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Title: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: seriya on December 15, 2005, 08:29:06 AM
I'm interested in Ludwig III's daughters.

1.  Princess Adelgunde(1870-1958] -Fürst von Hohenzollern Wilhelm

2. Princess Maria Luisa(1872-1954)  -Duke of Calabria Ferdinando of The Two Sicilies

3. Princess Mathilde(1877-1906) -Ludwig Gaston of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

4. Princess Hildegarte (1881-1948]

5. Princess Nothburg (1883)

6. Princess Wiltrud(1885-1975) -Wilhelm Karl , Graf von Württemberg

7. Princess Helmtrud(1886-1977)

8. Princess Dietlinde(1888-1889)

9. Princess Gundelinde(1891-1983)-Graf Johann Georg von Preysing-Lichtenegg-Moos


He had so many daughters! Please post phtos and informations~.
(only Mathilde, I know her many photos in this site. thanks. :D )
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Linnea on December 15, 2005, 01:09:57 PM
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Not a beauty among them I am afraid...Maybe Mathilde.

Mathilde was a recognized beauty. Also Maria was quite pretty as a younger woman...
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 15, 2005, 01:25:04 PM
Ludwig's second daughter Maria was named "Maria Ludwiga".

Princess Hildegard raised rabbits and loved dogs.

Princess Wiltrud was the second wife of Wilhelm of Urach, whose first wife was Amélie, Duchess in Bavaria - a half-sister of Princess Marie Gabrielle of Bavaria and Queen Elisabeth of Belgium.
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Svetabel on December 15, 2005, 01:57:09 PM
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Princess Hildegard raised rabbits.


Wonderful hobby! ;)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 11, 2008, 05:37:14 PM
Will you help to build up a collection of pictures of the countless daughters of the last King and Queen of Bavaria?

Adelgunde Marie Auguste Therese (1870-1958).
Maria Ludwiga Theresia (1872-1954).
Mathilde Marie Theresia Henriette Christine Luitpolda (1877-1906).
Hildegarde Maria Christina Therese (1881-1948)
Wiltrud Marie Alix (1884-1975).
Helmtrud -or Helmtrudis! - Marie Amalie (1886-1977).
Gundelinde Maria Josepha (1891-1983).

(I have left out Notburga and Dietlinde, who only lived for a short time; yes, they do seem to have had difficulty thinking of new names).

To start off, then, here are the four youngest:

(http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/44076/2873532230100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/9541/2540841140100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/37720/2564921010100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/43052/2025993200100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)


Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on October 11, 2008, 05:58:01 PM
Great idea, Adagietto!
Right now, I just have pictures of Adelgunde...and very common pictures, I´m afraid...

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/AdelgundeBayernpic.jpg)

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/AdelgundeprincessBayern-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 11, 2008, 08:00:25 PM
They all look so sad.  :(
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 12, 2008, 02:18:10 AM
They were probably worried about the shortage of Catholic princes to marry! Adelgunde was 45 when she married Prince Wilhelm of Hohenzollern (as his second wife). That second picture of her with all the flowers is very nice. I can add just one more: she is not looking any more cheerful in it I am afraid.

(http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/36906/2907079300100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on October 12, 2008, 02:50:41 AM
Wiltrud:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/Wiltrud.jpg)

Helmtrud:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/Helmtrud.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 12, 2008, 04:51:44 AM
I see that she's called Wiltrude on that card, their name seem to be given in constatly varying forms. I have another picture of Helmtrud in that white dress:

(http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/40403/2744489570100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on October 12, 2008, 04:55:58 AM
The beauty of the family was Mathilde, but I find Wiltrude so nice...
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 12, 2008, 06:19:42 AM
Yes, I agree. She looks nice in this one too (which is distinctly unflattering of her sister):
(http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/30019/2032374100100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

Mathilde with her bridegroom:
(http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/18339/2747913200100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)
Does anyone have any portrait photographs of her? I remember that there were some really lovely ones in the old thread about her. She was certainly the beauty of the family.
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on October 12, 2008, 06:31:43 AM
Your wishes are my command ;)

Two of Mathilde:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/MatildeBavaria.jpg)

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/MathildevonBayern-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 12, 2008, 06:55:55 AM
Oh thank you, that second one is wonderful (amazing dress too).
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Svetabel on October 12, 2008, 10:32:10 AM
My 2 cents here:

Princess Adelgunde

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessAdelgunde.jpg)

Princess Hildegarde

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessHildegard_1904.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessHildegard.jpg)

here with her brood of rabits -- interesting hooby for a princess, isn't it? ;) 

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessHildegard--.jpg)

Princess Gondelinde

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessGundelinde_1909.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessGundelinde.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 12, 2008, 10:54:33 AM
Thank you; and very fine rabbits they are too.

We seem to have had something of everyone except for Maria.

Meanwhile, another of Mathilde at the time of her wedding:
(http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/44356/2775243290100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on October 12, 2008, 11:02:10 AM
Mathilde and husband again...

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/MathildevonBayernundLudwigvonSachse.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Linnea on October 12, 2008, 12:49:02 PM
here with her brood of rabits -- interesting hooby for a princess, isn't it? ;) 
300 height=502]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessGundelinde.jpg[/img]

Actually this postcard of the princess - made during WWI - should encourage the Bavarian people to breed rabits during the late war years with it's shortage of food.
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on October 12, 2008, 01:10:26 PM
The rabits of the princess wouldn´t have been enough to make a difference, but I can understand the feelings of the bavarians...

A picture of Maria Ludwiga Theresia, princess of Bavaria. The man is her husband Ferdinand of Borbon, duke of Calabria:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/MariadeBavieraymarido.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Linnea on October 12, 2008, 02:49:23 PM
The rabits of the princess wouldn´t have been enough to make a difference, but I can understand the feelings of the bavarians...

You got me wrong, Yseult. One wanted the people to follow the princess' example and breed rabits of their own.
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 12, 2008, 03:37:11 PM
This picture from 1888 shows them as children, all in a row from the oldest to the youngest; it includes Dietlinde who died within a year or so of her birth.

(http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/7916/2535446280100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

Rupprecht, Adelgunde, Marie, Karl, Franz, Mathilde, Wolfgang, Hildegard, Wiltrud, Helmtrud and Dietlinde. Gundelinde was yet to come.
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 12, 2008, 03:41:10 PM
Cool pix! thanks!

Breeding rabbits? that sounds boring....I can understand dogs, but rabbits? they are not really nice and human loving animals.
All the rabbits i met bit me. my fingers are not carets!
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 12, 2008, 04:15:02 PM
13 altogether; they obviously thought you can't have too much of a good thing. The rabbits were bred to encourage everyone else to breed them, for food; there was a desperate shortage of food in Germany in the last two years of the war. Rabbits can be thoroughly friendly if they are handled properly. I have a neighbour who has a house-rabbit; unfortunately it leaves droppings everywhere. 
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 12, 2008, 04:20:14 PM
I found it sad that some of them went without husbands or married late.  :(
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 12, 2008, 05:39:15 PM
13 altogether; they obviously thought you can't have too much of a good thing. The rabbits were bred to encourage everyone else to breed them, for food; there was a desperate shortage of food in Germany in the last two years of the war. Rabbits can be thoroughly friendly if they are handled properly. I have a neighbour who has a house-rabbit; unfortunately it leaves droppings everywhere. 

I'm always gentle with small animals, they just didn't like me, i guess. lol.

Ludwig and his wife were catholics, they bred like rabbits! lol (just joking, please don't find it offensive)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 12, 2008, 06:15:20 PM
I was meaning if the owner of the rabbit had socialized it properly; if they are just left in a hutch and taken out occasionally, they can be tetchy.

Crown Prince Rupprecht had 11 children (though by two different wives).
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 13, 2008, 03:55:07 AM
(http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/44369/2528088860100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

Hildegarde, Helmtrud, Gundelinde and Wiltrud.    (Agreed? There is a more difficult one to come.)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Mari on October 13, 2008, 04:26:12 AM
Wonderful Pictures! Wiltrud and Helmtrud look very close as children!  Did Wiltrud marry early?
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 13, 2008, 04:50:12 AM
Wiltrud married Wilhelm, Duke of Urach, in 1924, when she was about 40, as his second wife. So a late marriage like her sister Adelgunde. Her husband had had a chance at different times of becoming Prince of Monaco (he was in fact the legitimate heir but the French didn't want a German there), King of Albania and King of Lithuania!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindaugas_II_of_Lithuania
Helmtrud never married, neither did Hildegarde.
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: REMI on October 13, 2008, 08:36:37 AM
This picture from 1888 shows them as children, all in a row from the oldest to the youngest; it includes Dietlinde who died within a year or so of her birth.

(http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/7916/2535446280100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

Rupprecht, Adelgunde, Marie, Karl, Franz, Mathilde, Wolfgang, Hildegard, Wiltrud, Helmtrud and Dietlinde. Gundelinde was yet to come.

A 14th child is missing: Nothburga, born and died before the pic was taken...

REMI
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 13, 2008, 09:11:24 AM
Yes, that makes 13 altogether.  No picture of her I am afraid, since she died within five days. She is interred in the crypt of the Liebfrauendom in Munich with her parents and one or two siblings. This is the relevant inscription:

WOLFGANG MARIA LEOPOLD
KÖNIGLICHER PRINZ VON BAYERN · GEBOREN 2 · VII · 1879
VILLA AMSEE LINDAV · GESTORBEN 31 · I · 1895 IN MÜNCHEN
DIETLINDE MARIA THERESE
KÖNIGL · PRINZESSIN · GEB · 2 · I · 1888 · GEST · 14 · II · 1889 MÜNCHEN
NOTBVRGA MARIE KAROLINE
KÖNIGL · PRINZESSIN · GEB · 19 · III · 1883 · GEST · 24 · III · 1883 · MÜNCHEN
 
(Notburga Marie Karoline
Royal Princess - born 19.3.1883 - died 24.3.1883 - at Munich)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: José on October 13, 2008, 10:45:29 AM
I wonder what went up kin Ludwig and Queen Marie Theresia to name their younger daughters with such unusual names among german RFs:
Notburga, Wiltrud, Helmtrude, Dietlinde and Gundeline, after an Adegunde (not a name I would choose for a daughter of mine) and the most current Maria and Mathilde.

Sometimes a name can make all the difference.
I once read that when the french king Louis VIII was looking for a bride in Castille, he was offered the hand of Pss. Urraca.
But the french thought the name so unusual they refused and choose her sister Blanche, a name more acceptable for the delicate french medieval ears.

Blanche became the mother of St.Louis IX.
Urraca would eventually marry king Afonso II of Portugal, where the name was not so strange.
Afonso II already had an aunt named Urraca, who married king Ferdinand of Leon.

Nowadays, it would sound very, very odd to name a child Urraca.
Besides, "urraca" in spanish translates as Magpie - in portuguese "Pêga" which is not a very nice thing to call a woman... if you know what I mean ;-)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 13, 2008, 11:13:52 AM
Luitpold also has an archaic feel. I wondered if Notburga might have been named after the saint of that name, but on looking her up I found that she is the patron saint of servants and peasants, so that might seem an eccentric choice for a princess! Urraca has a rather harsh sound.
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on October 13, 2008, 11:24:00 AM
I wonder what went up kin Ludwig and Queen Marie Theresia to name their younger daughters with such unusual names among german RFs:
Notburga, Wiltrud, Helmtrude, Dietlinde and Gundeline, after an Adegunde (not a name I would choose for a daughter of mine) and the most current Maria and Mathilde.

Sometimes a name can make all the difference.

I entirely agree with you!
If I´m not confused, some of the bavarian princess could have been brides for king Alfonso XIII. I can´t imagine spanish people with a queen Wiltrud or a queen Helmtrude...
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2008, 11:25:39 AM
Yes...they do go back to the middle ages for names.
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Linnea on October 13, 2008, 01:50:15 PM
If I remember correctly both Wiltrud and Helmtrude were named after the German Emperor (Wiltrud got the first part and Helmtrud the second).
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2008, 05:50:38 PM
That is really strange !
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: REMI on October 14, 2008, 02:35:47 AM
Yes, that makes 13 altogether.  No picture of her I am afraid, since she died within five days. She is interred in the crypt of the Liebfrauendom in Munich with her parents and one or two siblings. This is the relevant inscription:

WOLFGANG MARIA LEOPOLD
KÖNIGLICHER PRINZ VON BAYERN · GEBOREN 2 · VII · 1879
VILLA AMSEE LINDAV · GESTORBEN 31 · I · 1895 IN MÜNCHEN
DIETLINDE MARIA THERESE
KÖNIGL · PRINZESSIN · GEB · 2 · I · 1888 · GEST · 14 · II · 1889 MÜNCHEN
NOTBVRGA MARIE KAROLINE
KÖNIGL · PRINZESSIN · GEB · 19 · III · 1883 · GEST · 24 · III · 1883 · MÜNCHEN
 
(Notburga Marie Karoline
Royal Princess - born 19.3.1883 - died 24.3.1883 - at Munich)


Thanks...Sorry... I haven't been able to count.

REMI
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 14, 2008, 03:04:19 AM
(http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/43717/2757879300100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

Gundelinde, Wiltrud, Adelgunde, Hildegarde, Helmtrud??
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Svetabel on October 14, 2008, 05:04:38 AM

Gundelinde, Wiltrud, Adelgunde, Hildegarde, Helmtrud??

Wiltrud is at right, behind Prince Franz.
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 14, 2008, 05:59:48 AM
So Helmtrud one from the left?
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: REMI on October 14, 2008, 07:22:47 AM

Gundelinde, Wiltrud, Adelgunde, Hildegarde, Helmtrud??

Wiltrud is at right, behind Prince Franz.

Sorry, Svetabel ... According to Noël S.Mac Ferran, a specialist (www.jacobite.ca) you can find, from left to right:Gundelinde, Hildegarde, Aldegunde, Karl, Wiltrud, Helmtrud and Franz.

REMI
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 14, 2008, 07:34:05 AM
A specialist in Bavarian princesses?  Well, that puts both of us in our place.
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: REMI on October 14, 2008, 08:07:46 AM
As you know, the succession to the thrones of England and Scotland has passed from the House of Stuart through the house of Savoy and Habsburg to the House of Wittelsbach, where it remains to this day. Noël McFerran meets often the Family of Bavaria. He is received in München and Nymphenburg. Please, have a look at his site....Very interesting.

REMI
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 14, 2008, 08:34:15 AM
Yes, I was only joking, I know his site, it has good things in it; but I somehow don't think that the Wittelsbachs will ever be moving from Bavaria to Buckingham Palace, there is another German dynasty already in occupation.
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: REMI on October 14, 2008, 09:40:49 AM
Of course! I was only saying that McFerran know the Wittelsbach very well

REMI
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Svetabel on October 15, 2008, 12:43:57 AM

Gundelinde, Wiltrud, Adelgunde, Hildegarde, Helmtrud??

Wiltrud is at right, behind Prince Franz.

Sorry, Svetabel ... According to Noël S.Mac Ferran, a specialist (www.jacobite.ca) you can find, from left to right:Gundelinde, Hildegarde, Aldegunde, Karl, Wiltrud, Helmtrud and Franz.

REMI

I know that site. With the all respect to the specialist I can't agree Helmtrud is behind Franz. I still think that's Wiltrud.
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: REMI on October 15, 2008, 03:20:54 AM
Thanks, Svetabel...Helmtrud and Wiltrud are as like as twins indeed. I have just compared the photo of Wiltrud alone to the photo of group. I must say you are certainly right: it is Wiltrud. No doubt.

REMI
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: REMI on October 15, 2008, 03:40:50 AM
(http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/44369/2528088860100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

Hildegarde, Helmtrud, Gundelinde and Wiltrud.    (Agreed? There is a more difficult one to come.)

Hildegarde, Wiltrud,  their mother, Gundelinde and Helmtrud.
Is it right , Svetabel?

REMI
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Svetabel on October 15, 2008, 05:00:22 AM
Yes, you are right, Remi. : )
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on October 16, 2008, 04:24:07 AM
Princess Maria and her family; she married the Duke of Calabria to become the titular Queen of the Two Sicilies (that has a good ring, a shame that the Bourbons had made such a mess of ruling their Sicilies when they had been in power):
(http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/42862/2189088400100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

Her daughters:
(http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/43874/2267049590100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/44393/2116287660100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on October 16, 2008, 09:59:09 AM
I´ve read that Ferdinand of Calabria and his wife Maria of Bavaria were quite happy, but they had a very difficult financial situation...Archduchess Elisabeth Franziska of Austria guaranteed an annual income to the couple and after Elisabeth Franziska´s death, her younger daughter, queen Maria Cristina of Spain, stated she would pay the same amount of money every year...
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on February 22, 2009, 05:17:45 PM
I've read that Ferdinand of Calabria and his wife Maria of Bavaria were quite happy, but they had a very difficult financial situation...Archduchess Elisabeth Franziska of Austria guaranteed an annual income to the couple and after Elisabeth Franziska´s death, her younger daughter, queen Maria Cristina of Spain, stated she would pay the same amount of money every year...

Do you know why it was Elisabeth Franziska who gave them an allowance instead of Ludwig/Maria Theresia? Was it out of love for her granddaughter of because Ludwig and Maria Theresia could not/would not?  I thought Maria Theresia was very wealthy due to her her part of the inheritance of her uncle Francis of Austria-Este, Duke of Modena.  I thought even though Franz Ferdinand received a good portion and the title Archduke of Austria-Este that Maria Theresia received a good amount of lands too?

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on March 05, 2009, 09:11:36 AM
Another picture of Maria, Duchess of Calabria:

(http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/42892/2279743370100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: tecklenburg on March 08, 2009, 01:38:44 PM
hi ! what a gigantic family !
I read that Prince Wolfgang died young (15). Someone knows about this prince ?
Why has he died so young? what were his interests? what were his parent's plans his future?
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: Adagietto on March 23, 2009, 07:48:29 AM
Another picture of Maria with the Duke of Calabria, the nicest I have come across:

(http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/41293/2556638310100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: synnadene on November 18, 2009, 04:34:04 AM

Princess Hildegard

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/IMG_0005.jpg)
Title: Re: Ludwig III's daughters-Bavaria
Post by: LisaG on July 27, 2015, 09:32:19 AM
Does anyone know how Ruggerio Maria, son of Ferdinand Pius and Maria Ludwiga, died? He was only 13, and his death prompted a family schism.