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Title: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on December 03, 2005, 04:01:45 AM
HI&RH Archduchess Regina of Austria(80),néé Princess of Sachsen-Meiningen,
spouse of Archduke Otto,was atmitted to hospital in Nancy,France,yesterday
afternoon after suffering from a stroke during a function they attended.

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/02122005/5/l-epouse-d-otto-de-habsbourg-lorraine-hospitalisee-nancy.html
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on December 04, 2005, 02:30:02 AM
Very sad indeed,a CVA is a nasty affair at any age,but especially for the elderly,as recovering is so very difficult,and it takes a while before one can tell which functions,and to what degree,come back .The reports on her present condition somehow differ from dire to being on the mend again.At any rate however it is a severe blow,hope and pray she"ll recover at least to some extend and is granted to remain among us a while longer,but it will be a struggle I'm sure.

Courtesy Brent:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1133663298.html
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on November 20, 2006, 04:45:20 PM
HI&RH Archduke Otto of Austria,son of Austria's last Emperor Karl and Empress Zita,celebrates his 94th birthday today.

Courtesy Brigitte Gastel Lloyd's wonderfull site:

http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/ottoaustria1912album.htm

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1164036814.html

Courtesy Octavius (GREMB)

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077206538&str...

Archduke Otto as a child,with Emperor Franz Josef I
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072487086&str...

Archduke Otto as Crownprince of Hungary at the Coronation of his parents as King and Queen of Hungary,Budapest 1916.
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077206523&str...

Empress Zita and her son.1917
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077206532&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077206513&str...

Wedding of Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina of Habsburg,néé Princess of Sachsen-Meiningen,Nancy,France may 10th 1951
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1070708598&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077206508&str...

Archduke Otto and Archduke Regina
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1070807680&str...

Archduke Otto and his mother,HM Empress Zita of Austria,Queen of Hungary later in life
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1070807706&str...

With eldest son Karl
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077143651&str...

With his family at his 85th birthday
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1077204766&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1074823341&str...

2001,Golden Wedding anniversary
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1074826845&str...

At their home,Villa Pöcking,Starnberger See,Bavaria
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1074823407&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1074823376&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072487092&str...

Archduke Otto's 90th birthdaycelbration,
Hofburg,Vienna
http;//www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072136007&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072132371&str...

Holy Mass at St.Stephans Dom,Vienna  (the priest is HIRH Archduke Paul of Habsburg,a nephew)
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-chi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072132320&str...

Dinner at Schönbrun Palace:
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072128959&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072128978&str...

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1072123305&str...







Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on November 21, 2006, 03:08:29 AM
Thanks for linking to those nice pictures of Seegerpress. I really admire Otto and his wife (especially Otto) because he is still so lively at his old age, and travels that much, trough all countries. He must have a very interesting life, even in his old days and he survived all difficulties concerning the two Wars and the End of the reign of his family and everything, and is involved in politics and does so many things.  It would be interesting to discuss his views etc. There is a very good biography at my university, and if I have more time, I will read it. As I have heard, the biography was written, because Otto himself does not want to write any memoires.  He always interested me, even if some of his political views are discussed, he has written a lot of books  as well.

I have here an interview with him of the year 2004. It´s from the German magazine Stern, under the headline "people":

I´ll translate the most important points here, I think it shows already a lot on his attitudes.



The oldest son of the late emperor of Austria and king of Hungary was twenty year at the European Parliament

-  Excuse this typical question at the beginning..What is correct: Imperial Higness or Dr. Otto von Habsburg?

= Von Habsburg and that´s it.
 
- Some weeks ago the Pope (still Johannes Paul II.) has canonised your father in the presence of thousand members of the Habsburg family

=They were not thousand. Maybe the Carabinieri were collected with them...they were fourhundred

- But  your family has a strong connection to the catholic church.

= O yes,  The connection to God was important to me also in the european constitution. Well, we need a higher instance for our principles. And who can this be
     apart from Lord?


- As head of a family, who had the power over Europe for more than sixhundred years, how could you bear the bureaucracy at Brussels?

= I fought against it. Theodore Roosevelt once asked emperor Franz Joseph, what a monarchy has to do in a modern world and he replied: "It has to save the
   people  from the government!" In this sense I was needed.


- What does your usual day look like?

= Very much to do. You have to consider, if one was busied through so many years and visted more than onehundred meetings in the year, you have got great
   correspondences. And I thank God that it is like that!


- Do you still travel that much?

= O yes, in the middle of September I was in Kosovo, then I was at Zurich, Rome, Vienna, Tirol, Madeira, Croatia, London and then again at Vienna. Tomorrow
   we travel to Westfalia and Lower Saxony, later to Budapest, Paris, Strassburg, Spain, and in between three times in Hungary. And then it´s Christmas!


- Your official title has one Emperor- nine king- twenty- Arch- Great- and simple Duke- nine count- and many more titles. Don´t you get nostalgic feelings?

= No, I was always looking forward.

- And when you see the Sisi trash around the Wiener Hofburg?

= Well, the people like it and many think, that´s nice, I will not critisize it!

- Does the aristocracy still carry culture today?

= In some cases. The monarchy can provide Continuity. But there are examples, where this is not the case. You only have to look in certain journals.

- Even if you are -from the origin- the number one of the European Aristocracy you are never to find in gossip papers.

= I was always busy with other things: And you won´t believe it: I have never been on a dancing ball. Never. I prefer o sleep in the night. And if you don´t visit night clubs
  you don´t meet gossip reporters.


- Does it have advantages not to be a monarch?

= O yes, you don´t have to call every politician, who is a donkey "excellence", and I have a life, which does not bore me. I can imagine myself, that other royals often   
  have much boredom. The british royals work from early until late. But for me it would not be very funny to do this kind of work.


- Do you have a close connection to yours majesty secret service?

= I love James Bond- movies: They are all phantastic!  I have got to know the authour, Fleming, in England during the War. From this time on, this is my passion.-

- Do you still follow your ritual act on the 31 st of May?

= But yes! Surely! I smoke only on the World´s non Smoking day. Only last year I had forgotten it and did it on the 1st of July!

I think this shows quite a lot about him, even if these are only "general" questions. He has some interesting sense of humour and is a very realistic person, without expressing "I am something more or better than others", he is a really serious, but  interesting figure, not like many others royals from today, who only make scandals! 
What do others think?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on November 24, 2006, 11:42:55 AM
Thank you for the translation Britt.Otto is modest,kind and genuine,to a fauld almost.He has witnessed more then anyone else,historically,politically and personally,from the days of Emperor Franz Josef till now.Mindboggling,from horse and carriage to the Airbus 380.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Maximilano on November 27, 2006, 12:20:26 PM
Dear Britt.25 you say "There is a very good biography at my university, and if I have more time, I will read it. As I have heard, the biography was written, because Otto himself does not want to write any memoirs."
Actually there are various biographies written about Otto von Habsburg. Although he himself did not write a biography of himself he did write one excellent one about Charles I (V). Original in French "Charles Quint" translated into various languages.
His books are a legacy of his pan European views which are in reality the continuation of the philosophy Sacro Imperio Romano and the Austro Hungarian Empire. He fought all his life for the Pan European integration and is one of the visionaries of the United Europe.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on November 27, 2006, 01:06:08 PM
Dear CFH_Mexico,

Thanks for your explanations. Can you recommend one special biography about Otto von Habsburg?
In the university library, I saw only one, and that seemed to be very a detailled one and was a really huge book, and looked interesting to me. Unfortunately I have forgotten the authour. If you have any special, which you consider good, it would be interesting to know.
I know that Otto has written a lot of  books, I have only two, the one about Karl V, that you mentioned, and one small one about the first Habsburg king, Rudolf I., who also interests me.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Maximilano on December 07, 2006, 11:58:26 AM
Dear Britt.25

There are various books about the Archduke Otto von Habsburg, I have read and recommend the following ones:

The Uncrowned Emperor: The Life and Times of Otto von Habsburg by Gordon Brook-Shepherd
Otto von Habsburg. by Gordon Brook-Shepherd
Otto von Habsburg: Protokoll eines politischen Lebens by Erich Feigl

Gordon Brook - Shepherd is a dedicated historian, objective, well read and has had access to the private library of the Archduke. He has been a long time investigator and a real expert in the history of the early XX Century. Has been close to the Archduke and various members of the imperial family. He surely knows his topic.

Erich Feigel is a real monarchist, pro Habsburg, sometimes too pro Habsburg but close to the Archduke and often visited Kaiserin Zita in Zizers, in switzerland where the old Empress lieved her last years. In his different books he narrates historic facts that where told to him by the Kaiserin and for which there is as backup only the very good memory of the Empress.

This books can be bought through Amazon.com  and major bookstores.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 12, 2007, 02:15:01 AM
Francesca and Karl married at Mariazell on January 31st 1993. They have three children: Eleonore (born 1994). Ferdinand (born 1997) and Gloria (born 1999), whose godmother was Gloria of Thurn und Taxis. When Gloria was a baby she suffered from meningitis, but she got completely healthy again.

They couple is still married, but they don't live together anymore. Francesca moved to Vienna where she lives with her son Ferdinand. Karl decided to stay in Anif (Salzburg) where he cares about his daughters.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 12, 2007, 04:24:23 AM
Here are some pictures of the family. I have also heard that they don´t live together anymore. Does anybody know about reasons?

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/ferdinan.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/Gloria2000a.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/KarlHabsfam2000.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/pre-SEEGER00125786.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/pre-SEEGER00035911.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/pre-SEEGER00035910.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/pre-SEEGER00050214.jpg)

(http://[http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/pre-SEEGER00125829.jpg/img]

Their eldest daughter:

[img]http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/pre-SEEGER00005203.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/pre-SEEGER00006471.jpg)

Does anybody know, which problems the couple had? I have got some recent infos by a family member that Dr. Otto von Habsburg has recently named Karl officially to his heir and passed his tasks to him. Because of some particular things and problems in Karl´s life there seem to be members of the family, who are not satisfied with this decision. I´ll tell more, after having clarified how to provide these infos here ;)





Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Marc on March 12, 2007, 03:33:55 PM
''She was nothing but a very wealthy heiress and a wild party girl...''
Yes,then Baroness vonThyssen(now Archduchess) was or rather is very wealhy,but her German,Hungarian and Scotish ancestry is also very interesting!
From her father's side she has descended from many Hungarian noble families(and also some German ones),but from her mother's side she has descended from allmost every ruling familiy of Europe(from Kings of France,Denmark,Scotland,Electors of Brandenburg and Saxony etc),but the most interesting is that she has also descended from the Habsburg family(from Emperor Rudolf I) and also from the House of Lorraine(in which she entered through her marriage since the House of Austria was named Habsburg-Lothringen)...
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 13, 2007, 03:50:49 AM
That´s interesting with her ancestry, I will have a look on the genealogy sites, if I find something. Have you any good sources for her ancestry? Concerning early ansistors of today´s famous people I made good (or almost the best) experiences with the site "genea Portugal": It was always more than interesting to me, to find out how many of our todays nobles (even people like Princess Diana) descend from the "early" Hapsburgs through different lines, the most are for example descendants from "Ludwig der Bayer", whose mother Mathilde was a daughter of king Rudolf I. of Hapsburg. I suppose there similar lines that lead to Francesca....
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Marc on March 13, 2007, 09:02:46 AM
You can find a lot at Genealogy index site...It is also interesting for me to ''find'' royal ancestry of some people that nobody knows they have royal blood.(Like it was interesting to find that Diana descends not just from the Stuart dynasty but also from the Elector Ernst August von Hannover,who reigned from 1692-1698 and his mistress Clara Elisabeth von Meysenburg,through their daughter Countess Sophie Charlotte von Platen-Hallermund)!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 20, 2007, 03:27:12 AM
Letter of Dr. Otto von Habsburg to his family concerning the naming of his eldest son Karl to his official heir and successor:                                                                     
                                                                                       
                                                                                                                            
                                                                                  Pöcking, December, 2006

   
                          Dear Family,


Some weeks ago I celebrated my 94 th birthday. During a long life I have made a lot of experiences, good onces and also bad onces, and I am thankful to God for every single one of them. I had the chance to learn from them and so I can look back on a fulfilled life. Especially because Regina and me are blessed with seven children and twentytwo grandchildren.

Already some time ago I have decided to give a part of my tasks in younger hands. So I decided to leave the European Parliament in the year 1999, in the year 2000 I passed my function as souvereign of the decoration of the golden Vlies to my son Karl, and last year I abandoned my presidency at the Paneuropa Union.

I have decided from 1st January, 2007 on to autorise my eldest son Karl with the task of the chief of the house and clan as well.

During the last years he had already leaded a part of my agendas. With him I know the future of our family, of whome we never have to forget that it is a family with a political task, with the continuity that I wish, in good hands. Last but not least his successful activity concerning the golden Vlies has affected me to this step.  Surely I will support him, as far as God gives me the strengh.  I wish and I demand that all of you accord him the same support as well!

Without giving up the aims, which I was concerned with over a long time, one can, when having reached the 95 th year of age, look at actual incidents from a greater distance und does not have to be concerned with every detail anymore.

I wish you with all my heart a blessed year 2007.


                                                    Otto.





(This is a translated version of the letter, the original is in German and went to all members of the Habsburg family- and only to them.)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Greenowl on March 20, 2007, 05:35:29 PM
Thanks for sharing that! Archduke Otto is such a wonderful person that I do hope he enjoys a long (despite his already advanced age), happy and healthy retirement. He deserves it, as he has had so many years of devoted service, with so many ups and downs and under very different conditions, but he seemed to master them all. I admire him very much. I don't envy Archduke Karl having to follow such an illustrious father, but wish him well.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 21, 2007, 03:07:38 AM
The problem seems to be that there are querries in Karls life (private life I think), and as far as I have understood it, there seem to be other family members, who are not allright with Otto´s decision. Until now I don´t know further details, I will -maybe- get some more next month. I don´t know what others think about it? Is Karl the right person to success his father in the way, which would be good? I also admire Otto, he´s such an interesting, and politically active figure, fighting for his ideas and so on, and the interview, which I once posted, shows that he still travels that much! It´s almost impossible in that age!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Greenowl on March 21, 2007, 04:26:28 PM
Hello Britt!

Gosh, that is really very interesting information! Needless to say, I would love to know more, especially which members of the family are unhappy with Archduke Otto's decision and consider that Archduke Karl is not the right man for the job, so to speak. I wonder how Otto feels about it? I imagine he must be rather disappointed, as in the letter above he clearly believes that Karl is now ready to be head of the imperial house and the Habsburg family. As we both agree, Archduke Otto is an outstanding person and it would be extremely difficult for anyone to measure up to the high and exacting standards he set. However, Archduke Karl has not exactly covered himself with glory and the only attention he has drawn to himself has tended to be negative. I am not aware of any recent scandals (have I missed something??), but recall the World Vision affair that put a premature end to his political career, and the "diadem scandal" when he tried to "smuggle" a diadem belonging to his wife's family across the border and failed to declare it to the custom and excise authorities. In both cases he was found not guilty of anything but negligence, but it does leave a rather bad impression of someone who is, at best, "unlucky". Thus for that reason I can well understand the attitude of some family members. However, on the other hand I am surprised that they would dare to challenge the laws of succession. I mean, he is Otto's successor and first in line. Even Emperor Franz I. did not alter the succesion laws in favour of Archduke Franz Karl, although the heir, later Emperor Ferdinand I, had many, many health problems (to put it mildly). Unless Archduke Karl himself is willing to step down in favour of his brother Archduke Georg (who I assume would be the next in line) I don't see how the family can change or challenge the situation, and if they oppose Karl I feel that they will only damage themselves and the reputation of the whole family in the long term, which would, to my mind, be extremely tragic and disloyal, in view of the energy, devotion to duty and effort invested not only by Archduke Otto himself, but also by his mother, Empress Zita.

What are your thoughts on the matter?? And thanks again for that info...I really had no idea!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 23, 2007, 04:15:17 AM
Hello Greenowl,

I saw your comment very late...sorry! You have so many interesting ideas and thoughts on that topic..congratulation! In general it seems to me that this topic is not of much interest for the other members :'( Or am I wrong?
In general I must confess that I did not read so much about any "scandals" of Archduke Karl, because I am rather concerned with the historical figures of the Hapsburgs, but yes, the situation is difficult. Who should be the head of the family, if not Archduke Karl? To name another member, like the second son Georg, there must be heavy reasons, more heavy than the things that happened in the last years with Archduke Karl, I think. Otto von Habsburg does not say anything directly concerning that in the letter, but the person, who gave me the letter told it "between the lines" that there might be people, who are surprised about Otto´s decision and who might not share that. There is only the sentence of Otto "Ich hoffe und erwarte, dass auch ihr ihm die gleiche Unterstützung zukommen lasst!" (I wish and I demand that all of you accord him the same support as well!) that lets you see that there might be some problems concerning that. The family member did not say anything directly concerning this, and I hope I will find out some more, at the moment he is travelling.
Indeed there are examples, where fathers did not elect the eldest son to the successor, for example among the Bonaparte family, where Louis Napoleon (d. 1997), because of differences (especially because of political views: see the Bonaparte topic) with this son, passed his son and named his grandson to his official successor (Jean Christophe, b. 1986). But here we have a completely different situation: Maybe Karl did some things wrong, but as it seems concerning things that are important for his father Otto, especially the work for the "golden Vlies", he is satisfied with him. Do you think , he should have named any other?
For me it´s hard to decide, because my knowledge of the modern Habsburgs is limited, I was rather concerned with the "old" ones!   
 
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Greenowl on March 24, 2007, 05:50:19 PM
Hello Britt!

It would be really great if you could obtain some further information from the family member you know when he returns from his travels. I have naturally being thinking about the matter, and another point that struck me is that some of the family would not be over impressed by the fact that Archduke Karl is at present separated from his wife, although in reality I don't see why this should bother them unduly, especially as it is nothing new....think of Franz Jospeh and Elisabeth (they were, after all, separated most of the time). I suppose another alternative would be to name Archduke Karl's son as head of the family, and appoint another family member to act on his behalf until he came of age. However, I am sure if Archduke Otto had any doubts about Archduke Karl's suitablity he would not have written that letter and instead remained at his post until the end of his days. I don't know that I would read too much into the lines "Ich hoffe und erwarte, dass auch ihr ihm die gleiche Unterstützung zukommen lasst!" (I hope and expect that you will also accord him the same support!) as it is the sort of formal thing that one usually writes when stepping down and handing one's position over to a successor. On the other hand, one could argue that the atmosphere must be "strained" for Otto to feel the need to express his intentions formally.

Anyway, please do keep me posted on any developments, as I am especially curious to know from what quarter the discontent has emerged!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 25, 2007, 02:50:21 AM
Hello Greenowl,

Thanks for your interesting thoughts. I´ll post it as soon as I have further details. You´re right concerning the sentence "Ich hoffe und erwarte von Euch (...)" that it could be wrong to interprete to much into it. But the person, who gave me the letter told "between the lines" that there might be people, who are kind of surprised about that nomination of Karl to Otto´s successor...I also think, if even if there were and are private problems in Karl´s life, it must not me a reason not to name him, because there are also other things important. Even if he is for example separated from his wife and made some things wrong , he can be a man with deep, serious feelings for his family and the tradition for example. And I am sure, Otto is sure about that, when he names him. "Zwei paar Schuh" as you would say in german. What you do think? I wished I knew more, but I never read very much on Archduke Karl.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on March 25, 2007, 04:08:07 AM
Like you say Britt,Karl seems to keep a low profile,there is not all that much known about him,let alone his work.He is the eldest son and therefore the natural dynastic Heir of his father and even if some in the IF might disagree with the person of the Archduke Karl,his abilities etc.,they will have to accept the decision by Otto as he is the Head of the House Habsburg.As happened throughout history in many if not most Royal Houses.

All we do know is that he and his wife live separate lives,Franciska and the children in Vienna and Karl in Salzburg.This is a no no to many,as the Austrian IF is,as we know devout Catholic,at least Otto and Regina are,but Karl isn't all that much into it or so it appears.In the old days the Austrian Emperors title was His Apostolic Majesty,it's not exactly an "Apostolic" life Karl leads,and in a very conservative family like this,it doesn't sit well.As in most cases,this is another "most families have them" pointing at the differences and the black sheeps.As you say Britt,he might be a man with deep serious feelings,but there is little known in which fields he deplores these deep feelings.To me,he never really struck me as a "high profile",but a nice guy,yes.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on March 25, 2007, 04:43:16 AM
Karl and Franceska's son's Ferdinand Zvonimir's website:

http://www.twschwarzer.de/ferdinan.htm

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 25, 2007, 07:06:15 AM
Thanks for your comment, Lucien. I was not sure, how much is really known about Archduke Karl, because as I said, I do hardly read those newspapers, where there are royal stories presented- I am rather concerned with the historical figures of this family. But from your words I can see that there does not seem to be much known about Karl´s inner feelings for his family and his family traditions. Family scandals can be something completely different, that doesn´t show his real attitude towards his heritage. It would be interesting to know some closer details of Karl´s view concerning his new task- even when I think that it is not something completely new to him: There is no "strict" passing all the tasks to Karl from Otto von Habsburg´s side, when you read the letter and know the personality of Otto. He would never be person giving all tasks to anyone else, even if it is his son,  and then sitting in a chair for the rest of his life! His nature is too unresting and his view on his own political and traditional task in life as well, I think. As he said he will be Karl´s side and help him as long as it is possible for him. However it would be interesting to know, if Otto just names him because he is his natural successor and has a "must" to do so, or if he is really totally convinced of Karls ability in his family tasks. That´s not so easy to decide , I think. Concerning the expression "apostolic" and Karl´s life... Yes, maybe it does not really fit to this, but times are changing, even when he is the official heir of such a title... I think it´s always difficult, when you are a heir of a great family, to go with the time on the one hand, and on the other hand not to forget the family heritage. I really wished to know more about him, maybe I can find some more when searching.
You wrote that his wife Francesca lives with the children in Vienna, and Karl in Salzburg. Somewhere I had read that the daughters live with the father and the son with the mother (which sounded a bit untypical for me, but...). Or was it a confusion? From your post I read that he lives without the children, and that they all live with the mother. How often does he see them, and do they still have a friendship contact the parents? I am not really sure...Does he have any new girlfriend or something?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: GD_vassily on April 22, 2007, 08:32:33 AM
who is the current head of the house of habsburg? and any information about what he/she is doing now?
thanks
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Rudolf_II on April 22, 2007, 01:28:12 PM
Otto von Habsburg, eldest son of Emperor Karl and Empress Zita.  He was a Member of the European Parliament until 1999, but being aged 94 his activities are not as numerous as they were.  He sounds sharp enough though, if his appearance on BBC Radio's recent Habsburg documentary is to be believed.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on April 23, 2007, 02:19:43 AM
We already have a thread on Archduke Otto and his wife Regina. Maybe we could put it together with this topic. I have also posted a letter of Otto von Habsburg on the thread about him, where he recently named his eldest son Karl to his successor. This letter was distributed among the family members in December 2006. Please take a look on the thread about the Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina. 
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 23, 2007, 05:01:57 AM
Dear Britt,

as this letter was only sent to family members, where did you get it from?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on April 23, 2007, 12:18:01 PM
For anonymity reasons of the person rather some more details in private, is this ok? But maybe you have already an idea, where is comes from (remember...?) ::)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 23, 2007, 04:36:43 PM
For anonymity reasons of the person rather some more details in private, is this ok? But maybe you have already an idea, where is comes from (remember...?) ::)

Yes indeed.  ;)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on April 26, 2007, 02:27:38 PM
Dear other moderators,

Thanks for putting the two threads on Otto together!!! :)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on July 06, 2007, 05:50:47 AM
INteresting  that he is still so active and writes books in his old age, it's really amazing how he is still working! ;) Good link... thanks!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 06, 2007, 09:28:16 AM
Hi,

If the Hapsburg monarchy had not collapsed in 1918, and Emperor Karl had still died in 1922, then Otto would now have ruled 85 years.  This would be one of the longest reigns in history.
Interesting!!

Of course, probably Karl would not have died in 1922 had he still been in the Hofburg with better medical facilities.  Knowing the longevity of the Hapsburgs (Franz Joseph and Ferdinand I and Empress Zita) Karl may have reigned another 30 to 40 years.
Even so, if Otto came to the throne in 1962, he still would have had a long monarchy - 45 years and counting!!

Larry
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: dmitri on July 06, 2007, 10:37:14 AM
Yes I find it pleasing that Otto is still alive. How different his life would have been under different circumstances. Even if his father Karl had lost Austria but kept Hungary things would have been different. I think Horthy was the one who prevented a Habsburg restoration in Hungary. As for Otto I think he would have been a wise Emperor and King. Certainly I doubt that the Nazi Germans would have been able to march into Austria with such ease of a Empire had still existed. Franz Josef sure made a mistake where he signed the declaration of war on Serbia at his villa in Bad Ischl.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Prince_Christopher on July 06, 2007, 08:24:42 PM
Does anyone know about Archduchess Regina's religion?

Is she Roman Catholic, and if so, did she convert upon her marriage to Otto?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on July 09, 2007, 05:08:49 AM
Yes I find it pleasing that Otto is still alive. How different his life would have been under different circumstances. Even if his father Karl had lost Austria but kept Hungary things would have been different. I think Horthy was the one who prevented a Habsburg restoration in Hungary. As for Otto I think he would have been a wise Emperor and King. Certainly I doubt that the Nazi Germans would have been able to march into Austria with such ease of a Empire had still existed. Franz Josef sure made a mistake where he signed the declaration of war on Serbia at his villa in Bad Ischl.

The question what would have happen, if the empire of Karl I had gone on after 1918 is a very interesting question, which was once discussed in an article by a former historyteacher of mine, where he described the peace ambitions of Karl I. with Germany, in April, 1917. Maybe the thesis of my former history teacher, who wrote about the meeting with Karl I and Hindenburg and Ludendorff at my hometown Bad Homburg in 1917, went a bit to far, but he concluded that the Weimarer constitution and maybe also the dictatorship of the Nazis could have been prevented, if Karl had had success in keeping his empire as a federation of undependent states. For me it's rather difficult to believe that Karl's empire would still have existed a lot of time, even when a peace was made in 1917, because the empire was already very very broken at that time, and in most of the countries, who once were parts of the Habsburg- Hungarian empire, strong national feelings and ambitions were arising, which forced them wanting to separate from the Habsburg empire.
What do others think? Is anybody interested in the article? Unfortunately it is in German. My former history teacher also wrote to Otto von Habsburg, and he answered him questions about his father.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Maximilano on July 24, 2007, 11:52:24 AM
Although they are not divorced, I heard in Salzburg recently that they live separate and apart. The son goes to the American school in Vienna. (Why should the heir to the Austo-Hungarian throne go to an Anerican school is a mystery) It is sad to see what becomes from a once politically and morally powerful family with a marriage that was doomed before it started. (Not a single direct uncle, aunt or cousin first degree went to their wedding)

It is true; Karl is today the "head" of the once powerful and respected House of Austria, whatever that means!

Britt, Nice pictures indead.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on July 24, 2007, 03:09:02 PM
It's sad to hear that the family life and the marriage of Archduke Karl did not turn out successfully, but it must be taken, how it is. Karl must manage his task and he will do it. I hope he makes the best out of it (for his standards)
Yes, maybe it is not so usual for a member of the Habsburg family to visit an American school, but maybe Karl tries to educate his son in a modern way, because times are changing and even families like the Habsburgs do certainly not live today (and cannot live today) like they lived hundreds of years ago. I think it's a difficult task for such a family to find a way between tradition and heritage on the one hand, and the modern developments of society, like globalism and so, on on the the other hand. Maybe one must consider it, when critisizing that life style. However I don't have inner knowledge of that family, and don't know what other members say about it. That many of the cousins did not come to the marriage of Karl is indeed a pity and shows that his marriage was not seen very positively.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Seth Leonard on July 24, 2007, 08:25:45 PM
Some more of Archduchess Francesca & family:
(http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7734/mariage31janvier19931yf4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
The religous wedding at Mariazell of Archduke Karl of Austria & Baroness Francesca von Thyssen-Bornemisza, 31 Jan 1993
(http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1592/baptemeeleonore24041994hw2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
The Archduchess Francesca holding Archduchess Eleonore on the day of the latter's baptism, 24 Apr 1994
(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7313/180419971gi3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
The Archduke Karl and Archduchess Francesca of Austria, 18 Apr 1997
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on July 25, 2007, 03:23:55 AM
Thank you for the nice picture.  :D

In general they do look nicely together. It's a pity that they live seperated and that there are problems in the family. The children - from their looks- are a good mixture of both parents.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Maximilano on August 02, 2007, 02:01:29 AM
Where are the harts of the loyal followers of the Austro Hungarian Monarchists? With him or with her?

Probably somwhere else
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on August 02, 2007, 02:49:42 AM
Where are the harts of the loyal followers of the Austro Hungarian Monarchists? With him or with her?

Probably somwhere else

Definitely NOT with HER ...  ;)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Greenowl on August 02, 2007, 08:13:30 AM
Well said, Marie Charlotte. I second that wholeheartedly!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on August 02, 2007, 09:07:47 AM
Francesca's father had an interesting life:

(info from wikipedia)

Baron Hans Heinrich von Thyssen-Bornemisza de Kászon (1921 – 2002), a noted industrialist and art collector, was a Dutch-born Swiss citizen with a Hungarian title, a legal resident of Monaco for tax purposes, with a declared second residency in the United Kingdom, but in actuality a long-time resident of Spain.

He was born in Scheveningen, Netherlands, the son of Heinrich Baron Thyssen-Bornemisza de Kászon and his first wife, Baroness Margit Bornemisza de Kászon. The Thyssen family's fortune was built upon a steel and armaments empire: Heinrich Thyssen had abandoned Germany as a young man and settled in Hungary in 1905.

In Budapest, Heinrich married the daughter of the king's chamberlain, who, having no sons of his own, adopted Heinrich and passed on his barony to him. The passing along of the title has raised numerous questions over whether Heinrich Thyssen could actually call himself baron at all.

His wives:

1. 1946, Austrian aristocrat Princess Teresa Amalia Franziska Elisabeth Maria of the Lippe-Weissenfeld. Their only child was Georg Heinrich (born 1950). They divorced 14 May 1954, and she married in 1960, as her second husband, Friedrich Maximilian, Prince of Fürstenberg.

2. 1954, Anglo-Indian fashion model Nina Dyer; they had no children and were divorced in 1956. She later married and divorced His Highness Prince Sadruddhin Aga Khan and committed suicide in 1965.

3. 1956, New Zealand-born British fashion model Fiona Frances Elaine Campbell-Walter (born 1932). She was a daughter of Rear-Admiral Keith McNeil Walter (later Campbell-Walter) and his wife, Frances Henriette Campbell. They had Francesca and a son, Lorne. (Princess Louise of Great Britain's husband was the Marquis of Lorne, later Duke of Argyll, with the surname Lorne--was there a family connection there?) They divorced on 20 January 1965.

4. 1967, Denise Shorto, a Brazilian banker's daughter. They had one son, Alexander, and divorced in November 29, 1984, after an acrimonious four-year battle.

5. 1985, María del Carmen Rosario Cervera Fernández de la Guerra, popularly known as Carmen "Tita" Cervera, who was Miss Spain of 1961. He adopted her son, Borja (born 1980, father unknown). In 1965, she had married Lex Barker, an American actor and socialite best known for his portrayal of Tarzan. He had previously been married to Lana Turner and Arlene Dahl. Tita had won an out-of-court settlement in the mid-1970s which effectively left Barker’s youngest son, Christopher, disinherited.

Tita didn't stop there--As part of an attempt to dissolve a trust and thereby gain control of her third husband’s assets, she cast doubt on the paternity of Georg Heinrich von Thyssen-Bornemisza, the Baron's eldest son, alleging that his father was actually Count Iván Batthyány de Német-Ujvár, the husband of Thyssen's sister, Margit: however, a settlement was reached between the parties before the baron's death in Sant Feliu de Guixols, Catalonia, Spain, which brought to a "peaceable" conclusion the wrangling over control of the vast Thyssen art collection, which will remain in Spain.

Francesca's mother had her loves as well--after the divorce she she went on to have a well-publicized relationship with Greek shipping heir Alexander Onassis, the only son of Aristotle Onassis.  Aristotle strongly disapproved of both Fiona and the relationship. It is believed now that Alexander had intentions of marrying her despite his father's energetic attempts to break them up. She was forty years old and Alexander was 24 during their relationship. Alexander died in a plane crash in 1973 at age 25.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on August 02, 2007, 09:10:54 AM
The famed columnist Taki wrote this about Baron Henri:

Like many very, very rich men, Heini Thyssen was very much a bore. I first met him when I was still a teenager, on the Riviera, where else? He was a good-looking man, but lugubrious and almost Dracula-- like at times. And, like Dracula, he had good taste in women. Certainly in the beginning. His first wife, the present Princess Teresa von Furstenberg, is a grand lady of impeccable credentials and impeccable behaviour. I have never met her, but I hear from my father-in-law that they don't come any grander. (Except for himself, that is.) Due to a family feud over the root of all envy, Teresa's name was recently dragged through the mud, but it simply wasn't on. It was like saying Margaret Thatcher went to war against the Argies because her husband owned Falkland Islands stocks. Which is what an Argentine professor of economics told me at the time of the war in Buenos Aires. Heini junior was certainly Heini's and Teresa's son, and he has lived an extremely quiet and useful life.

Then came Nina Dyer, an Anglo-Indian of exotic looks but Sapphic tastes. There were no children and Nina committed suicide later on. I put the moves on Nina, but got as far as Mussolini did against Greece. His third wife, Fiona, was the great beauty, and still is, 50 years after he married her. (There were two children.) Denise, his fourth wife, whom I knew when we were both very young - she tried her damnest to break up my first marriage, and succeeded - turned out to be the most controversial. After some years of married bliss, Denise became awfully chummy with one Franco Rapetti, an extremely good-looking blond Italian adventurer from Genoa. Heini played possum while the two love birds frolicked. Then Denise gave birth to a son, Franco threw himself out of a window in the Bagel, and Heini paid to fly his body back to Italy on a private jet. `Did he jump or was he pushed?' wrote yours truly 25 years ago. The last thing Rapetti told me - loudly and in public at Isabel Goldsmith's wedding - was, `Go ahead, kill me if you like, I'm not paying.' He owed me and others lotsa moolah from a poker game that had got out of hand, and I had bailed him out at the time. Once he got connected with Denise I asked for it back. This was his answer.

Never mind. All I know is I didn't push him, nor did Heini, in fact, although he got the credit for it. Franco was living on coke and had a paranoiac coke fit. He was convinced people were trying to kill him, and maybe they were. So he jumped, and people began to fear Heini Thyssen. Despite his newly acquired reputation as a tough guy, Heini remained a terrific bore. When I had Bruern Abbey, in Oxfordshire, he was nearby, at Daylesford, the old Rothermere house, now owned by Sir Anthony Bamford. He used to drop round, a lonely man, sit in my drawing-room, observe the high jinks, drink non-stop and say very little. This is why he always had trouble with women. A wife will accept anything, lovers, drinking, drugs, but never boredom. Bore your wife and soon there will be someone else in her bed, no ifs or buts about it, and Heini bored for Holland, where he was born, Switzerland, where he lived, Hungary, where he picked up a title, and Spain, where he ended his life.

And speaking of Hungary, Thyssen was known throughout his life as Baron Thyssen, somewhat a misnomer. Heini's grandfather, August Thyssen, was of peasant stock who built a chicken-wire business into a steel and armaments empire. Heini's father, Heinrich, settled in Hungary and married the daughter of the king's chamberlain, who passed on a baronial title to his son-in-law. Whether courtiers can pass on titles to their sons-in-law is at best questionable. It's as if I called myself Prince Taki, because my father-in-law is a Serene Highness, and, in Heini's case, the guy was just a Hungarian baron, a dime a dozen in the land of goulash.

Again, never mind. As long as I can remember, the wrong people sucked up to Heini, mostly art dealers and hustlers. His great achievement was his art collection, a fabled one that rivals the Queen's. But he blew it at the end by choosing to sue Heini junior on the advice of his fifth wife, Tita, a one-time Miss Spain. Heini teased everyone, from Prince Charles to King Juan-- Carlos to the President of Switzerland (whoever he or she is) as to which country would get to house his collection. Spain won out in the end, but at a price: Tita, the widow. All I can say is I'd hate to have been born a Thyssen and see it all go to Tita at the end. Even some of it.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on November 19, 2007, 12:39:21 PM
HI&RH Archduke Otto celebrates his 95th birthday tomorrow,november 20th.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Greenowl on November 19, 2007, 03:56:28 PM
In honour of such a fantastic Birthday (and such a wonderful person) I think I should quote the old imperial anthem "God protect..."

Gott erhalte, Gott beschütze
Unsern Kaiser, unser Land!
Mächtig durch des Glaubens Stütze
Führt er uns mit weiser Hand!
Laßt uns seiner Väter Krone
Schirmen wider jeden Feind:
Innig bleibt mit Habsburgs Throne
Österreichs Geschick vereint.

    In Verbannung, fern den Landen
    Weilst Du, Hoffnung Österreichs.
    Otto, treu in festen Banden
    Steh’n zu Dir wir felsengleich.
    Dir, mein Kaiser, sei beschieden
    Alter Ruhm und neues Glück!
    Bring den Völkern endlich Frieden,
    Kehr zur Heimat bald zurück
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on November 20, 2007, 02:40:04 PM
Thank you so much for reminding. I almost forgot about his birthday!!! (Did not think about it...so much studying and other trouble) It's today and Otto is 95 now. Wonderful. I wish him all the best, and that he has still some very active and good years before him. Will he become 100? I hope!!!  It's surely interesting, how the family will celebrate it. Are there any recent infos? Maybe we will read about that during the next time.
I admire it that Otto has now become sooo old and he has done so much in his life. Simply a wonderful man, people like him are so rare!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Maximilano on November 20, 2007, 10:20:24 PM
I was informed that Otto spent his 95th birthday with his family at his home in Poecking. He got a cold and could hardly speak. He has a full agenda where he is asked to make political and historical speeches and he accepts gladly! 5 Years ago he said Life starts at 90!! He is an amazing man with many friends throughout the world.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on November 21, 2007, 03:10:19 AM
Hello Maxiliano,

This is a bit strange, because in the press it was said that they firstly do celebrations in Vienna, where he meets Fischer in the Hofburg, and a mess celebrated in the Stephansdom (also the pope congratulated him), all this already a day before his birthday. But it was stated that on October 20 th he would go to Sarajevo, to celebrate there, to show his loyalty and connection to that country. So, did he not celebrate in Sarajewo? I thought so. Or did he change any plans because of his illness?
I hope that he will be better soon!!!
All the interviews in the press were more than interesting. If anybody is interested I can post something here and translate it.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on November 21, 2007, 07:30:02 AM
That would be great to read it!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Greenowl on November 21, 2007, 09:37:59 AM
Yes Britt,  it would be wonderful if your could post some of those articles here.

Thanks in advance,
GREENOWL
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on November 21, 2007, 10:02:26 AM
As those interviews are sometimes a bit longer, I need at first some time to translate it. Or don't we need a translation? I fear not all people know german here...What do you think?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Greenowl on November 21, 2007, 04:24:11 PM
I have no problem reading the interviews in the original German, but as you say, not everybody can understand that language. Maybe I could help you translate some parts of them?

Cheers
GREENOWL
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on November 21, 2007, 11:27:34 PM
If Austria would still be an Empire,Otto would not only be it's 95 year old Emperor,but also Emperor of Austria,Apostolic King of Hungary,King of Bohemia(de jure)
for 85 years!He would beat Ramses II as longest Reigning Monarch,ever.

The Imperial family was received at the Hofburg,Vienna by Austria's president to honour Otto's birthday.

Archduke Otto with his son and Heir Karl and grandson Ferdinand Zvonimir
http://www.isifa.com/photo/preview/15841007.jpg



Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on November 22, 2007, 02:58:15 AM
Thank you very much for the nice picture, Lucien. It's interesting to see three Habsburg generations next to each other. It's incredibile how little Ferdinand has grown up. I always remember little child pictures! He is such a beautiful boy, and will once be chief of the family :)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Learning on January 09, 2008, 10:26:50 AM
Archduke Karl as Otto's eldest son will become head of the House of Habsburg. Indeed, I think Otto has already confirmed this and Karl is effectively a regent. There is a short Wikipedia article on him in both English and German. Does anyone know what he does now? Does he work? Are the Habsburgs comfortable enough that he does not have to work? Does he live in a villa near Salzburg or just an ordinary house? Does he have any interest in the family and in keeping the Habsburg aspirations (such as they are!) alive? Thanks.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Princess of Cupertino on January 09, 2008, 12:41:23 PM
Also I wonder if his marriage was "equal" since I remember she was a countess ... and they seem to be seperated now?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on January 10, 2008, 06:06:35 AM
Yes, they live separated. Even when I think there are people, who have more knowlegde on the life of Karl, I know that some think, he is not the best person for a job as future chief of the family. There are even certain family members thinking that. We already discussed about that on the thread on Otto and Regina. Please do also have a look there.
For now Otto already gave him a lot of tasks, and wrote a letter to the family concerning naming Karl as future chief, that was last year, but I don't think Otto would be man, to whome it would be allright giving all tasks etc to his son and then doing nothing. Never.
Please have a look at the other thread as well. I posted a translation on that family letter there.

If anybody has more infos on the current life, please post!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: dmitri on January 10, 2008, 07:41:28 AM
None of it really matters. It is purely a private family matter. Once Dr. Otto von Habsburg sadly passes away as surely he must, the status of the Habsburgs will alter considerably. He after all was born before the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and has a personal connection with it. His sons have none apart from their father and the name he bequeathed to them. It willl be a sad day indeed when Dr. Otto von Habsburg dies.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on January 10, 2008, 08:40:38 AM
Yes, somewhere you are right. But I think this problem we will always have: Times are changing and even a royal house like the Habsburgs must find a way between the historicial connected background, the tradition and modernism, which I also think so, is not too easy. Surely Otto was the last one, who himself lived at the time, when the reign of the Habsburgs was still alive, and all his descendants cannot share this. But that's like it is. There will always be the historical background, but times are new.
I hope the house will find a way to deal with this change, but sometimes even in royal families, changes are necessary and cannot be thought away, when times are moving. I really hope, Archduke will make the best out of it also by finding that way in between.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 12, 2008, 10:17:37 AM
The only thing I know is that Karl and his daughters Eleonore and Gloria live in Anif near Salzburg. Francesca seems to live in Vienna. Ferdinand stayed with his mother, but now he attends to an international school. A fact that is quite interesting: The whole family were in Munich to celebrate Otto's 95th birthday. So they must come along pretty well with each other.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: dmitri on January 12, 2008, 03:10:16 PM
It is not uncommon for parents to be civil in front of their children and in-laws/family. The fact that the couple are living apart shows they don't get along well enough to remain together.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Norbert on January 12, 2008, 05:18:46 PM
I think we can be sure that the habsburg dynasty is in the safe and very wealthy and capable hands of Archduchess Francesca
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: dmitri on January 12, 2008, 09:13:19 PM
There is no dynasty. That finished in 1918. All that is left is the private Habsburg family and they tend to keep a fairly low profile. I think that is the way they like it.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Princess of Cupertino on January 12, 2008, 10:15:43 PM
I think we can be sure that the habsburg dynasty is in the safe and very wealthy and capable hands of Archduchess Francesca

Can you provide more information on Francesca? I know nothing about her. thanks!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: dmitri on January 15, 2008, 07:11:58 AM
I wonder where exactly Otto and Regina plan to be buried? There certainly is not much room near Kaiserin Zita in the Capuchin Church crypt.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 15, 2008, 09:53:13 AM
It is not uncommon for parents to be civil in front of their children and in-laws/family. The fact that the couple are living apart shows they don't get along well enough to remain together.

Possibly, but sometimes parents get along very well with each other just because they live separate lives. ;)

Francesca was present at Carl Ludwig Habsburg's funeral last Saturday.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on January 16, 2008, 10:09:47 AM
This question was already asked in the section on Archduke Carl Ludwig, his brother.
Yes, that is indeed open, where Otto will once be buried. As far I know if from a person, who is very knowing in all things on the modern Habsburgs and Otto etc etc told me that Dr. Otto von Habsburg was already asked that in an interview (strange!) about that point, and Otto did not give any concrete answer, but told that he had a place for it in his mind (We do not know which). So it can be possible that he meant the Kapuzinergruft, even when there is no "real proof" for it. I think as chief of the family Otto has the right to decide over who is or will be buried in the Kaisergruft, but still I'm not totally sure, of which place he thinks for himself. As he is also very connected with other european countries it could also be that he wants to be buried somewhere totally else (another country?) We will see it. But despite of that discussion I hope Otto  will still have some years full of activity before him.... ;)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 16, 2008, 01:45:55 PM
As far I know if from a person, who is very knowing in all things on the modern Habsburgs and Otto etc etc told me that Dr. Otto von Habsburg was already asked that in an interview (strange!) about that point, and Otto did not give any concrete answer, but told that he had a place for it in his mind (We do not know which).

Otto was asked this question in a report about the Kaisergruft which was broadcasted last year. He smiled, but he didn't give an answer. Anyway, I think we shouldn't talk about this topic. He is such a great man and we should be happy that he is still alive.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on January 17, 2008, 02:26:56 AM
Yes, you're right. We will see it early enough.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on January 17, 2008, 04:43:41 AM
Is realy quite morbid to ask him where he intends to be buried. But maybe he would like to be close to his father in Madeira. Who knows...
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: dmitri on January 17, 2008, 06:18:41 AM
Well I hope it won't be too soon. He really is the last link with the former Empire. Once he has gone it will be finally laid to rest sadly.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Greenowl on January 30, 2008, 09:53:30 AM
I have just heard that the town of Brandys nad Labem (Brandeis an der Elbe) wants to make Archduke Otto an "honourable citizen of Brandys" and he is supposed to be coming to Brandys later this year. Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Maximilano on February 12, 2008, 05:07:05 PM
I saw the pictures of Archduke Karl and Francesca on "Point de Vue" Feb 2008. They look peaceful. None the less they are separated and from what I hear they are at least on speaking terms and do all so that both parents get to see the children often.

I always wondered why Archduke Karl lives in a suburb of Salzburg and not in Vienna.

What does he do for a living?

What did he study? and did he finished a Dr degree as his father?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Maximilano on February 12, 2008, 07:00:38 PM
I think we can be sure that the habsburg dynasty is in the safe and very wealthy and capable hands of Archduchess Francesca

Can we? Are all Habsburg's on speaking terms with Archduchess Francesca? Has anybody seen a picture with Francesca and her Habsburg Cousins?

Is she really an able communicator? Politician?  What is the general impression of the Austrian people about Francesca?

All I can tell you is that over 50% of Austrians cannot recall her name although she lives in Austria.

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Princess of Cupertino on February 13, 2008, 12:59:19 PM
I think we can be sure that the habsburg dynasty is in the safe and very wealthy and capable hands of Archduchess Francesca

Can we? Are all Habsburg's on speaking terms with Archduchess Francesca? Has anybody seen a picture with Francesca and her Habsburg Cousins?

Is she really an able communicator? Politician?  What is the general impression of the Austrian people about Francesca?

All I can tell you is that over 50% of Austrians cannot recall her name although she lives in Austria.



What is her background exactly? Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: ashdean on February 13, 2008, 03:34:57 PM
I think we can be sure that the habsburg dynasty is in the safe and very wealthy and capable hands of Archduchess Francesca

Can we? Are all Habsburg's on speaking terms with Archduchess Francesca? Has anybody seen a picture with Francesca and her Habsburg Cousins?

Is she really an able communicator? Politician?  What is the general impression of the Austrian people about Francesca?

All I can tell you is that over 50% of Austrians cannot recall her name although she lives in Austria.



What is her background exactly? Does anyone know?
She is the daughter of a much married, deceased German billionaire magnate (with a bogus Hungarian title)by his third wife a genteel, Scottish very beautiful former model
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: beladona on February 13, 2008, 04:19:28 PM
From Genealogy Euweb (http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hung/thyssen.html (http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hung/thyssen.html):
Hans Henrik Ágost Gábor Tasso, *Den Haag 2.4.1921;
1m: Castagnola 1.8.1946 (div 1954) Pss Theresia von Lippe-Weissenfeld (*21.7.1925);
2m: Colombo, Ceylon 23.6.1954 (div 1956) Nina Dyer (*London 15.2.1930, +Paris 3.7.1965);
3m: Castagnola 17.9.1956 (div 1965) Fiona Frances Campbell-Walter (*Takapoona, Prov. Auckland, Neuseeld 25.6.1932);
4m: Castagnola 13.12.1967 (div 1984) Denise Shorto (*Garca 23.12.1942);
5m: Daylesford, Moreton-in-Marsch, Gloucester 16.8.1985 Maria del Carmen Cervera Fernandez (*23.4.1943)

From five marriages he has four children:
from first a son: GEORG HEINRICH Alfred Gabor, *Castagnola 19.3.1950
from third two daughters: FRANCESCA Anne Dolores, *Lausanne 7.6.1958; m. Mariazell 31.1.1993 Archduke Karl Thomas von Habsburg-Lothringen (*11.1.1961); and LORNE, *Lugano 15.6.1963
from fourth his second son, Wilfried ALEXANDER August, *Zürich 20.11.1974
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Maximilano on February 21, 2008, 10:23:33 AM
Does Karl live form her wife's money?
Does he earn a living?
Did he inherit enough money? From whom?

I wonder...
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on April 15, 2008, 01:46:50 AM
A wonderfull site:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrsfujita/2407987506/in/photostream/

courtesy Thomas who posted the link at the GREMB.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Norbert on April 15, 2008, 01:39:33 PM
So what happened? really thought Otto would be restored in Hungary in 1992 and even the Czechs must have some emotional connection to the Kingdom of Bohemia?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: REMI on November 20, 2008, 01:17:51 AM
(http://i293.photobuckethBirthday.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/e0ae9655.jpg)

Our Best Wishes for a Happy 96th Birthday to H.I.R.H Archduke Otto of Austria.

REMI
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: REMI on November 20, 2008, 01:21:34 AM
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/e0ae9655.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Greenowl on November 20, 2008, 08:23:54 AM
May he have a wonderful 96th. Birthday and many happy returns.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Vecchiolarry on November 20, 2008, 08:49:28 AM
Hi,

Happy 96th Birthday to the Archduke Otto...  He has now been Head of the Hapsburg Dynasty for 86 years...

Larry
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on November 25, 2008, 03:19:50 PM
It's so fascinating that Otto is still so active...I hope he is still healthy like before. What a man! I almost had forgotten about his birthday because of so many other things. But thank you for posting this and reminding us of this unique person. Great!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Adagietto on November 25, 2008, 05:30:40 PM
Seconded. His presence reminds us how <i>recent</i> the First World War was!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on November 25, 2008, 05:43:15 PM
What a wonderful "living link" to a time that most of us simply cannot imagine!   AP
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Maximilano on November 28, 2008, 10:45:48 AM
He is an amazing man full of strength and is still very active. He was in Vienna recently presenting some books and making some speaches. 96 is really quite something! Kaiserin Zita, her mother, died with 99 years and was lucid almost until the end.

When he turned 90 he gave a speach in Vienna where he said that "Life begins at 90"

Happy birthday
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on November 28, 2008, 03:44:33 PM
His mother Empress Zita ( 9 May 1892 – 14 March 1989) was nearly 97,when she died.
Therefore could be said, that Otto has almost reached her age.
I wish him also all the best for his recent birthday.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 04, 2008, 11:18:33 AM
His mother Empress Zita ( 9 May 1892 – 14 March 1989) was nearly 97,when she died.
Therefore could be said, that Otto has almost reached her age.
I wish him also all the best for his recent birthday.

Otto's grandmother Duchess Maria Antonia of Parma, née Braganza, died aged 96.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: RealAnastasia on December 04, 2008, 10:00:08 PM
Happy Birthday Archduke Otto! You are a grandson of Emperor Franz-Josef of Austria...The only one left, I think. A shrine of the long ago past, that should never be forgotten.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Greenowl on December 05, 2008, 08:01:23 AM
Archduke Otto is not a grandson of Emperor Franz Joseph, but rather his great-grandnephew....Franz Joseph's brother Archduke Karl Ludwig was Otto's great-grandfather.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 10, 2008, 03:56:15 PM
Happy Birthday Archduke Otto! You are a grandson of Emperor Franz-Josef of Austria...The only one left, I think.

Otto still has two brothers, Felix (born 1916) and Rudolf (born 1919).

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: belianis on December 17, 2008, 07:43:08 PM
HIRH Franz Joseph Otto is the firstborn of the Blessed Charles I-IV, one of three saints associated with WWI:
St Pius X, who could not prevent it;
Passion Bearer Nicholas II, who died because of it;
Blessed Charles I-IV, who could not stop it.
What did that fool Prinzip and his accomplices think they would accomplish with the assassinations of 28 June 1914? Will the world ever be free from the consequences of the Great War?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Stefan22 on December 20, 2008, 11:57:12 AM
Happy Birthday Archduke Otto! You are a grandson of Emperor Franz-Josef of Austria...The only one left, I think.

Otto still has two brothers, Felix (born 1916) and Rudolf (born 1919).



That's true! These two are still left, but to be honest, Archduke Félix already seemed a bit sickly, when I saw him in April during the funeral of his one son...one never knows, but I hope the best that he'll still be around us for a time...

Archduke Rudolf also looks quiet frail. I have seen a picture of him at the recent QWedding od Archduchess Marie Christine and he was sitting in a weelchair.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on December 20, 2008, 02:31:59 PM
In April they both mostly sat in the wheelchair, I remember, Archduke Felix, too. Archduke Rudolf even walked a bit- alone!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Maximilano on March 09, 2009, 07:40:20 PM
It is amazing the old age that this generation of Hapsburg's get. From 5 brothers 4 have surpassed 80 years old, and 3 got over 90. Will anyone get to 100?

Archduke Otto was still making a book presentation and political speaches this January 2009 in Vienna, Austria. (He is 96!)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on March 10, 2009, 03:41:35 AM
It's almost not to believe that he still gives speeches in that age, it's great.  Can you tell us, which book he presented in Jan. 2009 and what was the topic? And where was it? Sounds interesting in any way!  I wonder, if this generation of the Habsburgs has its vitality from the Bourbon-Parma (Zitas) side...maybe! I could imagine and I hope that Otto becomes 100.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on April 28, 2009, 10:15:51 AM
Their wedding:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOr_j7tmOTc&feature=related

courtesy Storicus.
 :)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on June 30, 2009, 09:34:04 PM
Archduke Otto suffered serious head injuries after he fell in his house in Pöcking,Bavaria.
Otto was immediatly taken to hospital but meanwhile is recovering and taking meals,
according to Archduchess Michaela,his daughter.

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Greenowl on July 01, 2009, 10:31:32 AM
Archduke Otto was released from hospital about ten days after his fall, which took place on the weekend of 13th. June when he lost his footing and slipped on a step, leading to head injuries. He is back home again and said to be fine. What a relief!

Cheers,
GREENOWL
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Terence on July 01, 2009, 11:38:31 PM
Archduke Otto was released from hospital about ten days after his fall, which took place on the weekend of 13th. June when he lost his footing and slipped on a step, leading to head injuries. He is back home again and said to be fine. What a relief!

Cheers,
GREENOWL

I'm just glad someone his age is still doing fine.  My Grandmother at 103 is doing well, but every misstep causes concern.

God bless the survivors.

T
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on July 01, 2009, 11:41:36 PM
Indeed!  God Bless the Survivors!   AP
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on July 16, 2009, 04:52:15 AM
Archduke Otto was released from hospital about ten days after his fall, which took place on the weekend of 13th. June when he lost his footing and slipped on a step, leading to head injuries. He is back home again and said to be fine. What a relief!

Cheers,
GREENOWL


Thank you for the info! I didn't know that he fell and was in hospital, I really hope he's recovering, would be bad if somethings serious happened to him now....it's always dangerous in that age....!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 16, 2009, 08:07:56 AM
Archduke Otto was released from hospital about ten days after his fall, which took place on the weekend of 13th. June when he lost his footing and slipped on a step, leading to head injuries. He is back home again and said to be fine. What a relief!

Cheers,
GREENOWL


Thank you for the info! I didn't know that he fell and was in hospital, I really hope he's recovering, would be bad if somethings serious happened to him now....it's always dangerous in that age....!

Glad you´re back Britt!

HIH is doing well again now tho.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on November 20, 2009, 12:12:57 PM
HI&RH Archduke Otto of Habsburg celebrates his 97th birthday today.

Bless him.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on November 20, 2009, 01:41:12 PM
Happy birthday to HI&RH Archduke Otto of Habsburg!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: newfan on November 20, 2009, 06:36:12 PM
any pictures from his bday or how he is doing?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Stefan22 on February 03, 2010, 05:19:47 AM
Archduchess Regina passed away today in the circle of her Family. She had since longer time Heart Problems

http://orf.at/?href=http%3A%2F%2Forf.at%2Fticker%2F356849.html

http://www.news.at/articles/1005/40/261040/ehefrau-otto-habsburg-die-85-jaehrige-herzbeschwerden

http://diepresse.com/home/leben/mensch/537220/index.do?from=rss
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Rani on February 03, 2010, 05:54:44 AM
That´s so sad. Poor Otto.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on February 03, 2010, 09:38:38 AM
Archduchess Regina passed away today in the circle of her Family. She had since longer time Heart Problems

http://orf.at/?href=http%3A%2F%2Forf.at%2Fticker%2F356849.html

http://www.news.at/articles/1005/40/261040/ehefrau-otto-habsburg-die-85-jaehrige-herzbeschwerden

http://diepresse.com/home/leben/mensch/537220/index.do?from=rss

May She rest in Peace,and may God give Archduke Otto and His Family strength,love and warmth.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on February 03, 2010, 11:39:41 AM
Archduchess Regina passed away today in the circle of her Family. She had since longer time Heart Problems

http://orf.at/?href=http%3A%2F%2Forf.at%2Fticker%2F356849.html

http://www.news.at/articles/1005/40/261040/ehefrau-otto-habsburg-die-85-jaehrige-herzbeschwerden

http://diepresse.com/home/leben/mensch/537220/index.do?from=rss

May She rest in Peace,and may God give Archduke Otto and His Family strength,love and warmth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0QR6Rpqa0Y
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on February 03, 2010, 01:15:52 PM
Re Reply #144:    Danke schoen, "Lucien" !    AP
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on February 04, 2010, 12:45:03 AM
Archduchess Regina will lay in state at Sankt Ulrich,Pöcking from saturday february 6th till monday february 8th.
On tuesday february 9th His Eminence Bishop Mixa will lead a solemn Holy Mass in Pöcking,on wednesday
HI&RH will be laid to rest at the family vault at the cemetary of Heldburg (municipality of Hildburghausen,Thüringen).

In loving memory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOr_j7tmOTc&feature=PlayList&p=8051EFAB11CABDE0&index=17

2 Years ago at Archduke Otto´s 95th birthday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boK3HExXNjQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqkMbk8eX6Y&feature=related



Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 04, 2010, 03:54:29 AM
This is so sad, may she rest in Peace.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on February 04, 2010, 03:55:59 AM
Archduchess Regina passed away today in the circle of her Family.
R.I.P.
A long life, 85 years, although not as long as her mother, Countess Klara-Maria von Korff genannt Schmissing-Kerssenbrock, Duchess of Saxe-Meiningen, who lived to become 96.
Does anybody know if this mother was a Catholic and the reason for Regina and her siblings, children of the heir to the Protestant Duchy of Saxe-Meiningen, being Catholics?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 04, 2010, 05:34:34 AM
My sympathies go out to Dr. Otto Habsburg, his children and extended family. May she rest in peace.



Does anybody know if this mother was a Catholic and the reason for Regina and her siblings, children of the heir to the Protestant Duchy of Saxe-Meiningen, being Catholics?

I don't think that this is the right place to discuss such questions.

Please have a look at this thread about Otto Habsburg and his family: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=5399.0 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=5399.0)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Marie Valerie on February 04, 2010, 06:41:23 AM
Otto's wife Regina had died on 03. February 2010

RiP
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 04, 2010, 09:59:52 AM
She died at the family home in Poecking, in the state of Bavaria, her family has revealed in a statement. She had been suffering from heart problems for some time. I hadn't realized she was a social worker before marrying.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on February 04, 2010, 10:05:37 AM
http://theroyaltwist.com/wp-content/uploads/28243345687694511.jpg

http://theroyaltwist.com/archduchess-regina-is-dead/#more-3574

courtesy Sofia.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 04, 2010, 10:20:01 AM
Marlene's blog has postings up about her life, engagement, marriage and death

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on February 05, 2010, 04:02:49 AM
Daily Telegraph obituary from Archduchess Regina

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/royalty-obituaries/7158643/Archduchess-Regina-von-Habsburg.html
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on February 05, 2010, 05:25:39 AM
Schloss Heldburg,Hildburghausen

http://www.pbase.com/camboy/image/65218438

courtesy Warren who posted the link at TRF.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on February 06, 2010, 01:47:25 AM
Schloss Heldburg,Hildburghausen

http://www.pbase.com/camboy/image/65218438

courtesy Warren who posted the link at TRF.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2010/02/archduchess-regina-passes-away-at-85.html

courtesy hja

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=03-02-2010%20Archduchess

courtesy ppe
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on February 08, 2010, 11:13:50 AM
This weekend at the St.Ulrich church in Pöcking:

http://www.merkur-online.de/nachrichten/bayern/fotostrecke-regina-habsburg-abschied-kaiserin-620378.html?popup=media
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on February 09, 2010, 08:38:27 AM
Pöcking,Bavaria today:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1265725078.html

courtesy Stefan,GREMB/AP
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Stefan22 on February 09, 2010, 01:47:46 PM
Videos:
http://tvthek.orf.at/programs/1257-Heute-in-Oesterreich/episodes/1236729-Heute-in-Oesterreich/1236895-Hochadel-trauert-um-Regina-Habsburg

http://www.br-online.de/bayerisches-fernsehen/rundschau/requiem-regina-von-habsburg-abschied-ID1265728689461.xml
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on February 11, 2010, 10:04:14 AM
Videos:
http://tvthek.orf.at/programs/1257-Heute-in-Oesterreich/episodes/1236729-Heute-in-Oesterreich/1236895-Hochadel-trauert-um-Regina-Habsburg

http://www.br-online.de/bayerisches-fernsehen/rundschau/requiem-regina-von-habsburg-abschied-ID1265728689461.xml

Archduchess Regima has found her last resting place at the Heldburg.

As her youngest daughter explained;"She simply loved it here,Thuringia,Heldburg,Hildburghausen.And after the fall of the wall she often travelled to the Hildburghausen and visited,ao,her old schoolfriends here.For us as a family the circle is round now,she is home and it was our last duty to see to it that
she is at the place she held dear now.

http://www.mdr.de/thueringen-journal/7081772.html

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: José on February 15, 2010, 12:11:57 PM
Were there any members of the Saxe-Meiningen family present at the funeral ?

After all, the present Duke was a first cousin, since his father and ADss Regina's father were brothers.

Any pictures of the Sx.Meiningen ?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Rani on February 19, 2010, 11:22:38 AM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/e6ef11.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Rani on March 13, 2010, 06:30:10 PM
http://www.kaiser-politiker-visionaer-europaeer.de/index.html
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Marie Valerie on April 08, 2010, 11:15:42 AM
I have never seen a photo or painting of the late Archduchess Regina's mother, Klara-Marie Gräfin von Korff gennant Schmising-Kerssenbrock.

Can any of you help?

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Marc on April 08, 2010, 06:55:09 PM
Unfortunately for us there are no paintings on the web,but here is a photo...

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Klara.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Marie Valerie on April 09, 2010, 07:12:04 AM
Thank you so much Marc!

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 26, 2010, 08:02:42 AM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/20fp79z.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 12, 2010, 08:17:23 AM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/znl9jd.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on June 13, 2010, 10:30:14 AM
A portrait of young Archduke Otto von Habsburg.

(http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/45853/2730650300101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2730650300101857556fHySEP)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 14, 2010, 08:05:13 AM
young Otto

(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9665/ottodehabsbourgenfant23.jpg) (http://img231.imageshack.us/i/ottodehabsbourgenfant23.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 23, 2010, 09:42:11 AM
The happy couple in their marriage day

(http://i46.tinypic.com/125nhg2.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on November 20, 2010, 06:57:15 AM
Today, 20 November, is the 98th birthday of HIRH Archduke Otto von Habsburg, a true gentleman who has rightfully become a "legend in his own time."  Dr. von Habsburg has seen the world change so very much, but yet he has endured with grace and peace.  With since best wishes,  Aleksandr Pavlovich.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: newfan on November 27, 2010, 04:10:50 AM
I was always fascinated by him ,what he saw in life ,WWI WWII to be at the coronation of his parants and funeral of emperor Franc Joseph...
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 04, 2011, 02:41:46 AM
With deep regret and sadness I have to post about the passing of His Imperial and Royal Highness Archduke Otto of Habsburg
at the blessed age of 98 years.Otto was the eldest son of TM Emperor Karl and Empress Zita of Austria and Austria's last Crown
Prince during the Reign of the Habsburgs.

May he rest in peace.Truly,with his passing an era,an epoch of what was,came to a final end.

May His Family find comfort in the knowledge they are not alone in their grief.  

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/leute/bild-772111-233263.html
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 04, 2011, 03:19:57 AM
With deep regret and sadness I have to post about the passing of His Imperial and Royal Highness Archduke Otto of Habsburg
at the blessed age of 98 years.Otto was the eldest son of TM Emperor Karl and Empress Zita of Austria and last Crown
Prince of Austria - Hungary ( 1916 - 1918) during the Reign of the Habsburgs.

May he rest in peace.Truly,with his passing an era,an epoch of what was,came to a final end.

May His Family find comfort in the knowledge they are not alone in their grief.  

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/leute/bild-772111-233263.html

HI RH Archduke Otto passed away peacefully in his sleep early this morning at his house in Pöcking near the Starnberger See,Bavaria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZgkGO9nTLc&NR=1

From a concert at the Piaristenkirche,Vienna.

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Greenowl on July 04, 2011, 05:58:57 AM
A very sad day. May he rest in peace. His family will not be alone in their sorrow at his passing.

GREENOWL
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 04, 2011, 07:56:18 AM
How sad!! he was one of my favorite modern royals . RIP.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 04, 2011, 08:41:46 AM
Hi,

Very sad news;  my condolences to the Habsburg family.

He lived a long and exemplory life - a credit to his parents and Austria and Europe.

Larry
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 04, 2011, 09:18:05 AM
Hi,

Very sad news;  my condolences to the Habsburg family.

He lived a long and exemplory life - a credit to his parents and Austria and Europe.

Larry

He died peacefully in his sleep early this morning at his house in Pöcking,Bavaria.

Archduke Otto is succeeded as Head of the Houise of Habsburg by his eldest son,HI & RH Archduke Karl.

http://otto.twschwarzer.de/

courtesy T.W.Schwarzer.

In Memoriam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVReppJEc3E&feature=player_embedded

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 04, 2011, 09:46:12 AM
Hi,

Very sad news;  my condolences to the Habsburg family.

He lived a long and exemplory life - a credit to his parents and Austria and Europe.

Larry

He died peacefully in his sleep early this morning at his house in Pöcking,Bavaria.

Archduke Otto is succeeded as Head of the Houise of Habsburg by his eldest son,HI & RH Archduke Karl.

http://otto.twschwarzer.de/

courtesy T.W.Schwarzer.

In Memoriam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVReppJEc3E&feature=player_embedded



Archduke Otto will find his last resting place in the Kapuzinergruft,Vienna together with late spouse Archduchess Regina
who passed away february last and who's remains will be moved from the Heldburg Castle to Vienna now.

All 7 children of Archduke Otto were present at the deathbed of their father.

The heart of Otto will be interred in Hungary,at the Pannonhalma Monastery as is tradition in the Imperial Family on july 17th.

Four Requiem Masses will be held,in Pöcking on saturday july 9th,in Munich on monday july 11th,Mariazell Austria wednesday
july 13th and finally Vienna on saturday july 17th.

Video on occasion of the death of Archduke Otto by Austrian TV Station ORF:

http://iptv.orf.at/stories/2066891/

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on July 04, 2011, 10:18:44 AM
Truly the passing of an era.  This man saw and endured so very much of history's "waves of the sea."  Sincere condolences to his family and friends.    AP.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Princess Susan on July 04, 2011, 11:34:32 AM
He was something like connection between "today modern world" and "world of the past". People in his age, who can remember "old empire" stepwise leave us.  :( RIP Archduke Otto!
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: synnadene on July 04, 2011, 02:01:16 PM

He was the son and heir of the last King of my homeland, I feel tremendous respect for him.

May he rest in peace.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 04, 2011, 03:54:24 PM
The schedules for the Requiem Masses as well as the funeral have been announced:

Saturday July 9th, at 14.00PM at the church of St.Pius,Pöcking,celebrated by HE Bishop Dr.Konrad Zdarsa

Monday July 11th, at 10.00AM at the Theatinerkirche, ( next to the Residenz-),Munich,celebrated by HE Kardinal Rainhard Marx.
Afterwards the Taking-Leave ceremony will take place by the Bayerischen Gebirgsschützen and Tiroler Schützenkompanien
at the Odeonsplatz inbetween the Church and the Residenz.

Tuesday July 12th,TI & RH Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina will Lie in State at the Wahlfartsbasilika,Mariazell,Austria

Wednesday july 13th,Requiem at the Wahlfartsbasilika,Mariazell

Thursday and Friday july 14th & 15th: TI & RH Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina will Lie in State at the Kapuziner church,Vienna

Saturday july 16th,Requiem at 15.00PM local time ( GMT+1) at the St.Stephansdom,Vienna,celebrated by Kardinal Kristoph Schönborn,
after which the Funerary procession will proceed through the streets of Vienna followed by the interment of TI & RH in the Kapuzinergruft
next to HM Empress Zita.

Sunday July 17th,Requiem in Budapest,Hungary as the late Archdukes heart will be interred in the benedictine abbey of Pannonhalma.

Indeed,ceremonies worthy of an Emperor and Empress of Austria.

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Zukunftsseele on July 04, 2011, 04:55:31 PM
He was a great, charming, wise and intelligent person.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 04, 2011, 06:46:22 PM
Hi,



Had Otto ascended the Austro-Hungarian throne in 1922, when his father died, then he would have reigned for 89 years.  That must have then been the longest reign in European history.



Of course, this is dependant on the Empire still being in tact in 1918-1919 and not becoming a republic.

Also, if the Empire had not fallen, then perhaps Emperor Karl would not have died in 1922....



A lot of "if's" here but fascinating to comprhend!!



Larry
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on July 05, 2011, 08:18:14 AM

'Had Otto ascended the Austro-Hungarian throne in 1922, when his father died, then he would have reigned for 89 years.  That must have then been the longest reign in European history.'

Definitely. The longest is Louis XIV, at 72 years. Otto also outstrips the previous longest tenure of a royal pretender by quite some way - James Francis Edward, 'the Old Pretender' managed a fairly modest 64 years.

Ann

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: TimM on July 06, 2011, 12:02:05 AM
To think when he was born, the great Empires of Europe still stood.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 06, 2011, 01:29:46 AM

St.Pius church,Pöcking,Bavaria.HI & RH Archduke Otto lies in repose.

http://www.rp-online.de/politik/deutschland/Totenwache-fuer-einen-grossen-Europaeer_bid_66102.html

Kapuziner Crypt.The remains of Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina will be placed next to HM Empress Zita
and Archduke Otto's brother Carl Ludwig in the Gruftkapelle.

http://www.kaisergruft.at/



Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on July 06, 2011, 03:31:11 AM
Just think. Otto's father succeeded Franz Josef, who was the nephew of Marie Louise and hence nephew by marriage of Napoleon!

Ann
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 06, 2011, 10:23:15 AM
The condolence register at the site of the late Archduke Otto:

http://www.ottovonhabsburg.org/content.asp?lang=en

( If you click on the german language sign,you can see the scheduled ceremonies and funerary arrangements)



Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 06, 2011, 12:09:42 PM
The condolence register at the site of the late Archduke Otto:

http://www.ottovonhabsburg.org/content.asp?lang=en

( If you click on the german language sign,you can see the scheduled ceremonies and funerary arrangements)


Schedules and info by the Municipality of Pöcking regarding the Requiem,masses and opening of the church where the late Archduke lies in repose.

The church will be opened 24 hours a day till saturday when the Requiem will be held at the church on saturday july 9th at 14.00 PM local time.

http://www.poecking.de/index_page.php?grp=HABSBURG

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: TimM on July 06, 2011, 08:28:23 PM
Otto must have had his mothers genes, he lived to a ripe old age, like she did (when she died in 1989, Zita was 97 years old).
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 08, 2011, 01:04:26 AM
To think when he was born, the great Empires of Europe still stood.

He also was a first cousin to the late Duke of Parma who died last year,the Duke's father,Xavier,was a brother of Otto's mother,the Empress Zita.

The present Duke of Parma is the eldest son of HRH Princess Irene of The Netherlands and Prince Carlos Hugo de Bourbon-Parma,Duke of Parma who passed away  last year.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 08, 2011, 12:29:50 PM
The Benedictine Abbey of Pannonhalma,Hungary where the heart of the late Archduke Otto will be interred on sunday july 17th.

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=15986433&pos=1

The Crypt in the Abbey:

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=15986464&pos=4

The marble plaque marks the place where the Heart of the late Archduke Otto will be interred:

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=15986473&pos=5

courtesy anp
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 09, 2011, 12:48:13 AM
The French Republic posthumously bestowed HI & RH Archduke Otto with the Chevalier de Ordre National de la Legion d' Honneur,
the highest decoration of France.The decoration was to signify the work of Otto von Habsburg for a united Europe and for enhancing
the German - French relations.

The Legion d'Honneur was handed over to Archduke Karl,eldest son of the deceased at the foot of the coffin of the late Archduke
in Pöcking yesterday by the Grand Chancellor of the Ordre National de la Legion d"Honneur,French Forces General Jean Louis Georgelin.

More details of the funerary arrangements have been announced.The funerary procession is expected to be the longest
in Austrian history with an expected lenght of 1.2 kilometer.

Today,saturday,is the Requiem in Pöcking,Bavaria,hometown of the late Archduke Otto.

Monday at 10.00AM the Requiem at the Theatinerkirche at the Odeons Square,Munich followed by a reception
hosted by the Prime-Minister of Bavaria at the Residenz,the Royal Palace opposite the Theatinerkirche.

Tuesday and wednesday the remains of the Archduke Otto will lay in repose in Mariazell,Austria and
a Requiem will be celebrated in the Wahlfartskirche,Mariazell on wednesday.

On thursday and friday the remains of Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina will lay in repose at the
Kapuzinerkirche at the Neuer Markt,Vienna,where video-walls will allow a view inside the church for the
expected thousands who will pay their last respects.

During the night of july 15th to july 16th,friday to saturday,the remains of TI & RH will be moved to the
Stephans Dom,Vienna where a morning Mass is held at 07.30 after which the church will be closed in
order to get all arrangements in place including crème flower decarations as well as the wreaths of the
Children and grandchildren .

Starting at 13.00PM the invited guests will enter the Dom.Everyone who doesn't have one of the very
few places left in the Dom itself,can follow the Requiem on 4 video walls,2 at the Stephans Square,
1 at the Heldenplatz and 1 at the Neuen Markt.

It will be State Funeral attended by the President of Austria:Mr.Heinz Fischer,Chancellor Werner Fayman,
the governor of Nieder-Österreich and HSH Prince Hans-Adam of Liechtenstein.

His Eminence the Kardinal Christoph Schönborn will celebrate the Requiem while the Dom musicians will
perform the Requiem by Michael Haydn.Sixty priests and Bishops will co-celebrate the Requiem.

The Austrian Armed Forces will be Honorary Guard during the ceremonies.

The Requiem will start at 15.00PM local time,GMT + 1,EST + 6.Austrian national TV station ORF will
air it LIVE.I hope I can get a good link of them by that time.

After the Requiem the coffins with the remains of TI & RH will be taken in an open car, ( No carriage.) from
the Stephans Dom via the Graben,the Kohlmarkt to the Hofburg and from there via the Ring to the Kapuzinergruft,
the final resting place of the Imperial Family.

The "knocking on the door" ceremony at 19.00PM and the subsequent interment of TI & RH at the Kapuzinergruft
 is a ceremony with only Habsburg Family members in attendance.

The ceremony consists of the Master of Ceremonies knocking on the door of the Crypt asking admittance of Otto and Regina
with their full titles and honours to which a monk inside answers "We do not know them".
The the Master of Ceremonies asks again,with mentioning of the title of Archduke and Archduchess,again the monk will deny
access with the words;"We do not know them",to which the master of ceremonies requests for the poor sinners Otto and
Regina to be admitted,after which the monk will say admittance is granted and open the doors to the Crypt.A ceremony dating
hundreds of years as was and is custom for the Habsburg Family.

The church in Pöcking,Bavaria where the late Archduke lies in repose at present,and more links:

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/slideshow/Hier-wird-Otto-Habsburg-aufgebahrt/33230634

The Gruft chapel where HM the Empress Zita and her son Archduke Carl Ludwig are interred
as will Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina on saturday july 16th.

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=2&ShowPicture=15989447&pos=24

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=2&ShowPicture=15989396&pos=18

The bust of the Blessed Emperor Karl I in the Gruft Chapel next to the tomb of his spouse Zita.

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=2&ShowPicture=15989399&pos=19

courtesy anp


Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 09, 2011, 02:15:24 AM
The French Republic posthumously bestowed HI & RH Archduke Otto with the Chevalier de Ordre National de la Legion d' Honneur,
the highest decoration of France.The decoration was to signify the work of Otto von Habsburg for a united Europe and for enhancing
the German - French relations.

The Legion d'Honneur was handed over to Archduke Karl,eldest son of the deceased at the foot of the coffin of the late Archduke
in Pöcking yesterday by the Grand Maître du Ordre National de la Legion d"Honneur,French Forces General Jean Louis Georgelin.

More details of the funerary arrangements have been announced.The funerary procession is expected to be the longest
in Austrian history with an expected lenght of 1.2 kilometer.

Today,saturday,is the Requiem in Pöcking,Bavaria,hometown of the late Archduke Otto.

Monday at 10.00AM the Requiem at the Theatinerkirche at the Odeons Square,Munich followed by a reception
hosted by the Prime-Minister of Bavaria at the Residenz,the Royal Palace opposite the Theatinerkirche.

Tuesday and wednesday the remains of the Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina will lay in repose in Mariazell,
Austria and a Requiem will be celebrated in the Wahlfartskirche,Mariazell on wednesday.

On thursday and friday the remains of Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina will lay in repose at the
Kapuzinerkirche at the Neuer Markt,Vienna,where video-walls will allow a view inside the church for the
expected thousands who will pay their last respects.

During the night of july 15th to july 16th,friday to saturday,the remains of HI & RH Archduke Otto will be
moved to the Stephans Dom,Vienna where a morning Mass is held at 07.30 after which the church will be
closed in order to get all arrangements in place including crème flower decarations as well as the wreaths of
the Children and grandchildren .

Starting at 13.00PM the invited guests will enter the Dom.Everyone who doesn't have one of the very
few places left in the Dom itself,can follow the Requiem on 4 video walls,2 at the Stephans Square,
1 at the Heldenplatz and 1 at the Neuen Markt.

It will be State Funeral attended by the President of Austria:Mr.Heinz Fischer,Chancellor Werner Fayman,
the governor of Nieder-Österreich and HSH Prince Hans-Adam of Liechtenstein.

His Eminence the Kardinal Christoph Schönborn will celebrate the Requiem while the Dom musicians will
perform the Requiem by Michael Haydn.Sixty priests and Bishops will co-celebrate the Requiem.

The Austrian Armed Forces will be Honorary Guard during the ceremonies.

The Requiem will start at 15.00PM local time,GMT + 1,EST + 6.Austrian national TV station ORF will
air it LIVE.I hope I can get a good link of them by that time.

After the Requiem the coffin with the remains of HI & RH will be taken in an open car, ( No carriage.) from
the Stephans Dom via the Graben,the Kohlmarkt to the Hofburg and from there via the Ring to the Kapuzinergruft,
the final resting place of the Imperial Family.

The "knocking on the door" ceremony at 19.00PM and the subsequent interment of TI & RH at the Kapuzinergruft
 is a ceremony with only Habsburg Family members in attendance.

The ceremony consists of the Master of Ceremonies knocking on the door of the Crypt asking admittance of Otto and Regina
with their full titles and honours to which a monk inside answers "We do not know them".
The the Master of Ceremonies asks again,with mentioning of the title of Archduke and Archduchess,again the monk will deny
access with the words;"We do not know them",to which the master of ceremonies requests for the poor sinners Otto and
Regina to be admitted,after which the monk will say admittance is granted and open the doors to the Crypt.A ceremony dating
hundreds of years as was and is custom for the Habsburg Family.

The church in Pöcking,Bavaria where the late Archduke lies in repose at present,and more links:

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/slideshow/Hier-wird-Otto-Habsburg-aufgebahrt/33230634

The Gruft chapel where HM the Empress Zita and her son Archduke Carl Ludwig are interred
as will Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina on saturday july 16th.

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=2&ShowPicture=15989447&pos=24

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=2&ShowPicture=15989396&pos=18

The bust of the Blessed Emperor Karl I in the Gruft Chapel next to the tomb of his spouse Zita.

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=2&ShowPicture=15989399&pos=19

courtesy anp


I forgot to add that the remains of the late Archduchess Regina will stay at the Kapuziner church untill the interment of both on saturday evening.
Archduchess Regina already had a Requiem when she passed away in february last year.The requiem in Mariazell on wednesday will be the exception.

Also,the body of Archduke Otto will be taken by an open car from the Stephans Dom to the Kapuzinergruft as was his express wish.Archduke Otto
was a modern man and thought horse and carriage not fitting in this day and age,according to Mrs. Demerle,speaker for the Habsburg Family.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 09, 2011, 12:33:56 PM
A Requiem was celebrated at the Church of St.Pius,Pöcking,Bavaria this afternoon for the late Archduke Otto.
The first in a series of five Requiems.

The coffin with the remains of the late Archduke Otto were moved from the church of St.Ulrich to the church of St.Pius
in a procession through the streets of the village of Pöcking.Besides the children and other Habsburg Family members,
hundreds accompanied the coffin in the procession.

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16005024&pos=1

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16005030&pos=3

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16005029&pos=2

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16005023&pos=4

courtesy anp

The next Requiem is on monday the 11th of july at the Theatiner church,Munich at 10.00AM local time,
after which the Taking Leave ceremony will take place by the Bayerische Gebigsschützen at the Odeonsplatz.

The Prime Minister of Bavaria will host a reception for the invited guests at the Residenz,the Royal Palace opposite the Theatiner church & Odeonsplatz after the ceremonies.

Bavarian TV will air the Requiem LIVE.

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 09, 2011, 01:42:22 PM
More of the Requiem at the St.Pius,Pöcking today:

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16007478&pos=8

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16007471&pos=6

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16007616&pos=11

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16007467&pos=5

courtesy anp
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Whiskers on July 09, 2011, 05:02:44 PM
The French Republic posthumously bestowed HI & RH Archduke Otto with the Chevalier de Ordre National de la Legion d' Honneur,
the highest decoration of France.The decoration was to signify the work of Otto von Habsburg for a united Europe and for enhancing
the German - French relations.

The Legion d'Honneur was handed over to Archduke Karl,eldest son of the deceased at the foot of the coffin of the late Archduke
in Pöcking yesterday by the Grand Chancellor of the Ordre National de la Legion d"Honneur,French Forces General Jean Louis Georgelin.


Can you tell us Is there any photo's or video's of the handover Legion d' Honneur ceremony.
Is the any links to sites of the announcement of the Legion d' Honneur
Has the Elysee Palace said anything about Archduke Otto.

Who approved the Itinerary that you've posted “Lucien”, was It approved through the Federal Ministry of the Interior, Section IV Service and Control.
Have they post any announcements about Archduke Otto, can you post a link to It.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 09, 2011, 06:17:24 PM
The French Republic posthumously bestowed HI & RH Archduke Otto with the Chevalier de Ordre National de la Legion d' Honneur,
the highest decoration of France.The decoration was to signify the work of Otto von Habsburg for a united Europe and for enhancing
the German - French relations.

The Legion d'Honneur was handed over to Archduke Karl,eldest son of the deceased at the foot of the coffin of the late Archduke
in Pöcking yesterday by the Grand Chancellor of the Ordre National de la Legion d"Honneur,French Forces General Jean Louis Georgelin.


Can you tell us Is there any photo's or video's of the handover Legion d' Honneur ceremony.
Is the any links to sites of the announcement of the Legion d' Honneur
Has the Elysee Palace said anything about Archduke Otto.

Who approved the Itinerary that you've posted “Lucien”, was It approved through the Federal Ministry of the Interior, Section IV Service and Control.
Have they post any announcements about Archduke Otto, can you post a link to It.


Well well,whiskers...This,my fellow members is a novice in the field....but will it ever be a nun...

No,don't have a video of the ceremony at the St.Ulrich with the Chevalier de Ordre de la Legion d'Honneur,no,
but there are phones and people who can actually talk and tell me,amazing isn't it....

The itinirary is by the House of Habsburg and if they approved it,then no-one else is there to question that,ever.
No Ministry of anyones Interior is of any importance in this except the PM of Bavaria,you can always call his office if
you have doubts,and as for the ceremonies and Requiems in Austria,call Heinz Fischer and tell him I send you.
And then call Sarko,give him my regards and ask if he approved the CdOdlLd'H.

This is the funerary thread of HI & RH Archduke Otto,when everyone else here shows respect for that,then you should have that too.

Video of the Requiem at St.Pius church,Pöcking this afternoon.Besides the Children and Grandchildren and many other Family members
many friends attended,ao,Fürstin Gloria von Thurn und Taxis and the Esterhazy family.

http://www.br-online.de/bayrisches-fernsehen/rundschau/otto-von-habsburg-trauerzug-poecking-ID1310225417575.xml?_requestid=71632

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZgkGO9nTLc&NR=1



Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Whiskers on July 09, 2011, 08:15:29 PM
Let me point out one thing to all the people who post anything about the House of Austria, on this forun.
Archduke Otto Habsburg was the head of King Karl IV of Hungary's branch of the House of Austria, not the Habsburg family.
They do not speak for any other branch of the House of Austria, other than their own, full stop.

The peace between France & Germany, and the foundation of the modern European Commission Is credited to President Charles de Gaulle & Chancellor‎ Konrad Adenauer...No others

Lucien, We will have a greater respect for Archduke Otto more than you'll ever relies, but that's personal
You and others have posted comments on the House of Austria, that are spurious to say the least.
But that's for another time, I'm here to celebrate a mans life, not to read your Inconsistencies

And a side note Lucien...It's not Sarko, It's Sarkozy.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 10, 2011, 02:49:38 AM
Inconsistencies,really.Re-writing history is,yes...

But I go by the Empress Maria Theresia's words:

Justitia et Clementia for the ignorant ...

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 10, 2011, 03:02:25 AM
TI & RH Archduke Lorenz and Archduchess Astrid of Habsburg - Este,néé Princess of Belgium,will represent the Belgian Royal Family
at the funeral of the late Archduke Otto on saturday july 16th.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 10, 2011, 09:32:42 AM
TI & RH Archduke Lorenz and Archduchess Astrid of Habsburg - Este,néé Princess of Belgium,will represent the Belgian Royal Family
at the funeral of the late Archduke Otto on saturday july 16th.

His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI has send a condolence telegram to the Head of the House,Archduke Karl,in which He
says he connects in prayer for the deceased with the Archduke and the Imperial Family at this time of painfull loss.The
Pontiff praises the late Archduke for his constant work for peace and a united Europe.

http://www.vaticanista.info/2011/07/09/beileidstelegramm-von-papst-benedikt-xvi/

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 10, 2011, 10:22:34 AM
Lucien, do you know if Archduke Karl automatically assumes the  head  [Grand Master ?]of the Order of the Golden Fleece ?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 10, 2011, 11:18:09 AM
Hi,

I was quite surprised and delighted actually that the Calgary Herald ran a half page article on the Archduke's life and death this morning.
Complete with picture of the wedding of Otto and Regina in 1951....

Usually, we here in Canada never hear or read about any royalty unless it's British (and even that's far & sparse)...

Larry
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 10, 2011, 01:05:16 PM
Lucien, do you know if Archduke Karl automatically assumes the  head  [Grand Master ?]of the Order of the Golden Fleece ?

The Archduke Karl,present Head of the House Habsburg,already is the Sovereign of the Order since 2007 Robert.
His father handed over that prerogative to his eldest son as the then future Head of the House Habsburg that year.

Since the Spanish Succession War in the early 1700's,the Monarch of Spain bestowes the Toison d'Or as well.
Juan Carlos does to this day.He was also the one to bestow the Order to a woman for the first time in its
history:HM Queen Beatrix during her first State Visit to Spain in 1985.

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 10, 2011, 01:10:01 PM
Thank you, Lucien. I knew about the 2 separate orders.   As I understand it, the Habsburgs give to only Catholics  whereas the Spanish give to  any  faith.
 I also knew Karl  took over the head of the house because of his father's age, but nothing about the order.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 10, 2011, 01:41:23 PM
Thank you, Lucien. I knew about the 2 separate orders.   As I understand it, the Habsburgs give to only Catholics  whereas the Spanish give to  any  faith.
 I also knew Karl  took over the head of the house because of his father's age, but nothing about the order.

As for Spain,yes,Queens Beatrix,Margrethe II & QE II are Dutch reformed,lutheran & Anglican respectively,the King of Thailand is Budhist,so yes.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 10, 2011, 03:38:08 PM
More from the Requiem,Pöcking yesterday:

http://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/nr01/2011/07/archiduc-otto-requiem-a-pocking/#more-52861

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 10, 2011, 04:47:35 PM
Hi,

I was quite surprised and delighted actually that the Calgary Herald ran a half page article on the Archduke's life and death this morning.
Complete with picture of the wedding of Otto and Regina in 1951....

Usually, we here in Canada never hear or read about any royalty unless it's British (and even that's far & sparse)...

Larry

Maybe the recent Royal visit evoked an urge to publish more on Royals and History,glad the news got to the paper tho.
I think there also are a lot of immigrant families from Austria & Germany in the Calgary region aren't there?Oh,all over
Canada  really.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 10, 2011, 05:02:54 PM
Tomorrow morning at 10.00AM local time,GMT +1,EST + 6 will be the Requiem at the Theatinerkirche,Munich.
It will be one of the most grand and solemn events since a while in the Bavarian metropole.

The Taking Leave ceremony by the Bayerische Gebirgschütze on the Odeonsplatz will be impressive after the Requiem,
a moving farewell and tribute to the late Archduke Otto.The Prime Minister of Bavaria,Members of the Bavarian Government,
CSU party- as well as members of other parties,representatives of the Royal Family of Bavaria,representatives of the aristocracy,
and no doubt many many thousands will pay their last respects in Munich on Monday.

This past as well as this coming week must be a marathon of Requiems and official Mourning ceremonies in the full light of the public eye.
I pray them strength to cope with the loss of a dearly beloved father,grandfather,brother,brother-in-law,uncle,and may they also find the
courage to celebrate the life of Otto,Archduke of Austria,and joy he was here on earth at all,and gave them life and inspiration.

Bavarian TV will air the Requiem and the ceremonies on the Odeonsplatz LIVE.If I have a link to that,I will post that here.


Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 10, 2011, 05:15:13 PM
I suggest that as this is the Habsburg Imperial Family thread, we observe the Habsburg Spanish Court Protocol
and refrain from posts other then concerning the passing of the Archduke Otto untill sunday july 17th after 19.00,
ECT,as would have been the case in public life in an Austria still under Habsburg rule.Thank you..you to Eric...
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 11, 2011, 01:14:24 AM
Tomorrow morning at 10.00AM local time,GMT +1,EST + 6 will be the Requiem at the Theatinerkirche,Munich.
It will be one of the most grand and solemn events since a while in the Bavarian metropole.

The Taking Leave ceremony by the Bayerische Gebirgschütze on the Odeonsplatz will be impressive after the Requiem,
a moving farewell and tribute to the late Archduke Otto.The Prime Minister of Bavaria,Members of the Bavarian Government,
CSU party- as well as members of other parties,representatives of the Royal Family of Bavaria,representatives of the aristocracy,
and no doubt many many thousands will pay their last respects in Munich on Monday.

This past as well as this coming week must be a marathon of Requiems and official Mourning ceremonies in the full light of the public eye.
I pray them strength to cope with the loss of a dearly beloved father,grandfather,brother,brother-in-law,uncle,and may they also find the
courage to celebrate the life of Otto,Archduke of Austria,and joy he was here on earth at all,and gave them life and inspiration.

Bavarian TV will air the Requiem and the ceremonies on the Odeonsplatz LIVE.If I have a link to that,I will post that here.

After todays Requiem at the Theatinerkirche the PM of Bavaria will host a reception in the Emperors Hall,Residenz,München.

http://www.ottovonhabsburg.org/index.html

For our Forum members in Chicago,Holy Mass of Remembrance for the late Archduke Otto will
be celebrated their this evening,monday 11th at the St.John Cantius Church at 07.30 PM.

Pictures of an extraordinary life:

http://www.ottovonhabsburg.org/mm_bild.html



Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 11, 2011, 03:20:18 AM
http://www.br-online.de/aktuell/otto-von-habsburg-nachruf-ID1309762856574.xml

Please click on link under picture at the left,thank you.



Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 11, 2011, 04:18:57 AM
http://www.br-online.de/aktuell/otto-von-habsburg-nachruf-ID1309762856574.xml

Please click on link under picture at the left,thank you.


Theatinerkirche,Munich this morning:

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16017798&pos=1

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 11, 2011, 08:42:41 AM
Thank you for the links, Lucien.  Much appreciated. A Pontifical Requiem, beautiful.
 Although I know unlikely, do you know if the internment at Capcuhin crypt will be broadcast ?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 11, 2011, 09:51:21 AM
Thank you for the links, Lucien.  Much appreciated. A Pontifical Requiem, beautiful.
 Although I know unlikely, do you know if the internment at Capcuhin crypt will be broadcast ?

Yes,it will be broadcast by the Austrian National tv station ORF from 14.30PM local time on saturday the 16th.

When I have a link I will certainly post it as I think it will be a solemn and tremendously moving event,
one of the last of its kind,unless Austria graces itself and allows the Emperor Karl I to return to Vienna
to be re-united with his Empress and their children in the Kapuzinergruft.

For wednesday afternoons Requiem at the Wahlfartskirche in Mariazell I don't think there will be a broadcast.
The remains of the Archduke will arrive in Mariazell tomorrow and will lie in repose there together with his spouse,
Archduchess Regina.On wednesday evening the remains of both will be moved to the Kapzunerchurch where they
will lie in repose till saturday.The Kapuziner church will be opened 24 hours a day from thursday till saturday.

There is a video wall outside the church from thursday onwards till saturday evening after the Requiem.

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 11, 2011, 09:59:44 AM
I did not think it was Austria  blocking the repatriation of Karl, but Madera, wanting to keep hold of him until, canonisation. Of course, I could be wrong about this.
 In any case, I look forward to the  Vienna  service. I have a friend on his way just for that.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 11, 2011, 01:03:07 PM
Thank you for the links, Lucien.  Much appreciated. A Pontifical Requiem, beautiful.
 Although I know unlikely, do you know if the internment at Capcuhin crypt will be broadcast ?

Alltho,not the actual interment Robert,but the "knocking on the Door" ceremony might be aired,yes,
the Requiem and part of the funerary procession through the streets of Vienna will.

More from the Theatinerkirche,München this morning,a very moving and beautifull Requiem and
Taking Leave ceremony at the Odeonsplatz.

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16021441&pos=1

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16021474&pos=3

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16021617&pos=4

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16021602&pos=5

The Taking Leave ceremony at the Odeonsplatz,with the Theatiner church and the Hero Memorial ( Helden Denkmal)at the left::

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=2&ShowPicture=16021250&pos=17

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=2&ShowPicture=16020311&pos=16

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=2&ShowPicture=16019941&pos=15

There was a video wall closeby for the thousands to follow the ceremonies there.



Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Forum Admin on July 11, 2011, 01:05:52 PM
We have just heard from a friend of Princess Schwarzenberg--apparently, Otto will be the last Habsburg to get an Imperial funeral and burial in the Kapuzinergruft in Vienna. 
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 11, 2011, 01:30:05 PM
Probably out of room down there....
 Although not an avid royalist myself, I have always had a tremendous amount of Respect for Otto.   His tireless efforts, in emulation of his father, were commendable. Particularly with European unity.
 Despite disambiguation from some quarter, he deserves respect and honour.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Whiskers on July 11, 2011, 06:31:41 PM
We have just heard from a friend of Princess Schwarzenberg--apparently, Otto will be the last Habsburg to get an Imperial funeral and burial in the Kapuzinergruft in Vienna.  

I consider that a fair decision about the Kapuzinergruft.
Where did the friend of Princess Schwarzenberg, here about the Kapuzinergruft?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Whiskers on July 11, 2011, 07:19:16 PM
Found a link to http://www.kathtube.com/

Requiem for Archduke Otto Habsburg in München

Video's are via youtube.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 11, 2011, 08:06:38 PM
Thank you for the link, Whiskers.   The Agnus Dei was very  beautiful
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Forum Admin on July 11, 2011, 08:12:12 PM
We have just heard from a friend of Princess Schwarzenberg--apparently, Otto will be the last Habsburg to get an Imperial funeral and burial in the Kapuzinergruft in Vienna.  

I consider that a fair decision about the Kapuzinergruft.
Where did the friend of Princess Schwarzenberg, here about the Kapuzinergruft?

From Princess Schwarzenberg herself, on the telephone
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 12, 2011, 12:08:44 AM
Very fitting conclusion of a tradition as Archduke Otto,Austria's last Crown Prince,will be the last to be buried in the Kapuzinergruft.

From today the remains of both Archduke Otto and Archduke Regina will lie in repose at the Wahlfartskirche,Mariazell Austria.
The remains of Archduke Otto are expected to arrive there at 17.00PM local time,the remains of Archduchess Regina will have
arrived too by that time.At 18.00PM a Rosary will be prayed at the Basilica.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCuOiTcaGt8&feature=player_embedded

TRH The Duke and Duchess of Parma as well as HRH Prince Jaime de Bourbon Parma,the Duke's younger brother,will attend the funeral in Vienna on saturday.
The Duke's grandfather Prince Xavier,was a brother of the Empress Zita.There will be a substantial delegation from Luxembourg as well as the Grandduke's grandfather,Prince Felix,who was a brother of Empress Zita too.

More from yesterday's Requiem:

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16021436&pos=8

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16021439&pos=9

The ceremony at the Odeonsplatz was concluded with the singing of the Imperial Hymne of Austria:

"Gott Beschütze,Gott erhallte,unserem Kaiser,unserem Land"



Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 12, 2011, 03:58:38 AM
The Wahlfarts Basilica,Mariazell,where the remains of TI & RH will lie in repose today and tomorrow.
The remains of Archduke Otto are scheduled to arrive at 17.00PM,remains of Archduchess Regina will
have arrived by then too.

The Basilica will be open untill midnight and then again open at 07.00AM tomorrow morning.

The Basilica holds the statue of Magna Mater Austriae.

http://www.basilika-mariazell.at/

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 12, 2011, 08:40:58 AM
The Order of the Golden Fleece will celebrate a Requeim on thursday july 21st at 19.00PM at the Sisters Karmelitesses convent at Mayerling.
HI & RH Archduke Karl,Souvereign of the Order,will be in attendance of the Requeim celebrated by former Prior Gregor Henckel-Donnersmarck,
himself a scion of one of the most Illustrous Houses,in his function as the Aumonier-Vicaire of the Order.

The Karmelitesses convent was founded by Emperor Franz Jozef after the drama at Mayerling that included his son Rudolph in 1889
and the Church of the convent is erected at the exact venue of the drama.

TRH The Duke and Duchess of Braganza  (Portugal) will also be in attendance at the funeral,as well as HIH Prince Bertrand,
representing the Imperial Family of Brazil.

On the demise of Habsburgs over the centuries:

http://english.habsburger.net/

Besides that Archduke Otto will be the last Habsburg to be interred at the Kapuzinergruft,
he actually is the very last,as the remains of HAM Emperor Karl I will remain at Madeira.
There has been speculation as to when and if the body will return to Vienna,but I was told
that will never happen.

There has been a change of plans regarding the funeray procession through Vienna.The coffin with the remains of the late Archduke will NOT be moved by car from the Stephans Dom to the Kapuzinergruft,but will be placed on a katafalc and drawn by the Tiroler Schützen.

Most dignified.



 
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 12, 2011, 09:40:48 AM
The Order of the Golden Fleece will celebrate a Requeim on thursday july 21st at 19.00PM at the Sisters Karmelitesses convent at Mayerling.
HI & RH Archduke Karl,Souvereign of the Order,will be in attendance of the Requeim celebrated by former Prior Gregor Henckel-Donnersmarck,
himself a scion of one of the most Illustrous Houses,in his function as the Aumonier-Vicaire of the Order.

The Karmelitesses convent was founded by Emperor Franz Jozef after the drama at Mayerling that included his son Rudolph in 1889
and the Church of the convent is erected at the exact venue of the drama.

TRH The Duke and Duchess of Braganza  (Portugal) will also be in attendance at the funeral,as well as HIH Prince Bertrand,
representing the Imperial Family of Brazil.

On the demise of Habsburgs over the centuries:

http://english.habsburger.net/

( Look under "All Themes" )

Besides that Archduke Otto will be the last Habsburg to be interred at the Kapuzinergruft,
he actually is the very last,as the remains of HAM Emperor Karl I will remain at Madeira.
There has been speculation as to when and if the body will return to Vienna,but I was told
that will never happen.

There has been a change of plans regarding the funeray procession through Vienna.The coffin with the remains of the late Archduke will NOT be moved by car from the Stephans Dom to the Kapuzinergruft,but will be placed on a katafalc and drawn by the Tiroler Schützen.

Most dignified and moving.
 

TM King Carl XVI Gustav and Queen Silvia of Sweden will attend the funeral on saturday in Vienna.

TM King Harald and Queen Sonja of Norway have send their condolences to the Family but
will not attend the funeral.HM Queen Margrethe II of Denmark and Prince Henrik also send
their condolences but will not attend either as they are currently visiting Greenland.

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on July 12, 2011, 09:44:38 AM
Will the Tiroler Schutzen be mounted or on foot? It is a British tradition dating from the time of Queen Victoria that a sovereign's gun carriage is drawn by members of the Royal Navy using drag ropes. Other members of the Royal Family have a team of horses (black if available) from the King's Troop, Royal Horse Artillery.

Ann
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 12, 2011, 09:48:22 AM
Will the Tiroler Schutzen be mounted or on foot? It is a British tradition dating from the time of Queen Victoria that a sovereign's gun carriage is drawn by members of the Royal Navy using drag ropes. Other members of the Royal Family have a team of horses (black if available) from the King's Troop, Royal Horse Artillery.

Ann

By foot,we're not in Britain here nor does their tradition has anything to do in relation to the grand old House of Habsburg.
The Tiroler Schützen are never on horseback.There used to be huge horse drawn carriages,yes,with 8 black stallions to pull it.
Archduke Otto thought it out of date at this time and age.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 12, 2011, 10:39:58 AM
The remains of TI & RH arrived from Starnberg by glass car in Mariazell a short while ago.
Upon arrival the coffins were Blessed by the Bishop while their was an Honorary Guard by
the Kaiserjäger and the Mounted Artillery.

Besides the Imperial Family approximately 500 guests attended the arrival ceremony and
will pray the Rosary at 18.00PM .The church will be open until midnight and then again from
07.00AM.

The priest conducting the ancient old rites at ceremony of the "Knocking on the Door"will be
long time family friend Father Ulrich Walter Lipp.

There also is a slight change to the naming ceremony as on the first time when questioned who wishes entry,
the answer will now be:

Otto of Austria,once Crown Prince of Austria,Royal Prince of Hungary and Bohemia,of Dalmatia,Croatia,Slavonia,of
Galizia,Lodomerien and Illiria,Grand Duke of Tuscany and Krakow,,of Salzburg,Steier,Kärnten,of Krain and The Bukowina,
Grand Prince of Siebenburgen,Margrave of Mären,Duke of Upper- and Lower Schlesien,Grand Wojwode of Serbia etc etc etc.

When the munk answers;"We don't know him,who wishes entry?"

The 2nd answer will be :

Dr.Otto von Habsburg,President and Honorary President of the PAN-European Union,Member and Dean of the European Parliament,
Honorary Doctor of numerous Universities,Member of Honourable Academies and Institutes,Bearer of High and the Highest Orders of
States and of the Church,Orders and honours bestowed upon him for his decennia long fight for Freedom & Justice .

After the entry is turned down again by the priest saying;"We don't know him,who wishes entry"

The 3rd answer will be;

Otto,a poor sinner

The answer from the monk will be;" You will be admitted"...upon which he opens the doors to the Crypt
and the Imperial Couple will be interred with only the Imperial Family in attendance.
 
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 12, 2011, 11:10:16 AM
Basilica Mariazell this afternoon,the coffins with the remains of TI & RH arrived,while the Flags and Banners of the former Lands of the Austrian Empire are at the top mast,from Austria-Hungary,Bohemia,Croatia,Bosnia-Herzegowina,etc etc etc

http://steiermark.orf.at/stories/526222

Austria TV station ORF will broadcast the Requiem live on saturday starting at 13.10PM local time,GMT+1,EST+ 6,
while the actual Requiem will start at 15.00PM.ORF will air all of the solemn events including the funeray procession
but will stop at 18.50PM.

The coffin with the remains of Archduke Otto are expected to arrive at the Kapuzinergruft at 19.00PM local time.

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 12, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
On thursday the 14th of July between 15.00PM and 16.00PM the Prayers for the Death will be prayed by Bishop Stefan Turnovsky,the Upper Rabbi for Munich and Upper Bavaria;Steven Langnas (who also sang the Prayers for the Dead Al Molah Rachamin at the Odeonsplatz,Munich yesterday),and the Grand Mufti of Sarajewo Reisu-I-Ulema-Mustafa-Ceric at the foot of the coffins with the remains of TI & RH at the Kapuziner Church.

The Grand Mufti and Archduke Otto were friends and the Grand Mufti honours Otto's engagement for a free and independent Bosnia-Herzegowina.

The Jewish community of Vienna will honour the late Archduke with a special service with the Prayers for the Dead at the Temple,Vienna on friday evening.HI & RH Archduke Karl,Head of the Habsburg Family,will be in attendance and speech at the start of the ceremony.Rabbi Paul Chain Eisenberg will use a Kaddish,reserved only for "deserved Friends of the Jewish community"..(please Rob,or anyone else familiar with the Jewish traditons,excuse me if my translations in this respect are rather poor,but I hope all understand what I write about and put it in the right wording if possible?)

The common heritage and being related to the Archfather Abraham of all three denominations always was and remained a principal point of interest of the late Archduke,emphasizing on what they have in common rather then the differences.Archduke Otto was convinced that with differences set aside,all three believed in the same Creator and God.

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Whiskers on July 12, 2011, 12:16:20 PM
From the day of Archduke Otto's death until the day of Interment In the Kapuzinergruft.
How many places will Archduke Otto have lay In repose?..That has to be a fair few.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 12, 2011, 12:30:51 PM
Pöcking from the 5th to the 9th of july,Mariazell on july 12th and 13th,Vienna on july 14th to 16th.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 13, 2011, 12:45:10 AM
Mariazell,Austria yesterday,video:

http://www.kleinezeitung.at/allgemein/video/multimedia.do?action=showEntry_VideoDetail&project=462&id=159567

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 13, 2011, 08:37:11 AM
Requiem at the Basilica Mariazell this afternoon:


http://picture.belga.be/belgapicture/editorial/all/coverage/3274218.html

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 13, 2011, 03:42:08 PM
Requiem at the Basilica Mariazell this afternoon:


http://picture.belga.be/belgapicture/editorial/all/coverage/3274218.html



http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2011/07/otto-of-austria-honoured-with-all-titles.html

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2011/07/many-royals-expected-for-ottos-funeral.html

courtesy hja

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 13, 2011, 11:37:55 PM
I suggest that as this is the Habsburg Imperial Family thread, we observe the Habsburg Spanish Court Protocol
and refrain from posts other then concerning the passing of the Archduke Otto untill sunday july 17th after 19.00,
ECT,as would have been the case in public life in an Austria still under Habsburg rule.Thank you..you to Eric...

The Austrian Parliament passed a law just over a month ago,or rather got rid of one,in which Members of the House of Habsburg
were excluded from running for the office of President of Austria.Archduke Otto would have made a great President,maybe the best
they never had.


Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 14, 2011, 12:13:41 AM
Mariazel,Austria yesterday:

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16035934&pos=7

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 14, 2011, 01:45:39 AM
Link to Austrian national tv Station ORF2 for the funeral on saturday july 16th.

http://tvthek.orf.at/programs/2610757-Abschied-von-Otto-Habsburg/episodes/2622917-Abschied-von-Otto-Habsburg/2622919-Abschied-von-Otto-Habsburg

Requiem at the Basilica of Mariazell yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTtVfYpCsGU&feature=socblog_th



Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 14, 2011, 05:02:50 AM

Arrival of the remains at the Kapuziner church,Vienna where they will lie in repose in the Emperors Chapel ( Kaiserkapelle) of the church:

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16041231&pos=2

http://www.diepresse.com/home/politik/zeitgeschichte/677753/Habsburg_Saerge-in-Wiener-Kapuzinerkirche-eingetroffen

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 14, 2011, 06:20:41 AM

Arrival of the remains at the Kapuziner church,Vienna where they will lie in repose in the Emperors Chapel ( Kaiserkapelle) of the church:

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16041231&pos=2

http://www.diepresse.com/home/politik/zeitgeschichte/677753/Habsburg_Saerge-in-Wiener-Kapuzinerkirche-eingetroffen


http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16041291&pos=3

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16041296&pos=5

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16041308&pos=8

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16041252&pos=2

courtesy anp



Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 14, 2011, 01:44:25 PM
The Kaiserkapelle at the Kapuzinerkirche,Vienna today,a constant stream of people paying their last respects:

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16041515&pos=1

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=16041531&pos=2

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 14, 2011, 02:23:12 PM
Kapuziner church,Vienna:

http://www.austria.com/otto-habsburg-in-kapuzinerkirche-aufgebahrt/apa-1144578356
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 14, 2011, 03:16:05 PM
Kapuziner church,Vienna:

http://www.austria.com/otto-habsburg-in-kapuzinerkirche-aufgebahrt/apa-1144578356

The Casa Real announced that HRH Infanta Christina,Duchess of Palma will represent the Spanish Royal Family at the funeral in Vienna.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 14, 2011, 04:26:46 PM
People paying their last respects at the Emperors Chapel,Kapuziner church,Vienna:

http://www.kleinezeitung.at/multimedia.do?action=allgemein/video/multimedia.do&action=showEntry_VideoDetail&project=462&id=159639


Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 14, 2011, 11:23:22 PM
I suggest that as this is the Habsburg Imperial Family thread, we observe the Habsburg Spanish Court Protocol
and refrain from posts other then concerning the passing of the Archduke Otto untill sunday july 17th after 19.00,
ECT,as would have been the case in public life in an Austria still under Habsburg rule.Thank you..you too Eric...


The Prayers for the Dead were sung yesterday afternoon by the Bishop,Upper-Rabbi Steven Langnas of Munich and Bavaria,and the Great-Mufti of Sarajewo at the Kapuzinerchurch,Vienna.HI & RH had the strong believe that the three Faith with ArchfatherAbraham had more in common then issues that divided them.The Rabbi and the Great Mufti were friends of thr deceased.Thousands already payed their last respects to TI & RH at the Emperors Chapel in the Capuchin Church.

Kaiserkapelle,Kapuzinerkirche Vienna yesterday:

http://tvthek.orf.at/topics/Otto%20Habsburg%20ist%20tot/2634883-Heute-in-Oesterreich/segments/2635061-Otto-in-der-Kapuzinerkirche


Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 15, 2011, 05:57:09 AM
I suggest that as this is the Habsburg Imperial Family thread, we observe the Habsburg Spanish Court Protocol
and refrain from posts other then concerning the passing of the Archduke Otto untill sunday july 17th after 19.00,
ECT,as would have been the case in public life in an Austria still under Habsburg rule.Thank you..you too Eric...


The Prayers for the Dead were sung yesterday afternoon by the Bishop,Upper-Rabbi Steven Langnas of Munich and Bavaria,and the Great-Mufti of Sarajewo at the Kapuzinerchurch,Vienna.HI & RH had the strong believe that the three Faith with ArchfatherAbraham had more in common then issues that divided them.The Rabbi and the Great Mufti were friends of thr deceased.Thousands already payed their last respects to TI & RH at the Emperors Chapel in the Capuchin Church.

Kaiserkapelle,Kapuzinerkirche Vienna yesterday:

http://tvthek.orf.at/topics/Otto%20Habsburg%20ist%20tot/2634883-Heute-in-Oesterreich/segments/2635061-Otto-in-der-Kapuzinerkirche

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 15, 2011, 06:07:23 AM
HM King Mihai and his grandson Prince Nicolae will represent the Royal House of Romania,Vienna saturday july 16th.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 15, 2011, 09:56:08 AM
I suggest that as this is the Habsburg Imperial Family thread, we observe the Habsburg Spanish Court Protocol
and refrain from posts other then concerning the passing of the Archduke Otto untill sunday july 17th after 19.00,
ECT,as would have been the case in public life in an Austria still under Habsburg rule.Thank you..you to Eric...

Observe!Out of respect for the late Archduke Otto,I request all to refrain from posting other then in the Death and
funerary thread of Archduke Otto of Austria till sunday evening 19.00PM.Show some more respect for History,it is
not every day you witness the death and funeral of the Last Crown Prince of the Austrian - Hungarian Empire.....

Ladies in waiting should do what they are for...Wait.As would the Mitzi´s of this world.As would have beenn
the case had the Empire still be in tact. :)

That shouldn't be too difficult now would it!.Thank you.I´ve kindly requested this for the third time now.
Especially you CH...observe!No comment.

Impressions of the Requiem in Pòcking last saturday,most impressive I must say:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/otto_von_habsburg/sets/72157627035263831

The ceremony of the Ordre de la Legion d´Honneur at Pòcking:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/otto_von_habsburg/sets/72157627146366006

Images from the Requiem at the Theatinerkirche,Munich last monday:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/otto_von_habsburg/sets/72157627055864355

More pics from the Requiem at Mariazell earlyer this week,with the grandchildren doing the Readings:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/otto_von_habsburg





Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 15, 2011, 03:16:08 PM
In Memoriam HI & RH Archduke Otto:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LOzSIOPznQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2kVhSs5PpE&feature=related

In Hungarian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6nHsseS9A



Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 15, 2011, 03:44:59 PM
Capuchin church,Emperors chapel,mourners line up to pay their last respect,and the Orders of the late Archduke:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/korom/5940080655/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/korom/5940636218/in/set-72157627187363294/

The Capuchin church,lieying in repose of TI & RH Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina of Austria:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqacRZ3yj8E&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 15, 2011, 11:24:55 PM
Capuchin church,Emperors chapel,mourners line up to pay their last respect,and the Orders of the late Archduke:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/korom/5940080655/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/korom/5940636218/in/set-72157627187363294/

The Capuchin church,lieying in repose of TI & RH Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina of Austria:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqacRZ3yj8E&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1C-GXQ1LdY&feature=related

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 15, 2011, 11:40:29 PM
Link to Austrian national tv Station ORF2 for the funeral on saturday july 16th.

http://tvthek.orf.at/programs/2610757-Abschied-von-Otto-Habsburg/episodes/2622917-Abschied-von-Otto-Habsburg/2622919-Abschied-von-Otto-Habsburg


Link to LIVE coverage of the Requiem and funerary procession this afternoon.
The Requiem starts at 15.00PM CET,local time,GMT + 1,EST + 6.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 16, 2011, 12:12:01 AM
The list of Official guests is impressive,and well deserved as a farewell for Otto Archduke of Austria:

TM The King and Queen of Sweden
TRH The Grand Duke and Grand Duchess of Luxembourg
HRH Infanta Christina of Spain
TI & RH Prince Lorenz and Princess Astrid of Belgium,Archduke and Archduchess of Habsburg-Este
TSH Prince Hans-Adam and Princess Marie Aglaé of Liechtenstein
HMEH The Prince and Grand Master of the Order of Malta
TRH Prince and Princess Michael of Kent

The President of Austria
The President of Hungary
The President of Georgia

The Chancellor of Austria
The President of the European Parliament
The Prime Minister of Croatia
The Prime Minister of Macedonia
The Foreign Minister of the Czech republic:Prince Karl of  Schwartzenberg

King Mihai and Prince Georgi of Romania
Tsar Simeon of Bulgaria
TRH The Duke and Duchess of Parma and Piacenza
HRH Prince Jaime de Bourbon Parma
TRH The Duke and Duchess of Braganza
HIH Prince Asfa Wosen of Ethiopia

Members of the Austrian-Hungarian and German Nobility..

ao....

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 16, 2011, 02:22:20 AM
Another link to the LIVE coverage of the funeral today in case the link a few posts above do not work:

http://www.euronews.net/news/streaming-live/

Time of the Requiem:15.00PM local time,GMT + 1,EST + 6,PST + 9....i think..


Those who found their last resting place in the Imperial Crypt already:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1310719329.html

Courtesy Barbara D.,GB

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 16, 2011, 02:42:46 AM
Obituary in The Economist,warm,thruthfull,with a good view and knowledge of History,and thus recommended:

http://www.economist.com/node/18956124?story_id=18956124

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 16, 2011, 06:20:51 AM
Another link to the LIVE coverage of the funeral today in case the link a few posts above do not work:

http://www.euronews.net/news/streaming-live/

Time of the Requiem:15.00PM local time,GMT + 1,EST + 6,PST + 9....i think..


Those who found their last resting place in the Imperial Crypt already:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1310719329.html

Courtesy Barbara D.,GB




And another link in case the others don't work for some reason as seems to be the case around the globe as i had messages from Oz to California to Finland and closer too.

Try this one:

http://wien.orf.at/

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 16, 2011, 06:41:05 AM
This article also has a map of the funerary procession and extensive articles on the history of the Habsburgs and Austria:

http://www.kleinezeitung.at/nachrichten/chronik/habsburger/2787630/letztes-geleid-fuer-kaisersohn-otto.story

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 16, 2011, 08:46:34 AM

http://tvthek.orf.at/live/2609477

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 16, 2011, 10:15:49 AM

http://tvthek.orf.at/live/2609477



The gentleman in the Navy uniform of a Captain-Lieutenant of the German Navy is the eldest son of Gabriela Meister,néé Archduchess Gabriela of Austria,now living in Georgia and that countries ambassador to Germany.Severin Meister received special permission to attend the funeral in his German Navy uniform by the German Embassy in Vienna.He wears the pillow with the Golden Fleece,the Toison d'Or,of his late grandfather and walks ahead of the catafalc with his grandfathers remains.

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 16, 2011, 11:49:02 AM
Thank you for that info, Tim. I was wondering who he is.  Sadly, the live broadcast came to an abrupt end here,  just after the  doors were opened at the coffin admitted. I would have loved to have it, but understand the ceremony of internment  might be  sensitive.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: newfan on July 16, 2011, 11:54:20 AM
Just wondering was there any English tv that did this live also ?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 16, 2011, 11:56:39 AM
Thank you for that info, Tim. I was wondering who he is.  Sadly, the live broadcast came to an abrupt end here,  just after the  doors were opened at the coffin admitted. I would have loved to have it, but understand the ceremony of internment  might be  sensitive.

Uhh Tim?...it was me..Same here Robert,after the coffin was carried into the Crypt they went of the air,that was it.The ceremony
in the Crypt will be a private one by wish of the family.Understandeble,they have been in the spotlights for nearly a
fortnight since the demise of Archduke Otto.But glad you were able to follow all at all.A very moving Requiem and procession,
the Guards of the Austrian Armed Forces,the Historical Societies of Schützen and Imperial Lifeguards,the gun salute at the Heldenplatz
by the another Historical Society of Schützen safeguarding the times of the Monarchy and keeping alive its traditions,beautifull,and moving,
it was so moving,all of it.And the thousands that thronged the streets of Vienna,marvellous,a truly fitting farewell for the last Crown Prince.

The singing of the old Imperial Anthem in the Dom,all,except Austrian Pressident Heinz Fischer sang along,nor did the Austrain Chancellor...
everybody else did,including HM Queen Silvia of Sweden and TSH Prince Hans Adam and Princess Marie-Aglaé of Liechtenstein,all.

Heartwarming,and what a fitting farewell.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Rani on July 16, 2011, 12:58:16 PM
Just impressive! And it´s nice to see the huge respect towards him.

Archduke Felix wasn´t there?
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Whiskers on July 16, 2011, 01:21:34 PM
Archduke Otto of Habsburg In life was an honorable man, and the mass In the Stephansdom was befitting his position, beliefs & convictions.
It was truly excellent.

As a side my family originally comes from Wien.
The parade through the streets I'm not saying much about It, disappointed Is what comes to mind very disappointing.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 16, 2011, 02:08:22 PM
Why do you say that, Whiskers ? I have been to Vienna and the  crypt. I thought the procession, although a bit theatrical was impressive. I also doubt the numbers of observers, but, be that as it may, a well deserved  sendoff.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Whiskers on July 16, 2011, 04:19:54 PM
How can I put this, from your point of view yourself and others. You are looking at the parade from the outside In, and I agree It was a good sendoff as sendoffs go. To that extent.

But that was not a good sendoff, it was more of a humiliation, and the Government: Of The Republic Of Austria are to blame for that.

Just for a moment take a step back, and go look at the parade again, and you'll see what I'm taking about.

As said yourself and others are looking from an outside In prospective,
we are looking from an Inside out prospective, take In that whatever you want.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 16, 2011, 05:38:54 PM
Just impressive! And it´s nice to see the huge respect towards him.

Archduke Felix wasn´t there?

Archduke Felix lives in Mexico and wasn't in a condition to travel that far.


Vienna today:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=16-07-2011%20Vienna

courtesy ppe

Tomorrow sunday 17th will see the last of the five Requiems,at the Cathedral in Budapest,after which the
Heart of Archduke Otto will be interred at the Benedictine Abbey of Pannonhalma with only the immediate family in attendance.

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Rani on July 17, 2011, 05:52:50 AM
Thanks Lucien!

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 17, 2011, 06:35:13 AM
Thanks Lucien!



Always welcome,Rani...;)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14172091

Impressive photos:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14174147



Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: violetta on July 17, 2011, 01:20:22 PM
some more photoes of the funeral, source -Gazeta Wyborcza

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/ottovonhabsburg1.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/ottovonhabsburg2.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/ottovonhabsburg3.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/ottovonhabsburg4.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/ottovonhabsburg5.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: violetta on July 17, 2011, 01:24:39 PM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/ottovonhabsburg6.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/ottovonhabsburg7.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/ottovonhabsburg8.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 18, 2011, 12:02:48 AM
Thank you Violetta!

The Urn with the heart of Archduke Otto was interred at the Benedictine Abbey of Pannonhalma,Huingary,yesterday,
after a Requiem at the Basilica of St.Stephan,Budapest.It was a simple service at Pannonhalma without the pomp of
Vienna last saturday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14180951

There will be a Requiem held at the Capuchin church,Vienna this evening at 18.00PM,monday july 18th,by all the Historical Societies
that took part in last weeks funeral to honour the deceased,and ofcourse everyone else can attend.

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 18, 2011, 02:16:21 AM
The Requiem at St.Stephan Basilica,Budapest yesterday.The Imperial family as well as the Aristocracy of Hungary were in attendance,
as was Princess Michael of Kent,born as Marie-Christine Reibnitz in what was known as Sudetenland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feauture=player_embedded&v=OEnitPx6Sv0

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 18, 2011, 08:39:00 AM
The Requiem at the Stephans Dom,Vienna last saturday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtBwVTdjbbY&feature=related

The Old Imperial Hymne:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXzvMF7Dx6g&NR=1

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 20, 2011, 12:40:36 AM
More:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14181800

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=16-07-2011%20Vienna

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2011/07/princess-michael-habsburg-mass-uplifting.html

courtesy hja

Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Alexander1917 on July 22, 2011, 08:50:09 AM
the complete ORF broadcast is online


part1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn-O36v1wVw


part2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OIJ1UHMano&feature=related
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 23, 2011, 03:36:52 AM
the complete ORF broadcast is online


part1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn-O36v1wVw


part2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OIJ1UHMano&feature=related

Thank you Alexander.
Title: Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on November 19, 2011, 04:43:17 AM
Holy Mass will be celebrated in honour of the 99th birthday of the late Archduke Otto at
the Cross Chapel of the St.Michaels Church Munich,at 19.00PM local time on sunday november 20th.
Title: HI & RH Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on June 26, 2012, 10:34:09 PM

There will be a Holy Mass at the Kapuziner church,Vienna on wednesday july 4th at 19.00PM in honour of the late Archduke Otto.
Title: HI & RH Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: Lucien on July 03, 2012, 01:01:44 AM

There will be a Holy Mass at the Kapuziner church,Vienna on wednesday july 4th at 19.00PM in honour of the late Archduke Otto.

There also will be a Mass at Pöcking on thursday july 5th.

Tomorrow,july 4th,is the 1st anniversary of the passing away of Crown Prince Otto of Austria.

http://www.ottovonhabsburg.org/index.asp?lang=en





Title: Re: HI & RH Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on July 03, 2012, 05:57:56 AM

There will be a Holy Mass at the Kapuziner church,Vienna on wednesday july 4th at 19.00PM in honour of the late Archduke Otto.

There also will be a Mass at Pöcking on thursday july 5th.

Tomorrow,july 4th,is the 1st anniversary of the passing away of Crown Prince Otto of Austria.

http://www.ottovonhabsburg.org/index.asp?lang=en

  A year!  How quickly the time has passed!     AP.