with info about Daria's life after revolution.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on November 01, 2006, 08:10:43 PM
Thank you Svetabel! ;D Every other post on this site and elsewhere online claims she returned ca. 1930. That just seemed so odd to me given that Stalin was in power at that time. I could understand why she might have wanted to return in 1917. A very bad decision in retrospect but understandable. Her country was going through an upheaval. Perhaps she hoped it would change for the better and become something akin to a Republic? Eitherway her returning ca. 1917 makes more sense than a return in 1930.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on November 04, 2006, 04:39:57 AM
Perhaps she hoped it would change for the better and become something akin to a Republic? Eitherway her returning ca. 1917 makes more sense than a return in 1930.

Actually the reasons of her return in 1917-1918 are not clear. Someone thought she was a spy... :-\
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on November 04, 2006, 04:49:53 AM
Is there any evidence supporting the idea that she was a spy? Was any presented in the book, article, etc., or is this just conjecture? If it is true, I wonder why she would agree to act as a spy for either the Mensheviks or the Bolsheviks. ???
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on November 04, 2006, 04:54:21 AM
Is there any evidence supporting the idea that she was a spy? Was any presented in the book, article, etc., or is this just conjecture? If it is true, I wonder why she would agree to act as a spy for either the Mensheviks or the Bolsheviks. ???

The fact is that there was no evidence of her being a spy. Just a speculation as there are no documented sources.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on November 04, 2006, 05:21:13 AM
Thank you for the clarification, Svetabel. ;) Since she was working with Maxim Gorky it seems safe to speculate that she may be counted among the Romanovs he either aided or attempted to aide during the Revolution.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Miguelemejia on November 05, 2006, 08:35:37 PM
I wrote this for the wikipedia, but I thought I'd like to share it here first. Any additional information would be appreciated.

Maria Nikolaevna (born August 18, 1819 in Pavlovsk; died February 21, 1876 in St. Petersburg) was a daughter of Zar NicholasI of Russia and sister of Alexander II. She was Duchess of Leuchtenberg and President of the Academy of Arts in St. Peterburg.

Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaievna was born on August 18, 1819 in Pavlovsk, She was the second of seven children and eldest daughter of Tsar Nicholas I of Russia and Alexandra Feodorvna, born Princess Charlotte of Prussia. Unusually for her position and time, she married for love. She met her future husband, Maximilian the third Duke of Leuchtenberg, a grand son of Empress Josephine, when he came to St Petersburg in Calvary maneuvers in 1837. A year later he made a second visit to St Petersburg, as noted by Grand Duchess Olga in her diary “ in four days it has become quite clear that Max and Maria were made for each other’. It was not a desirable match for a daughter of a Russian Emperor. Maximilian was one level below royalty with the treatment only of serene Highness as member of a secondary branch of the house of Bavaria. The Bonaparte family had been bitter enemies of Russia, nevertheless the Zar granted his permission on condition that his daughter did not live Russia to live abroad. Since the duke of Leuchtenberg was not a member of a reigning family, it was easy for him to accommodate in Russia and live there. The wedding took place on July 2, 1839 in the chapel of the winter Palace. Her father made her husband and imperial Highness. They remained in Russia where their seven children grew up in the circle of the imperial family. The Duchess of Leuchtenberg residence in St Petersburg was since 1845 the Marinsky Palace, named after the grand Duchess. Maria Nikolaievna and her husband had artistic inclinations and where active in charitable and artistic causes. Maria’s husband was President of the Academy of Arts. The Grand Duchess was an avid art collector and after the death of her husband in 1852, she replaced him as President of the Academy of Arts. From then on, Maria Nikolaievana devoted herself to her collection even with greater ardor. Maria Nikolaievna made a second marriage in 1854, to Count Grigori Stroganov.   (1823 – 1878).  It was a morganatic union and was kept secret while her father lived. Officially the marriage did not take place until November 16, 1856, after Nicholas I death. Her sister Olga described her as more talented than all her brothers and sisters put together, but lacking a sense of duty.

In 1862, Maria Nikolaievna installed herself in Florence in the Villa Quarto, which had belonged to Jerome Bonaparte, and appointed the painter and collector Karl Liphard as her advisor. They went almost daily to visit Museums, private collection and antiquaries. In Italy, the Grand Duchess was zealous in her purchases of painting, sculptures and furniture for the complete refurbishing of his residence.

 Duchess Maria probably suffered either from varicose veins or from some sort of bone disease, and by the end of her life she had become and invalid. She died on February 21, 1876 in St. Petersburg.

On her death in 1876 Maria Nikolaievna art collections were divided between her three surviving sons: Prince Nicholas of Leuchtenberg, his brothers Eugene and George, their sisters Princes Maria of Baden and Princess Eugenia of Oldenburg and their half sister countess Elena Strogonova. In 1884, her son mounted an exhibition at the St Petersburg Academy of Fine Arts with the Grand Duchess former collection. In 1913 another exhibitions was organized at the Hermitage entitle the Heritage of Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaievna. After the revolution the collection was dispersed and now can be enjoyed in museums in Moscow, St Petersburg, Vienna and the United States.

 MEM.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Linnea on November 06, 2006, 03:04:25 PM
I remember that Duchess Auguste, Maximilian´s mother wasn´t very happy with the Russian wedding of her son as she thought this would be the end of the Leuchtenberg family and she was right as her sons children were raised Orthodox and under the surname of "Romanovsky"...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on November 07, 2006, 12:22:21 PM
  Miguelemejia,

Your info is quite comprehensive if you write for wikipedia. Actually it could be added more on the person of Maria and her relationship with 2 husbands and the Romanov family, she was quite a character.  :)
 
 
 
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Miguelemejia on November 10, 2006, 04:47:30 PM
Svetabel

it seems to me that she had a strong personality since she did as she wanted with her two marriages. if you know more about her, please let us know.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on November 12, 2006, 08:42:56 AM
Grand Duchess Maria was indeed quite a character and resembled much her father Emperor Nicholas I. ometimes the contemporaries said she was the spitting image of Nicholas, in appearance and regal manners.
But not in understanding what was a duty of a Grand Duchess. BTW, in Russia she was officially titled Grand Duchess even after her marriage, no one dared to title her "Duchess of Leuchtenberg".
The marriage of Maria and Maximilian was unpopular in the Royal cirlces of Europe and in Russian high society, only King of Sweden send his ambassador to the wedding ceremony of Maria and Max (Prussia, or example, send only a representative). Anyway the weeding ceremony was magnificent and the festivites lasted for 2 weeks.
The young couple was in love during their first years together but after some time they drew apert  in spite of that both had the same artistic tastes. Max was very talented man, had a great knowledge in natural sciences and arts, moreover he had a lot of common sense. But he was not totally happy in Russia being only a husband of a Grand Duchess, he clearly understood his marital status and situation.
Grand Duchess Maria --until the death of her  1st husband -- was always in the centre of high life. Some people considered her kind, witty and cheerful, some other people called her vulgar, whimsical  and too frivolous. She really liked to be surrounded by handsome men. Her liasion with Count Stroganov began while Duke Max was still alive, and a rumour ran through the society that Maria's son Georgiy (born in 1852) was in fact a son of Count Stroganov. What was the most interesting that Georgiy in his later years really resembled Count Stroganov as wrote in his journals Alexander Polovtsov in the 1880s.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Linnea on November 12, 2006, 10:49:23 AM
But he was not totally happy in Russia

To say the very least. He became quite unhappy in Russia as he really had not much to do there and the climate wasn´t good for his health either.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on November 12, 2006, 11:05:46 AM
But he was not totally happy in Russia

To say the very least. He became quite unhappy in Russia as he really had not much to do there and the climate wasn´t good for his health either.


He DID had much to do in Russia as he was an energetic person, though with a weak health. The most dissapointing for him was that some of the Romanov family considered him an insignificant princeling who had had a chance to be liked by Emperor and his daughter Grand Duchess. For example Grand Dule Mikhail Pavlovich, brother of Nicholas I, had a sort of hatred to Maximilain.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Linnea on November 12, 2006, 11:16:19 AM
Maybe he found some things he could do, but these were not really necessary. And it surely didn´t help that his mother was very embittered about his marriage (the children of her only surviving son were Orthodox, had a Russian surname, the firstborn son was named Nicholas and not Eugen etc.) and over the fact that Maximilian sold his Italian property as Maria wanted... :-\
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Linnea on March 19, 2007, 03:25:57 PM
Are there any good books on the Leuchtenberg family apart from Adalbert of Bavaria´s "Die Herzen der Leuchtenberg" and "Palais Leuchtenberg"? Thanks in advance! :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: ashdean on March 19, 2007, 04:34:25 PM
Georg 1872-1929,
( child of Nikolai 1843-1890)
X 1895
Olga
Princess Repnin
1872-1953  

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/beauharnais/1872%20Georg.jpg)
Georg was the kind friend to Anna Anderson who was treated very badly by her in return.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: britt.25 on March 20, 2007, 02:39:19 AM
I am no expert at all on that subject, but I would like to comment that it is really amazing how many people descend from empress Josephine, first wife of Napoleon through her son Eugène. If you consider that she later could not have children any more, but has sooo many descendants. It´s really fascinating.  ;)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Teddy on March 20, 2007, 02:09:36 PM
What was the relationship between the Leuchtenbergs and the Romanovs? Was it possible for example GD Olga N. to marry a Leuchtenberg cousin?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Linnea on March 20, 2007, 02:31:10 PM
After the divorce from her Swedish Prince, Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna was offered marriage by her distant cousin Sergei Leuchtenberg (I do not remeber if I read this in Maria´s autobiography or in Marion Meinert´s excellent bio on her), so matches between these families would of course have been possible. So the question is rather why shouldn´t it have been possible? ;)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: LisaDavidson on March 27, 2007, 12:14:23 AM
After the divorce from her Swedish Prince, Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna was offered marriage by her distant cousin Sergei Leuchtenberg (I do not remeber if I read this in Maria´s autobiography or in Marion Meinert´s excellent bio on her), so matches between these families would of course have been possible. So the question is rather why shouldn´t it have been possible? ;)

I'm confused. The Grand Duchess Maria who founded the Leuchtenberg line was Maria Nicholievna, who was granted permission to marry her first husband by her doting father.

Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna the Younger married Prince William of Sweden, later divorcing him. Her second husband was Prince Putiatin.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Linnea on March 27, 2007, 01:30:57 PM
Shorty after her divorce, while spending time with her father at Paris, Sergei Leuchtenberg appeared there tooand asked for her hand in marriage. This happend in 1913. Actually Maria had hoped that Ferdinand Montpensier, the younger brother of the Duc d´Orléans, would have asked her the very question Leuchtenberg had asked. ;)

Maria married Putiatin in 1917, didn´t she?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on September 03, 2007, 09:13:58 PM
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HIH princess Evgenie Maksimilianovna Romanovsky de Beauharnais, duchess of Leuchtenburg
she married HIH duke Aleksandr of Oldenburg (he was granted the style of imperial highness in 1914)
(they were the parents of prince Petr of Oldenburg, 1st husband of grand duchess Olga Aleksandrovna)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/YEVGENYMAKSIMILIANO4256D5.jpg)








Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on September 28, 2007, 10:48:30 AM
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Does someone have a picture of Maria's 2nd husband, Count Strogonov ?

Thanks in advance

A photo

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Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 15, 2007, 02:17:36 AM
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HIH the grand duchess Mariia Nikolaevna, duchess of Leuchtenburg
ca. 1860
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Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 14, 2008, 01:57:45 AM
Are there any good books on the Leuchtenberg family apart from Adalbert of Bavaria´s "Die Herzen der Leuchtenberg" and "Palais Leuchtenberg"? Thanks in advance! :)

There are books and articles in Russian, which are only on GDss Maria Nikolayevna and her some famous descendants. As I know our good Russian historian Zoya Belyakova had been researched on the Leuchtenbergs but still no new book from her.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on March 14, 2008, 08:24:42 AM
How did they meet? Nadezhda and Nikolai that is. I don't believe I have ever read about their love affair and marriage.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 15, 2008, 12:02:17 PM
How did they meet? Nadezhda and Nikolai that is. I don't believe I have ever read about their love affair and marriage.

Oh, there was a real passionate love story when all secret police of the Russian Empire moved mountains just to separate Nikolay and Nadezhda. You can look at her photo in the 1st page of this thread - not a beauty but the contemporaries said she was a charming lady who even had time to drive mad the famous old Prince Gorchakov - she was his last love.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on March 15, 2008, 07:25:15 PM
Thank you for some of the details, Svetabel. I'll have to see if I can find a book that mentions a bit more about their lives. Off to the forum's book review section!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 16, 2008, 05:07:00 AM
Thank you for some of the details, Svetabel. I'll have to see if I can find a book that mentions a bit more about their lives. Off to the forum's book review section!

I guess only one book in Russian is on Nikolay and Nadin's affair. Published in 2001, and a rare find. Sadly, I don't remember the ISBN.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on March 28, 2008, 03:28:32 AM

A while ago Maria's grandson, George's child, Alexander (Sandro) Leuchtenberg was mentioned. In addition to being a (platonic) flame of Muriel Buchanan's, he was also one of the few Romanov relations to remain on good terms with N&A. According to Anna Vyrubova he begged Nicholas on the eve of the Revolution to ask the Grand Dukes to swear their loyalty to him. He warned Nicholas that the family was disloyal, that the Empire, and possibly his and Alexandra's very lives were at stake. Nicholas dismissed his worries as foolish.

Does anyone know who raised Alexander after his mother Theresa's death? Also, was he (initially at least) on good terms with his step-mother Stana?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: TampaBay on March 29, 2008, 08:37:17 AM

Does anyone know who raised Alexander after his mother Theresa's death? Also, was he (initially at least) on good terms with his step-mother Stana?


I did not know that Stana of Serbia was Leuchtenberg's seond wife.  Does anyone know why Stana & Leuchtenberg divorced?

Details please!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 29, 2008, 11:32:06 AM

Does anyone know who raised Alexander after his mother Theresa's death? Also, was he (initially at least) on good terms with his step-mother Stana?


I did not know that Stana of Serbia was Leuchtenberg's seond wife.  Does anyone know why Stana & Leuchtenberg divorced?

Details please!

TampaBay

Becouse Stana wanted to marry GD Nikolay )). Also in fact Duke Georgiy was a famous playboy who lead a fast life in Paris. The marital life with him was not a picnic definitely.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: beladona on March 29, 2008, 05:50:29 PM
Are there any members of Leuchtenberg family today? If so, where do they live?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on March 30, 2008, 01:35:05 AM

Does anyone know who raised Alexander after his mother Theresa's death? Also, was he (initially at least) on good terms with his step-mother Stana?


I did not know that Stana of Serbia was Leuchtenberg's seond wife.  Does anyone know why Stana & Leuchtenberg divorced?

Details please!

TampaBay

Becouse Stana wanted to marry GD Nikolay )). Also in fact Duke Georgiy was a famous playboy who lead a fast life in Paris. The marital life with him was not a picnic definitely.

They led separate lives for quite some time, as Sveta wrote. He lived most of the year in France, at Paris and the Riviera, with his longtime mistress. I believe her marriage to the Duke George was tempestuous from the start and had been arranged by her father, the King of Montenegro. She and George were separated for several years before the divorce was finally obtained in 1906.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Prince_Christopher on June 15, 2008, 09:01:37 PM
In looking for information on the descendants of Olga and Xenia Contantinovna von Leuchtenberg (daughters of Constantin Georgevich von Leuchtenberg and Darya Alexievna Obolensky). Most genealogies mention their marriages, but fail to indicate any children/grandchildren.
Thank you.

A quick Internet search yielded the following information:

Duke Constantine von Leuchtenberg (1905-1983) m.1929 Princess Daria Obolensky (1903-1982)

Duchess Xenia von Leuchtenberg (*1930) m.1950 Count Dimitri Grabbe (*1927)

Count Michael Grabbe (*1951)
Countess Nina Grabbe (*1952), m.1st 1975 (div. 1981) John Eldredge (*1949); m.2nd 1984 Dimitry Vladimirovich Shishkoff (3 children)
Count Paul Grabbe (*1956)
Count Alexis Grabbe (*1960)
Countess Xenia Grabbe (*1963), m.1989 Alexander Levitsky (2 children)
Countess Olga Grabbe (*1965), m.1990 Dana S. Dewey (3 children)
Countess Maria Grabbe (*1965) m.1994 Richard Melody

Duchess Olga von Leuchtenberg (*1932), m.1952 Oleg Gaydeburov (*1922)

George Gaydeburov (1953-1975)
Nina Gaydeburov (*1956)

*indicates living person
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on July 01, 2008, 02:46:17 AM
Where I search portraits Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaievna and her husband, Maximilian, Duke of Leuchtenberg&
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: BarefootContessa on July 28, 2008, 05:07:53 AM
In Behind the Veil at the Russian Court it states her marriage to Max was made "from sheer disappointment at having missed a brilliant alliance which her coquetry had caused to be abandoned."

Does anyone know more about this failed "brilliant alliance"?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on July 28, 2008, 02:00:20 PM
In Behind the Veil at the Russian Court it states her marriage to Max was made "from sheer disappointment at having missed a brilliant alliance which her coquetry had caused to be abandoned."

Does anyone know more about this failed "brilliant alliance"?

Her mother introduced a Holland Prince to Maria, a son of Grand Duchess Anna Pavlovna and King Willem II but Maria called young man "ill-bred gawk". Probably this was one of the failed "brilliant alliances". Actually there were few "brilliant" suitors for Grand Duchesses those times as the rank of the girls was very high.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: BarefootContessa on July 29, 2008, 04:58:22 PM
Thank you, Svetabel!  Where do you find all these tiny details?  :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on July 30, 2008, 12:39:57 AM
Thank you, Svetabel!  Where do you find all these tiny details?  :)

Books, books, books. Various books on the Romanovs and their relatives. Internet is not a great and reliable source of info, so the books rule.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: cimbrio on September 11, 2008, 03:04:46 PM
Daria seems to me a rather tragic figure.

The information on her (online and in book) is rather scarce and inaccurate. I have seen her death (always by execution) listed as having taken place on "after 1930", "November 5th 1938", "November 4th 1937" and "1937". Her husband's death is also rather inaccurate.

I wonder why on earth would she still be living in the USSR, when half of her family had been exiled and/or murdered. I don't think she could have led a confortable life in the Soviet Union.

I've read online that she actually married four times, one of them to a Spaniard, can anyone comment on that? Did she have any children by any marriage (I've seen she had at least a son by Prince Kotchoubey)? What became of her family? Did she actually have any counter-Soviet contacts?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on September 11, 2008, 05:12:21 PM

Daria seems to me a rather tragic figure.

i agree.


Quote
I've read online that she actually married four times, one of them to a Spaniard, can anyone comment on that? Did she have any children by any marriage (I've seen she had at least a son by Prince Kotchoubey)? What became of her family?

i don't think she had any children other than the 2 she had by pr Kotchubey...   (i could be mistaken about that, however.)

Evgen & Natalia (?) Kotchubey      unfortunately, i'm blanking on their patronymic @ the moment..

(click on the image for a larger version)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/kotchuby%20palace/CMCapture28.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/kotchuby%20palace/CMCapture28.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on September 11, 2008, 05:59:32 PM



i found my post w/ the info:


the children of prince Lev Mikhailovich Kochubey
& his 1st wife (div. 1911), countess Daria Evgenievna de Beauharnais

prince Evgenii Lvovich Kochubey de Beauharnais (1894-1951)
princess Natalya Lvovna Kochubey de Beauharnais (1899-1979)

(click on the image for a larger version)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/kotchuby%20palace/CMCapture28.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/kotchuby%20palace/CMCapture28.jpg)


**Note: the name "Kochubey de Beauharnais" is the surname listed on the website
http://www.angelfire.com/in/heinbruins/Bavaria.html 

entries:
  2.7.5.1.1. (Evgenii)
&
  2.7.5.1.2. (Natalya) )


***Note:  there was another woman with the name Natalya Kochubey de Beauharnais, this one born in 1923 (entry: 2.7.5.1.1.2.), and was the daughter of Evgenii and therefore, was the niece of the Natalya in the foto above.

.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on September 11, 2008, 11:17:13 PM

from:
http://www.geocities.com/henrivanoene/genleuchtenberg.html


Daria Countess de Beauharnais
* St. Petersburg, March 19th n.s., 1870
† (executed) Leningrad (today: St. Petersburg), November 5th, 1938

Married 1:
Baden-Baden, September 7th, 1893:   
Lev Mikhailovitch Prince Kotchoubey
* June 23rd n.s., 1862
† Paris, May 9th, 1927
(Divorced: 1911)

Married 2:
St. Petersburg, February 22nd, 1911:
Woldemar Alexander Eduard Freiherr von Grävenitz
* Wierny, November 12th n.s., 1872
† Helsinki, May 24th, 1916

Married 3:
Victor Aleksandrovitch Markezetti
* ...
† (executed) Leningrad (today: St. Petersburg), January 15th, 1938

=======================
=======================


and according to:
http://gsteinbe.intrasun.tcnj.edu/royalty/tables/NikolaiI.html

Daria's daughter Natalya, had no offspring and eventually took the veil as Sister Sophia O.S.B.

=======================
=======================



Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: David Pritchard on November 20, 2008, 07:17:11 PM
I see constant photo's of ladies of the Leuchtenberg line, with the title Her Imperial Highness..but were they "Imperial"?

The Leuchtenbergs better known in Imperial times as the Princes Romanovsky were only permitted to pass on the style of Imperial Highness and  membership in the Imperial House (and the pension that went with it) if they contracted equal marriages like all of the other members of the Imperial Family. Children of unequal marriages lost their postions within the Imperial House, the Russian Princely title of Romanovsky, the style of HIH or HH but were permitted to retain their there naturalised foreign title of Dukes and Duchesses of Leuchtenberg and style of Serene.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: yussupov29 on January 18, 2009, 04:01:01 PM


Were the Leuchtenberg-Romanowsky family descendents of Eugène-Rose de Beauharnais, the stepson of Napoleon I Bonaparte, who married a Baverian princes?Beauharnais was made Duke of Leuchtenberg by his father in law king Maximilian I Joseph of Baviera.

In munich there is a palais Leuchtenberg in Ludwigstraße. A beautiful, big palace which today houses the ministry of finance.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on January 19, 2009, 01:07:42 AM


Were the Leuchtenberg-Romanowsky family descendents of Eugène-Rose de Beauharnais, the stepson of Napoleon I Bonaparte, who married a Baverian princes?Beauharnais was made Duke of Leuchtenberg by his father in law king Maximilian I Joseph of Baviera.


Yes, the Leuchtenbergs were descendants of Eugene de Beauharnais and Augusta of Bavaria.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: ashdean on January 19, 2009, 12:04:56 PM
After the revolution the head of the Leutchenberg family returned to his ancestral family estate in Bavaria.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: yussupov29 on January 19, 2009, 12:15:12 PM
Do you know where the family lives today?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: ashdean on January 21, 2009, 05:40:39 AM
I think part of the family emigrated to Canada.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Lucien on January 22, 2009, 01:57:11 AM


Were the Leuchtenberg-Romanowsky family descendents of Eugène-Rose de Beauharnais, the stepson of Napoleon I Bonaparte, who married a Baverian princes?Beauharnais was made Duke of Leuchtenberg by his father in law king Maximilian I Joseph of Baviera.

In munich there is a palais Leuchtenberg in Ludwigstraße. A beautiful, big palace which today houses the ministry of finance.

Eugene´s cenotaph in the Michaelskirche,Mùnchen:

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-countries/germany/munich/michaelskirche/1781%20Eugene.JPG

The tomb of Eugene de Leuchtenberg in the Michaelskirche,Munich:
http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-countries/germany/munich/michaelskirche/17.JPG

Augusta Amalia´s tomb:
http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-countries/germany/munich/michaelskirche/18.JPG

Courtesy Mardam´s wonderfull site.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 18, 2009, 02:55:55 PM
Famous Daria of Leuchtenberg when a little girl

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/--1.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/bb1df248.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Teddy on February 19, 2009, 03:37:07 PM
In the war time correspondence of Nicky and Alix, Daria is mentioned 2 or 3 times. For what I understand of this lady, is that she was very pushing,  begging and very demanding.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 20, 2009, 12:27:31 AM
In the war time correspondence of Nicky and Alix, Daria is mentioned 2 or 3 times. For what I understand of this lady, is that she was very pushing,  begging and very demanding.

She was a Grand Dame,who did what she wanted and didn't mind what other people thought about that.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: andypryce on May 23, 2009, 04:09:34 PM
Can anyone tell me which Leuchtenberg's are alive today, plus any information on where they are now living and their status etc.

Any info would be much appreciated, thanks.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on May 28, 2009, 12:45:55 AM
Can anyone tell me which Leuchtenberg's are alive today, plus any information on where they are now living and their status etc.

Any info would be much appreciated, thanks.

All living today Leuchtenbergs are descendants of Duke Nikolai (1843-91), eldest son of GDss MN and Duke Max of Leuchtenberg.

Here's the genealogy:

http://www.geocities.com/henrivanoene/genleuchtenberg.html#george (http://www.geocities.com/henrivanoene/genleuchtenberg.html#george)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: andypryce on June 06, 2009, 04:38:59 PM
Can anyone tell me which Leuchtenberg's are alive today, plus any information on where they are now living and their status etc.

Any info would be much appreciated, thanks.

All living today Leuchtenbergs are descendants of Duke Nikolai (1843-91), eldest son of GDss MN and Duke Max of Leuchtenberg.

Here's the genealogy:

http://www.geocities.com/henrivanoene/genleuchtenberg.html#george (http://www.geocities.com/henrivanoene/genleuchtenberg.html#george)



Thanks for that.  Does anyone have any further information on where the surviving members of the family are now living and their status etc.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Luc on July 10, 2009, 04:47:14 AM
This portrait depicts Maximilian, Duke of Leuchtenberg. He was GD Maria Nikolayevna's husband. The portrait was made by the painter Karl Stieler, who also has done some portraits of the Bavarian royal family.


http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2www/descrPage.mac/descrPage?selLang=English&indexClass=PICTURE_EN&PID=GJ-8802&numView=1&ID_NUM=1&thumbFile=%2Ftmplobs%2FRZ5E4WFPBE94VIJ16.jpg&embViewVer=last&comeFrom=quick&sorting=no&thumbId=6&numResults=2&tmCond=stieler&searchIndex=TAGFILEN&author=Stieler%2C%26%2332%3BJoseph%26%2332%3BKarl
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 10, 2009, 10:58:08 AM
Hi,

What a wonderful picture - so vivid....
It reminds me of "Master Lambton" aka 'The Red Boy'....

Larry
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on August 04, 2009, 05:28:08 AM
(http://www.picatom.com/11/1858mnbyraffet%20copy-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/11/1858mnbyraffet%20copy-1.html)

GDss Maria Nikolayevna in 1858 by Denis Raffet.

And her morganatic second spouse Count Stroganov, by the same artist, in 1858

(http://www.picatom.com/11/1858%20copy-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/11/1858%20copy-1.html)

The last sketch was presented to the Russian Museum in St-Petersburg by the owners who had bought it on Christies.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on August 12, 2009, 10:38:40 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/vladimir%20fam/gdmarian.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on November 10, 2009, 10:16:36 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Leuchtenberg/hpqscan0004.jpg)
Prince Eugene (photo is really dark, sorry I wasn't able to make it lighter)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/8a-1.jpg)

Zenaide de Leuchtenberg, nee Skobeleff wife of Prince Eugene & mistress of GD Alexei

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 11, 2009, 03:48:17 PM
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/vladimir%20fam/gdmarian.jpg (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/vladimir%20fam/gdmarian.jpg)

she looks mean...:/
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 11, 2009, 03:58:52 PM
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Leuchtenberg/hpqscan0004.jpg (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Leuchtenberg/hpqscan0004.jpg)
Prince Eugene (photo is really dark, sorry I wasn't able to make it lighter)

 



I tried to make it lighter. not so good tho

(http://i38.tinypic.com/2pp0jye.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on November 12, 2009, 07:28:14 PM
I wish Ferrand has printed a better quality photo of Eugene .

Two more photos of Zenaida
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Leuchtenberg/hpqscan0007-1.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Leuchtenberg/hpqscan0005-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 12, 2009, 09:46:35 PM
ashanti01, your the queen of photos *bows down*
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on November 12, 2009, 09:51:41 PM
lol

not really...just someone with a Romanov and Youssoupoff obsession.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 12, 2009, 09:53:06 PM
Thats still good. thanks for sharing your wonderful photos. :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on November 27, 2009, 11:54:53 PM
So fascinating with semi-imperial hang-arounds like the Leuchtenberg!

Long-time lurker here with some questions for the Leuchtenberg experts out there:

-  I presume the title of Nicholas Leuchtenberg and Nadezhda Annenkova's children, whose offspring all were Dukes and Duchesses of Leuchtenberg, was Russian, as the original Bavarian title was inherited by primogeniture? Was then this title, герцог Лейхтенбергский, perhaps the only Russian ducal title?

- The comital family of Grabbe which some Leuchtenbergs married into, and which I take hailed from Kexholm in Finland and appearantly had been governors of Vyborg centuries earlier under the Swedes, were they related the famous Danish noble family Krabbe?

- Does anybody know what the third quarter in the original Leuchtenberg arms (http://www.heraldique-europeenne.org/Regions/France/Blasons/Eugene_Leuchtenberg.gif), a sword on a green field with golden stars, represents? Must be some honour or title of Eugène Beauharnais. (The other quarters are Leuchtenberg, Eichstätt and Beauharnais, with, I suppose, the vice-regal crown if Italy or some other arch-office or notion of royal dignity overall.)

- In Russian Leuchtenberg is written Лейхтенберг and Beauharnais Богарне. Are they just spelled that way or do people actually pronounce them /leixtenberg/ and /bogarne/? What about Imperial times? Since they spoke a lot of French, did they say /lœʃtenberg/? Just for the record, the German pronunciation is ['lɔɪ̯çtənbɛrk].

On a related note: Is Гогенцоллерн actually pronounced /gogentsolern/ if the transcription with h→г is used instead of the more accurate Хоэнцоллерн? Same with the ubiquitous Гессен, of course. Do Russians speak of /aleksandra fyodorovna gessenskaja/?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on November 28, 2009, 03:38:40 AM
So fascinating with semi-imperial hang-arounds like the Leuchtenberg!

Long-time lurker here with some questions for the Leuchtenberg experts out there:

-  I presume the title of Nicholas Leuchtenberg and Nadezhda Annenkova's children, whose offspring all were Dukes and Duchesses of Leuchtenberg, was Russian, as the original Bavarian title was inherited by primogeniture? Was then this title, герцог Лейхтенбергский, perhaps the only Russian ducal title?

- The comital family of Grabbe which some Leuchtenbergs married into, and which I take hailed from Kexholm in Finland and appearantly had been governors of Vyborg centuries earlier under the Swedes, were they related the famous Danish noble family Krabbe?

- Does anybody know what the third quarter in the original Leuchtenberg arms (http://www.heraldique-europeenne.org/Regions/France/Blasons/Eugene_Leuchtenberg.gif), a sword on a green field with golden stars, represents? Must be some honour or title of Eugène Beauharnais. (The other quarters are Leuchtenberg, Eichstätt and Beauharnais, with, I suppose, the vice-regal crown if Italy or some other arch-office or notion of royal dignity overall.)

- In Russian Leuchtenberg is written Лейхтенберг and Beauharnais Богарне. Are they just spelled that way or do people actually pronounce them /leixtenberg/ and /bogarne/? What about Imperial times? Since they spoke a lot of French, did they say /lœʃtenberg/? Just for the record, the German pronunciation is ['lɔɪ̯çtənbɛrk].

On a related note: Is Гогенцоллерн actually pronounced /gogentsolern/ if the transcription with h→г is used instead of the more accurate Хоэнцоллерн? Same with the ubiquitous Гессен, of course. Do Russians speak of /aleksandra fyodorovna gessenskaja/?

The Leuchtenberg is not the only one Russian Ducal title. In the 1840s Emperor Nicholas I granted the Ducal title to Prince Petr of Oldenburg, his nephew.

Grabbe and Krabbe are different family names.

In Russian Leuchtenberg is written Лейхтенберг and Beauharnais Богарне, and they sounded the same - /leixtenberg/ and /bogarne/ - as you wrote. In the XIX century contemporaries pronounced the same way though I'v seen another transcription and pronouncing - such as Lichtenberg.

In Russian Hohenzollern and Hessen sound with G - Гогенцоллерн и Гессен.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: katmaxoz on January 10, 2010, 12:31:07 AM
In the grand duchess Alexandra Nikoleyena there was a question if there were paintings of this lady...there are indeed. I have to say I don't know much about these sisters, but it's obvious they liked the artist Christina Robertson for their portraits.

1840

(http://i50.tinypic.com/zmbg4m.jpg)

1841

(http://i47.tinypic.com/10gfnsn.jpg)

1846

(http://i47.tinypic.com/157doah.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/r7loy9.jpg)

1857 - painted by Winterhalter

(http://i47.tinypic.com/5v89dd.jpg)


Does anyone know a good book on these sisters lives?


Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: katmaxoz on January 10, 2010, 04:43:45 PM
It does look like her paintings doesn't it?  If it is her then it's a nice early photo dating from the 1840s.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on January 10, 2010, 06:07:54 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4046/4264376760_f34a0ef35a.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2727/4264401212_7da3b05ac1.jpg)



(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4049/4264401200_013965774b_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on January 10, 2010, 06:40:28 PM

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2781/4264496236_7b79c5bb2a.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/4263732219_345312348e.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Veronica on January 10, 2010, 06:40:55 PM
1837:

(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/535/marianikolaievna18371.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on January 11, 2010, 09:38:08 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4071/4267340263_2a0042f172.jpg)

I think this is Maria...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 12, 2010, 10:01:42 AM
Found in other forum as MAria Nikolaevna


(http://i47.tinypic.com/20fau06.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on January 15, 2010, 07:26:45 AM
A Leuchtenberg question:

- Does anybody know what the third quarter in the original Leuchtenberg arms (http://www.heraldique-europeenne.org/Regions/France/Blasons/Eugene_Leuchtenberg.gif), a sword on a green field with golden stars, represents? Must be some honour or title of Eugène Beauharnais. (The other quarters are Leuchtenberg, Eichstätt and Beauharnais, with, I suppose, the vice-regal crown if Italy or some other arch-office or notion of royal dignity overall.)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Blason_Eug%C3%A8ne_de_Beauharnais_%281781-1824%29.svg/109px-Blason_Eug%C3%A8ne_de_Beauharnais_%281781-1824%29.svg.png)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: katmaxoz on February 06, 2010, 10:20:20 PM
1835 - miniature of Maria painted by Vladimir Hau

(http://i45.tinypic.com/v8ef5h.jpg)


Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: katmaxoz on February 06, 2010, 10:22:42 PM
i found this picture as " Grand duchess maria Nikolaevna". Any chance that this is really her?

http://i49.tinypic.com/2zygyoj.jpg (http://i49.tinypic.com/2zygyoj.jpg)





for what it's worth I found this image in a book on photographs from the soviet archives also labelled as Maria Nikolayevna c1840 so there's a very good chance it is her.

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on February 07, 2010, 04:08:39 PM
Very nice, katmaxoz. 
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 04:46:54 AM
Photosession of GDss Maria Nikolayevna, in Paris I think

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/95f6207a.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1ed413f0.jpg)

with son Georgiy (that Georgiy was rumored to be a son Count Stroganov)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/withgeorgiy.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 04:48:33 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/---1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 04:49:04 AM
Princess Eugenia Maximilianovna

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_1858.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 04:51:38 AM
Femme fatale of Duke Nikolay of Leuchtenberg, eldest son of GDss Maria N.

(I had posted earlier at this  topic some pictures of the couple)

Nadezhda Akinfieva, morganatic spouse of Duke Nikolay

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/--2.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/838a9ef8.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/--.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_-.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 04:52:37 AM
Here's Nadezhda with her 2 sons

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 04:53:34 AM
Duke Nikolay-younger, eldest son of Duke Nikolay and Nadezhda, with his spouse Marie

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/81eb886f.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Teddy on February 08, 2010, 05:57:56 AM
From which book are the pictures Svetabel? They are wonderfull.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 07:49:01 AM
From which book are the pictures Svetabel? They are wonderfull.

Some photos are from a Russian bio on GDss Maria N. The photos of Nadezhda are from the book which tells a story of the romance between her and Duke Nikolay.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Veronica on February 08, 2010, 01:35:54 PM
Photosession of GDss Maria Nikolayevna, in Paris I think

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/95f6207a.jpg)

Yes, it was taken in Paris by Disderi. Two more from the session:

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5664/marianicolaievna23.jpg)

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5007/marianikolaievna32a.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 11:08:09 PM
Yes, Disderi, I've recalled finally ; ). Thanks for sharing the last photo of GDss MN, new to me.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on February 10, 2010, 05:59:15 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4057/4346793589_ed8939ce23.jpg)

Portrait by artist Feodor Alexeev believed to be baby Maria Nikolaevna.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 11, 2010, 01:33:57 AM
More of Nadezhda Akinfieva, spouse of Duke Nikolay

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_-8.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_-9.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/--3.jpg)

And her husband Duke Nikolay, who as they said was the most talented son of GDss Maria N. His career was ruined after escaping abroad with Nadehzda, and his Uncle Alexander II always regretted about Nikolay. Nikolay itself  was missing Russia all his life abroad but he didn't left Nadezhda and their sons.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/f904ac03.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 11, 2010, 01:36:24 AM
Other Leuchtenbergs

Duke Georgiy with his daughter Elena

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_-10.jpg)

Duke Sergei Georgievitch, 2nd son of Duke Georgiy

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/--4.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 11, 2010, 01:38:33 AM
In looking for information on the descendants of Olga and Xenia Contantinovna von Leuchtenberg (daughters of Constantin Georgevich von Leuchtenberg and Darya Alexievna Obolensky). Most genealogies mention their marriages, but fail to indicate any children/grandchildren.
Thank you.

A quick Internet search yielded the following information:

Duke Constantine von Leuchtenberg (1905-1983) m.1929 Princess Daria Obolensky (1903-1982)



Here's Duke Konstantin, grandson of Duke Nikolay (see above) with his spouse Daria.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_-11.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: ndow on February 13, 2010, 11:43:55 AM
Hi Guys,

  This is my first time to post here.  I am hoping someone can settle a dispute.  The Faberge Museum in Baden has posted on it's website a picture of a necklace with a double MM cipher surmounted by a Russian imperial crown.  They attribute this jewel to Maria Nikolayevna's daughter Marie Maximilianovna.  This is the link to that pic:  http://www.rnm.ru/index.php?id=41&m=261.  A friend says this must be a fraud because Marie Maximilianovna was not entitled to the use of an imperial symbol as she was a Leuchtenberg.  I thought that because of her adoption into the imperial family, she would be entitled. at least during the time between the adoption and her marriage.  Can anyone with a bigger library help me out here? Were the Leuchtenbergs entitled to use the Imperial Crown in their monograms? 

  Two, can someone recommend a book showing the coat of arms (pictured on page one) that I can use as a reference--because that is the Imperial Crown shown.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 14, 2010, 12:42:40 AM
Hi Guys,

  This is my first time to post here.  I am hoping someone can settle a dispute.  The Faberge Museum in Baden has posted on it's website a picture of a necklace with a double MM cipher surmounted by a Russian imperial crown.  They attribute this jewel to Maria Nikolayevna's daughter Marie Maximilianovna.  This is the link to that pic:  http://www.rnm.ru/index.php?id=41&m=261.  A friend says this must be a fraud because Marie Maximilianovna was not entitled to the use of an imperial symbol as she was a Leuchtenberg.  I thought that because of her adoption into the imperial family, she would be entitled. at least during the time between the adoption and her marriage.  Can anyone with a bigger library help me out here? Were the Leuchtenbergs entitled to use the Imperial Crown in their monograms? 

  Two, can someone recommend a book showing the coat of arms (pictured on page one) that I can use as a reference--because that is the Imperial Crown shown.

Thanks.

Maria Maximilianovna was not a Grand Duchess as the site refers but she was the Imperial Highness. In 1852 Tzar Nicholas I granted the Imperial Highness title to the children of GDss Maria Nikolyaevna.

Here's coat of arms of the Leuchtenbergs:

(http://pic.wapedia.mobi/thumb/9fad14654/ru/max/528/480/Leihtenberg_COA.jpg?format=jpg,png,gif,wbmp&loadexternal=1)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: ndow on February 14, 2010, 10:17:29 AM
Thanks Swetabel for your reply!

  Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the history of Russian titles and the Imperial Family to know if that answered my question.  Could this necklace pendant, http://www.rnm.ru/index.php?id=41&m=261, have been made for Maria Maximilianovna?  I know it would have been for her to give away, but is that actually her cipher?  Would she as a Leuchtenberg been allowed the use of the Russian Imperial Crown on ciphers/monograms.  And during what period in her life?  I know after her marriage she would have the use of the Baden iconography.  But would she have commissioned this piece?  Would the granting of the title Imperial Highness to the children of Maria Nikolayevna given them the privilege under, Russian law, of using the Russian Imperial Crown on stationary, presentation pieces, and so forth?  Or is this jewel misidentified entirely?

Many thanks to anyone who can help teach me.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 15, 2010, 12:36:41 AM
Could this necklace pendant, http://www.rnm.ru/index.php?id=41&m=261, have been made for Maria Maximilianovna?  I know it would have been for her to give away, but is that actually her cipher?  Would she as a Leuchtenberg been allowed the use of the Russian Imperial Crown on ciphers/monograms.  And during what period in her life?  I know after her marriage she would have the use of the Baden iconography.  But would she have commissioned this piece?  Would the granting of the title Imperial Highness to the children of Maria Nikolayevna given them the privilege under, Russian law, of using the Russian Imperial Crown on stationary, presentation pieces, and so forth?  Or is this jewel misidentified entirely?

Many thanks to anyone who can help teach me.

Once granted the title of Imperial Highness couldn't be taken away. As MM was the Imperial Highness since 1852 year she had the right to use this title all her life. Her title in Russia sounds like: "Her Imperial Highness Duchess Maria Maximilianovna, Princess of Baden", so as well as with other Russian Romanov women or their close relatives her title by birth was on the 1st place.
I can't say anything exactly about her cipher but that one on the site COULD be hers as the IH title gave a right to use the Imperial Crown on the ciphers and so on...
By the way, if that piece is by Faberge it can't be given to her when she was marrying Prince of Baden in 1863. That pendant could be made in 1880-1890s when Faberge House was getting fashionable.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: ndow on February 16, 2010, 12:07:34 AM
Thanks, Svetabel.
I really appreciate the info.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on February 17, 2010, 12:11:16 AM
Just returning for Mardi Gras, day of extravagant self-indulgence.

Here's coat of arms of the Leuchtenbergs:
(http://pic.wapedia.mobi/thumb/9fad14654/ru/max/528/480/Leihtenberg_COA.jpg?format=jpg,png,gif,wbmp&loadexternal=1)

Yes, that's the arms of the Russian Dukes and Duchesses of Leuchtenberg (seems like daughters like Maria also were entitled to use the ducal title under the Russian (re-)grant), topped by a princely/ducal cap and with the second quarter in the original Bavarian grant missing, because it referred to the Principality of Eichstätt, which was secularized church property which I understand Duke Maximilian returned to the Bavarian Government when he married Maria Nikolaievna and settled in Russia. With the refund he bought estates in Tambov Governate.

BTW - does anybody know what the second quarter (third quarter in the original grant), a sword on a green field with golden stars, represents? Some allusion to Eugène de Beauharnais' military career?
(The blue fess is the ancient arms of the Landgraviate of Leuchtenberg and the black fess with the ducks are the Beauharnais arms.)

But - as Her Imperial Highness, Princess Romanovskaya, Maria Maximilovna was entitled to use these arms (on a golden lozenge crowned with the Imperial Crown, the Imperial Eagle) as her lesser arms. (http://www.heraldicum.ru/russia/family/family24.gif) This according to this wonderful Russian site, which shows the heraldic achievements of all types of members of the Imperial Family (the Princes Romanovsky are at the bottom):Гербы императорской фамилии (http://www.heraldicum.ru/russia/family.htm).

According to the same site and the Russian Wikipedia article on the Leuchtenbergs, the great arms of the Leuchtenbergs as Their Imperial Highnesses, Princes and Princesses Romanovsky were:
Большой герб князей Романовских - золотой двуглавый орел с четверочастным щитком на груди. В щитках:
1) и 4) голубой пояс в серебре;
2) серебряный меч в зелени, в главе шесть золотых звезд;
3) черный пояс и три черные птицы на серебре;
В щитке на золотом поле красный вензель императора Николая I. Щит увенчан герцогской короной. Главный щит увенчан шлемом Александра Невского. Вокруг - цепь ордена Андрея Первозванного. Намет - золото и чернь. Щитодержателия - два золотых грифа с красными глазами и языками. Вместо сени - золотая мантия, усеянная черными двуглавыми орлами, подложенная горностаем; над нею императорская корона.

(roughly)=
On a shield with the Imperial Eagle an inescutcheon crowned with a ducal cap with the four ducal Leuchtenberg quarters above and over-all an inescutcheon  with the golden monogramm of Nicholas I on red. The whole adorned with such trappings as the helmet of Alexander Nevsky, orders, griffins as supporters and eagle-studded golden, ermine-lined Imperial mantle, crowned with the Imperial Crown.

So yes, there is also heraldic evidence of Maria Maximilovna being entitled to use the Imperial Crown, like Svetabel already confirmed.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on February 17, 2010, 01:54:25 AM
Here is a link to an image of the great arms described above, with the accurate description. You can just make out Nicholas I's monogramm in the inescutcheon: Герб князей Романовских, герцогов Лейхтенбергских. (http://geraldika.ru/files/080514010426885.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on February 17, 2010, 08:46:30 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2682/4366994268_549ff1f188.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna by Vladimir Hau.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on February 21, 2010, 02:52:57 AM
Yes, that's the arms of the Russian Dukes and Duchesses of Leuchtenberg (seems like daughters like Maria also were entitled to use the ducal title under the Russian (re-)grant), topped by a princely/ducal cap and with the second quarter in the original Bavarian grant missing, because it referred to the Principality of Eichstätt, which was secularized church property which I understand Duke Maximilian returned to the Bavarian Government when he married Maria Nikolaievna and settled in Russia. With the refund he bought estates in Tambov Governate.
Correction: Although the Eichstätt residence and property was returned to Bavaria in the 1850s, I see that the big sale which earned them 20 million (roubles?, thalers?, anyway a fortune) was of property in the Marche province of the Papal States, and they sold to the Pope. It was probably something left from their ancestor's time as Viceroy of Italy.

And - does anybody know where in the Tambov Governate their estate(s) were? I have searched but found nothing, but remain interested, as I see that Tambov Governate borders the Voronezh Governate where the Oldenburgs had their estate Ramon. Ramon lies outside the city of Voronezh, just where the extremely fertile Black Soil farmland meets a huge forest, probably well suited for picnics and hunting. I see that the city of Tambov has a similar location, bordering a huge forest in the middle of the flat Black Soil farmland, so it would be interesting to know if the Leuchtenbergs enjoyed a similiarly attractive property. And of course I am curious about what their estate looked like. (And how much of the Tambov Governate you could buy with 20 million!)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Marc on February 23, 2010, 09:46:12 AM
One question:Who would take a precedence in the case of two cousins:Princess Elena von Leuchtenberg(daughter of Anastasia and George) as an Imperial Highness or for example her cousin Her Royal Highness Princess Helena Petrovna of Russia?Does the Imperial Highness of Leuchtenberg family outranks for example a Princess who is a Royal Highness or just Her Highness but a member of a ruling family who doesn't have the style of Imperial Highness?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Teddy on February 23, 2010, 03:47:50 PM
If you mean Helena Petrovna who married the son of KR, I think she is ranked above her cousin because her husband had still rights to the throne trough the male line and Elena has her rights trough the female line.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Marc on February 23, 2010, 06:50:43 PM
Yes,I thought of her just as example because she was a Royal Highness which is below the Imperial Highness held by Princess Elena von Leuchtenberg for example,but also wonder about the situation of other Princesses of Blood who were styled just Highness on contrast to Leuchtenbergs who were all Imperial Highnesses so don't know who will take the precedence?Member of a ruling House with succession rights to the Throne through male line only styled Highness or member of non-ruling House with succession rights to the Throne through female line styled Imperial Highness which outranks just plane Highness?

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Teddy on February 24, 2010, 02:47:56 AM
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/wedding/

If we look at the wedding ceremony of the Tsar and the Empress in 1894 I think we can read the answer.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Marc on February 24, 2010, 09:58:57 AM
For me,this list is still confusing to answer my question because you have His Highness Duke Johan Albrecht von Mecklenburg-Schwerin in front of their Imperial Highnesses Grand Duke Vladimir and Maria Pavlovna...

Still,there there are no Highnesses(Princes of Blood) from the reigning Imperial family on this list to compare them to their Imperial Highnesses from Leuchtenberg family...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on March 19, 2010, 05:18:00 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4446612842_5ab5e68b6c_o.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna by Hau

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2738/4445838803_bef6ccb570_o.jpg)

Children of Maria Nikolaevna and the Duke of Leuchtenberg, also by Hau
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on March 21, 2010, 07:56:40 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4452008817_a660e0d6f1_o.jpg)

The Leuchtenberg children, by Hau.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/4452809582_87ab22780c_o.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna by Christina Robertson.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Marie Valerie on April 05, 2010, 01:07:36 PM
Are there any paintings or photos of Georgi of Leuchtenberg and Anastasia of Montenegros children Elena and Sergej?

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Marc on April 05, 2010, 04:34:00 PM
You have their photos on some other thread...try Leuchtenberg thread,but unfortunately I don't think there are any paintings of them :-(
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: kmerov on April 05, 2010, 05:48:49 PM
Here is a picture of Elena Leuchtenberg.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/petmarjel-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on April 06, 2010, 03:23:58 AM
Are there any paintings or photos of Georgi of Leuchtenberg and Anastasia of Montenegros children Elena and Sergej?



See previous pages.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on April 10, 2010, 07:38:30 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4509467192_5a06c90d72_o.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna by Neff.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: ndow on April 14, 2010, 10:59:47 AM
Does anyone know where I could read a copy of the adoption decree/ukase of 1852 where Nicholas I formally adopted Maria Nikolayevna's children into the imperial family?  I think there were two decrees issued, one dated Feb. 18 1852 and a second decree dated Dec. 6 1852.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Sara Araújo on May 01, 2010, 06:13:15 AM
Maria:
(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAADQh1aHHHTYebNkhRbeE3SjP9qxvvirup-MDCcDpl6jEt8xDWzOA8yNH0_kmEdRT5-B3VTGiK8L3aS0exZAZtsMAm1T1UEOxkjNOdSqyH8Jqu3wOlileF2rc.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 12, 2010, 02:58:01 PM
Maria painted with red hair, 1846

(http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/3/17/683/17683349_Vel.jpg)

1844

(http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/3/17/788/17788624_V.jpg)

With sister olga by Neff. 1838

(http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/3/17/682/17682471_Timofey_Andreevich_Neff_Portret_vel.JPG)

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Veronica on June 17, 2010, 05:05:54 PM
Maria Nikolaievna

(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6835/marianikolaievnaae2ct3l.jpg)

(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8297/marianikolaeivnawgq.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on June 18, 2010, 01:28:33 AM
Eugenia of Leuchtenberg

1861

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1861-1.jpg)

1866

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/eug1.jpg)

1865

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1865.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1865eug1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1865eug.jpg)

1866-1867

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/186567.jpg)

1864

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1864eug.jpg)

1863

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1863eug.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: THERRY on June 18, 2010, 01:44:42 AM
Many thanks for the photos. Is the first time that I see !!!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on June 21, 2010, 01:51:22 AM
Eugenia in 1860

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1860-1.jpg)

Her sister Marie in 1863

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1863-3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/162d5a29.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/a862582e.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on June 21, 2010, 01:57:16 AM
Duke Sergei of Leuchtenberg, killed in Russian-Turkish war

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/sergeileucht.jpg)

Duke Eugen of Leuchtenberg,spouse of famous Zina de Beauharnais and father of Daria

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/eugleucht.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/16e3e717.jpg)

Dukes Sergei and Georgiy

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/12ee2a73.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on June 21, 2010, 10:15:25 PM
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1342/4723355198_8f77b2837a_b.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna by Weiss.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: katmaxoz on July 19, 2010, 05:45:25 AM
Grand Duchess Maria Nicolaevna

1857 - I'm not sure who  she's with in this picture.

(http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/47840/2993253980102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2993253980102753164jlnQye)



c1860

(http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/43956/2520049150102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2520049150102753164uSJMnA)

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on July 20, 2010, 01:20:43 AM
Grand Duchess Maria Nicolaevna

1857 - I'm not sure who  she's with in this picture.




I had posted the image at 10 page of this topic, with watermark though. More likely that's Georgiy.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: violetta on August 01, 2010, 08:27:22 AM
Maria Maximilianovna, the daughter of grand duchess Maria Nikolaevna, was often called "auntie Marusya of Baden" (tyotya Marusya Badenskaya) by the Romanovs. I c ame across this name while reading Nikolay II`s diaries. Marusya is diminutive of maria.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: violetta on August 01, 2010, 08:40:34 AM
Previously there was a discussion on grand duchess maria nikolaevna`s suitors. one of them was the hereditary duke of saxe-weimar, the son of maria pavlovna, maria`s first couin. in fact, it was maria pavlovna who wanted this match, not her son. when maria pavlovna came to st petersburg she wanted to find a bride for the heir of saxe-weimar throne.first she talked to maria ad was turned down,then she turned to her sister olga, the future queen of wuerttemberg ad was turned down again. mariage between first cousins wasn`t allowed in russia but having lived in germany she probably got used to the fact that such marriages wee uite common and frequent. maria pavlovna`s so didn`t participate in his mother` activities.he knew what wa going on but he pretended that he didin`t.according to olga nikolaevna, he behaved as if nothing special was going on.he was friendly and cheerful
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Sara Araújo on August 15, 2010, 06:20:18 AM
I've found this portrait of her at Ajuda Palace, in Portugal:

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAAOxVcnLUqY1ttc4kCrUpX0pCGAZlekCHARV8CPx_tnIfJRixPqqugc54ZdZY_R5RVFuMo2u18CjcnUm4aWsdE74Am1T1UH6LW5S_do2PuoyAv7bxQUSVg3TN.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on August 15, 2010, 07:20:09 PM
That's absolutely beautiful, Sara.  This is the first time I've seen a colored version; thanks for sharing.
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Post by: gogm on August 17, 2010, 03:42:18 AM
It looks like a Joseph Stieler work.
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Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on August 17, 2010, 04:49:53 AM
It looks like a Joseph Stieler work.

Yes, it looks like a picture of the "gallery of beauties" in Munich.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Sara Araújo on August 17, 2010, 08:54:35 AM
I left the palace wondering why they had a portrait of her, though.  :P
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Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on August 17, 2010, 09:34:37 AM
Maybe the curator was very interested in the Romanov family ;D Or it was just a question of money as always.
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Post by: Veronica on August 17, 2010, 05:40:04 PM
I guess her portrait is in Ajuda Palace because she was married to Maximilian of Beauharnais, and he was the brother of Auguste, 2nd duke of Leuchtenberg, who was queen Maria II's first husband.
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Post by: Sara Araújo on August 20, 2010, 03:58:18 AM
Yes, that actually makes sense!  :) They had a lot of paintings of Beauharnais family members throughout the palace.
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Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on October 19, 2010, 03:51:17 AM
Here's coat of arms of the Leuchtenbergs:
(http://pic.wapedia.mobi/thumb/9fad14654/ru/max/528/480/Leihtenberg_COA.jpg?format=jpg,png,gif,wbmp&loadexternal=1)
BTW - does anybody know what the second quarter (third quarter in the original grant), a sword on a green field with golden stars, represents? Some allusion to Eugène de Beauharnais' military career?
(The blue fess is the ancient arms of the Landgraviate of Leuchtenberg and the black fess with the ducks are the Beauharnais arms.)

Hm, the mysterious quarter is in the livery colours of the Napoleonic Empire. Does anybody know what the Leuchtenbergs' livery colours were? The black and white of Beauharnais or the blue and white of Leuchtenberg?
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Post by: Svetabel on November 11, 2010, 02:46:46 AM
A rare photo of Duke Eugeniy of Leuchtenberg and his 2nd wife, famous Zenaida Skobeleva (lover of GD Alexei A.)

(http://www.picatom.com/1o/Untitled2-188-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1o/Untitled2-188.html)

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Post by: nico20_1 on November 23, 2010, 02:07:28 PM
Re. Reply 162: photo Duke Konstantine and Daria

Would any one have a photo of Duke Konstantine von Leuchtenberg in later life (Ottawa, Ont. Canada). I am from Ottawa and believe my Mother knew him and were close when I was a child. There was no Russian church in Ottawa, but a Greek Orthodox Church. Every service we went to as a child, there was an elderly Russian gentleman, elegant, tall with white hair and a walking stick. He was striking and always impeccable. At the end of every service this gentleman would come to us and greet my Mother, kiss her hand and the two of them would go off to the side and chat for some time. He would then give me a wink and pat my head before setting off. I would very much like to ask if someone has a photo of him from the late 1960's or 1970's. I cannot remember the name of the gentleman, but would know his face in a heartbeat!  There were not very many Russian emigrés in Ottawa - very few from the nobility. I am trying to see if this is the gentleman I remember from my childhood.

With many thanks!
C
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Post by: Sara Araújo on December 04, 2010, 09:03:11 AM
A miniature of the Grand Duchess I had never seen before:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?collector=12787&display=acquired&pagesize=20&object=420715&row=908
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Post by: violetta on December 04, 2010, 11:59:32 AM
This is what Evgeniy Pchelov says about Daria Leuchtenberg

In 1893, at the age of 23, she married prince Lev Kochubey, a rich heir. But , in all probability, carefree life didn`t suit her so she went to paris where ahe studied at the Sorbonne University. She divorced her husband and remarried in 1912. According to Daria, her second husband, baron von Grevenits, a captain of the ship, saw her and became totally charmed with  when he was looking in his binoculars. They both were sailing in the Baltic sea, and Daria`s ship was sailing in the opposite direction. When she saw her, he stopped the ship, and Daria found herself on board of the baron`s ship. Nicholas was going to punish baron von Grevenits, but on learning who captured his heart he didin`t punish him and said that meeting Daria was punishment in itself.  Members of the Imperial court had already got used to her strange ways.   
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Post by: Dru on December 10, 2010, 03:50:19 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5161/5249467769_81311c3d42_b.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna with her eldest children, Maria and Nicholas, by Hau.
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Post by: Dru on December 13, 2010, 06:44:19 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5130/5258837743_a8d930f9ae.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna with her father.
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Post by: Dru on December 16, 2010, 07:00:10 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5121/5267640778_dfdd210b36_b.jpg)

Sketch of Maria by Neff.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 06, 2011, 04:05:59 PM
Gdss Maria Nicholaevna by Vladimir Ivanovich Hau

(http://s61.radikal.ru/i171/1005/92/dccd4619bd76.jpg)
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Post by: violetta on January 07, 2011, 11:46:17 AM
Emperor Nicholas I was obviously delighted by the fact that his first born was a boy, the future Alexander II. But glad as he was, he must have had a soft spot for his younger child  MAria Nikolaevna because fathers (perhaps) tend to adore their girls.

A letter of Maria Feodorovna to her daughter, Anna, the Dutch Crown Princess

Monday, 15.03, 1820

The little girl (i.e. MAria) is getting much prettier and will be as pretty as her mother. She is very-and already cherishes her father who gives her a lot of attention and who is muc amused by her. He truly loves her.


Tuesday evening, 23.03.1820

Anna was pregnant


Are you showing yet, dear child and do you still expect to have a baby girl?...That`s what I`m hoping for as you already have the great joy of having 2 sons. Fathers welcome daughters. Nick is crazy over his little girl whio in fact is a little angel, pretty  as picture, very gay and very lively.


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Post by: Svetabel on January 13, 2011, 11:50:45 PM
GDss by Franz Lenbach

(http://www.picatom.com/1r/-14472-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1r/-14472.html)
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Post by: violetta on January 22, 2011, 03:05:25 PM
This is how GD Olga Nikolaevna, the queen of Wuerttemberg,remembered her sister Maria Nikolaevna and her husband and her marriage

Maria nad Max of Leuchtenberg met for the 2nd time during the Imperial family`s stay in Bavaria. Mary remembered him well when they met in Russia. She also took to him immediately. Max was a son of Napoleon`s stepson that`s why Bavarian court looked down on him and never let him forget his humble origins e.g. when members of the court were served food on golden dishes Max`s food was served on silver plates. Max`s mother was distressed by such attitude to her son but Max ignored people`s behavior and just laughed.

Nicholas I liked Max and hoped that Max would follow Maria to Russia. When Nicholas I gave his consent to Max and Maria`s marriage the former was absolutely delighted. Max agreed to join the Russian army and agreed that their children would be orthodox. Max`s mother was distressed that her grandchildren would be orthodox.

Mary was delighted and head over heels in love with Max. The Imperial family was happy to have such a nice son-in-law but many people including aristocracy and some members of the Imperial family didin`t like the fact that a member of Napoleon`s family would marry the tzar`s daughter. Even Alexander, the future Alexander II, had some misgivings. 

   

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Post by: violetta on January 22, 2011, 03:24:08 PM
Olga sympathized with MAx. He was so sincere, he gave his heart to Russia but people didn`t welcome him.

Maria gave birth to 2 daughters in the first years of marriage. But one of the daughters, Alexandra, called Adini, died. Both girls fell ill just at the time when Maria gave birth to son, Nikolay. The condition of Adini deteriorated and the members of the Imperial family were reluctant to inform Maria of her daughter`s condition as she was just rcovering from the birth. On the night of Nikolay`s birth Adini died. Doctors allowed her family to inform maria only 12 days after birth. Max entered her room holding Marusya in his hands. MAria asked where Adini was but immediately guessed that the child died.

Never ever did she pronounce her child`s name!
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Post by: violetta on January 26, 2011, 05:06:21 PM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/marnikgay1841.jpg)

maria nikolaevna in 1841
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Post by: ashanti01 on February 17, 2011, 03:51:38 PM
Zenaida Skobeleva

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/zspic-1.jpg)
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Post by: Dru on March 21, 2011, 01:11:34 AM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5014/5546059748_9f61012bbe_m.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna.  Sorry for the small size, but I couldn't find it any bigger.
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Post by: Svetabel on March 21, 2011, 04:23:34 AM
A statue made from nature..from GDss Maria Nikolayevna
(http://i52.tinypic.com/mm9d9k.jpg)



It was preserved at her daughter Eugenia's Palace in St-Petersbourg.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 22, 2011, 03:38:17 PM
Maria Nicholaevna

(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/1552/180511045.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/180511045.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on August 06, 2011, 07:00:35 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6125/6007718730_819a31c612_z.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna with her mother, Alexandra Feodorovna, and her sisters-in-law, Maria Alexandrovna and Alexandra Iosifovna.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 10, 2011, 01:43:49 PM
Amazing pics!!  :o
Two more
Maria and brother Alexander as kids
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/mariayalejandro.jpg)
Maria alone
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/GDMariaL.jpg)
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Post by: Dru on August 30, 2011, 09:39:25 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6089/6098856004_5e87618ea4_b.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna's eldest surviving daughter, Maria Maximilianovna, by Neff.
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Post by: Russian Art Lover on September 14, 2011, 03:31:21 AM
News of the opening of an exhibition of the former collection of the Dukes of Leuchtenberg now in the State Hermitage Museum. The exhibition is called The Russian Descendants of the French Empress: The Dukes of Leuchtenberg in St Petersburg and opens at the Rumyantsev Mansion (44 English Embankment) on 6 October 2011 and runs until 1 February 2012.

The collection was begun by Josephine, wife of Napoléon I, before passing to her son, Eugène de Beauharnais, 1st Duke of Leuchtenberg. Later, it was inherited by his children. The exhibition includes portraits of Napoléon I, Josephine, her two children Hortense and Eugène de Beauharnais, and the latter's descendants. Other works include Jean-François Soiron's miniature of Napoléon in his coronation robes (1809) and François Flameng’s Portrait of Daria Leuchtenberg (1896).

The exhibition shows two paintings from Empress Josephine's Malmaison collection – The Christ Child and John the Baptist in a Landscape by Pieter Paul Rubens (school) and Interior of a Gothic Church by Peeter Neeffs I. Besides canvases inherited from his mother, Eugène de Beauharnais also possessed his own personal collection, including such works as The Christ Child Blessing by Pieter Paul Rubens (school) and Antoine-Jean Gros’s Napoléon Bonaparte on the Bridge at Arcole (1796–97).

In 1854, Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna, the widow of Maximilian, 3rd Duke of Leuchtenberg, brought the Leuchtenberg collection from Munich to St Petersburg. The exhibition includes works from the grand duchess's own collection of art, mostly assembled in the second half of the 1860s and kept at the Villa di Quarto near Florence, as well as decorative art, weaponry and oriental objects from Eugène de Beauharnais.

There is a catalogue in Russian with articles covering every aspect of the collection, including an essay by Elvira Piyayeva on The History of the Russian Branch of the Leuchtenberg-Beauharnais Family.
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Post by: Robert_Hall on September 14, 2011, 01:15:47 PM
This is interesting, RAL, as I have a catalogue [in English] of the collection when it was displayed at Somerset House, Hermitage Rooms in 2007. It is  beautiful. [France ibn Russia, The Empress Josephine's Malmaison Collection,  isbn 978-1-906257-00-2 published by Fontanka.]
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Post by: Dru on October 02, 2011, 03:17:09 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6169/6204540445_9ae5575092_z.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna by Hau.
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Post by: gem_10 on October 03, 2011, 09:33:47 PM
Lovely portrait, Dru! I've only seen a small copy of it. Thank you for posting a larger and clearer version. :)
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Post by: Dru on October 04, 2011, 08:26:36 AM
Lovely portrait, Dru! I've only seen a small copy of it. Thank you for posting a larger and clearer version. :)

I'm glad you like it!  I can't wait for you to write an article about Maria Nikolaevna of your blog, by the way; she was a very interesting person.
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Post by: gem_10 on October 04, 2011, 11:35:32 PM
She was indeed an interesting person, Dru, just like her sisters. You can definitely look forward for an article about her. :)
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Post by: Dru on October 25, 2011, 06:32:08 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6031/6281678428_5de59ff0bd_b.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna, from a portrait by Briullov.
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Post by: Dru on December 19, 2011, 01:51:45 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6539418397_492dc60be6_b.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna.
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Post by: Dru on January 28, 2012, 05:21:30 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7010/6778598773_583f767961_z.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna and her husband on horseback.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on January 30, 2012, 08:58:48 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6793283021_44d0fb99d8_b.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna by Narducci.
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Post by: CountessKate on January 31, 2012, 04:54:01 AM
Her hair looks much fairer than it's usually portrayed, though the dress is very similar to her portrait by Hau: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=363.msg430043#msg430043 .  She actually looks a little closer to her sister Olga, with softer features - perhaps the artist was not given a sitting, and had to work from engravings or other portraits.
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Post by: Dru on January 31, 2012, 01:56:34 PM
I actually agree with you, but I've read that the portrait is labled "Maria Nikolaevna, Duchess of Leuchtenberg," so who knows for sure?  Supposedly, it was painted in early 1843, when she was visiting Italy.
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Post by: Dru on February 08, 2012, 04:40:23 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7154/6843462139_889c5a64ae_z.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna with one of her sons.
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Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2012, 11:58:23 PM


Maria Nikolaevna with one of her sons.

That's Georgiy with her.
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Post by: THERRY on February 13, 2012, 03:08:03 AM
Interesting photo very intimate
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Post by: Dru on February 17, 2012, 02:10:45 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7192/6879428773_3d4b9330cd_b.jpg)

Maximilian of Leuchtenberg.
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Post by: Dru on March 22, 2012, 02:58:19 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7238/6860471820_032a748796_b.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna and her children by Hau.  Download for full size.
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Post by: Dru on April 21, 2012, 02:56:03 PM
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5238/7099780621_135a14028c_c.jpg)

Found as Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna.
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Post by: Dru on April 22, 2012, 06:38:13 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8142/7104124771_8b4906cc3c_c.jpg)

Maximilian of Leuchtenberg.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on May 28, 2012, 04:27:33 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8142/7289915464_5c67759c66.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna--with the Alexander Palace in the background--by Hau.
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Post by: Dru on July 05, 2012, 09:31:28 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8020/7511995466_bfc768affc_b.jpg)

Maximilian of Leuchtenberg.
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Post by: Dru on July 25, 2012, 05:33:51 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7270/7646538656_743baf16f8_b.jpg)

Princes Nikolai and Sergei Maximilianovich of Leuchtenberg with their cousins, Grand Dukes Alexander and Vladimir Alexandrovich.
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Post by: Veronica on July 25, 2012, 05:54:36 PM
I think that the man in the back between Alexander and Vladimir is Albert of Saxe Altenburg.
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Post by: Dru on July 25, 2012, 09:16:15 PM
You're probably right--I fear I'm not really an expert on Maria Nikolaevna's children.  I'll have to double check my sources next time  :-[
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Post by: Svetabel on July 26, 2012, 01:05:24 AM
I think that the man in the back between Alexander and Vladimir is Albert of Saxe Altenburg.

Right. That's Albert of Saxe-Altenburg.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on August 18, 2012, 02:16:38 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8304/7809885448_892a6ed6e4.jpg)

Maria Maximilianovna.
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Post by: Suzanne on October 22, 2012, 11:55:51 AM
Duke Dimitri of Leuchtenberg's accomplishments in Canada

http://www.royalhistorian.com/how-a-romanov-duke-popularized-skiing-in-quebecs-laurentian-mountains/
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Post by: Sara Araújo on October 28, 2012, 06:39:52 AM
A photograph of Maria Nikolaevna:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img191/2923/01b8670bb06a367l.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on November 15, 2012, 07:52:52 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8485/8188846741_5677f8cd1d_b.jpg)

Little Maria Nikolaevna with her brother Alexander.


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8347/8189907794_929b0d6a60_z.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna's eldest son, Nicholas Maximilianovich, by Hau.
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Post by: Veronica on November 27, 2012, 06:30:00 PM
Maria Maximilianovna with her husband Wilhelm of Baden, and her in-laws, Karl of Baden and his wife Rosalie gräfin von Rhena.

(http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u501/Patriciavv/marieleuchtenbergwilhelmkarlyrosalierhena.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on November 27, 2012, 06:59:16 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8070/8224794585_ed15b1660f_z.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna, courtesy of the Hermitage Museum.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on February 23, 2013, 05:17:55 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8239/8500941965_f1fef9b61e_b.jpg)

Found as Maria Nikolaevna by Zichy.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on March 12, 2013, 07:12:57 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8234/8552412705_5277cace1f_z.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on March 18, 2013, 05:23:08 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8531/8558530536_87ab1c9463_b.jpg)

Georgiy Mikhailovich and Elena Georgievna Leuchtenberg.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on May 04, 2013, 07:45:21 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8140/8708015451_ddf4901654_b.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna by Grevedon.  First time I've seen this in color.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on May 05, 2013, 07:36:00 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8557/8712641922_46acd2d8a8_b.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna and Maximilian of Leuchtenberg
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Post by: Olga from St.P. on May 25, 2013, 08:07:47 AM
Prince Nikolay Maximmilianovich Leuchtenberg (23.07.1843-25.12.1890)  and Nadezda Sergeevna (Annenkova) (16.06.1839-25.05.1981)

Tomb in Sviato-Troitskaia Sergieva Kloster in Strelnia  ( http://www.pustin.spb.ru/index.php/ru/history-of-monastiry)

May 2013:

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x118/stj_album/0_DmitFe/MariaNik_and_son2_zps9ce664d8.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/stj_album/media/0_DmitFe/MariaNik_and_son2_zps9ce664d8.jpg.html)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x118/stj_album/0_DmitFe/MariaNik_and_son1_zpsb517b181.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/stj_album/media/0_DmitFe/MariaNik_and_son1_zpsb517b181.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on May 26, 2013, 06:36:14 PM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3784/8847804612_b0c92a14a4_o.jpg)

Maria Maximilianovna of Leuchtenberg, Princess of Baden, courtesy of the Hermitage Collection.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on June 11, 2013, 09:23:09 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8536/8654031064_ec160eaa0e_o.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on July 04, 2013, 12:57:56 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7286/9210799462_427c043121_o.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna with one of her sons (Sergei?).
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Post by: Chris_H on July 04, 2013, 01:09:19 PM
The son looks like Nicolas, 4th Duke of Leuchtenberg
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Chris_H on July 04, 2013, 01:14:10 PM
Here's a comparison picture of Nicholas, 4th duke of Leuchtenberg[(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/chrishiggins1980/Picture_zpsf364c18b.jpg) (http://s1053.photobucket.com/user/chrishiggins1980/media/Picture_zpsf364c18b.jpg.html)]
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on July 04, 2013, 01:18:53 PM
It could be Nicholas.  I found it labeled as Sergei, but as we know, some sources on the web are less than reliable  ::)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on July 04, 2013, 01:22:29 PM
That's Sergei. Nicholas had more refine features and sad look.
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Post by: Veronica on July 04, 2013, 05:46:44 PM
The original source is the Royal Collection, and there it's identified as Sergei.

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2927265/grand-duchess-marie-nicholaievna-with-her-son-prince-sergei
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on July 04, 2013, 07:05:07 PM
The original source is the Royal Collection, and there it's identified as Sergei.

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2927265/grand-duchess-marie-nicholaievna-with-her-son-prince-sergei

I didn't know the orginal source or I would have cited it--thank you, Veronica :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on July 05, 2013, 04:36:27 PM
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2843/9219419310_d21c480fc8_o.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna by Anton Hähnisch, courtesy of the Royal Collection (this time I'm sure of the original source ;))
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Veronica on July 05, 2013, 06:05:30 PM
You're welcome Dru!
Another photo of Maria from the same session as the one with her son

(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2926/dvmw.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Chris_H on July 05, 2013, 08:14:02 PM
[(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/chrishiggins1980/Picture663_zpsf8d87ad4.jpg) (http://s1053.photobucket.com/user/chrishiggins1980/media/Picture663_zpsf8d87ad4.jpg.html)]
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on August 07, 2013, 09:34:44 PM
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5479/9215643053_e93df48049_o.jpg)

Maria Maximilianovna with her husband. 
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Hector on September 20, 2013, 12:31:03 AM
Is there any more information on the first wife of the 6th Duke of Leuchtenberg, Therese of Oldenburg (b. 1852; d. 1883)? Posting it here since unable to locate a topic thread about the Russian Oldenburg branch descended from Grand Duchess Catherine Pavlovna's first marriage. Especially wondering about pictures since only seen the one that's currently on her Wikipedia entry.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on September 20, 2013, 04:34:59 AM
Is there any more information on the first wife of the 6th Duke of Leuchtenberg, Therese of Oldenburg (b. 1852; d. 1883)? Posting it here since unable to locate a topic thread about the Russian Oldenburg branch descended from Grand Duchess Catherine Pavlovna's first marriage. Especially wondering about pictures since only seen the one that's currently on her Wikipedia entry.

Here's the topic on Russian Oldenburgs and picture of Teresa on page 2

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=3130.15 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=3130.15)

Also the Royal Collection site has a photo of Teresa:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2927268/therese-princess-of-romanowsky-duchess-of-leuchtenberg-1852-83 (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2927268/therese-princess-of-romanowsky-duchess-of-leuchtenberg-1852-83)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on October 17, 2013, 07:15:52 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7369/10337000825_d10e4bbdc1_o.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna by Hau.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on November 13, 2013, 02:22:07 PM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3782/10831053683_9d5ae7e01f_o.jpg)

Grigory Alexandrovich Stroganov, Maria's Nikolaevna's second husband, by Hau.  ca. 1848.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on May 03, 2014, 02:30:44 PM
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2919/14098818144_41edf935bf_o.jpg)

Maria with her sister Olga.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on May 03, 2014, 02:31:43 PM
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2924/13911792208_88b4611853_o.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna. 
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on June 21, 2014, 01:28:12 PM
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3885/14451293846_682552eb70_o.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna. 
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on August 13, 2014, 04:17:51 PM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5569/14723715980_41b25e0787_o.jpg)

Miniature of Maria Nikolaevna, from Réunion des Musées Nationaux Grand Palais.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on March 28, 2015, 01:49:20 PM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7584/16769936438_4a4feb7484_o.jpg)

Miniature of Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna.  From vk.com group ДОМ РОМАНОВЫХ.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on June 01, 2015, 01:01:11 PM
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/442/18166069430_1b47e10d32_o.jpg)

Elena Grigorievna Stroganova, only surviving child of Count Grigory Alexandrovich Stroganov and Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna.  From the Royal Collection.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on November 01, 2015, 11:34:37 AM
Rare photo of Daria Opochinina (1844-1870), 1st wife of Duke Eugen of Leuchtenberg

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/bogarne_zps2g6ahyhf.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on July 17, 2016, 06:53:07 PM
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/2/1516/26464145086_7b00b95950_h.jpg)

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/2/1615/25887231783_64485840b9_h.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna by Briullov.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on July 17, 2016, 06:54:41 PM
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/2/1672/25885174564_1072e055fc_h.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on July 18, 2016, 01:23:28 PM
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/2/1677/26397739562_6569f3a64d_b.jpg)

Maria Nikolaevna with her sisters-in-law.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on January 02, 2017, 04:14:25 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/155313637845 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/155313637845)

Maria Nikolaevna with two of her children, Evgeniy and Evgeniya.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Dru on March 29, 2018, 09:23:13 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/172384063015 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/172384063015)

Silhouette of Maria Nikolaevna.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: tsesarevnaanna on September 22, 2018, 11:11:44 AM
I was wondering if anyone had information on what exactly happened to Maria Nikolaevna before her death, as I've read that she moved to Italy after her second marriage, due to the nature of it. However she died in Saint Petersburg, was she moved back to Petersburg when she was deemed extremely ill, or was she later able to return to Russia?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on September 22, 2018, 01:14:23 PM
I was wondering if anyone had information on what exactly happened to Maria Nikolaevna before her death, as I've read that she moved to Italy after her second marriage, due to the nature of it. However she died in Saint Petersburg, was she moved back to Petersburg when she was deemed extremely ill, or was she later able to return to Russia?

She lived between Italy and Russia and was able any time to go to Saint-Petersbourg.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
Post by: tsesarevnaanna on September 23, 2018, 11:06:59 AM
Thank you Svetabel!