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Title: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on December 24, 2005, 04:32:55 PM
Hey guys,

Look what I just found. Read it and tell me what you think.

Link:
http://www.bnr.bg/RadioBulgaria/Emission_English/Theme_History_And_Religion/Material/Gabarevo.htm

Picture:
(http://www.bnr.bg/NR/rdonlyres/02869EF1-5767-4C97-9218-5BEADF11DE5D/0/Anastasia_Romanova.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on December 24, 2005, 04:48:55 PM
This should be in the survivors board.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Holly on December 24, 2005, 05:59:59 PM
She can't be Anastasia, she has brown eyes.  ::)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: grandduchess_42 on December 24, 2005, 06:04:32 PM
highly unlikly  ::)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on December 24, 2005, 06:41:32 PM
Could the Bulgarian mountain village of Gabarevo be the last refuge of the lost Romanov Princess?

Many years after the Bolshevikhs in Russia had executed the royal family, forensics who examined the exhumed skeletons of Russia’s last monarch Nikolay II and his family, discovered that the mortal remains of one of the princesses and the crown prince Alexey were missing. Thus, the foundations for one of the biggest mysteries of the 20th century history were laid, and a great number of hypotheses on the possible ways in which these two members of the Russian royal family, the Romanov, had escaped certain death, and their possible whereabouts came to being. One of the most striking of these was the claim put forward by Bulgarian investigator Blagoy Emanuilov that Princess Anastasia and her brother Alexey of Russia had spent their last days and had died peacefully in the Bulgarian village of Gabarevo in the Balkan Range. Radio Bulgaria brings the story of how the legal expert put two and two together.

Dozens of fake Anastasias and Alexeys the world over had tried in vain to claim their rights to being the famous regal personae, entitled by right of birth to the throne of Nikolay II. It is very likely that while the impersonators were making a big fuss about their made-up stories, the true prince and princess had led a quiet and undisturbed life in a remote village huddled in the folds of the Central Balkan Range in Bulgaria, not far from the historic town of Kazanluk with its famous Thracian mound. The elderly villagers in Gabarevo still bring vivid memories of the mysterious Russians who had settled in the village some time around 1922-1923. As if from nowhere, a young Russian woman of regal stature, presenting herself as Countess Eleonora Albertov Krueger, arrived in the village. She insisted that everybody addressed her as Nora. She lived with the Russian physician who had appeared a month prior to her arrival, and whom she subsequently married. However, everybody was aware that theirs’ was a formal marriage and that the lady was treating her husband as if she had married below herself. Almost a year later a tall frail young man, enlisted in the municipality register as Georgi Zhudin, but better known as Georges, accompanied by several more Russians took refuge in their home. The improvised Russian community shared one thing in common: they never mentioned their origins and their past, nor did they give explanations about the purpose of their stay. Georges shunned other people and usually kept strictly to himself right until the last days of his life in 1930. Rumours had it Georges and Nora were siblings and of royal blood. The young lady had exquisite manners, spoke several foreign languages, played the piano, and was skilled in white and colour Russian embroidery. She was an avid reader and always smoked cigarettes. Even opium was mentioned at some point. One thing was striking about her: she had a scar from a wound inflicted by a gun shot between her right cheek and her neck. She had a similar wound on her chest. She passed away on July 20, 1954, aged 55, taking away her secrets to the grave. She was laid to her rest alongside the grave of Georges. “A great deal of the life facts about Princess Anastasia, whose verity historians had proven, coincided with Nora’s life in the village of Gabarevo,” Blagoy Emanuilov says and adds, “Near the end of her earthly days Nora often recalled childhood experiences of being bathed in gold baths, and combed and clothed by maids. She mentioned having a princess’s room all by herself and remembered drawings she had made. There is other evidence, as well. In the early 1950s a Russian who once served on the anti-Bolshevikh White Guard and who had taken refuge in the Bulgarian Black Sea town of Balchik referred to Nora and Georges from the village of Gabarevo when describing the lives of the executed royal family. He told witnesses that the late tzar Nikolay II had ordered him personally to take Anastasia and Alexey out of the palace and hide them safely in the country. Apparently they had somehow managed to make their way to Odessa, where Anastasia was said to be wounded by the Red Army cavalry. They got off at Tegerdag in Turkey, and the Russian White Guard officer claimed fate had taken them as far as the village of Gabarevo in Bulgaria. In the late 1950s another Russian residing in the town of Chirpan near Stara Zagora in Southern Bulgaria announced the forthcoming visit of a Russian delegation that was to pay tribute to the graves of two important Russian personalities in the village of Gabarevo. However, he failed to mention the names of the high-profile personalities and was soon taken away by sudden death. Experts have found a great percentage of matching when comparing the photographs of 17-year-old Russian princess Anastassia Romanov to the picture of 35-year-old Eleonora Krueger from the village of Gabarevo. The year of birth is the same, too. Another thing: Georges’ contemporaries described him as suffering from consumption, and being thin and yellowish as glass. Russian court physicians, when describing the crown prince Alexey who was known to be a haemophiliac, gave the same description. Tuberculosis and haemophilia share many similar signs, physicians claim.”

Krustina Chomakova from the village of Gabarevo recalls how the mysterious Nora Krueger used to teach them French, English and Latin, or do the props for the amateur theatre productions, or even did the make-up, or offered her services as prompter although the bullet had affected her vocal chords, and she kept her voice low and spoke mainly through the nose. In her words the young Russian aristocrat had transformed entirely the life of the people in the tiny village huddled amidst the thickness of the Balkan Range forest. Everyone whispered under their breath she was a Russian princess.

“Back in 1930 when the majority of the Bulgarians hardly even knew what ballet was, she put on a ballet show at the village school,” Krustina Chomakova goes on to say. “She made fancy coloured costumes out of stretchable paper. Ah, the success the show had! The following year we mounted a production of “The Flowers’ Ball” operetta. She used to be in charge of the spring festival that grew into a large court fancy-dress ball of sorts, with the people from the village guised as Eskimos, Africans, etc.”

In 1995 forensics exhumed the bones of Nora and Georges in the presence of a forensic physician and an anthropologist. To their surprise they found a very precious item in Georges’ grave, a ladanka, a small icon of the Lord Jesus Christ left inside the graves of only high-profile Russian aristocracy members. Naturally, DNA analysis is the only plausible scientific method to give the answer to the question whether Nikolay II’s two youngest children had ended their days peacefully thousands of miles from the city of Ekaterininburg in Siberia, where in 1918 their royal parents and siblings had been shot dead by order of the Bolshevikhs.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Ortino on December 24, 2005, 08:19:32 PM
Putting aside the fact that her eyes are dark, which may just be a result of the photograph, her facial features are similar to Anastasia's. If she is an impostor, she's the closest looking one I've seen.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Holly on December 24, 2005, 08:35:02 PM
IMO, her nose is two wide and her lips are too short and thick. Plus her eyes are clearly brown. Even in B&W photos you can tell dark form light. If the eyes are light, you can see the pupil from the rest of the eye. When will these imposters cease to exist?!?  >:(
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on December 24, 2005, 08:56:47 PM
If you read the article carefully she never said she was the Russian Princess. On contraire, she used another name and told everyone that she was a Polish Countess. She never wanted anyone to know that she was Russian, she was hiding. She never talked about her background. The people put two and two together and concluded that she was Anastasia. When she was old she told a woman that she was born in a golden creedal and people would dress her. However, she never told anyone that she was the daughter of the last Tsar of Russia. In the 50's a Russian man visiting Balchik, a Bulgarian Black sea port, told a Bulgarian man that he was in Bulgaria to visit two very important graves to the Russian people. Some of what I just said some from the fallowing article.

This is another link, but this one is in Bulgarian:
http://www.bgnews.bg/show_story.html?issue=315874430&media=3669536&class=5282812&story=315876841
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on December 25, 2005, 08:55:58 AM
(http://www.diplomatic-bg.com/c2/images/stories/2004/12/13.jpg)

You can see her in the right corner. She is attending a local wedding. The fallowing article also discusses the issue about her identity. It writes that when "The Princess" came to Bulgaria around 1922 - 1923 she was 24. In the registry she wrote that she was born in Saint Petersburg, but she was Polish. She married a Russian doctor who was living with her and her brother. Apparently they married because the people in the village were suspicious of a young woman living with an older man not being married. The article also writes that her brother was sick all the time and they (The sister and the doctor) told everyone that he had tuberculoses. Aberrantly the symptoms for tuberculoses and hemophilia are the same. The article writes that other Russian came to the village. They were working for “The Princess” and the doctor. However non of them would discuss their past. All this is a fact and not a make believe by an imposter trying to get publicity.


The link:
http://www.diplomatic-bg.com/c2/?lang=ru&option=com_content&task=view&id=443&Itemid=47
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: grandduchess_42 on December 25, 2005, 11:47:38 AM
i think the bone structer of her looks like nastya's but every thing else is just wrong. but i agree with Ortino... shes closest to her then any one.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on December 25, 2005, 03:12:21 PM
I just found another picture of her. Well if she is not Princess Anastasia then she is simply what she is telling us - a Polish Countess. But why would a Polish Countess come to Bulgaria with her younger sick brother and doctor. From what would she hide from? And like all the other articles say eventually other Russians also come who took care of the young woman and her brother by cooking and cleaning her home, and they never talked about their past.  

Regarding the pictures. The last pictures of Anastasia taken in Russia were in 1917 or 1918, the picture I am showing was taken 20 years later.

The first picture was taken in the 1930's:
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/boyar/Anastasia-old.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/boyar/Anastasia-young.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: grandduchess_42 on December 26, 2005, 11:05:21 AM
nope nothing like her.

maby that woman and her younger brother did have a past that they didn't want to talk about. but it was surly not Nastya and her story.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on December 26, 2005, 06:16:40 PM
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nope nothing like her.

maby that woman and her younger brother did have a past that they didn't want to talk about. but it was surly not Nastya and her story.


In one of the articles it writes that an forensic analysis had been made of the pictures of The Princess and The Prince in Russia and them in Bulgaria and a perfect mach have been found. The only thing that can be done is a DNA.

Look at the hair. The same curls only shorter. And not just the hair. But oh well. Everyone can believe whatever they want.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Sophia_Skymind on December 27, 2005, 06:02:29 AM
Hi!

Hey! I understand your confusion, but I'm sure this can't be Anastasia. She just looks a lot like her, but considering humans shares about 98% of their genomes with monkeys , you'll understand it's possible that people share common features across time and space.

Their eyes are not the same shape and color, their mouths and hair look very different, too, but I thank you for finding this paper.
I've often heard about false Anastasias and Alexeis, but had never found a "concrete" one.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: matushka on December 27, 2005, 07:59:52 AM
What does it mean, an officer take them from the palace. Which palace. It is really stupid, people who are speculating about those things could have better read the IF's story: well, Anastasia was indeed in Tobolsk and Ekaterinburg, it is an historical fact. What can we add to this????!!!!
By the way, I am not sure AN knew latin so well, I am not sure she never studied it seriously. So...
You know, a lot of people have something to hide, are hidding from the policy of their country. She could be a polish countess... or someone else, but NOT Anastasia!
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on December 27, 2005, 08:48:04 AM
I respect the fact that you do not believe that this is her. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. The man who reviled that he took Anastasia and Alexis from Russia was in a Balchik hospital. Just before he died he only said that in Bulgaria there are two important graves for the Russian. Also there were a fourth Russian who later came to Bulgaria and began living with them. He later left them and began working in the French embassy in Sofia. In order to work for the French embassy someone would have to know perfect French and have diplomatic skills. Now why would a Russian man who escaped the Reds come to Bulgaria and live in a small village instead of going straight to France and making a career and a good living. Was he in Bulgaria because he was protecting something. And how many Russian in the 20’s and 30’s knew perfect French and had diplomatic skills - little. Most of them were peasants and workers. Only someone form the Royal circles and the government can know this. And finally Blagoi Emanuilov is dig the graves and removed the bodies. Currently the bodies and kept in an unknown location. The man is working on a way for a DNA test to be carried. But that’s just the fact. You believe in what you want. it’s a free world. At least in most of it. HAHAHAH
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Tania+ on December 27, 2005, 05:07:08 PM
Question? Does anyone know anyone in a major police department with a police artist in their city or country. Don't many of these specialized artists have talents whereby they can with a special machine, advance the face from a child on to advance age(s) so one may see the progression of the face in years to come ?

Sometimes this is used to help make confusion lesser of the person in question as to their identity.

Thank you in advance if anyone can gain this connect, and share with us the outcome of the police artist's sketche's, information, etc.

Tatiana
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Holly on December 27, 2005, 05:17:48 PM
I have thought alot about getting OTMAA's faces aged before. But, I can't think of how we could do it.  :-/

This "Bulgarian Countess" looks nothing like Anastasia. Completely different. Anastasia had a very distinct face. And you would think that when she grew up she would at least look a LITTLE bit the same!!! Everything about her face is different. If she really was Anastasia, don't you think we would all recognize her at once? Until they get a DNA test, you can believe whatever you like... ::)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on December 27, 2005, 05:59:44 PM
It is possible that she is Anastasia, it is also possible that she is not. There are people in Bulgaria truing everything to get a DBA test of the bodies, however they do not have the money. In the begging of the 1990’s they wanted the test to be made by Cambridge University, in the late 1990’s they wanted the test to be done in Florida, however both times unsuccessfully. To me both pictures look a lot the same. To different people they may look different and I understand that. It will be funny as hell if it is proven that she is the same person and no one can recognize her. ;-}

The comparison that was already made was done between two pictures. One picture of Anastasia when she was 15 and another of “Anastasia” when she was 35. It is based on the shape of the face, the form and length of the nose, the lips and the eyes. The comparison was made by Dencho Todorov.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Holly on December 27, 2005, 06:22:46 PM
Thanks for the info Popov. It would be funny if she was Anastasia and none of us recognized her! ;D
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on December 28, 2005, 09:15:42 PM
There is another interesting thing. Nora loved and had many dogs. The name of one of her dogs was Maron. Maron is very unusual name for Bulgaria. If you rearrange the letters is spells Roman, short for Romanov.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Holly on December 28, 2005, 10:27:05 PM
Woah! That is weird!  :o
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: matushka on December 29, 2005, 04:09:23 PM
Perhaps! But for example in French, the word "marron" means "brown". We can imagine that "lady Nora" knew French, which is very plausible is she was someone of the "good society", polish or russian, and that the dog was just brown....... ;)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: calebGmoney on December 29, 2005, 04:57:00 PM
Wow. I've never even heard of this woman, and her nose looks like Marsha Brady's after the football hit her in the nose.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on December 29, 2005, 07:32:31 PM
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Perhaps! But for example in French, the word "marron" means "brown". We can imagine that "lady Nora" knew French, which is very plausible is she was someone of the "good society", polish or russian, and that the dog was just brown....... ;)


The dog was Cocker Spaniel.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on December 29, 2005, 07:40:21 PM
Nora would teach the local children German. The teachers from the school did not like that. If they found a student taking a private lessons he would be punished. I guess the teachers did not like the competition. Nora told the students that this was the language of her mother. So apparently her mother was German. Just like Tsarina Alexandra.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: lilavanderhorn on December 29, 2005, 08:52:57 PM
Right, because Anastasia was so fluent in German that she could teach it to others. ::) ::)

Doesn't this thread belong in the survivors section and not this one?
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on December 29, 2005, 09:01:05 PM
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Right, because Anastasia was so fluent in German that she could teach it to others. ::) ::)

Doesn't this thread belong in the survivors section and not this one?


We are talking about the 1920’s in a small Bulgarian village. Compared to the locals she was something they never knew before. There were no other people in this village speaking any other language then Bulgarian. Except for the Russian immigrants who came right after Nora. Nora would give language and piano lessons. She loved to paint and even gave one of her painting to a local woman. She would also loved to needle goblens. She tore one of her dresses so the local woman can make goblens. She told them never to forget that this was a Royal dress. Probably a court dress.

Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: grandduchess_42 on January 03, 2006, 07:23:52 PM
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Right, because Anastasia was so fluent in German that she could teach it to others. ::) ::)

Doesn't this thread belong in the survivors section and not this one?



yes it must be go to the survivor section. maby some one should move it.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on January 03, 2006, 08:00:13 PM
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yes it must be go to the survivor section. maby some one should move it.


I do not know how to move it. If someone knows he/she should move it.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Holly on January 03, 2006, 08:33:52 PM
I think only a mod can move it. Obviously they haven't been looking at the boards very often.
Anastasia didn't know German very well at all.  ;D
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on January 03, 2006, 09:11:24 PM
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I think only a mod can move it. Obviously they haven't been looking at the boards very often.
Anastasia didn't know German very well at all.  ;D


If you want to prove that Nora was not Anastasia you should say:

Anastasia did not speak German at all.

How many people do you think knew German in Bulgaria in the 1920‘s and especially in a small village? Compared to them she was practically fluent in German. Compared to a German she barely knew the language. She thought German to small Bulgarian children, not German children. Nora was teaching German and piano from her own home, she was not a teacher in the local school.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Margarita Markovna on January 04, 2006, 07:57:23 AM
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Anastasia did not speak German at all.


Wasn't German one of the languages the Imperial children took, and stopped in 1914 because of the war with Germany?
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Lanie on January 04, 2006, 02:52:12 PM
Anastasia did speak German but the girls were not very good at it.  Alexandra taught Tatiana some German during their imprisonment in Tobolsk.  One of the things someone (I think Kobylinsky) rememered about Olga was that her English was perfect but her German was awful.

Oh well.  They all died.  Get over it, peeps!  ;D
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Holly on January 04, 2006, 07:00:16 PM
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Oh well.  They all died.  Get over it, peeps!  ;D

>:( Wouldn't expect that kind of comment about OTMA from you Lanie.  :'(
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Lanie on January 04, 2006, 07:34:14 PM
Holly, I'm kidding.  The fact that people whine and whine about how X must have survived is getting really obnoxious because we all know they all died.  People need to get over it and use their noodles.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on January 04, 2006, 07:52:17 PM
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Holly, I'm kidding.  The fact that people whine and whine about how X must have survived is getting really obnoxious because we all know they all died.  People need to get over it and use their noodles.


And other people need to open their minds.

The fact that there are people who do not want to believe what I am saying is there problem. So far I have just stated the facts and nothing but the facts. All the peaces fit together. And so far nobody can bring anything to disprove it.

And its also a fact that only the bodies of Tsar Nicholas II, Tsarina Alexandra, Grand Duchesses Olga, Tatiana and Maria were reburied at the end of the 1990’s. With the bodies of Grand Duchess Anastasia and Tsarevich Alexis never been found.

Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Holly on January 04, 2006, 08:35:43 PM
Sorry about that Lanie,  I didn't realize you weren't serious!  ;D

Popov, it gets really frustrating when people continue to ignore the fact that AA was proved NOT TO BE AN by DNA. They only care about the fantasies and folk-lore and never care to think that MAYBE AA wasn't was just the compulsive liar that she was. She doesn't even LOOK like Anastasia! All the experts I know say it would have been very unlikely for someone to have survived something like this. The amount of damage done to the bodies themselves show this. Anastasia and Alexei were only buried seperatley. Don't say we don't have open minds, we are only being realistic.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on January 04, 2006, 09:07:57 PM
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Sorry about that Lanie,  I didn't realize you weren't serious!  ;D

Popov, it gets really frustrating when people continue to ignore the fact that AA was proved NOT TO BE AN by DNA. They only care about the fantasies and folk-lore and never care to think that MAYBE AA wasn't was just the compulsive liar that she was. She doesn't even LOOK like Anastasia! All the experts I know say it would have been very unlikely for someone to have survived something like this. The amount of damage done to the bodies themselves show this. Anastasia and Alexei were only buried seperatley. Don't say we don't have open minds, we are only being realistic.


I understand that you are trying to be realistic. I myself do not understand why if Nora was Anastasia came to Bulgaria and not Denmark where her grandmother was living.

I have never said that Anna Anderson was Grand Duchess Anastasia. I am talking about Countess Eleonora Albertov Krueger, aka Nora.

Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Lanie on January 04, 2006, 10:15:46 PM
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And its also a fact that only the bodies of Tsar Nicholas II, Tsarina Alexandra, Grand Duchesses Olga, Tatiana and Maria were reburied at the end of the 1990’s. With the bodies of Grand Duchess Anastasia and Tsarevich Alexis never been found.



No one could agree on which other bodies were found.  Only Olga wsa identified by both teams.  So therefore we do NOT know which daughter is missing.  So that's not a fact.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on January 05, 2006, 09:03:16 AM
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No one could agree on which other bodies were found.  Only Olga wsa identified by both teams.  So therefore we do NOT know which daughter is missing.  So that's not a fact.


However, it is a fact that two bodies are missing.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Holly on January 05, 2006, 09:44:53 AM
Exactly! But that doesn't mean that they survived!  >:(
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: grandduchess_42 on January 05, 2006, 12:20:49 PM
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Exactly! But that doesn't mean that they survived!  >:(



i agree with holly here. just because they are missing doesnt mean that they were alive. they could have been moved because a soldger took pity and hid them, after she was dead.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on January 05, 2006, 01:15:04 PM
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i agree with holly here. just because they are missing doesnt mean that they were alive. they could have been moved because a soldger took pity and hid them, after she was dead.


You are right, it does not prove that they were alive. And even today in 2006 their bodies have not been found anywhere in Russia. This gives the store about their survival more and more credability.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Robby on January 05, 2006, 01:16:08 PM
Although I believe a bit in the Granny Alina claimant, I also think that the other bodies may have been buried elsewhere.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Margarita Markovna on January 05, 2006, 02:16:28 PM
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You are right, it does not prove that they were alive. And even today in 2006 their bodies have not been found anywhere in Russia. This gives the store about their survival more and more credability.


Not necessarily. Unless the bodies were buried in the clay-like earth that the others were, they would have rotted long, long ago.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Holly on January 05, 2006, 04:32:35 PM
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You are right, it does not prove that they were alive. And even today in 2006 their bodies have not been found anywhere in Russia. This gives the store about their survival more and more credability.

Uhh...nope sorry it doesn't. I think thats just wishful thinking on your part. They were buried where no one has dug yet.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on January 05, 2006, 05:27:28 PM
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Uhh...nope sorry it doesn't. I think thats just wishful thinking on your part. They were buried where no one has dug yet.



You know, you can believe what you want to and I can believe what I want to.
You can never convince me, just like I can never convince you.
I will be convinced that the bodies in Bulgaria are not the bodies of Grand Duchess Anastasia and her brother Alexis only if their bodies are found in Russia or a DNA test proves that they are not theirs. Until then I believe that everything points to the fact that they are the Royal children. Anybody else can think what he/she want to think.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Margarita Markovna on January 05, 2006, 05:53:08 PM
And there's nothing against everyone having their own opinion. But the chances of bodies turning up now are rare to none.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: granduchess_leah on February 01, 2006, 07:52:38 AM
they do sorta look the same dont they?
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on March 08, 2006, 09:22:59 PM
Here is an article I found. Read it carefully to understand it:

The Bulgarian Anastasia?
Part I

Myths and reality
The deeper I dig in my memory of the past, the more convinced I get that some moments from the life and social contacts of Nora, Zhudin and the Doctor remained hidden for Gabarevites, and hence they made up their explanation-myths. I would like to set them apart from real facts.

The first myth: The three of them avoided any meetings or contacts with their compatriots – high-ranking whiteguard officers in emigration lived in the International Red Cross boarding house in the village of Shipka, Kazanlak district. But on pictures taken in 1928-29 they, together with their ever-present dog, are in front of the temple-monument among their compatriots.

The second myth: Nora was haughty and did not associate with the local people. Absolutely untrue. Stefan Djenanov, son of one of the Gabarevo notables, told me that in 1931-32 he, his two brothers and his sister Anka were in the same company as Nora and Dr. Alexiev, in the summertime they hiked in the Stara Planina, went for picnics by the river Tundja, on holidays they went to the dances in Pavel Banya. For years on end Nora eagerly associated with the intelligentsia and the village women in Gabarevo. There are pictures of her participation in the machine embroidery contest, organized by Singer, of the opening of the Karlovo-Tulovo railway line, etc. I managed to trace down the address of Anka Djenanova-Smith, who studied dentistry in Germany during the war, married an American officer and lives in Georgia, USA. In a beautiful Bulgarian language she wrote me touching memories of Nora, including the fact that she sent Nora music scores, and strings for Dr. Alexiev’s guitar.

The third myth: After the coming of the Red Army to Bulgaria, Nora panicked and closed herself up at home like a hermit. This is a downright fabrication. Eyewitnesses told me that when Russian troops were quartered in the village, among whom two women – a nurse and a pharmacist, Nora met with them and together with other women from Gabarevo they spent unforgettable hours!

It is true that in the late 1940s Nora withdrew into herself, but the reasons were hardly political. Because in a period of acute political suspiciousness and “alertness’ Gabarevites never treated her and Dr. Alexiev as white-emigrants or, God forbid, as “class enemies”. The Gabarevo intelligentsia was up to par! With its pronounced Russophile convictions and broadness they would not encroach on some of the most useful and respected persons in the village. As far as the common villagers are concerned, I have heard they treated Nora with extreme respect. They even stopped their carts when they met her in the street, to make way for her.

The fourth myth: During her 32-year stay in the village, Nora “did not leave the boundaries of Gabarevo”. There is definite evidence that in 1936, during the Olympic Games in Berlin she went there and stayed for almost a year. The version was that the rose-oil merchant from Gabrovo Lalyu Kolev and his wife, the German Elka, invited her to paint pictures of their home. In October 1939 she left for Sofia to be a witness in the wedding of Lalka, daughter of a Gabarevo woman who was close to her. She made her a wonderful wedding gift – a dinner set of Bavarian porcelain, which Lalka keeps as a family relic. When I saw it at her home I thought: “How fragile are human beings! The porcelain survived, whereas Nora turned to dust long ago.” Nora often visited the young couple in Sofia, she visited museums, libraries, went to the theater, opera, concerts, maintained contacts with certain publishers for which she translated from French.

The fifth myth: Perhaps it is closest to reality. There was talk in the village that she took opium. I never saw her do it. I only remember she smoked long cigarettes with a peculiar smell and the stub-filled ashtrays in her home. However, from students who had been longer around her, I found out that every autumn she received from the Petrich district a chocolate-like extract of poppy, like a cake of soap. She made small balls of it and swallowed them. Now I realize that certain critical moments that came over her ever more often – absent-mindedness, depression, irritation, insomnia, tremor of the hands – were probably symptoms of narcotic abstinence.

In the last years of her life Nora looked like a woman dying slowly and painfully of some hidden suffering. Bad heart, climacteric agony of an unfulfilled woman, drug addiction, incurable nostalgia for everything taken away from her in her youth, or the nightmares that drove her to walk at night as a somnambulist? Who haunted her dreams? I think nobody understood. But even hidden behind the curtain of social life, Nora left an imprint with her intellect – sometimes she was asked to design the sets for a play, to make up the amateur actors. And if in the Kazanlak secondary schools they said that of all village students the Gabarevo children are best prepared in languages and mathematics, it was doubtlessly due to the lessons with Madam Nora!

Link:
http://www.diplomatic-bg.com/c2/content/view/471/47/1/0/
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on March 08, 2006, 09:24:00 PM
The Bulgarian Anastasia?
Part II

How long will the truth be concealed?
After I made sure that at least until the early 1940s Nora maintained active social contacts, I was tortured by the question: If she was Anastasia, was it possible that she did not confide her secret with anyone? And I am becoming convinced that she did. Moreover, she desperately sought a way to hint it was high time to identify her, especially if she found out about the imposter Anna Anderson. But nobody read her gestures. In those years the truth would have been so dangerous and shocking that nobody would dare believe it and support it. Before many of her students she started “dropping” phrases full of suggestion: that she had lived in a royal palace, bathed in a golden tub, maids dressed her, brushed her hair and cut her nails. Here is how her painting of flowers of the field, presented by Nora to Stefanka Nestorova, was interpreted by people obsessed by her mystery: poppy – Maria, oats – Olga, gentian – Tatyana, scilla (“vasilyok”) – Tsarevich, chamomile (“romashka”) – the Romanovs. With this painting Sherlock Holmes would have perhaps identified Anastasia immediately. Unlike modern investigators who prefer to keep proud (or perhaps guilty) silence?!

One more thing, bearing in mind that traditionally Russian aristocracy officially spoke in French, it struck me as odd that it had a command of the German language “as a mother tongue”. For Anastasia, however, it would be understandable as the Tsarina Mother, Alexandra Fyodorovna was the German Princess Alix von Hessen-Darmstadt. The fact that no one remembers Nora teaching German may mean that she knew it well as a spoken language but not grammatically. What about her love for the dogs – Rex, Tangra, Beba, Jimmy, Johnny? Beautiful, pedigree, they accompanied her throughout her life. Is not the dog for her a symbol of her saved life, after on the boat a dog died of the bullet meant for her? Blagoy Emanuilov made an anagram of the name of the cocker spaniel Maron (Prince Alexey had the same dog!) that belonged to her and Georges and obtained Roman! Isn’t this a hint at their descent?

But the most probable clue was Vasilka Kerteva. Was she not Nora’s ambassador, a cry for help to her Motherland not to bury her, to remember her? Unfortunately, Nora’s closest friends – Lotte, Kerteva, Anka, Lalka are not living to give answers to many questions. For example, Nora’s stay in Berlin for almost a year is very strange. I find it hard to believe that a proud and worthy person like Nora would go in the role of “domestic” painter for some Bulgarian parvenu! Did not she go with the hope that the Germans had saved her mother and other members of her family and she could find them under their legalizing legends? By the way, the Italian newspaper Stampa launched the version that as a result of a Bolshevik-Monarchist plot the Emperor’s family was taken out of the country and lived scattered in exile in full secret. This could explain the superficially absurd attempts to make the bodies of the tsar’s family unfit for identification by spilling acid and burning them, even though all Russia knew about their execution. If all beads of coincidences are put in a string, maybe they can justify Nora’s depression in the last years of her life when she found out that actually no one in her country was interested in her and they would rather consider her dead. “To date the Russians wouldn’t admit that the bones of two of the children of Nikolay II have not been found and the Russian press continues to circulate the version that the two missing skeletons were found and burnt in a separate grave,” examining magistrate Emanuilov says.

As a journalist and public figure, I am also surprised that Russia showed no interest in the two exhumations in Gabarevo. Here is what Dr. Nyagolov said: “I wrote about it, repeatedly, to monarchic societies in Russia. Some of them did not answer at all, and those which bothered to answer advised us to abandon this issue or said they were not interested. This makes me think that perhaps they already know the truth about Alexey and Anastasia. But since now there is access to the secret archives I see no reason why the truth should be hidden, whatever it is!”

I don’t know how much difficulties and negative emotions this digging in the graves brought to the researchers. To me even digging in the memory brought me pain. Because from the perspective of my age I realized: Whether she was Princess Anastasia or the Polish Countess Eleonora, Madam Nora was a cruelly deprived woman. Extracted from her natural environment, banned far away from her motherland, forced to marry an unloved man, fallen a pray to drugs, she left this world embittered by human tactlessness, envy, ignorance and ungratefulness – lonely and unappreciated. Her fate is actually part of the drama of thousands of human beings, which became victims of the social clashes of the tumultuous twentieth century. And as I am writing for the diplomatic circles, I would like to call upon the people working on the diplomatic front, when they sit around a table for any kind of negotiations and take the pen, to think before they put their signature, because maybe thereby they trace the fates of thousands of people. Yet, the whole life of Nora in the little sub-Balkan village is a proof that a noble, erudite and generously gifted personality, even when history deprived her of any chance, would always find a way to leave a deep mark.

Link:
http://www.diplomatic-bg.com/c2/content/view/471/47/1/1/
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Missy-T on March 09, 2006, 03:57:01 AM
I hardly doubt that she was Anastasia..She don't look like her and her stories don't match with that of the grand duchesses..
Look at this:
Blagoy Emanuilov says and adds, “Near the end of her earthly days Nora often recalled childhood experiences of being bathed in gold baths, and combed and clothed by maids. She mentioned having a princess’s room all by herself and remembered drawings she had made.

Maybe it's just me, but I thought none of the grand duchesses had a golden bathtub..And didn't Alexandra dressed them? And she shared a room with Maria, right? Not all by herself.. Anyway, that's what I heared.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on March 09, 2006, 08:44:26 AM
Quote
I hardly doubt that she was Anastasia..She don't look like her and her stories don't match with that of the grand duchesses..
Look at this:
Blagoy Emanuilov says and adds, “Near the end of her earthly days Nora often recalled childhood experiences of being bathed in gold baths, and combed and clothed by maids. She mentioned having a princess’s room all by herself and remembered drawings she had made.

Maybe it's just me, but I thought none of the grand duchesses had a golden bathtub..And didn't Alexandra dressed them? And she shared a room with Maria, right? Not all by herself.. Anyway, that's what I heared.


They lived lavished lives and I would not be surprised if they had golden bathtubs. Another explanation might be that this is just a figure of speech to represent how different her life was before and now.

I do not believe that Alexandra dressed all of her five children every single day of their lives. Even if she did, I am not saying she did not, it was not every single day. Just think how long would it take for someone to do that when you have four daughters.

For the room your are right. I do not know how to explain this. Maybe there is something that we do not know. Why does everyone assume that everything about Anastasia is public knowledge. I bet there is more that we do not know.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: RealAnastasia on March 09, 2006, 07:59:14 PM
The story is interesting. But FA wrote that in THIS "Anastasia Forum"  we can't absolutely post any thread about pretenders.

We have the "Survivors" and "Claimants" Forums for this.

However, I liked very much your story!  ;) I don't believe this bulgarian woman was Anastasia, but it is a great story. Really...

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: popov_2000 on March 09, 2006, 09:54:28 PM
If anyone knows how to move this thread to another forum they should do so.

When I first stated this thread I did not know where to place the information, that is why I did it here.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on April 11, 2006, 09:16:10 PM
Everyone here keep saying how Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna Romanova and Countess Eleonora Albertov Krueger do not look the same. So I did something.

I e-mailed Professor Sloan R. Williams from The University of Illinois at Chicago. Her education is Ph.D. from Northwestern University. Her field of study includes Physical Anthropology, Human Genetics, DNA Studies in Archaeological Populations.

I e-mailed her two pictured - one of  Grand Duchess Anastasia and another of Countess Eleonora. I asked her if she sees any similarities between the two women. The pictures were small so they were stretched and put on a Word file. This made them a little blurry and unclear, but still visable. She told me that based on these pictures alone she can not be sure. However, there are defiantly similarities between the facial features of Grand Duchess Anastasia and of Countess Eleonora.

This is the opinion of a Professor with a Ph.D. degree from Northwestern University.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: dvoretzky on April 16, 2006, 01:02:09 AM
Let me add my two cents: I think Nora is NOT Anastasia but she is a Romanov. I mean she must be a descendant of a Romanov (DNA proof), probably the offspring of a morganatic marriage so she doesn't want to boast. Any missing Romanov bastards?
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on April 16, 2006, 08:17:16 AM
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Let me add my two cents: I think Nora is NOT Anastasia but she is a Romanov. I mean she must be a descendant of a Romanov (DNA proof), probably the offspring of a morganatic marriage so she doesn't want to boast. Any missing Romanov bastards?

Was a DNA test performed? If yes, then when ?
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on October 24, 2006, 08:57:26 PM
Grand Duchess Anastasia:
(http://www.russianking.hit.bg/images/anastasiya_romanova.jpg) (http://www.russianking.hit.bg/images/anastasiya_2.jpg)

Eleonora Albertova:
(http://www.russianking.hit.bg/images/anastasiya_1930.jpg)(http://www.russianking.hit.bg/images/anastasiya_1937.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on October 24, 2006, 08:58:53 PM
Grand Duke Alexis:
(http://www.russianking.hit.bg/images/aleksei.jpg)

George Pavlovich:
(http://www.russianking.hit.bg/images/jorj.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Georgiy on October 25, 2006, 12:57:34 AM
Those pictures of 'Eleanora Albertovna' are surely pictures of Anna Anderson doing her usual lip-biting pose.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on October 25, 2006, 06:47:22 AM
This is the web site I got them from: www.russianking.hit.bg
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Holly on October 25, 2006, 11:00:32 AM
Like Georgiy said, those pictures are of Anna Anderson, not whoever that other impostor is. You can find them in Peter Kurth's book, "Anastasia: The Riddle Of Anna Anderson."

It's very very very highly unlikely that this Eleanora Albertovna is any of OTMA or a Romanov. Neither of them look anything like who they pretend to be and don't you think that if they really were who they say they were that everyone would see the resemblence? :P
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on November 13, 2006, 06:26:00 PM
The thing is that they both NEVER EVER claimed to be Anastasia or Alexis. They claimed to be Polish Aristocrats. They did everything possible to not be associated with Russia.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: RealAnastasia on November 14, 2006, 09:12:26 PM
Yes...These photos are of Anna Anderson. Where did you find that these were of Eleonora Albertovna?

RealAnastasia.
 
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Holly on November 15, 2006, 12:55:38 PM
The thing is that they both NEVER EVER claimed to be Anastasia or Alexis. They claimed to be Polish Aristocrats. They did everything possible to not be associated with Russia.
So...then if they never ever claimed to be Anastasia or Alexei, did not want to be associated with Russia, and claimed to be Polish aristocrats...why are you saying they could have been.. ::)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on November 16, 2006, 04:02:10 PM
Because everything adds together. They were hiding in Bulgaria with the help of other loyal Russians. If you go bank and read the articles I posted you will find how everything fits like a passel.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Jarian on November 20, 2006, 03:41:33 PM
WOW this is a almost whole year argument! :o
R u people still on that Bulgarian lady?
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Holly on November 20, 2006, 06:32:58 PM
WOW this is a almost whole year argument! :o
R u people still on that Bulgarian lady?
Of course we are. Just like some people are still on about Anna Anderson. They don't want to face the truth. Boyar, let's see the DNA results then. ;)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on November 21, 2006, 09:37:55 AM
Well Holly,
if these were any DNA teats there was not going to be an argument.
Prince Dimitri Romanov visited Bulgaria in 2003. He was asked by journalists if he had heard the story of the Bulgarian Anastasia and he said yes, he is familiar with the story. However, when asked about a DNA test to be performed on the bodies he said that he believes the tactual Anastasia died in 1918 and her body is somewhere near where the bodies of the rest of the families were found. I think he does not want to go deep into this story. He is obviously familiar with something the rest of us  do not know.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Jarian on November 21, 2006, 01:55:24 PM
Well Holly,
if these were any DNA teats there was not going to be an argument.
Prince Dimitri Romanov visited Bulgaria in 2003. He was asked by journalists if he had heard the story of the Bulgarian Anastasia and he said yes, he is familiar with the story. However, when asked about a DNA test to be performed on the bodies he said that he believes the tactual Anastasia died in 1918 and her body is somewhere near where the bodies of the rest of the families were found. I think he does not want to go deep into this story. He is obviously familiar with something the rest of us  do not know.
Well wouldn't that make ALL the romanovs know?
I actually do think Nastya died in 1918 it is amazing if you have a relative that was alive then and is still living!( I do)
Plus I think Olga A.  did not think it was her. because anastasia was her favorite neice which Olga would take her an watch over her
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on November 21, 2006, 08:41:14 PM
Prince Dimitri Romanov was visiting Bulgaria in March 2003 during the celebrations of the Bulgarian liberation from an Ottoman rule. He was a guest of Tsar Simeon II. He told the press how he was told by his parents about Bulgaria. His parents visited Bulgarian and attended Orthodox Church here. He said he knows about the story of the “Bulgarian Anastasia”. When he was asked if he can assist in the performance of a DNA test he said that he believes that Grand Duchess Anastasia actually died in Russia in 1918 and her body is somewhere close to where the other bodies were found. This makes me think that even his parents Prince Roman Petrovich of Russia and Countess Praskovia Dmitrievna Sheremetev knew for this Bulgarian theory. Who knows maybe they even visited Eleonora in Bulgaria. Dimitri Romanov said that his parents were very happy to attend Orthodox Mass in an Orthodox country. He never said which parts of Bulgaria they visited.

This is Prince Dimitri Romanov:
(http://www.dr.dk/aroyalfamily/billeder/portraet/dimitri.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Scottie on January 01, 2007, 10:52:43 PM
I too have read the Bulgarian Radio article and it appears from the information supplied in this article that Countess Nora made no specific claim that she was GD Anastasia. The photo supplied in this article that you have reproduced here does have some similarity with her though - its not so much the facial features its more the fact that there is a general luminosity about the photo that is missing in some of the Anna Anderson pictures.

That luminosity is clearly seen in a lot the Romanov pictures. This may be attributable to the fact that some of the Romanov pictures are likely to be studio produced but even in some of the photos attributed to be taken by the Romanov family of each other - this lumious quality that the Grand Duchesses had is clearly evident. It is something that always puzzled me about pictures of Anna Anderson because although there is a similarity there - this luminious quality is missing.

Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: James_Davidov on January 21, 2007, 04:23:20 AM
I find this story the most interesting, I dont believe the survivor myths, but If a Romanov had, I believe their fate would have been very similar to this.

xx
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on September 06, 2007, 08:26:36 PM
According to Blagoi Emanuilov, the Bulgarian prosecutor who investigates the case with Eleonora Kruger, Anna Anderson had met and maybe even spend some time with Eleonora Kruger (who he claims is Grand Duchess Anastasia). At her wedding to Dr. Aleksiev Eleonora Kruger had said that this was her second marriage, and that is how is was documented in the marriage certificate. She also added that she had a child from her first marriage. However, this is all that she revealed. Anna Anderson had claimed that she was rescued by a Russian soldier that she married and had a son with. They both say that their husbands were killed, one by the Red Army and one by a street brawl in Bucharest. According to Blagoi Emanuilov Eleonora Kruger (or Grand Duchess Anastasia) had spend time with Anna Anderson. That is how Anna Anderson knew so much about the Grand Duchess, she knew is from Anastasia herself. Eventually their paths were separated. Anna Anderson went into the west and claimed to be Grand Duchess Anastasia and Grand Duchess Anastasia went into hiding with the assumed name Eleonora Kruger.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Valmont on September 11, 2007, 11:05:34 AM
Well, as far as I know, Eleonora Albertova Kruger never claimed to be GD Anastasia. She claimed she was the daugther of a Russian nobleman and a Polish Countess, maybe she was telling the truth....
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: gemellibru on February 01, 2009, 02:14:48 PM
Eleonra Kruger does not look anything to the Grand Duchess Anastasia! But I know that she was never in public as Proost Anastasia! Were in fact some people began to speculate that she was Anastasia!
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 26, 2009, 01:18:13 PM
Eleonora is Anastasia?
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 26, 2009, 01:33:54 PM
Eleonora is Anastasia?

No. The real Nastya died with her family on July 17th, 1918.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on April 19, 2009, 06:37:33 PM
This is an episode of a popular Bulgarian show where clairvoyants try to describe a person by its belongings without knowing who that person is. In this episode they are working on Eleonora Albertova Krüger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O42f9kKHEoE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HhbAJyeGS0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l2pixHP7lw
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on February 27, 2011, 03:17:42 PM
Anastasia and Eleonora:
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6449/anastasian.jpg)

Painting made by Eleonora:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_H4ITu_ZGsh8/SfmaINqXUuI/AAAAAAAAAUE/qjCqUKwJEzU/s1600/kartina%2B1.jpg)

Eleonora, George and other Russians in front of the Russian church on Shipka
(http://literaturensviat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/7_za_glava_1_i_2_shipka.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 27, 2011, 04:12:06 PM
She is a good artist, and looks a tiny bit like Anastasia, but definitely not the Grand Duchess.
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on October 30, 2011, 09:55:18 AM
I found this documentary on-line. I just do not know which language it is in.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xb2jmq_printesa-anastasia-romanova-a-murit_news
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on January 04, 2015, 10:53:39 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/222942_110335742385824_7052584_n.jpg?oh=a3ee9a1dfa6e3cc356504f49c1485ddd&oe=5523CF09&__gda__=1429144622_2a557f090e456264f0dabebf492c8f4a)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/204406_110335759052489_3078322_o.jpg)

(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t31.0-8/201888_110335799052485_3736905_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: boyar on November 28, 2018, 11:00:56 AM
For more information about Eleonora Kruger and George Zhudin you can visit:

https://www.facebook.com/noraandjorj/ (https://www.facebook.com/noraandjorj/)
Title: Re: Romanov and Bulgaria
Post by: TimM on February 23, 2019, 12:00:44 PM
Another one...