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Title: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: catarina pinto on June 17, 2004, 08:38:29 AM
What happened to Felix Yossupov's only daughter?
Why didn't she live with her parents?

Do you know any reason why Felix and Irina didn't have more chidren?
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Valmont on June 17, 2004, 02:27:58 PM
Irina Felixovna Yussoupov.... Good question. She was raised by Princess Yussoupova, Felix Mother...
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: JM on June 17, 2004, 04:16:38 PM
Bebé, was born on March 8, 1915. After the Yussupovs fled Russia she stayed with her grandparents in Italy, until her grandfather had a stroke. She didn't have a very normal or stable childhood. Felix and Irina loved her but I don't think they knew exactly how to deal with her, after all they hadn't even been raised by their parents. She married Nicholas Sheremetiev in 1938. I think I read that he was divorced with two children, but I can't recall (hope I'm not wrong :-/). She died in 1983.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: LisaDavidson on June 17, 2004, 04:40:12 PM
Bebe also only had one child, Xenia Sheremetievna Sfiris, who in turn only had one child, Tatiana Sfiris. As to why Felix and Irina only had one child, it may have been due to financial circumstances, or it may have been due to Felix's sexuality - who knows?
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: sandy evans on July 12, 2004, 05:46:06 PM
Who is the last Yussoupov descendant today? I heard Tatiana had a daughter, Xenia, in 1968 and that Xenia was married in 1996. But I have not heard of an heir! Please tell me the ancient family line is not about to die out!
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: AkshayChavan on August 04, 2004, 10:57:58 AM
Can anyone please provide me with some information on Nicholas Sheremetiev ?  It must have been a great match, scions of 2 wealthiest families of russia. What did he do for a living?
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Annie on August 04, 2004, 01:53:26 PM
Actually, it was a terrible match, from what I hear Felix was NOT happy with the match. Sheremetiev was some 11 years older than precious Bebe', and he had had TB for some time and at the time it wasn't sure if he would be completely cured. After he was declared cured, they were married in 1938, she a sweet young thing of 23 and he a man of 34. They had only one child, a daughter. Shemeretiev is buried with Bebe, but also with Irina, Felix and Zenaida, in the same tomb in Paris.


I really don't think the Yussoupov family was happy with the match at all. If Greg King can elaborate with more information that would be great, it was in his book I first read of Felix's displeasure with the match.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on February 13, 2005, 06:39:23 PM
Does anyone know if Bebe grew up resenting her mother or father? I mean being raised by your grandmother is to some extant a form of rejection or at least that is how I would feel at such a young age.

Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Steph on May 27, 2005, 08:33:41 AM
Hello to everyone,

Thanks to Rob and my French friends, I have bought the French version of Lost Splendor simply called "Mémoires" and I am happy to tell you all that Felix and Irina have a great great grand daughter called Marilia Giamakoupoulos, daughter of Tatiana Styris and Alexis Giamakoupoulos and grand daughter of Countess Xenia Cheremeteff, herself daughter of Princess Irina Felixovna Yussupova.  

So the line is not finished as yet. I will try to scan the picture for you. She is represented as a baby with grannie Xenia Chermeteff.

Love to all,

Steph
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Steph on May 27, 2005, 08:39:30 AM
Dear Sandy,

I am happy to tell that the line has not yet died out.   There is a great great grand daughter of Felix called Marilia Giamakoupoulos represented as a baby with her grannie countess Xenia Cheremeteff. I will try to scan the picture for you but I am not very good at it.

Love to you all,

Steph
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Annie on May 27, 2005, 09:30:25 AM
YEAH! Thank you! I am so happy! Congrats to them!
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on May 27, 2005, 01:09:41 PM
How old is this great great grand daughter of Felix and Irina? Do you know?
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Valmont on May 27, 2005, 05:50:24 PM
So, if Bebe died  in 1983, and there is a photograph of the two of them together, she must be at least 22 years old... But... I have only one question.. Did anyone beside Steph knew about her existence?.. It seems  to me very strange that no body had ever mentioned her.. Still.. I might be wrong...but in all we have talked about Felix's line, we all agreed Xenia Sfiris was the last known.... at least to me... Anyone has a different opinion??...

Arturo Vega-Llausás
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Steph on May 28, 2005, 03:00:36 AM
 ;)Hello dear Valmont,

Here I have the following facts:

Prince Felix was married to Princess Irina of Russia, this you all know, and they had only one daughter : Irina Youssoupova, called Bebe (1915-1983).

Bebe married count Nicolas Cheremeteff in 1938 and they also had but one daughter : Countess Xenia Cheremeteff (born in 1942).

Countess Xenia married in 1965 Ilias Styris (born in 1932) and they had a daughter : Tatiana Styris (born in 1968).

Tatiana Styris married in 1996 Alexis Giamakoupoulos (born in 1963) and here we are. They have a daughter called Marilia, certainly born in 1997 (I suppose) and who must be 8 years old. I will try to find out if she has little brothers or sisters.

Besides, I will precise that the picture represents not Bebe but Countess Xenia with her little grand daughter Marilia. I recieved the book yesterday (French version of Lost splendor, called Prince Félix Youssoupov : Mémoires, last edition 2005) and there is this picture that I will try to scan. Wish I were more learned in the art of the computer, but I will try anyway!

Love to all

Steph
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Steph on May 28, 2005, 03:34:57 AM
 ???

Hello again,

Can someone help me a little?

How can I send the scanned pic to this forum?

By the way Tatiana Styris was b orn in 1968 (there is a smiley hiding the date)


Love to all,

Steph
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: rudy3 on May 28, 2005, 03:36:51 AM
Some speling corrections
It should be "Sfiris" and "Giannakoupoulos" according my information
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Steph on May 28, 2005, 03:39:30 AM
 :D

Right Rudy, thank you for correcting me.

Love,

Steph
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: rudy3 on May 28, 2005, 03:44:07 AM
Tatiana Sfiris was born Aug 28th 1968
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Steph on May 28, 2005, 03:58:22 AM
 :D

Thanks again Rudy.

Does any French member possess the new 2005 publication of "Mémoires"? If so could you please have a look at it and see by yourself the picture I am talking about?

And if among you there is someone who possesses computer skills to download this picture, please let me know.

Love to all,

Steph
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Valmont on May 30, 2005, 09:45:47 AM
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;)Hello dear Valmont,

Here I have the following facts:

Prince Felix was married to Princess Irina of Russia, this you know
???

Dear Steph..  Just because you bought a copy of Lost Splendor LAST WEEK, it does not make you an expert about  the Yussupov Family... The last descendent of the line I knew of is Tatiana Sfiris...

Thank you..
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Steph on May 31, 2005, 03:48:00 AM
 :D

Hello,

I have not the pretention to be an expert of this prestigious family but please try to buy the book on amazon.fr (Félix Youssoupov : Mémoires, éditions du Rocher)  and you will find this picture with the following legend:  Xenia Cheremeteff Sfiri (and it is written Sfiri) avec sa petite-fille Marilia, arrière-arrière-petite-fille de Félix Youssoupov (which means: Xenia Cheremeteff Sfiri and her grand daughter Marilia, great great grand daughter of Felix Yussupov.)

What interest would I have in lying?  I was just pleased to tell you all that the line is yet not broken and I wanted to share this joy with you. That's all. It can so easily be proved. Why should I ly ?

It is no fair insulting someone before knowing the truth.

Love to all,

Steph
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Steph on May 31, 2005, 03:53:28 AM
 :D

Dear Annie,

Thanks for believing me. Some others think that I am lying and my God, why should I?

You can find this book on amazon.fr (Félix Youssoupov : Mémoires, éditions du Rocher).

There you will find the picture of Countess Xenia Cheremeteff Sfiri with her grand daughter Marilia, great great grand daughter of Félix Youssopov.

If you are French, maybe you could help me to prove this. I am not a liar !

Love to you,

Steph
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Valmont on May 31, 2005, 10:07:38 AM
Dear Steph,
I am not callng you a liar, I am just asking if someone else has known what you are saying. One of the main things I have learn in this forum is that NOT all that someone writes here is necessarilly true.  There was a poster who claimed  he was a DNA expert and I made the mistake of believe in him just because he had said he was. He turned out to be just a fraud. So, ever since, I tend to double check everything, not implying the person who posted the info is lying, but to look for any proof to back it up.
Now, you say the line is not broken.. That is fine  with me, as I said, I am just asking if anyone else knew of this information... That's all.....

Best Regards

Arturo Vega-Llausás
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Steph on June 01, 2005, 03:08:18 AM
Thank you dear Arturo, I understand your feelings and I will ask the same question. Has anyone else seen this picture ?

Please, I am expecting your answers !

Love to all,

Steph
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: monfort on June 04, 2005, 06:22:52 AM
the baby is called Marilia Vamvakidis and is 11 months old and very sweet :)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: monfort on June 04, 2005, 06:27:22 AM
Tatiana divorced Alexis Giannakopulos. The baby's father is Anthony Vamvakidis, so the baby is Marilia Vamvakidis
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on June 04, 2005, 01:12:18 PM
Thanks for the information!

Steph, THANK YOU so much for giving us a heads up on the exsitance of Marilia.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Annie on June 05, 2005, 11:12:27 AM
Steph, I never doubted your good news. Thanks so much for bringing it here! :)

No matter who the father was, as long as the mother is the descendant of Yussoupov, the family goes on and I'm happy :)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Tasha_R on June 06, 2005, 01:31:36 PM
If you have any and could post, it would be greatly appreciated.  Those that were in other threads appear to have disappeared.

Thank you,
Tasha
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Steph on June 07, 2005, 03:20:20 AM
Hello to you all,

::)

It has been my pleasure to please you all. I was so excited when I saw this picture.

Could you please tell me (unless I find it somewhere else in this forum) in which book you found the name of Tatiana's second husband?

Thanks to you all!

Steph
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Steph on June 07, 2005, 03:22:13 AM
 :D

Thanks to you Monfort.

I am so pleased to hear about it.

Love to all,

Steph
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Tasha_R on June 08, 2005, 02:07:35 PM
Thank you so much.  I am especially looking for ones of her as a child, particularly in the preschool years.  However the one you have here with her daughter hints at what she might have looked like as a child herself.

Sincere regards,
Tasha
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on June 08, 2005, 08:41:22 PM
Tasha,

I know of four pictures of Bebe as a child.

One of her as an infant with Irina and Felix

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/lostsplendor/images/trio.jpg

There is a very cute photo of Bebe with Zenaida, but I have not been able to find it since it was lost on the thread.

There are two of her as child that I have saved on my computer. One where Bebe is with Felix and the other Bebe is with Irina and her grandfather Sandro. I have these two photos but I don't know how to post.   :(

Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on June 09, 2005, 11:48:32 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/fybebe-vi.jpg)

Bebe with Felix
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Tasha_R on June 09, 2005, 02:23:38 PM
They are wonderful, Ashanti.  Thank you!

Now, you wouldn't happen to have that one of Zenaida and Bebe, would you?

All the best,
Tasha
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Tasha_R on June 09, 2005, 02:40:12 PM
This is why I am asking.  I have this picture that was taken in New York and I am trying to figure out if it is Irina with Bebe on someone else's lap:

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/Tasha_R/whoiswithher.jpg)[/img]
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on June 09, 2005, 06:52:52 PM
Sadly when my computer was infected with a computer virus I lost alot and I do mean a lot of images. I have not been able to find the image of Zenaida with Bebe but I'm sure someone has it.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Lass on June 10, 2005, 08:37:21 AM
Good to see these on! I wanted to know what Bebe looked like - any of her as an older child?
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Tasha_R on June 10, 2005, 02:08:34 PM
I know what you mean.  We caught a virus once and it wiped out all our pictures from our trip to Paris - a real bummer!
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Steph on June 11, 2005, 03:08:26 AM
  ;)

Hello,

Does anyone know Marilia's date of birth? If she is eleven months old, she must be born in July 2004? What about her father date of birth?
Will Marilia be added to the Yussupovs genealogy. It would be great.

Love to all!

Steph
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Annie on June 14, 2005, 08:04:59 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v152/WuvDaNick/zinaidagranddaughter.jpg)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on June 14, 2005, 10:03:15 AM
Thanks Annie!

I knew you had posted the picture before and now it will go with my collection. Zenaida really looks good for her age. Early 60's maybe? Bebe seems to be a very good mix of her parents.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Tasha_R on June 14, 2005, 01:26:10 PM
Perfect!  Thank you!
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on June 14, 2005, 10:49:59 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/3gensxeniabebe.jpg)

Grand Duchess Xenia and Bebe
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Annie on June 15, 2005, 08:08:59 AM
Oh is that on the Marlborough after their rescue? Marie F seems to have on the same outfit and sitting on the same bench? Bebe's so cute, thanks, I've never seen that one before!
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on June 15, 2005, 09:03:49 AM
Yep, you are right Annie.

Bebe does look very cute and pretty. I can imagine how much fun the grandma's had with her.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Annie on June 15, 2005, 12:22:01 PM
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Yep, you are right Annie.

Bebe does look very cute and pretty. I can imagine how much fun the grandma's had with her.


Especially Zenaida, who always wanted a girl so bad and put girl clothes on Felix she was so disappointed! ;)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Monia on June 18, 2005, 03:31:59 AM
 :)

I would like to see a photo of Tatiana Sfiris.

We know very little about herself.

Can someone tell me more?

Thank you!

Monia
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: J_Zhivago on June 26, 2005, 10:54:34 PM
Please forgive my ignorance, but how do you pronounce Irina's daughter's name?  Is it just "beeb?"  Is it a French name?  I've seen the same name only once:  Bebe Neuwirth the actress who played Lillith on Cheers.  If she was born in Russia in 1915 (and before the Revolution), it seems odd that they would give her such a foreign name.  The Romanovs normally stuck with Russian names except in cases where they married outside the country.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Lanie on June 27, 2005, 11:54:12 PM
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Please forgive my ignorance, but how do you pronounce Irina's daughter's name?  Is it just "beeb?"  Is it a French name?  I've seen the same name only once:  Bebe Neuwirth the actress who played Lillith on Cheers.  If she was born in Russia in 1915 (and before the Revolution), it seems odd that they would give her such a foreign name.  The Romanovs normally stuck with Russian names except in cases where they married outside the country.


Their daughter was named Irina Felixovna, but "Bebe" which is French for 'Baby' was her nickname.  
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: J_Zhivago on June 30, 2005, 12:38:11 PM
Thanks, Lanie.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on August 22, 2005, 08:49:00 PM
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(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/3gensxeniabebe.jpg)

Grand Duchess Xenia and Bebe



She looks like shes picking her nose!!! lol
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: amelia on September 05, 2005, 08:12:08 AM
Monia,


I also would like to know more about Xenia Sifiris and her daughert Tatiana. Does anyone have any photos or articles about them?

Amelia
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: M_Breheny on October 03, 2005, 05:42:13 PM
When I toured the Yussupov Palace in July 2005, we were shown a large portrait of Xenia Sfiris.  It is in the room with the two beautiful stained glass windows.  We were told that Xenia, the granddaughter of Felix and Irina, now has a granddaughter, presumably Marilia, and that she is the latest in the Yussopov line.  I found it interesting that they had displayed this modern painting, which, by the way, is quite lovely.

Mary
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: imperial angel on October 25, 2005, 10:36:11 AM
isn't it interesting that the pattern of the family is to have an only child, and that to be a daughter. It is interesting as are patterns in families like that. The pattern Grand Duchess Irina's descendents followed fascinated me  from the  first. It reminded me of another pattern in a family but one compltely unrelated to the Romanovs. It has to do with Laura Ingalls Wilder. Laura's mother had a son that died at nine months, Laura had a son that died at twelve days, and Laura's daugter Rose had a son who died shortly after birth. In each case, it was the only son they ever had.  :)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: José on January 30, 2006, 02:21:48 PM
How was he related to Natalia Cheremetev, the wife of GD (and Emperor) Michael ?
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: lancashireladandre on January 31, 2006, 04:31:04 AM
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How was he related to Natalia Cheremetev, the wife of GD (and Emperor) Michael ?

He Wasn't.....It was a similar name.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on July 15, 2007, 12:45:06 PM

It's intresting to see that in pictures with her father, Bebe is always relaxed and smiling but seems rather uncomfortable when pictured with her mother.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Annie on July 20, 2007, 08:37:13 PM
isn't it interesting that the pattern of the family is to have an only child, and that to be a daughter. It is interesting as are patterns in families like that. The pattern Grand Duchess Irina's descendents followed fascinated me  from the  first. It reminded me of another pattern in a family but one compltely unrelated to the Romanovs. It has to do with Laura Ingalls Wilder. Laura's mother had a son that died at nine months, Laura had a son that died at twelve days, and Laura's daugter Rose had a son who died shortly after birth. In each case, it was the only son they ever had.  :)

Yes I noticed that about Laura too, strange.

I was wondering if the reason the Yussoupovs had one child was because of the 'curse' that every heir in a generation would die young but one? Felix had 2 brothers die as babies, then his brother died in a duel. His mother's sister died young and a baby brother too. So maybe since they were kind of superstitious about the mystical, they thought if they had more than one it would die? Just a thought...

But I did hear there are now TWO new Yussoupov baby girls, one born in 2004 and a second in 2006!

Daughters of Tatiana Sfris

Marilia Vamvakidis (July 17, 2004)
Yasmine Xenia Vamvakidis (May 7, 2006)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Taksa on July 20, 2007, 09:30:44 PM
 Annie
yes Felix was afraid of the lagend and dicided to have only one child - Bebe. And Bebe did the same, Xenia too. But it's true that Tatiana has 2 daughters. Hope they will live a long and happy life.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 21, 2007, 08:24:41 AM
http://russianathens.gr/nuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=834

Great article! Is sounds like poor Mrs Sfiris was not even looking to get back her entire rightful inheritance from the Russians, just for free room and board when she comes to visit St Petersburg, so that she wouldn't have to stay at hotels... Hence her very personal written appeal to the Russian president... But alas, mean old Vlad Putin wouldn't even grant her that!  >:( ;).
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Annie on July 21, 2007, 09:58:45 AM
Bumping this back up to record the new baby Yussoupov! Another girl for Tatiana!

Marilia Vamvakidis (July 17, 2004)
Yasmine Xenia Vamvakidis (May 7, 2006)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on July 21, 2007, 10:57:34 AM
I was rather suprised that she was even allowed to stay in the Yussupov palace. I doubt any Romanov or nobility descendant will ever be able to get any of what once belonged to their family.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 21, 2007, 11:59:29 AM
According to this article, they have no intention of letting her stay at any of the Yussupov palaces... So it's still hotels for poor Mrs Sfiris.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on July 21, 2007, 01:26:35 PM
Really? I could have sworn I had read somewhere that she was allowed to stay in the Moika palace when she visted. Must have heard it wrong.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 21, 2007, 01:31:15 PM
Really? I could have sworn I had read somewhere that she was allowed to stay in the Moika palace when she visted. Must have heard it wrong.

Maybe they changed their minds later on, but not according to this article... Here they said that Mr Putin refused to let her stay at any of the Yusupov places... To be honest, I would find it hard to imagine if they did let her stay there, since it is now a museum...
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on July 22, 2007, 02:25:53 AM
Really? I could have sworn I had read somewhere that she was allowed to stay in the Moika palace when she visted. Must have heard it wrong.

Maybe they changed their minds later on, but not according to this article... Here they said that Mr Putin refused to let her stay at any of the Yusupov places... To be honest, I would find it hard to imagine if they did let her stay there, since it is now a museum...

And probably just to please Mrs Sfiris her portrait was strung in the Moika palace, one can see it in the former bedroom of her great-grandfather 8).
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Belochka on July 22, 2007, 03:09:15 AM
Really? I could have sworn I had read somewhere that she was allowed to stay in the Moika palace when she visted. Must have heard it wrong.

Maybe they changed their minds later on, but not according to this article... Here they said that Mr Putin refused to let her stay at any of the Yusupov places... To be honest, I would find it hard to imagine if they did let her stay there, since it is now a museum...

Putin did the right thing. Imagine if everyone today made a similar claim because a few generations back their family owned property in Petrograd in 1917.

What a ludicrous idea! Poor Mrs Sfiris will have to learn to rough it at the Astoria or at the Kempinskii.

Margarita   8)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on July 24, 2007, 01:57:02 AM
I was looking at this portrait along with a picture of Tatiana, Xenia Sfiris daughter, and I have to say the two do resemble each other a little.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 24, 2007, 02:00:28 AM
Interesting portrait! The little doggy appears as though he was added later and not really a part of the picture!
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashdean on July 24, 2007, 02:46:52 AM
Dreadful portrait...very drab...the pooch does look like an after thought...all in alll hideous !!!
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on July 24, 2007, 02:59:12 AM
I think they could have done a better job, but then again maybe they just wanted to throw something on the wall that gave some added history to the Yussupovs.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 24, 2007, 08:05:40 AM
Yeah, really bad... If I were Mrs Sfiris I would make them take it down immediately and never come back to Russia!  :P  Maybe that was the idea  ;)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Belochka on July 24, 2007, 05:54:44 PM
Interesting portrait! The little doggy appears as though he was added later and not really a part of the picture!

I agree with you. The painting is terrible, and as much as I hate to admit the "little doggy" appears not at its best.

A very amateurish item which fails to enhance the beauty of the palace interiors. I am glad I failed to notice it during my visit.

Margarita   ;)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on July 25, 2007, 01:27:57 AM

A very amateurish item which fails to enhance the beauty of the palace interiors. I am glad I failed to notice it during my visit.

Margarita [/color]  ;)

And I was somewhat shocked when I  noticed the portrait on the wall. Looked really not on its place...
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 25, 2007, 01:56:03 AM

I agree with you. The painting is terrible, and as much as I hate to admit the "little doggy" appears not at its best.


 ;D ;D You took the words right out of my mouth Margarita!! :D :-*
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: amelia on July 25, 2007, 06:50:47 AM
When I was in St. Petersburg, in 2002, my guide told me that Putin allowed her and her family to celebrate Christmas at the palace.

Amelia
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Annie on July 25, 2007, 07:01:59 AM
I was looking at this portrait along with a picture of Tatiana, Xenia Sfiris daughter, and I have to say the two do resemble each other a little.

You have a picture of her? Please post it, I've never seen one!

If she looks like her mother, it's a shame, IMO, not that there's anything wrong with their looks, but that Mrs. Sfiris looks so much like Bebe's husband and nothing like Felix or Irina. Bebe was a lovely mixture of both, but her only child took strongly after the husband. It's sad to think that even though the bloodline continues, the Yussoupov 'look' may have died out. Maybe it will show up in one of the new babies.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on July 25, 2007, 11:02:34 AM
Taska was kind enough to end me the picture. I think she looks like her mother a little bit,  but at the same time I see some of her great grandparents in her.

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n192/Taksa/IMG_2079.jpg)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: pentetorri on July 31, 2007, 08:31:36 AM
Really? I could have sworn I had read somewhere that she was allowed to stay in the Moika palace when she visted. Must have heard it wrong.

Maybe they changed their minds later on, but not according to this article... Here they said that Mr Putin refused to let her stay at any of the Yusupov places... To be honest, I would find it hard to imagine if they did let her stay there, since it is now a museum...

Putin did the right thing. Imagine if everyone today made a similar claim because a few generations back their family owned property in Petrograd in 1917.

What a ludicrous idea! Poor Mrs Sfiris will have to learn to rough it at the Astoria or at the Kempinskii.

Margarita   8)


What a rotten thing to say!!! Mrs. Sfiris's family was robbed of their entire fortune by a band of murderers. The least they could do is offered so kind of compensation and staying in a palace which was stolen from them in the first place is not ludicrous at all.

Corruption is  rampant in Russia and only money counts. Tradition, history and some old values could count less for the current government whose leadership is not less than old communists and KGB members dressed as new capitalists. Poor Russia!!

Luckily, we live in a country where life and private property is respected. But, coming from a family who suffered abusive expropiation in the past I feel other posters should be more sensitive to the plight of people whose family life was ruined by revolution and believe me the effects continue in the next generations.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Annie on August 01, 2007, 04:12:17 PM
Even though I think it would be great if the Yussoupovs could get their stuff back, I understand why Russia can't do it. You just can't start that. Like Margarita said, what if every single person who claimed to have family property in St. Petersburg before the revolution came wanting it back, what a mess it would be for those living there now. A lot of people have lost a lot all over the world all through time, but think what problems it would cause for those alive today if every person demanded back what their families lost years ago, or wanted large amounts of money to compensate for their suffering. There's nothing we can do for them now, the ones alive today aren't the ones who suffered, and those in charge today are not the ones who did it to them. I mean, suppose all the Native Americans reclaimed everything the US had taken from their ancestors. There's something in every country around the world you could apply this situation to in some way. Though it may sound nice, it's just not workable.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Belochka on August 01, 2007, 10:29:34 PM
Really? I could have sworn I had read somewhere that she was allowed to stay in the Moika palace when she visted. Must have heard it wrong.

Maybe they changed their minds later on, but not according to this article... Here they said that Mr Putin refused to let her stay at any of the Yusupov places... To be honest, I would find it hard to imagine if they did let her stay there, since it is now a museum...

Putin did the right thing. Imagine if everyone today made a similar claim because a few generations back their family owned property in Petrograd in 1917.

What a ludicrous idea! Poor Mrs Sfiris will have to learn to rough it at the Astoria or at the Kempinskii.

Margarita   8)


What a rotten thing to say!!! Mrs. Sfiris's family was robbed of their entire fortune by a band of murderers. The least they could do is offered so kind of compensation and staying in a palace which was stolen from them in the first place is not ludicrous at all.

... But, coming from a family who suffered abusive expropiation in the past I feel other posters should be more sensitive to the plight of people whose family life was ruined by revolution and believe me the effects continue in the next generations.

Not a rotten thing to suggest in the least pentetorri, just facing reality.

My family in St. Petersburg was among those who lost everything except their dignity and the will to survive after the revolution impacted their lives to the point that they became stateless in the country of their birth.

Personally I have absolutely no interest in ever considering that the Russian State should ever offer me one ruble in compensation on behalf of my grandparents. Their losses were immeasurable.

In fact I sincerely wish those who now reside in those properties the very best.

Margarita  :)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: TampaBay on August 04, 2007, 08:50:31 AM
Who did Tatiana Sfiris marry?

Irina>Bebe>Xenia>Tatiana Sfiris   Is this the correct lineage?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: dmitri on August 04, 2007, 08:53:58 AM
I'm not sure but descendants of Felix and Irina still take an interest in the Yussopov Palace on the Moika. The Palace from what I could make out is controlled by the Union of Teachers. I must say I was a touch disappointed by the palace. The little court theatre is delightful. Most of the treasures are elsewhere and many of the remaining paintings are copies.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on August 04, 2007, 12:31:39 PM
Who did Tatiana Sfiris marry?

Irina>Bebe>Xenia>Tatiana Sfiris   Is this the correct lineage?

TampaBay

She was previously married to Alexis Giannakoupoulos and they had no children together. Her second husband Anthony Vamvakidis is the father of Marilia and Yasmine.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on September 06, 2007, 02:09:43 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/bebe.jpg)
Bebe as a young child
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on September 06, 2007, 04:43:32 AM
Irina Felixovna was really an amazing woman according to her daughter Xenia's words. Xenia Sfiris told in an interview (I had found it somewhere on Internet) that her father was a rare guest at home as he worked hard and visited his wife and daughter only TWICE a year...So actually Xenia did not know him as she wanted. Then her father felt ill with    tuberculosis and was sent to a sanatorium, and his faithful wife Irina wrote letters to him every day...
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on September 06, 2007, 10:37:13 AM
What an odd marriage! Can you imagined being visited only twice a year by your spouse!!

Yes, Irina Felixovna seem's to me, at least, to be a person of intrest. Not only is she daughter of Irina and Felix, but she's also the granddaughter of Xenia and Zenaida. You have to wonder what kind of stories she would have heard growing up from both sides of the family. No doubt all this was pass to her daughter Xenia, I wish there were more pictures of Bebe out there.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on October 20, 2007, 01:09:59 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/tatianastifis.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/tatianas.jpg)

Tatiana

Sorry the pictures arn't of better quality. You can see how she seems to resemble Irina and Felix more than her mother Xenia who took after her father versus her mother Bebe.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on October 23, 2007, 12:35:36 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/bebewedding.jpg)
Bebe on her wedding day

Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on October 23, 2007, 01:35:53 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/bebehsbnduntitled6.jpg)

I guess I can see it...
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: loulia on October 23, 2007, 02:35:25 PM
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/bebe.jpge (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/bebe.jpge)

She looks so cute! As a mother it's hard for me to understand how Felix and Irina could leave so far from her... Did she ever speak about it in her later life? How were her relationship with her parents as an adult?
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on October 23, 2007, 03:33:55 PM
It has always appeared that Bebe was basically in the care of Zenaida and Felix Sr, even before the Revolution. After the Revolution, Irina and Felix decided to leave Bebe with his parents while they went to Paris and tried to work things out. You have to understand that back then, it was rare high society to raise their own kids, Irina and Felix themselves had plenty of nannies to care for them as children, and for them it seemed natural that other's would do the actual upbringing for them. With this in mind, when Bebe finally came to live with her parents in Paris, it was a rather akward adjustment as Bebe didn't seem to get along with Irina but seemed very fond of her father. It's funny to look at the body language of Bebe when photographed with her parents.


Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on October 23, 2007, 05:15:25 PM
does anyone know how Irina acted toward Bebe? perhaps there lies the answer.
or perhaps she was just a daddy's girl.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on October 23, 2007, 07:56:01 PM
I'm trying to remember the source but I can't but I seemed to have read that Irina loved her daughter but had a hard time showing her affections. Will look it up.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: loulia on October 24, 2007, 03:06:04 AM
in the tread "were felix and irina really in love with each other?" I think, Taksa posted letters from Felix to Irina at the begining of their relationship, and Felix often wrote about how hard it was for Irina to express her feelings. May be that was not only shyness and she was that way till the end of her life?
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 24, 2007, 04:42:24 PM
in the tread "were felix and irina really in love with each other?" I think, Taksa posted letters from Felix to Irina at the begining of their relationship, and Felix often wrote about how hard it was for Irina to express her feelings. May be that was not only shyness and she was that way till the end of her life?

I realize that everyone is just speculating, but one reason that Irina brought suit against MGM was that she was still traumatized by the loss of her first cousins, the Emperor's daughters and felt the film was disrespetful to her and her family. There were many years where she and Olga were one another's only same age companions - and the Emperor was reported to be very fond of his niece.

All together, this is evidence that she was not shy as an adult and did not find it difficult always to express her feelings. What needs to be better understood, I think, is how traumatized all the surviving family members were over the killings of their relatives.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Victor on October 24, 2007, 05:13:54 PM
Quite right Lisa,perhaps we do sometimes forget to consider that trauma.Most people simply wouldn't get over such a thing or certainly wouldn't be the same again.Bebe possibly came through it all right because she might not have had strong memories of life before the revolution.Felix seems to have been less affected than others.Don't know if that indicates a strength of character or lack of it.Perhaps he had more imagination and optimism about the future than some of his relatives and friends.Irina tended to be more withdrawn anyway so maybe even more so but with more intense feelings in excile.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Annie on October 24, 2007, 11:32:49 PM
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traumatized by the loss of her first cousins, the Emperor's daughters and felt the film was disrespetful to her and her family. There were many years where she and Olga were one another's only same age companions - and the Emperor was reported to be very fond of his niece.

Exactly. Those who survived were traumatized and deeply hurt by the losses they suffered and wanted to make sure the dead were respected. This is also why Olga A., Ernie and others fought so hard against claimants.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on October 24, 2007, 11:46:39 PM
yea, i guess you really couldnt blame Irina for the way she acted ...she was traumatized from everything :-\ :(
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: loulia on October 25, 2007, 02:37:57 AM
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traumatized by the loss of her first cousins, the Emperor's daughters and felt the film was disrespetful to her and her family. There were many years where she and Olga were one another's only same age companions - and the Emperor was reported to be very fond of his niece.

Exactly. Those who survived were traumatized and deeply hurt by the losses they suffered and wanted to make sure the dead were respected. This is also why Olga A., Ernie and others fought so hard against claimants.
thank you for your answers, I didn't think about it under that angle, it's very interesting.
I totally agree with you
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: loulia on November 02, 2007, 04:42:54 AM
I've watched a documentary by Frederic Miterand on the Romanov in exile, he interviews Ksenia Sfiris about her grand parents and she said Irina and Felix deeply loved each other and she never saw a couple so complementary: Felix was very charming and extroverted while Irina was very calm and shy (she adds as "almost all the Romanovs")
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Victor on November 03, 2007, 03:33:24 AM
Wish I'd seen the doco.Sounds interesting.And accurate,at least some of the Romanovs anyway seemed calm and a little shy,certainly Irinas' mother and aunt.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on November 03, 2007, 03:38:27 AM
I've watched a documentary by Frederic Miterand on the Romanov in exile, he interviews Ksenia Sfiris about her grand parents and she said Irina and Felix deeply loved each other and she never saw a couple so complementary: Felix was very charming and extroverted while Irina was very calm and shy (she adds as "almost all the Romanovs")

Do you know the name of the documentry? When and where did it air? Sounds like something I would have loved to have watched.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: loulia on November 03, 2007, 08:05:31 AM
Sorry I'mnot home today but I'll check the source tomorow evening when I get back home. I just can tell you I recorded it some years ago I think 1998 or 1999 on the french channel France 2 and that was especially interesting, with many pictures and a lot of interviews,a lot from Michail, Irina Paley and Theodor's son, which was very touching
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: loulia on November 03, 2007, 08:17:03 AM
and in Ksenia Sfiris 's interview, she explains a nice anecdote with Felix: she lunched at her grandparents often and they used to order their money for the mounth in a envelpe, and once when she were a teen after the lunch, Felix took the envelope and told Irina "I will buy her her first shoes with high heel" and Irina answered "you can't  do it, it's all we got for the month" but Felix said " I don't care about that, I want to be the first man who will buy her first high heel shoes" and he bought it to her
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: loulia on November 03, 2007, 08:23:07 AM
she also talked about their house and said there were horrible drawings in their living room, there were made by Felix, there were monsters that he saw in his nightmares; She said when her grandparents died, it's the first thing her mother sold.
We see some of thoses drawings in the documentary
I don't know who bought them or what they become
Does anyone know if they still exists?
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on November 03, 2007, 12:05:33 PM
Now I really wanna watch it!!! But I don't speak French!! One of the many languages I'm going to have to learn, I guess ;)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: loulia on November 05, 2007, 11:42:24 AM
I have a problem with my tape: I watched the whole tape this afternoon and it seems when I've recorded it I cut the generic where the title is writen, as the ads.
From memory I think the title is "memoires du passé" or "memoires d'exils", I'm trying to check it on the channel's site
Anyone else saw it and remember the title? It's by Frederic Mitterand
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on November 06, 2007, 01:55:38 AM
I did some research and yes it is, "Mémoires d'exil " by Frédéric Mitterrand. There seems to be both a book and documentry film. I think I may look into both of them, however it doesn't help that I don't speak French : ( If only it was english or even spanish...either way I'll probably end up getting it. Thanks Loulia !!
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: loulia on November 06, 2007, 04:18:54 AM
thank ashanti for your research! if you can get the documentary I think it will be interesting for you even if you don't speak french because there are a lot of rare photos and films from the time they lived in exil (and even some of the IF before and bduring the revolution)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Lisa on May 03, 2008, 01:32:33 PM
.

 "Bébe" (or is it "Bebé"?))

Bébé! ;-)
Very interesting! Thanks!
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on October 07, 2008, 12:11:38 PM
Two Irinas, mother and daughter

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/Untitled-2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: KarlandZita on October 07, 2008, 12:44:31 PM


WOW, Svetabel, beautiful !!! Thank you very much !
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on October 07, 2008, 01:39:30 PM
Svetabel what a wonderful picture!!! Where did you find it, if I may ask is it from a new book?

Thanks
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on October 08, 2008, 12:46:25 AM
Svetabel what a wonderful picture!!! Where did you find it, if I may ask is it from a new book?

Thanks

That's from a magazine I've found in my archive of old magazines.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on October 08, 2008, 03:42:30 PM
Very nice. Thanks.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on November 30, 2008, 03:11:51 AM
Here is one by me
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii116/olga_romanov/2irinas.jpg)

Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on June 01, 2009, 12:39:34 PM
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click on images for larger versions


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_yuspssirinafeliksovnabebe1925.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/yuspssirinafeliksovnabebe1925.jpg)

Bébé, 1925
.
i can't recall, nor can i find any info on the artis,
but i imagine it's the same one who did the portrait of her mother


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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_yusirina.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/yusirina.jpg)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on June 01, 2009, 02:14:43 PM
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i can't recall, nor can i find any info on the artis,
but i imagine it's the same one who did the portrait of her mother


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The artist is Zenaida Serebryakova.

Here's an article in Russian wikipedia with her self-portait:

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B1%D1%80%D1%8F%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0,_%D0%97%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B0_%D0%95%D0%B2%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0 (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B1%D1%80%D1%8F%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0,_%D0%97%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B0_%D0%95%D0%B2%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on June 01, 2009, 04:42:11 PM
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click on images for larger versions


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_yuspssirinafeliksovnabebe1925.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/yuspssirinafeliksovnabebe1925.jpg)

Bébé, 1925
.
i can't recall, nor can i find any info on the artis,
but i imagine it's the same one who did the portrait of her mother


.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_yusirina.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/yusirina.jpg)

WOnderful picture Brian...quick question. Are you sure it's from 1925? Wouldn't Bébé have been ten years old in 1925? She looks older in the picture.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on June 02, 2009, 09:03:54 AM
Ou much older i think it's at less in 1930 or 1935
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on June 03, 2009, 01:45:45 AM




when the Irina's age in 1925, was pointed out, i had to admit the portrait just didn't match up correctly.
so i went back & checked...

i'd like to apologize.  in my haste, i attached the caption for the portrait of Irina Yusupova Sr,
the wrong image.  the caption just said "princess Irina Yuspova, 1925" and since i had the wrong image (the one i posted) of a young woman,
i assumed it was Bébé.

i have the images stored in one file and the info for them stored in another -- some images have quite alot of information,.
and i just wasn't paying attention.

sadly, we're not allowed to self-censor our own posts --- which i don't actually understand...
but that's a horse of a different color.


the portrait i posted as Bébé, is actually:

Мария Бутакова, урожденная Евреинова.1931
(trans: "Maria Butakova, nee Evreinova.1931")

the artist's name is not listed in the info i have for either image,
and i trust svetabel, so i'll go along with her, that the portrait is by
Zenaida Serebryakova --- she's the artist for the senior Irina's portrait, anyway.
and as the styles look the same or very similar, i still say both are done by the same artist.

so, once again, i sincerely apologize -- the image i posted was NOT Bébé!!   :-( 


Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on June 03, 2009, 01:06:24 PM
wait...is this the picture you are referring to?
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/bebedrawing-1.jpg)
I never knew who the artist was, but it seems to fit the your description.

Thanks for the clarification Brian. :)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on August 27, 2009, 10:09:21 PM
A big thank you to Fabian...

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/escanear0106.jpg)
Felix and Irina showing off 'Bebe' to GD Victoria

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/escanear0105.jpg)
Empress Maria holding Bebe

Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on August 27, 2009, 10:10:31 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/escanear0109.jpg)
Bebe
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: KarlandZita on October 22, 2009, 02:03:53 PM
Fantastic pictures show several generations of Yusupov together ! Thank you for sharing with us.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 29, 2009, 03:47:29 PM
Tatiana (Bebe's daughter) was a very beautiful lady, she was as beautiful as her granny, her
mom (Bebe) doesn't look like her mom very much.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on October 30, 2009, 01:48:09 AM
Tatiana (Bebe's daughter) was a very beautiful lady, she was as beautiful as her granny, her
mom (Bebe) doesn't look like her mom very much.

Bebe's daughter name is Xenia and she is still alive.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 30, 2009, 01:40:13 PM
Sorry I misunderstood a few posts before :-(
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 03, 2009, 10:44:29 PM
awwwwwwwwwww
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 05, 2009, 07:46:33 AM
They don't look very well as babies :-(
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 05, 2009, 08:40:50 AM
bigger fatter heads then Grand Duchess Olga Nikolevna as a infant! lol (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/12072-1.gif)


Still cute though.... ;)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Svetabel on November 06, 2009, 02:29:51 AM
In the last photo the resemblance of Irina-younger to her father is really striking.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on November 06, 2009, 12:05:24 PM
So very true. IMO I think her features (like her mother's) were a little to strong to make her classically beautiful but still she appears to have been an attractive girl.



Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on January 08, 2010, 03:42:37 PM
larger and slightly better than previously posted photos

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/bebe/bebefelix-1.jpg)
Bebe & Felix ( I just love this photo)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/bebe/bebebxenia-1.jpg)
Bebe with her baby Xenia
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: SweetAngels on January 09, 2010, 02:38:10 AM
Thanks ashanti10 for those lovely photos of Bebe. I think Bebe looked a lot like her great aunt Olga A as a little child or you can see some resemblance to Olga A.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on January 09, 2010, 01:03:36 PM
Really? I have never seen any resemblence between GD Olga A and Bebe.

Bebe has some of the sharper features of her father with a little of her mother. In some photos it's really stunning to see how much Bebe took after Felix.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on July 20, 2010, 07:30:15 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/bebe/bebenikitamichael001-1.jpg)
Bebe, Nikita Nikititch, and Michael Feodorovich 1927
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on July 25, 2010, 01:01:55 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/bebe/groupbebemich-1.jpg)
Bebe on the far right standing in front of Grand Duchess Xenia. Irina is to Bebe's left next to Prince Roman.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on August 26, 2010, 11:59:13 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/bebe/Irina-Feliksovna-SheremetyevoYusupovaandElenaA-Voronkevich.jpg)
Irina 'Bebe' Yusupova and Elena A Voronkevich
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on September 11, 2010, 12:13:50 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/CurrentYusupovs/sfrisgrandchildren.jpg)
Bebe's great granddaughters Yasmine and Marilia with their grandfather, Ilias Sfiris.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 11, 2010, 07:19:30 AM
The blonde toddler looks  A LOT like great grandmother Ksenia!
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: scarlett_riviera on September 13, 2010, 07:38:07 PM
Wow these pictures are beyond awesome- Bebe was such a Daddy's girl! I've always thought Felix was fabulous and him splurging a whole month's budget for his granddaughter's first pair of heels proves that! It's very sweet, too. Reminds me of how my dear grandpa used to spoil me!

Does anyone know how Felix felt about Dimitri's death? I know they had a falling out, but did they never really speak again after that?
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 28, 2010, 01:39:14 PM
Bebe in her wedding day

(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6087/bebeo.jpg) (http://img227.imageshack.us/i/bebeo.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on September 28, 2010, 02:25:37 PM
Love that last photo Katenka. Something about her expression reminds me of her grandmother, Princess Yusupova. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on October 03, 2010, 11:57:09 AM
Four generations

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/4gen.jpg)

Empress Marie holding Irina 'Bebe' Yusupova, Princess Irina Yusupova and GD Xenia

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/rmf-114.jpg)
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashdean on October 03, 2010, 04:20:42 PM
Love that last photo Katenka. Something about her expression reminds me of her grandmother, Princess Yusupova. Thanks for sharing.
And her husband Count Nicholas looks more than a little like her grandfather Prince Felix
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 04, 2010, 09:32:18 AM
Some images of Ksenia Sfiris

(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/1854/81083519.jpg) (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/81083519.jpg/)

a bit younger

(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5415/yussupovgreatgg.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/yussupovgreatgg.jpg/)

A portrait of her with a miniature i suppose of Felix

(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5270/kseniasfiris.jpg) (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/kseniasfiris.jpg/)
 
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 05, 2010, 08:21:57 AM
Tatiana Sfiris

(http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6674/ertyw46w34.jpg) (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/ertyw46w34.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: ashanti01 on February 23, 2011, 06:52:41 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/Ferrand%20Book/1963xns001.jpg)
Xenia Sfiris in 1963
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Marc on September 20, 2011, 01:40:27 PM

A portrait of her with a miniature i suppose of Felix

(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5270/kseniasfiris.jpg) (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/kseniasfiris.jpg/)
 

Here is the whole portrait of Xenia:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Xsfiris.jpg)

Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Jan on October 22, 2012, 03:03:31 PM

A portrait of her with a miniature i suppose of Felix

(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5270/kseniasfiris.jpg) (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/kseniasfiris.jpg/)
 

Here is the whole portrait of Xenia:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Xsfiris.jpg)
I have a friend in Mexico City, named Nicolás Luis Romanov-yussupov. I´m not updated with the Yussupovs and Scheremeteffs, but I suppose that my friend in some way is related with them. I have very carefully asked him long ago, but I got some diffuse answers and will ask him more about this if it can be of help

Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: YH on August 08, 2014, 11:08:53 AM
How old is this great great grand daughter of Felix and Irina? Do you know?

Marilia was born 7-7-2004 and Yasmine-Xenia on 15-5-2006. I hope that clears the confusion.   
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: YH on August 08, 2014, 11:29:15 AM
Dear Steph,

your "facts" are all wrong, sorry to say...


Mariia Vamvakidi was born 7-7-2004 and Yasmine-Xenia Vamvakidi 17-5-2006


Tatiana was divorced and remarried Tony Vamvakidi 2003

;)Hello dear Valmont,

Here I have the following facts:

Prince Felix was married to Princess Irina of Russia, this you all know, and they had only one daughter : Irina Youssoupova, called Bebe (1915-1983).

Bebe married count Nicolas Cheremeteff in 1938 and they also had but one daughter : Countess Xenia Cheremeteff (born in 1942).

Countess Xenia married in 1965 Ilias Styris (born in 1932) and they had a daughter : Tatiana Styris (born in 1968).

Tatiana Styris married in 1996 Alexis Giamakoupoulos (born in 1963) and here we are. They have a daughter called Marilia, certainly born in 1997 (I suppose) and who must be 8 years old. I will try to find out if she has little brothers or sisters.

Besides, I will precise that the picture represents not Bebe but Countess Xenia with her little grand daughter Marilia. I recieved the book yesterday (French version of Lost splendor, called Prince Félix Youssoupov : Mémoires, last edition 2005) and there is this picture that I will try to scan. Wish I were more learned in the art of the computer, but I will try anyway!

Love to all

Steph

Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: YH on May 20, 2015, 08:03:17 AM
;)Hello dear Valmont,

Here I have the following facts:

Prince Felix was married to Princess Irina of Russia, this you all know, and they had only one daughter : Irina Youssoupova, called Bebe (1915-1983).

Bebe married count Nicolas Cheremeteff in 1938 and they also had but one daughter : Countess Xenia Cheremeteff (born in 1942).

Countess Xenia married in 1965 Ilias Styris (born in 1932) and they had a daughter : Tatiana Styris (born in 1968).

Tatiana Styris married in 1996 Alexis Giamakoupoulos (born in 1963) and here we are. They have a daughter called Marilia, certainly born in 1997 (I suppose) and who must be 8 years old. I will try to find out if she has little brothers or sisters.

Besides, I will precise that the picture represents not Bebe but Countess Xenia with her little grand daughter Marilia. I recieved the book yesterday (French version of Lost splendor, called Prince Félix Youssoupov : Mémoires, last edition 2005) and there is this picture that I will try to scan. Wish I were more learned in the art of the computer, but I will try anyway!

Love to all

Steph

Hello Steph,

all this info is wrong!

Better do your homework before lightly posting false info.

Regards,
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: YH on May 20, 2015, 08:05:39 AM
:D

Hello,

I have not the pretention to be an expert of this prestigious family but please try to buy the book on amazon.fr (Félix Youssoupov : Mémoires, éditions du Rocher)  and you will find this picture with the following legend:  Xenia Cheremeteff Sfiri (and it is written Sfiri) avec sa petite-fille Marilia, arrière-arrière-petite-fille de Félix Youssoupov (which means: Xenia Cheremeteff Sfiri and her grand daughter Marilia, great great grand daughter of Felix Yussupov.)

What interest would I have in lying?  I was just pleased to tell you all that the line is yet not broken and I wanted to share this joy with you. That's all. It can so easily be proved. Why should I ly ?

It is no fair insulting someone before knowing the truth.

Love to all,

Steph



It is no fair of spreading libel either before knowing something for a fact....
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: LisaDavidson on May 20, 2015, 11:47:42 AM
Steph: You are a bit misinformed about the family of Madame Xenia Sfiris, who among other things, attended the burial of Emperor Nicholas II in 1998 and provided the sample of mt DNA which helped to positively identify HIM.

You are correct that Xenia Sfiris had only one child, Tatiana Sfiris. Tatiana married twice. Her first marriage to Alexei Giannakoupoulos (I hope I got this name right) had no issue. So there is no such person as Marila Giannakoupoulos!

Tatiana's second marriage appears to be happier, in that she and her husband Anthony (Tony) Vamvakidis, are the proud parents of two lovely daughters, Marila and Yasmine Xenia Vamvakidis. I hope these two grow up to be healthy and happy. They will carry, however, the identical mt DNA as their collateral ancestor, the Tsar Nicholas II, unless it has mutated.

How do I know this? I am acquainted with their father, Tony, a very nice gentleman who understandably does not want his two beauties publically misidentified, at least in case of the first, Marila, as daughters of another man. This one's for you, Tony, and please pass on our best wishes from the Alexander Palace Forum to you and Tatiana and your girls. And if you wish to keep them private and not share photos, we will absolutely respect that.
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: Forum Admin on May 20, 2015, 12:00:34 PM
Also, please do notice that the posts in question were put up a full decade ago, and only now just brought to our attention.

FA
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: YH on November 14, 2016, 11:07:49 AM
Many thanks for restituting the truth FA and Lisa!
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: bednayaliza on March 10, 2018, 05:48:56 AM
(https://a.radikal.ru/a21/1803/8f/0f6463ddb844t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/fp/kiyhxcgpeurme)

Irina Felixovna by Aimee-Liouba Borisova
Title: Re: Countess Irina Sheremeteva (Bebe,daughter of Felix) and her descendants
Post by: YH on March 17, 2018, 04:00:11 AM
Tatiana Tony Marilia and Yasmine all live in Europe between South of France and the Greek Islands.