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Title: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: isabel on September 01, 2005, 05:49:17 AM
I have read, that Marie Alexandrovna promoted the engagement and marriage of her eldest daugther, Marie, to Ferdinand of Roumania. Her husband, the Duke of Edinburgh prefered too see her betrothed to her cousin George, son of the Prince of Wales. But the mother said that  " NO DAUGHTER OF HERS WOULD MARRY AN ENGLISH PRINCE IF SHE COULD HELP IT.

She was herself married with an english prince, her children were half english, even if she had always been homesick for Russia, did she really prefere her daugther to be Queen of Roumania, than Queen of England??

I belive that George hoped to marry Marie, and that he spoke to her parents, obviously he was refused.

This prohibition about english princes, was only relating to George because in Russia marriages between first cousins were forbidden, or concerned all the Princes??

¿Was she so unhappy in England?

Perhaps this story is not true, but only a legend?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: amelia on September 01, 2005, 07:10:54 AM
DG Maria of Russia was very unhappy in England, mainly because she never got along with  Queen Victoria. Also, her marriage was not a happy one, that's why she did not want any of her daughters to marry an English Prince.She was happier when her hunsband became GD os Coburg.Amelia
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: bluetoria on September 01, 2005, 09:57:16 AM
Poor Marie really didn't like anything English, did she? The food was bland, she didn't like her home - Clarence House - the Queen's company was oppressive, the late nights were tiring, her husband was a philanderer and her sisters-in-law were not happy about her insisting on retaining her Imperial status....

Bit of a bad show all in all...

And so what did she do? Married her daughter off to the heir to the Roumanian throne and in Roumania Missy found....

the company tedious, her Queen oppressive, her husband was a bit of a philanderer etc. etc. etc. Out of the frying pan into the fire!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: isabel on September 01, 2005, 02:19:12 PM

Did Marie (daughter) loved George?? i belive that George was very Close to Edimburgh cousins.

If she did, i wonder why her father, the Duke, didn´t imposed his oppinion , he was agree with the posibility of the marriage¡¡¡

About Marie Alexandrovna obviously , she wished to be for ever "Her Imperial Higness", and didn´t try to adopt her husband country, as her mother, Marie of Hesse, and many others royal relatives did.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 01, 2005, 02:25:55 PM
George (10 years older than Missy) adored her - to Missy, George was her 'beloved chum'.

Marie Alexandrovna hated it in England - she hated the Princess of Wales, daughter of the measly king of Denmark, outranked her, a Russian Grand Duchess!

And I think Missy flourished in Romania - she like it there (at least after Carol I died) and her theatrical instincts served her well!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Valmont on September 01, 2005, 02:56:44 PM
If she hated the Princess of Wales, how did she feel about her other sister-in-law?  (minnie).. Did she hated her too?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 01, 2005, 04:06:03 PM
Hmm . . . I don't know . . . I suppose if she disliked Alexandra she would dislike Minnie by association . . . and before Minnie came she had been first lady of the Russian court . . .
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: isabel on September 01, 2005, 05:48:04 PM
But, ....when she married Alfred, she knew that Alexandra was the Princess of Wales, and that one day she will became Queen of England, and not her. So...i don´t understand way she hated Alexandra.

Perhaps, because she was the daughter of the Tzar, and the only girl of her family, she was too spoiled.

Prince Lieven, about Marie of Roumanie, what do you mean saying that she had Theatrical instincts? was she a theatrical women?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on September 02, 2005, 01:43:01 AM
Well, I think Marie have enough reasons to hate Alexandra. Prss of Wales was a daughter of a mere King of Denmark, she was the spouse of the heir of the throne (so Marie was on the 2d place!!!...awful situation for the only spoiled daugther of the mighty Russian Emperor).Alexandra was a beauty...and Marie was not. Moreover Marie was very proud of her strong intellect and considered Alexandra a light-minded and foolish woman.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Linnea on September 02, 2005, 05:28:05 AM
It must have been like a curse for "poor" Marie A.:Born as a czar´s daughter, she couldn´t get "higher" socially throgh marriage (as she couldn´t marry her brother ;)).
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: lostfan on September 04, 2005, 03:02:05 PM
At the time George was "courting" Missy, he was third in line to the British throne. His older brother Albert Victor was still alive and expected to succeed to the throne after their father, so no one expected George to become king until his brother died in 1892. By that time, Missy was already either engaged or married to Ferdinand.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 04, 2005, 03:05:06 PM
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Prince Lieven, about Marie of Roumanie, what do you mean saying that she had Theatrical instincts? was she a theatrical women?


She certainly was - vain, theatrical, flamboyant and highly lovable.  :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: isabel on September 05, 2005, 12:42:46 PM
Thanks Prince Lieven for your answer.

Any way, if Maria Alexandrovna, had such a strong caracthere, if she was so intransigent, what did she think about Duky´s divorce??, and when she married Cyril Vladimirovich?? (They where first cousins).

I belive that Nicholas was not agree with this union, and overcoat, Alix was furious. Cyril´s mother, always defended her son, and what about Maria Alexandrovna?

Her eldest daugther, Beatrice, married an spanish catholic prince, did she liked this marriage??

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marc on September 05, 2005, 04:41:30 PM
I think I read in ''Lifelong passion'' that Marie Alexandrovna was also for this marriage(Cyrill-Ducky),but would be also interesting to know her opinion about Sachsen-Coburg/Orleans marriage...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on September 06, 2005, 10:08:49 AM
I thought I read somewhere (perhaps Missy's memoirs?) that Alfonso was Marie's favorite SIL. At any rate he and Beatrice spent a good amount of time with Marie. Ironically considering how Ducky's marriage turned out, I believe that Marie liked Ernie as they had artistic & cultural interests in common.

Perhaps Marie's feelings re: George & Missy would've been different had he been the heir then, perhaps not. While he was still the 2nd son of a (future) monarch, Missy would've been in the same position as Marie herself was and she would've been adamantly against that.

She wasn't thrilled about the Ducky & Kyril marriage but reacted strongly at what she perceived as the unfair & harsh treatment given to her daughter after her divorce & the remarriage.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: isabel on September 06, 2005, 01:47:24 PM
Dear Grandduchessella,

I am absolutly agree with your arguments.

Marie Alexandrovna begins to interesed me, because of her gravity and solemnity in all the photographs i saw of her person. I don´t know if it was because of sadness and melancholy or because of her strong caracthere, perhaps a mix of this two?

I think that the destiny of the lives of her children weren´t as brilliant as she expected.

I haven´t see any photograph of her with her grand children, i think that her family life was not very warm.

I belive she died in 1920, does someone knows where??
Was she accompanied by her family??
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Linnea on September 06, 2005, 02:09:50 PM
Marie with grandchildren:
(http://www.royalty-postcards.com/Images/Wanted/Germany/Marie_Saxe-Coburg_&_grandch.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: isabel on September 06, 2005, 02:45:13 PM
Oh Linnea¡¡ What a beautiful picture, who are the children with Marie???

Tanks so much.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Linnea on September 06, 2005, 02:48:40 PM
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Oh Linnea¡¡ What a beautiful picture, who are the children with Marie???

Tanks so much.

I think they are Beatrice´s sons. Please correct me if I´m wrong!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 06, 2005, 02:59:07 PM
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Dear Grandduchessella,

I am absolutly agree with your arguments.

Marie Alexandrovna begins to interesed me, because of her gravity and solemnity in all the photographs i saw of her person. I don´t know if it was because of sadness and melancholy or because of her strong caracthere, perhaps a mix of this two?

I think that the destiny of the lives of her children weren´t as brilliant as she expected.

I haven´t see any photograph of her with her grand children, i think that her family life was not very warm.

I belive she died in 1920, does someone knows where??
Was she accompanied by her family??


She died in Switzerland. I don't think anyone was with her.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Linnea on September 06, 2005, 05:32:06 PM
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She died in Switzerland. I don't think anyone was with her.

In Zürich, to be accurate...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: isabel on September 07, 2005, 12:45:26 AM
She lived in Zurich??

Where is she buried??
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Linnea on September 07, 2005, 04:16:09 AM
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She lived in Zurich??

Where is she buried??

she is buried in the mausoleum Glockenberg in Coburg besides her husband
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Linnea on September 07, 2005, 04:20:07 AM
(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-countries/germany/coburg/mausoleumglockenberg/mausoleum.JPG)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: isabel on September 07, 2005, 06:10:41 AM
Thank you Linnea, and all of you, who have participated in answer muy questions about Marie Alexandrovna.

Thanks specially Linnea, for your photo of MA with her grand children, where did you find it?

And finally, can someone tell me where can i find a book about her life.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 07, 2005, 03:18:49 PM
I don't know of a biography of her . . . but she is mentioned frequently in John van der Kiste's the Romanovs 1818-1959 and, I would imagine, his other book about Affie, but I can't remember the exact name . . .
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on September 07, 2005, 06:34:44 PM
It's Dearest Affie... by van der Kiste and Bee Jordaan. It's pretty hard to find though.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on September 08, 2005, 12:48:01 AM
There is a biography on Maria Alexandrovna in Russian. It's a limited edition - small soft-cover book. One can find it only in the libraries  :(.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marc on September 10, 2005, 09:39:33 AM
Svetabel,have you read this biography?
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Post by: Svetabel on September 11, 2005, 06:40:39 AM
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Svetabel,have you read this biography?



Of course  :). Not an exciting one ;), just facts of MA's life. Quite an informative book though.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marc on September 11, 2005, 11:56:16 AM
Tja,I thought it would reveal some interesting facts about her life...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marc on September 11, 2005, 12:24:26 PM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/breezer22/MASCGotha.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marc on September 11, 2005, 12:26:44 PM
Photo of Alfred and Marie...
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Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 11, 2005, 12:28:07 PM
(http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs11/marieedinburgh1853.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: isabel on September 12, 2005, 03:14:01 AM
Beautiful pictures Marc and Prince Lieven.

About Marie´s  relationship with her russian family, was she in good terms with the IF?, specially with Nicholas and Alix? I don´t remember to have seen any pick, of her with members of IF after her marriage, ......was she agree with the hypothetic marriage of Olga Nicholaevna and her grand son Carol of Roumania?

Where was she during the revolution??. i supose that after the refusal of George to give refuge to IF, her feelings towards England get worse.

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on September 12, 2005, 07:38:44 AM
I don't think she hd a good relationship with N&A. She wasn't especially close to her Hessian relatives and after the divorce of Ernie & Ducky and the subsequent punishment of Ducky when she married Cyril things probably got much worse. There are some pictures of them though on another thread.

She was still close to her own Romanov relatives though. She visited Russia and was one of the few Romanovs to brave the terrorist threat and attend her brother Serge's funeral in 1905.

She was in Germany during the Revolution but she seems to have become more German and was angry at Russia for being on the 'wrong' side of the war. She died in 1920 and I don't know about her feelings towards England after the war and revolution. She appears more with German relatives after 1900 and I don't know how much she even visited England after the death of Alfred and QV.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: isabel on September 12, 2005, 09:26:00 AM
Dear Grandduchessella, was not Nicky as her nephew, her own Romanov relative?

Who where her german relatives?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 12, 2005, 10:25:55 AM
She had plenty of German in-laws and such - her daughter Alexandra married a German, and she was related to the Hesse brood by marriage (Affie was related to the Hesses through his sister Alice) and by blood (her mother was a Hessian princess).
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: isabel on September 12, 2005, 10:59:47 AM
So, she was close to her Hessian relatives?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 12, 2005, 11:02:24 AM
Ooh, I couldn't answer for certain - perhaps grandduchessella knows?
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Post by: ajv123ajv on September 12, 2005, 11:09:17 AM
Just as a side line to this topic - my Great Grandfather was house steward to the Duke and Duchess and visitor Russia with the duke when he married the Grand Duchess.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 12, 2005, 11:20:32 AM
Oooh, how very interesting, Great Dude! Did he leave diaries or memoirs?
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Post by: isabel on September 12, 2005, 11:27:34 AM
Really? i can´t belive it¡¡, can you tell me more about them ?
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Post by: grandduchessella on September 12, 2005, 04:59:12 PM
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Dear Grandduchessella, was not Nicky as her nephew, her own Romanov relative?

Who where her german relatives?

Thanks in advance.


Sorry--I meant her own immediate family--parents and siblings as opposed to cousins and nieces/nephews.

By German relatives, she spent a good amount of time with the Kaiser and his court and also with her husband's successor as Duke of Coburg, Charles Edward, and his family as well as her daughter Sandra and her husband & children.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on September 12, 2005, 05:02:12 PM
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So, she was close to her Hessian relatives?


I get the impression she wasn't. Perhaps as a child when her mother (a Hessian princess) was alive but not so much when she was grown. Alfred was close to his sister Alice but Alice died not that many years after Affie & Marie married. There were some photos with Ernie taken before the marriage to Ducky but apart from large gatherings there doesn't seem to be much interaction. She may have been fond of Prince Louis of Battenberg since he served a good number of years with Affie on his ship.
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Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 13, 2005, 11:30:22 AM
Heehee, I KNEW Grandduchessella would know.  :D
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Post by: isabel on September 13, 2005, 12:26:44 PM
Louis de Battenberg was the husband of Victoria of Hesse (Alix´s sister)?
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Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 13, 2005, 12:41:02 PM
Yes, he was, Isabel.
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Post by: Svetabel on September 13, 2005, 02:54:43 PM
Maria Alexandrovna when she did not dream about "English princes"  :)...She looks like a boy here.

(http://ing.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/malex.jpg)
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Post by: isabel on September 13, 2005, 03:08:11 PM
Beautiful.

She looks like a boy because of her cutted hair, but she has a sweetness in her look that i didn´t saw before in any of others pictures of her.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: José on October 17, 2006, 04:20:53 PM
Dis Marie Alexandrovna stay in Coburg after her husband death ?
Did she get along with her nephew Carl-Edward ?
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Post by: Yseult on October 17, 2006, 05:52:35 PM
I´m not sure, but I believe that Marie lived in Coburg after the death of her husband. Around 1918, if I´m not wrong, the new duke Carl-Edward lost his dukedom and all the members of the family became private citizens. Marie was at this time living in Switzerland, where she died in 1920.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on October 17, 2006, 08:02:22 PM
I"ve read conflicting reports about the Edinburgh/Albany relations in Coburg. It certainly couldn't have been easy for Marie to see another come into take her late son's position. Helen and Marie were also 2 of the stronger personalities amongst QV's children-in-law. Nonetheless, there are many pictures of the 2 branches of the Coburgs together at family events so there couldn't have been a complete breach.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on November 02, 2006, 11:48:40 AM
Dear Grandduchessella,

I am absolutly agree with your arguments.

Marie Alexandrovna begins to interesed me, because of her gravity and solemnity in all the photographs i saw of her person. I don´t know if it was because of sadness and melancholy or because of her strong caracthere, perhaps a mix of this two?

I think that the destiny of the lives of her children weren´t as brilliant as she expected.

I haven´t see any photograph of her with her grand children, i think that her family life was not very warm.

I belive she died in 1920, does someone knows where??
Was she accompanied by her family??



I think she must have been pleased with what some of her daughters did anyway, or at least that of her eldest, Marie whose marriage she pushed to Ferdinand. She must have been satisfied there, although Ducky's marriage to Kyril was controversial, and her marriage to Ernest of Hesse was not happy. Her youngest daughter's marriages were not perhaps that brilliant. Also, I am sure her son's death affected her. She seems not to have been the warmest of people; she was so Romanov. She certainly didn't like it in England, but as well in not letting the marriage of George and Marie take place, she was wise. Marie belonged more in Romania than in England-her mother might have known that.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ena on November 02, 2006, 09:08:39 PM
Marie Alexandrovna is one of my faves.  However, she always seemed to be taking care of her children into their adulthood; coming to their rescue and worrying financially (in Ducky's case).  Three of her daughters appeared to be unsettled and spurned in love in some way; Sandra in a so-so marriage for the child of a Romanov.  I too wonder why we don't see many photos of her with her grandchildren. 
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on November 02, 2006, 10:13:59 PM
I'm sure they're out there but attention tends to focus on Missy and Ducky rather than their sisters or their parents so there are a good number of photos that are probably sitting in archives waiting for the right writers.  :) Plus, she was separated from many of her grandchildren during WW1 and died not too long after (1920) so there aren't the usual 'proud grandmother at the wedding' type of photos since, except for her older Romania grandchildren, her grandchildren were still pre-teen and younger when she died. There are some nice ones of her with two of Bee's children and I've seen some of her with Elizabeth of Hesse. She probably saw Sandra's children the most but, being the least-explored of her children, there just hasn't been the forum for those photos to be published.

As for the marriages, it's ironic--she was so intent on marrying her daughters young, yet the one who took the longest to 'match up', Beatrice, had the happiest marriage. Perhaps there was something to be said for letting the girls age a bit and see what was out there.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Grace on November 02, 2006, 11:13:55 PM
Marie Alexandrovna is one of my faves.  However, she always seemed to be taking care of her children into their adulthood; coming to their rescue and worrying financially (in Ducky's case). 

Yes -- but it is strange that her care didn't seem to extend to her only son -- he was palmed off elsewhere as a young child and with tragic results.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: ilyala on November 03, 2006, 01:59:24 AM
i don't think she had much of a choice there. grandma victoria decided his daddy was gonna be duke of coburg so the son had to be raised as a future duke of coburg.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Grace on November 03, 2006, 04:49:12 AM
I believe the decision regarding Young Alfred's education was made by Marie, Duchess of Coburg, Ilyala, certainly not Queen Victoria.  As far as I know, it was Prince Albert, anyway, who promised his brother that his second son (Alfred Snr.) could be his (Ernest's) heir. 

Alfred Junior was removed from his family at the age of only eight to be educated for his future role and that family appeared to have no idea he was being ill-treated by his tutor and the bad company he got into later on.

What about Charles Albany then?  Later on, when he was being groomed to be future Duke of Coburg, his mother and sister moved to be with him.   

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on November 03, 2006, 10:27:52 AM
Yes, she was intent on matching up her daughters. Her first daughter's marriage no doubt lived up to her expectations, although her second daughter didn't fare so well, she made good matches, but these weren't always in the best of circumstances, nor did they end well. I think she most likely she was ok with her daughter's marriages, although the younger two could have married better, true. She was always interested in status. What plans did they have for Alfred with regards to marrying? It seems this would have been important. Her relationship with her grandchildren is most likely contained in photos that have not yet been fully published..
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: ilyala on November 03, 2006, 11:09:13 AM
I believe the decision regarding Young Alfred's education was made by Marie, Duchess of Coburg, Ilyala, certainly not Queen Victoria.  As far as I know, it was Prince Albert, anyway, who promised his brother that his second son (Alfred Snr.) could be his (Ernest's) heir. 

Alfred Junior was removed from his family at the age of only eight to be educated for his future role and that family appeared to have no idea he was being ill-treated by his tutor and the bad company he got into later on.

yes, prince albert made the promise but by the time young affie was born it was queen victoria's wish, as she was hanging on to albert's dreams and thoughts.

i am not so sure marie agreed on her young son being taken away from her so early. judging by the way she raised her daughters (always controlling everything and everyone that came in contact with them) do you really think she would have agreed to lose control of her son? this to me sounds more like something she had to accept. but i'm open to disagreements since i'm not entirely documented on the matter
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Post by: imperial angel on November 03, 2006, 11:16:22 AM
Well, she wanted status. I would think this enhanced her son's status, so maybe she was okay with it. But at the same time, it was her only son, although she seemed more interested in controlling her daughters, because she knew she could, perhaps.  ;) It always strikes me that they never paid as much attention to their only son, and that they never really attempted to save him from his own excesses as much as they could have. Perhaps they had just grown apart from him, but still. I think this choice was not his mother's abiout being taken away, but that it was the only thing they could do given his eventual status.
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 03, 2006, 07:06:49 PM
What plans did they have for Alfred with regards to marrying? It seems this would have been important.

He was engaged to one of the twin granddaughters (either Olga or Elsa, I can't remember but think it's the latter) of Grand Duchess Vera Konstantinova (Queen Olga's sister) who were Duchess of Wurttemberg. The marriage was called off.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ena on November 03, 2006, 09:38:40 PM
Marie Alexandrovna is one of my faves.  However, she always seemed to be taking care of her children into their adulthood; coming to their rescue and worrying financially (in Ducky's case). 

Yes -- but it is strange that her care didn't seem to extend to her only son -- he was palmed off elsewhere as a young child and with tragic results.
I see what you mean.  However, I tend to think differently in terms of the heir for every family.  It reminds me of the comment Marie Antoinette made about her first child being a girl.  Something to the effect of, "a son belongs to the state, but you shall be mine."  I think it was a popular theme throughout the royal houses.

I think you just accepted that your heir didn't in effect belong to you, but to the people.  That whole idea of the sacrificial first son.
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Post by: CountessKate on November 05, 2006, 11:48:44 AM
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"a son belongs to the state, but you shall be mine."  I think it was a popular theme throughout the royal houses.

That may be so, but it's a long way from giving up on your son and leaving him to die alone.  He wasn't much use to the state then.  The fact of the matter was that, especially in Germany, boys were allowed and indeed actively encouraged, to become independent of their mothers and I suspect Marie resented that.  It was perfectly OK to dominate your daughters, and marrying them off young ensured they didn't attain sufficient maturity to rebel.  No doubt she thought she was doing the best thing for them, but as grandduchessella says, Beatrice, who took a long time about it, ended up with the happiest marriage and her mother had the least to do with arranging it.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on November 06, 2006, 12:31:10 PM
Yes, it seems the son was regarded as the state's especially when it was an only son, as in this case. I believe that Prince Alfred was an heir, yet at the same time, he wasn't heir to the throne of England, but he was an heir to a duchy in Germany. So while, in part, this attitude explains what happened, it doesn't explain all of it.It seems there was more indifference to Alfred than usually existed with regards to heirs, but it could have been because his family didn't know what was going on, and didn't bother to keep themselves informed. Still, it is strange. Thanks for letting me know who he would have been married off to.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: lori_c on November 14, 2006, 10:35:07 AM
I  know that she didn't want Missy marrying George V because they were first cousins.  Why did she allow Ducky's later marriages?
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Post by: imperial angel on November 14, 2006, 11:55:44 AM
Well, she actually wished Ducky's first marriage as far as I know. I think that Ducky's first marriage was largely arranged, and her mother must have agreed with it. It turned out to be a disaster. As for her second marriage, it was to a member of her own family, her nephew, but it was controversial, and Ducky wanted it no matter what- no one could tell her she was wrong. I can't remember what her mother thought about it, but this has been discussed in some thread.
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Post by: lori_c on November 14, 2006, 12:09:45 PM
Well, i know the objection was the first cousin thing because in the Orthodox Church this is prohibited.  I also think George V wasn't an option because MA didn't like the English Royal Family.  But if she was so devout, wouldn't Kirill being an objection too, even if it WAS her nephew?
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Post by: imperial angel on November 14, 2006, 12:19:34 PM
Yes, that seems right, that Kyril was a first cousin so she might have objected. I am not sure how devout MA was, although it is true that she always wanted to be surrounded by her traditions of Russian Orthodoxy in England. I should investigate that more, as honestly I don't know the answer. I think that of all her children, MA's relationship or the lack thereof with her son, is most interesting, to me anyway, and he died so young, and there are so many unanswered questions involved with his death.
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Post by: lori_c on November 14, 2006, 01:11:24 PM
Yes, that seems right, that Kyril was a first cousin so she might have objected. I am not sure how devout MA was, although it is true that she always wanted to be surrounded by her traditions of Russian Orthodoxy in England. I should investigate that more, as honestly I don't know the answer. I think that of all her children, MA's relationship or the lack thereof with her son, is most interesting, to me anyway, and he died so young, and there are so many unanswered questions involved with his death.
I thought that he died of syphillus.  I read that on Wikipedia.  I couldn't find any reference about abuse from his tutors but then again I am only beginning to learn about the Edinburgh family. I recently started a biography about Queen Marie of Roumania and there is much info on MA in it as well as her son.
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 14, 2006, 02:03:35 PM
I don't think her objection to George was so much the fact that they were cousins as much as she disliked and resented the English Court and didn't want her daughter to be part of it--even if it would've been a glittering position. (George was the heir by then)

She was not happy with Ducky's arrangement--that was primarily orchestrated by Alfred (who had wished the marriage of George and Missy) behind her back.

It doesn't seem that she discouraged Bee much in her love for Grand Duke Michael (Misha) despite the first cousin relationship. Perhaps she felt it was an infatuation that would run its course, though it turned into quite a drama on Bee's part.
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Post by: Marlene on November 14, 2006, 02:39:15 PM

The relationship between young Affie and his parents was not a very good one.  He also had an awful reputation and was involved in one scandal after another. It should come as no surprise that his engagement was called off.  Yes, he probably contracted venereal disease - and he was in a sanitarium.  However, he apparently tried to kill himself on the night of his parents 25th anniversary - and died a few days later.    I am actually the one who discovered that he had been engaged.

Yes, it seems the son was regarded as the state's especially when it was an only son, as in this case. I believe that Prince Alfred was an heir, yet at the same time, he wasn't heir to the throne of England, but he was an heir to a duchy in Germany. So while, in part, this attitude explains what happened, it doesn't explain all of it.It seems there was more indifference to Alfred than usually existed with regards to heirs, but it could have been because his family didn't know what was going on, and didn't bother to keep themselves informed. Still, it is strange. Thanks for letting me know who he would have been married off to.
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Post by: imperial angel on November 14, 2006, 03:59:04 PM
Well, I am glad someone did the research there. I think that he was indeed a scandal, a bit like the Hanoverians, perhaps. But, it may have been more his upbringing than what he was. He wasn't raised that well, and his family apparently didn't know or they were just not informed in general. Why was the relationship so bad? Was it just distance from him or what? He seems like he was nice enough, but just not raised well.
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 14, 2006, 04:58:46 PM
There was a report in England in 1897 (quickly shot down by the Coburg court) that young Alfred was to be engaged to Princess Feodora of Saxe-Meiningen. I'm presuming this is Charly's daughter 'Feo', especially given that Charly and Marie were very great friends and Charly spent a good deal of time at Coburg.

His engagement to Elsa was announced in the Times (in the Court Circular) but I don't think there was any follow-up announcement about the ending of it.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on November 15, 2006, 02:01:10 PM
Regarding the Duchesses last years. I'm still not completly clear. When did she leave Russia? Why was she living in a hotel annexe? John van der Kiste writes that she had lost everything and was penniless. Did she still have her household? :( :(. Such a sad contrast to such an amazing start.
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Post by: Marlene on November 15, 2006, 02:17:02 PM
Marie Alexandrovna left Russia when she married.  But she certainly lost her russian fortune after 1918, and of course, she also lost her home in Coburg.  I am not even sure if she received a pension from the UK because she was the widow of a British prince.  She had the misfortune to be in Germany what the revolution happened - and to lose her Russian appanage, and whatever benefits she had as the widow of a reigning duke.  She probably did not have her own money ...
Regarding the Duchesses last years. I'm still not completly clear. When did she leave Russia? Why was she living in a hotel annexe? John van der Kiste writes that she had lost everything and was penniless. Did she still have her household? :( :(. Such a sad contrast to such an amazing start.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on November 15, 2006, 02:20:25 PM
Thank you Marlene. I was under the impression she was still spending a lot of her time in Russia and left shortly before the revolution. I wonder what happened to her amazing jewels which had once ruffled QV's feathers!! :D
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 15, 2006, 04:53:22 PM
Many of her jewels were passed onto her daughters. Until fairly recently, her ruby parure was in the hands of the Hohenlohe-Langenberg family (the descendants of Sandra) but I think at least part of it was recently sold.

http://www.royal-magazin.de/german/hohenlohe/hohenlohe.htm

Missy received some of her pearls, I believe.

She held onto her wedding dress and her granddaughter Kyra wore it at her wedding to Prince Louis Ferdinand of Prussia.

Her situation might have improved had she lived longer--until the aftermath of WW2, Duke Charles Edward lived pretty comfortably after reaching an agreement with the German government, as did most of the deposed royalty.

It seems the loss of so much around her, especially so many relatives but also the financial and material side, was finally too much for her. Missy writes very movingly of how she found her mother so changed, physically and emotionally, when she was able to see her again, not too long before she died. Marie must've felt very adrift--she'd never really considered herself part of the British royals (though her children did), and her adopted country (Germany) was an entirely changed place and her native country (Russia) was completely lost to her.
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Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 15, 2006, 10:11:33 PM
Can anyone give me a more depth description of what MA was like? I know the basics, but there really is a dearth of information available on her, at least free information.... if anyone has any anecdotes or pictures they could share, that'd be great. I also find it odd that there are so few pictures of her in the early years of her marriage. Anyone have any?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marlene on November 15, 2006, 10:15:35 PM
You will find information about Marie Alexandrovna in biographies about her daughter, Marie, for example, as well as Marie's own memoirs.  I believe JOhn Wimbles wrote a profile of Marie for Royalty Digest (the publication is not online).   John van der Kiste's bio on Alfred would of course have information about marie Alexandrovna as well.   Other biographies as well ... lots of information to mine, actually.

Can anyone give me a more depth description of what MA was like? I know the basics, but there really is a dearth of information available on her, at least free information.... if anyone has any anecdotes or pictures they could share, that'd be great. I also find it odd that there are so few pictures of her in the early years of her marriage. Anyone have any?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ena on November 16, 2006, 09:15:24 AM
The book "The Grand Duchesses" has a nice chapter on Marie by Wimbles. 
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Post by: royal_netherlands on November 16, 2006, 10:36:29 AM
Two pictures of Marie Alexandrovna.

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/81475_128379.jpg)
Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh and Saxe-Coburg together with his new wife, Princess Maria Alexandrovna of Russia and his family in-law.
 
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/81570_128474.jpg)
I believe this is Marie Alexandrovna in elder-age, but date is unknown any idea?

RN
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Post by: emeraldeyes on November 16, 2006, 03:24:11 PM
That second pic looks like a composite to me.

Not really relevant to this discussion, but in the new book about the the jewels of the tsars, there is a picture of the ruby and diamond tiara and necklace the Grand Duchess received as a wedding present.  In the caption of the photo is a rather amusing though most likely apocryphal anecdote - that she was very proud of her Russian Imperial heritage and let no one forget that she was the daughter and sister of a tsar, and that she survived the revolution only to die of a heart attack when German officials addressed her as "Frau Coburg".  I had to chuckle at that one...how the mighty are fallen, indeed!
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Post by: gogm on November 16, 2006, 08:44:22 PM
Turn of the century, judging by the style.
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Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 16, 2006, 08:53:09 PM
That definatley looks like a composite...and it mustbe a wig, I mean, her hair looks blonde in most pictures of her when she was young...She didn't age well though.
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Post by: ilyala on November 17, 2006, 12:07:32 AM
That definatley looks like a composite...and it mustbe a wig, I mean, her hair looks blonde in most pictures of her when she was young...She didn't age well though.

i believe her hair turned darker as she grew old. much like queen victoria who was a blonde as a teenager.
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Post by: royal_netherlands on November 17, 2006, 07:56:07 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/81453_128357.jpg)
Grand Princess Maria Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh dresses in Russian court dress.

RN

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Post by: emeraldeyes on November 17, 2006, 08:42:42 AM
That latest picture so kindly posted by royal_netherlands goes a long way towards proving that the 3/4 view is the most flattering pose. 
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Post by: lori_c on November 17, 2006, 09:38:57 AM
Can anyone give their thoughts  on who she resembles the most in that 3/4 pose picture?
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Post by: imperial angel on November 17, 2006, 10:15:20 AM
Well, nobody ever called Marie a beauty, but she was kind of pretty in youth. I think she resembled the Romanovs rather than her mother's side of the family. I think she greatly resembles her brother, Alexander III here. What was Marie's relationship with her mother anyway? She was the only daughter except for that one who died young.
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Post by: Prince_Lieven on November 17, 2006, 10:18:49 AM
Both her parents doted on her, I believe.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on November 17, 2006, 11:31:51 AM
Apparently Marie and her brothers all adored their mother and were disgusted with their father for having a mistress.
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Post by: imperial angel on November 17, 2006, 11:54:23 AM
Well, lots of people were.. it was quite a scandal and their mother was a quiet, meek woman who certainly never deserved her husband's treatment of her. I think she turned out more like her father in the end than her mother.
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Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 17, 2006, 04:38:19 PM
Did Marie even really want to leave Russia? I know her father was very reluctant to let her, and I know she wasn't very happy in England with her in-laws. What did Queen Victoria think of her?
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Post by: Prince_Lieven on November 17, 2006, 04:43:10 PM
Victoria considered all the Romanovs arrogant, and thought Marie's wish to take precedence over Alexandra ridiculous.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on November 17, 2006, 05:21:47 PM
Yes, which it was! She may have been no 1 in Russia after her mother, but in England she had to make way for Alix and QVs daughters, like it or lump it!
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 17, 2006, 06:25:05 PM
Can anyone give their thoughts  on who she resembles the most in that 3/4 pose picture?

There are some childhood photos, like this one, where I think she bears a strong resemblance to her cousin Grand Duchess Olga Konstantinova (Queen Olga of Greece) so I guess she resembled the Romanov side more than her mother's Hessian side. She certainly didn't have her mother's delicacy of features or slight frame.
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Post by: imperial angel on November 19, 2006, 07:54:09 PM
Did Marie even really want to leave Russia? I know her father was very reluctant to let her, and I know she wasn't very happy in England with her in-laws. What did Queen Victoria think of her?


I wonder if she ever wanted to leave Russia as well? But, I haven't read that much about her not wanting to leave Russia, so I think she just assumed she would make a dynastic marriage and move away, as it turned out she did. Most Romanov GDs did so then, but she was quite close to her father, so maybe that made it harder to move away. But, apparently it didn't stop her, and maybe she never thought it would. I would think she had some regrets after her marriage though, for moving away from Russia.
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Post by: ilyala on November 20, 2006, 12:09:11 AM
actually i read she was quite reluctant to agree to the marriage and that the official engagement was postponed many times, driving affie nuts and making queen victoria believe that maybe it just won't happen. at some point, though, she realized she was nearing 20 and not many men were eager to marry her so she agreed to it. i don't know if this whole thing was about her not wanting to leave russia or about her being a spoilt brat :P
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Post by: imperial angel on November 20, 2006, 08:46:37 AM
But wasn't her marriage to Alfred something of a love match? I thought it was, and that she wanted the marriage despite opposition to it. But, maybe there were other reasons beside the personal for her objections as you state. I was just wondering if it was more personal, because maybe the marriage was half hearted, or if it was more trepidation at what her new life might hold, despite the prospect of marrying Alfred?
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Post by: royal_netherlands on November 20, 2006, 10:56:30 AM
Can anyone give their thoughts  on who she resembles the most in that 3/4 pose picture?

There are some childhood photos, like this one, where I think she bears a strong resemblance to her cousin Grand Duchess Olga Konstantinova (Queen Olga of Greece) so I guess she resembled the Romanov side more than her mother's Hessian side. She certainly didn't have her mother's delicacy of features or slight frame.

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/QueenOlga.jpg)
This one the look quit similar. (from the Queen Olga thread)

Yes I was thinking the same thing gdella, In this picture she strongly resembles her cousin Queen Olga of Greece. Because when I first say this picture, I thought it was Olga Konstantinova, but with a second look I discovered it wasn’t her but Marie Alexandrovna. :D

RN

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Post by: lori_c on November 20, 2006, 10:58:32 AM
I did too.  Thought it was GD Olga  Konstantinova.  What a strong Romanov gene!
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Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 20, 2006, 11:10:13 AM
They do look amazingly similar- I'd say the only real difference is in the nose (MA's was a bit shorter and wider). Does anyone have anymore pictures?
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Post by: Laura_ on November 20, 2006, 11:26:27 AM
Portrait of Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna by  Ivan Alexeevich Tiurin (1873)

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c399/Laurra_/picture.jpg)
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Post by: royal_netherlands on November 20, 2006, 11:45:27 AM

Wonderful picture Laurra. :D
I believe this is her to. 
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/17986v.jpg)

RN :)
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Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 20, 2006, 12:26:49 PM
I wonder if there are any pictures of her in Russian court dress when she was younger...I know there's one of her and her daughters when she's older, and there's the previous one on this thread, but that dosen't have very good definition.

Nice portrait though, Laura! There was another one I saw somewhere once, but I can't remember where it is...
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Post by: imperial angel on November 20, 2006, 12:28:06 PM
It is interesting that a woman who was rather plain, could have had such lovely daughters as she did, but I think they looked more like their father. She was Romanov looking, though and had lovely coloring, judging from that portrait.
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Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 20, 2006, 12:53:21 PM
Well, there's every chance in the world that she had a nice smile, which can really improve a person's looks. I could only find this one: (http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6655/madw4.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=madw4.jpg) quite the mischevious look, eh?
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Post by: Laura_ on November 20, 2006, 01:05:07 PM
another one ,same sitting :)

 (http://img28.imagevenue.com/loc305/th_49414__MID_0330001646_5mb_122_305lo.jpg) (http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=49414__MID_0330001646_5mb_122_305lo.jpg)
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Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 20, 2006, 01:13:16 PM
I always like this series of photos, you can really see how close they were- they hardly seem posed at all.
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Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 20, 2006, 01:14:05 PM
I always liked this series of photos- you can really see how close they were, they hardly look posed at all.
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Post by: ilyala on November 21, 2006, 03:51:43 AM
But wasn't her marriage to Alfred something of a love match? I thought it was, and that she wanted the marriage despite opposition to it. But, maybe there were other reasons beside the personal for her objections as you state. I was just wondering if it was more personal, because maybe the marriage was half hearted, or if it was more trepidation at what her new life might hold, despite the prospect of marrying Alfred?
.

well, i think she was attracted to alfred but i don't think it was a true love match (something of the 'this is the man of my dreams' sort).
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Post by: imperial angel on November 21, 2006, 10:59:58 AM
Well, then what was the main motive for her marriage to Alfred? I think she wanted to marry, and was perhaps not in love with him, but that the marriage was her choice. She may have wanted someone different from whom most Romanovs married, perhaps. But she was marrying beneath her, as it were, and I can't imagine that she thought she would be happy in England.
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Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 21, 2006, 12:21:24 PM
From what I've read, she seemed to think that she would retain her position of preeminence in England, and being married simply kept her from becoming a spinstered throwback in Russia, where she would have faded greatly in importance on the death of her father. And then she ended up hating England because she was outranked and generally underappreciated compared to her sisters-in-law, particularly the Princess of Wales. She was used to being pampered and having all the attention and praise from the men in her life being focused on her, and that changed in England, where she was quite unspectacular compared to Alexandra or Louise. Obviously none of that had been said by her, but I imagine that's how one used to getting her way would feel when one is suddenly dumped into a family of strong-willed women!   
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Post by: imperial angel on November 21, 2006, 12:41:28 PM
I agree with you, but I wonder why she ever thought that she would be more important in England?  It just wasn't very good reasoning, although I can see why she might have thought so. I think she should have married someone in a more powerful position, and that she should have been a consort. But, as far as I know, no marriages were planned for her.Had she remained in Russia, she might have been less important, but she would still have been the Tsar or ex Tsar's only daughter. Surely some would pay attemtion to that. She must not have been passionately attached to her homeland, and perhaps more attached to the idea of being seen as important- who knows?
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Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 21, 2006, 12:55:27 PM
It's an interesting thing to ponder... perhaps she was so sheltered it never occured to her that anyone would ever rank above her aside from her father, not even the consort to the heir of the British throne. She was approaching 20 when she married, but prehaps she followed in that trend of child-like Grand Duchesses. It'd be interesting to find out who her tutors were- they probably went a long way to influencing her in her beleif that she was so important. That, and living in Russia, she must not have met many foreign heads of state, versus someone from the continent or Britain,  so she may not have been used to acquiesing to others.
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 21, 2006, 01:07:51 PM
I think she believed it would be because she was an Imperial Highness whereas the other royal women were 'just' Royal Highnesses.
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Post by: lori_c on November 21, 2006, 01:46:00 PM
Well, then what was the main motive for her marriage to Alfred? I think she wanted to marry, and was perhaps not in love with him, but that the marriage was her choice. She may have wanted someone different from whom most Romanovs married, perhaps. But she was marrying beneath her, as it were, and I can't imagine that she thought she would be happy in England.

I don't know if this is accurate but quoting from the book "Marie of Roumania" by Terrence Elsberry: concerning Marie Alexandrovna

"After a three year courtship pushed forward by the politically-minded Prince of Wales, the marriage lapsed due to the Tsar's (Alexander II) lack of interest.

Then in January 1873 word reached the Queen that the young Grand Duchess had "compromised" herself with one Russian prince "if not others" and that her parents were ready to see her safely married.  Finally, news of the betrothal arrived [to England}.

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Post by: lori_c on November 21, 2006, 01:50:34 PM
I think she believed it would be because she was an Imperial Highness whereas the other royal women were 'just' Royal Highnesses.

Also a quote from the book "Marie of Roumania" by Terrence Elsberry:

"Victoria was naive to think a young woman raised as the second lady of Tsarist Russia would submit graciously to becoming a subservient fixture at her own rigid monotonous court.  Nor had she reckoned with Marie Alexandrovna's masterful and dominating personality. There would be no browbeating this new daughter-in-law as she was apt to do with her own children.  The girl's likes and dislikes anad pet aversions were as inflexible and as prejudiced as the Queen's.  And from the first, Missy's mother hated England."
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Post by: Grace on November 21, 2006, 04:04:55 PM
It would seem that MA and her family were also naive if they expected her to be top of the pecking order once she joined the British Royal Family! 
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Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 21, 2006, 08:38:08 PM
Quote
"After a three year courtship pushed forward by the politically-minded Prince of Wales, the marriage lapsed due to the Tsar's (Alexander II) lack of interest.

Then in January 1873 word reached the Queen that the young Grand Duchess had "compromised" herself with one Russian prince "if not others" and that her parents were ready to see her safely married.  Finally, news of the betrothal arrived [to England}.

Huh! Interesting! I wonder who it was?! MA must have had a great deal more pizzaz then I thought- she certainly dosen't look it, especially as she grew older. Was she faithful to Alfred, I wonder? 
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Post by: ilyala on November 22, 2006, 12:19:37 AM
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"After a three year courtship pushed forward by the politically-minded Prince of Wales, the marriage lapsed due to the Tsar's (Alexander II) lack of interest.

Then in January 1873 word reached the Queen that the young Grand Duchess had "compromised" herself with one Russian prince "if not others" and that her parents were ready to see her safely married.  Finally, news of the betrothal arrived [to England}.

Huh! Interesting! I wonder who it was?! MA must have had a great deal more pizzaz then I thought- she certainly dosen't look it, especially as she grew older. Was she faithful to Alfred, I wonder? 

she most definitely was! and i don't think the rumours were true either. she simply wasn't the type to do anything of the sort.

about her thoughts on the british court, we must remember: she didn't have many suitors . her mother had tried to fix her up with ludwig 2nd (!!!!!) of bavaria, but apparently the bloke was more interested in the mother than the daughter (imagine the match!!!  :o). her options were pretty much spinsterhood, alfred or, maybe, just maybe, some russian aristocrat. in the case of the russian aristocrat she would have definitely lost precedence at the russian court and that would have probably been worse (losing a precedence over a court you have always been a favorite at - think of minnie). so maybe she wasn't delusional, she just chose the smallest bad thing.
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Post by: lori_c on November 22, 2006, 09:12:04 AM
It would seem that MA and her family were also naive if they expected her to be top of the pecking order once she joined the British Royal Family! 

Another quote from "Marie of Romania":

When Marie Alexandrovna discovered athat not only the Princess of Wales, but all of her husband's sisters took precedence before her, she withdrew from court.  The Tsar [AII] asked that his daughter continue to be called an Imperial rather than a Royal Highness, but agreed she couldn't take precedence over the heir's wife.  Both father and daughter, howeveer  held out for Marie's position ahead of the Queen's daughters."
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Post by: Eddie_uk on November 22, 2006, 11:24:57 AM
I think she believed it would be because she was an Imperial Highness whereas the other royal women were 'just' Royal Highnesses.

Also a quote from the book "Marie of Roumania" by Terrence Elsberry:

"Victoria was naive to think a young woman raised as the second lady of Tsarist Russia would submit graciously to becoming a subservient fixture at her own rigid monotonous court. 

Victoria naive?! Never!! ;D It was Marie who should have done without the haughty opinions! "When in Rome....."

Besides Victoria was not happy with her as Affies choice of bride, referring to it as "The murder is out"!!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on November 22, 2006, 05:14:17 PM
Yes, she may just have been naive, although I wonder if it was more than that. I think she may have thought she was above all that, and would always be the most important. She had been not only the tsar's daughter, but his only one who lived, and thus it was easier for her to think she was important. It wasn't really a fault, as it was so natural that she would think so. Despite her status, she might have found it hard to get a match, right. That kind of makes you wonder if royal marriages of the time weren't all about status,l but also included looks or personality. But, I think the marriage was in part a love match, even so, there were just many issues concerning it.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 22, 2006, 09:57:22 PM
It probably helped that she was taught (unlike her english relatives) that her family had a mandate from God to rule (or something to that effect).
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eddie_uk on November 23, 2006, 02:11:00 AM
I really wasn't being sarcastic. I don't believe Victoria was ever naive. She was far to shrewd! :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on November 24, 2006, 05:24:55 PM
It probably helped that she was taught (unlike her english relatives) that her family had a mandate from God to rule (or something to that effect).

That seems to have been what some Romanovs thought. It depended on which, but it was a mentality native to the family. Another thing is Empress Alexandra certainly had this mentality after she married Czar Nicholas. She was a grand daughter of Queen Victoria though, and Grand Duchess Marie A. was the only daughter of a Czar, so it is easier to see her thinking this way.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 24, 2006, 06:23:11 PM
It would seem that MA and her family were also naive if they expected her to be top of the pecking order once she joined the British Royal Family! 

Another quote from "Marie of Romania":
  Both father and daughter, howeveer  held out for Marie's position ahead of the Queen's daughters."

And I believe that precedence over the Queen's daughters did not occur until after Marie became Duchess of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 26, 2006, 03:23:42 PM
Ha, came across this rather interesting quote in 'Victoria's Daughters'

Marie supposedly commented thus about the bomb thrown during Princess Ena's wedding to Alfonso that she didn't understand what all the fuss was about because "these things happen in Russia all the time."

That gave me a kind of a surprised chuckle!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on November 26, 2006, 07:16:33 PM
Well, she was right! All Romanovs lived their life in danger of this sort of thing to some degree. Marie Alexandrovna's own father died from this. Maybe, she felt safer in a foreign country than Russia, and thus wanted to marry abroad, whoever it was, and whatever chance it was? But, then she wasn't the kind of woman to be imtimdated by these sorts of things.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on November 26, 2006, 10:47:21 PM
Ha, came across this rather interesting quote in 'Victoria's Daughters'

Marie supposedly commented thus about the bomb thrown during Princess Ena's wedding to Alfonso that she didn't understand what all the fuss was about because "these things happen in Russia all the time."

That gave me a kind of a surprised chuckle!

I think George V commented on it in a letter--it supposedly didn't help anyone's frayed nerves.

Marie had not only lost her father by a bomb, but her brother Serge the same way just the prior year. Unlike many Romanovs, she went to Serge's funeral in defiance of the security threat. She wasn't cowed by much.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: ilyala on November 27, 2006, 12:20:50 AM
Ha, came across this rather interesting quote in 'Victoria's Daughters'

Marie supposedly commented thus about the bomb thrown during Princess Ena's wedding to Alfonso that she didn't understand what all the fuss was about because "these things happen in Russia all the time."

That gave me a kind of a surprised chuckle!

 :D
she reminds me of that annoying aunt that always interferes and comments on everything and has something to say on every subject and mumbles in a world of her own - annoying and funny at the same time. someone that might irritate you on the spot but years later you remember her and have a good laugh
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 27, 2006, 09:57:23 AM
Apparently Tennyson wrote an ode to her, too- it sounds like he didn't know her very well, though!  ;D I'd post it, but it's very long. Just google: Marie Alexandrovna Tennyson and it should come up.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: lori_c on November 28, 2006, 11:24:35 AM
It would seem that MA and her family were also naive if they expected her to be top of the pecking order once she joined the British Royal Family! 

Another quote from "Marie of Romania":
  Both father and daughter, howeveer  held out for Marie's position ahead of the Queen's daughters."

And I believe that precedence over the Queen's daughters did not occur until after Marie became Duchess of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha.

You are correct.  When Marie became Duchess she superceded the Princess of Wales and the rest of the girls. Even though she retained the title of Her Imperial Highness at her father's insistence as the wife of Prince Alfred.   before she became Duchess of Coburg.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: emeraldeyes on November 28, 2006, 12:17:21 PM
Here is the Tennyson piece. 

A Welcome to Her Royal Highness Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh

The son of him with whom we strove for power-
Whose will is lord thro' all his world-domain-
Who made the serf a man, and burst his chain-
Has given our prince his own imperial Flower,
Alexandrovna.
And welcome, Russian flower, a people's pride,
To Britain, when her flowers begin to blow!
From love to love, from home to home you go,
From mother unto mother, stately bride,
Marie Alexandrovna!

The golden news along the steppes is blown,
and at thy name the Tartar tents are stirr'd;
Elburz and all the Caucasus have heard;
And all the sultry palms of India known,
Alexandrovna.
The voices of our universal sea,
On capes of Afri as on cliffs of Kent,
The Maoris and that Isle of Continent,
And loyal pines of Canada murmur thee,
Marie Alexandrovna!

Fair empires branching, both, in lusty life!-
Yet Harold's England fell to Norman swords;
Yet thing own land has bow'd to Tartar hordes
Since English Harold gave its throne a wife,
Alexandrovna!
For thrones and peoples are as waifs that swing,
and float or fall, in endless ebb and flow;
But who love best have best the grace to know
That Love by right divine is deathless king,
Marie Alexandrovna!

And Love has led thee to the stranger land,
Where men are bold and strongly say their say; -
See, empire upon empire smiles today,
As thou with thy young lover hand in hand
Alexandrvona
So now thy fuller life is in the west,
Whose hand at home was gracious to thy poor:
Thy name was blest within the narrow door;
Here also, Marie, shall thy name be blest,
Marie Alexandrovna!

Shall fears and jealous hatreds flame again?
Or at thy coming, Princess, everywhere,
The blue heavan break, and some diviner air
Breathe thro' the world and change the hearts of men,
Alexandrovna?
But hearts that change not, love that cannot cease,
And peace be yours, the peace of soul in soul!
And howsoever this wild world may roll,
Between your peoples truth and manful peace,
Alfred - Alexandrovna


It's so...well...effusive.  All I could think of when I saw the title is that Marie must have cringed at being termed a mere Royal Highness. 
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: TampaBay on November 29, 2006, 04:31:03 AM
I find Marie very interesting.  Jenny Churchill wrote very flattering things about her.  Towards the end of her life (the last 20 years) she became very close to both Alix & Minny.  She was close to Leopold all her married life.  EVII had nothing bad to say about her and George V though her and (Olga) as second mothers.

Grandduchess Ella needs to write her book on Marie as there is so much we do not know.  I hope her letters are published soon.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on November 29, 2006, 07:41:07 AM
Thanks as always for your faith in my writing ability, TB.  :)

I'd be happy for the project that John Wimbles was working on to finally come to fruition in some form or the other. The articles he's written on Marie and her daughters (many using letters from Marie) are fascinating and enlightening. I really hope that someday he gets a book on Marie done.

The was an old magazine (Munsey's?) that published some letters that Marie wrote to Jenny Churchill--it might have been part of a series on reminiscences by Jenny, I can't really remember. The tone was so different from what one might have expected of Marie based on her familiar image--they were warm and funny.

There were also some excerpts I read where Marie was writing about the von Angeli (?) portrait that was done of the family where she was very disparaging about her looks, referring to her 'pig-face' and wondering why she should be painting--she seemed almost embarrassed at the idea of being immortalized in a portrait. That, to me, showed a more vulnerable side than one usually associates with Marie.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on November 30, 2006, 10:57:34 AM
I think Marie was a nice person, she tried to be a good mother, and a good royal. She was down to earth in personality, one thinks, but could be haughty in manner. She was a Romanov though, and England was not a country where she fit in, especially when Queen Victoria was the dominant figure. They were never going to get along, something Queen Victoria most likely knew better than her. ;) But, she was hard to get along with when she was out of her element, MA. Had Queen Victoria tried very hard to get along with her, maybe she might have?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ena on November 30, 2006, 11:12:24 AM
I thought that MA and QV got along towards the end of QV's life.  I always thought they were the same in personalities which is why they bumped heads so much.  Plus, I think that QV was a bit taken aback that MA stood up for herself in front of her MIL.  Something that QV came to respect.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Grace on November 30, 2006, 04:02:20 PM
But, she was hard to get along with when she was out of her element, MA. Had Queen Victoria tried very hard to get along with her, maybe she might have?

I doubt if Queen Victoria felt she had to try "very hard" to get along with one of her daughters-in-law.  I think she would have felt it should have been the other way around.  ???
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on November 30, 2006, 04:44:00 PM
I agree--it wasn't in Queen Victoria's nature as a woman or a monarch to try and bend to suit others. She also wasn't impressed by the Romanovs at all--she had refused to travel to Germany (?) to meet Empress Marie A. when the marriage negotiations were going on saying that as a reigning monarch--and one who had reigned longer than Alexander II, they could come to her. Of course, this probably wasn't the best beginning to the MIL/DIL relationship.  :P

The relationship did seem to improve in later years. QV appreciated that Alfred hadn't been an easy husband, to say the least, and I think she respected Marie's strength of character more as the years went on. Alfred becoming Duke of Coburg and giving Marie a real sense of purpose probably helped sooth things over--plus it took them out of the Queen's orbit and control. They spent more time together in the last years of the Queen's life and Marie made sure to stop and get Elizabeth of Hesse on her way to England so that the Queen could see her one last time. That shows a real consideration that might not have been there years prior.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Katherine The O.K. on November 30, 2006, 04:55:32 PM
It's too bad that Marie A didn't marry a soon-to-be-soveirgn or king, she sounds like she would have made an excellent queen, especially in terms of will power!

And I don't think MA was necessarily haughty so much as insecure. The fact that she dislikes her 'pig-face' (I can commiserate) and mentions it at least indicates that she wasn't vain. I imagine when you're physically insecure and surrounded by beautiful women (Alix, Louise, etc) you feel a need to claim some kind of superiority, if only so you can feel as though you're on equal footing. I'm sure MA was terrified when she moved to England and she reacted poorly by pulling rank, perhaps in some attempt to seem worthy when compared to the other women in her new family. She may not be a beauty, but she is a Tsar's daughter. Such thinking goes a long way to bolster self-esteem, and it must have made it somewhat easier for her to adjust. Although Victoria certainly disliked it!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on December 04, 2006, 08:54:23 AM
Well, it was entirely understandable that she did dislike it.  ;) I wonder how much of what MA was said to be, or was not went back to her childhood, because at one time she wasn't the Czar's only daughter. She did have a sister, who, I believe died at the age of seven named Alexandra. I can't remember if she was older or younger than her, although I think it was older. She might have, in the aftermath or, or knowing her sister's death, been even more moved to assert herself as the Czar's daughter, ( and this lay in her personality as well),  because maybe she was a bit jealous of her sister ( if she was insecure)? Alexandra was by all acounts the beloved daughter of Czar Alexander II. Then again, wasn't it a bit unusual to be the only daughter of a Czar? For someone like MA, it was easy to make the most of that fact. The last thing she needed was an English marriage, though.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on December 04, 2006, 09:05:43 AM
She was older--the first born child actually. Alexandra was born in 1842 and died in 1849. Marie was born in 1853.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ena on December 04, 2006, 09:37:19 AM
Marie was the long awaited for girl after Alexandra's death.  After all those boys, AII and his wife cherished another girl.  I'm at work, but there is a quote in Camera and the Tsars about their feelings when Marie was born.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on December 04, 2006, 12:36:28 PM
Perhaps because she was so important to them, she had a higher opinion of herself than otherwise, in addition to being a Romanov? I think that's what I was trying to say above. But, surely she knew how important her sister had once been to them. That might have been a memory for her, albeit not one of her own, but one she knew about through the family.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ena on December 04, 2006, 07:40:27 PM
Got it.  From The Camera and the Tsars. 

Alexander II-
"We lost our eldest girl and we had so ardently wished for another - her birth was a joy and a delight...When she was in the school room, our hours did not suit and I could very seldom have her to walk with me, but then on Sundays she was mine and we always walked together...yesterday when the hour came round, I could not help telegraphing to her how I was thinking of her and our walks."
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: ilyala on December 05, 2006, 02:06:59 AM
i think there must have been some contrast between the parents' attitude and marie's own opinions. i mean, she must have noticed the many beautiful women around the russian court and must have had some feeling of inferiority. especially since she wasn't very courted (does anyone know of any other serious contender for her hand except affie?). and then she went to the english court where the ever elegant alexandra was... that must have been quite frustrating. especially since this time there were no parents to spoil her, just queen victoria trying to bring her to submission. yes, there must have been some insecurity there.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on December 05, 2006, 10:26:55 AM
If her sister had lived, she would not have been as important. That leaves me wondering if she would have has as good an opinion of herself as otherwise, had her sister lived. She passed on the self importance to her children, although I would not describe any of her daughters as being insecure. On another note, in one photo in Camera and the Tsars, has anyone noticed the resemblance her young son Alfred bore to the Vladimirvitchi, his cousins? It just astounded me, it's that photo where her children are so young.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ena on December 05, 2006, 10:56:34 AM
It's hard to say what impact her older sister would have been had she lived.  I say this because since Alexandra was 7 years older, it might have had little difference.  If Alexandra had lived and married at say 18, Marie would still have been the little girl at home. 
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on December 06, 2006, 08:33:18 AM
Well, perhaps not in a practical way, it would not have made much difference. But it seems to me it would have had more impact on how MA thought of herself, and her percieved importance in the family, and that could have had repercussions that extended to her marriage and later life. But, perhaps it was just her personality to be this way anyway. ;) Was Alexandra beloved because she was the only daughter at the time, or was she more of a favourite child in general?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: ilyala on December 06, 2006, 12:54:19 PM
well fathers tend to love their daughters very much. in this case, considerring the succession to the throne was definitely assured (plenty of sons!) there was no need to pressure for sons and alexander could just focus on how much he prefers daughters personally. men want boys because boys assure the passing forward of the name. but generally speaking fathers prefer daughters (there are exceptions, obviously).
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on December 06, 2006, 01:04:36 PM
So, perhaps both Alexandra and her sister woukd have been treated the same even if Alexandra had lived? In her lifetime, Alexandra was defintely an unsually beloved child. MA was beloved in an deep way as well, to her father, and I am sure mother. If they had two girls, though maybe they each would not have meant as much, but who knows? There were still plenty of boys to outweigh things. I conclude, therefore, that MA never grew up in her lost sister's shadow. What other reasons why might MA have been insecure, besides those already stated ( which are good points).
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marie Valerie on December 09, 2006, 08:10:33 AM
Quote

her mother had tried to fix her up with ludwig 2nd (!!!!!) of bavaria,
but apparently the bloke was more interested in the mother than the daughter (imagine the match!!!  :o)


Ludwig II. called Maria Alexandrovna in his letter "My Empress", it seems really he had a little crush on her...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: TampaBay on December 09, 2006, 10:03:00 AM
I think Marie Alexandrovna wa completely mis-understood.  I do not think her marriage in its early years was a bad as it is made out to be.Marie was highly intelligent and well educated.  Many of her close friends were commoners from the aristocracy of England such as Jenny Churchill.  She did not consider women inferior to men.   Like Cookie and Wallis she ruled her homes and palaces.  She was a very hands on mother.  Her nieces and nephews adroed her.  Nothing fazed or shocked her.

She was simply a women 30 years ahead of her time.  She would have made a great tsar!!!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on December 10, 2006, 06:43:50 PM
Well, she was all that. She did have a deeply practical nature, on the evidence. I am not sure about how intellectual or interested in politics she was. If anything, I am sure she had conventional Romanov views, which would not have fit well in England. She believed in autocracy and such. It was simply the wrong country for her to marry into, although Alfie was perhaps not the wrong person to marry.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on December 10, 2006, 10:36:25 PM
She seems to have been rather intellectual--at least she was certainly intelligent and well-read. She was also very cultured and there are numerous mentions in the Court Circular of her attending various plays and the opera when she was in England. This is part of what bound her to another 'outcast' in the family, Prince Leopold. Her son-in-law, Alfonso, and her daughter, Beatrice, were of a similar bent--perhaps because Beatrice spent so much time at home, not marrying until her 20s.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on December 11, 2006, 12:17:56 PM
I think she was that. She passed on her intelligence to her daughters, although they defintely had more looks and personality than she did. She seemed dull on the surface, but perhaps she wasn't as dull beneath the surface. She was someone who may have had more abilities than she was ever given credit for, unlike her daughters who were given credit for their abilities.That might have been because Missy was more flexible than her mother, and less the type to think highly of herself. Thus she fit better in a different country, although arguably, Romania WAS the right country for her. Ducky, like her mother was inflexible, but she had more of a personality seemingly, and a dark beauty, and then there is her life story. About her two younger daughters I know less, although Sandra was seen as dull, and most likely wasn't so dull, and that's a bit like her mother perhaps.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on December 11, 2006, 03:03:19 PM
There are threads on both Alexandra (Sandra) and Beatrice (Baby Bee) if you'd like to read more about the sisters. I think there are actually 2 on Beatrice--one deals with Beatrice and her cousin Victoria Eugenie, two British princesses in the Spanish royal family.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on December 11, 2006, 03:11:36 PM
I know a bit about Sandra, but I'm not sure if I have ever read that thread. She seems the dullest of the sisters, but who knows how true that is? The youngest one is one I don't know much about. I think of the daughters of MA, it is the two eldest that stand out, if only because they became more famous than the rest. There is not as much info readily at your fingure tips with the other two. I think it might be because they made less prominent marriages? MA was certainly a good if domineering mother at times.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Laura_ on December 11, 2006, 03:17:54 PM
you can find a thread on  Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg "Sandra" on the  The Hohenzollern boards , second page  :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eddie_uk on December 18, 2006, 03:09:30 PM
Am bumping this thread up. What happened to the posts regarding that awful fake brooch?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on December 18, 2006, 05:08:04 PM
I removed the original post (my own) and the follow-up since it was determined the brooch didn't belong to Marie Alexandrovna. I didn't see any point in having it around since it turned out not to have anything of historical relevance.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Forum Admin on December 18, 2006, 05:49:02 PM
Whew! thought I was going crazy there for a minute myself, since I hadn't deleted them.  Though to be fair Courtney, there was some value in the lesson about how much fake/spurious "Faberge" and supposed "Imperial" provenance material is out there. I thought that part was of some value to the discussion...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on December 18, 2006, 11:15:13 PM
Sorry about that--I figured it was more diversionary than anything since I hadn't listed the seller's name or even the ebay item number. I guess I was too zealous in squashing a potential off-topic diversion.  :P  Maybe we could add a discussion such as that to one of the threads on Romanov items/antiques?

I did start a thread on it after all  :)

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,8701.new.html#new

Hopefully the FA will contribute what he had posted prior to this thread.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Robert_Hall on December 19, 2006, 07:36:07 AM
I hope so as well, since I missed out on this one.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Sissi on December 22, 2006, 09:23:44 AM
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/mariaalexandrovnaandhussband.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/mariaalexandrovnasitting.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Katherine The O.K. on December 22, 2006, 12:35:16 PM
Nice pictures, Sissi! Marie looks alot like Victoria and Missy in the top one. Do you have any more?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Sissi on December 22, 2006, 03:44:31 PM
Nice pictures, Sissi! Marie looks alot like Victoria and Missy in the top one. Do you have any more?

I have this one too with baby Alfred:

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/mariaandaffie.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on December 22, 2006, 05:47:11 PM
I think Missy resembled her mother more than Ducky did. She does look very much like Missy in the polka dot dress photo. The picture of her and young Alfred is rather sad, although it was happy at the time, because you end up thinking about what happened in the end with their only son.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: TampaBay on December 23, 2006, 05:08:54 AM
After Beatrice was not allowed to marry her first cousin (the Tsar's brother) Michael, Marie Coburg was all for the spanish marriage from waht I have read.

Missy was for the spanish marriage too and "Ali" became her favorite brother-in-law.  "Ali" according to Missy's memiors was half spanish and half french receiving "the better of both halves"

TampaBay
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Angie_H on December 23, 2006, 09:33:14 PM
Are there any pictures of Marie's elder sister Alexandra who died young? AII had mentioned how much he cherished Marie since she was his only girl since Alexandra died.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: ashdean on December 24, 2006, 02:52:28 AM
Yes, she was intent on matching up her daughters. Her first daughter's marriage no doubt lived up to her expectations, although her second daughter didn't fare so well, she made good matches, but these weren't always in the best of circumstances, nor did they end well. I think she most likely she was ok with her daughter's marriages, although the younger two could have married better, true. She was always interested in status. What plans did they have for Alfred with regards to marrying? It seems this would have been important. Her relationship with her grandchildren is most likely contained in photos that have not yet been fully published..
These photographs may sadly have been destroyed in the terrible fire at Schloss Langenburg in 1963.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: imperial angel on December 26, 2006, 12:01:45 PM
Are there any pictures of Marie's elder sister Alexandra who died young? AII had mentioned how much he cherished Marie since she was his only girl since Alexandra died.

I don't believe there are any pictures of her, from what I have read. This was discussed in some thread awhile back. I am not sure about portraits, but don't believe I have seen any.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: ilyala on January 01, 2007, 04:28:42 PM
(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/romanov/romanov3/1853%20Marie-05.JPG)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: lori_c on January 03, 2007, 10:27:19 AM
(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/romanov/romanov3/1853%20Marie-05.JPG)
Thank you ilyala for that awesome picture of GD Marie A.  Where is it from?

Lori
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on January 03, 2007, 02:31:18 PM
You can go here:

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/romanov/romanov3/1853%20Marie-05.JPG

The site as a whole is a great one.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: lori_c on January 03, 2007, 04:02:45 PM
As always, thank you Grandduchessella.  That is truly a wonderful site. 
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Katherine The O.K. on January 03, 2007, 07:49:48 PM
I wonder if there are any pictures of MA with her daughters as babies or toddlers?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on January 03, 2007, 10:21:41 PM
There's this well-known one of Marie and Missy:

http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs11/marieedinburgh1853-8.jpg
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Laura_ on January 04, 2007, 05:39:48 AM
for some reason i love that photo  :D thank you grandduchessella for posting it :)

there are some of MA with Alfred as toddler and here's this lovely family pic :

 (http://img125.imagevenue.com/loc381/th_10802_alf1_122_381lo.jpg) (http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=10802_alf1_122_381lo.jpg)


from : http://www.btinternet.com/~sbishop100/
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Katherine The O.K. on January 04, 2007, 04:29:58 PM
Nice! Thanks guys! Laura, could you post those other pictures with MA and Alfred or direct me to them?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: TampaBay on January 04, 2007, 07:45:45 PM
Nice! Thanks guys! Laura, could you post those other pictures with MA and Alfred or direct me to them?


I am sue Laura can do whatever you need...She is one great girl!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: TampaBay on January 04, 2007, 07:51:09 PM
There's this well-known one of Marie and Missy:

http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs11/marieedinburgh1853-8.jpg

How does one get a picture/avitar besides one's name???

TampaBay
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Laura_ on January 05, 2007, 07:16:43 AM
Nice! Thanks guys! Laura, could you post those other pictures with MA and Alfred or direct me to them?

i've seen some in Zeepvat's The Camera and the Tsars and in Cripps' picture books i think :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: kmerov on February 08, 2007, 03:10:37 PM
Alexandra seems to have taken Marie's view in the question on rank when it came to the daughters of QV.

A letter to MF
"We had a big drawing room, where Marie stood besides Beatrice, that is her rank here, after all the sisters, married and even unmarried! I find it charmant,  extremely rude, entre nous? The Emperor of Russias only daughter! There should have been made an exception with her, even if it is law here in England..."

A picture of the Duchess of Edinburgh with the HIH
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Great%20Britain/mariealexandrovna.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on February 08, 2007, 10:06:07 PM
That's strange--I thought QV wrote that Marie had precedence after herself, Alexandra and Vicky (when she was in England) but not the other sisters.  ???

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: James1941 on February 08, 2007, 11:09:14 PM
She would have, as the wife of the Duke of Edinburgh, outranked Beatrice. As consort of the reigning Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha she would have outranked Beatrice. This is just more nonsense from Alexandra, who was too dumb to understand or just trying to cause mischief.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: James1941 on February 09, 2007, 12:46:26 AM
The nemesis of the Coburg children were the dark forces of Dr. Rolfs, appointed tutor to young Alfred when the boy was nine years of age, and the girl's governess, Fraulein von Truchsess. Dr. Rolf was a German academic who personified German Kultur at its worst, arrogant, masterful, laying down the law with intolerance and tyranny. Young Alfred was placed completely in the doctor's charge in 1883. Dr. Rolfs wormed his way into the confidence of Marie Alexandrovna playing on her anti-British sentiments and encouraging her passion for things German. He dazzled the duchess with his erudition and culture. Since the duke had by that time pretty much abandoned the family affairs to his wife and withdrawn into his world of drink, women, hunting and travel. He found life in provincial Coburg interesting, but only in small doses. After a few weeks he got bored and headed off. As his sisters would remember him, young Alfred was "eager, blundering, a little swaggering, always getting into trouble, always being scolded", but was also tender towards others and with a heart of gold. Dr. Rolfs however was determined to master the boy, and daily subjected him to abuse by ridiculing his efforts, making the boy feel foolish and small. The doctor started out to systematically destroy Alfred's self-confidence and self-esteem.
Allied with the doctor, and soon to be married to him, was the governess of the girls. Fraulein von Truchsess.
She came from an improvished aristocratic family. She too wormed her way into the confidence of the duchess by playing on her dislike of things English. She was clever and intelligent and easily manipulated the duchess's emotions. Soon, she and Dr. Rolfs had reached the point where their word was law, their advice not questioned and the insinuations listened to without discussion. They graduated from being just a tutor and governess to taking over completely the running of the grand ducal household, and dominated the children's lives.
The duke was an absentee father. The duchess travelled to Russia several times a year, and to the Riveiera. Dr. Rolf and the Fraulein were left in total control.
Ducky rebelled. One evening, Ducky and her sisters were at the dinning table, Dr. Rolfs at one end in the duke's chair and Fraulein sitting in the duchess's place. The doctor ordered a large silver cup filled with flowers removed from the center of the table as it blocked the view of Fraulein. Ducky burst out in protest.
She loudly announced that the cup was where the duchess had placed it and that is where it was to remain.
Dr. Rolfs stuttered and tried to joke about it but Ducky refused to retreat. Dr. Rolf threw down his napkin and shouted "Well, it is either I or the pot." Ducky put out her hands around the silver cup and cooly remarked: "We prefer the pot." Dr. Rolfs retreated from the room, leaving a stunned Fraulein to eat in silence.
When he turned a teenager, young Alfred, was like all good German princes, sent off to became an army officer. He went to the cadet schools in Berlin and fell into the hedonistic life of the young, bored, aristocratic officers of the Prussian army. He may well have contracted a sexually transmitted disease. It was common. It may well have been syphillis. But I doubt that would have killed him by itself. Tertiary syphillis takes a good many years to develop to the stage where it kills. He was only 25 when he died. To have tertiary syphillis he would almost have to have contracted it before he reached puberty. Likely the disease he had was some sort of disease that attacked the nervous system. His sisters write that in the end he was kept in a darkened room. He was pale and emaciated. He could not recognize them, and "often does not know what he says, poor boy." Like all mysterious deaths that are hushed up, there is controversy over whether he did try to shoot himself, or whether it was something else.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Grace on February 09, 2007, 03:23:20 PM
Great insights, James, thank you. 

It seems the children were turned over completely to the awful Rolfs and von Truchsess, even more than was usual for the time.

I agree with you that Young Alfred probably contracted a degenerative-type of illness unrecognized at the time which was the cause of his serious decline.  Perhaps it could have been a gender-inherited one that the four girls avoided?  We will never know.  :(
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Laura_ on February 11, 2007, 03:10:43 AM
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c399/Laurra_/alex67.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: TampaBay on February 11, 2007, 06:58:00 AM
Marie was rther pretty an definitely as a young woman based on thos photograh becuse I do not beleve there was photographic air brushing in 1874.  LOL! LOL!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: ilyala on February 11, 2007, 10:48:46 AM
i think she was acceptably looking and had her poses, positions in which she looked well.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: kmerov on February 12, 2007, 01:36:07 PM
That's strange--I thought QV wrote that Marie had precedence after herself, Alexandra and Vicky (when she was in England) but not the other sisters.  ???



Yes, your right about that gdella.
Alix wrote the letter to MF soon after Marie's arrival so maybe that has something to do with it. I don't think she wrote it to cause problems though. In the letter she also wrote that she and Marie were annoyed that they didn't stand together.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on March 24, 2007, 03:26:54 PM
Maria Alexandrovna and her favourite brothers - Sergei and Pavel

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_-1.jpg)

And here as a little girl with brother Sergei and governess Anna Tyutcheva, a famous memoirist.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: TampaBay on March 25, 2007, 06:22:47 AM
She supported Bea's marriage to the Spanish Prince.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Laura_ on March 25, 2007, 06:28:31 AM
nice pics ...thanx Svetabel.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: ilyala on March 25, 2007, 07:00:17 AM
And here as a little girl with brother Sergei and governess Anna Tyutcheva, a famous memoirist.


i believe it was in missy's memoires that i read that when they went to russia her governess still treated maria like a little girl and ordered her around, corrected her when she made mistakes and maria obeyed each and every time. makes you wonder.

dunno if it was anna tyutcheva or someone else, though. can't remember.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: TampaBay on March 25, 2007, 07:32:25 AM
Well, I think Marie have enough reasons to hate Alexandra. Prss of Wales was a daughter of a mere King of Denmark, she was the spouse of the heir of the throne (so Marie was on the 2d place!!!...awful situation for the only spoiled daugther of the mighty Russian Emperor).Alexandra was a beauty...and Marie was not. Moreover Marie was very proud of her strong intellect and considered Alexandra a light-minded and foolish woman.

Marie did not hate Alexandra.  As both women aged, they became close as all sister-in-laws normally do.  Alexandra hated Germany and Marie hated England.

Marie never became "English" rejecting the culture.  However, she adapted to German culture very rapidly.   Apparently, Marie enjoyed stiff and formal protocol at all times both public & private family affairs.  QV for all pratical purposes played down stiff and formal protocol especially at private family affairs

TampaBay
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on March 25, 2007, 09:24:55 AM
And here as a little girl with brother Sergei and governess Anna Tyutcheva, a famous memoirist.


i believe it was in missy's memoires that i read that when they went to russia her governess still treated maria like a little girl and ordered her around, corrected her when she made mistakes and maria obeyed each and every time. makes you wonder.

dunno if it was anna tyutcheva or someone else, though. can't remember.

It was Countess Tolstaya, another governess of Maria Alexnadrovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on March 27, 2007, 01:43:23 PM
Does anybody have more pictures of Maria Alexandrovna?  There seem to only be a few, especially later in life.  Pictures during Edward VII and George V's coronation?
-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 27, 2007, 03:26:06 PM
Yes that would be interesting. She probably didn't have much to do with Edward VII but be interesting to know what he thought of her.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on March 27, 2007, 06:09:22 PM
I agree Eddieboy UK, I also find the realtionships between these famous people very, very interesting.  I am always intrested to find out how they snipped each other and just their general feelings about each other.  I would have loved to be part of that family. 

(Being a fly on the wall wouldn't work because there was no room on the walls!  Photos and paintings took up the all the space!) 

[A little joke there.  I try!!]

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on March 27, 2007, 07:52:28 PM
It's hard to see her but Marie is in the shadows on the far left:

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img220-1.jpg)

courtesy of royalnetherlands on the Queen Mary thread
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: TampaBay on March 27, 2007, 08:11:06 PM
I agree Eddieboy UK, I also find the realtionships between these famous people very, very interesting.  I am always intrested to find out how they snipped each other and just their general feelings about each other.  I would have loved to be part of that family. 

(Being a fly on the wall wouldn't work because there was no room on the walls!  Photos and paintings took up the all the space!) 

[A little joke there.  I try!!]

-Duke of NJ

Excellent joke!!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on March 27, 2007, 08:26:07 PM
At least someone thinks it is funny!!!! 
But honestly, talk about cluttered!  Decoration was different in those days.

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 28, 2007, 04:36:43 AM
 
But honestly, talk about cluttered!  Decoration was different in those days.



True. But I love that style. All cluttered and full of character. None of this awful IKEA stuff.  ;D
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: ashdean on March 28, 2007, 06:12:38 AM
 
But honestly, talk about cluttered!  Decoration was different in those days.



True. But I love that style. All cluttered and full of character. None of this awful IKEA stuff.  ;D
The IKEA of those days was Heals on the Tottenham Court road !!! Felix Youssoupoff sniped about Empress Alexandra's likeness for their furnishings !!!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on April 04, 2007, 07:43:51 AM
are there anymore pictures of her when she was a girl? or paintings for that matter?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: ilyala on April 05, 2007, 10:53:56 AM
this, i believe, has been posted before:

(http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs6/marierussia1853-3.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 07, 2007, 09:38:45 PM

HR&IH the grand duchess Mariia Aleksandrovna, duchess of Saxe-Coburg und Gotha & Edinburgh
(it's usually HI&RH but queen Victoria stated something to the effect of:  "i don't care whether or not she (Mariia Aleks) retains the 'Imperial', as long as the Royal comes first.)   i'm assuming Victoria had her way...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/5717a301.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 08, 2007, 02:08:04 PM
Yes, what is the story about Victoria meeting Alexander II to figure out Marie's rank and precedence.  I also vaguely remember something about Queen Victoria not travelling to Darmadstat to meet Empress Maria Alexandrovna because Victoria was a Queen regnant and Maria Alexandrovna was a consort of a man who was on the throne for a shorter time than Queen Victoria.  Could someone please elaborate on these stories if they are correct.

Thanks,

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on May 08, 2007, 04:50:04 PM
Yes, she wrote to Princess Alice that she as a Queen shouldn't be obliged to drop everything to go meet the Empress, a mere consort, to discuss the potential marriage of their children.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on May 11, 2007, 11:23:25 AM
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Czar%20Aleksanders%20family/01388r.jpg)

heres one i found of Maria ....i just love this picture! ;D
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: jfkhaos on May 11, 2007, 11:45:55 AM
Engraving of Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh (1844-1900) and the Duchess of Edinburgh (formerly Maria Alexandrovna, Grand Princess of Russia) visiting the Seamen's Children's Nurery at Wellclose Square in the London Docks.
(http://www.ilnprints.co.uk/images/M/MILNG007941.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Laura_ on May 11, 2007, 12:26:37 PM
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Czar%20Aleksanders%20family/01388r.jpg)

heres one i found of Maria ....i just love this picture! ;D

thats a nice pic indeed , one of the best of MA  :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on May 12, 2007, 05:11:48 AM
Here are GDss Maria with her mother Empress Maria Alexandrovna (at right), brother Sergei and the english Nanny of many Russian Grand Dukes Kitty Strutton (at left). There is some info on this Englishwoman in Charlotte Zeepvat's book "From Cradle to Crown" - in Russia she was called Ekaterina Ivanovna and all the Imperial Family of Alexander II and Alexander III deeply loved her.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/Untitled-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on May 12, 2007, 05:13:05 AM
GDss Maria and her favourite brothers Sergei and Pavel

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/Untitled-5-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Laura_ on May 12, 2007, 08:07:21 AM
lovely pics -are these from Charlotte Zeepvat's book "From Cradle to Crown"?  :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on May 12, 2007, 08:35:54 AM
lovely pics -are these from Charlotte Zeepvat's book "From Cradle to Crown"?  :)

No  :). From a new publication on GD Sergei, I told about the book on another thread.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on May 12, 2007, 08:37:58 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/Untitled-3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/Untitled-4-1.jpg)

with her brother GD Sergei
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on May 12, 2007, 08:38:59 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/Untitled-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on May 12, 2007, 11:34:19 AM
great pictures svetabel! i never seen them before...she looks so adorable as a little girl...but her hair was really short ::)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 12, 2007, 12:29:18 PM
Wow. Those are great pictures!

Just a question, what happened to the "Maria Alexandrovna...and English Princes" thread? Was it merged into this one?

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on May 12, 2007, 12:55:13 PM

Just a question, what happened to the "Maria Alexandrovna...and English Princes" thread? Was it merged into this one?

-Duke of NJ

I guess it was re-named. :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ena on May 12, 2007, 07:15:28 PM
great pictures svetabel! i never seen them before...she looks so adorable as a little girl...but her hair was really short ::)
I think it may have been traditional to cut a young girl's hair to make it grow stronger. 

In The Grandduchesses, there is mention of GD Olga Konstantinovna meeting Queen Victoria, who inquires about Olga's short hair.

"The Queen was intrigued by 10-year old Olga's hair, cut short so that it would grow stronger, and enquired how long Olga's hair had been like this.  "Since I was a child, Your Majesty," Olga replied, as the adults burst into laughter"
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on May 13, 2007, 01:18:03 AM

Just a question, what happened to the "Maria Alexandrovna...and English Princes" thread? Was it merged into this one?

-Duke of NJ

I guess it was re-named. :)

Yes, sorry, I thought I put the 'notification' in there. I was cleaning up some and there were 3 MA threads. I merged them all together so all the information from them all is still here, nothing was lost or deleted.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 16, 2007, 05:33:24 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned before but are there any biographies on Marie Alexandrovna except for the peice in Grand Duchesses

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on May 16, 2007, 10:45:04 PM
No, there isn't. The next closest might be the bio on Prince Alfred (Dearest Affie) by John van der Kiste. John Wimbles had many letters to/from Marie and was apparently hoping to write a book (either of the letters or a bio) but it doesn't seem to be coming off. It's a shame since many of the letters have since been quoted online and in books and I think they would make fascinating reading in their entirety. She was a keen observer around her and visited many courts (England, Germany, Russia, Romania) and had a wide variety of friends (such as Jennie Churchill) and interests. I think if a book of letters was produced it would be an invaluable resource.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on May 17, 2007, 02:36:04 AM
I don't know if this has been mentioned before but are there any biographies on Marie Alexandrovna except for the peice in Grand Duchesses

-Duke of NJ

I had mentioned somewhere in the old threads  about a short bio on Maria Alexandrovna. It's in Russian, a thin soft-cover book, very rare to find - I looked through it at the library. Though the bio is not an exciting one  :), just general info.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 17, 2007, 02:57:51 AM
I think John Wimbles's collection of her letters are much more interesting. If only it could be published.  :(
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on May 17, 2007, 10:34:01 AM
i found these pictures of Maria on Worldroots, i'm not sure if they have been seen on the board before

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Czar%20Aleksanders%20family/marieedinburgh1853-2.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Czar%20Aleksanders%20family/marieedinburgh1853-5.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Czar%20Aleksanders%20family/marieedinburgh1853-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: eejm on May 17, 2007, 01:09:16 PM
How did Alfred and Marie meet?  I don't believe QV was at all excited about the prospect of a Russian match with any of her children, so how did Marie come up as a potential bride?  And who else did Alfred consider besides her?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: lori_c on May 17, 2007, 01:19:15 PM
They met in Darmstadt as Marie's mother was GD Ludwig's Aunt.  Supposedly Princess Alice pushed for the matchmaking. Empress Frederick chose many potential brides for Alfred but Alfred, it seems, loved the sea and money.  The fact that GD MA came with many a rouble as a dowry and an annual sum to be paid to her made her an appealing candidate to Alfred.  The two met when Marie was young and would not meet again until 2 years later and became engaged.   This was finally agreed to by the Queen, especially since QV and Empress Frederick had all about exhausted anybody Alfred would agree to.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Michael II on May 17, 2007, 03:37:07 PM
One such entry was Pss. Elizabeth of Weid furture Queen Elizabeth of Romania.  She played her violin in the woods at the Weid family castle  for Alfred.  It was more than poor Alfred could bear. ;)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Laura_ on May 17, 2007, 03:58:06 PM
another one was Princess Frederica of Hanover.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: eejm on May 17, 2007, 04:05:51 PM
another one was Princess Frederica of Hanover.

Leopold very much wanted to marry Frederica, but she was in love with a baron, so he did not propose.  They remained very close until Leopold's death.  Leopold's wife, Helena, became close to her as well.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 17, 2007, 05:41:08 PM
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another one was Princess Frederica of Hanover.

Did Queen Victoria hesitate about the Hanover sisters because she believed that they could have blind children. 

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: eejm on May 17, 2007, 05:50:15 PM
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another one was Princess Frederica of Hanover.

Did Queen Victoria hesitate about the Hanover sisters because she believed that they could have blind children. 

-Duke of NJ

Why?  Did they have a blind sibling? 

How ironic that QV seemed to see a genetic risk in the Hanovers, but never seemed to understand how hemophilia was passed around her own family...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 17, 2007, 05:52:54 PM
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Why?  Did they have a blind sibling? 


No, their father , George V of Hanover was blind. 

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Michael II on May 17, 2007, 06:26:37 PM
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Why?  Did they have a blind sibling? 


No, their father , George V of Hanover was blind. 

-Duke of NJ

George V of Hanover was blinded through an accident as a child by swinging a chain.  It was not a genetic event.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on May 17, 2007, 07:25:03 PM
Frederica and Mary were both considered at various times for different sons of QV. Arthur very much wanted to marry Mary at one point and the discussion went on for about a year before it finally ended, mostly due to lack of interest on Mary's part. (She never did marry).
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Rudolf_II on May 17, 2007, 07:43:10 PM
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Why?  Did they have a blind sibling? 

No, their father , George V of Hanover was blind. 
George V of Hanover was blinded through an accident as a child by swinging a chain.  It was not a genetic event.

George lost the sight of one eye through that accident.  He lost the sight of the other during a 'childhood illness'.  His father, the Duke of Cumberland, lost the sight of one eye due to a 'tumour' (or so his doctors said).  What with that, and the notorious 'family complaint' (porphyria, or whatever George III and his numerous relatives suffered from) Victoria's reluctance to have her family marry into the German branch of the Hanovers is understandable.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 17, 2007, 08:25:39 PM
Another reason was the situation with George V of Hanover & the Prussia. The match would bring politics into the family, just like Alix bought Denmark into the fold. However QV did not forbid Arthur & Leopold's suits of Frederica & Mary. Had any one of the Hanover girls shown any interest, she would have been persuded to allow the marriages.  :P
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Post by: grandduchessella on May 17, 2007, 09:19:22 PM
Dagmar was also regarded as a possibility for Alfred, as was Alexandra herself if Bertie didn't take to her. A serious contender was Marie of Saxe-Altenberg (who married Furst Karl ofSchwarzburg-Sondershausen in 1969) and those discussions went on for several months.

By 1867, QV expressing her fears about his marriage prospects, writing to Vicky that 'the choice is becoming so narrow that I think we must get over the difficulties concerning religion...I had thought and hoped at one time for dear little Olga' [the future Queen Olga of Greece].

Another prospect named was Princess Eugenie Leuchtenberg, granddaughter of Tsar Nicholas I, who married Alexander, Duke of Oldenburg in 1868.

QV wrote in her jurnal on 11 July 1873 that she had received a telegram from Affie (who had arrived at Juggenheim) who wrote that "Marie and I were engaged this morning. Cannot say how happy I am." QV wrote that she was 'astonished at the rapidity with which teh matter has been settled and announced. For a long time pourparlers had been going on with regard to a possible marriage between Affie and the grand Duchess Marie...but there have been many difficulties, and I only yesterday heard from Alice that, the parents having yielded to the Grand Duchess's wish, all would probably now go smoothly." The Tsar and Empress sent Victoria a telegram (in German) that 'We implore with you God's blessing on our dear children and recommend to you our daughter, who kisses your hand.' QV further wrote that 'Not knowing Marie, and realising that there may still be many difficulties, my thoughts and feelings are rather mixed, but I said from my heart 'God bless them,' and I hope and pray it may turn out for Affie's happiness."
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 17, 2007, 10:03:02 PM
Yes she wrote to Vicky saying "The murder is out !"  ;)
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Post by: Michael II on May 18, 2007, 03:37:54 PM
In reading some of the letters between Queen Victoria and her daughter Crown Princess Vicky about the various candidates for Alfred reminded me of buying a horse. :D  They talked about the girls teeth and hair and color of skin.   Anna of Hesse Darmstadt was dismissed for having bad teeth.  She later married Friederich Franz II G. D. of Mecklenburg Schwerin.
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Post by: imperial angel on May 18, 2007, 05:07:53 PM
Well, yes I have read letters in regards to Bertie and Alexandra's marriage quoted in biographies, and they give one that impression as well. I think that's how they selected Princesses back then though, often, though it might seem strange to the modern mentality. In the case of Edward VII, the letters like that( unless I am thinking of the ones about Alfred), where they say things like that are about the same and in Bertie ( Edward VII)'s case, perhaps it was even more important because his wife would be Princess of Wales, and then Queen Consort, and also Bertie I think cared more about the looks of his future wife even in regards to an arranged marriage than did Alfred, in my opinion. I always thought the above two reasons were why Queen Victoria and Vicky were so particular about the choice of bride for Bertie, but I guess it carried over to Alfred as well, although I don't remember that as much. But then, Queen Victoria loved planning matches, and Vicky was a natural expert on the German princessses since she lived there and was Crown Princess of Prussia.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 20, 2007, 01:33:03 AM
The thing that was positive about Marie in QV's eyes was her strong character and large fortune.  ;D
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Post by: Eddie_uk on May 20, 2007, 03:57:29 AM
& a nice forehead!!
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Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 20, 2007, 07:47:22 AM
Quote
& a nice forehead!!

Yes, especially in the one where she and Alfred are holding little Affie as a baby, her head looks huge!

-Duke of NJ
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Post by: Laura_ on May 20, 2007, 01:37:54 PM
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c399/Laurra_/MariaAlexandrovna2.jpg)

with her mother  :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 20, 2007, 08:07:04 PM
Yes...I found it so amusing that Empress Marie once tried to marry her daughter to King Ludwig II of Bavaria. However once she found out that "she" herself was the foucus of the young man 'affection. She hastily retreated.  ;D
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Post by: Gabriella on February 22, 2008, 07:09:18 AM
Marie with grandchildren:
(http://www.royalty-postcards.com/Images/Wanted/Germany/Marie_Saxe-Coburg_&_grandch.jpg)

The picture shows Marie ALexandrowna with some of her grandchildren. Does anybody know which ones and when the picture was made?

I read in that thread that some biographies of Marie Alexandrowna were planned and it was planned that her letters would be published.
Does anybody know if the letters had been been published or if a biography of her had been published?

I also would like to know whether she or one of her daughters had contact with Ernie of Hesse or his sisters after his divorce of Ducky.

Thanks,

Gabriella
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Post by: Svetabel on February 22, 2008, 07:58:18 AM
Marie with grandchildren:
(http://www.royalty-postcards.com/Images/Wanted/Germany/Marie_Saxe-Coburg_&_grandch.jpg)

The picture shows Marie ALexandrowna with some of her grandchildren. Does anybody know which ones and when the picture was made?


Thanks,

Gabriella

I think the grandchildren are sons of Infanta Beatrice, her youngest daughter.
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 22, 2008, 09:56:14 AM
Yes, they are Beatrice's 2 boys so the photos's probably about 1912.
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Post by: Gabriella on February 28, 2008, 09:18:30 PM
Thanks for the information.

Are there any other pictures of Marie together with her grandchildren?

I just saw a picture made in Illinskoje in 1896 at the family gathering after the coronation of Tsar Nicholas. It's group-picture and there Marie is next to little Elizabeth of Hesse, Duck'y and Ernie's daughter.

I am also interested in the relationship she had with her grandchildren. After the tragedy of her son Alfred and the way she treated her daughters when they were children I wonder what kind of grandmother she was.

Regards,
Gabriella
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Post by: Nadya_Arapov on March 21, 2008, 05:06:41 AM
I believe she was more lenient with her grandchildren than she had been with her own children.

Maria and I believe the man on her left is GD Michael Mikhailovich "Miche-Miche"
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/historybuff2283/th_GranduchessMariaAlexMicheM.jpg) (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/historybuff2283/GranduchessMariaAlexMicheM.jpg)

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/historybuff2283/th_marieRussiauniform.jpg) (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/historybuff2283/marieRussiauniform.jpg)

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/historybuff2283/th_MariaAlexandrovna.jpg) (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/historybuff2283/MariaAlexandrovna.jpg)
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Post by: grandduchessella on March 22, 2008, 08:05:44 AM
I believe she was more lenient with her grandchildren than she had been with her own children.

Maria and I believe the man on her left is GD Michael Mikhailovich "Miche-Miche"
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/historybuff2283/th_GranduchessMariaAlexMicheM.jpg) (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/historybuff2283/GranduchessMariaAlexMicheM.jpg)



It is and I believe that the children on the left are his children.
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Post by: Nadya_Arapov on March 22, 2008, 09:28:45 AM
Thank you! I wondered about that, but I have only seen one or two portraits of the de Torby children and couldn't be certain.
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Post by: Luc on August 27, 2008, 01:04:30 PM
I suppose Marie was at the coronation of Edward VII in 1902.  Did she attend and were any photos taken ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 27, 2008, 06:26:12 PM
Indeed...Especially Missy went on a prolonged stay in London after the party...
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Post by: Luc on August 28, 2008, 04:04:56 AM
Indeed...Especially Missy went on a prolonged stay in London after the party...

Do you have a photo, Eric ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 28, 2008, 03:36:05 PM
I don't. Even in the Missy bios, the photos shown were after the feasts, she stayed with the Astors (Waldoff and Pauline) in England.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on August 30, 2008, 03:58:47 AM
Could it be that Marie was already pregnant when she married Affie? The married on 23 April 1874 and Alfred was born on 15 October 1874. Of course he could have been born premature. I wonder if this raised eyebrows at the time?
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Post by: Svetabel on August 30, 2008, 07:20:10 AM
Could it be that Marie was already pregnant when she married Affie? The married on 23 April 1874 and Alfred was born on 15 October 1874. Of course he could have been born premature. I wonder if this raised eyebrows at the time?

But Maria and Alfred married January 11 1874, it's an exact and right date. :) No any suspicions about pre-wed "amusements".
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Post by: Eddie_uk on August 30, 2008, 07:01:34 PM
Thank you dear Svetabel! I thought they married in the April of 1874!  :-*
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Post by: LenelorMiksi on August 31, 2008, 01:12:39 AM
I think the children in the picture above are Sandra's- The older girl is Marita, the boy is Gottfried, and the one with her back to the camera is Alexandra.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 31, 2008, 01:39:20 PM
Marie Coburg was a deligent grandmother who cared for the marriages of her various grandchildren. She try to sought out the Constaninovitches boys for Elisabetta.
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Post by: slavona on September 15, 2008, 10:20:56 AM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eigna1753/2044344465/in/set-72157603332216627/
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 15, 2008, 12:13:21 PM
Empress Marie once thought about marrying Marie to Mad King Ludwig of Bavaria.
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Post by: slavona on September 16, 2008, 07:46:20 AM
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/eigna1753/2044364981/in/set-72157603332216627/)
One of my favorite pictures of her
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Post by: slavona on September 16, 2008, 07:47:46 AM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eigna1753/2044364981/in/set-72157603332216627/
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Post by: Vecchiolarry on September 16, 2008, 10:27:27 AM
Hi Eric,

Wow, a marriage between Maria Alexandrovna and Ludwig II of Bavaria!!!
Now there's a disaster waiting to happen - although maybe he wouldn't have ended up in the lake!!!
Then again, maybe she would have thrown him off that tower in Nauchwanstein (sp?)!!!!!!

Larry
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 16, 2008, 03:26:19 PM
Well...

The story was that Empress Marie frequented the spas in southern Germany due to her ill health. She met up with young Ludwig that she was much impressed with in looks and position, a close and intimate correspondence followed. She hoped to marry Marie to him. However she later found out that she herself was the object of the young king' affection.
He also kinda sees her as a mother-figure. The Empress made a quick retreat and told him "You don't need me asa mother, you have your own mother !". After that the relationship cooled...
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Post by: slavona on September 19, 2008, 09:37:04 AM
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/alfredfamilia.jpg)
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/malta.jpg)
the 2nd is from Malta
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 19, 2008, 01:22:26 PM
Nice photos of the Coburg family.
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Post by: Luc on November 26, 2008, 08:26:18 AM
Who's the woman dressed full in black on the first photo ?
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Post by: Svetabel on November 26, 2008, 08:31:21 AM
Who's the woman dressed full in black on the first photo ?

Duchess Alexandrine of Coburg, widow of Duke Ernst II.
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Post by: Laura_ on November 26, 2008, 08:42:09 AM

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/malta.jpg)


Beloved Malta -the paradise of the Edinburgh family
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 26, 2008, 09:28:39 AM
I wonder if the house they lived was still there ?
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Post by: TampaBay on December 01, 2008, 07:40:12 AM
But, ....when she married Alfred, she knew that Alexandra was the Princess of Wales, and that one day she will became Queen of England, and not her. So...i don´t understand way she hated Alexandra.


Marie did not hate Alexandra personally.  Marie only felt that her status as a daughter of an emperor should be higher than a daughter of a King in the hierarchy of the court

Marie and Alexandra had a very good relationship in their later years.

TampaBay
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 02, 2008, 09:43:02 AM
I think there was a rivary between the women. Alix wasn't too keen on Georgie marrying Missy either...
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Post by: imperial angel on December 02, 2008, 09:32:50 PM
Was there any truth to the rumors about Marie and the Russian prince before her marriage? How happy or unhappy were the first years of her marriage to Alfred? It went sour later, thats for sure. I have a relative who was looking through old newspapers recently ( American) and came across a rumor published before (just before) Marie's marriage that Marie and her tutor I think it was were romantically attached, and that the Czar had married Marie off to Alfred because of her unsuitable romantic attachment to the tutor. I know that's not true ( at least from what I know), but I didn
t realize it was such a common rumor at the time. Anyway was there any truth at all to rumors of her having a interest in a Russian prince or any other men? Alfred was defintely attracted to her money and the fact she had status as the Tsar's only daughter when he married her. As for MA, I don't think she loved him romantically, but realized he was a good option for marriage, as she had few other choices- we discussed that long ago in this thread. I guess I wasn't aware that the rumors about MA were common in America like that- I will be getting the exact newspaper.
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Post by: TampaBay on December 03, 2008, 08:02:30 AM
I think there was a rivary between the women. Alix wasn't too keen on Georgie marrying Missy either...

All true!  However, I believe that after all the children were married they settled into a rather close middle age friendship.  This is discussed in one of Jenny Churchill's books as she was very close to both Alix,  Marie and to some degree Minnie.

TampaBay
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 03, 2008, 08:21:11 AM
I agree. Alix became disenchanted with Marie after her family moved to Coburg. She tried to "Germanize" her children and to wipe off the "Englishness" of it. We all know how Alix felt about Germany and its influence. Fortunately, all four girls became more "English" as they approach the end of their lives (Even Baby Bee & Ducky).

About the Edinburgh marriage. I think Marie was enchanted by Alfred, but I doubt he would consider her if she wasn't that rich and promised to give him and his future family freedom from "Mama's apron springs".
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Post by: TampaBay on December 04, 2008, 09:34:34 AM

About the Edinburgh marriage. I think Marie was enchanted by Alfred, but I doubt he would consider her if she wasn't that rich and promised to give him and his future family freedom from "Mama's apron springs".


Very True!  Edward married for money and Marie married for position.  Part of Marie's was that she was the only "much loved" daughter in a family of all boys.  Marie was also very close to her father (as well as her mother) and women that are doted on by their fathers sometimes have problems with their husbands if the husbands are not "doters"

TampaBay
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 04, 2008, 10:19:46 AM
I think Marie and Afred were well suited in the begining as she was more "a man woman" than girly-girly kind as she was the only girl in a family of boys. It is useful since like her niece VMH (who also married a sailor), she wasn't a clinging kind of lady and had her independent thing going for her (unlike her other niece Maud, who complained of her husband constantly at sea).
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Post by: Luc on January 12, 2009, 10:26:12 AM
Does anyone of you have ever seen photos of Marie in her last years ?
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 12, 2009, 11:42:05 AM
I don't think I've seen any from about 1914 until her death in 1920, not even in the German illustrated magazines.
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Post by: Svetabel on January 13, 2009, 12:24:40 AM
I don't think I've seen any from about 1914 until her death in 1920, not even in the German illustrated magazines.

The one I've seen of her of 1915-1916 years was a blurry one group with her daughter Sandra and grandchildren Gottfried and Marita I think. Duchess Marie looks tired there.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2009, 08:47:44 AM
I don't think there was any photos taken of her frail years.
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Post by: Alexandre64 on January 18, 2009, 08:20:10 AM
Maria Alexandrovna, in court dress:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Photo/mariaalexandrovnaofrusseg91.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on January 18, 2009, 01:22:17 PM
Never seen this picture...great!One of Marie from her old days:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/MCoburg.jpg)
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Post by: royal_netherlands on January 18, 2009, 02:12:35 PM
Yes wonderfull pic indeed! I have posted it before, its from the ILN and back then their was a disscussion about the authenticity of the picture. Because Marie's head is looking a bit awkward almost like it has been photoshoped (not in present but in the old days, yes photography already lost his innocence back then.)

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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 18, 2009, 02:52:12 PM
Actually, this picture was taken in a photo study and the photographer put another background behind. That s all
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2009, 04:22:17 PM
Lovely photos of Marie Coburg !
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 18, 2009, 06:22:38 PM
Maria Alexandrovna, in court dress:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Photo/mariaalexandrovnaofrusseg91.jpg)

Elsewhere on the thread this photo and the others from the sitting are posted if people want to see the rest of them.
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Post by: Alexandre64 on January 19, 2009, 02:33:01 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Photo/MariaAlexandrovna1.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Photo/MarieAlexandrovna1.jpg)
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Post by: Laura_ on January 19, 2009, 07:03:40 AM
great images Alexandre64!!Thank you : )
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 08:08:03 AM
Indeed...interesting to see her in feminine clothes. Marie was actually quite rough growing up an only girl in a family of boys.
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Post by: Svetabel on January 19, 2009, 10:31:57 AM
Indeed...interesting to see her in feminine clothes.

You phrase sounds as if GDss always wore male clothes.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 11:01:59 AM
According to her daughter Missy, she was quite butch and wasn't very gentle and ladylike.
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Post by: Svetabel on January 19, 2009, 11:31:46 AM
According to her daughter Missy, she was quite butch and wasn't very gentle and ladylike.

According to other sources Maria Alexandrovna knew well how she looked, she tried to get thinner and be more glamour. She didn't look much ladylike but that's thanks to her manners and expression of the face, but her clothes looked practical not manlike.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 12:40:25 PM
Yes. Practical but not "ladylike". She wore boots made for her. According to Missy's standards, the ideal was "Aunt Alix" and "Aunt Ella".
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Post by: Aliss_Kande on January 19, 2009, 01:20:59 PM
Ella was technically Missy's cousin, not her aunt.  Did she always refer to her older cousins as "aunt" or "uncle"?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
Yes...But Missy said since she was much older than her and married to her Uncle Serge, she chose to give Ella the title of Aunt.
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Post by: Ally Kumari on January 26, 2009, 04:56:28 AM
Found this on ebay today:

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/53.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 26, 2009, 11:00:03 AM
Anice photo of her. She resembled her brother Alexander III and niece Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna.
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Post by: Alexandre64 on February 18, 2009, 06:48:34 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/England/n11.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 18, 2009, 10:55:25 AM
Marie wearing her spectacular Romanov jewels.
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Post by: Ally Kumari on February 24, 2009, 08:09:40 AM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Family%20life/marierussia1853.jpg)
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Post by: Ally Kumari on February 24, 2009, 08:15:33 AM
With her father
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Family%20life/bbbb.jpg)
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Post by: Ally Kumari on February 26, 2009, 05:56:27 AM
Young Grand Duchess
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/MariaAlexandrovna-1.jpg)

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/MariaAlexandrovnapicture2.jpg)

With her brothers Sergei and Pavel
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/MariaAlexandrovnawithSergeandPaul.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 26, 2009, 07:56:21 AM
All of them were available in old cdvs. She was close to her brothers.
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Post by: Ally Kumari on March 01, 2009, 12:25:21 PM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/0186.jpg)

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/0187.jpg)

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/MarieAlexandrovnaasachild.jpg)

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/MarieAlexandrovnayoung-1.jpg)

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/MarieAlexandrovnayoung2.jpg)

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/MarieedinwithMissy.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 01, 2009, 04:35:58 PM
Lovely Pics. I like the one of Marie Coburg with her six-strand of pearls, it was a gift of the Tsar to every Romanov bride...
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Post by: Alexandre64 on March 02, 2009, 06:48:27 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Photo/386738179_5ccbeaa129_o1.jpg)
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Post by: grandduchessella on March 02, 2009, 10:31:06 AM
For their silver anniversary whose celebrations would be marred by the drama, and trauma, surrounding Alfred Jr.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 02, 2009, 10:46:54 AM
Yes...After the death of Alfred Jr. The state of the marriage was never the same...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Gabriella on March 02, 2009, 02:55:27 PM
Thanks for posting the lovely pictures of Marie, Grand Duchess Ally. I like the second one very much.

Seeing the pictures of the young Marie I ask myself whether she had other suitors apart from her future husband?

Regards,

Gabriella.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 02, 2009, 03:13:44 PM
I know Ludwig II was one that Empress Marie Alexandorvna tried to foster but failed.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on March 03, 2009, 12:36:00 AM

Seeing the pictures of the young Marie I ask myself whether she had other suitors apart from her future husband?


Her parents thought about some German Princes, for example a Mecklenbourg one (I guess they meant one of GD Friedirch Franz II of Mecklenbourg-Schwerin's son) and an Oldenbourg (2 sons of reigning Grand Duke).
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marc on March 03, 2009, 04:37:21 AM
But why they didn't chose them?Any particular reason?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on March 03, 2009, 05:41:34 AM
But why they didn't chose them?Any particular reason?

Empress Maria Alexandrovna considered that a position of a wife of a mere German Prince (even a Grand Duke) was not proper for her only daughter. The daughter itself felt the same, and also didn't want to leave Russia but understood that alliance like "GDss Maria Nikolayevna- Duke Max of Leuchtenberg" was not for her..so Alfred of Great Britain was the right choice, the disastrous one though in some ways - political and personal.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marc on March 03, 2009, 07:53:52 AM
Well,maybe...but considering Alfred was the second son...if they had such high ambitions maybe she as the only surviving daughter of the Emperor could do better...and in the end she did become German Duchess ;-)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 03, 2009, 03:50:17 PM
Indeed...Although Marie did fell for the handsome Alfred though...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marc on March 03, 2009, 06:14:43 PM
Well,that's another story than...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 04, 2009, 11:15:27 AM
True, but he was a good looking man and a prince and associated to a great growing emprire.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on March 15, 2009, 02:26:32 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/mari3al3.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/mari2al2.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/mari1al.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 15, 2009, 05:55:46 PM
She looked like her brothers Alexander III and Vladimar. Serge and Paul were slimmer in progile and had leaner features.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: kmerov on March 15, 2009, 06:50:09 PM
Thank you for the great pictures. Svetabel, :)
It seems that she, as Miechen, was interested in securing the best Princes or "les meilleurs partis", as she said herself, which made her marry (or try to marry) her daughters quite young.
MF wrote,
"...with Marie everything goes "tambour battant", she knows how to place her daughters, the faster the better, it's a kind of sport...."

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 16, 2009, 10:16:11 AM
Well...She did not get her way with Ducky and Sandra. The first because of pressure from QV and the second because she hoped for grander things, however she was moved by the Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg's prersistance in persuing her thrird daughter. As for Baby Bee, it was a long list of suitors, ending with her niece's Ena's match-making plans bearing fruit.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 25, 2009, 10:13:47 AM
A print based on a famous photo

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/royalty/th_b49826.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/royalty/b49826.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 25, 2009, 01:46:32 PM
Yes. frequently found in cdvs.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 29, 2009, 11:56:18 AM
Found this labelled as Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna... Is it really her?

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/1873.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marc on March 29, 2009, 12:04:34 PM
I think Svetabel posted it some time ago and said that same thing...well,if labeled...don't know..
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Grace on March 29, 2009, 04:18:11 PM
Certainly doesn't look much like her...the chin in particular is wrong.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marc on March 29, 2009, 09:23:36 PM
Why there aren't any good portraits in color of the Duchess(i this one is wrong)?There is one miniature and that's it apart from the family portrait in the royal collection...

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/FrauCoburg.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marc on March 29, 2009, 09:24:16 PM
I meant if the one above is wrong...
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 30, 2009, 04:07:06 PM
Well...It could be a higly flattering one of Marie, she was photographed in that style of dress, hair and jewels.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on April 18, 2009, 09:49:15 PM
(http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/archive/medium/000773.jpg)

(http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/archive/thumbnail/000670.jpg)

(http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/archive/thumbnail/000698.jpg)

(http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/archive/thumbnail/000703.jpg)

(http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/archive/thumbnail/000730.jpg)

(http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/archive/thumbnail/000733.jpg)

(http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/archive/thumbnail/000757.jpg)

(http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/archive/thumbnail/000775.jpg)
with Anna Tyutcheva, Daughter of Poet Fyodor Tyutchev
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 20, 2009, 06:00:24 AM
Those are great. Pity they´re so small..

I have found this one labelled as Maria Alexandrovna, wife of Alexander II. - which is obviously not true. It does look to me like his daughter thoug... What do you think?

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Family%20life/m-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on April 20, 2009, 06:42:11 AM
I have found this one labelled as Maria Alexandrovna, wife of Alexander II. - which is obviously not true. It does look to me like his daughter thoug... What do you think?

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Family%20life/m-1.jpg)

Of course this is GDss Maria Alexandrovna, Alexander II's daughter.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 20, 2009, 03:32:06 PM
I thought so, but after making some mistakes in identifying people in pictures I thought it would be better to ask... Thank you.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 21, 2009, 09:00:59 AM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_frea.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/frea.jpg)

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_A7WMKCAFYCY62CA6GNGGHCAD2S4D4CA0TB7.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/A7WMKCAFYCY62CA6GNGGHCAD2S4D4CA0TB7.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 10, 2009, 02:36:56 PM
Would anyone happen to have the image on the left bigger and clearer?
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/royalty/08.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 18, 2009, 01:28:59 AM
Anyone please?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Yseult on May 18, 2009, 12:26:08 PM
I´m sorry, Ally. I made a research through all my folders, but I don´t have this picture you´re searching for. A lovely picture, by the way; it would be nice to have it...

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on May 19, 2009, 06:39:49 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/coburg/File1438-1.gif)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: RoyalWatcher on May 19, 2009, 07:47:17 PM
Lovely.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 20, 2009, 12:04:48 PM
Thank you! Do you think you could PM me the unmarked version? I can assure you I´m not posting it anywhere without your watermark.....
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: grandduchessella on May 20, 2009, 04:23:29 PM
Sure. I just e-mailed it to you.

I like how Alfred has a little foot-kick in the photo. I guess he was resting his one knee on a stool or something but it's cute. If these were taken for their engagement--and I think they were--hadn't he twisted his knee or ankle or something? Does anyone remember this or am I halluctinating?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 21, 2009, 07:55:00 AM
Thank you very much!

Alfred and Maria
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/royalty/AG3MH3.jpg)

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/royalty/AJ9KHC.jpg)

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/royalty/AJ9KM1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Tsaritsa on May 21, 2009, 08:57:35 AM
I love these pics and drawings. 

Marie fascinates me as does Alfred.  Their children not so much though.  I just recently became interested in Victoria, Albert and their brood.  Special favorites are Alice and Vicky. 

Sorry, off topic.  Back to Marie. 
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on May 21, 2009, 09:42:06 AM
Sure. I just e-mailed it to you.

I like how Alfred has a little foot-kick in the photo. I guess he was resting his one knee on a stool or something but it's cute. If these were taken for their engagement--and I think they were--hadn't he twisted his knee or ankle or something? Does anyone remember this or am I halluctinating?

The photo is from the engagement set of pictures, and if I remember correctly something was wrong with Alfred's knee.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on May 22, 2009, 10:59:24 AM
I really like this one.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/zoom.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Luc on May 22, 2009, 12:36:09 PM
Introduction of Grand Princess Maria Alexandrovna to Shah Nasir al-Din in the Winter Palace
Zichy, Mihaly.


You can see Marie Alexandrovna bowing to the Shah.


http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2www/fullSize.mac/fullSize?selLang=English&dlViewId=HFX35N2SYFOK5$U9&size=small&selCateg=picture&dlCategId=SP%2B23H97VAZNXTBFBL&comeFrom=quick
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 22, 2009, 05:33:58 PM
The link  is not working with clicking it.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Luc on May 23, 2009, 01:28:51 PM
http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2www/descrPage.mac/descrPage?selLang=English&indexClass=PICTURE_EN&PID=JRR-7038&numView=1&ID_NUM=24&thumbFile=%2Ftmplobs%2FWP%249WTE0EE_408SZF26.jpg&embViewVer=last&comeFrom=quick&sorting=no&thumbId=6&numResults=40&tmCond=maria+alexandrovna&searchIndex=TAGFILEN&author=Zichy%2C%26%2332%3BMihaly

Introduction of Grand Princess Maria Alexandrovna to Shah Nasir al-Din in the Winter Palace
Zichy, Mihaly.
Series "Nasir al-Din, Shah of Persia, visiting St Petersburg in 1873"


I hope it works now !
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 24, 2009, 04:25:36 AM
Here it is "just like that"

Introduction od Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna to Shah Nasir al Din in the Winter palace

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Romanovs%20in%20art/th_Introduction_of_Grand_Princess_Mari.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Romanovs%20in%20art/Introduction_of_Grand_Princess_Mari.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: CountessKate on June 16, 2009, 08:43:56 AM
There is a really lovely Winterhalter portrait of Marie Alexandrovna as a girl on the website of the royal family of Serbia (alas rather small).  I think it must have been made around 1866/7, i.e. when she was 13 or 14 and before she put her hair up.  Winterhalter has done his usual job of prettifying her, but nevertheless one can start to see where some of her daughters got their looks.

Apologies if it's shown somewhere else in the forum but I've combed through all the references to Winterhalter and not seen it!

http://www.royalfamily.org/artwork/06_09/art_eng.html
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Vecchiolarry on June 16, 2009, 09:01:03 AM
Hi,

A charming portrait and one can see she was a pretty young girl.
I can see Mignon in her and to a certain degree Missy too....

Larry
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Ally Kumari on August 05, 2009, 09:00:48 AM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Romanovs/10222653a.jpg)

Prince Alfred with his bride ice-skating
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Romanovs/10222652a.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: violetta on October 16, 2009, 12:45:15 PM
some pictures of the coburg castle - COBURG VESTA (from my visit, august 2009)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/439.jpg)

a huge castle, the second biggest in europe (if i`m not mistaken), consisting of a few levels - hope its floors or levels are visible

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/440.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/442.jpg)


entrance to the castle

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/444.jpg)







Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: violetta on October 16, 2009, 01:30:08 PM

inner yard of coburg vesta

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/445.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/472.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/479.jpg)


Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: violetta on October 16, 2009, 02:28:00 PM
inner yard coburg vesta

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/478.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/475.jpg)




Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2009, 03:44:57 PM
Yes. Although she lived for a long time at the Edinbrugh Palais in town.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: violetta on October 17, 2009, 10:09:36 AM
ehrenburg palace in coburg
this is a place where ducky`s wedding with ernst luwig took place.this is where nikolay and alexandra got engaged

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/432.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/437.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 17, 2009, 03:54:04 PM
Yes. Baby Bee got married to Ali in that chapel too. The Edinburgh Palais faced Ehrenburg Palace.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Gabriella on October 18, 2009, 11:27:52 AM
Hello, Violetta,

thankd for the nice pictures of the Veste Coburg and Ehrenburg Palace. They are very interesting. Did you also get a chance to see the museums inside?

Have you been to Rosenau Castle (in Rödenthal not far from Coburg) where the family of Alfred and Marie spent their summers? There is also a museum inside. There they have a lot of pictures of the Edinburghs and in public guidances they also give information about them.

An interesting castle in that region is also Schloss Callenberg (engl. Callenberg Castle ) which was the summer residence of Charles-Edward of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha until 1945. It has been restored in 1998 and lodges the collection of art, pieces of porcelaind and furniture. There also a lot of information about the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family. I am not quite sure but I think it's still owned by the family.

Regards, Gabriella.


Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: violetta on October 18, 2009, 12:18:55 PM
Hello, Gabriella

i visted coburg vesta. unfortunately,i didn`t visit schloss erenhburg as it was closed.i will post some pictures but their quality isn`t good `cause museum  visitors weren`t allowed to use flashes.i stayed less time in coburg than i planned an couln`t visit the places that i planned
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2009, 12:36:29 PM
There is a nice booklet sold in the gift shop as well as nice postcards. I still need to visit Roseneau, the favourite place of Prince Albert. Indeed, Callenberg is still owned by the Saxr-Coburg family. I was lucky to be in it during the Queen Victoria Exhibition. The graves of Charley & Dick's children are buried in the garden there. Also in Coburg are the ceremitary of the Saxe-Coburgs and their cousins the Saxe-Coburg-Koharys. "foxy" Ferdinand of Bulgaria's house was there too. I saw all of that in one visit.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: violetta on October 18, 2009, 01:01:01 PM
coburg vesta - a halll

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/446.jpg)


another picture of the hall

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/455.jpg)


bathroom,looking quite modern actually

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/453.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2009, 01:03:20 PM
I wonder if Martin Luther's rooms were still preserved ?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: violetta on October 18, 2009, 01:09:00 PM
you are lucky, eric. coburg was the last stage in my german tour so i stayed there a very short time `cause i had to go back home to attend a celebration devoted to the 1st world war. as i live in poland i hope to visit germany next year again.i made 2 german tours visiting a few cities uring each tour. so coburg is still waiting to be explored properly :)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2009, 02:12:20 PM
Yes I was. Especially to visit the Coburg Graves (where it is usually locked). I took photos of the coffins of Affie, Marie Coburg and their son young Affie.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: violetta on October 18, 2009, 02:18:12 PM
Yes I was. Especially to visit the Coburg Graves (where it is usually locked). I took photos of the coffins of Affie, Marie Coburg and their son young Affie.

eric, coul you post those photoes,please?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2009, 02:51:43 PM
I will have to dig them out. I did that in b/w. Will sent to you once I get them out.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: violetta on October 18, 2009, 02:56:46 PM
thanks in advance for posting them. i hope i`ll see those places of interest net year,uring my second visit
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2009, 03:31:31 PM
Give yourself at least two days. Some places may be closed on your day of arrival.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Janet Ashton on October 23, 2009, 12:52:16 PM

bathroom,looking quite modern actually

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/453.jpg)

It is part of Bodo Eckhardt's "Fuerstenbau", created for Carl Eduard in the 1920s. I was very impressed when I saw it - the Fuerstenbau I mean, not just the bathroom! :-) Pictures of it when furnished with CE's things do not look so good, but now it is arranged to show off the very skillful blend of medieval and Deco/Arts and Crafts - very stylish I thought, and the castle would be nice  to live in, up there on the hilltop! Coburg has a very nice collection of castles and palaces; Ehrenburg is possibly the best IMHO - perfect symmetry.....
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 26, 2009, 01:49:09 PM
Seems like Charlie Coburg had good taste in bathrooms. I wonder what Marie Coburg's bathroom would look like ?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Marc on November 16, 2009, 10:49:43 AM
Don't have time to check the whole thread to see if this picture has been posted already,so...sorry if it is:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/marie.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 16, 2009, 11:22:07 AM
i havent see it before. Thanks for sharing!

Ps: it is my idea or her face was retouched? (in special the eyes`s area )
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2009, 12:36:57 PM
It has been, but nice to see it again.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: gogm on November 18, 2009, 11:53:29 AM
Its a GOOD character study.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2009, 04:17:40 PM
She looked like an Empress ! A true daughter of the Tsar of Russia !
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 17, 2010, 09:21:59 AM
Maria in court dress


(http://i48.tinypic.com/dbqt0h.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Veronica on June 17, 2010, 04:50:12 PM
Maria and her governess

(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/516/mariaalexynanafile.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 17, 2010, 05:52:21 PM
I forgot about her name. Weren't their letters recently auctioned ?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on June 18, 2010, 01:17:18 AM
I forgot about her name. Weren't their letters recently auctioned ?

Anna Fedorovna Tyutcheva, Aksakova by her husband. She wrote an interesting book of memoirs.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 18, 2010, 08:55:15 AM
Were they published ? Only in Russian ?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Svetabel on June 18, 2010, 08:58:24 AM
Were they published ? Only in Russian ?

We had discussed this once...And as always you regretted that the memoirs were in Russian.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 18, 2010, 09:01:29 AM
Can someone tell me who painted this portrait of Maria?

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2197tzr.jpg)

Its cute, tho not so accurate. Thanks in advanced!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 18, 2010, 09:03:59 AM
No idea...but a highly "idealised" painting. QV noticed Marie's lack of beauty, but admired her spirit and of course her money.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 19, 2010, 03:32:11 AM
I  think QV admired her forehead!!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 19, 2010, 07:50:28 AM
Yes...Although she was jealous of Marie's fine jewelry.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
Post by: violetta on November 01, 2010, 03:49:59 PM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/marie.jpg)


i wonder if maria alexandrovna was a chef of any regiment when she lived in russia ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2010, 04:31:35 PM
She was hense she did wear military garb as you see in this picture.
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Post by: CountessKate on November 01, 2010, 04:44:20 PM
She was Colonel-in-Chief of the 14th Yamburg Lancers Regiment, whose uniform, as Eric points out, she wears in the photograph.  It was a Uhlan regiment.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2010, 04:46:10 PM
Thanks CountessKate. I think two of Nicholas II's daughters also have regiments (Marie & Anastasia were too young).
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Post by: CountessKate on November 01, 2010, 04:55:26 PM
Maria was Colonel-in-Chief of the 5th Kazansky Dragoons and Anastasia was Colonel-in-Chief of the 148th Kaspiisky Infantry Regiment (to which she was appointed on her 14th birthday), though both were too young to take part in the ceremonial parades which Olga and Tatiana attended.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2010, 05:03:27 PM
Interesting facts. Thanks. 14 is quite young to be appointed, I wonder if Marie Coburg was appointed at a similar tender age ?
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Post by: violetta on November 01, 2010, 05:05:44 PM
maria and anastasia were so proud of that e.g. in her letters to her father during ww I anastasia signed her letter as Kaspiets ( Каспиец)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2010, 05:09:11 PM
Thanks for info. I wonder if Marie Coburg was made head of reigments at such an age too. She too was proud of her Russian heritage.
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Post by: Svetabel on November 01, 2010, 11:33:38 PM



i wonder if maria alexandrovna was a chef of any regiment when she lived in russia ?

Yes, she was the chief of her Uhlan regiment since 1871 year.
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Post by: violetta on November 02, 2010, 02:23:58 AM
did she remain their chef even after her marriage? by the way, if grand duchesses married foreign princes did they have to leave thei position of a chef? they were to live abroad and couldn`t see their regiments very often.
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Post by: Svetabel on November 02, 2010, 04:30:00 AM
did she remain their chef even after her marriage? by the way, if grand duchesses married foreign princes did they have to leave thei position of a chef? they were to live abroad and couldn`t see their regiments very often.

She did remain.

The Grand Duchesses didn't leave the positions becouse of the marriage, there was no special rule of abandoning the position. Some of them were the chiefs till their death.
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Post by: Kalafrana on November 02, 2010, 05:31:49 AM
'Interesting facts. Thanks. 14 is quite young to be appointed, I wonder if Marie Coburg was appointed at a similar tender age ?'

As I understand it, Grand Dukes and Grand Duchesses were appointed Colonels-in-chief at birth, but only started wearing uniform and attending parades etc in that role a good deal later.

Incidentally, Prussian princes were put under the tutelage of military governors at seven and commissioned into the 1st Foot Guards at ten.

Ann
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Post by: Svetabel on November 02, 2010, 05:55:37 AM
'Interesting facts. Thanks. 14 is quite young to be appointed, I wonder if Marie Coburg was appointed at a similar tender age ?'

As I understand it, Grand Dukes and Grand Duchesses were appointed Colonels-in-chief at birth, but only started wearing uniform and attending parades etc in that role a good deal later.

Incidentally, Prussian princes were put under the tutelage of military governors at seven and commissioned into the 1st Foot Guards at ten.

Ann

Grand Dukes, yes, were appointed at birth, but Grand Duchesses not. They "received" their regiment later.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 02, 2010, 11:13:00 AM
Maybe to select a suitable for them ? So many babies died in infancy.
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Post by: violetta on November 14, 2010, 12:08:16 PM
i guess it`s maria alexandrovna in a wedding dress

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/104877281.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 14, 2010, 12:11:39 PM
It looks like her. Here a caricature from the same ocation

(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4253/10199921a.jpg) (http://img403.imageshack.us/i/10199921a.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 15, 2010, 11:26:49 AM
It makes her look much slimmer that she actually was.  ;)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 14, 2011, 07:53:24 PM
(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/6685/aw46fg.jpg) (http://img810.imageshack.us/i/aw46fg.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2011, 01:11:20 PM
She looked like her brother Vladimir.
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Post by: violetta on January 23, 2011, 04:14:16 PM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/beatrvmalexandra.jpg)


the grand duchess with her 3 daughters
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 09, 2011, 01:38:01 PM
After checking the whole thread I've seen that many of the paintings aren't now available  :(
I want to post two:
From the always amazing Royal Collection
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/royalcollectionMA.jpg)
Another painting
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/MAR.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 21, 2011, 01:18:59 PM
The Duchess of Edinburgh on a card...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/MAE.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 21, 2011, 01:24:15 PM
Wearing her 6 strand of pearls that was part of the wedding gift. They were inherited by her daughter Missy after her death.
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Post by: Windsor on December 22, 2011, 01:08:20 PM
Are there any books currently available about the Grand Duchess?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 22, 2011, 01:36:36 PM
No. But she could found in group bios on female Romanovs, bio on her husband Alfred and her daughters Missy, Ducky and Baby Bee.
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Post by: TampaBay on December 23, 2011, 06:22:20 AM
I forgot who much she looks like her brother Alexandra III.

Did she more resemble her mother or father?

TampaBay
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 23, 2011, 09:54:56 AM
Not really. Her father was quite handsome and slim while her mother was delicate.
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Post by: ashdean on December 23, 2011, 02:25:50 PM
She looks very much like her brother Vladimir
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 24, 2011, 01:11:09 PM
Yes, and also Alexander III too. But the ones that looked more like Alexander II were slim like Serge & Paul, Alexis sort of in between.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on April 09, 2012, 10:43:33 AM
Are there any books currently available about the Grand Duchess?

I have just started reading "Dearest Missy". Containing the letters between the Duchess of Coburg and her daughter Marie. It's quite an interesting read, the Duchess appears quite a loving mother, which I didn't really expect.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 09, 2012, 02:13:59 PM
She was...But also she was very demanding and judgmental. However when her children was in trouble, Maria could be counted for help. Especially in the lives of Missy, Ducky and Baby Bee.
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Post by: Marc on April 28, 2012, 05:40:40 PM
Maria could be counted for help. Especially in the lives of Missy, Ducky and Baby Bee.

I would include Sandra also,who was the least known of the sisters-we know she left her big amount of jewels which didn't please too much her sisters!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 30, 2012, 08:58:32 AM
She was not the best of daughters nor she was of sisters. Baby Bee wrote that Sandra swindle her mother out of her jewels and later refuse to help her.
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Post by: Ally Kumari on June 04, 2012, 05:21:32 AM
A portrait by Gustav Richter

(http://nd05.jxs.cz/745/179/6219c437d4_86106588_o2.jpg)

source: Royal collection
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 04, 2012, 06:58:19 AM
I have seen it used in the Van Der Kiste book. I wonder where that paining is right now...
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Post by: grandduchessella on June 09, 2012, 04:11:10 PM
It's in the Royal collection. The website indicates that it's still in their possession.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 10, 2012, 01:46:11 AM
Maybe in one of the palaces.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 18, 2013, 01:15:28 PM
A pretty girl. *****credits on the image*****

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/LittleMA.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 22, 2013, 01:53:40 PM
Young Marie Alexandrovna and husband
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/MANPG.jpg)

*****Source: the NPG****
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Post by: THERRY on January 23, 2013, 04:50:07 AM
Today is the anniversary of their marriage in 1874
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Post by: OctoberLily on September 18, 2013, 01:27:15 AM
Did Marie convert from the Russian Orthodox religion when she married Alfred?
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Post by: Svetabel on September 18, 2013, 02:40:36 AM
Did Marie convert from the Russian Orthodox religion when she married Alfred?

No, she never converted, she was a staunch Orthodox.
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Post by: Kalafrana on September 18, 2013, 08:55:12 AM
when I visited Coburg in 1998, I went to Rosenau, where the guides show you a room which Marie had converted into an Orthodox chapel.

Ann
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Post by: OctoberLily on September 18, 2013, 12:47:56 PM
Thank you Svetabel and Ann. 

I assume that her children were raised in the Anglican faith. Would that be correct?



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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 18, 2013, 12:51:41 PM
Yes they were raised in the Anglican Faith in England, but when they were decamp to Coburg, they switched to the Lutheran Church. Both Missy & Ducky were confirmed in the Lutheran Church in Coburg.
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Post by: Kalafrana on September 19, 2013, 04:25:32 AM
Interestingly, my Air Cadet squadron has just moved into new premises shared with a Territorial Army unit. One of their photographs on the landing is of Alfred of Coburg as a Lieutenant in 1895. I will take a picture of the photo and try to post it.

He looks distinctly chinless and immature!

Ann
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Post by: grandduchessella on September 19, 2013, 04:27:38 PM
That is really cool! I love it when one just stumbles across royal memorabilia, etc....

Marie also had an Orthodox Chapel in Clarence House. It doesn't exist anymore though.

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 19, 2013, 10:18:49 PM
Indeed Just like the Catholic Chapel at Somerset House used by Henrietta Maria & Catherine of Braganza.
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Post by: Svetabel on September 23, 2013, 07:49:36 AM
Pearls and diamonds of Duchess Marie, exhibited in Coburg, 1903 year.

(http://www.picatom.com/2a/pearlsdiamondsofMA1903coburg-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/2a/pearlsdiamondsofMA1903coburg-1.html)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 23, 2013, 12:44:54 PM
Showing off her wealth ? She did have a bigger collection than her successor "Dick" (Viktoria Adeheld, Duchess of Coburg). 
Title: Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna is most displeased
Post by: bongo on February 20, 2014, 12:01:27 AM
Always unhappy. Always frowning. Nothing is ever good enough. The past is always better.

I think I love her.

Was she sympathetic with Ducky about her divorce?

Roger Peyrefitti in his roman à clef The Exile Of Capri said that Maria's husband collected 'privy casts' of his Coburg male subjects, but the plaster phalli were destroyed after his death.

So you would think with that similar marriage history, Maria have empathised with her daughter's unhappiness.

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 20, 2014, 09:54:08 AM
Yes. But she was very critical of the straying off the marriage bed. Missy did it so many times that Marie Coburg came down hard on her. She was also hard on Sandra when she did that. The only one who had the best marriage was Baby Bee. She flirted but never did what her other sisters did.
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 20, 2014, 10:49:43 AM
Showing off her wealth ? She did have a bigger collection than her successor "Dick" (Viktoria Adeheld, Duchess of Coburg). 

It was to raise money (and she did, a "remarkable large sum") for a local children's hospital. The exhibition was held in her palace in Coburg. She rented showcases for it and dragooned her daughters and other relations (including her nephew but not yet son-in-law Kyril and Dowager Duchess Alexandrine) into participating as well. All the daughters displayed jewels (with Missy's being particularly remarked on) as well as various objects d'art, furs and laces (some of which had belonged to the late Empress Marie), fans and heirlooms such as the tea service which had been a wedding gift to Marie from her father Alexander II and Duke Alfred's silver model ships. The coronation robes worn by Marie at her brother's coronation and the robes worn by her daughters at the coronation of Edward VII were also on display.
 
Here are some more photos--it was covered in the German amgazines of the time:

http://www.royal-magazin.de/german/sachsen-coburg/sachsen-coburg-schmuck-prinzessinnen.htm
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Post by: Превед on February 20, 2014, 07:43:03 PM
Roger Peyrefitti in his roman à clef The Exile Of Capri said that Maria's husband collected 'privy casts' of his Coburg male subjects

Lol, makes fellow Bavarian Ludwig II seem normal.

Fantastic if ALL the sovereigns south of the Weißwurstäquator - White Sausage Equator (a Freudian term!? :-) i.e. river Main* at some point were gay or bisexual:
Ernst Ludwig of Hesse, Alfred of S-C-G, Ludwig II of Bavaria, Karl I and Wilhelm II of Württemberg and Friedrich I of Baden! Geil, gell?

* OK, so all of S-C-G is north of the Main, but if Duke Alfred was the one farthest in the closest, that is only fitting!

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 22, 2014, 09:36:48 AM
Thanks for sharing the pics of the exhibition. Love to see all the pictures if I can get my hands on a magazine...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 07, 2014, 12:34:35 PM
*****Source: From wise-cat's gallery (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/wise-cat/date/2012-06-17) at Yandex.ru*****

Wearing a kokoshnik and court dress:

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/mariealexandrovna_zps2b28136b.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/mariealexandrovna_zps2b28136b.jpg.html)
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Post by: Dru on August 20, 2016, 09:03:17 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/149186504645 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/149186504645)

Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna.
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Post by: Joanna on January 19, 2017, 10:22:19 AM
Schloss Rosenau, Coburg

Dear Beloved Rosenau

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2017/01/dear-beloved-rosenau.html

Joanna

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Post by: Ally Kumari on March 04, 2017, 02:39:06 AM
(https://pp.userapi.com/c639619/v639619079/b15e/4O0eep595Qs.jpg) (https://pp.userapi.com/c639619/v639619079/b165/n6E2Ixd99SY.jpg)

https://vk.com/house_of_romanov
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Post by: Inok Nikolai on September 21, 2018, 09:29:56 AM
Showing off her wealth ? She did have a bigger collection than her successor "Dick" (Viktoria Adeheld, Duchess of Coburg). 

It was to raise money (and she did, a "remarkable large sum") for a local children's hospital. The exhibition was held in her palace in Coburg. She rented showcases for it and dragooned her daughters and other relations (including her nephew but not yet son-in-law Kyril and Dowager Duchess Alexandrine) into participating as well. All the daughters displayed jewels (with Missy's being particularly remarked on) as well as various objects d'art, furs and laces (some of which had belonged to the late Empress Marie), fans and heirlooms such as the tea service which had been a wedding gift to Marie from her father Alexander II and Duke Alfred's silver model ships. The coronation robes worn by Marie at her brother's coronation and the robes worn by her daughters at the coronation of Edward VII were also on display.
 
Here are some more photos--it was covered in the German amgazines of the time:

http://www.royal-magazin.de/german/sachsen-coburg/sachsen-coburg-schmuck-prinzessinnen.htm

A recent exhibit of part of her church plate, etc.:
https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwart/article/Lost-Masterpieces-of-Imperial-Romanov-Liturgical-Silver-on-View-at-Museum-of-Russian-Icons-20180918
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Post by: Joanna on May 24, 2020, 05:12:38 PM
Portrait of the Daughters of Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna and the Edinburgh Palais in Coburg

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.com/2020/05/lost-portrait-of-queen-victorias.html

Joanna
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Post by: Marc on June 25, 2020, 08:48:36 AM
Portrait of the Daughters of Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna and the Edinburgh Palais in Coburg

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.com/2020/05/lost-portrait-of-queen-victorias.html

Joanna

Royal Musings had an article about that painting:

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2020/06/a-lovely-kaulbach-safe-in-private-hands.html

Thanks to Marlene's blog, it can be seen in color!
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Post by: Joanna on July 07, 2020, 12:42:06 PM
A Kaulbach pastel of Queen Marie in Tsarskoe Selo Museum:

http://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.com/2020/07/part-ii-lost-portrait-of-queen.html

Joanna