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Title: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: José on December 24, 2005, 12:09:11 PM
 D. Maria Pia of Savoy (1847-1911)
Her remains will be transferred to Portugal on 2006.
She is the only queen still buried abroad (apart of Auguste Victoria).
After the republican revolution (1910) she left to exile with her younger son D. Afonso, duke of Oporto, in her home country where she was well received by her sister in law Queen Margarita.
Her mind had suffered a lot after the murder of her son King D. Carlos and grandson D. Luis Felipe in 1908.
The death of her sister Clotilde Pss. Napoléon, to whom she was very attached too, only made things worst and she just let herself go.
At the moment of her death she is quoted to have said to her maids/pages to turn her bed in the direction of Portugal.
She was buried in Superga at the Savoy's pantheon.

José
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: José on December 24, 2005, 12:18:25 PM
There is a photo of the 3 ladies in the Saboya princesses thread but I don't know how to post it here  :-[.
May be someone will do it  ::) .

José
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 24, 2005, 01:35:50 PM
That would be nice. I heard the Aduya Palace in Lisbon contain ed a lot of momentoes of this fasinating and extravagent queen, whose jewel collection was large.
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Grand Duke on December 25, 2005, 11:46:26 AM
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That would be nice. I heard the Aduya Palace in Lisbon contain a lot of momentoes of this fasinating and extravagent queen, whose jewel collection was large.


Sorry Eric, but it writes "Ajuda Palace" which was the Royal residence of Queen Maria Pia and her husband King Luís I of Portugal. She got the Palace full of paintings, photos and statues of their parents, husband and sons. It is a wonderful palace!
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Grand Duke on December 25, 2005, 11:50:11 AM
(http://www.casa-da-confraria.com/images/img/roy0018.JPG)

D. Maria Pia (1847-1911)

Daughter of the archduchess Maria Adelaide of Austria and Victor Emanuel of Piemonte, king of Sicily (1849) and Italy after the unification in 1869.
She was born in Turim on the 16th of October 1847 and died in exile, in the castle of Stupinigi (Piemonte) on the 5th of July 1911.
She married at the age of 15, in 1862, to King D. Luis I, and they had 2 sons: D. Carlos, the future king and D. Afonso.
She was a woman of temper and some heroic acts were attributed to her.
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Grand Duke on December 25, 2005, 12:31:31 PM
(http://www.jssgallery.org/Other_Artists/Carolus-Duran/Queen_Maria_Pia_of_Portugal.jpg)

Queen Maria Pia of Portugal
1880
Carolus-Duran, French portrait painter/teacher
Palácio Nacional da Ajuda, Lisbon, Portugal *
Oil on canvas
23.6 x 15.4 cm

* this painting hangs in the "Queen's Portrait Room" at Ajuda Palace.
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Grand Duke on December 26, 2005, 06:45:50 AM
The Ajuda Palace is still used today by the President of Republica of Portugal in reception parties for foreign Heads of State.
 
It is also used when a new Prime-Minister and his Government is elected and take power.
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Grand Duke on December 26, 2005, 06:57:20 AM
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this fascinating and extravagent queen, whose jewel collection was large.


Yes, Maria Pia was very extravagant. She used a new dress everyday and would never repeat it. The next day she would use another new dress and the yesterday's one was sended to the National Theatre.

So, she always had big debts even when she died. Her jewel collection was sold to pay her debts.
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Michael_II on December 26, 2005, 07:57:26 AM
There is an interesting story about how she once held up a te deum at the catheral so that when she entered to sun would shine through just right to reflect off the tiara she was wearing :D
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Grand Duke on December 26, 2005, 08:13:36 AM
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She was a woman of temper and some heroic acts were attributed to her.

She was a woman of temper with great courage.

During one revolution against the government, on 19th May 1870, the rebels went to Ajuda Palace asking the King to dismiss the Prime-Minister.
The head of the rebels was an army marshal and he wanted to be the next Prime-Minister.
Queen Maria Pia, who considered this revolution as high treason and very disturbed to have her house surrounded by rebels, said to the marshal: "If I was the King, I would order you to be shot."

In 1873, she was walking with her 2 sons in the beach of Cascais (near Lisbon) when a great wave took the children. Without hesitation she throw herself into the sea to save her sons. All 3 almost died but they were saved by a man who worked in the beach lighthouse. Maria Pia and the man were awarded with a medal by the King. The man also received a lifelong-pension.


(there are other episodes that I will write soon)
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Grand Duke on December 26, 2005, 03:39:28 PM
My dear Queen Maria Pia

(http://www.genealogics.org/photos/25336.a.jpg)
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: grandduchessella on December 28, 2005, 07:12:32 PM
Maria Pia of Savoy received her name, Pia, in honour of her godfather, Pope Pius IX. She was considered beautiful, very communicative, very generous and loved by everyone. She was a woman of fearsome temperament who, thirty years before on the afternoon of one of Portugal's many military coups, had dared confront the terrible Duke of Saldanha with the words: 'Marshal, if I were a man, I should have you shot'. She was now sixty, still full of energy, and when turmoil was brewing in Lisbon, she had no qualms about walking the streets with no escort other than that required by protocol.

She had no concept of the value of money and was the despair of the royal treasury. For some time in her later yeaers, she showed signs of mental instability, but she continued to charm all those who come near her.
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2005, 08:19:35 PM
I read somewhere that Maria Pia did not get along with her daughter-in-law, Queen Amalie. It was not until the double tragedy that unite the two women in grief. Is that true ?  ???
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: grandduchessella on December 28, 2005, 08:51:11 PM
I've read that their personalities and interests were very dissimilar and this led to friction.
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Callasboy on January 18, 2006, 04:40:43 AM
What a pleasant surprise it was to run into this groups discussion. I would like to thank you for the wonderful pictures of our marvellous Queen, one of the most powerful, controversial, and dramatic figures to ever grace the pages of the history of Portugal within the last 150 years.

D. Maria Pia's contradictory nature was probably the fruit of early loss and disappointment. Having been forced to marry a man she didn't love at such an early age, and move from the splendour of the Italian Court, home to everything she knew, and everyone she loved, to the provincial Portuguese court still recovering from a violent civil war, decades of foreign occupation, and the horrors of the earthquake of 1775, must have had the necessary impact to generate a  personality that could be equally loved and hated in equal measures.

Savagely criticised for her reckless spending, Maria Pia would rise to the occasion by confronting her critics saying 'If they want a Queen, they will have to pay for it", or " Let them talk until they explode". This type of behaviour, no doubt rooted in the need to compensate for the loneliness and rejection she felt, could easily be counterbalanced by selfless and profoundly generous acts. To the Court and Government she might have been a proud and capricious Queen. To the people she was a pious one with the ability of generate love and fidelity among her lowly subjects. To this day she is known for her generosity, and constant work to help the poor.

The differences of personality between herself and her daughter in law are well documented. It is important to mention however that HM always behaved with the utmost courtesy towards D. Amelia. It was Amelia, with her somewhat "bourgeois" principles that constantly criticized her mother in law. This is very clear in her memoirs. There is however one point that I must make. While D Maria Pia was deeply loved by the people, D. Amelia was regarded with suspicion. This wonderful character that represented in every way the regal splendour that can only be incarnated by the person of the Queen was no doubt doing something right.

Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Grand Duke on January 18, 2006, 04:10:56 PM
This portrait is only a detail of a big family portrait that hangs at the Green Room, Palace of Ajuda, in Lisbon, which was the residence of King Luis and Queen Maria Pia.
After King Luis's death, his son King Carlos and Queen Amelia lived at Palace of Necessidades. Maria Pia continue to live at Ajuda with her younger son, Afonso.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Sebastiao/SD000297.jpg)
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Grand Duke on January 18, 2006, 04:49:54 PM
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To the Court and Government she might have been a proud and capricious Queen. To the people she was a pious one with the ability of generate love and fidelity among her lowly subjects. To this day she is known for her generosity, and constant work to help the poor.


Queen Maria Pia founded in Lisbon the "Victor Emanuel's Children Care" on 1st November 1878.

When Queen Maria Pia was told that a great fire killed many people in Theatre Baquet, at Oporto city, in March 1888, she immediately took a train from Lisbon, with her son and dressed in mourning, during a heavy rainy night.
In Oporto she walked through the narrow and dirty streets giving many words of confort and money to everybody. In that city, the people called Maria Pia "The Charity Angel" and "Mother of the Poors".
Today, in Oporto, the most important children's hospital is named after her - "Maria Pia's Hospital" - and was founded in 1883.

(http://www.porto.taf.net/20050501-mariapia1.jpg) Maria Pia's Hospital
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2006, 01:11:01 AM
I wonder if there are books on Maria Pia ?  ???
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Callasboy on January 19, 2006, 08:11:19 AM
Grand Duke,

I'm a bit confused. I was under the impression that  they all lived together.After D.Luiz's death, D. Carlos and D. Amelia moved from the Palace in Belem, today the presidencial Palace, to the Ajuda Palace. It was D. Maria Pia who was suppose to move to the Palace of Necessidades with D. Afonso, but it never happened...am I right?
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Grand Duke on January 19, 2006, 03:43:52 PM
Callasboy

The Palace of Necessidades was the royal residence of Queen Maria II and King Pedro V.
After the dramatic deaths of Pedro V and his brothers, by typhoid, King Luís left the palace closed and went to Palace of Ajuda with Maria Pia.
When D. Carlos married D. Amelia they lived in Palace of Belém, where their 2 sons were born.
After King Luiz's death, D. Carlos didn't want to move his mother from Ajuda, so he, his wife and sons went to live to the Palace of Necessidades (if you can read Portuguese, you can find this info at: Palácio das Necessidades (http://www.min-nestrangeiros.pt/mne/visita/principal.html#palacio)).
Maybe there were plans to move Maria Pia to the Palace of Necessidades with D. Afonso, but it never happened. But I don't know about those details.

The 2 Queens never lived together: during the Summer the Royal family went to Sintra but Maria Pia was in the Palace of Vila (in the bottom of a mountain) and Amelia was in the Palace of Pena (in the top of the mountain).

LOL LOL LOL

Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: José on January 19, 2006, 05:56:26 PM
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I wonder if there are books on Maria Pia ?  ???


There is a photobiography edited by Palácio Nacional da Ajuda in 1987 (together with another of D.Luis).

I read in the portuguese message board Genea that a book will be edited to celebrate the reburial of the Queen.
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: PssMarieAmelie on January 20, 2006, 02:34:45 AM
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My dear Queen Maria Pia

(http://www.genealogics.org/photos/25336.a.jpg)



The tiara she's wearing looks like the Braganza diamond tiara, now in possesion of the Swedish royal family. 8)
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Callasboy on January 20, 2006, 02:58:42 AM
Grand Duke,

Thank you for clarifying that. I thought it was a rather strange arrangement, but alas, I was wrong  :P
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Callasboy on January 20, 2006, 03:17:44 AM
Just one further question. Is the Palace of Necessidades open to the public? If not, what are the chances of maybe scheduling a private tour? I know it is used as the Foreign Office, but in Britain government buildings are opened to the public for a couple of days a year. Is it the same in Portugal?

Also, any idea of when the mortal remains of Queen Maria Pia will be transfered to Portugal? Would love to be there for that.
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: La_Rainha on February 25, 2006, 12:51:58 PM
I`m so glad to read, what so many people like Queen Maria Pia! She is the reason for my nicknahme La Rainha! A wonderful person!
I know, that her husband gave her as present a very special crown, the Star Tiara! I saw photos with Queen Amelia with this wonderful diadem , but no good one from Dona Maria Pia!
Has somebody from you such a photo?
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: José on February 27, 2006, 02:24:38 PM
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Just one further question. Is the Palace of Necessidades open to the public? If not, what are the chances of maybe scheduling a private tour? I know it is used as the Foreign Office, but in Britain government buildings are opened to the public for a couple of days a year. Is it the same in Portugal?

Also, any idea of when the mortal remains of Queen Maria Pia will be transfered to Portugal? Would love to be there for that.


The Foreign Office is closed to the public.
Specially now when we have a FO Secretary praising the Iranian Government  :-X and very understanding to the islamics on the cartoon matters.

But on another board, a fellow poster told me how he visited the Royal Apartments.
"I went to the archives of the Ministério de Negócios Estrangeiros (For. Office) to do a research and I asked its director, Senhora D.Isabel Fevereiro, the permit to visit the palace and she kindly asked an employee to make a tour with me.
But please, mind that I went to the archives first..."
So it will be worth to try.

As to the date when Queen D.Maria Pia will return, apparently nobody knows.
I suppose the Royal Pantheon would need great works to allow her dignified return.

Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Grand Duke on March 01, 2006, 04:33:57 PM
Queen Maria Pia, c. 1865 (with c. 18 years-old).

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Sebastiao/10428935.jpg)

Just lovely.  :-*
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: La_Rainha on March 13, 2006, 06:49:35 AM
I love this photo from Maria Pia, with her sister and her sister in law!
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/LadyMountbatten/MariaPia.jpg
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: dmitri on August 04, 2007, 09:43:08 AM
I have been to the Ajuda Palace and it is wonderful. It was one of the highlights of my trip to Portugal. I went up there by tram from the city centre. There is a lot of evidence of Maria Pia and her husband Luis and two children. Tours are available in English. I bought a wonderful book on Maria Pia there as well as some others.
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Svetabel on August 04, 2007, 09:55:18 AM
I bought a wonderful book on Maria Pia there as well as some others.

Then you probably can share some info with us.
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: dmitri on August 06, 2007, 06:41:37 AM
I wonder where one could start? She basically transformed the Ajuda Palace and was responsible for most of its current decoration.
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: DonaAntonia on March 20, 2009, 07:22:04 PM
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww149/AntoniaHohen/Royal%20Portugal/DLuizDMariaPia.jpg)
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: DonaAntonia on March 24, 2009, 05:38:16 PM
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww149/AntoniaHohen/Royal%20Portugal/DLuizDMariaPiaDisderi1.jpg)
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Post by: Jose II on March 27, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
In some pictures she does indeed look very small.

But take this one:

http://jssgallery.org/Other_Artists/Carolus-Duran/Queen_Maria_Pia_of_Portugal.htm
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 05, 2010, 12:01:25 PM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2624dhu.jpg)
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: edtash on November 24, 2010, 10:27:42 AM
I was told by a very good source that a new English-language biography of Queen Maria Pia is in the works and scheduled for publication this Spring!!!!

Cannot wait!

Eddie
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Eurohistory on November 25, 2010, 03:00:05 PM
Hummm...trying to let the cat out of the hat?

Naughty, naughty Eddie...

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: José on November 29, 2010, 11:42:52 AM
I was told Eduardo Nobre is finishing a book on Queen D. Maria Pia for next year's anniversary of her death.

Given Nobre's former books, I will look forward for it
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Eurohistory on November 29, 2010, 06:41:46 PM
It surely will be packed with photos...Eduardo is a nice man and a wonderfully thorough historian!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: José on January 30, 2013, 10:48:23 AM
It's odd the twists of history.

D.Maria Pia had bought a chalet at Monte Estoril, near fashionable Cascais where her husband D.Luis reformed the Citadelle Governor's house and turned it into the family holidays house by-the-sea (and where D.Luis incidentally died).

After the fall of the monarchy, Her chalet eventually was bought by the Herédias, the family of Viscount of Ribeira Brava who was implicated in the regicide as he had provided the funds to the republican revolutionaries.

The Herédias still own the chalet, facing the sea, and one of the members of the family, from a younger branch, is the present Duchess of Braganza, D.Isabel de Herédia 
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 30, 2013, 10:51:18 AM
Indeed. A twist of fate indeed.

I wonder if the duchess is aware of that history ?
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: José on January 30, 2013, 10:51:51 AM
Last year, the Portuguese postal authority issued a series of 6 stamps on royal palaces.

D.Maria Pia features on the stamp of her beloved Palace of Ajuda

http://local.pt/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Selos.jpg
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: José on January 30, 2013, 10:55:27 AM
Indeed. A twist of fate indeed.

I wonder if the duchess is aware of that history ?


She is close to the elder branch of the family so I guess she will know who was the previous owner.

 5 pictures of the chalet right on the seafront

http://www.monumentos.pt/Site/APP_PagesUser/SIPA.aspx?id=9403
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 25, 2013, 09:42:34 AM
Did she got along with her 2 sisters-in-law ?
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: Sara Araújo on September 25, 2013, 09:52:19 AM
I'm not sure about her relationship with Maria Ana, but Infanta Antónia, Princess of Hohenzollern-Singmaringen, criticized her for her luxurious lifestyle in several letters. On one of these letters, written to her brother, King Luís, she asks, after Maria Pia arrived from a trip to Paris: "Has she finished unpacking everything she bought? She buys so many things that she leaves half of them behind."
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: José on November 29, 2014, 12:01:20 PM
On 2012, the Queen was honoured in a stamp from the Portuguese Palaces series. She is seen at one of Ajuda's sitting rooms where her italian family is depicted.

http://www.ctt.pt/femce/sku.jspx?shopCode=LOJV&itemCode=20122210195

A couple of years ago, there was another stamp featuring her husband D.Luis with the palace of Ajuda as background
Title: Re: Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen of Portugal
Post by: José on September 18, 2015, 01:54:08 PM
Finally a biography on a forgotten queen:

Maria Pia, Queen of Portugal, by Sabrina Pollock

http://erhj.blogspot.pt/2015/04/eurohistory-new-book-maria-pia-queen-of.html

Hope it will soon be translated

Meanwhile, a photo gallery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6hzgUIowiA