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Title: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Ildiko on May 27, 2005, 02:11:08 PM
Rudolf's daughter Elisabeth called "Erzsi" was brought up by her mother and grandfather Emperor Franz Josef who whoreshipped her.
Her relationship with her mother became very distant when she married in 1900 Count Elemer Lonyay. Erzsi didn't consider it a proper marriage and felt that her mother betrayed her father. In 1902 she married Prince Otto zu Windisch-Graetz, who was also not suitable for an Archduchess. He was originally engagement to another woman, but Erzsi didn't give up and in the Franz Josef had to command Otto to marry his
granddaughter.
Four children were born from this marriage: Franz Josef (1904-1981), his wife Ghislaine d'Arschot Schoonhoven wrote a biograhpy about her mother in law (Kaiseradler und Rote Nelken),  Ernst Weriand (1905-1952), Rudolf (1907-1939) he died in a motorcar accident and Stephanie *1909 who was most likely the daughter of the Marine Officer Egon Lerch who in action in the Frist World War.
Erzsi was very jealous of other woman and once even shot on one with her pistol, to avoid a scandal the woman was given money.
Like her grandmother the Empress Erzsi liked to travel and Franz Josef did the same as with his wife and gave her money to build/ buy some palace in Austria. Erzsi bought Schloss Schönau which had originally belonged to her uncle Archduke Otto.
In 1924 Erszi and Otto divorced and she met the Austrian Socialist Leopold Petznek. She became a fighter for the Socialists and their cause and was known as the "Red Archduchess". Originally the court granted Erzsi the two elder sons, while the younger son and daughter should live with Otto. But when he came to her home to take the children, Erzsi had invited new friends from the Socialists and told Otto that she would shot herself and the children if he didn't move. Well he did.
Her mother Stephanie wrote her memoirs (I shoudl've been Empress-Memoirs of the last Crownprincess of Austria-Hungary), but Erzsi forbade them to be published, as she felt it a betrayal for her father.
While young Erzsi whoreshipped her children, but was a very unfriendly mother when they became older. Rudoulf was taken out of school and put in a factory. Like when other people he lost all money during the depressions, but Erzsi didn't give him or her other children one cent.
In 1948 Erzsi married Leopold Petznek, who had survived the concentration camp in Dachau. Leopold Petznek died in 1956 and Erzsi in 1963. Her children only got the legal portion while the rest went to the Austrian Government.
There's a book about Erzsi by Friedrich Weissensteiner: Die Rote Erzherzogin, but I think it's only available in German
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Linnea on September 09, 2005, 07:25:27 AM
The daughter of Archduchess Elisabeth Marie of Austria, granddaughter of Crown Prince Rudolf and great-granddaughter of Emperor Franz Joseph of Austria and Leopold II. of Belgium has died (7th September). She was born on 9th July 1909 in Castle Ploschkowitz as the 4th child and first daughter of Prinz Otto zu Windisch-Graetz and his wife Elisabeth, née Archduchess of Austria. Her full name was Stephanie Eleonore Maria Elisabeth Kamilla Philomena Veronika. As the marriage of her parents proved rocky and was finally divorced, Stephanie and her brothers moved with their mother into the castle Schönau in Lower Austria. In 1933, she married the Belgian count Pierre d´Alcantara de Querrieu (1907-1944, died in the Concentr. camp Oranienburg) and in 1935 their only child, Alvar, was born. However, the pair seperated in the late 1930s. Some years later, Stephanie met the Swedish businessman Carl Axel Björklund and fell in love with him. In 1944, she gave birth to her second son Björn. The pair married in 1945. Stephanie was a passionate photographer and painter and some of her arts were shown in galleries in Belguim.
Stephanie as a young girl with her brother Rudolf:
(http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs18/stephaniewindisch1909-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: synnadene on September 09, 2005, 01:01:48 PM

Have somebody some picture about Stephanie as an adult?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Wettin on September 10, 2005, 06:42:13 AM
I was lucky going through my uncle´s archive and found this clipping (without a mention of the source). According to the clipping Stéphanie was called Fée. The male figure is her husband Carl Axel Björklund, who represented the Swedish company Stora (Kopparberg) in Belgium. The boy is Björn. Sorry for being fussy, but her first husband was named Pierre d´Alcantara after the Spanish saint.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v714/bullterrier22000/GER_WindischGraetz_Stephanie.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Linnea on September 10, 2005, 07:01:04 AM
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I was lucky going through my uncle´s archive and found this clipping (without a mention of the source). According to the clipping Stéphanie was called Fée. The male figure is her husband Carl Axel Björklund, who represented the Swedish company Stora (Kopparberg) in Belgium. The boy is Björn. Sorry for being fussy, but her first husband was named Pierre d´Alcantara after the Spanish saint.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v714/bullterrier22000/GER_WindischGraetz_Stephanie.jpg)

Wow, Wettin! It´s nearly impossible to find a pic of the adult Stéphanie! Thanks sooo much for posting it! Did you find it in Sweden?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Wettin on September 10, 2005, 01:20:42 PM
No, I found it in Germany. I live in both countries.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Danjel on September 14, 2005, 04:33:00 PM
and another one of Prss Stephanie....a real glam-pic!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/Stephanie.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marc on September 15, 2005, 06:41:31 PM
Here she looks like a Holywood actress!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marc on September 15, 2005, 06:41:56 PM
I meant Hollywood!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Emilia on October 01, 2005, 03:55:18 AM
Hey! I´m very interested in this woman and her life! What is known about her childhood, life at the Austrian court, marriage, children, love affairs, life in the republic, 2nd marriage etc.? I have read she was Franz Joseph´s favourite and most beautful granddaughter, is this true? And if somebody has pics of her...? ;)
One pic I have found
(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/habsburg/hbl-lothringen/1883%20Elisabeth.JPG)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Joseph_van_Loon on October 01, 2005, 04:02:52 AM
Hi, in "Recollections of a royal governess (ed. 1915)" you'll find many details about her childhood. Also her daughter in law, princess Ghislaine de Windisch-Graetz, wrote a book about her, that's only available in French and German. Kind regards from Belgium, Joseph van Loon.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Linnea on October 01, 2005, 05:37:02 AM
There´s a new book about Erzsi by F. Weissensteiner out now:
(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/3492245382.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Linnea on October 01, 2005, 08:29:36 AM
a glamourous Elisabeth Marie
(http://www.aeiou.at/aeiou.encyclop.data.image.p/p289877a.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Linnea on October 02, 2005, 05:29:55 AM
Elisabeth´s first husband, Prince Otto zu Windisch-Graetz
(http://imgs.sapo.pt/genealogia/pessoas/pes_6273.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Linnea on October 02, 2005, 06:43:35 AM
She was quite an original!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: anabel on October 02, 2005, 11:34:21 AM
Interesting topic! Elisabeth Marie was a fascinating woman!
Emilia: I don´t know that much about her love life, but before and during WWI, she had an affair with Egon Lerch, a submarine captain. I found a pic of him:
(http://www.kuk-kriegsmarine.at/bilder/lerchkopie.jpg)
Elisabeth actually wasn´t a very good mother. She doted on her children when they were small, but when they grew older, she didn´t treat them well, especially Rudolf, who had to leave school and begin to work in a fabric, because his mother was a professed socialist. Elisabeth and her daughter Stephanie didn´t have a good relationship either. Stephanie married her first husband due to the fact that her mother didn´t like him!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: TampaBay on October 02, 2005, 12:27:09 PM
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She doted on her children when they were small, but when they grew older, she didn´t treat them well, especially Rudolf, who had to leave school and begin to work in a fabric


What is a "fabric"? Did they need Money?


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because his mother was a professed socialist.



So was Lord Louis Mountbatten!  



TampaBay
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 02, 2005, 02:48:13 PM
TampaBay, I think anabel meant "factory". But Elisabeth Marie herself didn't need money of course.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: erzsi on October 02, 2005, 03:01:11 PM
Erzsi was a good mother she fight for her children when otto came and say they are his childs.
Later she didnt want the children near her because her love with otto petznek was young...
Later her son Franz Joseph came often to visit her in vienna(he lived since 1947 in Kenia)and also the other kids.Rudolf dies tragic in a motorad accident 1939 and Ernst Weriand  d. 1953
In the 1920és she took Stephanie (Fee) into a kloster in belgium.
Erzsi dislike her 2 husband Carl Björklund
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Linnea on October 02, 2005, 03:44:02 PM
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Erzsi was a good mother she fight for her children when otto came and say they are his childs.

hmmm. This was kind of an horrible event. Otto came to Elisabeth´s place to take the children (only the two smmaller ones, I think) and there were socialists with guns everywhere to stop him as Elisabeth had called for their help against Otto. Otto went home without his children and they were raised by Elisabeth. If this really was good for the children, noone knows...
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: anabel on October 03, 2005, 06:27:15 AM
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Erzsi was a good mother she fight for her children when otto came and say they are his childs.
Later she didnt want the children near her because her love with otto petznek was young...

I don´t think you can call her a good mother when she treated her children like that! And I have also heared that her first husband wasn´t the father of her last child! No, she maybe had a fascinating personality (much like her father) but she wasn´t a real sport!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Daniela on October 04, 2005, 04:05:32 AM
Here is a short bio on Erzsi:

Born on September 2nd 1883, she was the only child of Crown Prince Rudolf of Austria and Princess Stephanie of Belgium. When her father died in January 1889, her grandfather, Emperor Franz Joseph, took over the guardianship of his much beloved granddaughter. At a young age she displayed a strong personality, even stubbornness, as well as an opposition against the court in Vienna.
She was cold and distant towards her mother, especially after she married Count Elemer Lonyay in 1900. On January 23rd 1902 in Vienna, 'Erzsi' married Prince Otto zu Windisch-Graetz, a marriage not befitting her social standing. However, Emperor Franz Joseph very generously assured that she could live in luxury with her husband.
Between 1904 and 1909 four children were born, but the marriage became a very unhappy one. Both Erzsi and Otto flaunted their much-discussed affaires. Only after the death of her grandfather, and the end of the monarchy, was Elisabeth able to obtain a divorce. However, the legal process, started in 1919, was finalized only in 1924 and then a yearlong fight started about the custody of their children. These were kidnapped with police action causing Elisabeth to seek help from the social democrats.
At this time she started to live with the social democratic teacher and politician, Leopold Petzneck, and remained at his side when there were marches and meetings where she was accepted with great respect. In February 1934 Petzneck was arrested and jailed by the Austrian government and, in 1944, sent to the concentration camp in Dachau. Surviving this ordeal, they married on 4 May 1948 in Vienna. In 1956 Leopold Petzneck died and Elisabeth became a reclusive. She suffered from gout and most of the time was wheelchair bound. In her will she left her inheritance to the 'Wiener Gemeinde'.


I had an impression, that she wasn't good mother. When I look at the photos taken with her children she seams very cold and distant to me.

Daniela


Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marie Valerie on February 24, 2006, 11:00:48 AM
Has anyone got a piccie of Elisabeth Marie's second husband Leopold Petznek?

???
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Emilia on February 24, 2006, 11:14:36 AM
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Has anyone got a piccie of Elisabeth Marie's second husband Leopold Petznek?

 ???


Here is one...
(http://www.dasrotewien.at/bilder/d23/Petznek_Leopold_TF_DOEW.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marie Valerie on February 24, 2006, 11:21:58 AM
Thank You!

Poor Leopold that's a police pic..
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: britt.25 on March 08, 2006, 08:00:13 AM
Any other photos of her???

Would be grateful!

Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marie Valerie on March 08, 2006, 09:24:18 AM
I have read in my book "Kaiseradler und Rote Nelke", that Stephanie is not the legitimate child of Otto zu Windisch-Graetz. She is the result of the relationship from her Mama to Egon Lerch, a submarine captain in the austrian army.

The author of this book is Ghislaine Windisch-Graetz, who was married to Stephanie's eldest brother Franz Joseph, so it seems to be true.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Linnea on March 08, 2006, 09:56:25 AM
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I have read in my book "Kaiseradler und Rote Nelke", that Stephanie is not the legitimate child of Otto zu Windisch-Graetz. She is the result of the relationship from her Mama to Egon Lerch, a submarine captain in the austrian army.

The author of this book is Ghislaine Windisch-Graetz, who was married to Stephanie's eldest brother Franz Joseph, so it seems to be true.


Dear Marie_Valerie, I have read "Kaiseradler und rote Nelke" by Stephanie´s sister-in-law too, but I can´t remember that it suggested that Egon Lerch was Stephanie´s father. ??? And as Stephanie was born in summer 1909 and Elisabeth "Erzsi" got to know Lerch in 1913 it seems unlikely that he´s the father. ;)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marie Valerie on March 08, 2006, 11:03:00 AM
It is also in the Personenregister, some family members claim that Stephanie is the daughter of Egon Lerch...

But we won't know if this is true or false.

Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: José on March 08, 2006, 12:10:52 PM
Are there any photos of her with first husband (just to complete the family album  ;D ?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: royalboy202 on March 13, 2006, 10:50:31 AM
Can someone provide a geneology of her husband
Pierre d'Alcantara di Querrieu.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: britt.25 on March 27, 2006, 09:09:32 AM
Any more photos of Stephanie as adult? They are hardly to find!

If you have any, please post... :)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marie Valerie on June 13, 2006, 10:06:56 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Habsburg/Habsburg-Lothringen/Elisabeth%20Marie%20-%20Erzsi/0000339403-010.jpg)

A painting of Erzsi
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 21, 2006, 08:28:19 AM
Marie_Valerie, do you know who painted this wonderful portrait of little Elisabeth Marie? Koppay?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: erzsi on June 21, 2006, 02:27:25 PM
Yes Koppay paint it you can see his signature a little bit down right
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marie Valerie on June 22, 2006, 07:54:11 AM
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Yes Koppay paint it you can see his signature a little bit down right


You're right, Koppay did it.  ;)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 22, 2006, 04:39:41 PM
Koppay also did this wonderful portrait of Marie Valérie and her eldest daughter Elisabeth Franziska. Its style of painting is quite the same, so I thought Koppay must have painted this portrait of Elisabeth Marie, too.   ;)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Danjel on June 22, 2006, 04:52:20 PM
some pictures of Erzsi as an older women, one was posted by Marie-Charlotte before!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/atoldage1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/atoldage.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Danjel on June 22, 2006, 04:59:58 PM
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Quote from: Marie_Valerie  link=1128153318/0#24 date=1140800448
Has anyone got a piccie of Elisabeth Marie's second husband Leopold Petznek?

 ???

Here is one...
(http://www.dasrotewien.at/bilder/d23/Petznek_Leopold_TF_DOEW.jpg)


Her's antoher one, with thanks to Marie-Charlotte

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/Elisabethhusband2.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Sissi on June 22, 2006, 05:06:14 PM
Great Pictures, she aged pretty well
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 23, 2006, 03:12:47 AM
Nevertheless she was very ill in old age and wasn't able to walk anymore.

Just like her grandmother, Elisabeth Marie loved dogs. She ordered that her dogs should be shot on the day she dies. Strange, don't you think?  :-?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 23, 2006, 03:14:23 AM
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Quote
Quote from: Marie_Valerie  link=1128153318/0#24 date=1140800448
Has anyone got a piccie of Elisabeth Marie's second husband Leopold Petznek?

 ???

Here is one...
(http://www.dasrotewien.at/bilder/d23/Petznek_Leopold_TF_DOEW.jpg)


Her's antoher one, with thanks to Marie-Charlotte

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/Elisabethhusband2.jpg)

This is NOT Leopold Petznek, but Elmer Lonyay, the second husband of Stéphanie of Belgium.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: lababoc on September 22, 2006, 12:16:32 PM
Maybe she knew  nobody would love and care for her dogs the way she did and the animals would  be miserable without her...
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on September 24, 2006, 09:36:48 AM
And statement that Erzi failed to become Queen of Belgium !

Indeed, when the young Prince Albert sought a wife, his choice had been initially made on Isabelle of Orleans then on Erzi. But, for family reasons - Leopold II was against this marriage - this project failed and he was folded back on Elisabeth in Bavaria, the last candidate possible.

But, if that had succeeded, I wonder which Queen of Belgium Elisabeth Marie could have been...
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marc on September 24, 2006, 12:23:43 PM
Is there anywhere a good-normal painting of Elisabeth Marie?I think I have never seen any  :-[
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on May 23, 2007, 11:08:34 AM
i'm looking for pictures of rudolfs daughter Elizabeth but i haven't been able to find ANY!....can someone help me out! :-\
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Veronika on May 23, 2007, 11:19:24 AM
,,Erzsi" as a child

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/Veronika1837/erzsi.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: britt.25 on May 23, 2007, 01:55:43 PM
Dear members,

I deleted some old posts here, where the pictures were obviously taken away and were not to see anymore...
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: britt.25 on May 24, 2007, 02:02:00 AM
Hi, the new pictures are very nice!!! I hope I wasn´t the only one, who couldn´t see the old pictures anymore, and so deleted them. Please tell me, if so... :-\

Especially the one with the signature is very beautiful and was new to me! Is it a postcard? Is it from ebay or something? Very nice ;)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on May 24, 2007, 07:24:18 AM
thank you guys!
great pics!
did she ever take any with her father before he died....? ::)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: britt.25 on May 25, 2007, 02:16:36 AM
I don´t know it for sure, but I never saw pictures of her with her father, apart from those, when she was a child. Maybe some other specialists know more :P
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on May 25, 2007, 07:16:02 AM
i wonder what kinda of an impact the suicide of her father had on her...i mean....how old was she when he killed himself?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yseult on May 25, 2007, 11:16:54 AM
i wonder what kinda of an impact the suicide of her father had on her...i mean....how old was she when he killed himself?

Erzsi was born on september 1883 and her father´s death apparently through suicide happened on january 1889. So, the archduchess has five years and four months.
I don´t know much about Erzsi´s childhood, so I can´t tell you how the death of her father affected her while she was growing up. I really want to know more about her relationship with her paternal grandparents and her aunts, and also about her relationship with her own mother. Stephanie had not the support and emotional protection of the imperial family after the tragedy. I read somewhere (I don´t remember why...) that her mother in law, Sissi, blamed her for the unhappiness of Rudolf...and, in some ways, for the sad story between Rudolf and Mary Vetsera.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on May 25, 2007, 01:08:10 PM
i want to know what sort of relationship she had with her father.....and was she close to her mother?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Vasiliy on May 25, 2007, 02:46:05 PM
i want to know what sort of relationship she had with her father.....and was she close to her mother?

Yes, it is interesting !
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Vasiliy on May 25, 2007, 02:49:40 PM
May be it is a ridiculous question, but why do you call her red Archduchess ???
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marc on May 25, 2007, 06:47:48 PM
Because her second husband was a comunist leader!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 25, 2007, 07:07:22 PM
Apparently, the relationship with her mother, at least in later years, was not good at all.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on June 07, 2007, 04:08:07 PM
(http://www.habalukke.ch/zeitung/Erzsibeth.jpg) (http://www.ladyreading.net/sissi/big/stefania.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: newfan on July 31, 2007, 05:40:24 PM
hi
does anybody knows what happen to her children?i know to sons died ..did her children had any kids on thier own?
thanks
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on August 01, 2007, 02:42:52 AM
hi
does anybody knows what happen to her children?i know to sons died ..did her children had any kids on thier own?
thanks

1) Franz Josef Marie Otto Antonius Ignatius Oktavianus (1904-1981)

His children:
1) Stéphanie Marie Eva (born 1939)
2) Guillaume Franz Josef Maria (born 1950)

2) Ernst Weriand Maria Otto Antonius Expeditus Anselmus (1905-1952)

His children:
1) Otto Ernst Wilhelm (born 1928)
2) Stéphanie Maria Magdalena (born 1933)
3) Eléonore Aloysia Elisabeth Maria (born 1947)
4) Elisabeth Maria Eva Margarita (born 1951)

3) Rudolf Johann Maria Otto Joseph Anton Andreas (1907-1930)

> didn't have children

4) Stephanie Eleonore Maria Elisabeth Kamilla Philomena Veronika (1909-2005)
 
Her children:
1) Alvar Etienne d'Alcantara di Querrieu (born 1935)
2) Björn-Axel Björklund (born 1944)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: amelia on August 01, 2007, 06:32:09 AM
Where did she and her children live after the fall of the monarchy? Were they wealthy?  Thank you

Amelia
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: newfan on August 03, 2007, 08:26:25 AM
hi ..i know that erzi died 22 March 1963 at age 79 in Vienna-Hütteldorf, Austria...i think i read here that she lived well .also in her later life didnt have a good relatonship with her children...trying to get more info about the kids but not much luck...her doughter Stephanie Eleonore Prinzessin zu Windisch-Grätz was a photografer,there was a website that i was able to find before (cant now)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: newfan on August 03, 2007, 08:29:52 AM
 Ernst Veriand Maria Otto Antonius Expeditus Anselmus Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz was born on 21 April 1905 in Prague, Czech Republic. He was the son of Otto Weriand Hugo Ernst Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz and Elisabeth Marie Erzherzögin von Österreich. He married, firstly, Helena Skinner, daughter of Henry Skinner and Mary Obermuller, on 17 October 1927 in Vienna, Austria. He married, secondly, Eva Baronin von Isbary, daughter of Lothar Baron von Isbary and Aloisia Klepsch-Kloth von Roden, on 11 May 1947 in Schwarzenbach an der Pielach, Austria. He died on 21 December 1952 at age 47 Vienna.
     Ernst Veriand Maria Otto Antonius Expeditus Anselmus Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz gained the title of Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz. His marriage to Helena Skinner was annulled in 1940.

Family 1 Helena Skinner b. 6 April 1906, d. 11 May 1982
Children Otto Ernst Wilhelm Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz+ b. 5 Dec 1928
Stephanie Maria Magdalena Prinzessin zu Windisch-Grätz+ b. 21 Jan 1933
 

Family 2 Eva Baronin von Isbary b. 5 April 1921
Children Eleonore Aloysia Elisabeth Maria Prinzessin zu Windisch-Grätz+ b. 25 Aug 1947
Elisabeth Maria Eva Margarita Prinzessin zu Windisch-Grätz+ b. 24 Oct 1951
 
...more coming i hope..
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: newfan on August 03, 2007, 08:37:06 AM
ok ..
   Stephanie Eleonore Prinzessin zu Windisch-Grätz was born on 9 July 1909 in Ploshwitz. She was the daughter of Otto Weriand Hugo Ernst Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz and Elisabeth Marie Erzherzögin von Österreich. She married, firstly, Pierre d'Alcantara di Querrieu, Comte d'Alcantara di Querrieu on 22 July 1933 in Brussels, Belgium. She married, secondly, Karl Axel Björklund on 14 November 1945 in Boitsfort, Brussels, Belgium. She died on 7 September 2005 at age 96
     Stephanie Eleonore Prinzessin zu Windisch-Grätz was baptised with the name of Stephanie Eleonore Maria Elisabeth Kamilla Philomena Veronika. Her married name became Björklund.

Family 1 Pierre d'Alcantara di Querrieu, Comte d'Alcantara di Querrieu b. 2 November 1907, d. 14 October 1944
Child Alvar Etienne d'Alcantara di Querrieu, Comte d'Alcantara di Querrieu+ b. 30 Jul 1935
 

Family 2 Karl Axel Björklund b. 21 December 1906, d. 26 February 1986
Child Bjorn-Axel Björklund+ b. 20 Oct 1944, d. 7 Sep 1995
 

Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: newfan on August 03, 2007, 08:42:02 AM
Josef Marie Otto Antonius Ignatius Oktavianus Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz was born on 22 March 1904 in Prague, Czech Republic.1 He was the son of Otto Weriand Hugo Ernst Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz and Elisabeth Marie Erzherzögin von Österreich. He married Countess Ghislaine d'Arschot-Schoenhoven, daughter of Countess Guillaume d'Arschot-Schoenhoven and Eva Nubar, on 3 January 1934 in Brussels, Belgium. He died on 1 January 1981 at age 76.
     Franz Josef Marie Otto Antonius Ignatius Oktavianus Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz gained the title of Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz.

Family Countess Ghislaine d'Arschot-Schoenhoven b. 10 March 1912
Children Stephanie Maria Eva Prinzessin zu Windisch-Grätz+ b. 17 Jan 1939
Guillaume Franz Josef Maria Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz b. 19 Nov 1950
 
 
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: newfan on August 03, 2007, 08:43:36 AM
rudolf Johann Maria Otto Joseph Anton Andrej Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz was born on 4 February 1907 in Ploshwitz. He was the son of Otto Weriand Hugo Ernst Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz and Elisabeth Marie Erzherzögin von Österreich. He died on 14 June 1930 at age 23 in Vienna, Austria.
     Rudolf Johann Maria Otto Joseph Anton Andrej Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz gained the title of Prinz zu Windisch-Grätz
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Greenowl on August 04, 2007, 01:15:41 PM
Hi Newfan, thanks for all the information!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yseult on June 23, 2008, 04:18:49 PM
I have found a wonderful painting of Erzsi made by Laszlo. Anyone has seen it in colour??? It must be great!

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Gallaeciafulget/ErzsibyLaszlo.jpg)

Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: britt.25 on June 24, 2008, 01:30:22 AM
It's a very nice painting indeed! Thank you for posting it here! I had never seen it before! Any idea, where to find it a bit bigger? It's fascinating and wonderfully made, and she reminds me of her mother there....! Is it originally in colour? And where did you find it?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marc on June 24, 2008, 09:07:50 AM
I think that this painting is in de Laszlo's archive in the file''missing paintings'' or something like that,so I think that the original must be in colour...Btw,I have never seen ANY portrait or painting of Elisabeth in colour...If anyone has,would be great to see it!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yseult on June 24, 2008, 01:34:56 PM
BTW...
anyone of you have some pictures of Erzsi with her cousins? Specially Dorothea of Coburg, Louise´s daughter?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 24, 2008, 02:17:49 PM
BTW...
anyone of you have some pictures of Erzsi with her cousins? Specially Dorothea of Coburg, Louise´s daughter?

There's one in Das Familienalbum von Kaiser Franz Joseph und Elisabeth. Unfortunately I can't post it, because I'm on the wrong computer at the moment.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yseult on June 24, 2008, 02:54:09 PM
Ohhhhhhhhhh...I hate your "wrong computer", MarieCharlotte ;)
I always wondered who were the people to whom little Erzsi was fondly attatched. I mean...she had not a close and tender relationship with her mother. I don´t know if her paternal aunts were fond of Erzsi, but I always have supposed that the two were so busy raising their own children...
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Princess Susan on June 25, 2008, 02:46:48 AM
Ohhhhhhhhhh...I hate your "wrong computer", MarieCharlotte ;)
I always wondered who were the people to whom little Erzsi was fondly attatched. I mean...she had not a close and tender relationship with her mother. I don´t know if her paternal aunts were fond of Erzsi, but I always have supposed that the two were so busy raising their own children...

Marie Valerie refered about her niece Erzsi several times in her diary. She didn't consider Stephanie for good mother. According notes in her diary, I suppose that Marie Valerie had quite friendly and positive relationship to Erzsi. At least during Erzsi's childhood. She was also bridesmaid on Valerie's wedding.
And her older sister Gisele who lived in Munich was propably too far for making any close relationship to her little niece.

Nice color picture crazy_wing :).
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Svetabel on July 06, 2008, 11:14:17 AM
BTW...
anyone of you have some pictures of Erzsi with her cousins? Specially Dorothea of Coburg, Louise´s daughter?

There's one in Das Familienalbum von Kaiser Franz Joseph und Elisabeth.

This one?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/ArchduchessElisabeth_cousinDoraC-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on July 08, 2008, 04:09:21 AM

This one?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/ArchduchessElisabeth_cousinDoraC-1.jpg)

Yes, I was talking of this picture - although there is a bigger version of better quality in Das Familienalbum ....
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Eric VdV on July 09, 2008, 03:16:48 PM
Thank you very much for the picture, Svetabel!
Never seen a picture of Erzsi and Dora together.

Eric VdV
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: britt.25 on July 10, 2008, 01:11:09 AM
I think, the Erzsis cousin on the picture looks much like her mother Louise, and also like her Habsburg cousins of second grade, the daughters of Archduke Friedrich, son of Henriette's sister Elisabeth! Incredible. Very nice, thank you!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Rani on July 10, 2008, 02:18:20 PM
(http://www.damensattel.cc/MythosPferdPiber/Kronprinzentochterklein.jpg)

So cute!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: britt.25 on July 10, 2008, 04:31:00 PM
I know, it's perhaps at the wrong place, but are there any more pictures of Dorothea?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Svetabel on July 11, 2008, 12:30:56 AM

So cute!

I'd say so sad...her face.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on July 11, 2008, 10:38:01 AM
yeah...she does look pretty miserable in that picture
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Rani on November 26, 2008, 01:07:45 PM
(http://i38.tinypic.com/24n1js5.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 26, 2008, 02:20:25 PM
Very nice!  :)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 15, 2009, 07:29:11 PM
She was a lovely girl, as cute as her father. Thank you for the images, the majority are new for me.
Sadly some of them are deleted. Can you help me please? Thanks for the topic, is very interesting
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 16, 2009, 08:26:08 PM
I don't know if there are photos or paintings of Erszi's weddings?
Please if you can find some please post them ;-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Rani on November 11, 2009, 10:56:14 AM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/stephanieelisabeth.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1899.jpg)
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1899m.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 11, 2009, 12:40:14 PM
Wonderful ones Rani!!! Thank you very999 much!!! Glad to see more new ones!!!
Is the last one the full verssion of this famous photos of her?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 11, 2009, 01:07:33 PM
Hopefully a new one: Elisabeth and Otto von Windisch-Graetz

(http://i38.tinypic.com/290y009.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 11, 2009, 01:17:04 PM
Wow!!! Is completely new for me... Where are they? I'd like to see a not blurry
verssion, this is good anyway... Thanks!! ;-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 11, 2009, 01:30:33 PM
you can find the not blurry version but with a huge watermark at the ONB
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 11, 2009, 02:03:55 PM
Shall I serach it as ONB or there is a easier or more direct way?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: THERRY on November 12, 2009, 12:14:49 PM
(http://i33.tinypic.com/2vjybyp.jpg)
Beautiful young Erzsy
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 12, 2009, 02:04:58 PM
Aren't there images of Erzsi's wedding? I'd like to see one, but I'm not sure if there are.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 12, 2009, 03:48:46 PM
i havent seen of her wedding, just of her engagement
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 13, 2009, 12:08:38 PM
What sad!!! Have you ever read something about her wedding, or her wedding dress??
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marc on November 16, 2009, 04:28:45 PM
One of her sons:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Windisch-Graetz.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 18, 2009, 02:42:32 PM
What was his name??? of the man of the photo below
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 18, 2009, 03:56:37 PM
Lets see.. Erzsi had 4 kids, 3 boys and one girl.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/29uvps3.jpg)

Judging his appearance it might be her eldest son, Franz Joseph

Another pic of the kids

(http://i49.tinypic.com/aut7pe.jpg)

Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marc on November 19, 2009, 04:36:22 AM
What was his name??? of the man of the photo below

Don't know :( just know it's one of her sons...
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 19, 2009, 03:27:53 PM
Here another of Both riding, but im not sure it its from the same session

(http://i45.tinypic.com/27xjjm.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 19, 2009, 07:26:35 PM
Beuatiful ones!!! I would like to know if she inherited of her grandma Sissi the hability of
being sooo good at ridding horses?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 20, 2009, 05:57:57 AM
Beuatiful ones!!! I would like to know if she inherited of her grandma Sissi the hability of
being sooo good at ridding horses?

I guess she was good at riding horses. But her favourite animals were dogs. When she was an old woman she had two or three sheepdogs she loved very much. After her death the dogs were shot - because Elisabeth didn't want them to live without her. Well ...
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 20, 2009, 09:53:52 AM
I guess she was good at riding horses. But her favourite animals were dogs. When she was an old woman she had two or three sheepdogs she loved very much. After her death the dogs were shot - because Elisabeth didn't want them to live without her. Well ...

Poor of her dogs!!! Strange way of think!!!
Thanks for the info!!! ;-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on December 05, 2009, 12:13:23 PM
Elisabeth Marie in a beautiful dress :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/erzi.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 05, 2009, 12:14:35 PM
beautiful and new. Thanks so much!

Beautiful close up

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2ijhiyf.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on December 05, 2009, 12:25:13 PM
Elisabeth Marie was undoubtedly one of the most beautiful Princesses in Europe. When he thought of marrying the future King of Belgium Albert I at first thought to Isabelle d'Orléans, then Erzi. If the marriage had been concluded, I do not know if Mary Elizabeth had made a good Queen of the Belgians.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 05, 2009, 05:07:16 PM
What beautiful pics about Erzsi, new for me both!!!
She was a very beautiful young lady (at difference of her mama) and also was elegant.
I really doubt that she would be a good queen
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on December 06, 2009, 12:32:42 AM
Is there anywhere to find her bipgraphy in english?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: newfan on December 06, 2009, 03:36:13 AM
I think there is only german bio
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on December 06, 2009, 11:33:37 AM
Pity, I would have loved to read more about her.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 06, 2009, 12:35:59 PM
You welcome! 

Two wonderful new ones.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/qqzhc2.jpg)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2q1b2a9.jpg)



Since i found also a close up of both cut in half i suspect those pictures are from the ONB, so credits for them.


Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 12, 2009, 04:20:30 PM
Lovely pair of photos of young Erzsi, she was really beautiful and elegant!!!!
Were her eyes blue?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on December 12, 2009, 10:20:00 PM
Even thought her parents were average looking, she was quite a pretty lady.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on December 13, 2009, 05:37:51 AM
WOH !!! Beautiful photos of Erzi, totally new to me, thank you !!! What a lovely woman she was really, surely one of the most attractive of the Habsburg family ! Note a certain resemblance to her cousin Elizabeth of Belgium.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 18, 2009, 05:10:26 PM
Even thought her parents were average looking, she was quite a pretty lady.
yes, that's true... her mother wasn't pretty and his father wasn't very handsome... where did she inherited
this beautiful look?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2009, 12:29:09 PM
Detail of a family portrait wich shows little Erszi and her mother, i'm sure that this portrait of them
is based on a photo.

(http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Erzsimom.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 29, 2009, 12:30:33 PM
i cant see it =(
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2009, 12:32:10 PM
Don't you still see it??
Here is the link...
http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Erzsimom.jpg (http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Erzsimom.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 29, 2009, 12:35:14 PM
now i can see it. I dont know since yesterday im having problems to watch some Photobucket and tinypic`s pictures :-S

And yes, the portrait was based in this picture

(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6840/erzsiwithhermother.jpg) (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/erzsiwithhermother.jpg/)(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/erzsiwithhermother.jpg/1/w584.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img694/erzsiwithhermother.jpg/1/)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2009, 12:40:57 PM
Indeed true!!! i was thinking in the same photo than you!!!
I hope that your problems with photobucket can finish soon ;-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 29, 2009, 12:42:57 PM
Photobucket is a real pain in the butt. I rather use imageshack or tinypic =(
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2009, 12:46:11 PM
Sadly I agree totally with you, I had some problems at posting yesterday and still today too :'-(
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2009, 01:16:50 PM
How was the relationship between Erszi and her mother before the second  marriage of the Archduchess
Stephanie?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on January 06, 2010, 11:31:40 AM
Beautiful Erzi :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/erz.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/sdf.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/cxv.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 06, 2010, 11:46:30 AM
I'm sure that this is inspired on the other:
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/erz.jpg)

Elisabeth Marie in a beautiful dress :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/erzi.jpg)

Wonderful portraits!!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on January 06, 2010, 11:55:00 AM
yes, the same session but in different poses.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 06, 2010, 12:16:18 PM
In that photo I remind the face of her mother but more beautiful
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Axel-Sacha on January 12, 2010, 09:37:30 AM
Hello Everybody.

As I discovered, by chance,  few months ago I'm a "non official" son of Karl-Axel Björklund (the seconde husband) , I can help you about pictures and information relied to Princess Windish-Graetz. (died in 2005 in Brussels). For your information, I'm Belgian born and can access now to a lot of documents concerning this hidden part of my family.
Axel-Sacha Timmermans
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marc on January 12, 2010, 09:46:20 PM
It would be great to see some new interesting pictures for a start ;)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on January 24, 2010, 05:30:13 AM
Elisabeth Marie from childhood to adulthood :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/ervl.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/zert.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/erzistef.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/kze.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/inlic.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/oh.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/stzefer.jpg)

I also found that Erzi inherited certain features from her mother.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 24, 2010, 11:07:16 AM
Yes, Erzsi was a prettier verison of her mother.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 25, 2010, 12:21:12 PM
Yes, perhaps the nose, the eyes and the color of the hair, but more beautiful
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 27, 2010, 12:31:09 PM
I don't rememeber to see this posted before, here is it. Erzsi and her daughter Stephanie
(http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/ErzsiStephanie.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 27, 2010, 12:36:53 PM
not that i remember. Stephanie was beautiful and the only brunette of the kids

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2cdy079.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 27, 2010, 12:40:28 PM
She was as beautiful as her mother, but as you said a brunette verssion of her beauty :-D
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 27, 2010, 12:43:49 PM
I dont think that Stephanie looks that much like her, but indeed she inheredit the dark genes of her maternal side.

The boys looked more like her

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2hmmrux.jpg)



Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 27, 2010, 12:52:37 PM
I was reffering that she inherited her beauty but her brothers resemble their mother more then she.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 27, 2010, 12:59:22 PM
Yes, the genes of her maternal`s side.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 27, 2010, 01:37:14 PM
I agree totally with you
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on January 31, 2010, 09:21:29 AM
Prinz Ernst Weriand of Windish Graetz :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogs/prinzernstweriandwindishgraetz.jpg)

Rudi, Franz Josef and Ernst Weriand of Windish Graetz :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogs/rudiernstfranzjosefwindishgraetz.jpg)

Prince Rudi :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogs/rudiwg.jpg)

Prinzessin Stefanie :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogs/asqx.jpg)

The four Children : Stefanie, Franz Josef, Ernst and Rudi :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogs/steffranzjosefernstrudi.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Rani on January 31, 2010, 10:00:21 AM
It's a great pity, that women were just Queens, if there is no boy for the crown. Elisabeth had a strong character. Maybe she had been a good Empress.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on January 31, 2010, 10:20:10 AM
It's a great pity, that women were just Queens, if there is no boy for the crown. Elisabeth had a strong character. Maybe she had been a good Empress.

I think she was too eccentric to be a good Empress. A sovereign should primarily comply with the duty and reason of state. I do not think that Erzi could have sacrificed everything in her personal interest due to the state. Her first marriage she imposed to  Franz Josef by waiving the rules of the Habsburgs is proof.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 02, 2010, 08:01:31 AM
Erszi had very beautiful children :-D
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Countess Adrienn Bellér on February 08, 2010, 11:17:03 AM
"Erzsi" (this is the hugarian nickname of Elizabeth) was the favourite granddaughter of FJ and Sissi ^^

She was born in 2.september 1883 in Laxenburg ^^

Sissi hated her mother Stephani...often called her "elephant" :D

She hadnt have sibling because her father caused effete to her mother, because he had lot of whincester gooses:S

After Rudolf death FJ ad Sissi raise her ...because of that she was spoilt and kinky ˇˇ

Think...she was beautiful...^^

Some pics (hope the link is good ˇˇ)

http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Erzsibeth_2.jpg&filetimestamp=20061110145146
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Erzsibeth.jpg&filetimestamp=20061110143500
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Elisabeth_Marie_Austria_01.jpg&filetimestamp=20061224001334
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Elisabeth_Marie_Austra_03.jpg&filetimestamp=20061224001230
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 08, 2010, 12:04:07 PM
"Erzsi" (this is the hugarian nickname of Elizabeth) was the favourite granddaughter of FJ and Sissi ^^

She was born in 2.september 1883 in Laxenburg ^^

Sissi hated her mother Stephani...often called her "elephant" :D

She hadnt have sibling because her father caused effete to her mother, because he had lot of whincester gooses:S

After Rudolf death FJ ad Sissi raise her ...because of that she was spoilt and kinky ??

Think...she was beautiful...^^

Some pics (hope the link is good ??)

http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Erzsibeth_2.jpg&filetimestamp=20061110145146
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Erzsibeth.jpg&filetimestamp=20061110143500
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Elisabeth_Marie_Austria_01.jpg&filetimestamp=20061224001334
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Elisabeth_Marie_Austra_03.jpg&filetimestamp=20061224001230

Please have a look at the previous pages before posting information and pictures which had been shared before. Thanks.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 08, 2010, 12:29:04 PM
And is it true that Erszi was the favorite granddaughter of empress Sissi?, really I don't think so.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Countess Adrienn Bellér on February 08, 2010, 12:58:48 PM
Erzsi...not Erszi...and yes...she was her favourite...why dot you think so?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 08, 2010, 01:04:12 PM
Yes, sorry i usually write it wrong. why? well, FJ adored her more than his other granddaughters, but about
Sissi I don't know, she wasn't close to any of her grandchildren and I've never heard that she preffered her
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 08, 2010, 01:59:00 PM
Elisabeth Marie was definitely Franz Joseph's favourite granddaughter, but I have never read anything about her being Elisabeth's favourite one. In fact Elisabeth didn't like to be a grandmother and I don't think that she was very close to any of her grandchildren. Maybe Elisabeth Marie was the grandchild Elisabeth had most contact with as Elisabeth Marie also lived in Vienna - but as we all know, the Empress prefered to stay away from the court, especially in her later years. But it is possible that Elisabeth liked Elisabeth Marie because she was the only child of Rudolf.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 08, 2010, 02:22:19 PM
But Sissi hadn't really a closer and warmer relationship with Erzsi, just that was living near to her
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on February 08, 2010, 02:46:42 PM
Elisabeth Marie sitting  :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/elmarie.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 08, 2010, 03:14:43 PM
This is a very beautiful photo KalandZita, she is wearing a very beautiful dress on it.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on February 10, 2010, 01:37:02 PM
Elisabeth Marie was definitely Franz Joseph's favourite granddaughter, but I have never read anything about her being Elisabeth's favourite one. In fact Elisabeth didn't like to be a grandmother and I don't think that she was very close to any of her grandchildren. Maybe Elisabeth Marie was the grandchild Elisabeth had most contact with as Elisabeth Marie also lived in Vienna - but as we all know, the Empress prefered to stay away from the court, especially in her later years. But it is possible that Elisabeth liked Elisabeth Marie because she was the only child of Rudolf.


i didnt see sissi liking the fact of being a grandmother myself. i mean, to be a grandmother, it makes one feel, well old...i dont think sissi would have liked that feeling.  :-\
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 10, 2010, 04:17:31 PM
Elisabeth Marie was definitely Franz Joseph's favourite granddaughter, but I have never read anything about her being Elisabeth's favourite one. In fact Elisabeth didn't like to be a grandmother and I don't think that she was very close to any of her grandchildren. Maybe Elisabeth Marie was the grandchild Elisabeth had most contact with as Elisabeth Marie also lived in Vienna - but as we all know, the Empress prefered to stay away from the court, especially in her later years. But it is possible that Elisabeth liked Elisabeth Marie because she was the only child of Rudolf.

i didnt see sissi liking the fact of being a grandmother myself. i mean, to be a grandmother, it makes one feel, well old...i dont think sissi would have liked that feeling.  :-\

That's what I wrote.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on February 11, 2010, 12:42:08 AM
opps sorry! i must have skimmed over that part! my bad!
So...i just wonder...did she withdraw from her grandchildren...or was more like a cold uptight grandmother....does anyone know?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Svetabel on February 11, 2010, 01:21:44 AM
opps sorry! i must have skimmed over that part! my bad!
So...i just wonder...did she withdraw from her grandchildren...or was more like a cold uptight grandmother....does anyone know?

If you ask about the all her grandchildren - ask at the proper thread about Empress Elisabeth. Also this question had been discussed many times.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on April 17, 2010, 08:15:48 AM
Furstin Elisabeth Marie zu Windish Graetz :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_460542era.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=460542era.jpg)

Otto, erzi and their first childs :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_716382erziottokindern.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=716382erziottokindern.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on April 21, 2010, 03:15:00 PM
(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/891214erzikindern.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=891214erzikindern.jpg)
Erzi and her sons
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 29, 2010, 03:47:55 PM
Saved from a czech blog, with her daughter Stephanie, I hope it isn't repeated...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErsziBaby.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 30, 2010, 06:55:10 AM
An old Erzi and a dog and the windisch graetz mansion. Courtesy of Erzsi82 from italian sissi`s boards.

(http://i39.tinypic.com/291hq2o.jpg)


Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 30, 2010, 12:17:03 PM
Totally unkwnown for me, I wonder how old was on this photo
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: newfan on April 30, 2010, 02:11:25 PM
Saved from a czech blog, with her daughter Stephanie, I hope it isn't repeated...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErsziBaby.jpg)
Hi what "czech blog?
thanks
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 30, 2010, 02:49:16 PM
One named erzsebet-kiralyne blog. ;-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 01, 2010, 02:30:48 AM
An old Erzi and a dog and the windisch graetz mansion. Courtesy of Erzsi82 from italian sissi`s boards.

Villa Windisch-Graetz (Linzerstr. 452, Wien-Hütteldorf), where Elisabeth Marie died in 1963, still exists. It's a wonderful, huge white building which is surrounded by an extended garden. Unfortunately I was only able to see the front of the villa, because there are high fences everywhere.

Today Villa Windisch-Graetz accommodates the "Bildungszentrum der Bank Austria" (some kind of educational center owned by the Austrian bank). The garden as it is shown in the picture doesn't exist anymore either, because the city of Vienna built there council houses in 1967 - only four years after poor Erzsi's death, who loved the garden so much!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on May 02, 2010, 12:01:11 PM
(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/322139zesdf.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=322139zesdf.jpg)

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/41193erzistefany.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=41193erzistefany.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 03, 2010, 09:51:46 AM
Thanks for posting the one of Erszi and Stephanie, I've only seen one detail of it... her sons were so blond ;-) Stephanie surely looks more than her dad
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 03, 2010, 09:57:08 AM
her dad was also blonde.

(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/777/img0005hvw.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 03, 2010, 09:59:16 AM
Yes, you¡re right, he looks even blonder than Erszi. She inherited that of grandparents
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: newfan on May 03, 2010, 11:11:15 AM
One named erzsebet-kiralyne blog. ;-)
That's Hungarian
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 03, 2010, 03:12:19 PM
I saw that all is written in czech, but really I don't know
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: newfan on May 03, 2010, 10:19:15 PM
would you have the link for it?
Thank you
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 04, 2010, 07:04:23 AM
Here you are:
http://erzsebet-kiralyne.blog.cz/ (http://erzsebet-kiralyne.blog.cz/)
;-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: newfan on May 04, 2010, 01:18:09 PM
Thank you...it is in Czech so strange that the link is Hungarian
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 04, 2010, 05:04:58 PM
Here you are:
http://erzsebet-kiralyne.blog.cz/ (http://erzsebet-kiralyne.blog.cz/)
;-)

... and once again a person used those rare ONB-photos without giving the source. That's so annoying!! People - including myself - bought those photos and now they have to see them somewhere around the internet. I hate that!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Svetabel on May 04, 2010, 11:33:19 PM
Here you are:
http://erzsebet-kiralyne.blog.cz/ (http://erzsebet-kiralyne.blog.cz/)
;-)

... and once again a person used those rare ONB-photos without giving the source. That's so annoying!! People - including myself - bought those photos and now they have to see them somewhere around the internet. I hate that!!

The author of that blog fished the pictures all over the Internet and different Forums. And moreover cropped the ONB images...disgusting.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 05, 2010, 07:24:32 AM
yup! there s one of Maria Theresia and Karl Ludwig posted by me with a huge watermark here. So the owner of that blog is among us
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on May 16, 2010, 02:21:42 PM
Erzi with her children :

(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1537/fwgac.jpg) (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/fwgac.jpg/)

Two of her sons :

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8643/ernstwindishgraetz.jpg) (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/ernstwindishgraetz.jpg/)
Ernst

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7822/franzjosefwgratez.jpg) (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/franzjosefwgratez.jpg/)
and Franz Josef
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 24, 2010, 02:10:27 PM
Elisabeth

(http://i47.tinypic.com/idb2b7.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 24, 2010, 03:42:05 PM
She looks a bit like her mother, the Crown Princess Stephanie (very young, of course) on this photo. New For me
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 09, 2010, 02:41:16 PM
:

 http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogs/prinzernstweriandwindishgraetz.jpg

 

Much bigger

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2d1a9vs.jpg)

http://i50.tinypic.com/2d1a9vs.jpg
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on June 13, 2010, 11:04:06 AM
Elisabeth Marie with her son Ernst :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/910055elisabethmarieernst.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=910055elisabethmarieernst.jpg)

Another of her children, franz joseph :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/291710franzjosefwindishgraetz.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=291710franzjosefwindishgraetz.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 14, 2010, 08:04:14 AM
Same one of above but in hi-res

http://i50.tinypic.com/34edtfr.jpg

Stephanie in her wedding day with the count Pierre`D`Alcantara

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2i8cc5e.jpg)


(http://i48.tinypic.com/jhqz52.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 14, 2010, 02:27:49 PM
Where was her husband from? His surname sounds spanish
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 15, 2010, 08:06:22 AM
He was from Belgium. He died in a concentration camp in 1944
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 15, 2010, 02:52:24 PM
Thanks for the info Katenka! (only one question... hope not to get much out of topic, but why did he had this death?)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 15, 2010, 03:05:39 PM
He was part of the Belgium resistance (or whatever this is spelled) that s why he was sent to a concentration camp
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 15, 2010, 03:30:17 PM
Now i see, how sad end!!! Thanks for the information :-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 23, 2010, 03:02:58 PM
With grandparents
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/FJSissiErszi.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on July 12, 2010, 04:22:34 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/ERZELISA.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: THERRY on July 13, 2010, 03:12:42 AM
A splendid new one of a splendid woman !
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 26, 2010, 08:18:23 AM
Here another image of Elisabeth`s daughter, Stephanie , the day of her wedding


(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9458/stehwg.jpg) (http://img818.imageshack.us/i/stehwg.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Pezzazz on September 26, 2010, 02:37:38 PM
Another beautiful photo Katenka -- Thanks!

Here's a bit of info on "Erzsi" I ran across.   Apparently she had quite a temper:

Quote
His granddaughter has lately married the Prince Windischgratz ; she was the only daughter of the late Crown Prince Rudolph. The marriage was a love match, but when they had been married only about one year they quarrelled on account of an actress at Prague, who was fired at by the Princess. The actress has since died of the wound. The Emperor, in consequence of this event, did not attend the baptism of the son of the Archduchess Princess Windischgratz. The whole affair caused a painful sensation at the Court in Vienna, though it has been hushed up as most events of the kind are.

From Society recollections in Paris and Vienna, 1879-1904
 By George Greville Moore
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Svetabel on September 26, 2010, 11:13:26 PM
Another beautiful photo Katenka -- Thanks!

Here's a bit of info on "Erzsi" I ran across.   Apparently she had quite a temper:

Quote
His granddaughter has lately married the Prince Windischgratz ; she was the only daughter of the late Crown Prince Rudolph. The marriage was a love match, but when they had been married only about one year they quarrelled on account of an actress at Prague, who was fired at by the Princess. The actress has since died of the wound. The Emperor, in consequence of this event, did not attend the baptism of the son of the Archduchess Princess Windischgratz. The whole affair caused a painful sensation at the Court in Vienna, though it has been hushed up as most events of the kind are.

From Society recollections in Paris and Vienna, 1879-1904
 By George Greville Moore

According to recent bios on Elisabeth the match was not a love one from the Otto's side. It was Elisabeth who fell in love and the Emperor ordered Otto marry her, but he loved other woman. That's why their marriage was a disaster from the very beginning.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: heavensent on September 29, 2010, 02:29:27 PM
Little  Erzsi....  in   1887... gorgeous or wot ?

( Rudolf and Steph's  only child )

(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6691/sonlychild.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sonlychild.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Eric VdV on October 01, 2010, 12:10:39 PM
Photos I have taken in Vienna-Hütteldorf from the villa Windisch-Graetz, home of Archduchess Elisabeth of Austria, only daughter of Crown Prince Rudolf of Austria and of Princess Stéphanie of Belgium.
The archduchess bought the villa in 1929 after her divorce from Prince Otto zu Windisch-Graetz and lived here together with her second husband Leopold Petzek. Finally Archduchess Elisabeth died here in March 1963 and she was buried together with her second husband in a very humble and nameless grave at the local cemetery of Hütteldorf nearby, which were her last wishes.
The villa is since 1995 in the possession of the international (Buddhist) community Soka Gakkai International.

Many years ago there was an exhibition on Archduchess Elisabeth and the pictures were still there.


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1124.jpg)
Front façade of Villa Windisch-Graetz


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1125.jpg)
Old staff house


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1129.jpg)
Staff house and entrance to the villa


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1130.jpg)
Front door of the staff house


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1131.jpg)
Back of the villa

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1132.jpg)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1133.jpg)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1134.jpg)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1136.jpg)


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1141.jpg)
Pictures on the life of Archduchess Elisabeth from the old exhibition

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1142.jpg)


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1144.jpg)
Her death mask


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1145.jpg)
Picture from how it was when Archduchess Elisabeth lived there. Belonings are now in museums, mainly in the Hofmobiliendepot in Vienna, and this against the wishes of her children, who wanted to inherit items


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1146.jpg)
Library with original furniture of the archduchess


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1148.jpg)
The staircase

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1150.jpg)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1152.jpg)


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1154.jpg)
Drawing-room


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1155.jpg)
Staircase with an original carpet hanging against the wall

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1156.jpg)


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1161.jpg)
Nameless grave of Archduchess Elisabeth of Austria and her second husband Leopold Petznek

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/EricVdV2006/Windisch%20Graetz/DSC_1162.jpg)


Eric VdV
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Rani on October 01, 2010, 12:13:49 PM
Great photos Eric!! Thanks!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 01, 2010, 12:15:10 PM
Thanks Eric!!

(Tho i had several problems trying to watch the pictures...i have a low speed connection of inet )
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 08, 2010, 03:06:22 PM
Wow! Stephanie's dress id simply fascinating :-0
Old newspaper showing an illustration about Erzsi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/erszinewspaper.jpg)
Medal with the image of Erzsi and her first husband (surely to commemorate their wedding)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/coinerszi.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 09, 2010, 05:21:53 PM
Another image of Stephanie `s wedding

(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9577/19092005stephaniewindis.jpg) (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/19092005stephaniewindis.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on October 10, 2010, 11:44:43 AM
Erzi in her old age :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/376769erzi.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=376769erzi.jpg)

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/937812erzhelisabeth.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=937812erzhelisabeth.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 10, 2010, 11:48:52 AM
What a greatimage of old Erzi!. Thank you!!

Here s one of the best images of Grown up Stephanie i ve seen. Its from her engagement session

(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9577/19092005stephaniewindis.jpg) (http://img301.imageshack.us/i/19092005stephaniewindis.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: newfan on October 11, 2010, 10:39:18 PM
Thank you for the pics!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 14, 2010, 02:25:48 PM
Famous painting by Koppay
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/ersziwindiszt.jpg)
Bigger?
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/siterzsi.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 19, 2010, 07:43:37 AM
Young Erzsi

(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5997/xdr7r8578.jpg) (http://img522.imageshack.us/i/xdr7r8578.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: THERRY on October 20, 2010, 02:41:05 AM
Wonderful new one !!!!!!!!  Is she in Schonbrunn ?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 20, 2010, 05:27:23 AM
No idea, but its from the photoshoot with Otto, little Franz Josef and newly born Ernst

Here another

(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/450/tgujft7.jpg) (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/tgujft7.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 20, 2010, 12:19:27 PM
Fascinating pics Katenka!!! :-0
One of my favorite photoshoots or Erzsi
Erzsi and her son (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2671/3989786492_2d64ccaf14_z.jpg?zz=1)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on November 14, 2010, 09:35:12 AM
Erzi and Otto :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/154012erziottojpg.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=154012erziottojpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Pezzazz on November 14, 2010, 10:15:41 AM
Here's a lovely photo of Erzi from "Recollections of a Royal Governess".   Notice how Erzi had the slightly asymmetrical eyes of her father.  

(http://oi55.tinypic.com/2n0lhjc.jpg)

According to the governess, the Empress had little love for Erzi.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 17, 2010, 01:50:56 PM
The photo with Otto posted by KarlandZita is from their engagement? Totally new for me, many thanks!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 18, 2010, 04:26:54 AM
Yes, its from the engagement session.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Pezzazz on December 08, 2010, 06:52:33 AM
Here's a photo of a granddaughter of Erzsi -- I'm not sure if it belongs in another thread but where?

(http://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/nr01/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/windisch.jpg)

http://tinyurl.com/2euyn8t

The daughter of Erzi's oldest son, Prince Franz Joseph zu Windisch-Grätz, Stéphanie Windisch-Graetz (b. 1939) is an international artist. In particular, her photographic portraits using only candles as a source of light and sensuality of her images from the animal world caught the attention of the international press.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 21, 2010, 01:28:30 PM
Engagement session
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/elisaotto1.jpg)
A close up
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/elisaotto.jpg)
Stephanie Windish-Graetz's marriage
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/stephwg.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 22, 2010, 01:27:17 PM
With baby Stephanie
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/erzsiste.jpg)
Three lovely kids: Ernst Weriand, Franz Joseph and Rudi
 (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/kids.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 22, 2010, 01:40:53 PM
Posted in my FB group of the habsburg by Barbara. Erzsi`s last image

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs105.snc4/35590_184748678207460_100000169876047_724558_418991_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 23, 2010, 02:13:09 PM
Form the dinastias forum, courtesy of Minnie
Wonderful photo or young Erzsi and her mama
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/ersziandmomma.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 10, 2011, 01:24:17 PM
CDV showing young Erszi
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/cdvelisabethmarie.jpg)
Engagement card
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/isabelyotto.jpg)

Any idea of what's written there??
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on January 10, 2011, 01:44:39 PM
Any idea of what's written there??

No idea, as I think it's in Hungarian! The printed text underneath the portraits is also in Hungarian.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 26, 2011, 01:18:14 PM
From erzsbet kiralyne
Young and beautiful Erzsi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/erszijoven1.jpg)

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/erszijoven.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 05, 2011, 09:03:33 AM
Now Erzsi from a chocolate card
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/Erszich.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Svetabel on March 14, 2011, 03:57:06 AM
(http://i38.tinypic.com/24n1js5.jpg)

Larger vesrion:

(http://i51.tinypic.com/fcv801.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 14, 2011, 01:27:28 PM
This is simply amazing. Do anyone know if there's a color verssion of it? and also about her famous portrait by Arpad Koppay, I've seen her mother's one (by Koppay) in color but never Elisabeth's.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on March 20, 2011, 01:26:22 PM
Elisabeth Marie, 1884 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/993845elisabethmarie1884.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=993845elisabethmarie1884.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 29, 2011, 03:06:06 PM
CDV showing a beautiful, elegant and young Erzsi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/Erzsi.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on April 30, 2011, 09:11:21 AM
Elisabeth and son Ernst Werian :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/945883annoshow.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=945883annoshow.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 03, 2011, 01:04:06 PM
Little girl with mama
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/MomaAndDaughter.jpg)
A beautiful young lady
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/ErzsiDeJoven.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 15, 2011, 04:29:10 PM
...edited
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 20, 2011, 01:18:47 PM
Erzsi still a girl with her mama
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/erszimamam.jpg)
From a hungarian site and belonging to the ONB
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2011, 01:20:26 PM
From a hungarian site. An active red archduchess, this must be from the 1920's... I haven't seen much of her at this time
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/erzsi.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2011, 02:17:33 PM
With her second husband
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/erzsiandleopold.jpg)
With two of her kids and more people
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/erszikids.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 28, 2011, 02:20:53 PM
Teen Erzsi

(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9695/uhouho.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/812/uhouho.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2011, 02:39:47 PM
Teen Erzsi

Beautiful new one!! Is this from the same session of the one of her mother that you posted on her thread (the last one)? I see the gowns  similar on both photos. Thanks for sharing!!  :)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 30, 2011, 01:16:40 PM
I didn't know that this photo had a fuller verssion, I'm very sorry for its bad quality. Expect to see a better verssion
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/erszimarie.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Princess of Cupertino on January 01, 2012, 04:13:50 PM
I've just visited Kaiservilla in Bad Ischl. It has quite a bit information on FJ's daughters but not much mentioning of Erzi. did she visit Ischl in the summer? Did she stay with the imperial family after her mother remarried? What was her relationship with her aunts?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 02, 2012, 12:44:27 PM
Finally a bigger and better verssion of the last one  :)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/erszi1def.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: erzsi on January 03, 2012, 05:19:15 PM
I've just visited Kaiservilla in Bad Ischl. It has quite a bit information on FJ's daughters but not much mentioning of Erzi. did she visit Ischl in the summer? Did she stay with the imperial family after her mother remarried? What was her relationship with her aunts?

I know she visit Bad Iscl and the Kaiservilla often in the Summer during her Childhood.
After Stephanies Wedding and her own wedding she visit Bad Ischl in summer 1902 to celebrate the Birthday of FJ.
In later years she wasn´t often there and I think after the beginning of WWI and FJ death she never visit Bad Ischl again.

The first years after her wedding Erzsi visit her Grandfather very often and lives a couple of weeks in Schönbrunn (1906) and visit many Balls of Members of the Imperial Family.

Erzsi had a close relationship to her Aunt Marie Valerie, Erzsi visit Marie Valerie after the death of Empress Elisabeth in 1898 in Wallsee togehther with Stephanie. But Valerie wasn´t really happy about this visit,she wrote it in her Diary: "Zu unseren geringeren Freude kommen auch Stephanie und Erzsi hierher..."  -To our lower Joy, Stepahnie and Erzsi are coming to us (I don´t know if it´s the correct translation). I think she wrote it, because she dislike Stephanie.

To her Aunt Gisela of Bavaria Erzsi didn´t had a close relationship because Gisela lives in Munich and Erzsi visit her not often.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marc on January 20, 2012, 10:34:59 AM
Elisabeth's great-grandson Maximilian von Attems-Gilleis has just married Countess Sophie von Walderdorff,also a descendant of many noble families including Habsburgs...
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 01, 2012, 12:25:17 PM
Framed portrait of little Erzsi, sorry for the quality
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/erzsi.jpg)
Source: erzsebetkiralyne
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 02, 2012, 02:41:37 PM
I'd never think  that there were much photos of Erzsi's engagement, here's other a bit different.
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/egerzsi.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 06, 2012, 01:34:55 PM
Another engagement portrait
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/elisabethandhusband.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: José on March 23, 2012, 02:05:30 PM
One of her sons:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Windisch-Graetz.jpg (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Windisch-Graetz.jpg)

Assuming this is really Franz Josef does someone have a picture of his wife Ghislaine d'Arschot Schoonhoven  ?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marie Valerie on July 09, 2012, 09:26:27 AM
Is there still no Photo of Ghislaine Windisch-Graetz?

Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: withanedge on August 11, 2012, 02:41:51 PM
Why isn't there any information out about Prince Otto. Never hear anything about him. Only about the Princess. Why?   ...and who was the girl that he was originally betrothed to?
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: withanedge on August 13, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
Why isn't there any information out about Prince Otto. Never hear anything about him. Only about the Princess. Why?   ...and who was the girl that he was originally betrothed to?

This question was merged with the Archduchess Elisabeth, "Erszi" which is typical of what most people would do. Prince Otto of Windisch-Graetz I'm sure got tired of being down played like this in real life after all being forced to marry her. Why the Emperor would force Prince Otto to marry her and then turn to Elisabeth and tell her she would never rise to her true position. Look at the Queen of England and her side kick. She still got to be Queen with Prince Philip beside her.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marc on August 14, 2012, 08:46:09 AM
Why isn't there any information out about Prince Otto. Never hear anything about him. Only about the Princess. Why?   ...and who was the girl that he was originally betrothed to?


Elisabeth and Otto met each other at a Court Ball...The rule was that a girl who belonged to an Imperial family had to ask first a man to dance and that such an invitation must be extended only once.But Archduchess Elisabeth smashed that rule by asking the Prince to dance with her 3 times...

The Prince was already betrothed to a Countess(one of the Schoenborn Countesses if I remember correctly),who was also present at the ball...When she saw what was happening she went home angry,but that did not disturb the young Archduchess who soon arranged to be married to a man she fell in love with...

That's the only thing I know about the girl who was betrothed to Otto...If anyone knows her identity for sure,please help ;) 
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: withanedge on August 14, 2012, 09:49:17 PM
Why isn't there any information out about Prince Otto. Never hear anything about him. Only about the Princess. Why?   ...and who was the girl that he was originally betrothed to?


Elisabeth and Otto met each other at a Court Ball...The rule was that a girl who belonged to an Imperial family had to ask first a man to dance and that such an invitation must be extended only once.But Archduchess Elisabeth smashed that rule by asking the Prince to dance with her 3 times...

The Prince was already betrothed to a Countess(one of the Schoenborn Countesses if I remember correctly),who was also present at the ball...When she saw what was happening she went home angry,but that did not disturb the young Archduchess who soon arranged to be married to a man she fell in love with...

That's the only thing I know about the girl who was betrothed to Otto...If anyone knows her identity for sure,please help ;) 
How did you come by this information? Please, Thank you.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marc on August 14, 2012, 11:51:50 PM
Why isn't there any information out about Prince Otto. Never hear anything about him. Only about the Princess. Why?   ...and who was the girl that he was originally betrothed to?


Elisabeth and Otto met each other at a Court Ball...The rule was that a girl who belonged to an Imperial family had to ask first a man to dance and that such an invitation must be extended only once.But Archduchess Elisabeth smashed that rule by asking the Prince to dance with her 3 times...

The Prince was already betrothed to a Countess(one of the Schoenborn Countesses if I remember correctly),who was also present at the ball...When she saw what was happening she went home angry,but that did not disturb the young Archduchess who soon arranged to be married to a man she fell in love with...

That's the only thing I know about the girl who was betrothed to Otto...If anyone knows her identity for sure,please help ;) 
How did you come by this information? Please, Thank you.

As there is lack of information I tried to google and found this article where it was mentioned:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1144&dat=19220122&id=7cYaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uEkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3313,2487709

Unfortunately they didn't mention the name of the Countess,but I think someone here said that it was a Countess von Schoenborn...if someone knows better please post :)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 05, 2012, 12:46:33 PM
Ridding with mama
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/momanddaughterridding.jpg)

Source: index.hu
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 14, 2012, 03:15:03 PM
Erzsi's childhood, late 1880's (http://www.f1online.de/de/bild-details/5414310.html), the woman walking behind the little carriage seems to be Stephanie, I wonder if the woman wearing a black dress -at the side of the carriage- is her grandma Sissi. The others must be servants and nannies.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on December 15, 2012, 07:31:58 AM
Erzi in 1913 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/156034elisamarie.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=156034elisamarie.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Apricot_Tree on January 05, 2013, 08:59:14 AM
Hi

I am new and it as my first message in this forum. I am interested in nobility of Habsburg monarchy.

This is the photo of Erzy on socialist perty meeting:

(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4529/110285030.4/0_4e594_f8719d6f_L.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Apricot_Tree on January 05, 2013, 09:09:31 AM
her youngest son Rudolf shortly before he had an motorcyle accident:
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4428/110285030.4/0_4e5a7_161bfd3b_L.jpg)

Rudolf`s funeral, his Nazi friends:
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4429/110285030.4/0_4e5a6_23a3dec2_XL.jpg)

Erzhy is on the bottom right corner (black hat with veil), beside her (bald head ) is  Leo Petznek


Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on January 19, 2013, 07:50:55 AM
Erzi and her sons :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/170658erziundihrensohnen.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=170658erziundihrensohnen.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on April 06, 2013, 08:07:34 AM
Hoping that not already posted,

Erzi and her mother Stephanie :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/174283erzistefie.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=174283erzistefie.jpg)

Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 09, 2013, 06:32:30 PM
New to me KarlandZita!! Thank you!! :-)

Not totally unknown but I haven't seen this in the thread....

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/DarlingCharlotte/AmazonErzsi_zps921c0376.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 24, 2013, 12:01:09 PM
A bit etter verssion of the photo of Reply #240. Engagement of Erzsi and Otto, enlarged and edited by me.

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingCharlotte/OttoErzsiengagementsession_zpsb575c482.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: KarlandZita on August 26, 2013, 04:39:20 PM
1901 :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/5466951901.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=5466951901.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: THERRY on September 06, 2013, 02:59:45 AM
(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8831/rs3m.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/rs3m.jpg/)

Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 26, 2013, 12:00:34 PM
Erzsi and Otto in horseback, credits on the image <Click on it for a slightly bigger view>

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/erzsiotto_zps99bb41e7.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/erzsiotto_zps99bb41e7.jpg.html)

Their daughter, Stephanie (at the time of her engagement or wedding, I think) Source: Royalty guide

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/Stephanie_zpsa590a409.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/Stephanie_zpsa590a409.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 26, 2013, 06:37:48 PM
Engagement, with Pierre de Alcantara d Querrieu. 1933

Here s the full image

http://carolathhabsburg.tumblr.com/post/65558506311/princess-stephanie-zu-windisch-graetz-and-fiance
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 21, 2014, 12:56:22 PM
Engagement, with Pierre de Alcantara d Querrieu. 1933
Here s the full image
Thank you very much!!! :-D

*****
From pinterest
The fullest verssion that I've seen of this photo, young archduchess Erzsi.

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingCharlotte/ElizaMarie_zps8783d862.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/DarlingCharlotte/ElizaMarie_zps8783d862.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: britt.25 on April 05, 2014, 03:32:43 PM
Interesting. It seems to be a french book. Does anyone know the title ?

Thank you !!

An old Erzi and a dog and the windisch graetz mansion. Courtesy of Erzsi82 from italian sissi`s boards.

(http://i39.tinypic.com/291hq2o.jpg)



Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: erzsi on April 05, 2014, 06:05:13 PM
It could be the french version of Ghislaine Windisch-Graetz Book "Kaiseradler und rote Nelke" (Imperial eagle and red pink).
The pictures are similar to the pics in my german Book.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Превед on April 05, 2014, 06:09:55 PM
Bibliographie sur Wikipedia:
Friedrich Weissensteiner, traduit par Marie Reygnier, L'Archiduchesse rouge: la vie tumultueuse d'Élisabeth-Marie d'Autriche, petite-fille de Sissi et fille de Rodolphe, Payot, Paris, 2010, 221 p.
Ghislaine de Windisch-Graetz, L'Archiduchesse rouge : la vie d'Elisabeth-Marie, orpheline de Mayerling : 1883-1963, éditions Duculot, coll. « Document Duculot », Paris et Louvain-la-Neuve, 1990, 347 p.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Maria Sisi on July 10, 2014, 03:12:38 PM
Sorry if this has already been addressed but in her will Elisabeth ordered that all of her dogs be put down  when she died so they didn't have to go to  other trainers. Was this actually done?

I can understand her wish that the heirlooms be given to the state and that the paintings and books be returned to their original places but the dog thing seems excessive and over the top.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 01, 2015, 12:49:43 PM
Young Erzsi and her mother, Crown Princess Stephanie, by Arpad Koppay (or at least is what the site says, although the style looks a bit strange to me): Click here!!! (http://www.artnet.com/artists/joszi-arpad-koppay/kronprinzessin-stephanie-mit-ihrer-tochter-4_L0VkhwioIbpotUg_CYBw2)

Here another painting of young Erzsi. <<Click on the image for bigger>>
Source and credits: wellcome-online.at (http://www.wellcome-online.at/de/artikel/KunstKultur/VonderLangenNachtbiszuRotenErzherzogin)

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/elizamarie_zpsqtipg1xb.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/elizamarie_zpsqtipg1xb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 30, 2015, 02:03:03 PM
Recently I found a quite nice surprise while checking some old newspapers online, at seeing one about the wedding of the Archduchess Erzsi's wedding to Otto Windisch-Gratz I found some photos of Erzsi's wedding trousseau!

Here the photos and the translations of the captions:

The wedding dress and other attire:

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErzsiMarie/erszidress_zpsmgho91n8.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/ErzsiMarie/erszidress_zpsmgho91n8.jpg.html)


Blouses:

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErzsiMarie/erzsi_zpsern46rsh.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/ErzsiMarie/erzsi_zpsern46rsh.jpg.html)


Archduchess Elisabeth's main trousseau. Photos by Karoly Scola.

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErzsiMarie/erzsi%20boda_zpsucvagqq9.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/ErzsiMarie/erzsi%20boda_zpsucvagqq9.jpg.html)

Taken from the Hungarian newspaper Vasárnapi Ujság (credits and thanks to epa.oszk.hu).
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 06, 2016, 01:55:43 PM
Baby Erzsi with her parents

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErzsiMarie/fannyrudierzsi_zps6syceqhi.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/ErzsiMarie/fannyrudierzsi_zps6syceqhi.jpg.html)

Credits: http://alzbeta-sisi.blog.cz/
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 07, 2016, 01:22:12 PM
The first time that I see Erzsi's portrait by Arpad Koppay in color. Unfortunately it is not the whole portrait but a large part of it!


(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/tumblr_kronprinzrudolf_zpsrc4umhge.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/tumblr_kronprinzrudolf_zpsrc4umhge.jpg.html)

Taken from kronprinzrudolf.tumblr
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marc on January 13, 2016, 05:57:09 AM
It is beautiful indeed...thank you for posting :)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 18, 2016, 07:08:11 PM
It is beautiful indeed...thank you for posting :)

You are very welcome!! After a long time without being lucky enough to see it in color I thought that this portrait was possibly lost (or even destroyed, as unfourtunately have happened in many other cases), but I'm glad to see that it still exists and hopefully someone of us can find the whole verssion soon. Beautiful colors!
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 28, 2016, 02:32:36 PM
A better quality photo of Erzsi's wedding gifts. According to the site, she received among all the jewelry, Empress Sissi's famous Edelweiss-Star diamond set (lower part at right) designed by  A. E. Köchert.

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErzsiMarie/Wedding_gift_Archduchess_Elisabeth_and_Prince_Otto_zu_Windisch-Graetz_zpsadxg5uk9.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/ErzsiMarie/Wedding_gift_Archduchess_Elisabeth_and_Prince_Otto_zu_Windisch-Graetz_zpsadxg5uk9.jpg.html)

Photo of the Archduchess and her husband from the Tacoma Times , 1904

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErzsiMarie/press1904_zps2yqddmj1.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/ErzsiMarie/press1904_zps2yqddmj1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 13, 2016, 03:46:01 PM
Taken at 1898

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/DarlingCharlotte/Erszi1898_zpsye9f2ssn.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/DarlingCharlotte/Erszi1898_zpsye9f2ssn.jpg.html)

Another

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/DarlingCharlotte/erzsi123_zpsas1jraxt.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/DarlingCharlotte/erzsi123_zpsas1jraxt.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 02, 2016, 01:03:40 PM
As a little girl with her mother:

>>The first two images come from kulturpool.at and the third from the ÖNB<<

At Laxenburg

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/kulturpool.at%201_zps2rgezdla.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/kulturpool.at%201_zps2rgezdla.jpg.html)


In front of her late father's bust

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/ONB_zpsmbjmtcye.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/ONB_zpsmbjmtcye.jpg.html)

After her father's death too

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/kulturpool.at_zpssc2381q2.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/kulturpool.at_zpssc2381q2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 25, 2017, 02:46:41 PM
Young and beautiful Erzsi (https://78.media.tumblr.com/a5197a3b92d7b66e0b97ffa432eff134/tumblr_oye8hn4z9V1v1oo6no1_540.jpg), credits to the ÖNB.
Title: Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
Post by: Marc on March 01, 2018, 12:32:25 PM
I always imagened Elisabeth as very solitary during her pre wedding years.

Did she have any friends in this period and if yes, who were they?