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Title: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: synnadene on August 22, 2005, 05:05:01 AM

Alexandra Pavlovna (the daughter of Tsar Paul I. and Sophie Dorothea von Wuerttemberg) was the 1st wife of Archduke Joseph Anton von Austria and lived 1783-1801.

Please post pics and everything about Alexandra.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: synnadene on August 22, 2005, 06:00:47 AM

Alexandra

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/romanov/romanov2/1783%20Alexandra.jpg)

(http://www.reform.hu/kepek/cikk/000570_20040918152325.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: synnadene on August 22, 2005, 06:04:18 AM

(http://www.agniart.ru/imgoods/G/012580/Borovikovsky33004.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Fay on August 22, 2005, 09:40:20 AM
Is it just me, or did she take after her father very much?
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Marc on August 23, 2005, 11:14:32 AM
Yes she did,especially on the last portrait!
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: leanora on August 23, 2005, 07:59:32 PM
I have read these entries in the book "the grand duchesses"

Alexandra Pavlovna was the first daughter of Paul I and Maria Feodorovna. She received the usual education of russian princesses and was taught french and german  as well as music and drawing. In 1796, she was engaged to the  King of sweden. She was only 13 years old. But the negociations failed because of religious considerations (catherine II wanted Alexandra to keep orthodoxy even after her marriage). This disappointment was said to be responsible of the heart attack which killed Catherine II in November 1796.

In 1799, to cement the alliance between Prussia and Russia, GD alexandra pavlovna was married to Archduke Joseph, governor of Hungary and younger brother of the emperor FRanz II.

A year and a half later, Alexandre died of a purpereal fever after giving birth to a daughter who died on the day of her birth. Alexandre was only 17. She was buried in Hungary.

A macabre poscript to Alexandra's short life was to occur half a century after her death. Revolution broke out in Hungary in 1848. The priest in charge of the chapel containing alexandra's tomb broke into the tomb and removed jewels from Alexandra's corpse. The priest was arrested and sent to siberia.

I have noticed that the name "Alexandra" is a curse in the romanov family. So many alexandra died in their youngfuls.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: crazy_wing on September 19, 2005, 10:03:15 PM
Alexandra's life was pretty tragic.  

She was engaged to the King of Sweden at 13.  The King of Sweden was a relative of Catherine.  Catherine wanted to bring Russia and Sweden closer (2 traditional enemies since Peter the Great's times).  Henri Troyat said in Catherine the Great that Alexandra and the King of Sweden fell in love at first sight.  Originally, Catherine wanted her granddaughter to marry after she turned 16 but since they loved each very much, the marriage was pushed earlier.  Unfortunately as mentioned by Leonora, Catherine would not allow Alexandra to convert to Protestant and so the talks broke down.  

Catherine herself changed religion to marry Peter; however, she would not let her granddaughter to convert for love and political reasons.  :-/

Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on September 20, 2005, 06:40:06 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/ap1.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: synnadene on September 20, 2005, 12:17:24 PM

Thank you crazy_wing and Svetabel!!! These pictures are wonderful!
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Daniela on September 21, 2005, 03:36:45 AM
She seems so sweet on these portraits.
How did her death affect her husband? If I remember correctly he married twice after Alexandra died.

Daniela
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: crazy_wing on September 21, 2005, 03:55:25 PM
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She seems so sweet on these portraits.
How did her death affect her husband? If I remember correctly he married twice after Alexandra died.

Daniela


Yes, afterwards, he married Hermine of Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym in 1815.  She also died after giving birth to a set of twins Stephan Franz and Hermine Amalie in 1817.

Then he married Marie of Württemberg in 1819.

Alexandra died in 1801 and he didn't remarry after more than a decade.  Then when Hermine died, he remarried within 2 yrs.   This is kind of strange.

Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alfredo on December 29, 2005, 10:37:40 AM
New book about Alexandra Pavlovna (Budapest. Hungary):

http://dinastia.org
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on December 30, 2005, 12:29:10 AM
The book had been already published in soft-cover. Very informative book I'd say.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: José on January 08, 2006, 01:59:28 PM
Can someone post a photo of A.Dk Josef of Habsburg, pls
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Lisa on February 14, 2006, 08:03:05 AM
ALEXANDRA PAVLOVNA 1783-1801


(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9256/sanonymegatchina60cm40cm5am.th.jpg) (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanonymegatchina60cm40cm5am.jpg)   (http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2201/14yj.th.jpg) (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14yj.jpg)  
1791 by LEVITSKI: (http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9325/1791levitskialexandrapav1yb.th.jpg) (http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1791levitskialexandrapav1yb.jpg)  1792 by LAMPI the Young: (http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9633/slampiii70cm535cmgatchina8mb.th.jpg) (http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slampiii70cm535cmgatchina8mb.jpg)
1796 by BOROVIKOVSKI: (http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1957/1796borovikovskigatchina72cm48.th.jpg) (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1796borovikovskigatchina72cm48.jpg)

1797 with her sister Elena by Elisabeth VIGE-LEBRUN:(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/8567/1797vigeelebrunalexandraelena6.th.jpg) (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1797vigeelebrunalexandraelena6.jpg)

Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: imperial angel on April 10, 2006, 11:05:40 AM
She did look amazingly like her father the Emperor Paul;  so she was not exactly a beauty. She was a tragic one though, as were many Alexandras in the Romanov Family. Anyway, her marriage was one of the only ones of a Romanov to a Hapsburg correct? What was done about the issue of Alexandra's religion in this case? Was she allowed to remain orthodox?
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on April 11, 2006, 09:40:59 AM
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She did look amazingly like her father the Emperor Paul;  so she was not exactly a beauty. She was a tragic one though, as were many Alexandras in the Romanov Family. Anyway, her marriage was one of the only ones of a Romanov to a Hapsburg correct? What was done about the issue of Alexandra's religion in this case? Was she allowed to remain orthodox?

She was allowed to remain Orthodox, there was a strict rule for all Romanov brides to remain Orthodox after marrying some foreign Prince. BTW, in Hungary, in the estate of Alexandra's spouse, was built an orthodox church just for young Grand Duchess.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: imperial angel on April 11, 2006, 10:20:16 AM
Thanks. I figured she must have, but then I wondered as the Hapsburgs were very Catholic, and they would have made a Protestant bride convert for sure.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Marc on September 13, 2006, 05:28:57 AM
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/AlexandraPa.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: imperial angel on January 17, 2007, 01:46:07 PM
In one picture where young Olga Alexandrovna holds some dolls and sits in a room of the palace, behind her is a portrait of Alexandra P, I believe. I think that is in Camera and the Tsars.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: synnadene on September 27, 2007, 08:40:19 AM

Alexandra Pavlovna

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Synnadene/OtherRoyals/alexandraaustria.jpg)

Anna Pavlovna

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Synnadene/OtherRoyals/annapavlovns.jpg)

Katharina Pavlovna

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Synnadene/OtherRoyals/catherinepavlovna.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on December 19, 2008, 02:00:42 AM
Portraits of GDss Alexandra Pavlovna.

(http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/r/o/rostislava/VK-Alexandra-Pavlovna-1.jpeg)

(http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/r/o/rostislava/VK-Alexandra-Pavlovna-2.jpeg)

(http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/r/o/rostislava/VK-Alexandra-Pavlovna-3.jpeg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Vecchiolarry on December 19, 2008, 09:39:38 AM
Hi,

Marvellous pictures!!!  Very rich.....

She is lovely;  she may not have been a beauty but was more a 'handsome' woman...

Larry
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on March 01, 2009, 06:31:02 AM
Portrait of GDss Alexandra Pavlovna. Vladimir Borovikovsky, 1798.

(http://www.rulex.ru/rpg/WebPict/fullpic/0097-034.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: imperial angel on March 02, 2009, 05:34:00 AM
That portrait shows her looking so much like Paul!
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on March 02, 2009, 07:25:12 AM
That portrait shows her looking so much like Paul!

Yes, the resemblance is wonderful. It's interesting that all of Pavel's daughters loked more like him not like their pretty mother Maria Fedorovna. And at the same time such sons as Alexander I and Nicholas I inherited the charm of their mother.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on August 05, 2009, 07:37:32 AM
Alexandra Pavlovna in 1791 by Levitskiy

(http://www.picatom.com/12/1791-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/12/1791-1.html)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: imperial angel on August 05, 2009, 01:08:54 PM
She looks somewhat like her grandmother Catharine in these portraits as well.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on August 06, 2009, 01:43:21 AM
She looks somewhat like her grandmother Catharine in these portraits as well.

I guess that was a special intention of the artist and so probably of Pavel and Maria Fedorovna - just to flatter to the strict grandmother Catherine.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Marc on August 15, 2009, 01:59:37 AM
Portrait of GDss Alexandra Pavlovna. Vladimir Borovikovsky, 1798.

http://www.rulex.ru/rpg/WebPict/fullpic/0097-034.jpg (http://www.rulex.ru/rpg/WebPict/fullpic/0097-034.jpg)


Any portrait like this in color?It looks so regal...
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on August 16, 2009, 02:11:48 AM
Portrait of GDss Alexandra Pavlovna in Hungarian national costume.

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb29/elize_sun/AlexandraPa.jpg)

(http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/0811/66/644d73cba5e4.jpg)

Portraits Josef of Habsburg:

1788

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Archduke_Joseph_Palatine_of_Hungary.jpg)

1796

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/habsburg/hbl-hungary/1776%20Joseph.jpg)

A. Ritt, 1799

(http://www.podstanitskiy.ru/files/images/commongallery/photogallery/Ritt-Palatin.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on August 19, 2009, 10:52:31 AM
Grand Duchess Alexandra Pavlovna Romanova of Russia, and Palatina of Hungary, daughter of Tsar Paul I
By V. Borovikovsky.

(http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/44513/2101891880101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2101891880101857556ruWOAn)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on September 07, 2009, 08:36:51 PM
Does anyone know anything about Alexandra's relationship with her husband?  I'm not certain, but I think she actually had feelings for Gustav IV of Sweden, who basically left her at the altar upon learning that she would not be converting to Lutheranism; surely a rejection like that would have adversely affected her outlook on life and love.  And her marriage to Archduke Joseph was a political match, but did they like each other?  I've read that some of his relatives resented her because of her Orthodox faith, and were not especially kind to her.  Joseph had a mausoleum built for her after her death, but I'm fairly sure his Catholic family denied her a proper burial.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on September 08, 2009, 01:13:16 AM
Does anyone know anything about Alexandra's relationship with her husband?  I'm not certain, but I think she actually had feelings for Gustav IV of Sweden, who basically left her at the altar upon learning that she would not be converting to Lutheranism; surely a rejection like that would have adversely affected her outlook on life and love.  And her marriage to Archduke Joseph was a political match, but did they like each other?  I've read that some of his relatives resented her because of her Orthodox faith, and were not especially kind to her.  Joseph had a mausoleum built for her after her death, but I'm fairly sure his Catholic family denied her a proper burial.

Alexandra had feelings for Gustav as she hadn't had other chances for courting by some another Prince - don't forget her possessive grandmother wanted the Russian-Swedish alliance since Alexandra's childhood. So the little Grand Duchess used to think about Gustav as her future husband and convinced herself in love with him. The reason of Gustav's leaving Alexandra was not so simple as her not-converting into Lutheranism, there were political reasons more influental than converting-non-converting.
Of course she was hurt by Gustav's behaviuor and didn't understand him  and this affected her much on further life. Archduke Joseph was a nice guy who loved his Russian wife but he definitely was so weak in character that he coudln't defend Alexandra from the jealousy at the Viennese court. The well-known fact is that the Empress hated Alexandra as the young Grand Duchess was pretty and had fabulouis jewellery collection as well as enourmous dowry.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Marc on September 08, 2009, 04:43:41 AM
You mean dowry?Would it be similar situation like Maria Pavlovna-younger and the Swedish court?
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on September 08, 2009, 07:06:28 AM
You mean dowry?Would it be similar situation like Maria Pavlovna-younger and the Swedish court?

Yes, sorry for the mistype. Of course dowry : )

Though I can't exactly  understand ypur point. Do you mean that Swedish court envied the jewellery of MP-younger?
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: CountessKate on September 08, 2009, 07:48:31 AM
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The well-known fact is that the Empress hated Alexandra as the young Grand Duchess was pretty and had fabulouis jewellery collection as well as enourmous dairy.

I'm never sure whether these stories were genuine or just court gossip.  The Grand Duchesses usually didn't fit well into foreign courts when they had to take any but the first rank - they were brought up to believe themselves the creme de la creme, they had huge dowries and splendid jewels, and were conditioned by the Russian court to expect everyone else to give way to them, sometimes quite inappropriately.  Their religion of course was usually different from that of the court they married into, which again singled them out.  They generally seemed to be unaware of the antagonism they aroused, since of course they were usually fairly young when they married and pretty naive about other courts, and often attributed the hostility of the royal families and courts they married into to the sort of jealousy Svetabel describes.  The lack of enthusiasm at the British court for Maria Alexandrovna, who married the Duke of Edinburgh, was sometimes sometimes laid at the door of the wonderful jewels which outshone those of her sisters-in-law, but actually it was the fact the Russian court pushed for her to be given a higher rank than she was entitled to as the wife of a younger son of the sovereign which did the damage (she certainly did not outshine her sisters-in-law in looks!).  I could see the same sort of irritation might occur at the Vienese court.  The Empress Maria Theresa, daughter of that very tough cookie Maria Carolina of Naples, doesn't really sound the sort of woman to be jealous of a sister-in-law without provocation, but she does sound like the sort of person who would keep a very junior brother-in-law's wife in her place.  Alexandra sounds a nice young woman but she was 16 when she married and probably not very clued up to a court like that of Vienna which was very different from Russia and where she was pretty far down the pecking order - and they thought themselves quite as important as anyone from a jumped-up dynasty which didn't even have the same religion.  She may well have quite innocently had expectations and feelings of entitlement relating to her rank which might have made her appear too big for her boots and caused a lot of hostility.  And at Vienna, she was pretty far away from her family and she had no married elder sisters or relatives nearby - for example in smaller German courts - to help her adjust and smooth her path with the Austrians.  Her sister Elena, at the court of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, seemed to have an easier time - it is noteworthy that she was married to the heir to the duchy so took the second rank after her mother-in-law and therefore didn't have to feel that she was being downgraded from her high position.

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Do you mean that Swedish court envied the jewellery of MP-younger?

I don't know if that was what Marc meant, but it suggests that these sorts of stories persisted across the generations!
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on September 08, 2009, 11:49:48 AM
Does anyone know anything about Alexandra's relationship with her husband?  I'm not certain, but I think she actually had feelings for Gustav IV of Sweden, who basically left her at the altar upon learning that she would not be converting to Lutheranism; surely a rejection like that would have adversely affected her outlook on life and love.  And her marriage to Archduke Joseph was a political match, but did they like each other?  I've read that some of his relatives resented her because of her Orthodox faith, and were not especially kind to her.  Joseph had a mausoleum built for her after her death, but I'm fairly sure his Catholic family denied her a proper burial.

Alexandra had feelings for Gustav as she hadn't had other chances for courting by some another Prince - don't forget her possessive grandmother wanted the Russian-Swedish alliance since Alexandra's childhood. So the little Grand Duchess used to think about Gustav as her future husband and convinced herself in love with him. The reason of Gustav's leaving Alexandra was not so simple as her not-converting into Lutheranism, there were political reasons more influental than converting-non-converting.
Of course she was hurt by Gustav's behaviuor and didn't understand him  and this affected her much on further life. Archduke Joseph was a nice guy who loved his Russian wife but he definitely was so weak in character that he coudln't defend Alexandra from the jealousy at the Viennese court. The well-known fact is that the Empress hated Alexandra as the young Grand Duchess was pretty and had fabulouis jewellery collection as well as enourmous dowry.
Thank you kindly, Svetabel.  I knew about Alexandra's fabulous dowry, and about the jealousy she encountered at the Austrian court, but beyond basic biographical information, I know next to nothing about Alexandra herself (character, personality, etc.), and I don't know anything about Archduke Joseph.  Poor Alexandra, though.  Her story is so tragic.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: violetta on September 08, 2009, 12:06:23 PM
In a book by Albina Danilova called THE FIVE PRINCESSES  (it`s about Paul I`s daughters) I read abot an interesting incident. As there was a lot of envy about Alexandra`s jewellery her mother-in-law forbade her to wear it during one of the theatre performances. I think she was angry about her daughter-in-law`s fabulous tiara. Alexandra found a solution  she appeared with fresh flowers in her hair, and ahe was stunning, and the audience was stunned by her freshness, purity, youth....No need to add that her mother-in-law was enraged...
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on September 08, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
..No need to add that her mother-in-law was enraged...

That was sister-in-law actually, spouse of Emperor Franz.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: violetta on September 08, 2009, 03:35:42 PM
thanks for correcting me, svetabel. i`m not an expert on the habsburgs. correct me if i`m wrong but the other reason for her sister-in-law`s dislike was the fact that the emperor`s first wife was Alexandra`s aunt, one of the Wurtemberg princesses. they say that the emperor found that alexandra took after her late aunt. the emperor like alexandra even more due to this fact.
as for alexandra`s burial , the situation got complicated not only due to the fact that she remained orthodox but her death coincided with the murder of her father paul . her russian reltives, due to the mess after the murder , did not really interfere with the issue of alexandra`s burial...
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Marc on September 08, 2009, 04:59:30 PM
You mean dowry?Would it be similar situation like Maria Pavlovna-younger and the Swedish court?

Yes, sorry for the mistype. Of course dowry : )

Though I can't exactly  understand ypur point. Do you mean that Swedish court envied the jewellery of MP-younger?


Yes,I thought of that...think that she had the same kind of problem at Swedish court...
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on September 09, 2009, 05:30:38 AM
You mean dowry?Would it be similar situation like Maria Pavlovna-younger and the Swedish court?

Yes, sorry for the mistype. Of course dowry : )

Though I can't exactly  understand ypur point. Do you mean that Swedish court envied the jewellery of MP-younger?


Yes,I thought of that...think that she had the same kind of problem at Swedish court...

I think that she had problems at the Swedish court also becouse of her conflicting emotions and difficult character.It's another story though.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on September 09, 2009, 05:47:22 AM
thanks for correcting me, svetabel. i`m not an expert on the habsburgs. correct me if i`m wrong but the other reason for her sister-in-law`s dislike was the fact that the emperor`s first wife was Alexandra`s aunt, one of the Wurtemberg princesses. they say that the emperor found that alexandra took after her late aunt. the emperor like alexandra even more due to this fact.
as for alexandra`s burial , the situation got complicated not only due to the fact that she remained orthodox but her death coincided with the murder of her father paul . her russian reltives, due to the mess after the murder , did not really interfere with the issue of alexandra`s burial...

Yes, the story about Emperor's affection to Alexandra becouse of her resembling his 1st spouse is correct.
The burial of the young Grand Duchess was really in a mess as her widower was so weak and devastated that was able only to weep and send desperate letters to Russia letters about his grief and pain. After all the Russian priest who had been at Alexandra took matters into his hands and organized the proper (not really proper in the Imperial point of view) burial.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on November 26, 2009, 08:42:11 AM
"... when the grand duchess had the Cesarsky their Majesties, the Emperor, seeing beyond the expectations in the face of his niece's life-like images of his first wife, Empress Elizabeth (Elizabeth was the aunt of Alexandra Pavlovna  - sister of her mother, Maria Feodorovna) shuddered.
Remembering happy with her cohabitation resulted in the greatest embarrassment of his spirit, which is uniformly highly distressed heart of the Empress, the current second wife! After this was kindled against the innocent victim irreconcilable vengeance "- from the memoirs of Alexandra Pavlovna's confessor, Father Andrew Samborskii.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: violetta on November 26, 2009, 03:33:58 PM
"... when the grand duchess had the Cesarsky their Majesties, the Emperor, seeing beyond the expectations in the face of his niece's life-like images of his first wife, Empress Elizabeth (Elizabeth was the aunt of Alexandra Pavlovna  - sister of her mother, Maria Feodorovna) shuddered.
Remembering happy with her cohabitation resulted in the greatest embarrassment of his spirit, which is uniformly highly distressed heart of the Empress, the current second wife! After this was kindled against the innocent victim irreconcilable vengeance "- from the memoirs of Alexandra Pavlovna's confessor, Father Andrew Samborskii.



could you please give me the detailes of this book? the title, the place of publication etc?
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on November 27, 2009, 09:31:43 AM
could you please give me the detailes of this book? the title, the place of publication etc?

This is not a book, and a note: "Andrew Samborsky.
About stay of Grand Duchess Alexandra Pavlovna in Hungary.
(1799-1801 g.)"
In the electronic version of the document occupies 13 pages.
I can send in the form of an archive, e-mail if you own the Russian language
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: violetta on November 27, 2009, 11:19:31 AM
yes.i speak russian,you can e-mail me or post the link.thanks a lot in advance
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on December 14, 2009, 11:36:26 PM
I'm reasonably sure this is Alexandra Pavlovna; if not, it's one of her sisters:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2592/4186029565_9c5de6e068.jpg)

This portrait I saw in the catalog of exhibits
exhibition "Paul I. World Family" where he is designated as a portrait of Alexandra Pavlovna, the artist's brush Zharkov.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on December 23, 2009, 09:03:21 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2793/4210314952_179db5fcf6_o.jpg)

A plate from Alexandra Pavlovna's almost-wedding to Gustav of Sweden.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on January 11, 2010, 09:47:33 PM
Good day.
Recently learned that there is a portrait of Alexandra Pavlovna, written by Sigmund Pollack.
I would be very grateful for any information on the portrait.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: violetta on January 12, 2010, 03:53:09 AM
could you please give me the detailes of this book? the title, the place of publication etc?

This is not a book, and a note: "Andrew Samborsky.
About stay of Grand Duchess Alexandra Pavlovna in Hungary.
(1799-1801 g.)"
In the electronic version of the document occupies 13 pages.
I can send in the form of an archive, e-mail if you own the Russian language


I speak ussian.Could you please send me a link or something to these memoies. I`m planning a visit to Budapest so I`d be gRateful fo the info on ALexanda Pavlovna
 
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on January 12, 2010, 11:15:55 AM
http://onkim.orthodoxy.ru/samborsky.htm
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: violetta on January 12, 2010, 11:53:51 AM
thanks for the link
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on January 12, 2010, 05:55:33 PM
Good day.
Recently learned that there is a portrait of Alexandra Pavlovna, written by Sigmund Pollack.
I would be very grateful for any information on the portrait.

You don't have a copy of the portrait?
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on January 13, 2010, 09:53:46 AM
Unfortunately, no. But try to find.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on February 12, 2010, 11:11:43 AM
Portrait of Alexandra Pavlovna brush Pollack I have not yet received, so instead put the other two.

Portrait of Grand Duchess Alexandra Pavlovna as a child against the background of the Cameron Gallery in Tsarskoe Selo. D. Levitsky.

(http://www.rosfineart.ru/content/print/images/full/324.jpg?rand=949115391)

Portrait of Grand Duchess Alexandra Pavlovna.

(http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/r/o/rostislava/VK-Alexandra-Pavlovna-10.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on February 12, 2010, 12:13:12 PM
Very nice!  I can't wait to see the one by Pollack, though.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on February 14, 2010, 02:23:22 AM
I have some time to upload a portrait of Pollack, scanned from a newspaper article. Immediately lay out.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on April 14, 2010, 05:10:24 PM
I think this is Alexandra Pavlovna :-\

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2702/4521923874_0ec5268b31_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on May 06, 2010, 02:33:56 PM
Alexandra with her mother and sisters. 

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4584325093_1b9a47c95d_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on May 15, 2010, 10:47:16 PM
Princess A.A. Golitsyn of Grand Duchess Alexandra Pavlovna, during a visit to St. Petersburg of the Swedish King Gustavus Adolphus:
"The future queen lovely. She is 14 years old, she taller than I (went to the mother), she is smart and extremely polite; to her cost as an adult, she is constantly playing in boston with the older ladies. Empress loves her, and showed that she was her favorite. "
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on May 15, 2010, 10:48:52 PM
Letter to the Empress Elizabeth Alexeevna mother, margravine Amalie Baden, death of Alexandra Pavlovna:
"Since the death of Emperor it (the Empress Maria Feodorovna) was constantly on his lips:" Alexandrina also die. The two sorrows mingled, one distracts from the other. At least, all is not quite overcome by her being. Poor Alexandrina, so tied to the life, why she had to die? I thought her so happy that she be born child ".
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on May 15, 2010, 11:05:59 PM
Thanks for sharing, Alexandrina-Sofia; I never knew that Alexandra was her mother's favorite.  Here is another picture of her:

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1270/4610855742_2bf348d419_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on May 17, 2010, 05:53:09 AM
This letter was written during the visit of the Swedish king. The Empress, referred to in the letter - grandmother of Alexandra - Catherine II.
This portrait of Alexandra brush Pollack.

(http://pics.livejournal.com/sivero/pic/000029xy/s640x480)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on May 17, 2010, 05:10:01 PM
I've been waiting to see that--it's beautiful!
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on May 18, 2010, 06:50:36 AM
No wonder the Hungarians called Alexandra queen, and now it's revered as a local saint.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on May 24, 2010, 11:53:43 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4046/4638153122_ed7fdca3f9_o.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna Memorial, circa 1911.  I think it was in Pavlovsk and was destroyed during World War II.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on June 27, 2010, 07:34:07 PM
Does anyone know if this is Alexandra or Elena Pavlovna?  I have seen it labeled as both.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/4740698002_72b659db94.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on June 28, 2010, 08:28:30 AM
Dru, this is a portrait of Alexandra Pavlovna, brush Augustine Ritt.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on June 28, 2010, 01:02:15 PM
Thank you very much for your help, Alexandrina-Sofia! :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Marie Valerie on August 08, 2010, 02:22:00 PM
I've read a biography about Archduke Joseph's third wife Maria Dorothea von Württemberg, and it contained some infos on Alexandra Pavlovna.

- Alexandra was called "Ketzerin" (in english: Heretic) by the catholic court in Vienna, because of her Orthodox faith.

- Joseph's brother, Kaiser Franz I./II. said to him after his third wedding:

"I pray that your new wife will have a long life, I fear your next will be jewish..."


Joseph had married just non-catholics: the Orthodox Alexandra Pawlowna Romanova (1783–1801),
Hermine von Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym (1797–1817) and Maria Dorothea von Württemberg  (1797–1855) were both Protestants.
After Maria Dorothea all non-catholics were banned from marring into the Habsburg family.
That is why a marriage between Olga Nikolaevna (1822–1892) and Archduke Stephan wouldn't take place.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on August 08, 2010, 02:45:06 PM
Alexandra and her favourite sister Helena

(http://www.batguano.com/vlbpaulkids.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on October 14, 2010, 05:07:29 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/5082402032_8e18efa6ff_z.jpg)

Artwork of Alexandra Pavlovna, signed "Alexandrine."
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on January 13, 2011, 04:05:10 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5241/5352475015_ae522cfb75_b.jpg)

Engraving of Alexandra Pavlovna lying in state.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on May 24, 2011, 01:48:22 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/5755347635_a087c78dfc.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on July 07, 2011, 06:06:55 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5120/5913861376_2f835b314c.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5238/5913865338_e80f6c5b58.jpg)

Painting of the Alexandra Pavlovna Memorial in Pavlovsk.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Olga Bernice on July 07, 2011, 11:27:56 PM
How beautiful!

I suppose this is a silly question, but is the memorial still there? Is it still standing? If it is, it would be one of my top 10 attractions should I ever go to Russia ;)!
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on July 08, 2011, 11:38:44 AM
Unfortunately, I don't believe it is.  I would have to guess it was destroyed...
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 08, 2011, 01:03:07 PM
There is a memorial in the Pavlosk park, but it does not look like this.  It had been heavily vandalised and is now gated off. [that was during my visit in 2008] I am not even sure it  was for AP.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Olga Bernice on July 08, 2011, 01:16:11 PM
Oh, Dru and Robert, how terrible!  :'(

It's terrible that people abuse such monuments, regardless of who it is, and cause honest, good-hearted people like most of us on this Forum to suffer by having the monument gated off.

 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on July 10, 2011, 09:39:19 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6027/5924831884_2ff41b45f6_z.jpg)

Another image of the memorial.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on July 10, 2011, 09:47:10 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6147/5924860734_49e1dfc7b9_z.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna's husband Joseph (second from the left) with her father and elder brothers.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Olga Bernice on July 11, 2011, 10:27:56 AM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6147/5924860734_49e1dfc7b9_z.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna's husband Joseph (second from the left) with her father and elder brothers.

I'm guessing that was after the wedding?

Also, I know Paul I is second from right, and Joseph is second from left. Do you, by any chance, know which of the others was Alexander and which was Constantine?
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on July 11, 2011, 12:53:55 PM
I think Alexander is the one on the far left.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on July 13, 2011, 05:04:43 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6013/5935171372_45e3e22747_b.jpg)

Postcard of Alexandra Pavlovna.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on November 03, 2011, 01:08:35 AM
Grand Duchess Alexandra Pavlovna. 1797 by Edward Miles.

(http://inlinethumb17.webshots.com/46416/2205328470061759156S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: gem_10 on November 04, 2011, 10:23:56 PM
Beautiful!
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on December 19, 2011, 01:53:32 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7024/6539417597_6d33a9b86d_b.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on March 11, 2012, 04:19:55 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7066/6827699310_ff7ce7d925_b.jpg)

Allegorical image honoring Alexandra Pavlovna.  She is the central figure, and the couple on the left is Alexander I and Elizaveta Alexeievna (some people seem to think it's actually Maria Feodorovna).  On the right are Alexandra's confessor, Father Andrei Samborsky, and his granddaughter Elizaveta.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on March 28, 2012, 04:07:01 PM
I read that Alexandra Pavlovna may have proposed the design for the red, white, and green Hungarian flag.  I wonder if there's any truth to this, or if it's just a myth?  :-\
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on December 18, 2012, 08:00:21 PM
Can anyone tell me where Alexandra Pavlovna died (i.e., which palace)?  I'd be much obliged...
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: CountessKate on December 24, 2012, 09:08:01 AM
Can anyone tell me where Alexandra Pavlovna died (i.e., which palace)?  I'd be much obliged...

According to Burke's Royal Families of the World vol. 1, she died at Buda, so I assume she died in Buda Castle in Budapest, the official residence of Archduke Josef as Palatine of Hungary (this would have been the baroque palace damaged by fire in 1810 and by the fighting during the Hungarian revolution of 1848].
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on December 24, 2012, 02:22:53 PM
Thank you for your answer, CountessKate.  Some places say that she died in Vienna, and others say that she died in Buda, so I've never been completely sure.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on April 11, 2013, 08:49:31 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8480/8198197864_5f1b0769d2_b.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna by Lampi.  Would love to see this in color...
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on December 01, 2013, 09:18:21 PM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3818/11164917693_8e61c208ab_o.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna in the Hungarian costume, of which she grew very fond.  Download for full size. 
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on December 30, 2013, 03:33:08 PM
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2841/11654629234_e1dd43f92c_o.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna as archduchess of Austria, ca. 1800.  Rather unflattering portrait, I think...
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Marc on December 30, 2013, 06:27:51 PM
The portrait hangs in Gödöllő Palace Habsburg Gallery,near Budapest...I have seen it just few weeks ago ;)

Thank you Dru for finding and posting :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on December 31, 2013, 02:29:17 AM


Alexandra Pavlovna as archduchess of Austria, ca. 1800.  Rather unflattering portrait, I think...

Very man-like I'd say. And with a certain resemblance to her father, Emperor Pavel. His daughters were not beauty stars actually, but sons - except Konstantin - were very handsome.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on December 31, 2013, 02:08:19 PM


Alexandra Pavlovna as archduchess of Austria, ca. 1800.  Rather unflattering portrait, I think...

Very man-like I'd say. And with a certain resemblance to her father, Emperor Pavel. His daughters were not beauty stars actually, but sons - except Konstantin - were very handsome.

But weren't Elena and Ekaterina were supposed to have been more attractive than their sisters?  

Also, I was unable to find the name of the artist--do either of you know who it was?
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Svetabel on January 01, 2014, 12:20:44 PM


Alexandra Pavlovna as archduchess of Austria, ca. 1800.  Rather unflattering portrait, I think...

Very man-like I'd say. And with a certain resemblance to her father, Emperor Pavel. His daughters were not beauty stars actually, but sons - except Konstantin - were very handsome.

But weren't Elena and Ekaterina were supposed to have been more attractive than their sisters?  

Also, I was unable to find the name of the artist--do either of you know who it was?

I think all Pavel's daughters were not really pretty or beautiful, though Ekaterina was praised for her prettiness but it's more due to her character - lively, emotional and fussy.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Ally Kumari on June 26, 2014, 02:25:18 AM
(http://cs618929.vk.me/v618929027/c8e0/S3PEJFG1tRQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on August 16, 2014, 04:00:17 PM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5581/14752739707_bf9e3f84c9_o.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna by Pollack--in color! :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: gem_10 on August 17, 2014, 09:05:26 AM
This portrait of Alexandra is an amazing find, Dru! I've been wanting to see it in ages! Where did you find it? Thank you very much for sharing it. :-D
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on August 17, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
This portrait of Alexandra is an amazing find, Dru! I've been wanting to see it in ages! Where did you find it? Thank you very much for sharing it. :-D

I found it in Google's Cultural Institute, but it's originally from the Slovak National Museum :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on November 13, 2014, 08:13:42 PM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5603/15598695888_dabbebab45_o.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna lying in state--in color this time!  Her confessor, Father Andrei Samborsky stands at her feet.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7487/15599377550_4ce15ab4d0_o.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna and her husband, Archduke Joseph.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on March 28, 2015, 01:45:23 PM
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8750/16956294122_56eb4ef5a4_o.jpg)

Miniature of Grand Duchess Alexandra Pavlovna.  From vk.com group ДОМ РОМАНОВЫХ.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on April 17, 2016, 04:09:58 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/140943887355 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/140943887355)

Miniature of Alexandra Pavlovna.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on August 28, 2016, 04:30:54 AM
Letter to the Archduke Joseph to his brother, the Emperor Franz, after the engagement with the Grand Duchess Alexandra: "I can not adequately thank Your Majesty's grace, has prompted her to choose for me life's companion, and I am sure that this marriage is for life will provide me a happy family life".
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on August 29, 2016, 12:12:26 PM
Letter to the Archduke Joseph to his brother, the Emperor Franz, after the engagement with the Grand Duchess Alexandra: "I can not adequately thank Your Majesty's grace, has prompted her to choose for me life's companion, and I am sure that this marriage is for life will provide me a happy family life".


How sad.  It seems like Joseph and Alexandra were genuinely attached to each other even though theirs was an arranged marriage.  I don't remember where I read it, but after Alexandra's death, Joseph wrote a letter that said something to the effect of "I had an irreparable misfortune on losing my wife... my happiness is all vanished." 
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on August 30, 2016, 09:48:12 AM
This letter Joseph wrote to father Alexandra, Emperor Paul: "I had the irreparable misfortune of losing my wife... She's gone, and with it disappeared all my happiness. Your Majesty, I was obliged to my family joys and memories of them indelible in me. Take a look to pity on your unhappy son, and do not refuse him mercy - allow him to continue to call you father. "
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on September 06, 2016, 07:45:00 PM
That's the letter I was thinking of--thank you, Alexandrina-Sofia!

https://pp.vk.me/c625422/v625422884/1ca9b/GarKU6LM9GA.jpg (https://pp.vk.me/c625422/v625422884/1ca9b/GarKU6LM9GA.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna with her sister, Elena.


https://pp.vk.me/c628126/v628126884/2f258/U12e0o4FO4M.jpg (https://pp.vk.me/c628126/v628126884/2f258/U12e0o4FO4M.jpg)

Alexandra Pavlovna with her mother and sister, Elena.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on September 18, 2016, 09:56:34 AM
Alexandra Pavlovna was popular among Hungarians, loved for its immediacy and charity, and the Hungarian nobility looked at it as a defender of the country from the snares of Vienna. With the arrival of a young couple in Hungary in February 1800, they waited in Buda Pest large delegation, which expressed spouses honor on behalf of the country's population. Alexandra Pavlovna always been a generous and distributed large alms during a visit to the Hungarian villages. The young couple and enlivened the cultural life of Hungary. In the newspaper "Magyar Kurir" on March 4, 1800 reported that "yesterday here (from Vienna) went to a famous musician, the Doctor andDirector Haydn, who, by order of Her Highness the duke Palatine will lead the singing and instrumentalthe performance of his own music, known as "Creation of the World." Incidentally, the first after the Vienna performance of this oratorio took place in Buda March 8, 1800. May 13 ofthe same year in Buda "played music" and Beethoven. Alexandra Pavlovna owned a considerable role in the fact that the court began againexecuted Hungarian songs and dances, for example, during one of the balls in the Count Tivadar Batthyány garden, on the initiative of Alexandra, were fed Hungarian singers and Hungarian dishes.

Elizabeth Bodnar "Hungarian-Russian ties in the XIX century: Palatine Joseph and Alexandra Pavlovna".
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on September 28, 2016, 12:18:06 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/151060180840 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/151060180840)

Alexandra Pavlovna.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on October 02, 2016, 12:38:53 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/151246734390 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/151246734390)

Alexandra Pavlovna.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on October 23, 2016, 12:31:10 PM
Letter from the Palatine Joseph Emperor Paul.

 Vienna. March 20, 1801.

Most Gracious Sovereign! It hurts me to renew the parent heart of your Majesty's recollection of the sad loss of my wife; but neither my hand nor heart dare not be so, if I had not demanded my duty to appeal to your Majesty for orders on the two subjects on which I was to do anything without your solutions. The first of them concerns the place of burial of the deceased. I had prepared a place in the crypt of the Capuchin Church in Buda, where already rested my poor baby. Meanwhile, this court, apparently intends to transfer the body to the imperial family crypt in Vienna; finally, the confessor of the deceased does not agree to carry out the burial in the catholic church. Therefore I humbly beg Your Majesty to declare me your orders on this account. The body of the deceased in peace as long as a small country house near Buda, presented me to his wife when she was alive. The second item concerns orders inherited it. She left behind a piece of wills, painted her hand and wills draft drawn up by its instructions to my chief chamberlain. I urge Your Majesty graciously inform me whether to bring you these papers, or how to dispose of the inheritance? Not recognizing now more sacred duty, as a consideration is the will of your Majesty, I beg you to believe that in spite of the terrible loss of my own, I never cease to be grateful to you, and in the short happiness, how do you I have presented and referred to your Imperial Majesty's obedient servant and son, Joseph, Palatine.
Title: Re: Alexandra Pavlovna
Post by: Dru on October 23, 2016, 01:21:34 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/post/152210290285/grand-duchess-alexandra-pavlovna-with-her-husband#notes (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/post/152210290285/grand-duchess-alexandra-pavlovna-with-her-husband#notes)

Alexandra Pavlovna with her husband.