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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Windsors => Topic started by: etonexile on July 26, 2005, 11:37:13 AM

Title: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: etonexile on July 26, 2005, 11:37:13 AM
Let's see some great pics and stories about this strong,dedicated woman...."Royalty" was almost a religion to her....
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 26, 2005, 03:06:43 PM
QV: 'Mary's boys are splendid but her little girl is very plain.'

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/britain/48a.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Martyn on July 26, 2005, 03:09:26 PM
My favourite picture of May.....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/ImperialMay.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 26, 2005, 03:22:47 PM
she grew out of delicacy as an infant and was soon 'alarmingly tall'
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/britain/54.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 26, 2005, 03:30:30 PM
She developed an aversion to illness and invalidism as a young child when she was taken by her mother as a young girl to spend time with her grandmother the Duchess of Cambridge. The Duchess had suffered a stroke and lived at St James's Palace in the dark apartments. The Duchess was at this point so bent that one often had to kneel on the floor to talk to her and, being completely bald, would sometimes either have her wig on crookedly or, more disconcertingly, leave it off totally. Marie Battenberg witnessed this and wrote that she was 'quite disconcerted...and her absolutely bald head looked like a very big egg'. Sometimes the children would be left in the carriage for hours while their mother visited the aged Duchess. Since her brothers were soon of to school it was invariably May who accompanied her mother into the gloomy atmosphere. The young girl was rather scared of her grandmother and would write in her later years 'I think an invalid rather frightens young people.'
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 26, 2005, 03:37:41 PM
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The floor is yours GDElla...give us your best...... :)


I'll do my best.  :)  I'm going to try to find some 'new' photos.

Regarding her shyness: 'Princess May was now fourteen. For some years she had been taken to children's parties and to dancing classes. At all of these she suffered considerably, for, once outside the home circle, she was, and for many, many years remained, infintely shy. The psychological causes of this major handicap are not far to seek: for the Duchess of Teck's impulsive, entertaining and at time indiscreet conversation was hard for a growing daughter to rival. The girl reacted against it by becoming a silent listener and observer. The Duchess was a devoted parent, but she could often seem an embarassing one...At Taglioni's dancing classes...the other children would giggle when they saw that Princess May's mother needed two gilt chairs, not one, to sit upon. Princess May was accutely conscious that her mother might at any moment appear in an absurd light to those who did not know her...She was perfectly aware of her own shyness, but, like most sensitive children, she did not know how it could best be overcome. The Duchess of Teck only made it worse by applying her own rough-and-ready method for curing shyness...which was to refer in company to this shyness in the presence of the wretched girl herself.' At one party when May was 13 she tried to hide behind MA in the procession and her 'teeth were chattering with fright'.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 26, 2005, 03:40:46 PM
As a bridesmaid for Princess Louise of Wales to the Duke of Fife
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/britain/maryofteck1867-14.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 26, 2005, 03:43:28 PM
In her 'coming out' dress
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Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 26, 2005, 03:52:45 PM
The birth of David:

QV: 'I went over yesterday with Beatrice, Nicky, Alicky, &c to see May & the Baby who is a vy fine strong Boy, a pretty Child.'

The to-do over his name: G&M had determined to call him Edward 'after darling Eddy' but as QV reminded them 'You write as if Edward was the real name of dear Eddy...'

The young parents got very little respite from MA who bustled in and out of their home several times a day--often unannounced
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/britain/13b.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 26, 2005, 04:03:11 PM
1951: King George VI had undergone surgery on his lung. QM spent a 'dreadful morning of anxiety' while reports were phoned to her. Shortly before his operation she had been able to visit with him and they had 'a nice talk'. He recovered enough for the whole family to spend Christmas together at Sandringham but QM was obliged to leave in mid-Jan owing to her rheumatism. She left sharing the optimism of GVI regarding his health. On Feb 6 was in her sitting-room when her Woman-of-the-Bedchamber Cynthia Colville came into the room. QM looked at her and asked 'Is it the King?' From this 'the last great emotional shock of her life, Queen Mary did not recover. Her Household noticed that from now on the old Queen aged rapidly.' To her lifelong friend Lady Shaftesbury she said "I suppose one must force onself to go on until the end?'

She had now outlived her parents and in-laws; most of her contemporaries; 2 of her brothers; 3 of her siblings-in-law; her husband; 3 of her 6 children.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/britain/BE0726041.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 26, 2005, 04:16:56 PM
The death of GV:
'On 14 January, te anniversary as it happened of Prince Eddy's death, the King went out of doors for the last time. [Sandringham also being where Eddy died] On 17 Jan QM realized that his sudden illness was more serious than had first been thought and sent for the Prince of Wales who was shooting at Windsor. She worded the note carefully since she didn't want to alarm GV by having his son suddenly arrive full of worry saying that the doctors weren't 'too pleased with Papa's state'. David arrived via aeroplane the next day. By the 19th the other children began to arrive and David drove to London to inform the PM the King was dying. QM wrote she 'sat with him for time to time--Did not go to church as the place was surrounded by reporters and photographers--too heartless--Walked with Mary--Georgie arrived at 7--David & Bertie left but will return tomorrow.' On 20 January GV died. QM wrote in her diary 'Am brokenhearted...at 5 to 12 my darling husband passed peacefully away--my children were angelic...The sunset of his death tinged the whole world's sky''
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(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/britain/File0722.jpg)

On the day after the funeral Archbishop Lang recorded that he had a long talk with her and Pss Mary. He reported that QM was strong but 'let it not be supposed that this unfailing self-control was due to any sort of hardness...her emotions were always ready to break through; only her courage restrained them.' When the Trooping the Colour was held in June QM wrote that 'tears were often in my eyes thinking of the past & of him we so sorely  miss.'
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Prince_Christopher on July 26, 2005, 04:21:35 PM
She was the epitome of royalty, classically regal, and extremely intelligent and astute....
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: etonexile on July 26, 2005, 05:04:16 PM
I love that pic of May and Georgie on the sofa....his leg under the other....so charming and sweet...intimate...
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: etonexile on July 26, 2005, 05:08:41 PM
And the next pic....she looks out at the world in confidence and humour...he looks at her....she was the centre of his universe......
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Martyn on July 27, 2005, 07:02:02 AM
Marvellous information GDElla and wonderful images, as ever.

I love the full-length one of May in her coming out gown; I have never seen that before and it is marvellous for the detail fof the dress..... :)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Prince_Lieven on July 27, 2005, 07:06:01 AM
After May became engaged to Eddy, Bertie kept reminding her to 'keep Eddy up to the mark'. All the pressure made May a little nervous, and one morning she said to her mother, the Duchess of Teck, 'Do you really think I can take this on, Mama?' The Duchess, keen to become and ancestress of future kings and queens of England, snapped 'Of course, May.' Look at the man she herself had 'taken on'. This is the only time I ever heard Queen Mary doubt herself. She never mentioned Eddy to her children.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Martyn on July 27, 2005, 07:11:00 AM
I really cannot imagine how that marriage would have turned out, in much the same way that i acn't quite picture what kind of King Eddy would have made.

Still if backbone was required, May was certainly the girl for the job......
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Prince_Lieven on July 27, 2005, 07:14:09 AM
May might, just might have been able to be the making of Eddy. We'll never know. If Eddy had had become King, it would probably have been Queen Mary III who ruled the UK in all but name!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Martyn on July 27, 2005, 07:18:57 AM
Well Prince, you might just be right about that...... ;)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Grace on July 27, 2005, 08:39:31 AM
May was chosen as Eddy's bride to help him in his future role as King.    
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Martyn on July 27, 2005, 10:01:31 AM
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May was chosen as Eddy's bride to help him in his future role as King.    


I'm sure that she was.  A sound choice too.

It is interesting to speculate what kind of monarchs they would have made together........

What do you think Grace?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: emeraldeyes on July 27, 2005, 02:27:18 PM
What wonderful photos all of you have shared...I just love QM's regal bearing.  
If I could meet any royal from the past, it would definitely be her.  Fascinating life story.  Passion for jewels.  Appreciation of fine objects.  Dedication to duty.  One could learn so much!

Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 27, 2005, 09:34:56 PM
I think QM would've been a success because it was just in her but I don't think she and Eddy would've been very happy together. She and George just fit together better in temperament and personality. Eddy didn't love her, perhaps he could've, but he fell in & out of love pretty easily. I don't think he would've been faithful to her. 'Professionally' she would've been a success but personally I think she would've been peaceful at best. She was certainly fond of him and they'd known each other a long time so it wouldn't have been a marriage of dislike but I don't think it would've brought her contentment either.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Prince_Christopher on July 27, 2005, 10:06:09 PM
She seemed to be very content in her life, totally self-assured.

Her hobbies included genealogy, scrapbooking, and collecting priceless jewels.

I am especially interested in her jade collection.  Anyone know anything about it?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 27, 2005, 11:49:10 PM
One of my favorite portraits of her

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/britain/royal17.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 27, 2005, 11:50:26 PM
GV&QM coronation
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/britain/georgemarydelhicor.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 27, 2005, 11:53:09 PM
The lighter side of QM
QM & balloon
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/britain/QM50271.jpg)

QM smiling at tea
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/britain/QM5341.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Grace on July 28, 2005, 01:38:02 AM
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I'm sure that she was.  A sound choice too.

It is interesting to speculate what kind of monarchs they would have made together........

What do you think Grace?


Martyn, I concur with your favourite portrait of May - that one somehow makes her real and far less remote than some of her other formal studies.  It has a softness to it as well.  :)  

The photographs of her smiling too are just so different to the May we usually see.

I think that had Eddy lived to marry May and eventually ascend the throne, his reign would have been similar to that of George and May.  With May's assistance and guidance (and perhaps George's as well) Eddy would have been as beloved a King as his father and brother.  He was a dutiful son and grandson and the royal duties he undertook were performed well. And he did have a very winning charm!

I can't say whether or not he would have been a faithful husband to May - he may have matured more with time  - there's evidence, though, that as their engagement ensued, Eddy became increasingly satisfied with May as his future wife, even though it was not a love match on either side.

Phew!  It's very hard for me to be objective about my All Time Favourite Royal but I try!  :-/
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Martyn on July 28, 2005, 08:31:47 AM
Good reply Grace.

GDElla, love that portrait - who painted it?

I have to add that the 1890's were the best years fashion-wise for May.  Tight-lacing, full bust and hips and flare at the hem all suited her figure to perfection - plus her looks were in their prime - really lovely.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Martyn on July 28, 2005, 03:19:16 PM
I love that image of May with the  balloon - perhaps that is the face that her grandchilden knew and loved.....? :)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: etonexile on July 29, 2005, 11:39:42 AM
Any with pics of May in Italy as a girl....during the embarrassing exile.....?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Martyn on July 29, 2005, 03:57:41 PM
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Any with pics of May in Italy as a girl....during the embarrassing exile.....?



That is a good question; surely there must be some of the sojourn in Florence?

If anyone has any it will be GDElla......
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 29, 2005, 06:59:43 PM
Ah--a challenge.  :)

I haven't found any candids yet but this is one taken during their time in Italy:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/britain/img209may1885.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 29, 2005, 07:03:03 PM
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I love that image of May with the  balloon - perhaps that is the face that her grandchilden knew and loved.....? :)


with Prince Michael of Kent
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/britain/QM5551.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 29, 2005, 07:22:22 PM
the more things change, the more they stay the same

c. 1885
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/britain/img211a.jpg)

c.1920s
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/britain/bj111.jpg)

c.1930 going to Ascot
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/britain/U170824INP1.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/britain/HU0052911.jpg)

c.1940s Kew Gardens
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/britain/c4864.jpg)

This doesn't even count the multitude of photos of her with her parasol closed and used when walking.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 29, 2005, 08:11:33 PM
QM's stay at Badminton during WW2 wasn't made mention of much in public and she wasn't seen much. There are some tales of her time in the countryside though:

She would give lifts in her Daimler to American soldiers in the district and would even attend their baseball games. She was 'unbending in a way perhaps that she had never done so in her life before, and was always amused when they were incredulous at her identity'.

Some US soldiers wrote in letters home that she was 'a jolly good sort' after she gave him a lift. Another wrote to his parents in Massachusetts that 'you can't imagine anyone looking so like a real queen but able to laugh at jokes just as if she were one of us. I told her I recognized her because I was a stamp collector, and she asked whether I thought it was a good likeness that used to be on the British stamps.'

There was another US soldier, 22 yr old Pvt Ora Foster from Michigan who was given a lift in 1942 while he had been walking along a road. For 45 minutes he talked about his home, his impressions of England, and his parents with QM without realizing who she was. As they neared the end of the drive, QM asked her drive to hand her a package. Noting the confused look on Pvt Foster's face, she asked 'You don't know who I am, do you? to which Ora replied that 'there you have me beat'. QM told him with a laugh and then handed him the package which contained one of her medallions.

with US soldiers:
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/britain/QM50141.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Martyn on July 30, 2005, 05:58:28 AM
I suppose a parasol was an essential article of kit to the Victorian and Edwardian lady......In an era when a pale compexion was prized and freckling to be avoided at all costs as a sign of low class, protection from the Sun was essential.

Mind you, a parasol might have been a useful royal prop as well....?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: etonexile on July 30, 2005, 09:45:37 AM
Isn't that how HM signals she'd like to be moved on from a conversation?....She wiggles the umbrella... ;D
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: cimbrio on August 01, 2005, 02:09:54 AM
My dad has this image of her as a distant woman, and he remembers having 3 days of mourning when she died (he was off school for that time, he was 8), the same way as my mom remembers Queen Ena's death and the 3-day proclamation of mourning in Spain although Ena had been in Spain only once after 14 April 1931...
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on August 04, 2005, 09:50:39 AM
Queen Mary as a poet. She wrote this on the back of a programme of a dramatic promise that was held at Cromwell House in Feb 1888. Ther performance was under the patronage of MA for the aid of St Katharine's Prison Reform Work.

If each
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on April 27, 2006, 09:46:17 PM
Since the previous thread has hit the magic '20 pages' (plus), it seemed time for a new thread.

I came across this in the New York Times in Dec 1910:

ROYAL CHILD EXPECTED.; Will Be the First Birth in Buckingham Palace in Fifty-four Years.

Now, obviously, there was no child. I wonder what started the rumor though? It was unlikely there was any pregnancy--QM was about 44 then and it'd been several years since Prince John was born.

As it was, it would take another 50+ years for a Queen to give birth (EII and Prince Andrew).
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 28, 2006, 07:00:32 AM
Yes thank you gdella for starting a new thread,what a strange article. :-?

Here is one to start
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Queen Mary together with her two eldest sons Albert George and Edward in Balmoral in 1905.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on April 28, 2006, 08:55:23 AM
NYT June 1914 Re: QM and modern dance

“Queen Mary’s deeply-rooted prejudice against the tango, one-step and other exotic modern dances all went by the board on Thursday night, when she and King George honoured Grand Duke Michael and Countss Torby with their company at dinner at Ken Wood , Hampstead, and at the ball which followed for the GD’s daughters, Countess Nada and Countess Zia Torby.

It was the American dancers, Maurice and Florence Walton, who worked the miracle of the Queen’s conversion to ragtime and tango as done in New York, and for one solid hour after dinner Queen Mary, flanked by King George and Grand Duchess Anastasia, and a brilliant assembly, watched the modern ballroom gymnastics of Francis and his partner with every manifestation of interest and approval, punctuating their sixteen dances with frequent exclamations of appreciation.

Queen Mary smiled at the complicated steps of Maurice’s eccentric ‘buck dance’, and at the end of the programme asked to have the pair to recalled to give an encore of the one-step. Then she had the dancers presented to her and thanked them graciously, saying: ‘Your dances were charming.’

Maurice today gave an interesting account of how he showed Queen Mary ‘how ‘twas done in polite American society’. He said: ‘I had no intention when I went to Ken Wood of doing the tango, the maxixe or one-step. Several of my friends had tipped me off that their Majesties wouldn’t stand for it. I was only going to show them my skating waltz and the hesitation, but along came the Grand Duke Michael, their host, and said to me, ‘Mon cher, M Maurice, do me the pleasure to show your latest creations to their majesties, adding with a laugh, the French equivalent, freely translated, of ‘Go as far as you like.’

‘I knew what he meant by that, but the Queen herself, left no doubt as to her wish in the matter, for she told the Grand Duchess Anastasia that she’d like to see the real Argentine tango as she’d never seen it. I was the happiest man in the world when the Grand Duchess brought the Queen’s request to do the tango, saying she’d be much obliged.

‘We started with a plain waltz, then did the maxixe. The Queen commented, ‘I don’t see why people find anything wrong in these dances. ‘ When we did the skating waltz, the Queen remarked, ‘It seems as if they are on the ice.’ A little later on she remarked: ‘How can they remember all those steps?’ The Queen smiled her pleasure and the King roared with laughter at the at the American buck dance, and especially at the business of beating time with the fingers on collars and cuffs. The Queen applauded all the dances, but what she liked especially was the hesitation waltz and the old minuet to modern steps.

‘Seeing we’d got away so well with all the others, I thought we’d  show ‘em the American one-step, and close the programme with it, but as we were going out Queen Mary asked the Countess Nada to request us to be kind enough to come back and do another one-step, and we did. She found nothing objectionable in any of the modern dances as we did them. She’s so nice, too—absolutely different from all they say, ‘ observed Maurice, with the confidence of one who knows whereof he was talking.

‘As a final encore’, he continued, ‘ we gave them the double one-step. It literally made Queen Mary sit up and take notice. We were both presented afterward to their Majesties by Grand Duke Michael. They thanked us, the Queen adding , ‘Your dances were so charming.’ Also, they expressed wonder that we could have danced at all on such a floor, which was frightfully slippery.’ '
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 28, 2006, 10:25:41 AM
What a great story Queen Mary and modern dance never knew she liked it.
Thank you for sharing it with us gdella really great. :)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/75858_120864.jpg)
Maybe its posted before but its still a beaty.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Cunarder on April 28, 2006, 11:36:41 AM
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/j138/Cunarder/qmpics2.jpg)

Thank you grandduchessella and Royal Netherlands...I love the pics and this hopefully never-ending thread!

Here's 3 views of HM's expressions from newsreel clips.  The stern glance, the reflective pause, and finally a gracious smile.  

(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/Cunarder/qmpics1.jpg)

The Queen mounts the steps to the platform of a ship launch, probably for the christening of her namesake liner in Scotland.  A bit self-conscious of the cameras, but she manages a shy smile before resuming the royal expression.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Prince_Lieven on April 28, 2006, 11:44:35 AM
There's a wonderful picture in Theo Aronson's 'Royal Family' which shows George V and QM, both smiling very informally, chatting to a military man. It's a lovely picture, I wish I could post it.  :-[
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 28, 2006, 01:21:36 PM
Love the pictures Cunarder really fantastic I also hope the thread never ends but whe keep on working on that dont whe?
Prince Lieven maybe some one ells got that picture and can post it?
Will see ;)

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Cunarder on April 28, 2006, 01:49:06 PM
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/Cunarder/qmpics3.jpg)

Thank you, royal netherlands...I may be late for work because I can't tear myself away!  ;D  Sorry my first picture on this thread wasn't sized properly.    Here's a few more newsreel shots...

(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/Cunarder/qmpics4.jpg)

Everyone's here for the cameras except Prince George, and of course Prince John.   Is that Toria next to Bertie?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on April 28, 2006, 05:48:55 PM
Yes, it is Toria. I think that's the Duke of Connaught on the far left behind QM as well.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Cunarder on April 29, 2006, 02:46:46 AM
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/Cunarder/qmpics7.jpg)

Three generations of Sovereigns.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 29, 2006, 03:20:53 AM
Excellent pictures!!!! :) May really is one of my favourites, she was every inch a Queen and knew it!! So smart and majestic, love her.

:):)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 29, 2006, 02:48:33 PM
Hahahah Cunarder where you on time at work? ;)
Wooh love the pictures you send esspsecially the one with Alexandra, in this picture I really think Toria is looking like her mother dont know why? :-/
Do you have more of Alexandra   cant get enough of those pictures. ;D

RN

( And of Mary those are wonderfull to Cunarder)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Cunarder on April 29, 2006, 04:17:52 PM
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/Cunarder/qmpics13.jpg)

Thank you, Eddieboy and RN...and yes, I made it to work yesterday with a few minutes to spare!  ::)
Above, Alexandra, Mary, and guests wait patiently during a shooting party at Sandringham.

(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/Cunarder/qmpics11.jpg)

A photo of the King, and his mother, who's perhaps thinking of a royal command
to the threatening skies "don't you dare."

(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/Cunarder/qmpics12.jpg)

I imagine HM's coat is of brilliant yellow/gold silk.  I would love to have seen this pic in color.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Leuchtenberg on April 30, 2006, 12:15:58 AM
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NYT June 1914 Re: QM and modern dance



 Queen Mary, flanked by King George and Grand Duchess Anastasia

Would that be Anastasia Michailovna  (Mecklenberg-Schwerin)?    I know it's not Anastasia Nikolaevna.  
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 30, 2006, 08:09:13 AM
Thank you agian Cunarder for the great pictures!!!! :)glad you were on time at work. ;D

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on April 30, 2006, 11:35:51 AM
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NYT June 1914 Re: QM and modern dance



 Queen Mary, flanked by King George and Grand Duchess Anastasia

Would that be Anastasia Michailovna  (Mecklenberg-Schwerin)?    I know it's not Anastasia Nikolaevna.  

Yes, it was, apparently visiting her brother Michael.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on May 07, 2006, 04:08:16 AM
I've been reading JPH's bio on QM, its fantastic!! Lady Geraldine Somerset sounds like a laugh!! What a spiteful lady! Apparently May put her in her place at one point after Lady Geraldine was running down her parents. Does any one have any more information on her??

Many thanks :)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 07, 2006, 08:51:15 AM
Isn't she spiteful? I wish that her diaries were available in book form. I only ever read excerpts from them in bios.

She was lady-in-waiting (?) to the old Duchess of Cambridge and was devoted to both her and her son George. For whatever reason, she just hated Mary Adelaide and that spilled over to QM. She never passed up an opportunity to make some horrible comment (almost always untrue) about them--such as Missy being 'sacrified' to Romania so that the way would be clear for QM to marry George. Still, the entries are enormously fun to read.  :) About the only positive thing she said about Princess May was how happy & lovely she looked on her wedding day--since it came from GS, I guess we can take that as true!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on May 07, 2006, 01:18:50 PM
Quote
Isn't she spiteful? I wish that her diaries were available in book form. I only ever read excerpts from them in bios.

 About the only positive thing she said about Princess May was how happy & lovely she looked on her wedding day--since it came from GS, I guess we can take that as true!

lol! that must be true then if it came from her. I like the way JPH writes when he says Lady Geraldine had to be content with making spiteful remarks in her diary such as "May arrived (in a hideos bonnet)"!! to funny.


Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on May 10, 2006, 01:35:19 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/04912v.jpg)
Her majesty looking stuning and fashionable.
Question Maud and Mary were friends did Mary visited Maud in Norway?
Or did the do things together or werent the that quint of friends?

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: boffer on May 14, 2006, 04:00:06 PM
Such a sad image.

The Coffin of HM Queen Mary makes its from Malborourgh House to Westminster Hall to lie in state.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/76bd9954.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: B5218 on May 20, 2006, 07:11:51 AM
So many photographs exist of Queen Mary as a young woman.   I have never seen a photograph of her at the coronation of her father-in-law Edward VII.  Are there any?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: boffer on May 20, 2006, 07:19:09 AM
This set of photographs shows the then HRH Princess of Wales, in the dress and jewels worn for Edward VII coronation, however i dont think the coronation itself was ever actually photographed.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/9d7bb830.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/4acf2dd9.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/50f0f942.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/eb6fd613.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/QueenMary-BoucheronHoneySuckleTiara.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on May 21, 2006, 05:57:21 AM
Wonderful pics, thank you. As always, so regal. Does that tiara survive? Although it's rather big it has a certain charm to it IMO. I don't think i've seen many pics of May in later life wearing it?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: boffer on May 21, 2006, 06:23:25 AM
I dont think it have been seen since, it was worn in these pictures. It has been suggested that it was dismantaled and the stones were used in the creation if the Delhi Durbar Tiara, and it is know that Mary very oftened broke up pieces to make new more fashionable ones.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/Jewels-QueenMaryBoucheronTiara1902.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Michael_II on May 28, 2006, 11:27:19 AM
I have a question:  After the death of King George V was Queen Mary allowed to use the Imperial "I" after her name?  I know the entire family lost that right on 22 June 1948 when the title of Emperor/Empress of India was discontinued. :'(
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 28, 2006, 02:09:16 PM
Did she ever use it or was it reserved for the reigning monarch? I've seen V.R.I. but in a letter from Buckingham Palace in 1914, Queen Mary just signs it 'Mary R'.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: boffer on May 28, 2006, 02:21:35 PM
Only soverigns were able to sign 'R.I', and consorts only ever signed 'R'.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Michael_II on May 28, 2006, 07:05:59 PM
Thank you for clearing that up. :)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 02, 2006, 09:51:16 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/_41692764_queen.jpg)
The lovely queen with her granddaughter ''Lilibet'' in 1930
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 02, 2006, 10:22:20 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/george5b.jpg)
A beatifull portrait of the King and Queen in 1935 year of the jubilee.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: boffer on June 02, 2006, 11:05:24 AM
That is a rather off arrangment of jewellery, and although this isnt the correct thread to discuss it i dont think i have ever seen Queen Mary wear necklaces in that fashion, nor i dont think has she ever worn just the center and on side of Queen Victoria's stomacher. Is there a clearer picture?

I must say over the years you can tell that George V has settled into his crown, in his early years one always got the impression that it was very uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: boffer on June 03, 2006, 02:46:15 PM
Does anyone know why Queen Mary's crown was not on top of her coffin for her funeral?
Also was it a state funeral or private one? therefore did she lie in state in westminster hall?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 03, 2006, 03:52:26 PM
 This pictures come from my magazine on HM King George V death in 1936.
I wrote down the discritions beneath the pictures.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0378.jpg)
The two bereaved Queens pass by.
Above is a close up view of Queen mary and her sister in-law Queen Maud of Norway,seated in the magnificent glass coach which was drawn by two bay horses, in the procession from Westminster hall.
Seated opposte thier Majesties were the princess Royal and the Duchess of York.
This daily Sketch photograph was taken at Marlborough Gate. On the window near Queen Maud is reflected one of the escorts of Life quards.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0384.jpg)
''That sorrowing face beneath the black veil.'' The queen with bowed head driving in the procession at Windsor.
beside her sits her sister in-law, Queen Maud of Norway.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0385.jpg)
Lord Lascelles and his brother, the Hon. gerald Lascelles , in thier coach in the procession.

beatifull pictures

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 08, 2006, 11:42:54 AM
Hello :)

I read a quote by Queen Mary said at the time of the abdication apparently and it was "Really, we might as well be in Romania!" What did she mean by that I wonder? Something to do with King Carol perhaps? Any thoughts?

Thank you :)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on June 08, 2006, 03:04:53 PM
Yes, I think she meant the abdication of Carol and the general upheaval surrounding the throne at this period. Britain had for a very long time been extremely stable--The King/Queen is dead, Long live the King/Queen--whereas Roumania, and the Balkans in general, were relatively new and unstable.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 08, 2006, 03:38:21 PM
Thank you GD Ella, that makes sense. I would love to have chatted to the Queen Mother about her recollections of Queen Mary. Would have been so interesting.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Morecambrian on June 09, 2006, 08:27:39 AM
Looking at the catalogues for the Princess Margaret sale it comes across how THOUGHTFUL AND PRACTICAL a grandmother QM was.....We all know she provided her daughters in law (and daughter of course) with historic parures of jewels etc,fitting to their position in life but this was caried on to he grandchildren.Birthdays and Christmas meant another silver piece to make up a complete tea service.A display cabinet was given a young age to house treasures.ER II and Margaret recieved historic fans at the age of 6 for instance...Later in life,when needed there was a tiara for a historic event (Queen Juliana's enthronement when 18 year old Margaret was official representative)....and there was the splendid pearl necklace and string of diamonds that individually were grand enough for any occasion throughout Margaret's life.All in all Mary can be seen as a loving,sensible and generous grandparent.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 09, 2006, 01:40:13 PM
You are so right about that  Morecambrian. :)
I bed Queen Mary was a verry generous and lovly grandparent and I think she also had some good humor.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/ImageHandlerServletjjj.jpg)
Adorable picture from Polfoto

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 18, 2006, 12:58:31 PM
Wenn I was looking in my collection of bookes of the Dutch Royal Family, I saw this picture taken at Victoria stadion.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0474.jpg)
Its Queen Wilhelmina in the summer of 1923 on vacation in England, she is on her way to Rydall Hall.
Hm Queen Mary and King George V greeting her and wayve her goodbye.
I never saw a picture before of Queen Wilhelmina and the Royal couple before the war, only wenn HM was in excile I saw a few pictures of Queen mary and her.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 20, 2006, 07:40:53 AM
 (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/81392_128296.jpg)
Photograph of Prince George, Duke of York (later Prince of Wales, and then King George V) and the Duchess of York, (later Queen Mary) with their eldest son, Edward (King Edward VIII) in the year 1894.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on July 09, 2006, 12:59:52 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img057.jpg)
HRH Princess Alice ( don't know who the other woman is) and the King and Queen saying goodbye to the Dutch Royal familie. I found it a funny picture but I really dont know why?? ;D
Its looks if they have fune, they look so relaxed.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on July 09, 2006, 01:03:56 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img056.jpg)
From the same occasion in 1923, this one is cleared than the one I send before.
You can see George's face int he window of the train. ; :)

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Guinastasia on July 09, 2006, 07:22:58 PM
My favorite story about May was when she was found, dressed to the nines as usual, kneeling in the dirt and making mudpies with the future Queen Elizabeth II!!!  What a sight THAT must've been!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 14, 2006, 01:09:25 PM
A photo of Queen Marys last Daimler, a beautiful car in the museum at Sandringham.

Queen Mary ordered this car in 1947. Her favourite colour was green and used for the paintwork as she intended to use it on private occasions and wished to avoid the attention which would attend a vehicle in traditional Royal livery. For this reason Queen Mary referred to this car as "the shopping Daimler".

Apparently the distance between the step and the underside of the door cantrail as well as the overall internal headroom was carefully measured to make allowances for the fact that by this point Queen Mary experienced some difficulty in bending her neck. Apparently she was highlydelighted with the new car and used it almost everyday until her death on the 24th March 1953.


(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8343/p8140042xn5.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: boffer on August 15, 2006, 03:23:47 PM
Her was one of her shopping trips which she used this car:
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/QueenMary-AntiqueShopping.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 23, 2006, 06:23:13 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img216.jpg)
Just for her marriage to George, in the conservatory at White Lodge.(Richmond)
Which was her home during some of the most important years of her life.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 23, 2006, 06:37:19 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img219.jpg)
The Coronation of King George V and Queen Mary in June 1911.
 (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img220-1.jpg)
A close-up of the Royal Guests at the Coronation does somebody can identify them.
I think the third one is the Duchess of Albany and Princess Alice at the fifth I beliece the Wales Childeren are in the front seat.
And next to them Toria are Louise? the others I cant indentify.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img220-1.jpg
RN
 
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: B5218 on August 23, 2006, 10:38:31 AM
I have never seen photos of the coronation of George V.  Thanks for posting them.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on August 23, 2006, 12:37:36 PM
In the front row:

Pss Mary, Princes Henry & George, Pss Louise (Fife), Princesses Helena, Louise (Argyll) and Beatrice

2nd row:

Duchess of Coburg (in shadow), Duchesses of Connaught and Albany, ?, Princess Alice (Athlone), ?, Princesses Alexandra and Maud Fife (in shadow)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: TampaBay on August 23, 2006, 08:07:35 PM
GD Ella,

Why is GD Marie of Coburg always the easiest to pick out in a group photograph?  LOL!  LOL!

TampaBay

Note for Newbies:

If you understand no explanation is necessary;  If you don not understand no explanation will do!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Keith on August 25, 2006, 06:25:17 AM
It's been a whie since I've read my books on Queen Mary. How popular was she during her years as POW and then Queen? The reason I'm asking is, if she had been born and bred a German princess, would that have made any differnce to the Windsors keeping their throne, while many others topled.

How real was the threat of Republicanism to the monarchy during 1917/18? Does anyone know what the papers of the time had to say about the name change, and did the people really buy into it, or was it more because of the way George V and Queen Mary handled themselves.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on August 25, 2006, 11:06:07 AM
She was very popular as Queen. It's hard to gauge as Pss of Wales,she certainly wasn't unpopular, but was in the shadow of her enormously well-loved mother-in-law, Queen Alexandra.

There were certainly demonstrations and a flood of very angry letters denouncing the royal family's heritage and agitating for a Republic. I'm not expert enough to gauge the actual threat. Obviously, GV took it seriously enough that a man so devoted to tradition and the British monarchy changed the name of the house and also was the main contributor to the rescinding of an offer of asylum to a dearly-loved cousin. So looking back, it might not seemed there was much of a threat, but at the time it was obviously greatly feared.

Once the War ended, though, GV and QM emerged (much like the King and Queen of Belgium) with the enormous devotion of their people for their actions and conduct during the long years of war and deprivation--the King himself being seriously injured while visiting troops and left in pain the remainder of his life--as witness by the huge outpourings of affection and good-will, directed not just at the institution but at the monarch specifically, during his serious illness of 1928-29, the Jubilee and then his last illness and funeral.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Keith on August 25, 2006, 02:13:32 PM
Thanks for your reply gdella. I was just curious if the threat was real enough if she had been German born if things might have been different. It was used against Alexandra of Russia and Sophie of Greece, even thought both were very pro-english and their adopted countries. Obviously, Alexandra had other problems that made her unpopular also.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on August 25, 2006, 02:19:43 PM
She apparently did receive some nasty comments about her heritage, despite the fact that she was born to a British princess, in England, and raised in that country. Her father being German was enough for some people. Apparently she received a letter which accused her of being German and it made her pale. I imagine it would've been pretty bad if she'd actually been born a German princess.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Keith on August 25, 2006, 02:31:40 PM
I thought it probably would have been worse if she had been German born, giving the anti-Germany hysteria going on at the time.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: TampaBay on August 28, 2006, 05:28:15 AM
She apparently did receive some nasty comments about her heritage, despite the fact that she was born to a British princess, in England, and raised in that country. Her father being German was enough for some people. Apparently she received a letter which accused her of being German and it made her pale. I imagine it would've been pretty bad if she'd actually been born a German princess.

Was not old Diamond Drawers born at Kensington Palace?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 29, 2006, 04:39:39 AM
Hi guys, I just got back from London and managed to get a pic of the plaque unveiled in 1967 for the centenary of Queen Mary's birth, to which the Duke and Duchess of Windsor were invited.

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/princelieven/The%20Windsors/CameraPics163.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on August 29, 2006, 08:55:21 AM
Welcome back, Prince L.  :) Hope you had a good trip.

I made sure I visited that as well when I was in London for my honeymoon. I even posted the photo once but, of course, it was in one of those long-gone threads.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 29, 2006, 09:45:27 AM
Thanks, GDE. I had a lovely time.  :)

Here's a pic of Marlborough House I took:
http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/princelieven/England%20Pictures/?action=view&current=CameraPics162.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1 (http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/princelieven/England%20Pictures/?action=view&current=CameraPics162.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 29, 2006, 11:00:26 AM
Thank you for posting that pic Prince, I took a couple of photos of it a few months back, it's lovely & a brilliant likeness. I think Marlborough House is a beauitful building. Imagine Queen Mary living thier all by herself (not including the servants!!) I read that when she was evacuated to Badminton House 55 servants accompanied her!!! Where would they all have been lodged I wonder???
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 29, 2006, 11:07:25 AM
I'm sure the Duke and Duchess of Beaufort were obliged to make room for them somehow.  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on August 29, 2006, 04:46:01 PM
I think the Beaufort servants were forced into lesser accomodations.

Mary Beaufort was an awfully good niece to QM and was a particular favorite of GV.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 31, 2006, 11:09:37 AM
 Queen Mary in all her glory whit some magnificent jewels, a great Queen.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/queenmaryjewelscorrectie.jpg)

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 31, 2006, 12:08:51 PM
I don't know if this anecdote has been told before - if it has I apologise. A few days before Mary died, she was being examined by her doctor. When  he was finished, he turned round to leave. A warning voice said 'I'm not dead yet!' He then bowed before leaving.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 31, 2006, 03:13:43 PM
Fantastic anecdote!!!! never heared it before thank you fore sharing.
I think Mary had quit some humour. :D

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: imperial angel on September 13, 2006, 03:23:36 PM
She was a great very, dutiful Queen consort. She sort of instilled the modern ideas about duty into the British royal family, as it were. Her beauty was said to be more in her colouring than anything else. And having seen a portrait of her in a book, I agree. I think it was her coranation portrait, at the time of her husband's coronation. She was still fairly young then. She was rather emotionaless in private, and as a mother. However, she knew her duty in public and performed it. She had a good heart.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on September 17, 2006, 11:33:01 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/MaryTeck.jpg)
Found this one on Ebay, isn't she a beaty.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Keith on September 17, 2006, 03:07:47 PM
I saw that on ebay also. It really is one of the best pictures I've seen of her younger.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: imperial angel on September 18, 2006, 12:36:01 PM
Yes, she was stunning when she was younger. She looks so prim in many photos taken later, that you forget what a beauty she really was. She was quite pleasant looking all her life, actually.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on September 29, 2006, 10:10:06 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/82310_129225.jpg)
Queen Mary and King George V with four of their childeren: Albert Duke of York (King George VI),Prince Edward of Wales (King Edward VIII),Prince Henry of Cloucester, and their only daughter Princess Mary The Princess Royal in the early twinties.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/82363_129278.jpg)
The Duke of Windsor with his Mother, Queen Mary in the year 1952.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/82362_129277.jpg)
The Duke of Windsor,  and his younger sister, Princess Mary, the Princess Royal on their arrival in Southampton on the "Queen Elizabeth". The Princess had curtailed her tour of the West Indies and the Duke had brought forward a visit to London because of the illness of Queen Mary, their mother. Queen Mary died in March 1953. 
 
In the last picture, Princess Mary resembles her niece Queen Elizabeth II don''t you think?
Was their still a good relation between the Duke of Windsor and his Mother Queen Mary and his sister The Princess Royal?

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on October 10, 2006, 11:01:33 AM
At the GREM are some nice picture of HM Queen Mary (Including one of Queen Mary at the balcony of BP with the wedding of Duke of York and Alexandra is their to WOOOh!!!!) ;D.http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/
 Because Queen Mary became The Most Glittering Queen of the 20th Century,(and desirves it) here are a few in honour to this magnificent Queen.
Hope you like the pictures.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/QM1.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/QMJewels2.jpg)
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/QM1.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/QMJewels2.jpg

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: imperial angel on October 10, 2006, 12:03:36 PM
Well, she may not have been the most glittering Queen, but she certainly was the role model for those who were consorts or who are. She was dutiful, aware of her public image, and devoted to the monarchy at the expense of herself. She was also very proper, and had manners. She never was attached to the faintest hint of scandal. She was a great role model for a consort!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 10, 2006, 02:39:53 PM
She was dutiful, aware of her public image, and devoted to the monarchy at the expense of herself. She was also very proper, and had manners. She was a great role model for a consort!

I agree!! :) Though I think she was very glittering, all those jewels she carried off beautifully!! :)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: imperial angel on October 12, 2006, 11:20:21 AM
She did like jewels, and she did look lovely in them. She also liked Antiques as well.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Taren on October 12, 2006, 12:29:26 PM
She did like jewels, and she did look lovely in them. She also liked Antiques as well.

Yeah -other peoples' antiques!  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: ashdean on October 13, 2006, 09:03:05 AM
I think those stories are very,very exaggerated....just like the stories she made off with the Dowager Empresses jewels !!!!!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: imperial angel on October 13, 2006, 09:32:11 AM
It seems they well might have been exaggerated stories. ;) But they are legend, are they not?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: boffer on October 23, 2006, 03:50:26 PM
I stumbled across this picture and thought it utterly charming:

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/margaretrose-liebeimschatten012.jpg)
"a kiss from grannie"
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 24, 2006, 06:22:44 AM
Lovely photo! :) Did Princess Margaret ever comment much on her grandmother? Be interested to know what her thoughts were..
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on November 16, 2006, 10:48:28 AM
Great picture of Margaret and her ''Grannie''
It reminds me of a picture posted before, of King George V saying goodbye to his mother with a kiss. :)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/69097_115176.jpg)
Queen Mary at the Royal Free Hospital.
Good old socialising ''May'' :D

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Prince_Lieven on November 16, 2006, 02:54:25 PM
Princess Margaret told Theo Aronson that at first she thought Queen Mary had 'no interest in children and made no effort with them', but amended her opinion when she grew up and got to know her grandmother better.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: boffer on November 16, 2006, 03:35:35 PM
From "The last Real Princess - Noel Botham"

"She told one luncheon guest that her grandmother was 'absolutely terrifying She didnt really like children and made no effort with them. Queen Mary was one of those women who prefer the male company. She would put herself out tremendously for men and could be utterly charming.'"
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on November 16, 2006, 07:55:22 PM
In that last picture of Queen Mary, I think the similarity, particularly the nose, mouth and jaw, of that of our current Queen is most striking. Queen Mary seems to have had dominant genes, as many royal have facial similarities to her.

R.I.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on December 03, 2006, 12:16:09 AM
If anyone has about $5000, there's one of Queen Mary's dresses up for auction on ebay right now--an interesting tidbit is underline by me from the description:

H.R.H. Queen Mary's court or formal gown, early 1930s, labelled `J Blancquaert & Co, Court Dressmakers & Ladies Tailors, 38, 39, 40 South Molton St W.' of cloth of silver, graduating to gold at the hem, overlaid with ivory chiffon and covered in a shimmer of crystal bugle beads, seed `pearls' and diamanté, with overall repeat of large iris blooms with two, three and four tassel motifs falling from the waist to the hem, the bodice with square neckline, short sleeves trimmed with crystal fringes, the front discreetly inset with pocket to front seam on right side, the rear skirt with central godet of striped shimmering bugles and pastes to the trained, curved hem, pleated bands of chiffon inset to the side hems, bust 96cm, 38in The dress was acquired by the vendor from the Theatrical Ladies' Guild (now the Theatrical Guild) in April 1981. It had formerly been in the possession of Princess Alice of Athlone, a patron of the Guild, who died in January 1981, and was presented to it by her daughter Lady May Abel Smith. The vendor was told by Evelyn Laye, the actress, that Queen Mary requested that her grand, formal dresses should be made with a pocket in the lining (as this example has) to hold biscuits to assuage her hunger on state occasions. Queen Mary was not a follower of fashion, preferring instead to adapt the currently fashionable fabrics to her own more Edwardian influenced stately form of dress.
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Post by: royal_netherlands on December 03, 2006, 08:04:16 AM
Well I took a look at ebay and it's a stunning dress really, to bad I can not effort it. :D
Isn’t  their some sort of Royal archive in England, how buys clothes and other belongings of British Royals.
I remember seeing a program at the BBC about this, if there is something on a auction the try to buy it maybe their trying to get the dress fore the collection to.  ;)

RN
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Post by: boffer on December 03, 2006, 11:51:39 AM
The Royal collection occassionally re-purchases clothes so that they can be stored and displayed at the Royal Ceremonial Dress Collection at Kensington Palace; however they only purchase dresses that are seen of great historical importance or would fit perfectly into a new exhibition that they are planning, like was seen on BBC's "Tales from the Palaces" when they purchased a belt that was one to commemerate the return to health of George III; as this would fit perfectly into the re-opening of Kew.
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Post by: royal_netherlands on December 03, 2006, 03:17:47 PM
Yes that was the one boffer "Tales from the Palaces" I saw that one with the purchased the belt, that was the program I was referring to.
Off course it was the Royal collection, yes their right the dress (item) must be of a great historical importance or fore a fitting exhibition.
The can not just buy everything it will cost them tones of money, but in same episode of ''Tales from the Palaces" the are also trying to buy clothes from the Duke of Windsor if I remember correctly.

Thank you

RN
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Post by: boffer on December 03, 2006, 03:38:39 PM
Yes i remember that there was the Duke of Windsor's saffari outfit but i am not overly certain that they tried to buy it?

It was either that they tried to purchase it and the bidding went too high (as did the belt that they later purchased) or that the outfit simply featured in the same sale.
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Post by: royal_netherlands on December 03, 2006, 03:49:48 PM
Yes it was his safari outfit I thought the where trying to buy it  but it could also be the just mentioned it, because it was in the same sale.
Don't know really, but now I think about it the belt was pretty expensive so I can't imagine the would buy the safari outfit and the belt at the same time.
 
RN
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Post by: Robert_Hall on January 03, 2007, 07:41:49 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/Alex-28.jpg)
 An amusing, tonque-in-cheek performance. For a good cause. Spot on.
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Post by: emeraldeyes on January 03, 2007, 09:42:46 AM
Oh Robert how I envy you, it must have been great fun!  Details please! 
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Post by: emeraldeyes on January 03, 2007, 09:45:38 AM
bust 96cm.

Ahem, is it just me or is that positively immense?
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Post by: Robert_Hall on January 03, 2007, 09:53:09 AM
Well, 96cm is 3.15 feet...
The afternoon with QM was fun. HM comes out, in full Queen Mary style, tells the story of her life while "appraisng" various antiques from the audience [planted beforehand]. Of course none of the items return to their "owners".
  The actor who played her had her down just  as we would imagine her. Regal, imposing, charming and a klepto.
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Post by: emeraldeyes on January 03, 2007, 08:01:24 PM
LOL...sounds like it was a hoot.  Klepto indeed.

It sounds like something that might turn up at a Fringe Festival.  O/T but this past summer we saw an amazing one-woman show - "The Great Love of Queen Victoria" that was the highlight of the fest for us. 
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Post by: Robert_Hall on January 03, 2007, 08:58:27 PM
I think this started as a fringe thing....QM at the Fringe, imagine it!
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 14, 2007, 11:07:40 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/1051017.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Grace on February 16, 2007, 05:50:54 AM
That is a wonderful photo of May.  :)

This is a bit trivial, but I've often wondered "what if" Eddy had died six weeks after his and May's wedding instead of six weeks before?  What would have happened to May then?  Obviously, being a widow would have put her out of contention as a wife for George and probably for any type of "grand" marriage, I would have thought.  We would have been cheated of a great queen consort also.  Would she have been obliged to remain a single woman for the rest of her life or would she have made a minor but respectable marriage some time later?  Whatever happened, it would have changed the course of her life forever - far more than than it did even when Eddy, as her fiance, died before their marriage took place.  ???
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Post by: basilforever on February 16, 2007, 06:02:44 AM
If May had married Eddy and the marriage was consummated and Eddy died 6 weeks later, it would have been possible that May was pregnant and then an heir to the throne would have been born. That is another "what if".  I think marrying George would have been out of the question, but I think she could have made another good marriage, but not to be a Queen.

Here is a portrait of Her Majesty at her coronation: and also her Crown

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/ROYALTY%20and%20more/th_193514c.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/ROYALTY%20and%20more/193514c.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/ROYALTY%20and%20more/th_191102a.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/ROYALTY%20and%20more/191102a.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/ROYALTY%20and%20more/th_191102c.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/ROYALTY%20and%20more/191102c.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/ROYALTY%20and%20more/th_191102.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/ROYALTY%20and%20more/191102.jpg)
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Post by: Eddie_uk on February 16, 2007, 06:47:28 AM
Interesting question Grace!!! I wonder what Mays thoughts on remarriage where? It certainly would of robbed us of a wonderful Queen and put a dent in the Royal Collection!!!
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 16, 2007, 11:29:16 AM
Wasn't the ban on marrying a brother/sister-in-law still in existance then? I know QV had tossed around the idea of Beatrice marrying her widowed brother-in-law, Louis, but it wouldn't have been allowed under the law.
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Post by: imperial angel on February 16, 2007, 01:18:28 PM
Hard to say. I think that Mary would have most likely married someone else. But, then that might have depended on what status she got as a widow, and if she was satisfied with that, she might not have looked elsewhere. I think she was dutiful and would have done what that demanded, but it's hard not imagine her not being Queen consort of England. Had she not been, I think the emphasis on duty the Windsors have today might not have been as strong.
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Post by: Keith on February 16, 2007, 05:48:02 PM
Didn't QV look down on widows remarrying? So, remarriage may not have been an option during her lifetime. It probably would have depended on whether or not she was pregnant. If so, I can't see any remarriage for her.  I think she would have seen her duty as raising the best possible King or Queen.

Even if she hand't been pregnant, I don't know that she would have had that many possible suitors. I don't recall reading that many were knocking at her door prior to her engagement to Eddy.  For that time she was on her way to being an old maid.
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Post by: imperial angel on February 21, 2007, 01:17:34 PM
Well, if she had been a widow she might have been. Before that, she would most likely have found someone to marry, even though her rather reserved, serious personality at times and her father's morgantic blood might have made her seem not so desirable as some other princesses. But, she was pretty in youth and was even described as voluptuous by someone after she was married to the future George V so maybe the judgments we make now aren't what they would have thought then.The same person said she was dull, not really true, although reserved. I agree though she didn't have that many suitors.
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Post by: Alexander1917 on March 24, 2007, 08:17:55 AM
Today is the 54th anniversary of the death of HM Queen Mary, Queen Consort of HM KIng Georg V
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Post by: boffer on March 24, 2007, 02:37:48 PM
I wonder can anyone remember if there was any kind of rememberance to mark the 50th anniversary of her death? All I can recall was the Golden Jubilee of 2002 and a service in Westminster abbey in 1953 to commemerate the 50th anniversary of the coronation.
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Post by: Duke of New Jersey on March 27, 2007, 06:36:31 PM
If Eddy and/or George didn't come aroudn maybe she would have married Albrecht, Duke of Württemberg (son of William II Württemberg) or another German prince/duke?  He married an Austrian Archduchess in January 1893 she married George in July.  One never knows...

-Duke of NJ
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Post by: grandduchessella on March 27, 2007, 07:22:42 PM
Most continental royals wouldn't have considered her because of her morganatic blood. England was one of the few places she could have made such a great match.
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Post by: emeraldeyes on March 27, 2007, 08:18:28 PM
I see the widowed May marrying again, but not until later in life; probably to a widower duke or earl with 9 children and a very large collection of ancestral jewels.  :o
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Post by: basilforever on March 28, 2007, 09:13:42 AM
Most continental royals wouldn't have considered her because of her morganatic blood. England was one of the few places she could have made such a great match.

Bizzare considering now they marry almost no one but commoners, and only rarely do some rare people like me express any disappointment about it. Thank God that May could have made the greatest of marital matches in Britain, because she was so right for the job. :)
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Post by: Laura_ on April 17, 2007, 10:53:07 AM
i like this picture very much  :)

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c399/Laurra_/Mary_of_Teck_4.jpg)

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Post by: basilforever on April 17, 2007, 11:13:25 AM
So do I, I love the Surrey Tiara. It would make a good bridal tiara for the next Royal Bride, if her family doesn't have one of it's own. Did Queen Mary wear it at her wedding?
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Post by: Tdora1 on April 17, 2007, 01:10:39 PM
QM reportedly absolutely hated wearing mourning - yet it suited her so well, as that pic shows IMO. Now if she'd only gotten rid of the Alexandra faux-fringe (even QA doesn't flatter from it, let alone those who copied the trend) and then be attired in elegant black with a bit less than usual bling (but some of her best pieces...)and her beautiful golden hair swept in a proper Edwardian up-style. Oh what I would give to see that.  8)  Never mind...
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 17, 2007, 01:46:56 PM
I think the fringe style suited QA at least very well. She found it and stuck with it and she never looked bad.
I also think QM's ultra jewelled look was just wonderful - when you have THAT many pieces - it would be very hard to pick just a few things. I'd like to see a modern royal do this look - but I don't think any of them would pull it off as well.
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Post by: grandduchessella on April 17, 2007, 01:56:28 PM
Empress Frederick wrote that the look was much taken up by many princesses, including her own daughters, but the fringe really only suited 'Aunt Alix'.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on April 17, 2007, 02:41:48 PM
I read that she had to go to the Archbishop of Canterbury before hand so he would know to use extra annointing oil during their coronation! 

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Grace on April 17, 2007, 04:45:30 PM
Why did she need the extra annointing oil, Duke?
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Post by: Duke of New Jersey on April 17, 2007, 04:46:20 PM
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I read that she had to go to the Archbishop of Canterbury before hand so he would know to use extra annointing oil during their coronation! 

-Duke of NJ

I was talking about Alexandra there.

-Duke of NJ
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Post by: Duke of New Jersey on April 17, 2007, 04:48:07 PM
Because her hair/toupee was so thick due to the fringe style. 

-Duke of NJ
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Post by: Duke of New Jersey on April 17, 2007, 04:49:09 PM
Fringe is what you call that sort of curly/poodle hair, isn't it??

-Duke of NJ
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Post by: Tdora1 on April 17, 2007, 05:27:06 PM
Princess Marie Louise wrote in her 'Memories of Six Reigns' (1952) that in 1901 the coronation anointing oil poured out the crown and "ran down Alexandra's dear little nose." Crivvens, in front of the entire Westminster Abbey!? At least the peers and their ladies had flasks of brandy about their robes to fortify themselves against such personal annoyances. And EII's ladies in waiting for Her Coronation were very frank about how such refreshments were essential to strengthen them against the excesses of their day! I'd have stowed me sarnies under the tiara at the least - not to mention a map to the shortcut to the lavs.
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Post by: Duke of New Jersey on April 17, 2007, 05:33:33 PM
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not to mention a map to the shortcut to the lavs

There was actually quite a shortage of bathrooms at the 1902 coronation.  I read in "Edward and Alexandra' that the peeresses had to literally fight their way to the bathrooms and one of them had quite a tumble, it sounded pretty funny!

-Duke of NJ
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Post by: basilforever on April 18, 2007, 02:43:18 AM
Maybe it is a bit usual to have a line of oil run down the forehead, not having seen a coronation up close I don't know about that. Otherwise, how embarrassing for Alexandra.
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Post by: Duke of New Jersey on April 18, 2007, 10:23:57 AM
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Maybe it is a bit usual to have a line of oil run down the forehead, not having seen a coronation up close I don't know about that. Otherwise, how embarrassing for Alexandra.

Actually the Duchess of Marlborough (Vanderbilt) said that Alexandra did not flinch at all when the oil ran down her nose.  She just looked at Vanderbilt and sort of asked (without saying anything) "is it bad." 

-Duke of NJ
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Post by: Grace on April 19, 2007, 08:13:56 AM
This is really nice!  I just found it on eBay.  I haven't seen this picture of May before and think it is superb.  I love to see pictures of her more simply dressed.  :D.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/May.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 19, 2007, 08:23:43 AM
Which thing that she is wearing is the gift of the Mary's of the Empire?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: boffer on April 20, 2007, 11:22:08 AM


The gift from the "Mary's of the Empire" is the set of garter insignia that was presented to Queen Mary upon her appoointment as a Lady of the Garter.

Field Page 183-84 (in reference photograph (not the one below although that is from the same sitting)):

(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o4/boffer1990/QueenMary-1935-standing.jpg)

"Queen Mary photographed for George V's Silver Jubilee. To commemorate her Coronation in 1911, the 'Mary's of the Empire' - those bearing the name she chose as Queen (she was christened Victoria Mary Augusta Louise Olga Pauline Claudine Agnes) - had banded together to present her with the complete set of Garter insignia. On her left arm is the diamond-encrusted ble velvet Garter, on her breast the diamond-set Star, and on her hip the Lesser George, its cameo of St George and the dragon carved in sardonyx and set with diamonds and rubies".



Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 21, 2007, 06:09:53 AM
I wonder which of the Royals today have the complete set of Garter Insignia? And would anything like this happen again for a Royal Lady- all the ladies of Britain (not the empire) with the same name as her give her such an impressive gift?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on April 21, 2007, 05:32:04 PM
I very much doubt that the "Camilla's of the United Kingdom" will present anyting to Camilla when she becomes consort.  She might get flowers and chocolate but, jewels, unlikely.

-Duke of NJ
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Post by: Tdora1 on April 21, 2007, 06:49:27 PM
D of New Jersey:

Why do you suppose this?  ???
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on April 21, 2007, 08:36:57 PM
Camilla is not a very common name (not as common as Mary was in 1911) and I really doubt that the Camilla's would give such a gift, such a gift would be extremely expensive today.  It would be great if something like this happens, but it probably won't.

(If my name was Camilla, which it isn't, I would give her something.)

-Duke of NJ


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Post by: grandduchessella on April 21, 2007, 08:44:21 PM
Did the Elizabeths of the Empire give anything to Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother in 1937?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 22, 2007, 05:13:34 AM
If you don't know GDE, who would?  ;) Does anyone know who has a complete set of Garter Insignia today? Does anyone other than the Queen have it?

I asked the questions about the name giving custom, because it seems to me to be a very old fashioned thing to do, it is a good thing, I like it a lot. I wasn't thinking of Camilla especially, but I wonder if any royal lady, say William's bride, would everyone in the UK with the same name buy her such a present? And are such presents only for coronations, or could they be for weddings too?  ??? And the present doesn't have to be as big as it was for May, it could just be one piece of jewellery.
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Post by: TampaBay on April 22, 2007, 07:30:09 AM
Though I am not old fashioned (except for my collection of vintage rhinestones jewelry) I thnk this is a great idea.

I am sure it would mean a great deal to QEII. 

Take up a collection, buy a gift certifcate to Garrad's and let QEII pick what she wants.

I would be curious and delighted to see QEII's personal taaste in jewelry.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 22, 2007, 08:11:48 AM
I think we can see her personal taste in jewelry from what she chooses to wear from the VAST amount in the vaults, etc. that she can choose from. And the pieces she likes the best are the ones that HM wears most often.

Would the Elizabeths of the UK provide the money?

I think it would be a better idea for the next Queen Consort, a gift from the Camilla's of the UK to Queen Camilla.
Or the garter insignia can be bought for her or for William's consort, whoever she ends up being, by the ladies of the UK that have the same name that she has. But as I said originally, I'm not sure if the ladies of the UK who have the same name as a particular royal lady would all give some money to give her a present.  ???
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: TampaBay on April 22, 2007, 08:54:20 AM
I would still like to what style, if Elizabeth could choose anything she wanted , she would choose in jewelry.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Vecchiolarry on April 22, 2007, 11:54:14 AM
Hi Tampa Bay,

I was told by someone who worked at Windsor castle in the 70's that The Queen liked the circular necklace made out of the Cambridge emeralds and diamonds with the drop emerald and diamond very much.

Larry
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Post by: Katherine The O.K. on April 22, 2007, 12:24:47 PM
You know, I've noticed how strong QM's physical traits are still in the family today: QEII has her nose and Charles definitely has her face shape, mouth and nose! Must be some pretty strong genes!
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Post by: TampaBay on April 22, 2007, 12:32:59 PM
Hi Tampa Bay,

I was told by someone who worked at Windsor castle in the 70's that The Queen liked the circular necklace made out of the Cambridge emeralds and diamonds with the drop emerald and diamond very much.

Larry

Larry,

That is one killer necklace and I like the matching earrings just as much!

If I had the $$$$, I would have the parure copied in sapphires and hope I did not get sued for copyright infringement.  ;) ;) ;)

The necklace goes with any outfit from any time period: 1890's ball gowns to jeanns wuth jean jacket circa 2007.

THe necklace will always be on the cutting edge of fashion and always look moder, fresh and new.

Old Diamond Drawers really new what she was doing when she designed that necklace.

Of cousre the Vladamir tiara ,which the queen often wears with that parure, is also one of my favorietes.

Did you firend who worked at windsor tell you any pther good gossip?  Inquiring minds want to know!  ;D ;D ;D

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 22, 2007, 01:10:43 PM
Hi Tampa Bay,

I was told by someone who worked at Windsor castle in the 70's that The Queen liked the circular necklace made out of the Cambridge emeralds and diamonds with the drop emerald and diamond very much.

Larry

I LOVE that necklace, the Durbar necklace it's called. I ordered a copy of it with matching earrings, which I will be getting soon!  8) ;D :)

Yes, Queen Mary's physical characteristics, facial ones I mean, have really been passed on to her descendents, particularly the Queen.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: gogm on April 22, 2007, 03:09:25 PM
The whole circumstances of Camilla's accession bode poorly for her getting any kind of high-value collective gift.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 23, 2007, 12:21:33 AM
We'll have to wait and see. By the time Camilla becomes Queen things may be very different, she has already become so much more accepted than she once was.
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Post by: TampaBay on April 23, 2007, 04:58:58 AM

I LOVE that necklace, the Durbar necklace it's called. I ordered a copy of it with matching earrings, which I will be getting soon!  8) ;D :)


Where did you order the copy from?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Vecchiolarry on April 23, 2007, 09:18:09 AM
Tampa Bay,

My friend worked from October 1976 to July 1977 - the Silver Jubilee year - when The Queen was very busy with many more appearances than usual.
He worked setting up banquet tables in St. George's Hall and the Waterloo Chamber and serving.  He once was in a hallway when The Queen and her ladies and corgies came toward him to inspect a table in St. George's Hall.  He had to get over against the wall, stand at attention and bow.  She looked at him and smiled.  That was it but he was impressed;  he said to me, "She is The Queen!".....

Larry
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: TampaBay on April 24, 2007, 06:10:31 AM
Great Story!

I have read the Queen was very impressive in person.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 24, 2007, 11:17:43 AM
I'm sure she still is!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Kimberly on April 24, 2007, 11:32:20 AM
She is REALLY tiny (mind you, I am 5'10")
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 24, 2007, 11:44:48 AM
Did you meet HM in person?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Kimberly on April 24, 2007, 12:00:05 PM
Hubby did when he got his gong. We went too. She just radiates majesty. I'm not a slave to royalty but I had a lump in my throat as big as a grapefruit when she walked into the room at Buck Palace (and tears in my eyes too) :)
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Post by: emeraldeyes on April 24, 2007, 12:09:56 PM
I LOVE that necklace, the Durbar necklace it's called. I ordered a copy of it with matching earrings, which I will be getting soon!  8) ;D :)

These ones from Majesty magazine?

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/durb.jpg)

Or is there another source?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 24, 2007, 12:16:04 PM
What gong did he get Kimberly, if you don't mind me asking.  ;) Being in the presence of the Queen I'm sure was very special. I hope one day she comes to my city and I see her in person. She has come here before of course, but I was very young and not very interested in royalty.

Emerald Eyes, yes, those ones because I know Majesty Magazine are reliable posting to Australia because I have ordered some back issues from them before. But there are other sources for copies of the Durbar set - if you search under Durbar necklace I think you will find some other sources. However, all the other sources have the pieces looking exactly the same.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Kimberly on April 24, 2007, 12:49:30 PM
I'll PM ya Basilforever ;)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 24, 2007, 01:44:07 PM
Felicia you will look lovely in that set!! You can't go wrong with some nice jewels - not enough women were them nowadays!! I'm always encouraging my Mum to dorn her jewels.

Now Kim - are you sure the lump in your throat wasn't from the Margarita you were downing ?? ?? I know you!! I'm jealous - would love to see HM!!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 24, 2007, 02:44:06 PM
Thanks Edmund!  :) :) I love jewelry, all my relatives gave me jewelry for my 21st birthday, unfortunately no diamond tiara as I had requested.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Alexander1917 on April 24, 2007, 04:07:31 PM
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Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Alexander1917 on April 24, 2007, 04:14:27 PM
Yes, the Dehli Durbar is also one of my favorits...
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Alexander1917 on April 24, 2007, 05:11:31 PM
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w245/alexander1917/10.jpg)

bought in London for my own collection
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 25, 2007, 11:22:43 AM
What was? I can't see the picture. :(
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on April 25, 2007, 12:30:16 PM
may looks as though shes about to throw a fit here.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/scan-2.jpg)
i like it though. :)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on April 27, 2007, 10:33:54 PM
Part of the celebrations of EII & Philip's wedding anniversary include an exhibit featuring memorabilia of other royal weddings. Here's some from the wedding of Queen Mary in 1893:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/microsites/royalweddings/section.asp?exhibs=WedGVQM

Gold bangle with jewelled letters V and M
(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/65679.jpg)
This bracelet was a wedding present to Princess May on her marriage to George, Duke of York (the future King George V). The date of the wedding, 6 July 1893, is inscribed on the inside. A sapphire and a ruby are balanced on the diamond initials VM. Although her given names were Victoria and Mary she was known by her family as 'May'.

One of the wedding portraits (I have a postcard of this and it's probably familiar from some books but I'd love to see it in person):
(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/920841.jpg)

Handkerchief carried by Princess May
(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/120026.jpg)

A label in Queen Mary's hand (you just have to love her attention to detail  :) )identifies this handkerchief as the one that she, ‘Victoria Mary, Duchess of York’, used on her wedding day. It is made of fine Honiton lace and embroidered with her initials, VM.

An autographed photo of the wedding party--it's not the same one as usually seen where Bee is looking down and Thora is looking straight on:
(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/2870062.jpg)

Rose of York brooch
(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/45549.jpg)
This brooch originally formed the centrepiece of a bracelet. At the wedding of the Duke and Duchess of York (the future King George V and Queen Mary) in 1893 each bridesmaid received one as a present from the bridegroom, whose emblems are integral to the design. The diamond anchor recalls Prince George’s naval career and the white flower is a Rose of York, highlighting his recent creation as Duke of York.

Wedding favor--I actually have one of these:
(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/55068.jpg)
On the day of the wedding of the future King George V and Queen Mary, many children were invited to watch the procession at the home of Baroness Angela Burdett-Coutts, one of the richest women in Britain at the time. All were presented with hand-made wedding favours like this one. They would have had an excellent view from Lady Burdett-Coutts's house in Stratton Street overlooking Piccadilly.

Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 28, 2007, 02:35:43 PM
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Although her given names were Victoria and Mary

Well she had many other given names than that - Victoria Mary Augusta Louise Olga Pauline Claudine Agnes - but Victoria and Mary were the first two. I like that bracelet very much, and the Rose of York brooch.  :D
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 28, 2007, 03:20:14 PM
Yes beautiful - I definitely will go and see it, thank you GD Ella. I love the framed photo of the wedding party - I wonder where that is from.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on April 29, 2007, 05:58:34 AM
It is from the Royal Collection. I wish I could go and see the exhibition, you are so lucky Edmund, to be able to go and see it.  :P

Here is the homepage for the exhibition:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/microsites/royalweddings/default.asp

I love that picture of the Queen and Prince Philip - they look so happy and in love.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on April 29, 2007, 09:58:12 AM
Yes beautiful - I definitely will go and see it, thank you GD Ella. I love the framed photo of the wedding party - I wonder where that is from.

I provided the link above the items--I only posted some of those displayed. They are also showing items from the weddings of QV/PA, EVII/QA, GVI/Queen Elizabeth and EII/Prince Philip.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 29, 2007, 10:02:53 AM
Yes I did see that - thank you so much. What I ment was I wonder who owned the picture originally - could of sat in Queen Marys boudoir! Or belonged to one of the bridesmaids.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on April 29, 2007, 10:12:38 AM
It was signed by GV and QM--would they have signed one of their personal photos? I guess they could or perhaps it belonged to QV or QA since it's still within the Royal Collection.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 29, 2007, 03:02:46 PM
It was signed by GV and QM--would they have signed one of their personal photos? I guess they could or perhaps it belonged to QV or QA since it's still within the Royal Collection.

Yes good point Courtney - they could have signed it for QV or QA like you say. Just me being curious - I love to imagine who owned things like that orginally..
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on May 09, 2007, 08:22:51 PM
I was wondering whether any pictures of Mary's engagement ring from Eddy exist. And also if there is any description of the ring.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on May 10, 2007, 11:11:42 AM
I read a description of it once in an article in Majesty magazine about royal engagment rings in the British RF. I need to try to find it again!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Alexander1917 on May 10, 2007, 01:46:26 PM
I read a description of it once in an article in Majesty magazine about royal engagment rings in the British RF. I need to try to find it again!

...about not wearing the Oriental Circlet and Rubies (later worn by Queen Mother)..."Queen Mary chose not to wear these pieces, perhaps because her first financé, the Duke of Clarence, had given her a half-hoop ruby engagement ring before his untimely death shortly before they were to be married."
LESLIE FIELD, THE QUEEN'S JEWELS, p 138
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on May 10, 2007, 01:52:58 PM
Thanks!  :) Was there a picture included? There must be a picture of this engagement ring somewhere.

Interesting that's why Q Mary didn't wear the oriental circlet tiara or other rubies - she thought it was bad luck because Eddy gave her a ruby ring and died soon afterwards. I never wondered that before.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Alexander1917 on May 10, 2007, 01:58:36 PM
Thanks!  :) Was there a picture included? There must be a picture of this engagement ring somewhere.

Interesting that's why Q Mary didn't wear the oriental circlet tiara or other rubies - she thought it was bad luck because Eddy gave her a ruby ring and died soon afterwards. I never wondered that before.

I also think she thourght of bad luck and so...she prefered her emeralds!!!

unfortunately there was no picture....but I think the ring still exist....QM collected many things, may be in the royal archieves at windsor
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 02:28:11 PM
I wonder when she actually got it. Eddy wouldn't have had it with him when he proposed, I don't think. Then, after he left Luton Hoo, they didn't see each other for a few awhile--a week, maybe? Perhaps he gave it to her then. They had already been photographed once while at Luton Hoo. I think they only had 1 or 2 more photos before he died.

Plus, as I mentioned elsewhere, it's almost impossible to get a good look at the ring George gave May and she wore that for decades through 1000s of photos! Perhaps the 'Wurttemberg hands' that Louise commented on made May reluctant to have her hands photographed? She's almost always resting them in her lap, holding a fan or some item, or wearing gloves.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on May 10, 2007, 02:53:27 PM
I'm sure the ruby engagement ring was a beauty - Eddy had great style and taste.  :D

What stone did the engagement ring from George have in it?

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/1891.jpg)

I think we can see May wearing it here, but not in very good detail :P
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 03:14:05 PM
I'll try and track the info down in the wedding articles I have. I did come across that White Lodge opened up for a day in June to display George and May's wedding presents. About 1000 were expected and more than 20,000 (from all over) tried to gain admittance. Another display at the Imperial Institute was arranged.

Her wedding ring was of Welsh gold, while the 'keeper ring' (like QA's BERTIE ring) was of Scotch gold. The design was taken from the arms of the Kingdom of Scotland. It bore the Scottish lion in a double border, with the old Royal motto 'Nemo me impune incessit' running around in a delicate enamelled lettering between edges of thistle blooms and leaves carved out of the gold.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on May 10, 2007, 03:16:24 PM
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Nemo me impune incessit

What does it mean? :)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 03:17:04 PM
Have no clue. The newspaper didn't say.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 10, 2007, 03:39:16 PM
All I know is that Nemo means "no one."

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on May 10, 2007, 04:13:39 PM
I'm so glad to have an answer to a question I've had on my mind forever! Thanks so much!:D  In the Hennessy-Pope biography there is no mention of the ring and that is one of the most thorough biographies of Queen Mary out there. Is there any description of the engagement ring from George?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 06:18:22 PM
This is one of the few photos I've been able to get--I blew it up from a photo so it's not as clear as I'd like:

(http://preview.clawrence677.photosite.com/~photos/tn/10476348_348.ts1178839035402.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on May 10, 2007, 07:36:15 PM
I just remembered a passage in Carolly Erickson's Lillibet that might be of interest. "One former employee was found to have purloined a large number of valuables from the underground vaults at the palace, including Queen Mary's engagement ring..."

Also this might be a silly question, but what is the keepers ring?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 09:22:55 PM
The definition I found said " keeper ring is a ring which is used alongside another, more valuable ring to keep it securely on the finger".

The Royal Collection has this keeper ring

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/65429.jpg)

that was presented to Queen Charlotte from George III.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: basilforever on May 11, 2007, 06:41:48 AM
I just remembered a passage in Carolly Erickson's Lillibet that might be of interest. "One former employee was found to have purloined a large number of valuables from the underground vaults at the palace, including Queen Mary's engagement ring..."

Also this might be a silly question, but what is the keepers ring?

Which engagement ring was stolen, the one from Eddy or the one from George?

That is terrible that these valuables were stolen. Were they all recovered back to the vaults/royal collection???
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on May 11, 2007, 04:00:04 PM
I believe it was the one from George. Carolly Erickson never mentions Eddy only Prince George. Yes, the man was apprehended after a series of things were misplaced. The book states, "Souvenirs as well as heirlooms, sheets from Windsor Castle and a Royal Standard, for instance, were found in the guilty man's apartment. And the thief, knew a great deal about the inner workings of Buckingham palace, told journalist Andrew Morton that he was not prosecuted because of fears in high places that he might reveal embarrassing secrets." Another missing item was a set of knives and forks from the time of George III!! Thankfully, they are now safely back in the vaults.

What a beautiful ring and unique purpose! Does anyone know why or how they came into disuse?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Grace on May 11, 2007, 06:00:05 PM
Most interesting, Mary R., and thanks for posting.

Would you know when these incidents took place?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on May 12, 2007, 11:03:09 AM
The book suggests that these incidents took place during the mid '80s.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Alexander1917 on May 13, 2007, 10:51:29 AM
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Nemo me impune incessit

What does it mean? :)


found at Wikipedia:
Nemo me impune lacessit

 (English: No one wounds me with impunity, literally meaning (lacessere = to appeal to, to provoke, to attack): No one provokes me with impunity) is the royal Scottish motto, used historically for the Kingdom of Scotland where it appeared on the Royal Arms of Scotland. Today it is the motto the monarch of the United Kingdom uses when in Scotland, and it appears on the Royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom when in use in Scotland.

A more colloquial translation into English would be "No one attacks me and gets away with it." Similarly, in Scots this is usually rendered as "Wha daur meddle wi me? ", which more literally means "Who dares meddle with me?"

It is also the motto of the Order of the Thistle, the Scottish chivalrous order and of the British Army regiments The Royal Regiment of Scotland and Scots Guards. It was also the motto of the former Royal Scots, Royal Highland Fusiliers and Black Watch regiments.

The motto appears as an inscription on the rim of the 1984 and 1994 "Scottish" editions of the British One Pound coin and is also referenced in the Edgar Allan Poe story "The Cask of Amontillado" (Poe was adopted by a Scottish merchant).

Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on May 19, 2007, 09:18:52 PM
Wow that's pretty impressive. It's interesting to me how those words have so many connections!

Regards,
Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 19, 2007, 11:38:16 PM
In her 'coming out' dress

(http://ww2.datazap.net/ftp/stevenmorawiec/NNNN/69549.jpg)

Queen Mary with Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret and Prince Edward of Kent (the current Duke)

(http://ww2.datazap.net/ftp/stevenmorawiec/NNNN/69555.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on May 20, 2007, 09:17:15 AM
I love seeing pictures of her and her grandchildren! That "part" of her life is one of my favorites in photographs.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: ashdean on May 21, 2007, 11:35:03 AM
In her 'coming out' dress

(http://ww2.datazap.net/ftp/stevenmorawiec/NNNN/69549.jpg)

The diamond necklace she is wearing was a debut present from her mother and was later passed on her to her daughter Mary,Princess Royal & Countess of Harewood after her death it was sold...
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: ashdean on May 21, 2007, 11:38:25 AM


Queen Mary with Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret and Prince Edward of Kent (the current Duke)

(http://ww2.datazap.net/ftp/stevenmorawiec/NNNN/69555.jpg)
[/quote]The Queen is seen wearing the diamond & pearl dogcollar (with the sapphire clasp at the back)bought from the Dowager Empresses estate in 1929 .Inherited by the current Queen it has in recent years been worn by Princess Anne...
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on May 21, 2007, 08:36:33 PM
Thanks for the background on the necklace! Is the necklace Anne's official property or is it a loaner from the queen?

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 21, 2007, 09:30:41 PM
In Leslie Field's book it says it was a loan to Princess Anne. I hope the piece, with its historical connections, stays in the main family and doesn't go to Anne and her children.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on May 24, 2007, 05:14:17 PM
I was looking through Corbis and found some pictures of Queen Mary depicted in plays. I thought this was something interesting. Enjoy!

From the play "As Thousands Cheer" with Helen Broderick as Her Majesty.
(http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU026297.jpg?size=67&uid={3bc6b476-4f90-42ec-82c3-978c358ce76f})

And from "Crown Matrimonial" with Phyllis Calvert as Queen Mary.
(http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU034542.jpg?size=67&uid={765d34db-60f6-4251-95be-6a3ea3822340})

From a more recent version of "Crown Matrimonial" with June Salter portraying Queen Mary.
(http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an24750305-v)

Regards,
Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Alexander1917 on May 25, 2007, 07:47:56 PM
Today is Queen Marys 140th birthday anniversary
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 25, 2007, 09:47:19 PM
"...a very fine child, with quantities of hair--brushed up into a curl on the top of its head!--and very pretty features and a dark skin." QV to CPss Victoria of Prussia

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/image703QM.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 26, 2007, 06:14:57 AM
I believe that the birth of HSH Princess Victoria Mary of Teck was one of the only times Queen Victoria went to Kensington Palace after her ascension.

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on May 26, 2007, 06:25:47 AM
That is interesting! I think another ocassion was when she went to see Princess Louises finished rooms?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on May 26, 2007, 11:44:46 AM
 
Today is Queen Marys 140th birthday anniversary
Happy late birthday!  :)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 26, 2007, 03:50:40 PM
I believe that the birth of HSH Princess Victoria Mary of Teck was one of the only times Queen Victoria went to Kensington Palace after her ascension.

-Duke of NJ

In that same letter I quoted from above, she wrote: 'It was very strange to me to go to my poor, dear, old home again--after 30 years! (It was 30 years yesterday that I first drove away from that door with an escort as Queen to my Proclamation!)'.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on May 26, 2007, 04:22:00 PM
I love the fact QV was sentimental about incidents like that, her observations make such interesting reading. Queen Mary was the same.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on May 26, 2007, 09:45:46 PM
I agree. Queen Mary often reminisced about historical events that coincided with personal ones. It's one of the things I love about her!

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Lucien on May 29, 2007, 12:15:17 AM
A thread on occasion of what would have been QM's 140th birthday last saturday.

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1180342207.html

Courtesy Octavius & Nellie,GREMB.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on May 29, 2007, 06:42:41 PM
What a wonderful link! I enjoyed the tribute very much.

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on June 22, 2007, 10:19:58 PM
Some views of Queen Mary's coronation gown:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture377coronationw.jpg)(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture376coronationw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture375aw.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on June 22, 2007, 10:20:56 PM
Her garter set which was a gift of the Marys of the Empire:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture378garterw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture378garter2aa.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture378garter2a.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture378garter2.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on June 22, 2007, 10:37:10 PM
I couldn't immediately find a picture from 1910 so picked this one to go with the words.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/QM5391w.jpg)

George V wrote to Queen Mary in October 1910, their first separation since he became King when he went up to York Cottage for a few days:

'You have never left me for a single day since that sad event. I fear darling my nature is not demonstrative, but I want you to understand, that I am indeed grateful to you, for all you have done these busy months for me & to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your love & for the enormous help & comfort which you have been to me in my new position. I can't imagine how I could have got on at all without you, I shall never forget it...My love grows stronger for you every day mixed with admiration & I thank God every day that he has given me such a darling devoetd wife as you are....God bless you my sweet Angel May....'

Not too shabby for almost 20 years of marriage.  :)

Queen Mary did not that she wished he could tell her what he felt rather than just write but that she got 'such untold pleasure' from his words nonetheless. George replied that 'I really am full of feeling & sentiment & am very sympathetic but somehow I always fnid it difficult to express what I feel except in a letter, especially to the person I love & am always with like you darling...I feel lost when you are not there & everything seems out of gear.'
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on June 22, 2007, 10:54:13 PM
What a treat to see those pictures! :) Beautiful dress which she wore with grace and poise (of course)! Do you have pictures of her gown for the Delhi Durbar?

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on June 23, 2007, 12:05:33 AM
Not any good closeups but I'll keep looking.  :)

I was reading an old article that related how when George V went to France in 1919 (wehre he visited his cousin Maurice's grave) he took with him some flowers that a lady had asked Queen Mary to give to him to place on her son's grave. This he did and asked the gardener at the cemetary (on of the official war cemetaries) to ensure the grave was watered.

In addition, Queen Mary took the GBP 12,500 that was her personal gift from the Marys of the Empire and used it to purchase a house on the shore to be used by London working females for a place to have some rest & relaxation.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture307QMw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture308qmw.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on June 23, 2007, 12:37:34 AM
Queen Mary watching an army exercise in the summer of 1913:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture077QM1913armyexercisew.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: boffer on June 23, 2007, 05:26:17 AM
Queen Mary wore her coronation gown both for her coronation and the Delhi Durbar - both in 1911.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 23, 2007, 07:09:50 AM
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'You have never left me for a single day since that sad event

Which sad event? The death of Eddy?

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 23, 2007, 11:02:25 AM
No Duke, since Edward VII's death.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on June 23, 2007, 12:54:38 PM
Wonderful story about the house; very typical of her nature! :)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on June 23, 2007, 05:23:05 PM
Queen Mary wore her coronation gown both for her coronation and the Delhi Durbar - both in 1911.

She also wore a white gown which I haven't been able to pin down.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/DDw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/r915aw.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on June 23, 2007, 06:40:58 PM
What Delhi Durbar event did she wear the white gown for?

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on June 23, 2007, 10:16:04 PM
I was reading through some of the Times coverage trying to figure out what she wore where. Based on the physical description of the surroundings, it seems she wore the white dress at an event at the Shah Jehan Palace the day after the larger celebration--though the paper said they wore their coronation outfits, the rest of the facts seem to support the white dress (the balcony, etc...). The coronation gown was worn at the main celebration prior which was held in 2 amphitheatres on the plains outside of Delhi.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on June 23, 2007, 10:50:37 PM
Thanks for the information! I found some pictures from the Delhi Durbar and the Ophir cruise that I will try to locate.

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on June 23, 2007, 11:01:01 PM
There was a sad overlap within George's family. On the day of the 2nd event in India, his sister Louise & her family were involved in the wreck of the Delphi while on their way to Egypt. While the family survived, the Duke eventually developed a fatal inflammation of the lungs from the experience. It took so long to arrive back in England that GV & QM were still en route when the Duke passed away but because the Duke's body had to travel from Egypt, where the Fifes had continued on to, they arrived back a few weeks before the deceased. They attended the pre-planned Thanksgiving Service for their safe return in mourning for their brother-in-law. The Opening of Parliament was, for the 2nd year in a row, attendd in mourning as well--the previous year, 1911, beign for Edward VII.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 24, 2007, 08:50:09 AM
There was a great website about the 1911 Durbar that was very detailed, but it was linked from wikipedia page on the Durbar but now the link is not there anymore.  Does anybody else know about this website, I will keep on looking for it though. 

-DUke of NJ
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Alexander1917 on June 25, 2007, 11:36:35 AM
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w245/alexander1917/banbury1.jpg)
In India, clearly seen that it is her coronation dress (details some posts above)



(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w245/alexander1917/182b42c0.jpg)
after the return in London, wearing the Indian Emeralds and the Indian State Crown
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on June 28, 2007, 12:43:51 AM
Quite the display of pomp and ceremony!

At the Landing Ceremony:
(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/3307024.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=BAA3E61C514E7EC65411E788151EFF10)

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/3307014.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=BAA3E61C514E7EC625701B178A6F32CA)

Posing by the railing of the Medina:
(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/53367304.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=4996399091E83186D4DD5576E43F224DF06BF04B24B4128C)

At Port Said along with Lord Kitchener:
(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/3281864.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=4F84C7EF07395AB65328EC5CB30D380B)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: emeraldeyes on June 30, 2007, 08:35:26 PM
Not to distract from the current discussion of the dresses worn in India, but I wanted to share this picture of QM that is new to me.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/maryunknown.jpg)

I can't immediately recall other pictures from this sitting; maybe it's the pose that is throwing me off...I'm sure our resident Queen Mary expert, GDella, can help with this.   :)

Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on June 30, 2007, 08:47:55 PM
There a closer view of that pose, in a memorial book of Queen Mary. I'm not sure if there were other poses or not. It's one of my favorites--I love photos of her from when she was younger and softer Princess May, not yet the bejewelled, be-toqued Queen Mary of legend. I think it was from about 1887-88.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: emeraldeyes on June 30, 2007, 08:56:09 PM
See, I knew you would know!!   :-*   Thanks GDella!!   :-*

It struck me immediately as a lovely, feminine photograph, as you say, so unlike the Cartier's Counter, massive bosomed and bejewelled look that was to come (although those pictures are amazing in their own way).
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on June 30, 2007, 09:10:33 PM
That's definitely a good picture, her gaze is confident her pose proper yet relaxed. She was always feminine and beautiful, each stage of her life held a different representation.  :) Thanks for sharing the picture emeraldeyes, it's harder to find pictures of 'just May.'

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on June 30, 2007, 09:42:25 PM
Here's a non-traditional Queen Mary picture. It's from the Orphir cruise and it shows Queen Mary (then Duchess of Cornwall & York) and her ladies-in-waiting being 'drilled' during their morning exercise:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture065mayonophirw.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: emeraldeyes on July 01, 2007, 08:49:59 AM
That's definitely a good picture, her gaze is confident her pose proper yet relaxed. She was always feminine and beautiful, each stage of her life held a different representation.  :) Thanks for sharing the picture emeraldeyes, it's harder to find pictures of 'just May.'

Mary R.


Mary R, it's always a pleasure to share with a fellow poster as enthusiastic as yourself.   :)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on July 01, 2007, 11:54:37 AM
Thank you for the compliment!  :)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Alexander1917 on July 01, 2007, 12:49:55 PM
Not to distract from the current discussion of the dresses worn in India, but I wanted to share this picture of QM that is new to me.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/maryunknown.jpg)

I can't immediately recall other pictures from this sitting; maybe it's the pose that is throwing me off...I'm sure our resident Queen Mary expert, GDella, can help with this.   :)



I read somewhere that it was taken in the garden of Withe Lodge....
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 01:30:59 PM
Some of Princess Victoria Mary of Teck:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture4236mayw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/File0126aw-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 01:31:56 PM
As a bridesmaid for Princess Louise of Wales in 1889:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture2241may1889w.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture2123aw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/img462ccw.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 01:32:53 PM
Young debutante:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/r531aw-1.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture3545maryw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/HN9673.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/HN9663w.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 01:34:00 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/06b98c80w.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/img444w-1.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/img921cw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture2123aaw.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 01:34:53 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture3692qm2w.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture3678qmw.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 01:35:32 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/Picture3693qmw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/HN9659w.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 01:37:11 PM
And one of my all-time favorites--I have this one from a full-size print. So lovely.  :)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/img099w.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on July 01, 2007, 06:13:04 PM
What an amazing array of pictures Grandduchessella! The last picture is one of my favorites among the early pictures; she has an almost "over the shoulder glance." :)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 06:26:51 PM
I think I probably have more photos of Queen Mary than anyone, except perhaps Queens Alexandra or Marie of Romania. They all loved having their photos taken so there are no shortage of photographs out there.  :)

Here's Queen Mary in the dress she wore to debut at court:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/e421_1_b1aw.jpg)

The turquoise necklace she is wearing was a gift from her parents and later part of the set (along with some of her wedding turquoises from her parents) that she gave to the Duchess of Gloucester.

A portrait painted of her as a wedding present for Prince George:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/81737_128641mayw.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on July 01, 2007, 06:43:30 PM
Queen Mary and QEII make up the majority of my pictures! Is the portrait the one mentioned in George V's study?

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 07:16:06 PM
Yes, it is.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 12, 2007, 02:44:37 PM
I just came across the factoid that Queen Mary holds the record (jointly, with her sister-in-law Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone) for the receipt of Royal Family Orders. Queen Mary received the Family Orders of her grand-mother-in-law Victoria (1893); father-in-law Edward VII (1902); husband George V (1911); son George VI (1937) and granddaughter Elizabeth II (1952).  She received this last Order shortly before her death and was thus denied the opportunity to wear it in public. Princess Alice received the same Royal Family Orders. At the time of her death in 1981 she was the sole surviving member of the Royal Order of Victoria and Albert.

The most decorated of all consorts, Queen Mary received the Order of the Garter upon her husband’s accession to the throne (1910). A year later, on the occasion of the Delhi Durbar, she was appointed a Lady Grand Commander of the Order of the Star of India. This latter appointment doubled her Indian orders as Queen Victoria had appointed her to the Imperial Order of the Crown of India over a decade earlier.  In 1917 Queen Mary became a Dame Grand Cross of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire: she would serve as the Order’s Grand Master from 1936 until her death in 1953. Also in 1936 King Edward VIII appointed her a Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order. Queen Mary would receive the Royal Victorian Chain from his brother a few months later. Aside from her numerous Royal Family Orders (listed supra), Queen Mary was also a Dame Grand Cross of the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on July 13, 2007, 09:38:46 PM
I have also read that she was one of the most decorated! It always amazed me that she lived through six reigns. Thanks for all the information, it must have taken some time to track down the various orders!  :)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 13, 2007, 11:20:50 PM
I'd like to take credit for being that smart and/or diligent but the info was in one spot so it really didn't take much.  ;) :)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 18, 2007, 05:22:30 AM
You know Queen Mary, never ceases to impress me. I was reading about the Palace of Whitehall: An undercroft from Wolsey's Great Chamber, now known as Henry VIII's Wine Cellar, a fine example of a Tudor brick-vaulted roof, was in the way of plans for the new building of the Ministry of Defence. Following a request from Queen Mary and a promise in Parliament, provision was made for the preservation of the cellar. It was encased in steel and concrete and relocated in 1949. This major operation was carried out without damage to the structure and it now rests safe within the basement of the MOD.

Such a love of history and an eye to preservation for future generations!!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Alexander1917 on July 18, 2007, 05:33:43 AM
Yes, sounds really QM. Also how she searched into the small shops (..and homes) for thinks which were from the Royal Collection...and she discovered a lot....
also she got a impresseve knwoledge about the orgin of the items in question...GREAT....

I hope that further generations will also kepp the things together..not so as many others, found their way to Christie's or Sotherby's....
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: ashdean on July 18, 2007, 06:08:27 AM
Without a doubt Queen Mary was the greatest of the female royal collectors..despite the fact she never bought a great painting...the Queen Mother with her Monet,Nash,Sickerts & John beats her in that respect.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on July 18, 2007, 07:46:39 PM
Quite the cataloging expert!  :) I have a picture of her shopping, possibly "caressing an item with her eyes". But alas, I cannot find it! Anyone else have one?

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: gogm on July 18, 2007, 09:45:57 PM
Not to distract from the current discussion of the dresses worn in India, but I wanted to share this picture of QM that is new to me.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/maryunknown.jpg)

I can't immediately recall other pictures from this sitting; maybe it's the pose that is throwing me off...I'm sure our resident Queen Mary expert, GDella, can help with this.

Looking at the pufy sleeves, it may be 1890s.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Grace on July 19, 2007, 06:28:23 AM
Quite the cataloging expert!  :) I have a picture of her shopping, possibly "caressing an item with her eyes". But alas, I cannot find it! Anyone else have one?

Mary R.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/QM.jpg)
'There is nothing Queen Mary likes more than visiting small antique shops in the country.  Here she is leaving after looking over a dealer's collection at Ipswich'.

Not quite 'caressing' but possibly just after!  :D



Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 19, 2007, 09:07:59 AM
Although I don't have the book to hand but Chips Channon left a fascinating picture of Queen Mary attending the first BP after the war. She walked across the lawn wearing (I think) ice blue and literally shimmering in diamonds. Would love to have seen that!!  :D

Chips also wrote she was "above politics…magnificent, humorous, worldly, in fact nearly sublime, though cold and hard. But what a grand Queen."
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on July 19, 2007, 12:00:31 PM
Quite a nice summary of Queen Mary  :). I wish we could see the picture!

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Alexander1917 on July 19, 2007, 04:01:25 PM
Without a doubt Queen Mary was the greatest of the female royal collectors..despite the fact she never bought a great painting...the Queen Mother with her Monet,Nash,Sickerts & John beats her in that respect.

Yes Queen Mum collected paintings and china, and her love for the Castle of Mey, and May collected GEMS!!!!!
(not only diamonds were her best friends...LOL)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 19, 2007, 04:55:18 PM
May collected FAR more other objects than gems--that's just what's commented on the most. She collected large quantities of paintings (especially ones with historical connections), fans, and various objects d'art. She, thankfully for historians, also catalogued her efforts.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on July 19, 2007, 08:27:05 PM
JPH's biography of QM states that had she not been royal, she would have been an excellent museum curator!  :)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Alexander1917 on July 20, 2007, 04:20:33 AM
JPH's biography of QM states that had she not been royal, she would have been an excellent museum curator!  :)

Mary R.

That's right....she hat got also a fantastic knowledge about the orgins, owners (and so one) about a single item....
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 20, 2007, 10:56:02 AM
She frequently helped the head (curator?) of the Royal Library in identifying various personages in the voluminous quantities of sketches, portraits, watercolors, miniatures etc...that Queen Victoria and King Edward (not to mention prior monarchs) had accumulated but which over time the context or identification of the picture in question had been lost. These pictures amounted to the thousands in the Royal Collection and she provided an invaluable assistance, frequently adding not just the name of someone but supplying anecdotes or facts about the particular picture.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Alexander1917 on July 20, 2007, 12:48:36 PM
And which was also discussed already: she made lists and catalouges of all things, and also what dress she wore to what occassion and which jewellery...

For me she was the "Queen" from the fary tales....
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on July 25, 2007, 11:38:28 PM
I recently came across this site and found it quite interesting! It provides information on Queen Mary (trivia, quotes, pictures, etc.) along with other women like Princess Margaret and Queen Victoria.  :)

Here's the link to QM's specific site:
http://www.divasthesite.com/Political_Divas/Queen_Mary.htm (http://www.divasthesite.com/Political_Divas/Queen_Mary.htm)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 07, 2007, 08:53:30 AM
Hey you all!!!!! :D


I recently bought myself a fantastic royal (jewel) book, ‘The Royal Jewels by Suzy Menkes. Absolutely a wonderful book containing beautiful pictures. With some great anecdotes about the royal family. I was reading the chapter about Queen Mary.. And the last few sentences of this chapter, I would like to share with you all.

Here we go: (From The Royal Jewels) ‘Queen Mary was to live on fore nearly twenty years, majestic, indomitable, clearing the woods at Badminton where she was evacuated during the Second World War, facing stoically the deaths of two more of her sons- the Duke of Kent in a plane crash in August 1942, King George VI of cancer ten years later. Once she and the monarchy that she nurtured and cherished, had survived the Abdication, both seemed as tough and indestructible as the diamonds she adored.’

Isn’t it touching! In the book their a also two pictures of pages of her Dress book. Where she listed her jewels and clothes she whore on different occasions.  Like Alexander1917 was revering to.  I will try to post them later. :)
But fore now this wonderful portrait of a 'true Queen' with here jewels she adored.

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/img393.jpg)

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 07, 2007, 09:39:27 AM
Welcome Back RN! I love that book too (apparently there are some errors) but that's a brilliant quote!!! Could you post the passage from when she first appeared at the BP garden party? I seem to recall she walked across the gardens glittering in jewels.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on August 07, 2007, 09:49:12 AM
Absolutely! I keep reminding myself to purchase that book; are there any other Mary anecdotes? Lovely portrait, thanks RN!  :)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: dmitri on August 07, 2007, 10:02:18 AM
Don't you just love the tiara with the full set of pearls on the top? Diana and The Queen before her wore it without those pearls and it still looked spectacular.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on August 07, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
My personal opinion is the Cambridge Lover's Knot is one of the loveliest tiaras in the possession of the royal family. Too bad it probably won't be seen again for some time.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 08, 2007, 01:40:58 PM
Welcome Back RN! I love that book too (apparently there are some errors) but that's a brilliant quote!!! Could you post the passage from when she first appeared at the BP garden party? I seem to recall she walked across the gardens glittering in jewels.


Glad to be back, thank you Eddieboy and Mary R.! :D Yes it is a great book isn't it. I was reading the chapter about May but I haven't found the passage from the BP garden party. But I'm working on it.  But fore now this picture of "Elegant may'!

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/100677_001.jpg)
In this outfit she reminds me of her mother-in-law Queen Alexandra.

RN :)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mary R. on August 08, 2007, 05:33:01 PM
Indeed she does!

I just found this anecdote on May:
Once the author E. M. Forster was at a society wedding and bowed to the cake under the impression that it was Queen Mary.
Another version: He was at a wedding party with once, sitting opposite Queen Mary. When asked if he would like to be presented he said, "Good Lord," he said. "I thought it was the wedding cake."”  :D

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on September 06, 2007, 11:32:53 PM
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click on image for larger version

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/mayteck.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/mayteck.jpg)


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Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: ashdean on September 07, 2007, 10:49:02 AM
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click on image for larger version

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 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/mayteck.jpg)
The diamond necklace she wears in the picture..a confirmation gift from her mother was later passed on to her daughter Mary Princess Royal & among the many gems sold in the late 1960's after her death.....
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 07, 2007, 11:15:23 AM
Thank you ashdean - another fascinating piece of trivia, what a shame it was sold.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on September 07, 2007, 12:20:34 PM
I think this was taken to commemorate her engagement to Prince George. There's an engagement photo series of her and I think this is part of it. I haven't seen actual engagement photos of the two of them, perhaps in deference to Eddy? (Though MF & AIII had photos done)
Title: Queen May's Measurements
Post by: QueenEna1887 on October 07, 2007, 02:47:42 PM
Does anyone know Queen "May's", wife of George V's measurements? Looking through her photos she was quite the curvy one, with the smallest of the smallest waist, the widest of the widest hips, and the fullest of the fullest bosoms. Quite a buxom lady I should say, I hope when Im  through with my teens I have a body like her's.  Plus she was quite statuesque anyone know her actual height from back then?
Title: Re: Queen May's Measurements
Post by: Grace on October 07, 2007, 04:14:04 PM
Dear QueenEna1887, couldn't you have simply asked these questions in the Queen Mary thread? 
Title: Re: Queen May's Measurements
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 07, 2007, 04:23:45 PM
Thank you Grace. Maybe granduchessella would be so kind as to tack this question onto the main May thread.? The forum appears "bity" otherwise. :)
Title: Re: Queen May's Measurements
Post by: QueenEna1887 on October 07, 2007, 04:32:03 PM
Well I couldn't find the Queen Mary thread but since you mentioned I might as well GrandDuchessella.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 08, 2007, 09:46:31 PM
Just bumping up this thread for QueenEna1887. 
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 11, 2007, 09:07:06 AM
I just took delivery of a used book and found a small clipping lodged between two pages.  It said that both King George and Queen Mary were 'helped' to die by doctors.  I am familiar with the story of the King's death being hastened so that the news could meet the deadline for the newspapers, but this is the first I have heard of QM being a similar case.  Has anyone else heard this?  Anyone have more info?

Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: gogm on October 11, 2007, 08:17:44 PM
I know the King's Doctor asked the nurse to make the injection and she refused, so the doctor wound up doing it.

I did not know Mary was euthanized.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: TampaBay on October 12, 2007, 04:56:44 AM
So the mourning peroid would not effect the coronation of QEII.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on October 12, 2007, 09:24:26 AM
Queen Mary, always organized and concerned with the monarchy, had left very specific instructions in her will that her funeral and subsequent mourning period be relatively low-key so that the coronation wouldn't have to be postponed or altered. She turned out to be prescient in that she died just weeks before the coronation.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: QueenEna1887 on October 17, 2007, 02:16:00 PM
Tnanks Emerald Eyes for Bumping this thread up for me.  Like I asked before. Does anyone know May's measurements? She has the most gorgeous figure in her coming out years before she married and had kids, a figure I one day hope to develop into. Does anyone know her height back then?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 17, 2007, 02:28:27 PM
The rough measurements I believe are something like 1m 47cm :o, 40cm, 65cm.  But I could be wrong.   :P ;)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Victor on October 17, 2007, 05:31:27 PM
Wasn't it a massive overdose of heroin and morphene that killed the King?The doctor prepared the syringe and handed it to the nurse,who handed it back saying "Oh no Dr. I couldn't kill the King!They didn't want the King to pass away during the day and the news be announced by the afternoon tabloids nor have men at the pub learn the news and carry on drinking and not take their hats off.So he passed away peacefully during the night and the morning broadsheets informed his subjects.I beleave when administering the dose the doctor said to the King that it would make him "feel better than a week at Bognor Regis."His Majesty groggily replied "Bugger Bognor."Last words.Though I expect the passing was blisssful rather than peaceful.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 17, 2007, 06:38:52 PM
But has anyone heard the story about Queen Mary having had her death hastened?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: QueenEna1887 on October 18, 2007, 12:33:08 AM
Emerald Eyes could you convert her measurements into American measurements?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Grace on October 18, 2007, 06:18:48 AM
American measurements?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Tdora1 on October 18, 2007, 06:44:19 AM
American measurements: Imperial - inches. OK, I'd guess it'd be something like 46-26-38  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Tdora1 on October 18, 2007, 07:10:14 AM
Right then, this is entirely conjecture on my part but its something I have given thought to before. I can't recall where I first read that QM died of lung cancer but given that she spent most of her life in the smoggy smokey London I would think that and her fondness for the Woodbines makes it more than feasible. Her fervent wishes for a trouble-free (to the Crown) end and her experiences with the death of her husband makes me think it quite possible she would have privately agreed with her doctors for her death not to be prolonged.                             *Gets a bit medical now* When someone is dying of a respiratory disorder (and for most lung cancers without early surgery, it is the primary that kills and not secondaries to other organs eg Vicky had breast cancer but it was the spread to her spine - and probably brain - that killed her) then there would be definite indications that death is inevitable and close. Patterns of breathing, called Cheyne-Stokes are a certain sign, as well as increases in signs that oxygen is no longer perfusing the body adequately.                                                                                By now the patient would be slipping in and out of consciousness - and it can happen quite suddenly as if a border had been reached - and soon goes into a coma. Sometimes there is a rattle sound of secretions from the lungs which are not being cleared and remedies for this were available then as now. Narcotics such as morphine depress the respiratory centre in the brain and cause death by its gradual ceasing to send the message to breathe. An overdose is as painless a death as I can imagine or indeed have seen (I was a nurse)                                     
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Tdora1 on October 18, 2007, 07:12:46 AM
And along with her dedication to 'not being a bother' as well her well-known fastidiousness and dislike of illness and sickrooms (oh how she would have hated being an invalid!) all in all I can see that its quite within the realms of possibility that QM may have chosen such a course.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 18, 2007, 08:32:47 AM
Tdora, thank you for the reply.

When it is explained like that, it does make sense to me as well that Queen Mary may have made arrangements well in advance to not prolong her death throes.  I guess these days we would call it a living will.
Also I must mention that I was being entirely facetious earlier in the thread when I posted those measurements.  We really need the smileys back.   :(
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: CountessKate on October 18, 2007, 01:24:06 PM
Actually, I think it's an enormous leap to suggest that because the royal family apparently did not protest the administration, by a doctor, of sufficient drugs to kill George V to time with the publication of the announcement in the Times (
Quote
not
the tabloids - and I agree, very creepy), that Queen Mary would actually commission such a thing in her own case.  The doctor in question, Lord Dawson, was apparently told by Queen Mary and the Prince of Wales that the King's life should not needlessly be prolonged.  There is no evidence that they were aware that Dawson was actually killing him, just that he wasn't to take what I believe is called 'heroic measures' to keep him alive when he was plainly suffering, nor is there any evidence that they knew anything about the timing. 

Queen Mary was a religious woman, with a very high standards of conduct; if she considered abdication a dereliction of duty, surely she would have considered such instructions to Dawson as murder, and do the same in her own case tantamount to suicide? 
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: CountessKate on October 18, 2007, 01:27:51 PM
Sorry - something wierd happened in my post above, perhaps the ghost of Queen Mary turning in her grave - I was trying to say Lord Dawson was interested only in ensuring George V's death was in time for the appropriate announcement in the Times, the tabloids being too lowly for him.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Tdora1 on October 18, 2007, 01:42:03 PM
Countess Kate: of course, yes, that is a very good point indeed. QM became more spiritually inclined during her widowhood. Were there not rumours recently that she may have converted to Roman Catholicism? I recall sreading she allegedly attended a service at a private chapel most mornings, that it was a Catholic chapel and she may have taken communion under the RC rite - andthat she was also meeting an RC (Jesuit?) scholar frequently for lengthy and serious discussions. If this has been discussed before I apologise - all I can recall is that it was mentioned within the last few years somewhere quite reputable but I haven't seen it mentioned since (though of course it may be I haven't seen any recently revised or published/broadcast sources!)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: CountessKate on October 18, 2007, 01:48:40 PM
Interesting, I've never heard about that - though to be honest, it doesn't really seem Queen Mary's style.  But a strong prejudice against self-termination is not the preserve of Catholicism by any means and in any case, wasn't suicide actually illegal up to 1961?  As well as being considered unChristian and probably immoral?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 18, 2007, 02:38:58 PM
Personally I don't think it counts as suicide if you are in the final stages of a terminal illness, but that's another forum...

We must remember that Queen Mary was nothing if not practical.  Maybe she thought it pointless and morbid to linger - she is well-known to have found illness and death distasteful - perhaps she wanted to spare everyone a protracted deathbed vigil if the outcome was inevitable anyway.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Grace on October 18, 2007, 04:27:42 PM
Personally I don't think it counts as suicide if you are in the final stages of a terminal illness, but that's another forum...

We must remember that Queen Mary was nothing if not practical.  Maybe she thought it pointless and morbid to linger - she is well-known to have found illness and death distasteful - perhaps she wanted to spare everyone a protracted deathbed vigil if the outcome was inevitable anyway.

I have to disagree though, as you say, that's another forum!  Taking your life is taking your life, after all, regardless of whether you have been given the diagnosis of a 'terminal' illness nor not.

I don't think Queen Mary was the type of person to allow her or her husband's life to be deliberately terminated.  That's not the same as declining further, perhaps life-prolonging treatment towards the end of one's life though...
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 18, 2007, 04:36:59 PM
It all gets very complicated doesn't it?

I suppose the only people who would have known for sure are all long-dead themselves.  I'm going to have dig out my Pope-Hennessey and see if there is any mention.

Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: gogm on October 18, 2007, 08:48:15 PM
The rough measurements I believe are something like 1m 47cm :o, 40cm, 65cm.  But I could be wrong.   :P ;)

At 2.54 cm to an inch, Mary's measurements would have been about 58-16-26. I have great doubts that was so, no matter how well endowed and how corseted she was! :D
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on October 18, 2007, 10:01:30 PM
Sorry - something wierd happened in my post above, perhaps the ghost of Queen Mary turning in her grave - I was trying to say Lord Dawson was interested only in ensuring George V's death was in time for the appropriate announcement in the Times, the tabloids being too lowly for him.

That was only part of it. The other was the King had been in perpetual pain since his accident in 1917 and had suffered greatly from illnesses (especially in 1928 where the death bulletins were being prepared) for over a decade. This one put him in agony and he was not going to recover period. There's no doubt that the family wanted to release of the information to be dignified but they didn't do anything but hasten the inevitable by a few hours and spare the man some pain. He was already on a tremendous amount of medication.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: CountessKate on October 19, 2007, 05:39:02 AM
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There's no doubt that the family wanted to release of the information to be dignified but they didn't do anything but hasten the inevitable by a few hours and spare the man some pain. He was already on a tremendous amount of medication.

There's actually no evidence that the royal family had any idea other than the peaceful ending of George V's life.  Anything to do with the papers, and the actual delivery of quantities of drugs causing the king to die at that particular stage, appear to arise from Dawson's own agenda (according to his own notes which are the only remaining testimony to what occurred). 

With regard to Queen Mary's death, Pope-Hennessey has nothing whatsoever to say about the actual causes of death, or about any medication she might have received, still less that she might have instructed her doctors to do something about it that there is no evidence she actually did in her husband's case.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on October 19, 2007, 08:49:46 PM
I merely meant that the family (like any family in their position) would want the information released in a dignified way--euthanasia issue or not. There had been anxious crowds gathering outside the gates for days and the family was very good about releasing updates, including the famous 'The King's life is moving peacefully to its close'.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on October 19, 2007, 09:24:58 PM
There's an auction at Christie's of items that had belonged to Angela Lascelles (Princess Mary's daughter-in-law) that include many items that once belonged to Queen Mary:

(http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lotfinderimages/d49813/d4981319x.jpg)

QUEEN MARY'S CHINESE STYLE COAT AND SKIRT A TURQUOISE SILK COAT IN THE CHINESE STYLE
A lady's silk overcoat, remade from a Chinese Imperial-style robe, incorporating eight roundels embroidered with five-toed dragons, labelled Reville, Paris, London to the interior pocket and 'H.M. The Queen'; and an associated pale lemon apron skirt, altered with wadding, appliqued embroidery, and the remains of fur trim 
 
Reville, the London couture house was founded in 1906 by William Reville. In 1910, it was appointed Court Dressmaker for the Queen's Coronation robes. In 1936, Reville merged with the House of Worth. The 1920s saw a revival in exotic influences from Japan and China amongst women of style; Queen Mary wore a very similar overcoat on the occassion of her first visit to a cinema with H.M. King George V in 1924.
 
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on October 19, 2007, 09:27:23 PM
(http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lotfinderimages/d49813/d4981325x.jpg)

QUEEN MARY'S STOCKINGS A PAIR OF SILK STOCKINGS
Of shell pink, worked with the crowned cypher of Queen Mary; and two pairs of moss green silk stockings with laundry label monogrammed 'M'
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on October 19, 2007, 09:29:18 PM
(http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lotfinderimages/d49813/d4981315x.jpg)

QUEEN MARY'S HANDKERCHIEFS A COLLECTION OF FINE LACE EDGED HANDKERCHIEFS
All delicately embroidered with initials 'M' or 'VM' below a crown either when Princess of Wales or Queen Consort, one embroidered with Queen Mary's signature, together with an annotated card in ink '1 real lace handkerchief belonged to Her Majesty Queen Mary; 1 real lace handkerchief belonged to the Duchess of Teck'
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on October 19, 2007, 09:30:47 PM
(http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lotfinderimages/d49813/d4981313x.jpg)

QUEEN MARY'S HANDKERCHIEFS
A COLLECTION OF TWENTY-EIGHT LADIES' HANDKERCHIEFS
Of fine cotton and linen, all monogrammed with an initial 'M' or 'VM' below a crown, some with lace detail; two dark ribbed silk scarves, also monogrammed; and a silk handkerchief case
 
This collection of ladies' handkerchiefs includes examples monogrammed with H.M. Queen Mary's cypher as the Duchess of Cornwall and York, Princess of Wales and as Queen Consort.
 
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on October 19, 2007, 09:31:46 PM
Some of Queen Mary's beloved jade

(http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lotfinderimages/d49813/d4981321x.jpg)

QUEEN MARY'S DESK SEAL A NEPHRITE JADE MOUNTED QUARTZ SEAL
Circa 1920
Carved with foliage, the underside engraved 'VM' beneath a crown, in a velvet and silk-lined box inscribed '128 NEW BOND ST, LONDON, W, FRANK HYMANS LD, FROM DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND'
2½in. (6.5cm.) high
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Tdora1 on October 20, 2007, 08:38:57 AM
Interesting how the colour of the adapted Chinese 'coat' - which I think looks quite striking but would need a figure of definitive personage and style to carry off - seems to match the jade pieces. I think these more subtle shades of green (jade, sage etc) can be immensely flattering to the right colouring (eg the Yorks) but it seems green still has many of its old associations with bad luck and so there is prejudice against it to this day even. Its rather difficult when a colour suits you but its a colour you don't care for: QM and mourning black springs to mind. She hated the mourning weeds but black flattered her well when younger. For me, its very pale pink/peach - not at all the girly colour I like but it does like me (and its a great help to the sallow and aging complexion...) For me, the great frustration of b/w photography is not being able to see the shades and colours in QM's clothes which so often hint at gauzey layers and subtleties of edgings and trim and altogether really pretty ensembles. I understand she was fond of a particular shade of blue but haven't seen any example ot it....
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Mari on November 01, 2007, 03:23:48 AM
I hope this hasn't been posted, I found a funny anecdote on Queen Mary!

Queen Mary:

Toward the end of her life, Queen Mary (wife of George V) came to possess a Russian ikon of great beauty but unknown origin. A concerted effort was made to establish its provenance, to no avail...

"Then someone in her Household recollected that there was a Russian princess - a cousin of the British Royal Family - still living in the London suburb whither she had fled to escape the Bolsheviks in 1917. Possibly she would know something about the ikon. Queen Mary concurred and at once wrote to the Princess, inviting her to tea.
The Princess, who had lived 30 years in poverty and obscurity, resigned to the ostracism of her Windsor cousins, was overjoyed. Her joy increased at the tea party, as Queen Mary spoke to her kindly about her parents and relations and the dear dead days under the Tsar. At long last, her wanderings and loneliness seemed to have come to an end. Then Queen Mary brought out the ikon and asked if he knew anything about it.

"The Princess took the ikon and pressed it to her heart. She did, indeed, know something about it. She said it was the very ikon given to her at her baptism - the ikon which hung over her bed through her early childhood and to which, each night, she had said her prayers. It was the ikon to which she had prayed for deliverance on the night the Bolsheviks broke into her house, killing her father and mother, her brothers and sisters. It was the ikon she had gone back into the blazing house to rescue, and had carried with her through her long years as a refugee, her sole source of beauty and inspiration until hunger and cold had at last forced her to sell it for a few pennies. Even now, in her illness and despair, its sacred, fragile loveliness still haunted her dreams. The ikon had saved her life. The ikon was her life.

"'I see,' Queen Mary said, taking the ikon smartly back. 'Thank you so much for identifying it.'"

http://anecdotage.com/browse.php?category=people&who=Mary
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on November 01, 2007, 11:51:00 AM
I don't think it's particularly funny and I believe it's probably one of those apocryphal stories (sometimes untrue) to 'illustrate' the grasping nature of Queen Mary. A similar story has made the rounds regarding a photo frame variously attributed to Olga and Xenia both. I mean, who is this 'Princess' supposed to be who was also a cousin of the royal family? All the cousins were Grand Duchesses, not Princesses (unless you stretch it to include the daughters of Xenia or Grand Duchess George aka Greek Minny) and the description:

"It was the ikon to which she had prayed for deliverance on the night the Bolsheviks broke into her house, killing her father and mother, her brothers and sisters. It was the ikon she had gone back into the blazing house to rescue, and had carried with her through her long years as a refugee, her sole source of beauty and inspiration until hunger and cold had at last forced her to sell it for a few pennies. "

Who does this even describe? Certainly no Romanov I can think of.

It's stories like these, which seem to be completely false, which do so much damage and yet they keep getting repeated.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: ashdean on November 01, 2007, 11:53:08 AM
I hope this hasn't been posted, I found a funny anecdote on Queen Mary!

Queen Mary:

Toward the end of her life, Queen Mary (wife of George V) came to possess a Russian ikon of great beauty but unknown origin. A concerted effort was made to establish its provenance, to no avail...

"Then someone in her Household recollected that there was a Russian princess - a cousin of the British Royal Family - still living in the London suburb whither she had fled to escape the Bolsheviks in 1917. Possibly she would know something about the ikon. Queen Mary concurred and at once wrote to the Princess, inviting her to tea.
The Princess, who had lived 30 years in poverty and obscurity, resigned to the ostracism of her Windsor cousins, was overjoyed. Her joy increased at the tea party, as Queen Mary spoke to her kindly about her parents and relations and the dear dead days under the Tsar. At long last, her wanderings and loneliness seemed to have come to an end. Then Queen Mary brought out the ikon and asked if he knew anything about it.

"The Princess took the ikon and pressed it to her heart. She did, indeed, know something about it. She said it was the very ikon given to her at her baptism - the ikon which hung over her bed through her early childhood and to which, each night, she had said her prayers. It was the ikon to which she had prayed for deliverance on the night the Bolsheviks broke into her house, killing her father and mother, her brothers and sisters. It was the ikon she had gone back into the blazing house to rescue, and had carried with her through her long years as a refugee, her sole source of beauty and inspiration until hunger and cold had at last forced her to sell it for a few pennies. Even now, in her illness and despair, its sacred, fragile loveliness still haunted her dreams. The ikon had saved her life. The ikon was her life.

"'I see,' Queen Mary said, taking the ikon smartly back. 'Thank you so much for identifying it.'"

http://anecdotage.com/browse.php?category=people&who=Mary

Sounds very far fetched to me !!!!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on November 15, 2007, 01:55:17 PM
Dear Poster,

My post go up and down as you probably noticed. My last post has been a while. But I don’t have the time to post that much like before. But here is one nice little letter written to Queen Mary by young Princess Elizabeth when she was five years old. So adorable and sweet, I just had to post them! (Maybe their where posted before, but a little of the same never hurt some body.) There is a link to the site of the BBC where you can read more about this letter to granny. And their are two other letters on the site to! So  here is the link and two nice pictures of a young princess Elizabeth in a carriage, with her mother, grandmother, little sister and dear aunt Marina.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/_41692756_letter.jpg)
Much greetings from the Netherlands, Royal Netherlands that is! ; )

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/25849.jpg)

 (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/SR4016.jpg)

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/5021174.stm
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on November 18, 2007, 12:51:15 PM
Lovely pictures thank you RN. This is a lovely one and I don't recognise the tiara either..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Queenmaryformalportrait.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Queenmaryformalportrait.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Martyn on November 19, 2007, 07:47:25 AM
Lovely pictures thank you RN. This is a lovely one and I don't recognise the tiara either..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Queenmaryformalportrait.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Queenmaryformalportrait.jpg)

It's from the Cambridge sapphire parure, which came to her from Aunt Augusta and which she passed on to Marina.  There has been some discussion as to whether this tiara is still in the possession of the Kent family...........
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: QueenEna1887 on February 22, 2008, 06:00:36 PM
How tall was May? She looked to be about 5'10 or so in her heydey.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Grace on February 23, 2008, 04:46:14 PM
Most accounts I've read of her height put her at about 5'7".
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on February 23, 2008, 06:22:40 PM
George V was 5'7", I believe, and I think they were the same height. She gave the impression of being taller than him because of her piled hair, erect carriage and the oft-present tiara or toque.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on February 24, 2008, 10:00:52 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/0208B078-1.jpg)

A lovely picture taken of darling 'May' around her engagement to George (I suppose), or maybe to his brother Albert Victor. Does anyone recognise the ring? Is it a engagement ring? Here is the link, fore a more closer look!
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/0208B078-1.jpg
Wishing al the best. From the Netherlands…

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on February 24, 2008, 01:33:21 PM
Based on some of the descriptions of her engagement rings, I don't think that it's one of them. However, it is very unusual to see Queen Mary so fully displaying her 'Wurttemberg hands'.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Svetabel on February 25, 2008, 12:49:00 AM
However, it is very unusual to see Queen Mary so fully displaying her 'Wurttemberg hands'.

And to our modern point of view I don't see anything wrong with these hands :). Seems Princesses Victoria and Maud were just snobs in this question when they were making fun of Mary's hands.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Grace on February 25, 2008, 01:22:43 AM
The hands (or rather hand) look normal to me too - great photo of May!  Though I don't think Maud was involved in the disparaging comments about May - supposedly these were made by Louise and Toria.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Michael II on February 25, 2008, 12:24:43 PM
Princess Louise Duchess of Fife was known for saying "Poor May and her Wurttemberg hands" when she was upset at Queen Mary.  Also Princess
Victoria once stated to a person assigned to sit next to Princess May then duchess of York "Do try an talk to May though one knows she is deadly dull."
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 25, 2008, 12:33:58 PM
Thats right! I've always found Victorias comment suprising. I think May, with her knowledge of History and Florence, would have been fascinating to talk too!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: joan_d on February 25, 2008, 02:37:28 PM
What are "Wuttenberg Hands" - if they are hands like bunches of bananas, Prince Charles certainly has inherited them !!!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 25, 2008, 02:45:50 PM
Apparently it was in reference to Queen Marys morganatic lineage.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on February 25, 2008, 09:04:46 PM
Yes, but the Wurttemburg side was one of her royal sides! I think it was just a slight on what the Wales sisters considered her large hands. She was known to be very sensitive about them and that's why you hardly ever see such a great shot of them--they are always in gloves, in her lap, holding a fan or something else.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 25, 2008, 09:21:03 PM
Hi,

If I was at a royal dinner party with this bunch, I'd gladly sit with Queen Mary instead of those 'deadly dreary Wales girls' as I've seen them discribed.  Even QV thought they were all an "anemic lot" and that's one reason she picked May Teck to marry her grandson(s)....

Larry
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Grace on February 26, 2008, 03:04:08 AM
I agree to a point, but it wasn't really the fault of the Wales girls that they were not well educated nor, it seems, given enough to do to engage their time wisely.  Also, I don't think we've really got to the bottom of their supposed health problems either - whether they really had them or whether they were encouraged to have them but I do feel sorry for these girls - they could have been so much more than they ever became - perhaps even Maud, who was obviously the most accomplished of the three. 

I agree wholeheartedly with you on QV's choice of May for Eddy and subsequently George, though.  What a wise and forward-looking person QV was.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: CountessKate on February 26, 2008, 10:13:22 AM
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I agree wholeheartedly with you on QV's choice of May for Eddy and subsequently George, though.  What a wise and forward-looking person QV was.

I think QV was lucky with Eddy/George/May, not wise/forward-looking.  Her first choice for Eddy was Alix, who was not interested in him and who would not have made a very good Princess of Wales, Queen, or wife for either Eddy or George, admittedly my personal view.  Her choice of Ernst of Hesse-Darmstadt and Victoria Melita of Edinburgh as marriage material was a disaster.  Generally, her matchmaking was a bit hit-or-miss.  But May was definitely a hit.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 26, 2008, 10:45:35 AM
Hi Grace & Kate,

Yes, I agree that the Wales girls unfortunate position was not their fault.  I think their mother wanted to keep them "in diapers" too long and thus they were stiffled...

And, QV was lucky in her choice of May;  but she wanted her for health and educational reasons.  I have read (in "Matriarch" I believe) that QV was most impressed by Princess Mary Adelaide, whom she deemed "Healthy as a horse"..
She commented that MA could outwalk and out dance anyone at Court, even though she was overweight.  And, it didn't hurt that she was popular too!!
Even though May was shy, QV ascertained during a visit to Balmoral that the Princess was very intelligent  -  just what Eddie needed!!  And, Georgie too, I guess!

We can only wonder at what would happen to the British monarchy had Eddie lived and married Alix - stupid hemophaeliacs!!
Cruel, I know, but possibly true.
Forgive me -  :-[

Larry
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Grace on February 27, 2008, 12:44:31 AM
I don't agree that QV was just 'lucky' with May, Countess Kate - she observed her quite closely after inviting her to Balmoral for ten days in 1891 as Larry said and was very taken by her 'suitability'.  She wrote in detail about her impressions both to May's mother Mary Adelaide and to Vicky in Germany.  How is that just 'lucky'?

QV did have fond hopes that Eddy or George would marry Alix of Hesse but she expressed those as far back as 1887 when 'Alicky' was only 15 years old - before she'd developed the unfortunate religious fervour and melancholic outlook that made her such a disaster later on.  

Eddy was not stupid - even QV said that and she knew him - we didn't but, yes, I forgive you Larry!
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Michael II on March 12, 2008, 09:59:41 AM
I was just wondering what the relationship between Queen Mary and her sister-in-laws was?  I know she and Princess Alice seemed rather close but have never read anything concerning she and Margaret Marchioness of Cambridge.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on March 12, 2008, 04:53:23 PM
I believe they got along well--the Teck/Cambridges seem to have always been around the Court, though Adolphous was stationed overseas for good chunks of time. I have some info on her somewhere--I'll try to dig some of it  out when I'm home.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on April 21, 2008, 03:57:40 PM
Telegram (it looks like to her brother 'Dolly') announcing her engagement to George

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/9000101.jpg)

Handkerchief carried by QM on her wedding day

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/120026.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on April 21, 2008, 04:05:54 PM
Figurines from the main wedding cake

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/55090.jpg)

and part of the main cake itself

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/2940433.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on April 21, 2008, 04:14:08 PM
Queen Mary with her granddaughter Elizabeth, her brother 'Alge', King George's nasty tempered parrot Charlottte and the King's dog 'Snip'

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/2304091e.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 21, 2008, 08:27:13 PM
Queen Mary's maternal grandmother, Augusta Wilhelmina Louisa of Cambridge, Grand Duchess of Mecklenburg-Strelitz ... she was a granddaughter of King George III.  * Does anyone know where the picture was taken? I've seen the same backdrop in other photos as well

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3362/augustawilhelminalouisari9.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 21, 2008, 08:43:49 PM
Queen Mary with her 2 eldest sons - 1898
(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4250/maydavidandbertie1898me2.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on April 21, 2008, 09:06:43 PM
Queen Mary's maternal grandmother, Augusta Wilhelmina Louisa of Cambridge, Grand Duchess of Mecklenburg-Strelitz ... she was a granddaughter of King George III.  * Does anyone know where the picture was taken? I've seen the same backdrop in other photos as well

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3362/augustawilhelminalouisari9.jpg)


It was her maternal grandmother, but it was her aunt Augusta (August Jr) who was the Grand Duchess of Mecklenburg-Strelitz. Augusta Sr born a Princess of Hesse-Cassel and was the aunt of Queen Louise of Denmark (mother of Queen Alexandra) being sister to Louise's father. Another sister, Marie, was the Grand Duchess of Mecklenburg-Strelitz and thus Augusta Jr married her first cousin.

Augusta Jr has a thread:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,8680.0.html

as does the Cambridge/Teck family:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,9826.0.html

and Princess Mary Adelaide

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,5733.0.html

Perhaps the stairway was a prop brought by the photographer? Lafayette had traveling backgrounds, for instance. Or it was taken at Kensington Palace, St James's or Cambridge Cottage at Kew, all where the Duchess lived? Most likely though it was taken at the studio of the photographer, Camille Silvy who operated a studio at 38, Porchester Terrace, London.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 23, 2008, 06:44:01 PM
GrandDuchessElla, I always wanted to know which Mary of Teck this was?  She resembles Queen Mary so much ! 

(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5364/2ndfavoritebx6.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on April 24, 2008, 09:46:18 AM
It's her niece, the daughter of her brother Adolphus 'Dolly' and Margaret, daughter of the Duke of Westminster. She later married the future 10th Duke of Beaufort. She was a great favorite of her aunt Mary and uncle George and she was able to get him to relax in ways that his own children couldn't. After 1917, she became Lady Mary Cambridge. I think it was she that Queen Mary stayed with for part of the war. She was a visible presence in many royal weddings (first as bridesmaid and later as guest) and events. She didn't have any children.

There might be more of her on the Teck/Cambridge thread which is devoted to her family.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 24, 2008, 04:07:16 PM
It's her niece, the daughter of her brother Adolphus 'Dolly' and Margaret, daughter of the Duke of Westminster. She later married the future 10th Duke of Beaufort. She was a great favorite of her aunt Mary and uncle George and she was able to get him to relax in ways that his own children couldn't. After 1917, she became Lady Mary Cambridge. I think it was she that Queen Mary stayed with for part of the war. She was a visible presence in many royal weddings (first as bridesmaid and later as guest) and events. She didn't have any children.

There might be more of her on the Teck/Cambridge thread which is devoted to her family.

Thanks again ! :)  ... I really wanted to know for sure, too many Marys * frustrating *
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 27, 2008, 01:23:08 PM
I had to fix this one up a little bit ....  :)
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5519/beautifulmaryuh6.jpg
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 27, 2008, 03:40:26 PM
Duchess of Cornwall & York c1901 from the Illustrated London News
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Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: carl fraley on May 18, 2008, 03:25:37 AM
When HM Queen elizabeth the Queen Mother died,  I vividly remember Prince Charles moving speech on tv about his grandmother,  I know the Queen is a firm believer in keeping her emotions to herself, but has her Majesty The Queen every given any speech or interview where she talked about her Grandmother or how much she loved her?  Have any of HM Queen mary's children ever said anything about her officially.... She was Such a Wonderful/formidable woman.... hard not to be impressed...  imo
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 18, 2008, 09:46:51 AM
I think only David spoke (or rather wrote) about her in his autobiography--axe-grinding one might call it. I'm not sure what the Harewood grandsons might have said--the Earl wrote his autobiography but I've never read it.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 21, 2008, 05:41:59 PM
Queen Mary's WW2 ID card is up for sale

From The Times:

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An identity card issued to Queen Mary in the Second World War is to be sold at auction. The National Registration card, numbered ODPH/180/1 and issued on May 22, 1940, is signed “Mary, Her Majesty Queen”. The Queen, the widow of George V, would have had several of the documents, requiring a new one each time she moved, and this one shows she had just moved from Badminton House, Gloucestershire, to Marlborough House, London. The three-page document survived only because an Army officer assigned to shred cards after the war decided to keep it as a memento. Hanson's auctioneers of Lichfield, Staffordshire, expect it to fetch £500.

Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Tdora1 on May 21, 2008, 06:53:57 PM
GDE - I recall that the current Earl of Harewood (Princess Mary's elder son) interviewed about 10 years ago for a Uk TV thingy on the Windsors remarked that his mother 'hated' York Cottage, to which he added: "and I suspect Queen Mary did too!" He said this with a sad little smile - as if there was more to be said but he wouldn't commit himself. I think he steeled himself "not to let daylight in on the magic:" in this case QM's frustrations with her domestic set-up (especially pre-1910) and difficulties (although admirably understood and managed) in her differences with the emphatic character and tastes of her husband. He also mentioned how he felt an almost subconscious but nonetheless distinct difference in the affection and attention the 2 boys received from QM compared to their cousins, particularly the York princesses. This, he said, was almost certainly because "they were so much nearer the throne than us..."  Me, i cannot help wonder if their father becoming increasingly over-bearing and more-royal-than-royalty had perhaps a little contributory something to do with any perceptable coolness felt by the Lascelles boys? Family visits - what with them all rubbing elbows in the cramped confines of "that dreadful little villa" - must have touched some nerves at the best of times.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on May 21, 2008, 07:18:24 PM
Yes, I think it's pretty understood QM didn't like York Cottage at all.  :-X She not only had it decorated by her 'helpful' MIL for her, she was stuck in it for 32 years! By the time they could move into the 'Big House', the children were all grown and it wasn't as pressing.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Tdora1 on June 05, 2008, 03:40:58 PM
Yes, I think it's pretty understood QM didn't like York Cottage at all.  :-X She not only had it decorated by her 'helpful' MIL for her, she was stuck in it for 32 years! By the time they could move into the 'Big House', the children were all grown and it wasn't as pressing.
Yes, and Georgie, meaning so well, going along with Motherdear's plans and ordering heaps of mass-produced furniture from Maples. I Can you see it? - the hot, dusty, exhausting journey back to Sandringham from London on the wedding day (apparently May's cream poplin 'going-away' costume was a sticky grey by the time they arrived).  The parade of staff to meet and greet. And then. The Housekeeper and a pleased-as-Punch Georgie give the Grand Tour....
Title: clever Queen Mary!
Post by: tom_romanov on July 24, 2008, 05:36:23 AM
as most royal fans know in her later years Queen Mary favored her trademark toque hat and parasol/umbrella. was the umbrella/parasol a fashion statement or a clever way of helping the ageing Queen Mary to keep steady on her feet?   would like to know what you think!
Title: Re: clever Queen Mary!
Post by: Grace on July 24, 2008, 04:11:44 PM
She wore toques and carried parasols long before she was in her old age, Tom.  I doubt they were a "fashion statement" either - just the look she preferred.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 20, 2008, 07:18:38 AM
I thought this was an interesting recollection from the late Sir Edward Ford (such a nice man by all accounts), the Queen's former assistant private secretary.

It was Ford who broke the news of George VI's death to both Queen Mary and Winston Churchill. Half a century on, he recalled: "The king's body had been discovered that morning by his valet, in his bedroom at Sandringham. We had a codeword for this eventuality, which was 'Hyde Park Gardens'. The king's private secretary telephoned me and said simply 'Hyde Park Gardens, tell Queen Mary and the prime minister.' The codeword meant that the king was dead, but I knew no more.

"It was 9.15 in the morning and I found Churchill in bed, with Foreign Office papers strewn all round. I said, 'Prime minister, I've got bad news for you. The king died last night.' 'Bad news, the worst,' Churchill replied. He slumped as a man in shock, clearly deeply affected. He then thrust his papers aside, saying, 'How unimportant these matters seem.' I then had to tell Queen Mary. 'What a shock,' she said to me. 'What a shock'."
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: grandduchessella on August 20, 2008, 09:02:46 AM
And how many sudden deaths she'd already suffered--her mother, her brother Frank, her son John, her son George, her nephew Rupert and so on.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 20, 2008, 11:27:33 AM
That's true. Interestingly James Pope Hennessey noted that Grand Duchess Augusta missed all the deaths of her nearest and dearest...
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: CountessKate on August 22, 2008, 11:47:18 AM
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as most royal fans know in her later years Queen Mary favored her trademark toque hat and parasol/umbrella. was the umbrella/parasol a fashion statement or a clever way of helping the ageing Queen Mary to keep steady on her feet?   would like to know what you think!

She wore toques and carried parasols long before she was in her old age, Tom.  I doubt they were a "fashion statement" either - just the look she preferred.

There is a wonderful picture at the bottom of this page:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=3783.45
showing her as Duchess of York in about 1900 clearly with her toque and parasol  (the toque more flowery and feathery than later models, but still pretty much a toque) - she looked elegant, but was absolutely not a fashion leader nor considered so even then.  As Grace says, this was the look she was comfortable with and which suited her.  The parasols/umbrellas (as it was not done to carry a parsol in winter) I think at least began as something to do with her hands - much like the present Queen's handbag.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 22, 2008, 03:45:50 PM
That's true. Interestingly James Pope Hennessey noted that Grand Duchess Augusta missed all the deaths of her nearest and dearest...

Yes interesting indeed Eddieboy, Aunt Augusta really had a talent fore missing out on that. I'm reading the biography on Queen Mary written by James Pope Hennessey at the moment. And I absolutely love it! I almost finished it but I wish the book was another 1000 pages. I admire Queen Mary so much more and she is now at the top list of my favorite royals. And dear Aunt Augusta with her sharp tonque and her marvelous intelligent character is on the same list, the both stole my heart. I like Queen Mary even more because we share the same love of (family) history, art, the social factor and collecting and making cataloques of these items. I did this even before I knew Queen Mary excisted, but I dont have to exaggerate about it offcourse. But I mean I would love to hang out whit May and have a talk! :P

The most beatifull line that hit me, was from one of here letters to Lady Mount Stephen when she talks about her family items or just about her marvelous collection of items:

'It always seems strange to me that there can be people to whom these things mean & say nothing to them, I confess I pity them as they miss much in life.'

I read it outlout to my grandmother and she justed said to me: ' Dear, she was a person you and I could talk to, she is a lady from my heart.'
My grandmother and I to share a passion fore collecting, history and family items, and May is so right it truly is a way to make life bigger and more interesting. So I'm going to write Queen Mary's inspiration line on a piece of paper then frame it and look at it with much appreciation as much as I can.

With love from my country,

RN



Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 25, 2008, 12:55:12 PM
 
                                       (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/66_03_100-1.jpg)

                                                                   ''Queen Mary is not amused!''
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: tom_romanov on August 25, 2008, 01:49:13 PM

                                       (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/66_03_100-1.jpg)

                                                                   ''Queen Mary is not amused!''


Lol  :D  are then any photos out there of Queen Mary smiling?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 25, 2008, 02:28:27 PM
Certainly their are photos of Queen Mary smilling!

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/2301_13_30.jpg)

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Queen Mary talks to her grandaughter princess Elizabeth (Queen Elizabeth II) with a smile, the year is 1948. I wonder were the talk about?
Lets make a contest of it! The person who makes up the most funniets conversation between granny and granddaughter or has a suggestion about what the say wins a price. Looking forward to youre creative answers, come on let those creative minds go to work!

RN
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Gabriella on August 25, 2008, 03:06:02 PM
What about this: Queen Mary laughing.

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/smilingQM.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: tom_romanov on August 25, 2008, 03:11:02 PM
ok here its goes - (it's very bad but it is 9pm and im tired) -

1st photo- (elizabeth has brought her gandmother out for a day at the races ) (she see a guard who's kilt has blown up in the wind) ( she smiles)
2nd -  E -  Grandmama look over there i've just seen a mans naked behind
3rd -  QM - really ! ( she giggles) how amusing!
          E- it reminds me of the other day when i saw Philip in the shower
4th- QM - PHILLIP IN  THE SHOWER !!! ( she laughs out loud at this thought)
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: heavensent on April 15, 2010, 03:24:27 PM


Mary's  mother.... the Duchess of Teck.... was the grand daughter of King George 3rd  !
As these pictures show, she was not the most attractive middle aged lady.....
in fact , it begs the question... how did she produce such a lovely and attractive daughter
as  Mary proved to be
go here
http://celebheaven.freepowerboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=130&p=651#p651




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Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Grace on April 15, 2010, 04:00:47 PM
It is hard to tell, but quite a few people in Mary Adelaide's day considered her very attractive in her younger years, even given her very large size.  She was apparently a good deal fairer than her photos show.  

We should be continuing this discussion on Queen Mary Part 4....
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: heavensent on April 15, 2010, 06:17:25 PM
chopping up these threads drives me mad
part 3 part 4 ....  wot is the  point ?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: heavensent on April 15, 2010, 06:20:12 PM
 the Duchess of Teck is of course  our Queen's great grandmother !

In her more recent photos the Queen has been reminding me more and more
not of  Elizabeth Bowes Lyon .... her own mother...
but  of  Queen Mary... her grandmother  !
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 15, 2010, 06:36:03 PM
The point is try to keep the tiopic not that large. Please refrain to continue this discussion in Queen Mary 4.
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: heavensent on April 15, 2010, 06:50:20 PM
and where pray is... queen mary  4  ?

would nt it be an idea  to post  a http to   qm  part  4  and then lock   qm  part  3  ?
Title: Re: Queen Mary Pt 3
Post by: kmerov on April 15, 2010, 07:10:26 PM
and where pray is... queen mary  4  ?

would nt it be an idea  to post  a http to   qm  part  4  and then lock   qm  part  3  ?

Queen Mary part 4 thread is just a little further down on page 1.

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=11979.0