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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Habsburgs => Topic started by: Christopher on December 13, 2005, 01:57:20 PM

Title: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: Christopher on December 13, 2005, 01:57:20 PM
pleaase post any information and portraits of Empress Maria Theresa's mother
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: seriya on December 13, 2005, 07:45:13 PM
As a young, she was a really great great beauty.
but I have a this one.
Elisabeth Christine as old age...
(http://photo.blueweb.co.kr/photo/data/seriya/seriya0/photo/051214104115175.jpg)
(http://photo.blueweb.co.kr/photo/data/seriya/seriya0/photo/051214104223381.jpg)
so sad....hum..
Does anyone have a good picture of her?
especially as she was young...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: Bernardino on December 14, 2005, 10:51:48 AM
Raised a protestant, she was 'converted' to Catholicism by her grand-father Duke Anton Ulrich (who had auto-converted to Catholicism) in order to marry Charles VI...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 14, 2005, 11:08:51 AM
Yes after the equally beautiful Caroline of Anspach (later Queen of England) turn Archduke Charles down flat because she wanted to remain a protestant... ;D
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: Marc on December 14, 2005, 11:09:58 AM
I read that she often had some disagreements with her sister in law Empress Amalia Wilhelmine,wife of Joseph I,about court position...and precedance!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: Bernardino on December 14, 2005, 11:10:31 AM
  Better to Elisabeth Christine  ;) ...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: dboro on December 14, 2005, 12:24:42 PM
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In the last one she looks younger!Have some more portraits of her?


Of course I have!
A VERY VERY BAD QUALITY one  ;D  ;D

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/corvey.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: dboro on December 14, 2005, 12:27:41 PM
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She was very beautiful as a young woman.


(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/ec1.jpg)

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/lny.jpg)

And this state we already know...  :)

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/ecxy.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: Marc on December 14, 2005, 04:23:27 PM
Thanks!Are there good colour portraits of her ''rival'' Empress Wilhelmine Amalie,widow of Emperor Joseph I(brother of Karl VI)?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: dboro on December 15, 2005, 06:49:29 AM
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Thanks!Are there good colour portraits of her ''rival'' Empress Wilhelmine Amalie,widow of Emperor Joseph I(brother of Karl VI)?


Sorry, Marc, I've found only these...  :(
If my scanner worked, I would scan a better reproduction of the wedding feast from Hamann's "Die Habsburger". Maybe I'll akk a friend.

Wilhelmine Amalie in 1735 by Friedrich Stampert:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/wa2.jpg)

Maria Theresa's and Franz Stefan's wedding feast by Nikolaus Bruno Bellan & Martin Mytens der Aeltere:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/mt.jpg)

on the left there is also Wilhelmine Amalie:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/wa.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2005, 06:54:41 AM
Interestingly Wilhelmine Amalia was a Princess of Hanover, and therefore a cousin of George II. I don't think anyone pick up that yet... ;D
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: trentk80 on December 15, 2005, 11:04:23 AM
Yes, and it's curious that Wilhelmine Amalia also descended from the Stuarts, as her mother Benedikte Henriette of the Palatinate was a great-granddaughter of King James I of England. So she was doubly related to England's Hannoverian monarchs.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2005, 12:17:30 PM
So her daughters who married into the Saxon and Bavarian Royal Houses also carried Suart and Hannoverian bloodlines into their family. Especially her grandaughter, Marie Josephe, who married the French Dauphin (who was a decendent of Minette).
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: britt.25 on March 13, 2006, 04:33:06 AM
Has anyone found a picture of Luise von Öttingen, grandmother of the empress Maria Theresia???

Thanks for information or even posting ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: crotalo on March 19, 2006, 05:30:41 AM
 (http://fotos.miarroba.com/thumb/21444729E72C441D413E2F441D40F0.jpg)  (http://album.miarroba.com/sarolte/0/78/)

Eliz Christine statue
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: crotalo on March 19, 2006, 05:32:02 AM
 (http://fotos.miarroba.com/thumb/2444472A4427441D419C32441D414D.jpg)  (http://album.miarroba.com/sarolte/0/79/)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: crotalo on March 19, 2006, 05:38:32 AM
 (http://fotos.miarroba.com/thumb/1F44472B9E2D441D42F82D441D42A7.jpg)  (http://album.miarroba.com/sarolte/0/81/)

Walkiria she was!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: crotalo on March 19, 2006, 05:41:31 AM
 (http://fotos.miarroba.com/thumb/2744472C512E441D43AD2C441D435A.jpg)  (http://album.miarroba.com/sarolte/0/83/)

Elizabeth Christine of Brunswick (Braunsweich)-Wolfenbütel
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: crotalo on March 19, 2006, 05:44:29 AM
It seems there is a little confusion with Amalia wilhelmina Habsbourg and Amalia wilhelmina of Br. Lüneberg, both empresses.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: trentk80 on March 19, 2006, 09:30:13 AM
As far as I know, there is only one Empress called Amalia Wilhelmine, born Princess of Brunswick-Luneburg (Hannover) and wife of Emperor Joseph I.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: crotalo on March 20, 2006, 05:47:22 AM
Joseph I and Amalia Wilhelmine had two surviving daughters. One of them, Amalia Wilhelmine, married Charles VII, proclamed Holy Roman Emperor. During the War Succession, Charles VII Wittelsbach was HRE, as his wife, and M Theresa was not Holy Roman Empress until she married F. de Lorraine, for being a woman. M.T.was quenn of Bohemia and hungary and Archduchess of Austria. this lasted few time, but the bavarian claimers were elected and proclamed.
(look at the crowns at her right: electoral and empire)
(http://fotos.miarroba.com/thumb/2444487EE525441E964D20441E95EE.jpg)  (http://album.miarroba.com/sarolte/0/95/)


Maria amalia Wilhelmina of Habsburg, electress of Bavaria, archduchess of Austria, Holy Roman Empress, daughter of Joseph I and Amalia of Brunswick-Luneburg
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: crotalo on March 20, 2006, 05:48:20 AM
 (http://fotos.miarroba.com/thumb/2644487F9B28441E970422441E96A4.jpg)  (http://album.miarroba.com/sarolte/0/96/)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 20, 2006, 06:38:40 AM
I do wonder how was the relationship between the 3 Empresses in Vienna...?  ???
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 20, 2006, 06:45:08 AM
Did they get along..?  ???
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: Marc on March 20, 2006, 07:14:22 AM
Mother and daughter or...?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 20, 2006, 07:30:53 AM
Mother, Daughter and Aunt...3 Empresses...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: trentk80 on March 20, 2006, 10:54:30 AM
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Joseph I and Amalia Wilhelmine had two surviving daughters. One of them, Amalia Wilhelmine, married Charles VII, proclamed Holy Roman Emperor. During the War Succession, Charles VII Wittelsbach was HRE, as his wife, and M Theresa was not Holy Roman Empress until she married F. de Lorraine, for being a woman. M.T.was quenn of Bohemia and hungary and Archduchess of Austria. this lasted few time, but the bavarian claimers were elected and proclamed.


Yes, but Joseph and Amalia Wilhelmine's daughter is known as Maria Amalia, not Amalia Wilhelmine like her mother. In all the books I've read she's called Empress Maria Amalia.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: crotalo on March 21, 2006, 03:53:24 AM
Yes, it is there the confusion :-/. Most times Maria Amalia, but also Wilhelmina Amalia or Amalia Wilhelmina or Maria Amalia Wilhelmina of Habsburg , or of Bavaria :P

I guess Wilhelmina must have been then one of the several names. Let's refer to her as Maria amalia so  :)


Marc, lovely portrait.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: trentk80 on March 21, 2006, 12:48:26 PM
Some information on Empress Amalia Wilhelmine:

In 1651 her father, Johann Friedrich, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg, had become a Catholic and when, in 1679, he died he had only daughters surviving him. Wilhelmine Amalie was only six when her father died and at first was educated by her mother, Benedikta Henriette. Then she was taken to the convent Maubuisson where her great-aunt, Louise Hollandine, was the abbess. Wilhelmine Amalie was very much affected by her religious upbringing and, although beautiful, became too serious and religious.  
In 1693 she returned to Hannover where several prominent dukes were hoping to marry her. However, despite the opposition of Empress Eleonore and her brother, Elector Palatine Johann Wilhelm, the future Emperor Josef I made her his wife. But then, after a few very happy years, the serious minded Wilhelmine Amalie was not able to keep the lively Josef at her side and their marriage became strained.  
Nevertheless, they became the parents of three children, born within the first three years of their marriage, but then there were no more because Josef had infected her with a venereal disease.  
After an initial influence of the Houses of Hannover and Modena these soon lost their importance. Politically Wilhelmine Amalie sided with her mother-in-law and they even founded their own little court party. However, in 1711, Wilhelmine Amalie's husband died and she was no longer involved with politics, except for the promotion of her two daughters. Her brother-in-law, Emperor Karl VI, proclaimed the Pragmatic Sanction, which placed his own daughters before those of his  
deceased brother, Emperor Josef. At first she fought against this and counted on the support of her two sons-in-law, the Electors of Bavaria and Saxony, but gave up when the Austrian court did not support her.  
In 1717 she founded the Salesianer Convent 'Heimsuchung Mariae' in Vienna and, in 1722, took her residence there and followed the religious life. In 1740, after the sudden death of Emperor Karl VI, both her sons-in-law decided to claim the Imperial office. At first they had the support of Wilhelmine Amalie but, when the Bavarians started to prepare for war, she sided with her niece, Maria Teresa. On 10 April 1742 she died in the convent and was buried in the Kapuzinergruft in Vienna.  

Source: Worldroots
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: crotalo on March 22, 2006, 03:48:31 AM
Excellent thread. thank you very much, Trenck.

 Why she sided finally with M theresa against her daughters and sons in law interests?


Amalia Wilhlmina of Brunswick-Luneburg

(http://fotos.miarroba.com/thumb/2C444B06811444211DEB1F44211D8A.jpg)  (http://album.miarroba.com/sarolte/0/97/)

There is a big contrast between the first portrait posted by Marc and this. Both images could be together a kind of biography too.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: trentk80 on March 22, 2006, 06:53:10 PM
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 Why she sided finally with M theresa against her daughters and sons in law interests?


I'm not sure but I remember reading somewhere that it was because she didn't want war.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: trentk80 on March 22, 2006, 07:38:32 PM
According to the Spanish ambassador in Vienna, Jose de Viana, Empress Elisabeth Christine was "beautiful, well shaped, tall, very white... a person who devotes her time to charity works and together with her ladies-in-waiting mades needleworks that decorate two very beautiful rooms in the palaces of Laxenburg and Halbthurn. She loves hunting, music and among the animals she is especially fond of her forty dogs."  
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: britt.25 on March 27, 2006, 12:12:18 PM
Any portrait of her grandmother Christine Friederike of Württemberg? (Daughter of Louise von Öttingen Öttingen)?

I know, a very special question...

Thanks for a link! ;) ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: HSH The Duchess of Bourbon on October 26, 2009, 12:39:05 PM
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She was very beautiful as a young woman.

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/ec1.jpg)

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/lny.jpg)

And this state we already know...  :)

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/ecxy.jpg)


PEOPLE! the first painting is French: 'Marie Thérèse de Bourbon', princesse de Conti and great great grandmother of Louis Philippe I of the French! LOL it is by Pierre Mignard
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: beladona on December 08, 2009, 02:50:13 PM
Excellent thread. thank you very much, Trenck.

  Why she sided finally with M theresa against her daughters and sons in law interests?


Amalia Wilhlmina of Brunswick-Luneburg

 (http://fotos.miarroba.com/thumb/2C444B06811444211DEB1F44211D8A.jpg)  (http://album.miarroba.com/sarolte/0/97/)

There is a big contrast between the first portrait posted by Marc and this. Both images could be together a kind of biography too.



Very nice portrait, but has nothing to do with Empress Amalia Wilhelmina...it´s not her
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 08, 2009, 04:15:16 PM
Yes. It is not her...Who was it ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth Christine
Post by: beladona on December 08, 2009, 04:39:22 PM
She remainds me Amalia of Solms, but I´m not sure, if it´s really her...