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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Habsburgs => Topic started by: synnadene on September 17, 2005, 02:01:42 AM

Title: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: synnadene on September 17, 2005, 02:01:42 AM

Elisabeth Wilhelmine, Princess of Württemberg
Maria Theresia, Princess of Bourbon-Sicilies
Maria Ludovica, Archduchess of Modena-Este
Karoline Auguste, Princess of Bavaria

Please post pics!!!
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Linnea on September 17, 2005, 04:39:49 AM
Elisabeth Wilhelmine (1767-1790)
(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/wurttemberg/wurttembergdukes2/1767%20Elisabeth%20Wilhelmine.jpg)
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Linnea on September 17, 2005, 04:42:45 AM
Maria Theresia (1772-1802)
(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/bourbon/bbsicilie1/1772%20M.Theresia.jpg)
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: synnadene on September 17, 2005, 05:44:40 AM

Thank you Linnea! The pics are very beautiful!
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: crazy_wing on September 17, 2005, 03:43:01 PM
Karoline Auguste actually married twice!  First to Wilhelm I of Württemberg and I think the divorced and of course second to Franz I.  

Originally, she was linked to Napoleon, whose stepson married Karoline's sister Auguste.  Auguste was beautiful and Napoleon expected Karoline to be pretty too but he was disappointed by her looks.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 17, 2005, 04:38:56 PM
Linnea,

where did you find this picture of Maria Ludovica? I have a book called "Eine Habsburgerin für Napoléon" by Irmgard Schiel - a biography of Marie Louise (=Maria Ludovica), Franz' daughter and Napoléon's second wife. The pic you were showing is on the title page of that book. It is supposed to show Marie Louise. Strange.

Best wishes, Marie
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: synnadene on September 18, 2005, 03:54:45 AM

Maria Ludovica

(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/courlande/img/imperatrice2.jpg)
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: synnadene on November 06, 2005, 09:43:11 AM

Maria Ludovica

(http://rzbs4.bibliothek.uni-regensburg.de/portrait/images/1024x768/pos/gf/0105.jpg)
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Marie Valerie on April 17, 2006, 07:31:34 AM
Are there anymore pics of Empress Charlotte Auguste?
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 17, 2006, 11:50:23 AM
I once wrote an article for Royalty Digest about Karoline Auguste. She had a very interesting life indeed !  :D
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Yseult on April 18, 2006, 07:11:56 AM
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I once wrote an article for Royalty Digest about Karoline Auguste. She had a very interesting life indeed !  :D

Mnnnn...I´m waiting for more info  :P
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 18, 2006, 11:56:44 AM
I can sent you a fax copy of my article if you like. my scanner does not work... :(
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: thijs on May 20, 2006, 11:24:13 AM
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Elisabeth Wilhelmine, Princess of Württemberg
Maria Theresia, Princess of Bourbon-Sicilies
Maria Ludovica, Archduchess of Modena-Este
Karoline Auguste, Princess of Bavaria

Please post pics!!!

Question: is this Elisabeth Wilhelmine Luise von Wurttemberg, first wife of emperor Francis ll/l?

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/henrylooking123/LampiGiovanniBattistaprinseselisabe.jpg)

Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 20, 2006, 12:27:45 PM
It's Elisabeth Wilhelmine. The picture was painted by Johann Baptist Lampi in 1785.

Elisabeth was brought to Vienna in 1782. She was educated in a monastery founded by Empress Amalie Wilhelmine. In 1788 Archduke Maximilian Franz, the youngest son of Maria Theresia, made the marriage ceremony for Elisabeth and Franz.

Emperor Joseph II. loved Elisabeth a lot. When he was told that Elisabeth had died after she had given birth to her daughter Louise Elisabeth Franziska, he was devastated. Joseph, who was seriously ill, died two days after his beloved Elisabeth.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 20, 2006, 08:24:40 PM
Sad and very touching... :'(

Wonder where that portrait is right now ? Can you tell me ?
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 21, 2006, 05:05:10 AM
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Sad and very touching... :'(

Wonder where that portrait is right now ? Can you tell me ?

Kunsthistorisches Museum / Vienna
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 21, 2006, 06:34:54 AM
Really ? I have been there a few times but never saw that one...maybe its in storage. :(
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 21, 2006, 08:48:43 AM
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Really ? I have been there a few times but never saw that one...maybe its in storage. :(

I found this painting of Elisabeth Wilhelmine in one of my books. There the author says that the painting is located in the Kunsthistorische Museum in Vienna. I've been there, too, but I haven't seen it either. I think there are many paintings in this museum you actually can't see. So I guess, it really is in storage.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 21, 2006, 12:18:41 PM
Agreed...Museums do periodically change the exhibits. Like the time I went to the Prado in Spain and found some of the paintings had been switched. Another senario may be the painting was lent out... ;)
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Nathalie on June 10, 2006, 06:54:27 AM
What are those anecodtes concering Franz II's marriages? I have read about them, if i remember correctly in Castelot's biography about Napoleon I., that he kinda relates Marie Louise's sexual appetite to her father's and hints, that Franz II. basically "killed" these women with his..hmm..behaviour? Is it just an anecdote or were these women literally tired and died or what? :o
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 10, 2006, 10:31:54 AM
You mean sexed to death ? I think that was what they meant. Actually his first and third wife were quite sicklyto begin with . The second one (Princess Maria Theresa of Naples, Queen Maria Carolina's daughter) had too many children in quick succcession. I think she was exhaused by the contant labor. The last one (Princess Charlotte (later changed to Carolina Augusta) of Bavaria) was a fit woman who loved exerise and fresh air. It was natural that she should survive him for many years.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 10, 2006, 11:22:31 AM
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What are those anecodtes concering Franz II's marriages? I have read about them, if i remember correctly in Castelot's biography about Napoleon I., that he kinda relates Marie Louise's sexual appetite to her father's and hints, that Franz II. basically "killed" these women with his..hmm..behaviour? Is it just an anecdote or were these women literally tired and died or what? :o

First of all:  ;D ;D ;D

Elisabeth Wilhelmine died of smallpox some days after giving birth to her daughter Louise Elisabeth.
Marie Therese suffered from some illness and had a premature birth.
Maria Ludovica died of tuberculosis.
And Caroline Auguste died aged 81 - childless ... does this mean that Franz lost his "sexual appetite " within the years?  ;)
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Nathalie on June 10, 2006, 11:22:52 AM
somehow. This is what Castelot mentions in the connection of Maria Luise as well, who-he says-made Nipperg quite "weary" and in fact he was happy when his -prolonged- duty was "over", since he became exhausted from the "legendary Habsurbg lust"..woooh!
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 11, 2006, 03:02:27 AM
That is why I said Maria Ludovika was sickly and not of strong constitutusion. Maria Theresa  of Naples was a strong woman, but exhusted due to too many childbirths. The last one got away from that fate...
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: britt.25 on June 20, 2006, 02:01:05 AM
It looks very nice and shows how much family resemblence there always is, the mother of Franz II, who has also Habsburg ancestry looked a bit similar to and also a lot Clementine, the daughter of
Leopold II and sister of Franz.

Does anyone have this or a similar picture in colour? I only know that with the golden crown. There are also some others, but which makes me confused is that they are sometimes identified as Maria Therese and sometimes as her daughter Marie Louise...strange :-X
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 20, 2006, 10:42:14 AM
No...Her daughter did not have the Bourbon nose... ;)
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: britt.25 on June 20, 2006, 11:26:17 AM
Sorry I did not really understand...Which daughter did not have the Bourbon nose? ;D

I do not know, why they are so often confused:.. :-?
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: britt.25 on June 20, 2006, 11:39:24 AM
This portrait is really sometimes identified as Marie Louise and sometimes as her mother :o

I personally suppose, it´s rather Marie Louise than Maria Theresa...maybe a stupid question....but what do others think?



(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/17030130.jpg)

Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 20, 2006, 09:21:29 PM
Definitely Empress Marie Louise. She had similar years with her mother, but if you compare that with the portrait above. You can see that she those not have Maria Theresa's full bourbon nose and thick sensual lips (also a bourbon trait).  :)
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 21, 2006, 08:22:54 AM
I've never seen this painting before ...  :-?

Hmm, I don't think it's Empress Maria Theresia, but I don't see any resemblance between the lady on the pic and Marie Louise either ... Did Marie Louise have blue eyes?
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 21, 2006, 10:04:02 AM
Yes she does...Empress Marie Louise of France, daughter of Kaiserin Maria Threseia of Austria.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Sissi on June 21, 2006, 11:05:15 AM
Marie Louise eyes were blue, I had never seen this portrait before, yes it could be Marie Louise, but definetely not Marie Therese.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: britt.25 on June 21, 2006, 01:03:13 PM
I suppose it´s really marie Louise. There are portraits, where she looks different, but it depends also on the artists, I believe. This picture is also presented on the page of the Glauco Lombardi museum, which dedicated to Marie Louise of Parma and her descendants of the Albertine line, and they say that is her. On other pages there was sometimes said it´s her mother, but I don´t believe this. She really looks differently.

About the nose and the lips. I don´t think, that these features only come from the Bourbons, I think Leopold II., son of Maria Theresia had also a bit this appearance. I have different pictures, where he reminds me of this kind of nose and lips of his descendants!
But it´s not to forget that Franz Stephans mother was herself a Bourbon Princess, Charlotte of Orleans....
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 21, 2006, 02:12:13 PM
Yes...but Maria Theresa did look a bit like her father, King Ferdinand of Naples. The sensous lips, the eyes and the nose were his. Although it seems she had her mother, Queen Maria Carolina's colouring.  ;)
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: britt.25 on June 22, 2006, 11:19:01 AM
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Yes...but Maria Theresa did look a bit like her father, King Ferdinand of Naples. The sensous lips, the eyes and the nose were his. Although it seems she had her mother, Queen Maria Carolina's colouring.  ;)


Yes, you seem to be right, I have seen some pictures of Ferdinand now and he really has this typical face. Do you have any good and bigger portrait of him? All I saw were only very little and not so clear and that´s a pity...would be interested in any in bigger size and maybe coloured...but maybe this doesn´t fit anymore to this topic then.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 22, 2006, 04:47:30 PM
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I wonder where the last picture of Empress Caroline Augusta is from...Never saw this before.  :-?

It's from a book about the Kaisergruft by Hawlik-van the Water. Die kapuzinergruft contains so many nice portraits, but unfortunately they're only in black and white.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 22, 2006, 04:50:57 PM
Thank you so much for posting these wonderful portraits of Elisabeth Wilhelmine, synnadene!  ;)

I am especially glad to see the full and colour version of the second painting, because I only had this little detail which I've posted yesterday.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 22, 2006, 08:57:17 PM
It's from a book about the Kaisergruft by Hawlik-van the Water. Die kapuzinergruft contains so many nice portraits, but unfortunately they're only in black and white.
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Is this book still available in Austria, or out-of-print already ?
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 23, 2006, 03:08:54 AM
Oh, I think it's out of print ... I bought it in Vienna some years ago. But I think it's still available in Austrian bookstores and maybe you can find it somewhere on the internet ...
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: gogm on June 24, 2006, 12:35:58 PM
Those are wonderful pictures of Elisabeth Willhelmine! :D
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: synnadene on June 24, 2006, 12:54:59 PM

It's a pity that I no more find the website with those portraits.  :( I only remember, that she was identified as "Elisabetta Guglielmina di Wurttemberg", so it was probably an italian site.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Kaiserin Sissi on March 13, 2008, 11:23:51 AM
I'm searching pictures' and photos of the last wife Franz II and Sister of Archduchess Sophie: Caroline Augusta . Does anybody have photo of the " old" Empress. I've juste found picture of her but not photgraphie. I'm working on "all " the sisters of Archiduchess Sophie.
Can you hepl me, please.

Thanks by advance.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: José on March 13, 2008, 11:50:49 AM
3 different ones:

http://www.geneall.net/D/per_page.php?id=10434
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=pt;i=323528
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Augusta_of_Bavaria
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Lucien on March 14, 2008, 08:21:40 AM
http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/wittelsbach/bavariakings1/1792%20Karoline.jpg

Her tomb at the Franzengruft,Kapuzinergruft,Vienna.
http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-countries/austria/vienna/kapuzinergruft/61.JPG

Courtesy dear Mardam.
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Post by: Marc on March 16, 2008, 08:06:49 PM
I read somewhere that she had a very strange relationship with Archduchess Sophie...why?Does the thing that they were ''just'' half-sisters?
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Mari on March 17, 2008, 02:54:39 AM
Yes, She actually looked better than her Paintings as you can see in old Age....
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Post by: beladona on March 17, 2008, 03:33:51 AM
I think she was beautiful even in painting of her:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Karoline_Auguste_von_Bayern.jpg/493px-Karoline_Auguste_von_Bayern.jpg)
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Mari on March 17, 2008, 09:01:14 AM
Yes, She was!  :)
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Post by: Norbert on March 17, 2008, 02:46:29 PM
Sadly she was severely pock-marked which is not shown on this lovely print. Apparently her first love was for Duc D'Enghien but her father regarded him as too poor. Her first marriage  was arranged in haste  to avoid the ambitions of Napoleon and was never consummated. She was suggested as Empress by GD of Tuscany. Franz called her his " domestic pearl"  and she was a great patron of charity and a kind step mother.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Princess Susan on March 17, 2008, 04:54:49 PM
I read somewhere that she had a very strange relationship with Archduchess Sophie...why?Does the thing that they were ''just'' half-sisters?

I read, that their relationship had been strange particulary since FJ's accession to the trone. Sophie didn't want to be on second place and Caroline as a former Empress could endanger her position. She attempted to get her far from court to Salzburg. Then she lived in Salzburg almost till end of her live and came back only shortly before her death. But I don't know when exactly.
But seems it, that before their relationship was good. Caroline was adoring kind step mother and step grandmother.
I don't think, that reason of later complications was thing, that they were "just" half-sisters.

She looks indeed  pretty as a young woman and also in older age she has something nice in face.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: José on March 17, 2008, 05:01:52 PM
Sadly she was severely pock-marked which is not shown on this lovely print. Apparently her first love was for Duc D'Enghien but her father regarded him as too poor. Her first marriage  was arranged in haste  to avoid the ambitions of Napoleon and was never consummated. .


Where did you get this information ?
Her first husband was the king of Wurttemberg, who was a protestant.
Apparently for her father a good match was always a good match, regardless of the husband's religion - as in her sister Elisabeth wedding to the king of Prussia.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 12, 2008, 11:38:58 AM
The Empress Caroline Augusta looks beautiful to me, but back then a lot though she was ugly, whats with that story?
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 12, 2008, 04:18:25 PM
Yes she had a horrible life. I wrote about this fasinating woman in an article on Royalty Digest. The title was "The Regected Queen That Became an Empress".
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Post by: Yseult on October 12, 2008, 04:21:36 PM
Eric...why she had a horrible life? I always thought the only horrible thing in her life has been to be rejected for her first husband, who wanted to marry a russian grand duchess...
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2008, 11:23:28 AM
That was the worst of it. She and her youngest brother were the only one who got along with her stepmother (grandmother to Sisi and Franz Josef). She was torn her loyalty to her brother and stepmother and siblings. When she married the Crown Prince of Wurttemberg, he did not even touch her finger and banished her to another wing of the palace. After the annulment (they were never man & wife), she was persued by the aged Emperor of Austria (who made sure her health was good) and his cousin the Grand Duke of Tuscany. The Emperor won and she became his fourth wife with grown children (including Empress Marie Louise and future Empress of Brazil, Leopoldina). Carolina Augusta was childless. When her half sister Sophie married her stepson, she went out of her way to welcome her to Austria. However after Sophie's son became Emperor Franz Josef, her half sister turned on her and exiled her to Salzburg. She made a few bids to return to visit, but only rarely was she allowed to return to Vienna as Sophie do not want to be remionded that she was not Empress or the highest lady in Austria. Maybe nor a horrible lifem but definitely sad...
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 13, 2008, 06:48:04 PM
Poor Empress!

Sophie being a brat, not an Empress but an High ranking Archduchess! selfish! Apparently Sophie was not very nice lady and wanted to be the top dog! she was also nasty to her daughter-in-law Empress Elisabeth "Sisi" (Sisi, whom is not a nice woman herself!) but poor Caroline Augusta!  :(
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2008, 07:58:27 PM
Indeed ! In one book on Franz Josef it shows Sophie correcting his letter not to allow the Ex-Empress to come to Vienna. She missed her other step children badly.  :(

However she got along well with Sisi, and she was one of the young empress's staunch supporters.  :)
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Post by: Trianon on December 12, 2009, 10:47:16 AM
I know there's a long time left, but could someone please repost the pictures of Elisabeth Wilhelmine? She's one of my favourite Habsburgs and I could only found two pictures of her...
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Rani on February 19, 2010, 11:27:17 AM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/svm2du.jpg)

Very strange picture
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Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on February 19, 2010, 11:42:01 AM
Presumptively, a death-bed sketch of the Emperor Franz I.  I have not seen this before.    AP
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 19, 2010, 12:55:29 PM
Yes. Very rare. I have not seen it before as well.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Trianon on March 28, 2010, 06:03:21 AM
Found this wonderful portrait of Elisabeth von Württemberg by Johann-Baptist Lampi:

(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5846/johann1.jpg)

Shes looking so beautiful, love her dress and her smile totally
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 28, 2010, 04:52:48 PM
She did look wonderful. :-)
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Post by: Trianon on March 28, 2010, 05:06:02 PM
Yes its so sad that they didn't have a lot of time together and that she never became empress, I bet she would have been a good landsmother.
Did someone know a book where I can read more about her life? German would be good, but I'll take also an english one...
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 29, 2010, 05:13:55 AM
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5846/johann1.jpg)

Seems to be a idealized one.

Have we already talked about Elisabth's close relationship to Joseph II.?
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 29, 2010, 11:05:09 AM
I think so. When she died, Joseph II was more heartbroken than Franz II.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Rani on July 07, 2010, 08:56:27 AM
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/karoline-1.jpg)
Franz and Karoline
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 07, 2010, 12:09:26 PM
I wrote an article for the old RD in Ticehurst about Karoline.
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Post by: Hector on October 20, 2010, 01:46:36 PM
Read how Emperor Joseph II wanted to break the strong alliance between Catherine the Great with Prussia. That's why Grand Duke Paul and his wife's came to visit Vienna along with Princess Elisabeth of Württemberg  and Prince Ferdinand of Württemberg when Princess Elisabeth was brought to finish her education in Vienna as part of her betrothal to the Austrian Emperor's nephew and heir.

Recall that Grand Duke Paul's first wife was a sister of the wife of the heir to the Prussian throne and she was recommended by Frederick the Great to Catherine II so Emperor Joseph II was repeating that pattern with Grand Duke Pau's second wife.

Elisabeth also appears very briefly in a scene in the 1985 Academy Award Best Motion Picture winner, Amadeus (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086879). 
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 22, 2010, 05:47:36 PM
I think she died young.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Trianon on November 24, 2010, 01:45:43 PM
Paintings of Caroline Auguste:
(http://www.upload-your-life.com/files/dh7pv8ruap20ttw5hzmh.jpg)
around 1808

(http://www.upload-your-life.com/files/x72rku5ltjedm8zf3q27.jpg)
around 1818

(http://www.upload-your-life.com/files/x08u8ng638msbqzxfg9a.jpg)
The imperial family in 1826
from left: Caroline Auguste, Franz II./I., Duke of Reichstadt, Marie Louise, Sophie, Ferdinand, Franz Karl
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 28, 2010, 11:27:09 PM
I really think Caroline Auguste was pretty, maybe not for that time but by her portaits, i think shes lovely.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Trianon on December 02, 2010, 12:56:40 PM
I agree, she is pretty on her portraits, but I think that they aren't too realistic. She had the smallpocks and unfortunatley after she had pockmarks in her face. But I like her very much, I think she was the best choice as the Emperors wife. May she rest in peace...
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Post by: guinevere on December 08, 2010, 12:48:45 PM
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/karoline-1.jpg)
Franz and Karoline

... to me this looks like Ferdinand I of Austria ( the son of Franz I )  with his wife Anna of Sardinia... but of course I can be wrong ???
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Marc on August 16, 2012, 04:49:56 PM
Found this wonderful portrait of Elisabeth von Württemberg by Johann-Baptist Lampi:

(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5846/johann1.jpg)

Shes looking so beautiful, love her dress and her smile totally

Unfortunately,I must say that this portrait has been mislabeled...The person in the portrait is Elisabeth's sister Friederike,Duchess von Oldenburg.This same portrait can be found in many versions in Eutin Castle,once owned by Holstein-Gottorp(Oldenburg) family...
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 16, 2012, 06:40:35 PM
Maybe the sisters look alike ? The portrait of Queen Maria Sophia of Naples was always mislabed as her more famous sister Empress Elisabeth of Austria.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: CountessKate on August 17, 2012, 04:09:14 AM
Maybe the sisters look alike ? The portrait of Queen Maria Sophia of Naples was always mislabed as her more famous sister Empress Elisabeth of Austria.

The three Wurttemburg princesses did indeed appear to have similar features especially if you see the Lampi portraits:
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/cfarnon/German%20and%20Austrian%20courts/SophDoroW.jpg)

Sophia Marie Dorothea, Empress Maria Feodorovna of Russia

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/cfarnon/German%20and%20Austrian%20courts/elisabethofwurttemberg.jpg)

Friederike Elisabeth Amalie Auguste, Duchess of Oldenburg

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/cfarnon/German%20and%20Austrian%20courts/ElizWilhelmineWurtt.jpg)

Elisabeth Wilhelmine Luise, Archduchess of Austria


Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Marc on August 17, 2012, 04:18:05 AM
Maybe the sisters look alike ? The portrait of Queen Maria Sophia of Naples was always mislabed as her more famous sister Empress Elisabeth of Austria.

Yes,they did...But I am sure about this portrait as I visited the Eutin Castle 10 days ago...There are many versions of the same portrait hanging in there,from square to oval...
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 17, 2012, 11:17:49 AM
Maybe it is the other sister. I found the three portraits so alike that I could be confused too.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Marc on August 17, 2012, 04:51:16 PM
Maybe it is the other sister. I found the three portraits so alike that I could be confused too.


Eric,every portrait in the Castle is identified,just like this one and even printed in some books about the Holstein-Oldenburg family that can be bought in the Castle and area bookstores!

I thought at first that this is indeed Elisabeth until I visited the Castle where various versions of this same portrait hang on the walls...

So,there's no reason not to believe them...why would Eutin Castle have rooms packed with portraits of Elisabeth and not a single one Friederike who was the Duchess?
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 18, 2012, 10:27:46 AM
The whole thing is very confusing.
Title: Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
Post by: Marc on August 24, 2015, 01:38:58 PM
The whole thing is very confusing.

Here is a link where you can see the portrait of the Duchess of Oldenburg with her husband hanging on the walls in Eutin Castle.

http://www.kn-online.de/News/Aktuelle-Nachrichten-Ostholstein/News-Aktuelle-Nachrichten-Ostholstein/Eutiner-Schloss-Alle-in-einem-Zimmer-vereint

One can see even the same wardrobe as the one in the picture wrongly identified as Elisabeth,wife of Franz II...in Wikipedia entry this portrait is attributed to Elisabeth,while it's her sister Friederike...