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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => French Royals => Topic started by: Prince_Lieven on August 17, 2005, 05:12:41 AM

Title: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 17, 2005, 05:12:41 AM
I thought that we simply must have a thread for the beautiful chateaux of France. Now, since plenty of very nice people have put pics of Versailles on the Louis XIV thread, there is no need for more here - but anything else, feel free to add: Chambord, Blois, Fountainebleu etc!

Here's one of Chambord:

(http://zigwen.free.fr/tof/france/blois/chambord0_grand.jpg)
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 17, 2005, 05:13:59 AM
And one of Fountainebleu:

(http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/arch/16thc/Fontainbleau01.jpg)
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: cimbrio on August 17, 2005, 05:39:18 AM
They'e beautoful Prince! Thanks for posting them! Who does Chambord belong to? I know it was inherited by Roberto I of Parma but I gather his descendants lost it to the French government or something like that...
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 17, 2005, 06:01:34 AM
No prob, cimbrio! Here's a list of everyone who has owned/lived in Chambord:

# Francois I who had it built, and only lived there for 6 months.
# Henri II, Francois II, Charles IX, Henri III.
# Henri IV, Louis XIII who left the chateau in dereliction.
# Gaston d'Orleans (who received it as a gift from Louis XIII) saved the chateau from ruin by carrying out much restoration.
# Louis XIV, who liked to visit the chateau to hunt, and enjoy pastoral Court life.
# Louis XV, who had his father-in-law, Stanislas Leszczynski, King of Poland, who had been stripped of his throne, live there from 1725 to 1733.
# Marshal Maurice de Saxe from 1745 to 1750 (Louis XV gave him Chambord to reward his courage during the Battle of Fontenoy).
# The 15th Cohort of the Legion of Honor (thanks to Napoleon I).
# Marshal Berthier, the future prince of Wagram (gift from Napoleon).
# Charles X in 1830.
# Henri V, Duke of Bordeaux, future Count of Chambord.
# Prince Elie de Bourbon-Parme (by inheritance in 1910).
Since his descendants were of Austrian nationality, the chateau was sequestered during World War I.
# Henri de Bourbon, Count of Paris.

The French government the purchased it for 11 million Francs, and conducted extensive reparations work from 1947-77.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Lisa on August 17, 2005, 06:27:20 AM
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# Louis XV, who had his father, Stanislas Leszczynski, King of Poland, who had been stripped of his throne, live there from 1725 to 1733.


...father-in-law... ;)
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 17, 2005, 07:34:45 AM
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...father-in-law... ;)


Sorry Lisa, typo.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 17, 2005, 10:32:52 AM
View of Blois from the courtyard:

(http://blois.in2p3.fr/2002/images/blois-image01.jpg)
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Lisa on August 17, 2005, 11:27:18 AM
Official  site about the Fontainebleau castel (only in French, sorry!)
http://www.musee-chateau-fontainebleau.fr/
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Silja on August 17, 2005, 04:43:31 PM
What a coincidence this thread has been set up. I've just returned from a trip to the Loire valley. Just marvellous!!!
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: RomanovFan on August 17, 2005, 06:10:11 PM
(http://his.nicolas.free.fr/Histoire/Monuments/Chateaux/Versailles/VersaillesCoteJardin1_WEB.jpg)

http://www.chateauversailles.fr/

The Château de Versailles was built by one of the King Louis'. It was originally a hunting lodge for the king and then rooms were added later on, including the famous hall of mirrors.

http://www.daysofroyalty.com/
This site includes links to all of the famous palaces of the world, including the Peterhof Palace in Russia.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 18, 2005, 08:56:19 AM
Those pics are fab, Helene! Here's one of the Louvre - at least this was one that I have actually been too!

(http://www.roi-president.com/galerie/images/Louvre.jpg)

And another:

(http://pharaohs.addr.com/louvre.jpg)

And one for the road!

(http://www.cis.nctu.edu.tw/~whtsai/World%20Highlights/New%20Side%20Show%20Webpages/originalimages/France%201998---Louvre%20Museum%20in%20Paris.jpg)
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Silja on August 18, 2005, 02:12:26 PM
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Beautiful pictures everyones :D

Silja what castles have you seen ? Do you have pictures :) ?



No, unfortunately I haven't got any pictures. No scanner or anything of the sort. I'm quite backward regarding my computer system.

I've been to Blois, Chaumont, Cheverny, Chambord, Amboise, Chenonceau, Loches, Villandry, and Azay-le-Rideau.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 22, 2006, 06:30:14 PM
Does anyone have any pictures or diagrams of the old chateau de Tuileries and where it was in relation to the Louvre and the jardins de Tuileries? The last time I was in Paris, my husband and I walked all over the Tuileries gardens and the Louvre trying to figure out where exactly the old palace was before it was burnt and torn down in the 1870's.  I have not been able to find a diagram that was helpful. (For those who are familiar with Paris, I am sure this is a stupid request; please be indulgent with a benighted North American.)
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Mili on January 23, 2006, 02:16:47 AM
Hey there, here's a site which contains a handful of pics of the old Tuileries along with photos of other Parisian landmarks damaged by the Commune.
http://www.library.northwestern.edu/spec/siege/landscapes.html For the relational concept, try here http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Louvre.png





I too stood in the Jardin des Tuileries for ages when i was in Paris in '03 wondering where this great monument of the 19th century stood. Mind you, i didn't know much about it all then.
The third link contains some redevelopment proposals of the Tuileries. How exciting they're thinking of rebuilding it!!  ;D :D

-Hope this helps
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 23, 2006, 08:05:17 AM
Excellent! Thanks, Mili. Those are great photos! Now I have more of a sense where it was in relation to the gardens. It was really a magnificent place; too bad it was destroyed.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Mili on January 23, 2006, 08:16:51 AM
Ah but worry not you may be seeing the Tuileries in all its 'original' glory one day in the future. The original furniture was removed during the Franco-Prussian war and stored in safehouses, so keep your fingers crossed and hope that they approve the plan and get enough funding to rebuild the wonderful palace of the Tuileries and complete the Parisian axis once more  ;)
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 23, 2006, 08:24:31 AM
That is very exciting that they will rebuild it. It should not be difficult with all those photos of the interior! I had no idea the they had saved the furniture! I can't wait to see it!
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: coquelicot on January 23, 2006, 09:02:54 AM
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Ah but worry not you may be seeing the Tuileries in all its 'original' glory one day in the future. The original furniture was removed during the Franco-Prussian war and stored in safehouses, so keep your fingers crossed and hope that they approve the plan and get enough funding to rebuild the wonderful palace of the Tuileries and complete the Parisian axis once more  


Do you think they will really do that ? And that it is possible ? Concreately, I mean... Oh, I'd love to see those Tuileries rebuilt, but I doubt the french will ever do so... You're right, Milli, let's cross our fingers !
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 23, 2006, 11:27:14 AM
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Do you think they will really do that ? And that it is possible ? Concreately, I mean... Oh, I'd love to see those Tuileries rebuilt, but I doubt the french will ever do so... You're right, Milli, let's cross our fingers !



Here is a plan of the area in the 18th C. Interestingly there was a whole quartier (Quartier du Caroussel) between the Tuileries and the Louvre with streets and houses. The Guillotine was first set up on Place du Caroussel in 1792, but was moved later that year to Place de la Concorde (Place Louis XV).

In the 19th C the quarter was demolished and the Louvre was connected up to the Tuileries. In 1870 the Tuileries burnt down - leaving the arrangement we see today.

I doubt very much that the Tuileries will be rebuilt. It would block the sightlines from the Louvre to the Arc de Triomphe and on to La Défense.

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/bell_the_cat/IMG0025.gif)


Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 23, 2006, 11:35:22 AM
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Here is a plan of the area in the 18th C. Interestingly there was a whole quartier (Quartier du Caroussel) between the Tuileries and the Louvre with streets and houses. The Guillotine was first set up on Place du Caroussel in 1792, but was moved later that year to Place de la Concorde (Place Louis XV).

In the 19th C the quarter was demolished and the Louvre was connected up to the Tuileries. In 1870 the Tuileries burnt down - leaving the arrangement we see today.

I doubt very much that the Tuileries will be rebuilt. It would block the sightlines from the Louvre to the Arc de Triomphe and on to La Défense.

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/bell_the_cat/IMG0025.gif)




Thank you again, Bell. I thought that the Tuileries and the Louvre were connected, but I see that they were not, unless I am reading the map wrong. I had no idea that the Place du Caroussel had been a little neighborhood. This is very helpful.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 23, 2006, 11:46:58 AM
They were connected (but at first floor level i.e. above the streets) along the banks of the Seine. I think this link was built by Catherine de Medicis and Henri IV.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 23, 2006, 11:57:17 AM
Oh, I see. I WAS reading the map wrong. Thanks, cousin.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 23, 2006, 12:56:39 PM
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Oh, I see. I WAS reading the map wrong. Thanks, cousin.


Oh cousin! Well I suppose it's possible!



Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 23, 2006, 01:00:30 PM
I wonder why the Tuileries became the main part of the palace where the royalty lived, and not the Louvre?
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 23, 2006, 01:07:18 PM
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I wonder why the Tuileries became the main part of the palace where the royalty lived, and not the Louvre?


Here's a better map which shows the link:

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/bell_the_cat/IMG0019.gif)

Until the 18 th C the area beyond the Tuileries was open countryside, so it was much better air than living in the Louvre which was right in the middle of the stench of the city. The royals could use the link to get to the Tuileries on foot, where they had access to gardens and countryside. In Florence there is a similar arrangement which goes over the river to get to the Pitti palace.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 23, 2006, 01:14:47 PM
Oooh! I see! Thank you!! :) Really interesting! I never knew all that. I wonder what is the linguistic origin of the word "Tuileries?"
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 23, 2006, 01:20:05 PM
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Oooh! I see! Thank you!! :) Really interesting! I never knew all that. I wonder what is the linguistic origin of the word "Tuileries?"


In mediaeval times it was a place where roof tiles ("tuiles") were fabricated for the buildings of Paris.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 23, 2006, 01:37:07 PM
Thanks. I remember now. Is the link still there or was it destroyed?
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 23, 2006, 01:43:31 PM
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Thanks. I remember now. Is the link still there or was it destroyed?


It's still there - in the 19th C Napoleon and Napoleon III
built a symmetrical wing along the rue de Rivoli. It's difficult for the modern visitor to distinguish between the two wings - although they are three centuries apart.

this is Turgot's view of 1737:

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/bell_the_cat/t17.jpg)
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 23, 2006, 02:42:17 PM
Thanks, this is the best picture yet! No wonder I walked all over, not being able to find where the Tuileries had stood. It is not where I thought it was at all!

I recall reading that in the Tuileries gardens, while Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette were in residence during the Revolution, a plot was given to the little Dauphin (Louis XVII) in which he could grow vegetables and flowers. The same patch of ground was used by Napoleon's little boy, the "King of Rome," as his garden and again by young Henri de Cambord several years later. How poignant that three small boys, three princes, who all played in roughly the same area of those vast gardens, were never to sit on the thrones intended for them.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Mili on January 23, 2006, 08:42:07 PM
Hehe where did you think it was?
The committee in charge of the rebuilding of the Tuileries is legitimate and i'd say they're really pushing for its rebuilding, however their site indicates that the project has been at a bit of a standstill for the past year or so, so i take it they're having trouble with donations (the French Gvmnt won't pay a dime for the project). However i will stay positive in the hope of seeing the magnificent palace one day before i die.  :)
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 23, 2006, 09:00:45 PM
I thought it was closer to the Louvre.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Mili on January 23, 2006, 09:21:09 PM
Did Napoleon III actually reside in the apartments that are on public display in the louvre? I just can't seem to believe that next to the tuileries, st. cloud, versailles etc that he chose the louvre.

Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 23, 2006, 09:39:51 PM
I don't know, Mili. I never heard that he lived in the Louvre. Maybe he just slept there. Oh, well, one of our resident experts will surely know.

Is there a picture of Eugenie's bed?
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Mili on January 23, 2006, 09:47:41 PM
Im guessing its a photo of their marital bed, but im sure you'd agree the background looks a bit too suss to be authentic.
By the by, how do you pronounce Eugenie?
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 23, 2006, 10:01:45 PM
I think they each had their own bedroom; most royal couples did.

Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Mili on January 23, 2006, 10:06:33 PM
Yep, but to my recollection that was the only one on display. Feel free to correct me...
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 24, 2006, 01:05:48 AM
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Hehe where did you think it was?
The committee in charge of the rebuilding of the Tuileries is legitimate and i'd say they're really pushing for its rebuilding, however their site indicates that the project has been at a bit of a standstill for the past year or so, so i take it they're having trouble with donations (the French Gvmnt won't pay a dime for the project). However i will stay positive in the hope of seeing the magnificent palace one day before i die.  :)


I admire your positive outlook!  :D
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Mili on January 24, 2006, 02:46:10 AM
Hope springs eternal ...  :)
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 24, 2006, 10:14:06 AM
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By the by, how do you pronounce Eugenie?


It depends on with whom I am speaking (if I use the true French pronunciation, most of the people where I live would have no idea about whom I am speaking), but please don't ask me to spell it out phonetically. How do you pronounce it?
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Mili on January 24, 2006, 07:33:31 PM
I say it in the german way rather than what i imagine the english way would sound like.
"Oy-g'n-ee" is how i think of it (the g is like that in 'goat' rather than the 'dg' sound in 'bridge')
Hahah i can imagine how wrong that would sound to non-german speaking folk, it'd be so different to the french!!
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 24, 2006, 08:16:54 PM
Well, Mili, how you pronounce it sounds more authentic and closer to the French than how most Americans would say it. Of course, most people in the town where I live do not even know who Eugenie was.... ::)
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 25, 2006, 01:30:19 AM
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I say it in the german way rather than what i imagine the english way would sound like.
"Oy-g'n-ee" is how i think of it (the g is like that in 'goat' rather than the 'dg' sound in 'bridge')
Hahah i can imagine how wrong that would sound to non-german speaking folk, it'd be so different to the french!!


Try "Err...shay...nee" for the french version!

That's Err (as if you are hesitating), Shay (like say with a sh), nee (as in "knee").
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 25, 2006, 08:43:09 AM
Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: gleb on January 25, 2006, 02:09:42 PM
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Did Napoleon III actually reside in the apartments that are on public display in the louvre? I just can't seem to believe that next to the tuileries, st. cloud, versailles etc that he chose the louvre. Also if he did reside in these apartments, i find it hard to believe that the wall in the following picture is authentic http://www.slowtrips.com/photo/data/3401/P1010020.JPG
??? ???. Just doesnt seem right to me.
Be gentle
-M


That is not Napoleon III's bed. He used to live on the ground floor of Les Tuileries, which as you all know are destroyed.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Mili on January 25, 2006, 07:37:03 PM
So are you saying the apartments were opened JUST for public viewing at what it was probably like to live as a royal in those days? Hmmm not fair!
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Heinrich IV on April 12, 2006, 11:35:02 AM
Does anybody know where the Royal residence was from 1814-1830?
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: bell_the_cat on April 12, 2006, 12:50:40 PM
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Does anybody know where the Royal residence was from 1814-1830?

It was basically as in 1789-91: The Tuileries, and Saint Cloud in the summer.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Heinrich IV on April 12, 2006, 01:49:45 PM
Thanks! ;)
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Lisa on April 12, 2006, 03:30:23 PM
It depends of the King/Emperor
Renaissance times: Chambord, Amboise, Blois, Fontainebleau http://www.musee-chateau-fontainebleau.fr/
Anne d'Autriche: le Palais Royal (to Monsieur, Louis XIV's brother) http://www.insecula.com/musee/M0043.html
Le Louvre (until Louis XIV who left it beacause of the Fronde")
Until the Revolution (1789-93): Mainly in Versailles http://www.chateauversailles.fr/en/, but also Saint-Cloud burnt in 1870 http://saintcloud.histoire.free.fr/histoir002.html (in French), The Palace of Tuileries burnt during the Commune in 1871 destroyed few years after palace of Luxembourg(1615-1793) which is now the Sénat. The Luxembourg became in 1817 a gallery for "living" artits (in spite of the Louvre).http://www.senat.fr/visite/index.html  http://www.insecula.com/musee/M0124.html

After the Révolution Versailles and The Louvre never became royal residences.The Louvre little by little became a museum. In 1837 The king Louis-Philippe decided to open Versailles as a museum of "All the glories of France" (with the famous gallery of battles).
Napoléon I: La Malmaison (actually it's Joséphine's own residence) http://www.chateau-malmaison.fr/
  Le Grand Trianon in Versailles http://www.chateauversailles.fr/en/121_The_Grand_Trianon.php

Napoléon III: Espacially the Tuileries
Compiègne http://www.musee-chateau-fontainebleau.fr/
Chateau de Saint-Germain-en-Laye (1862: museum of national antiquities by Napoléon III) http://www.musee-antiquitesnationales.fr/pages/page_id18203_u1l2.htm
Le Palais de l'Elysée (see bellow for the link)


Well, I think I don't forget something... I quote the most important at least...
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Lisa on April 12, 2006, 03:48:42 PM
1814-1830: The Restauration (of the royalty)
Louis XVIII
Charles X
Residences:
Official residence: Versailles
château de Rambouillet (Charles X abdiquated here)
château de Compiègne
The Palais de l'Elysée (now residence of the President of French republic) http://www.elysee.fr/elysee/elysee.fr/anglais/the_elysee_palace/history_of_the_elysee_palace/history_of_the_elysee_palace.20248.html
Saint-Cloud
Les Tuileries

for Louis Philippe: château de Saint-Leu (but a private residence) http://www.ac-rouen.fr/pedagogie/equipes/eculturel/dossier_cmlp/site_du_musee/nouvellepage26.htm
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: bell_the_cat on April 12, 2006, 07:55:26 PM
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1814-1830: The Restauration (of the royalty)
Louis XVIII
Charles X
Residences:
Official residence: Versailles
château de Rambouillet (Charles X abdiquated here)
château de Compiègne
The Palais de l'Elysée (now residence of the President of French republic) http://www.elysee.fr/elysee/elysee.fr/anglais/the_elysee_palace/history_of_the_elysee_palace/history_of_the_elysee_palace.20248.html
Saint-Cloud
Les Tuileries


Thanks Lisa

Surely the last two were their main residences, though. I don't think they used Versailles much. :-/
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Lisa on April 13, 2006, 04:21:15 AM
Yes, you are right. Versailles was the official residence, but they used it only for receptions, etc. They certainly did not lived there every days!
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: ipflo on April 16, 2006, 02:12:52 PM
Besides the residence mentioned for Louise Philippe he also used: the Palais Royal in Paris, the château of Neuilly-sur-Seine, unfortunately destroyed during 1848, and the château of La Ferte Vidame/
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: pouvoir aux canard on July 10, 2006, 11:54:45 AM
I apologize for beeing so discourteous and pedant, but ... "my heart belongs to my History" and... some names ARE History... so, to elena_maria_vidal :

-we (french people) say (and we write) Chàteau des Tuileries (not de Tuileries) (sorry I cannot dial the right french "accent circonflexe" on the "a" because my computer is an italian one)
-the Henri you tell of in this thread is Henri Charles Ferdinand Marie Dieudonné de Bourbon, comte d'Artois, etc (Artois is a sovereignty name, eventually a title, not a family name and Wikipedia is often wrong) called until the death of King Charles X his grandfather  duc de Bordeaux, then called comte de Chambord (not Cambord) and later Henri V . Anyway, I want to say you that I formerly knew and then forgot the fact of the little garden, so thank you so much...  (Henri was born posthumous and had a sad youth for many reasons)

And now to bell_the_cat :

you tell about Place du Carrousel (not Caroussel), and to try to obtain your perdon here are the meanings of the word: 1/ a parade with horses "dancing" with traditional movements and attitudes of old equestrian art on the sound of music or/and shoutings of their riders... It was a marvellous and moving scene that kings,  princes and sometimes ambassadors gave to Paris'people for weddings, births, entries...        2/ the place were such exhibitions acted.
Now the word has 2 other senses : 3/ a merry-go-round  and 4/ cars or planes, etc, moving round

I know I deserve all your angryness because I am pedant and I write so BAD english...

C-C

Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: bell_the_cat on August 14, 2006, 03:43:05 PM
Interestingly, the Pavillon de Flore, the only part of the Tuileries to survive (the southernmost corner overlooking the Seine), contained the apartments of Madame Elisabeth and the Princesse de Lamballe - on different floors of course- during 1789-92.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: David_Pritchard on August 14, 2006, 05:21:16 PM
-we (french people) say (and we write) Chàteau des Tuileries (not de Tuileries) (sorry I cannot dial the right french "accent circonflexe" on the "a" because my computer is an italian one)

Mon cher M. Canard,

You can make some adjustments to your computer to use the French arrangement on your keyboard that will allow you to use the various letters needed to write French words correctly. On my own computer, I simply go to the image of a small keyboard at the bottom of my screen and click on the keyboard that I want to use: EN, DE, FR, RU, PT and ES. When I click on FR, I have use of these letters: é, è, ç, à, ù and if I had greater number of keys than the standard English key board I would have additional letters to use such as these: ê, ï, î, ë, ê, â.

I do have an unrelated question for you though, when I learned French we still wrote the word 'sœur' with the letter œ is this letter still used in the French language or has it been dropped?

David
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: lovebourbons on October 21, 2006, 09:32:43 PM
According to the National Comitee For the Restoration of the Tuileries if and when the palace is restored the state apartments will be restored to what they looked like when Napoleon III was in residence in 1870 while the rest of the palace could be given off to art galleries for the louvre's collections to expand, ministries' offices, a very own museum deticated to the Tuileries, and An observation area at the top of the Salle des Marechaux's dome. So as you can see it would place a place for both the public and for the government.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: pouvoir aux canard on September 12, 2007, 09:26:35 AM
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to Mr Pritchard

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Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Mari on September 14, 2007, 07:29:14 AM
Can anyone show a larger picture of the rooms in color? Particularly the red one....
Thank you!
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: ipflo on May 11, 2008, 03:27:51 AM
hi,

Does some one know where I can find information about the disappeared château of Neuilly sur Seine, once one of the favourite residences of Louis Philippe, and Joachim Murat.

Thanks in advance,

ipflo
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Mari on May 11, 2008, 04:45:10 AM
 Chateau de Neuilly


 The castle of Neuilly was at Neuilly-sur-Seine.


The area covered a vast Park of 170 acres called "park of Neuilly" which included any  part of  Neuilly ranging between the avenue of Rolls and the town of Levallois-Perret. This unit had been divided into two very unequal parts on which two castles had been built:  The castle of Villiers in the east, seems to have been only one large middle-class house,  with 24 parts and a beautiful garden separated by a palisade from the park of Neuilly itself. This property was finally attached to the preceding one in the early nineteenth century; * The castle of Neuilly, in the west, had been built in 1751, with the site of  construction dating from the middle of the seventeenth century, for the count d' Argenson, Secretary of State for War of Louis XV, who had acquired the property in 1741. Decorated of an Ionic order and raised on several terraces dominating the Seine, the building was designed by the architect Jean-Sylvain Cartaud. After the French Revolution, the castle belonged to Radix de Sainte-Foy, who sold it in beginning of 1792 to  Ms. de Montesson. Under the Consulate, the latter sold it to businessmen Delannoy and Vandenberghe who rented it like a second home to Talleyrand, who gave splendid festivals  before selling it to Murat at the beginning of 1804. The latter also acquired the castle of Villiers and joins together the two fields. There was important work and expansions, in particular adding two wings to the main Palace and gave sumptuous feasts  as at the time of the crowning of Napoleon king of' Italy in 1805. Murat become king of Naples (1808), all his possessions were gathered together in the area of the crown. The princess, Pauline Borghèse, Sister of the emperor, then accepted the property for staffing and she also gave superb festivals. In 1814, the area was returned to the Crown. July 16, 1819, it was acquired by the Duke of Orleans, future Louis-Philippe in exchange for Chartres, located at the street of  Saint-Thomas of the Louvre, which belonged to him. He transformed the castle by Pierre-François-Léonard Fontaine and expanded the area by the acquisition of 7 small islands in the middle of the Seine which he connected to the castle by a  bridge wire to be able to reach the island known today under the name of  Island of Love ? where he transfered the "Temple of Love", that his father Philippe-Equality, then duke of Chartres, had set up in 1774 at the Park Monceau (known as  the "folly of Chartres") in Paris (V Île of the Bowl). The family of Orleans liked the castle of Neuilly particularly, where it took its neighborhood's summer's well.  With its long and low buildings, it retained a discretion which suited the middle-class monarchy. The park,  for the greatest part in grove, was surrounded by a high enclosing wall which concealed it from sight. At the time of the revolution of 1848, the castle was burned and looted on February 25, 1848. Only one of the wings built by Murat remained, occupied today by the Congregation of Sisters of  Saint-Thomas Villeneuve  (52, boulevard of Argenson). Confiscated by Napoleon III in 1852 with the assets of the house of Orleans, the park was divided into 700 lots which, after the creation of seven boulevards of 30 meters wide and nine streets limited to 15 meters of width,  which were the object of successive auctions from 1854.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Lucien on July 18, 2008, 01:50:26 AM
The Louvre:

http://www.louvre.fr/liv/commun/home.jsp?bmLocale=en


Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Mari on July 18, 2008, 05:09:05 AM
Very nice links!
 Chenonceau is still  my favorite building and Fontainebleau second. I have a huge Poster I bought as a Child. Given as a present  to his Mistress Diane de Poitier by Henri II of France it is a Chateau more than a Palace but it is so beautiful.
 
http://www.chenonceau.com/media/gb/index_gb.php
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Decadence on November 11, 2008, 04:43:07 PM
I love the sweeping staircases at Fontainebleu.

Versailles is very big. We had limited time when we went there but it was wonderful. The rooms were huge even when there were like a billion other tourists buzzing around. It's a wonderful place. Possibly quite eighteenth century tacky, but very beautiful.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: pers on February 12, 2009, 12:29:09 PM
The state of the Tuileries Palace was not real good in October 1789 when Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette moved into it. 

The only part of the palace that was used from time to time by the Royal Family, was the Queen's apartment on the upper floor.  From 1783 onwards, Marie Antoinette used this apartment as a pied-a-terre when she visited Paris for opera etc. and it was too late to drive back to Versailles.  The apartment on the upper floor was the officiall Queen's apartment and was last occupied by the wife of Louis XIV, Marie Therese. In 1789, the Queen's apartment was turned over to Madame Royale and the Dauphin.  Louis XVI occupied the King's apartment.

Marie Antoinette chose the apartment directly below the Queen's official apartment as her de facto apartment.  Initially these rooms were prepared for Dowager Queen Anne, Louis XIV's mother, but her death in 1666 changed the plans and it became known as the Dauphin's apartment.  By 1789 it has been occupied by the Comtesse de la Mark for quite a number of years.  She was turned out of the rooms and Marie Antoinette moved into this apartment situated on the ground floor.  The apartment was the same size as the by now former Queen's apartment upstairs, except that the ceilings were slightly lower in height.

The apartment on the lower floor consisted of a guard room, an anteroom, the billiards/dining room, the salon, the Queen's bedroom, her cabinet de toilette as well as a bathroom with bath and an ingenuous bidet/toilet, which apparently today is still conserved at Versailles.  There was an entresol level as well above the cabinet de toilette that was reached by a small staircase that also led to the suite on the upper floor.  Behind the diningroom, salon and bedroom towards the staircase, ran a corridor that had no natural light and was only lit by two lanterns 24/7.  It was down this corridor that one of the King's staff came one night to try and murder the Queen.  Her valet de chambre however took care of the man...
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: pers on April 17, 2009, 11:56:00 AM
I found the following link to a French discussion forum.  There is a treasure trove of information by one of the contributors, a "M. de Castelnau".  Could one of our French speaking members please be so kind as to look at it and translate it for us for this forum, PLEASE!!!
http://maria-antonia.justgoo.com/les-autres-lieux-f21/le-palais-des-tuileries-t447-60.htm
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: LillyO on July 18, 2009, 09:44:04 PM
I have pictures of Chenonceau, Chambord, Fontainbleu, Cheverny, Versailles, Petite Trianon and the Hamlet, Louvre, and maybe a few other places.
I don't know how to post pictures on this site, so if anyone is interested in seeing any photos I took, can you tell me how to do it?  Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Alexandre64 on July 25, 2009, 10:38:36 AM
The Louvre in a War:

(http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww139/Romanov_06/louvre/361.jpg)

(http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww139/Romanov_06/louvre/20026-171.jpg)

(http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww139/Romanov_06/louvre/20572-95B15D1.jpg)
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Soane on August 10, 2009, 11:35:14 AM
Chenonceau is still  my favorite building and Fontainebleau second. I have a huge Poster I bought as a Child. Given as a present  to his Mistress Diane de Poitier by Henri II of France it is a Chateau more than a Palace but it is so beautiful.

I toured the Loire last summer and stayed at a friend's chateau near Tours. It was by far the best holiday I have ever had; I could have spent months there, but, alas, I had only 2 weeks. I managed to see Chambord (twice), Chenonceau, Cheverny, Chaumont, Blois, Langeais, Azay-le-Rideau, Amboise (twice), Chinon, Usse, Brissac and Saumur. I couldn't possibly pick a favourite, but Chenonceau was really rather stunning.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Soane on August 10, 2009, 06:39:45 PM
I am a little perturbed by the news that there is a committee lobbying for the rebuilding of the Palais des Tuileries. Although it would be interesting to see the palace, and indeed the entire Louvre complex, as it looked c.1870, I very much doubt that the vast cost of the project could be borne - especially in the absence of any government funding.

It has been said that the rebuilding of the Tuileries would provide not only additional exhibition space for the Louvre, but also government offices and an appropriate home for the furniture, objets d'art and other items that were removed from the palace before its destruction. In addition, the Axe Historique that runs from La Defense under the Arc de Triomphe and through the Tuileries gardens was originally centred on the palace facade not the off-centre Louvre.

However, even if sufficient funds could be raised, what on earth would be the point of rebuilding the Tuileries? It was, undeniably, a beautiful building and its loss was a tragedy. It was also a building that had developed and changed under the reigns of several kings (and, indeed, Emperors), the supervision of several architects and had been constructed by several generations of stone masons, carpenters, sculptors, gilders and painters; there is no possible way of reconstructing and recreating such a rich web of evolution - the result would simply be soulless.
Perhaps the money could be spent more productively; perhaps by setting up a rigorous checking system that ensures that only tourists who actually appreciate the art held in the Louvre can gain access. Those tourists who only go there to gawp at the Mona Lisa and experience the entire museum through a camera lens should be turned away at the door.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Agneschen on August 11, 2009, 08:02:41 AM
Why, I own I cannot agree though I see your point. What would have become of Dresden's wonderful historical heritage or of Peterhof & Tsarkoie Selo in Russia if people had reasoned as you do after the end of WW2 ? Various historically significant buildings have been damaged / destroyed and then rebuild over the centuries. There is as much point in rebuilding the Tuileries palace as there is in rebuilding the Berliner Stadtschloss for instance.
I for one am ready to contribute in my own modest way but would never dream of giving a penny to bar tourists from the Louvre. If some people are stupid enough to go through the museum looking at its collections through a camera lens, so much the worse for them, but they have as much right to it as we have.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: REMI on August 11, 2009, 10:55:46 AM
Why, I own I cannot agree though I see your point. What would have become of Dresden's wonderful historical heritage or of Peterhof & Tsarkoie Selo in Russia if people had reasoned as you do after the end of WW2 ? Various historically significant buildings have been damaged / destroyed and then rebuild over the centuries. There is as much point in rebuilding the Tuileries palace as there is in rebuilding the Berliner Stadtschloss for instance.
I for one am ready to contribute in my own modest way but would never dream of giving a penny to bar tourists from the Louvre. If some people are stupid enough to go through the museum looking at its collections through a camera lens, so much the worse for them, but they have as much right to it as we have.

I agree with you, Agneschen. In 1871, during the "Commune", a lot of historical  buildings were burnt down They were all reconstructed except the Tuileries. Why? From a architectural point of view, il would  be fine that the perspective Arc de Triomphe -Ttuileries would be closed.

REMI
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Soane on August 25, 2009, 11:30:17 AM
I for one am ready to contribute in my own modest way but would never dream of giving a penny to bar tourists from the Louvre. If some people are stupid enough to go through the museum looking at its collections through a camera lens, so much the worse for them, but they have as much right to it as we have.

I was being ironic when I said that - obviously anyone has a right to enter a public museum; it was merely to highlight the tragically superficial attitude of so many, so-called 'cultural tourists'.

Further to my last post, I would also like to point out that the Tuileries was not that attractive a building (in my opinion) and lacked the unified dignity of - for instance - the east front of the Louvre. It was built sporadically, yes, but it always appeared to me to be a rather ponderous, with its breaks in rhythm and discordant massing. Anyone agree?
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 25, 2009, 12:08:21 PM
I agree, Soane. The Tuilleries palace is gone for over 100 years and Paris has adapted beautifully without it. The restorations in St. Petersburg were begun almost immediately after the destruction of war.  The Louvre could probably use more space to show it's vast collections, but I do not feel that would be a solution. There is still space at Versailles, for instance, for new galleries.  I have visited the Louvre 3 times in the past year.  Each time was for a specific purpose: one was to see the Pei Pyramids,  a work of art in themselves, another to see the French Crown Jewels [or what is left of them] and another Napoleon III's apartments. That was interesting, I thought they were lost  in 1871. Thus I avoided the 20 minute camera tourists [have not seen, nor care  to, the Mona Lisa in 30 years!]. However, those people are the life blood of any museum.  They need the money, plain and simple. Most museums do.  They receive less and less  funding every year.  I do not begrudge them at all. I also tend to travel off season anyway, so do not  encounter many of that sort of tourist. or groups.
 Yes, it would be impossible to recreate the Tuilleries with it looking  like something from Disney.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Soane on August 29, 2009, 05:25:24 AM
Yes, it would be impossible to recreate the Tuilleries with it looking  like something from Disney.

Speaking of 'something from Disney', I was shocked to discover that in the suburbs of Beijing, the Chinese multi-millionaire Zhang Yuchen has built a copy of the Château Maison-Laffitte (now called the Château de Maisons), which contains a hotel and seminar center opened in 2004. It is called Zhang-Laffitte and also features two additional wings apparently modelled on examples at Fontainebleau. I say 'copy' - it is in fact a rather bad pastiche of the original building, which is without doubt the most beautiful 17th-century building in France (completed c.1657 by Francois Mansart).
It frustrates me that people feel the need to copy existing buildings - which displays not only a complete lack of creativity, but a certain lack of respect for the building being copied - and even then have the audacity to do it badly. Please Google this building (both the copy and original) just to see what a monstrosity the former is and what a delight the latter is.
For those who, like me, live in England, I also harbour the same hatred for mock-Georgian and mock-Tudor houses. They must all be demolished.
Sorry for the rant.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: HSH The Duchess of Bourbon on September 22, 2009, 08:20:38 PM
any floor plans? 
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Georges duke of Kent on October 24, 2009, 02:03:22 AM
I would recommand that you adress yourself to the Musée de l'île de France in Sceaux. I saw there the most adequat painting of the interior permanent collection best regards.

Also see some preview here http://www.congregation-stv.org/UserFiles/File/chateauhistoire.pdf
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: pers on December 08, 2009, 07:06:43 PM
I do not think that if the French rebuild the Tuileries it will be Disney-like.  I think the French, like the Germans rebuilding the Palace in Berlin, will do an excellent job of it.  I think it is quite feasible if they can get the money together.  They have very detailed plans of the Tuileries and will be able to rebuild it just about exactly the way it was.  It will be a great addition to the Louvre as well as Paris as it has formed a central part of the city and the French history.
Title: Re: French Royal Palaces (except Versailles)
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 19, 2010, 06:46:14 AM
Speaking of 'something from Disney', I was shocked to discover that in the suburbs of Beijing, the Chinese multi-millionaire Zhang Yuchen has built a copy of the Château Maison-Laffitte (now called the Château de Maisons), which contains a hotel and seminar center opened in 2004. It is called Zhang-Laffitte and also features two additional wings apparently modelled on examples at Fontainebleau. I say 'copy' - it is in fact a rather bad pastiche of the original building, which is without doubt the most beautiful 17th-century building in France (completed c.1657 by Francois Mansart).

I think it's the ultimate honour for an architect if people want to copy his design. But I agree it's rather bad taste to copy a design wholesale, i.e. building an exact replica.  That's why I think the Zhang-Laffitte is not such a bad concept: It's a tribute to the original, but the white plaster (I presume it's plasterwork on bricks) is such an original take on a French château. Although white plastering is common on Danish castles (and on regular houses in certain regions in Western France), I've never seen it on a French-inspired castle.

I think it's more beautiful than many elements of the Second Empire style. E. g. I find the square dome on the Tuileries quite ugly.
Title: The Louvre
Post by: heavensent on March 08, 2013, 04:23:53 PM

 A magnificent building situated on the banks of the Seine.... once a Palace for the French Monarchy
now a world famous  Art Gallery and Museum....
http://celebheaven.freepowerboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=2146&p=6359#p6359




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