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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => French Royals => Topic started by: kmerov on October 09, 2005, 01:30:13 PM

Title: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: kmerov on October 09, 2005, 01:30:13 PM
I would like to start a thread about King Louis Philippes children, and their spouses. I'm especially interested in the Duke(?) and Duchess Joinville. Thanks for any info. :)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 09, 2005, 03:29:15 PM
Well, I think a list is in order!

Louis Philippe and his wife Marie-Amelie of Sicily had the following children:

* Ferdinand Philippe (1810-1842), Crown Prince of France, Duc de Chatres, Duc d'Orleans. He married Princess Helene of Mecklenburg-Schwerin and had two sons.

* Princess Louise d'Orleans (1812-1850). She married Leopold I, King of the Beligians, and had three sons and one daughter.

* Princess Marie d'Orleans (1813-1839). She married Alexander, Duke of Wurttemburg and had one son.

* Louis (1814-1896), Duc de Nemours. He married Princess Viktoria of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and had two sons and two daughters.

* Princess Francoise Louis Caroline d'Orleans (1816-1818).

* Princess Clementine d'Orleans (1817-1907). She married Prince Augustus of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and had three sons and two daughters.

* Francois (1818-1900), Prince de Joinville. He married Francisca de Braganca, daughter of Emperor Pedro I of Brazil and had one son and one daughter.

* Charles-Ferdinand Philippe Emmanuel (1820-1828), Duc de Penthieve.

* Henri (1822-1897), Duc d'Aumale. He married Maria Carolina of the Two Siciles and had four sons.

* Antoine (1824-1890), Duc de Montpensier. He married Luisa of Spain and had five daughters and four sons.

Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 09, 2005, 04:46:26 PM
Ferdinand Philippe Louis Charles Henri Joseph  was born on 3 September 1810. He was Duc de Chatres from birth and Duc d'Orleans from 1830, when his father became King of the French.

His wife, Helene of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, was born on January 24 1814. She gave him two children:

* Philippe, Comte de Paris (1838-1894). He married Maria Isabelle d'Orleans, daughter of Ferdinand's brother Antoine, and they had 8 children, including Helene d'Orleans, who was betrothed to Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence.

* Robert, Duc de Chatres (1840-1910). He married Francoise d'Orleans, daughter of Ferdinand's brother Francois.

Apparently, Ferdinand and Helene were a very happy couple, until he very sadly died in a carriage accident in 1840. Helene died 16 years later, still distraught. She died in England, having fled France in 1848.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 09, 2005, 04:56:46 PM
Louis Charles Philippe Raphael, duc de Nemours, was born on 25 October 1814 at the Palais Royal in Paris. When he was 12 he was nominated Colonel of the first regiment of chasseurs, and in 1825 his name was linked with the throne of Greece.

He was in fact elected King of the Belgians in 1831, but his father King Louis Philippe rejected the offer on his behalf.

He saw active service at the siege of Antwerp in 1831, and came very close to danger.

In 1840 he married Princess Viktoria of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, daughter of Duke Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. His importance increased with the death of his elder brother Ferdinand, since that made him regent designate in the case of his young nephew, the Comte de Paris, suddenly becoming King.

He bravely stayed in the Tuileries during the 1848 revolution, and only managed to escape France by disguising as a national guard. In England, he lived with his parents in Claremont. He did his best, after his father's death, to reunite the two warring sides of the Bourbon royal house - that of the Comte de Chambord and the Orleanist side.

In fact, Louis and his brother the Prince of Joinville said they would allow the tricolour to be the official flag of France if the Royal family was restored, something which the Comte de Chambord of the others refused to do. As we know, it was all in vain.

He returned to France in 1871 and took up his position in the army again. He was President of the Red Cross and an important part of Parisian society until the 1880s.

He died at Versailles in 1896, Duchess Viktoria having died in 1857. She had given him these children:

   * Louis Philippe Marie Ferdinand Gaston, comte d'Eu (1842-1922), who married Isabella, eldest daughter of Don Pedro II of Brazil. His great-grandson, Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza is the current presumptive heir to the throne of Portugal.
   * Ferdinand Philippe Marie, duc d'Alençon (July 12, 1844 - June 29, 1910), who married Sophie Charlotte Augustine Duchess in Bavaria (1847-1897), sister of the empress Elizabeth of Austria ("Sisi"), and who had been for a time engaged to Ludwig II of Bavaria
   * Margaret (1846-1893), who married Prince Ladislas Czartoryski
   * Blanche (b. 1857).
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 09, 2005, 04:58:05 PM
More tomorrow!  :)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Helene on October 10, 2005, 12:52:20 AM
Good work prince_Lieven !

Here it is the duc d'Aumale with the prince of Joinville in 1848 (from the  reunion of national museums ) :

(http://www.photo.rmn.fr/LowRes2/TR1/X63I0G/01-014216.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Helene on October 10, 2005, 12:56:45 AM
Françoise de Bragance, wife of the prince of Joinville in 1843 (from the collection of Paul Frecker ) :

(http://www.paulfrecker.com/images/csJoinville.jpg)

In 1844 (by Winterhalter Franz Xaver):

http://www.photo.rmn.fr/LowRes2/TR1/UF5VT/87-000043.jpg


Her daugther  Françoise d’Orléans-Joinville (1844-1925):

http://www.paulfrecker.com/images/csChartres.jpg


Her son Pierre, Duc de Penthièvre (1845-1919):

http://www.paulfrecker.com/images/csPenthievre.jpg


Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Helene on October 10, 2005, 01:04:59 AM
The duc d'Aumale in 1896 (from the reunion of national museums) :

(http://www.photo.rmn.fr/LowRes2/TR1/XDAD3S/01-014278.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Helene on October 10, 2005, 01:08:02 AM
Antoine d'Orléans, duc de Montpensier (1824-1890) in 1844 by Winterhalter Franz Xaver (from the rmn) :

(http://www.photo.rmn.fr/LowRes2/TR1/YAD3S/87-000028.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 10, 2005, 02:20:17 PM
C'est magnifique, Helene! Merci beaucoup!!!  :D :D

Ok, another bio for you guys:

Princess Louise-Marie Therese Charlotte Isabelle d'Orleans was born on 3 April 1812. On 9 August 1832 she married the newly elected King Leopold of Belgium, formerly Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, uncle of the future Queen Victoria.

Louise gave Leopold the following children:
   * Louis-Philippe Leopold Victor Ernst of Saxe-Coburg, born on July 24, 1833, but died the following year on May 16, 1834;
   * Leopold Louis-Philippe Marie Victor of Saxe-Coburg, born in Brussels on April 9, 1835, the second King of the Belgians;
   * Philippe Eugène Ferdinand Marie Clément Baudouin Leopold George, Count of Flanders, born in Laeken on March 24, 1837 and died in Brussels on November 17, 1905, whose son succeeded Leopold II as Albert.
   * Marie-Charlotte Amélie Auguste Victoire Clémentine Léopoldine, born in Laeken on June 7, 1840 and died in Meise on January 19, 1927, wife of Emperor Maximilian of Mexico.

By all accounts it was a happy match, and Queen Victoria was apparently fond of 'Aunt Louise'. Louise died on October 11 1850.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 10, 2005, 02:27:08 PM
Princess Clementine d'Orleans was born in Neuilly on March 6 1817, and became a Princess of France at the age of 13 with her father's accession in 1830.

Clementine was ambitious, and wanted to marry a king. She selected Prince Augustus of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha as one likely to be elected a king someday. The were married on 20 April 1843 in Saint Cloud.

Augustus never became a king, but they had four children:

   * Philip, who married his cousin, Louise, daughter of Leopold II of Belgium
   * Augustus, who married Leopoldine, daughter of Pedro II of Brazil
   * Amelie, who married Duke Maximillan, the brother of Empress Elizabeth of Austria
   * Ferdinand, who would become Tsar of Bulgaria.

After the Revolution of 1848, the family moved to Vienna, where Augustus was in the Austrian army. Clementine was disappointed that she would never be a queen. But she began to lobby for the rights of her son Ferdinand, who, she said, had such important ancestors he should be king of something.

Her wish came true when Ferdinand became Prince of Bulgaria, succeeding the hapless 'Sandro' of Battenberg. Ferdinand often asked Clementine's advice on political matters, and she was extremely popular in Bulgaria for her gifts of money to various charities.

She eventually became so old that it became an occupational hazard to work at the Bulgarian court because one would have to tolerate her attendants shouting at her to make her hear them!

She died in 1907, aged 90, her tomb reading 'King's daughter, no Queen herself, yet King's mother.'
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 10, 2005, 02:39:13 PM
François-Ferdinand-Philippe-Louis-Marie d'Orléans, prince de Joinville was born on 14 August 1818 in Neuilly. He joined the navy, and became a lieutenant in 1836. He served at the   bombardment of San Juan de Ulloa, in November 1838, and personally arrested Mexican general Arista prisoner at Veracruz.

He was promoted to captaine, and in 1840 was charged with bringing Napoleon's remains from St Helena to France. He served in the African campaigns on 1844 and gained considerable popularity in France.

In 1848 he went to Claremont to live with the rest of his family. When the  American Civil War broke out, he travelled to Washington DC and placed the services of his sons and two of his nephews at the pleasure of the US government.

He was allowed re enter France in 1870, but was expelled soon after. He returned in disguise, however, and joined the army under the name 'Colonel Rutherod.' He later revealed his identity and was sent back to England.

He was elected to a seat in the National Assembley in 1871, but his deafness prevented him from playing any real part in government, and he resigned in 1876. He died in Paris on 16 June 1900.

His wife Francoise, whom he had married in May 1843, gave him two children, the Duc de Penthieve, a naval man like his father, and a daughter, Francoise, who married the Duc de Chatres.

The Prince de Joinville wrote several (mostly naval related) pamphlets in his lifetime, originall published under an assumed name by revealed to be his after the fall of the Second Empire.

They include - Essais sur la marine francaise (1853); Etudes sur la marine (1859 and 1870); La Guerre d'Amérique, campagne du Potomac (1862 and 1872); Encore un mot sur Sadowa (Brussels, 1868); and Vieux souvenirs (1894).
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 04:38:27 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/HelMeckl.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 04:39:38 PM
Portrait of Princess Helene von Mecklenburg-Schwerin...
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 10, 2005, 04:40:32 PM
Thanks Marc, much better than the little blurry pic I posted.  :)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 10, 2005, 04:51:46 PM
Henri Eugène Philippe Louis d'Orléans, duc d'Aumale was born on 16 January 1822. As a youngster, her inherited a huge fortune from his godfather Louis II, Prince de Conde. He entered the army and distinguished himself when France invaded Algeria.

He was governor general of Algeria from late 1847 to early 1848. He went to England after 1848.

When Prussia invaded France in 1870, he offered to join the French army but his offer was refused. However he eventually returned to France and was a general by 1873.

He was expelled from France in 1880s with the rest of the Royal family, though he protested strongly, but was allowed return after he donated his large art collection to the Insitute of France. He died in Sicily on 7 May 1897.

He had married Princess Maria Carolina of the Two Siciles and only two of their four children reached adulthood:

   * Louis Philippe Marie Léopold, Prince de Condé (1845–1866)
   * François Louis d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1854–1872)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:34:00 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/Aumale1.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:35:14 PM
Prince Henry Eugene,Duke d'Aumale!
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:35:44 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/CarSicily2.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:37:04 PM
His wife Princess Maria Carolina of Bourbon Two-Sicilies,Duchess d'Aumale!
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:37:49 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/FerdOrl.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:39:13 PM
One more portrait of Ferdinand-Crown Prince at the time of his fathers reign!
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:40:25 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/Nemours.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:41:04 PM
Prince Louis,Duke d'Nemours!
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:41:27 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/Nemours2.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:42:32 PM
His wife Princess Victoria,Duchess d'Nemours,born von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha!
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:43:23 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/Joinville12.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:44:24 PM
Prince Francis,Duke of Joinville!
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:45:21 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/Joinville1.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:46:38 PM
Princess Franciska,Duchess of Joinville,born Princess of Brasil!
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:47:05 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/Montpensier12.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:48:27 PM
One more portrait of Prince Antoine,Duke of Montpensier!
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:48:55 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/Montpensier11.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:51:02 PM
One more time(I also posted this portrait on another thread) Princess Maria Josefa Fernanda,Duchess d'Montpensier,born Infanta of Spain and sister of Queen Isabela II!
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:51:39 PM
And now some of Louis Philippe's daughters:
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:52:11 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/LouiseBelg.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:53:59 PM
Princess Louise d'Orleans,later Queen of Belgium!
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:54:30 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/MarClem.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:55:56 PM
Princess Maria Clementina d'Orleans,later Duchess von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha!
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:57:45 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/MCWuertt2.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 10, 2005, 05:58:57 PM
And Princess Maria Christine Carolina d'Orleans,later Duchess von Wuerttemberg!
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 11, 2005, 11:30:51 AM
I agree, that's a great topic and you have shown wonderful pics. Thanks a lot.  ;D

I'd like to learn more about Princess Clémentine d'Orléans. Where did she live? What did she do?
I read that she took care of her three grandsons Siegfried, Christoph and Luitpold after their parents (Clémentine's daughter Amalie and Max Emanuel in Bavaria) had died in 1893/94. Do you have any information on that?

And I read in the book written by Louise of Tuscany, Crown-Princess of Saxony, that Clémentine could hardy hear anything. That's why they called her "Tante Kaffeemühle" (I don't know how to translate that).

Help is welcome.

Best wishes

Marie  :-*
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 11, 2005, 11:37:40 AM
Didn't I post a bio on her?
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Post by: bell_the_cat on October 11, 2005, 11:45:25 AM
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And I read in the book written by Louise of Tuscany, Crown-Princess of Saxony, that Clémentine could hardy hear anything. That's why they called her "Tante Kaffeemühle" (I don't know how to translate that).




"Aunt Coffee-mill", but what has that to do with deafness? Maybe she talked very loudly to make up for it.  :-/
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 11, 2005, 11:49:50 AM
Next questions ...  ;)

Princess Louise d'Orléans (1812-1850), wife of Leopold of Belgium, and her sister Princess Marie d'Orléans (1813-1839), Duchess of Württemberg, died quite young.
First I thought Marie died after childbirth. But there are six months between the birth of her son and her death. And what about Louise? Was she ill?
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 11, 2005, 11:52:02 AM
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"Aunt Coffee-mill", but what has that to do with deafness? Maybe she talked very loudly to make up for it.  :-/


Could it have been a slang term of some kind?
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Post by: crazy_wing on October 11, 2005, 02:56:50 PM
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Next questions ...  ;)

Princess Louise d'Orléans (1812-1850), wife of Leopold of Belgium, and her sister Princess Marie d'Orléans (1813-1839), Duchess of Württemberg, died quite young.
First I thought Marie died after childbirth. But there are six months between the birth of her son and her death. And what about Louise? Was she ill?

Louise was quite weak throughout her life.  Her husband's unfaithfulness and her father's death in 1850, which she believed was caused by the humiliation of abdication, didn't help to keep her health up!  I am not sure what her official cause of death though.


Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: kmerov on October 11, 2005, 05:20:04 PM
 Thanks everyone for the great portraits and info.  :)
Princess Clementine d'Orleans seems like a very intersting person. I know that Princes Marie, wife of Prince Valdemar of Denmark liked her very much.. Does anyone have a picture of her? :)  
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 11, 2005, 05:23:13 PM
Marc already posted one, see?  :)
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Post by: kmerov on October 11, 2005, 06:06:00 PM
Yes, I did see his (great) portraits, but I was actually thinking of a "real" picture, not a portrait. :)
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Post by: Daniela on October 12, 2005, 04:25:16 AM
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Louise was quite weak throughout her life.  Her husband's unfaithfulness and her father's death in 1850, which she believed was caused by the humiliation of abdication, didn't help to keep her health up!  I am not sure what her official cause of death though.


Leopold was unfaithfull?
Don't know why, but I thought that he "wasn't like that". :-/

Daniela

Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 12, 2005, 09:38:18 AM
He morganatically married one of his mistresses, Caroline Bauer, after Charlotte's death but before he married Louise. The match was later dissolved.

Leopold, though essentially a good man, liked to climb on a moral high horse when it came to giving advice to Queen Victoria and Prince Albert, but he had the lecherous Coburg streak too!
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Post by: grandduchessella on October 12, 2005, 11:48:08 AM
According to Theo Aronson's Coburgs of Belgium, Louise was very unhappy in her marriage. First Leopold was a cold, distant husband. It just seemed to be his personality. Whatever warmth or affection he'd possessed had been spent on Princess Charlotte. Louise was basically sold into marriage. To estabish his upstart Kingdom, he needed a pedigreed wife. Louise fit the bill. She was quite young and naive and apparently had a very rough shock when it came to the marriage bed. It was something she dreaded and didn't find much comfort in pregnancy or childbirth either. I'll have to dig the book out but it seemed quite the pathetic tale.
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Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 12, 2005, 02:24:20 PM
Thanks GDella! I never knew that. I always thought it was quite the opposite! Perhaps he would have grown like that to Charlotte in time too?
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Post by: Agneschen on October 12, 2005, 03:37:59 PM
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(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/Montpensier12.jpg)


This portrait does not actually show Louis Philippe's son but his younger brother. He was also called Antoine and also bore the title of duke of Montpensier which makes it a bit confusing. This elder Antoine was born in 1775 and died in 1805.
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Post by: Agneschen on October 12, 2005, 04:00:50 PM
Louise also died of tuberculosis in Ostende in 1850, a few months after her father.
She was 20 when she was married to Leopold I who was almost old enough to be her father. Their wedding was something of a nightmare : the bride, her parents and siblings all cried floods of tears during the ceremony (the Orléans siblings were all devoted to each other and to their parents hence their reluctance to see one of them leave the family circle). Queen Marie Amélie told her daughter a few words about the so-called "facts of life" before the wedding night and Louise was so terrified that she begged her mother to stay with her and finally cried herself to sleep.
Louise was very shy of her husband at first but grew to know and love him sincerely. He probably esteemed her but never was in love with her and had many love affairs (especially with Arcadie Claret who bore him 2 sons). Louise knew but kept silent only saying that as long as her husband was happy, it was enough for her. She wrote to her distraught mother : "My solitude must not worry you. I am so accustomed to being alone".
Louise and her mother wrote to each other almost everyday and their letters are full of interesting details about their respective lives, the Orléans family ... I have some of them which I may translate in English and post if anyone is interested.

The only bio I know of Louise is the excellent one by Mia Kerkvoorde (I do not know whether it has been translated in English. I have the French version entitled Louise d'Orléans - La Reine oubliée).
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Post by: crazy_wing on October 12, 2005, 04:09:16 PM
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According to Theo Aronson's Coburgs of Belgium, Louise was very unhappy in her marriage. First Leopold was a cold, distant husband. It just seemed to be his personality. Whatever warmth or affection he'd possessed had been spent on Princess Charlotte. Louise was basically sold into marriage. To estabish his upstart Kingdom, he needed a pedigreed wife. Louise fit the bill. She was quite young and naive and apparently had a very rough shock when it came to the marriage bed. It was something she dreaded and didn't find much comfort in pregnancy or childbirth either. I'll have to dig the book out but it seemed quite the pathetic tale.


I also read that Leopold had strong sexual drive. Louise's poor health prevented her from having more children as the pregnancies had put significant strain on her health.  Leopold had to look for others to satisfy him.  
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Post by: crazy_wing on October 12, 2005, 04:20:30 PM
Anohter one of Louise by winterhalter
(http://collections.osb.hu/kepek/nagy/fest_100.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 12, 2005, 05:22:45 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/LouiseOrlBel.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 12, 2005, 05:23:23 PM
One more of Louise!
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Post by: Marc on October 12, 2005, 05:23:48 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/MarOrlWuertt.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 12, 2005, 05:25:05 PM
And one more of Marie,Duchess von Wuerttemberg!
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Post by: Danjel on October 15, 2005, 11:28:49 AM
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"Aunt Coffee-mill", but what has that to do with deafness? Maybe she talked very loudly to make up for it.  :-/


I think they refferred to the huge (silver) horn she used to hear better......I have a pic of her, with that horn, will post it in a minute...
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Danjel on October 15, 2005, 11:38:01 AM
Though she's holding something (I'm doubting...) could be a fan too........well anyway, I looked it up (have a sort of Guiness Book of records concerning royals...there it was written), the nickname is referring to the horn....

anyway, here's the pic!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/Clementine.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 17, 2005, 08:30:21 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/FerdOrleans.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on October 17, 2005, 08:31:39 PM
One more portrait of Prince Ferdinand d'Orleans,son of King Louis Philipp with his dog!
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Post by: Marc on November 25, 2005, 07:23:39 AM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/Aumale12.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on November 25, 2005, 07:24:24 AM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/Aumale23.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Marc on November 25, 2005, 07:25:04 AM
Two portraits of the Duke d'Aumale...
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Post by: Marc on November 25, 2005, 07:25:36 AM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/Aumale2.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on November 25, 2005, 07:26:31 AM
And one of Duchess Maria Carolina d'Aumale,born Princess of Bourbon Two-Sicilies!
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Svetabel on November 25, 2005, 07:37:35 AM
Marie Caroline  was definitely not a beauty...downcast appearance.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: crazy_wing on November 27, 2005, 02:50:00 AM
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Marie Caroline  was definitely not a beauty...downcast appearance.


I agree!!  This is so different from the Winterhalter portraits of her!  She has a really long nose and wide mouth!
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Duke_of_Lynnwood on December 11, 2005, 06:00:38 PM
When the Citizen King fled to live in England after he abdicated, did he socialize with other royals or was he ostracized and separate and apart from the royal scene? I was wondering because if you're a royal then wouldn't the royals of that country visit you and keep up some kind of friendlyness. Royals make state visits, why not make one if its in your own backyard? That being Surrey.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on December 12, 2005, 02:06:33 PM
I'm most definitely no expert on this, but as far as I know QV and family were quite good to Louis-Philippe and his family, in terms of being friendly to them.

I'm sure someone else knows more.  ???
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on December 12, 2005, 06:56:19 PM
I believe there was quite a bit of interaction between the British royal family and the exiled French royal family. There may have to have been some public distance due to political sensibilities but I think private feeilngs were very warm.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on December 12, 2005, 07:01:20 PM
There was also the fact that LP had a long history with England prior to his exile.

"On the release of his brothers from prison, he and they fled to the USA and then to Canada, where they met and made friends with the Duke of Kent [QV's father]. Crossing to England in 1800, the three Orleans princes made their peace with their Bourbon cousins, and settled in High Shot House in Crown Lane (now Crown Road) Twickenham. Here they lived fairly quietly for much of the next seven years, supported by Secret Service funds, and making friends locally with the Forbes family, the Innkeeper of the Crown, and with the Austrian Minister, then living in York House. The fatal illness of Louis Philippe’s brother Montpensier (he was buried in Westminster Abbey) and signs of illness in his youngest brother led Louis Philippe to leave for Malta in 1807 in search of a healthier climate. Young Beaujolais died in Malta in 1808, where he lies buried."

"With the fall of Napoleon in 1814, Orleans and his growing family returned to France, only to be bundled out again on the return of Napoleon to France in March 1815. Louis and his family retired to ”Old Twick”, which he fondly described at times as “dear quiet Twick”. This time, he leased Orleans House, staying there until 1817, and incidentally giving to the house the name by which it is known today. Returning to France, he settled down to restore the family fortunes and keep out of politics. But the reactionary rule of Charles X brought about a revolution in France in July 1830. Louis Philippe was persuaded to accept the Crown, to liberalise the Constitution, and to rule as King of the French under the tricolour flag. "

"He had visited in 1844 and spent a day with Queen Victoria at Orleans House, but this time a home was offered to him at Claremont, Esher. Here he lived until his death on 26 August 1850. Before that day, there was one more visit. Bad drains at Claremont had driven him to stay for some weeks at the hotel on Richmond Hill. Walking one day in Twickenham, he was met by the former innkeeper of the “Crown”, who greeted him with the reminder that he (the innkeeper) had “kept the Crown”. The old King’s response was “that is more than I did”. During the next 82 years, four generations of Louis Philippe’s descendants at various times and places lived in Twickenham, or its neighbourhood."
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on December 12, 2005, 07:06:42 PM
Further on LP and England:

"The fact that his daughter Louise was the consort of Leopold I, King of the Belgians, had brought him into intimate and cordial relations with the English court, which did much to cement the entente cordiale with Great Britain. Broken in 1840 during the affair of Mehemet Ali the entente was patched up in 1841 by the Straits Convention and re-cemented by visits paid by Queen Victoria and Prince Albert to the Chateau d'Eu in 1843 and 1845 and of Louis Philippe to Windsor in 1844, only to be irretrievably wrecked by the affair of the "Spanish marriages", a deliberate attempt to revive the traditional Bourbon policy of French predominance in Spain....Escaping with the queen from the Tuileries by a back entrance, he made his way with her in disguise to Honfleur, where the royal couple found refuge in a gardener's cottage. They were ultimately smuggled out of the country by the British consul at Havre as Mr. and Mrs. Smith, arriving at Newhaven "unprovided with anything but the clothes they wore." They settled at Claremont, placed at their disposal by Queen Victoria, under the incognito of count and countess of Neuilly. Here on the 26th of August 1850, Louis Philippe died.

The character of Louis Philippe is admirably traced by Queen Victoria in a memorandum of May 2, 1855, in which she compares him with Napoleon III. She speaks of his "vast knowledge upon all and every subject", and "his great activity of mind." He was, unlike Napoleon, "thoroughly French in character, possessing all the liveliness and talkativeness of that people." But she also speaks of the "tricks and over-reachings" practiced by him, "who in great as well as in small things took a pleasure in being cleverer and more cunning than others, often when there was no advantage to be gained by it, and which was, unfortunately, strikingly displayed in the transactions connected with the Spanish marriages, which led to the king's downfall, and ruined him in the eyes of all Europe" (Letters, III, 122)."

They had further ties due to the marriages of  Prince Louis, Duke of Nemours to QV's cousin Victoire and of  Princess Clémentine to the duke of Coburg-Kohary.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on December 12, 2005, 07:10:37 PM
QV and the family of Louis Philippe at the Chateau d'Eu in 1845. By Winterhalter.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/viktoriabritain1819.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Duke_of_Lynnwood on December 12, 2005, 09:43:02 PM
wow I didn't know QV liked him that much. That's interesting that there's a portrait too! Speaking of her Uncle Leopold and his wife Queen Louise, were QV and her this amiable and cordial?
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on December 12, 2005, 10:46:14 PM
QV was apparently very fond of Louise. I think there's a bit on their relationship in the 'children of Louis Philippe' thread.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Bernardino on December 14, 2005, 11:08:31 AM
Why was she dressed in black? She wasn´t a widow...or was it because her father-in-law? Other reasons...


Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Bernardino on December 14, 2005, 11:26:01 AM
 She was problaby the prettiest daughter of Dom Pedro I-IV, after, of course Pss Dona Maria Amelia, but she had Beauharnais genes...

Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 14, 2005, 07:55:55 PM
Yes...I wonder where the black dress portrait came from...I never seen it before. Is it from Chateau de Eu ?

I think so too, I think she had other sisters right ? :-*
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Bernardino on December 15, 2005, 03:24:57 PM
Hello  :)

Yes she had other sisters, legitimate and illegitimate daughters of her father Emperor Dom Pedro I of Brazil, King Dom Pedro IV of Portugal...She was born a Pss of Brazil, but when her father inherited the Portuguese throne she became too a Portuguese Infanta, in fact if one wants to refer her, while single it should be: 'Sua Alteza Dona Francisca Carolina de Bragança, Princesa do Brasil, Infanta de Portugal' (in France she was known as Françoise only, and the Portuguese title wasn´t much used...)

Her full sisters were Queen Maria II of Portugal (m1. Duke August of Leuchtenberg, m2. Pr Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha), Pss Januaria (m. Pr Luigi of the Two Sicilies, Cte d'Aquila) and Pss Paula Marianna (whom died in her teens). The only daughter of her father's second marriage was Pss Maria Amelia, who died unmarried in Madeira, but was seen a potencial wife of Archduke Ferdinand of Austria, the unfortunate Emperor Maximilian of Mexico, apparently in love with her, but she died too soon  :-/...

One of her father's illegitimate daughters (Bella) married a German Count (von Treuberg), the son of a Pss of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, and has descendants...
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2005, 08:12:52 PM
Did Fransioise and her sister been painted togather ?
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: allanraymond on December 16, 2005, 07:07:12 PM
Needless to say, I find your narrative on the family of Louis Philippe extemely interesting and gives me opportunity to cross check against details on my Web Pages. If I could offer some other details?

1.   Princess Viktoria of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's father was Prince (rather than Duke) of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

2.   Sophie Charlotte Augustine Duchess in Bavaria was burnt to death in a tent at a charity bazaar in Paris in which 200 people lost their lives.

3.  Blanche (b. 1857)  died in 1932.

Allan Raymond

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Louis Charles Philippe Raphael, duc de Nemours, was born on 25 October 1814 at the Palais Royal in Paris.

In 1840 he married Princess Viktoria of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, daughter of Duke Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

He died at Versailles in 1896, Duchess Viktoria having died in 1857. She had given him these children:

    * Louis Philippe Marie Ferdinand Gaston, comte d'Eu (1842-1922)....
    * Ferdinand Philippe Marie, duc d'Alençon (July 12, 1844 - June 29, 1910), who married Sophie Charlotte Augustine Duchess in Bavaria (1847-1897),
    * Margaret (1846-1893)....
    * Blanche (b. 1857).

Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: allanraymond on December 16, 2005, 07:26:04 PM
Let's have more of your interesting bio's.

I would add another child to the four already shown for Clementine and Augustus.

* Clotilde (1846-1927) , who married Archduke Joseph Karl of Austria (Hungarian Line) (1833-1905)

Allan Raymond

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Princess Clementine d'Orleans was born in Neuilly on March 6 1817, and became a Princess of France at the age of 13 with her father's accession in 1830.

Clementine was ambitious, and wanted to marry a king. She selected Prince Augustus of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha as one likely to be elected a king someday. The were married on 20 April 1843 in Saint Cloud.

Augustus never became a king, but they had four children:

    * Philip, who married his cousin, Louise, daughter of Leopold II of Belgium
    * Augustus, who married Leopoldine, daughter of Pedro II of Brazil
    * Amelie, who married Duke Maximillan, the brother of Empress Elizabeth of Austria
    * Ferdinand, who would become Tsar of Bulgaria.

'

Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: crazy_wing on December 17, 2005, 03:04:16 AM
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Yes...I wonder where the black dress portrait came from...I never seen it before. Is it from Chateau de Eu ?

I think so too, I think she had other sisters right ? :-*


It was painted by Amy Scheffer in 1844 and is said to be in Musée de la Vie Romantique, Paris.  Louis Philippe died in 1850s so she was not dressed for the mourning of her father-in-law.  It seems like nobody from her or her husband's immediate family died in 1844 either.  
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: José on December 23, 2005, 12:22:35 PM
Louis-Philippe and Marie-Amélie had two other children:
Françoise, Mlle de Montpensier (1816-18 ) and
Charles count of Penthièvre (1820-28 ).
Are there any pictures of them ?

And from the next generation:
Philip, count of Paris and bro. Robert dk of Chartres
Gaston, count of Eu, Ferdinand Alençon, Marguerite and Blanche de Nemours.
Louis Philippe pr. Condé and François, dk of Guise.

Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: José on December 27, 2005, 01:28:17 PM
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Françoise de Bragance, wife of the prince of Joinville in 1843 (from the collection of Paul Frecker ) :

When she arrived in France after a long sea trip from Brazil she felt exhausted and she stunned everyone by asking for ... a parrot broth  :o ;D :o ;D :o

No WWF those days  ::)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: royalphoto on December 31, 2005, 11:43:13 PM
Dear discussion group


I am an Australian curator of Photography researching photographs of 19th century Royal visitors to the Asia pacific region. I would like to find out more about  Pierre, Duc de Penthiève (1845-1919) who might have been the young Prince accompanying Ludovic Comte de Beauvoir on his Asia Pacific world tour in 1865-67. Another Orleans family Royal prince died in Sydney in 1866  (Louis Philippe Marie Léopold, Prince de Condé (1845–1866?) but de Beauvoir would surely have referred to such a tragic event in his best selling books on his travels.  Young Pierre has a carte-de-visite photo on this website from dealer gallery Paul Frecker along with one of his mother (her 1843 image date cant be right - CDVs werent invented then)

I am interested in Royals who were photographers as well, like Prince Roland Bonaparte.

FYI there is an equestrian portrait of the young Comte de Paris, Louis-Philippe-Albert d'Orléans c 1860 on http://www.photovisualbank.com/sujets.dk/equitation.nap3/cavalier-1860.jpdb.470370.htm

(although I thought he was not in Paris at that time?)

Happy New Year from the antipodes...

This is my first participation in a discussion group so hope I have followed the proper protocols.


Royalphoto  

8)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on January 02, 2006, 03:50:41 PM
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Happy New Year from the antipodes...

This is my first participation in a discussion group so hope I have followed the proper protocols.


Royalphoto  

 8)


I'm sorry I can't be of help but I wanted to welcome you to the group. And you did great for your first message.  :)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: royalphoto on January 07, 2006, 12:27:07 AM
I have posted queries on the 'children of Louis Philippe' site but in this context I wonder how and where the Royal family entourages were dealt with  and lived while in exile in England with the Royals?
D'Aymard, former charge d'affaires in Brussells went in to exile with the family of the Duchesse of Orleans in 1848. His son Ludovic Herbert (Brusells 1846-1929 Marseille?) comte de Beauvoir, later marquis, thus grew up with Pierre, Duc de Penthievre son of the Prince of Joinville and came to be his companion in voyages in the Asia Pacific in 1866-67. De Beauvoir wrote an account of his travels published in 1869 in Paris and in English in 1870.

I would like to know more about de Beauvoir and Pierre duc de Penthievre's lives anywhere but also in their youth.

Did any of the Royals keep a diary on their time in England? Are there any portraits of the families in exile?


Royalphoto
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on January 25, 2006, 10:13:57 PM
There was a book published in 1982, The Orleans Family in Twickenham by THR Cashmore.

I don't have anymore information though and couldn't find it on bookfinder.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Agneschen on February 11, 2006, 08:22:15 AM
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Louis-Philippe and Marie-Amélie had two other children:
Françoise, Mlle de Montpensier (1816-18 ) and
Charles count of Penthièvre (1820-28 ).
Are there any pictures of them ?


Françoise died in 1818 and Charles in 1828 so there cannot be any pics of them since photography had not yet been invented.
Charles died aged 8 so there may be drawings of him though I have never seen any. Princess Françoise died aged 2 so, in her case, this is most unlikely.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: José on February 13, 2006, 06:17:13 PM
I am trying to complete my Orléans genealogical table (with photos/pictures) and I would need:

1. Dorothea of Habsburg (1867-1932) wife of Philippe dk Orléans
2. Ferdinand dk Montpensier (1884-1924) and wife Maria Isabella Marquess Valdeterrazzo
3. Robert d'Orléans (1866-95) elder brother of Jean dk Guise
4. Isabelle d'Orléans (Guise) and her husbands Bruno count Harcourt and Pierre Pr.Murat
5. Ernesto Martorell husband of Pss Therese Orléans Bragança (sister of the late Countess of Paris and Duchess of Bragança)

Thanks for your help. ;)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Agneschen on May 27, 2006, 08:42:12 AM
Great news to all the admirers (like myself) of Princess Clémentine ! I have just heard on the radio that a bio of her is in preparation (in French, by a Belgian historian) and should be published in a few months. This is all I know at present but will keep my eyes & ears open.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on May 29, 2006, 03:45:56 PM
I have always found quiet extraordinary the fact that three great grand sons of Marie Caroline were heir to the french throne at some point.

Napoleon II by Marie Louise
le Duc de Bordeaux by Marie Caroline
and the descendance of Marie Amelie her daughter the queen of the French


There was at some point mariage´s discussion between Marie Amelie and Louis Joseph Xavier François, Marie Antoinette´s son and first Dauphin. her mother was not in favour of the match with Orleans since at the time he was a pennyless prince.

here are some pictures of the sweet Amelie.

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/MarieAmelie.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/marieAmelie2.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/MarieAmeliebyHersent.jpg)


(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/MarieAmelieparLouisHersent.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on May 29, 2006, 03:51:31 PM
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/reineMarieAmelie.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on May 29, 2006, 05:00:45 PM
She was born at Caserta, on the 26th of April 1782, and received a careful education, the royal family of Two Sicilies was driven from Naples in 1798, they fled to Palermo, and the years from 1800-02 were spent by Marie Amélie with her mother at the Austrian court. In 1806 they were again in flight before the napoleonic army, and it was during the second residence of her father's court at Palermo that she met the exiled Louis-Philippe, whom she married in November 1809. They had barely established themselves in the Palais Royal in Paris when the Hundred Days drove them into exile once agian.

Her attention was absorbed by the care and education of her numerous family, even after the revolution of 1830 had made her queen of the French.

her children:


 Prince Ferdinand-Philippe, Duke of Orleans (b. 3-Sep-1810, d. 1842)
 Louise Marie of Orléans (b. 3-Apr-1812, d. 1850, m. Leopold I of Belgium)
 Marie of Orléans (b. 12-Apr-1813, d. 1839)
 Louis Charles Philippe Raphael (duc de Nemours, b. 25-Oct-1814, d. 1896)
 Francisca of Orléans (b. 28-Mar-1816, d. 1818)
 Princess Clémentine of Orléans (b. 3-Jun-1817, d. 1907)
François d'Orléans, Prince de Joinville (b. 14-Aug-1818, d. 1900)
 Prince Charles, Duke of Penthièvre (b. 1-Jan-1820, d. 1828)
 Prince Henri, Duke of Aumale (b. 16-Jun-1822, d. 1897)
 Prince Antoine, Duke of Montpensier (b. 31-Jul-1824, d. 1890)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: britt.25 on June 01, 2006, 10:25:51 AM
From Marie Amelie (the very first picture is the nicest, I have never seen it before!!) descents also the todays head of the Bonaparte family! Her daughter , Louise, married Leopold I. of the Belgians, their child was Leopold II., who married Henriette of Habsburg (daughter of Josef Anton, palatine of Hungary and Marie Dorothea of Württemberg), their child Clementine married Victor Napoleon, grandson of Jerome, brother of Napoleon I. and they had a son Louis and a daughter Clothilde, Louis´ son is todays Charles Napoleon! :)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on June 01, 2006, 01:10:50 PM
ye sin fact you are correct she is hte great grandmother of Cahrles Napoleon!
 8-)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/marieamelie3.jpg)


one of my favourite!!


(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/marieamelieparwinterhalter.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on June 01, 2006, 01:21:12 PM
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/marieamelie4.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on June 01, 2006, 01:24:22 PM
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/marieamelieetsesenfants.jpg)


this one by Millet


(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/marieameliebyMillet.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on June 02, 2006, 08:16:37 AM
I beleive that in one of the portrait I posted she is wearing this necklace


(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/empressjosephine.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on June 02, 2006, 08:39:11 AM
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/2185808160056005517gYWbgs_ph.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: britt.25 on June 02, 2006, 01:46:39 PM
Hello Sissi, the pictures you´ve send are very fantastic !!! Especially also the jewels. Are these reproductions of Marie Amelie´s  jewels? I think so.
And one more question: The portraits of Amelie are also very nice, do you maybe have the first and the third one you send in a bigger version or do you know where to find them in a bigger version?
Because I like them a lot!  I did not find much portraits of her, even if she seemed to be quite nice.
Any idea where to find the ones you send in bigger??
Thanks :) :)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 02, 2006, 02:44:52 PM
A photograph of Queen Marie Amélie ... I think she looked really frightening in old age - just like Prinzregent Luitpold of Bavaria.


Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on June 02, 2006, 04:39:53 PM
Yes she does lok frightening!!!! :o

Dear Britt: I will try to find them in a bigger version, I am glad you like them... The necklace is said to be original, but I am not to sure (I will inquire on it), however the other jewels I post are real, they belong to a quite magnificent parure of saphire and diamond. I will try to post some more pictures of it.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on June 02, 2006, 04:43:36 PM
In fact the necklace is genuine not a replica
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on June 02, 2006, 04:50:17 PM
The necklace is part of a parrure that first belonged to hortense de Beauharnais and then to Marie Amelie

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/saphirs-reine-hortense.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on June 02, 2006, 04:53:54 PM
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/partofMarieAmelieparrure.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: britt.25 on June 03, 2006, 03:43:58 AM
Hello Sissi,

It looks really grandious and phantastic...! one stupid question: Are some of them in your own possession or do you have a possibility to have photographed them somewhere else...??

And do you have any idea, how they made the way from Napoleon III´mother to Marie Amelie??
(You said they firstly belonged to Hortense)

Has it something to do with Marie Louise, Napoleons I´s wife, beeing such a close relative to Marie Amelie?

I don´t think so, but it would interest me:

Where did you find the portraits of Amelie? Are they from a book? I have never seen some of them.


To the photopraph: She looks as if she was already dead there or had just escaped from the grave! ;D
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: britt.25 on June 03, 2006, 08:57:42 AM
Has anyone an idea, where to find a picture of Isabelle of Orleans with her first husband prince Pierre Murat???

I have never found any, but it must have been a very interesting marriage because of the
"Bonaparte-Bourbon" relation!

Isabelles one daughter from her second husband B. Harcourt married again a prince Murat and they have several children.

Any picture of Isabelle with Prince Murat? Any idea where to find?

THANKS!!! :)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Agneschen on June 03, 2006, 04:47:37 PM
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To the photopraph: She looks as if she was already dead there or had just escaped from the grave! ;D

Why, we must not forget that this picture was taken in extreme old age. We may not look better at 84.  ;) Queen Marie Amélie went through a lot of hardship in her life and that may have told on her face. Besides, she was described as plain (bad teeths, red complexion, plain features), even as a young woman, by her contemporaries but had lovely blue eyes & fair hair, was tall & slim, carried herself well and was very dignified. She was called her "la dernière grande dame d'Europe" and so she really was !

She was a loving wife and a loving & caring mother. Louis-Philippe & Marie Amélie were devoted to each other & adored their children. After her husband's death in exile, she became the mainstay of a large family & remained so till her own death in 1866. Her descendants revered her.
Her great great granddaughter, the late Countess of Paris, wrote a very interesting bio of her entitled La Reine Marie-Amélie - Grand-Mère de l'Europe.


Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: trentk80 on June 03, 2006, 06:23:52 PM
Yes, Louis-Philippe and Maria Amelia had a happy marriage. Shortly after their wedding, Maria Amelia's mother, Queen Maria Carolina of Naples wrote: "Naughty Amelia has married the Duke of Orleans; they have nothing to live on, are poor but happy, and love each other infinitely."
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: britt.25 on June 04, 2006, 09:01:54 AM
Interesting the photos, I have never seen them. A bit unusual if you compare them with the paintings when she was a young woman! ;)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Agneschen on June 05, 2006, 05:59:48 AM
Portraits are often flattés you know ...  ;)

Marie Amélie was 27 when she married which was considered quite late at the time. People usually thought she would remain an old maid which made her unhappy. She saw her sisters leave home the one after the other and, when her sister Maria Cristina "Mimi" married Carlo Felice of Savoy, she is said to have shed tears of envy. Their mother Queen Maria Carolina was quite a demanding character and, as the only daughter left, Amélie was at her beck & call and a prey to her constant whims & bad temper. There was no love at first sight between Marie Amélie & Louis-Philippe - the princess wrote in her diary on this occasion : "He is neither tall nor small, rather pudgy, neither handsome nor plain". But she soon grew to esteem & love him.
Louis Philippe had many love affairs during his bachelor days and is said to have fathered a couple of illegitimate children. He was close to the British royal family and there was some talk of his marrying Princess Elizabeth, one of George III's daughters. His marriage to Amélie put an end to this volatile love life. Husband & wife loved each other deeply and got on particularly well. If he ever had love affairs after he was married, they were conducted with such secrecy that nothing was ever known about them but historians usually agree on the fact that he was faithful to his wife.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on June 05, 2006, 08:45:35 AM
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Hello Sissi,

It looks really grandious and phantastic...! one stupid question: Are some of them in your own possession or do you have a possibility to have photographed them somewhere else...??

And do you have any idea, how they made the way from Napoleon III´mother to Marie Amelie??
(You said they firstly belonged to Hortense)

Has it something to do with Marie Louise, Napoleons I´s wife, beeing such a close relative to Marie Amelie?

I don´t think so, but it would interest me:

Where did you find the portraits of Amelie? Are they from a book? I have never seen some of them.


To the photopraph: She looks as if she was already dead there or had just escaped from the grave! ;D



Dear Britt:

The necklace was bought by Louis Philippe for Marie Amelie, it first belonged to Josephine who later passed it down to Hortense, i will try to investigate why and at what period of time, it was sold to Louis Philippe.

Regarding the portraits, some of the portraits are from books some from the internet, I will try to find the links and the pages of the books.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Sissi on June 05, 2006, 08:48:20 AM
This is the complete parrure of Saphire and Diamond:

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/2221556770056005517rUOlJB_ph.jpg)


(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/kedvesem/couronnedemarieamelie.jpg)


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Post by: Agneschen on June 05, 2006, 09:24:34 AM
I have always loved this diadem. I believe it is my favourite piece of royal jewellery. Each time I see a picture of it, it makes me swoon !  ;)
Need to check my sources but it seems to me that it was sold by the late Count of Paris.
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Post by: Sissi on June 05, 2006, 09:54:18 AM
Yes I remember something like that, didn`t he sold it to the State??
I think it was ten years ago or more, there was a dispute among the Orleans regarding the sell of the jewels, I believe that the Count of Paris was in need of money!  :)
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Post by: Agneschen on June 06, 2006, 08:14:33 AM
Quote
And are you sure this picture is really Pierre M. and not Bruno d´Harcourt?
The pics in Mon Album de Famille come from the Orléans family archives so there is very little chance they should be misidentified. Besides, Princess Isabelle was an aunt of Prince Michel of Greece who wrote the book (his mother Françoise & Isabelle were sisters) and he spent time with her & her family.
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Post by: synnadene on August 01, 2006, 03:40:17 AM

I would like to start a topic about MARIE CAROLINE (1822-1869), Princess of Bourbon-Sicilies, daughter of Leopold, Prince of Salerno and Maria Clementina of Austria. She was the wife of Henri d'Orléans, Duc d'Aumale.

Please, post informations and pictures!
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on August 01, 2006, 03:21:13 PM
Marie Caroline, nicknamed Lina, was born in Vienna on April 26th 1822. She was the favourite granddaughter of her maternal grandfather Emperor Franz I. of Austria. In 1832, Franz gave the painter Johann Ender the order to create a portrait of his three favourite grandchildren Lina, Franz Joseph and Franz Reichstadt.



Lina married Henri d'Aumale, Prince d'Orléans in Naples on November 25th 1844. They had four sons: Louis Philippe (1845-1866), Henri Léopold (1847-1847), François Paul (1852-1852) and François Louis (1854-1872) who all died quite young. Lina also had miscarriages in 1849, 1861 and 1864.

When Sophie en Bavière married Ferdinand d'Alencon in 1868 and went with him into the English exile, she got to know Lina and Uncle Aumale. Sophie and the couple spent much time together and when Lina died only one year later, on December 6th 1869, aged 47, Sophie suffered a lot.



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Post by: Daniela on August 02, 2006, 07:49:09 AM
(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/bourbon/bbsicilie2/1822%20M.Caroline-03.JPG)

Marie Caroline, La Duchesse d'Aumale

Unfortunatly, just black and white portrait by Winterhalter.

Daniela
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Post by: britt.25 on August 02, 2006, 07:58:46 AM
This picture is very nice, but the paintings seem to be much different than the later photos, here she is beautiful, but the photos do not know her that beautiful, her face rather very longish and the eyes a bit stange. :o
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Post by: Lisa on August 02, 2006, 02:35:48 PM
Ta-taaaaaa!
By Winterhalter, about 1845, Versailles: (http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2784/87000022er3.th.jpg) (http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=87000022er3.jpg)
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Post by: britt.25 on August 02, 2006, 03:20:54 PM
She really looks beautiful here, I wonder why the difference to the photos. I may remember that she was already  discussed somewhere else here and there is one topic at the message board, which has already some more photos of the Duchesse d´Aumale. Can anybody tell me where??

Has anybody more photos of her (instead of the paintings) ?
Thanks! ;) ;)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2006, 10:25:51 PM
I think she started off as beautiful. Isn't she the one the Comte de Chambord was also in love with ?
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Post by: crazy_wing on August 03, 2006, 06:40:41 AM
Winterhalter always made his sitters more beautiful and angelic than they really are...  


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Post by: britt.25 on August 03, 2006, 08:34:29 AM
That´s what I meant before, especially on the first picture you see the typical features, the face is very long...on the painting of Winderhalter it´s not to recognize, there she is very nice.
I think her face looks a bit strange, maybe it´s because the typical family relation of many of those marriages...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 03, 2006, 10:02:39 AM
I think the one by Winterhalter showed her as a young woman in blond curls..etc. The second one passed the first flush of youth (also without the ringlets, the face showed up not too well). The third one was middled aged.  8)
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Post by: Guinastasia on August 22, 2006, 06:54:21 PM



It's the Winterhalter painting in full, in color:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Guinastasia/History/queenbelgium.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: José on September 05, 2006, 12:25:46 PM
Are there any pictures /paintings of her children ?

José
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 07, 2006, 01:52:05 PM
Are there any pictures /paintings of her children ?

José

I don't think so. It's even very difficult to find photographs of them.  :-\
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Post by: grandduchessella on September 07, 2006, 04:58:40 PM
Here's a site which details the tombs of many of the family, including the d'Aumales. It shows the tombs of Henri & Marie Caroline, as well as a dual one of 2 of their sons, which is very touching

http://perso.orange.fr/stephane.thomas/capetien/dreux/dreux.htm

14 - Henri duc d'Aumale (1822 - 1897) Gisant de Paul Dubois 
 
15 - Marie-Caroline de Bourbon-Naples duchesse d'Aumale (1822 - 1869)inhumée dans la chapelle Saint-Charles Borromée à Weybridge, transférée en 1876 Gisant de Charles-Joseph Lenoir
   
16 - François duc de Guise (1854 - 1872) fils du duc d'Aumale
   
17 - Louis prince de Condé (1845 - 1866) fils du duc d'Aumale
   
18 à 24 - dans un même tombeau les corps de 6 enfants du duc d'Aumale inhumés dans la chapelle Saint-Charles Borromée à Weybridge, transférés en 1876
   
25 et 26 - Ferdinand d'Orléans infant d'Espagne (1859 - 1873) et son frère Louis (1867 - 1874)
Gisants de Aimé Millet
 

Based on what it says for #18-24, did she have miscarriages or stillbirths? It seems that there are bodies for the children that were transformed from St Charles Borromeo in Weybridge.
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 08, 2006, 03:37:53 AM

http://perso.orange.fr/stephane.thomas/capetien/dreux/dreux.htm

Based on what it says for #18-24, did she have miscarriages or stillbirths? It seems that there are bodies for the children that were transformed from St Charles Borromeo in Weybridge.

What an interesting website! Thanks.

As far as I know, Lina had miscarriages / stillbirths in 1849, 1861 and 1864.

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Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 17, 2006, 03:04:23 AM
Dear Discussion Group,

I'd like to have more information about Princess Marie Christine Caroline Adélaïde Françoise Léopoldine d'Orléans, second daughter of Louis Philippe and Marie Amélie. She was born on April 12th 1813 in Palermo and died on January 2nd 1839 in Pisa at the age of 25.
Marie was married to Alexander Duke of Württemberg (1804-1881) and was mother of a son, Philippe Alexander (1838-1917). I read that it had been her wish that her son was educated by his grandparents in France.

As far as I know, Marie was an artist. Can you tell me a bit more about her work?

Who arranged the weddind between Marie and Alexander? Was their marriage happy?

I know that we had this thread about Louis Philippe's children, but I could only find portraits of Marie there.

Thanks.
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Post by: Agneschen on September 17, 2006, 06:20:27 AM
Princess Marie Christine Caroline Adélaïde Françoise Léopoldine was born on April 2 1813 in Palermo, the 3rd child and 2nd daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Orléans (later King Louis Philippe & Queen Marie Amélie of the French). Marie was just a year younger than her eldest sister Louise and the 2 were brought up together. The 2 sisters were devoted to each other though they were very different both physically (Louise fair with blue eyes while Marie was dark) and in character. Louise was sweet and painstaking (which earned her the nickname of "angelic" among the family) while Marie was more daring, witty and wild. According to Mme de Boigne, she was Louis Philippe's favorite. Her health was frail and she suffered of tuberculosis though it went unrecognized during years. During her teenage years, the Princess grew more and more sensitive, exalted, moody and introspective - like so many of her generation, she probably suffered from what was known as la maladie du siècle : world-weariness. She wrote to her sister Louise after her marriage to King Léopold of the Belgians : " How unhappy I am since you left my poor friend ! I love you so ! I cannot enjoy anything without you ! [...] Let me tell you again & again how passionately I love you and all I have lost ... I seem to be falling in some kind of raving (I cannot find a French word to express what I feel) and ask myself how I will be able to manage a life where you are not. This is driving me mad ... Chateaubriand once said that "life is a painful dream" and I say that life is a painful reality". And again : "So I turned 20 today ! How old I am ! If only I could be sure I would be reasonable ! In the meantime, I cannot help feeling sad and lonely".

Marie had no leaning toward court life, she hated balls and receptions and enjoyed swimming in the river Seine. When she learnt that her father was to be made king she cried a flood of tears. She was very good at drawing and took lessons with the best masters. She then turned to sculpture where she showed great gift. She sculpted several statues of Jeanne d'Arc which can still be seen today (2 in Paris, another in front of the town hall in Orléans, one apparently in a museum in Dorndrecht ...). She also found inspiration for her sculptures in her own family or in her favorite books.

As a teenager she fell in love with a commoner whose identity has never been discovered - he is evoked in the letters exchanged between Marie's mother and sister Louise under the nickname "Pantalon". Unlike her eldest sister, Marie desperately wished to marry. There was some talk of a possible union with her cousin the Duke of Syracusa but after months of transaction the Neapolitan family refused. It was King Léopold I of the Belgians who finally proposed one of his nephews, Prince Alexander of Würtemberg. They were married in October 1837 in Trianon. Theirs was apparently a happy match and Marie enjoyed life in Germany with her husband. But a fire destroyed their residence and the young couple went back to France where Marie gave birth to a son Philippe in Neuilly in July 1838. The Princess's health was rapidely failing. She left for Italy with her husband - first Genova then Pisa where she died in January 1839. Her favourite brother Nemours, whom she called "Tan", was the only one of her family to be near her when she died.
On her deathbed she made her husband promise that their son would be raised in the Catholic faith. Little Philippe spent the greatest part of his childhood in France with his grandparents.
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 17, 2006, 10:42:47 AM
Your text was extremely interesting to read, Agneschen. Thanks a lot. Do you have some more paitings apart from those you have already posted in the topic about Louis Philippe's children? I would love to see them.
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Post by: bell_the_cat on September 17, 2006, 12:08:34 PM
Yes, Agneschen, beautifully written!  :)
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Post by: Agneschen on September 17, 2006, 04:58:37 PM
Thank you !  :)

Unfortunately I fear I do not have many more portraits of Princess Marie as they are dreadfully hard to find. I will try and do some close-up though on more general pictures where she appears. I also have a couple of Marie's drawings of her sister Louise which I will scan as soon as I have time.

Here is a very interesting link that I have just found. You can see several pics of the Joan of Arc sculpture that is in Orléans. There is also a couple of pics of Marie's grave in Dreux (the Angel of Resignation above the Princess's grave was her own work) :
http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/search/results.html?ixsid=iNxPU1tJXE8&qs=marie+orleans (http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/search/results.html?ixsid=iNxPU1tJXE8&qs=marie+orleans)

I will try and locate the Joan of Arc statues that are in Paris and see if I can photograph them.
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 18, 2006, 01:12:49 PM
What a wonderful website! Thanks a million, Agneschen.  :D
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Post by: bell_the_cat on September 18, 2006, 01:33:30 PM
This was the time when a Place Jeanne d'Arc sprang up in almost every town in France - so it was a good idea to specialise in this figure. Jeanne had never been a big thing under the ancien regime, perhaps because of the ambivalent support she had received from the Dauphin Charlles  :-\.

In the early 19th century her appeal as a national symbol caught on, particularly under the July Monarchy - with the Orleans connection. Her cult was also taken on by those who regretted the ongoing secularisation of society.
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Post by: Agneschen on December 01, 2006, 03:03:55 AM
Great news to all the admirers (like myself) of Princess Clémentine ! I have just heard on the radio that a bio of her is in preparation (in French, by a Belgian historian) and should be published in a few months. This is all I know at present but will keep my eyes & ears open.

The book will be called La Medicis des Cobourg - Clémentine d'Orléans by the Belgian historian Olivier Defrance (the publisher is Racine). The cover will apparently be a close-up of the famous Winterhalter portrait. Defrance's bios of King Léopold I and Princess Louise of Belgium were both excellent so I have great hopes about the Clémentine one which I am eagerly awaiting. I preordered a copy on amazon.fr yesterday and the estimate shipping date is Jan. 31 2007 - let us hope there will be no delay.
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Post by: Eurohistory on February 02, 2007, 08:21:33 AM
Great news to all the admirers (like myself) of Princess Clémentine ! I have just heard on the radio that a bio of her is in preparation (in French, by a Belgian historian) and should be published in a few months. This is all I know at present but will keep my eyes & ears open.

The book will be called La Medicis des Cobourg - Clémentine d'Orléans by the Belgian historian Olivier Defrance (the publisher is Racine). The cover will apparently be a close-up of the famous Winterhalter portrait. Defrance's bios of King Léopold I and Princess Louise of Belgium were both excellent so I have great hopes about the Clémentine one which I am eagerly awaiting. I preordered a copy on amazon.fr yesterday and the estimate shipping date is Jan. 31 2007 - let us hope there will be no delay.

The book was initially scheduled for publication in November 06.  Then rescheduled for January 07.  Now it is scheduled for April 2007.  Eurohistory.com sells all of Racine's royalty collection and I have been in contact with Monsieur Defrance for some time now regarding information he is going to use in the Clementine Coburg book.  I have high hopes for it as not much has been done on this fascinating woman!

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: Paola on June 12, 2007, 06:56:21 AM
When it will be released the book on Princess Clementine?It is now June  and  still not available in Amazon.fr. Any news about it?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 12, 2007, 07:47:25 PM
Still waiting...Books are sometime slow to be published. Just heard that Sutton changed hands and that could have an affect on future royal book publications.  ???
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Post by: Agneschen on June 15, 2007, 12:36:36 PM
When it will be released the book on Princess Clementine?It is now June  and  still not available in Amazon.fr. Any news about it?

God knows when this book is going to be available as it keeps being delayed again and again and again ! The last date of release indicated on the publisher website was May 29 but the book is to be found neither in bookshops nor on the Internet. I emailed the publisher yesterday and am waiting for an answer. Will let everybody know.
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Post by: Linnea on June 16, 2007, 03:28:29 AM
Will let everybody know.

Thank you! :)
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Post by: Richelieu00 on June 16, 2007, 04:44:41 AM
Will there be an English translation?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2007, 05:59:16 AM
With Racine ? Highly unlikely !  :(
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Post by: Richelieu00 on June 16, 2007, 06:55:56 AM
Is it possible that anyone will translate the text?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 17, 2007, 08:14:28 PM
Not likely... :( I got a friend to translate the book on Duchess Sophie Charlotte of Alencon by (Dominique Paoli) Racine for my research...I was lucky.  ::)
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Post by: Richelieu00 on June 18, 2007, 09:29:51 AM
Wow, your friend is obviously a very nice person. Her story, particularly her heroic death is very interesting (The Duchess). What are you researching? That is if you don't mind me asking.
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Post by: Agneschen on June 18, 2007, 11:30:34 AM
Update : the publication date has been now delayed (once again, alas !) to August 21 ... Fingers crossed ...
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Post by: synnadene on August 23, 2007, 04:00:15 AM

I'm searching for portraits and photos about Princess Clementine (1817-1907), Princess of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. I'm interested in photos about her, especially when she was young (ca. 1860's), and together with family and children.

Thank for your help!
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Post by: Agneschen on September 11, 2007, 03:45:40 PM
La Médicis des Cobourg has AT LAST been published !! I bought my copy this afternoon. The pics are wonderful, many previously unknown (at least to me) of Clémentine's children. I read a couple of chapters in the underground and the book seems to be as interesting and well researched as the other Defrance bios. I am planning to spend the night immersed in my reading (never mind work tomorrow).
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Post by: Svetabel on September 12, 2007, 03:29:42 AM
La Médicis des Cobourg has AT LAST been published !!

Oh, lucky you are. I guess the text is very interesting...
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Post by: Paola on September 14, 2007, 02:33:03 AM
Iam also very interested in this book but in  Amazon Fr.  like in many other online bookstores it is still not available. Agneschen, in which bookstore you bought your copy? Thanks.
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Post by: Agneschen on September 14, 2007, 03:46:17 PM
I had first ordered it on amazon.fr but they sent me an e.mail stating they would not be able to send the book before november so I got bored and cancelled my order. I jumped on the first copy I found in Galignani bookshop in Paris (where I buy the major part of my books about royalty apart from the Internet). The Clémentine bio is as just interesting and full of details as the other bios by Olivier Defrance. I was only disappointed there was so little on the youth of Clémentine's daughters Clotilde & Amalie but I guess documents on that subject are simply scarce. Gorgeous pics of these 2 princesses to be found though.
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Post by: Paola on September 15, 2007, 02:52:32 AM
Thanks. I will try to contact Galignani. Iam tired to wait for this book. I also ordered by Amazon, but like you say only in November.
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 15, 2007, 10:55:53 AM
Agneschen, could you please show us some pictures? It's so hard to find pics of Amalie and I'm so much interested in her!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 16, 2007, 09:50:10 PM
Not a lot on her. just a few posed shots and the marriage pictures.  :(
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 23, 2007, 01:56:53 AM
Not a lot on her. just a few posed shots and the marriage pictures.  :(

Oh, I like these pictures a lot. ;-) Most of them I have never seen before. The pic of Clémentine in a black dress with her little grandson Luitpold is really touching.
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Post by: José on November 05, 2007, 11:52:21 AM
He was the 8th child of LouisPhilippe and Marie Amélie.
He was born in 1820 and died in 1828.
His immediate elder brother was François dk of Joinville and he was followed by Henri dk of Aumale.
What did he die of ?
Are there any pics of him, despite having died so young ?
Royals used to command portraits of their children from very early age, so maybe someone has spotted one of little Charles.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by: Aliocha on November 10, 2007, 02:27:39 PM
Hello,
You're right: Charles is born in 1820 and died 8 years later; but he was knew as "Charles de Penthièvre" (his brother Antoine, born in 1824, was "de Montpensier").
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Post by: Tybalt on February 06, 2008, 11:49:32 AM
http://s135.photobucket.com/albums/q133/geneaguy/?action=view&current=CharlesdOrlans18201828ducdePenthivr.jpg
i think there is another pic of him but i don't remeber where i have seen it
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Post by: Mari on February 07, 2008, 03:44:51 AM
Very nice photo! Thank you!
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Post by: beladona on May 07, 2008, 03:51:27 PM
I have read, that little Charles was mentally and physically ill, is that true?
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Post by: tecklenburg on May 08, 2008, 01:54:56 AM
Hello

I read in the biography of Louis-Philippe by Michel de Grèce that HSH The duke of Penthièvre had a poor health so that his parents decided to make him a clerk. If he had lived, he would have probably been an abbot or a bishop.
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Post by: Norbert on May 08, 2008, 04:07:18 AM
sorry i can't give you the reference but I have a note that he was mentally handicapped.
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Post by: REMI on May 08, 2008, 09:31:54 AM
sorry i can't give you the reference but I have a note that he was mentally handicapped.

January 1st 1820: Marie-Amélie, duchess of Orléans, future Queen of the French, eight months gone, is attending the ceremony of the New year at the Court. She has been standing all the day. She cannot sit down.Towards night, at home, she brings to light  a boy named Charles and styled duc de Penthièvre. He'll be called "Pimpin" by his parents. Having a premature child at that time is a disaster. The father, duke of Orléans, realized that his son will not  be able to live.He is physically weak and mentally retarded. Marie Amélie writes in his diary: "The poor little Penthièvre".  A servant, Joseph Uginet, who is also a... police spy, looks after the little sick boy with a great attachment. Lingering illness and convulsions suceed each other alternately. "Pimpin" dies in dreadful spasms on july 25th 1828.
The description given by his mother let think that the child had been probably suffering from epilepsy....(Source: Marie-Amélie's diary)

REMI
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Post by: José on May 08, 2008, 04:24:21 PM
Thanks for answering this long-forgotten thread.
Lovely picture, and very poignant considering what was said about him.
I knew nothing of his condition, despite his early death could have been dictated by a poor health.

About his nephews.
Henri duke of Aumale had, at least 7 children, of which only 2 arrived to adulthood:
Louis-Philippe, pr. de Condé (1845-66) and
François, duke of Guise (1854-72)

I imagine there are photos of both and someone hopefully will post them.
What did they die of , one at 21, the other at 28 ?

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=pt;i=198609

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Post by: Norbert on May 09, 2008, 06:30:46 AM
yes, thank you for that
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Post by: Mari on May 09, 2008, 01:51:53 PM
Photograph of Louis Phillipe 1845-1866( scroll down #16)  Buried at Chapelle Royale St.Louis, Dreux.  Same Burial Place for the siblings.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/bourbon/bbsicilie2/1885%2520Philippe.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.royaltyguide.nl/families/bourbon/bborleans2.htm&h=246&w=163&sz=8&hl=en&start=12&sig2=S4aL7VBbXbj-O1_Ru5Ibrw&um=1&tbnid=SRr6kqXKq928nM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=73&ei=KpYkSO-hPJ3UhQKGxeHGDA&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPrince%2Bde%2BConde,%2BLouis%2BPhillipe,%2Bprince%2Bde%2BConde%2B1845-1866%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DbcC%26sa%3DG
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Post by: José on May 09, 2008, 02:54:45 PM
Thanks a lot.
I know that site but I have never seen such photo.
It must have been put there recently.

Let's hope someone will find a picture of his brother Guise.
I suppose at their parent's "house", Chateau de Chantilly, there will be paintings of both brothers.

Condé does not look very healthy.
Or may be it is just that romantic blasé poise.
Anybody knows what did he die of ?
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Post by: REMI on May 10, 2008, 08:31:08 AM
Thanks for answering this long-forgotten thread.
Lovely picture, and very poignant considering what was said about him.
I knew nothing of his condition, despite his early death could have been dictated by a poor health.

About his nephews.
Henri duke of Aumale had, at least 7 children, of which only 2 arrived to adulthood:
Louis-Philippe, pr. de Condé (1845-66) and
François, duke of Guise (1854-72)

I imagine there are photos of both and someone hopefully will post them.
What did they die of , one at 21, the other at 28 ?

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=pt;i=198609





Dear José
1) Louis Philippe d'Orléans, prince de Condé, "Guégué" for his family, died in Sydney (Australia) in 1866, may 24th of thyphoidal fever against which the medecine can nothing at that time.The prince was engaged  with his first cousin Marguerite, duke of Nemours's daughter. In 1863, the prince Louis Philippe dissuaded his father to accept the throne of Greece.
You can find a pic of Condé on www.royalguide.nl/families/bourbon/bborleans.
2) As for François d'Orléans, duc de Guise, he died (at 18 years old and no at 28) of "terrible thyphoidal fever", following Berthe  of Clinchamp, Duke of Aumale's friend. In his agenda, duke of Aumale says: "scarlet fever". Other sources mention: "cerebral illness (?)
The prince François called his father: "Pips" !
He has left a diary.
The painter JALABERT has  left portraits of the two princes .
Sources:" Le duc d'Aumale" by Raymond CHAZELLES (in french).

Remi
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: José on May 11, 2008, 11:12:58 AM
Thanks Rémi for your post.

And the age correction. You know, me and maths, we never went along.

Found this sketch of François:

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=pt;m=IMH;d=115086425;i=198574;k=/francois.4.d_orleans

Any chance of a pic of the comtesse de Clinchamps ? What's her story ?
Was there really a marraige ? Other Orléans princes are reputed to have secretely married - Emmanuel de Vendôme comes to mind, but it was never openly admitted...
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Post by: REMI on May 11, 2008, 12:05:08 PM
Dear José
The countess Berthe de Clinchamp began in Chantilly as Duchess of Aumale 's maid of honour. After the death of the Duchess, she stayed in the Castle and became Duke's maid... of heart (Michel of Greece dixit).She reigned on Chantilly. Many people think she married duke of Aumale but there is no proof of that. In the album about Count of Paris published in 1996 by his nephew Michel of Greece there is a pic of Berthe de Clinchamp (p.67)

REMI
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: José on May 12, 2008, 11:13:54 AM
Dear José
 In the album about Count of Paris published in 1996 by his nephew Michel of Greece there is a pic of Berthe de Clinchamp (p.67)

REMI


Dear REMI

Many thanks for your insight on Berthe.
Can you post her picture ?

José
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: REMI on May 12, 2008, 01:49:48 PM


Many thanks for your insight on Berthe.
Can you post her picture ?

José
[/quote]

Have you got the  pic of Berthe of Climchamp?

REMI
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: José on May 12, 2008, 04:01:41 PM
Yes. I received it well and fine.
An imposing figure.
Thank you once again

José
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Bourgogne on June 16, 2008, 06:03:22 AM
Isabelle's 4 children were from her 1st husband Count d'Harcourt.

Bernard (1925-1958)
m.1st 4 Nov 1948 (div 1949) Zenaide Rachewska (born 1 Sep 1930);
m.2d Paris 27 Jan 1951 Yvonne de Contades (born 22 Apr 1928)
> Bruno (born 1951)
> Francois (born 1953)

Gilone Jeanne Armande Anne Marie (born 1927)
m.Cany 9 Sep 1950 Antoine de Dreux-Brézé (born 1928)
> Laure de Dreux-Brézé (born 1951)
> Anne de Dreux-Brézé (1952-1953)
> Diane de Dreux-Brézé (born 1954)
> Anne-Pierre de Dreux-Brézé (1958-1958)
> Isabelle de Dreux-Brézé (1964-1966)

Isabelle Henriette Christiane Gabrielle Marie (1927-1993)
m.Paris 20 Oct 1948 Pr Louis Murat (born 1920)   
> Pierre Charles Marie Jean Joachim Napoléon (born 1949)
> Xavier Paul Marie Bruno Joachim Napoléon (1951-1951)
> Leïla Marie Isabelle Solange Monique Anne (born 1953)
> Laura Marguerite Marie Cécile Gilone (born 1954)
> Bernard Pierre Marie François Paul Joachim Napoléon (born 1959)
> Jérôme-Paul Louis Marie Joachim Napoléon (born 1966)

Monique Gabrielle Caroline Juliette Marie (born 1929)
m.Paris 1 Jul 1948 (rel) 3 Jul 1948 Cte Alfred Boulay de la Meurthe (born 1925)
> Gilone (born 1949)
> Iseult (born 1956)



Monique Gabrielle Caroline Juliette Marie d'Harcourt and Alfred Joseph Marie Stéphane Boulay de la Meurthe had another daughter, Laure (born in Rabat, Morocco, 27-04-1951).

She had 2 children with Sir Jimmy Goldsmith (uncle of the actress Clio Goldsmith and father of Jemina Goldsmith who married the pakistani cricket champion Imran Khan):

Charlotte (b.1983) and Jethro (b.1988), but Laure and Jimmy Goldsmith were not married and the children bear the name of their mother...
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Norbert on June 17, 2008, 11:52:27 AM
how the great have fallen eh?
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Bourgogne on June 19, 2008, 03:39:40 PM
how the great have fallen eh?

Indeed... But Sir Jimmy Goldsmith already had a quite bright kinship...

His first wife (1954) was Isabelle Patino, daughter of Cristina de Borbon, daughter of Fernando de Borbon, son of Pedro d'Alcantara de Borbon, duke of Durcal, son of Sebastian-Gabriel de Borbon-Braganza, grand-son of king Charles III of Spain.

And his father's aunt was Minna of Rothschild, first cousin of Bertha of Rothschild. And Bertha of Rothschild was princess of Wagram, her husband was Alexandre Berthier, prince and duke of Wagram, son of Napoléon Berthier and Zénaïde Clary (niece of Désirée Clary, queen of Sweden). And Napoléon Berthier was the son of Louis-Alexandre Berthier, prince of Neuchâtel et Valengin, prince de Wagram, and Elisabeth of Bavaria, aunt of duke Maximilian, Sissi's father...

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Post by: Yseult on September 03, 2008, 02:58:30 PM
I have these two pictures of Clementine...

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/ClementinedeOrleanslaterprincessSax.jpg)

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/ClementinedeOrleanslaterprincess-1.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on September 04, 2008, 01:37:46 AM
I have these two pictures of Clementine...


I'm sorry but that is not Clementine. The style of the dress is from the 1880s, and Clementine was born in 1817, so she definitely didn't look like a fashoinable decolleted lady about 30-40 years in the 1880s.
The woman in your picture looks like an actress.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: REMI on September 04, 2008, 01:55:30 AM
I don't think either she is Clémentine

REMI
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Mari on September 04, 2008, 02:09:10 AM
Princess Clementine d'Orleans

http://www.lagubiayeltas.us/images/Personajes/Clementinesaxe.jpg
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: REMI on September 04, 2008, 08:10:51 AM
Thanks, Mari. This lady is Clémentine well.

REMI
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Yseult on September 04, 2008, 10:44:54 AM
I have these two pictures of Clementine...


I'm sorry but that is not Clementine. The style of the dress is from the 1880s, and Clementine was born in 1817, so she definitely didn't look like a fashoinable decolleted lady about 30-40 years in the 1880s.
The woman in your picture looks like an actress.

Maybe you´re true...But the two pictures were found at the Base Joconde of the Ministery of Culture (French Ministery)...I´m surprised about Base Joconde identifying as princess Clementine a dancer...can be, of course, but I can´t understand such a mistake...
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: REMI on September 05, 2008, 08:15:28 AM


Maybe you´re true...But the two pictures were found at the Base Joconde of the Ministery of Culture (French Ministery)...I´m surprised about Base Joconde identifying as princess Clementine a dancer...can be, of course, but I can´t understand such a mistake...
[/quote]

Sorry, these pics cannot be found at the Base Joconde under the name of Clémentine d'Orléans. But you can find other photos, particularly this one of Clémentiine older with a very beautiful chlld.

REMI
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Yseult on September 05, 2008, 09:11:00 AM
You´re right, Remi. The images weren´t not under the name "Clementine d´Orleans", I made a research using the keyword "princesse" and the images appeared as "princesse clementine". I supposed -obviously, a mistake of mine...- she was Princesse Clementine d´Orleans, later princess Saxe-Coburg.
My fault...
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Yseult on September 05, 2008, 10:01:21 AM
BTW...do you know who is this princess of Saxe-Coburg?? The portrait was taken at the Atelier Adèle of Vienna circa 1869...

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/PrincessSaxeCoburgAtelierAdleViena1.jpg)

(Obviously, she wore a fancy dress...).
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: gogm on September 05, 2008, 10:42:10 AM
I  don't recognize her, but she appears to be dressed for a costume ball.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: REMI on September 05, 2008, 11:00:04 AM
You´re right, Remi. The images weren´t not under the name "Clementine d´Orleans", I made a research using the keyword "princesse" and the images appeared as "princesse clementine". I supposed -obviously, a mistake of mine...- she was Princesse Clementine d´Orleans, later princess Saxe-Coburg.
My fault...
Dear Yseut the two photos you have posted are kept in château of Chantilly. Base Joconde put a question mark because they were not sure.But I have just found who she is. This is Léonide Leblanc, actress (as Svetabel supposed it) and famous mistress of duke of Aumale, brother of Clémentine et Chantilly's landlord.
Best regards

REMI
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: REMI on September 05, 2008, 11:21:18 AM
BTW...do you know who is this princess of Saxe-Coburg?? The portrait was taken at the Atelier Adèle of Vienna circa 1869...

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/PrincessSaxeCoburgAtelierAdleViena1.jpg)

(Obviously, she wore a fancy dress...).

Bravo Yseut. Very nice portrait of Clémentine d'Orléans... with her famous big nose.

REMI
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Post by: Yseult on September 05, 2008, 11:54:29 AM
You´re right, Remi. The images weren´t not under the name "Clementine d´Orleans", I made a research using the keyword "princesse" and the images appeared as "princesse clementine". I supposed -obviously, a mistake of mine...- she was Princesse Clementine d´Orleans, later princess Saxe-Coburg.
My fault...
Dear Yseut the two photos you have posted are kept in château of Chantilly. Base Joconde put a question mark because they were not sure.But I have just found who she is. This is Léonide Leblanc, actress (as Svetabel supposed it) and famous mistress of duke of Aumale, brother of Clémentine et Chantilly's landlord.
Best regards

REMI

Perfectly clear, so. Thank you so much, Remi.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Svetabel on September 05, 2008, 01:16:36 PM

Bravo Yseut. Very nice portrait of Clémentine d'Orléans... with her famous big nose.

REMI


I'd say this could be her daughter Clothilde.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Paola on September 05, 2008, 02:21:12 PM
Yes, could be Clotilde. Mother and daughter were quite similar. But if the portrait say Princess of Saxe Coburg, it has to be Clementine.  In 1869, Clementine was in her 50's while Clotilde was in the 20's. The woman in the picture doesn't look so young to be Clotilde.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Mari on September 05, 2008, 10:21:25 PM
Look at the link I posted and it is Clementine.....could someone load the image from post 4 and put on and then We can see more clearly.
Thank you so much!
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Post by: REMI on September 06, 2008, 02:55:35 AM
There is but little doubt, Mari: I think the pic of the link  you  posted  on september 4, and this posted by Yseut show  the same person, Clémentine d'Orléans.

REMI
PS: Sorry! I do not know how manage to load images!
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Post by: Paola on January 13, 2009, 07:36:35 AM
Olivier Defrance wrote a wonderful biography of Clementine. All his books are very good.  Does anyone know if Olivier Defrance is plannnig a new book in the next times and about whom?
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Agneschen on April 03, 2009, 11:58:21 AM
Here is a picture I took of the altar of the chapel (Grand Trianon, Versailles) where Marie & Alexandre got married. The chapel is very small and plain (I wondered why they did not marry in Versailles castle's chapel which is so beautiful).
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/agnessa/Versailles/th_GrandTrianon-chapelle.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/agnessa/Versailles/GrandTrianon-chapelle.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: REMI on April 03, 2009, 04:01:22 PM
Here is a picture I took of the altar of the chapel (Grand Trianon, Versailles) where Marie & Alexandre got married. The chapel is very small and plain (I wondered why they did not marry in Versailles castle's chapel which is so beautiful).
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/agnessa/Versailles/th_GrandTrianon-chapelle.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/agnessa/Versailles/GrandTrianon-chapelle.jpg)

For Marie's parents, this marriage was not much brilliant. Alexander of Wurtemberg was only the youngest in his family, the fifth son...Besides, the wedding was mixed: Roman Catholic and Lutherian...

REMI
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 06, 2009, 07:05:39 AM
BTW...do you know who is this princess of Saxe-Coburg?? The portrait was taken at the Atelier Adèle of Vienna circa 1869...

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/PrincessSaxeCoburgAtelierAdleViena1.jpg)

(Obviously, she wore a fancy dress...).


This lady is neither Clémentine nor Clotilde, but Princess Amélie (future duchess in Bavaria) - no doubt about it.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Agneschen on April 06, 2009, 07:46:49 AM
I agree with you Marie. There is another pic from the same sitting in Paoli's bio of Clémentine.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 06, 2009, 08:12:39 AM
I agree with you Marie. There is another pic from the same sitting in Paoli's bio of Clémentine.

Are there also pics of Clotilde in Paoli's biography? If so, I would love to see them.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Agneschen on April 06, 2009, 08:34:02 AM
There are 3 or 4. I will send them to you as soon as I have scanned them.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on April 06, 2009, 05:07:49 PM
Maybe you could post a few here as well. I would love to see them.

Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 07, 2009, 04:55:57 AM
There are so many nice photos of Clémentine and her children, but you have to search a long time to find them.

Here are some pics of Amélie and Clotilde:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/amalie08.jpg)

Amélie

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/clotilde22.jpg)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/clotilde19.jpg)

Clotilde
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 07, 2009, 04:58:35 AM

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/amalie_clotilde_clemetine01.jpg)

Clémentine and her daughters - I wish I could have a better version

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/amalie_fam01a.jpg)

Clémentine's children and in-laws
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Svetabel on April 07, 2009, 05:12:01 AM
MarieCharlotte, your photos are just wonderful as always. Thanks for sharing the photos of Amalie and Clothilde.
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Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on April 07, 2009, 11:42:56 AM
AMALIE
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/PrincessClothilde-1.jpg)(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/amelie.jpg)
In the first one I have seen her identified as Clotilde, but I believe it is Amalie.

AMALIE et CLOTILDE
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/m505205_ph-844-scan_p.jpg)

AUGUST
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/august2.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Louis-Philippe_de_Bourbon_crop.jpg)

I think Clemetine was one of the children who most resembled her father. This explains Augusts likeness to King Louis-Philippe.
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Post by: Jose II on April 07, 2009, 04:19:23 PM
Does somebody have any photos of Pedro, son of Auguste and Leopoldina of Bragança ?

Due to the fact that Crown-Princess Isabel of Brazil stayed so many years without descendance, his grand-father Emperor D.Pedro II thought of making him his heir.

Later, the wheels of fortune changed for poor Pedro - her aunt finally started producing babies and he became mad :-(
Not that one thing led to the other :-)

Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 07, 2009, 04:46:14 PM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/PrincessClothilde-1.jpg)
In the first one I have seen her identified as Clotilde, but I believe it is Amalie.

Yes, it's Amélie. There is a picture of Clotilde wearing the same dress, but she doesn't look as shy as her little sister on it. I have also a picture from the same sitting showing the sisters together.

In most of the pictures which were taken during Amélie and Clotilde's childhood, they wear the same dresses. Maybe that was cheaper ... :p
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Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on April 07, 2009, 04:50:20 PM
Does somebody have any photos of Pedro, son of Auguste and Leopoldina of Bragança ?

I had posted a few in the Saxe-Coburg-Braganza thread, over on the Iberian Families board, a few days ago.

(http://www.erroluys.com/images/800px-Familia_Imperial_1887.jpg)
In this well published group shot, he is seated far right, and his brother August Leopold is standing left behind little cousin Pedro Alcantara.


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Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on April 08, 2009, 08:40:13 AM

In most of the pictures which were taken during Amélie and Clotilde's childhood, they wear the same dresses. Maybe that was cheaper ... :p

a la Lenchen and Louise of England.

Unfortunately this can make identification of sisters difficult for even the most seasoned Royal enthusiasts.

Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Agneschen on April 08, 2009, 09:42:43 AM
In most of the pictures which were taken during Amélie and Clotilde's childhood, they wear the same dresses. Maybe that was cheaper ... :p

I am not sure it was a question of money. It may just have been the custom during the XIXth century. Just look at pictures of Queen Victoria's daughters or inumerable granddaughters, sisters were dressed alike.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Paola on April 08, 2009, 09:57:23 AM
Does somebody have any photos of Pedro, son of Auguste and Leopoldina of Bragança ?

Due to the fact that Crown-Princess Isabel of Brazil stayed so many years without descendance, his grand-father Emperor D.Pedro II thought of making him his heir.

Later, the wheels of fortune changed for poor Pedro - her aunt finally started producing babies and he became mad :-(
Not that one thing led to the other :-)








What was the real  reason of Pedro's madness?
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Paola on April 08, 2009, 09:59:49 AM
In most of the pictures which were taken during Amélie and Clotilde's childhood, they wear the same dresses. Maybe that was cheaper ... :p

I am not sure it was a question of money. It may just have been the custom during the XIXth century. Just look at pictures of Queen Victoria's daughters or inumerable granddaughters, sisters were dressed alike.


Yes, I would say it was a custom . I think it was not a matter of money. Their father was a Saxe Coburg Kohary, a very rich Prince.
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Post by: Agneschen on April 08, 2009, 10:00:28 AM
AMALIE et CLOTILDE
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/m505205_ph-844-scan_p.jpg)

Another pic from the same sitting, with princesses Helena & Louise of Great Britain :
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/agnessa/Royalty/th_BritainCoburgpcesses.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/agnessa/Royalty/BritainCoburgpcesses.jpg)
I suppose these pictures must have been taken during a Coburg trip to England.
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 08, 2009, 10:07:34 AM
In most of the pictures which were taken during Amélie and Clotilde's childhood, they wear the same dresses. Maybe that was cheaper ... :p

I was just joking ... of course, it was no matter of money.
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 10, 2009, 09:16:04 AM

(http://fachkataloge.bsb-muenchen.de/img/port-004615.jpg)

Amélie, Max Emanuel and their sons Siegfried and Christoph.
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 01, 2009, 05:46:52 AM
I just read that Ferdinand Philippe was deeply in love with Archduchess Maria Theresia, daughter of Archduke Karl and future Queen of the Two Sicilies. He even made two proposals to her, but Metternich was against this plan. Does anybody know more about it?
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Post by: Veronica on June 01, 2009, 02:42:20 PM
I just read that Ferdinand Philippe was deeply in love with Archduchess Maria Theresia, daughter of Archduke Karl and future Queen of the Two Sicilies. He even made two proposals to her, but Metternich was against this plan. Does anybody know more about it?

Hi MarieCharlotte. I've read that not only Metternich and her family were against the match, but also Nicholas Tsar of Russia. And that the reason for Metternich's rejection was that he didn't want another french, and in this case the heir of Louis Philippe, marrying an austrian archduchess, like it had happened with Marie Louise and Napoleon.
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Post by: Agneschen on June 01, 2009, 03:00:54 PM
I just read that Ferdinand Philippe was deeply in love with Archduchess Maria Theresia, daughter of Archduke Karl and future Queen of the Two Sicilies. He even made two proposals to her, but Metternich was against this plan. Does anybody know more about it?

According to the late Countess of Paris in her bio of Queen Marie Amélie, it was Archduchess Maria Theresia who was in love with Ferdinand. All Ferdinand saw in her was a prestigious alliance. His first choice had apparently been Archduchess Augusta of Tuscany (who married Luitpold of Bavaria) but in both cases Metternich opposed the match. Princess Sophie of Württemberg (future Queen of the Netherlands) as well as princess Maria Cristina of the 2 Sicilies are also said to have caught his eye.
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Post by: Agneschen on June 06, 2009, 05:34:47 PM
Ferdinand reported that Maria Theresia looked "sickly & puny" and his sister Louise called her "the little Austrian runt". Hardly flattering ...
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Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 06, 2009, 07:19:29 PM
Quote
Ferdinand reported that Maria Theresia looked "sickly & puny" and his sister Louise called her "the little Austrian runt". Hardly flattering ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Philippe,_Duke_of_Orl%C3%A9ans

I know that Wikipedia cannot be always trusted but the section on Ferdinand Philippe's marriage has a lot of interesting quotes form Louise who seems to have had a vitriolic tongue.

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Marc on June 08, 2009, 06:10:30 PM
Yes,great section...I always loved those kind of marriage stories and comments,of course ;)
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Post by: Marie Valerie on July 18, 2009, 02:43:03 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/B11288443T11288448.jpg)

Clementine and her daughters Amalie and Clothilde
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Post by: LenelorMiksi on August 17, 2009, 07:17:00 PM
I'm trying to identify all of the people in this portrait at the Chateau d'Eu in 1845... some of them are eluding me. 

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/LenelorMiksi/ChateaudEu.jpg)

So far I believe -

The Children left to right
1. Robert, later Chartres
2. Louis Philipp, later Comte de Paris
3. Gaston Nemours
4. Ferdinand Nemours
5. August of Saxe-Coburg (baby)
6. Philipp of Württemberg
7. Philipp of Saxe-Coburg

The Ladies left to right
1. Hélène duchesse d'Orléans
2. unknown, maybe Alexandrine of Saxe-Coburg, nèe Baden
3. Marie Caroline duchesse d'Aumale
4. Adelaide d'Orléans, King Louis-Philippe's sister
5. Queen Victoria
6. Queen Marie Amelie
7. Clémentine Saxe-Coburg, nèe d'Orléans

Gentlemen left to right
1. unknown
2. King Louis-Philippe
3. Albert, Prince Consort
4. François Prince of Joinville (primarily due to hair color and style of beard)
5. August of Saxe-Coburg

Due to the ages of the children, it seems to me that the Nemours boys are in the painting, but where's Victoire?  I've been trying to compare other paintings but thought I'd seek the expertise of those on the board!

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Post by: Agneschen on August 18, 2009, 04:21:32 AM
Men standing (from left to right) : Prince of Salerno (Leopoldo of the 2 Sicilies), King Louis-Philippe, François Joinville, Prince Albert, August of Saxe-Coburg (Kohari).

The women & children are (from left to right) : Hélène Duchess of Orléans with her 2 sons Robert Chartres & Philippe Paris, Princess of Salerno (hat with green ribbons), her daughter Carolina "Lina" Aumale, Mme Adélaïde (Louis-Philippe's sister), QV, Queen Marie-Amélie with 3 of her grandsons : Gaston Eu (in the red dress), Ferdinand Alençon (blond toddler next to Gaston), Philipp of Würtemberg (elder boy, standing behind), Clémentine of Saxe-Coburg with her 2 sons (baby August on her lap & Philipp in the foreground).


I'm trying to identify all of the people in this portrait at the Chateau d'Eu in 1845... some of them are eluding me. 

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/LenelorMiksi/ChateaudEu.jpg)

So far I believe -

The Children left to right
1. Robert, later Chartres
2. Louis Philipp, later Comte de Paris
3. Gaston Nemours
4. Ferdinand Nemours
5. August of Saxe-Coburg (baby)
6. Philipp of Württemberg
7. Philipp of Saxe-Coburg

The Ladies left to right
1. Hélène duchesse d'Orléans
2. unknown, maybe Alexandrine of Saxe-Coburg, nèe Baden
3. Marie Caroline duchesse d'Aumale
4. Adelaide d'Orléans, King Louis-Philippe's sister
5. Queen Victoria
6. Queen Marie Amelie
7. Clémentine Saxe-Coburg, nèe d'Orléans

Gentlemen left to right
1. unknown
2. King Louis-Philippe
3. Albert, Prince Consort
4. François Prince of Joinville (primarily due to hair color and style of beard)
5. August of Saxe-Coburg

Due to the ages of the children, it seems to me that the Nemours boys are in the painting, but where's Victoire?  I've been trying to compare other paintings but thought I'd seek the expertise of those on the board!


Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on August 18, 2009, 12:06:21 PM
oh thank you agneschen! i had been wondering about some of the older sitters.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: HSH The Duchess of Bourbon on November 12, 2009, 03:22:29 PM
i was wondering - during his reign, what werre the styles of his children and male line descendants? i know prior to his reign that they were styled with ''Serene Highness'' as they held the rank of Princes of the Blood (prince du Sang)

but what after? was it Royal Highness? and also, where they styled Prince/ess of France, Prince/ess of the French or Prince/ess of Orléans?!?!?
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Bourgogne on November 13, 2009, 05:42:08 AM
Louis-Philippe's family received the title of Royal Highness before Louis-Philippe's reign.

They were Serene Highness until the 21 september 1824.

The 21 september 1824, King Louis XVIII accorded the title of Royal Highness to Louis-Philippe and to all his children, and to Louis-Philippe's sister Adélaïde.

For Marie-Amélie, she had already the title of Royal Highness, because she was daughter of the King of Two-Sicilies (and in the french court, she was more "high-ranking" than her husband. When they were in front of a door, she was going into the room before her husband, with the double-door completely open, and only after her, he came into, with the double-door just half-open!).

Then, when Louis-Philippe became King, his family had already the title of Royal Highness.

For the other part of the question, Louis-Philippe decided by an ordonnance, the 13 august 1830, that his children would continue to bear the name and the arms of Orléans, the sons with just their usual title (duke of Orléans, duke of Nemours, Prince of Joinville, duke of Aumale and duke of Montpensier), the daughters with the titles of "Princesses Louise, Marie and Clémentine of Orléans".

So they were styled Prince/ess of Orléans, and were never styled Prince/ess of France, Prince/ess of the French.

An exception : the heir, duke of Orléans, had also the title of "Royal Prince of the French" (Prince Royal des Français).
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: HSH The Duchess of Bourbon on November 13, 2009, 10:08:48 AM
Louis-Philippe's family received the title of Royal Highness before Louis-Philippe's reign.

They were Serene Highness until the 21 september 1824.

The 21 september 1824, King Louis XVIII accorded the title of Royal Highness to Louis-Philippe and to all his children, and to Louis-Philippe's sister Adélaïde.

For Marie-Amélie, she had already the title of Royal Highness, because she was daughter of the King of Two-Sicilies (and in the french court, she was more "high-ranking" than her husband. When they were in front of a door, she was going into the room before her husband, with the double-door completely open, and only after her, he came into, with the double-door just half-open!).

Then, when Louis-Philippe became King, his family had already the title of Royal Highness.

For the other part of the question, Louis-Philippe decided by an ordonnance, the 13 august 1830, that his children would continue to bear the name and the arms of Orléans, the sons with just their usual title (duke of Orléans, duke of Nemours, Prince of Joinville, duke of Aumale and duke of Montpensier), the daughters with the titles of "Princesses Louise, Marie and Clémentine of Orléans".

So they were styled Prince/ess of Orléans, and were never styled Prince/ess of France, Prince/ess of the French.

An exception : the heir, duke of Orléans, had also the title of "Royal Prince of the French" (Prince Royal des Français).

thaaankk you =]
i did not understand how they were styled at all
the door story really is ridiculous is it not? ha such was the world of the French court! lol

Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Bourgogne on November 13, 2009, 05:28:08 PM
Well, I must confess I don't find this ridiculous... Or I should say I'm a bit ridiculous myself, because I find all these questions of Etiquette rather fascinating!

But it was a typically french obsession. If you read the Mémoires of Saint-Simon, you're astounded how he can write ten or twenty pages about an armchair to give or not to give to this prince, when he's in front of this other prince, more or less high-ranking than the first, and so on (read for example the page about the visit of the duke of Lorraine in Paris, to see his brother-in-law the Regent).

There is also a page very interesting in the Mémoires of Mme de Boigne, about Louis XVIII's death.

Before Louis XVIII's death, the duchess of Angoulême was more high-ranking than her husband, because she was daughter of a King (Louis XVI), and her husband was just the nephew of the King. Then, like for Marie-Amélie and Louis-Philippe, the duchess of Angoulême always was going before her husband when they were in front of a door (but, slight difference, the door was always completely open for the duke too, because the rank difference was less distant between the duke and the duchess of Angoulême, than between Louis-Philippe and Marie-Amélie : the Angoulême were daughter/nephew of Kings, the Orléans were daughter/only far descendant of Kings).

And this day, all the royal family was assembled in Louis XVIII's bedroom to assist to his death. And the King died. The duchess of Angoulême liked his uncle very much, and was in tears. She gone with her husband to leave the bedroom, and was on the brink of going through the door before her husband, like she always had done before.

But at this moment, she remembered that since a few minutes, her husband was, like her, the son of a King (the new king, Charles X, Louis XVIII's brother), but moreover son of the reigning King, then now more high than her. So she stopped immediately and moved back, and said to her husband, through her tears : "You go first, Monsieur le dauphin!"

Mme de Boigne, seeing this, was amazed, because she could not understand how the duchess of Angoulême, who was completely distressed, could in the same time never forget the minor detail of the Etiquette...

Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: REMI on November 14, 2009, 02:48:25 AM
Louis-Philippe's family received the title of Royal Highness before Louis-Philippe's reign.

They were Serene Highness until the 21 september 1824.

The 21 september 1824, King Louis XVIII accorded the title of Royal Highness to Louis-Philippe and to all his children, and to Louis-Philippe's sister Adélaïde.


The title of Royal Highness was granted to Louis-Philippe, duke of Orléans, not by Louis XVIII but Charles X, September 21, 1824, five days after the death of Louis XVIII which occured September 16, 1824.
Louis XVIII hated too much his cousin Orléans to make him  such an honor...

REMI
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Bourgogne on November 14, 2009, 09:56:43 AM
YES OF COURSE!!!

Charles X, not Louis XVIII...  It was just a slip...

Moreover, about Louis XVIII, Louis-Philippe himself said to Charles X, when the King informed him that he was now "Royal Hignhess" :

- I must say, Sire, that the late King never wanted to admit this...
- Yes, I know, he had a little foible about this, some ideas which I don't think fair, but you must agree that your situation is a little awkward...

Marie-Amélie reports all this very interesting conversation between Charles X and her husband in her "Journal"...
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: HSH The Duchess of Bourbon on November 16, 2009, 01:40:50 PM
Well, I must confess I don't find this ridiculous... Or I should say I'm a bit ridiculous myself, because I find all these questions of Etiquette rather fascinating!

But it was a typically french obsession. If you read the Mémoires of Saint-Simon, you're astounded how he can write ten or twenty pages about an armchair to give or not to give to this prince, when he's in front of this other prince, more or less high-ranking than the first, and so on (read for example the page about the visit of the duke of Lorraine in Paris, to see his brother-in-law the Regent).

There is also a page very interesting in the Mémoires of Mme de Boigne, about Louis XVIII's death.

Before Louis XVIII's death, the duchess of Angoulême was more high-ranking than her husband, because she was daughter of a King (Louis XVI), and her husband was just the nephew of the King. Then, like for Marie-Amélie and Louis-Philippe, the duchess of Angoulême always was going before her husband when they were in front of a door (but, slight difference, the door was always completely open for the duke too, because the rank difference was less distant between the duke and the duchess of Angoulême, than between Louis-Philippe and Marie-Amélie : the Angoulême were daughter/nephew of Kings, the Orléans were daughter/only far descendant of Kings).

And this day, all the royal family was assembled in Louis XVIII's bedroom to assist to his death. And the King died. The duchess of Angoulême liked his uncle very much, and was in tears. She gone with her husband to leave the bedroom, and was on the brink of going through the door before her husband, like she always had done before.

But at this moment, she remembered that since a few minutes, her husband was, like her, the son of a King (the new king, Charles X, Louis XVIII's brother), but moreover son of the reigning King, then now more high than her. So she stopped immediately and moved back, and said to her husband, through her tears : "You go first, Monsieur le dauphin!"

Mme de Boigne, seeing this, was amazed, because she could not understand how the duchess of Angoulême, who was completely distressed, could in the same time never forget the minor detail of the Etiquette...



Monsieur Bourgogne, i did not mean to offend, to be fair i would rather live at Versailles any day of the week rather then Bath haha
do you have an online source for the meeting of Léopold de Lorraine and his brother in law the Regent, is that during the Regency by any chance?

also i do find the door issue amusing but like you said, the French obsession makes it silly ha =P
Au Revoir Mesdames et Messieurs
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: HSH The Duchess of Bourbon on December 23, 2009, 01:49:52 PM
that is a stunning portrait =]

Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on January 16, 2010, 06:59:47 PM
I believe that the unknown Gentleman and ady are the parents of the Duchess d'Aumâle, Prince Leopoldo and Princess Clementine of Bourbon-Two Sicilies.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2010, 07:37:58 PM
What a stunning portrait !
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: HSH The Duchess of Bourbon on February 03, 2010, 12:32:24 PM
this is a bit off from what people are talking about, but i was wondering..

does  anyone know what Charles d'Orléans (1820 – 1828) died of aged 8!? he was the third of six sons born to to Louis Philippe and Maria Amalia...!
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: kmerov on February 17, 2010, 04:33:37 PM
Does anyone know if all the descendants in male line of Louis Philippe were Royal Highnesses? I'm wondering since that was not the case under L'Ancien Régime, where it was restricted to children and granchildren of the King and the Dauphin.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Éole on March 28, 2010, 12:43:14 PM
So I found lithographs (by Henri Grevedon) made after paintings Winterhalter made of the Orléans family, four of them I have never seen. Does someone have the original?

Here they are:

Adélaïde d'Orléans, ''Madame Adélaïde'' (1777-1847)
(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae221/EDT95/Portraits/AdladedOrlansWinterhalter.png)

Marie d'Orléans and son Philipp Alexander of Württemberg
(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae221/EDT95/Portraits/MariedOrlansPhilippAlexandervonWrtt.png)

Marie's son Philipp Alexander
(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae221/EDT95/Portraits/PhilippAlexandervonWrttembergFXWint.png)

Robert, duc de Chartres
(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae221/EDT95/Portraits/RobertducdeChartresFXWinterhalter.png)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on March 29, 2010, 01:29:23 PM
These are probably all over the forum..
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/87-000019.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/m502004_87ee39_p.jpg)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Éole on March 29, 2010, 07:20:23 PM
These are probably all over the forum..

Yes, I found them meanwhile.

Adélaïde's portrait from the French Ministry of Culture (they've got great collections).
(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae221/EDT95/Portraits/AdladedOrlansWinterhaltercolour.jpg)

I haven't found yet about that of Robert...
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: CountessKate on April 09, 2010, 02:10:57 PM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/cfarnon/DucChartres.jpg)

Small, but in colour at least.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Éole on April 09, 2010, 05:02:46 PM
Great thanks! (Not that small, I think that's a good size actually, we've seen worst!)
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Mari on April 11, 2010, 06:30:56 AM
French Ministry of Culture has great Collections but I can't find the link to the Paintings!  Normally I can find anything but I keep going in the wrong place....Can you give me the Link? 
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Éole on April 11, 2010, 08:15:44 AM
--» http://www.culture.fr/fr/sections/collections/accueil (http://www.culture.fr/fr/sections/collections/accueil) :-)
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Post by: Rani on September 11, 2010, 09:03:41 AM
http://www.chateaudechantilly.com/chateauchantilly/uk/galeriepeinture.html#


Paintings of the Duc of d´Aumale an wife
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 25, 2010, 11:18:05 AM
Been there ! A must see.  :)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 18, 2010, 12:10:01 PM
Handtinted image of the era of Marie Caroline, Duchesse D`Aumale

(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5442/m505204pe817photomdp.jpg) (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/m505204pe817photomdp.jpg/)

 
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Post by: THERRY on November 19, 2010, 02:16:42 AM
A really rarity and new for me
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: LenelorMiksi on November 21, 2010, 05:41:17 PM
Marie Caroline looks much prettier in the hand-tinted photograph than in the painting by Jalabert.  Her expression is less severe.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on November 29, 2010, 10:32:36 AM
King Louis-Philippe's favorite vacation home was the Château d'Eu near Treport.

The Louis-Philippe Museum functions there and a worthy association is in place to keep the memory of the Orléans alive.

http://erhj.blogspot.com/2010/11/worthy-association-louis-philippe.html

Enjoy, Arturo Beéche
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Post by: AlexofLisbon on November 30, 2010, 09:59:35 AM
Dear All,

is any of you aware if the Orléans family's ADN has ever been tested? I'm particularly interested in Phillipe Égalité, his sister Louise Marie Thérèse Bathilde or Louis Phillipe I or his siblings's DNA.
If a profile of any of this persons is available this would be an important aid to the work I'm developing for sometime.
I know that the presumable blood of King Louis XVI has been tested and apparently it matches on the physical type of person we know he was but I would rather have the Orléans part of the family.
Many, many thanks,
Alexandre
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Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on June 15, 2013, 01:35:26 PM
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2810108/the-duke-and-duchess-of-connaught-with-their-children-in-india (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2810108/the-duke-and-duchess-of-connaught-with-their-children-in-india)

Does anyone else besides me think this is Henri d'Orleans next to Arthur? The photo was taken c. 1888 and Henri was touring India in that year.

Sorry if this photo was already discussed, I tried to do a search of the threads.
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Post by: Svetabel on June 16, 2013, 11:46:20 AM
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2810108/the-duke-and-duchess-of-connaught-with-their-children-in-india (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2810108/the-duke-and-duchess-of-connaught-with-their-children-in-india)

Does anyone else besides me think this is Henri d'Orleans next to Arthur? The photo was taken c. 1888 and Henri was touring India in that year.

Sorry if this photo was already discussed, I tried to do a search of the threads.

yes, I'm pretty sure that's Henrie.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2013, 12:54:26 PM
Yes it looks like him...
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on June 17, 2013, 12:30:37 PM
thanks guys! im so glad I found this..
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: trentk80 on August 06, 2020, 12:34:41 AM
In case anyone is interested, among the documentation preserved in the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family archive, which is preserved in the Austrian State Archives in Vienna, there's the correspondence of Clementine d'Orleans, daughter of King Louis Philippe and mother of King Ferdinand I of Bulgaria. She kept correspondence with several royals around Europe, including members of the Brazilian, French, Belgian, Portuguese, British and Bulgarian royal families.

Among the royals who regularly wrote to Clementine, there were Queen Maria II of Portugal, Queen Marie Amelie of Portugal, Queen Marie Henriette of Belgium, Crown Princess Stephanie of Austria, Princess Louise of Belgium, Alexandrine of Baden (Duchess of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), Ferdinand I of Bulgaria, his first wife Marie Louise of Bourbon-Parma, Princess Helena of the United Kingdom, etc.

There is a huge amount of letters from Queen Victoria to Clementine preserved in this archive. It seems that they were good friends since they wrote to each other during half a century.
Title: Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
Post by: Marc on August 08, 2020, 07:47:01 AM
Among the royals who regularly wrote to Clementine, there were Queen Maria II of Portugal, Queen Marie Amelie of Portugal, Queen Marie Henriette of Belgium, Crown Princess Stephanie of Austria, Princess Louise of Belgium, Alexandrine of Baden (Duchess of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), Ferdinand I of Bulgaria, his first wife Marie Louise of Bourbon-Parma, Princess Helena of the United Kingdom, etc.

There is a huge amount of letters from Queen Victoria to Clementine preserved in this archive. It seems that they were good friends since they wrote to each other during half a century.

Well, I am not surprised as they all belonged to one family. Everyone of the mentioned above was a member of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha dynasty, either by birth or by marriage. It doesn't matter that reigned in several countries, they were still family and it's natural that they corresponded since they all knew each other very well.

It would be interesting maybe to read published correspondence in some near future.