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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Balkan Royal Families => Topic started by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2005, 11:26:21 AM

Title: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2005, 11:26:21 AM
I think quite a lot of people would like to know something about the Royal and Private jewelry of the Romanian family. Anyone with information ?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: palimpsest on November 07, 2005, 01:38:25 PM
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(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4835/0139tj.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas

Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: palimpsest on November 07, 2005, 01:49:41 PM
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The Steel Crown of Carol I, made with steel from a captured Turkish cannon after the Independence war of 1877

Romania became a kingdom in 1881 by crowning Carol I with this crown. Carol arrived in Romania [Walachia + Moldavia] in 1866 as was proclaimed "Principe" [head of state] and needed to go to Istanbul to be confirmed.

It is now in the National History Museum in Bucharest


(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9115/coroana25gh.jpg)

Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: palimpsest on November 07, 2005, 01:58:26 PM
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The coronation in Alba Iulia.

(http://img194.echo.cx/img194/6479/0265gi.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas

Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: palimpsest on November 07, 2005, 02:01:20 PM
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(http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/402/untitled18nh3ts.jpg)

Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: grandduchessella on November 07, 2005, 06:11:47 PM
Queen Marie had purchased Miechen's sapphire kokoshnik tiara

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/Marie39.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/MariePortrait2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/77002025QzYTDE_ph.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: grandduchessella on November 07, 2005, 06:13:54 PM
The Greek key tiara that Helen wears was purchased from Ducky as a wedding present when she married Carol.

Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: grandduchessella on November 07, 2005, 06:16:40 PM
Missy purchased the sapphires because she had lost almost all her jewelry in Russia where it had, ironically, been sent for safekeeping in 1916. Post-war, despite repeated diplomatic demands, it all just disappeared. QM was devastated and wrote to a friend that her jewels had been part of her dowry and 'my father died in debt. These jewels were all I had'.

After WW1, due to QM's heroic behavior during WW1 and her popularity w/the Romania public, Nando gave her carte blanche to replenish her collection.

She also purchased a tiara of Miechen's composed of 5 large sapphires (QM had the central one replaced with an even larger one).  As for the famous sautoir (and that sapphire WAS 478 carats--unbelievable!) it was left to King Michael who eventually had to sell it in exile. She had purchased the long diamond sautoir with the huge sapphire for 3,375,000 francs (in 1920s money!  :o ). A purchase this large had to be cleared with KF and her made arrangements to pay for the sapphire in 4 annuities, the last being in 1924.

The tiara was left to Ileana who eventually sold it to an American jeweler.  I think the sautoir was worn by King Michael's wife Anne at their wedding. The sapphire had already been sold. The sapphire was eventually bought by a Greek billionaire in 1948 who later gave it to Queen Frederica of Greece. She had it mounted to a pendant which later became the centerpiece of a necklace. There's a photo of QF wearing the necklace  for her 25th wedding anniversary. The sapphire itself sold in 2003 for $1,494,480.

tiara and diamond & sapphire necklace:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/Vladimir720Romania.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/Irene20et20Frederika1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/queenmariessapphire1.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2005, 08:33:38 PM
The second picture of Queen Mother Helen was actually wearing her mother, Queen Sophie of Greece's great tiara. Ferderica was also wearing that tiara in the photo with the sappaire.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: grandduchessella on November 07, 2005, 11:51:16 PM
I was referring to the first--that is Helen, isn't it?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2005, 07:38:48 AM
The first & second one are both Helen. The second one was the one Helen wore her mother's tiara.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: amelia on November 08, 2005, 07:44:46 AM
Where are these jewels now? Can the current Royal Family wear them?

Amelia
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2005, 09:14:45 AM
I think the Greek Key tiara is still with the family, and the long chain too. (Queen Anne wore them when she got married to King Michael). Princess Margarita can be seen waiting the tiara sometimes. The pearl Cartier tiara was given to Elisabetha, who either lost it or sold it in exile.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: grandduchessella on November 08, 2005, 10:51:39 AM
I read on danjel's old site that the Greek key tiara is the only tiara still in possession of the family--at least c.1996. I don't know about smaller pieces of jewelry.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2005, 11:00:31 AM
Don't forget the diamond chain, where the sappire use to hang. Yes I am afraid the rest of the lot was gone. divided between Elisabetha, Mignon and Ileana. I don't know if Prince Nicholas recieve a share in the jewels or not, or if he gave some to his morganetic wife.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: lancashireladandre on November 11, 2005, 12:43:23 PM
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Don't forget the diamond chain, where the sappire use to hang. Yes I am afraid the rest of the lot was gone. divided between Elisabetha, Mignon and Ileana. I don't know if Prince Nicholas recieve a share in the jewels or not, or if he gave some to his morganetic wife.

The chain on which the great sapphire hung had originally belonged to the american Nancy Leeds later Princess Anastasia,first wife of Prince Christopher of Greece. She removed the two large diamonds she wore as a pendant when she part exchanged the chain with Cartier. They hung the 438carat sapphire and sold it to Marie. After her death it passed to her daughter-in-law Queen Helen who gave it to Queen Anne in 1948 as a wedding gift.Anne wore it on her wedding day with another pendant. Shortly before his tragically early death in 1988,my friend Hans Nadelhoffer,author of the definitive history of Cartier went to a dinner party at the royal couples home. Queen Anne mentioned the sale of the sapphire & how it later was given by a greek magnate to Queen Fredrika. She said she had no idea where the chain was. Later she went to her jewel case to ask Hans opinion on a "trinket"( he was also head of  Christie's Europe)there in the bottom of the box lay in peices the chain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 29, 2005, 09:41:07 AM
I still wonder if Prince Nicholas had a share in his mother's jewels.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Laura_ on December 03, 2005, 07:51:12 AM
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I still wonder if Prince Nicholas had a share in his mother's jewels.


maybe a very "small share" ;)
Laura
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 03, 2005, 10:12:50 AM
A few pieces maybe...the large ones go to the daughters.  :(
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Laura_ on December 03, 2005, 11:00:34 AM
yes...poor Prince Nicholas :(i don't think Carol II left him something when he died :-/
Laura
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 03, 2005, 11:03:53 AM
I think he might have left him some money in form of a trust fund and some proprty.  ???
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Laura_ on December 03, 2005, 11:22:16 AM
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I think he might have left him some money in form of a trust fund and some proprty.  ???


he left almost nothing to Michael,why would he left something to Nicholas...i think everything was well kept for Lupescu
Laura
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 03, 2005, 11:28:35 AM
Nooo...I think King Ferdinand left those to his son, Nicholas. Why would Carol leave anything to his siblings? Elisabetha, Mignon and Ileana recieve something from their father. Why not Nicholas ?  ???
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: TampaBay on January 23, 2006, 09:20:29 AM
Does anyone know who currently owns Queen Marie's "Coronation" Sapphire pendant.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marina Cummings on January 23, 2006, 10:12:11 AM
You mean YOUR sapphire!! ;D ;D  it was sold by Christie's Geneva in November 2003, I think it was bought by an anonymous buyer.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: slavona on September 17, 2008, 01:35:08 PM
does anyone knows something about these tiaras? The picture are from after the war so they are new, not inherited.Plus you can see the LARGE sapphire in two of them. In the 3rd she is with her nephew Mihai.
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/2181481722_844e681ded_o.jpg)
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/Marie107.jpg)
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/mariamihai.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Laura_ on September 17, 2008, 02:42:45 PM
The lady in the 3rd pic is not Queen Marie of Romania. It's Queen Sophie of Greece with her grandson Michael. :)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 17, 2008, 04:34:18 PM
You are right.

Missy was wearing the huge sapphire in the first two postcards.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 20, 2008, 06:10:37 AM
Tiara of Grand Duchess Wladimir:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/komiechentn81.jpg)

Teeterboard diamond with sapphire of the Queen Marie, by Cartier:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/roumaniecolliercartierdlc31.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 20, 2008, 02:59:49 PM
Did Ducky sold Michen's tiara to Missy ?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: slavona on September 22, 2008, 09:19:00 AM
yes,in 1920
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Michael HR on September 22, 2008, 10:05:17 AM
Aren't they fabulous? The jewels of the family have always fascinated me and I love looking at them. Thanks for posting
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2008, 01:41:17 PM
Yes...I don't think Ducky herself had worn the sapphire tiara herself ?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: slavona on September 23, 2008, 07:18:04 AM
i don`t think so. Miechen died in 1920 and Kyrill inherited the sapphires  so Ducky sold it immediately ( after they resolved the situation with Boris )
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Michael HR on September 23, 2008, 08:23:52 AM
Such a shame they had to be sold. It would have been nice if they had stayed in the family for future generations.

Does Maria V' have any thing left from this period?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 23, 2008, 12:30:58 PM
I think you mean Miechen by Maria V right ?

She left her jewels to her children. Ducky, Helen, Boris and Andrei all got a share. Thanks to Bertie Stanpost, who smuggle them out.

Helen left hers to her daughters (Olga, Elisabeth & Marina). Ducky sold most of hers and left a bit to her children (Vladimir, Mushka and Kyra) and I think Boris sold his share and Andrei's wife ( Mathilde) lost hers in the gambling tables of Monte Carlo...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: grandduchessella on September 23, 2008, 03:00:09 PM
I think he literally meant Maria V (Maria Vladimirovna), the daughter of GD Vladimir and granddaughter of Ducky. I believe he wanted to know if the current claimant had any of the famous jewels of her great-grandmother. This might be better answered on one of the Imperial threads, however--if it hasn't already.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 23, 2008, 07:57:34 PM
You are right. However I don't see any notable heirlooms from Miechen...?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Luc on January 14, 2009, 10:36:36 AM
What tiara is Elisabetha wearing in the pic at the bottom of this page ?
http://www.royal-magazin.de/romania/index.htm
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 14, 2009, 11:08:38 AM
Queen Marie 's diamond and pearl tiara from Cartier (the same she wore for the cover of Time Magazine).
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: newfan on August 15, 2009, 11:54:40 PM
what happend to Queens Marie famous perls?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: newfan on August 16, 2009, 01:26:15 AM
sorry forgot to ask in pakulas book ,she writes about the Bolsheviks not wating t return something like $20mil romnanian gold and also QM jewels ,did they ever return any ..gold or the jewels?
thank you
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Svetabel on August 16, 2009, 04:18:22 AM
Seems Joe Boyle helped to return back a very small part of jewels but which ones I've never read exactly.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: newfan on August 16, 2009, 04:42:10 AM
He definitly seems like a amazing guy.
Thanks
I guess someplace in Russian valt there is the gold and jewels still
not just from Roumania
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Alejandro Spain on January 09, 2010, 10:01:00 AM
Hello! What do you know about the jewels belonged to Balkan Royal Families?

Regards and thanks!
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Alejandro Spain on January 09, 2010, 11:40:07 AM
Some photos:

(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9108/yugoslaviaqueenmarie2.jpg)

(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3464/kraljicamarija.jpg)

(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9995/28293979814eab503e9eo.jpg)

(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6763/2455935545b1a67f420bo.jpg)

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6172/358040793939a08a1420.jpg)

(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8830/10956149.jpg)

(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4582/olgau.jpg)

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/226/princessolga.jpg)

(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7083/sarolga.jpg)

(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9199/435pxwgif.jpg)

(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5328/ce0d0c25.jpg)

(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1370/margaritaofromaniawgree.jpg)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Gallaeciafulget/Mariejewels2.jpg)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Gallaeciafulget/MarieofRoumania.jpg)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Gallaeciafulget/Mariejewels4.jpg)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Gallaeciafulget/Mariejewels5.jpg)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Gallaeciafulget/MarieChandorportraits.jpg)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Gallaeciafulget/Mariejewels.jpg)

(Photos from "Foro Dinastías")
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marc on January 09, 2010, 11:58:32 AM
some more:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b223/dljgmail/oplenac/P6215051.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b223/dljgmail/oplenac/P6215045.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b223/dljgmail/oplenac/P6215055.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b223/dljgmail/oplenac/P6215056.jpg
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: slavona on February 07, 2010, 04:21:50 AM
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Gallaeciafulget/Mariejewels5.jpg)
Does anyone know what happened with this pearls tiara? It was inherited from her mother and latter by Elisabeta. And then?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 07, 2010, 03:29:13 PM
Either sold by Elisabetta or confiscated by the Communists.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: grandduchessella on February 08, 2010, 09:04:18 AM
There was already a thread on Balkan royal jewels so I have merged the 2. As always, please remember to do a search before starting a new thread. The mods work very hard to keep the Forum manageable--and this sub-forum is only 3 pages long, not much to search.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 17, 2010, 05:55:36 AM
Missy purchased the sapphires because she had lost almost all her jewelry in Russia where it had, ironically, been sent for safekeeping in 1916. Post-war, despite repeated diplomatic demands, it all just disappeared. QM was devastated and wrote to a friend that her jewels had been part of her dowry and 'my father died in debt. These jewels were all I had'.


It's interesting that Queen Marie wrote her father died in debt. I wouldn't have thought that. Besides Marie Coburg could surely have prevented this with her huge dowry & allowance! And the rest!
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marc on June 17, 2010, 10:03:02 AM
Didn't know that,how sad to hear that...any sources why was he in debt?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 17, 2010, 05:57:34 PM
I think Affie died without reconciled with his wife Marie. He blamed her for the death of their only son young Affie and the couple began to drift apart. I think QV would have paid for her son's debts.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marc on June 17, 2010, 06:52:41 PM
Were both of them called Affie?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 18, 2010, 09:01:51 AM
Yes. Family nicknames of course and not formal names as both were named "Alfred".
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marc on June 18, 2010, 10:48:54 AM
I know that,but they were father and son,so they must have called them senior and junior in order on to mix them...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 18, 2010, 01:14:54 PM
That is right Marc! Queen Victoria in her letters referred to her son as Affie and grandson as Alfred.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 19, 2010, 07:55:30 AM
Yes. He was referred to "Young Affie" in others.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 17, 2010, 05:25:08 PM
I really like most of the ones posted by Alejandro Spain, but most of them aren't really my taste.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 17, 2010, 09:54:01 PM
The emerald parure of Mignon used to belong to Ella, and nobody could doubt her taste in jewels.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: ashdean on August 18, 2010, 06:04:39 AM
The emerald parure of Mignon used to belong to Ella, and nobody could doubt her taste in jewels.
Only the tiara was retained though from the style it had been in 1908.The necklace was reset by Cartier (Paris) and there were reset  (or completely new?) earrings
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 18, 2010, 07:55:29 AM
Indeed. I like the way Ella wore it. It appears a bit more chunky in Mignon for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: KarlandZita on September 14, 2010, 08:28:44 AM
Earrings of emerald and diamond part of a pair that belonged to Princess Olga of Yugoslavia, who held her mother's Grand Duchess Helen of Russia :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/677998olgayu1.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=677998olgayu1.jpg)


This tiara was made by Boucheron for a Russian aristocrat, Princess Abamelek. She bequeathed it to her nephew Prince Paul of Yugoslavia, who offered his wife Olga of Greece :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/245941vbg_004.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=245941vbg_004.jpg)

This earring of turquoise and diamond also comes from the box of Princess Olga of Yugoslavia :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/342734olga2.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=342734olga2.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 14, 2010, 09:36:58 AM
Princess Olga had some lovely jewels and wore them royally. She got some from 1. Her mother Grand Duchess Helen of Russia. 2. Her grandmother Queen Olga of Russia. 3. Her husband Prince Paul of Yugoslavia. From the first two she recieve bequests when they died and earlier wedding presents. Her husband was also very rich and gave her lovely pieces...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: KarlandZita on September 14, 2010, 10:31:37 AM
Yes, she has even more beautiful pieces that her sister Marina, Duchess of Kent. I think, among other things, some beautiful necklaces with several rows of large diamonds.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 14, 2010, 01:27:03 PM
Indeed. I think the one that got the least was Wooley (Elisabeth). She only recieved the diamond fringe tiara from her mother and not much else.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on September 14, 2010, 03:05:06 PM
Those are all beautiful, especially the emerald one. :)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 14, 2010, 04:02:57 PM
The Russians are famous for their emeralds. Ella, Queen Olga & Miechen all have great emerald collections.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: KarlandZita on September 22, 2010, 06:08:19 AM
Drawing of Prince Ferdinand of Bulgaria's Crown, made in 1887 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Royal%20Jewels/ferdinand1887.jpg)

Couronnette of the two Queens of Bulgaria :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Royal%20Jewels/couronnette.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 22, 2010, 07:44:02 AM
The lovely tiara that Margarita wore in her wedding

(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9523/margaritaenradududa2109.jpg) (http://img522.imageshack.us/i/margaritaenradududa2109.jpg/)

It belongeg to Clementina Churchill (Info Thanks to Pedroro from H&V)

(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4078/clementineos2.jpg)

(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/4682/rumaniatiarabrillantes.jpg)

Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2010, 09:46:30 AM
She borrowed it from the Churchhill family ?  :o
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 22, 2010, 09:53:22 AM
I dont know if the Churchill`s sold it or borrowed it. I will investigate.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2010, 10:04:03 AM
Thanks. It would be a scandal if the churchills have to sell their jewels, or that the Romanians are rich enough to buy a tiara !
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 22, 2010, 10:09:51 AM
Essex tiara is very famous. Look here Julianna more posing with Santa who s holding it

(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/5241/moorecb3.jpg)

 

This was from a Cartier`s even in 2004 so probably they own the tiara now.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2010, 10:10:52 AM
You mean the Romanians ?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 22, 2010, 10:15:49 AM
Cartier
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2010, 10:17:32 AM
So the tiara was borrowed. OK.
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Post by: ashdean on September 22, 2010, 11:45:58 AM
The Tiara belonged to the Countess of Essex who loaned it to Clementine Churchill. Later it was sold to Cartier (who had originally made it ) for their archives collection.
They in turn lent it to Princess Margarita.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2010, 01:07:04 PM
I wonder why Margarita had to borrow a tiara, she could use the Greek Tiara that belonged to the family.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: grandduchessella on September 23, 2010, 10:19:43 AM
Could be any number of reasons--probably known only to her. Maybe she thinks it's ugly, or bad luck, or it's too heavy or it didn't suit her dress. Who knows? Brides have a variety of reasons why they do things.  :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 23, 2010, 10:34:23 AM
Yes. Maybe it was "something borrowed" ? She now wore that Greek Tiara all the time.  ;)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marc on February 20, 2012, 12:59:53 PM
Princess Brigitta of Yugoslavia wearing Queen Marie's golden tiara:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/418850_395844760432731_145783382105538_1765379_1738801121_n.jpg
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Post by: Svetabel on February 20, 2012, 01:05:03 PM
Princess Brigitta of Yugoslavia wearing Queen Marie's golden tiara:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/418850_395844760432731_145783382105538_1765379_1738801121_n.jpg

And tiara looks like not on its place )). Queen Marie looked more natural in it.
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Post by: Marc on February 20, 2012, 04:30:49 PM
And tiara looks like not on its place )). Queen Marie looked more natural in it.

Lol I thought the same-looks rather unlucky...but what is more important is that the tiara found it's use by a family member,apart from being locked in a museum.It is the only tiara left in the family(to use-not owning),except from maybe tiara of Princess Katharina,former Lady de Silva...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 22, 2012, 01:59:30 PM
Gold tiaras went out of fashion long time ago...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marc on February 22, 2012, 08:20:39 PM
Gold tiaras went out of fashion long time ago...

Eric,they can't follow the fashion as they don't have anything else left in their jewels tank...this is the only tiara that was at their disposal!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 23, 2012, 04:06:07 PM
Yes. But I think they can always order a new tiara (as the older ones have been sold). Princess Elisabeth of Yugoslavia once borrowed the Chaumet tiara (the one Queen Marie wore with emeralds (now replaced with green glass) and displayed at the Chaumet Museum in the Place Vendome shop in Paris) for a function.
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Post by: Brassov on February 24, 2012, 06:44:35 AM
Princess Birgitta looks very uncomfortable in that tiara,and it looks completely wrong and out of place. I dont think it works for her.
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Post by: Marc on February 24, 2012, 10:10:00 AM
Princess Birgitta looks very uncomfortable in that tiara,and it looks completely wrong and out of place. I dont think it works for her.

Agree with you.Like she picked it up from the museum without previously knowing that she would wear it and put of her head just for a photo shoot...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 24, 2012, 04:03:21 PM
Maybe she should buy her own tiara.
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Post by: Marc on February 24, 2012, 04:53:56 PM
Maybe she should buy her own tiara.

Eric,I don't think they have money for such things...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Laura_ on February 24, 2012, 05:27:07 PM
I think it is nice. Especially since it comes from Queen Maria and it belonged to her. http://www.royal-magazin.de/yugoslavia/marija-serbia-gold-cross-tiara.htm
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 27, 2012, 03:20:20 PM
They are not that expensive. Queen Margaret II of Denmark designed her own jewels and head pieces using gold and semi-precious stones.
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Post by: Marc on January 28, 2013, 06:27:56 PM
I just came across the article in Serbian newspapers about Queen Maria of Yugoslavia tiaras...

She had 5 of them in total:

Her first tiara was the golden one posted above and the only one still available to the family...It is said that it was her maiden tiara which she brought from Romania.

Her second tiara was the famous emerald tiara bought by King Alexander I from Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna jr. as an engagement gift for his future wife...

Her third tiara was the brilliant tiara gifted to her by the people of the Kingdom of Serbs,Croats and Slovenians on occasion of her wedding in 1922.This tiara was guarded as the family jewels along with the coronation Crown,scepter and the train...It is said that this tiara never left Yugoslavia and that is still in the vaults of the National Bank of Serbia...

Her fourth tiara was a Cartier gift tiara(along with a matching necklace) from King Alexander I on the occasion of birth of their first son King Peter II in 1923.When King Peter II married she gifted this tiara to his wife Queen Alexandra...Queen Alexandra later sold this tiara to an unknown buyer.

Her fifth tiara was the fringe diamond tiara that belonged to her aunt Princess Beatrice who sold it after the first civil started in Spain...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 28, 2013, 06:50:32 PM
I think the second & the fourth emerald tiara & necklace set is the same.

The Russian emerald and diamond tiara originally belong to Grand Duchess Elisabeth of Russia (Ella of Hesse). It consist of the emerald necklace and tiara set that she later give to her niece Grand Duchess Maria Paulovna the younger as a wedding present. The necklace was later restyled by Cartier before being given to Mignon, once Missy bought it from Marie Paulvona.

I think you forgot to mention the gold tiara.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marc on January 28, 2013, 09:00:06 PM
I think the second & the fourth emerald tiara & necklace set is the same.

No,they are not the same.

She got the emerald one already as an engagement present(Maria Pavlovna's tiara and necklace) in 1922(necklace just remodeled year later by Cartier) and was already wearing the whole parure the same year in October at the coronation in Romania....

She got the other new tiara and a matching necklace on totally different occasion-as a present for the birth of King Peter II in September 1923 bought by her husband for that very special occasion-birth of a first child,a son and an desired Heir ...Later,she kept the emerald tiara for herself and just borrowed it to Queen Alexandra on a few occasions,such as the pre-wedding ball of Queen Elizabeth II,while the fourth one she gifted to her and later Queen Alexandra sold it to an unknown buyer,while the emerald tiara was sold to a known buyer-Van Cleef and Arpels...

This 4th tiara could well be this tiara:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/tiara-2_zpse43bc030.jpg)

I think you forgot to mention the gold tiara.

The golden tiara is mentioned as the first one...

Eric,I would like you firstly to read what I just posted,just in order not to repeat one sentence again and again because you didn't bother to read properly ;) Thnx

Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marc on January 28, 2013, 09:17:29 PM
One more thing about the Yugoslavia's jewelry...In years passed by there was an article in Danjel's site about Princess Elizabeth's small diamond tiara...here in this picture:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jelisaveta1_zps889fec9f.jpg)

Well,in fact,the tiara is not a diamond one,but a crystal one.Here is another picture of the tiara used by Crystal making company to promote their crystal productions:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Jelisaveta2_zpsd30b0248.jpg)

Here is a link for this site in Serbian.It's called "The world of crystals"-just scroll a bit down to see the picture where Princess Elizabeth wears a tiara and promotes the company:

http://www.svetkristala.co.rs/



Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 11, 2013, 04:00:41 PM
It is funny to see Catherine Oxenburg's husband wanted to buy her a tiara since her family lost most of Olga's jewels.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marc on April 18, 2013, 09:32:22 AM
Jewels of the Serbian ruling family from the first half of 19th century made in Vienna:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewels5_zpsffe808bb.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/jewels5_zpsffe808bb.jpg.html)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewels4_zpsecb0dd35.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/jewels4_zpsecb0dd35.jpg.html)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewels3_zpsaa00d03d.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/jewels3_zpsaa00d03d.jpg.html)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewels2_zpsd77a0f01.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/jewels2_zpsd77a0f01.jpg.html)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewels1_zps453fb6e2.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/jewels1_zps453fb6e2.jpg.html)

Jewelry box of Queen Natalia:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewels6_zpsadc421c2.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/jewels6_zpsadc421c2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 19, 2013, 12:41:21 AM
All those jewels belonged to Mignon ?
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Post by: Marc on April 19, 2013, 05:43:11 AM
All those jewels belonged to Mignon ?

Eric,as I posted above,those were only part of the jewels belonging to Serbian ruling family from the first part of 19th century and were made in Vienna...and Mignon was born in 1900 ;)

The only thing which dates from the second part of 19th century is Queen Natalia's jewelry box...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marc on April 19, 2013, 10:30:30 AM
It is funny to see Catherine Oxenburg's husband wanted to buy her a tiara since her family lost most of Olga's jewels.

Well,he actually bought her a diamond tiara ;)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 19, 2013, 12:02:50 PM
My question is that did she get to wear them.
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Post by: Marc on April 19, 2013, 12:53:07 PM
My question is that did she get to wear them.

No,because at that time Obrenovic family ruled in Serbia...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 19, 2013, 06:54:10 PM
I think she and her husband ruled after them.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marc on April 20, 2013, 09:26:03 AM
I think she and her husband ruled after them.

Yes,but the two dynasties were often changing and mixing on the throne for almost 150 years...This was the order they ruled-dynasty wise:

Karadjordjevic-Obrenovic-Karadjordjevic-Obrenovic-Karadjordjevic...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 21, 2013, 01:22:44 AM
I thought the other dynasty died out...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marc on April 22, 2013, 07:08:00 PM
I thought the other dynasty died out...

I just posted how they changed on the throne...and dying out was the cause why Karadjordjevic family came for the last time to rule the country(in 1903)...as they ruled in periods before that...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 23, 2013, 12:56:49 AM
So did they took the jewels as well ?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Marc on April 25, 2013, 11:57:17 PM
So did they took the jewels as well ?

They mostly took all the jewels they had with them...the jewels that are left are just a very small portion of what they once had...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Balkan Royal Families--Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 26, 2013, 03:46:39 PM
I think that is what that is left I suppose...