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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Imperial Family => Topic started by: kmerov on January 09, 2005, 12:16:24 PM

Title: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: kmerov on January 09, 2005, 12:16:24 PM
Does anyone have any pictures or information on Grand duchess Katarina Mikhailovna, b. 1827, d. 1894. she was the daughter of Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich, son of Pavl I, and Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna b. 1807, d. 1873.
I think she married a german prince, but lived in russia after the marriage.
It would also be great to see som pictures of G.D  Elena Pavlona..
i have tried everywhere, but there dosnt seem to be much information about them
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on January 09, 2005, 03:01:33 PM
She was one of the daughters of Grand Duke Michail Pavlovich.In 1850 she was engaged and in 1851 was married to Prince Georg August of Meclkenburg-Strelitz (1819-76).They settled in Russia and Prince served in Russian army. Georg and Ekaterina had 5 children (2 of them died in infancy): Nikolai (1854 -died the same year),Elena (1857-1936),Georg (1859-1909),Maria (1861- died the same year) and Karl Michail (1863-1934).
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on January 09, 2005, 03:27:19 PM
Ekaterina Michailovna had a strong and difficult nature,conservative views on life (just imagine! - her mother Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna had a reputation of a tolerant woman), was possessive and obstinate.When her son Georg was going to marry morganatically Ekaterina was opposite.
In addition Ekaterina Michailovna was a talented artist,she patronized many charitable foundations.
Her daughter Elena married Prince Albert of Saxe-Altenburg (he was married previously to Princess Maria of Holland,nee Princess of Prussia,dauhgter of famous Red Prince). Her eldest son Georg married Natalia Vanlyarskaya (their children were Counts Karlov).
The youngest son of EM was unmarried.

I am trying to find some good picture of EM.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on January 09, 2005, 06:25:23 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/File1562.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: kmerov on January 10, 2005, 11:41:08 AM
Wow, Thats Great! Thank you both very much!

Another question ( as always).
I have read that german princes who stayed in Russia after marrying a Grand Duchess, would become a member of the imperial family, aswell as their children....
But what does that mean? Did they become russian citizens and have russian titles; did they get money from the state, and where their children in line to the throne?
And what about their native countries?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Olga on January 11, 2005, 12:05:45 AM
Yekaterina Mikhailovna has a very interesting face.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Martyn on January 11, 2005, 06:35:56 AM
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Yekaterina Mikhailovna has a very interesting face.


Olga do you remember the thread that asked the question 'Who is this Grand Duchess?', that went on for ages?  Eventually we identified her conclusively as Pcss Helene of Saxe-Altenburg, Ekaterina's daughter.  If we had seen this picture at that time it would have made it much easier to identify her, as the similarity in the face between mother and daughter is very strong....You're right too, her face has a lot of character.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on January 18, 2005, 04:51:46 AM
Hello,does anyone have any colour painting or some glittering pictures of her?There are a lot of those pictures or paintings of other much more known Romanovs,but so little of those from colateral branches.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: kmerov on January 18, 2005, 12:14:23 PM
Yes it would be great to see.
I have tried to find some on the web, and in books, but have failed...
The same goes for her mother, Elena Pavlovna. She lived until 1873, so there must be some!

Altso i have just read that Czar Alexander II was murdered after visiting his cousin, Katarina Mikhailovna at her home, the Mikhailovski Palace...i always thougt he was visiting his brother, Grand Duke Mikhail..
So is that true? ???
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on January 19, 2005, 01:42:25 AM
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Yes it would be great to see.
 I have tried to find some on the web, and in books, but have failed...
The same goes for her mother, Elena Pavlovna. She lived until 1873, so there must be some!

Altso i have just read that Czar Alexander II was murdered after visiting his cousin, Katarina Mikhailovna at her home, the Mikhailovski Palace...i always thougt he was visiting his brother, Grand Duke Mikhail..
So is that true? ???


Alexander II was visiting his cousin Ekaterina Michailovna in her Michailovsky Palace at that awful day.
Grand Duke Mikhail,his brother,owned The NOVOMICHAILOVSKY Palace,situiated on Dvortzovaya Enbankment.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on January 19, 2005, 07:46:07 AM
I have been in St.Peterburg last year and I saw one Michailowsky Palace,I think near some squair,but don't remember the name of the embarkment.Is Novomichailowsky palace the same sinse in the name I can see that it is stated that is some new palace.Or am I wrong?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on January 19, 2005, 08:31:23 AM
You should go to the thread Palaces in Saint-Petersburg.There is a sub-thread "New Michael's palace". It's near to Marsovo Pole and the Marble palace.The Palace of G.D.Ekaterina is nearer to Nevsky prospekt - it's Russian Museum nowadays.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on January 19, 2005, 10:55:02 AM
Is this it? It was listed as the Russian Museum/Michael's palace:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/misc/russianm21.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: crazy_wing on January 19, 2005, 12:32:55 PM
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I have tried to find some on the web, and in books, but have failed...
The same goes for her mother, Elena Pavlovna. She lived until 1873, so there must be some!


I've seen a portrait of her and her daughter Maria on the internet.  It is by Karl Brullov.  It is used to be on the Olga's gallery but the bigger version now is unavailable...

You can scroll down to see a small version of it for now:
http://www.abcgallery.com/B/briullov/briullov.html
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on January 19, 2005, 01:17:14 PM
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Is this it? It was listed as the Russian Museum/Michael's palace:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/misc/russianm21.jpg)


You are right,Ella.It's Russian Museum aka Mikhailovsky Palace.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on January 19, 2005, 04:38:26 PM
You can actually order a copy of a booklet on the palace put out by the Russian Museum (one of a series including the Marble Palace and the Strogonoff Palace among others).

"The Mikhailovsky Palace Part of the 'Palaces of the Russian Museum' series, 1996"
ISBN 3 930775- 18- 2; 10,00DM

This colourful and originally designed booklet of 24 pages contains a short introductory article by Vladimir Gusyev, Director of the Russian Museum, followed by a detailed article on the history of the Mikhailovsky Palace, one of the architectural gems of St Petersburg now home to the collection of the Russian Museum. The publication contains 37 colour illustrations, including photographs, reproductions of art work and a map of the city centre.

Here's a larger copy of the print from Olga's Gallery of the Grand Duchess:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/otherromanovs/2003lublu_en1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on January 19, 2005, 08:08:23 PM
Yes,that is the palace,but I was puzzled by the name Michailowsky/Novomichailowsky so I thought that there are two Michailowsky Palaces,old one and a new one.Your post is great.More paintings of this kind would be excellent.Thanks very much
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: kmerov on January 20, 2005, 05:04:36 PM
Thank you once again...
I read in Olgas Gallery that she, Elena Pavlovna took an important part in liberating the serfs... How so? Can anyone tell a bit more...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on January 21, 2005, 05:04:29 AM
Famous picture of GD Elena Pavlovna

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/elenapavlovna.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on January 21, 2005, 05:16:50 AM
Elena Pavlovna was really a wonderful woman.Very-well educated,highly-intelligent,though very sharp-tongued sometimes. Emperors Nikolai I and Alexander II liked her much.
Her marital life was not happy,moreover only one of her daughters (Ekaterina) survived Elena. So unfortunate Grand Duchess devoted herself to charity affairs,kept on her intellectual studies,gathered a society of liberal-minded men at her salon. Before the reform of 1861  (liberating serfs) she had liberated serfs at one of her own estates.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on January 21, 2005, 07:22:23 AM
Other pictures of GD Elena Pavlovna

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/gau1840elena.gif)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/ele3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/ele.jpg)




Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on January 21, 2005, 07:26:19 AM
Her  daughter Ekaterina

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/ekat2.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on January 21, 2005, 09:09:23 AM
It's too long to rewrite here and I can try to go back and re-read it and summarize, but Charlotte Zeepvatt's Romanov Autumn has a great section all on Elena Pavlovna. I hadn't even really heard of her except in passing of learning some of the Romanov names of the past. It really got me interested in her. The great thing about RA is that it is essay form so it's easy to read and touches on a lot of other Romanovs besides NAOTMAA.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on January 22, 2005, 05:46:22 AM
There is one place in my city - I live in Saint-Petersburg - where one can find out much info on Elena Pavlovna and her daughters and descendants ;) .It's Memorial Library of Prince Georgiy Golitzin - it placed on Fontanka enbankm.,just right near Beloselsky-Belozersky Palace.
This Prince was a greatgrandson of Ekaterina Michailovna. The library is not very large but really wonderful. A lot of info on The Romanovs! Let me some time and I'll go there ! :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on January 22, 2005, 08:54:00 AM
Oh,I know Beloselsky-Belozersky Palace(beutiful building) and while I was in Sankt Peterburg I have heard that some of the Romanovs bought the palace and used to live there until the Revolution...Am I wright?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: bluetoria on January 22, 2005, 09:17:14 AM
It was Grand Duke Serge's palace & after his assasination, when his wife, Elizabeth, became a nun she handed it to his ward & nephew Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: cimbrio on July 18, 2005, 09:57:54 AM
Hi all again,
I'm curious, why was Grand Duchess Maria MIkhailovna, eldest daughter of Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich (youngest son of Paul I) and Elena Pavlovna (born Friedricke Charlotte Marie of Württemberg) in VIenna when she died? As far as I know, she was born in Moscow on March 9th 1825 and she died in Vienna on November 19th 1846. Why was she there in the first place?
DAWSR
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on July 18, 2005, 10:11:24 AM
She went there for matters of health.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on July 18, 2005, 10:16:02 AM
According to Art in his book The Grand Duchesses:

"Never one who enjoyed a strong constitution...was sent by her parents to spend some time in Vienna. Soon after...health took a serious turn for the worst....'The miserable Grand Duke [her father] still lives on delusions, not willing to recognize the real danger his daughter is in. The ladies who look after her say that she gets more and more frail everyday, while the doctors say there is no hope for her.'...on 17 November 1876 Grand Duchess Maria Mikhailovna departed ths world to join her sister Elisabeth, who had died the year before. The remains of Grand Duchess Maria were transferred to St Petersburg where her funeral took place in late December....The death of Grand Duchess Maria Mikhailovna drove her parents into indescribable grief."
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on September 14, 2005, 01:00:09 AM
I have to reanimate this old thread as I found a wonderful rare picture of GD Ekaterina Mikhailovna and her family!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/emfamily.jpg)

From L to R: Duke Georg of Mecklenbourg-Strelitz, his son Georgiy and daughter Elena, and GD Ekaterina itself.

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: kmerov on September 15, 2005, 08:21:18 PM
Yes great picture. Thank you for posting, Svetabel. :)
Do you know if Georg August became an orthodox after marrying EM?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on September 16, 2005, 01:42:57 AM
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Yes great picture. Thank you for posting, Svetabel. :)
Do you know if Georg August became an orthodox after marrying EM?


He did not convert into the Orthodoxy.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on December 22, 2005, 02:21:26 AM



Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna.
(http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/9489/elenapavl5qo.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Lisa on February 14, 2006, 05:39:39 PM


ELENA PAVLOVNA, Mikhail Pavlovich's wife:
1840 by GAU:(http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/4239/1840hauinportraitsrussesp695be.th.jpg) (http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1840hauinportraitsrussesp695be.jpg) ; 1842 by COURRE: (http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/3627/1842jdcourrelenapavlovnafemmic.th.jpg) (http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1842jdcourrelenapavlovnafemmic.jpg) ; 1850's by ROBERTSON: (http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/9789/srobertsoninverchinina2cp.th.jpg) (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=srobertsoninverchinina2cp.jpg) ; (http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/7041/s6az.th.jpg) (http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s6az.jpg) ; by SCHIAVONI: (http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/4976/schiavonifeliceelenapavlovna7f.th.jpg) (http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=schiavonifeliceelenapavlovna7f.jpg) ; bu BRULLOV: (http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6947/brulliovelenapavlovnatretiakov.th.jpg) (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brulliovelenapavlovnatretiakov.jpg) ; (http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/4889/elenapavlovnafemmemichelpavlov.th.jpg) (http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=elenapavlovnafemmemichelpavlov.jpg) ; (http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/7453/file00268th.th.jpg) (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=file00268th.jpg) ; (http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/9353/sanstitre5is.th.png) (http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanstitre5is.png)


Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 20, 2006, 03:00:10 AM
Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna, spouse of GD Mikhail Pavlovich.
As a young girl
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/elpav1820s.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/elpav1820.jpg)

Her bust

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/elpavlbust.jpg)

Her diary with her potrait on the cover

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/elpavdiary.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 20, 2006, 03:03:50 AM
Daughters of GDss Elena Pavlovna:

Maria, Elizaveta and Ekaterina

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/eme.jpg)

Maria Mikhailovna

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/mariamikh.jpg)

Elizaveta Mikhailovna

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/elismikh.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 20, 2006, 03:05:10 AM
Ekaterina Mikhailovna

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/ekatmikh2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/ekatmikh1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/ekatmikh.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on February 20, 2006, 12:38:26 PM
Wow,Sveta,you don't know how much I was searching for Michailovichi portraits!Thank you so much!Are there any portraits of Ekaterina's husband or children?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 20, 2006, 01:12:40 PM
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Wow,Sveta,you don't know how much I was searching for Michailovichi portraits!Thank you so much!Are there any portraits of Ekaterina's husband or children?


I saw a portrait of Prince Georg, though as for the children...only photos I've seen. :-/
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 16, 2006, 01:10:33 AM
GD Ekaterina and her children: Elena, Georgiy, Mikhail.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/emchildren.jpg)

In journals of Alexander Polovtsov, state secretary in 1883-1892 years, one can find out some lines about family of GD Ekaterina. Polovtsov considered GDss a nicest and kindest woman but anyway a dullest one. :) Her daughter Princess Elena looked rather mannish and did not get well along with her mother .
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: David_Pritchard on March 16, 2006, 01:27:45 AM
If my memory is correct, I believe that the Grand Duchess had an illegitimate half sister who married one of the Counts Bobrinskoy. Does anyone have any information on this sister, such as her name?

David

P.S. After some reseach I found the information myself. The Grand Duchess Ekaterina Mikhalovna's half sister was named Nadejda Mikhailovna Younine. She was born on 10 December 1843 and died at Saint Petersburg in 1908.                                                          
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 16, 2006, 04:00:24 AM
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If my memory is correct, I believe that the Grand Duchess had an illegitimate half sister who married one of the Counts Bobrinskoy. Does anyone have any information on this sister, such as her name?

David

P.S. After some reseach I found the information myself. The Grand Duchess Ekaterina Mikhalovna's half sister was named Nadejda Mikhailovna Younine. She was born on 10 December 1843 and died at Saint Petersburg in 1908.                                                          


And this  Nadejda Mikhailovna IYUNEVA was wife of Alexander Polovtsov I mentioned in my post. ;) It was their daughhter (of Alexnader and Nadejda) who married Count Bobrinskiy. :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Daniela on March 16, 2006, 05:51:13 AM
I've found an interesting acount on the mansion of Baron Stieglitz, and there is also a short story on Nadejda Mikhailovna Younine:

The English Embankment is one of the city's grand facades, stretching from Senate Square to the shipbuilding wharves. Plots of land on the English Embankment were very expensive, so the mansions and palaces regularly changed hands.

BY ANZHELIKA MYSHKINA

This fate was also shared by No. 68, the mansion of Baron Stieglitz, at the very end of the Embankment almost alongside the shipbuilding works. This plot originally belonged to the English merchant T. Rex and the wife of the Dutch merchant Betling, but by 1830 was already owned by the merchant Ludwig Stieglitz. Later, in 1859-1862, a vast mansion was built to the design of architect A. Krakau for Baron Alexander Stieglitz, the last of the line. The building was as imposing as the family's capital was extensive. The Stieglitzes, immigrants from Germany, found a second homeland in Russia, where they founded their financial empire; you could call them a family of hereditary bankers and entrepreneurs. As early as the 1820s Ludwig Stieglitz was the most prominent banker in the Russian Empire. In 1828 Emperor Nicholas I conferred on him the title of baron. After his father's death, Alexander inherited not only his title but also his handsome capital (18 million roubles in silver). He continued his father's financial dealings, taking an active part in obtaining foreign loans for the Russian Imperial Court. Through the offices of Stieglitz the Russian Government maintained contacts with bankers in Amsterdam, Paris, London and Warsaw.

The scale of Baron Stieglitz' huge mansion was a reflection of his financial clout and his public position. A. Krakau was one of the most fashionable and expensive architects in the city; when the baron charged him with the design and construction of the palace, he granted him full creative freedom and an unlimited budget. His son-in-law, Secretary of State Alexander Polovtsov, wrote in a somewhat peevish tone in his widely-known memoirs: "The owners entrusted the construction to Krakau, much as people order a pair of boots, giving the architect broad scope for his ideas". The architectural tastes of his father-in-law did not find favour with Polovtsov, who was an "admirer" of the work of M. Mesmacher. It was he, not Krakau, who oversaw the decoration of the mansion at 52 Bolshaya Morskaya Street, a present from Baron Stieglitz to his adopted daughter Nadezhda. The gift was on the occasion of the marriage of Nadezhda (1843-1908) to Alexander Polovtsov, and came with the addition of a million roubles in gold. The wedding took place in 1861, when the baron's adopted daughter had reached the age of 18.

It would be appropriate at this point to describe in detail how the illegitimate daughter of Grand Prince Mikhail Pavlovich came to be in the family of the court banker Stieglitz - a story of intrigue and romance. Family legend has it that on one fine summer's day (24 June 1844) a basket was found in some lilac bushes at the Stieglitz dacha in Petrovskoye, and that in the basket on luxurious swaddling lay a delightful baby girl. A note was pinned to the swaddling, stating that the little girl had been born on 10 December 1843 and christened Nadezhda according to the Orthodox faith, her father's name being Mikhail. On the child's neck glittered a chain with an expensive gold cross, adorned with a large pearl. The little girl was given the surname Junina (or Juneva) on account of the date when she was found. In this way, the Stieglitz banking house became "related" to the Russian Imperial family, and a brilliant future and fabulous wealth awaited the fruit of the extra-marital liaison of Grand Prince Mikhail Pavlovich. Nadezhda Mikhailovna Juneva became the sole heir to the Stieglitz fortune, and after the baron's death in 1884 she inherited the majority of his property, as well as his financial capital. His fortune was indeed huge, consisting of 38 million roubles in monetary terms. In accordance with Stieglitz' will 70,000 roubles were assigned for charitable purposes and 100,000 roubles for a children's refuge; all the rest came under the control of Nadezhda Polovtsova and her family (two sons and two daughters). The palace on the English Embankment was left to Nadezhda as her personal property. However, she and her husband did not wish to move to the sumptuous Stieglitz home, preferring to remain in their mansion in Bolshaya Morskaya Street. They soon took the decision to sell the mansion on the English Embankment; the cost, including the works of art it contained, was over three million roubles.


The palace really was spectacular in its magnifence. Designed in the then fashionable Italian palazzo style, it stood out noticeably from the other buildings on the English Embankment by its imposing proportions. The external appearance of the palace has hardly altered since the mid-19th century: the decoration of the facades is quite well preserved, something that cannot, alas, be said of the interior, which suffered badly from the moment the mansion was nationalised in 1917. The main staircase has survived in a comparatively reasonable condition. The palace interiors could be called an encyclopaedia of mid-19th century luxury, their decoration reflecting that era's concepts of stylishness, refinement and richness. It is worth noting that a few years after the completion of the palace, from 1869 to 1872, the owners commissioned watercolours with views of its interiors from the well-known artist Luigi Premazzi (1814-1891). He painted seventeen in all, extraordinarily accurate and expressive; they were put into a single leather-bound album stamped with Baron Stieglitz' coat of arms. Since 1920 the album has been kept in the State Hermitage's Department of Drawing. Premazzi was a true master of interior painting, and thanks to his skill in filigree we can get a fully authentic impression of the rich decor of the rooms. One is struck not only by the sumptuousness of the architectural decoration, but also by the richness of the collections of painting and applied art. The palace itself, as already mentioned, was put on sale. However, such an expensive purchase was not within the compass of many people, and for three years the palace stood empty. It was only in 1887 that the palace was bought by Grand Prince Pavel Alexandrovich, for almost half the asking price - 1.6 million roubles. It was purchased for the Grand Prince's marriage to Princess Alexandra Georgievna, the daughter of the King of Greece. A grand wedding reception was held in the palace on 6 June 1889. From then onwards the palace began to be called the New Pavlovsky Palace. The couple did not make any serious alterations to the decor of the former banker's mansion, though the Grand Prince commissioned the architect N. Sultanov to design a household church, which was consecrated in an Orthodox ceremony.

In 1914 the First World War broke out, followed by the two revolutions that totally changed the life of the Russian Empire. The palace was nationalised in 1917, and its subsequent fate was similar to that of many other palaces and mansions in St. Petersburg. It was used by a variety of organisations, and for many decades in the Soviet period the Stieglitz home was occupied by the major design institute "Soyuzproektverf". Now the future of the palace is still to be decided, but the hope is that careful restoration will heal its wounds and that it will shine in its former splendour.

A link:http://www.whererussia.com/spb/fullarticle?id=5636

Daniela
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: hikaru on March 18, 2006, 09:31:45 PM
I also must add that because of the charity 's activity
of mother of Katarina Mikhaylovna, GD Elena Pavlovna,
famouse St. Petersburg's conservatoire was founded.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Alicky on March 19, 2006, 07:19:43 PM
While the legend of Nadezhda's adoption is very charming (though reminiscent of dozens similar throughout time), how did the baby REALLY come to live with Stieglitz?   No doubt, he was a trusted financial associate of the Tsars, but was he also a special friend of Mikhail's and thus also to be trusted in this matter, or a relative of the mother's?  

Who WAS the girl's mother, and is it known whether she consented to this, and/or her attitude towards losing her child this way, or did she just die in childbirth, thus her feelings were moot?

I'm assuming the whole "baby found in basket" scene, if it actually happened, was pre-arranged.  It seems the people around would have been rather jaded even by then to accept such a staged discovery.  Yet in the end, the child Nadezhda won the jackpot.  Good for her!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 20, 2006, 12:59:02 AM
Quote
While the legend of Nadezhda's adoption is very charming (though reminiscent of dozens similar throughout time), how did the baby REALLY come to live with Stieglitz?   No doubt, he was a trusted financial associate of the Tsars, but was he also a special friend of Mikhail's and thus also to be trusted in this matter, or a relative of the mother's?  

Who WAS the girl's mother, and is it known whether she consented to this, and/or her attitude towards losing her child this way, or did she just die in childbirth, thus her feelings were moot?

I'm assuming the whole "baby found in basket" scene, if it actually happened, was pre-arranged.  It seems the people around would have been rather jaded even by then to accept such a staged discovery.  Yet in the end, the child Nadezhda won the jackpot.  Good for her!


The girl's mother was unkhown. And that Mikhail was a father of Nadejda looked like more a family legend  than truth.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: joye on July 31, 2006, 07:01:40 PM
I agree, there is not a lot of information on GD Katarina Mikhailovna 1827 1894. I have done a personal project on the Grand Duchesses,  and found a photo of her and her spouse. She died age 66, and is buried  in the Peter and Paul Cathedral St Petersburg,  grave no. 44  reference  http://www.royaltyguide.nl/families/romanov/romanov3.htm
Signed   HRH
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on April 10, 2008, 09:20:47 AM
I haven't been able to visit the board often over the last two or three years, unfortunately, until now, and wasn't aware of that. Since I saw mulitiple posts referring to them I assumed it was acceptable to post information about them in this thread.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on July 07, 2008, 03:49:28 PM
I know that Alexander II ws killed after a visit to his first cousin Ekaterina Michailovna...but what to know about the relations between the dauhgters of Emperor Nikolai I Olga,Maria and Alexandra with their cousins Maria,Elizabeth and Ekaterina...were they close or or maybe not so close etc.Reasons?Anyone?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: gem_10 on July 07, 2008, 08:47:19 PM
Yeah I also want to know that..  :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 17, 2009, 03:27:53 PM

Actually the cousins were not very close esp. in the case with Maria and Elizaveta who died young and had been very often absent from Russia travelling with their mother or courtiers for cure in the Europe. If speaking about GDss Ekaterina M. then she was highly respected by Alexander II and his family though they considered Ekaterina (Aunt Cathy) quite dull but anyway a pleasant woman.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on February 17, 2009, 05:46:21 PM
I also noticed now this thread and thought:"Hmmm,intersting thread..." and then realized I started it ;-)

Anyway,I wanted to know this because they were first cousins but never read anything in particular about their relations except the fact that the Emperor was visiting his first cousin before the murder...

Also,their relations were interesting to me because their mother Elena Pavlovna was at that considered "Grand lady" of St.Peterburg,something like Michen was in her time and we know what kind of relations did she have with other cousins..that's why it was interesting for me and wanted to know more...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on February 18, 2009, 12:46:28 AM
For all that I knew from the books on the Romanovs Emperor Nicholas I was very tender with his nieces, daughters of GD Mikhail, and respected Mikhail's educated and sophisticated wife GDss Elena Pavlovna. Emperor Alexander II and his brother GD Konstantin were also  of a high opinion on Elena Pavlovna and liked to be in her society, after all they shared liberal ideas.

GDss Ekaterina M. was not like her mother, of course most of the life she was living in the mother's shadow though she had been well-educated and nice person. But she had not the personality of her mother and was really talented only in music. After Elena Pavlovna's death Ekaterina tried to continue the tradition of the mother's sophisticated "fetes"  in her salon in the Mikhailovskiy Palace but certainly without that success of Elena in the 1840-1850s. Alexander II liked his cousin and respected her, her family was in his private family circle, Ekaterina's name usually can be found in the Romanovs diaries when they told about family meetings and court officials.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on February 18, 2009, 05:52:50 PM
So,it seems it was an other way around in case of Elena Pavlovna,I mean the opposite situation to the relations between Michen and other cousins...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: kmerov on February 27, 2009, 06:39:12 AM
Maria Feodorovna was also very fond of GDss Ekaterina and her family, and they are often mentioned in letters. Ekaterina's husband was also a cousin of Queen Louise, MF's mother.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on February 27, 2009, 07:51:45 AM
That's good to know...Georg's mother was sister to Maria Feodorovna's grandfather...but they all had so many cousins...I wonder did they all knew each other...?For example Imperial family and Barons von Blixen-Finecke who were their relatives?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: alixaannencova on February 27, 2009, 01:09:30 PM
Silly question perhaps but I was under the impression that the children of Frederick HC and Caroline Polyxene, including the father of Queen Louise of Denmark and the mothers of Augusta Mecklenburg Strelitz and Mary Adelaide Teck and of Ekaterina M's husband George Mecklenburg started the tradition of mass reunions at Rumpenheim. Does anyone know whether George M and Ekaterina M made annual visits to Rumpenheim?

I have always been fascinated by Ekaterina M and I was rather disappointed to note that her old thread was lost ages ago and no new one has been started. I would love to know more about her and her husband and their dealings with the rest of the IF. I often forget just how interestingly connected George M-S was! What with an aunt married to George III's youngest surviving son, and such a huge amount of interesting and diverse cousins on the Hesse Cassel side through his mother!

Also, I was wondering if Ekaterina M was in receipt of an annuity of 50,000 rubles. On the Romanov fortunes and annuities thread it says that daughters of Emperors received that sum but it does not clarify whether male line grand daughters, as Grand Duchesses also received a similar annuity from reigning Emperors. Furthermore I assume Ekaterina M as the only surviving child of Michael P and Elena P inherited their entire fortunes which would have presumably made her own of the wealthiest members of the IF, if her parents didn't dissipate their fortunes that is!!! I know that Mecklenburg Streliz family was well known for its vast family fortunes too, but wonder if George M ever got more than a simple 'settlement' at the time of his marriage to Ekaterina M. 

   
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on February 27, 2009, 07:16:39 PM
Very interesting point alixaannencova...it would be good to know more about such things!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 01, 2009, 03:45:33 AM
Silly question perhaps but I was under the impression that the children of Frederick HC and Caroline Polyxene, including the father of Queen Louise of Denmark and the mothers of Augusta Mecklenburg Strelitz and Mary Adelaide Teck and of Ekaterina M's husband George Mecklenburg started the tradition of mass reunions at Rumpenheim. Does anyone know whether George M and Ekaterina M made annual visits to Rumpenheim?

   

GDss Ekaterina M. really visited Rumpenheim as often as he could. Empress MF mentions the GDss in her letters to Alexander III when travelling abroad to the Hesse-Kassel relatives.

Yes, the old thread on EM is indeed lost with all the info, though there is a thread on the Carlows, her descendants where some info can be found.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on March 01, 2009, 12:05:05 PM
Silly question perhaps but I was under the impression that the children of Frederick HC and Caroline Polyxene, including the father of Queen Louise of Denmark and the mothers of Augusta Mecklenburg Strelitz and Mary Adelaide Teck and of Ekaterina M's husband George Mecklenburg started the tradition of mass reunions at Rumpenheim. Does anyone know whether George M and Ekaterina M made annual visits to Rumpenheim?

   

GDss Ekaterina M. really visited Rumpenheim as often as he could. Empress MF mentions the GDss in her letters to Alexander III when travelling abroad to the Hesse-Kassel relatives.

Yes, the old thread on EM is indeed lost with all the info, though there is a thread on the Carlows, her descendants where some info can be found.


The old thread was merged with The Mikhailovichi thread around the time of the upgrade. All the info is still there.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: kmerov on March 01, 2009, 12:43:48 PM
That's good to know...Georg's mother was sister to Maria Feodorovna's grandfather...but they all had so many cousins...I wonder did they all knew each other...?For example Imperial family and Barons von Blixen-Finecke who were their relatives?

I think they did know each other, as the Strelitz's were a natural part of the gatherings at Rumpenheim, and so was Princess Augusta, Baroness Blixen, the Cambridges and so on.
Yes, I also thought that the old thread on GDss Ekaterina Mikhailovna was gone (I started that thread years ago, as my first post), but found it at The Mikhailovichi thread and was very happy. ;D
Maybe it's just me, but I do think it was a mistake that it was merged with that thread, since they are to very different branches of the IF and it makes the thread a bit confusing.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: alixaannencova on March 01, 2009, 02:19:24 PM
Righto!!! I shall have another trawl through the Mikhailovichi thread....I wonder why they were merged when they are about two separate branches of the family, though I guess the 'elder' line would have been a smaller thread due to who survived to adulthood and had kiddlee winks if you get my drift!! It may have been done to save space... I guess it is at a premium really!

Ta very much for all your help in my little quest.....cheerio for now!!!   
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on March 01, 2009, 02:36:30 PM
There was a request to split the thread 'The Mikhailovichi' into parts for the families of Mikkhail Pavlovich and Mikhail Nikolaivitch. After trawling through the thread, I think I got all the pertinent posts.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: alixaannencova on March 01, 2009, 02:56:00 PM
A very big ta very much...you're a real star Ella!

I am fascinated by Ekaterina Mikhailovich and her family. Now I shall read at leisure! I wonder whether the Carlow thread should be merged here as they were the only descendants of Mikhail Pavlovich. Am I right that Helene and Albrecht Heinrich Saxe Altenburg never had children? I know he had two daughters from his first marriage, but can find none from his marriage to Helene! Furthermore I have never read a hint that Karl Michael ever had any issue.

If it is the case that the von Carlows were the only great grand children of Mikhail Pavlovich and Elena Pavlovna, I wonder if it would not make sense for the sake of convenience and neatness, to merge the threads and would like to hear what others think about this. I hope no one thinks I am being an interfering old trout, it is only suggestion after all!

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: alixaannencova on March 01, 2009, 05:10:07 PM
Ta very much Ella for splitting the thread in two! We are so spoilt here at AP!!!


Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 02, 2009, 01:46:08 AM

 Am I right that Helene and Albrecht Heinrich Saxe Altenburg never had children? I know he had two daughters from his first marriage, but can find none from his marriage to Helene! Furthermore I have never read a hint that Karl Michael ever had any issue.



You are right, Elena was childless but a fond step-mother to daughters of her husband. She actually cared for them better than their father, and gave them very good education.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on March 06, 2009, 10:43:47 PM
As morganauts what kind of treatment did von Carlows had in Russia?Were they treated as cousins in days of Nicholas II and prior...?On some coronation pictures one could see Helena von Mecklenburg-Strelitz,later von Sachsen-Altenburg,but she was the one married equally and stayed as a part of ''the'' group...what about the others?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: alixaannencova on March 06, 2009, 11:17:46 PM
Oooh good point Marc...yes I'd like to know the answer to that too! Have you checked the Counts of Carlow thread? Maybe I will now! I do wonder whether it should not be merged with this one perhaps? Just for simplicity.

I guess the Carlows may have been very well off, being the only descendants of Mikhail P of their generation. I do wonder why Novomikhailovsky was relinquished after Ekaterina M.'s death. Perhaps to free up liquid funds to provide for her children and the futures of her Carlow grandchildren. I would also like to know how Ekaterina's forune was divided between her children etc!

I always assumed that Ekaterina P must have had a 'literal' fortune!

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 10, 2009, 02:47:36 AM
As morganauts what kind of treatment did von Carlows had in Russia?Were they treated as cousins in days of Nicholas II and prior...?On some coronation pictures one could see Helena von Mecklenburg-Strelitz,later von Sachsen-Altenburg,but she was the one married equally and stayed as a part of ''the'' group...what about the others?

About the Carlows treatment I had posted some info on the Carlows thread. They got along with the Imperial Family very well thanks to the kind and clever Countess Natalia Carlowa, spouse of Duke Georgiy.

As for the all the family of GDss Ekaterina M., then, yes, all her children were treated like cousins and were highly respected - there are no any kind of dirty scandals around them.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on March 10, 2009, 03:54:46 PM


I guess the Carlows may have been very well off, being the only descendants of Mikhail P of their generation. I do wonder why Novomikhailovsky was relinquished after Ekaterina M.'s death. Perhaps to free up liquid funds to provide for her children and the futures of her Carlow grandchildren. I would also like to know how Ekaterina's forune was divided between her children etc!



Actually the Palace was Mikhailovskiy as NovoMikhailovskiy was the family nest of GD Mikhail Nikolaevitch.

GDss Ekaterina M. in her testament gave all her palaces to her children in equal parts: Mikhailovskiy, Kamennoostrovskiy and Oranienbaum. Here's one important detail:  Princess Elena and her brother Mikhail had a right to have the Palaces as their own property , but their brother Georgiy (who married moraganatically) only had a liferent as his children could not inherit the property of the Imperial Family.
Emperor Alexander III,who had sanctioned the testament of GDss EM without reading to read himself into its text, was furious that Mikhailovskiy Palace was given to the Mecklenbourgs but nevertheless he didn't annul the testament and later the Palace was bought by Nicholas II.

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: alixaannencova on March 12, 2009, 05:03:54 PM
Doh....sorry Svetabel re Novomikhailovsky! I generally try really hard not to mix them up!!! I should have a placard on the wall to remind me!!!

Very intesting stuff about Alexander III's attitude toward the Mecklenburgs getting the Mikhailovsky Palace!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: kmerov on March 15, 2009, 07:32:50 PM
Does anyone have some portraits of the family besides the few ones already posted? It would be much appreciated :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on April 11, 2009, 09:45:48 AM
Good day! Help me, please.
I search portraits and information about Grand Duchesses Marie, Elizabeth, Catherine. They was a daughters of Grand Duke Michael Pavlovich and Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna. 
 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: kmerov on April 11, 2009, 12:00:37 PM
I found this portrait of Ekaterina Mikhailovna on the internet.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jekatyerina_Mihajlovna_of_Russia.jpg (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jekatyerina_Mihajlovna_of_Russia.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on April 14, 2009, 06:38:51 AM
3 daughters of GD Mikhail : Maria, Elizaveta, Ekaterina

(http://www.picatom.com/x/dmp-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/x/dmp-1.html)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on April 14, 2009, 06:42:04 AM
GDss Elizaveta M.

(http://www.picatom.com/x/elm-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/x/elm-1.html)

GDss Ekaterina M.

(http://www.picatom.com/x/em-2-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/x/em-2.html)

(http://www.picatom.com/x/em1-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/x/em1-1.html)

GDss Maria M.

(http://www.picatom.com/x/mm-10-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/x/mm-10.html)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: gem_10 on April 14, 2009, 08:59:37 AM
Very beautiful portraits Sveta! I'm amazed!
Thank you for sharing these to us. Portraits of these three grand duchesses are quite rare!
Once again, thanks for sharing them!  ;)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on April 15, 2009, 06:33:17 AM
Love the portraits...Sveta,you also posted some before but these are bigger ;) thanks
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on April 15, 2009, 12:57:28 PM
Sveta,you also posted some before but these are bigger

Yeah, I do remember I had posted : ) but sometimes the threads need refresh.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on April 15, 2009, 06:51:23 PM
U got me wrong :) the ones you posted were from your own camera and these ones are better...I like that kind of posts-of lesser known royals and because of your post I can recognize for example Ekaterina Mikhailovna in hunting suit or Maria Mikhailovna and not to mix them with Nicholaevna sisters like many do...that is thanks to you,that's why we need refreshments ;)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on April 20, 2009, 11:32:57 AM
GDss Elena Pavlovna, spouse of GD Mikhail P., in the 1860 years

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/ep-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: alixaannencova on April 22, 2009, 04:06:49 AM
As the moderators are doing such a super job spring cleaning may I ask if it would not be a good idea to merge the Counts of Carlow thread the with this one when it comes to tidy up the Imperial Family topic threads? Just a suggestion but I do think, in my humble opinion that they go together really!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on April 22, 2009, 12:26:22 PM
As the moderators are doing such a super job spring cleaning may I ask if it would not be a good idea to merge the Counts of Carlow thread the with this one when it comes to tidy up the Imperial Family topic threads? Just a suggestion but I do think, in my humble opinion that they go together really!

I understand your reasons but actually the Carlows are the Mecklenburg-Strelitzes in their origin, though they did became Russian citizens before the WWI. So they should be at some German thread or at the Russian Nobles subforum.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: alixaannencova on April 22, 2009, 09:15:25 PM
OK then...thanks for responding! I do understand! Oooops this is one of those frightful clogging 'thanks' posts isn't it...goodness sorry...delete it if you like..I should have PM'd you Svetabel....sorry!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on August 17, 2009, 03:58:38 AM
Grand Duchesses Maria and Ekaterina, daughters of GD Mikhail, in 1837

(http://www.picatom.com/12/1837-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/12/1837-1.html)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: bednayaliza on September 24, 2009, 10:14:49 AM
One more picture of Elena Pavlovna (painter - Socolov)"http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu120/bednayaliza/helenapavlovna.jpg"
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Teddy on September 24, 2009, 10:57:39 AM
Are there also books about this branch?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Sara Araújo on October 17, 2009, 03:32:06 AM
This was tagged s Grand Duchess Anna Pavlovna, but I think she looks more like Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna, wife of Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich:  :-\

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAAN8L2dvvyudoh6ZmuKTOcTF4_w0tG1sgO7DacxvzgSEP6pL6JgJKh-D8KZR4aPCK7YAjmb6XQQ38izl8k6IV6h0Am1T1UK-g8JkY3_owEDtgs_OePTrBfJ_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: gogm on October 17, 2009, 01:55:38 PM
Its Elena Pavlovna by I. Gral at the Russian Museum, St. Petersburg. It can be seen, along with other images of her at http://www.rusmuseum.ru/eng/exhib/lenta/exhibition2007/exhibition212/photos (http://www.rusmuseum.ru/eng/exhib/lenta/exhibition2007/exhibition212/photos).
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 17, 2009, 03:20:46 PM
the Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna is in mourning clothes. I'm guessing of one of her daughters.  :(
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Sara Araújo on November 07, 2009, 05:41:22 AM
 Grand Duchess Catherine Mikhailovna, daughter of Grand Duke Michael Pavlovich.

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAAB0qjX4BYsl9FSVrIqNg9MDfyC1QmZMWtMyOggNm9R2yOp8dZpmdpbkWnoLegUMJBC7svYmRgg78l3rOFCCj-PsAm1T1UL2_5Ui1WzT0QZdkkPKI6mckeS4F.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: gem_10 on November 25, 2009, 04:27:12 AM
A thread for the Grand Duchess Elizaveta Mikhailovna, daughter of Mikhail Pavlovich and Charlotte of Wurttemberg. Like her cousin, Alexandra Nikolaievna, she died at an early age. I've always been fascinated with her. I mean, what was she like? Her personality. Any information about her?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on November 25, 2009, 07:05:08 AM
A thread for the Grand Duchess Elizaveta Mikhailovna, daughter of Mikhail Pavlovich and Charlotte of Wurttemberg. Like her cousin, Alexandra Nikolaievna, she died at an early age. I've always been fascinated with her. I mean, what was she like? Her personality. Any information about her?

The contemporaries said she was a very sensible girl with much imagination and inclination to melancholy. She married almost at the same time as GDss Alexandra N., her cousin, and after learning about Alexandra's death Elizaveta convinced herself that she would die in child-birth as well. And she died in child-birth.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on November 25, 2009, 09:05:21 AM
Obviously and unfortunately,she had a good intuition...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on November 26, 2009, 01:58:04 AM
Obviously and unfortunately,she had a good intuition...

She obviously understood that her health was weak. Alexandra N. was tubercular, that's why she gave a premature birth to a son and died. Elizaveta, if I remember correctly, died of complications of the child-birth.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: gem_10 on November 26, 2009, 04:21:03 AM
What was her relationship like with her husband Adolf? Did they get along very well?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on November 26, 2009, 06:20:02 AM
What was her relationship like with her husband Adolf? Did they get along very well?

They said the couple was truly in love, and Adolf was devastated with Elizaveta's death.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on December 06, 2009, 07:22:44 AM
I am very interested in information about the device of marriage of Grand Duchess Maria Mikhailovna with Crown Prince of Baden.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: violetta on December 06, 2009, 09:07:50 AM
adolf,elizaveta`s husband,was devastated by his wife`s death.in fact,thei newly-born girl died,too.adolf decided to build an othodox church after her name.the church was placed on the hill,visible from everywhee in the city, even from the duke`s palace (it reminds me of the chapel on the hill in stuttgat erected in honour of ekaterina pavlovna).


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Russian-orthodox-church-wiesbaden.jpg)


in 1896 nikolay 2 bought the church and a plot of land around it (including the cemetary) so nowadays the church belongs to the Russian Othodox Church.

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: violetta on December 06, 2009, 12:07:19 PM
by the way, adolf built this church on elizaveta`s dowry.he turned for permission to the emperor who agreed .
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on December 09, 2009, 10:36:54 AM
One question...did Prince Albrecht von Sachsen-Altenburg and Princess Helena von Mecklenburg-Strelitz live in Russia or Germany?If in Russia did they have their own palace and if not where did they live?

Thanks
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on December 09, 2009, 11:02:09 AM
One question...did Prince Albrecht von Sachsen-Altenburg and Princess Helena von Mecklenburg-Strelitz live in Russia or Germany?If in Russia did they have their own palace and if not where did they live?

Thanks

Princess Elena owned a Palace on Kamenniy Ostrov in St-Petersburg, also she had a right to live in the Oranienbaum palace. Prince Albert had an estate in Germany.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on December 09, 2009, 11:24:46 AM
Thank you Sveta...I know this island has few palaces...among them was one of Prince Peter von Oldenburg...did Helena own the main one,ex-imperial residence or another one?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on December 10, 2009, 01:53:42 AM
Thank you Sveta...I know this island has few palaces...among them was one of Prince Peter von Oldenburg...did Helena own the main one,ex-imperial residence or another one?

She owned the main residence, former Palace of Emperor Alexander I.

Modern view of the Palace

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/250/index.html (http://www.enlight.ru/camera/250/index.html)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on December 10, 2009, 03:01:47 AM
Thank you Sveta...so,the Mecklenburgs were quite rich...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: kmerov on December 13, 2009, 04:03:55 PM
I think they were quite rich, but after the death of GDss Ekaterina Mikhailovna they had to sell Mikhailovski Palace and move into a smaller Palace. I think it was partly due to money issues.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on December 14, 2009, 03:16:08 AM
I think they were quite rich, but after the death of GDss Ekaterina Mikhailovna they had to sell Mikhailovski Palace and move into a smaller Palace. I think it was partly due to money issues.

They just moved everyone to its mansion/palace. The siblings together owned the Oranienbaum palace and estate though.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on June 17, 2010, 08:00:43 AM
GDss Ekaterina Mikhailovna's portrait. Guess it was lost

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/ekatmikh.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: kmerov on July 20, 2010, 06:52:40 PM
Nice portrait, none the less, thank you for posting.

Her husband, Duke George of Mecklenburg-Strelitz.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/DukeGeorgeofM-S.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on July 21, 2010, 08:05:28 AM
Such a great portrait Kmerov...where is it now?Where did you find it?I was searching for it for a long time and could only find extra-mini version of his other portrait on some Russian site...thnx!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: kmerov on July 21, 2010, 02:18:46 PM
I found it on Wikipedia some time ago, it's by Kramskoy and had the date 1876. Have you posted his other portrait, would love to see it?

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: kmerov on July 21, 2010, 02:20:48 PM
I think this Palace in Mecklenburg, Schloss Remplin was used as a summer residence by the couple.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Remplin1.png
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on July 21, 2010, 02:55:37 PM
I found it on Wikipedia some time ago, it's by Kramskoy and had the date 1876. Have you posted his other portrait, would love to see it?



Yes,in some other thread,I think in the first or second thread about Imperial portraits,I think...I posted than also an extra-mini portrait of GD Ekaterina Mikhailovna with it because at that time those were the only ones of them...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on July 22, 2010, 01:03:56 AM
Such a great portrait Kmerov...where is it now?Where did you find it?I was searching for it for a long time and could only find extra-mini version of his other portrait on some Russian site...thnx!

I've seen it in Pavlovsk, at the exibition about GD Mikhail Pavlovitch.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on August 27, 2010, 07:45:28 PM
Please post information and/or portraits of Grand Duchess Elizaveta Mikhailovna (1826-1845):

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4094/4933612168_dcc4b01ae9.jpg)

Elizaveta by Vladimir Hau
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on August 28, 2010, 02:29:59 AM
Please post information and/or portraits of Grand Duchess Elizaveta Mikhailovna (1826-1845):



Some pictures of her are at this topic.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: violetta on October 16, 2010, 10:23:25 AM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/014.jpg)

GD Mikhail Pavlovich & GD Elena Pavlovna


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/096.jpg)

GD Elena Pavlovna
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: violetta on October 16, 2010, 12:40:58 PM
The future Elena Pavlovna, nee Fredeika Charlotta Maria of Wuerttemberg, arived to Russia on 30.09 (12.10) 1823.

Danilevskiy, Alexander I`s aide de camp, wrote about her

She attracted universal attention, and the members of the court talked about her arrival for a month. I didn`t know a single person, among those introduced to her, who were not charmed by her. ..I don`t know what her life in Russia will be like but her arrival put a stop to jealousy and gossiping so comon in our court. Before the return of Alexander I the Wuettenberg princess  lived in Gatchina, and the Empress  invited a few people every day so as to introduce them to her future daughter-in-law. The princess could find a common topic with  everyone e.g. she discussed Russian history with Karamzin or Slavonic languages with Shishkov or  she discussed battles with generals. It was evident that she prepared herself for her new role in Russia and that she wanted to gain universal love at once. When I was observing her I came to the conclusion that the future Empress Catherine II behaved in the same way when she found herself in the court of Empress Elizabeth
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on October 16, 2010, 06:31:05 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/5087309903_63352e4ce7.jpg)

Mikhail Pavlovich and Elena Pavlovna on horseback, by Schmidt.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on October 27, 2010, 05:36:47 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/5121308429_676a0bd97b.jpg)

Fuller version of Hau's portrait of Mikhail Pavlovich's daughters.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on December 29, 2010, 09:26:29 PM
GDss Ekaterina Mikhailovna

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5304893927_81bd354b3e_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on February 16, 2011, 06:52:41 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5019/5451774437_786af4383e.jpg)

Grand Duchess Elizaveta Mikhailovna
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on February 23, 2011, 06:54:48 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5136/5472063899_3b2face6f6_z.jpg)

Elizaveta Mikhailovna
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on May 03, 2011, 12:01:40 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5227/5683861363_d4d32c5132_b.jpg)

Grand Duchess Maria Mikhailovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on May 29, 2011, 07:51:07 AM
Photo of Helene von Sachsen-Altenburg:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/HeleneAltenburg.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on June 22, 2011, 05:54:46 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5037/5861707908_d6d2a81aed.jpg)

Elizaveta Mikhailovna by Daffinger.  Posted before, but this one has no mark.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on July 03, 2011, 07:54:48 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6040/5899444522_98f41f6a77.jpg)

Has anyone ever seen a larger version of this Elizaveta Mikhailovna portrait?  It looks like it's based on the Hau portrait, but she's holding a fan and wearing different headdress.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on July 25, 2011, 05:59:55 PM
What was the name of the Baden prince whom Maria Mikhailovna was expected to marry? 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on July 30, 2011, 02:11:42 AM
What was the name of the Baden prince whom Maria Mikhailovna was expected to marry? 

I think that was Friedrich, future husband of Luise of Prussia. His eldest brother Ludwig was mentally retarded and unlikely a candidate as a husband.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on July 31, 2011, 08:31:34 AM
Is there any portrait in color of Maria Mikhailovna,apart from those painted as a child with her sister Ekaterina and that with her mother Elena?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on July 31, 2011, 01:39:34 PM
Is there any portrait in color of Maria Mikhailovna,apart from those painted as a child with her sister Ekaterina and that with her mother Elena?

There's a color portrait of her in page 6 of this topic. Or do you mean some more other portraits?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on July 31, 2011, 08:26:03 PM
Svetabel,you are great for reminding me ;-) I have a question.

I remember even before those pictures-you took by yourself(I presume) same pictures/portraits from some museum and identified them the same as now.The portrait of Maria Mikhailovna was very frequent on the web but always misidentified as Grand Duchess Maria Nicholaevna in 1844 by Vladimir Hau...Have you seen it yourself on the web?Scroll down and you will see:

http://www.nasledie-rus.ru/podshivka/6805.php

Of course I believe you as you have been to various museums and you are very much informed about everything related to Imperial family,but I was just confused why is this portrait in particular so much misidentified!


Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on August 01, 2011, 12:29:21 AM
Svetabel,you are great for reminding me ;-) I have a question.

I remember even before those pictures-you took by yourself(I presume) same pictures/portraits from some museum and identified them the same as now.The portrait of Maria Mikhailovna was very frequent on the web but always misidentified as Grand Duchess Maria Nicholaevna in 1844 by Vladimir Hau...Have you seen it yourself on the web?Scroll down and you will see:

http://www.nasledie-rus.ru/podshivka/6805.php

Of course I believe you as you have been to various museums and you are very much informed about everything related to Imperial family,but I was just confused why is this portrait in particular so much misidentified!




You know there is always a mess with the portraits of daughters of Emperor Nicholas I and his brothers' Mikhail...The portraits of these girls are often misidentified, also sometimes ALL Hau's 'sitters' looks very much alike )).
Personally I see a veeery slight resemblance to Maria Nikolayevna and do believe that's Maria M. The portrait from page 6 I scanned from a  recent bio on GDss Elena Pavlovna. Also I've seen it in the volumnious catalogue of the Russian Museum identiifed as Maria M.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on August 01, 2011, 07:39:16 AM
Personally I see a veeery slight resemblance to Maria Nikolayevna and do believe that's Maria M. The portrait from page 6 I scanned from a  recent bio on GDss Elena Pavlovna. Also I've seen it in the volumnious catalogue of the Russian Museum identiifed as Maria M.

Thank you for this,I knew you would know...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on September 05, 2011, 09:10:28 PM
Was the wedding of Adolph of Nassau and Elizaveta Mikhailovna celebrated at the Winter Palace, or somewhere else? 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Svetabel on September 08, 2011, 03:07:04 AM
Was the wedding of Adolph of Nassau and Elizaveta Mikhailovna celebrated at the Winter Palace, or somewhere else? 

Yes, they were married at the Winter palace.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on September 27, 2011, 07:29:33 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6162/6190165511_6ca3624027_z.jpg)

I found this picture labeled as Grand Duchess Maria Mikhailovna by Neff, and it does bear a resemblance to the well-known engraving of her; does anyone else think it might be Maria?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on September 28, 2011, 06:07:03 AM
Based on her picture from the previous page I think it could really be her,but let's wait for more opinions just to be sure...some painters painted many sitters in a same or similar way,so that's why I can't be sure...

I know this portrait labeled as:"Портрет молодой женщины"("Portrait of young woman") and it should be from Hermitage...

Neff also painted her sister and some other members of Imperial family,so he could have painted Maria too...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on December 06, 2011, 06:33:48 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6468835821_39c749a8fb_b.jpg)

Grand Duchess Elizaveta Mikhailovna.  I posted this picture in color awhile back, but here is the biggest and clearest version of it I've seen yet.  Download for full size.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: gem_10 on December 07, 2011, 12:52:22 AM
Wonderful picture, Dru! I would love to see a bigger colored version of that. I wonder where the portrait is located.. Elizabeth Mikhailovna's portrait are difficult to find. Perhaps because of there are few of them?  :-\
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on December 19, 2011, 01:48:59 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6539417837_55ac3dd4fe_b.jpg)

Elizaveta Mikhailovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on April 02, 2012, 06:49:45 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7208/7040349959_f870121e2c.jpg)

Ekaterina Mikhailovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on May 28, 2012, 04:09:06 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6040/5899444522_98f41f6a77.jpg)

Has anyone ever seen a larger version of this Elizaveta Mikhailovna portrait?  It looks like it's based on the Hau portrait, but she's holding a fan and wearing different headdress.

I found it!  Isn't it beautiful?  ;D

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7236/7289785304_480d1f290e_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Veronica on May 28, 2012, 07:04:11 PM
Nice finding! I think that all the portraits done by Hau are beautiful.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on May 28, 2012, 07:41:47 PM
Nice finding! I think that all the portraits done by Hau are beautiful.

I agree, Veronica--there's just something about his painting style.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: gem_10 on May 28, 2012, 11:02:43 PM
Thank you Dru for that painting! I've been searching for it for ages! It's very beautiful. :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on September 01, 2012, 04:51:02 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8039/7903220890_f2c8243f35_b.jpg)

Elena Pavlovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Sara Araújo on October 28, 2012, 06:15:23 AM
Catherine as an old woman:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img338/5902/ekatb.jpg)

Does any one have a bigger version of this portrait of Adolph of Luxemburg? It's by Hau:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img824/1073/adolpheofnassaubyhau.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on November 11, 2012, 07:17:04 PM
Here you go, Sara; this is the biggest I've been able to find it:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8345/8177196503_df1dd75bbb_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Sara Araújo on November 12, 2012, 10:32:06 AM
Thank you very much! That's exactly what I was looking for! :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on December 07, 2012, 04:42:50 PM
You are welcome, Sara!

Here is Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8484/8253703434_9546355ba7_b.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on February 04, 2013, 01:04:48 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8370/8444597847_39b0e2166a_z.jpg)

According to Stadtarchiv Wiesbaden, this is an image of Grand Duchess Elizaveta Mikhailovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on April 11, 2013, 08:52:20 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8342/8197104813_9a834ed8a6_z.jpg)

Grand Duchess Ekaterina Mikhailovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on April 15, 2013, 03:10:31 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8342/8197104813_9a834ed8a6_z.jpg)

Grand Duchess Ekaterina Mikhailovna.

Interestingly,this painting was sold unidentified from the Versace collection of paintings few years ago...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on May 04, 2013, 07:47:57 PM
Thanks, Marc; I didn't know where it came from, but I've seen it identified as Ekaterina Mikhailovna in several places.  Maybe it isn't her  :-\

Anyway, I'm sure this is Ekaterina's sister Grand Duchess Maria Mikhailovna:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8394/8708015971_eca3a164d9_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on October 07, 2013, 10:37:00 AM
Does anyone know anything about the life of Grand Duchess Maria Mikhailovna?  I can't find anything but very vague details: her mother wanted her to marry the prince of Baden, and she died of tuberculosis in Vienna, but I would like to know more about her as a person.  Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on November 22, 2013, 03:29:14 PM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3707/10999877363_bb04f5f67d_o.jpg)

Found as Ekaterina Mikhailovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on November 29, 2013, 12:04:00 AM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7367/11112288886_6c33ab66c6_o.jpg)

Maria Mikhailovna by Hau.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on January 24, 2014, 07:39:46 PM
Does anyone have a larger copy of this portrait of Elizaveta Mikhailovna? 

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2859/12126120885_2e947d6a22_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on April 13, 2014, 01:49:42 PM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7280/13828217653_46ca8c123e_o.jpg)

Elizaveta Mikhailovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on August 13, 2014, 04:23:12 PM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5556/14723834567_15be4a64fa_o.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3918/14910037522_8ae0edff88_o.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3906/14723781578_0ae6b7b538_o.jpg)

Miniatures of Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich's daughters: Maria, Elizaveta, and Ekaterina Mikhailovna.  From Réunion des Musées Nationaux Grand Palais.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on August 15, 2014, 08:52:00 PM
Love the portraits Dru :P thnx for sharing them with us ;)

Could you please provide a direct the link for these portraits here?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on August 16, 2014, 06:31:37 AM
Hi Marc,

I found the portraits here, http://vk.com/albums-35562918 (http://vk.com/albums-35562918); it's a closed group, but it's easy enough to join and get full access if you have a VK.com account.  If you don't want to join, though, I can always send you any other portraits you might want :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on August 17, 2014, 01:34:54 PM
Thank you so much for the link...I joined,but from that link my access is denied for some reason,so I still can't see them :(

If there is any other link from which I could browse,please post ;)

Thank you Dru one more time :-) wonderful contribution with all your posts...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on August 17, 2014, 07:30:36 PM
Marc, try this link and let me know if it works.  I'm so glad you like the portraits :)

http://www.photo.rmn.fr/C.aspx?VP3=SearchResult&VBID=2CO5PCHIAEXK&PN=1 (http://www.photo.rmn.fr/C.aspx?VP3=SearchResult&VBID=2CO5PCHIAEXK&PN=1)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on August 18, 2014, 06:46:50 AM
Yes,it does :-)

Thank you very much for helping me find these beautiful portraits and for posting them here ;)

But I find it very strange that they couldn't identify the portraits you posted...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: GDNastya on October 03, 2014, 01:45:42 PM
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r174/GDNastya/LDf4-xy5ljA.jpg) (http://s144.photobucket.com/user/GDNastya/media/LDf4-xy5ljA.jpg.html)

Ekaterina Mikhailovna
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on October 03, 2014, 03:31:26 PM
Thanks for sharing, GDNastya!  It looks like a Vladimir Hau portrait--do you know for sure if it is?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: GDNastya on October 05, 2014, 01:44:25 PM
Yes, it is watercolour by Vladimir Hau
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on October 27, 2014, 12:58:55 PM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5615/15644449782_1468891368_o.jpg)

Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich in uniform.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on July 17, 2016, 07:09:44 PM
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8593/28343521546_55a0831073_h.jpg)

Elizaveta Mikhailovna by Briullov.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on July 17, 2016, 07:11:30 PM
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8630/28298104111_c0f953725e_h.jpg)

Ekaterina Mikhailovna.

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7310/28343782146_2889a1e50f_h.jpg)

Ekaterina Mikhailovna by Briullov.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on July 17, 2016, 07:23:29 PM
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8807/28298101551_5ae912d75f_b.jpg)

Maria, Elizaveta, and Ekaterina Mikhailovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Marc on August 27, 2016, 10:22:17 AM
http://www.anticstore.com/grande-duchesse-ekaterina-mikhailovna-miniature-par-cecile-villeneuve-52693P
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on August 27, 2016, 01:19:58 PM
Wow, Marc, thanks for sharing.  That's one of the most beautiful--and flattering--images of Ekaterina Mikhailovna I've ever seen!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on May 30, 2017, 12:29:51 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/161246293985 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/161246293985)

Close-up of Maria Mikhailovna by Neff.  This is the first time I've seen it in color.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on October 21, 2018, 06:03:12 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/178738077765 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/178738077765)

Maria, Elizaveta, and Ekaterina by Hau.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on October 21, 2018, 06:04:15 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/174504187500 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/174504187500)

Elizaveta Mikhailovna on her deathbed.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on October 21, 2018, 06:06:36 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/178255364605 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/178255364605)

Maria Mikhailovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on October 21, 2018, 06:08:55 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/178255459785 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/178255459785)

http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/178218713950 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/178218713950)

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Ekaterina Mikhailovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
Post by: Dru on November 07, 2018, 08:30:29 PM
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Elizaveta Mikhailovna by Hau.