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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Wittlesbachs => Topic started by: Christopher on December 11, 2005, 11:21:31 AM

Title: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Christopher on December 11, 2005, 11:21:31 AM
He had several daughters, Sophie and Ludovika in particular who are well known and were interesting women. I would like to know more about his other daughters in particular Auguste, who married Napoleon's stepson, Elisabeth, Queen of Prussia, and Amalie, Queen of Saxony.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Bernardino on December 11, 2005, 12:44:16 PM
Hello...

Pss Elisabeth of Bavaria was one of the last Catholic royals to change her religion...After some years of marrige to the Prussian King she became Evangelic in 1830 (I believe I'm correct about the date, but I'll check it...though I'm almost sure)...The source was Almanach de Gotha...

Bernardino
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 11, 2005, 03:40:48 PM
Maximilian's daughters

First wife Auguste of Hessen - Darmstadt (1765-1796)

- Auguste Amalie (1788-1851)

- Amalie (1790-1794)

- Charlotte "Caroline" Auguste (1792-1873)

Second wife Caroline Friederike of Baden (1776-1841)

- Amalie Auguste (1801-1877)

- Elisabeth (1801-1873)

- Sophie Friederike (1805-1872)

- Maria Anna Leopoldine (Marie) (1805-1877)

- Ludovica Wilhelmine (Louise) (1808-1892)

- Caroline Maximiliane Josepha (Ni) (1810-1821)

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/wittelsbach/bavariakings/1810%20Maximiliane.JPG)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Marc on December 11, 2005, 05:40:37 PM
Are there any portraits of them?It would be great...
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: crazy_wing on December 11, 2005, 07:30:38 PM
There are many portraits of the beautiful Bavarian Princesses :)

Elisabeth, Queen of Prussia, nicknamed Elise

Elisabeth and her sisters were tutored by Friedrich Thiersch, an archaeologist and former theologian.  He taught them literature, history and geography.  She had a wonderful childhood with her sisters in Nymphenburg and Tegernsee.

The marriage between Elisabeth and Friedrich Wilhelm IV was a love match.  They met in Baden-Baden where her family was visiting its health spa.  It is very clear why FWIV fell for Elisabeth, who was very beautiful with wonderful eyes.  However, Elisabeth did not want to convert for the sake of marriage.  She wanted to be committed and so it took her 4 years before she converted and married.  

Elisabeth was said to be very political influential.

"After the revolution of March 1848 her husband, king Friedrich Wilhelm IV, never really recovered, and she became his closest advisor. After he suffered several strokes, she arranged that her brother-in-law, Prince Wilhelm, became regent. He was a liberal and reformist polititian and the party around General Leopold von Gerlach got the idea to name the Queen regent, but she refused. They had no children and when her husband died in 1861, Wilhelm became king. She spend the rest of her life traveling through Europe, and lived (1801-73)."   From www.guide2womenleaders.com

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/QueenElisabethneeBavaria.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/QueenElisabethneeBavariabyKarlWilhe.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/QueenElisabethneeBavaria1824.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: crazy_wing on December 11, 2005, 07:40:43 PM
Karoline Auguste, Empress of Austria.

She married twice, first to King of Wurttemburg and then Francis I of Austria.  Napoleon considered her before marrying Marie Louise but didn't find her attractive enough.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/KarolineAuguste.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/EmpressCarolinaAugusta.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: crazy_wing on December 11, 2005, 07:48:54 PM
August Amelie, Duchess of Leuchtenburg

She was often praised as being loyal to her husband even after the fall of Napoleon.  

Originally, she was engaged to the Prince of Baden (who later married Stephanie Beauharnais) but Napoleon forced the families to break it off so his wife's niece could marry the Prince of Baden and his stepson could marry Auguste.  When Napoleon met Max I of Bavaria to discuss the marriage arrangements, Max thought Napoleon wanted to marry Auguste and so, had her vieled to hide her pretty face.   The marriage between Eugene and Auguste ended up to be a happy one.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/AugusteAmelie.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/AugustaneeBavaria.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/AugustaneeBavaria2.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: crazy_wing on December 11, 2005, 07:50:28 PM
The daughters of Max married the Kings of Prussia & Saxony and Emperor of Austria.  They helped to keep the relations between these three rising states smooth.  

Marianne, Sophie and Ludovika

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/MarianneSophieandLudovica.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 12, 2005, 10:05:54 AM
Empress Karoline Auguste of Austria was known in her family as Charlotte before her marriage to the Austrian Emperor ;D
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Linnea on December 12, 2005, 11:20:25 AM
The cenotaph pf Princess Maximiliane Caroline ("Ni") of Bavaria, the youngest daughter of King Max I.

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-countries/germany/munich/theatinerkirche/C.JPG)
(the inscription: Much loved and dearly mourned by parents and sibblings)

She was the favourite daughter of her mother, who would never be able to overcome her death in 1821. The princess got ill in early 1821 after a theatrical performance and died soonly after.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 12, 2005, 09:27:48 PM
The mother to these daughters was quite interesting herself. She was an opponent to Naopleon, but yet the Emperor sought her out and charm her with his manners and lovely French porceline... ;)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Daniela on December 13, 2005, 04:05:04 AM
(http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs/elisabethbavaria1801.jpg)
Elisabeth, Queen of Prussia

This painting was done by a artist named Sophie Hartz. QE was probably visiting school, what do you think?

Daniela

Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: crazy_wing on December 13, 2005, 04:08:30 AM
Yup, Elise is visiting a elementary school in the painting.  
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: crazy_wing on December 13, 2005, 04:14:01 AM
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I think it would be nice to know more about the Saxony sisters who married two brothers... :)


Have been digging around for more info about them but have not been successful  :(

Here are some pictures of Marie Anne

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/MariaAnnaQueenofSaxonywifeofFriedri.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/QueenMarieAnneneeBavaria2.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/QueenMarieAnneneeBavaria.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Daniela on December 13, 2005, 04:31:23 AM
(http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs12/amaliebavaria1801.jpg)

(http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs12/amaliebavaria1801-2.jpg)

Amalie Auguste, Queen of Saxony
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: crazy_wing on December 13, 2005, 04:40:44 AM
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The daughters of Max married the Kings of Prussia & Saxony and Emperor of Austria.  They helped to keep the relations between these three rising states smooth.  


In 1849 a revolution broke out in Saxony, forcing Frederick Augustus II (Marie Anne's husband) to flee to Konigstein fortress.   The May Uprising was crushed by Saxon and Prussian troops and Frederick was able to return after only a few days.  This clearly shows the close relationships between the two states and I am pretty sure the sisters played a great part in helping to crush the rebels.  

The sisters were always close, and later Bismark complained about the family politics of "the Wittelsbach aunts".  
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 13, 2005, 06:01:56 AM
Yes...That is good. Since one is married to a younger man and had a lot of children, while to other married a widower  and had no children. Glad no jealousy arosed like Empress Caroline Augusta and Archduchess Sophie.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Daniela on December 13, 2005, 06:18:47 AM
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Glad no jealousy arosed like Empress Caroline Augusta and Archduchess Sophie.


Didn't they get along?

Daniela
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 13, 2005, 11:03:25 AM
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(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/QueenMarieAnneneeBavaria2.jpg)


This woman is actually Amalie or her twin sister Elisabeth of Prussia.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Marc on December 13, 2005, 03:41:46 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/SophBayern1.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Marc on December 13, 2005, 03:43:04 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/SophBayern.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Marc on December 13, 2005, 03:44:32 PM
Two more portraits of Sophie von  Bayern,mother of Franz Joseph!
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 13, 2005, 06:31:15 PM
Thanks for the Portraits of Archduchess Sophie.  ;)

No after Franz Josef became Emperor, Archduchess Sophie forbid her son to allow her half-sister, Empress Caroline Augusta (who settled in Salzburg) to come to Vienna often, since she does not want to be constantly reminded that although she was the mother of the Emperor, she was "only" an Archduchess in rank. That created ill-feelings since Empress Caroline Augusta missed her stepchildren very much anfd hoped to stay in touch.  :(
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: crazy_wing on December 13, 2005, 07:18:20 PM
two more portraits of Sophie.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/SophieFJsMother2.jpg)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crazy_wing/FrederickeSophieErzherzoginvonBayer.jpg)  
This one is said to be by F. Winterhalter
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 14, 2005, 12:03:50 AM
Really it doesn't look like that to me...maybe just a sketch not a completed portrait.  :o
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: dboro on December 14, 2005, 11:35:18 AM
I'll look after the Winterhalter-problem.
By the way, here are some more portraits of Archduchess Sophie:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/s661861a.jpg)

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/franzjosef5.jpg)
with Franz joseph... :)

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/sophiek.jpg)
in 1869
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: cimbrio on December 14, 2005, 03:13:55 PM
Thanks for all the portraits, there are many more than I would have thought at first!

In a Sissi bio, written by a Spanish author and recently published, it says that Ludovika was a real matchmaker; this is reinforced by another writer in his bio of Ludwig II and by the fact that out of her daughters, one became Empress, one Queen, one Duchess and one Countess, not to mention the fact that Sophie Charlotte almost became Queen while her engagement to her cousin Ludwig of Bavaria lasted. I'd like to know if Ludovika's mother, Karoline Friedricke Wilhelmine was a devoted matchmaker too? If her daughters became Queens, Archduchess, etc, I'm inclined to think she was a matchmaker too... What was the exact illness that led Maximiliane (1810-1821) to the grave? And does anyone know why the eldest son (of Maximilian I's and Karoline) died so young? I mena which exatc illness. What was the relationship between the sisters? I find it amusing that there were twos ets of twins :)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: crazy_wing on December 15, 2005, 02:36:09 AM
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Really it doesn't look like that to me...maybe just a sketch not a completed portrait.  :o

I know it is hard to believe but it is signed F. Winterhalter at the bottom.  (Sorry I don't have a bigger copy right now where you can see the signature more clearly.  It was auctionned off at Christies a few months ago.)

Ludovica was an ambitious mother.  The fact that one of her daughters (sisi) became Empress made it easier for her to marry off her other daughters.  

Although Ludovica's mother (and/or father) was a great matchmaker, Ludovica unfortunately made an unillustrious marriage.  
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2005, 06:49:28 AM
I think there is an element of planning in her daughter's marriages, but I think Sophie Charlotte's is more of a love match. The matchmaker there was Empress Caroline Augusta and Princess Clementine of Coburg. ;D
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 15, 2005, 01:03:42 PM
Princess Clémentine? I thought of Ludovica's sister Maria Anna of Saxony and of Caroline Auguste, of course.

Here is a coloured portrait of Queen Marie of Saxony ...

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/marie07.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2005, 07:56:33 PM
I love it too...Thanks !  :)

Yes Princess Clementine ! The Duke of Alencon's grandmother, his mother Victorie was her daughter.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: crazy_wing on December 16, 2005, 02:07:17 AM
No, Clementine was Victoire's sister in law.   Victoire married Clementine's brother while Clementine married Victoire's brother.  
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 16, 2005, 10:01:11 AM
Yes you are right, that made Clementine Duke of Alencon's Aunt.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: thijs on December 16, 2005, 11:44:41 AM
Auguste Wilhelmine von Zweibrucken married to Max Joseph, with her children Ludwig l and Auguste Amalie (married later the stephson of Napoleon, Eugen Beauharnais)

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/bernogreat/Afbeelding058.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 19, 2005, 04:25:52 AM
Maximilian, Caroline's son, died of meningitis. In 1799 she had a stillborn son, too.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Marc on December 19, 2005, 07:07:49 AM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/Lud2.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Marc on December 19, 2005, 07:09:23 AM
Here is one in colour...I don't think it is a crop,but it is the same pose as in the painting with her husband...
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 19, 2005, 08:58:08 AM
I think it is the same pose too...could be painted around the same time.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 20, 2005, 04:16:41 AM
This portait was painted shortly before their marriage in September 1828 in Tegernsee, because its title is "Duke Max in Bavaria and Princess Louise of Bavaria".

In the background of this portrait you can see the Castle of Tegernsee.

Has anybody ever been to the Church St. Quirinus in Tegernsee? There are four memory plates of the weddings of Max/Ludovica and Amelie/Wilhelm Urach, one is dedicated to Queen Caroline and the other one to King Max I. Very nice.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 22, 2005, 05:12:15 AM
They are very interesting to read, for example there is a list of every single person who attended to Ludovica's wedding.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: augusta on February 16, 2006, 07:28:01 AM
 Princess Amalie Auguste of Bavaria by Joseph Stieler.

Later Queen of Saxony. Queen Elisabeth of Prussia's twin sister.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/augusta3/amalie-auguste.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 16, 2006, 09:05:29 AM
Elisabeth (Elise), Amalie Auguste's twin-sister, and her husband Friedrich Wilhelm of Prussia.

(http://home.arcor.de/ciolla/preussen_friedrich_elise.jpg)


This box was a present of "Louis, Auguste, Charlotte, Charles, Elise, Amélie, Sophie, Marie, Louise, Caroline" to their father Maximilian I. on October 12th 1816.

(http://home.arcor.de/ciolla/007.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 21, 2006, 07:08:47 AM
This portrait of Amalie Auguste can be seen in lots of German books, for example "König Johann - Zwischen zwei Welten". It was painted by Joseph Karl Stieler in 1823. In the background you can see the Tegernsee and parts of Rottach-Egern (for example the church St. Laurentius). When Amalie married Johann, she took this portrait with her, because she loved the area around Tegernsee, where she spent a lot of time during her childhood.

Here are some photographs of Amalie Auguste in her later years:

(http://home.arcor.de/ciolla/amalie04.jpg)

(http://home.arcor.de/ciolla/amalie07.jpg)

(http://home.arcor.de/ciolla/amalie08.jpg)


(http://home.arcor.de/ciolla/familie14.jpg)

Amalie Auguste is sitting in the carriage with her grandchildren Maria Josepha, Max and Albert.
Marie, Amalie's sister, is standing on the balcony.

Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Marc on February 21, 2006, 07:19:10 AM
Great pictures!I always wondered why there are a lot of infos about Saxony Electorate(Kings of Poland) and not so much of Saxony as the kingdom,so thanks Marie Charlotte!
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 21, 2006, 08:54:41 AM
Thanks for the info ! There was a gap before Luise of Tuscany came along with her bio, and even that was heavily bised ! Is there  books to buy for the House of Saxony and the two sisters ? I need to finish my research on the two sisters of Saxony. (I got Ludovika, Elise, Sophie covered pretty well but not the others).
Title: Portraits of Marie Anna Leopoldine, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Princess Susan on September 07, 2007, 05:26:57 PM
I search about pictures of Marie Anna- daughter of King Maximilian I. of Bavaria, and sister- twin of Archduchess Sophia.
I've never seen any of her pictures except for one, where she was with sister Sophie.
So, would be brilliant, if someone has pictures of her and can post it. ;)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 09, 2007, 09:33:17 PM
Hard...As they were constanly being mistaken for each other.  :(
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Princess Susan on September 10, 2007, 07:28:09 AM
So, it's pity...Actually I remember 2 pictures-on both of them she was with her twin Sophie.
On one of them she was a young little girl and on another older woman.
But I've never seen her own portrait. It could be interesting to see her when she was around 25 years old.
Sophie was quite pretty as a young woman. So I wonder whether Marie Anna had same image in dressing and making
her hair as her sister.

By the way does anybody know why she was married so late? She married Frederik Augustus II. of Saxony in 1833, when she was 28,
but her sisters were much younger, when they married. Why her parents didn't marry her earlier like her sisters?
Also her younger sister Ludovika was married earlier then she, just in 1828, when she was 20.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 10, 2007, 08:12:27 PM
Ludovika was betrothed in the cradle with her cousin Max. Her sisters had political marriages. However I read that the family life was so happy that most do not want to leave home. It may explain why some married later than others.  :)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Princess Susan on September 12, 2007, 07:52:00 AM
And maybe only her mother Queen Karoline wanted to keep one of her daughters at home longer time, because her husband died in 1825.
So, she would become very lonely without any children. Therefore Marie stayed with her so long.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 12, 2007, 08:28:55 PM
Perhaps, but also Ludovika spent a lot of time with her mother (since she did not marry aboard), even Max got along well with his mother-in-law.  :)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 13, 2007, 07:48:30 AM
Perhaps, but also Ludovika spent a lot of time with her mother (since she did not marry aboard), even Max got along well with his mother-in-law.  :)

No, Max didn't like his mother-in-law at all. Just one example: Whenever one of her daughters gave birth to a child, Caroline usually was with her. But Max didn't allow Caroline to support Ludovica.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 13, 2007, 10:59:19 AM
Princess Susan, here are some pictures of Maria Anna (Marie) Queen of Saxony, née Princess of Bavaria and twin sister of Archduchess Sophie:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/marie.jpg)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/marie01.jpg)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/marie10.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Princess Susan on September 13, 2007, 03:09:36 PM
Thanks MarieCharlotte for pictures. I see obvious resemblance between Marie and Sophie especially on second picture, if I compare Sophie's portrait by Joseph Stieler. And also as a older ladies had similar image, how can see on third picture.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 13, 2007, 11:51:09 PM
I got the third image too for years thought it was the "other" Saxon sister... :(
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 15, 2007, 05:55:28 AM
I got the third image too for years thought it was the "other" Saxon sister... :(

You thought of Amalie? No, on this picture we see Marie. That's for sure. :-)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 16, 2007, 09:37:03 PM
That or Archduchess Sophie... :(
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 20, 2007, 11:44:30 AM
That or Archduchess Sophie... :(

I can't explain it, but I think that I can differentiate between Sophie and her twin Marie. Maybe I've seen to many pics of the Archduchess. ;-)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 21, 2007, 03:27:03 AM
Perhaps...but they do look similar. The odd lady out was Ludovika... :)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Silja on September 22, 2007, 02:58:45 PM
That or Archduchess Sophie... :(

I can't explain it, but I think that I can differentiate between Sophie and her twin Marie. Maybe I've seen to many pics of the Archduchess. ;-)

So can I. Although they were identical twins I don't think they look totally alike.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: synnadene on September 23, 2007, 02:21:49 AM

Queen Maria Anna of Saxony with her husband

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/Synnadene/MariaAnnaLeopoldine.jpg)

Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 24, 2007, 04:16:01 AM
I wonder if her marriage was happy ?  ???
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on October 25, 2008, 04:49:18 AM
Portrait of Karoline Auguste, Empress of Austria.

(http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/43104/2300233800061759156S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 25, 2008, 12:02:33 PM
I think it is an "idealised" portrait of her. Her sister who married Eugene, stepson of Napoleon was the beauty.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Linnea on October 26, 2008, 08:03:01 AM
Indeed. Napoleon considered the idea of marrying her once but quickly changed his mind after seeing the princess.
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 26, 2008, 02:30:32 PM
Poor Charlotte ! After she "married" the crown prince of Wuttemburg, he would not even touch her finger while they were in the same coach togather...
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: beladona on April 25, 2009, 02:20:48 PM
I think it is an "idealised" portrait of her. Her sister who married Eugene, stepson of Napoleon was the beauty.

Yes, it is sad, that Auguste Amalia (or Amalia Augusta) was great beauty, but I know only one picture of her:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Auguste_Amalia_Ludovika_von_Bayern1.jpg)

Are there any others?
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 25, 2009, 04:35:34 PM

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auguste02.jpg)

Princess Auguste in front of the Pagodenburg

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auguste06.jpg)

Auguste by Stieler, 1824/25

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auguste05.jpg)

Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 25, 2009, 04:37:50 PM

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auguste_hochzeit.jpg)

Wedding of Auguste and Eugène, 1806 (Max I. and Caroline as well as Napoléon and Joséphine are also in the painting)

Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 25, 2009, 04:40:55 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auguste_august01.jpg)

Auguste and her eldest son August


(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auguste_kinder01.jpg)

Auguste's children Joséphine, Eugénie, August, Amélie and Theodelinde by Stieler (the original can be found in King Max I.'s former bedroom in the Residenz, Munich)
Title: Re: Daughters of Maximilian I of Bavaria
Post by: beladona on April 25, 2009, 05:00:16 PM
nice pictures MarieCHarlotte, thanks!!
Especially thisone,
 
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auguste_august01.jpg)

it is the same pose like her half sister Sophia:
(http://www.schoenbrunn.at/uploads/tx_extmarginimages/Sophie_FranzJoseph_02.jpg)
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Post by: Veronica on April 25, 2009, 05:03:58 PM

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auguste05.jpg)


I have seen the woman in this portrait identified as Auguste's daughter, Amelie of Leuchtenberg, empress of Brazil... I never thought it could be her mother Auguste, but come to think of it, the dress looks more like fashion of early 1800's rather than 1830's when Amelie was a young woman. So I guess it was misidentified.
Great pictures by the way!
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 25, 2009, 06:11:16 PM
I have seen the woman in this portrait identified as Auguste's daughter, Amelie of Leuchtenberg, empress of Brazil... I never thought it could be her mother Auguste, but come to think of it, the dress looks more like fashion of early 1800's rather than 1830's when Amelie was a young woman. So I guess it was misidentified.
Great pictures by the way!

I found it in the marvellous book "Die Herzen der Leuchtenberger" (means "The Leuchtenbergs' Hearts") by Adalbert Prince of Bavaria. He is a family member and identified her as Auguste, so I guess he's right.
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Post by: Linnea on April 26, 2009, 04:30:16 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auguste_august01.jpg)

Auguste and her eldest son August

That's not Auguste but Queen Pauline of Württemberg with her son Karl by Stieler.
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 26, 2009, 05:00:08 AM
@ Linnea: Really? Prince Adalbert misidentified one of his family members? I'm shocked... :-)
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Post by: gogm on April 26, 2009, 05:20:53 AM

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auguste02.jpg)

Princess Auguste in front of the Pagodenburg

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auguste06.jpg)

Auguste by Stieler, 1824/25

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auguste05.jpg)

If possible, please advise who painted the third image and when it was painted. It does not look like a portrait by Stieler.


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Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 26, 2009, 05:59:20 AM
If possible, please advise who painted the third image and when it was painted. It does not look like a portrait by Stieler.

Joseph Karl Stieler, 1840
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Post by: Agneschen on April 26, 2009, 06:44:50 AM
Eugène & Auguste's 3 eldest children by Henriette Urlaub :
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/agnessa/Royalty/th_EugenieAugustJosephineLeuchtenberg.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/agnessa/Royalty/EugenieAugustJosephineLeuchtenberg.jpg)
(from left to right : Eugenie, August, Josephine)
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Post by: Linnea on April 26, 2009, 01:30:28 PM
@ MarieCharlotte: Oh, it can happen to the best of us.
The painting was made about 1825. Poor Pauline was terrified when Stieler at first wanted to paint the baby naked as he had the idea to show mother and son as Maria and Jesus. She replied to him rather furiosly that motifs like that might be alright for catholics (the Wittelsbachs and Habsburgs) but certainly not for her as a protestant! 
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Post by: Linnea on April 26, 2009, 02:04:11 PM
The cradle of Princess Joséphine as seen in Malmaison this spring. It was presented to her parents by the town of Milan to celebrate the occation of her birth in early 1807.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/linnea12/Paris189.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/linnea12/Paris188.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on April 27, 2009, 03:32:13 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/auguste.jpg)

Auguste by Stieler
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Post by: Veronica on April 27, 2009, 03:44:53 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auguste_august01.jpg)

Auguste and her eldest son August

That's not Auguste but Queen Pauline of Württemberg with her son Karl by Stieler.

In colour, Queen Pauline and son

(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/6734/paulinewurttembergstiel.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on August 14, 2010, 02:00:04 PM
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/2228.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 14, 2010, 03:52:42 PM
Caroline

(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9527/493pxkarolineaugustevon.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 14, 2010, 10:48:18 PM
Caroline Augusta, who was named Charlotte before her marriage.