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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Wittlesbachs => Topic started by: Chris_H on July 31, 2005, 11:47:00 AM

Title: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Chris_H on July 31, 2005, 11:47:00 AM
Does anyone has any good pictures of Maximilian, father of Ludwig and Otto?
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Chris_H on July 31, 2005, 01:20:14 PM
thanks thomas for the pictures, if my memory is correct I believe that Max came from the Palatine-zweibrucken line of the Wittelsbachs, the last Wittelsbach of the Bavarian branch was the prince elector Maximilian who ruled Bavaria from 1745-1777.
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Mischa on July 31, 2005, 02:13:40 PM
Hi Thomas, Hi Joseph,

there is a mistake. The pictures show King Maximilian I. His surving sons were King Ludwig I and Prince Karl. Ludwig I was the father of King Maximilian II (And also the father of Otto I of Greece and Princeregent Luitpold)
And Ludwig II and King Otto I of Bavaria were the sons of Maximilian II.

Greetings from Munichj

M.
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Chris_H on July 31, 2005, 02:35:31 PM
Hi Mischa, thank you for pointing that out for me, sometimes it is hard to keep track of the Wittelsbach family tree and its many members!  Hope all is well in Munich!  
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Chris_H on August 01, 2005, 08:19:21 AM
wow Thomas, those pictures are great!  Where did you find them, if you don't mind me asking?
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Chris_H on August 02, 2005, 08:23:00 AM
ah google, thanks Thomas, ;D  One of my dreams is to go to Munich, explore all the palaces, churches & museums and to the town where my family, the Kaisers lived.  That for me would be very exciting
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Chris_H on August 04, 2005, 05:46:59 PM
I am sorry to hear that about the Residence, one day I will go and explore the sites.  I also want to go and solve the mystery of my great, great, great grandmother (enough greats I think) Geneva Hausle Kaiser with what really happened to her.  She was the reason why my family immigrated to the United States.  But Munich I will go for the history and art.  
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: cantacuzene on August 05, 2005, 04:30:28 AM
Thomas, thnk you, lovely pictures. Thank you very much
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on August 05, 2005, 03:34:55 PM
I visited the Residenz in Munich yesterday. I heard that after WW II only 50mē were still covered, the rest was destroyed.

The rooms are quite empty, most of the furniture were brought to Munich from other castles, because the original ones were also destroyed. Nevertheless, there are a lot of wonderful portraits.
To sum up, the rooms look extremely artificial after the restoration.

I quite like the so-called "Allerheiligenhofkirche" in the northern (?) part of the Residenz. This church was also destroyed, but is now open to the public again. Today it isn't a church anymore, but a place for public events.
Empress Elisabeth of Austria's sisters Marie (Queen of Neaples) and Mathilde (Trani) married in the Allerheiligenhofkirche in the 19. century.

Marie Charlotte
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Yseult on October 25, 2006, 02:40:58 PM
Iīm surprised! There are a good collection of threads about the Wittelsbach, but I havenīt found a thread focused on Maria of Prussia, the wife of king Maximilian II, mother of Ludwig II and Otto, briefly king of Greece. It seems to me that she was a very interesting lady, with a great social engagement and equally loved by protestants (she was raised as a protestant) and catholics (she converted after the death of her husband).

This is the portraits I have found:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/vanozzacatanei/MariePrussiaBavaria.jpg)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/vanozzacatanei/MarieofPrussiaqueenofBavaria.jpg)

Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Daniela on October 26, 2006, 01:32:39 AM
Quote
Iīm surprised! There are a good collection of threads about the Wittelsbach, but I havenīt found a thread focused on Maria of Prussia, the wife of king Maximilian II, mother of Ludwig II and Otto, briefly king of Greece. It seems to me that she was a very interesting lady, with a great social engagement and equally loved by protestants (she was raised as a protestant) and catholics (she converted after the death of her husband).

Marie's son Otto wasn't king of Greece, since he was mentaly ill; her brother in law was king of Greece!

Daniela
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 26, 2006, 05:38:43 AM
Here are some more details about Queen Marie's family:

Marie Friederike Franziska Auguste Hedwig was the youngest daughter of Prince Friedrich Wilhelm Karl of Prussia (1783-1851) and his wife Marie Anne Landgravine of Hesse-Homburg (1785-1846).

Marie's siblings were:

- Amalie Friederike Luise Caroline Wilhelmine (1805-1806)
- Irene (1806)
- stillborn son (1809)
- Friedrich Tassilo Wilhelm (1811-1813)
- Heinrich Wilhelm Adalbert (1811-1873); married to Therese Elssler (later Frau von Barnim, 1808-1884)
- Friedrich Wilhelm Tassilo (1813-1814)
- Marie Elisabeth Caroline Viktoria (1815-1885); married to Karl Prince of Hesse and the Rhine (1809-1877)
- Friedrich Wilhelm Waldemar (1817-1849)

... as you can see, only three of her siblings survived.


Marie was married to Maximilian II. Joseph of Bavaria (1811-1864) and had two sons:
Ludwig II. (1845-1886) and Otto I. (1848-1916)



Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 26, 2006, 05:45:34 AM

Here are some more pictures:  ;)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/marianne01.jpg)

Marie Anna Princess of Prussia and her sons Adalbert and Waldemar - mother and brothers of Queen Marie

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/marie_elisabeth01.jpg)

Princess Marie and her elder sister Princess Elisabeth

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/marie03.jpg)

Marie (sitting) with sister Elisabeth and brother Adalbert
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 26, 2006, 05:46:33 AM

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/marie02.jpg)

Crownprincess Marie by Joseph Karl Stieler
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 26, 2006, 05:49:21 AM

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/max_marie02.jpg)

Marie and her husband Maximilian

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/luitpold_marie01.jpg)

Marie and her brother-in-law Prince Luitpold

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/marie01.jpg)

Marie died at Schloss Hohenschwangau on May 17th 1889



Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: umigon on November 02, 2006, 06:07:45 AM


About Marie I read that she was not very well educated, and that she was very proud of not having read a single book (except those about religion), in her entire life...
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Rani on February 02, 2010, 02:32:28 PM
(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy328/heleneinbayern/0286.jpg)#


as a young girl
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 05, 2010, 11:50:48 AM
Queen Maria in costume

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2rmutfd.jpg)

From the same session, with Prince Luitpold

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2iaa7wk.jpg)

Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: THERRY on July 06, 2010, 02:08:11 AM
Spectacular photos never seen so big Thanks
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 06, 2010, 01:15:15 PM
Young
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/Stieler.jpg)
Older
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/MariaPrusia.jpg)
With family
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/Family.jpg)
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 06, 2010, 01:16:52 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/29fzhab.jpg)

XL

http://i46.tinypic.com/29fzhab.jpg
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 06, 2010, 01:34:34 PM
Maximilian II
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/MaxII.jpg)

Maximilian and Marie (http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/3286269/Hulton-Archive)
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: THERRY on July 07, 2010, 06:34:25 AM
Wonderful photos of Maria  :-* :-*
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Rani on July 07, 2010, 09:00:04 AM
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/IMAGE0036-1.jpg)
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 07, 2010, 12:28:16 PM
Two photos of Maximilian II
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/MaxBav.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/MaxOfBavaria1.jpg)
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 07, 2010, 12:34:44 PM
handtinted image of marie

(http://i27.tinypic.com/aem6ox.jpg)

XL

http://i27.tinypic.com/aem6ox.jpg
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 07, 2010, 01:03:33 PM
It's so beautiful ;-)
Painting of Maximilian II
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/Maxii-1.jpg)
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 29, 2012, 12:54:09 PM
With family
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/Family.jpg)

In better size
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/ludwigIIandfamily.jpg)

Source: alzbeta-sissi.blog

The Bavarian Royal Family, click here!!! (http://shop.billerantik.de/products/Ludwig-Sisi/Ludwig-II/KOeNIGIN-MARIE-PRINZ-OTTO-KRONPRINZ-LUDWIG-II-BAYERN-6.html)
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia) Madness
Post by: Manon on August 08, 2012, 07:51:38 AM
I read in French Wikipedia that the madness of Ludwig and Otto derived more from Maria's famiily than from Maximilian's one.
Does anyone know if madness previously appeared in Hohenzollern family ?
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia) Madness
Post by: Hector on August 12, 2012, 12:07:49 PM
Queen Marie José of Italy (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=3269.0) (her mother was a Wittlesbach) mentioned the same thing in her autobiography about Kings Ludwig II and Otto inheriting their insanity from their maternal side rather then the Wittlebachs.

I read in French Wikipedia that the madness of Ludwig and Otto derived more from Maria's famiily than from Maximilian's one.
Does anyone know if madness previously appeared in Hohenzollern family?
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Hector on December 31, 2013, 08:07:39 AM
Just saw this picture http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Marie_preussen_01.jpg and I'm sure isn't Queen Marie of Bavaria in 1855. Maybe I'm wrong, but just asking if anybody agrees or not?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Marie_preussen_01.jpg)
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 31, 2013, 12:38:09 PM
You re right, That s not Queen Marie of Bavaria ;-)
Title: Re: King Maximilian & Queen Marie (Princess of Prussia)
Post by: grandduchessella on January 01, 2014, 12:10:21 AM
The site said it was from the State Archives in Munich but even archives can get identifications wrong.