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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Windsors => Topic started by: Richard_Maybery on August 26, 2005, 04:29:26 PM

Title: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 26, 2005, 04:29:26 PM
This forum seems to overlook or mock the Prince of Wales, the next most important member of the British monarchy after The Queen. I thought I would remedy that deficiency by posting pictures of him. I hope others in the forum will do the same.

A handsome young man in 1976:
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 26, 2005, 07:26:35 PM
A nice pic with William:

(http://www.raptureready.com/photo/antichrists/ac-prince-charles-william.jpg)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 28, 2005, 11:36:30 AM
I don't think Charles finds favour on this forum, Prince Lieven!

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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 28, 2005, 11:52:33 AM

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a214/Richard1961/hrhprincecharles3.jpg)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 28, 2005, 11:53:21 AM
Oh dear, I think I spotted Peter Andre in the background  :(

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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 28, 2005, 11:56:08 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on August 28, 2005, 12:19:23 PM
On the contrary, Richard.   Prince Charles finds favour on this Forum.   Though perhaps not with ALL the posters.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 28, 2005, 12:51:55 PM
Great pics Richard. Pity about Peter Andre.  ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: bookworm857158367 on August 28, 2005, 09:44:29 PM
It's interesting to me how much he looks like his maternal grandfather and uncles, especially as he gets older. He's like them except with the dark hair. But then I suppose his mother Queen Elizabeth really did take after the Windsors as well. I used to think she looked more like the Queen Mother until I saw photos of her as a child compared with Princess Mary.

As for Charles personally ... he's got a position I wouldn't take for all the tea in China. Who wants to live in a fish bowl?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on August 31, 2005, 01:07:29 PM
You are right Richard_Maybery!


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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on August 31, 2005, 01:09:16 PM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on August 31, 2005, 01:10:37 PM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on August 31, 2005, 01:12:05 PM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on August 31, 2005, 01:31:28 PM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on August 31, 2005, 01:32:30 PM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on August 31, 2005, 01:38:09 PM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 31, 2005, 01:39:42 PM
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OMG! This must be doctored!  :o
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on August 31, 2005, 02:10:53 PM
This is from the "Yellow Submarine" age... give him a break!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on August 31, 2005, 05:23:36 PM
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On the contrary, Richard.   Prince Charles finds favour on this Forum.   Though perhaps not with ALL the posters.

tsaria


Well, each to their own.

Not one of my favourites, that I will admit, but it is interesting to see all these images of him.  

Thanks to all the members who have taken the trouble to get them together for us.  :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lass on September 01, 2005, 08:59:00 AM
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Now that's a nice one. :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Richard_Maybery on September 02, 2005, 04:31:33 PM
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The clothes ooze quality - wish I didn't have to rely on M&S off-the-pegs! Lovely dogs, although I think they're both dead now. I understand one of them bolted down a hole and was never found again.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 03, 2005, 04:40:43 AM
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Prince Charles, shows the way to Chinese President Jiang Zemin,left, as British Prime Minister Tony Blair follows at the end of the ceremony marking the handover of Hong Kong to China Monday June 30, 1997. (AP Photo/Pool,Dylan Martinez)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 03, 2005, 05:10:59 AM
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Governor Chris Patten, left, along with British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, lean on the railing of the royal yacht Britannia while watching the Beating of the Retreat with Britain's Prince Charles, center, Robin Cook's wife, Margaret and Tung Chee-Hwa in Hong Kong, Saturday, June 28, 1997. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: oleg on September 03, 2005, 09:50:26 AM
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Wow, he looks much less ugly with that beard!!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Chantilly on September 05, 2005, 07:03:04 PM
POW's Wedding Album

First time round

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/chantilly0107/200px-Charles_Diana_wedding.jpg)

Second time round

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/chantilly0107/180px-Charles_and_Camilla.jpg)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 05:10:54 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 05:13:08 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 05:13:56 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 05:15:44 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 05:18:20 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 05:38:40 AM
viva la revolution! ;D
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 05:46:09 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 05:50:53 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 06:01:26 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 06:03:13 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 06:16:12 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 06:22:05 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 06:24:50 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 06:29:43 AM
I find Grand Duke funny most of the times... I like this one on the stallion [it should have been in the Funny Pics thread] but not those about Daiana/Camilla :P
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grand Duke on September 09, 2005, 07:07:06 PM
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Edward VII in profile?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 10, 2005, 03:14:05 PM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on September 10, 2005, 03:20:20 PM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: nikks on September 11, 2005, 06:36:08 AM
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OMG, the POW kissing a drag-queen!?!

Wait, that is not a drag-queen!




WHERE IS THE MODERATOR???

HOW CAN HE LET THESE THINGS TO BE WRITTEN!!

It's a SHAME.

To all, remember HRH Camilla is the Duchess of Cornwall and Princess of Wales, be respectful.

This forum seems to be the Sun and other like this.

p.s.

GD I like your esprit, but you exagerate, sometimes.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on September 11, 2005, 07:18:24 AM
The moderator is here.   I agree with what is said about the tone of some of the postings on this thread.  

I am going to remove some of the more offensive posts.   You know the rules, kindly play by them.

Thank you

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on October 29, 2005, 07:38:00 AM
The Prince of Wales has strong and vocal opinions on organic farming, health, architecture, environment, etc.

I think he is increasingly proven right on most of them. What do you think?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: scothistle on October 29, 2005, 08:37:32 AM
I feel he HAS much to offer in these areas.I've always admired these interests,as they are mine as well.Advanced Farming,Gardening, and organic methods are so  essential.I really admire his charitable contributions overall,which are many.-D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on October 29, 2005, 09:43:21 AM
His opinions are always interesting, although one might wish that they were sometimes better expressed.

For instance, after William's press conference in realtion to his new role with the Football Association, both he and his father then went on to an engagement which involved the Prince's Trust, one the the POW's most successful and meritorious charitable organisations.

The Prince was reported as stating that he believed that the Organisation was extremely underrated, and perhaps would only achieve the recognition that it deserves when he was dead......

The sentiment is understandable, but reveals some of the bitterness that he obviously feels in connection with his projects and public profile.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: scothistle on October 29, 2005, 11:04:50 AM
I feel that is so very sad,that he feels his death may bring merit to his efforts.Perhaps if he sheds the hair shirt of the martyr, that makes him itch with discomfort .Puts on a regular shirt and lowers himself to consistently be seen  working side by side with the classes of people he sees as beneath him,his future would be brighter.Just my opinion....
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 29, 2005, 12:24:27 PM
Good for him!! He deserves a pat on the back as most of what he said is important, relevant and needs to be said!!!  :) :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on October 30, 2005, 07:45:57 PM
what are his opinions anyway? [I'm not from the UK]

I mean I know about what he thinks on architecture [what I do] and about organic farming, alternative health treatments [like homeopathy] and landscape preservation... but what else?

I suspect it has to do with something like promoting “quality” over “quantity”… am I right?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: scothistle on October 30, 2005, 08:48:40 PM
Great question,Perhaps I need to be updated as well.-D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on October 31, 2005, 05:41:25 AM
The 60 Minutes interview was horrible!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on October 31, 2005, 05:54:40 AM
I’m interested in what he is doing/saying since 1998 [when he visited my country and I saw him "live"]… I think he is a sort of “christian existentialist”, like Kierkegaard or Dostoievsky [this is where his dislike of the current use of “efficiency” comes from]… and that he wants to make sustainable development the “job” of royalty… if this is so I’m with him all the way
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on October 31, 2005, 06:20:27 AM
Sorry Tampa, I liked it... maybe I'm just excited that he seems to have my own intelectual views... I'm less interested in the family issues


but you are right in the fact that it didn't "flow"
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on October 31, 2005, 07:39:40 AM
What do you mean by 'family issues'?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on October 31, 2005, 08:18:43 AM
1. family relations
2. comparison with other family members
[he may not be as lovable as Diana or William, but this doesn't make me see him in a bad light]

I'm more interested in what he thinks... and from what I hear I tend to agree with him
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on October 31, 2005, 08:57:20 AM
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The 60 Minutes interview was horrible!

TampaBay


The interview was so bad I had to say it twice.  

If Prince Charles wants to bring attention to his causes and view, he needs to master the teniques of how to do a proper interview.

TampaBay




Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on October 31, 2005, 09:43:09 AM
because he gives so little interviews his choice of words and attitude tend to have a much greater impact than they should, the meaning behind is too much dependent on “looks”

what a pity he is honest and not shrewd like politicians are
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on October 31, 2005, 01:25:40 PM
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because he gives so little interviews his choice of words and attitude tend to have a much greater impact than they should, the meaning behind is too much dependent on “looks”
 
what a pity he is honest and not shrewd like politicians are



Oh come on, he has a whole PR machine behind him.

Either he doesn't listen to their advice, ot the advice that they do give is poor.

A mixture of the two I suspect.....
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: scothistle on October 31, 2005, 01:39:26 PM
Charles is Scorpion.Being one myself,I do understand alot about his personality.Shrewd,and single-minded,and tenacious.More often than not ,ignoring sound advice and tradition to go his own way,whatever the consequences may be.He may be looking for sympathy,but believe me if he doesn't get it,it really does not matter to him.Self-contained and sufficient he will survive,clinging to his ideology and his dreams of Utopia.Don't worry about this guy,he has more than nine lives. ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on October 31, 2005, 01:59:02 PM
ahaaaaaaaaaa
my mother is a Scorpion
it makes perfect sense for me now

"no mercy" [not even to ones own self]
this should be the Scorpion motto


and you people sure have nine lives! ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 14, 2005, 02:47:52 AM
Today is the 57th birthday of Charles,Prince of Wales.

Some interesting changes have been announced as to his tasks leading up to his future role:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/13/nqueen13.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/11/13/xhome.html
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on November 14, 2005, 07:08:41 AM
Well all of that seems to make perfect sense.

How many other eighty year old women work full time and undertake arduous foreign tours?

High time that this extra responsibility came his way and may improve his profile.......
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: KatieAnn on November 14, 2005, 08:05:38 AM
Nice to see these photos of Charles.  Thanks to everyone who posted them - they're much appreciated.  He's not my favourite Royal, but I am thawing to him and his new wife, and I wish them happiness in their life together.  

Favourite picture of Charles is the one of him coming down the steps carrying baby William - aahhh!

I met him years ago (1986) and can testify that he has the most amazing blue eyes - a fact that's not picked up in photos - they really are his most attractive feature.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on November 14, 2005, 08:10:52 AM
That's interesting Katieann.

My overrriding impression of him is that he seems older than his years - terribly weatherbeaten and with that terrible comb-over......

He isn't my favourite royal and probably never will be; like you though, I am starting to have some small measure of respect for his wife.......
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: KatieAnn on November 14, 2005, 08:36:20 AM
Hello Martyn!

He seems to smile more now that Camilla's at his side (and not constantly upstaging him), and that to me makes him look better.

But, like me, he suffers from what Granny used to call "high colour".  It doesn't matter what the weather is like outside - hail, rain, fog, sun etc - we both have very red faces (and it's not flattering on either of us).  Absolutely nothing can be done about it - despite my constant Christmas wish for a pale complexion!

The hair - well, mine is waist-length, caramel in colour (not original!) and in excellent condition - and Charles, well, the comb-over is a disaster for ANY man, and folically challenged or not, it must be clean and neat.  Maybe Camilla could point him in the direction of a hairdresser (no point in asking Anne!) - a decent trim would take a few years off him.

I think he looks better because he seems more relaxed.  Just like Diana in her last few months - the pressure was off and she just glowed.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on November 14, 2005, 10:02:39 AM
I think that you are right Katieann.

I have written elsewhere that he obviously loves the bones of his new wife, and that he looks happier and more relaxed with her at his side than he has done for years......

As far as style and looks go, the prince is very set in his look.  That comb-over is the last gasp of a man who sees his hair as the symbol of his youth and virility, and who is determined to retain it......

He could really do with a bit of tidying up.  Perhaps a new wife will be able to effect this, although if rumour is to be believed, it is at his insistence that she retains the hairstyle that she has had for over thirty years......Perhaps, like Anne, he is completely comfortable with his look.......
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: KatieAnn on November 14, 2005, 10:31:49 AM

As far as style and looks go, the prince is very set in his look.  That comb-over is the last gasp of a man who sees his hair as the symbol of his youth and virility, and who is determined to retain it......


Martyn - All I need say is PATRICK STEWART - and sigh, longingly....!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on November 14, 2005, 11:18:07 AM
I understand where you are coming from...... ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 17, 2005, 05:24:13 PM
The Prince announced he retires from polo,another sign of youth and virility out of the window.....  ;D
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/media/02_press_releases/2005/051117_polo.html

The Prince of Wales Gallery,sofar this year:
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/gallery-year/2005/index.html
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Margarita Markovna on November 17, 2005, 10:40:32 PM
Are there more pictures of him with Diana and their sons?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on November 18, 2005, 07:31:58 AM
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The Prince announced he retires from polo,another sign of youth and virility out of the window.....  ;D
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/media/02_press_releases/2005/051117_polo.html

The Prince of Wales Gallery,sofar this year:
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/gallery-year/2005/index.html


After forty years of playing.....

It must be sad to have to give up something that he has enjoyed so much over the years......
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Arleen on November 18, 2005, 02:09:14 PM
It is very simple.  I think Camilla asked him to......now that she has got him she wants to keep him in one piece.  

I don't think he is all that well anyway.  If you look at the pictures of the America trip when they show his hands, notice how puffy and bright red they are.  IF his feet are in the same condition then he is very ill indeed.  He would then be retaining fluids.  But since there is no way we are going to ever get a look at his bare feet I guess we will never know....

At any rate I wish them well, let them enjoy what time they have left. They are obviously having fun together.....she makes up for polo any day.

..Arleen
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Caleb on November 18, 2005, 02:47:41 PM
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He has a resemblence to King George V as Duke of York in that photo. I agree he does look like George VI.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on November 18, 2005, 07:30:10 PM
Very much so!  It is almost scary!

He is actually "handsome" with a beard.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on November 19, 2005, 03:33:24 AM
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Very much so!  It is almost scary!

He is actually "handsome" with a bread.

TampaBay



I assume that you mean a beard..... ;)

That is a great image of him, and there is indeed a resemblance to his great grandfather......

The prince's decision to give up polo may have something to do with his increased duties on behalf of the Queen.  Obviously, although he has been lucky in the past to have sustained few and minor injuries playing polo, at his age, a serious injury would be very disruptive to his schedule......I am sure that he is keen to embrace his extra duties and commit fully to them; as such, he may be trying to reduce the risk of anything interfering with his capability to execute them.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on November 19, 2005, 01:45:38 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles sips tea from a Liverpool FC soccer club mug whilst sitting in the Home changing room during a visit to the club's Anfield ground, in Liverpool, England, Friday, Nov. 18, 2005. Prince Charles is taking legal action against a newspaper which published details from his private journals, his office said Friday. Charles is taking action against Associated Newspapers, publishers of the Mail on Sunday, which printed details of the prince's view of the British handover of Hong Kong to China in 1997. (AP Photo/Phil Noble/WPA pool)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Kimberly on November 19, 2005, 01:46:49 PM
EGAD, home dressing room...wonder what he is looking at ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on November 19, 2005, 02:09:12 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, is seen in this July 7, 1990 photo in Aldershot, England, after breaking his arm in a polo accident. The office of the heir to the British throne, Clarence House, announced Thursday, Nov. 17, 2005, that Charles was giving up polo, the equestrian sport he has played for more than 40 years. A spokesman said Charles, who turned 57 this week, had "regretfully" decided not to return to the polo field next season. (AP Photo/Tim Ockenden/PA)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on November 19, 2005, 05:50:38 PM
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** FILE ** Britain's Prince Charles leading his team Kuoni World Class to victory against British Airways at Hurtwood Park, Ewhurst, England, in this May 29, 2005 file photo. The office of the heir to the British throne, Clarence House, announced Thursday, Nov. 17, 2005, that Charles was giving up polo, the equestrian sport he has played for more than 40 years. A spokesman said Charles, who turned 57 this week, had "regretfully" decided not to return to the polo field next season. (AP Photo/Johnny Green/PA/file)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on November 19, 2005, 05:53:12 PM
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This is for TampaBay! ;D

Prince Charles during a polo match in Palm Beach, Florida Nov. 12, 1986 during the royal visit to America. (AP Photo/ Doug Jennings)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on November 19, 2005, 06:08:04 PM
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HRH Prince Charles (R) of Team Prince's of Wales shouts in aggravation after missing a goal shot during the Gulf Co-Operation Council Trophy at The Queen's Ground, Guards Polo Club in Windsor, Saturday, June 25, 2005. After four quarters of polo The Prince's of Wale's Team were defeated by Team GCC 5 1/2 - 7 to win the GCC Cup 2005. (AP Photo/Sergio Dionisio)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on November 19, 2005, 06:12:17 PM
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Prince Charles playing polo against his sons Prince William and Prince Harry. He played for the Midas team and they played for the local Beaufort team at Beaufort Polo Club. Youth triumphed over experience as the young princes' team won the match. Prince Charles has a protective guard to shield his face after a number of injuries in the past. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
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Post by: Caleb on November 19, 2005, 10:53:59 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, is seen in this July 7, 1990 photo in Aldershot, England, after breaking his arm in a polo accident. The office of the heir to the British throne, Clarence House, announced Thursday, Nov. 17, 2005, that Charles was giving up polo, the equestrian sport he has played for more than 40 years. A spokesman said Charles, who turned 57 this week, had "regretfully" decided not to return to the polo field next season. (AP Photo/Tim Ockenden/PA)
Its probably because of the circumstances behind this photo, that he chose to give up polo.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on November 19, 2005, 11:00:13 PM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on November 27, 2005, 12:45:06 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, right, accompanied by his wife Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, arrive for a charity gala in central London, Wednesday Nov. 23, 2005. The gala was organized by the Prince's Trust to raise funds for his youth charity. (AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis)


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HRH Prince Charles, Prince of Wales attends a gala at the Banqueting House as a fundraiser in aid of the Prince's Trust Charity and laughs with Eric Clapton, Stephen Fry and Jules Holland (Tim Graham) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles; Prince of Wales 11/23/2005
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Post by: Richard_Maybery on November 27, 2005, 02:15:58 PM
Yikes, how hideous Steven Fry looks...truly a man whose natural home is the ugly tw*t tree!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on November 28, 2005, 11:10:07 AM
Language Richard , please!  ::)

You do have a point though, and it is unusual to see more than the soles of Fry's shoes when he is in the company of the Prince...... ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on November 28, 2005, 01:21:39 PM
I wonder if he can be hideous and not hilarious.
I couldn’t see him play Macbeth, or Richard III… and not because he is too tall. ;D
Has anybody seen him play a tragedy?
And, after all, aren’t “ugly” characters more exciting to play?
I’m sure he makes a fine impersonation of the prince! ;)
What a gay person! ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on November 29, 2005, 06:08:50 AM
I can't really comment on that, palimpsest.

He does enjoy a reputation in this country as a fine actor, although I must add that the only performance of his that I did enjoy was that of Oscar Wilde.......
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on November 29, 2005, 11:52:37 AM
I haven't seen him as Oscar Wilde but very recently in a small part in "Gosford Park" [Robert Altman]; he was OK; but he does seem to be limited to a certain small range of characters, doesn't he?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on November 29, 2005, 11:58:52 AM
I think that is very true, Palimpsest.

Part of it may be due to the limitations of his physicality;some actors are very versatile when it comes to having the facility to look different.  Mind you, he can't even sound different, so perhaps his range is very limited.

I saw him do the Parkinson show and he seemed to be a pleasant fellow, with a nicely developed sense of humour, especially about himself, but sadly was so unctuous when it came to discussing his friendship with the POW, whom he genuinely admires, that it was a little off-putting.....
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on November 29, 2005, 12:38:35 PM
Don't I have the same tendency? ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on November 30, 2005, 06:32:26 AM
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Don't I have the same tendency? ;)  ;D


I don't think so........ :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: etonexile on November 30, 2005, 10:27:01 PM
The POW seems a sad creature from the get-go....subject to anxiety and depression....with the childish rages of frustration...

May HM live a long,long...long time....
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on November 30, 2005, 10:58:30 PM
I Feel  sorry for him  basically  hes the eternal understudy......lol  Im  glad hes married the woman he loves  and seems to be happy now
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on December 01, 2005, 07:06:57 AM
It seems that Charles has found personal happiness with marriage to his long-time love Camilla.

However, in his recent television interview before their US tour, his old angsts about being misunderstood and not appreciated by the public are still there in full measure, as discussed elsewhere.  :-/

Back to the pics...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 02, 2005, 05:54:15 PM
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Britain's Prince of Wales and his wife Camilla have chosen this family picture taken at their April wedding for their 2005 Christmas card, royal officials said Thursday. Seen in the picture are from left: Charles' sons, Prince Harry, and Prince William, and Camilla's children Laura and Tom Parker Bowles, gathered around the royal couple in the White Drawing Room at Windsor Castle, Windsor, England. It is the first time Camilla has appeared on Charles' Christmas card; although Charles and Camilla have been companions for some years, previous cards have featured Charles alone with his sons. The picture was taken during the couple's wedding at Windsor, west of London, on April 9 by official photographer Hugo Burnand. (AP Photo/Hugo Burnand/PA)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grand Duke on December 02, 2005, 06:01:48 PM
In the previous photo, the child in the the painting is pointing out a gun to Prince William's head!   :o :o :o

Freaky...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: PssMarieAmelie on December 02, 2005, 06:03:43 PM
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In the previous photo, the child in the the painting is pointing out a gun to Prince William's head!   :o :o :o

Freaky...




:o :o :o :o


I never realized that.....


Quite freaky....
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 02, 2005, 06:10:42 PM
"Oh/wow, what big-eagle-eyes you've got, GD!" :o

palimpsest / the Little Red-Cap ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on December 03, 2005, 03:56:16 PM
I cannot see anything "freaky" in this whatsoever.  ???

There is a painting in the room with somebody holding a gun.  There are people in the room being photographed.

That's it, in my opinion...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grand Duke on December 03, 2005, 04:26:06 PM
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There are people in the room being photographed.


And what kind of FREAKY people are being photographed.  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grand Duke on December 03, 2005, 04:27:43 PM
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"Oh/wow, what big-eagle-eyes you've got, GD!" :o

palimpsest / the Little Red-Cap ;D

;D

And I also have a big mouth and a sharp tongue!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 03, 2005, 04:37:36 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Viscount on December 03, 2005, 05:57:31 PM
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d78/Mountbatten/PrinceofWales5Army5.jpg)

I think HRH looks very happy since his 2nd marriage - although Im not really a Camilla fan, I wish them both well and a long and happy marriage.  I just wish people would realise that everyone has made mistakes - we all do?  Unfortunately HRH's are more public!  

Lets just try and move on and wish them well.  Life is far too short to keep on and on about the past.  We cant re-write history and neither can the ones involved!

ICH DIEN

The Viscount
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on December 03, 2005, 07:56:19 PM
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;D

And I also have a big mouth and a sharp tongue!  ;D ;D ;D


Don't we know it!  ;D

But you are also extremely amusing and so, as far as I am concerned, this outweighs any of your more negative qualities!  :D ;)

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Viscount on December 03, 2005, 09:08:58 PM
Anyone got any better pics of the Investiture?

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d78/Mountbatten/PrinceofWales14PrinceofWalesInvesti.jpg)

Seems to be very few pics?

Anyway - who said he wasnt happy NOW?

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d78/Mountbatten/93740117.jpg)

ICH DIEN

The Viscount
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 04, 2005, 04:49:21 PM
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The ceremony of Prince Charles's investiture by Queen Elizabeth II on July 1, 1969. (AP Photo)


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The ceremony of Prince Charles's investiture by Queen Elizbeth II on July 1, 1969. (AP Photo)


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THE BRONZE BUST IN THE GUILDHALL, LONDON, OF PRINCE CHARLES IN HIS (1969) INVESTITURE CROWN. (Exact date uncertain) (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grand Duke on December 04, 2005, 04:59:48 PM
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But you are also extremely amusing and so, as far as I am concerned, this outweighs any of your more negative qualities!  :D ;)


Negative qualities?  ??? But I don't have any defect, only qualities.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Ssyentz on December 04, 2005, 05:05:40 PM
Included in those positive qualities:
   1.  HUBRIS...??              ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on December 05, 2005, 08:11:42 AM
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I think HRH looks very happy since his 2nd marriage - although Im not really a Camilla fan, I wish them both well and a long and happy marriage.  I just wish people would realise that everyone has made mistakes - we all do?  Unfortunately HRH's are more public!  

Lets just try and move on and wish them well.  Life is far too short to keep on and on about the past.  We cant re-write history and neither can the ones involved!

ICH DIEN

The Viscount


I think that you have summed the situation up very well, Viscount.

I entirely agree with you.  :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Alicky1872 on December 05, 2005, 03:17:49 PM
This is one of the most precious pictures I have ever seen...

(http://worldroots.com/brigitte/diana_gifs/diana601.jpg)


Is it just me, or does it look like Charles has beat David Dickinson in the Orange awards?!  ;D Must just be the quality of the original scan.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 09, 2005, 09:05:06 AM
(http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7695/90557263su.jpg)

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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales meets actress Tilda Swinton and other cast members at the Royal Film Performance and World Premiere of "The Chronicles of Narnia" at the Royal Albert Hall. The new big screen adaptation of C S Lewis' The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe is held in aid of The Cinema And Television Benevolent Fund, London, Wednesday, Dec. 7, 2005, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Tilda Swinton
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on December 10, 2005, 02:10:30 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4516668.stm
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 10, 2005, 04:32:03 PM
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From left: Britain's Prince of Wales, Swiss transport minister and designated Swiss Federal President Moritz Leuenberger and Stefan Engler, District President of the canton of Grisons, cut the ribbon at the inauguration of the Sunniberg bridge and the adjacent Gotschna tunnel in Klosters, Switzerland, Friday, Dec. 9, 2005. The opening ceremony of the by-pass bridge and tunnel, that shall relieve Klosters, Prince Charles' favorite ski resort in Switzerland, from the transit traffic, featured musical performances from local school children in fancy dress and a brass band. (AP Photo/KEYSTONE/Arno Balzarini)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 15, 2005, 11:58:48 AM
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Prince Charles, with his mother, Queen Elizabeth II and his sister, Princess Anne, left, as they sit in an automobile following their arrival in London, Feb. 9, 1953, by train from a six-week Christmas vacation at Sandringham,England. (AP photo)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 16, 2005, 12:25:43 PM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales meets Julia Claverdon, Chief Executive of Business in the Community and music hall singer Catherine Donnachie (R), after delivering a speech to mark the 15th anniversary of his Seeing is Believing initiative at Wilton's Music Hall in London, Wednesday, Dec. 14, 2005, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 16, 2005, 02:05:08 PM
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Prince Charles dressed in uniform for his role as Colonel of the Welsh Guards at the Queen Elizabeth Barracks in Pirbright, Surrey on St Davids Day 1st March. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Viscount on December 16, 2005, 08:20:36 PM
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d78/Mountbatten/roy-hrh_pcharles2.jpg)


The Viscount
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 16, 2005, 08:51:58 PM
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HRH Prince Charles, Prince of Wales meets the puppeteers after the Royal Gala performance of 'Madame Butterfly' by the English National Opera in aid of the Prince's Trust at The Coliseum Opera House on December 16, 2005 in London, England. (Tim Graham) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 16, 2005, 08:54:10 PM
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HRH Prince Charles, Prince of Wales meets opera singer Mary Plazas who plays Madam Butterfly after the Royal Gala performance of 'Madame Butterfly' by the English National Opera in aid of the Prince's Trust at The Coliseum Opera House on December 16, 2005 in London, England. (Tim Graham) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Mary Plazas
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Viscount on December 17, 2005, 08:10:57 AM
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The Viscount

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Viscount on December 17, 2005, 08:12:21 AM
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HRH The Prince of Wales



The Viscount
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Viscount on December 17, 2005, 08:13:04 AM
...ooops TAKE 2

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The Viscount


Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Viscount on December 17, 2005, 08:15:21 AM
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HRH The Prince of Wales




The Viscount
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Viscount on December 17, 2005, 08:16:54 AM
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HRH The Prince of Wales



The Viscount
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 18, 2005, 01:06:52 PM
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PRINCE CHARLES IN KILT AND SPORRAN AND SHEPHERD'S CROOK WALKING STICK WITH PRINCE WILLIAM AND PRINCE HARRY AT POLVIER, BY THE RIVER DEE, BALMORAL CASTLE ESTATE. PRINCE WILLIAM'S DOG WIDGEON, A BLACK LABRADOR, AND PRINCE CHARLES'S JACK RUSSELL, CALLED TIGGA (TIGGER), ARE WITH THEM. (AP PHOTO/TIM GRAHAM PICTURE LIBRARY)
08/10/1997



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PRINCE CHARLES WITH PRINCE WILLIAM & PRINCE HARRY LOOKING AT THE FLORAL TRIBUTES LEFT AT KENSINGTON PALACE AFTER THE DEATH OF THEIR MOTHER.AT LEFT IS PRINCE CHARLES' BODYGUARD COLIN TRIMMING. (AP PHOTO/TIM GRAHAM PICTURE LIBRARY) 09/05/1997

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Prince Charles, Prince Harry, Earl Charles Spencer, Prince William and Prince Philip stand as the coffin bearing the body of Princess Diana is taken into Westminster Abbey, Saturday, Sept. 6, 1997 in London. (AP Photo/John Gaps III)

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on December 19, 2005, 07:32:27 AM
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HRH Prince Charles, Prince of Wales meets opera singer Mary Plazas who plays Madam Butterfly after the Royal Gala performance of 'Madame Butterfly' by the English National Opera in aid of the Prince's Trust at The Coliseum Opera House on December 16, 2005 in London, England. (Tim Graham) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Mary Plazas


I have worked with Mary Plazas several times and will be working with her again next season.

She is a very fine singer and her performance as Cio Cio San in Madama Butterfly has been acclaimed.

I have never heard that the Prince is particularly a fan of opera?  :-/
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on December 19, 2005, 05:32:22 PM
Meanwhile at Highgrove:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1135016757.html
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Margarita Markovna on December 19, 2005, 06:56:19 PM
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(http://img449.imageshack.us/img449/9247/79085896wb.jpg)

PRINCE CHARLES IN KILT AND SPORRAN AND SHEPHERD'S CROOK WALKING STICK WITH PRINCE WILLIAM AND PRINCE HARRY AT POLVIER, BY THE RIVER DEE, BALMORAL CASTLE ESTATE. PRINCE WILLIAM'S DOG WIDGEON, A BLACK LABRADOR, AND PRINCE CHARLES'S JACK RUSSELL, CALLED TIGGA (TIGGER), ARE WITH THEM. (AP PHOTO/TIM GRAHAM PICTURE LIBRARY)
08/10/1997


This is a great picture. Scotland is so pretty.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 25, 2005, 04:58:25 PM
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Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, centre, walks with other members of the British royal family, clockwise from left, Prince Phillip, Prince Charles, Prince William, Prince Edward, Peter Phillips, Prince Harry, Princess Eugenie, Princess Beatrice and Queen Elizabeth II, after the traditional annual Christmas Day service at Sandringham, England, Sunday Dec. 25, 2005. It is the first time that Camilla has attended as a member of the Royal family. (AP Photo/Alastair Grant, Pool)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 29, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2295/untitled1cd1hm.jpg)

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3018/untitled2s9hc.jpg)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on December 29, 2005, 04:29:55 PM

Madame Tussaud's Wax Museum

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/5389/untitled3n7ji.jpg)

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6705/untitled3v5sx.jpg)




;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on December 29, 2005, 05:11:43 PM
I suppose that head of Charles has been superseded by a more age-appropriate one now.  I thought they'd just melt them down and re-use them - obviously not.  :o

It looks like the set of the movie House of Wax (1953) - it was ever-so-good...  It'd be a bit spooky to be there at night, what?!  ;D

Back to topic...  ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on January 08, 2006, 02:05:18 PM
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Britain's Prince William, right, arrives with his father, the Prince of Wales, left, at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst, southern England, at the start of his Army Officer training Sunday Jan. 8, 2005. William, 23, the eldest son of Prince Charles and the late Princess Diana, becomes one of the 270 recruits taking the 44-week course. (AP Photo/Tim Ockenden, Pool)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on January 08, 2006, 02:07:35 PM
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Prince Charles, The Prince of Wales visits a new housing estate and meets a resident while inspecting the development of the urban extension in Upton, Northampton, Friday, Jan. 6, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles; Prince of Wales
Location NORTHAMPTON, ENGLAND United Kingdom
Creation Date 01/06/2006 ::
Submit Date 01/06/2006 10:41:30
Credit Associated Press

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on January 11, 2006, 07:44:06 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles meets a group of Bhutanese monks during a visit to the consecration of the Stupa Buddhist Religious Monument at Harewood House near Leeds, Tuesday April 5, 2005. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on January 18, 2006, 03:20:59 PM
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In this image released by the Kuwait Ministry of Information, Britain's Prince Charles, center, sits besides Kuwait's Prime Minister Sheik Sabah Al Sabah, left, after presenting his condolences on the death of the emir of Kuwait Sheik Jaber Al Ahmed Al Sabah at Bayan Palace, Kuwait City on Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006. Kuwait's prime minister appears likely to be named crown prince, replacing the heir apparent who became Kuwait's ruler after the emir died Sunday. Kuwaitis are looking for a speedy appointment because the new emir is ailing, raising worries over succession, and Sheik Sabah is a natural choice.(AP Photo/Kuwait Ministry of Information, HO)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Rain on January 19, 2006, 01:04:14 AM
Forgive me for jumping in on this discussion, I have only just joined (after lurking for some time!) and have not yet worked out how to post pictures.

As this discussion is on the Prince of Wales, I thought you mind find this interesting.  Recently I followed a local news crew around who were asking the general public about their views of the POW & his Princess.  Suprisingly, many of the answers were quite positive with only a few negatives.  From my observations, the positives far outran the negatives.  Anyway, I watched that particular television channel for a few days and lo and behold, there was the story.....with one person wholeheartedly saying positive things, 3 negatives and several edited to appear non-commital!

The power of the press.  :(

I for one have never felt strongly for or against the POW, but I do feel the media has played a too strong part in the rather unbalanced view the world has of him, don't you?

Anyway, forgive me again, just my 2 cents!  ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on January 19, 2006, 04:57:26 AM
I'm not a UK tax payer so I can't be taken seriously, as one of our forum-friends said. But I still tend to agree with you.

More so, I think he is a pain in the neck for all those who make big money by ignoring the health and all other long-term interests of the people [bad food, "sick" buildings, etc.].  >:(

Fortunately time passes and he is proven right! :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: PssMarieAmelie on January 19, 2006, 05:12:42 AM
Quote

As this discussion is on the Prince of Wales, I thought you mind find this interesting.  Recently I followed a local news crew around who were asking the general public about their views of the POW & his Princess.  Suprisingly, many of the answers were quite positive with only a few negatives.  From my observations, the positives far outran the negatives.  Anyway, I watched that particular television channel for a few days and lo and behold, there was the story.....with one person wholeheartedly saying positive things, 3 negatives and several edited to appear non-commital!

The power of the press.  :(



Anyway, forgive me again, just my 2 cents!  ;D





Really? That's really sad. The media has WAY too much influence on the public IMO. A couple of months ago I was reading the opinions page in The Advertiser(South Australia's local paper) and the question was--what is your opinion of Charles and Camilla? There were only two positive replies on the whole page. One negative reply read: "Charles and Camilla. Bring on the republic.". Quite sad, really. :(
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 19, 2006, 05:16:26 AM
Good point Rain, it's s shame but they always look for the nagative don't they? Quite sad really. maybe they are unhappy with their own lives.

I agree with a lot of Prince Charles says and applaud him for that.

When i went to Madame Tussauds exhibition I saw that head and another one of Charles as a boy. Grace is right Charles has been superseded by a more age-appropriate one!! :) The most interesting model, i thought, was one of Madame du Barry lying on a couch, very pretty!

Also I like that picture of PrinceCharles with his two Jack Russells! They are so cute. Unfortunatly he lost one on a walk, poor doggyy  :-/ :(
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on January 25, 2006, 12:27:40 PM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales speaks to young people who have been learning about Muslim cultures during a visit to the Millennium Galleries to see the new 'Palace and Mosque' exhibition in Sheffield, Tuesday, Jan. 24, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles; Prince of Wales


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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales meets pupils from High Storrs Secondary School during a visit to the Millennium Galleries to see the new 'Palace and Mosque' exhibition and meet young people who have been learning about Muslim cultures, in Sheffield, Tuesday, Jan. 24, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles; Prince of Wales
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Post by: palimpsest on January 27, 2006, 08:27:38 AM
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Britain's Prince Charles addresses a Celebrating Achievement conference at St James's Palace in London, Thursday Jan. 26, 2006. The Prince called for the pedestrian not the car to be put at the centre of town planning to create more liveable communities and highlighted the importance of fresh air in keeping people healthy, during the forum hosted by the Prince's Foundation for the Built Environment and the King's Fund. (AP Photo/Matt Dunham-WPA Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on January 27, 2006, 09:27:29 AM
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Britain's Prince of Wales, center, laughs with the President of Mali, Amadou Toumani Toure, right, and Dr Ahmed Mohamed Ali, President of the Islamic Development Bank (IDB) in London, Thursday Jan. 26, 2006. The Prince of Wales today urged people to address the challenges faced by young British Muslims who feel they have no stake in society. Charles also spoke of the need to do more to help tackle youth unemployment in the Middle East. The heir to the throne was attending a conference in London to mark the 30th anniversary of the Islamic Development Bank. (AP Photo/Odd Anderson, pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on January 30, 2006, 01:59:07 PM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales visits the Wellspring Health Living Centre to meet staff and patients before presenting the Prince of Wales' Foundation for Integrated Health awards for Good Practice in Bristol, Friday, Jan. 27, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles; Prince of Wales
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Post by: palimpsest on January 31, 2006, 08:51:03 AM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales visits the Wellspring Health Living Centre before presenting the Prince of Wales' Foundation for Integrated Health awards for Good Practice in Bristol, Friday, Jan. 27, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles; Prince of Wales
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales visits the Wellspring Health Living Centre to meet staff and patients before presenting the Prince of Wales' Foundation for Integrated Health awards for Good Practice in Bristol, Friday, Jan. 27, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles; Prince of Wales
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Post by: palimpsest on January 31, 2006, 09:08:07 AM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, patron of the Friends of Westonbirt Arboretum, plant the 100th maple tree in the Rotary Glade to mark the 100th anniversary of The Rotary Club at Westonbirt Arboretum in Gloucestershire, Monday, Jan. 30, 2006, (Tim Graham) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall sign the visitors' book at the official opening of Copland Sport Centre at Westonbirt School in Gloucestershire, Monday, Jan. 30, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall officially open the Copland Sports Centre at Westonbirt School and meet pupils in Gloucestershire, Monday, Jan. 30, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
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Post by: palimpsest on January 31, 2006, 06:44:08 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles greets Afghan President Hamid Karzai, as he arrives for dinner at Clarence House, London, Tuesday Jan.31, 2006. National envoys and representatives of many international bodies are meeting in London for a two-day conference aimed at securing future aid and support for Afghanistan which is still plagued by violence and poverty more than four years after the fall of the Taliban regime.(AP Photo / Michael Stephens, pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on January 31, 2006, 06:48:19 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, center, listens to delegates prior to addressing a Celebrating Achievement conference at St James's Palace in London, Thursday Jan. 26, 2006. The Prince called for the pedestrian not the car to be put at the centre of town planning to create more liveable communities and highlighted the importance of fresh air in keeping people healthy, during the forum hosted by the Prince's Foundation for the Built Environment and the King's Fund. (AP Photo/Matt Dunham-WPA Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on February 03, 2006, 10:43:28 AM
The Times
February 03, 2006


Prince shepherds more mutton on to our menu
By Alan Hamilton



THE Prince of Wales did not feel in the least sheepish about donning a black tie, leaving his wife at home and going to the inaugural dinner of his new club at the Ritz last night.
Ever the friend of the struggling farmer, the Prince has become patron of the Mutton Renaissance Club, a body dedicated to restoring elderly sheep meat to its rightful place on the national menu. You can probably guess what they had to eat.



John Williams, head chef at the Ritz, conjured up Trilogy of Mutton Prince of Wales, three ways of cooking two-year old Ovis aries using meat from the Prince’s own farm at Highgrove and from producers in mid-Wales and Cumbria.

A sheep is regarded as a lamb until it is about 10 months old. It then becomes a hoggett, and at the age of 2 its flesh becomes mutton.

Most of us can take or leave mutton, the meat of old England until it was usurped by roast beef in the 18th century. The Prince takes it, even telling a group of schoolchildren this week that it was his favourite food.

Three years ago the Prince, hearing the complaints of farmers that they were getting poor prices for their mature ewes, and amid fears of an ovine form of BSE, helped to launch the Mutton Renaissance Campaign with a mutton dinner at Highgrove. Since then the campaign has had some success, with chefs from Gordon Ramsay to Jamie Oliver prepared to put in a good word for the meat, and famous restaurants such as Le Gavroche and the Ritz willing to put it on the menu.

John Thorley, of the National Sheep Association, a guest at last night’s dinner, said: “Over the past year mutton has gained a following in pockets across the country. However, there is much more to do. It is clear that some chefs are being asked to pay a relatively high price for mutton, but few farmers are seeing an uplift in returns.”

The dinner brought together most of the estimated 200 farmers, restaurateurs, butchers and slaughterers in Britain who are now rearing, selling and serving mutton, a meat widely recognised as fattier but with a much gamier flavour than lamb.

Mutton fell out of fashion in Britain after the Second World War. Falling wool prices led to there being fewer older ewes around to butcher for meat, and consumers became used to year-round lamb, whether frozen from New Zealand or fresh from a Welsh hillside. Mutton has since suffered from the reputation of being cheap but tough.

Last night’s dinner was an attempt to re-establish the supply chain and to improve mutton’s image. Celebrity chefs have been recruited to explain how it is best cooked: slow in a casserole, with garlic, parsley and onions.

The British will still take some convincing; they eat 120 million lamb chops every year, but not many mutton chops. Even the most ardent champions of the older sheep concede that it will never have more than a niche market.

On the other hand. we probably eat far more mutton than we realise. It is not unknown, in some less discriminating restaurants, for it to arrive on the plate dressed as lamb.

FIT FOR A PRINCE


The dishes that comprised Trilogy of Mutton Prince of Wales were: Tourte of Herdwick mutton, from a farm in Cumbria; a salted leg cooked in goose fat, then reduced to strands, mixed with Madeira and veal stock and baked in puff pastry as a pie

Welsh mountain mutton stew, boneless neck sautéed then oven-cooked with tomato purée, herbs, onions, garlic, leek, celery, carrot and fennel

Roast loin fillet of mutton, from the Prince’s own Lleyn Welsh breed at Highgrove, boned, de-fatted and cooked with vegetables and white wine




The mutton was served with new season turnips, carrots, parsnips and Jerusalem artichoke purée


Starters were smoked salmon, foie gras with truffle jelly, goat’s cheese, chicken skewers, cauliflower pannacotta with caviar, and a casoulette of lobster with Thai spice and coconut, followed by crab and prawn salad. Pudding was passion fruit


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Post by: palimpsest on February 03, 2006, 10:47:32 AM
30 Jan 2006

Prince of Wales blames poor town planning for rise in obesity

Prince Charles has expressed his concern over the increase in obesity in the UK by urging people to walk and cycle more.

The Prince, speaking at the Celebrating Achievement forum at St James’s Palace, blamed the infrastructure of towns and cities for their part in discouraging pedestrians and physical activity on the whole.

He said: “There’s a disturbing link between the built environment, physical inactivity and, most worryingly, childhood obesity.

“It might help if the built environment was more attractive and appealing to the pedestrian.”

The Prince’s comments come just months after he backed demands for healthier, more nutritional, school meals.

The Celebrating Achievement forum was hosted by the Prince’s Foundation for the Built Environment and the King’s Fund.

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Post by: Eddie_uk on February 03, 2006, 12:17:50 PM
I would have to agree. Well said Charlie.  :)
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Post by: Grace on February 03, 2006, 01:40:01 PM
I think there is merit in almost all of the statements made by Charles of this ilk.

Sometimes his views and comments are not always applicable to the everyday person and their lifestyle, though, and this can see him branded him as a loony or out of touch.
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Post by: loyalist1867 on February 03, 2006, 07:17:12 PM
It seems to me that the P. o. W., by his very position,  has esoteric information available to him.
Why not listen?
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Post by: Faberge on February 03, 2006, 08:11:54 PM
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Oh come on, he has a whole PR machine behind him.

Either he doesn't listen to their advice, ot the advice that they do give is poor.

A mixture of the two I suspect.....


I must agree. He is the only member of the House of Windsor to have tremendous guidance and support in the form of the PR machine you mentioned. In fact I've never read of a royal personage in the world who has anything approaching the sort of publicity and exposure Charles has on a regular basis. His every move is touted as ' grand, sensible, kind, witty, generous, intelligent' and the like.

He has had so much praise I dare say he can never get enough and therefore makes remarks like the one pertaining to his Trust. He is always noted for the good work that stems from the Trust and gets tremendous recognition for it , and yet he wants much, much more.

As far as vocal opinions, of late some of his have tended to be unpopular.

http://www.royalarchive.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1615&Itemid=2

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4396515.stm
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Post by: palimpsest on February 04, 2006, 01:55:53 PM
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I must agree. He is the only member of the House of Windsor to have tremendous guidance and support in the form of the PR machine you mentioned. In fact I've never read of a royal personage in the world who has anything approaching the sort of publicity and exposure Charles has on a regular basis. His every move is touted as ' grand, sensible, kind, witty, generous, intelligent' and the like.

He has had so much praise I dare say he can never get enough and therefore makes remarks like the one pertaining to his Trust. He is always noted for the good work that stems from the Trust and gets tremendous recognition for it , and yet he wants much, much more.

As far as vocal opinions, of late some of his have tended to be unpopular.

http://www.royalarchive.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1615&Itemid=2

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4396515.stm


Maybe this is the case in the UK, but in the US you can hear mostly criticism and ridicule [some times disserved but most of the time undeserved] and almost no praise.

[BTW the China comments and the remarks on the press where not "vocal" but private-make-public-without-his-consent]

And I still have no general idea of the complete list of "vocal opinions", my goal in starting this thread.


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Post by: Eddie_uk on February 04, 2006, 02:02:20 PM
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Maybe this is the case in the UK, but in the US you can hear mostly criticism and ridicule [some times disserved but most of the time undeserved] and almost no praise.




Maybe because the US as a whole is not very environmentally friendly.  Was it George Bush of Arnold  Schwarzenegger that were quoted as saying "We don't worry about that" when asked about the damage to the ozone layer?

Besides people do love to critise the royals. Sad i think :) but then it's the same here...

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Post by: ilyala on February 04, 2006, 02:04:34 PM
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Maybe because the US as a whole is not very environmentally friendly.  Was it George Bush of Arnold  Schwarzenegger that were quoted as saying "We don't worry about that" when asked about the damage to the ozone layer?

Besides people do love to critise the royals. Sad i think :) but then it's the same here...



and americans agree to not worry about that?
>:(

(sorry but this stupid ignorance gets to me)
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Post by: Eddie_uk on February 04, 2006, 02:07:53 PM
Oh i'm sure lots of them don't ilyala :)

Though many drive around in those monstrous trunks burning off all those fossil fuels ..... :-/
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Post by: Faberge on February 04, 2006, 05:15:21 PM
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The Prince of Wales has strong and vocal opinions on organic farming, health, architecture, environment, etc.

I think he is increasingly proven right on most of them. What do you think?


No. Other than the organic farming he seems to simply echo what other leaders have said. He is not an innovator and some of his ideas on health are not at all sound. His ideas on education have some merit though some of them are too extreme to be implemented in the main stream.

The residents near and in Poundbury have just rejected his latest ideas to build more higly pigly rental property in their midst.

http://www.royalarchive.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1265&Itemid=2

I enjoy talking to trees and plants and rivers so I see Charles' point on that matter.  ;)
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Post by: Faberge on February 04, 2006, 05:27:27 PM
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and americans agree to not worry about that?
 >:(

(sorry but this stupid ignorance gets to me)


Not at all true. Americans are passionate about ecology and always have been. The Sierra Club, founded in 1893, the world's largest Friends of Nature and conservation organization, has been going strong in America long before other countries took it up. Pay no attention to Bush and Arnold.

" The Sierra Club's members are more than 750,000 of your friends and neighbors. Inspired by nature, we work together to protect our communities and the planet. The Club is America's oldest, largest and most influential grassroots environmental organization."

http://www.sierraclub.org/

:)
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Post by: ChristineM on February 05, 2006, 04:57:56 AM
The Prince of Wales was one of the first people to openly expound the values and benefits of alternative medicine.   He has done so for decades and what do we have now?   The NHS creating homeopathic hospitals, acupuncture available on the NHS, the government running a campaign encouraging everyone to eat five pieces of fruit and vegetables a day.   Chinese herbal clinics springing up in every main street of every town in the UK.   Reflexology, hypnosis, Reiki etc. formerly the preserve of enthusiastic wholemeal spaghetti eaters, now generally accepted as part of the panoply of health care.  

Likewise, his concern with the damage to the planet.   Prince Charles has been preaching the study and practice of ecology for years and years.   Now, even the ultra-resistent President Bush is reluctantly accepting our life-styles are driving us towards global disaster.

The Prince of Wales has, in a number of ways, been ahead of his time.   For years, he has been labelled a crank.   What, may I ask, turns the wheel round?

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Prince_Lieven on February 06, 2006, 08:03:12 AM
Sadly, it's the same old story - I can't see Charles been given credit for his foresight any time soon.  :-/
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Post by: NAAOTMA on February 06, 2006, 12:58:46 PM
Well said Tsaria and Prince L.
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Post by: palimpsest on February 08, 2006, 01:08:21 PM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales looks at magazines at the Post Office in Pooley Bridge before visiting three initiatives aimed at helping rural communities in Cumbria, Monday, February 6, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales enjoys a beer in the Sun Inn in Pooley Bridge before visiting three initiatives aimed at helping rural communities in Cumbria, Monday, February 6, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales
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Post by: palimpsest on February 08, 2006, 01:10:59 PM
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The Prince of Wales wearing protective clothing during a visit to new meat processing plant near Tebay, Cumbria, Monday February 6, 2006. Prince Charles officially opened the $680,000 plant, which is run by a farmers' co-operative. (AP Photo/John Giles/WPA Rota)
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Post by: palimpsest on February 08, 2006, 01:16:51 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, The Prince of Wales, gestures as he looks at a drawing of himself by schoolboy Hugo Marsh during a visit to an exhibition entitled 'In the Land of Illustrations' , in London, Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2006. The Prince, who is President of the Prince of Wales Arts and Kids foundation, looked at drawings and paintings by Primary School children from around Britain and some of the children took the opportunity to draw the Prince. (AP Photo / Alastair Grant , Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on February 08, 2006, 01:21:17 PM
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An unidentified schoolgirl from Boughton-u-Blean Primary School , England, draws Britain's Prince Charles as he speaks, in London, Wednesday Feb. 8, 2006. Prince Charles, The Prince of Wales, visited an exhibition entitled 'In the Land of Illustrations' in London, Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2006. The Prince, who is President of the Prince of Wales Arts and Kids foundation, looked at drawings and paintings by Primary School children from around Britain and some of the children took the opportunity to draw the Prince. (AP Photo / Alastair Grant , Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on February 08, 2006, 03:13:29 PM
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Hugo Marsh from Beaconsfield, England, holds his drawing of the Prince of Wales in London, Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2006. Britain's Prince Charles, The Prince of Wales, visited an exhibition entitled 'In the Land of Illustrations' in London, Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2006. The Prince, who is President of the Prince of Wales Arts and Kids foundation, looked at drawings and paintings by Primary School children from around Britain and some of the children took the opportunity to draw the Prince. (AP Photo / Alastair Grant , Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on February 08, 2006, 03:14:50 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, The Prince of Wales, climbs out of the cockpit of a Eurofighter Typhoon during a tour of BAE Systems' Warton Aerodrome, Preston, England, watched by Flight Lieutenant James McKeeking , left, and BAE Test pilot Mark Bowman, Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2006. (AP Photo / Bruce Adams, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on February 08, 2006, 03:15:55 PM
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The Prince of Wales walks past a photograph of Britain's Queen Elizabeth II as he visits three initiatives aimed at helping rural communities in Pooley Bridge, Monday February 6, 2006. Charles will firstly launch an affordable rural housing good practice guide in Pooley Bridge. (AP Photo/John Giles/WPA Rota)
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Post by: palimpsest on February 17, 2006, 07:21:00 AM
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Prince Charles, The Prince of Wales chats to author and professor George Steiner at a reception to celebrate the Everyman's Library Centenary held in the John Madejski Fine Rooms at the Royal Academy of Arts in London, Wednesday, Feb. 15, 2006, (Tim Graham)
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Post by: palimpsest on February 17, 2006, 07:26:37 AM
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PRINCE CHARLES LOOKING AT A PAIR OF GLOVES ON DISPLAY AT LAMBETH PALACE WHICH HAD BEEN WORN BY HIS ANCESTOR KING CHARLES I AS HE WAS TAKEN FOR EXECUTION. HE HANDED THEM TO THE ARCHBISHOP AT THE TIME SAYING HE WOULD HAVE NO FURTHER NEED FOR THEM. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library) 03/30/2000
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Post by: palimpsest on February 17, 2006, 07:27:56 AM
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PRINCE CHARLES IN GUYANA, SOUTH AMERICA, VISITING IWOKRAMA RAINFOREST WEARING GARLANDS AND HEAD-DRESS OF HAWK FEATHERS AND PALM LEAVES WITH WHICH HE HAD BEEN CROWNED AN INDIAN CHIEF. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
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PRINCE CHARLES, PRINCE WILLIAM AND PRINCE HARRY ON A SKIING HOLIDAY IN KLOSTERS, SWITZERLAND. (AP PHOTO/TIM GRAHAM PICTURE LIBRARY) 04/07/2000
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Post by: palimpsest on February 17, 2006, 07:42:09 AM
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PRINCE CHARLES VISITING A REFUGE FOR ABANDONED CHILDREN SPONSORED BY BRITISH GAS IN PORT OF SPAIN, TRINIDAD. ONE OF THE CHILDREN PRESENTS PRINCE CHARLES WITH A BASEBALL CAP WHICH FEATURES THE BRITISH GAS LOGO. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
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PRINCE CHARLES VISITING THE FARMERS MARKET IN MELTON MOWBRAY, LEICESTERSHIRE (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
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PRINCE CHARLES ARRIVING WITH FRIENDS, GEOFFREY KENT AND HIS WIFE, AT ROYAL ASCOT. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
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Post by: palimpsest on February 17, 2006, 07:46:34 AM
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PRINCE CHARLES OPENING THE NEWLY REFURBISHED CRYPT AT LAMBETH PALACE IN SOUTH LONDON. HE IS MEETING A GROUP OF SCHOOL CHILDREN WORKING ON A PROJECT THAT IS PART OF THE EXHIBITION THAT CAN BE SEEN IN THE CRYPT. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
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PRINCE CHARLES KISSING ACTRESS EMMA THOMPSON AT THE PREMIERE OF 'MAYBE BABY' AT THE ODEON CINEMA, LEICESTER SQUARE, LONDON. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
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PRINCE CHARLES POSING FOR A PHOTOGRAPH WITH SOME OF THE PUPILS WHILST VISITING THE TAGORE MEMORIAL SCHOOL ON THE GUYSUCO SUGAR ESTATE IN CORRIVERTON, GUYANA. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
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PRINCE CHARLES IN PORT OF SPAIN, TRINIDAD MEETING TRINIDAD'S MOST FAMOUS CALYPSO SINGER CALLED SUPER BLUE [DRESSED IN BLUE] WHO INVITED HIM TO PLAY ONE OF THE STEEL DRUMS. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
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Post by: palimpsest on February 17, 2006, 07:52:53 AM
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PRINCE CHARLES WITH CROWN PRINCE FELIPE OF SPAIN - THE PRINCE OF THE ASTURIAS - VISITING GREATER MANCHESTER AND TOURING A HOUSING ASSOCIATION PROJECT IN SALFORD. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
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Post by: palimpsest on February 17, 2006, 07:54:22 AM
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PRINCE CHARLES LAUGHING WITH THE DUCHESS OF DEVONSHIRE DURING HIS VISIT TO OPEN THE NEW CHATSWORTH FARM SHOP IN BELGRAVIA, LONDON SELLING HIS DUCHY OF CORNWALL PRODUCTS. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
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Post by: palimpsest on February 17, 2006, 07:58:15 AM
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PRINCE CHARLES VISITING SOHO - LONDON'S CHINATOWN - TO MARK THE CHINESE NEW YEAR AND PAINTING THE DRAGON IN THE TRADITIONAL CEREMONY. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library) 02/07/2000
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Post by: palimpsest on February 17, 2006, 07:59:53 AM
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PRINCE CHARLES VISITING TOBAGO MEETING THE LEYLAND CRICKET TEAM TOURING FROM ENGLAND. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)
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Britain's Prince of Wales and Camilla Duchess of Cornwall react after dressing a salad in the cookery lecture theatre during the opening of the University of Derby's campus in Buxton, central England, Friday Feb. 10, 2006. The royal couple were at the University of Derby's Buxton site to see how the former Derbyshire Royal Hospital has been turned into a centre for learning and toured the newly refurbished Dome, a grade II-listed building refurbished for more than 1,500 students and staff. The prince unveiled a plaque to mark the opening of the campus. (AP Photo/Darren Staples, Pool)
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Britain Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall, front centre right and left, pose with Prince's Trust Ambassadors, as they arrive at the Theatre Royal Drury Lane in London to attend the Prince's Trust & RBS Celebrate Success Awards, Monday, Feb 20, 2006. The Ambassadors are, from front left, Margherita Taylor, Gary Lineker, Jade Jagger, Samantha Bond, Will Young, Pierce Brosnan, Joseph Fiennes, Duchess, Kate Adie, Colin Salmon, Prince Charles, unidentified member of band Journey South, David Oyelowo, unidentified member of band Journey South, Jenson Button, Lemar and June Sarpong. (AP Photo / Sang Tan, Pool)
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Britain's Prince of Wales and Camilla Duchess of Cornwall dressing a salad in the cookery lecture theatre during the opening of the University of Derby's campus in Buxton, central England, Friday Feb. 10, 2006. The royal couple were at the University of Derby's Buxton site to see how the former Derbyshire Royal Hospital has been turned into a centre for learning and toured the newly refurbished Dome, a grade II-listed building refurbished for more than 1,500 students and staff. The prince unveiled a plaque to mark the opening of the campus. (AP Photo/Darren Staples, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on February 21, 2006, 10:16:33 PM
Charles 'adopted dissident role'

The Prince of Wales viewed himself as a "dissident" working against political opinion, a former aide has said.

The claim from Mark Bolland, a private secretary between 1996 and 2002, was contained in a statement released as the prince began a High Court case.

He took action after the Mail on Sunday published comments allegedly made in his journal about China's regime.

The prince's lawyers said he was entitled to keep personal documents confidential, like "anyone else".

"We say it is absolutely vital to the position of the claimant, and anyone else in his position, that this sort of document cannot be published willy-nilly by the press," said Hugh Tomlinson QC, for the prince.

Prince Charles claims eight diaries were copied by a former member of his staff and is suing the Mail on Sunday's owners Associated Newspapers for breach of copyright and confidentiality.

Witness statement

In extracts about the 1997 Hong Kong handover published in the Mail on Sunday in November 2005, the prince described Chinese officials as "appalling old waxworks".

In another reported extract, Prince Charles described one ceremony as an "awful Soviet-style" performance and dismissed a speech by then-Chinese President Jiang Zemin as "propaganda".


He often referred to himself as a 'dissident' working against the prevailing political consensus
Mark Bolland statement


In his statement, Mr Bolland, who is expected to give evidence for the Mail on Sunday, said: "He would readily embrace the political aspects of any contentious issue he was interested in...

"He carried it out in a very considered, thoughtful and researched way. He often referred to himself as a 'dissident' working against the prevailing political consensus."

He said Charles later did not attend a state banquet thrown by Chinese President Jiang Zemin "as a deliberate snub".

He added: "He did not approve of the Chinese regime, and is a great supporter of the Dalai Lama, whom he views as being oppressed by the Chinese."


But the prince's legal team, have denied he boycotted the banquet.

Mr Tomlinson and private secretary Sir Michael Peat have also denied the Mail on Sunday's assertion that the prince "campaigns on contentious issues".

Charles says the documents, including the 3,000-word journal he titled The Handover of Hong Kong - or The Great Chinese Takeaway, were unlawfully copied and wants the court to order their return.

Mr Tomlinson said Prince Charles had given copies of his private journals to family members, friends and advisers over the last 30 years in envelopes marked private and confidential.

"The claimant does not intend or wish to publish the journals although it is possible that after his death, edited extracts may be published," he said.

Comprehensive list

Mr Bolland said the journals were photocopied by a secretary and sent out to an array of the prince's acquaintances, including politicians, "media people", journalists, actors and friends, as a "bit of fun".

The former aide said he would be astonished if a comprehensive list of the recipients had been kept, but he thought 50 to 75 people would have received journal extracts, which he said were not treated in the same manner as confidential documents.

But Sir Michael said he had contacted all the recipients of the journal and been assured that copies had not been passed on to the Mail on Sunday.

Sir Michael said that whoever had passed the journals to the Mail on Sunday could not have received them legitimately.

"Past and present employees in the Prince of Wales's office have signed confidentiality undertakings. They could not legitimately have taken and distributed copies of the journals."

And he said no single journal had been sent to more than 46 people. Only one politician had ever received a journal and was a close friend of the prince, Sir Michael added.

Charles' legal team had originally intended to ask the court to keep Mr Bolland's witness statement secret.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/4734798.stm

Published: 2006/02/21 22:37:59 GMT

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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on February 22, 2006, 04:32:54 AM
This episode tells more about Mark Bolland than the Prince of Wales.   Politicians of all parties have admitted they welcome and appreciate the Prince's observations and comments.

Mr Bolland, on the other hand, is yet another courtier who has sold out.   He has failed to fulfil what ought to have been the role of a trusted courtier.   The media are fellow 'feeders'.

The expression which comes to mind is 'biting the hand which fed him', and fed him well for a number of years.

What has happened to loyalty?

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 22, 2006, 09:11:10 AM
While there is no doubt the Prince is, in many ways, far ahead of his time and quite wise in many respects (alternative medicines, architecture, organic foods), he is not going to come out of this latest situation looking very good, is he?  

These revelations show the Prince as a shrewd political and media manipulator, who wanders regularly across the line that is supposed to separate the Crown from politics.  This is dangerous indeed.

At best, it shows him as a poor leader - and his household as an expensive and ineffective machine: archaic, disorganized, and so deferential that it is not capable of doing the right things if those things contradict the Prince's views.

Questions will soon arise - if the heir apparent has so much influence in state affairs - and yet his household is allowed to be run like this - perhaps the government should step in to exercise some controls.  Charles may well be binding the hands of future Princes of Wales by his actions today.  I can already hear his critics in Parliament howling that the Duchy of Cornwall should be managed like the Crown Estate - handed over to the government in exchange for a more modest income from Parliament to heir apparent - to keep him in check.

Worse yet, these latest revelations may affect the Crown itself, with additional restrictions placed on the monarch by Parliament.  There are already calls to remove the Royal Perrogatives by making certain issues dependent upon Parliament.  Such calls are rooted in the desire to ensure that proper controls are in place.  If Charles is viewed as overstepping his role while heir apparent, his detractors can certainly use this as a rally point - image what he'll do as king!

The Prince's former employee is certainly disloyal and should be ashamed of himself, but I feel there is a bigger issue here.  It seems to me that the Prince has allowed his personal desires to rise above his principal reason for existing - his duty and obligation to the Crown.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on February 22, 2006, 01:43:41 PM
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While there is no doubt the Prince is, in many ways, far ahead of his time and quite wise in many respects (alternative medicines, architecture, organic foods), he is not going to come out of this latest situation looking very good, is he?  

These revelations show the Prince as a shrewd political and media manipulator, who wanders regularly across the line that is supposed to separate the Crown from politics.  This is dangerous indeed.

At best, it shows him as a poor leader - and his household as an expensive and ineffective machine: archaic, disorganized, and so deferential that it is not capable of doing the right things if those things contradict the Prince's views.

Questions will soon arise - if the heir apparent has so much influence in state affairs - and yet his household is allowed to be run like this - perhaps the government should step in to exercise some controls.  Charles may well be binding the hands of future Princes of Wales by his actions today.  I can already hear his critics in Parliament howling that the Duchy of Cornwall should be managed like the Crown Estate - handed over to the government in exchange for a more modest income from Parliament to heir apparent - to keep him in check.

Worse yet, these latest revelations may affect the Crown itself, with additional restrictions placed on the monarch by Parliament.  There are already calls to remove the Royal Perrogatives by making certain issues dependent upon Parliament.  Such calls are rooted in the desire to ensure that proper controls are in place.  If Charles is viewed as overstepping his role while heir apparent, his detractors can certainly use this as a rally point - image what he'll do as king!

The Prince's former employee is certainly disloyal and should be ashamed of himself, but I feel there is a bigger issue here.  It seems to me that the Prince has allowed his personal desires to rise above his principal reason for existing - his duty and obligation to the Crown.


I think you will find that the "fine-line" between polictical and non-political acts is very hard to define. Even deliberate non-political acts can be easily interpreted in a political way. So whatever the Prince says has a political side to it, whether he wants it or not. He is so much in the "spot-light" that even if he would be silent, his silence would "speak" politicaly in a certain way.

I actually have nothing against a strong royal political influence. They are important public figures and they should use that "visibility" to do good, within the limits of their defined place in the public life. It would be a big mistake to let politics exclusively in the hands of politicians. I'm sure TampaBay agrees with me on that! :)

It is important however for WHAT purpose and HOW they do it! I for one think that the Prince has certain convictions for which he is prepared to "fight" with what he has "available". He is a clever chap and he uses his influence in a subtle way, and I like that because I like his goals. The rules and laws regulating public life are necessary but have certain limitations. If royals should be out of direct political life [at least most of the time] they have the duty to see that long-term national values are not wasted, which means indirect but decisive political influence. This is their "job". And the Prince of Wales is very good at it [in my opinion].
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on February 22, 2006, 01:59:25 PM
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The Prince's former employee is certainly disloyal and should be ashamed of himself, but I feel there is a bigger issue here.  It seems to me that the Prince has allowed his personal desires to rise above his principal reason for existing - his duty and obligation to the Crown.


Sadly, to me, this has always been the case with Charles and it is doubtful if he will change this attitude even when he takes the throne.  

However, I do feel sorry for him over this deplorable situation.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on February 23, 2006, 10:31:45 AM
Blair says Charles' views helpful

Prince Charles is "perfectly entitled" to voice opinions or privately lobby ministers, the prime minister has said.
The prince's role is in the spotlight after a court heard he saw himself as a dissident against political consensus.

Critics say the Royal Family should not use its position to pursue its own views or get special access.

Tony Blair said the prince's views were not party political and had often been "helpful". They had not caused "any difficulties for ministers" he added.

Mr Blair said the extent of Prince Charles' interventions had been exaggerated.


I think he's perfectly entitled to express his views and personally I find no problem with it at all
Tony Blair
Prime minister  

"It is completely unreasonable not to expect that he has views or that he transmits them to government ministers but they are not ones that I have ever regarded as party political," he said.

"For example, he will raise issues sometimes to do with the rural community or issues to do with voluntary organisations in the UK, which I actually find perfectly helpful."

Mr Blair added: "I think that Prince Charles does an amazing job for the country.

"If you look at the Prince's Trust, it's probably one of the most successful voluntary sector organisations in the world, never mind in this country, and I think he's perfectly entitled to express his views and personally I find no problem with it at all."

Earlier, Constitutional Affairs Secretary Lord Falconer said it was "appropriate" for the prince to voice his views.

But he warned the prince not to "cross the line" into party politics - something he had so far avoided.

Legitimate?

The prince is suing the Mail on Sunday newspaper for breach of copyright and confidentiality for publishing parts of his diaries.

In extracts about the 1997 Hong Kong handover published in the Mail on Sunday in November 2005, the prince described Chinese officials as "appalling old waxworks".

But the case has raised questions about the prince's wider constitutional role.

His former private secretary, Mark Bolland, told the High Court: "He would readily embrace the political aspects of any contentious issue he was interested in...

"He carried it out in a very considered, thoughtful and researched way. He often referred to himself as a 'dissident' working against the prevailing political consensus."

Lord Falconer told BBC Radio 4's Today programme it was legitimate for the prince to use his position to tell ministers he thought they were wrong on certain issues or to voice opinions publicly.

"It is perfectly appropriate for somebody in the Prince of Wales' position to have views about the countryside, about climate change, about big environmental issues, about the armed forces.

"He is engaged in public life in a way that all of us are.

"There is obviously a line where it gets party political and it would be inappropriate for the monarch in those circumstances to cross that particular line but I do not think he does."

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Published: 2006/02/23 12:56:38 GMT

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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 23, 2006, 10:48:05 AM
As required, the Prime Minister comes out strongly in support of the PoW in an attempt to ease the controversy, adding sound bites from other politicians.

Wow - that sounded like something we'd get from the Bush White House!  Good show!

IMO, the real game won't be played out in press statements, but in the public's opinion and Parliament.  I still stand by my earlier comment - it's unfortunate that the PoW has created the game in the first place.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on February 23, 2006, 11:04:08 AM
Constitutional questions

By Alexis Akwagyiram
BBC News  



Prince Charles is taking legal action against the Mail on Sunday after it printed extracts from diaries he kept during a 1997 visit to Hong Kong.

BBC News considers the constitutional issues thrown up by the case.

The Prince of Wales' High Court attempt to stop further publication of extracts from his journals has prompted questions about what he can and cannot say, and how this may change if he becomes king.


During the case, Mark Bolland, the prince's private secretary between 1996 and 2002, said Charles saw himself as a "dissident" working against political opinion.



The documents include a 3,000-word journal referred to as The Handover of Hong Kong - or The Great Chinese Takeaway.

In extracts about the 1997 Hong Kong handover published in the Mail on Sunday in November 2005, the prince described Chinese officials as "appalling old waxworks".

In another reported extract from the documents, he described one ceremony as an "awful Soviet-style" performance and dismissed a speech by the then Chinese president as propaganda.



He is a man with a strong conscience and strong views and he expresses these views
William Shawcross  

But is the heir to the throne entitled to adopt such strong views?

BBC Royal Correspondent Peter Hunt believes there is no immediate problem with the role that the prince has "created himself".

But he said the "key danger" that the prince's officials feared was that Charles could be perceived as a "dissident king" if he were to become the monarch.

"It lies at the heart of Mark Bolland's witness statement. He [Mr Bolland] said he and other senior advisers tried to dampen down the prince's behaviour in making public his thoughts and views on a whole range of issues.

"The reason, he says, was that an essential part of preparing the prince to be king in future was that he didn't make so many controversial comments because it conflicts with the monarch's constitutional role. I think that is at the heart of the concern here."

'King in waiting'

He said the prince's aides would stress that Charles would alter his behaviour if he became king.

"The privilege of his current position, which he has carved out for himself, is that he can speak out and he is fully aware that he will have to shut up when he becomes king," said Mr Hunt.

William Shawcross, the Queen Mother's official biographer, believes the prince is justified in wanting to comment on certain issues.

"I think the prince has a very difficult position. He is a king in waiting," he said.

"He is a man with a strong conscience and strong views and he expresses these views.

"He sees his job as to express views that are not always politically popular. He doesn't take politically partisan stands on issues."


But not everyone agrees.

Tristram Hunt, an author and historian, agreed that by discussing issues such as GM crops and the environment, the prince was not dealing with traditional party politics, but he said "politics has changed".

Mr Hunt said such comments were "doing damage to the monarchy" because some of the prince's views now "fall within a party political framework" and had been "clumsy" interventions.

The historian cited the foot-and-mouth outbreak and the Human Rights Act as issues on which prince had become involved in a public debate.

He said Charles' habit in the past of putting out memos and briefing newspapers had "backfired" overall, even though the prince had "tapped into popular concerns" on issues such as climate change and GM crops.

Expressing his belief that the prince's observations were often ill-advised, Mr Hunt said: "It is a rather dangerous road to go down - it can come back to bite you.


We had a Prince of Wales not so long ago who thought the Nazis were a good idea - that is an extreme view, I know, but Prince Charles should not be using his position to influence political debate
Phil Hall
Former newspaper editor  

"If you are thinking about the longevity of the British monarchy you have to take a more considered view than the next splash on News 24."

And his sentiments were echoed by Phil Hall, a former editor of the News of the World.

He suggested that the prince's behaviour already verged on being unconstitutional and were ill-advised because, being the heir to the throne, Charles' views on certain issues will be widely known if he becomes king.

"I think he sees himself as above the law because the constitutional rules are very, very clear. A head of state is not to put his political views on the public stage, and this is what he is doing," said Mr Hall.

"We are a 100% democracy. This is a man who has been born into this privilege and he has this access. And I think he is using it against the rules.

"We had a Prince of Wales not so long ago who thought the Nazis were a good idea. That is an extreme view, I know, but Prince Charles should not be using his position to influence political debate."

Story from BBC NEWS:
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Published: 2006/02/22 12:49:41 GMT

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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on February 24, 2006, 07:56:02 AM
The same Prince of Wales who thought the Nazis were not a bad idea was never slow in voicing HIS political opinions.   At one point he came out on the side of the coal miners during an industrial strife.   This was why Edward VIII was widely regarded as 'one of the people'.

Once the Prince of Wales is King, more than likely he will adopt the same approach as his mother.   All her prime ministers since 1953 have regarded their weekly meeting with her as integral to their premiership.  (The present one probably less than all the previous).  While Charles is Prince of Wales, constitutionally, he is much freer to express his opinions.  

I must ask Chris what does he make of a person who copies extracts from another individual's diary?   Having done so while still in employment, it would seems Mr Bolland may have considered, while working for the Prince and receiving a substantial salary, the possibilities such extracts may accrue.   Its hard to believe he did it for altruistic reasons - like selling these extracts to the Press in order to keep the public informed.

Of the polls I have read, along with radio and television 'phone-ins', the vast majority of respondents have been in agreement with the Prince of Wales' opinions.

There is little point in opening a fresh thread for this subject, so I will use this thread to introduce to posters to an altogether different kind of royal courtier.

Miss Mabel Anderson was Prince Charles' nanny.   In fact she was nanny to all the Queen's children.   She is about to celebrate her 80th birthday.   The Queen and the Prince of Wales are hosting separate celebrations.   The Prince's party will be attended by all his siblings, their partners and their families.   Miss Anderson lives in a grace-and-favour house at Frogmore.   She is a regular visitor to Windsor Castle when the Queen is in residence.   These two women, from altogether different backgrounds, have shared the better part of 60 years firstly as employer and employee, as well as queen and subject and now as firm friends.  She is regarded by the family as close she could ever be, to being a member of the family.

Witness two extremes.   Which is the more admirable?

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 24, 2006, 08:44:42 AM
Oh, please don't misunderstand me Tsaria, I agree with you!  Mr. Bolland, as with any current or former royal employee who publically releases private information of the RF, is dispicable.  

That being said, nobody is denying that what Mr. Bolland said is the truth.  Let's face it, most of it is written in Charles' own hand!

So, my point is not whether Charles is right or wrong in his views, or is right to express them.  My point is simply that by expressing them - and in such an uncontrolled manner - Charles has ignited a public firestorm that could have wide-reaching implications.  He, and the Crown, would have been better served by a little self control.

Political image is like mixing cement. When it's wet, you can move it around and shape it, but at some point it hardens and there's almost nothing you can do to reshape it.
Walter F. Mondale, US Presidential Candidate

In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men the great difficulty lies in this: You must first enable the government to control the governed, and in the next place, oblige it to control itself.
Alexander Hamilton, US President

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on February 24, 2006, 11:29:45 AM
Thank you for clarifying that, Chris.

I would have to say the consensus opinion is that Prince Charles was just being... Prince Charles - a man who holds strong opinions and who uses his privileged position as a vehicle to express them.

However, the writ the Prince has raised in Court concerns the fact that personal thoughts and opinions he confided in his diary were published by a UK National Sunday newspaper without his consent.   Those extracts were copied from his diary without his consent.   Who can blame him?   The rest of us are assured of such privacy.   Why not him?

Even Chinese officialdom has brushed off the impressions 'painted' by the Prince during his Hong Kong visit.   He was echoing the feelings of most of the then residents of Hong Kong as well as a fair proportion of the UK population.  

As for the UK, the majority of the general public, in this instance, perceive the Prince as more sinned against than sinning.

tsaria    
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ilyala on February 25, 2006, 02:05:25 AM
i'm not very up to date with this scandal but here's what i understood from what you guys wrote: prince charles wrote something in his diary and someone copied it and published it in the press...

since when is having an opinion wrong? ok, if he had gone and done a public speech saying 'the chinese are idiots' that would have been wrong. but he didn't do that. he wrote in his DIARY, private as far as i know, a personal opinion. he didn't express it publicly. he wrote it in his diary.

i'm sorry, i just don't see what he did wrong.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on February 25, 2006, 02:25:28 AM
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i'm not very up to date with this scandal but here's what i understood from what you guys wrote: prince charles wrote something in his diary and someone copied it and published it in the press...

since when is having an opinion wrong? ok, if he had gone and done a public speech saying 'the chinese are idiots' that would have been wrong. but he didn't do that. he wrote in his DIARY, private as far as i know, a personal opinion. he didn't express it publicly. he wrote it in his diary.

i'm sorry, i just don't see what he did wrong.


I quite agree, Ilyala.  

Every person should be entitled to record their true opinions and feelings in private documentation, without having to censure themselves because some unscrupulous person puts the earning of a quick buck ahead of what's right and Prince Charles should be no exception.

Even the Queen's real opinion of some of the world's leaders and their policies would prove controversial if they were known also.

Poor Charles.  He is 100% not to blame for this - except for the mistake of hiring an immoral, disloyal thief like Bolland.

It's time the RF got tougher on these people.




Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on February 25, 2006, 04:40:35 AM
Grace - how right you are.   The Prince of Wales employed Mark Bolland as a 'spin doctor'.   By now I think the entire populace knows, employ a spin doctor and what do you get?   SPIN.   Truth flies out of the window.  

This is what Charles gets when he tries to be 'up with the times'.   So often he is accused of being anachronistic.   Heads he loses, tails he loses.

This is precisely why I used the Mabel Anderson story to illustrate how things have changed in the lives of this present royal family.  

The virtue of loyalty (it seems loyalty is indeed a 'virtue') is a bit thing on the ground these days.   Every time they employ somebody new or promote an existing member of staff, they must know by now that irrespective of the number of confidentiality clauses they write into a contract, these mean less than nothing, largely because of the reluctance of the Royal Family to sue.  

Which brings us back to the Prince of Wales who raised a court action against the Mail on Sunday to protect himself and his property and what he gets is a feeding-fest for the press.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: B5218 on February 25, 2006, 10:08:59 AM
I agree with ILYALA.

Additionally one wonders what we would have learned if Beatrice hadn't been "entrusted" with Q V's diaries.  ..  Or if Edward and Alexandra's diaries hadn't been destroyed  ...  It is my understanding that where the Queen's journals are concerned,  they cannot be released for something like 50 years years after her death.  Diaries made public at the choice of the writer is one thing but theft is theft.

After all, the man is pushing 60 and may not come into his career for another 20 years.   He has a creative mind, like the rest of us.  If he is constrained from speaking his mind on certain subjects, and chooses to commit controversial thoughts to paper, it is his right.

And if someone steals them, it is WRONG.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on March 01, 2006, 12:38:24 PM
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Britain Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall, front centre right and left, pose with Prince's Trust Ambassadors, as they arrive at the Theatre Royal Drury Lane in London to attend the Prince's Trust & RBS Celebrate Success Awards, Monday, Feb 20, 2006. The Ambassadors are, from front left, Margherita Taylor, Gary Lineker, Jade Jagger, Samantha Bond, Will Young, Pierce Brosnan, Joseph Fiennes, Duchess, Kate Adie, Colin Salmon, Prince Charles, unidentified member of band Journey South, David Oyelowo, unidentified member of band Journey South, Jenson Button, Lemar and June Sarpong. (AP Photo / Sang Tan, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 01, 2006, 12:39:23 PM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall meet staff and patients during a visit to the Shooting Star House Children's Hospice in London, Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
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Post by: palimpsest on March 01, 2006, 12:41:06 PM
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From left, Camilla the Duchess of Cornwall, Britain's Prince Charles, First Minister of Wales Rhodri Morgan, the Duke of Edinburgh and Britain's Queen Elizabeth II stand outside the new Welsh Assembly Building in Cardiff, Wales during a military fly-past Wednesday March 1, 2006. The Queen on Wednesday unveiled a plaque before visiting the Chamber where she made a speech to mark the opening of the new Assembly Building. (AP Photo/Matt Dunham, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 01, 2006, 12:42:12 PM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall await a fly-past to mark the official opening of the new Welsh Assembly Senedd building in Cardiff, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
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Post by: palimpsest on March 01, 2006, 12:43:23 PM
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Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Charles, Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall at the official opening of the new Welsh Assembly Senedd building in Cardiff, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Queen Elizabeth II; Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
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Post by: Grace on March 01, 2006, 06:02:19 PM
Great photos again, Palimpsest.  :)

I wonder if visits such as the one Charles and Camilla have just made to a children's hospice receive much publicity in the UK?  If not, then that is a pity.

It would be hard to imagine a more heart-rending place, I think.  :'(
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Post by: Alicky1872 on March 02, 2006, 04:38:46 AM
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Great photos again, Palimpsest.  :)

I wonder if visits such as the one Charles and Camilla have just made to a children's hospice receive much publicity in the UK?  If not, then that is a pity.

It would be hard to imagine a more heart-rending place, I think.  :'(


I for one certainly never heard about it.  :-/ Royal visits are usually never a topic of interest on the national news, usually only local stations and newspapers cover things like this, which is a shame in this case.
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Post by: grandduchessella on March 02, 2006, 09:37:36 AM
The Glittering Royal Events Message Board often covers various visits--even the less-than-glittering ones.

They don't have anything on the hospice but here's a link to the GREMB and their visit to Wales--including a big emerald (?) brooch for the Duchess.

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1141256953.html
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Post by: palimpsest on March 03, 2006, 08:18:33 AM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall attend a reception at the National Assembly for Wales to meet representatives of the resident organisations based at the Wales Millennium Centre in Cardiff, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
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Post by: palimpsest on March 03, 2006, 08:19:00 AM
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The Prince of Wales during a visit to the Royal Welsh College of Music and Drama in Cardiff, Wednesday March 1, 2006. (AP Photo/Barry Batchelor/WPA Rota)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 03, 2006, 08:19:34 AM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Patron of the Welsh National Opera, meets cast members after a Royal Gala performance of WagnerÕs opera The Flying Dutchman at the Wales Millennium Centre in Cardiff, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales
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Post by: palimpsest on March 03, 2006, 08:20:08 AM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Patron of the Welsh National Opera, meets cast members after a Royal Gala performance of WagnerÕs opera The Flying Dutchman at the Wales Millennium Centre in Cardiff, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales
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Post by: CHRISinUSA on March 06, 2006, 03:29:18 PM
Clearly I find myself on the unpopular side of this arguement.   :-/

Remember - we are not talking about private thoughts which the Prince wrote in his diary and then hid in his nightstand!!

We are talking about comments which the Prince himself ordered his staff to copy and distribute to a wide and varied group of receipients - friends, government ministers, diplomats, etc. etc.  

By doing so, CHARLES created this problem himself.  He might as well have published his thoughts himself!!!!  If he wanted his thoughts to be private, it is his obligation to exercise control over their distribution.

I still maintain that the Prince of Wales is entitled to his own opinions, and has the right to express those opinions.  I agree that many of his opinions are wise and good.  

But that's not the point.  It's simple really - Charles didn't consider the consequences of releasing his journals.  After all these years, he should have known better.
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Post by: ilyala on March 06, 2006, 04:01:29 PM
quotes from previous posts in this thread:

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The claim from Mark Bolland, a private secretary between 1996 and 2002, was contained in a statement released as the prince began a High Court case.  
 
He took action after the Mail on Sunday published comments allegedly made in his journal about China's regime.  
 
The prince's lawyers said he was entitled to keep personal documents confidential, like "anyone else".  


this is from an article. the prince thinks those documents were private. had he issued them and handed them to officials, he wouldn't have thought that, would he?

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Mr Tomlinson said Prince Charles had given copies of his private journals to family members, friends and advisers over the last 30 years in envelopes marked private and confidential.


that's a combination between 1. me giving my diary to my mother and my best friend and then my best friend going off and printing it. 2. the prime minister discussing confidential state matters with his secretary and the secretary going off and printing it.

i still fail to see what charles did wrong. he voiced an opinion PRIVATELY. he didn't shout out to the world, he didn't say it in an interview he said it PRIVATELY. how can you blame anyone for voicing an opinion? i'm just confused...
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Post by: ChristineM on March 06, 2006, 04:04:21 PM
Prince Charles did not 'release' his journals.   They were copied behind his back and without his consent, then the miscreant presented the documents to the press.

tsaria
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Post by: ilyala on March 06, 2006, 04:58:11 PM
that was exactly my point
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:52:52 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales, stands with Marsh Arabs at a reception at Clarence House, in London, Thursday March 2, 2006. They are visiting in a bid to highlight awareness for the plight of Marsh Arabs who live in the south of Iraq. (AP Photo / John Stillwell, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:53:13 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles speaks with women from the 'Bedford Sisters Forum' while visiting a community centre in the Queen's Park area of Bedford, England Monday March 6, 2006. Prince Charles visited the neighbourhood to see how different faith communities in Bedford are working together to engage children from all faiths. (AP Photo/Odd Andersen, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:53:35 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles speaks with women from the 'Bedford Sisters' forum while visiting a community center in the Queen's Park area of Bedford, England Monday March 6, 2006. Prince Charles visited the neighbourhood to see how different faith communities in Bedford are working together to engage children from all faiths. (AP Photo/Odd Andersen, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:53:57 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles plays cricket while visiting a playground in the Queen's Park area of Bedford, Monday March 6, 2006. Prince Charles visited the neighbourhood to see how different faith communities in Bedford are working together to engage children from all faiths. (AP Photo/Odd Andersen, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:54:21 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles plays cricket while visiting a playground in the Queen's Park area of Bedford, Monday March 6, 2006. Prince Charles visited the neighbourhood to see how different faith communities in Bedford are working together to engage children from all faiths. (AP Photo/Odd Andersen, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:54:40 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, right, plays cricket while visiting a playground in the Queen's Park area of Bedford, Monday March 6, 2006. Prince Charles visited the neighbourhood to see how different faith communities in Bedford are working together to engage children from all faiths. (AP Photo/Odd Andersen, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:55:01 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles plays cricket while visiting a playground in the Queen's Park area of Bedford, Monday March 6, 2006. Prince Charles visited the neighbourhood to see how different faith communities in Bedford are working together to engage children from all faiths. (AP Photo/Odd Andersen, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:55:22 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles laughs as he plays cricket while visiting a playground in the Queen's Park area of Bedford, Monday March 6, 2006. Prince Charles visited the neighbourhood to see how different faith communities in Bedford are working together to engage children from all faiths. (AP Photo/Richard Pohle, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:55:41 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles talks to a young boy as he plays cricket while visiting a playground in the Queen's Park area of Bedford, Monday March 6, 2006. Prince Charles visited the neighbourhood to see how different faith communities in Bedford are working together to engage children from all faiths. (AP Photo/Richard Pohle, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:56:10 PM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales greets well wishers while visiting the Queen's Park area of Bedford to see how different faith communities in Bedford are working together to engage children from all faiths in Bedford, Monday, March 6, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:56:36 PM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, President of Business in the Community and The PrinceÕs Trust, meets volunteers and community groups at the Dallow Community Centre in Luton, Monday, March 6, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:56:59 PM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, President of Business in the Community and The PrinceÕs Trust is given a carved watermelon as a gift by Siriphan Godden whilst meeting volunteers and community groups at the Dallow Community Centre in Luton, Monday, March 6, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:57:28 PM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Patron of the Amar Foundation, speaks to Al Sheikh Hadam Safam Mohan at a reception for Tribal Leaders from the marshes and delegates of the Amar International Charitable FoundationÕs Conference for Marsh Arabs at Clarence House in London, Thursday, March 2, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Al Sheikh Hadam Safam Mohan
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:58:15 PM
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Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall and Prince Charles, Prince of Wales Colonel-in-Chief, visit the 3rd Battalion Parachute Regiment prior to the BattalionÕs deployment to Afghanistan at Hyderabad Barracks in Colchester, Essex, Friday, March 3, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:58:37 PM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Colonel-in-Chief, visits the 3rd Battalion Parachute Regiment prior to the BattalionÕs deployment to Afghanistan at Hyderabad Barracks in Colchester, Essex, Friday, March 3, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales
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Post by: palimpsest on March 07, 2006, 04:59:07 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, right, greets Pakistan's Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz before their meeting at his official residence, Clarence House, in London, Tuesday, March 7, 2006. (AP Photo/Matt Dunham, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 13, 2006, 09:36:31 AM
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Squadron Leader Jayne Casebury of the Royal Air Force poses in London, Monday March 13, 2006, after the announcement that she has been appointed by Prince Charles as his first ever female equerry. The first new equerry to be appointed by Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall together, Casebury takes up her role in April, and will be at their side for official engagements and responsible for organising their public diary.(AP Photo/Chris Young-pa)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 13, 2006, 09:42:10 AM
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The Prince of Wales takes a look around a garden center before doing the official opening of Poundbury Garden Centre, Poundbury, Dorset, England. Friday March 10, 2006. The Prince was on a tour of Poundbury, the urban extension to Dorchester. (AP Photo/Kirsty Wigglesworth, Pool)

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Prince Charles with Andrew Hamilton the Development Director of Poundbury, the Prince' flagship village in Dorset. The World Jewish Relief charity arranged for around 100 leading Jewish property developers to meet the Prince at Brownsword Hall in Poundbury to hear about the village's attempts to build a sustainable community. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)

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The Prince of Wales walks around Poundbury, his flagship village in Dorset to show propety developers an alternative model for urban expansion. The World Jewish Relief charity arranged for around 100 leading Jewish property developers to meet the Prince at Brownsword Hall in Poundbury to hear about the village's attempts to build a sustainable community. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)

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Britain's Culture Secretary Tessa Jowell and The Prince of Wales walk through Poundbury, Dorset, England. Friday March 10, 2006. The minister was on a tour of the urban extension to Dorchester, where she was shown around by The Prince of Wales. (AP Photo/Kirsty Wigglesworth, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 13, 2006, 09:47:25 AM
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Britain Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall arrive at Westminster Abbey in London for the Commonwealth Day Observance ceremony, Monday, March 13, 2006. (AP Photo/Sang Tan)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 16, 2006, 09:12:05 AM
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Britain Prince of Wales, left, and Duchess of Cornwall, centre, greet Prince Albert II of Monaco as he arrives at Clarence House, the official residence of Prince of Wales in London, Thursday, March 9, 2006. (AP Photo/Sang Tan/WPA Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 16, 2006, 09:14:15 AM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall wear head scarves and garlands during a visit to the Gurdwara Sri Guru Singh Sabha Temple in Hounslow as part of Commonwealth Day celebrations in London, Monday, March 13, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
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Post by: palimpsest on March 16, 2006, 09:14:54 AM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall visit the Gurdwara Sri Guru Singh Sabha Temple in Hounslow to watch traditional Sikh swordsmanship as part of Commonwealth Day celebrations. The Duchess of Cornwall cannot bring herself to watch a blindfolded swordsman chop a water melon on a persons stomach, London, Monday, March 13, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
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Post by: palimpsest on March 16, 2006, 09:17:07 AM
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Britain's Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales, talks to Finlay Young, a Scottish man who intends to run 24 half marathons in different countries in 24 days, at the 2006 Commonwealth Day Reception at Marlborough House, London, Monday March 13, 2006. (AP Photo/John Stillwell, Pool)
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Post by: Grace on March 17, 2006, 03:24:43 PM
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:05:14 PM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales addresses members of the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) at the Centrepoint building to request more companies to pay attention to the threat of environmental climate change, London, Thursday, March 16, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:06:35 PM
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Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall and Prince Charles, Prince of Wales attend the final day of Cheltenham Races with Lord Sam Vestey, in Gloucestershire, Friday, March 17, 2006, (Tim Graham)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:07:34 PM
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Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall and Prince Charles, Prince of Wales watch the Gold Cup race on the final day of Cheltenham Races in Gloucestershire, Friday, March 17, 2006, (Tim Graham)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:08:21 PM
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Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall with her daughter Laura Parker-Bowles and Prince Charles, Prince of Wales watch the Gold Cup race on the final day of Cheltenham Races in Gloucestershire, Friday, March 17, 2006, (Tim Graham) *** Local Caption *** Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall; Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Laura Parker-Bowles
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:09:05 PM
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:10:58 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles jokes with children waving British flags during his arrival to the Al Azhar Park in Cairo, Monday, March 20, 2006. Al-Azhar University is giving Prince Charles an honorary doctorate in appreciation of his interest in Islam and his promotion of greater understanding of Islam in the West. The university in Cairo is part of the Al-Azhar complex, the foremost Islamic institution in the Sunni Muslim world. Several top lecturers at the university say the heir to the British throne does not merit such a high award. "All that Prince Charles did is to say that Islam is the most widespread religion in the world, and that is a reality, not a discovery by the prince," said Abdel Azim al-Antenna, a lecturer in Arabic literature. "That is not enough for him to receive such a reward from the prestigious Al-Azhar University.(AP Photo/Cris Bouroncle,pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:11:43 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, right, and his wife Camilla,the Duchess of Cornwal,l visit Al-Azhar park in Cairo,Egypt, Monday March 20, 2006. The couple are on a two-week tour of the Middle East and India. (AP Photo/Khaled el Fiqi, pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:13:47 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, right, and his wife Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, tour the Egyptian museum in Cairo, Egypt Monday, March 20, 2006. Charles and his wife Camilla arrived Monday afternoon for a five-day visit to Egypt, the first leg of a two-week tour that will also take them to Saudi Arabia and India. (AP Photo/Ben Curtis, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:14:29 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, center, looks on as his wife Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, left, is presented with a gift statue of Mearit Aton, the sister of ancient Egyptian pharaoh Tutankhamun, by museum director Dr Wafaa El-Sadik, right, at the end of a tour of the Egyptian museum in Cairo, Egypt Monday, March 20, 2006. Charles and his wife Camilla arrived Monday afternoon for a five-day visit to Egypt, the first leg of a two-week tour that will also take them to Saudi Arabia and India. (AP Photo/Ben Curtis, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:14:59 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles looks up at a statue as he tours the Egyptian museum in Cairo, Egypt Monday, March 20, 2006. Charles and his wife Camilla arrived Monday afternoon for a five-day visit to Egypt, the first leg of a two-week tour that will also take them to Saudi Arabia and India. (AP Photo/Ben Curtis, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:16:06 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, center, accompanied by his wife Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, left, and museum director Dr Wafaa El-Sadik, center-right, views a statue of ancient Egyptian King Chephren as they tour the Egyptian museum in Cairo, Egypt Monday, March 20, 2006. Charles and his wife Camilla arrived Monday afternoon for a five-day visit to Egypt, the first leg of a two-week tour that will also take them to Saudi Arabia and India. (AP Photo/Ben Curtis, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:16:59 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, seated, holds Muslim prayer beads as he puts on his shoes following a visit to the Al Azhar Mosque in Cairo, Tuesday, March 21, 2006 on the second day of a 5-day visit to Egypt. His wife, Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, at left talks to a British official. (AP Photo/Mike Nelson/pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:19:57 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles delivers a speech at Al-Azhar University, the foremost Islamic institution in the Sunni Muslim world, as the Grand Sheik of Al-Azhar and top Islamic cleric in Egypt, Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, right, listens in Cairo, Egypt, Tuesday, March 21, 2006. Charles was given an honorary doctorate by the university in recognition of his work to further the understanding of Islam in the West, and in his speech he criticized the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, and the "ghastly" violence that followed them, calling on all responsible people to respect each other's religions. (AP Photo/Ben Curtis, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 21, 2006, 04:22:41 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, front right, and his wife, Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, left leave following a visit to the Al Azhar Mosque in Cairo Tuesday, March 21, 2006 on the second day of a 5-day visit to Egypt. (AP Photo/Khaled el Fiqi,pool)
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Britain's Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall visit the Al-Hazar Mosque, one of the oldest mosques in Cairo, Egypt, Tuesday March 21, 2006, during the second day of a five-day visit to Egypt.(AP Photo/Ian Jones, pool)
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Britain's Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall visit the Al-Hazar Mosque, one of the oldest mosques in Cairo, Egypt, Tuesday March 21, 2006, during the second day of a five-day visit to Egypt.(AP Photo/Ian Jones, pool)
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Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak (R), Britain's Prince Charles (to his R) and Egyptian First Lady Suzan (to his R) and Camilla, Britain's Duchess of Cornwall, pose for a picture before a dinner at the Presidential palace in Cairo March 21, 2006. (AP Photo/Aladin Abdel Naby/Reuters, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 22, 2006, 01:25:31 PM
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Britain's Prince Charles, center, top, and his wife Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, third from left, at the Brooke Hospital for Animals in Cairo, Egypt, Wednesday, March 22, 2006. The Royal couple are on the third day of a five day visit to Egypt. (AP Photo/Aladin Abdel Naby/Pool)
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Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 23, 2006, 12:37:37 PM
I think Charlie has his finger on the pulse with a lot of issues, and it's a shame he's so often shrugged off as 'out of touch' and so on, because his support for organic farming and such is actually very important in creating a wider audience for these issues.  In his capacity as Prince of Wales, he is very restricted in what he can say and do, which must be incredibly frustrating for him, especially when a lot of what he says is reported out of context and twisted to make him look stupid or uninformed.

Charles is doing his best in a limited role to bring to the public attention the causes he is passionate about.  Unfortunately he doesn't have a pretty face and eyelashes to flutter to get everyone on his side like his former wife.

Rachel
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Post by: palimpsest on March 29, 2006, 08:35:20 AM
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Britain's Prince Charles and his wife Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, right, walk arm-in-arm as they climb a path to the Temple of the Oracle in the oasis town of Siwa in the western desert region of Egypt Thursday, March 23, 2006. (AP Photo/Ben Curtis, Pool)
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Britain's Prince Charles, center, and his wife Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, right, watch a traditional Egyptian dancer preform in front of the Old Fort in the oasis town of Siwa in the western desert region of Egypt, Thursday, March 23, 2006. (AP Photo/Mike Nelson/Pool)
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Britain's Prince Charles, right, pays a visit to Imam Muhammad bin Saud Islamic University, which is regarded by liberal Saudis as the heart of Saudi conservatism, where he gave a speech promoting religious tolerance, also attended by Saudi Minister of Higher Education Khalid Bin Muhammed Al-Anqari, left, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia Saturday, March 25, 2006. Because of the strict segregation of the sexes in Saudi Arabia, Charles and his wife Camilla had to carry out separate functions on Saturday. (AP Photo/Yousef Al-Doubisi)
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Post by: palimpsest on March 29, 2006, 08:40:27 AM
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Britain's Prince Charles watches, as his wife the Duchess of Cornwall lays flowers at a grave during a visit to the Commonwealth War Graves Cemetery in El Alamein, Egypt, Friday March 24, 2006. The Duchess of Cornwall paid tribute today to her father's comrades who died in front of him in the aftermath of the Battle of El Alamein. Major Bruce Shand, now 89, survived the attack in November 1942, but saw his wireless operator Sergeant Charles Francis and driver Corporal Edward Plant who were travelling in the same vehicle as him, perish.At the cemetery in El Alamein Camilla gently placed a bunch of roses on the two soldiers' grey-white marble tombstones, leaving a handwritten message from her frail father. (AP Photo/Michael Dunlea, pool)
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Britain's Prince of Wales tries his hand using a hammer and chisel, much to the delight of students, during his visit to Riyadh Technical College, in Saudi Arabia, Sunday, March 26, 2006. (AP Photo / Arthur Edwards, Pool)
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Britain's Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall during a meeting with England cricketers in New Delhi, India, Sunday, March 26, 2006. Prince Charles arrived in India on Sunday with his wife Camilla for a six-day tour that will include meetings with farmers and artisans and visits to two ancient forts. (AP Photo/Aman Sharma)
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Britain's Prince Charles, wearing garlands, greets villagers at Bhattmajra village, in the northern Indian state of Punjab, Monday, March 27, 2006. Prince Charles is in India with his wife Camilla for a six-day tour that will include meetings with farmers and artisans and visits to two ancient forts. (AP Photo)
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Traditional Bhangra dancers welcome Britain's Prince Charles, right, at Bhattmajra village, in the northern Indian state of Punjab, Monday, March 27, 2006. Prince Charles is in India with his wife Camilla for a six-day tour that will include meetings with farmers and artisans and visits to two ancient forts. (AP Photo)
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Britain's Prince Charles, second right, and Punjab state chief minister Amarinder Singh, second left, walk through Bhattmajra village, in the northern Indian state of Punjab, Monday, March 27, 2006. Prince Charles is in India with his wife Camilla for a six-day tour that will include meetings with farmers and artisans and visits to two ancient forts. (AP Photo)
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Britain's Prince Charles, in a grey suit, shakes hands with a villager during his visit to Bhattmajra village, in the northern Indian state of Punjab, Monday, March 27, 2006. Prince Charles is in India with his wife Camilla for a six-day tour that will include meetings with farmers and artisans and visits to two ancient forts. (AP Photo)
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Britain's Prince Charles, second right, his wife Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, right, meet Punjab state chief minister Amarinder Singh, left, and his wife Parmeet Kaur during a function at Yadavindra Public School in Patiala, in the northern Indian state of Punjab, Monday, March 27, 2006. Prince Charles is in India with his wife Camilla for a six-day tour that will include meetings with farmers and artisans and visits to two ancient forts. (AP Photo)
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Britain's Prince Charles, left, and wife, Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall visit a Sikh Temple in Anandpur Sahib, northern India, Tuesday March 28, 2006. The royal couple are on a tour of India. (AP Photo/John Stillwell, PA)
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Britain's Prince Charles, left seated, and his wife Camilla, center, watch a Sikh child warrior exhibit martial skills at Anandpur Sahib, in the northern Indian state of Punjab, Tuesday, March 28, 2006. Covering their heads, Prince Charles and his wife Camilla offered prayers at the second-holiest Sikh temple Tuesday, the second day of their visit to India. (AP Photo)
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Britain's Prince Charles, second right, and his wife Camilla, second left, visit a Sikh temple at Anandpur Sahib, in the northern Indian state of Punjab, Tuesday, March 28, 2006. Covering their heads, Prince Charles and his wife Camilla offered prayers at the second-holiest Sikh temple Tuesday, the second day of their visit to India. (AP Photo)
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Britain's Prince Charles, second right, and his wife Camilla, second left, visit a Sikh temple at Anandpur Sahib, in the northern Indian state of Punjab, Tuesday, March 28, 2006. Covering their heads, Prince Charles and his wife Camilla offered prayers at the second-holiest Sikh temple Tuesday, the second day of their visit to India. (AP Photo)
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Britain's Prince Charles, left, and his wife Camilla Duchess of Cornwall, center, receives a traditional welcome at Umaid Palace in Jodhpur, India, Tuesday, March 28, 2006. Prince Charles is in India with his wife Camilla for a six-day tour that will include meetings with farmers and artisans and visits to two ancient forts. (AP Photo)
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U.S. actress and singer Barbra Streisand offers a cup of coffee to Prince Charles of Great Britain as they chat on a set at Warner Bros. studio in Los Angeles, CA, March. 19, 1974. The Prince is visiting southern California while his ship is docked in San Diego. (AP Photo/DFS)
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21st International Congress of Byzantine Studies
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Post by: palimpsest on March 31, 2006, 11:56:47 AM

FRIENDS OF MOUNT ATHOS
http://www.athosfriends.org/


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PRINCE CHARLES, PATRON OF THE SAINT CATHERINE FOUNDATION, BEING GIVEN A TOUR OF ST CATHERINES MONASTERY IN THE SINAI DESERT DURING HIS OFFICIAL VISIT TO EGYPT. THE FOUNDATION HAS BEEN CREATED TO WORK WITH THE MONASTERY'S 20 GREEK ORTHODOX MONKS TO CONSERVE PRICELESS MANUSCRIPTS AND ICONS OVER 1500 YEARS OLD. (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library) 1995
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Post by: Grand Duchess Kimbo on March 31, 2006, 10:10:18 PM
I'm sorry Eddieboy, but I disagree with your view on religion. It kinda reminds me of Marx and Engels. :-[

I believe it is what makes us unique.  :)
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Post by: Eddie_uk on April 01, 2006, 05:16:00 AM
Thank you honey! you are entitled to disagree of course!!! We are all unique and are all entitled to our opinions!!
 :-*
 :) :)
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Post by: palimpsest on April 12, 2006, 10:49:26 AM
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall attend the Sovereign's Parade at Sandhurst Military Academy to watch the passing-out of commissioned officer Second Lieutenant Harry Wales of the Blues and Royals, in Surrey, Wednesday, April 12, 2006, (Tim Graham) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
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Post by: AnnieB on April 13, 2006, 07:10:57 AM
I think that as the Prince of Wales grows older he resembles more and more his great grandmother Victoria of Hesse.
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Britain's Prince Charles and his wife Camilla Duchess of Cornwall, known in Scotland as the Duke and Duchess of Rothesay, wear a traditional tartan as they arrive at Crathie Church, Scotland to attend a Sunday church service on their first wedding anniversary Sunday April 9, 2006. (AP Photo/Andrew Milligan/PA)

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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall visit Muir of Dinnet National Nature Reserve on Royal Deeside during their private stay at nearby Birkhall on the Balmoral Estate in Scotland, Thursday, April 20, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Camilla, Duchess of Cornwalltobucket
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall visit Muir of Dinnet National Nature Reserve on Royal Deeside during their private stay at nearby Birkhall on the Balmoral Estate in Scotland, Thursday, April 20, 2006, (Tim Graham Picture Library) *** Local Caption *** Prince Charles, Prince of Wales; Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
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Britain's Prince Charles wearing protective glasses tries stone masonery during a visit to the Cathedral workshops at Lincoln Cathedral in Lincoln England Wenesday May 3, 2006. The Prince is visiting the area as president of The Prince's Foundation for the Built Environment, the charity responsible for the redevelopment masterplan which aims to turn Lincoln into a modern, sustainable city. (AP Photo/ Rui Vieira/Pool) Wednesday May 3 2006. PA photo: Rui Vieira
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Britiain's Queen Elizabeth II stands with the Prince Charles, who is Royal Colonel of the Welsh Guards, during the ceremony of presenting new colours to the 1st Battalion Welsh Guards in a ceremony watch by 2,000 invited guests at Windsor Castle, Windsor England Thursday May 4, 2006. (AP Photo/Tim Ockenden/Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on May 10, 2006, 10:44:20 AM
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Britain's Prince of Wales Prince Charles looks at the key to the door as he officially opens Kew Palace in London, Friday May 5, 2006. The newly-restored former royal residence of King George III, left Prince Charles praising the craftsmen, specialist workers and historians who have worked on the multi-million pound project over the last 10 years. (AP Photo / David Parker, Pool)
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Post by: palimpsest on May 10, 2006, 10:45:59 AM
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Britain's Prince Charles, right, and his wife Camilla the Dutchess of Cornwall arrive at St Cyriac's Church, in Lacock, England, for the wedding of Laura Parker Bowles and Harry Lopes, Saturday May 6, 2006. Laura Parker Bowles, 26, the daughter of Camilla, is to marry the former Calvin Klein and Vogue model Harry Lopes who now works in accountancy. (AP Photo/Matt Dunham)
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The Prince of Wales has a plater on his thumb at the official opening of Kew Palace in London Friday May 5, 2006. The newly-restored royal residence of George III left Charles praising the craftsmen, specialist workers and historians who worked on the multi-million pound project over the last 10 years. (AP Photo/David Parker/Daily Mail, Pool)
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The Prince of Wales delivers a speech whilst officially opening Kew Palace in London Friday May 5, 2006. The newly-restored royal residence of George III left Charles praising the craftsmen, specialist workers and historians who worked on the multi-million pound project over the last 10 years. (AP Photo/Toby Melville/Reuters, Pool)
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Kew Palace in London which was opened by the Prince of Wales Friday May 5, 2006. The newly-restored royal residence of George III left Charles praising the craftsmen, specialist workers and historians who worked on the multi-million pound project over the last 10 years. (AP Photo/David Parker/Daily Mail, Pool)
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The Prince of Wales smiles as he arrives to officially open Kew Palace in London on Friday May 5, 2006. The newly-restored royal residence of George III left Charles praising the craftsmen, specialist workers and historians who worked on the multi-million pound project over the last 10 years. (AP Photo/Toby Melville/ Reuters, Pool)
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Post by: Kimberly on May 10, 2006, 11:10:26 AM
Lovely photos and I think Camilla looks absolutely wonderful in that outfit.
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Post by: palimpsest on May 14, 2006, 12:02:18 PM
news from 10 May 2006

Prince Charles to visit Greek monastic community

Prince Charles is due to visit the monastic community of Mount Athos in
Greece for three days this week, authorities said today.

Charles has made several annual trips to the all-male Orthodox
community, which has 20 monasteries.

Charles and Prince Philip are members of the Friends of Mount Athos, a
group that supports the self-governing community.

Mount Athos is about 70 miles from the northern Greek city of
Thessaloniki.

It has been an autonomous monastic state since Byzantine times.


http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/story.asp?
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Post by: Grace on May 14, 2006, 04:36:03 PM
"Several annual trips" is quite a commitment from Charles.  No doubt the support of the monk's self-sufficient and devout lifestyle, not to mention his patronage of the St. Catherine Foundation to preserve priceless documents and manuscripts is worthy, but it does sound rather a lot from a British Prince, I am tending to think?  Still, I suppose accepting patronage of any organisation/charity requires considerable commitment.   :-/
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Post by: grandduchessella on May 14, 2006, 06:25:11 PM
Yes, it does and I'm sure there's no shortage of groups desirous of his patronage.

Still, while he's a British prince, his father was a Greek one and maybe Charles is exploring that part of his ancestry? (Please no nitpicking about whether Philip is really Greek  ;) )
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Post by: palimpsest on May 15, 2006, 01:12:44 AM
For me it is quite obvious why the Prince has a serious interest in Byzantium and its legacy in the Orthodox Church.

All European [Christian] Royalty can trace its origin and model in Constantine the Great as the first Emperor to have mixed earthly power with Christianity. The successful  Empire that followed Constantine in the East, Byzantium, has had a far larger influence on European history than it is commonly known. It would be sufficient to say that European Royalty today can be seen as one of the still working "Byzantine" characteristics of Europe.
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Post by: Grace on May 15, 2006, 02:00:32 AM
Yes, I see.  :)

It just surprises me that Charles would be patron of an organisation in Greece and that he spends so much time with the Mount Athos monks, that's all.

As GDE has said, there would no shortage of groups desirous of his patronage or indeed that of any member of the royal family.

I think Charles should restrict his patronage of organisations/charities to those within Britain and the Commonwealth.  His interest in Byzantium and the preservation of Byzantine history is fine and no doubt deserving of attention but I think it should be a private interest and shouldn't take too much of his time when there are many causes closer to home which could do with his input.  I wonder if anyone agrees with me?  
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Post by: palimpsest on May 15, 2006, 12:56:30 PM
Actually both foundations [Friends of Mount Athos and St. Catherine Foundation] are British.  And I suspect the Prince finds the subject not only historically relevant but also very important for the future, for some reason. That reason might not be very clear for someone who knows little about the subject but very clear for someone who does. Think of only the organic farming he is advocating. When he started to talk about it almost nobody find the subject relevant but today it is a different matter. Every shop now has an organic section. Maybe he sees something similar will happen with the legacy of Byzantium. So even if you are right that he should focus on the UK you might be wrong that be isn't doing it already because something [that seems so "remote"] like Byzantium is involved.
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Post by: palimpsest on May 16, 2006, 09:55:29 AM
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His Royal Highness, The Prince of Wales meets with the Chief Constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland Hugh Orde during a Garden Party at Hillsborough, Northern Ireland, Monday, May, 15, 2006. (AP Photo/Peter Morrison)
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Post by: palimpsest on May 16, 2006, 09:59:48 AM
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The Duchess of Cornwall arrives at Hillsborough Castle, Northern Ireland, Monday, May, 15, 2006. The Duchess arrived with the Prince of Wales for a garden Party. (AP Photo/Peter Morrison)
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Post by: palimpsest on May 16, 2006, 10:06:59 AM
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The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall arrive at Fivemiletown Creamery in County Tyrone, Northern Ireland, Tuesday, May, 16, 2006. The Duchess and the Prince of Wales were visiting Northern Ireland on the second day of their visit. (AP Photo / Peter Morrison)
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Post by: Martyn on May 17, 2006, 07:54:30 AM
I can see both sides of this argument but would venture to suggest that the real danger is that the Prince may spread his patronage and interest too thinly for real effect on too many causes.

No doubt that the Mt Athos project is worthy of his support, but no denying also that there are many equally worthy and desirous who go without.

By the way, did anyone see the recent TV programme abpout Charles that was aired on UK TV the other night?  I was a little torn between curiosity as to its contents and not wishing to subscribe to spin, and thus avoided it in the end.  Anyone see it?  Any good?
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Post by: palimpsest on May 17, 2006, 09:51:00 AM
Good to have you back Martyn! :) :) :)

What TV program? Is it available in the US?
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Post by: palimpsest on May 17, 2006, 10:06:52 AM
is this the one?

http://www.itv.com/news/index_1545875.html

I can't see it from here. :-/
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Post by: Martyn on May 17, 2006, 10:38:25 AM
Yes, that is the one palimpsest.  I'm not really a fan of the interviewer 'Trevor Mcdonut', as he is affectionately known sometimes over here.......

And thank you for the kind welcome back - very much appreciated.
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Post by: palimpsest on May 20, 2006, 02:12:10 AM
The interview will air in the US this Sunday, 7pm, on NBC's "Dateline":

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12873933/
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Post by: Lucien on May 22, 2006, 08:39:16 AM
TRH at the concert of the Prince's Trust last saturday may 20th,the Tower of London:
Courtesy Marianne!
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Post by: TampaBay on May 22, 2006, 07:26:02 PM
I caught the interview on Sunday.  You may I all say I am crazy (and say what you wish to say) but IMO Prince Harry came out looking the best of the three Princes.  

It seemed to me that Willaim has become more reserved like his father but Harry seemed to be bubble with personality like his mother!

I hope I make someone mad and start a good "intelligent" debate.  We need one around here and it is about time!

Let the debate begin!

Glad to see you back Martyn.  ;) ;) ;)

TampaBay

[size=14]FOOTNOTE:  I demand  very sternly request that the thread 'Constitutuional Monarchy as a Political System" be re-opened ASAP.  I have some comments from a new source I would like to post.[/size]  ;D ;D ;D

Please "chime in" if anyone else would also like to see this thread re-opened for posting!!!!
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Post by: palimpsest on May 23, 2006, 08:46:28 AM
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I caught the interview on Sunday.  You may I all say I am crazy (and say what you wish to say) but IMO Prince Harry came out looking the best of the three Princes.  

It seemed to me that Willaim has become more reserved like his father but Harry seemed to be bubble with personality like his mother!

I hope I make someone mad and start a good "intelligent" debate.  We need one around here and it is about time!

Let the debate begin!

Glad to see you back Martyn.  ;) ;) ;)

TampaBay

[size=14]FOOTNOTE:  I demand  very sternly request that the thread 'Constitutuional Monarchy as a Political System" be re-opened ASAP.  I have some comments from a new source I would like to post.[/size]  ;D ;D ;D

Please "chime in" if anyone else would also like to see this thread re-opened for posting!!!!

 ;D ;D ;D hahaha
I'm beginning to like that the 'Constitutuional Monarchy as a Political System" is gone.
Please don't open it! ;D ;D ;D
I want no debate! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on May 23, 2006, 09:48:26 AM
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The Prince of Wales (right) chats with actors Patrick Stewart and Harriet Walter at the Royal Shakespeare Company's gala fund raising dinner for their 'Complete Works Festival', in London Wednesday, May 17, 2006. Stewart is currently appearing as doomed lover Antony in Antony and Cleopatra. The gala event will celebrate and aim to raise money for the RSC's Complete Works Festival. (AP Photo/Stefan Rousseau/PA, Pool)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on May 23, 2006, 09:49:02 AM
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The Prince of Wales chats with actor Leslie Philips at the Royal Shakespeare Company's gala fund raising dinner for their 'Complete Works Festival', in London Wednesday, May 17, 2006. The gala event will celebrate and aim to raise money for the RSC's Complete Works Festival. (AP Photo/Stefan Rousseau/PA, Pool)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on May 23, 2006, 09:51:27 AM
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The Prince of Wales chats with actors Sinead Cusack and David Oyelowo (c) at the Royal Shakespeare Company's gala fund raising dinner for their 'Complete Works Festival', in London Wednesday, May 17, 2006. Patrick Stewart is currently appearing as doomed lover Antony in Antony and Cleopatra. The gala event will celebrate and aim to raise money for the RSC's Complete Works Festival. (AP Photo/Stefan Rousseau/PA, Pool)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on May 23, 2006, 09:52:18 AM
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Britain's Prince Charles, right, shares a joke with Ozzy Osbourne, left, and British Pop Idol contestant Chico, center, at a reception at Clarence House in London, Thursday, May 18, 2006 for those lending their support to Saturday's star-studded concert celebrating the 30th birthday of the Prince's Trust charity. (AP Photo/Cathal McNaughton,Pool)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on May 23, 2006, 09:54:39 AM
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Britain's Prince Charles, left, speaks on stage alongside his wife Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, and Princes, William and Harry, at the Princes Trust 30th Birthday concert at the Tower of London in London Saturday, May 20, 2006. The Prince's Trust charity was formed 30 years ago by Britain's Prince Charles to aid schemes to help young people. (AP Photo/Chris Radburn, Pool)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on May 23, 2006, 09:55:06 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lord Strathclyde on May 23, 2006, 06:30:42 PM
Prince Charles advocates alternative medicine

Link to article (http://theinternetforum.co.uk/node/1012)

I agree with the prince. 8-)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on May 23, 2006, 08:15:58 PM
I too agree.  
Homeopathy has done me a great deal of good!
But for some scientists this is irrelevant. :(



Times Online May 23, 2006


Prince defiant over alternative medicine after doctors' attack
By Jenny Booth and Mark Henderson
 
 
 
  
Doctors have criticised the Prince's initiatives on complementary medicine, but he stuck to his guns in a speech today
  
The Prince of Wales today issued an impassioned plea for alternative medicine to be given a bigger place in the mainstream, hours after a group of Britain's leading doctors issued their own appeal for the NHS to to stop paying for complementary therapies.

The Prince addressed the annual meeting of the World Health Organisation in Geneva, arguing that an integrated, holistic approach was the best way of tackling chronic disease, rather than a "dangerously fragmented" approach that relied just on what he called the bio-physical treatment model.

 
 
While not detracting from modern medicine, which he said had served humanity well, he criticised excessive reliance on it for upsetting natural harmony.

"I believe there is now a desperately urgent need to redress the fragile but vital balance between man and nature, through a more integrated approach where the best of the ancient is blended with the best of the modern, and I am convinced this is particularly vital when it comes to the collective health of people in all our countries," he told the WHO delegates from 192 nations.

But in a direct challenge to the Prince's campaign, 13 British doctors and scientists issued an open letter to NHS trusts that said public funding of "unproven or disproved treatments" such as homoeopathy and reflexology were unacceptable while huge deficits are forcing trusts to sack nurses and limit access to life-saving drugs.

The scientists, who include some of the most eminent names in British medicine, have written to the chief executives of all 476 acute and primary care trusts to demand that only evidence-based therapies are provided free to patients.

The letter criticises two of the Prince's flagship initiatives on complementary medicine: a government-funded patient guide prepared by his Foundation for Integrated Medicine, and the Smallwood report last year, which he commissioned to make a financial case for increasing NHS provision.

Both documents, it is claimed, give misleading information about scientific support for therapies such as homoeopathy, described as "an implausible treatment for which over a dozen systematic reviews have failed to produce convincing evidence of effectiveness".

The letter was organised by Michael Baum, Emeritus Professor of Surgery at University College London, and other supporters include six Fellows of the Royal Society, Britain’s national academy of science, and Professor Edzard Ernst, of the Peninsula Medical School in Exeter, who holds the UK’s first chair in complementary medicine.

The signatories include Sir James Black, who won the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 1988, and Sir Keith Peters, president of the Academy of Medical Science, which represents Britain’s leading clinical researchers.

The Prince did not fuel the row by referring to the letter in his speech to the WHO this afternoon. He did however stick to his guns, saying that increasing numbers of alternative therapies - including acupuncture for osteo-arthritis of the knee, the use of St John's Wort for mild depression - were being shown in clinical trials to have therapeutic effects.

And he singled out his Foundation for Integrated Medicine for praise, saying that for the last 11 years it had been the leading champion of the integrated approach to health treatment. This involved harnessing both modern and traditional therapies, looking at social and environmental influences, and empowering the patient by involving him in his own treatment, he said.

"I say that a mix of modern and traditional remedies that emphasises the participation of the patient can create a powerful healing force," said the Prince.

"It seems to be that in our ceaseless rush to modernise, many tried and tested methods which have shown themselves to be effective have been cast aside as old-fashioned or irrelevant to today's needs."
 

[see the next post]
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on May 23, 2006, 08:17:44 PM
[cont. ]



Professor Baum, a cancer specialist, said that he had organised the letter because of his "utter despair" at growing NHS acceptance of alternative treatments while drugs of proven effectiveness are being withheld.

"At a time when we are struggling to gain access for our patients to Herceptin, which is absolutely proven to extend survival in breast cancer, I find it appalling that the NHS should be funding a therapy like homoeopathy that is utterly bogus," he said.

He said that he was happy for the NHS to offer the treatments once research has proven them effective, such as acupuncture for pain relief, but that very few had reached the required standards. "If people want to spend their own money on it, fine, but it shouldn’t be NHS money."

 
 
The Department of Health does not keep figures on the total NHS spending on alternative medicine, but Britain’s total market is estimated at £1.6 billion.

The doctors' dismissal of homeopathy has drawn a heated response from practitioners who say anecdotal evidence from thousands of relieved patients cannot be ignored.

Professor George Lewith, from the Centre for Complementary and Integrated Medicine, said: "People are happy to pay for complementary medicines because it makes them feel better, even though they are only 10 per cent more effective than placebo. Maybe the 13 doctors have forgotten that the conventional treatments for asthma, depression and irritable bowel are also only about 10 per cent better than placebo."

But Dr Peter Canter, a research fellow in complementary medicine at the Peninsula Medical School in Exeter, called for more trialling of therapies, and warned that some treatments, including homeopathy, had already been proved ineffective over years of testing. He suggested that patients ignore the anecdotes and look for "sound scientific evidence" for and against treatments.

He said: "It’s all very well reading anecdotes from 10 happy homeopathy patients. You don’t hear from the 100 others who received absolutely no benefit."

Britons currently spend £130 million a year on complementary treatments, such as acupuncture, herbalism and reflexology.
 
 
  
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on May 30, 2006, 07:41:32 AM
from:
http://www.mihaieminescutrust.org/content/nd_standard.asp?n=156



The Mihai Eminescu Trust

May 8th - 11th

 

Royal Patron's visit to Viscri

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HRH The Prince of Wales paid a private visit to the Saxon Villages from  9th –11th May 2006, accompanied by our Romanian and London directors Caroline Fernolend and Luminta Holban. He spent two nights in Viscri and saw much of the Trust’s restoration work, noting the extraordinary change in the village since his last visit four years ago.


Walking with the Trust’s biologist Tibi Hartel in the hills near Viscri, the Prince stopped first to watch progress on the construction of a wood-fired kiln on the edge of the village.  From earliest times, kilns similar in design used to exist in each community, providing handmade  bricks and tiles for the  Saxon householders. The revival of this ancient rural technology – overseen by British restoration expert Colin Richards – is funded by the Trust’s small business scheme and will be managed by a Viscri family. Once the reliability of the product is established, the kiln will supply a range of Transylvanian builders and architects. The Prince also walked in the hills around Malancrav village, visiting the Trust’s organic apple orchard, its juice-bottling factory and the adjacent Apafi manor house which the Trust is restoring.



On the last morning, the Prince visited the Homorod Stud Farm, where he was received by the owner, Dr. Sebastian Koga, veterinarian Dr. Mihai Buse, and the local riders.  In the course of a rainy morning HRH visited the historic buildings of the farm and the 52 horses, 30 of which had been rescued from starvation in the early winter months of 2005. Inside the XVIII century stables, he expressed interest in the Lipizzaner horse and was particularly taken with a 15 year old grey stallion, Siglavy-Capriola 21, which he described as “the type of majestic horse which the Princes of Europe were portrayed riding in the oil paintings of past centuries.” He was also intrigued by the beautiful colours of the grey Maestoso and black Neapolitano stallions, their noble features, and the high carriage of their head. He praised Sebastian Koga’s efforts and the excellent conditions in which the horses are kept.
 
HRH inquired about the several bay horses stabled at Homorod and owned by the Trust. Sebastian Koga recounted his entry into the Romanian horse world in 2003 at the initiative of Luke Douglas-Home, who encouraged him to start a stud farm  by providing 6 horses, a Land Rover and some tack.

The Prince praised the stables historic architecture and encouraged Sebastian Koga to use only traditional materials in the renovation of the buildings, like the trust-sponsored handmade tiles.

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Throughout the visit the Prince’s deep understanding of the holistic regenerative power of the Trust’s Whole Village Project communicated itself to all who met him and proved a great inspiration to our outstanding Romanian team.



http://www.mihaieminescutrust.org/content/nd_standard.asp?n=114

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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Parisian on July 27, 2006, 09:30:07 PM
Hello! Tom Gallagher, a well-reputed British expert in Romanian politics and history (http://www.rri.ro/index.php?lmb=4&art=14003), author of a number of articles on Romania for the Encyclopaedia Britannica (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=tom+gallagher+romania+site%3Abritannica.com), and advocate for the restoration of Monarchy in Romania (http://www.hotnews.ro/articol_23439-A-fi-conservator-in-Romania.-Ce-trebuie-sa-faci-de-Tom-Gallagher.htm), wrote a recent editorial for the monarchist daily Romania Libera (http://www.romanialibera.ro/editie/index.php?url=articol&tabel=z30062006&idx=17), in which he affirmed that HRH Prince Charles of Wales was offered the Romanian Crown, presumably by Romanian monarchists disappointed with Princess Margarita's choice of a husband, offer turned down by the Prince. Here's a translation of the pertinent fragment from Gallagher's editorial: "And if, utopically speaking, His Royal Highness had decided to give up waiting for his mother to pass away, had learned Romanian, and had accepted the invitation to become the head of a state he had fallen in love with - see his repeated visits and gestures of protection extended to a patrimony oftentimes endangered - perhaps he would have ended up proving himself to be the best sovereign Romania had since Carol I."
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Guinastasia on July 29, 2006, 09:39:06 PM
Well, hey, Prince Harry's not doing anything, is he? 
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Taren on July 30, 2006, 02:25:56 AM
Well, hey, Prince Harry's not doing anything, is he? 

Hahaha my vote is still for Andrew and Sarah. It would be like some campy soap opera, where a boardroom coup makes the villainous upstart the head of the company. Even though we all know nothing of the sort is going to happen, it's still fun to dream.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on July 30, 2006, 07:04:46 AM
What happened to all the other posts on this thread?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 30, 2006, 08:57:49 AM
I don't know...One day I open the thread and quite a few things are missing...like the clock turn backwards. Thought it was only me who think that.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 30, 2006, 07:04:38 PM
Yes...even I lost some mail... :(
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2006, 10:53:30 PM
well Charles ould be very intertested in Romania, its religion and culture. However it will be another thing for him to uproot himself there and to be king ? a very far-fetched idea. I don't think Harry will be in Romania anytime soon. He is yet to show any interest in that country... ???
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Guinastasia on September 25, 2006, 02:21:27 PM
This was the closest I could find to a Prince Charles thread.  There's a story out now that supposedly every morning he is brought seven hardboiled eggs, and he tests each for desired softness/hardness or whatever, and then chooses only one.  The rest are discarded.

Anyone else hear this ridiculous tale?  I don't buy it-word is that the Windsors are notoriously frugal when it comes to household matters. 

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 25, 2006, 02:34:25 PM
Yes, I heard it. It has been denied by Clarence House.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: grandduchessella on September 25, 2006, 05:31:07 PM
It made MSNBC here in the US.  ::)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: BorbonFan on September 25, 2006, 06:31:34 PM
It made MSNBC here in the US.  ::)

I know people will say "the press has no secret agenda to undermine and topple the Monarchy because they make money off of the royals - they sell the press." Well, I am sorry, but this is not true at all, especially after this clear example of libelous attack on PoW. Why? Because the handful of mass-media moguls (90% of them anti-Christian, anti-monarchists) who control most of the Western press, do not really need the royals to stay profitable. The media moguls keep on manufacturing tons of fake royalty - the Hollywood actors, the sports and music "superstars" (the Beckhams, the Posh spices, etc.) - which sell their press just as well, if not better (at least by the sheer volume of their numbers compared to the handful of remaining royals) than the royals do.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Guinastasia on September 25, 2006, 07:00:07 PM
Wha? 

As for denying it, well, I think then that's that.  Either way, if it were true, why would they bother denying it-it's not like they said he has murder victims buried in his garden or that he eats kittens for breakfast.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: basilforever on September 25, 2006, 07:48:51 PM
Yes, I heard it. It has been denied by Clarence House.

I find it funny and kind of odd that Clarence House would bother replying to a story about Charles discarding some eggs. Even if he did reject some, someone else could eat them or they could be given to a dog! ::)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: basilforever on September 25, 2006, 07:51:39 PM
I like it when Charles says interesting things, like he is a fan of Leonard Cohen.  :o That surprised me. I am glad that he has such good taste in music. I wonder if he loves Bob Dylan too, like me?  :D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Leuchtenberg on September 25, 2006, 10:28:59 PM
Yes, I heard it. It has been denied by Clarence House.

I find it funny and kind of odd that Clarence House would bother replying to a story about Charles discarding some eggs. Even if he did reject some, someone else could eat them or they could be given to a dog! ::)

He is notoriously fussy about his comforts, so it wouldn't surprise me that he prefers his eggs just so.  But I doubt the rejected eggs would be discarded.  More likely they would appear in sandwiches for the staff's lunches.   ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Guinastasia on September 26, 2006, 01:28:42 PM
Or chopped up into salads or something.

However, someone who has had breakfast with him says he usually has toast, or something like that, not eggs.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: grandduchessella on September 27, 2006, 08:44:03 AM
Seems he might be visiting my area next year--maybe with William and Harry.

http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1158468380.html

http://www.vagazette.com/news/va-news1_091606sep16,0,7113217.story?coll=va-news

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/MediaRelations/NewsReleases/viewRelease.cfm?id=239

Leesburg is fairly close to DC--my hubby's best friend lives there--while Jamestown is right near me in the Norfolk/Williamsburg/Virginia Beach area. Either way, I have places to crash so I might just have to get myself to the areas.  :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on October 13, 2006, 01:59:54 PM
TRH The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall attended a memorial service yesterday,in honour to those
who lost their lives at the Bali bombings four years ago:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1160720608.html

Courtesy Marianne.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2006, 01:49:10 AM
I wonder why the offers were not made to Prince Andrew or Prince Edward ?  ???
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on October 16, 2006, 03:44:40 AM
It has been reported that Prince Charles has purchased a farm in the Transylvania area of Roumania.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2006, 04:38:42 AM
I also heard he had a villa in Tuscany, should he be made a duke there ???
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Marlene on October 16, 2006, 10:34:44 AM


The story is totally nonsense.  Charles has not been offered a crown in Romania ... There is no crown to offer.  For another, Charles knows full well, that he will be king when his mother die. 
Hello! Tom Gallagher, a well-reputed British expert in Romanian politics and history (http://www.rri.ro/index.php?lmb=4&art=14003), author of a number of articles on Romania for the Encyclopaedia Britannica (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=tom+gallagher+romania+site%3Abritannica.com), and advocate for the restoration of Monarchy in Romania (http://www.hotnews.ro/articol_23439-A-fi-conservator-in-Romania.-Ce-trebuie-sa-faci-de-Tom-Gallagher.htm), wrote a recent editorial for the monarchist daily Romania Libera (http://www.romanialibera.ro/editie/index.php?url=articol&tabel=z30062006&idx=17), in which he affirmed that HRH Prince Charles of Wales was offered the Romanian Crown, presumably by Romanian monarchists disappointed with Princess Margarita's choice of a husband, offer turned down by the Prince. Here's a translation of the pertinent fragment from Gallagher's editorial: "And if, utopically speaking, His Royal Highness had decided to give up waiting for his mother to pass away, had learned Romanian, and had accepted the invitation to become the head of a state he had fallen in love with - see his repeated visits and gestures of protection extended to a patrimony oftentimes endangered - perhaps he would have ended up proving himself to be the best sovereign Romania had since Carol I."
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2006, 10:40:17 AM
I cannot agree more !  ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ilyala on October 16, 2006, 01:15:13 PM


The story is totally nonsense.  Charles has not been offered a crown in Romania ... There is no crown to offer.  For another, Charles knows full well, that he will be king when his mother die. 
Hello! Tom Gallagher, a well-reputed British expert in Romanian politics and history (http://www.rri.ro/index.php?lmb=4&art=14003), author of a number of articles on Romania for the Encyclopaedia Britannica (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=tom+gallagher+romania+site%3Abritannica.com), and advocate for the restoration of Monarchy in Romania (http://www.hotnews.ro/articol_23439-A-fi-conservator-in-Romania.-Ce-trebuie-sa-faci-de-Tom-Gallagher.htm), wrote a recent editorial for the monarchist daily Romania Libera (http://www.romanialibera.ro/editie/index.php?url=articol&tabel=z30062006&idx=17), in which he affirmed that HRH Prince Charles of Wales was offered the Romanian Crown, presumably by Romanian monarchists disappointed with Princess Margarita's choice of a husband, offer turned down by the Prince. Here's a translation of the pertinent fragment from Gallagher's editorial: "And if, utopically speaking, His Royal Highness had decided to give up waiting for his mother to pass away, had learned Romanian, and had accepted the invitation to become the head of a state he had fallen in love with - see his repeated visits and gestures of protection extended to a patrimony oftentimes endangered - perhaps he would have ended up proving himself to be the best sovereign Romania had since Carol I."

the posts that were lost of this thread contained pretty serious arguments on why this topic is complete nonsense. but apparently some people just don't listen to reason.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2006, 08:38:55 PM
I agree that the throne is not vacant and Charles will not be King of Romania period.  :(
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on October 24, 2006, 07:24:38 AM
I have had a look through the topics and cannot find one to slot in this new development.

Headlines in today's Daily Mail newspaper announce that Prince Charles is facing a tax bill amounting to millions.   A government committee is insisting the Prince's finances be scrutinised and audited.   This concerns the Prince's main source of income, the Duchy of Cornwall.   The question asked is why are the Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster (which funds the Queen) exempt from corporation and capital gains tax?   It is suggested this saves Prince Charles an annual  £500,000.   Over the years this has added up to many millions of pounds

The Duchy of Cornwall has rejected MPs demands that it open its accounts, in full, to the National Audit Office.    The House of Commons commission is asking the UK Treasury why the status of the Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster puts them 'outside the regimes for corporation and capital gains taxes.   (This is in addition to the income received from the Civil List.)

I feel the British Royal family enjoy privileges beyond the imaginings and thanks to the support of the rest of populace and therefore it is only right they be subjected to the same responsibilities as the rest of us.   They should not be, nor should they wish to be, tax exempt because of their position.   There is no logical reason why they should be immune to our punitive taxation system.   Rather they should set an example.   

If the monarchy is to survive into the 21st century, it is imperative they face up to these realities of life along with the rest of us.

What are your thoughts?

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 24, 2006, 08:24:46 AM
Hmm, boy do I have some thoughts on this   :o

The Queen does voluntarily pay capital gains and other taxes on her income from the Duchy of Lancester, after official expenses are deducted.  (Remember - she uses much of it to pay for the official duties of the RF not on the Civil List).  The rest of the Lancaster income meets the cost of maintaining Balmoral (I believe Sandringham funds itself just fine).  That last part I should think comes from taxed funds - it should! 

On the other hand, Cornwall should be treated the same way and "officially" it is.  "Officially" Charles pays tax on his income after official deductions.  My problem with this is that if you read the fine print in the Prince's own annual report, what he consideres "official" is laughable. His official expenses include housekeepers / butlers / valets (they're needed to clean rooms where guests are received and to prepare clothes he wears to official engagements)  the garden at Highgrove (he invites guests there regularly), and over 100 office staff (they're needed to help organize the many charities that the PoW supports).  Okay, I'm all for Charles supporting charities, and receiving huge numbers of guests.  He's the heir to the throne, after all. 

But come on!  I'm a garden freak, I decide to invite hundreds of people round to see my garden - ergo its official expense?!?!?!?  Or - I am interested in a number of areas, so I decide to learn all I can about them to pressure the government and I need 100 office workers to help me - ergo that's an official expense??

In my humble opinion, Charles as heir to the throne should be provided with Clarence House and a suitable domestic staff to enable him to entertain there on a small scale.  He should have a modest office staff to keep his diary, make travel arraingements and run his household in an appropriate way.  The funds to pay for this should be tax free because they are on behalf of the Queen.  EVERYTHING ELSE - from supporting charities to keeping pretty gardens - should come from taxed funds.

Here's the part that irritates me.  The public (and even some government folks) seem to think that the two duchies are public entities.  They aren't.  They belong to the Queen and the PoW - with certain restrictions imposed by Parliament.  Parliament should be able to tax the income, of course, and ensure the bodies are run properly, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on October 24, 2006, 08:59:40 AM
The whole point of the Duchy of Cornwall is their commercial arm.   Duchy of Cornwall products.   Now, I have to admit, those I have experienced are excellent AND pricey.   However, this is a trading company which, in my opinion, should be subject to the usual benefits and constraints as all businesses.   The problem is, it is all too easy to confuse the two.   For example, should the Duchy of Cornwall sell a property, for example, why should the profit from that property not be subject to capital gains tax (40% after certain allowances) like the rest of us?   Equally, if the Duchy of Cornwall purchases property, it should be subject to 'stamp duty' - 3% on any property whose value exceeds £250,000.

I can see it is only too easy to confuse the two and blur the edges - inevitably to the benefit of the Prince of Wales.   

It simply is not fair.   I support the institution of monarch, but I do resent this.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Marlene on October 24, 2006, 09:23:01 AM
We are talking about the Daily Mail here - a paper not noted for responsible journalism  In fact, British newspapers are not known for investigate journalism as is done here in the USA.  For one thing, they don't have the training or the resources - and I can say that from experience having worked for British and American news organizations.


http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page4969.asp   Here is the official statement about what taxes are paid.  


The Civil List is not income - the royals themselves do not receive a single pence of the Civil list.  The Civil list payments go toward the officiail duties of those royals who are covered by the Civil list, which of course is reimbursed back to the govt by the sovereign.   Two-thirds of the civil list payments go toward staff salarie (all of whom pay taxes), as well as stationary, postage, new clothes for official trips (not for private)  Thus the royals do not see the civil list payments as income although a good portion of the civil list payments go to salaries for workers, who pay taxes.)


The Prince of Wales does pay capital gains and all of that.  A good portion of Cornwall investments goes for reininvestment, and think about how many people are employed by the Duchy.    

Charles paid  L3.3 million in taxes last year   23% of his income.  The Duchy of Cornwall was set up to finance the heir to the throne - which means he receives no support as heir from the Civil list.  Yes, it is right that taxes should be paid - and he paid quite a lot in taxes.  However, as heir to the throne he does have responsibilities that the average Briton does not have.  No one is saying how much money is used for charity - (which would be a lot), how many jobs and opportunities are made available through the duchy's funds via the various Prince's trusts (which provide more opportunities than any other charity in Britain.)


BY the way, the MP involved is Edward Leigh who represents Gainsborough and is a Tory.  He happens to be married to Mary Goodman, the daughter of Philip Goodman and Countess Sophie Kleinmichel, who was the daughter of Countess Maria Katharina von Carlow and her second husband.  Maria Katharina's parents were Duke Georg Alexander of Mecklenburg-Strelitz and Natalia (created Countess von Carlow)  this marriage was morganatic.   Georg's parents were Duke Georg of Mecklenburg-Strelitz and Grand Duchess Catherine Mikhailovna of Russia; thus  the MP is a very distant in-law relative of the Prince of Wales.

For another,  
I have had a look through the topics and cannot find one to slot in this new development.

Headlines in today's Daily Mail newspaper announce that Prince Charles is facing a tax bill amounting to millions.   A government committee is insisting the Prince's finances be scrutinised and audited.   This concerns the Prince's main source of income, the Duchy of Cornwall.   The question asked is why are the Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster (which funds the Queen) exempt from corporation and capital gains tax?   It is suggested this saves Prince Charles an annual  £500,000.   Over the years this has added up to many millions of pounds

The Duchy of Cornwall has rejected MPs demands that it open its accounts, in full, to the National Audit Office.    The House of Commons commission is asking the UK Treasury why the status of the Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster puts them 'outside the regimes for corporation and capital gains taxes.   (This is in addition to the income received from the Civil List.)

I feel the British Royal family enjoy privileges beyond the imaginings and thanks to the support of the rest of populace and therefore it is only right they be subjected to the same responsibilities as the rest of us.   They should not be, nor should they wish to be, tax exempt because of their position.   There is no logical reason why they should be immune to our punitive taxation system.   Rather they should set an example.   

If the monarchy is to survive into the 21st century, it is imperative they face up to these realities of life along with the rest of us.

What are your thoughts?

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Marlene on October 24, 2006, 09:27:17 AM
Tsaria,  Life is not fair ... and there are huge differences between the average Briton and the Prince of Wales.  The duchy was set up to provide income for the Prince of Wales.  However, he employs a lot more people than most in the UK.  This means more tax payers.  A good portion of investments go to his charities (which do great and good things) - and he also invests the money for further good.  Did you know that one of the Prince's groups is helping to rebuild 5 communities in mississippi following Katrina .. and that when he received an award from AIA last year, he did not pocket the money (about $30,000) instead - he gave it to the charity that is doing the work here ...

The whole point of the Duchy of Cornwall is their commercial arm.   Duchy of Cornwall products.   Now, I have to admit, those I have experienced are excellent AND pricey.   However, this is a trading company which, in my opinion, should be subject to the usual benefits and constraints as all businesses.   The problem is, it is all too easy to confuse the two.   For example, should the Duchy of Cornwall sell a property, for example, why should the profit from that property not be subject to capital gains tax (40% after certain allowances) like the rest of us?   Equally, if the Duchy of Cornwall purchases property, it should be subject to 'stamp duty' - 3% on any property whose value exceeds £250,000.

I can see it is only too easy to confuse the two and blur the edges - inevitably to the benefit of the Prince of Wales.   

It simply is not fair.   I support the institution of monarch, but I do resent this.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 24, 2006, 09:31:45 AM
If I'm not mistaken, all profits from Duchy Originals goes to charity, not to an individual or shareholders.  I don't know British tax laws at it relates to charities - here in the US any organization with a 401C3 designation is a charity and is tax exempt.

To the core assets - land - owned by the Duchy, I agree with you Tsaria.  Property transactions should be taxed the same way as any institution.

It's interesting the way this appears to be set up.  The Duchy as a whole is tax exempt - only the profit is open for taxation (and that is ""voluntary" at present).  So all the normal business transactions avoid all taxes, which results in a larger profit of course.  Then Charles deducts a huge chunk of that for official expenses and pays tax on what's left.  He gets to claim that he's paying his fair share in taxes, while still making out like a bandit.

Hmm, here in the States, that would make Charles a Republican!!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on October 24, 2006, 11:49:12 AM
Marlene, whatever kind of spin you put on this, it is fundamentally WRONG.   This is not a 'Daily Mail story'.   It is being carried in the British press in general.    And the implication in it being a 'Daily Mail story' is rather unfair given the royal family rely on a tabloid like the Daily Mail to, not only promote their public lives, but to also keep the entity which is the Royal Family in the headlines.   It is not possible to cherry pick and simply choose which of the Daily Mail's stories suit one's purposes.

I am quite struck by your statement 'Life is not fair' in support of an extremely wealthy and privileged individual managing to escape what the rest of the population has an obligation to pay.   In this country, tax evasion is legal... tax avoidance is a crime.   What this committee, rightly in my opinion, is endeavouring to do, is to tease out exactly what is going on with the Prince of Wales and the Duchy of Cornwall's finances.   I wholeheartedly agree with much of what the Prince of Wales propounds.   My concern is that in being a little bit economical with the truth could, ultimately, lead to what I am sure you do not want to see, Marlene, and that is the demise of the British Monarchy.

I am pretty sure other British posters will see the possibility for damage in the rather shady accounting.   As tax payers we are left with no choice but to cough up, including our, agreed, very small, contribution to the Civil List.   Right now I know only too well what it is like to being paying the outrageous taxes to which I referred earlier and still I want the perpetuation of the Royal Family.   However, there are many - and a growing number - who do not see a place for the Monarchy after the death of Queen Elizabeth II.   News of this sort only serves to fuel the flames of republicanism.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on October 24, 2006, 12:04:48 PM
As it is off-topic, I will keep this as short as possible.   To say the standard of British journalism is inferior to American journalism is nonsense.   You are not the only journalist on this Forum, Marlene and I find that assertion quite frankly, not only untrue, but insulting.   For starters, we can spell!   The standard of training of British journalists is as high as you will find anywhere in the world.   Don't you realise it is British journalism which gave birth to investigative journalism?   I worked for BBC television - indeed was trained at the BBC training college.    I've no idea for whom you 'worked'.   It would be interesting to establish their opinion of your own journalistic skills.   I trust they were better than your inter-personal skills.   Marlene, your audacity has taken my breath away.   You do not know what you are talking about 

As moderator, I would invite you to amend that - verging on the slanderous - post.

tsaria   
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Marlene on October 24, 2006, 01:17:19 PM
I see that it is now in the Telegraph.  And yes, life is not fair. Never has been, never will be.  The Prince of Wales is hardly a tax evader.  He is not doing anything illegal.   And in Britain, donations to charities are not tax deductible.  The average Briton does not have a clue about royal finances because the media does pick and choose what it wants to report.  The profits from the Crown estates (which belong to the Sovereign) go to the treasury's coffers.  In fact, the British taxpayer benefits because the givt gets more than it gives back in the civil list, security, etc.   In fact, the Treasury makes out like a bandit because the Queen repays the civil list allocation back to the govt -- so in a sense, she has paid twice now - first through the profits from the Crown estates and then again her own money ... So she's not really giving back - she's paid twice.  I call that being screwed.

Taxation has never been fair either. 
The monarchy is no danger.  There are no republicans gathering at the barricades.  The media would go out of business if the monarchy ceased to exist.  Unfortunately, you have a government at present that has made corruption an art form ... and has done far more damage to Britain, both politically and economically, than the duchy of Cornwall's profits.
(the cost of dismantling the monarchy would be horrendous)

Charles is not doing anything illegal.  Under the terms of the duchy, he is not obligated to pay capital gains ... and those biscuits you buy (you can get the cheap here at Filenes), the profits go to charity -- not back to the duchy. 

Of course, what will happen is that Charles will pay the taxes, even though he is not obligated to do so -- and there will be less money for charities. 
Marlene, whatever kind of spin you put on this, it is fundamentally WRONG.   This is not a 'Daily Mail story'.   It is being carried in the British press in general.    And the implication in it being a 'Daily Mail story' is rather unfair given the royal family rely on a tabloid like the Daily Mail to, not only promote their public lives, but to also keep the entity which is the Royal Family in the headlines.   It is not possible to cherry pick and simply choose which of the Daily Mail's stories suit one's purposes.

I am quite struck by your statement 'Life is not fair' in support of an extremely wealthy and privileged individual managing to escape what the rest of the population has an obligation to pay.   In this country, tax evasion is legal... tax avoidance is a crime.   What this committee, rightly in my opinion, is endeavouring to do, is to tease out exactly what is going on with the Prince of Wales and the Duchy of Cornwall's finances.   I wholeheartedly agree with much of what the Prince of Wales propounds.   My concern is that in being a little bit economical with the truth could, ultimately, lead to what I am sure you do not want to see, Marlene, and that is the demise of the British Monarchy.

I am pretty sure other British posters will see the possibility for damage in the rather shady accounting.   As tax payers we are left with no choice but to cough up, including our, agreed, very small, contribution to the Civil List.   Right now I know only too well what it is like to being paying the outrageous taxes to which I referred earlier and still I want the perpetuation of the Royal Family.   However, there are many - and a growing number - who do not see a place for the Monarchy after the death of Queen Elizabeth II.   News of this sort only serves to fuel the flames of republicanism.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 24, 2006, 01:25:28 PM
  Unfortunately, you have a government at present that has made corruption an art form ... and has done far more damage to Britain, both politically and economically, than the duchy of Cornwall's profits.
(the cost of dismantling the monarchy would be horrendous)


So true Marlene dear, so true :(
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on October 24, 2006, 03:38:12 PM
Firstly it was the British press which was being denigrated, now it is the 'average Briton does not have a clue about royal finances....'.   Thank goodness for Marlene.   She'll keep everybody right, including the important ALL-Party British House of Commons Public Accounts Committee.   If everything is as above board as Marlene insists, why is there resistance to open Duchy of Cornwall accounts to the Audit Commission?   If the tax man comes to my door, I am, by law, required to reveal my sources of income.

The Duchy of Cornwall is a property development company.   It competes with other property development companies.   The difference is they have to pay corporation and capital gains taxes.   Why should the Duchy of Cornwall be singled out for special treatment?    At the moment the estimate of savings is of the magnitude of approaching £100,000,000 per annum.   This is £100,000,000 being denied the public purse - to organisations like the health service, education, pensions, social services and etc.   This very subject is under discussion on television as I write - the standard of journalist and journalism seems OK to me, but who am I to judge?   I wonder if BBC news would be interested in Marlene's contribution and perhaps heighten the level of debate.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Arleen on October 24, 2006, 03:52:22 PM
Just consider the SOURCE Tsaria....this is just pure Marlene. 

Anyone with a bit of sense is with you.

A
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 24, 2006, 03:57:08 PM
Just consider the SOURCE Tsaria....this is just pure Marlene. 


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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Janet_W. on October 24, 2006, 05:31:24 PM
I'd like to mention that I'm a freelance newspaper columnist, and although my degree is in English I've taken numerous communications courses, including several regarding the history of communications. Historically, United States journalism owes a debt of gratitude to the British "Fourth Estate," and while both nations have their share of rags, I've enjoyed many in-depth stories by British reporters, much as I have those by journalists trained in the United States.

As long as I'm commenting about journalism, I'd like to express my thanks and appreciation to the many journalists from the United Kingdom, the United States, and many, many other nations throughout the world who are risking their lives daily in an attempt to inform us about what is happening  in Iraq and Afghanistan. And speaking of taxation, I am deeply grateful to the brave men and women who are doing their best to provide us with information about our "tax dollars in action."  As I am so frequently tempted to reply when someone admonishes me to "Support Our Troops," as a taxpayer I most certainly do support our troops, whether I approve of the why and the where of their deployment or not.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Marlene on October 24, 2006, 09:56:43 PM
Tsaria,  My post verged nowhere near slander.  For another, I never said anything about British journalism being inferior.  Re-reading my post, I cannot imagine how you would infer something like that.  You asked for my resume (that's what we Americans call the CV).  I have a BA in English (cum laude) and a master's in library science.  In the US, you must have a master's degree in library science from an ALA-accredited school in order to practice librarianship. A BA is 4 year degree.  I did my master's in 18 months -- three semesters (5 classes per semester).  (As an undergrad, I acquired enough credits to satisfy majors in History, Theatre History and a minor in journalism.  Let's just say I carried extra more than the required credits each semester as an undergrad.  Thus, I actually had three majors, but had to choose one for the degree.)  I worked for several publishing houses in NYC, but when my mom died,  I decided to go back to school and get the master's.  I worked in the news business for more than 2 decades as a news librarian/researcher - for the AP (the world's largest news organization) in NYC; CNN in DC, as the head of the library; NPR; and with the Daily Telegraph in their DC bureau as their researcher.  I don't need to amend what I wrote because I stand by what I wrote.  American news organizations were already using computers in the 70s and early 80s.   Murdoch had to bring in computers in secret during the night at the Times because of the unions.  British newspapers were finally going online full text in the early 1990s.  The BBC has been having serious issue.  Yesterday came a report, I believe, that acknowledged the BBC's bias (anti-American, anti-religion, among others.)  The BBC has also seen huge financial and staff cuts.   I singled out the Mail because it is an awful paper, and has been for years. The editors/reporters have little accountability for what they write, and there is no real fact checking. 
 Just about every news organization in the US has a library or a research dept, usually staffed by professional librarians who are trained in a myriad of databases.  British journalists have acknowledged that American reporters have a lot more "weapons" at their disposal, starting with the FOI to databases for checking drivers' licenses, court records, all sorts of things, even databases to find out who owns a plane.  Last year, the BBC started a new "college" for journalists and they are looking at what is being done in the US in journalism, and they want to "emulate" that.   British newspapers are not known for indepth reporting on major issues with long articles, series, etc.  In June 2005, the New Orleans newspaper did a major series (10 parts I think, as well as sidebars) on what would happen if NO had a major hurricane.  Talk about prophetic.  Reporters in Britain don't rely on researchers to help them, nor do they have access to a NICAR (National Insitute for Computer-Aided research), but that is changing.  Every night before I go to bed I read the tomorrow's Times and Telegraph, as well as the Mail (and I glance at the Guardian for a good laugh.)  I also read each day the New York Times and the Washington post (which is my local paper.)  The NYT has won more Pulitzers than any other paper, but the post comes close.  In 2006, 3 reporters won for Investigative reporting for their expose on Jack Abramoff and the reforms that followed -- this was a story that took months to research before it broke  as did another WPOst story .that changed American politics -- Watergate.  Intensive, investigative reporting by Woodward and Bernstein with the help of the Post's research staff.  That sort of reporting does not largely happen in Britain.  The papers have neither the resources (although it is changing) with access to information - but such things cost money - and that is a problem for many British (and American) news organizations.  But nowhere did I say British journalism was inferior -- I just don't see a lot of indepth, probing, insightful reporting in the major dailies.  I am sorry you misunderstood.  However, I absolutely know what I am talking about.  The Daily Telegraph just had a major staff purge including the entire DC reporting staff. The new owners have no idea .. and they are leaving Canary Wharf apparently to move to another building in central London.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Marlene on October 24, 2006, 10:11:09 PM
Tsaria,  I am not going to get into an argument with you.  You are the one using the words denigrate and inferior. I used neither one.  You are the one getting your knickers into a twist.  The Duchy of Cornwall is not a property development company.  It is 11 pm here, so you are still in bed sleeping, I presume.  I have already read tomorrow's Times and Telegraph, both of which said basically the same thing. 
I have also read the statement on the POW's site:  "the duchy does not pay corporation tax as it is not a company. All revenue that would be taxed is already subject to income tax that is paid by the Prince of Wales. An organisation cannot be subject to both corporation tax and income tax. If the duchy also paid corporation tax the prince would effectively be taxed twice on the same income."

One of the Prince's spokesman said of the duchies "they are not public bodies. They are private estates, especially created to provide income for the Sovereign and the heir to the throne. This means the taxpayer does not have to fund the majority of the Prince's public duties."

Last year, the Duchy Orginals  "made £1 million in profit, which went to the prince's charities."

I certainly stand by my comment that the average Briton does not know about the royal finances.  The average Briton doesn't know what the Civil list is, and how it is funded. 

I don't want to get into a war with you, but I do resent your putting words into my mouth.  I did not denigrate British journalism (except for the daily Mail, which is an awful paper) nor did I use the word inferior.  Your use of the words implied that I did, and that is incorrect. 

Firstly it was the British press which was being denigrated, now it is the 'average Briton does not have a clue about royal finances....'.   Thank goodness for Marlene.   She'll keep everybody right, including the important ALL-Party British House of Commons Public Accounts Committee.   If everything is as above board as Marlene insists, why is there resistance to open Duchy of Cornwall accounts to the Audit Commission?   If the tax man comes to my door, I am, by law, required to reveal my sources of income.

The Duchy of Cornwall is a property development company.   It competes with other property development companies.   The difference is they have to pay corporation and capital gains taxes.   Why should the Duchy of Cornwall be singled out for special treatment?    At the moment the estimate of savings is of the magnitude of approaching £100,000,000 per annum.   This is £100,000,000 being denied the public purse - to organisations like the health service, education, pensions, social services and etc.   This very subject is under discussion on television as I write - the standard of journalist and journalism seems OK to me, but who am I to judge?   I wonder if BBC news would be interested in Marlene's contribution and perhaps heighten the level of debate.

tsaria

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Marlene on October 24, 2006, 10:20:23 PM
Janet,  nice post -- but one thing:  journalists are not trained in the USA ... there is no training school for journalists ... you might major in English or history or economics or broadcasting or communications ... you might go on and get the J-degree (master's).  Many journalists started out working on their college newspaper - and once you are out with the degree, you start ,looking for a job -- a small paper in a small town or a lower level TV market - it would be rare for a recent grad to start at the NYTimes ... the papers do not train you to be a journalist.  Of course, with all the technology, journalists and researchers take classes to learn the databases, etc ... but  there's no "training."  My late husband was a sports writer.  He received his BA from Temple (and wrote for the university paper.)  His first job was as a sports reporter for papers in Lancaster, PA. He was hired by Gannett, and spent 20 years in Rochester, NY, covering sports locally (as well as nationally and internationally, going to the Olympics, World Series, etc.)  He was hired as one of the senior writers for Gannett's Baseball Weekly newspaper here in VA in the early 1990s, where he worked until he died. 
I'd like to mention that I'm a freelance newspaper columnist, and although my degree is in English I've taken numerous communications courses, including several regarding the history of communications. Historically, United States journalism owes a debt of gratitude to the British "Fourth Estate," and while both nations have their share of rags, I've enjoyed many in-depth stories by British reporters, much as I have those by journalists trained in the United States.

As long as I'm commenting about journalism, I'd like to express my thanks and appreciation to the many journalists from the United Kingdom, the United States, and many, many other nations throughout the world who are risking their lives daily in an attempt to inform us about what is happening  in Iraq and Afghanistan. And speaking of taxation, I am deeply grateful to the brave men and women who are doing their best to provide us with information about our "tax dollars in action."  As I am so frequently tempted to reply when someone admonishes me to "Support Our Troops," as a taxpayer I most certainly do support our troops, whether I approve of the why and the where of their deployment or not.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on October 25, 2006, 03:51:02 AM
Marlene, your words speak for themselves.   

On the subject of the Duchy of Cornwall, you do not know what you are writing about or perhaps you are simply being selective with the facts.   The Duchy of Cornwall is among others things, a  commercial organisation.   In property development - buying and selling - it is in direct competition with other property developers, as well as private individuals.    Why should they have to pay taxes on their profits and the Duchy of Cornwall be exempt?   If you cannot see that this is a genuine cause for malcontent amongst British tax payers, there's nothing anyone can do.   THe Duchy has developed somewhat since it was created by the Black Prince as a source of funding the heir.

I did not ask for sight of your resume/CV whatever you want to call it.   Thank you for publishing it.   It made fascinating reading.   However not sufficiently fascinating to make me - or, probably others  - wish to publish mine or to allow this thread to be driven further off topic.

tsaria   
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: carl fraley on October 25, 2006, 09:26:23 AM
I probably shouldn't weigh in on this but it's too late i already  have.  The entire point of this website was to have a free and open discussion (I think) not a personal "Bitching" board.  (Can i say that?  I'll delete if i Need to).  personally I dont think that Marlene's post was offensive or meant to be but then again that's one of the problems with the internet as opposed to verbal communication, you can
assume and infer 50 different things from one typed conversation.  I think we all have misinferred something from online chat before.
If we take offense from every comment that we don't agree with then what's the point of coming to the website.  No one will always agree on some point and what is one truth to me might not be the truth to you.  I already know 3 people from the old website that quit coming to the site b/c of the personal bickering on the boards.  I'm not taking either side of the argument but here is what is posted on the Monarchy's OFFICIAL website and this should suffice I would think.

"Head of State expenditure is the official expenditure relating to The Queen's duties as Head of State and Head of the Commonwealth.

Head of State expenditure is met from public funds in exchange for the surrender by The Queen of the revenue from the Crown Estate. In the financial year to 31 March 2006 the revenue surplus from the Crown Estate paid to the Treasury amounted to £190.8 million.

Head of State expenditure for 2005-06 was £37.4 million. This was 4.2% higher than in the previous year (an increase of 1.4% in real terms).

Head of State expenditure has reduced significantly over the past decade, from £87.3 million (expressed in current pounds) in 1991-92.

Head of State expenditure excludes the costs of Police and Army security and of Armed Services ceremonial, as figures are not available.  

Every year the Royal Household publishes an Annual Summary of Head of State expenditure, together a full report on Royal public finances. The two-page Annual Summary and full Royal Public Finances report can be downloaded as Acrobat pdf files at the bottom of this page.

 





 
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: carl fraley on October 25, 2006, 09:32:24 AM
The Privy Purse is the historical term used to describe the income from the Duchy of Lancaster which is used to meet both official expenditure incurred by The Queen as Sovereign and private expenditure.

The Duchy of Lancaster is a unique portfolio of land, property and assets held in trust for the Sovereign in his or her role as Duke of Lancaster.

Since a Duke of Lancaster came to the throne in 1399, the Duchy of Lancaster has been administered separately from the Crown Estates. It continues to be an independent entity in terms of administration and inheritance.

Today the Duchy of Lancaster is custodian of 18,800 hectares across England and Wales, including key urban developments, historic buildings, high-quality farm land and areas of great natural beauty.

The Duchy's main purpose is to provide an independent source of income for the Sovereign as Duke of Lancaster. This money is mainly used to defray official expenditure not historically met by the Civil List.



The Queen uses a large part of it to meet official expenses incurred by other members of the Royal Family. Only The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh receive payments from Parliament which are not reimbursed by The Queen.

The net revenues from the property and investments are paid to the Keeper of the Privy Purse, the member of the Royal Household who is responsible for managing the Sovereign's finances. Revenues presented to the Sovereign are currently in the region of £8m per year.

The Duchy is like a statutory perpetual trust where the income is received by the life tenant, while the capital accumulates for the benefit of future Sovereigns.

The Sovereign is not entitled to the Duchy's capital, nor to capital profits. Revenue generation is balanced against the long term need to provide income for future generations of Sovereigns.
 






 Founded in the thirteenth century, the Duchy of Lancaster provides an independent source of income for the Sovereign as Duke of Lancaster.

Money from the Duchy is mainly used to cover official expenditure not met by the Civil List, such as the official expenses of other members of the Royal Family.
All revenue profits from the Duchy of Lancaster distributed to the Sovereign are subject to income tax in the normal way.

The annual accounts of the Duchy are submitted to Parliament. Full copies of recent years' accounts can be found on the web site of the Duchy of Lancaster.

The Duchy of Lancaster is administered on behalf of the Sovereign, the Duke of Lancaster, by the Chancellor and Duchy Council. The officers of the Duchy manage its property and investments.

The Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, who is the equivalent of the chairman of the trustees, is responsible to the Sovereign for the administration of the Duchy. He has in recent years normally
 
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: carl fraley on October 25, 2006, 09:46:43 AM
The Prince of Wales's life and work are funded predominantly by the Duchy of Cornwall.

His Royal Highness receives the annual net surplus of the Duchy of Cornwall and chooses to use a large proportion of the income to meet the cost of his public and charitable work.

In 2005-06, the income due to The Prince of Wales's Office from the Duchy amounted to £14.067 million, compared with £13.274 million in 2005-2006.

The Prince also uses part of the income to meet the costs of his private life and those of his wife, The Duchess of Cornwall, and his sons, Prince William and Prince Harry.

As a Crown body, the Duchy is tax exempt, but The Prince of Wales voluntarily pays income tax (currently at 40 per cent) on his taxable income from it. 

The Prince became the 24th Duke of Cornwall on The Queen's accession in 1952. He is in effect a trustee, and is not entitled to the proceeds of disposals of assets. The Prince must pass on the estate intact, so that it continues to provide an income from its assets for future Dukes of Cornwall.

The Prince of Wales does not receive money from the Civil List, but the Grants-in-Aid paid to The Queen's Household are used, in part, to support his official activities.

Read more about the finances of The Prince of Wales in the Annual Review published by Clarence House.

 






 The Duchy of Cornwall is one of the largest and oldest estates in Britain. It includes around 54,850 hectares in 20 counties, mostly in the South West of England.

The Duchy of Cornwall was created in 1337 by Edward II for his son Prince Edward.

Its main role is to provide Princes of Wales with an income from its assets.
The Duchy of Cornwall consists of around 54,850 hectares of land in 20 counties, mostly in the South West of England.

The landed estate includes agricultural, commercial and residential property. The Duchy also has a financial investment portfolio. It is run on a commercial basis, as prescribed by the parliamentary legislation which governs its activities.

The Duchy estate was created in 1337 by Edward II for his son and heir, Prince Edward, and its primary function was to provide him and future Princes of Wales with an income from its assets.

It was traditional for many centuries for families with landed estates to settle the land and other assets in trust, so that each generation could live off the income but was unable to sell the assets.

This was done to ensure that the estate, and the income which it provided, survived from generation to generation. The same principle was applied to the Duchy of Cornwall.

Under the 1337 charter, as confirmed by subsequent legislation, The Prince of Wales does not own the Duchy's capital assets, and is not entitled to the proceeds or profit on their sale, and only receives the annual income which they generate (which is voluntarily subject to income tax).

Because of the importance of the beneficiary, the Duchy's 'trust provisions' have over the years, been set out in legislation, with the financial security of the Duchy overseen by HM Treasury.

The Duchy's founding charter included the gift of estates spread throughout England. It also stated that the Duchy should be in the stewardship of the Heir Apparent, to provide the Heir with an income independent of the Sovereign or the State.

After 668 years, the Duchy's land holdings have become more diversified, but the Duchy is still predominantly an agricultural estate.


** Please don't take anything i said personally. I think marlene was just saying that some newpapers etc... don't write based on the facts just on inflamatory bits and pieces of information to sell papers.  The problem is and it's rampant in the US is that most don't write based on the entire set of facts.  And aside from the facts on the offical websites I peronsally believe that the Queen as Sovereign is above reproach and someone is always going to want to complain about something. 
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on October 25, 2006, 12:10:17 PM
'In fact, British newspapers are not known for investigative journalism as is done here in the USA.   For one thing they don't have the training or resources - and I can say that from experience having worked for Britain and American news organisations.'

'The average Briton does not have a clue about royal finances..............'

I will decide what has to be challenged on this thread - not you Carlfraley.   Juding by the messages I have received, a number of posters have been appalled by these statements of 'fact'.

1)   How dare anyone write, 'The average Briton does not have a clue etc.......' about any circumstances. 
      As I wrote previously, British journalism gave birth to investigative journalism.   Have you heard of the 'Insight Team'?   Probably not.
2)   What else would you expect to read on the British Monarchy website?  I suppose the business of the most powerful, all-party Committee in the House of Commons
      is something to be condemned for confronting this anachronism?   
3)   Its really time to stop treating the UK as some kind of latter day Ruritania.

'He who pays the Piper, calls the tune' as the Windsor family, post Queen Elizabeth II, is almost certain to discover.

tsaria   
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 25, 2006, 01:52:35 PM
I do agree with carlfraleys post. This is a democracy and Marlene is entitled to her opinion and views whether inaccurate or not.

Thank you :)

Anyway, lets get back to topic :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: grandduchessella on October 25, 2006, 02:33:14 PM
Okay, I think it's time for a little breathing space here.  :) I should have gotten in sooner but I got backlogged with something.

I respect both tsaria (as a long-time friend and fellow mod) and marlene (as someone I have exchanged many informative PMs with) and they both make good points. The tone is what needs to be dialed down. The subject that tsaria raised is an extremely interesting one and I've enjoyed digging out the nuggets of the many topic--it's something new and something I don't know much about. Tsaria obviously does--and has added insight as a Briton. Marlene has a good deal of experience (as does Janet) from the newspaper point of view. The clash seems to be coming not so much from differing viewpoints on the issue as in what has (or has been perceived to have been) said by the other. Carlfraley has a point when he remarked that what is written online can be perceived differently from what the intent was. (This has happened to me on quite a few occasions) While tsaria has pointed out some of Marlene's actual words, I would hope that it isn't what she meant and she herself has says it is not. Perhaps we should just leave it at that and move on to the original points that Tsaria had raised.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: carl fraley on October 25, 2006, 08:59:13 PM
'In fact, British newspapers are not known for investigative journalism as is done here in the USA.   For one thing they don't have the training or resources - and I can say that from experience having worked for Britain and American news organisations.'

'The average Briton does not have a clue about royal finances..............'

I will decide what has to be challenged on this thread - not you Carlfraley.   Juding by the messages I have received, a number of posters have been appalled by these statements of 'fact'.

1)   How dare anyone write, 'The average Briton does not have a clue etc.......' about any circumstances. 
      As I wrote previously, British journalism gave birth to investigative journalism.   Have you heard of the 'Insight Team'?   Probably not.
2)   What else would you expect to read on the British Monarchy website?  I suppose the business of the most powerful, all-party Committee in the House of Commons
      is something to be condemned for confronting this anachronism?   
3)   Its really time to stop treating the UK as some kind of latter day Ruritania.

'He who pays the Piper, calls the tune' as the Windsor family, post Queen Elizabeth II, is almost certain to discover.

tsaria   



Gdella Thanks for agreeing w/me on the interpretation thing, b/c I INTERPRET Tsaria's response, especially this line as frankly Rude
"I will decide what has to be challenged on this thread - not you Carlfraley." 

I did not say this line " The average Briton does not have a clue about royal finances..............'" as you attributed to me in your response.
I was under the understanding that anyone could post a reply on here as long as we respected the fellow members and in no way did i disprespect anyone. So I frankly don't appreciate your reply.  If you could please delete my earlier posts b/c i can't seem to I would appreciate it..> Thanks.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on October 26, 2006, 04:37:22 AM
Apologies Carlfraley, I did not intend to imply that it was you who made those comments.   I regret not making that clear.

Being British, and a journalist, you can imagine how insulting it is to read such remarks.   Would you be angry, not only on your on behalf, but on behalf of your fellow colleagues and citizens?   Carlfraley, rightly, talks of respect.   Where is the respect in these assertions?    How is anybody who is either British or, worse still, a British journalist supposed to interpret such statements?   

It has been pointed out to me that there seems to be a bit of an 'east/west' divide here.   I can assure you no British poster on this Forum would dream of insulting American journalists/journalism or the average American.   That in itself stands testimony to the 'divide'.    Carlfraley is absolutely right in his observation.   Marlene would not have the audacity to say such things to my face - or to the faces of my fellow citizens.

To return to the Prince of Wales accountants' manipulations of the Prince's taxable income, there is no doubt there is gross injustice here.   In a 'multicultural, secular nation which is totally apathetic towards the Prince of Wales, the Prince's advisers should be treading rather more cautiously.   My fear is that, when the time comes for Charles to accede the throne, this apathy will develop into something very much stronger.    This is not a supine nation.   Witness the response to the death of Daina, Princess of Wales.   (See the movie - the nation was on the verge of revolution!)

We live in the 21st century.   The attitudes and morees of the 19th and 20th centuries are long gone.   There is no point in citing ancient laws in support of these injustices.   These can very easily be overturned.   As indeed they were in order to facilitate the marriage of the Prince of Wales to the, now, Duchess of Cornwall.   The marriage breached the Royal Marriages Act.   The Prince of Wales appealed to the European Court of Human Rights and this was upheld.   Nonetheless there are still constitutionalists in this country today who believe the marriage illegal.

I trust this discussion can continue on a rather more civilised and 'on-topic' level.

tsaria 
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on October 26, 2006, 05:38:47 AM
Nonetheless there are still constitutionalists in this country today who believe the marriage illegal.


This is what I have always thought!  David and Wallis are rolling in their graves.

Nothing aganist Camilla personally as I like her the most of the two.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: carl fraley on October 26, 2006, 09:02:44 AM
Thank you Tsaria. Very much so.  And Your point about the the ancient laws is a very true and interesting one.  I also agree that anyone's taxes can be manipulated and and (easily fudged) and put on a website (Not saying or slandering the POW saying that's what he does).  Anything is possible.    IMO as far as the marriage is concerned I agree 100% with you that it is illegal and violates the Marriage Act & the way it occured was completly "Bootstrapping".  I'm am not british myself but my grandmother was and my  mom was born in London, and shortly moved here after that so as weird as it may sound I am 200% Monarchist.  Perhaps I am living in the wrong century but the marriage is done however it came about and I will support the POW even as much as I disagree with it. 

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on October 29, 2006, 02:30:35 PM
TRH The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall have arrived at Islamabad,Pakistan at the start of a 5 day visit;

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1162147169.html

Courtesy Ademar.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on October 30, 2006, 04:20:27 AM
In a word - disestablishementarianism.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on October 30, 2006, 07:41:24 AM
TRH at Day 2 of the Pakistan visit:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1162206531.html

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1162207292.html

Courtesy Alexandra.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: bell_the_cat on October 30, 2006, 03:36:47 PM
much to the annoyance of antidisestablishmentarianists! :D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: basilforever on October 31, 2006, 04:54:06 AM
I think I am an antidisestablishmentarianist.  ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Kimberly on October 31, 2006, 05:39:15 AM
I can't even spell it :P ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on October 31, 2006, 08:57:10 AM
So you don't watch quizz shows, Kim?   I've often wondered when I might get the opportunity to use it.   Bell beat me with the ultimate 28 letter word.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grand Duchess Kimbo on October 31, 2006, 04:53:03 PM
much to the annoyance of antidisestablishmentarianists! :D

Isn't that the longest word in the English language or something? ???
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on November 01, 2006, 03:31:13 AM
Yes and itsn't it great we got the opportunity to use it... without deliberately setting out to do so.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on November 01, 2006, 06:39:18 AM
It's a triumph !!! Love this sort of thing.

R.I.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 03, 2006, 11:43:14 PM
Pakistan Day 4:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1162389605.html

Day 5:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1162463262.html

Final day in Pakistan:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1162583800.html

Courtesy Marianne &Ademar.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 13, 2006, 11:45:44 PM
HRH The Prince of Wales celebrates his 58th birthday today,november 14th.

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1113057056&str...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Harumi on November 16, 2006, 02:47:33 PM
I have few pictures taken yesterday at the Prince Trust gala if anyone's interested.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on November 16, 2006, 05:04:28 PM
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/palimpsest/royal/31424722.jpg)

Britain's Prince Charles, left, and his wife Camilla pose for photographers in front of historical Badshahi mosque in Lahore, Pakistan, Thursday, Nov. 2, 2006, in Pakistan. Charles, currently in Pakistan, called for greater understanding between different religious faiths, a day after praising U.K. soldiers fighting Islamic extremists in Afghanistan. (AP Photo)

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Britain's Prince Charles and his wife Camilla visit Altit fort with Prince Karim Aga Khan, right, the spiritual head of the Ismaili sect of Islam in Hunza, Pakistan, Friday, Nov 3, 2006. Charles returned home after his first ever visit to this Islamic nation during which he called for interfaith harmony among different religions, officials said. (AP Photo)


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Britain's Prince Charles and his wife the Duchess of Cornwall arrive at a ceremony to dedicate the New Zealand Memorial Saturday Nov. 11 2006. The memorial is the first to the fallen of New Zealand in the United Kingdom and is designed to be a permanent reminder of the long-standing relationship between the two countries. (AP Photo/Lewis Whyld, Pool)

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Britain's Prince Charles, left, walks back to his place as his mother Queen Elizabeth II, right, leads the Remembrance Day ceremony at the Cenotaph in central London's Whitehall , to pay tribute to the war dead of Britain and the 54-nation Commonwealth, Sunday Nov. 12, 2006. The service is held on the nearest Sunday to the anniversary of the end of World War I on Nov. 11, 1918, and also honors those killed in subsequent conflicts, including more than 120 troops who have died in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion. (AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis)

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Britain's Prince Charles gestures during a visit to the Engine House Community Project in Dowlais, Wales, Wednesday Nov. 15, 2006, where he viewed activities carried out at the The centre was one of a series of community projects Prince Charles was due to visit in South Wales Wednesday. (AP Photo/ Anthony Devlin/Pool)

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Britain's Prince Charles, right walks into a gallery as he tours the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, London, late Thursday Nov. 16, 2006. Prince Charles toured an exhibition of naval paintings at the museum and officially opened the collection. The painting at left is entitled 'The Parting Cheer' by Henry Nelson. (AP Photo/Alastair Grant/pool)

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Britain's Prince Charles, left gestures towards a painting by Sir Joshua Reynolds of Commodore Keppel, with Roy Clare of the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, London, Thursday Nov. 16, 2006. Prince Charles toured an exhibition of naval paintings at the museum and officially opened the collection. (AP Photo/Alastair Grant/pool)

(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/palimpsest/royal/31527143.jpg)

Britain's Prince Charles gestures as he speaks at the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, London, Thursday Nov. 16, 2006. Prince Charles toured an exhibition of naval paintings at the museum and officially opened the collection. (AP Photo/Alastair Grant/pool)


Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on November 16, 2006, 05:07:03 PM
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/palimpsest/royal/31520495.jpg)

Britain's Prince of Wales speaks to actress Gwyneth Paltrow and Prince Kyril of Bulgaria, right, at the Gala evening to celebrate the work of The Princes Trust held at the Roundhouse in Camden, north London Wednesday Nov. 15, 2006. The Trust, founded by Prince Charles, is celebrating its 30th anniversary this year and this is the latest in a number of events to mark the special milestone. (AP Photo / Chris Young, pool)

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(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/palimpsest/royal/31520940.jpg)

The Prince of Wales speaks to actress Joely Richardson at the Gala evening to celebrate the work of The Princes Trust held at the Roundhouse in Camden, north London Wednesday, Nov. 15, 2006. The Trust, founded by Prince Charles, is celebrating its 30th anniversary this year and this is the latest in a number of events to mark the special milestone. (AP Photo / Chris Young, pool)

(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/palimpsest/royal/31520898.jpg)

The Prince of Wales is presented with an opus on Manchester United by Man Utd manager Sir Alec Ferguson, right, at the Gala evening to celebrate the work of The Princes Trust held at the Roundhouse in Camden, north London Wednesday, Nov. 15, 2006. The Trust, founded by Prince Charles, is celebrating its 30th anniversary this year and this is the latest in a number of events to mark the special milestone. (AP Photo / Arthur Edwards, pool)

(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/palimpsest/royal/31506424.jpg)

Britain's Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales, slaps his right leg in a reaction to the Hungarian dancing earlier on, as he addresses the audience after a concert to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution, at St. James's Palace, in London, Monday, Nov. 13, 2006. (AP Photo/Sang Tan, pool)


Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: grandduchessella on November 16, 2006, 09:47:26 PM
From the Times May 2004:

"There are, moreover, a number of important figures in the British Establishment who sympathise with the faith without having converted. A focus for these is the Friends of Mount Athos, which supports the monasteries on Greece's "Holy Mountain", and whose members include Sir Patrick Leigh Fermor, the Duke of Edinburgh and the Prince of Wales.

Prince Philip's involvement is not surprising, given that he was brought up in the Greek Orthodox Church. Less expected is Prince Charles's, as the future head of the Church of England. "Spiritually, he is very moved by Mount Athos," says a member of the society. "He visits it every year for a week, and he is very much admired there." The Prince has been influenced by Philip Sherrard, a radical commentator on Orthodoxy and ecology, who argued that Western Christianity had devalued the environment by emphasising the division between the spiritual and the physical."
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Janet on November 17, 2006, 01:01:59 PM
From the Times May 2004:

"There are, moreover, a number of important figures in the British Establishment who sympathise with the faith without having converted. A focus for these is the Friends of Mount Athos, which supports the monasteries on Greece's "Holy Mountain", and whose members include Sir Patrick Leigh Fermor, the Duke of Edinburgh and the Prince of Wales.

Prince Philip's involvement is not surprising, given that he was brought up in the Greek Orthodox Church. ...........

He was baptised in the Greek Orthodox Church, but can it realistically be said that "he was brought up in the Greek Orthodox Church" ?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Dennis on November 17, 2006, 01:20:34 PM
That is a very interesting question.  As far as I know, the only way one can be "brought up" in the Orthodox faith is to live in an Orthodox observant home and to attend Orthodox Divine Liturgy on Sundays.  In Orthdoxy, baptism, chrismation (confirmation) and First Communion are all given to an Orthodox infant at the same ceremony. (The western church divided these into three separate rites.)  So, once HRH was baptized, there would have been no later rite (at puberty or adulthood) for him to receive.

Did he live in an Orthodox observant home?  Not for many years.  He was raised primarily in Germany and England where he went to private (and predominately Protestant) schools and spent much time with his Protestant grandmother, Victoria, and his nominally Protestant Uncle, Louis. He later served in the Royal Navy and at sea where shipboard services would have been led by an Anglican chaplain.   For him to have regularly attended Orthodox services seems unlikely.  We also read of no spiritual struggle when he was required to enter the Church of England.

But then, only he really knows the answer to that question.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on November 17, 2006, 01:45:35 PM
The Duke of Edinburgh was, however, actively involved in overseeing the reburial of his mother's remains in the Russian Orthodox Church of St Mary Magdelene, Jerusalem alongside those of her aunt, the Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Janet on November 17, 2006, 01:59:56 PM
The Duke of Edinburgh was, however, actively involved in overseeing the reburial of his mother's remains in the Russian Orthodox Church of St Mary Magdelene, Jerusalem alongside those of her aunt, the Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna.

tsaria

True, but well after he was "brought up"   :) .
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Dennis on November 17, 2006, 02:40:18 PM
HRH was honoring his devout mother's wish; it is not a sign that he himself was concerned that she be buried in an Orthdox shrine.  An Orthdox cousin, Marina, Duchess of Kent,  is buried with other members of the British Royal family.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Marlene on November 17, 2006, 03:57:11 PM

I have posted this several times.  Philip was not brought up in an Orthodox home.  He was baptised according to the rites of the O Church, but he was not raised in the church.  He spoke about his faith to (I think), Basil Boothroyd and said that he had considerd himself Anglican although he did not join the church until shortly before his marriage.  He attended Protestant services at school in Germany and in Scotland.  His maternal grandmother was Lutheran by birth, but more Anglican due to living in the UK.  Lord Milford Haven,  Philip's guardian was Anglican.   His exposure to the Orthodox church was limited.

From the Times May 2004:

"There are, moreover, a number of important figures in the British Establishment who sympathise with the faith without having converted. A focus for these is the Friends of Mount Athos, which supports the monasteries on Greece's "Holy Mountain", and whose members include Sir Patrick Leigh Fermor, the Duke of Edinburgh and the Prince of Wales.

Prince Philip's involvement is not surprising, given that he was brought up in the Greek Orthodox Church. ...........

He was baptised in the Greek Orthodox Church, but can it realistically be said that "he was brought up in the Greek Orthodox Church" ?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Marlene on November 17, 2006, 03:58:56 PM
Philip spent very little time with Uncle Dickie, actually,  It was the older brother, George, who was Philip's guardian.

That is a very interesting question.  As far as I know, the only way one can be "brought up" in the Orthodox faith is to live in an Orthodox observant home and to attend Orthodox Divine Liturgy on Sundays.  In Orthdoxy, baptism, chrismation (confirmation) and First Communion are all given to an Orthodox infant at the same ceremony. (The western church divided these into three separate rites.)  So, once HRH was baptized, there would have been no later rite (at puberty or adulthood) for him to receive.

Did he live in an Orthodox observant home?  Not for many years.  He was raised primarily in Germany and England where he went to private (and predominately Protestant) schools and spent much time with his Protestant grandmother, Victoria, and his nominally Protestant Uncle, Louis. He later served in the Royal Navy and at sea where shipboard services would have been led by an Anglican chaplain.   For him to have regularly attended Orthodox services seems unlikely.  We also read of no spiritual struggle when he was required to enter the Church of England.

But then, only he really knows the answer to that question.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Marlene on November 17, 2006, 04:00:39 PM
It was not Philip alone who was involved in honoring his mother's wish -  his sister, Sophie (who did not convert when she married - she had a Greek Orthodox funeral) was also involved in the transfer.  It also should be noted that Marina's funeral was Anglican, not Greek Orthodox.

HRH was honoring his devout mother's wish; it is not a sign that he himself was concerned that she be buried in an Orthdox shrine.  An Orthdox cousin, Marina, Duchess of Kent,  is buried with other members of the British Royal family.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Dennis on November 17, 2006, 04:19:13 PM
Thanks, Marlene, you always have the answers.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 20, 2006, 05:31:39 AM
The re-designed website of HRH The Prince of Wales:

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 28, 2006, 02:23:34 AM
The Prince of Wales is on a tour in Sierra Leone and Nigeria:
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/diary/monday_27th_november_thursday_30th_november_493312064.html

Sierra Leone yesterday:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1164668845.html

Courtesy Ademar (GREMB).
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on December 06, 2006, 12:55:43 AM
TRH The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall have purchased a 3-bedroom farm house in Llwynywormwood,Myddfai near Llandovery,Wales.

The farmhouse,on a 192 acres estate,purchased by the Duchy of Cornwall,will be in use during visits to Wales by the couple.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on December 06, 2006, 04:11:36 AM
.....and when its not being used by the royal couple, it will be let out as a holiday home!

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on December 09, 2006, 01:36:17 PM
.....and when its not being used by the royal couple, it will be let out as a holiday home!

tsaria

You booked already for a romantic weekend with your specific otherTsaria!?... ::)

Christmas wishes from the Waleses:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6162641.stm

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Nadezhda Edvardovna on December 14, 2006, 11:21:24 AM
I don't remember where I read in this forum--been reading old topics lately--but someone expressed amazement that Prince Charles knew/liked Joan Rivers.  Here's some quotes from an interview that Rivers gave to Larry King which provide insight (Aired April 11, 2005 - 21:00   ET):

KING: We start with Joan Rivers from London. We congratulate Joan. On April 29th, she'll be on QVC selling her jewelry products. It is her 15th anniversary on that network. Congratulations.

JOAN RIVERS, COMEDIAN: It's amazing. Amazing.

KING: Amazing. You (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

RIVERS: I started off 15 years ago -- well, you know, they came to me and said, do a few pieces and let's see what happens. And 15 years later, you're still doing it. We're now worldwide. It's wonderful.

KING: OK, what are you doing at the wedding? You are friends with Prince Charles? Give us a little history.

RIVERS: Oh, well, first of all, I've always -- since I've met both of them, they're just fabulous. And finally, it's really coming out now what they're like. And I met him through a mutual friend.

And we both paint. And I was lucky enough to be invited to paint with him in the South of France, which I've done. And he's just got a great sense of humor. And he always thinks I'm funny. So it started out that way.

And then I met the duchess now, and she's, again, got the same sense of humor. And she's head of osteoporosis in England; I'm head of it in the United States. And that was our connection. And we've always been -- not friendly, but friendly, you know. And -- they invited me.

KING: What was the invitation -- what was the invitation like?

RIVERS: Oh. Very simple. Very beautiful. It said "the archbishop of Canterbury --" let me just remember -- "is commanded -- the archbishop of Canterbury is commanded by the queen and the duke of Edinburgh to invite Ms. Joan Rivers to the wedding of." It was very simple. A little border of gold. And no Joan Rivers and escort, they -- one person. Simple. And then instructions inside.

KING: And how did they deal with -- how did they deal with the date change?

RIVERS: We were all called and asked, could we come the next day? And then everything is done so perfectly, Larry, you know. And then you got another ticket, called the duplicate, with the date changed and another stamp on it.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Nadezhda Edvardovna on December 14, 2006, 11:22:21 AM
KING: Were you a little nervous about going to this?

RIVERS: A little nervous? Insane. What do you wear? You don't want to look over the top. You don't know, should you wear your good pin, should you -- I was hysterical. Melissa and I for weeks and Blaine Trump, my very good friend, I mean, everyone was just in there helping me what to wear, what not to wear.

And I picked something. Now I'm a little sorry, because I could have gone a little wilder. I wore a plain...

KING: Now, you didn't go to the -- you didn't go to the civil ceremony, right?

RIVERS: No, no.

KING: You went to the thing where the queen went.

RIVERS: The service of prayer and dedication, which is really the big ceremony. That's where the 700-odd guests went. And that was in St. George's Chapel.

And I don't know how I got this. I mean, I must have been very good in a previous life. I was in the front row. I mean, I got one of the best seats in the house. They were all assigned. And I was sitting there, and across from me was the duchess of so-and-so and the earl of this-and-that, and foo, foo, foo, foo, foo, and me. It was great, it was great. It was beautiful. It was perfect.

KING: How do you -- how do you, a little kid out of New York, a Jewish kid out of -- how do you deal with royalty?

RIVERS: I think the way I deal with them, truly, is -- I just say what I think, the way I do with everybody. But you always couch it. I know with Prince Charles, because with him, I always say, excuse me for saying this, sir, but she's a pig. You know? And he just thinks that's hilarious. So that's how we get along.

KING: What's your honest read on Camilla's dress?

RIVERS: Which one? They were all -- the second one was so beautiful. And it billowed. And when she knelt, it billowed out behind. It was gorgeous. She looked gorgeous. She looked amazing. The best I have ever, ever, ever seen her. There was no question. She looked regal. She looked like a duchess. And she looked beautiful, and she was thin. She's lost about 20 pounds.

And also, she was -- they were so happy. The whole place was so happy. I've never been to a wedding like that in my life, where everybody -- you know, you usually go to a wedding, and half of them are businesspeople, they're going, congratulations, can we get out of here now? Everybody was totally thrilled for them. It was all friends. It was family and friends. It was a wonderful gathering.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Nadezhda Edvardovna on December 14, 2006, 11:23:16 AM
KING: What about William and Harry? Were they happy?

RIVERS: It was -- they were so happy. And I was telling friends that it came out in the paper, so I'm not telling tales. They were the ones that soaped the car. They were the ones. It was a very -- a couple of very touching moments. And they wrote "prince and duchess" on the front, and "C heart C" and "Just married." And they put the balloons on the car. They're thrilled for their father. They have always loved him. They adore him. And they love her.

And they did something so dear. The car was in like an oval, and you had to drive kind of an oval exit to get out. And the car started driving, and they ran across the lawn and banged on the car and were waving good-bye. It was great.

KING: What did you wear?

RIVERS: I wore -- and I paid retail for everything, so I'm very pitched about it -- I wore no -- only Fred Leighton lent me jewelry. I wore Joan River jewelry and Fred Leighton. Good combo. I wore a hat, a beautiful hat by a woman named Suezette (ph), who did quite well for six stupid feathers. I wore a Dolce & Gabbana suit, Manolo Blahniks. I was pulled together.

KING: We'll pull it together some more with Joan Rivers. We'll take a break and come right back. Joan Rivers, fresh from the wedding of Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles, and still on a high from it.

KING: I think we just saw you. What's with all the hats?

RIVERS: Well, everybody wore a hat. I think you may have seen me. I grabbed a -- it was so cold, I grabbed a red shawl to go in. There's not a bird left in Britain with a feather. Everybody was wearing the most beautiful hats -- Tweetie Bird was hiding, you know, like -- and the women looked spectacular. It was like ascot with class, you know? Everybody looked great.

KING: Did you talk to either the Prince -- did you talk to the Prince or Camilla?

RIVERS: I spoke to all of them. They did something -- it was truly -- and it's so hard to say with 750 people. It was like a really -- a gathering of friends and family. So, there was no reception line. And they just kind of were there. And you literally just walked over to them to speak to -- I spoke to them, both of them, and to the queen. It was amazing.

KING: What was the thing with the buses?

RIVERS: And they were beaming.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Nadezhda Edvardovna on December 14, 2006, 11:24:02 AM
KING: What was with the buses?

RIVERS: Well, the buses -- it's 2005. And they put us all in a parking lot and then they bused us up to Windsor. And so it was hilarious to see all these ladies, all dressed up, going into the buses. And to see Princess Anne in the back of a bus going, hello. You know they've never been in a bus before. It was great.

KING: Let's take a call for Joan. Baltimore, Maryland, hello.

Caller: First of all, I'm a huge fan of Camilla's. Now that they are married...

RIVERS: Oh, me, too.

Caller: ...do you feel that the public will see how beautiful and down-to-earth Camilla really is?

RIVERS: Oh, I'm so glad that you are, a, a fan. There's no question. It is already changing in the press. She did something at her wedding -- she's been corresponding with three little girls who like horses for nine years. You know? And she invited them to the wedding, these three little girls from Wales. And she stood there in the midst of all this and was leaning over and talking to them and laughing with them. She's an extraordinary woman. I'm crazed for her. I think it is all going to turn around now.

KING: What gift did you give them?

RIVERS: Well, you know, I wanted to give them a George Foreman grill. And they wouldn't let me bring it -- I got the big one that you get like the French fry attachment, the whole thing. And you're not allowed to bring gifts. So I brought -- I thought, a very nice Jell-o mold in the shape of the Statue of Liberty.

KING: Were they listed anywhere?

RIVERS: Not in Crate & Barrel, because I checked. No, you don't know what to give them. But you know, they are starting out. And it's been 33 years, and they are going into their own new home. They've redone I think it's Clarence House. So I guess, not that they need anything, you know. But I think it would be nice to send them something. So I'm thinking what would they like. They have a lot of pets. I may get a commission of one of their dogs and have it painted. I think that they would like that. I don't know.

KING: Joan, on a serious note, with the death of Princess Di and the revelation about their affair, how were they able to overcome that?

RIVERS: Well, you know -- and I met Princess Di and she was a charming woman and the whole thing. But she was also -- everyone forgets, as I said on your show once before, she was sleeping around. We all know this. There were many affairs when she was married to him. This was not a girl sitting there. This was a girl going, tsk, tsk, call me later. I think leave her alone already. It's enough. I think they were so vilified and it wasn't right. This is like his old high school sweetheart that he's finally married. And I think it's over and people see, the children love her, the queen was smiling, the queen was funny. Enough. Enough. It's 20-odd years. We've forgiven O.J....

KING: Are you planning to live in London, Joan? You're spending so much time there.

RIVERS: Well, I'm spending time because I have a wonderful show that's just been renewed, "The Joan Rivers Position." And so no, of course not. Of course not. Unless they ask me. But I do love it here. Edgar was English. Everyone forgets that Edgar, my husband, was English.

KING: That's right. Joan, thanks so much for sharing this time with us...

RIVERS: And my accent fits in.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on January 03, 2007, 11:33:34 PM
TRH The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall to visit the US january 27th & 28th:

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/

click mediacentre.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: lexi4 on January 04, 2007, 06:23:06 PM
Great photos! Thank you all.  I think the Duchess is striking.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on January 29, 2007, 08:45:14 AM
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Britain's Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall Camilla Parker-Bowles view the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia on Saturday, Jan. 27, 2007.(AP Photo/Tom Mihalek, Pool)

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Britain's Duchess of Cornwall Camilla Parker-Bowles, Prince Charles and an unidentified official escort review a ceremonial guard as they walk to the entrance of Independence Hall in Philadelphia on Saturday, Jan. 27, 2007, the site where American colonists declared their independence from the British monarchy more than two centuries ago(AP Photo/Tom Mihalek, Pool)

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Britain's Prince Charles, and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, visit Philadelphia's Mural Arts Program's mural titled "Reading: A Journey" in Philadelphia, Saturday, Jan. 27, 2007. The Prince and Duchess arrived in the U.S. Friday, and will travel by train to New York City on Sunday where the Prince will receive the award of Global Environmental citizen, from former U.S. vice president Al Gore. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on January 29, 2007, 08:50:10 AM
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Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales, right, and Camilla the Duchess of Cornwall pick up brushes and contribute to a mural of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. while visiting the Philadelphia Mural Arts Project at Heavenly Hall Saturday, January 27, 2007 in Philadelphia. (AP Photo/Chip Somodevilla, Pool)

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Joseph Torsella, left, President of the National Constitution Center, guides Prince Charles and his wife Carmilla at Signers' Hall, a stylized evocation of the Assembly Room where the signers of the Constitution met on September 17, 1787, at the National Constitution Center. The room is occupied by life-size and lifelike bronze statues of the 39 delegates who signed the Constitution as well as the three who dissented, Saturday, Jan. 27, 2007 in Philadelphia. (AP Photo/Akira Suwa, Pool) 

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Camilla Parker-Bowles, the Dutchess of Cornwall, touches a bronze statue at the Nation Constitution Center during a visit to Philadelphia on Saturday, Jan. 27, 2007. Prince Charles and his wife Camilla mixed historic sightseeing with an inner-city art tour and gospel music Saturday during their whirlwind three-day swing through Philadelphia. (AP Photo/Pool, Joseph Kaczmarek)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on January 29, 2007, 08:54:50 AM
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Britain's Prince Charles and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, acknowledge the audience before the Academy of Music's 150th Anniversary Concert in Philadelphia, Saturday, Jan. 27, 2007. The Prince and Duchess arrived in the U.S. Friday, and will travel by train to New York City on Sunday where the Prince will receive the award of Global Environmental citizen, from former U.S. vice president Al Gore. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke, Pool)

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Britain's Prince Charles, left, places his hand on philanthropist Leonore Annenberg after he gave her an award as Gov. Ed Rendell looks on before the Academy of Music's 150th Anniversary Concert in Philadelphia, Saturday, Jan. 27, 2007. The Prince and Duchess arrived in the U.S. Friday, and will travel by train to New York City on Sunday where the Prince will receive the award of Global Environmental citizen, from former U.S. vice president Al Gore. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke, Pool)

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on January 29, 2007, 09:01:25 AM
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Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall greets performers after the Academy of Music's 150th Anniversary Concert in Philadelphia, Saturday, Jan. 27, 2007. The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall were in Philadelphia to help celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Academy of Music. (AP Photo/POOL - Steven M. Falk - Philadelphia Daily News)

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Charles, Prince of Wales and his wife Camilla visit the Heavenly Hall Church in West Philadelphia, Pa., on Saturday, Jan. 27, 2007. The royal couple are on a two-day visit to the United States that focuses on youth development, urban renewal and environmental stewardship. (AP Photo/ David Maialetti, Pool)

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Youngsters react on the baksetball court after Prince Charles, center, scored a basket during a tour of the Harlem Childrens Zone in New York, Sunday, Jan. 28, 2007. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on January 29, 2007, 09:08:12 AM
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Britain's Prince Charles, 3rd right, and his wife Camilla, 2nd right, Duchess of Cornwall, with New York State Lt. Governor David Paterson, right, watch Trevor Campbell (on floor) and other students rehearsing Shakespeare's, "A Midsummer Night's Dream" during a visit the Harlem Children's Zone in New York, Sunday, Jan. 28, 2007. Prince Charles arrived by private train with his wife, Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, to New York to visit a Harlem charter school and receive an award for his work on behalf of the environment. (AP Photo/Pool, Stan Honda)

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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on January 29, 2007, 09:10:07 AM
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Charles, Prince of Wales, right meets Rod Stewart in Philadelphia to help celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Academy of Music, Saturday, Jan. 27, 2007. (AP Photo/Beverly Schaefer, Pool)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: palimpsest on January 29, 2007, 09:21:56 AM
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Charles, Prince of Wales, right greets actress Meryl Streep as he arrives at the Harvard Club in New York, Sunday, Jan. 28, 2007. (AP Photo/Mike Segar, Pool)

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Charles, Prince of Wales, 2nd left, is presented the Global Environmental Citizen Award by former U.S. Vice President Al Gore and actress Meryl Streep at the Harvard Club in New York, Sunday, Jan. 28, 2007. Dr. Eric Chivian, director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School, stands at left. (AP Photo/Mike Segar, Pool)

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A cocktail reception is held at the Harvard Club of New York before an awards banquet where Charles, Prince of Wales, was given the Harvard Medical School Center for Health and the Global Environment's 10th Anniversary Global Environmental Citizen Award Sunday, Jan. 28, 2007 in New York. The Prince received the the award for his outstanding work towards protecting the global environment. (AP Photo/Pool, Chip Somodevilla)



Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 29, 2007, 11:43:34 AM
Anyone catch them in either one of the cities this past weekend? I have a story from the local paper about their visit, so if anyone is interested in reading it, let me know and I can post it here, along with the photos. I work in Philly and was actually at work on Saturday, but I forgot about it and didn't even try to go  8).

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on January 29, 2007, 03:59:45 PM
 Helen A can you please post it Im interested in Charles and Camilla visiting Philly and New York. :o
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: grandduchessella on January 29, 2007, 05:41:11 PM
There's been talk, and a number of photos, of their visit in both the Duchess of Cornwall and Prince of Wales threads.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Janet on January 29, 2007, 05:55:59 PM
Anyone catch them in either one of the cities this past weekend? I have a story from the local paper about their visit, so if anyone is interested in reading it, let me know and I can post it here, along with the photos. I work in Philly and was actually at work on Saturday, but I forgot about it and didn't even try to go  8).

Susan  at The Unofficial Royal Family Forum posted about her encounter in Philidelphia:
http://www.etoile.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4975
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 29, 2007, 06:50:51 PM
Helen A can you please post it Im interested in Charles and Camilla visiting Philly and New York. :o

Ok, I will try to post it tomorrow.

Susan  at The Unofficial Royal Family Forum posted about her encounter in Philidelphia:
http://www.etoile.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4975

That was interesting, thanks!

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Helen_Azar on February 01, 2007, 09:35:39 AM
Here is the scanned Philadelphia article:

http://www.geocities.com/mushkah/RoyalsInPhilly.html
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on February 01, 2007, 09:54:51 AM
 Thanks !!!! Helen.  ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: damaskrose on February 11, 2007, 09:47:29 PM
I have heard they  stopped at Nathan's famous hot dog emporium right near Times Square!Charles enjoyed his dog with just mustard,while Cams went all out and had mustard ,relish AND onions!A few good-natured chuckles all around when some of the onions fell into the Duchesses ample cleavage ::)But it was all in good fun.Americans coast to coast are abuzz with the news of the visit :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Helen_Azar on February 12, 2007, 12:22:21 PM
The REAL original Nathan's Hot Dogs is in Coney Island, Brooklyn, not in Times Square! To be honest, I didn't even know there was a Nathan's in Times Square -  and I am a New Yorker - it must be one of those recent fake chain locations ( a la Star Bucks)...  :o  ;D. They were jipped  ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: damaskrose on February 12, 2007, 12:30:43 PM
Yes,a chain store,that's right!  ;)-D.M
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on February 19, 2007, 04:47:59 PM
TRH arriving in Kuwait tonight:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1171922645.html

courtesy Ademar,GREMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 02, 2007, 09:52:54 AM
Banja Luka,Bosnia yesterday:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1172774915.html

Courtesy Marianne,BRMB
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 09, 2007, 09:02:02 AM
To those of us with green fingers,HRH wrote a book about organic gardening:

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/newsandgallery/focus/hrh_writes_a_new_book_on_organic_gardening_1622381906.html

HRH yesterday:

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/newsandgallery/news/hrh_visits_robert_clack_school_and_a_prince_s_trust_project__1006506797.html

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/newsandgallery/gallery/the_prince_visits_robert_clack_school_and_a_prince_s_trust_p_1100493691_1890379208.html




Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 21, 2007, 12:20:43 PM
HRH out and about in Kent.

http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1174491295.html

Courtesy Marianne,BRMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on March 21, 2007, 12:36:19 PM
That's what you call a King-sized egg.   Any idea of its ancestry?

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 21, 2007, 01:38:29 PM
Might be a duck or goose egg Tsaria. I don't recall my chickens ever laying such large ones! But does depend on the breed...:)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 21, 2007, 07:12:28 PM
That's what you call a King-sized egg.   Any idea of its ancestry?

tsaria

A pedigree goose on the loose.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: basilforever on March 22, 2007, 11:14:24 AM
Some nice big pictures of the Prince of Wales 2006

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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: carl fraley on March 22, 2007, 11:31:09 AM
Ok this may be a stupid question but i've never come across it reading.  During the Reign of His Late Majesty King George VI, Since there was no Prince of Wales and the King didn't create HM QEII Princess of Wales, b/c as we know he specifically fealt the title was reserved for the Wife of the Prince of Wales... DID his Majesty Retain the Title of Duke of Cornwall & Rothesay?   

I know that HRH the Duke of Windsor took a lot of money with him or had already turned a lot of it over to HER Grace, The Duchess of Windsor from the Duchy of Cornwall that he had no right to do, but what happened to the Income from the Duchy of Cornwall during King George's reign?  Was it allowed to accumulate as it was during the minority of KIng Edward VII?  Did HM the King use it to offset having to buy back Sandringham & Balmoral and well as subsidize the outrageous lifestyle of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor?

In the absense of a Prince or Princess of Wales, Does the King or Queen (whoever the monarch is) have, or can they legally keep the Duchy of Cornwall Revenues for themselves?

Also, One more question... THe Duchies of Lancaster (Sovereign) and Cornwall (Heir) are totally independant from Parliment ? Am i wrong in thinking that?  Does parliment have any say in the 2 duchies handling?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 22, 2007, 02:25:43 PM
Not a stupid question at all, Carlfraley.  Wish I had more of an answer for you.
 But here goes with what I do have.  Which "Majesty" are you referring to in the Cornwall & Rothesay titles?  GVI never had them in the first place and EVIII lost them upon coming to the throne.  They therefore reverted to the crown for future bestowal but that does not mean the sovereign had them personally.
 The Duchy of Cornwall was notoriously badly run until QEII came to the throne. I think it may have even been a money-looser.  The Duke of Edinburgh took control of re-organising the royal estates into profit-making enterrprises and did the same with the Cornwall legacy, as I understand it. By the time Charles took possession it was pretty self-sufficient and profit-making. Because of good business management, it is even more so now. In any case, the income from Duchy profits is not disbursed, only the interest goes to the Prince of Wales.
 As for the parlaimentary control..over Cornwall & Lancaster.  As far as I know, as long as the status quo remains the same, Parlaiment cannot or does not interfer. However, Parlaiment may change the "status quo" at any time. This would require a pretty substantial majority as well as support from many sectors. The last time this was even hinted at was a request to see the Duchy accounts for purposes of auditing taxes [Cornwall].  That movement  swiftly  passed into oblivion, it did not have government support.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: carl fraley on March 22, 2007, 05:42:05 PM
Yeah I guess i could have worded that a little better.  I meant to say did they revert to "limbo" during the Reign of His Majesty King George.   

Didn't King Edward VIII actually take some of the capital that belonged to the Duchy?

I still would like to know what happened to the revenue during King George's Reign?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 22, 2007, 05:51:03 PM
From what I have gathered- the income remained stagnant, what there was of it.  EVIII ceased to procure any assets from the Duchy upon becoming king. So there was nothing for him to take.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: carl fraley on March 22, 2007, 07:49:20 PM
I'm at work right now and can't put my hand on the book, but I think it's a Sarah Bradford book, and in it she states that King Edward VIII made over certain funds to Wallis before he married her from the Capital of the Duchy of Cornwall that he wasn't entitled to.. (like i said I think, I'll have to find the book tonight).

But what's to stop the King from drawing from the Funds of the Duchy if there is NO prince or Princess of Wales?

Didn't Prince Albert use money from the Duchy of Cornwall to buy the Oringinal Sandringham Estate for the Minor Prince Edward (King Edward VII).?? Did he have to get permission from say the Queen???
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: carl fraley on March 22, 2007, 08:32:02 PM
I'm still at work but I did find the answer to one of my questions :

http://www.duchyofcornwall.org/faqs.htm
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: basilforever on March 23, 2007, 05:13:45 AM
Quote
But what's to stop the King from drawing from the Funds of the Duchy if there is NO prince or Princess of Wales?

Princess of Wales? Like  a regnant Princess of Wales? No, that has never happened and will never happen, the title is for male heirs only.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on March 23, 2007, 06:09:59 AM
if I was the Queen and my daughter was heir her title would  be "The Princess Royal of Wales"!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: basilforever on March 23, 2007, 06:20:21 AM
 ;)Well as Queen you could do what you want, but when a Princess is the heir as Elizabeth was to George VI, she cannot by tradition and protocol be either Princess Royal or Princess of Wales.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Prince_Lieven on March 23, 2007, 11:36:10 AM
Technically an eldest daughter who is an heir could be made Princess Royal, as long as another woman holding the title wasn't alive. It wouldn't be traditional though - usually the princess royal title is given to a princess who isn't likely to become queen.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on March 24, 2007, 05:33:13 AM
A female heir apparent should have a title equal to a male heir apparent.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Prince_Lieven on March 24, 2007, 07:43:41 AM
Yes, I agree, but Britain has never had a female heir apparent in it's history, except for the future Queen Anne (she was deemed William III and Mary II's successor in the even of their childlessness by act of parliament) and she already had a title - princess of Denmark. It has had plenty of female heir presumptives though - the objection to giving them a particular title is that there is always the chance they will be displaced in the succession by a boy. In Spain (I think) a female heir presumptive was title 'Princess of the Asturias' and the title revoked if a boy displaced her.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: basilforever on March 24, 2007, 09:45:55 AM
A female heir apparent should have a title equal to a male heir apparent.

TampaBay

Yes I kind of agree, but nothing is really equal with regards to the way titles are given out and inherited in the British Royalty and aristocracy, so this particular situation (having a female heir apparent) can't be expected to be. I think a good idea of making a female heir apparent (say if there is no chance of a son being born to the King and Queen) would be to make her ''Crown Princess'', rather than ''Princess of Wales'' beause that is such an ancient title which has always belonged only to the wife of the Prince of Wales, and I don't think that should change. And the Princess Royal title is often taken for someone else, and I just always think of that as being the title of the eldest daughter of the Monarch who is definitely not the heir to the throne.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on April 19, 2007, 02:20:48 PM
New portrait released yesterday:

http://www.princeofwales.co.uk/newsandgallery/focus/index.html

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on April 19, 2007, 02:41:24 PM
I couldn't get the link that Lucien posted to work but I found this one:

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/newsandgallery/focus/a_portrait_of_the_prince_of_wales_in_black_watch_uniform_is__2083907986.html

(I hope it is the same picture)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on May 23, 2007, 03:33:12 PM
The Prince of Wales at the Royal College of Music yesterday.

http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1179904297.html

courtesy Marianne,BRMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 11, 2007, 08:51:45 PM
This thread says "Pictures of the Prince of Wales" but I couldn't find another thread on him alone so:

Exciting news from the Prince of Wales:

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/newsandgallery/focus/the_prince_of_wales_appoints_a_new_official_harpist_1846786674.html

 ;D

(I think Harps are nice but...offical harpist isn't that a bit much)
[No offense intended to harpists]

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on June 14, 2007, 02:26:28 AM
Penelope and the Prince:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1181805587.html

Courtesy Marianne,BRMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on June 15, 2007, 03:08:08 PM
HRH today:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1181921839.html

Courtesy Marianne,BRMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on June 17, 2007, 10:57:27 AM
TRH today:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1182094981.html

Courtesy Marianne,BRMB
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on June 17, 2007, 11:21:24 AM
My goodness Lucien, you are so quick - I've only just stopped watching this on television.

I think the Duke of New Jersey is right.   We need to resurrect the 'Horrible Hats' thread.   The Duchess of Cornwall's hat is horrendous.   My goodness, this ceremony took place in the middle of the day.  What made her think she needed a headlamp?

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 17, 2007, 11:28:24 AM
I don't know why but the pictures on Lucien's last link doesn't work (for me atleast).  ???

Yes, these hats are quite horrible, where (and why!) do they get them!

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on June 18, 2007, 06:49:59 AM
My goodness Lucien, you are so quick - I've only just stopped watching this on television.

I think the Duke of New Jersey is right.   We need to resurrect the 'Horrible Hats' thread.   The Duchess of Cornwall's hat is horrendous.   My goodness, this ceremony took place in the middle of the day.  What made her think she needed a headlamp?

tsaria

http://www.ppe-agency.com/preview.php?start=0&id=14871&zoektype=2&search=17-06-2007%20London
"Tsaria dear,what's wrong with my headlamp?...". ::)

Some more from yesterdays event.
http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=17-06-2007%20London

Courtesy PPE/Albert Nieboer.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on June 18, 2007, 07:03:43 AM
Great pic Lucien.   Looks like she's playing 'Aunt Sally'.   One 'ball' has landed on her hat, while she plans catching the next in her mouth.

Sorry, but the hat is all wrong.   For starters - it looks far, far too heavy for her frame and appears to be weighing it down.   I do think the navy and white ensemble is fresh and pleasing (pity the nicely pleated, crisp, white, linen jacket looks crushed)  - obviously worn as a foil to her husband's Admiral of the Fleet uniform.

Does anyone else think the Prince of Wales would be completely lost if he didn't have a right forefinger?

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: grandduchessella on June 26, 2007, 02:20:36 PM
From the Huffington Post: Charles Becomes Carbon Neutral

LONDON — Fewer chartered planes, more train trips and a royal Jaguar that runs on cooking oil have helped Prince Charles achieve a carbon-neutral household, an annual review of the prince's accounts said Tuesday. The annual review by the prince's Clarence House office said Charles cut his annual carbon emissions by 9 percent, to 3,775 tons, between April 1, 2006 and March 31 of this year. The prince offset those emissions by investing in an agency that promotes tree planting and sustainable energy projects. The review said the prince's households, the Highgrove estate in western England, where he farms organically, as well as Clarence House in London and Birkhall in Scotland, and the activities of Charles and his wife Camilla were now carbon neutral.

The report, printed on recycled paper in vegetable-based ink, said the prince had reduced the number of plane and helicopter journeys he takes, introduced green electricity at Highgrove, and converted his Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles to run on biodiesel fuel from used cooking oil. Plans also are being discussed to convert the royal train to biodiesel fuel, said the prince's principal private secretary, Sir Michael Peat.....Charles was criticized earlier this year for flying to New York ...but Peat said the prince used carbon offsetting, funding the planting of trees or other activities that remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, to balance the effects of his air travel.

The total cost of offsetting the prince's carbon emissions for one year was about $60,000, the review said. "We continue to look at the most effective, appropriate way in which to offset," Peat said. "I'm sure we'll develop and revise the way we offset as we go on. But we're doing it the best way we can at the moment."
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on June 26, 2007, 05:17:21 PM
Tonight there is a claim that the Prince of Wales' household is understaffed - with no fewer than 135 persons.   

One wonders how many times a day he brushes his teeth.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on June 26, 2007, 05:58:48 PM
There is now an added problem for Charles' staff as they squeeze his toothpaste onto his brush for him...have you noticed the new toothbrushes don't rest upright any more?  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on June 26, 2007, 06:11:17 PM
Tonight there is a claim that the Prince of Wales' household is understaffed - with no fewer than 135 persons.   

One wonders how many times a day he brushes his teeth.

tsaria

Is this Personal Saff, PoW Staff, XYZ staff or all people total who derive their paycheck from the Charles?

If this is the total people on his staff including everyone high and low then I do not find it excessive.

If this just personal staff (valet, housekeepers, grounds keepers, shoe shine boys, etc. etc.) then I find it excessive.


TampaBay
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on June 27, 2007, 04:31:06 AM
Come on Tampa - how many does it take to run your household?   

And another little gem from yesterday's figures - the Prince of Wales is just about managing to run his life and household solely on his Duchy income of £15,000,000 ($30,000,000) per annum.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on June 27, 2007, 05:28:17 AM
Come on Tampa - how many does it take to run your household?   

And another little gem from yesterday's figures - the Prince of Wales is just about managing to run his life and household solely on his Duchy income of £15,000,000 ($30,000,000) per annum.

tsaria

tsaria,

I said if it was just personal staff I found it excessive.

I only have one home, four cars and no horses unlike the Prince who has two homes, a zillion cars and two zillion horses.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Kimberly on June 27, 2007, 05:30:19 AM
And some rotton carrots ;D ;D
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464448&in_page_id=1770 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464448&in_page_id=1770)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 27, 2007, 05:36:35 AM
  ;D ;D

I bet it had nothing to do with the quality of the carrots, greedy Sainsburys just found a cheaper supplier no doubt. ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on June 27, 2007, 06:45:09 AM
You have FOUR cars Tampa...   Goodness, your carbon footprint must be almost as big as the Prince of Wales'.    You don't even have a few tons of rotten carrots with which to offset that!

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on June 27, 2007, 08:15:10 AM
Some joined up thinking ought to be applied to the problem of the Prince of Wales and his carrots.

When Sainsbury's return the offending carrots, these should be fed to the 'zillions' of horses.   Then, after a suitable period of time elapses and the horses 'process' said carrots, the product can be spread on the Duchy's fields of embryonic carrots thus ensuring, not only irresistible organic carrots, but an added bonus of some minimisation of the Prince's HUGE carbon footprint.   

Reprocessing isn't that what it is called?

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on June 27, 2007, 11:50:09 AM
Come on Tampa - how many does it take to run your household?   

And another little gem from yesterday's figures - the Prince of Wales is just about managing to run his life and household solely on his Duchy income of £15,000,000 ($30,000,000) per annum.

tsaria

That is quite simply obscene.

With current levels of low income and poverty in the UK, such information makes me want to turn republican. 

We hear so many tales of the Edwardian splendour of Charles's court that I find it simply laughable to read that his Household is understaffed and that his income only 'just' manages to support that immense crowd of yes men and toothbrush wielders.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on June 27, 2007, 01:34:02 PM
Yes, and on top of the record £15.1 million personal income raised by the Duchy of Cornwall last year, the Prince of Wales also received in excess of £2,000,000 in 'government grants' (British tax payers) - an increase of 28%.   He even managed to write off £41,000 spent on his Highgrove garden, arguing that he sometimes entertains 'members of the public' there.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: HerrKaiser on June 27, 2007, 04:01:24 PM
Yes, I agree, but Britain has never had a female heir apparent in it's history, except for the future Queen Anne (she was deemed William III and Mary II's successor in the even of their childlessness by act of parliament) and she already had a title - princess of Denmark. It has had plenty of female heir presumptives though - the objection to giving them a particular title is that there is always the chance they will be displaced in the succession by a boy. In Spain (I think) a female heir presumptive was title 'Princess of the Asturias' and the title revoked if a boy displaced her.


Question about the line of succession, and very hypothetically........

If QV's sons and their sons had somehow cataclismically been lost and Vicky became heir presumptive after she had married Fritz, would she still have ultimately become queen in her own right even though she was empress of Germany at the same time? Or, did her marriage nullify any claims to the British throne?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Arleen on June 27, 2007, 07:59:15 PM
Prince Charles actually did something grand today....I was just reading in tomorrow's Daily Mail that he and "others" put up $45 Million and saved Dumfries House in Scotland.  It was to be auctioned off later this month.

He guaranteed $20 Million of his own trust so that it could be saved and opened as a museum in Scotland.
This pleases me very much......(now if he would only keep C from wearing Diana's jewels I might like him a lot better......)

Ar;een
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 27, 2007, 08:20:53 PM
Prince Charles is a champion for British heritage. He has my utmost respect in that.  ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 28, 2007, 02:11:52 AM
(now if he would only keep C from wearing Diana's jewels I might like him a lot better......)


Arleen dear, let's get it right. It WASN'T Dianas Jewellery!!!! Diana was privileged enough to borrow it, now it's Camiillas turn. I've always been taught to share.  :D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 28, 2007, 02:20:33 AM
It is jarring to most Diana fans I agree... ???
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on June 28, 2007, 05:04:56 AM
Share!!! - at any price, Eddieboy?   I can think of many things I would not wish to share - now, where to begin, that's the problem.   However, its better to think of things I would prefer to share.

I would love to have been able to share in the purchase of Dumfries House for the nation, but unlike the Prince of Wales, I am miles away from that kind of financial freedom.   

It is interesting this news is revealed on the same day as we discover that the Prince of Wales does pay tax, but at the lowest level - that is equivalent to those on an annual income of £5,000 - £15,000 - at 20%.   But for Charles that is THROUGHOUT his income.   His contribution towards securing the future of Dumfries House will be written off against even this pawltry tax contribution.   In actual fact this generous gesture will cost him next to nothing.   But, hey, its better than nothing.

tsaria   
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on June 28, 2007, 05:33:51 AM
Oh let's not go there with sharing.........after all, Camilla must have gotten well used to it over the years.

The Prince's commitment to architectural heritage is laudable; his inabilty to pay tax as the rest of us have to is less so.  Wealth brings responsibilty and in this country, the gap between 'haves' and 'have nots' is still unacceptably wide.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on June 28, 2007, 05:50:43 AM
.... AND, ironically, thanks to NEW (but now getting a bit worn) Labour, the gap is getting wider.   There was a tv programme (which I missed) devoted to the tens of thousands of Russian millionaires flooding London, buying everything in sight - from Hermes to Hamleys - next will be Harrods, they've already bought its contents.   This is thanks to the tax breaks offered to them - but what about US, Mr Brown?    Now, will prime minister Brown change this.   Doubtful, since he created it.

Interestingly Mr Brown's audience with the Queen lasted almost one hour.   Mr (and Mrs) Blair's - 25 minutes.   I wonder if Sarah Brown bent her knee?   Cherie Blair's big, fat, stiff knees,(my comment) it is said, amused H.M.   In my opinion, Sarah Brown is her husband's greatest asset.

Did anyone notice how when the Blairs arrived and departed the palace, Cherie kissed the equerry AND Lady Susan Hussey on both occasions!    Strange behaviour from such an avowed republican, but not totally surprising given that the IRA (of which she once was a self-acclaimed supporter) is now part of the establishment.

Sorry (almost) totally off-topic - discussion of the PoW fits quite snuggly with the 'haves and have nots' - but where else is there to express this?

tsaria   
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on June 28, 2007, 06:04:52 AM
So Blair is out of office or just walking towards the door?  Did the PoW get along with Blair?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on June 28, 2007, 06:23:48 AM
Yes, Blair has gone.

You really need a sense of humour to appreciate this one.   George Bush has been instrumental in finding a new role for Tony the Phoney.

With the, albeit very delayed, agreement of the European Community and Russia, Mr Tony Blair is the Middle East's new PEACE envoy.   No, this is not a send-up.   This is TRUE.   To coin a phrase - you couldn't write this stuff.

Did the Prince of Wales and Tony Blair get on - I don't know.   For some reason Tony Blair hates the countryside (isn't that rather odd, but both he and his wife loathe the countryside) so that's not a subject that would induce conversation.

To get on with the Prince of Wales - in a social sense - the requirements are 'old' money, passion for country pursuits, and making him feel good.

tsaria

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on June 28, 2007, 10:55:08 AM
That's a really good question as to how the POW and Blair got on.  I don't really have much idea about that but wasn't Blair quite helpful to the Prince in the matter of his second marriage?

I'm sure that Blair was perfectly skilled at massageing the Prince's ego, but it would be interesting to know the Prince's private thioughts about him......
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 28, 2007, 07:50:15 PM
That could be in a later book about Charles... ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: grandduchessella on June 28, 2007, 08:31:34 PM
I had read an article about the Dumfries House yesterday but now can't find it. It had a cabinet in it that I just knew Martyn would love!  ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 28, 2007, 11:17:07 PM
Really ? I would liked to have seen it too.... :P
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: grandduchessella on June 28, 2007, 11:59:22 PM
Found it--it was in the Daily Mail piece:

(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_03/Bed2606_468x274.jpg)

FOUR-POSTER BED, Est: £500,000, The most expensive item in Chippendale's commission for Lord Dumfries, It cost £90, FLEMISH CABINET, Est: £40,000, C18th, ornately decorated in crystal and semi-precious inlaid stones

also:

(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_03/Book2606_468x310.jpg)

ROSEWOOD BOOKCASE, Est: £4 million, A Chippendale masterpiece, made for Lady Dumfries' bedroom in the reign of George II
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 29, 2007, 02:33:02 AM
Wow !!! Really nice !!! Thanks... :o :o :o
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on June 29, 2007, 03:43:25 AM
You are right GDElla, I love that cabinet!  Perfect for one's collection of intaglios and curios....( if one had one of course!  ;))

The bed is stupendous - just the kind that I like.  Many thanks for the glorious pictures; I shall endeavour to find out about this house that Pce Charles has very gallantly helped to save for future generations.

On another note, the Prince tours South Yorkshire today to visit the many paople who have been so terribly affected by the floods of last week.  South Yorks is a very deprived area on the whole, only just coming round from the devastation of its local industries (mining and steel).  These people have been hit very hard and feelings are running high, which Hilary Benn, the new Environment Minister, discovered to his cost when he toured the area yesterday.

I am sure that the Prince will receive a much warmer reception today, and that his genuine concern will be appreciated by the local populace.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on June 29, 2007, 06:22:47 AM
The Prince of Wales' care and concern for this world and what it contains is commendable.  His activities in this regard extend well beyond the UK.

For years, in this country, he has endured mockery - as a 'traditionalist', for talking to his plants, for his passion in architecture and in ecology, his interest in, and use of, alternative medicines.   If you ask me, in all those respects, he has been a man ahead of his time.

The problem comes when theory and practice get a bit confused as they have done recently with the analysis of the Prince's 'carbon footprint'.   Of course this is complete and utter nonsense.   Which ever way the Prince of Wales leads his life will have no impact whatsoever on whether or not the Gulf Stream will switch off, for example.   But he has, unwittingly, set himself up for this kind of criticism.

However, what must not be overlooked is what he has done in using his posistion to heighten awareness of the many dangers which surround us - whether they be the breakup of  supreme works of art and craftsmanship as exemplified in  Dumfries House, the maintenance of a simple croft in the Outer Hebrides, the restoration of a monastery caste in the wastes of the Arctic Ocean, the destruction of the Amazonian canopy... and so on - the world needs someone like him not just to remind us, but hopefully to jog teh rest of us into some action - and it doesn't matter how small.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on July 01, 2007, 02:32:02 AM
HRH visited flood victims friday:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1183211288.html

Courtesy Marianne,BRMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 02, 2007, 08:26:35 PM
I think HRH has good intentions and insticts...If he only listens to them more instead of others... :(
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: HerrKaiser on July 05, 2007, 06:06:25 PM
Yes, I agree, but Britain has never had a female heir apparent in it's history, except for the future Queen Anne (she was deemed William III and Mary II's successor in the even of their childlessness by act of parliament) and she already had a title - princess of Denmark. It has had plenty of female heir presumptives though - the objection to giving them a particular title is that there is always the chance they will be displaced in the succession by a boy. In Spain (I think) a female heir presumptive was title 'Princess of the Asturias' and the title revoked if a boy displaced her.

Question about the line of succession, and very hypothetically........

If QV's sons and their sons had somehow cataclismically been lost and Vicky became heir presumptive after she had married Fritz, would she still have ultimately become queen in her own right even though she was empress of Germany at the same time? Or, did her marriage nullify any claims to the British throne?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 05, 2007, 07:52:09 PM
 ???
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on July 06, 2007, 04:01:54 AM
HRH at Toll Bar.
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1183642238.html

At the Foreign Office.
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1183656255.html

Courtesy Marianne,BRMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 06, 2007, 04:34:10 AM
Thanks for the links... ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on July 06, 2007, 04:36:24 AM
Good for the Prince of Wales - his second visit in a week to those poor souls.   Already political pundits are referring to the flooding of central and north east of England as 'Brown's Katrina'.   (Gordon Brown, the new prime minister - the Bush-free zone).

So far as British politicians are concerned, the UK stops north at Watford.   If flooding of this dimension had occurred in Chiswick and/or Chelsea, a national disaster would have been declared (a bit like New Orleans as opposed to Washington DC).   

One criticism of the Prince of Wales visit to the flood victims - when will someone persuade him that oilskins (on their modern equivalent) and waders are more appropriate clothing for such conditions than a Saville Row suit, impeccably cut collar and tie, all finished off with gleaming Oxfords?

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 06, 2007, 05:02:05 AM
Hard to expect an old goat to change overnite...really ?  ???
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on July 06, 2007, 05:27:19 AM
Why not?   He has listened and learned - that's why he made his way to these flood stricken areas in the first instance.   Just one more step.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 06, 2007, 09:00:36 PM
I mean the clothes...I think it would shock people to see Charles in a tee shirt that reads "Palace Rocks !"  ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: grandduchessella on July 06, 2007, 10:19:37 PM
Why not?   He has listened and learned - that's why he made his way to these flood stricken areas in the first instance.   Just one more step.

tsaria

Years ago, I think around 1987-88, he and Diana visited flood victims (in Wales?) and I think he wore waders then. I could be mistaken though. It would seem odd, though, if he did to get it right then and wrong later on.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 06, 2007, 11:09:06 PM
Maybe Diana made him wore that ? I believe the older one's get, they lump back into styles and things they liked best. Savil Row is what Charles loves and what he will continue to wear.  ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on July 07, 2007, 06:34:44 AM
I mean the clothes...I think it would shock people to see Charles in a tee shirt that reads "Palace Rocks !"  ;D

He wore what!!!!  Do you have a picture?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: dmitri on July 07, 2007, 11:26:09 AM
I have seen him do many good deeds. I do feel though now it is time for him to ride off into the sunset with his Duchess.  He will be 60 next year. I hope they will retire and have many years of happiness together out of the limelight. I believe the best hopes for the continuation of the monarchy rest after the death of Queen Elizabeth II with Prince William. It is 2007 now. Whenever The Queen dies, and I hope it is not for a very long time, it will not be suitable to have an old man becoming King for the first time. Times have changed since Edward VII succeeded his mother Queen Victoria. I doubt whether the public will accept Charles. His time has been and come. He has had the good fortune or perhaps misfortune of having a mother with strong genes. He has not had to endure the burdens of being monarch as she had to from the age of 25. He should be thankful for that.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 07, 2007, 11:56:50 PM
We have to wait and see how it will all turn up.  ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: dmitri on July 08, 2007, 07:31:26 AM
As I have said it would be good for Charles to give way for his son. He is sadly out of touch in some ways and his wearing a suit on a visit to flood areas shows this. Most would wear wellington boots, jeans and some sort of wet weather gear. One has to wonder whether his visit achieved anything at all. Some financial assistance would have been much better. Instead his visit probably just cost money that would have been better spent in other more useful ways.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 08, 2007, 11:42:28 AM
I don't think Charles should step aside in favour of William. He is in the line of succession and has just as much right to reign.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 08, 2007, 12:54:19 PM
As has been mentioned elsewhere on this forum, Charles cannot just step aside and  "ride off into the sunset" as much as I would like to seem him do so. It is a Parlaimentary matter.  First, he cannot abdicate from something he does not have [the throne] and secondly, he cannot give it up if he does get it unless Parlaiment approves. Thridly, is is presumputious to speculate  whilst the Queen is still alive.  Veddy bad taste, don't cha know?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on July 08, 2007, 05:42:17 PM
As I have said it would be good for Charles to give way for his son. He is sadly out of touch in some ways and his wearing a suit on a visit to flood areas shows this. Most would wear wellington boots, jeans and some sort of wet weather gear. One has to wonder whether his visit achieved anything at all. Some financial assistance would have been much better. Instead his visit probably just cost money that would have been better spent in other more useful ways.

I'm no fan of Charles but it really is true that no matter what the man does, people don't seem to be pleased.  He made the effort to visit flood areas to see the distress of his mother's subjects (and his future ones) and this demonstrates that he does care and is trying to keep 'in touch'.  Who cares what he wears?  If I was in that situation, I would be pleased that he was thoughtful enough to come as I'm sure most were.  Financial assistance is not everything.  People need to feel they are supported in other ways during crises as well.  ;)  Let's applaud Charles for the good things he does do and there are many.  :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Greenowl on July 08, 2007, 05:49:41 PM
Well said Grace! I think Charles deserves a great deal more credit and recognition for the good things he does.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 08, 2007, 07:29:34 PM
Yes...Charles has always been a caring man. He has some good instincts too if ever he gets to act upon it.  ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Janet on July 09, 2007, 01:51:06 PM
He has listened and learned - that's why he made his way to these flood stricken areas in the first instance.   

tsaria


Just as his parents did in 1952 when the floods hit East Anglia.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 09, 2007, 07:51:14 PM
I think Charles is in fact far more sensative than his father ever was.  ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on July 10, 2007, 04:32:37 AM
When you examine Prince Philip's origins, early childhood, virtually up until his marriage - during which time he was little better than an orphan - albeit an orphan farmed out around wealthy relatives, its perhaps easier to understand his apparent lack of sensitivity.   This man had little choice but to build a rock solid protective barrier around his emotions.   

Gordonstoun School is indicative of the difference in the fundamental characters of the father and the son.   Prince Philip loved it - he relished it - it became his family.   He thrived on the frugal regime and sent his son there in the belief that he too would benefit from the, then, harsh - to the point of cruel - environment.   He could not have got it more wrong.   The Prince of Wales loathed just about every moment he spent there.   

These are two entirely different men, for two very different reasons.   The fact they are father and son does not mean to say they should be alike or even like each other.

In so far as the Prince of Wales' sensitivities are concened, these are very specific to his interests which are wide and worthwhile.   (He wasn't altogether sensitive towards the sensitivities of his ex/late wife).    In terms of the floods and the Prince of Wales' visits - not once, but twice to the stricken areas - he did the right thing.   He did his duty... and left the new British prime minister looking like an emperor without any clothes.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 10, 2007, 04:57:14 AM
To be fair, Philip wasn't particular sensative to begin with. He never addressed his childhood trauma being the product of a couple on the verge of divorce. In fact, they did seperate...That and his situation made him tough and hard. Something that even Wallis, Duchess of Windsor saw when she stayed in Buck House (briefly during her husband's furneral and told her fiend Aline) and had time to observe him. Interesting Tina brown compared Philip to Donald Rumsfelt.  ::)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on July 10, 2007, 08:08:12 AM
Tsaria makes some very pertinent points about the Prince and his relationship with his father.

I can understand this type of relationship all too well, having lived through something very similar.  It is impossible to imagine the alienation that Charles must have felt; as well as a tough insensitive father he also had a remote mother - small wonder that he is reported to be 'needy'.

It will be interesting to see what kind of monarch he makes; no one doubts his commitment to his people and to many worthy causes.  I am sure that, just like his mother, he will do his duty to the best of his ability.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on July 10, 2007, 12:22:18 PM
Do you know what worries me, Martyn, H.M. Queen Elizabeth has ALWAYS put her role first - before anything, including herself, her husband, even her children - about the only cause for criticism which has been directed at her.   When it comes to the business of 'ruling', albeit in constitutional form, Elizabeth I is utterly selfless.   

Purely on the basis of observation, Prince Charles has not been blessed with this kind of selflessness or self discipline.   That doesn't mean to say he cannot be a good monarch, but he will certainly be a very different kind of monarch.    Its difficult to know whether either parliament or, people, will be receptive.   The vacuum which will be left with the passing of Queen Elizabeth could be too great to fill.

tsaria

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 10, 2007, 12:56:35 PM
Hi,

Elizabeth II had Queen Mary and her utter sense of duty to emulate.
She also had her father and his sense of "overcoming defects" & "getting on with it" after the abdication crisis.
Also, her mother was a great example of sallying forth with a smile and a wave.
And, she wasn't that far removed from the Victorian and Edwardian ages, with their sense of monarchy.

Prince Charles needs now to face a world without that reverence for the monarch or the monarchy to deal with.  And, good luck to him....

Larry
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 10, 2007, 08:29:03 PM
Agreed ! He has to be a more modern monarch than his mother ever was. It is sad that the "Diana and Camilla" theme still followed him like a dark shadow. William, has now a clean slate compared to his father.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on July 11, 2007, 12:17:41 AM
Agreed ! He has to be a more modern monarch than his mother ever was. It is sad that the "Diana and Camilla" theme still followed him like a dark shadow. William, has now a clean slate compared to his father.

William's only just 25.  His father is 58.  Of course he has a clean slate - he hasn't really started his royal life yet...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 11, 2007, 04:02:53 AM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 11, 2007, 05:13:08 AM
Lets hope he did not trip like his father... :-\
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: dmitri on July 11, 2007, 09:41:33 AM
Best thing that has happened is that Queen Elizabeth II is Queen and Charles is not monarch. I hope The Queen lives as long as her late mother. He used to be respected. Now he is not. He has largely made a mess of things. He has done some good though it has all been overshadowed by his failed marriage and second marriage. It's time for him to go and for William to take his place. He is a tired old man with really no future. He is way too old to become King for the first time. It's no good comparing him to King Edward VII as those times were completely different and Queen Alexandra was popular and much loved.  I used to respect him quite a lot. He is past his use by date now. Let him enjoy what time is left to him in retirement with his 2nd wife. They deserve this. The monarchy needs William after Elizabeth II. 
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 12, 2007, 08:13:37 PM
Well yes by popular sentiment. However one does not tamper with the successtion. Lets hope William made a good solid marriage and enjoy a happy homelife like his grandmother (Elizabeth II) and great grandfather (George VI). The monarchy cannot survived another Charles and Diana drama... :( Anyway as you say,if QE II lived as long as her mother, Charles's years would more likely be that of a caretaker monarch like Edward VII. You are also correct that Queen Alexandra was popular, and some believed kept the throne for her husband.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: grandduchessella on July 12, 2007, 10:28:16 PM
Funny photo of Charles from TMZ

(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2007/07/0711_prince_charles_wenn.jpg)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 13, 2007, 03:24:27 AM
To touch...or not to touch...?  ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: grandduchessella on July 27, 2007, 04:32:24 PM
Charles (again in a suit) and Camilla visited some of the hard-hit flood areas:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6918539.stm
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on July 27, 2007, 07:49:22 PM
Charles (again in a suit) and Camilla visited some of the hard-hit flood areas:



Once again!!!

Camilla doing her best to her ability and Charles putting a wrong foot forward.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 27, 2007, 10:37:15 PM
For Charles...just to come is good enough for me.  ;D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on July 28, 2007, 12:49:44 AM
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1185557015.html

Courtesy Karen,BRMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Kimberly on July 28, 2007, 02:03:30 AM
A six year old boy asked Charles if he had left his suit of armour in the helicopter. Charles said that he had left it at home but had used it earlier that say to slay a dragon. Bless.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on July 28, 2007, 04:51:03 AM
A six year old boy asked Charles if he had left his suit of armour in the helicopter. Charles said that he had left it at home but had used it earlier that say to slay a dragon. Bless.

Nice little story, Kim.  It was good of Charles to go along with the fantasy... :D
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 29, 2007, 07:57:44 PM
Charles does have his good points....so many seem to forget that. Sad  :(
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on September 12, 2007, 04:58:09 PM
I think Charles is raising a good point in this article - sadly, I think he's waging a battle which is already lost.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=481422&in_page_id=1770 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=481422&in_page_id=1770)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 12, 2007, 08:46:12 PM
Yes...He was the first to go "Green" but few gave him credit for it.  :(
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: dmitri on September 13, 2007, 03:11:32 AM
I think the sad thing about Charles is that he has made such a mess out of his personal life that many cannot take him seriously as a human being.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 13, 2007, 11:51:57 PM
Well...at least some aspect of it.  :(
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 14, 2007, 12:03:59 PM
HRH celebrates his 59th birthday today.The Prince and his wife HRH The Duchess of Cornwall spend the morning at the Jesus House Church,North-London,
a black community church.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 14, 2007, 08:56:02 PM
Prince Charles is very good in reaching out to cross sections of his population, if he only participate more and try to understand them more deeply (like his late wife Diana did). He would have made more impact than he has right now. However I guess it is hard to ask someone to change at his age ?  ???
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 15, 2007, 02:33:22 PM
Well yes by popular sentiment. However one does not tamper with the successtion. Lets hope William made a good solid marriage and enjoy a happy homelife like his grandmother (Elizabeth II) and great grandfather (George VI). The monarchy cannot survived another Charles and Diana drama... :( Anyway as you say,if QE II lived as long as her mother, Charles's years would more likely be that of a caretaker monarch like Edward VII. You are also correct that Queen Alexandra was popular, and some believed kept the throne for her husband.

Quite so Eric.  Assuming he outlives his mother, Charles will be king - because the law requires him to.  The ONLY scenario in which Charles will outlive the Queen and NOT reign is for him to signal his desire to abdicate like his Great Uncle David did - which would require the consent of the parliaments of every realm of which HM is presently head of state.

Since that would obviously open debate in each Realm about eliminating the monarchy, none of the key playes would support that - not the Queen, not Charles, not William, not the British Government, and not the Governments of most of the realms.  It would - in a word - be a true constitutional crisis.

So we shall probably see Charles on the throne - although as Eric stated - it will be a relatively brief reign given his likely age at succession.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 15, 2007, 08:15:44 PM
I hope he does...he had waited all his life for that moment. I think most agree that he should be King (the reservation is mostly about Camilla as Queen...). I also hope both William & Harry have good marriages too (like their grandparents).... :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 16, 2007, 01:52:00 AM
Very moving:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7090000/newsid_7096400/7096491.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&asb=1&news=1&ms3=54

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_yorkshire/7095856.stm
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on November 17, 2007, 02:09:59 PM
Very moving...and thanks for posting, Lucien.  I'd heard a little about Jane Tomlinson's efforts after her cancer diagnosis but it was so good that 10 year old Stephen could accept a posthumous CBE on his late mother's behalf.  A nice personal touch from Charles, too. 
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2007, 12:34:55 AM
Charles is capable of being very nice if he wants too... ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on November 19, 2007, 07:40:15 AM
Very moving...and thanks for posting, Lucien.  I'd heard a little about Jane Tomlinson's efforts after her cancer diagnosis but it was so good that 10 year old Stephen could accept a posthumous CBE on his late mother's behalf.  A nice personal touch from Charles, too. 

I agree with you Grace.  A very nice gesture that her son could accept this on her behalf.

Jane Tomlinson was an inspirational woman whose example of fortitude, endurance and sacrifice will ever be remembered.  In her lifetime she achieved so much to help others and yet was sometimes the recipient of negative comment and criticism (don't ask me why, because the injustice of it was simply too much to be believed).

More than many, she deserves to be honoured thus, and remembered with respect and admiration; her full understanding of the concepts of duty and commitment should be an inspiration to people of all stations and walks of life............
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on November 19, 2007, 12:04:00 PM
Beautifully expressed.   Thanks Martyn, you've said it all.

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 20, 2007, 07:52:19 PM
Saw Prince Charles and Camilla at the thanksgaving ceremong on his mother & father's diamond jubliee. Both looked well.  :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 26, 2007, 11:41:08 AM
Ankara yesterday,TRH arrived in Turkey for a 4 day visit.
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1196085641.html

Courtesy Marianne,BRMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 26, 2007, 08:48:09 PM
Camilla looked happy and relaxed and at her most attractive.  ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Taren on December 24, 2007, 10:37:36 PM
While perusing BarnesandNoble.com for something to spend my gift card on, I came across this little gem: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780966279306&itm=303. Some man has written a book that claims the Prince of Wales could be the antichrist. Nevermind the fact that even though his name is supposed to equal 666, they get his title wrong, so no idea just what exactly adds up to that, but does the Prince really claim descent from Mohammad, David, and Jesus? I know he hasn't been given enough credit for things like the Prince's Trust, but I do think crediting him for initiation of Middle East peace processes is a bit much. I'd almost find it ridiculous if I wasn't so baffled as to why someone would write a book like this.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: dmitri on December 25, 2007, 03:39:45 PM
Sadly people will publish anything if they think they can make money.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Adagietto on December 26, 2007, 05:43:21 AM
Well, some people do seem to write about him as if he were the beast 666. If he is really the Antichrist, Mr al Fayed may have bitten off more than he can chew and had better watch out for his own safety.

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/PrinceCharles/index.html

http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/prince_charles-01.html

http://www.bilderberg.org/royal.htm
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Robert_Hall on December 26, 2007, 06:16:06 AM
In regards to Charle's claim to have descent from the Prophet- yes. It is a claim in the sense that many European royal families have the same claim. It is far away and quite tenous at best, but it is documented in Burke's Royal Families vol. 1. I am in England my my copy of that book is in SF, so can't quite quote it eaxctly, but the descent is through the Prophet's daughter Fatima [as indeed, are almost all of such claims].
 As for descent  from Christ.  This is  something  again, claimed by many European royal houses, starting from Charlermagne, I think. It was to bolster the king's rights to rule, claims to "divine right" and such. It was pure fabrication and propaganda.  False genealogies wre drawn up, going back to BEFORE Christ, direct from Soloman, David and the other Judean kings. I imagine it did not fool the intelligensia but in an illiterate society, it may have had it's uses.Of course  no one could claim a descent from Christ himself- contradicting the Church's teaching, so they had to invent a biblival descent  through other lines.  I think the early Romanovs even had some such chart drawn up.
 All this is well documented in serious books about monarchy, but I would not take anything serious from the likes of someone claiming that Charles is an anti-Christ, especially based on faulty numerology
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: jehan on December 26, 2007, 11:35:24 AM
The book is of course patently ridiculous.  And I doubt that there is really much of a market for this kind of thing, except amongst the conspiracy theorists (but I suppose that there are more of them than there should be!) ;-).

Regarding the royal genealogies- I don't think that Charles has personally made any such claims, it's just that as Robert said- royal families have claimed such things for hundreds of years. years, and so if they claim the descent, then Charles by definition has the same descent.

I have seen genealogies where the Saxon kings claimed descent from Woden.  And of course the Roman Emperors claimed descent from the Olympian Gods (through Aeneas and his son).  It's just another way of legitimizing power.  But none of this in claimed by Charles (or any other member of the current Royal family AFAIK) personally.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Vecchiolarry on December 26, 2007, 12:49:04 PM
Hi,

It was a dark and stormy night, and suddenly there appeared "the Prince of Darkness"........
Oh,  oops... sorry, it was only 'the Prince of Wales'....

Just thought I'd have a little fun here, a little levity as this is what the thread needs about now!!!

My very limited knowledge of numerology is that everything is reduced to one number;  which would mean that even if Prince Charles' name does add up to 666, it would be further calculated as 9 in the end.   6+6+6 = 18.  1+8 = 9......
So, whatever 9 means in numerology is what Charles would equal, supposing that he actually does come to 666......  It all adds up to stupidity to me anyway!!!

Also, I do remember reading somewhere a long time ago that Charles is descended from Mohammed and even Count Dracula through Queen Mary's grandmother, Claudine, who was an Hungarian Countess.  And, also Queen Charlotte figures in there somewhere.
Does anybody know the exact connection & descent there???

Larry
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 26, 2007, 05:44:56 PM
Well, some people do seem to write about him as if he were the beast 666. If he is really the Antichrist, Mr al Fayed may have bitten off more than he can chew and had better watch out for his own safety.

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/PrinceCharles/index.html

http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/prince_charles-01.html

http://www.bilderberg.org/royal.htm

LOL. Didn't they used to make similar 666 charts about Ronald Reagan? ;-)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 26, 2007, 11:19:21 PM
I think Chaerles may found this amusing but hardly serious about it...really.  ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on December 27, 2007, 08:21:12 PM
Do you think he reads this site?

R.I.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2007, 02:53:32 AM
I think he also wrote the same question on that site... :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Ex-Princess Lisa on December 28, 2007, 04:08:49 PM

 As for descent  from Christ.  This is  something  again, claimed by many European royal houses, starting from Charlermagne, I think. It was to bolster the king's rights to rule, claims to "divine right" and such. It was pure fabrication and propaganda.  False genealogies wre drawn up, going back to BEFORE Christ, direct from Soloman, David and the other Judean kings. I imagine it did not fool the intelligensia but in an illiterate society, it may have had it's uses.Of course  no one could claim a descent from Christ himself- contradicting the Church's teaching, so they had to invent a biblival descent  through other lines.  I think the early Romanovs even had some such chart drawn up.
 All this is well documented in serious books about monarchy,


I have not read many serious books about monarchy, but this does explain why the male-line descendents of Charlemagne that are alive today (the Purcells) and the male-line Romanovs, have the same Y DNA chromosome. Both lines seem to be descended from the same male line and maybe that is the Davidic line.

Also most Jewish men have a J or J2 haplotype and the Romanovs and Purcells have a J haplotype. (I've read that the Cohen haplotype is J2)

Both the Romanovs and Charlemagne claim to be descended from a Byzantine dynasty. Maybe this is true.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Ex-Princess Lisa on December 28, 2007, 04:18:11 PM



I really do not get the 666 thing.

I thought 666 was the number of the Beast according to the Bible. Does that not mean that there are 666 beasts.

Not people walking around with 666 tatooed to their heads or their names add up to 666 if you look at it in a certain way, maybe on a Friday.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2007, 12:54:43 AM
This discussion is getting too weird... :o
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Tdora1 on December 29, 2007, 09:15:08 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Tdora1 on December 29, 2007, 09:26:14 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Kimberly on December 29, 2007, 10:03:27 AM
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Tdora1 on December 29, 2007, 10:23:12 AM
1. Han did not shoot Greedo first. 2. I'm down the boozer and tucked in the snug but will I last until lock-in? I think not. 3. Kris Kristofferson is a lizard. 4. QEQM is too a lizard it says here. Got me worried now. 5. Daily Mail Headline For today: House Prices Set To Rise In The New Year!!!  Nothing about Diana and Dodi being eternal lizard icons so I must have missed the invertebrate detox diet suppliment somewhere 6. Tdora chomps teh sherry corks - nom nom nom - brings up those pesky harbls.....7. Tdora Loves Kimberley VV much shees mah besht mate. 8. Why did my mummy never loved me ? 9. To each and to all: a very Happy Whatever Floats Ya Boat Chum10. Tdora's paws get slapped off the keyboard.  Byeeee!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2008, 11:06:21 PM
Think we should be going back to Prince Charles.  ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on February 14, 2008, 01:24:17 AM
Laeken Castle,Brussels yesterday:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/preview.php?start=0&id=19978&zoektype=2&search=13-02-2008%20Laken

http://www.ppe-agency.com/preview.php?start=0&id=19975&zoektype=2&search=13-02-2008%20Laken

courtesy PPE/Nieboer
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Ilias_of_John on February 14, 2008, 03:18:34 AM
HAVE SOME OF YOU HAD MORE THAN YOUR PRESCRIBED DOSES?
 :)

Ex Princess Lisa haven't we had this conversation about the Purcell's and Charlemagne and spaceships before?

As for,


Do you think he reads this site?

R.I.

I know that quite a few Royals read this forum and they either fall off their chairs laughing or shake their heads in wonder.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on February 15, 2008, 12:06:59 AM
I know that quite a few Royals read this forum and they either fall off their chairs laughing or shake their heads in wonder.

Do tell.  I'd be very interested, Ilias of John, as I'm sure others would be as well for you to tell us how you know this?  Thanks in anticipation.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on February 15, 2008, 07:21:08 AM
HAVE SOME OF YOU HAD MORE THAN YOUR PRESCRIBED DOSES?
 :)

Ex Princess Lisa haven't we had this conversation about the Purcell's and Charlemagne and spaceships before?

As for,


Do you think he reads this site?

R.I.

I know that quite a few Royals read this forum and they either fall off their chairs laughing or shake their heads in wonder.

It might do some good for them to read some of the comment that is posted here, especially that which pertains to the current perception and future of the monarchy.  It might just be the wake-up call that some of them need.......
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on February 15, 2008, 04:14:37 PM

It might do some good for them to read some of the comment that is posted here, especially that which pertains to the current perception and future of the monarchy.  It might just be the wake-up call that some of them need.......

Absolutely, Martyn.  If they did (which I doubt), I think they would be neither 'falling off their chairs laughing' or 'shaking their heads in wonder' somehow...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Ilias_of_John on February 16, 2008, 12:47:02 AM
Grace,
I am afraid you will just have to believe me when I tell you that Royals do read this forum.
They too have access to the internet, we are not the fortunate few.
As for how I know, that my girl will remain a secret! :-X
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on February 16, 2008, 05:26:29 AM
Perhaps one of them could volunteer to moderate the Windsor threads!

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Ilias_of_John on February 16, 2008, 05:15:09 PM
Perhaps you could send out a global PM inviting them too? :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: ChristineM on February 16, 2008, 07:46:09 PM
That's a most interesting response John.   Could imply they are here using pseudonyms?

The mystery deepens.   Is anyone prepared to guess as to the identity of the royal personages in our midst?

tsaria
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Ilias_of_John on February 16, 2008, 09:09:29 PM
It's Ilias of John.
Although my father and son are John's. :)





 :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :)


Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: alixaannencova on February 17, 2008, 09:53:22 AM
I dare say that there is at least one member of the British RF with a great and well known interest in their Romanov family in particular, who could quite feasibly have been drawn to our site! It would be nice to think that they may be amongst us and perhaps throwing the occasional tit bit of fact! 
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: alixaannencova on February 17, 2008, 11:12:26 AM
I have often mused that certain media sources liked to believe that Harewood Park was acquired by the Duchy as a future home for Prince William, when it seems more probably that it is 'hoped' that Prince Harry may one day make it his place in the country. I do find it of interest that few members of the RF manage to hang on to country pads!

The Gloucesters, Kents and Michaels of Kent have all disposed/leased there places in the country! How sad, for one who is lucky enough to be a country bumpkin to appreciate!

   Anyway, I do hope, that as I believe, Harry will eventually settle down en famille at Harewood in due course! I am terribly romantic at heart as well as being a native of Kernow, and love to think that Prince William shall use Trematon as his place in country in time! I have never understood the mystery that still surrounds 'Tamarisk', but guess this will be solved in time!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 01, 2008, 11:04:29 AM
TRH The Prince and Princess of Wales will pay official visits to Trinidad & Tobago,St.Lucia,Montserrat and Jamiaca from march 4th till march 14th.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 05, 2008, 01:10:20 AM
TRH The Prince and Princess of Wales will pay official visits to Trinidad & Tobago,St.Lucia,Montserrat and Jamiaca from march 4th till march 14th.

TRH arrived in Trinidad & Tobago yesterday:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1204676452.html

Courtesy Brent,BRMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: joan_d on March 05, 2008, 02:52:02 PM
Nice work if you can get it.

Oh dear that shapeless white dress !!!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: joan_d on March 17, 2008, 04:12:34 PM
Now Prince Charles has become a shopkeeper !!!  ::)   On today's local news (Points West) Charles and Camilla were visiting a shop in Tetbury that will sell "Duchy Originals".   Not in the same league as Harrods but a start.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Kimberly on March 17, 2008, 04:21:55 PM
I will be sticking to Tesco's !!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=537290&in_page_id=1770 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=537290&in_page_id=1770)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on March 18, 2008, 08:48:36 AM
Ridiculous prices.  Merely fosters the notion that organic has to mean expensive.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 18, 2008, 09:15:59 AM
After years of being a  loyalist to Sainsbury's, I now prefer Waitrose. I wonder how many tourists are  going to Tetbury just to shop at  his store? They are the only ones to pay those  riduculous prices. More of a London shop as I see it. Maybe Covent Garden?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 20, 2008, 11:28:46 AM
I looked through the threads and didn't see one for Clarence House (I could be blind however...) 
Has anyone been through the tour?  Is it worth one's while or can it be skipped?

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on May 20, 2008, 01:11:56 PM
That's a most interesting response John.   Could imply they are here using pseudonyms?

The mystery deepens.   Is anyone prepared to guess as to the identity of the royal personages in our midst?

tsaria

I've always firmly believed that at least one member of the RF must be a lurker here (or that at the very least their staff would scan the posts looking for tidbits to pass along to their masters and mistresses).  There's simply too much good stuff here about the royals for them not to know of the forum's existance - and curiosity knows no bounds of social class.

Now, were I betting on which royal is our most likely neighbor here, I'd put my money on the York princesses (perhaps even their father by extension).  They are young enough to be Internet savvy and interested enough to spend a little time strolling through these pages.  The Michaels of Kent would also be potentials in my mind.

I'd imagine Charles would instead have a staff member scruitinize it and prepare a written summary (ditto most of the other royals).  William and Harry seem simply too busy in their daily lives.

But wouldn't it be astonishing to find out HM herself carves out an occasional hour to lurk amongst us - and even perhaps typed out a few posts just to amuse herself?  I love the thought.....
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on June 24, 2008, 11:21:47 PM
TRH  Welsh Residence:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_west/7467445.stm

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on June 26, 2008, 04:01:36 AM
TRH  Welsh Residence:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_west/7467445.stm



Because they don't have enough homes already..........
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Leuchtenberg on June 26, 2008, 05:00:41 PM
TRH  Welsh Residence:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_west/7467445.stm



Because they don't have enough homes already..........

"Chuck's and Cam's B and B".    I wonder how highly Fodor's will rate it.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on June 28, 2008, 09:45:28 AM
TRH  Welsh Residence:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_west/7467445.stm



Because they don't have enough homes already..........

Well,not in Wales they didn't...and you know how touchy the dear Welsh are....their Prince has his own sheep shack now,all's well that ends well..
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 30, 2008, 07:06:11 AM
That's so kind of the couple to make a home in Wales so that the Welsh don't feel left out!! To thoughtful!! :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Adagietto on July 01, 2008, 11:27:23 AM
I've always been surprised that he doesn't have a place in his own Principality, it is none too soon; Llwynywormwood is a wonderful name.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on August 02, 2008, 04:34:45 AM
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1217510714.html


Courtesy dear Ken,BRMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2008, 01:47:49 PM
Well...Ap lace in Wales...A good idea. Why not ?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on August 02, 2008, 04:10:05 PM
Well...Ap lace in Wales...A good idea. Why not ?

Uh?....
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on August 03, 2008, 10:22:48 AM
Well...Ap lace in Wales...A good idea. Why not ?

Uh?....

I think Eric means 'A place in Wales'.

R.I.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 04, 2008, 12:37:28 PM
Indeed...What would be a suitable residence for a royal to live in Wales ? ???
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Norbert on August 04, 2008, 01:19:07 PM
The magnificent Cardiff Castle obviously with it's Burgess interiors.... and they could have picnics at Castell Coch on the outskirts of the city
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 04, 2008, 07:18:00 PM
Is Cardiff Castle still owned by the Royals or they can use it as official residence like Edinburgh Castle in Scotland ?  ???
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on August 06, 2008, 10:31:15 AM
Is Cardiff Castle still owned by the Royals or they can use it as official residence like Edinburgh Castle in Scotland ?  ???

No, Cardiff Castle was sold by the Bute family to the City of Cardiff in 1947 for £1. The Castle is a major tourist attraction in the city, accomodating the cities' museum.

R I.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 06, 2008, 10:54:14 AM
So where does the Royals stay when in Wales ? ???
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Kimberly on August 06, 2008, 02:39:04 PM
The Llanelli Travel-Lodge.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 06, 2008, 03:33:44 PM
Really ?  :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on August 07, 2008, 09:19:45 AM
The Llanelli Travel-Lodge.

KILLING!!!!  I love the idea of that.....Kim you absolutely crack me up, it's almost bad for my health!

If only they did.  They might be a bit cheaper to run........
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 07, 2008, 01:35:48 PM
 A Prince of wales without a place in wales...no wonder people say that the RF is out of touch. ::)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on August 08, 2008, 08:12:27 AM
A Prince of wales without a place in wales...no wonder people say that the RF is out of touch. ::)

So does that mean that he has to have a home in every place for which he has one of his tin-pot titles??!! 

Good grief, he would spend all of his time shuttling from one to the other!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 08, 2008, 09:01:29 AM
No...The RF have varies places in Scotland from Edinburgh Castle, to Balmoral to Birkhall to Castle of Mar. I don't think an offical residence in Wales is too much to ask.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on August 08, 2008, 07:09:28 PM
So does that mean that he has to have a home in every place for which he has one of his tin-pot titles??!! 

Good grief, he would spend all of his time shuttling from one to the other!
[/quote]
No...The RF have varies places in Scotland from Edinburgh Castle, to Balmoral to Birkhall to Castle of Mar. I don't think an offical residence in Wales is too much to ask.

IMHO the title 'Prince of Wales' could hardly be described as "tin-pot", going back many hundreds of years. Be that as it may, don't forget that Wales is a Principality (thus having no representation on the flag of the Union), England and Scotland are of course Kingdoms, which may account for the oversight, which now seems to have been rectifed.

R.I.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 08, 2008, 08:44:29 PM
I agree...a residence in Wales should be required for provided for the Prince of Wales.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: carl fraley on August 11, 2008, 10:29:49 PM
This picture is worth a thousand words.. I love it.... IMO a loving , dutiful, and happy couple

http://www.hellomagazine.com/photo-galleries.html?imagen=/royalty/2008/08/10/charles-kilt-laugh/imgs/charles-camilla-1a.jpg&publi=&nactual=0&nnumeroactual=1&nfotos=3&subseccion=

Three Cheers to THe Duchess
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Princess Ann Elizabeth on August 12, 2008, 12:58:15 PM
Agreed.

HRH The Duchess of Cornwall is so good for HRH The Prince of Wales. I have never seen him as visibly happy as when he is with her. Ever since she began accompanying him on Royal engagements, I’ve never seen him having a better time at it. He seems so much warmer and real, which, in my humble opinion, is because of her. I truly love to seeing their fits of giggles and their obvious chemistry together. Quite enjoyable.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: carl fraley on August 12, 2008, 09:11:04 PM
This may just be my opinion but yes totally..... I think he's always smiling now (compared to the early 90's)..  SO Three Cheers to Them Both
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Princess Ann Elizabeth on August 12, 2008, 10:10:06 PM
Brilliant! Yes, three cheers to them both!!!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on August 13, 2008, 07:15:58 AM
Does Charles have a sunburn in the above HELLO pictures or does he have a skn diease?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 13, 2008, 11:20:21 AM
No, it's blusher.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Kimberly on August 13, 2008, 11:27:59 AM
Oooh you are sooo naughty Eddieboy :-)
I think its wind burn...seriously.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on August 13, 2008, 08:41:48 PM
Wind burn?  Maybe, but he's always been high coloured or even ruddy shall we say...and his face goes even redder when he laughs heartily.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on August 14, 2008, 07:21:02 PM
Wind burn?  Maybe, but he's always been high coloured or even ruddy shall we say...and his face goes even redder when he laughs heartily.

IMHO he was blushing because he had to re-adjust his kilt, which is why the Duchess reacted with the belly laugh shown on the photo
R.I.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 15, 2008, 12:05:04 PM
I'm sure most forum members have heard or, or read about, the Prince of Wales' latest attacks on GM foods.  I don't take a particular stance on that topic either way (not sufficiently educated on the nuances of the issues), but as a fan of monarchy, my greater concern is the Prince's ongoing inability to control himself and keep his many opinions to himself.

As I read in one article in particular, we (the public) have absolutely no idea what the Queen thinks of GM foods, or what she thinks of a whole range of current affairs.  And that is exactly my point.  A constitutional monarch, or the heir to a constitutional throne, has no business passionately expressing views on GM food, or anything for that matter.  The job of a hereditary Head of State is to represent all facets of Britain equally - from the small Scottish farmer to the big London corporation.  One cannot do that job properly if one regularly takes sides, pitting one facet against another. 

Charles may be entirely correct in his opinions, or he may be an ill-informed elitist.  I just don't think we should ever be given proof either way!  As the old saying goes, "you can remain silent and be thought an idiot, or speak and remove all doubt."

What do my British friends on the forum think?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Michael HR on August 15, 2008, 12:13:33 PM
I agree but he gets away with it. Mind you when he becomes King he will not be allowed to. It is not his position or role to speak out like this and could get the throne into trouble.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on August 15, 2008, 08:34:49 PM
I can't quite work out why he's chosen now to speak out against genetically-modified foods.  Talk about shutting the barn door long after the horse has bolted...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on August 16, 2008, 05:42:44 AM
I'm sure most forum members have heard or, or read about, the Prince of Wales' latest attacks on GM foods.  I don't take a particular stance on that topic either way (not sufficiently educated on the nuances of the issues), but as a fan of monarchy, my greater concern is the Prince's ongoing inability to control himself and keep his many opinions to himself.

As I read in one article in particular, we (the public) have absolutely no idea what the Queen thinks of GM foods, or what she thinks of a whole range of current affairs.  And that is exactly my point.  A constitutional monarch, or the heir to a constitutional throne, has no business passionately expressing views on GM food, or anything for that matter.  The job of a hereditary Head of State is to represent all facets of Britain equally - from the small Scottish farmer to the big London corporation.  One cannot do that job properly if one regularly takes sides, pitting one facet against another. 

Charles may be entirely correct in his opinions, or he may be an ill-informed elitist.  I just don't think we should ever be given proof either way!  As the old saying goes, "you can remain silent and be thought an idiot, or speak and remove all doubt."

What do my British friends on the forum think?

Agreed, but Princes of Wales always seem to be politicied in some way. Edward VIII and the miners "something must be done" is a good example.
R.I.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 16, 2008, 10:40:20 PM
I agree as heir he is allowed his opinion not as soverign.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on August 17, 2008, 08:27:53 AM
It's whether he can make the transition from politicised heir to the throne to constitutional monarch.......

His motives are admirable in that he feels that by making his views known that he might be able to make a difference.  The sadness of this is that he is so insulated from reality that his particular causes are often perceived as trivial.

Whatever one thinks of GM foods, his views were lambasted in the media and thoroughly refuted by experts, with the end result being that once more he looks like a foolish and self-indulgent dilettante.

He has had plenty of time to air his views over the years and surely now it is time for him to put a lid on them and take a leaf out of his mother's book - namely trap firmly shut........
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 17, 2008, 01:58:55 PM
To be fair, Charles's views on the the envoirnment and the Green message has been vindicated by the likes of Al Gore and others. But whether he can take this to another level is really unknown.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: joan_d on August 17, 2008, 03:06:42 PM

Whatever one thinks of GM foods, his views were lambasted in the media and thoroughly refuted by experts, with the end result being that once more he looks like a foolish and self-indulgent dilettante.


You are absolutely right, Martyn.   Only today, a Labour MP has responded to this latest outburst by the PoW by asking him to back up his statement with scientific proof.   An obvious response to such an ill-founded view.

It is such a complicated subject, I wouldn't know where to start.   As it happens, my gut reaction is the same as the PoW but would I feel the same if I was one of the many millions starving in the 3rd world ???

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 17, 2008, 03:50:15 PM
Any responsible government takes care of its own citizens first before helping others.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Kimberly on August 17, 2008, 04:50:52 PM
Really!!
Guess you have a point there. I am now being told to clench my buttocks and point my toes whilst waiting for the bus, by my caring government.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on August 17, 2008, 10:18:06 PM
Really!!
Guess you have a point there. I am now being told to clench my buttocks and point my toes whilst waiting for the bus, by my caring government.

Yes...now that this is government-sanctioned (to help combat the obesity crisis of course) you now at least have a hope that the driver will stop for you...

You just couldn't make it up, could you?!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 19, 2008, 07:15:36 PM
Anyway I don't think Charles would be so bad...but it would be hard to call him King George VII...Charles is too ingrained in the thoughts of many...Maybe Camillia can change her name to Mary. King George VII and Queen Mary...What do you think ?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on August 19, 2008, 07:52:12 PM
It's just disturbing to me to think of Charles as king anything, let alone his wife...

I'm sorry because I know there are many here who disagree with this view.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on August 20, 2008, 01:51:07 AM
They must have been reading this thread....... ::)

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1219206615.html

courtesy Marianne,GREMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 20, 2008, 01:43:31 PM
Yes...I agree may the Queen live long !
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: joan_d on August 20, 2008, 02:41:38 PM
Yes...I agree may the Queen live long !

Yes, Erci but as much as you may want it, she isn't going to live forever.......... and then I think you will see the pressure cooker explode.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 20, 2008, 03:05:29 PM
No...I think people can live with Charles by then. We might have a Princess Katherine of Wales by then.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on August 20, 2008, 04:22:47 PM
But what influence will that have on the type of monarch Charles will be?  None that I can see.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on August 21, 2008, 04:27:32 PM
Yes...I agree may the Queen live long !

Yes, Erci but as much as you may want it, she isn't going to live forever.......... and then I think you will see the pressure cooker explode.

The only things that will explode will be the corks of your gin bottles...and even they don't explode..they loosen up screwing.
It will be a smooth transition,except with some here ofcourse...but then that's of no significance to the then situation.At all.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 21, 2008, 09:51:44 PM
No...I think people can live with Charles by then. We might have a Princess Katherine of Wales by then.

Just to clarify, William's wife would not be Princess Katherine of Wales, as that style would denote the daughter of a Prince of Wales. 

Wife:  The Princess of Wales
Widow:  The Dowager Princess of Wales
Ex-wife:  X, Princess of Wales
Daughter:  Princess X of Wales

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: B5218 on August 22, 2008, 07:35:52 AM
Doesn't the lady's full name start with a "C" or in the British usage is it interchangeable?   I have seen Henry's various K(c)athe(a)ines spelled variously and have always been confused.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 22, 2008, 10:48:25 AM
Then it would be Princess Katherine, Princess of Wales. Nope, Katherine of Aragon was also "Kate" too to Henry VIII remember.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 22, 2008, 02:34:54 PM
No, Miss Middleton will never be Princess Katherine (or Catherine).  The only people entitled to use Princess before their given name are those born as princesses (in the UK only the daughter or male line granddaughter of a King or Queen Regnant).  Diana, for example, was never Princess Diana (despite being widely and mistakenly referred to that way). 

Woman who are not born a princess - but who marry a prince - become Princess (Husband's First Name).  For example, Sophie Wessex is HRH The Princess Edward, Countess of Wesex and Viscountess Severn - she is not Princess Sophie.

So upon marriage Miss Middleton would be HRH The Princess William of Wales.  If William is given a peerage at the time, than his wife takes his title (Duchess of Something, or Countess of Something) like Sophie did with Edward's titles.  If William then becomes The Prince of Wales, his wife becomes just HRH The Princess of Wales - like Diana was.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Taren on August 22, 2008, 04:49:43 PM
If William is not given a title in the event of his marriage, Kate/Catherine's title would be Princess William of Wales. She could only ever be Princess Kate/Catherine if a letter's patent was issued granting her that style in her own right. For the record, she spells Catherine with a C.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Michael HR on August 23, 2008, 07:02:40 AM
I hope so as it is hard to imagine anyone else doing her work better than her. Elizabeth II has been a truly wonderful sovereign and an example to others as to how to occupy the throne and be respected by nearly everyone. 

Yes...I agree may the Queen live long !
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 24, 2008, 02:38:45 PM
I agree...yet Diana was always referred to as Princess Diana even before her diorce. Kate would be Princess Kate regardless of the formality of title.

Well...Queen Camilla or Princess Camilla sounds the same really...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on August 24, 2008, 04:13:20 PM

Well...Queen Camilla or Princess Camilla sounds the same really...

No, Eric, it does not...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 24, 2008, 05:04:07 PM
Yes to those who care that is...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on August 24, 2008, 06:30:55 PM
On the contrary, I think those who care about the monarchy are very interested in whether Camilla will finally bear the title "Queen" or whether she will be styled "Princess Consort" as was stated at the time of the wedding by Charles' spokesperson.  Those who don't care about the monarchy won't be concerned either way.

You do have a different way of looking at things, Eric!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Taren on August 24, 2008, 08:01:07 PM
I agree...yet Diana was always referred to as Princess Diana even before her diorce. Kate would be Princess Kate regardless of the formality of title.

Well...Queen Camilla or Princess Camilla sounds the same really...

Just because the media refers to someone one way, that doesn't necessarily make it the right one. Diana was always referred to as Di, yet she disliked that nickname.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 25, 2008, 02:28:29 PM
Yes Kate will remain Kate even if she marries William.  ;)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 25, 2008, 02:33:44 PM
Sorry, I'm a stickler for using appropriate styles and forms of address.  It irritates my senses when someone refers to The Queen as "Her Royal Highness", or Sophie as "The Duchess of Wessex".  

Americans are particularly bad at this, likely because honorific styles of address are rare.  The only legal American honorific is "The Honorable" which is accorded to presidents, senators and representatives, heads of cabinet and other high posts, ambassadors, judges, state governors and city mayors.  Oh, and religious leaders I suppose - a Catholic cardinal is Eminence, an archibshop is Your Excellency or Your Grace.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 25, 2008, 02:42:36 PM
Well...after Diana got divorced and HRH taken away from her. I began to lose interest in the whole thing. Her brother was right Diana did not need a HRH to add respect to her, all her charity work created a respect that even the Queen herself cannot fail to address. As for the question of Camilla, quite a few ladies now do not curtsey to royalty but shook hands or a slight bow. And I mean to the Queen or Princess Royal. So by the time Queen or Princess Camillacame along it would be a less common practice. This I heard from solid monarchist in London...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on August 25, 2008, 04:16:49 PM
I thought Diana automatically lost the HRH upon her divorce?  I don't think it was just "stripped" from her and I think the Queen has graciously acknowledged Diana's charity work and the effect she had on many people, if I remember correctly.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 26, 2008, 03:03:03 PM
True...although she was the mother of the future King of Britian (William), most monarchist believe that she should be allowed to retain her title of HRH. Anyway the royals did not play fair in these arrangements. For example Wallis Simpson, after her marriage to HRH The Duke of Windsor should recieve the same HRH. But it was denied her even though the law wrote that she was entitle to use HRH. QV said about this "In our country there is no morganetic marriage, if a royal marry any common girl. She would be entitled as any princess !" The speach that the Queen praises Diana's work was not written by her, but by Blair's government. It was reenacted in the movie "The Queen" starring Helen Mirren. No after Diana died in Paris, the Queen (too late) wanted to add HRH back to her tombstone, but it was refused by the Spencer family...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 27, 2008, 11:50:36 AM
I agree with you somewhat Eric_Lowe, although I take a slightly different approach.  (I have been accused of being too logical in my thinking).

To me (a monarchist, I might add), the use of honorifcs only retain their value when you stick to the reasons they exist in the first place.  The moment you start arbitrarily handing out or withholding honorifics, the purpose fades away. 

What I mean is, the only reason that the HRH and the title of prince or princess exists at all is because monarchy is a hereditary system.  If the Sovereign were an appointed office, his or her family would have no role in the system, and have no need of a title or style.  It then makes perfect sense that HRH should be given solely on a hereditary basis - because someone was either (a) born to it, or (b) is married to it.  To me, it was quite appropriate that Diana no longer be HRH upon divorce. 

Now, given Diana's position as mother to the heir to the throne, and her great public works, I think it would have been appropriate if she had been granted her own life peerage (the way that the former wife of Prince Joachim of Denmark was created a Countess in her own right).  But I try to look at that from the Queen's perspective at the time.  Given how horrible the Waleses' divorce was, I am not surprised that the establishment may have decided to wait a while and see what happened next.  Diana could have remarried and left the country, or done a million other things that might have made the Government not wish to hand her a peerage.  For all we know, maybe the plan was that when William ascended the throne, he would create Diana a peeress.  But I'm off on a tangent - the point is, the HRH still wouldn't have been appropriate.

But I absolutely agree with you about Wallis - she should have been HRH, not because of who she was or what the public thought, but because she was the legal wife of a HRH.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 27, 2008, 06:29:50 PM
Indeed...I agree. It becames too petty so I don't think about it too.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 10, 2008, 01:17:40 PM
They looked smart. Camilla looked nice with big hats ! Looked like a similar design from her wedding...
Title: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 16, 2008, 12:16:39 PM
During a recent visit to the Prince of Wales' website, I was marveling at the enormous infrastructure / network that he has created within his Court / Household.  I don't mean his core courtiers (private secretary, press officer, etc.), but the wider court.  Over the years, he has assembled a huge staff that manages his broad spectrum of initiatives - ranging from the Prince's Charities (20 separate charitable foundations) to the semi-corporate commercial efforts of the Duchy of Cornwall, to the large number of charities and other organizations of which he is patron or president.  And some of these initiatives stand at the fringe of controversial or political topics.

To my knowledge, no previous Prince of Wales has created nor sustained such a massive or varied organization as the incumbant.  Most simply undertake normal royal engagements in support of the monarch, supplemented by granting patronages in whatever areas interest them.

It got me to thinking.  When Charles succeeds the throne - what happens to all of these initiatives, institutions, etc.?  It will be neither time permitting, nor probably appropriate, for King Charles III / George VII to continue to undertake all of these activities while reigning as monarch.

The easy answer of course is that William - as the future Prince of Wales - will assume his father's roles in these organizations.  Would William want to take on all of these duties?  I can't imagine he is as passionate or dedicated to each and every one of them as his father. 

Has Charles created a sustainable empire - or one that will fade away from royal controls in due course?
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: tom_romanov on September 16, 2008, 12:40:15 PM
well it was in the British tabloids today that Charles wants to make Camilla Queen. And not a lot of people here are happy about it .                                                                          heres a link -   http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article25344.ece

he's could be making himself unpopular before he even reaches the throne
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: Michael HR on September 16, 2008, 03:23:52 PM
I think most would pass to william and some to Harry on his succession, as this would form part of their duties to the nation. As to Queen Camilla there would be riots is that was to happen and I think he knows it. Diana has a long shadow and the British a long memory and an unforgiving one at that.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: tom_romanov on September 17, 2008, 12:09:39 PM
i totally agree with you Michael. perhaps if William gets the throne instead of Charles he might actually propose to Kate.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 17, 2008, 02:31:14 PM
Not to be a broken record, but unless he dies before his mother, Charles will succeed the throne as King.  There is no alternative legally. 

Charles cannot legally simply abdicate.  If he wishes to do so, he must convince the Parliaments of the UK, Australia, Canada, and all the other Commonwealth realms to first pass separate laws allowing him to - the same way his great uncle did.  And those laws would simultaneously change the separate crown successions. 

Given the republican sentiments in some of those realms, it would be very likely that one - or more - of those realms would take that opportunity to abandon the monarchy altogether.  Or - one or more of the realms might not choose William but instead select someone else.  More today than back in 1936, the result would quite possibly be the end of the personal union of the crowns - and possibly the end of the Commonwealth itself.  Charles knows all this only too well.

And - at least as of today, when Charles succeeds the throne, Camilla will automatically, legally become Queen.  British law doesn't recognize a morganic marriage.  A King's wife is a Queen, no differently than the wife of a Duke is a Duchess, or the wife of a Mr. is a Mrs.

So, if people don't want that to happen, they had better start petitioning their PMs to get a bill passed that would create an alternative title  - and it better pass before the present Queen dies, because trying to strip Camilla of the title once it happens would be very messy indeed.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: tom_romanov on September 17, 2008, 02:38:28 PM
i agree looks like here in England our monarchy may have a rocky future!
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 17, 2008, 03:20:19 PM
Well, in the big scheme of things, is it really going to be that big of a deal?  The Queen is 82, and there is a good possibliity she could live another 10-15 years.  There is also a potential - if she is anyting like her mother - for it to be another 20 years. 

And by then, Charles and Camilla will be in their late 70s / early 80s themselves.  Not to be morbid, but there is a distinct possiblity that one - or both - of them might not still be living at that time, which makes the whole point moot.  Don't think Charles didn't point that out to the Queen when seeking her consent for his second marriage. 

If C&C do succeed as King and Queen, their reign would be quite short; more of a Edward VII than a Elizabeth II.  And in another 15-20 years, we will have become even more accustomed to C&C , and less opposed to their succession or worried about their titles or her status.  Anyway, that's how it seems to me.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
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Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Teddy on September 22, 2008, 12:31:55 AM
I like these 2. They had a hard time in their life. Give up their true love for eachother for the will of the country. Its sad, what happened, Princess Diana was a lovely person, she did not deserved to die. But Charles and Camilla doesn't deserve the hatred/deslike afterwards.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on September 22, 2008, 01:52:21 AM
They had a hard time in their life. Give up their true love for eachother for the will of the country.

Have they split up then?
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: toddy on September 22, 2008, 04:51:39 AM
OMG    you cant just change this or change that      that will destroy the monarchy    let Camilla become queen   she should be queen legally morally and rightly   I can understand why its hard to associate her with the princess of wales title  because Diana was to closely associated with it  but  come on people   I like Charles  he  is a little eccentric but he means well and he has done very well for great Britain   I admire him
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: Michael HR on September 22, 2008, 08:46:26 AM
The problem with that is the British people who have very long memories and have not forgiven Charles or his wife for the actions whilst Diana was alive. Even some years on there will be many who do not accept her as Queen and I suppose Charles will need the support of the Church, who would not be happy with a divorced woman as Queen Consort, and of course the heads of the Commonwealth who also have a say in the matter as Charles will be head of state of many members of the Commonwealth. If they say no and also the Church reject her he would have a serious problem coupled with the hostility of the people and may have to title her as he has already suggested.

The British expect a very high standard from the Royal Family and Charles simply did not live up to this in relation to his first wife. Had he conducted himself with better morals he would not be in the situation he is and has only himself to blame. Diana was from the peoples point of view the best thing that ever happened to the Windsor's and of course he managed to blow that completely. He must take responsibility for his actions and follow the will of the people by whoms consent he would reign.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Michael HR on September 22, 2008, 08:53:37 AM
The loss of HRH was not automatic on divorce. The Queen could have left her with this status and quite frankly she should have. It placed Diana in the ridiculous situation of having to curtsy to her son's as they were of higher rank. She refused of course saying that she would only curtsy to the Queen, who she held in respect. Stripping her of that status was a mean thing to do and my god did it later explode in the face of the royal family as Diana's brother said at her funeral.

The Queen should never have stripped her of this title and it is something that annoys the British people to this day.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 22, 2008, 10:09:51 AM
To be accurate, the loss was automatic on divorce, based on a newly realeased Letters Patent addressing the issue of divorced royals.

On Aug 21, 1996, the Queen issued Letters Patent which decreed that a style received by a spouse of a member of the Royal Family on their marriage ceases at the point of divorce.  The Wales' divorce was finalized 7 days later on Aug 28, 1996. 

Clearly the decree was done in direct response to the upcoming Wales' divorce, but was also to set the precedent for a new bigger issue - that is, what title should remain when a non-royal woman divorces a British royal prince?  The only previous 3 senior royal divorces of the 20th century - The Princess Royal in 1992, Princess Margaret in 1978, and Victoria of Edinborough in 1901 - all were different cases because the wives in question were HRH by birth, not marriage.  They simply kept their pre-marriage titles.

The Queen and her advisors obviously decided that - in an era of 50% divorce rates - it was better to nip this issue in the bud before there were numerous ex-wives with HRH titles running around.  And I think that was a smart move, for lots of reasons. 

First, a divorced woman is no longer part of the royal family (Diana was an exception as the mother of the future king), and can do whatever they wish.  The Court doesn't have much control over their actions, behaviors or words anymore.  But if they kept HRH, their actions would be directly reflected on the crown, which could cause lots of problems if the ex-wife in question was a loose cannon.  Let's say Sarah York kept her HRH, but decided to become an advocate for - I don't know - abortion rights.  Now you have a royal princess/duchess taking a stand on a highly charged political issue, and the Crown can't really do anything about it.  Very bad indeed.

Second, what happens upon remarriage?  Does the woman give up her HRH title then? 

Third, I believe holding the status of HRH conveys lots of perks and priveledges - such as royal security, right of use to Queen's flight, right of use to diplomatic resources when travelling abroad, diplomatic immunity as a member of the royal family.  None of these things should be accorded to a person who is not a working royal.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Michael HR on September 22, 2008, 10:18:27 AM
I may be wrong but I think only the Queen has Diplomatic immunity as head of state. All other members of the family are the same as everyone else.

Diana was an exception as the Mother to a future King and should have kept the status on that basis alone.

I agree the thought of Sarah being HRH after the divorce from Andrew chills the blood but as it turns out she has been quite well behaved and is now respected by the public unlike a few years ago. If divorced there are little if any perks and there would be no right to security, Queens flight etc unless the Queen allowed it for some reason. Sarah of York is a good example of that as she walked away with no perks what so ever
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 22, 2008, 10:23:51 AM
I suppose Charles will need the support of the Church, who would not be happy with a divorced woman as Queen Consort and of course the heads of the Commonwealth who also have a say in the matter as Charles will be head of state of many members of the Commonwealth. If they say no and also the Church reject her he would have a serious problem coupled with the hostility of the people and may have to title her as he has already suggested.

Charles received the consent of the church when he remarried.

Under current law in each Commonwealth realm, Charles automatically succeeds the Queen on her death.  It isn't a matter of a council in each realm assembling on the Queen's death and saying "Hmm, shall we accept Charles or not?"   So if any of those realms wish something different to happen, they must pass a law before the present Queen dies.  Or - they will have to vote to remove their King after the fact.

Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: Michael HR on September 22, 2008, 10:30:49 AM
When Edward Duke of Windsor was briefly King did not the Commonwealth refuse to accept Wallis and this was one reason he felt he had to abdicate?

Charles was not married in a Church but a registry office and I do not think the consent of the church was needed for that ceremony. The head of the Church of England in the form of the Archbishop could refuse to crown him but that would also be a constitutional crisis if it ever happened.  It is Camilla that many do not want as Queen consort and that is the main problem.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: Adagietto on September 22, 2008, 11:08:40 AM
'Diana was from the peoples point of view the best thing that ever happened to the Windsor's and of course he managed to blow that completely. He must take responsibility for his actions and follow the will of the people by whoms consent he would reign.' Who are these 'people'? I am British, and I don't take such a simplistic view of the breakdown of the marriage or of Diana's character, nor do half the people whom I speak to of the matter.

As for whether Camilla becomes Queen, I am sure that Charles would like her to, but if it is not thought at the time that it would not be broadly acceptable, she will be called Princess Consort (even if she is technically Queen). It is as simple as that.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 22, 2008, 11:33:36 AM
Amazing how difficult it is to find clarification about the immunity status of the Royal Family.  What I did find is that in the Vienna Convention, diplomatic immunity extends to "Heads of State" and "Heads of Diplomatic Missions", and their "Households" in the course of official business.  Said another way, if Charles, Prince of Wales is considered a member of the Queen's Household (he is), and he is travelling on official business of the UK government (which in most cases he is), than some level of immunity extends to him.  If Charles is visiting privately, it may be another matter.

I also found a court case involving Prince Charles and some foreign national (Kilroy v. Windsor, 1978) in which a judge ruled that "The Attorney General has observed that the Prince of Wales is immune from suit.....(T)he doctrine, being based on foreign policy considerations and the Executive's desire to maintain amiable relations with foreign states, applies to even more force to live persons representing a foreign nation on an official visit."

The US State Departments documents I checked seems to imply that a foreign royal family member holds certain immunities and special privledges, but I can't seem to determine if this is "diplomatic immunity" or more informal / courtesies extended. 

But either way, if you are a British royal visiting a foreign country on official royal business, you get perks and privledges - officially or by courtesy. 
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Michael HR on September 22, 2008, 11:39:45 AM
Interesting. I think that Edward VII was sued in the County Court and had to attend - something about a card game?

Perks true.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: Michael HR on September 22, 2008, 11:44:29 AM
It would be interesting if there was a poll on the subject. Some take a negative view and some a positive view. What the majority view is we may found out.

I agree that Princess Consort is probably what will happen.

Being British myself I am not at all sure that I would wish her to be Queen but that's just my own view. Many friends of mine also state the same but I suppose it depends on who you talk to.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 22, 2008, 11:45:02 AM
When Edward Duke of Windsor was briefly King did not the Commonwealth refuse to accept Wallis and this was one reason he felt he had to abdicate?

Charles was not married in a Church but a registry office and I do not think the consent of the church was needed for that ceremony. The head of the Church of England in the form of the Archbishop could refuse to crown him but that would also be a constitutional crisis if it ever happened.  It is Camilla that many do not want as Queen consort and that is the main problem.

Yes, you are right - Edward abdicated because the Governments (of the UK and Commonwealth) didn't want Wallis as his wife and as Queen.  However, that was a somewhat different situation.  Edward wasn't already married to Wallis when he became King, and the Church of England did not recognize second marriages of divorcees at that time.  And while Charles wasn't married in the Church of England, as you say, the Church (via the Archbishop) did give consent to the marriage before it took place.  

The bottom line is - any change to the succession today would threaten the existance of the commonwealth crowns, and the commonwealth itself.  Even back in 1936-1937 the abdication could have broken up the empire and brought down the monarchy.  It just isn't worth it to open Pandora's box of legal implications, just to avoid a Queen Camilla.  Nobody in power wants that - except the republicans.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: Michael HR on September 22, 2008, 11:52:12 AM
Of course the Queen cold outlive Charles if her Mother is anything to go by.

In many ways I like Charles and I hope when the time comes what ever happens is without problems for all.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2008, 02:14:02 PM
Really ?
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: Adagietto on September 22, 2008, 03:10:05 PM
I'm sure the Queen will live for years! May I just say that I was not wishing to take a negative view of anyone, just to suggest that human relationships are complicated, and that when it comes to their breakdown, it is almost always wrong to cast one party as a demon and the other as an angel. I think it is possible to acknowledge that without taking sides. Also, what on earth gives 'the British people' - or newsaper hacks - to be damned censorious (usually about Prince Charles, but one should remember, very often about Diana before her death made such attacks seem tasteless). It is not as if about a third of marriages in Britain did not end in divorce; and somehow, when one has direct knowledge of the people involved, it always seems more difficult to take a crudely moralistic view of the situation, requiring one of the parties to be cast as an utter villain.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Michael HR on September 22, 2008, 03:36:53 PM
Correction he was a witness in the case:

In 1891, Edward was embroiled in the Royal Baccarat Scandal, when it was revealed he had played an illegal card game for money the previous year. The Prince was forced to appear as a witness in court for a second time when one of the players unsuccessfully sued his fellow players for slander after being accused of cheating.

By forced I assume they mean a witness summons was served which can be backed up by the Court by contempt of Court (six months in prison).

The only member of the royal family above the law as such is the Queen. She cannot be prosecuted in a criminal court but could be taken through the County Court I believe although I am sure others will correct me if I am wrong. All others are subject to the law of the land such as Princess Anne being prosecuted for a driving offence in the 1970's and there was a recent case about her dog attacking someone.

If they were abroad on official business on behalf of the Queen they may have immunity but I am not sure.


Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2008, 07:33:54 PM
Well...In history, they don't usually proscecute the King or Queen they don't like (Charles I being the exception). They usually exile them.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: Mari on September 23, 2008, 02:38:44 AM
I agree with you Michael I would not like to see Camilla Queen!

May I ask a question and I am just wondering about this...in the last 200 years how many  British Kings have ever married their  Mistress? I mean I find that so puzzling that Charles would not see that as a problem. He obviously cared little about Diana's feelings, even in the beginning of the Marriage  he was attached to Camilla...  but could he not see with the Church this might be a problem? Or later with part of the British public?   Just asking here.... :)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: Michael HR on September 23, 2008, 02:51:29 AM
I'm not sure he cares what people think
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: Mari on September 23, 2008, 02:59:09 AM
I wonder if he'll care if Camilla is not called Queen? or if  there really are protests or a bill passed to change the law and assign her another title? Oh, well I guess everyone will know eventually.... but hopefully not for twenty years!  :)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: Adagietto on September 23, 2008, 07:04:18 AM
I don't hink it would be a matter of legislating to remove her title of Queen (which would ne an unncecessary indignity), but of the palace letting it be known that she would prefer to be addressed by another title; just as there has been no legislation to prevent her from being called Princess of Wales.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: Michael HR on September 23, 2008, 08:18:39 AM
True. She already has this title as Duchess of Cornwall and there will be others that she can choose from on Charles accession. Maybe in 20 years we shall not mind her being Queen, who knows.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: mcdnab on September 23, 2008, 02:49:45 PM
Apart from Queen there aren't that many alternate titles to chose from - on his accession Charles' existing titles merge with the crown.  His son automatically becomes Duke of Cornwall (Prince of Wales is usually granted shortly thereafter but not always - Edward VII delayed granted the then Duke of York and Cornwall the future George V the title for many months - whereas George V created his son Prince of Wales very quickly)as already has been discussed there is no provision in law for the wife of the King not being Queen. Back in the thirties one suggestion for Wallis had she and Edward married and had he stayed on the throne was if Parliament here in the UK (and in every other commonwealth country of which the monarch remained head of state) would legislate for morganatic marriage and she would have perhaps been HRH, The Duchess of Lancaster (as the Duchy estates of Lancaster still provide a substantial income for the monarch).  The situation now is different as Charles and Camilla are already married on his accession she automatically becomes Queen - this was and always has been the law of the land.  Currently Clarence House maintains that she will be known as Princess Consort - whatever her legal status - but that fiction won't stand up after his accession and in my view it shouldn't.
At the time of the abdication George VI refused the HRH to Wallis on the grounds she had not been judged fitting to be Queen therefore to raise her to the status of a Royal Highness made a nonsense of the abdication. If Camilla is good enough to be a Royal Highness and thereby a member of the Royal Family then to deprive her of the title of Queen Consort kind of makes a nonsense of her existing titles and styles.  As has already been mentioned there is every possibility that she or her husband will predecease the Queen therefore the point becomes moot.
As a British Subject i'd rather she was Queen Consort if it does happen than creating some kind of odd compromise in part because i am a bit traditional about these things!
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: Adagietto on September 23, 2008, 03:59:35 PM
I'd prefer her to be called Queen too because it seems the natural and proper thing, but the royal family does have to be sensitive to public feeling (which seems to be pretty divided on this matter). It doesn't strike me as being any very great matter if the palace ask for her to be called Princess Consort.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 24, 2008, 08:11:09 AM
As a British Subject i'd rather she was Queen Consort if it does happen than creating some kind of odd compromise in part because i am a bit traditional about these things!


Here here!  The monarchy as an institution is bigger than the individuals who occupy it at any point in time. 
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on October 08, 2008, 06:27:09 AM
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/mediacentre/pressreleases/index.html
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 08, 2008, 12:45:11 PM
Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on October 28, 2008, 10:44:03 AM
TRH The Prince and Princess of Wales are on the first leg of their Official Visit to South-East Asia  (Brunei and Indonesia) and Japan.
They arrived in Tokyo yesterday and were welcomed by HIH Crown Prince Naruhito.Later that day they met with Prince Naruhito and
Crown Princess Masako privately.

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1225109656.html

Today they visited Keiyo University:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1225168716.html

Dinner with TM Emperor Akihito and Empress Michiko:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1225197942.html

Courtesy Marianne,GREMB.
 :)

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on October 29, 2008, 05:55:59 AM
Japan,day 3

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1225261346.html

courtesy Marianne,GREMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2008, 12:03:54 PM
I like the photo of Camilla and Charles dicussing how to use the wooden sword.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on October 30, 2008, 04:10:39 AM
Japan,day 3

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1225261346.html

courtesy Marianne,GREMB.

http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=8543296&pos=1

courtesy Royalimages.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2008, 05:50:44 PM
She did not seem at ease with the child.  :o
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Greenowl on October 30, 2008, 05:53:57 PM
What makes you say that? I think she looks quite "at home" with the situation!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2008, 06:00:11 PM
Matter of perception. She had not repport with the kid, who seemed to be in his own world. She was probably saying why am I even here ?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Greenowl on October 30, 2008, 06:15:40 PM
Yes indeed, I suppose we all see things differently!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Mari on October 30, 2008, 08:49:23 PM
I agree , I don't think She is at ease with Children as Adults. I have noticed that She doesn't come down to their level...or for instance touch them or even the Dog that would have made me think She was tuning in to him.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 31, 2008, 02:24:57 PM
Well...Camilla is no Diana that is for sure. She did not have the younger woman's knack with children and old people. However she is now more popular with some women and men, especially of the aristocratic and horsey set.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 13, 2008, 03:52:25 AM
With his 60th birthday tomorrow,BBC1 aired a documentary on "Charles at 60" last night which I
thought gave a good balanced portrait of the man who's often lambasted,but who's ideas gain momentum,fast.

Great portrait.Great guy.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 13, 2008, 07:09:42 AM
HM Queen Elisabeth will throw a birthday party at Buckingham Palace tonight.
Among the guests,ao,King Constantine and Queen Anna-Maria,The Prince of Orange and Princess Máxima.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 13, 2008, 08:19:25 AM
HM The Queen at the Princes Trust HQ yesterday:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1226508346.html

And the Wimbledon Theater last night:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1226552401.html

courtesy dear Marianne,GREMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 13, 2008, 02:15:13 PM
HM The Queen at the Princes Trust HQ yesterday:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1226508346.html

And the Wimbledon Theater last night:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1226552401.html

courtesy dear Marianne,GREMB.

(Some of the stunning-) Guests arriving at Buckingham Palace earlyer tonight:

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=83662106#

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 13, 2008, 02:54:56 PM
HM The Queen at the Princes Trust HQ yesterday:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1226508346.html

And the Wimbledon Theater last night:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1226552401.html

courtesy dear Marianne,GREMB.

(Some of the stunning-) Guests arriving at Buckingham Palace earlyer tonight:

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=83662106#


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7728431.stm

Title: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 04:14:09 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/1-3.jpg)
Prince Charles, Prince of Wales poses for an official portrait to mark his 60th birthday, photo taken on November 13, 2008
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 04:16:32 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/3-1.jpg)
Charles, Prince of Wales, Queen Elizabeth II, Duchess of Cornwall, Duke of Edinburgh and Princes William and Harry at Buckingham Palace State Dinning Room, tonight, November 13, 2008
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 04:18:06 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/2-3.jpg)
The Royal family at Buckingham palace tonight
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 08:15:27 PM
Arrivals photos:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/1-4.jpg)
HRH Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall arrives at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 08:16:37 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/2-4.jpg)
Princess Mathilde of Belgium and Prince Philippe of Belgium arrive at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/3-2.jpg)
Princess Mathilde of Belgium arrives at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 08:17:43 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/4-2.jpg)
HRH Sophie Countess of Wessex arrive at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 08:19:00 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/5-2.jpg)
Prince William of Orange of The Netherlands and Princess Maxima of The Netherlands arrive at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/8-2.jpg)
Princess Maxima of The Netherlands arrive at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 08:21:00 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/6-2.jpg)
King Constantine of Greece and Queen Anne-Marie of Greece arrive at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/7-2.jpg)
Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden arrives at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 08:22:23 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/9-2.jpg)
Queen Silvia of Sweden arrives at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/12-2.jpg)
Afghan president Hamid Karzai arrives at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 08:23:56 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/10-2.jpg)
Princess Mary of Denmark and Prince Frederik of Denmark arrive at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/11-2.jpg)
HRH Princess Michael of Kent arrives at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 10:32:15 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/13-2.jpg)
HRH Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall arrives at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/14-1.jpg)
The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester arrives at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 10:33:28 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/15-1.jpg)
Prince William and Prince Harry arrives at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/16.jpg)
Prince Michael and Princess Michael of Kent arrives at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 10:34:25 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/17.jpg)
Nicolas Windsor and Duke of Kent arrives at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/18-1.jpg)
Sarah Chatto with husband arrives at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 10:35:27 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/19-1.jpg)
Queen Silvia of Sweden arrives at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/20.jpg)
Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden arrives at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 10:36:20 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/21-1.jpg)
King Constintine and Queen Anne Marie of Greece arrives at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/22-1.jpg)
Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and Crown Princess Marie arrives at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 10:37:42 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/23.jpg)
Princess Mary of Denmark and Prince Frederik of Denmark arrive at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/24.jpg)
Prince William of Orange of The Netherlands and Princess Maxima of The Netherlands arrive at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 10:38:45 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/25.jpg)
Princess Mathilde of Belgium and Prince Philippe of Belgium arrive at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/26.jpg)
Crown Prince Felipe of Spain and Princess Letizia arrives at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 10:39:41 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/27.jpg)
Princess Christina of Spain with husband arrives at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/28.jpg)
Queen Sonja of Norway arrives at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 10:40:33 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/29.jpg)
King Hamid bin Isa Al Knalifa, king of Bahrain, arrives at Buckingham Palace

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/30.jpg)
Afghan president Hamid Karzai arrives at Buckingham Palace
Title: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Lucien on November 14, 2008, 03:25:23 AM
Thank you Nikola!!

Charles at 60,Buckingham Palace last night:

http://www.rexfeatures.com/search/?kw=prince%20charles%20birthday%20party&lkw=%20prince%20charles%20birthday%20party&rt=116441001&lf=818836018&cr=1

http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?specialid=1463&flush=1

courtesy Royalimages.
Title: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Lucien on November 14, 2008, 04:08:20 AM
An Ode to The Prince of Wales:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/royalty/3453778/An-ode-to-Prince-Charles-on-his-60th-birthday.html

Cheers to HRH!!
Title: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Lucien on November 14, 2008, 04:55:19 AM
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/newsandgallery/focus/60_facts_about_hrh_the_prince_of_wales_1838453391.html

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/

Title: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Lucien on November 14, 2008, 07:06:14 AM
Our birthday boy today:

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?eventId=83675791#

Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Adagietto on November 14, 2008, 08:46:40 AM
Thanks for all the pictures. Has there ever been a more nattily-dressed president than Hamid Karzai? If only he was able to run his country as well.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: TampaBay on November 14, 2008, 09:27:23 AM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/3-1.jpg)

I just saw the above scene on CNN.  The dress Camilla is wearing is extra ugly and ill-fitting.  Also, strange was her pearl choker.  On TV it look almost identical to Diana's pearl and sapphire choker.  I cannot believe it is the same choker.  Does anyone know?

TampaBay
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Lucien on November 14, 2008, 11:15:34 AM
Thanks for all the pictures. Has there ever been a more nattily-dressed president than Hamid Karzai? If only he was able to run his country as well.

Thanks to Nikola yes.oh,Karzai...he's a case on his own.. ::)

No Tampa,it is the Duchesses's chooker.Lets stick to Charles today OK..............!!.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 14, 2008, 11:24:14 AM
Charles is very lucky to still have both his parents to celebrate birthday with him at age 60. Not everybody had that chance.
Title: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Lucien on November 14, 2008, 11:48:07 AM
Gun salutes:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1226677637.html

courtesy Marianne,GREMB.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: ashdean on November 14, 2008, 12:17:32 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/3-1.jpg)

I just saw the above scene on CNN.  The dress Camilla is wearing is extra ugly and ill-fitting.  Also, strange was her pearl choker.  On TV it look almost identical to Diana's pearl and sapphire choker.  I cannot believe it is the same choker.  Does anyone know?

TampaBay
No Tampa the choker is of pink topaz and diamonds and originally was a brooch bought with the matching earrings at auction and then turned into a dogcollar with pearls.
Title: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Lucien on November 14, 2008, 12:43:22 PM
Our birthday boy today:

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?eventId=83675791#



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7729087.stm

 :)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 14, 2008, 01:27:27 PM


(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/22-1.jpg)
Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and Crown Princess Marie arrives at Buckingham Palace

Actually, that is Prince Nikolaos in the front seat.  Pavlos is sitting next to his wife and is hidden by his brother.   It's unfortunate that they couldn't have hidden HER, the dreadful creature.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Vecchiolarry on November 14, 2008, 04:35:50 PM
Hi,

They have to release a group photograph of all the guests present.  Surely there must have been one taken...
This is an important occasion for the Royal Family and a good public relations event for Prince Charles and the European monarchies en total....

Even if The Queen and others wanted it to be a 'private event', I cannot see someone not advising her to release at least one group picture.

Also, I know this is 'Off Topic' but which room is that that they're traversing through?  Is it the Ball Supper Room?  I don't recognize it as any place I've seen.

Larry
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Grace on November 14, 2008, 09:05:10 PM
I would think there would have been a group one taken also - but surely it would have been released by now?

Is it because the Queen hasn't aged that much...or because Charles has...that they now appear to be almost of the same generation?  Of course they're only 22 years apart anyway...that could be it...
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 09:06:39 PM
Hi,

They have to release a group photograph of all the guests present.  Surely there must have been one taken...
This is an important occasion for the Royal Family and a good public relations event for Prince Charles and the European monarchies en total....

Even if The Queen and others wanted it to be a 'private event', I cannot see someone not advising her to release at least one group picture.

Also, I know this is 'Off Topic' but which room is that that they're traversing through?  Is it the Ball Supper Room?  I don't recognize it as any place I've seen.

Larry

On the photos which shows The Royal Family (Prince Charles, Queen Elizabeth II, Duchess of Cornwall, Duke of Edinburgh and Princes William and Harry) you can see the State Dinning Room at Buckingham palace.  
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 09:25:43 PM
Another party TODAY (November 14, 2008) in honour of Prince Charles's 60th birthday, at the Goring Hotel:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/31.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/32.jpg)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 09:26:53 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/33.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/34.jpg)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 09:28:13 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/43.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/35.jpg)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 09:29:15 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/37.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/36.jpg)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 09:29:55 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/38.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/39.jpg)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 09:30:53 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/40.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/41.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/42.jpg)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Grace on November 14, 2008, 09:39:24 PM
Thank you for posting all these photos, Nikola.

Princess Michael does not wear flattering clothes for a change (the cut of that jacket makes her look huge), nor is her hair looking good either, in my opinion.  Charles and the Duke of Kent look more alike with every year.  Just my not-always-kind observations! 
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 09:42:23 PM
Prince Charles & Camilla Duchess Of Cornwall Arriving At Royal Opera House, November 14, 2008:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/50.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/51.jpg)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 09:43:18 PM
Prince Charles & Camilla Duchess Of Cornwall Arriving At Royal Opera House, November 14, 2008:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/52.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/53.jpg)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Lucien on November 14, 2008, 09:49:51 PM
The event at the Goring Hotel was organised by Lady Elisabeth Ansom,the Queen's cousin,on behalve of HM,a festive "hangover" brunch as I call it.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 09:59:59 PM
The Prince Of Wales Attends Launch, after launching The Prince's Trust Youth week, November 14, 2008:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/1-5.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/2-5.jpg)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 10:00:52 PM
The Prince Of Wales Attends Launch, after launching The Prince's Trust Youth week, November 14, 2008:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/3-3.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/4-3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 10:01:37 PM
The Prince Of Wales Attends Launch, after launching The Prince's Trust Youth week, November 14, 2008:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/5-3.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/6-3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 10:02:20 PM
The Prince Of Wales Attends Launch, after launching The Prince's Trust Youth week, November 14, 2008:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/7-3.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/8-3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Nikola on November 14, 2008, 10:02:57 PM
The Prince Of Wales Attends Launch, after launching The Prince's Trust Youth week, November 14, 2008:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/9-3.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/10-3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: carl fraley on November 16, 2008, 02:56:25 AM
I have always thought that where looks are concerned looks tend to skip generations, people often look a lot more like there grandparents.  last night i came across a pic of EVIII where he looked almost identical to EVII , I'll have to find the pics and post later (when they were kids of course) but HRH Prince Michael of Kent favors IMO his Grandfather GV in looks if he had a fuller face.   IMO as well H.M. the Queen favors her Late Majesty Queen Mary  ALOT.... Anyone else see it?? or is it just me?
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Keith on November 16, 2008, 10:08:02 AM
I didn't see any pictures or hear of Anne, Andrew, or Edward at these events. Are they out of the country?
Title: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Lucien on November 16, 2008, 11:08:11 AM
I didn't see any pictures or hear of Anne, Andrew, or Edward at these events. Are they out of the country?

Edward and Andrew attended the events,Anne is on tour in New-Zealand.
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Keith on November 16, 2008, 02:42:24 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on November 16, 2008, 09:21:16 PM
Interesting documentary on the Prince of Wales at 60, being charming and jovial. With scenes from Prince William's investiture to the Order of the Garter (available for a limited time only. posted 17/11/08)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00fky55/Charles_at_60_the_Passionate_Prince/

R.I.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on November 17, 2008, 01:45:14 AM
Given that Prince Charles likes to speak out on a number of issues now, it would not surprise me at all (but it would dismay me) if he continued to do so even more vocally after he becomes King...then again this IS from the Daily Mail...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1086268/Presidential-Prince-Charles-break-tradition-speak-political-issues-King.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1086268/Presidential-Prince-Charles-break-tradition-speak-political-issues-King.html)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Adagietto on November 17, 2008, 04:36:32 AM
I don't believe it for a moment, he will have different duties and responsibilities then, and I'm sure he will adapt to them. Fundamentally he is a traditionalist, so he doesn't strike me as being the kind of person who would want to try to make any significant alteration to the role of the monarchy.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2008, 10:49:56 AM
He had done more than Edward VIII for the role of Prince of Wales. Being soverign would be harder...
Title: Re: The Prince of Wales' 60th birthday celebrations - tonight - PHOTOS
Post by: José on November 17, 2008, 10:55:05 AM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/17.jpg)
Nicolas Windsor and Duke of Kent arrives at Buckingham Palace


That's not Lord Nicholas but his brother the earl of Saint-Andrews
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Adagietto on November 18, 2008, 03:24:31 AM
Someone remarked to me that Prince Charles is already older than Edward VII was when he ascended to the throne. The example of the two Edwards shows that you can never tell what kind of a job a Prince of Wales is going to make of being a king until he becomes one.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2008, 08:07:39 AM
Indeed. I think Charles will be a competent king.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on November 26, 2008, 04:01:36 AM
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/photos/charles_camilla/index.html

Courtesy Royalimages. :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on February 21, 2009, 01:26:28 AM
Charles engages tourism industry:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/02/charles-engages-travel-tourism-industry.html

Baptising a Tornado:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/02/charles-sees-tornado-as-good-vintage.html

Hospital soup....,hmm,dunno...:..where did that apendix go.. :-\

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/02/prince-charles-examines-hospital-soup.html

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on February 21, 2009, 02:57:21 AM

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Charles-and-Camilla-name-new.4997637.jp

The visit of Charles and Camilla to Yorkshire and even I had to play a part!  Imagine.....

More later.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 21, 2009, 02:25:13 PM
I wonder how the British public viewed Charles & Canilla these days.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Kimberly on February 22, 2009, 02:59:28 PM

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Charles-and-Camilla-name-new.4997637.jp

The visit of Charles and Camilla to Yorkshire and even I had to play a part!  Imagine.....

More later.


Come on Martyn.......spill the beans.xxx
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 22, 2009, 03:08:00 PM
Still no beans...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 02, 2009, 12:04:30 PM
http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1236009065.html

Lovely!

courtesy Marianne,GREMB.
 :)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: joan_d on March 02, 2009, 12:34:52 PM
I have to say one of the loveliest pictures I have seen of the PoW - quite natural and charming with the little girl.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Charity on March 02, 2009, 05:29:29 PM
http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1236009065.html

Lovely!

courtesy Marianne,GREMB.
 :)

"Excuse me nice important man, please pick me up so I can take a closer look at Father Christmas in the picture up there....?"!  :)

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on March 04, 2009, 08:39:01 AM
The Prince and the Duchess had been in York for the launch of the steam train and then came to Leeds, where they toured my place of work.

In particular, they toured my department and I was introduced to them and gave them a tour and some indication of what we do.  All in all they must have spent about ten minutes with me, but it seemed like an age

The visit was a big success - very lighthearted and jolly,  and the Prince and his wife were very affable and charming.

I was completely surprised by how small the Duchess is; in fact the Prince is not overly tall but gives an impression of height with his extraordinary presence.

I have to add that the circus that surrounded them - film crew, journalists, photographers, private secretaries, police, local worthies was absolutely staggering.  If that is what they have to contend with at every public engagement, then I really don't envy them and can fully appreciate the Prince's rather negative views on reporters and photographers!

The whole experience was a bit like being hit by a tornado and I was exhausted afterwards!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 04, 2009, 11:21:17 AM
Thank you for sharing the personal experience...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: RoyalWatcher on March 04, 2009, 04:17:12 PM
Agreed! Yes, thank you indeed. If I had been in your shoes, it would have been quite a thrill. Yes, I do get a bit starstruck from time to time.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Nobility on March 04, 2009, 05:45:04 PM
On Charles, I knew him at school he was my house Captain at (Windmill Lodge at Gordonstoun) and he is pretty harmless. Basically a nice guy not that bright and he has been programmed to take a middle road. He was always incredibly protected and I don't think that well prepared for the realities of life as we know it today.

   
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: RoyalWatcher on March 04, 2009, 05:59:49 PM
Very interesting! Thank you, Nobility.

I'm curious as to whether or not Prince Charles' scholastic performance was measured in the same way as you and the other boys who attended Gordonstoun? Or, was he measured differently.

I realize that this is a rather odd question that you may not know the answer to, but I thought I'd pose it to you just the same.

Regards,

RoyalWatcher

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 05, 2009, 11:13:59 AM
He is a prince and that cannot be measured in the same way. It is interesting that even he took the middle road, he still felt miserble at Godonstoun...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on March 06, 2009, 11:52:14 AM
Agreed! Yes, thank you indeed. If I had been in your shoes, it would have been quite a thrill. Yes, I do get a bit starstruck from time to time.

To be perfectly honest, it was a bit of a bind.  We lost a whole morning's work for a ten minute visit but having said that, the Prince, on departure, said that he hoped that he hadn't taken up too much of our time, which I thought was a nice gesture.

Royalty doesn't really rock my world in that respect.  I must add though that I did feel starstruck after meeting the Princess of Wales in '92.  Not having been much of a fan before, I was completely sold after meeting her and still feel the same way.

Charles and Camilla are nice enough but if you gave me the choice of meeting them or the Beckhams, the latter would definitely win out!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 06, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall were not stars in that catagory. They were a respected part of the Royal Family and both are mature and sensible. Diana was the exception to that, and so is how Prince William is now looked upon. Yes, the Beckham are stars, but they do not have the respect and reverence of a member of the Royal Family.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 06, 2009, 08:56:57 PM


interesting...


http://cgi.ebay.com/Prince-Charles-6-love-letters-not-to-Diana-or-Camilla_W0QQitemZ320345642674QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item320345642674&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Prince-Charles-6-love-letters-not-to-Diana-or-Camilla_W0QQitemZ320345642674QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item320345642674&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Nobility on March 07, 2009, 02:41:13 AM
Hello Royal Watcher

At Gordonstoune Charles did everything we all did. This I believe included studies. I often played hockey against him and once had an official telling off for whacking a hockey ball into his Royal Nuts,by mistake of course.

I am surprised to hear he was not that happy at Godonstoune, it was a great school and our House Master Mt Whitby was as good as you can get, at least he put up with me.

Charles had his own apartment with his bodyguard Varney (m15) I think, also armed all the time. The apartment was in the Roundhouse that is the old build of the windmill.Its quite fun to remember. sorry to ramble on.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: RoyalWatcher on March 07, 2009, 11:33:54 AM
Oh, thank you, Nobility. That was wonderful and very kind of you.

Regards,

RoyalWatcher
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 07, 2009, 11:35:18 AM
Thanks Nobility in putting the personal memories in place.

Guess Charles was too shy and missed his grandmother much.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 09, 2009, 05:36:30 AM
Prince Charles and Camilla have arrived in Chile on the first leg of their South-America tour:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/03/charles-and-camilla-start-southamerican-tour.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 09, 2009, 12:20:22 PM
I do found it problemetic to see Camilla without a hat, her windblown look is hardly approproiate for a woman her age and status. She should take a leaf from the Queen & Queen Mother in that respect.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 09, 2009, 01:48:55 PM
Prince Charles, someday this week, will visit my Town (Valparaiso) i ll see if i can take pictures of him and Camilla ;-)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 09, 2009, 03:41:29 PM
Well...Look forward to your experience and photos.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Martyn on March 10, 2009, 07:47:34 AM
The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall were not stars in that catagory. They were a respected part of the Royal Family and both are mature and sensible. Diana was the exception to that, and so is how Prince William is now looked upon. Yes, the Beckham are stars, but they do not have the respect and reverence of a member of the Royal Family.

For a start, that was supposed to be a lighthearted comment but perhaps you didn't get that......shame.

I don't quite understand your point about the Princess of Wales andWilliam - could you elaborate without straying to far off topic?

As for members of the RF enjoying reverence and respect - well that rather depends on one's viewpoint. Some of them I do indeed respect, but reverence is perhaps something that I might reserve for my Maker alone!
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 10, 2009, 11:30:36 AM
Well...The Queen repesents her country and should be respected, just like the president of the United States.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 10, 2009, 01:36:09 PM
Prince Charles, someday this week, will visit my Town (Valparaiso) i ll see if i can take pictures of him and Camilla ;-)

  :)

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/03/charles-camilla-meet-chilean-president.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 10, 2009, 02:14:42 PM
My report. I saw them from veery far away and thanks to the people who became crazy for them i couldnt take pictures. Charles and Camilla, out of protocol, held hands with the people and were very nice with them.I must to say Camilla Looks better in person than in pictures, and Charles...well....Charles is Charles xD.

I was tempted to sing  out loud "goodbye england Rose" but they were so nice and gentle with the people around...xD
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 10, 2009, 02:22:57 PM
Here a link (in spanish) about their visit to Valparaiso

Click here (http://teletrece.canal13.cl/t13/html/)
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 10, 2009, 06:04:52 PM
I only saw sports news there...
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 10, 2009, 10:17:02 PM
Here a link (in spanish) about their visit to Valparaiso

Click here (http://teletrece.canal13.cl/t13/html/)

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/03/chileans-cheer-for-camilla-and-charles-.html

courtesy hja

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=09-03-2009%20Chile

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 11, 2009, 11:07:18 AM
Sorry, bad link

Click where it says "video" to watch how excited chilean ppl were to see Charles and Camilla in person

Clicky clicky (http://teletrece.canal13.cl/t13/html/Noticias/Regiones/Valparaiso/373502.html)

Prince Charles was very impressed to see how much chilean people loved him and Camilla
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 11, 2009, 06:58:42 PM
More from Chile:

http://www.mediumphoto.com.pl/index.php?function=news/shownews/13859



Meanwhile the couple arrived in Brasils capital Brasilia on wednesday for a 4 day official visit.
http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=9358927&pos=6

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 12, 2009, 11:41:51 AM
Brasilia,Brazil last night:

http://picture.belga.be/belgapicture/picture/12991445.html?citemId=879354-1

Beautifull.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 12, 2009, 12:02:35 PM
Was the flower necklace a wedding present from Prince Charles ?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 13, 2009, 01:03:17 PM
Brasilia,Brazil last night:

http://picture.belga.be/belgapicture/picture/12991445.html?citemId=879354-1

Beautifull.

Brazil:

http://www.daylife.com/photo/07xw1eR5ft800/prince

Cutee....
http://i41.tinypic.com/2uo3t78.jpg



Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 13, 2009, 01:21:54 PM
And while visiting Rome end of april,Prince Charles is expected to invite His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI to visit Great Britain.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5894586.ece
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 14, 2009, 02:25:27 PM
With the Duchess of Cornwall with him ?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: alixaannencova on March 14, 2009, 04:04:33 PM
If one were to take the time to read the article so kindly linked by Lucien, one will see that the Duchess of Cornwall will meet the Pope for the first time as the wife of the Prince of Wales during the trip to Rome!!

And while visiting Rome end of april,Prince Charles is expected to invite His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI to visit Great Britain.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5894586.ece

With the Duchess of Cornwall with him ?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 15, 2009, 02:10:32 PM
Brasilia,Brazil last night:

http://picture.belga.be/belgapicture/picture/12991445.html?citemId=879354-1

Beautifull.

Brazil:

http://www.daylife.com/photo/07xw1eR5ft800/prince

Cutee....
http://i41.tinypic.com/2uo3t78.jpg


http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/03/charles-receives-forest-climate-award.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 16, 2009, 03:12:00 AM
Next stop,Quito and the Galapagos Islands,Ecuador:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1237181412.html

courtesy Marianne,GREMB.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/03/charles-and-camilla-on-way-to-galapagos.html

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/03/charles-and-camilla-to-commemorate-darwin.html


courtesy hja
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 16, 2009, 10:46:34 AM
How long was this tour going to last ?
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: RoyalWatcher on March 16, 2009, 10:58:34 AM
I believe it was scheduled to be a 10-day tour. So, they should be wrapping up this week sometime.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: RoyalWatcher on March 16, 2009, 11:01:24 AM
I'm loving the color of HRH The Duchess of Cornwall's suit. It's quite beautiful.

Thank you for posting the link, Lucien.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 16, 2009, 11:21:30 AM
The lime green suit ? yes it suited her but it looks a bit too tight for her.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: RoyalWatcher on March 16, 2009, 03:16:22 PM
Yes, that's the one. Lovely.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: joan_d on March 16, 2009, 06:26:50 PM
I saw pictures on PoW in the Amazon rain forest dressed in a suit, shirt and tie !!!!!!   Somebody should tell him.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Grace on March 17, 2009, 01:34:14 AM
That is his style and I think he always looks immaculate, if not dressed in what most would regard as appropriate for such occasions.  He dresses and looks as a Prince of Wales and future king should, in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: TampaBay on March 17, 2009, 09:34:53 AM
That is his style and I think he always looks immaculate, if not dressed in what most would regard as appropriate for such occasions.  He dresses and looks as a Prince of Wales and future king should, in my humble opinion.

Grace,

You make an excellent point.  Charles has excellent personal style for a future King.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 17, 2009, 02:25:10 PM
Yes. Like Bertie (King Edward VII) and David (Edward VIII and Duke of Windsor) before him, the current Prince of Wales mastered the art of dressing early. The person people watch for possible clitches is HRH The Duchess of Cornwall.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 20, 2009, 12:03:18 AM
That is his style and I think he always looks immaculate, if not dressed in what most would regard as appropriate for such occasions.  He dresses and looks as a Prince of Wales and future king should, in my humble opinion.

Seumour Island,Galapagos Islands±

http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=9393083&pos=4

http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?page=2&ShowPicture=9400790&pos=9

courtesy Royalimages

(never mind the captions,Galapagos China is a bit of a stretch... ::))
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: joan_d on March 20, 2009, 09:28:02 AM
I agree that he does always look immaculate - who would in tailor-made Saville row suits BUT.....  A suit shirt and tie in the middle of the Amazone rainforest just made him look ridiculous, out of touch and extremely eccentric !!   IMHO
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: RoyalWatcher on March 20, 2009, 10:03:49 AM
That's our Prince Charles  ;  )
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 21, 2009, 04:24:27 AM
I agree that he does always look immaculate - who would in tailor-made Saville row suits BUT.....  A suit shirt and tie in the middle of the Amazone rainforest just made him look ridiculous, out of touch and extremely eccentric !!   IMHO

And some more...: ;D

http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?page=6&ShowPicture=9393145&pos=47

http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?page=7&ShowPicture=9393105&pos=52

http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?page=21&ShowPicture=9377670&pos=163

http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?page=21&ShowPicture=9377636&pos=165

http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?page=21&ShowPicture=9377513&pos=167

courtesy Royalimages.

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: RoyalWatcher on March 21, 2009, 10:03:03 AM
The longish blazer type coat that Camilla wears is quite flattering on her. It reminds me of the ensemble she wore to her marriage blessing ceremony. They really flatter her figure. Excellent choice...she should wear those more often. I'm also loving the small umbrella she takes with her. For some reason it reminds me of Queen Mary.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on March 27, 2009, 12:22:07 AM
The Prince,an old bat and two special ladies:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/03/prince-charles-and-three-special-ladies.html

courtesy hja ;D

Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: alixaannencova on April 24, 2009, 04:10:40 AM
Not sure if this has been posted but it may be of interest to some and may be a reminder too if the link has been posted elsewhere:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I-HkPnHOL8

It's jolly interesting! Lots of Camilla too!


Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: RoyalWatcher on April 24, 2009, 09:41:16 AM
Many thanks, Toots.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: grandduchessella on April 27, 2009, 09:33:32 AM
Charles & Camilla in Rome

(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00531/charle_rome4_531472a.jpg)

"The Prince of Wales today presented his second wife to the Pope for the first time, at the start of a visit to Italy largely dedicated to climate change and sustainable agriculture. The Duchess of Cornwall met Pope Benedict XVI when the pontiff offered the couple a private audience at the Vatican. The royal couple arrived yesterday and are staying with President Napolitano at the Quirinal Palace, before travelling to Venice tomorrow and then to Germany.

Under Vatican protocol the Prince was expected to first hold talks with the Pope before being joined by the Duchess. However, the royal couple were received together for the 15-minute audience, with the Duchess wearing a black silk dress designed by Anna Valentine and a matching veil or mantilla. The prince also held talks with Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Secretary of State, for over half an hour.

A Vatican communique said there had been "cordial discussions" and an "exchange of views" on "the human promotion and development of peoples, environmental protection and the importance of inter-cultural and inter-religious dialogue for furthering peace and justice in the world"...The prince, who was wearing a dark blue suit with a black tie, gave the Pope 12 dessert plates decorated with paintings of flowers from his Highgrove estate, adding: "I don't know whether these will be of any help to you," as he handed them over. He also gave him a framed and signed photograph of himself and his wife. The Pope, who thanked his guests in English, gave the royal couple an etching depicting the pre-sixteenth century St Peter's Basilica, before it was redesigned by Michelangelo and other Renaissance masters, and a set of papal medals. Prince Charles told the Pope he was "most touched" by the gifts. As he was leaving he was heard to say - in an apparent reference to John Paul II, Benedict's predecessor - "he was such a wonderful man, we miss him terribly"....The prince met Pope John Paul II in 1985 when he visited Rome with Diana, Princess of Wales. His meeting with Pope Benedict was his first audience at the Vatican since his divorce from in 1996 and her death a year later....At one point the prince presented Arthur Edwards, the royal photographer of the Sun newspaper, to the Pope, saying: "He's a marvellous man. He has been following me for 35 years, and he's a Catholic".

Before the meeting at the Vatican, the prince delivered a keynote speech on climate change to an invited audience at the Chamber of Deputies of the Italian Parliament, and later joined a meeting of Italian business leaders to discuss environmental issues. He also held a reception to promote "Slow Food" culture of local sourcing and organic production. He has brought with him beef from his Highgrove estate and lamb from Wales, served at the reception by two top Italian chefs, Andrea Berton and Carlo Cracco.

In a front page article in La Repubblica today. the prince called for a "new Renaissance", saying that tackling climate change and "sustainable agriculture" were vital "if we want to protect our planet for future generations". He said scientific predictions on global warming were "ever more alarming" and called for "collaboration between communities, nations and continents" to provide a "global response". The prince said: “I believe strongly that the response we make to the challenge before us will define our era. Just as the Italian Renaissance defines for so many of us in Europe a reawakening of cultural and intellectual identity at the end of the medieval period, so our actions today could be remembered as a renaissance in how we live, and the beginning of a new era in the effective stewardship of our planet.”

He added: “While in Italy, I will attempt to set out some of the forms that such co-ordinated action might take and outline some of the principles which might help us in our quest for greater environmental sustainability. But whatever the specifics, the crucial point I want to emphasise is that we need to act now - with real urgency. I wish it wasn’t the case and it was possible to continue with business as usual. But, unfortunately, it is the case and, if we continue as usual, then we will bequeath a terrible, poisoned legacy to our children and grandchildren." He said he sincerely hoped "that our two countries, whose histories have been intertwined for over 2,000 years, will once again join with common purpose to lead the world away from disaster and towards a fair, safe and sustainable future.”

The prince also spoke of his sorrow over the earthquake which struck the Abruzzo region on April 6 and which claimed nearly 300 lives."
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on April 27, 2009, 10:36:03 AM
The first day of the official visit to Italy and The Vatican:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1240844829.html

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1240830793.html

courtesy Marianne & Karen ,GREMB.
Title: Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
Post by: Lucien on April 27, 2009, 03:59:13 PM
TRH meeting HH the Pope:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8019885.stm