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Title: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Laura Mabee on September 28, 2005, 08:36:28 PM
There is a book on eBay right now entitled "letters of Alice" there is two copies, published in 1884. This would have been way before Alix was even married.

What did the family feel about their personal items getting publicly published?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alicky1872 on September 29, 2005, 07:32:12 AM
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There is a book on eBay right now entitled "letters of Alice" there is two copies, published in 1884. This would have been way before Alix was even married.

What did the family feel about their personal items getting publicly published?


I believe the letters included in this book were gathered together by the family, as Helena herself wrote the introduction to it. It was done with her family's blessing, and was seen as a sort of tribute to Alice--not anything scandalous at all.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: bluetoria on September 29, 2005, 08:18:07 AM
Yes, it is a wonderful book - compiled by Lenchen. It speaks very respectfully of Alice and each year has a forward (written by Lenchen) to explain what the letters are about.
The book concludes with some of the testimonies written about Alice after her death. If it is going at a reasonable prince on ebay I wholeheartedly recommend it!!!  :D
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: jfkhaos on September 29, 2005, 10:33:28 AM
I have to second bluetoria's comments.....although I have read the book already, I could reread it again and again!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Laura Mabee on September 29, 2005, 04:16:47 PM
Thank you everyone  :)

I still have a question though. Does anyone want to take a stab at the feelings of the family when letters got published for public use?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: jfkhaos on September 29, 2005, 05:42:08 PM
This is definitely a stab, but from the forward of the book, if I remember correctly, the family wanted to "paint" a picture of the kind of person Alice was, so her good works and nature would be more widely-known.  I can't imaging that Queen Victoria would have allowed the publication if she hadn't have concurred.  Alice was definitely a favorite with some of her siblings, and I can't think of anything negative that any of them had to say to her (but of course I read widely and may just have simply forgotten if they had).  
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alicky1872 on September 29, 2005, 06:06:20 PM
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Alice was definitely a favorite with some of her siblings, and I can't think of anything negative that any of them had to say to her (but of course I read widely and may just have simply forgotten if they had).  


As is the case with all siblings at one time or another, sometimes the relationship between Vicky and Alice was strained. I quoted a letter that Vicky wrote about this, on the 'Empress Frederik' thread, in the Hohenzollern section. Vicky felt that at times QV favored Alice over herself, but I think Vicky was just writing the letter to 'vent' to Fritz, and I don't think she would have ever brought up her feelings of being inferior to Alice. In later years, the sisters became closer, going on holidays together, etc.

I believe Alice was the closest to Bertie. Til the end of his life, he kept a large photograph of her (the first picture you see in the 1884 book of her letters) in his dressing room at Buckingham Palace. Also, hanging above the fireplace, in his study at Marlborough House, he kept a painting of Alice with her two eldest daughters.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Laura Mabee on September 29, 2005, 09:15:12 PM
Awesome, I wasn't aware that this was a "family" release. Thank you so much for the dicussion!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 30, 2005, 02:29:19 AM
hey i seem to remember that in "A Princess Reclaimed" a nice easy to read biography on Princess Helena, it mentioned her envolvment in this book and some of the problems she had with the original author.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alicky1872 on September 30, 2005, 03:46:52 AM
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hey i seem to remember that in "A Princess Reclaimed" a nice easy to read biography on Princess Helena, it mentioned her envolvment in this book and some of the problems she had with the original author.


Yes, the book was originally published in German, by an Arnold Bergstrasser, in 1883. It seems he obtained the letters through Queen Victoria, but somewhat bafflingly, she did not give him permission to publish them. (Maybe she had hopes of an English version coming out first?  ???) Apparently Bergstrasser felt he didn't need the Queen's permission anyway, as he went ahead with publication. (QV's reaction to this is not on record.) The edition contained a biographial sketch of Alice, by  a Darmstadt clergyman, Dr. Carl Sell. Soon after the German edition proved to be a success, Princess Helena contacted Dr. Sell and asked permission to translate his text into English, which he readily gave (without contacting his publisher first!  :-/). Predictably, Bergstrasser (the publisher) denied Helena permission and claimed he owned copyright of the letters now. Helena insisted that since the actual letters themselves  belonged to the queen, she owned copyright, and that the only Sell's text (the biographical sketch in the beginning) was open for discussion. Bergstrasser finally agreed on a cash settlement, which amounted to  £100 for the first 3,000 copies and a further £40 for every 1,000 copies sold. The first English translation included Dr. Sell's original introduction. As the book sold so well in England, a second edition had to be printed in 1885, but this time minus Sell's work, and with a memoir of Alice written by Helena herself.

From 'Helena: A Princess Reclaimed' by S. Chomet:

'The review in The Times described the Memoir as 'a touching biographical sketch, written by Princess Christian, containing not only unpublished extracts from Her Majesty's private journals, but the sad story of the death-bed scenes at Darmstadt, described by a devoted friend of the Grand Duchess who attended her in her illness...This loving little memoir by the Princess Christian gives us a higher and clearer insight into the beautiful character of one of the most estimable and loveable of women.'
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: bluetoria on September 30, 2005, 04:42:12 AM
That's so interesting, Mrs. Eddy! It must have been very irksome for Lenchen and QV to think that a publisher claimed copyright of letters which were written to them!!!

There was some friction between Alice and Lenchen not only because of Alice's early opposition to Lenchen's marriage (even though  Alice was thinking only of Lenchen's happiness & it was she herself who eventually persuaded Bertie to attend the ceremony) but also because Lenchen's dowry far exceeded her own. Alice, being relatively impoverished at the time, thought it unfair that QV would not send her more money when Lenchen had a larger dowry & a 'free' home. I think the friction was short-lived though and the closeness of Lenchen's & Alice's children reflects the closeness of their mothers.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Teddy on December 31, 2005, 06:26:17 AM
Advice to a grand-daughter by Richard Hough.

Its a book about the correspondence between Queen Victoria of England and her grand daughter Princess Victoria of Hesse (Battenberg).

Who can tell me more about this book. Is it nice book? Pictures? :)

Thank you in advance.

Teddy
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: tea_rose on December 31, 2005, 06:21:31 PM
  Teddy, I have this book. I read it years ago from the library and finally acquired it. If you have read the multi-volume series of letters between Queen Victoria and her daughter, Vicky ("Dearest Child," ""Your Dear Letter", etc.), you will have an idea of what to expect here. This book is similar in that it includes correspondence between Victoria and her granddaughter, Victoria of Hesse, with lots of annotations and explanatory notes.  

 This is  absolutely my favorite sort of book-so I loved reading it (and re-reading it). The photos are not particularly unique-but the book is well worth a look and a buy. You can obtain an inexpensive copy on the book sites, I believe. I won my copy on Ebay.  I wish I had more  and morevolumes of Queen Victoria's correspondence with her relations; Drat Princess Beatrice and her censorship once again!  
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eurohistory on January 01, 2006, 01:56:34 PM
Advice to a Granddaughter provides the reade with an uncanny insight into the relationship Queen Victoria had with one of her favorite grandchildren.  I believe it to be an amazing book and it will be very nicely complemented by Ilana Miller's upcoming book on the Hessian sisters.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 14, 2006, 12:38:17 PM
I happened to find this in Oxfam today for £1 so I bought it, obviously. ;D

However, I've never heard of it before or the author, so I thought I'd check that it is reliable before I get stuck in.

It looks really interesting and there are some great photos I've never seen before.  I couldn't believe my luck when I found it!

Rachel
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Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Kimberly on March 14, 2006, 12:50:03 PM
Rachel, it is a lovely book, if a bit "flowery" at times. I have had a tattered old copy for about 6 months and have read it twice.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 14, 2006, 12:55:11 PM
Great news! Thanks Kimberly! :D  It does look pretty reliable but you never know!

It's going on my 'to read' pile, which I am slowly working my way through. It's in good company..with 'Princesses' and 'The Last Tsar', and those books I'm supposed to be reading for university...

Rachel
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Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on March 14, 2006, 01:03:10 PM
You've never heard of David Duff ... I would put David in the same league as Theo Aronson.   Hessian Tapestry is a wonderful book.   I am sure he is still alive, but very elderly (b 1912) ... and living in Diss.  I used to be David's researcher (for several books books published in the 70s and 80s.)  I never accepted money, but I got other good things ... like long stays with he and his wife at their home in Diss -- and a beautiful signed photograph of Queen Mary (that hung over a toilet in his house -- his house was filled with royal memorabilia.  This was not his comment about Mary, mind you.

The photo now is on a wall in my entrance hallway.

He also wrote bios on Princess Louise and Princess Beatrice (the Shy Princess) as well as bios on more modern royals such as the queen mother.   His books are what I called secondary reading ... and I would say that Hessian Tapestry is his best book.  

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I happened to find this in Oxfam today for £1 so I bought it, obviously. ;D

However, I've never heard of it before or the author, so I thought I'd check that it is reliable before I get stuck in.

It looks really interesting and there are some great photos I've never seen before.  I couldn't believe my luck when I found it!

Rachel
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Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 14, 2006, 01:25:30 PM
Diss in Norfolk Marlene?

It is a superb book, one of my favourites. Great find Rachel!!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on March 14, 2006, 01:32:37 PM
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Diss in Norfolk Marlene?

It is a superb book, one of my favourites. Great find Rachel!!



yes, in Norfolk.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 14, 2006, 01:35:03 PM
Wow, i never knew that one of my favourite authors lives not 20 mins from my house!!

How exciting! Do you think he might be interested to see my collection?? Though is probably not a patch on his!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on March 14, 2006, 01:38:49 PM
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Wow, i never knew that one of my favourite authors lives not 20 mins from my house!!

How exciting! Do you think he might be interested to see my collection?? Though is probably not a patch on his!!  ;D ;D



He was born in 1912.  I am not sure how well he is ... this was the first year I didn't get a card from he and his wife  in at least 25 years.)  
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 14, 2006, 01:40:53 PM
Yes, no doubt he wants a peaceful time at his age.

Not good to hear you didn't get an Xmas card, hope he is alright. I love his books.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Kimberly on March 14, 2006, 01:44:02 PM
Loved his "Shy Princess" too.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on March 14, 2006, 01:44:42 PM
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Yes, no doubt he wants a peaceful time at his age.

Not good to hear you didn't get an Xmas card, hope he is alright. I love his books.



I was always in awe of David  -- he was a good friend too ... and I also had the pleasure of knowing Theo Aronson, who was another delightful person.  

Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 14, 2006, 01:47:47 PM
I loved the Shy Princess to Kimberly! I've not read the Princess Louise book. I think he did one on Queen Alexandra too??

Im sure Theo Aronson was a wonderful man.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Prince_Lieven on March 14, 2006, 01:49:10 PM
The Alix one he did is Alexandra, Princess and Queen, I think.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on March 14, 2006, 01:52:22 PM
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I loved the Shy Princess to Kimberly! I've not read the Princess Louise book. I think he did one on Queen Alexandra too??

Im sure Theo Aronson was a wonderful man.



The princess louise book is difficult to find ... it was published in the 1940s during the war so the distribution was limited ... even David did not have a spare copy.  

Took me years to find a copy.    Nothing earth shattering or as detailed as Jehanne Wake's book.  Shy princess is lovely, and far better than the ME Sara bio.

Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on March 14, 2006, 01:52:52 PM
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The Alix one he did is Alexandra, Princess and Queen, I think.


Yes -- and that is one of the books I worked on.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 14, 2006, 01:57:08 PM
Very interesting! Thank you :):)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Arleen on March 14, 2006, 02:53:50 PM
David Duff is one of my favorites too.  Your info on him is priceless Marlene, thanks for telling us.

Arleen
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on March 14, 2006, 03:10:46 PM
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David Duff is one of my favorites too.  Your info on him is priceless Marlene, thanks for telling us.

Arleen


thanks.  It was a privilege to be able to assist David ...
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eurohistory on March 14, 2006, 03:14:41 PM
Hessian Tapestry is a phenomenal book...the fold out family tree remainsone of my top favorites until this day!

I never met David Duff.  Theo Aronson I met on several occasions and I stand by what people have said of him...he was a jewel, marvelously funny, thoroughly delightful and just an absolutely wonderful person, so very witty!

I was deeply saddened when he died.  In fact, I think I have the last royalty article he wrote for publication. It ius in the ERHJ archive. Out of respect I have not included the piece in the THE EUROPEAN ROYAL HISTORY JOURNAL - but perhaps it is time that I do!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 14, 2006, 03:36:26 PM
Oh, my ignorance! Well I'm glad to hear that David Duff is a wonderful author and throughly nice man.  And he lives in Norfolk; I am originally from Norfolk (good Norfolk surname)!  Therefore he must be fantastic! I just hope that he is well; he must be in his nineties if my maths is correct, which it probably isn't.

Well it looks like for once, I hit the jackpot in my search for royal book treasure.  I just couldn't believe it when I saw it.  I was biding my time before getting the train home, just thought I'd pop into the charity book shop and BAM I saw 'Hessian Tapestry', the portrait of Princess Alice in the front and got all excited.  Then I saw it was a first edition and just £1, so you know, I couldn't resist...I never get lucky with stuff like this!!! I thought I'd come and ask you guys about it as soon as I got home and as usual you come up trumps.  Such lovely people. :)

Thanks for the info everyone, and Marlene, you're so lucky to have known all of these great people.  I am perfectly jealous!

Rachel
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Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on March 14, 2006, 03:50:39 PM
You will love the book.

David is in his 90s.  And, it's great to come across such finds.  Hope this was the hardcover.  And if you don't like the book, you can probably earn more than your original investment by flogging it on Ebay!

The book came out in about 1968 if I recall, when I was 14.  It was one of the first royal books I read after Lady Longford's bio on Victoria which got me into this mess in the first place ...  now that I think about it, HT may have been published in 1967 which would have made me 13 ...

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Oh, my ignorance! Well I'm glad to hear that David Duff is a wonderful author and throughly nice man.  And he lives in Norfolk; I am originally from Norfolk (good Norfolk surname)!  Therefore he must be fantastic! I just hope that he is well; he must be in his nineties if my maths is correct, which it probably isn't.

Well it looks like for once, I hit the jackpot in my search for royal book treasure.  I just couldn't believe it when I saw it.  I was biding my time before getting the train home, just thought I'd pop into the charity book shop and BAM I saw 'Hessian Tapestry', the portrait of Princess Alice in the front and got all excited.  Then I saw it was a first edition and just £1, so you know, I couldn't resist...I never get lucky with stuff like this!!! I thought I'd come and ask you guys about it as soon as I got home and as usual you come up trumps.  Such lovely people. :)

Thanks for the info everyone, and Marlene, you're so lucky to have known all of these great people.  I am perfectly jealous!

Rachel
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Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 14, 2006, 04:05:07 PM
Yup, hardcover, first edition, 1967.  No dust jacket, but other than that, it's perfect.  All the photos and fold out genealogical tables are in place.  I'm so pleased I found something good for once!!!

I'm positive I will enjoy it.  I think my book for university may be abandoned for the next few days, as I am going to get stuck in now; you've all given it such a glowing review!

It's amazing how certain things can inspire an interest that stays with us for our whole lives.  For me, it was a battered copy of 'Kings and Queens of England' that had as a small note next to Princess Alice that her daughter had been the last Empress of Russia and had been murdered.  Before the internet, this was, so I headed down to the local library to find out about this Empress of Russia...and well, here I am, ten years later.  

Hessian Tapestry must be amazing if it's what has inspired you, Marlene.  Your work, I hear, (still can't afford a copy of QVD, so can't comment from personal experience) is wonderful, and you're so knowledgable.  Look at me, suck up of the century! But it's true; I'm amazed by how much you know.  And if David Duff inspired you..I'm going off to get myself inspired asap!

Rachel
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Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on March 14, 2006, 04:33:24 PM


You did do well:

http://tinyurl.com/hnsum



Actually it was Lady Longford's book that got me into this mess.  I was 12 when I read Queen Victoria Born to Succeed, and there was this family tree table in the back of the book ... oh goodness, I was mesmerized ... and look what happened.

I found some good bargains in my life ... I was in once NYC old bookstore, and browsing when a book fell on my foot - it was Alice's letters edited by Helena ... $4.00!!!!  

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Yup, hardcover, first edition, 1967.  No dust jacket, but other than that, it's perfect.  All the photos and fold out genealogical tables are in place.  I'm so pleased I found something good for once!!!

I'm positive I will enjoy it.  I think my book for university may be abandoned for the next few days, as I am going to get stuck in now; you've all given it such a glowing review!

It's amazing how certain things can inspire an interest that stays with us for our whole lives.  For me, it was a battered copy of 'Kings and Queens of England' that had as a small note next to Princess Alice that her daughter had been the last Empress of Russia and had been murdered.  Before the internet, this was, so I headed down to the local library to find out about this Empress of Russia...and well, here I am, ten years later.  

Hessian Tapestry must be amazing if it's what has inspired you, Marlene.  Your work, I hear, (still can't afford a copy of QVD, so can't comment from personal experience) is wonderful, and you're so knowledgable.  Look at me, suck up of the century! But it's true; I'm amazed by how much you know.  And if David Duff inspired you..I'm going off to get myself inspired asap!

Rachel
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Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 14, 2006, 05:05:38 PM
Woo! I'm rich! ;)

I've made at least a £25 profit there!!! :)

I hope this isn't my last lucky find!!!

Alice's letters edited by Helena for $4? :o I think that beats mine!!

Rachel
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Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: LisaDavidson on March 14, 2006, 09:51:36 PM
I, too, love Hessian Tapestry - it's one of my favorite books period, not just one of my favorite royal books. I found it very well written. Brilliant find, Rachel!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on March 14, 2006, 10:32:42 PM
Finding bargains is more difficult these days ... I look at my library here and realize that a good number of my books will serve me well when I get older, and need to supplement medicare ..
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The $4.00 book may be a good story ... but I also have great stories about how I got a bio of Edward VII with Daisy Warwick's bookplate .... and then there's the  biography of Henry Battenberg ... signed by Queen Victoria ... talk about bargains.

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Woo! I'm rich! ;)

I've made at least a £25 profit there!!! :)

I hope this isn't my last lucky find!!!

Alice's letters edited by Helena for $4? :o I think that beats mine!!

Rachel
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Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 15, 2006, 02:37:15 AM
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The $4.00 book may be a good story ... but I also have great stories about how I got a bio of Edward VII with Daisy Warwick's bookplate .... and then there's the  biography of Henry Battenberg ... signed by Queen Victoria ... talk about bargains.



I am so envious!!!

Hessian Tapestry is certainly in my top 5 favourite books, it covers so much!

I really want to get the Alexandra bio by David Duff but i've never seen it.  :-/

Actually, tell a lie,  I did see it once. I was on a home visit with a patient and she had it!! I was so envious!!!  ;D

Did he write one on Queen Mary?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 15, 2006, 09:11:05 AM
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Did he write one on Queen Mary?


Yes he did Eddie! That's the book I can't seem to get my hands on. I thought I got lucky once when I found it as a 'buy it now' item on Ebay. I paid straight away and pitched a tent by my letter box! Then one day a parcel came through and hit me on the head. (And I've been this way ever since!) After the bleeding subsided, I opened the package to find a book called Queen Mary alright--but it was about the ocean liner! Turned out the seller had got the two books mixed up and had of course already sold the Duff book.  :'(
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 15, 2006, 12:22:57 PM
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Yes he did Eddie! That's the book I can't seem to get my hands on. I thought I got lucky once when I found it as a 'buy it now' item on Ebay. I paid straight away and pitched a tent by my letter box! Then one day a parcel came through and hit me on the head. (And I've been this way ever since!) After the bleeding subsided, I opened the package to find a book called Queen Mary alright--but it was about the ocean liner! Turned out the seller had got the two books mixed up and had of course already sold the Duff book.  :'(


Thank you for the information Mrs Eddy!!  :-* :-* I will have to keep my eyes peeled for it!!

At least you know lots about the liner now!! Who knows when that might be useful  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on March 15, 2006, 01:39:20 PM
there are quite a lot of copies on addall through different dealers ... but note there are some on the ship as well, which were not written by our David.

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Yes he did Eddie! That's the book I can't seem to get my hands on. I thought I got lucky once when I found it as a 'buy it now' item on Ebay. I paid straight away and pitched a tent by my letter box! Then one day a parcel came through and hit me on the head. (And I've been this way ever since!) After the bleeding subsided, I opened the package to find a book called Queen Mary alright--but it was about the ocean liner! Turned out the seller had got the two books mixed up and had of course already sold the Duff book.  :'(

Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 15, 2006, 04:51:15 PM
Ok, I should be getting paid for my book detective services.

David Duff's Queen Mary bio is for sale used on amazon.co.uk for just £2.22.  That's right, people, just £2.22.  And that's a hardback first edition too.

Get yourselves over there and buy it via this link:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0002172402/qid=1142462946/sr=1-18/ref=sr_1_0_18/202-2418519-9421415

Rachel
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Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eurohistory on March 16, 2006, 12:35:13 AM
You give me the following:

Hessian Tapestry
A Family of Kings
Grandmama of Europe
The Lalor trilogy
Queen Mary
The Last Courts of Europe
QVD
The Grand Duchesses
The Grand Dukes
La Familia de la Reina Sofia
Los Borbones de Andalusia
Los Desconocidos Infantes de España
My Fifty Years

Oh and WAR AND PEACE

Leave me alone for several years and I will be a happy, happy man!

Artuor Beéche
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 16, 2006, 04:24:44 AM
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Leave me alone for several years and I will be a happy, happy man!

Artuor Beéche


Funny, that's what my husband tells me.  ;)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alixz on March 16, 2006, 06:10:59 PM
Mrs. Eddy   ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 18, 2006, 08:52:43 AM
Thank you for the information!

I know it sounds silly but I love my books to be in as good condition as possible! Any one else like that?  ;D  :) :)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Margarita Markovna on March 18, 2006, 09:02:06 AM
Of course! Especially my photo books, those ones I have to have them in good condition or thereabouts. Some of the more common books, though, don't necessarily have to be in great condition. (Like Nicholas and Alexandra, my copy is battered.)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eurohistory on March 18, 2006, 11:23:17 AM
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Thank you for the information!

I know it sounds silly but I love my books to be in as good condition as possible! Any one else like that?  ;D  :) :)


I do...i I find a better copy of a book I own, I immediately buy it...I like all my books to be with dustjacket, if possible, and cover these with special plastic wrappers to protect their condition.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Margarita Markovna on March 18, 2006, 06:13:30 PM
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I do...i I find a better copy of a book I own, I immediately buy it...I like all my books to be with dustjacket, if possible, and cover these with special plastic wrappers to protect their condition.

Arturo Beéche

Like they do at libraries? Me too, at least to the ones I use a lot. I did it to my copy of the Jiri Louda book.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 18, 2006, 07:21:06 PM
I'm not the only saddo!

I'm obsessive about my books.  My friends call me 'the library' because they all borrow my books, but as I always say to them, my books are my babies and I'll know if they've even so much as slightly bashed a corner. Desperately sad, but come on, books are precious!

I like old books the best.  My favourites are the Everyman series published in the late 1800's and early 1900's.  They're small little hardbacks with decorative spines and beautifully decorated inside, and you can pick them up so cheap.  You can get poems, novels, plays, essays, biographies, historical works...they're fantastic! I always buy used books unless I have to have a book when it comes out, like Harry Potter or Romanov stuff, because I love reading a book and finding little turned over pages, or worn bits, or squashed insects, or coffee/tea rings...it's history in your hands, and it's also a connection to the past through sharing a story that so many people before you have loved and will continue to do so after you're gone...I just love knowing that 100 years ago someone was reading the same page as me and laughing at the same bit..it's weird but cool at the same time.

Ok, back to my hole now...

Rachel
xx
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Post by: Margarita Markovna on March 18, 2006, 10:10:36 PM
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I'm not the only saddo!

I'm obsessive about my books.  My friends call me 'the library' because they all borrow my books, but as I always say to them, my books are my babies and I'll know if they've even so much as slightly bashed a corner. Desperately sad, but come on, books are precious!

I like old books the best.  My favourites are the Everyman series published in the late 1800's and early 1900's.  They're small little hardbacks with decorative spines and beautifully decorated inside, and you can pick them up so cheap.  You can get poems, novels, plays, essays, biographies, historical works...they're fantastic! I always buy used books unless I have to have a book when it comes out, like Harry Potter or Romanov stuff, because I love reading a book and finding little turned over pages, or worn bits, or squashed insects, or coffee/tea rings...it's history in your hands, and it's also a connection to the past through sharing a story that so many people before you have loved and will continue to do so after you're gone...I just love knowing that 100 years ago someone was reading the same page as me and laughing at the same bit..it's weird but cool at the same time.

Ok, back to my hole now...

Rachel
xx

Straying wildly off topic, but sometimes you'll find something more than a tea ring in a book. I got a book of Anne Boleyn secondhand and the previous owner had stuck a print of a portrait I had never seen before into the book.

Okay, enough of my off topic rants. ::)
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Post by: Grace on March 18, 2006, 10:55:20 PM
Lucky you, Ritka.  :D

On the subject of preferring books in pristine condition, I suppose we'd all like them to be this way. Personally, if I had a choice of a book that was a bit dog-eared or had a coffee cup ring on it or not having it at all, I know what I'd choose!  

As for buying a better copy of a book I already owned, that would not be an option for my budget!

I look after them but don't treat them like diamonds either -- sometimes I use a book stop to read whilst I'm eating and drinking -- they exist to enjoy though I'd be seriously peeved if I soiled a photo... >:(
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Post by: Eurohistory on March 21, 2006, 06:15:29 PM
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Like they do at libraries? Me too, at least to the ones I use a lot. I did it to my copy of the Jiri Louda book.


I try doing so as soon as the book arrives so the dustjacket stays as pristine as possible. They do end up occupying more space on the bookshelf, but they look so much nicer.


Arturo Beéche
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Post by: grandduchessella on March 28, 2006, 07:15:20 AM
Ah, Hessian Tapestry.  :)  It was one of the early books I read and I spent years looking for it. (This was pre-Internet) I went through used bookstores in every place I visited. Even on my honeymoon, in London, I spent time canvassing bookstores, hoping I'd have better luck in England. (Bob has the patience of a saint! He accompanied me on 9 out of 10 of these trips) Finally, with the advent of the internet, back in '96 I was able to purchase a copy through abebooks.com. I was so excited--I almost couldn't believe I'd finally be getting my own copy. It was a happy day when it arrived and has occupied a place of honor ever since. Just thinking about it brings back memories of days when there was so much I didn't know about many of QV's descendants and what a thrill it was when I came across a book such as this.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 29, 2006, 02:14:45 AM
Can I just say, I am about half way through this and I am loving it.  

It's a bit flowery but other than that I am enjoying it so much! I'm learning so much I never knew before, and it's fantastic being able to read about the Hesse sisters, who are just footnotes in other books I have.

I highly recommend it to anyone who can find a copy!

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: s.v.markov on April 03, 2006, 06:52:35 AM
I'm just back on the Forum after a major computer failure (formerly Markov), and thrilled to find a new thread on David Duff! Thanks Rachel, and well done for finding 'Hessian Tapestry', which was given to me as a gift when it first appeared in 1967, and has been a constant source of information and enlightenment ever since! The notes and bibliography have led me to some exciting primary sources too. I also liked 'The Shy Princess', 'Edward of Kent', 'Queen Mary' and, perhaps my favourite living as I do not so far from Sandringham, 'Whisper Louise', which tells the story of Louise Cresswell and her struggles to farm in Norfolk at a time when the Prince of Wales (later Edward VII) was breeding millions of pheasants to be blasted out of the sky by himself and his guests. David Duff gives a sympathetic account of the ups and downs of Mrs Cresswell, who was a strong and determined woman ~ and quite prepared to stand up to royalty! She also wrote her own story I believe, but I've never seen it. Great to see David Duff remembered so fondly by forum members.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 03, 2006, 06:58:24 AM
Thank you Markov, I can't speak highly enough of Hessian Tapestry too! I actually saw a copy of David Duffs "Queen Mary" in Sutton Library of all places. I had a quick look through and it looked very good!! am keeping my eyes peeled!

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Post by: kmerov on April 07, 2006, 09:25:09 AM
I just found the book, and after reading this thread I can't wait to get started!
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Post by: grandduchessella on April 07, 2006, 07:05:30 PM
The Queens Alexandra and Mary books are very good. I finally found a copy of the bio he did on Princess Louise (Argyll) and am awaiting its arrival. It's only taken 5 years to find a copy at a good price.  :D
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: jfkhaos on May 04, 2006, 08:51:05 AM
I was able to locate a copy of Hessian Tapestry online through alibris.com, and was thrilled to find it so cheap, considering I have seen copies online for sale at $100 and up (the fact that the book came from England was an even better bonus!).  I just began reading it last night and the first thing I noticed was the immense genealogical tables in the front of the book.  It is wonderful so far, and this thread made me that much more impatient to find a good copy!  Thank you to all!

By the way, although I have seen some of the pictures in the book before, some are completely new to me and are wonderful! ;D
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eddie_uk on May 06, 2006, 02:14:40 PM
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By the way, although I have seen some of the pictures in the book before, some are completely new to me and are wonderful! ;D

Glad you like it too! It is a really great book, David Duff must have done so much research for it and all those years ago too, must have taken a while!! I love the picture it contains of Irene of Hesse with Henry. Irene looks lovely.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: grandduchessella on May 06, 2006, 08:44:17 PM
They made a handsome couple and it's nice to look at the photo and realize that it was a love-match and remained that way throughout.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on May 07, 2006, 03:46:53 AM
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They made a handsome couple and it's nice to look at the photo and realize that it was a love-match and remained that way throughout.

Yes, I couldn't agree more GD Ella! :) I wonder if Irene was lonely after Henrys death, she lived on for quite a number of years...
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: nelly on May 07, 2006, 09:56:25 PM
Thanks to all responders in this thread, when I spotted this book in the Amazon booksellers, I grabbed it.
It truly is a wonderful book with many stories I have not seen anywhere else.  I am enjoying it very much and while my copy doesn't have a dustcover, it does have both genealogical tables intact and is a first edition.  Thank you all again for directing my attention  to this book [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: tea_rose on July 02, 2006, 03:57:26 PM
  I just ordered a copy of this book from Alibris; it was $34.95 which is much better than I have seen it.  (Of course, the copy for a pound was truly incredible!). This is a good bit for me still but I have looked for an affordable copy for years it seems. It was a U.S vendor also so I hope it will be here soon. It's my Independence day gift to me (rationalization supreme!).  

Hurrah!  Now, if I could just find an inexpensive copy of "Family of Kings." (sigh!)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eurohistory on July 02, 2006, 04:29:34 PM
A FAMILY OF KINGS has been republished and the price is not outrageous.  If you want an original version, then good luck finding a modestly priced one.  The last original version we had here for sale I believe we sold for about $60.00 much lower than what I paid for mine when I finally found an original version (£90.00).  Then I was lucky to have Theo autograph for me seven of his books (first editions).

HESSIAN TAPESTRY is a wonderful book.  The family tree included in both US and UK versions is wonderful!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ilana on July 04, 2006, 07:30:41 PM
I always call this the "Nicholas and Alexandra" of the Hessian family.  If this book doesn't get you fascinated with them, nothing will.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ena on September 06, 2006, 10:47:43 PM
I just got a copy off Amazon for $29.00  Judging from you guys, it looks like that's a good price.  Though not as good a deal as the one Rachel got!  :)

I can't wait until I receive it.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on January 28, 2007, 01:25:17 PM
I know Vicky has MANY letters between her and her mother published but i have yet to find some that Alice wrote and which Queen Victoria wrote to Alice....

Can someone help me out here?
Do the letters still exsist or were they destroyed?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 28, 2007, 01:41:07 PM
Hi C_C, I remember reading several in "Victorias Daughters" a great book!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Helen on January 28, 2007, 02:54:57 PM
I know Vicky has MANY letters between her and her mother published but i have yet to find some that Alice wrote and which Queen Victoria wrote to Alice....
Can someone help me out here? Do the letters still exsist or were they destroyed?
There's a whole book of letters that Alice wrote to her mother QV: 'Alice Grand Duchess of Hesse, Princess of Great Britain and Ireland: biographical sketch and letters', edited by Princess Helena (http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&kn=alice+hesse+sketch (http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&kn=alice+hesse+sketch)). The book is also available in German translation: 'Alice, Grossherzogin von Hessen und bei Rhein', Verlag zur Megede, Darmstadt, 1982.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 29, 2007, 01:34:13 PM
Along the same lines, Cambria, if you are interested, there is a book called "Darling Loosy", which are letters to Louise... 

http://www.amazon.com/Darling-Loosy-Letters-Princess-1856-1939/dp/0297811797/sr=1-1/qid=1170098505/ref=sr_1_1/103-5238120-2938207?ie=UTF8&s=books
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on February 04, 2007, 02:01:10 PM
do they have any of these books online?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on February 07, 2007, 10:32:59 AM
No -- there would be copyright and rights restrictions regarding the correspondence. 

For example, permission would be needed from the rights holders (ie the archives) that have the letters ...
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alixz on May 30, 2007, 07:57:33 AM
This thread was last posted on September 06, 2006 and it has taken me that long to find a reasonably price copy of Hessian Tapestry.

It was still a bit pricey to me, but I paid about $85 USD including s/h.

The book is in very good condition and I got it from Eastleach Books in UK.  Its a 1967 first edition with genealogical charts intact.

I am just now to N&A's visit to QV at the time of QV's Golden Jubilee.  "It was soon noticed that the new "Alicky" and "Nicky", the Emperor and Empress of All The Russias, were very different to the young lovers who had frolicked at Windsor and Osborne but two years before.  "Alicky" was a haughty woman dressed in white serge.  She no longer smiled.  "Nicky" vacillated and was impossible to pin down.  In fact he was not enjoying Balmoral at all."

"To supplement the army of detectives, who hid behind every bush and tree to guard him against any attempts by Nihilists, he kept a piece of dried garlic in his pocket.  He apparently believed that this talisman would ensure his safety."   [Vampires, anyone?  ???]

I can see that Robert Massie used this book as a source for his N&A.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alixz on May 30, 2007, 08:01:23 AM
As to the other poster's question about A Family of Kings by Theo Aronson, I just found one of those in Denmark.

I paid $64.02 in conversion to USD including s/h.

It is an original edition with charts intact.  I can't wait for it to get here.

(I just like to collect first printings.  Its one of my expensive habits.)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on May 30, 2007, 09:28:49 AM
Most likely, this book did not have a second printing.

As to the other poster's question about A Family of Kings by Theo Aronson, I just found one of those in Denmark.

I paid $64.02 in conversion to USD including s/h.

It is an original edition with charts intact.  I can't wait for it to get here.

(I just like to collect first printings.  Its one of my expensive habits.)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alixz on May 30, 2007, 11:41:01 AM
Marlene,

If you mean A Family of Kings, EuroHistory did a reprint.  I did get that one because Art is usually pretty good and I couldn't afford the older version until now.  However, Art's version was a disappointment to me.  But that's just because I am addicted to getting the "first printing" copies.

I should have known better, but ah well...
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on May 30, 2007, 02:41:36 PM
Reprints are different than 1st edition  2nd edition -- and two different publishers.  The original publisher was Cassels, I think ... but Art may not have been able to acquire the rights to the photos used in the cassells edition ...

Art's book is also a first edition because it was a different publisher.

Marlene,

If you mean A Family of Kings, EuroHistory did a reprint.  I did get that one because Art is usually pretty good and I couldn't afford the older version until now.  However, Art's version was a disappointment to me.  But that's just because I am addicted to getting the "first printing" copies.

I should have known better, but ah well...
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alixz on May 30, 2007, 07:22:07 PM
Marlene,

I understand now.  I did get the Cassel edition.  It was what I wanted in the first place.
Thanks for the information.   :)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: s.v.markov on May 31, 2007, 04:00:48 PM
I totally agree with Alixz regarding first printings. There are often quite major differences in later printings. For instance, the first edition of Sophie Buxhoeveden's 'Life and Tragedy of Alexandra Feodorovna' (Longmans, 1928) has nearly 40 photographic plates, but many of them do not appear in any of the later editions. And it is an altogether 'better' book, with gilt lettering on the front and spine, and tissue paper protecting the frontispiece. Sometimes titles change too : 'Tutor to the Tsarevich' by Trewin (Macmillan, 1975) had by 1982 somehow become 'The House of Special Purpose' and had lost all it colour plates. The second title was really stupid, since only a few pages are concerned with the Ipatiev House, and plates such as those showing the GDs' water-colours will only work in colour obviously! And just to stray into fiction for a moment, the first edition of 'When Summer Day is Done' (1976) has a final paragraph which does not appear in later paperback editions.....I wonder how much control the authors had over these changes?

First printings of Romanov and related books ~ at least the early ones ~ are becoming increasingly difficult to find at reasonable prices, but they are a source of great pleasure and enjoyment when they do appear from time to time. My copy of 'Hessian Tapestry', published in 1967 by Frederick Muller, was found in a Cambridge (England) bookshop many years ago ~ the genealogical tables alone have proved useful in sorting out 'who is who' so many times!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Rachael89 on August 12, 2007, 11:01:34 AM
I've just finished reading a copy of Hessian Tapestry I got from my library - what a great book! Definitely one of the best I've read on royalty for a long, long time. I read a biography focusing only on Princess Alice (Queen Victorua's forgotten daughter) and found HT a much easier and more enjoyable read.

I also got An Unbroken Unity about GD Ella - I look forward to reading that too!

Rachael
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: dmitri on August 12, 2007, 11:47:37 AM
Hessian Tapestry was very good. David Duff put out other works as well which are generally very well researched and written.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Sarai on September 11, 2007, 01:03:17 PM
I was looking to purchase this book on Amazon, but then I saw that there is a similar book entitled Advice to my grand-daughter: Letters from Queen Victoria to Princess Victoria of Hesse. It is 156 pages, published by Simon and Schuster (1975), and ISBN #: 0671222422. The "authors" are Queen Victoria and Princess Victoria. What is the difference between this book and Hough's? Does Hough's have better pictures? I have noticed this book is generally cheaper than Hough's.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ilana on September 12, 2007, 12:55:33 PM
They are, I believe, the same book.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: grandduchessella on May 25, 2008, 08:19:41 AM
There's a copy through abebooks.com right now for about $35.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Joanna on June 12, 2008, 08:54:49 PM
The book "Alice, grand duchess of Hesse, princess of Great Britain and Ireland, biographical sketch and letters. With portraits (1885) is online and can be downloaded in various forms. As the data indicates, it is not in copyright.

http://www.archive.org/details/alicegrandduches00alic

Joanna

Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Helen on June 13, 2008, 12:35:53 AM
Thank you for this link, Joanna! I picked up a German translation in a bookstore in Darmstadt in the early 1980s and still wanted to buy the original English edition one day, so I am very pleased with this digital version. :)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: halen on June 13, 2008, 08:20:03 AM
Joanna, thank you so very very much. I have died and gone to heaven. I love that archive site. I spend the better part of last night downloading different books--from European Royalty, to lectures on the American Civil War. Heaven, I'm in heaven...

Louise...doing the Snoopy dance of happiness
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2008, 12:22:42 PM
The book itself may be out of copyright, but the heirs might still prevent it from republishing. :)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: grandduchessella on June 29, 2008, 09:37:08 PM
Not only are we going to be blessed with Ilana's non-fiction book on VMH (yay!) but there's a fictional work on VMH as well. It's  called The Royal Mob, and should also be out this summer through Publish America. It's by name Theresa Sherman (a pen name of a non-fiction author). Between these 2 books, Robert Alexander's book on Ella and Janet Ashton's book it's shaping up to be a very Hessian year!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: LisaDavidson on July 31, 2008, 07:37:55 PM
Amazon.com has this new book, I loved it!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: grandduchessella on August 01, 2008, 08:46:30 AM
There wasn't a description about the book (though Louis & Victoria are on the cover). Here's a description:

The Royal Mob is the story of the four beautiful Princesses of the House of Hesse, granddaughters of Queen Victoria, who come of age during the zenith of European Royalty. Each makes a brilliant marriage that will bring her both happiness and heartbreak. The eldest, Princess Victoria, marries the handsome Prince Louis of Battenberg, the former lover of Lillie Langtry. The next, the exquisite Elisabeth, is swept off to the unbelievable splendor of the Romanov court by Grand Duke Serge, while Irène dazzles Prince Henry of Prussia and takes her place at the court in Berlin. Alix, the youngest, marries the man she has loved since childhood, Tsar Nicholas II of Russia, and becomes the fabled Empress Alexandra.

From such exotic locals as Russia, Bulgaria and Ottoman Jerusalem, to the drawing rooms of Sandringham, The Royal Mob is told as an intimate memoir of the eldest sister, Princess Victoria of Hesse, who was the favorite granddaughter of Queen Victoria. Starting in the court of the Queen Empress and ending at the marriage of Victoria’s grandson, Prince Philip, to the future Queen Elizabeth of England, The Royal Mob is the lavish and exciting story of the last royal courts of Europe.

It sounds good, and I'm going to get it!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on August 01, 2008, 12:24:43 PM
Thanks everyone... looking forward to your thoughts.

Enjoy the book, it's a fun read for the summer or the garden!

Best wishes,
Theresa Sherman
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: LisaDavidson on August 01, 2008, 12:36:15 PM
Welcome to the Forum, Theresa! It's our pleasure to be joined by authors here on the Forum. It gives our members a unique opportunity to converse with those writing on some of their favorite subjects. Please let Courtney, Rob, Bob or myself know if there's anything we can do for you.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: halen on August 01, 2008, 02:12:25 PM
I just checked out Amazon. Great picture of Louis and Victoria on the cover.

Theresa, welcome.

Louise
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on August 02, 2008, 11:10:10 AM
Thanks, Halen... I love that pic as well.  It was generously loaned to me by a well-known collector and I have to say that I had never seen it before.  I was familiar with the clothes they were wearing and was able to place the sitting, but as I said, I had never seen this photograph before.  I'm so pleased with it!!!

Best regards,
Theresa
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on August 04, 2008, 03:09:06 AM
 yeah its great the picm they seems so happy, but VHM look so young, mabe the pic was taken in the time of their Engagement time.

 are in the book  Pics of them ?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Janet Ashton on August 04, 2008, 09:49:54 AM
I look forward to reading this book, which has already been an inspiration to me!
- I had abandoned my own work of Hessian fiction in 2002, but when I heard earlier this year that a novel about Victoria was imminent I decided suddenly to revisit it and finally consider publication.
It will be interetsing to conmpare our different treatment of the same characters!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on August 05, 2008, 10:52:48 AM
Actually, they may gel more than you think, Janet... coming, as they do from totally different angles... but your take on VMH (from Alix's point of view) makes a lot of sense.  Mine from VMH's pov, I think, will make sense as well!!!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: s.v.markov on September 08, 2008, 03:54:49 PM
Well, I've just finished reading the book today ~ all 631 pages ~ and I must say I enjoyed it immensely! The central character of Victoria became very real to me as the book progressed, and every event in this long saga is portrayed with feeling and sympathy. At last I now have a clear grasp of the 'minor' characters ~ the Cecilias and Sophies, for example ~ I was never sure who they were before reading this book! Something else I really liked ~ when Victoria says (on more than one occasion) ..'a photo was taken to record this...'  Then I could go to one of my photo books and actually find the photo she is talking about and identify all the characters! The family group at Ernst and V.Melita's marriage in 1894 is a good example.  Thank you to the author for writing the book, and to AP for bringing it to our attention.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on September 08, 2008, 05:02:53 PM
Thank you so much, I'm terribly flattered at your lovely review (now could you put it on Amazon:)!!!!!!!!!).   Sorry, but the publishers don't do much in the way of publicity.

Seriously, I am so happy you enjoyed it and that you saw Victoria the way I did!!!!!!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 08, 2008, 05:41:12 PM
Indeed, Theresa. I noticed many facts large and small which give me the idea you did a lot of research! Can you tell us a little bit about that? How long you researched, where you went, etc?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on September 09, 2008, 05:36:23 PM
Like some here, VMH is my favorite royal.  There is something about her character and personality that I related to so much....  I "met" her one day when browsing at a used book store.  I always went first to British History and was fascinated with the children and grandchildren of Queen Victoria.  On the shelve was ADVICE TO MY GRANDDAUGHTER.  I picked it up and looked (of course) at the photos, and decided that I had to have this book.  From then on, I read all I could about Victoria and the Battenbergs....and of course later the Mountbattens.  I think I read the usual source books for this subject, and was lucky enough to go on an incredible tour of Darmstadt where I got to see all the places that I've put into the novel and most important, the Heiligenberg.

Well, that's some of the journey I took....:)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alicky1872 on September 12, 2008, 03:47:00 PM
It's been long time since I posted on this site, but I had to share my review of this wonderful book!

I truly enjoyed The Royal Mob. Theresa Sherman's Victoria speaks how I imagined she really would have done. Princess Victoria of Hesse was Queen Victoria's favorite grandchild and her fictional memoirs are what makes up this book. Her life starting in Queen Victoria's golden era and ending in the aftermath of WW2 makes for a fascinating, heartwarming and sometimes heartbreaking epic. We get a glimpse into the world of the 'Royal Mob', Queen Victoria's legendary family, and come to know her legion of cousins, aunts and uncles by their nicknames and come to love them as Victoria did. Victoria's humor and zest for life was legendary, and she really came alive for me in this book. Victoria's shining moment in this story is when her grandson, Prince Philip marries Princess Elizabeth (later Queen Elizabeth II) and when Victoria gives Philip a gift that represents Victoria's whole life. The ending actually brought tears to my eyes.

I'm lucky enough to be able to call 'Theresa Sherman' a friend, and during our correspondance, her love for Victoria and Louis really shines through. I know how much hard work she has put into this labor of love. She meticulously researched Victoria's life and interviewed members of Victoria's family to paint as realistic a portrait as we are ever going to get, of this fascinating Royal. As very few of us will ever be lucky enough to be able to read Victoria's real memoirs (as Theresa Sherman has) and as they are highly unkilely to ever be published, this is as close as we will get to what Victoria most probably thought and felt as she lived one of the most interesting (in my opinion) of lives.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on September 13, 2008, 11:39:54 AM
Thanks a bunch, Mrs. Eddy... you are truly kind!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on September 13, 2008, 02:05:14 PM
 hey can you plase tell me, what for spacial Moments was for you, in this book ?

one, i know it was about her Grandson Philipp on his wedding, What for a gift was it ?  plase tell me ^^

are there more moments who do you has love ? mabe in her Childhood, or when she was a young wife. ?

Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on September 14, 2008, 11:27:29 AM
The gift is a fictional one....A running device throughout the book after Victoria's marriage.

I can't think of a particular moment in VMH's life that I loved more than others....  I enjoyed the trip that they took to Bulgaria to see Louis' brother Sandro.  I based it on Marie Battenberg's trip (described in detail in her memoirs), but I am sure that Victoria visited at some point.  She was such an intrepid traveler.

I had fun with her gossiping with Marie Louise, Princess of Nowhere at Prince Philip's wedding...oh and her chatting with Marie of Romania in 1913 at Viktoria Louise's wedding.

All good stuff, I thought!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on September 14, 2008, 12:58:01 PM
cool,  is there something a romantic scene  rom  victoria and louis  in this book ?  Mabe where louis has aked her to marry him ?


I knew that she was traveled alone sometimes to her Sisters in Russia. Louis was mostly on his work.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on September 15, 2008, 11:29:53 AM
Naturally there is some romance, but I believe that it is tastefully done.

Victoria traveled a great deal without Louis who was busy with the Royal Navy.  She was accompanied at various times by her lady-in-waiting and later by her children.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on September 15, 2008, 12:15:28 PM
uuuu

i wish i  could read this book, but its in english, and not in german! =(

In the book, i think Victoria was a tomboy in her childhood.  Louis and victoria knew each other since they childhood right ?  and when she fell in love with him ? when she was a teenager ?

Why Louis has married Victoria? i mean he was with lili toegther, he wanted marry her. But why he has take in the end victoria ? ok  becuase he love her nut is there more reason.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on September 16, 2008, 10:41:27 AM
I think that Louis was fairly easily persuaded not to marry Lillie Langtry.  His parents, no doubt, had a hand in that. Remember, he was young and probably like a lot of men blessed with looks and charm, not particularly responsible when it came to women.

Louis and Victoria became engaged when Lillie was completely out of the picture.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on September 16, 2008, 10:55:36 AM
 Oh yeah so  their love (louis and victorias) was true and i think she feel in love with him, where she was a teenager right ?

Oh  i wished i could read this book, and i wish it could be in German too. Becuase my english is not perfect.

but from where do you have thsi lovly pic on the cover of the book ? i mean where victoria and louis smile.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on September 17, 2008, 11:07:11 AM
The photo was generously given to me to use by a collector who has a very large treasure trove of photographs.  I had never seen this photo before, though I have guessed at the setting and time by the clothing....I really love it too!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on September 17, 2008, 11:11:39 AM
 is in the book pictures of vicky and louis and the children ????????

Oh i wish i could read it! =(

the pic of the both , its new for me, they look so happy and vicky seems so young, like 19 jears or 20. can it be ?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on September 18, 2008, 10:40:24 AM
No, I believe this photo was taken when she had several children.  Since she was married at 21, she wouldn't have been in her teens anyway.

There are no other photos in the book since it is a work of fiction.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on September 18, 2008, 11:31:58 AM
 hmm bu she look so thin and young.  And louis too, they seems so happy.

is in the book arguments  between vicky and louis, or with the children ?  was vicky  agreed that her daugther alice marry prince andrew of greece, cause it was a lovematch.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alixz on September 22, 2008, 05:28:31 PM
I received this book last week and put it my pile to read  I started it today and so far, it flows very easily.

I believe that the Langtry "affaire" was handled as any "wrong side of the blanket" affaire would have been handled at the time.  I, too, wonder what happened to the baby girl and what her life was like.

Lilly was so famous, but in the US we mostly hear about Judge Roy Bean and his infatuation with her.

I suppose a detailed biography of Lilly would tell us something about the baby.  I know that the Masterpiece Theater movie about her didn't mention it at all.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on September 23, 2008, 11:23:59 AM
Alixz, as far as I know, the way I handle it in the book is supposedly what happened  and you will see the girl later on.

Jeanne Marie married a friend of Winston Churchill's named Ian Malcolm and had a nice large family. Lord Mountbatten was in contact with some of the Malcolms.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on September 23, 2008, 11:41:51 AM
 so Lilie langrty was not a "big" problem  between Vicky and louis.  I mean Lilie  has become a girl and she said  the father is Louis. WAs louis glad about that ?

Can someone tell me with wich age victoria fell in Love ? so louis was her first big love ?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alixz on September 25, 2008, 02:44:36 PM
I just finished the book last night.  I couldn't put it down!  Theresa, so well done!!!!!  What a new a different kind of insight and view of the Hesse family and their relations.

The ending is wonderful and I had to read the last page twice the second time with tears of joy!

Just two things.  I thought that the Julian Calendar was 12 days behind the Georgian not 10 in the 19 century.  And I thought that Ella bequeathed Illinskoye to Grand Duke Dmitri Pavolovich.  I never heard that she sold it.

Also, somehow I never knew that Alice (mother of Philip, Duke of Edinburgh) was deaf.  But then I was never very interested in that branch of the family.

Thank you again for all of your hard work.  And for producing a "keep me awake until I'm finished" book.

Russka Princess - It would seem that Victoria of Hesse was intrigued by Louis when she was 5 and he was 12.  I think that the love grew slowly for her as she was so young, but he seems to have seen something in her even with the great age difference.  Of course, Louis did have other affaires besides Lilly Langtry, but the only child was Lilly's and that seems, as Theresa would have Queen Victoria say, "mysterious".  Lilly was such a larger than life figure in her own right.

As far as I have read, and that is not as much a Theresa of course, Victoria did not have any big "crushes" on any other boys or men as she grew older.

Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on September 25, 2008, 03:18:42 PM
to Alixz:



Yeah but can you plase tell me what has bring you to cry on the end of the  book ??  Was teh end of Vickys dead ?

Stand something  about Louis of  Battenbergs Death ? i has read that he was died  in a club, while vicky was in the apothecary  to get medicine or Louis.  athst right ?
Im sure it was a big shcok or Victoria, than she saw that he is dead.

But louis has loose his heart to Victoria. Was Dicki a planned child ?? cause you has read teh book, and mabe there stand somethingabout the last child.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alixz on September 26, 2008, 02:37:25 PM
Russka Princess:

I would love to help you, but I don't want to spoil the book for those who haven't bought it yet.

The book doesn't end with Victoria's death, and goes quite a way past Louis's.  And yes, Louis did die while Victoria was at the apothecary getting some medication for him.  I have always felt bad that she wasn't with him at the end.

Actually it has a very satisfying and happy ending in 1948. It was Theresa's way of ending it that made me cry with tears of joy.  Not sorrow.  Her ending was beautiful and I hope that you can read it sometime.

It actually ends after the birth of Prince Charles Philip Arthur George - the current Prince of Wales.

I will pm you when I have time and give you the compete story so as not to spoil it for anyone else who has yet to read it.   :-)

Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on September 26, 2008, 03:19:59 PM


to Alixz:

oh that great, thanks, i  would love it!^^

i think  vicky was very unhappy, after she saw that louis is died. He couldnt todl her goodbye.. =(
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on October 15, 2008, 06:29:51 PM
Well, someone at Amazon was paying attention and paired my book with Janet Ashton's... fictional memoirs of Ella and VMH!!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on October 19, 2008, 11:33:03 AM
Somebody shoot me... I meant that Janet Ashton's is a fictional memoir of ALIX!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Taren on October 25, 2008, 02:06:53 PM
My site did a review of The Royal Mob http://thechickmanifesto.blogspot.com/2008/10/royal-mob-by-theresa-sherman.html (http://thechickmanifesto.blogspot.com/2008/10/royal-mob-by-theresa-sherman.html). I thought it was fantastic -and will confess to crying on the last page as well. Theresa, I've emailed you about it, but want to thank you again for giving me the opportunity to write about your book!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on October 25, 2008, 02:27:44 PM
Thats great, i has read it already about  taht with Taren.

But i wihs the book "the royal mob" would be in German too. I wish it so much. =(

Theresa Sherman: Do you know if wil the book be in German too ?  that would be great! because   soon i will be eighteen and i wnst by me this book with my Money that i have from my Work.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 25, 2008, 07:32:55 PM
Thats great, i has read it already about  taht with Taren.

But i wihs the book "the royal mob" would be in German too. I wish it so much. =(

Theresa Sherman: Do you know if wil the book be in German too ?  that would be great! because   soon i will be eighteen and i wnst by me this book with my Money that i have from my Work.

Theresa is actually with me at the moment - she wanted me to pass on to you that there are currently no plans to publish her book in any other languages.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on October 26, 2008, 09:13:38 AM
Oh ok, thanks, but if you know if someday will be it in German than plase tell it to me ok ?

thanks.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on October 27, 2008, 07:04:45 PM
Thanks, I hope it will happen, but I don't think so.

Oh, and many thanks to Taren for the truly wonderful review.  I'm extremely happy!!!!
Hugs to you....
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on November 29, 2008, 11:57:02 AM
...so, a friend of mine handed the book to someone who is head of the TV division of a major studio here in LA.  Though this is a billion to one chance, I got to thinking... how would I cast this??

I did come up with two actors for Louis and Victoria...

What do you guys think of Jeremy Northam as Louis Battenberg and Cate Blanchett as VMH?  Who would you cast???
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on December 01, 2008, 11:32:03 AM
...so, a friend of mine handed the book to someone who is head of the TV division of a major studio here in LA.  Though this is a billion to one chance, I got to thinking... how would I cast this??

I did come up with two actors for Louis and Victoria...

What do you guys think of Jeremy Northam as Louis Battenberg and Cate Blanchett as VMH?  Who would you cast???

 dou mean that they could make a Movie about  the book or what ? that would be great!!!

and i think the Jeremy Northam and Cate Blanchett are great! they look like Louis and Victoria.
i hope so that he could make a movie about them. ^^
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Theresa Sherman on December 01, 2008, 04:59:48 PM
I highly doubt they will, I just thought it would be fun for us to cast it....

I suppose, however, stranger things have been filmed.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alexander1917 on December 15, 2008, 06:39:26 PM
Not only are we going to be blessed with Ilana's non-fiction book on VMH (yay!) but there's a fictional work on VMH as well. It's  called The Royal Mob, and should also be out this summer through Publish America. It's by name Theresa Sherman (a pen name of a non-fiction author). Between these 2 books, Robert Alexander's book on Ella and Janet Ashton's book it's shaping up to be a very Hessian year!

whats the name of this non-fiction book?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ilana on December 15, 2008, 09:12:12 PM
My biography of the four sisters with emphasis on VMH and Irene is called The Four GracesL Queen Victoria's Hessian Granddaughters.  It will be published by Kensington House publishers.  I am not sure when it is coming out.  I hope you will enjoy it when it does.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Alexander1917 on December 16, 2008, 06:24:21 AM
many thanks!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on January 05, 2009, 11:31:38 AM
 Important!!

"If somebody knows whether "The royal mob by Theresa Sherman" into German is translated, then please please writes with a mail and says give. Thank you to thanks to thanks this is very important for me. Thank you very much!!"

Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ilana on January 05, 2009, 01:16:30 PM
I'm sorry Russka Princess, but it won't be.  It's an online publisher who would sell the rights to a German publisher, but would not translate it themselves.  Perhaps when your English is better you'll be able to read it in English! I hope you'll get the opportunity.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on January 05, 2009, 01:27:02 PM
yeah thanks,

i know that 'Therisa Sherman cant do that. But mabe somebody else can translated it.  or ??
well..

thanks..

i will looking forward..
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on January 18, 2009, 07:35:10 AM
So I read just the "the royal mob" and it is miraculous! especially wittily I find that it puts where Ella, victoria and Louis on boot are and sing "row row row a bout", I find this very witty. And if Victoria with her sisters is together, one sees as near and funny them were. The love scene with Louis is also quite sweet! fully romantically, particularly start where, nevertheless, they hurt ma ankle has and he maintains them. I know this book is only devised, nobody knows whether Victoria and Louis really so affectionately to each other were. But I find it is great. Louis seems in diesesn book so charmingly, wittily and affectionately. Book simply wonderfully this!!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ilana on January 20, 2009, 02:35:39 PM
Thank you so much Russka Princess... I'm glad you had the opportunity to read it, esp. since it was in English.  I guess your English is better than you thought!  Good for you.  Would you be kind enough to write a review on Amazon (if that's where you got the book)?  I would so appreciate it!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on January 21, 2009, 11:04:25 AM
of course !! i make itl.

I did cry in the scene where Louis died.. poor victoria.. she did loose her first love.. but i love the romantic scene between louis and victoria. its seems they were really happy cause they laughed often toegther.

but i would be interestet when the book " the four Graces" coming out ?

the letters in the book " the Royal Mob" are great, Louis´s letter to his Parents is so romantic.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ilana on January 21, 2009, 11:13:17 AM
That letter is in LOUIS & VICTORIA, which is why I could use it in the novel.

The Four Graces will be out this year....I hope you'll enjoy it and thanks for posting the review!!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Helen on February 13, 2009, 07:01:19 AM
JPC and various other online shops now offer  "The Angel Princess", a biographical fairy tale about Grand Duchess Alice of Hesse by Edward W. Darby :
 
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/books/detail/-/art/Edward%20W.%20Darby%3A%20The%20Angel%20Princess/buchnum/137124107?rk=books&rsk=hitlist

Details of this brochure:
Language: English
24 pages including the title page etc.
Illustrations: a facsimile letter from the Empress Alexandra of Russia to the author
ISBN-10: 3-8370-8207-5
ISBN-13: 9783837082074
Publisher: BoD, Norderstedt, Germany

Cover text:
"The Angel Princess" by Edward W. Darby is a unique, short fairy tale for children and adults, written in the early 1890s. It tells the life story of Grand Duchess Alice of Hesse and by Rhine (1843-1878), the second daughter of Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom and her husband, Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. In touching words, Edward W. Darby describes how the 'angel princess' was a support to her family and brought them happiness, and how, despite personal grief, she devoted herself to the development and welfare of her new home, the Grand Duchy of Hesse.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on February 17, 2009, 07:58:05 PM
Sounds like an interesting book. How much is it?

It's not on Amazon.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Helen on February 18, 2009, 08:37:20 AM
Sounds like an interesting book. How much is it?

It's not on Amazon.
It's EUR 4.90 and available from the German Amazon site as well as other on line shops.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on February 18, 2009, 03:03:15 PM
Is it available on any Canadian/ American sites?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on June 11, 2009, 02:56:15 PM

NEWS: The book will soon be available.

"Briefe der Zarin Alexandra von Russland an ihre Jugendfreundin Toni Becker-Bracht"

ISBN: 978-3-8370-9884-6
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Helen on August 07, 2009, 11:42:36 AM
The letters of Alexandra to her friend Toni Becker ("Briefe der Zarin Alexandra von Russland an ihre Jugendfreundin Toni Becker-Bracht" ;
ISBN 978-3-8370-9884-6) are available now.  Almost all letters are written in the German language.

The publisher is Books on Demand. The book is available directly from Books on Demand at http://www.bod.de/index.php?id=1132&objk_id=209980 . It is also - or very soon will be - available from various on line bookshops, such as www.bol.de and www.amazon.de.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: joerookery on October 12, 2009, 07:38:15 AM
This is a selfish plug for a resource that you might find interesting.  While the book might be of great interest,  Chapter 2 in particular has a great deal of information and pictures from postcards of Imperial German royalty. I will put this in three different discussion areas as the areas and royal families are diverse.
They have started selling this book rather rapidly even though amazingly, we just received our copy! A number of people have been very kind in their words awaiting this release. You can buy it for $25 from the publisher online. They have a printer in England which should help the postage costs somewhat. So I guess if you order from Europe they have told me they would print it in England. If you buy it from the online retailers it will cost $30.

 http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=60521

The purpose of this book is to provide a one-volume resource for collectors and historians with an Imperial German army interest. The more we researched, the more we found there were more stories, myths and misunderstandings about Imperial Germany than there were facts. Different authors addressed different aspects: collectors, historians and educators all had their own area of expertise, but there was no readily available resource to give a general overview of Imperial Germany. Though it is convenient to call it "Germany," at the start of the First World War, there was still no united Germany, no German army, and no German officer corps. At 333 pages with 183 pictures and over 670 footnotes, this is an attempt to explain the intricacies of how the country worked -- militarily, politically and socially.

If you order it online: When you get to step three the requirement for your e-mail address is buried in the middle of the form. If you do not put in an e-mail address it will hang up. Janet and I are just shaking our heads, figuring that the review copies, and the general public will have theirs before we get ours!

(http://www.pickelhauben.net/averta/images/book2/cover2_800.jpg)
(http://www.pickelhauben.net/averta/images/book2/toc1.jpg)
(http://www.pickelhauben.net/averta/images/book2/toc2.jpg)
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Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 12, 2009, 01:49:13 PM
Where can I order it ?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: joerookery on October 12, 2009, 01:59:54 PM
Just click on the link and order from the publisher.  It seems to go pretty fast.

 http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=60521
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: kmerov on March 29, 2010, 07:02:42 PM
Has anyone heard of "Fürstenkinder", a book with portraits of mainly Hesse children?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 30, 2010, 02:05:12 AM

Yes I bought it just recently - it is an exhibition catalogue. Very pretty and countless portraits unknown to me (some are misidentified tho').
There was also published a calendar which has a blue cover. Be careful so as not to mix the two up =)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: grandduchessella on March 30, 2010, 08:16:47 AM
Yes, it's a very nice book. It pops up frequently on Ebay for (shock!) not outrageous prices. I think it's still available through Amazon as well. I had ordered it through Interlibrary Loan myself.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: José on March 30, 2010, 10:27:41 AM
Are you referring to this one ?

http://www.libroco.it/cgi-bin/dettaglio.cgi/codiceweb=771181851736566/9783865683830/Furstenkinder--Portrats-vom-16-bis-21-Jahrhundert-im-Hause-Hessen/Miller-markus--Dobler--Andreas--Klossel--Christine--Rasmussen--Mikael-Bogh/Michael-Imhof-Verlag.html
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 30, 2010, 10:51:48 AM
This looks interesting. Did you order it yourself ?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: kmerov on April 05, 2010, 06:19:02 PM
Are you referring to this one ?

http://www.libroco.it/cgi-bin/dettaglio.cgi/codiceweb=771181851736566/9783865683830/Furstenkinder--Portrats-vom-16-bis-21-Jahrhundert-im-Hause-Hessen/Miller-markus--Dobler--Andreas--Klossel--Christine--Rasmussen--Mikael-Bogh/Michael-Imhof-Verlag.html

Yes thats the catalogue we are talking about.

Thanks for your replies. I just received it and it does look great with many portraits, and nice text aswell.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: richard_1990 on September 10, 2010, 01:46:43 AM
Is the family still around today?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 10, 2010, 10:34:27 AM
Of course. The family under the head of he family Prince Moritz of Hesse is alive and well. The Hesse & By Rhine line had died out in the male line, but continued under the Mountbatten line in England.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: LisaG on January 24, 2011, 04:32:33 PM
So EXCITED -- I found "Hessian Tapestry" on AbeBooks.com for less than $50, and that includes shipping.  Woo!
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Martyn on October 12, 2011, 12:28:45 PM
I might have dreeamt this but I seem to recollect that some years back there was some talk of a biography of Ernie in the pipeline......and I feel certain that someone mentioned Greg King....anyone know anything about this or did I really dream it?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: grandduchessella on October 12, 2011, 12:52:41 PM
Yes, it was mentioned at least as far back as 2004. It seems that it hasn't gone much further as several other books took precedence. Greg once wrote about it--I can't remember whether it was permanently back-burnered or just awaiting more interest from a publisher before proceeding any further.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Martyn on October 12, 2011, 12:56:00 PM
That's a shame.  He would be the perfect person to tackle such a project and it is high time that we had a decent scholarly work about Ernie.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2011, 09:18:16 AM
I second that. Ernie was a great character to be written about. His involvement with Ducky & Anna Anderson made him a very interesting figure to find out the truth about. Who knows maybe one day I could do it...but we will be talking about years. :-)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Martyn on October 13, 2011, 11:57:40 AM
Seriously?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2011, 02:39:12 PM
Why not ? I did research work in Windsor & Darmstadt before...
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Martyn on October 13, 2011, 04:23:18 PM
Well why not put your money where your mouth is and go for it then?  ;)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: grandduchessella on October 13, 2011, 09:49:18 PM
I couldn't find the messsage/post that stated why the book had gone by the wayside but I did find this post from Penny in regards to a comment I made:

Quote
I just wish the Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig one hadn't fallen away. One can always dream, I suppose.  :)

I wouldn't worry too much!   King and Wilson will ride again soon -- and Ernst Ludwig could well be part of things!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 14, 2011, 01:44:05 AM
Why not ? I did research work in Windsor & Darmstadt before...

Don't bother, we can do without another book full of mistakes.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Ilana on October 14, 2011, 10:18:11 AM
Think it would be fine to mention here, if people don't go over to the book section that my book about the 4 Hessian sisters, The Four Graces: Queen Victoria's Hessian Granddaughters is now available. Well, just thought I'd say....
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Helen on October 14, 2011, 11:43:32 AM
That's a shame.  He would be the perfect person to tackle such a project and it is high time that we had a decent scholarly work about Ernie.
Actually, I think we do already have a decent scholarly work about Ernst Ludwig: Dr. Manfred Knodt's biography covers many aspects of his life in detail. Manfred Knodt also co-authored "The Romanovs - Love Power & Tragedy".
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Janet Ashton on October 14, 2011, 06:01:03 PM
That's a shame.  He would be the perfect person to tackle such a project and it is high time that we had a decent scholarly work about Ernie.
Actually, I think we do already have a decent scholarly work about Ernst Ludwig: Dr. Manfred Knodt's biography covers many aspects of his life in detail.

It's a great book, but is in German, which many people on this forum probably don't read. An English bio would have to be written by someone who had the conflicting (?) abilities that they understand and can translate German, can afford - in whatever way - to spend years on such a project, and had the necessary level of interest.  



Manfred Knodt also co-authored "The Romanovs - Love Power & Tragedy".

Yes, but this isn't really a scholarly work. Scholarship is about much more than the ability to unearth obscure personal material and hash it together with some convenient propaganda - and that to me is all this book does.  Along with a bunch of other royal biographies.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Janet Ashton on October 14, 2011, 06:17:04 PM
Why not ? I did research work in Windsor & Darmstadt before...

The Royal Archive controls the use people make of sources quite tightly. If you plan to write some conspiracy theory about Anna Anderson I think you can bet that it wouldn't be published with their consent. There is more to Ernest Ludwig than the stuff you'll find in these archives; you'd need to be reading obscure published sources and also the material in various national archives which enlighten his political role in his sister Alix's reign and that of Wilhelm II, as well as the work he did as Grand Duke of Hesse. 
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Post by: Helen on October 15, 2011, 02:18:04 AM
Manfred Knodt also co-authored "The Romanovs - Love Power & Tragedy".
Yes, but this isn't really a scholarly work. Scholarship is about much more than the ability to unearth obscure personal material and hash it together with some convenient propaganda - and that to me is all this book does.  Along with a bunch of other royal biographies.
:) I know. I mentioned this book just to point out that readers may have come across this author's name before. Whereas "Love, Power and tragedy" is not a scholarly work at all - not by long shot - Knodt's biography of Ernst Ludwig is several classes above, a well-researched work,  rich in details and free of unsubstantiated personal interpretations/convenient propaganda, and I find it a most useful book of reference, although he could have explored certain aspects of Ernst Ludwig´s private life in greater detail. But, yes, it's in German and, unfortunately, not yet translated into English or French, as far as I know.
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Post by: Helen on October 15, 2011, 02:54:25 AM
An English bio would have to be written by someone who had the conflicting (?) abilities that they understand and can translate German, can afford - in whatever way - to spend years on such a project, and had the necessary level of interest.   
There is more to Ernest Ludwig than the stuff you'll find in these archives; you'd need to be reading obscure published sources and also the material in various national archives which enlighten his political role in his sister Alix's reign and that of Wilhelm II, as well as the work he did as Grand Duke of Hesse.  
Exactly. The funds required for such a project are such that a book publication will probably be uneconomic, unless the project is somehow subsidized - or paid for by the author himself - and the book is written at a level and in a style that appeals to a large reading public.

As regards published sources: It's not an obscure source, but readers who read German may find Egmont Zechlin's "Krieg und Kriegsrisiko" an interesting source; it's about German politics during WWI and also covers some of Ernst Ludwig's actions.
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Post by: Janet Ashton on October 15, 2011, 04:14:07 AM
Whereas "Love, Power and tragedy" is not a scholarly work at all - not by long shot - Knodt's biography of Ernst Ludwig is several classes above, a well-researched work,  rich in details and free of unsubstantiated personal interpretations/convenient propaganda, and I find it a most useful book of reference, although he could have explored certain aspects of Ernst Ludwig´s private life in greater detail.

Marlene [Eilers Koenig] has said in the past that Dr Knodt spoke to her more freely about Ernst's personal life than he was able to write about it. As you probably know, he felt that Ernst was bisexual rather than homosexual, as he had uncovered evidence of illegitimate children. Given that and the unsavoury suggestions in other sources of an interest in young boys, it seems to me that EL was -at least in youth - a highly-sexed man who liked to try everything!
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Post by: Janet Ashton on October 15, 2011, 04:38:19 AM
P.S. To Helen, but for public consumption too - the tone of Ernst's letters to Nicholas which appear in your book amused me for their similarity to Alix's: "Don't think I am meddling, but I just HAD to say this!" The whole family was prone to hand out constant streams of advice on politics and everything, much though some of them - including Ernst himself - later claimed that Alix was an aberration under the influence of worry and Rasputin!  I still find him very interesting, but I think that people who expect him to be nice, sad, cuddly "Ernie" need to let go of that idea.
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Post by: Helen on October 15, 2011, 08:55:39 AM
Whereas "Love, Power and tragedy" is not a scholarly work at all - not by long shot - Knodt's biography of Ernst Ludwig is several classes above, a well-researched work,  rich in details and free of unsubstantiated personal interpretations/convenient propaganda, and I find it a most useful book of reference, although he could have explored certain aspects of Ernst Ludwig´s private life in greater detail.
Marlene [Eilers Koenig] has said in the past that Dr Knodt spoke to her more freely about Ernst's personal life than he was able to write about it. As you probably know, he felt that Ernst was bisexual rather than homosexual, as he had uncovered evidence of illegitimate children. Given that and the unsavoury suggestions in other sources of an interest in young boys, it seems to me that EL was -at least in youth - a highly-sexed man who liked to try everything!
The one time when I had arranged a time and place to meet Dr Knodt in the late 1980s, something unforeseen occurred and we couldn't reschedule the engagement before my stay in Darmstadt ended; I've never met him personally, much to my regret.

Dr Knodt clearly chose not to discuss Ernst Ludwig's sexual inclination or marital problems in his book, which is understandable, I think, as such a discussion would probably have distracted too much attention from other aspects of his life. Knodt was most likely right about Ernst Ludwig being bisexual: Ernst Ludwig's marriage with Eleonore seemed to work, while, if one reads between the lines, the letters in my book provide the names of several male bisexual/homosexual friends, and there's strong evidence that Ernst Ludwig had an intimate relationship with at least one of them, evidence that Dr Knodt must have seen, too.
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Post by: Martyn on October 15, 2011, 09:37:02 AM
P.S. To Helen, but for public consumption too - the tone of Ernst's letters to Nicholas which appear in your book amused me for their similarity to Alix's: "Don't think I am meddling, but I just HAD to say this!" The whole family was prone to hand out constant streams of advice on politics and everything, much though some of them - including Ernst himself - later claimed that Alix was an aberration under the influence of worry and Rasputin!

Hardly surpsrising, seeing as they had probably been on the receiving end of advice from QV for years!  Learned behaviour sans doute....

 
I still find him very interesting, but I think that people who expect him to be nice, sad, cuddly "Ernie" need to let go of that idea.

Quite so, Janet.  This is exactly why we need something in print that explores his complex and interesting nature, as well as all the different aspects of his life.
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Post by: Helen on October 15, 2011, 10:28:08 AM
The whole family was prone to hand out constant streams of advice on politics and everything, much though some of them - including Ernst himself - later claimed that Alix was an aberration under the influence of worry and Rasputin!
Indeed, there was a lot of hypocrisy among them.
I'm not sure what to think of Ernst Ludwig's letter of advice of 26 September/9 October 1905; it's of course an informal letter, and English was not his native language, but the whole letter strikes me as rather simple, almost childlike.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2011, 02:14:27 PM
I think it is possible to write more honest account about Ernie since the whole family has passed away.
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Post by: Marlene on January 20, 2012, 01:55:31 PM

He did - to use an American expression, Ernie apparently played for both teams.    More seriously, Ernie does not come off well in Dearest Missy  in comments by Grand Duchess Marie to Marie regarding Ernie's inability to be interested in sex with women.

Whereas "Love, Power and tragedy" is not a scholarly work at all - not by long shot - Knodt's biography of Ernst Ludwig is several classes above, a well-researched work,  rich in details and free of unsubstantiated personal interpretations/convenient propaganda, and I find it a most useful book of reference, although he could have explored certain aspects of Ernst Ludwig´s private life in greater detail.

Marlene [Eilers Koenig] has said in the past that Dr Knodt spoke to her more freely about Ernst's personal life than he was able to write about it. As you probably know, he felt that Ernst was bisexual rather than homosexual, as he had uncovered evidence of illegitimate children. Given that and the unsavoury suggestions in other sources of an interest in young boys, it seems to me that EL was -at least in youth - a highly-sexed man who liked to try everything!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2012, 01:00:33 PM
I think once Ducky's letters to Missy is published, the real reason behind their marriage will be revealed. Heard a snippet of that from John Wimbles in RD Weekend. She comes off more of a desperate person that the one presented. She really tried to understand Ernie, but failed.
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Post by: tilki48 on January 26, 2012, 07:33:28 PM
The whole family was prone to hand out constant streams of advice on politics and everything, much though some of them - including Ernst himself - later claimed that Alix was an aberration under the influence of worry and Rasputin!
Indeed, there was a lot of hypocrisy among them.
I'm not sure what to think of Ernst Ludwig's letter of advice of 26 September/9 October 1905; it's of course an informal letter, and English was not his native language, but the whole letter strikes me as rather simple, almost childlike.

Guess, the letter Ernst Ludwig wrote to Nicholas on 26 September/9 October 1905 mostly was an information for reliability, because the Grand Duke had some experience with motor-cars and car-demolishing. Also he knew that there always was danger for the tsar by assassin, so he gave safety-advices as a good friend, and probaply tried to sell one or more hessian Opel-Cars to the tsar. Even Ernst Ludwigs suggestion for publishing more private information about the daily life and the activities of the emperors family for general welfare reflects Ernst Ludwigs interest, to change the image of the tsaristic family and to bring them nearer to the people. It is sure an informal and quick written letter and reflects Ernst Ludwigs sorrow and thoughtfulness for the well-being of his relatives.
But why do you think: „English was not his native language“ ? It was Ernst Ludwigs mother tongue and I guess, he also spoke English with Victoria Melita usulally. The letters and postcards from India he wrote to his daughter are in English language.
Dear Mister Knodt I did not know nearer, but saw and listened him sometimes speaking about the Grand Duke, alltimes with commanding respect. Knodt was the son of a very conservative lutheran pastor and conservative himself. He sure knew all the rumor, gossip and more or less half-truth „wild stories“, which where told in Darmstadt in former times about Ernst Ludwig; but he was to much gentleman for telling something clearly and i am very skeptic, what he really knew substantial about Ernst Ludwigs sexual preferences.
Please excuse my school-like English and being an "electronic-illiterate"
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Post by: Helen on January 27, 2012, 05:11:18 AM
Dear Mister Knodt I did not know nearer, but saw and listened him sometimes speaking about the Grand Duke, alltimes with commanding respect. Knodt was the son of a very conservative lutheran pastor and conservative himself. He sure knew all the rumor, gossip and more or less half-truth „wild stories“, which where told in Darmstadt in former times about Ernst Ludwig; but he was to much gentleman for telling something clearly and i am very skeptic, what he really knew substantial about Ernst Ludwigs sexual preferences.
I'm aware of Dr Knodt's background and fully respect his decision not to address Ernst Ludwig's sexual preferences or marital problems in his book. Although we may never know what he knew and what he suspected, while working at the Hessisches Staatsarchiv in Darmstadt, he may have come across a specific item including explicit statements that remove any doubts. There is evidence that the rumors and gossip were more than just that and had elements of truth in them and that Ernst Ludwig himself contributed to his marital problems.

But why do you think: „English was not his native language“ ? It was Ernst Ludwigs mother tongue and I guess, he also spoke English with Victoria Melita usulally. The letters and postcards from India he wrote to his daughter are in English language.
Sure! Ernst Ludwig conversed and wrote in English with several of his relatives, but his father's language was German. He was also grand duke of a German state and, as a consequence, must have spoken German with dozens and dozens of people every day and have read and written all kinds of official documents in German every day. And he wrote his poetry in German, not in English, if I'm not mistaken. This German background shows in his letter of 26 September/9 October 1905; his command of the German language must have been considerably better than the command of the English language he showed in this letter.

Guess, the letter Ernst Ludwig wrote to Nicholas on 26 September/9 October 1905 mostly was an information for reliability, because the Grand Duke had some experience with motor-cars and car-demolishing. Also he knew that there always was danger for the tsar by assassin, so he gave safety-advices as a good friend, and probaply tried to sell one or more hessian Opel-Cars to the tsar. Even Ernst Ludwigs suggestion for publishing more private information about the daily life and the activities of the emperors family for general welfare reflects Ernst Ludwigs interest, to change the image of the tsaristic family and to bring them nearer to the people. It is sure an informal and quick written letter and reflects Ernst Ludwigs sorrow and thoughtfulness for the well-being of his relatives.
I'm aware of the fact that the Grand Duke's advice was meant well, but that doesn't alter the fact that this particular letter strikes me as rather simple anyway. It's probably a combination of Ernst Ludwig's wording and the contents of his advice that creates this impression.
Ernst Ludwig was stating the obvious when he suggested that the Tsar buy at least two different cars for security reasons. As security was such an issue at the Russian court, one would think that this thought had already occurred to those involved.
And although his remarks about legislation on foreign investments in Russia make sense, they do make me wonder whether the Tsar and his ministers hadn't already considered his arguments and hadn't already made some cost-benefit analyses.

It's off topic, but I was surprised that, according to Ernst Ludwig, Hesse saw its 'income' increase by 10% from 1875 to 1905, i.e. in 30 years. Ernst Ludwig does not specify the method used to calculate this income - does he refer to gross national product? A 10% increase in 30 years seems to suggest a rather low economic growth rate, when compared to historical GNP data for my own country or for the US or Tsarist Russia in that same era.
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Post by: Thomas_Hesse on February 07, 2012, 02:47:51 AM
Quote from: tilki48 on January 26, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
But why do you think: „English was not his native language“ ? It was Ernst Ludwigs mother tongue and I guess, he also spoke English with Victoria Melita usulally. The letters and postcards from India he wrote to his daughter are in English language.

Sure! Ernst Ludwig conversed and wrote in English with several of his relatives, but his father's language was German. He was also grand duke of a German state and, as a consequence, must have spoken German with dozens and dozens of people every day and have read and written all kinds of official documents in German every day. And he wrote his poetry in German, not in English, if I'm not mistaken. This German background shows in his letter of 26 September/9 October 1905; his command of the German language must have been considerably better than the command of the English language he showed in this letter.

Like his sister Grand Duchess Elisaveta Ernst Ludwig had massive problems concerning grammar/spelling in his childhood. Both of them stayed with what I call "strange terms" of writing throughout their life.
As for the English/German thing: there was a very strong English influence in the New Palace - including Princess Alice, Mrs. Orchard and Jackson. This left its mark on the girls (in a letter to her father Princess Ella says "sorry for writing in English to you but I am in a hurry") but Helen is right saying that Ernst Ludwig being the heir had a more "germanic" upbringing.
Writing his poetry in German might be due to the fact that he was influenced by many German authors of the time such as Unruh etc.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 07, 2012, 01:03:32 PM
I do wonder if there are any publication of Ernie's letters and diaries in German ? (that is other than the Alexandra one).
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Post by: Helen on February 07, 2012, 02:43:55 PM
It seems he didn´t keep a diary, except during some shorter periods of time during WWI. As far as I know, these wartime diaries have not been published.

"Friede durch geistige Erneuerung. Fritz von Unruh und Grossherzog Ernst Ludwig von Hessen" , edited by Eckhart G. Franz and published by Justus Liebig Verlag in Darmstadt in 1987, includes a small number of letters written by Ernst Ludwig to Fritz von Unruh.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 07, 2012, 04:56:22 PM
Sounds interesting. Love to know what he wrote to his men friends.
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Post by: perdita on November 16, 2012, 10:13:45 AM

He did - to use an American expression, Ernie apparently played for both teams.    More seriously, Ernie does not come off well in Dearest Missy  in comments by Grand Duchess Marie to Marie regarding Ernie's inability to be interested in sex with women.

Whereas "Love, Power and tragedy" is not a scholarly work at all - not by long shot - Knodt's biography of Ernst Ludwig is several classes above, a well-researched work,  rich in details and free of unsubstantiated personal interpretations/convenient propaganda, and I find it a most useful book of reference, although he could have explored certain aspects of Ernst Ludwig´s private life in greater detail.

Marlene [Eilers Koenig] has said in the past that Dr Knodt spoke to her more freely about Ernst's personal life than he was able to write about it. As you probably know, he felt that Ernst was bisexual rather than homosexual, as he had uncovered evidence of illegitimate children. Given that and the unsavoury suggestions in other sources of an interest in young boys, it seems to me that EL was -at least in youth - a highly-sexed man who liked to try everything!

It would be interesting to hear Ernest Ludwig's version of events--i.e., Victoria Melita as wife & consort to Ernest Ludwig.

Apparently, Victoria Melita did not come off well in the eyes of her daughter, Princess Elizabeth of Hesse. The little girl adored her father. Her mother NO.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2012, 10:57:14 AM
Ernie was the most expressive parent, that does not mean that Ducky did not love her daughter.

I read that Ernst wrote his memoirs. Were they published ?
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Post by: perdita on November 16, 2012, 11:47:51 AM
Ernest Ludwig was Lord Mountbatten's uncle.  

In Pamela Mountbatten Hick's new book "Daughter of Empire" she decribes her visits with her father's uncle Ernest Ludwig & second wife Eleonore as a very happy experience. She charaterizes Ernest as inventive and fun loving and his second wife "Oner" as "extremely kind and patient".  

Although it was said Victoria of Battenberg was an egalitarian who didn't take royalty seriously, she is described by her granddaughter as more imperious than previously thought.

Pamela Hicks on her Mountbatten matriarch grandmother, Victoria, Marchioness of Milford Haven:

"Even though the king had turned her into a marchioness, she was still a princess in the eyes of her family. My father always kissed her hand before kissing her on the check. As children we didn't think much of her royal starus, but on one motifying occasion, before breakfast, Grandmother called my sister over and said; 'Patricia, dear child, you know all my OTHER granddaughters give me a little curtsey when they say good morning and goodnight.'  In point of fact we also kissed her hand and courtsied, but Patricia must have been a little stiff-kneed that weekend. So rare was it for Grandmama to show any disapproval towards us that ever after my sister's bob was so low she was almost on the floor."

It's unlikely royalty stickler Victoria's younger sister the Empress Alexandra would have remonstrated a granddaughter for not remembering her royal status in a private setting.
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Post by: perdita on November 16, 2012, 12:05:24 PM
Ernie was the most expressive parent, that does not mean that Ducky did not love her daughter.

I read that Ernst wrote his memoirs. Were they published ?

Ernest Ludwig wrote his memoirs for archival use. Not sure his reminiscences were published. (?)

Apparently, Princess Elizabeth did question her mother's love. Of course, that doesn't mean Victoria Melita didn't love her daughter. However, Princess Elizabeth's angst attitude towards her mother suggests that the AWOL Victoria Melita's priorities were not centered on her duties to Hesse-Darmstadts, her husband, or daughter.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2012, 04:43:56 PM
I think Ducky was too young to be a mother and the only example she had was Marie Coburg, who wasn't very expressive in her feelings. So even if Ducky loved her daughter dearly, she wouldn't be able to show it. Ducky had a lot on her plate and may not be as diligent as Ernie in her demonstration, but that is too hasty to say that she did not love her daughter.
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Post by: Janet Ashton on November 16, 2012, 04:53:09 PM

Although it was said Victoria of Battenberg was an egalitarian who didn't take royalty seriously, she is described by her granddaughter as more imperious than previously thought.

Pamela Hicks on her Mountbatten matriarch grandmother, Victoria, Marchioness of Milford Haven:

"Even though the king had turned her into a marchioness, she was still a princess in the eyes of her family. My father always kissed her hand before kissing her on the check. As children we didn't think much of her royal starus, but on one motifying occasion, before breakfast, Grandmother called my sister over and said; 'Patricia, dear child, you know all my OTHER granddaughters give me a little curtsey when they say good morning and goodnight.'  In point of fact we also kissed her hand and courtsied, but Patricia must have been a little stiff-kneed that weekend. So rare was it for Grandmama to show any disapproval towards us that ever after my sister's bob was so low she was almost on the floor."


Interesting - and quite in line with the Victoria who was scandalised when her nurse dropped the "Princess" before their names! (though she was still a child at the time, of course).

It was common for European children to show such marks of respect to elders in the early twentieth century, so Victoria might have been betraying her German roots as much as her royal ones in expecting this, but I think the idea of her as some sort of socialist was overplayed by Mountbatten and his "pet authors".  In the 1890s she wrote to Queen Victoria that she believed in gradual change for Russia, when the people were deemed ready, and the whole family was supportive of Grand Duke Serge's views on the need to go VERY slow  - see, for example, her brother's memoirs. Of course, everyone will say they believe slow change is better than revolution, but it's a standard conservative argument: "change will come, but only when we say so."

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2012, 08:00:32 AM
If only everybody can read Ernie's memoirs. I don't think it was published.
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Post by: Helen on November 17, 2012, 09:01:39 AM
Actually, they have been published, but only in German, I believe.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2012, 10:07:46 AM
Really ? That is news to me. Can I find in in Amazon.com in German ? Do you have a link or was it out of print ?
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Post by: Helen on November 17, 2012, 12:12:26 PM
Title: "Erinnertes. Aufzeichnungen des letzten Grossherzogs Ernst Ludwig von Hessen und bei Rhein"
Publisher: Eduard Roether Verlag, Darmstadt, 1983.
ISBN: 3-7929-0131-5.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2012, 01:54:46 PM
Thanks Helen !
Hope it is not out of print.
Will try Amazon.com Germany.
Appreciate it !
Eric
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Post by: perdita on November 18, 2012, 01:31:51 PM

Although it was said Victoria of Battenberg was an egalitarian who didn't take royalty seriously, she is described by her granddaughter as more imperious than previously thought.

Pamela Hicks on her Mountbatten matriarch grandmother, Victoria, Marchioness of Milford Haven:

"Even though the king had turned her into a marchioness, she was still a princess in the eyes of her family. My father always kissed her hand before kissing her on the check. As children we didn't think much of her royal starus, but on one motifying occasion, before breakfast, Grandmother called my sister over and said; 'Patricia, dear child, you know all my OTHER granddaughters give me a little curtsey when they say good morning and goodnight.'  In point of fact we also kissed her hand and courtsied, but Patricia must have been a little stiff-kneed that weekend. So rare was it for Grandmama to show any disapproval towards us that ever after my sister's bob was so low she was almost on the floor."


Interesting - and quite in line with the Victoria who was scandalised when her nurse dropped the "Princess" before their names! (though she was still a child at the time, of course).

It was common for European children to show such marks of respect to elders in the early twentieth century, so Victoria might have been betraying her German roots as much as her royal ones in expecting this, but I think the idea of her as some sort of socialist was overplayed by Mountbatten and his "pet authors".  In the 1890s she wrote to Queen Victoria that she believed in gradual change for Russia, when the people were deemed ready, and the whole family was supportive of Grand Duke Serge's views on the need to go VERY slow  - see, for example, her brother's memoirs. Of course, everyone will say they believe slow change is better than revolution, but it's a standard conservative argument: "change will come, but only when we say so."




Victoria of Battenberg & Ernest Ludwig mostly agreed with the Grand Duke Serge's point of view that "slow change" would be a necessity for Russia.

It is also a standard "Rules For Radicals" far left argument that: "Change will come, the way Marxist's 'social justice" arbitrates that it come, our way--or else." Post-revolutionary Marxist, Russia underwent massive change very rapidly culminating in unprecedented civil rights violations and the greatest mass slaughter in history. Russia remains a corrupt de facto KGB dictatorship to this day.

The Hesse family line had it that Victoria of Battenberg was "egalitarian". Hicks described her Grandmother as "enlightened coming from a long line of progressive thinkers". Victoria taught Lord Mountbatten herself until he was ten years old; "gifting him an education that was thorough and polymathic., she taught him to be open minded, methodical and thorough, and above all encouraged him to be enjoy learning, to enquire".
Hick's writes that her grandmother was entirely free of prejudice & was interested in all that was around her....a huge influence on her father's life and his "refreshing way of viewing the world".

i.e., Victoria of Battenberg was an inspiration to all in her family.

Hick's memoirs are not terribly illuminating. She recounts little that royal readers don't already know. Hicks is discreet--there are no shocking revelations, no details, very fitting for a former Lady-In-Waiting to the young Princess Elizabeth.  

Not uncommon with many young aristocrats of her day, Hick's found her High-Society mother Edwina Mountbatten trying--deficient & difficult.

Hick's confirms that her mother collected young men, found that pursuit exciting, and admitted that the ramifications were "messy and complex". According to Hicks when her father first heard that Edwina had acquired lovers, he was "devastated", but eventually as a result of, "their reserves of deep mutual affection, my parents managed to negotiate through this crisis and found a modus vitendi...It was my father's complete lack of jealousy and total desire for my mother's happiness that made their marriage work....he sought a practical solution to life's tricky problems."  

No doubt, it was also expedient to Mountbatten's interests; professionally, financially, & for the sake of his children, to come to terms with Edwina's proclivities & excesses.

Hick's writes as a young child she rarely saw her mother & that it was her nanny Vera who was the center of her universe. As it happened, the absentee Edwina and her lover "Bunny" Phillips would spend up to six months on their world tours. Hick's recounts it was difficult getting used to being back with her mother after she returned from her many adventures,--especially if lover "Bunny" wasn't around. Hick's remembers Edwina as "prickly", and that it was necessary to be very careful of what was said in her presence because "sometimes it was like treading, on egg-shells"--Edwina would be hurt "by the most unlikely things and then would sulk for hours afterwards". In contrast Hick's writes one could say anything one liked to her father, and that she adored living with him when he returned from his tours of duty..."My father was so inventive, constantly thinking up things that would make Patricia and me happy.'

Although Edwina had many lovers she was openly jealous of Mountbatten's romantic attachments and his close relationship with their elder daughter Patricia. Many family scenes resulted.

Hick's actually welcomed her mother's 'deep freindship of love and respect' with Nehru because it made her father's life so much easier. It seems, Edwina's "new found happiness" released Mouthbatten from the relentless late night recriminations. i.e.,--Whenever L.M. left his "huge pile of paperwork" to go up and say goodnight to Edwina he would be bombarded with a "long string of accusations". Her Ladyship accused her husband of not understanding her, of being rude to her, he didn't care about her, he wasn't sufficiently sympathetic to her needs, etc. Mountbatten was always sympathetic & apologized although it wasn't clear to him what exactly he had done. Apparently, subsequent to Edwina's friendship with Nehru it was simply "Goodnight, Dickie darling"--with a smile, & Mountbatten could then go to bed without a heavy heart.

Hick's is convinced Edwina Mountbatten's & Nehru's "affair' was not sexual in nature. (Lucky Nehru, considering.)

Hick's accepted Edwina Mountbatten--warts & all. Perhaps, influenced by her father's "refreshing" philosophy, this daughter of the empire expressed no apparent bitterness towards her mother. As with Elizabeth of Hesse, her chief attachment was for the father she loved.

Interestingly, Hick's admitted that her own marriage to David Hicks, while enduring, was "unothodox'.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2012, 02:22:13 PM
Not quite sure if it fits this thread. Mountbatten have a separate link in the Windsor thread. If nobody objects I would comment.

Cannot compare Hicks marriage with Elizabeth of Hesse, they are different women from different times with different expectations on marriage.

Edwina was an original, but so was Nada (an open lesbian). The fact that VMH both tolerated their antics spoke volumes about this great granddaughter of Queen Victoria.
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Post by: perdita on November 19, 2012, 10:10:19 AM
Not quite sure if it fits this thread. Mountbatten have a separate link in the Windsor thread. If nobody objects I would comment.

Cannot compare Hicks marriage with Elizabeth of Hesse, they are different women from different times with different expectations on marriage.

Edwina was an original, but so was Nada (an open lesbian). The fact that VMH both tolerated their antics spoke volumes about this great granddaughter of Queen Victoria.

Have no idea how "unorthodox" the Grand Duchess Elizabeth's marriage was.

There was no comparison intended between Hicks & the Grand Duchess Serge . The comparison meant was between Hick's "prickly" relationship with her mother Edwinda vs. the solid devotion she felt for her father Lord Mounbatten--AND Princess Elizabeth of Hesse's relationship with her parents AWOL Victoria Melita & Ernest Ludwig. There are many like examples--for instance, Olga Alexandrovna's distant & very difficult relationship with her social wirlwind mother the Empress Marie and the love, without reservations, she expressed for her hands-on father Alexander 111.

Edwina was no original. MANY British/International high-society women mimicked her deviant life style. Daisy Duchess of Warwick, Lady Randolph Churchill, "Missy" Queen of Rumania, Freda Dudley Ward (Marquessa de Casa Maury), Lady Alexandra Curzon-Metcalfe, Irene Curzon 3nd. Baroness Revensdale, Victoria Sackville-West, Daphne Marchioness of Bath, "Golden Girls" Guinness sisters, "Tilly" Losch Countess of Carnarvon, Paula long (Marquessa de Casa Maury), Diana Mitford Mosely, Pamela Churchill, Laura (Charteris) Duchess of Marborough, Ann (Charteris) Fleming,  Margaret (Whigham) Duchess of Argyll, Jeanne 6th Baroness of Camoys, Lady Caroline Paget, Thelma Vicountess Furness, Marie Pavlovna, Princess Natalie Paley, Gloria Vanderbuilt, Barbara Hutten, Caroline Blackwood, Ann Vicountess Rosse, Princess Di,...........---i.e., Too numerous to mention.

Arguably, Edwina Mountbatten & Nadejda Marchioness of Milford-Haven antics were tolerated by their royal husbands because the alternatives were too dire--socially, professionally, financially, children's prospects, etc. In George V & Queen Mary's day a divorced person still could not be presented in court. Note the fate of the otherwise respectable Vicountess Nancy Astor, excluded from court--but not from the friendship-aquaintance of Queen Mary & many royals.

A significant difference between Hicks vs. Marie Pavlovna, Edwina Mountbatten, & Princess Paley & ilk--was that Hicks is not a professional victim/whiner--CARPING.  ALWAYS lethal.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: grandduchessella on November 19, 2012, 11:53:04 AM
I would take the discussion onto the relevant thread--there are ones on the family. The discussion is really interesting but it goes beyond the scope of the Books thread.  :)

Perhaps the one on Edwina?

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=7199.15
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2012, 06:56:10 PM
I totally agree.  :)
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: VN on November 21, 2012, 03:36:16 AM
Thanks Helen !
Hope it is not out of print.
Will try Amazon.com Germany.
Appreciate it !
Eric



The book 'Erinnertes' is out of print . Just resently I asked the Lady at the Schlapp-Bookstore in DA. The book is very interesting, more to read than pictures.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 21, 2012, 10:09:47 AM
Sad...try to get second hand copies.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Janet Ashton on November 25, 2012, 01:12:36 PM


Victoria of Battenberg & Ernest Ludwig mostly agreed with the Grand Duke Serge's point of view that "slow change" would be a necessity for Russia.

It is also a standard "Rules For Radicals" far left argument that: "Change will come, the way Marxist's 'social justice" arbitrates that it come, our way--or else." Post-revolutionary Marxist, Russia underwent massive change very rapidly culminating in unprecedented civil rights violations and the greatest mass slaughter in history. Russia remains a corrupt de facto KGB dictatorship to this day.



I am not sure what you are arguing here. Serge Alexandrovich was not facing Marxism or a Bolshevik regime, but when such a regime did come it learned a lot from the Tsarist system.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 25, 2012, 09:56:20 PM
Don't think either VMH or Ernie was a good judge of Russian politics. I would rather think that their wise uncle Edward VII would have been more shrewd of the situation in Russia since he traveled there many times with his wife Alix while VMH and Ernie were just children. He did have some discussions with Tsar Alexander III (his brother-in-law) and under no illusion about Russia.
Title: Memoirs
Post by: Queen_Missy on January 08, 2015, 01:01:47 PM
Where can I get access to the memoirs written by Ernie, Victoria (Hesse-Milford-Haven) and Kirill Vladimirovich?
Thanks
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marie Valerie on January 09, 2015, 11:07:10 AM
Ernie's memoirs are in german and only available in second Hand.

Victoria M-H memories are unpublished and Kirill Vladimirovich's called "My Life in Russia's Service" and was reprinted 1995.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2015, 11:32:21 PM
Didn't know Ducky wrote memoirs ?
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marie Valerie on January 21, 2015, 09:55:15 AM
Victoria M-H = Victoria Milford-Haven
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 24, 2015, 12:07:08 AM
Think Ducky's letters merit a bio. She was so misunderstood.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Helen on March 16, 2015, 02:34:39 AM
Lotte Hoffmann-Kuhnt, who published the letters that Empress Alexandra Feodorovna of Russia wrote to her friend Tony Becker in 2009, has published a new book.
It includes correspondence between Dr. Ernst Becker and various members of the British Royal Family and of the Grand-Ducal House of Hesse - about 450 letters in total.

Dr. Ernst Becker (1826-1888) was the editor's great-grandfather. He worked as a tutor to Prince Albert Edward and Prince Alfred and as secretary and librarian to Prince Albert. He was also an enthusiastic photographer.
Later, he worked as a private secretary to Princess Alice and as Geheimer Kabinettsrat in Darmstadt. He was the father of Tony Becker.

Editor:        HOFFMANN-KUHNT, Lotte
Title:          Dr. Ernst Becker - Briefe aus einem Leben im Dienste von Queen Victoria und ihrer Familie
Publisher:    Cardamina Verlag (Plaidt, Germany)
ISBN:          978-3-86424-231-1
Language:   German
Page count: 630 pages

http://www.cardamina.net/artikeldetails.php?aid=496&sprache=2
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marie Valerie on July 09, 2015, 12:20:45 PM
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Die Wahl ist getroffen – Darmstädter Prinzessinnen in St. Petersburg

ISBN: 978-3-87390-356-2

http://liebig-verlag.de/produkt/die-wahl-ist-getroffen-darmstaedter-prinzessinnen-in-st-petersburg/
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Blanch on January 09, 2016, 07:14:07 PM
Hi everyone!

I'm looking for a good biography of princess Alice. I've read through this thread and I gather that "Alice Grand Duchess of Hesse; Princess of Great Britain and Ireland; Biographical Sketch and Letters with Portraits" is a good place to start (thank you ever so much Joanna for the link to download it!!). Have also read all the previous posters' praise on "Hessian Tapestry", can't wait to get a copy of this book.

As for "Alice, The Enigma: Queen Victoria's Daughter", does anybody know if it's any good?

Any further recommendations would be much appreciated.

Many thanks in advance.



Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Helen on January 24, 2017, 04:58:44 PM
To be published in January / February 2017:
"Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in Italy - 1893" by Petra H. Kleinpenning.
Print edition: 60 pages, including illustrations.
E-book: EPUB format.

In the spring of 1893, Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse went on a holiday to the Italian cities of Florence and Venice. This publication provides a simple day-to-day summary of their trip based on information from archival documents, contemporary newspapers, letters, memoirs and diaries.


Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Helen on January 27, 2017, 02:26:24 AM
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"Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in Italy - 1893"
Author: Petra H. Kleinpenning
ISBN number of print edition: 9789402157499 (60 pages, paperback)
ISBN number of e-book edition: 9789402159035 (EPUB format)
Publisher: Brave New Books

"In the spring of 1893, Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig of Hesse and by Rhine and his younger sister Princess Alix, the future wife of Emperor Nicholas II of Russia, went on a holiday to the Italian cities of Florence and Venice. They admired works of art in museums and churches, rode through the parks of Florence and the surrounding hills, and enjoyed gondola rides on the canals and in the lagoon of Venice. They also spent time with relatives, including Queen Victoria, Prince and Princess Henry of Battenberg, and Count and Countess Gustav of Erbach-Schönberg. The many beautiful things they saw and the relaxed family gatherings they held made memories which they cherished for many years. This publication provides a simple day-to-day summary of their trip based on information from archival documents, contemporary newspapers, letters, memoirs and diaries."

https://www.kobo.com/nl/en/ebook/grand-duke-ernst-ludwig-and-princess-alix-of-hesse-and-by-rhine-in-italy-1893
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Russka Princess on December 05, 2017, 01:32:41 PM

Hello,

i would pick up the Topic "the four Graces-QV hessian Granddaugthers" i think we could discuess about anecdotes about VEIA(in this book), so if someone read the book, we could here discuess about the sad/funny/happy Things.

like that

After Louis asked Victoria to be his wife, she agreed of course she was in love. QV  was happy too but I think she didn't like that Louis visitit Victoria to often before her wedding.

Like here " Louis obviously  noticed the Queens distaste for courting, and mentioned that he was only allowed to see Victoria "by stealth, as she did not approve of engaged couples spooning Victoria wrote to QV " I hope you were not vexed at Louis Guttenberg having once or twice come to see me " she was indeed vexed.

Of course QV was worried but Victoria was not a teenager anymore. I mean Louis came to Victoria to talk...or to kiss...but I think Victoria and Louis were old enough to have time alone before the wedding.

I think it's even romantic if he spooning to come to Victoria.
Title: Re: Books on the Hesse Royals
Post by: Marlene on January 11, 2018, 02:17:50 PM
my review http://royalbooknews.blogspot.com/2017/12/grand-duke-ernst-ludwig-and-princess.html


(https://s.s-bol.com/imgbase0/imagebase3/regular/FC/1/9/4/7/9200000073987491.jpg)

"Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in Italy - 1893"
Author: Petra H. Kleinpenning
ISBN number of print edition: 9789402157499 (60 pages, paperback)
ISBN number of e-book edition: 9789402159035 (EPUB format)
Publisher: Brave New Books

"In the spring of 1893, Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig of Hesse and by Rhine and his younger sister Princess Alix, the future wife of Emperor Nicholas II of Russia, went on a holiday to the Italian cities of Florence and Venice. They admired works of art in museums and churches, rode through the parks of Florence and the surrounding hills, and enjoyed gondola rides on the canals and in the lagoon of Venice. They also spent time with relatives, including Queen Victoria, Prince and Princess Henry of Battenberg, and Count and Countess Gustav of Erbach-Schönberg. The many beautiful things they saw and the relaxed family gatherings they held made memories which they cherished for many years. This publication provides a simple day-to-day summary of their trip based on information from archival documents, contemporary newspapers, letters, memoirs and diaries."

https://www.kobo.com/nl/en/ebook/grand-duke-ernst-ludwig-and-princess-alix-of-hesse-and-by-rhine-in-italy-1893