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Title: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: magsr131 on January 01, 2006, 05:24:19 PM
I have a question regarding the Alexander Park and am hoping that someone out there might know the answer.

On my last visit to St Petersburg (approx 6 years ago) I managed to get completely lost in the Alexander Park and found myself at a fenced enclosure. The fence was quite high ( maybe 2 metres) and the inside was completely overgrown with the plant growth nearly as high as the fence. I also saw some of the old lights inside located at regular intervals near the fence. I walked round but could not find an entrance and was eventually forced by a severe mosquito attack to retreat. The enclosure was roughly the size of a tennis court, and the fencing and lights were quite old.

Has anybody any idea where exactly I was and what I found?

Regards
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: ChristineM on January 02, 2006, 05:28:20 AM
I know the Alexander Park well, but cannot identify the fenced off area you describe.  

I wonder if this has more to do with the military occupation of the Alexander Palace and does not date from Romanov occupation.

It does not sound like the tennis court which was sited at the Feodorovsky Gorodok.

tsaria

Title: Regarding The Alexander Park Bridges
Post by: pastpalacelife on October 14, 2006, 02:18:38 PM
I am confused about the bridges in the Alexander Park, specifically the one where Nicholas is sitting with guards behind him, and then some of the children are photographed with the guards, etc.  I've seen some pics on here that look like the same bridge, but if you count the number of ironwork arches and swirls, it can't be the "exact" spot.  Maybe same bridge, but different side?  I would like a closeup picture of the exact spot on the bridge where the IF was sitting.  I'd like to compare also if any of the same trees exist...or same cracks in the masonry work, etc.  And where exactly too is this bridge, is it just down in front of the semi-circular exterior?   Thanks
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Pippilin on December 13, 2006, 05:06:13 PM
A strange thing happened to me when I began exploring the Alexander and Catherine Parks back in September, 2006.  I entered the park area by the little gate nearest the entry to the Ekaterina Hotel;  after a short distance, I saw the Chinese Village to my right and turned down a walkway toward it.  Next, following my map ( or so I thought ), I proceeded down a sidewalk into an area that I concluded was the "greenhouse" area.  Not very interesting, no signs, and eventually I reached a fence: dead end. Nearby, on the other side of the fence I saw a ruined Gothic brick structure that I thought would make a nice picture.
Before I knew it, a pleasant, rather official looking woman made it clear that I wasn't supposed to be there.  A couple of garden workers ( women ) came over to check things out, and soon a more official and unfriendly-looking young woman wearing a jacket with T.S. on the back also checked in at the site of my crime. As I was led away from this area, the two women gardeners kindly gifted me with 2 apples from the orchard. To make the story a little shorter, I'll just say that perhaps I stumbled into a "prohibited" area and was being diverted by Tsarkoe's version of the "KGB" from an area where GMO's are being experimented upon (LOL)!  No, I'm not being serious.
By the time I was escorted to the main gate of the Catherine Palace, an English-speaking guard and 2 policewomen were
laughing hysterically at the spy (me) being brought to them for inspection. My escort was still being quite stern.
Anyhow--it was an interesting occurrence and the guard, especially, was very nice. I was given the OK to go back into the parks, but never understood what I had done wrong!
Any ideas?
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: ChristineM on December 14, 2006, 04:28:48 AM
Pippilin - what an alarming experience.   By your description of where you were, I would say the 'Gothic' building you saw was the Chapelle.   I don't think you stumbled upon anything secret.   What I think is that the Chapelle is, in places, quite unsafe and that you were removed for your own protection.   The attitude, I admit, was not pleasant, but these were mini-officials being very official.

tsaria
Title: Bridge in the Alex Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on December 14, 2006, 06:41:49 PM
Pippilin,  Did you get any pictures of the Alexander Park?  I am very interested in the bridge where the IF was photographed as prisoners.  I understand that there are two bridges just alike that run parallel to each other.  I'd like to see a close up of the bridge as long as it is the exact same spot where the family sat.  Anybody got a picture?
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Petrushka on December 16, 2006, 09:40:06 AM
Hi I know exactly what you are loking for and I did exactly the same thing on my trip to Tsarskoe - if you go to my photobucket you can look at the photos I took of the brides.

www.photobucket.com

my username is       Petrushka3
password is            nigeljemson

 there's one on page 4, one on page 5, three on page 6, 

I think you'd need to take the original pics of the IF there and look at the bridges with the info at hand, as even these seemingly unchanged constructions are actually quite hard to place when you are relying on photos.

Be good
Title: Alexander Park Bridges
Post by: pastpalacelife on December 17, 2006, 11:51:14 AM
Thanks Pet!   I'm enjoying your photo's!
Title: Park Bridges
Post by: pastpalacelife on January 05, 2007, 01:50:04 PM
Does anybody have any photos up close of the two bridges in the Alexander Park?  I'm confused when I look at some pics,
there seems to be a big hill
behind Alexsey in one, and then in other
pics the background looks different.  I really want to compare the bridge where the captivity
 photos were taken with a good current photo of the bridge.  Also, were there parallel paths
down from the semi-circular balcony to these bridges?  If there were, are they overgrown now? 
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on March 05, 2007, 02:13:00 PM
Me again with another question.  Is there some kind of statue along the view from the semi-circular balcony?  Somewhere, I thought I saw what looked like an oblesik(sp)?  or column shaped thing.  I wish I had an aerial view of the palace that showed that side of the palace.  Anybody got a pic or ?
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Nemos on March 05, 2007, 02:37:50 PM
Обелиск есть прямо перед южным входом дворца.
Раньше он назывался Жертвам февральской революции.
Непостежимым образом в Советское время он превратился
Жертвам революции.

Бенуа в воспоминаниях говорит что был проект его установить
во дворе Екатерининского дворца. Его установка под окнами
Александровского дворца была не случайна. Семья Императора
была ещё в Царском Селе.

Данный обелиск был восстановлен после 1944 года.

The obelisk is directly before a southern input of a palace.
Earlier it referred to to Victims of February revolution.
In the strange image it has turned to Soviet time
To victims of revolution.

Benua in memoirs speaks that there was a project it to establish
In court yard Katerina of a palace. Its installation under windows
Aleksandrovskogo a palace was not casually. Family of Emperor
Was in Tsarskoe Selo.

The given obelisk has been restored after 1944.

http://geglov2.narod.ru/Foto/Aleks_p/Aleks_p_f_003_c.htm

http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Aleks_Reg_Park/Pam_Rev/P1010742.jpg

(http://u.foto.radikal.ru/0703/6786f35241dct.jpg) (http://foto.radikal.ru/f.aspx?i=0e57b00da7a44760944bc302adfa98e6)

(http://u.foto.radikal.ru/0703/ac8da407a165t.jpg) (http://foto.radikal.ru/f.aspx?i=bcf50ab8a50b4d909df2596dd339f32d)
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on March 25, 2007, 07:52:15 AM
Petruchka,

You post are marvellous!Thanks!


(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/Petrushka3/CNV00116.jpg)

Does anyone knows if more attention would be bring to the park in connection with the restoration of the Alexander palace facade?
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Purple Lady on April 01, 2007, 08:22:25 PM
I'm not sure if this question belongs here, but can anyone tell me how to locate the Alexander Palace on "Google Earth"? I have tried to locate these extraordinary places and palaces on the search engine, but the Alexander palace is one I can't find?!? I do see the "Egyptian Gates" though. Is the palace near this? I can also locate the Catherine Palace. Please anyone help!

Have a most blessed Easter.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: londo954 on April 01, 2007, 11:56:49 PM
Find the Catherine Palace.... locate the back of the palace not the garden facade... its the area that is surround by buildings and opens to the main gate of the palace... move up and over to teh left and u can see teh fuzzy yellow outline of the palace between the Catherine Palace and the Farm next to thelake... tehlast time i looked at google u can t get a clear image but u can make it out
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: THEDUCHESS on May 08, 2007, 04:31:13 PM
IS PROBLY THE PLACE WHERE THEY WRE KEPT PRISONERS
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Alexander_IV on May 08, 2007, 05:37:31 PM
It's still not detailed.
I've posted a screen shot of it in another thread though where I pointed out the AP

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,9292.0.html
The coordinates are on it as well normally.

And THEDUCHESS, maybe better turn off your caps lock  :P
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: THEDUCHESS on May 09, 2007, 03:04:34 PM
thanks.  aand i knew my caps was on! ;D
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: jfkhaos on May 27, 2007, 12:54:13 AM
While Alexandra's touch is seen in the private rooms of the IF, what interest, if any, did she take in the exterior of the palace, i.e. landscaping, color, etc?
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: THEDUCHESS on May 27, 2007, 10:46:05 AM
ok peeps did not get that ? intirely or was it a statement? well too many big words for me to understand ???
Title: From Palace down to two bridges
Post by: pastpalacelife on November 12, 2007, 02:10:03 AM
Does anyone know which bridge Tatianna and Alexie were sitting on in the famous pictures of them uner guard?  I've never been to AP, so correct me if I'm wrong, but there are two identical bridges just down from the semi circle.  If the Alexander Palace is behind you, would they have been on the left or right bridge?  Also, there seems to be another bridge that looks very similar to these two identical, but it has a track or rail or something running down the middle.  Anyone know where that is?   
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Nemos on November 12, 2007, 11:27:01 AM
Таких мостов несколько все они завода Санн-Галли. Они похожи элементы одни и теже. На Крестовом канале сохранилось 3-и, а одного в настоящий момент уже нет. На Ламских прудах ещё пока 3-и, но состояние очень плохое.

Such bridges a little all of them of factory Sann-Galli. They are similar elements the same. On Cross the channel it was kept 3, and one at the moment already is not present. On Lamskix ponds still while 3, but a condition very bad.

http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-old-1-/3232.html

http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-old-1-/2584.html
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on November 14, 2007, 05:06:31 PM
Thank you for the response Geglov, however, I'm still confused, sorry.  Do  you mean there were more bridges than those three, that looked very similar to the three, and one of those is gone?  Also, does anyone know which one of the two bridges down from the semi cirlce was the imperial family photographed with the guards behind them?  And, if anyone knows that, do they know which side of the bridge they were sitting on?  I have been trying to figure this out forever, but I can't seem to get my bearings when I look at the photos. 
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Nemos on November 15, 2007, 09:35:45 AM
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-old-1-/3620.html
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-old-1-/3516.html
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Nemos on November 15, 2007, 10:15:00 AM
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom/6924.html
Крыша дворца, из её элементов сделан мост около плотины Кухонного пруда.
Roof of a palace, the bridge is made of its elements about a dam of the Kitchen pond.

Сам мост сделан после войны, а на картах более ранних указана плотина.
The bridge is made after war, and on cards of earlier the dam is specified.
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom/6322.html

А рядом остатки моста
And a number the rests of the bridge
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-old-1-/5554.html

Фото 1908-12 Императрица на мосту канала.
Photo 1908-12 Empress on the bridge of the channel.
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-old-1-/5553.html
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Nemos on November 15, 2007, 10:47:46 AM
(http://i033.radikal.ru/0711/0e/3e8cf2c7f312t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i033.radikal.ru/0711/0e/3e8cf2c7f312.jpg.html)
Примерно место на карте моста.
About a place on a card of the bridge.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: koloagirl on November 15, 2007, 01:56:09 PM

Aloha all!

The pictures of Alexei and Tatiana by the bridge that you've given the links to -- I've never seen them before!

I did notice that the description in one refers to "Grand Duchess Olga" rather than Tatiana though -- pretty sure it is Tatiana as Ortino is sitting by her side and the clothes are identical
to Tatiana from other pics in the same spot.

Thank you very much for providing these links!  Very interesting!

Janet R.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: ChristineM on November 15, 2007, 05:13:08 PM
Standing on the terrace in front of the Semi-Circular Hall and looking down the alley, the photograph was taken on the bridge on the left.

tsaria
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on November 16, 2007, 06:04:19 PM
Thank you so much tsaria, I have wanted to know that for a long time!  So I guess that means they were facing the opposite bridge, with their backs to the kitchen pond and the children's island would have been to their front?  How far up the paths towards the semi balcony, can you walk today?  Is it still fenced off?  Thanks Geglov for the responses too!
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: gp on December 17, 2008, 06:57:56 AM
I heard there was a race couse and a golf course near the palaces. Does anyone know where they were and have any photos of same.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Nemos on December 18, 2008, 02:12:24 AM
В "Советское" время была площадка для игры в городки. Она была около Бастинона, на против стадиона Сельскохозяйственного института.
In "the Soviet" time there was a platform for game in "small towns". It was about Bastinona, on against stadium of Agricultural institute.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on February 06, 2009, 07:13:10 PM
I'm wondering, is the fence still up around the semi-circle balcony?  How close is one actually able to get to the balcony?  I would like to see some recent photos of the balcony and all along the back wall to the corner where Alexandra's balcony once stood and up the side there too.  Does anybody have any?  I assume it is not possible to go down that side of the palace, is that correct?  Thanks
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Cathy on February 07, 2009, 03:05:45 PM
I'm wondering, is the fence still up around the semi-circle balcony?  How close is one actually able to get to the balcony?  I would like to see some recent photos of the balcony and all along the back wall to the corner where Alexandra's balcony once stood and up the side there too.  Does anybody have any?  I assume it is not possible to go down that side of the palace, is that correct?  Thanks


The green wooden fence is gone; now there is a chain-link fence but it is only a matter of feet away from the back of the AP - you are quite close to the semicircular hall.

It is more difficult to walk up the side where A. had her balcony but you can get very decent pictures of that corner and up the side from the back park.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 07, 2009, 03:18:01 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/RussiaEdenProject127-1.jpg)
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on February 08, 2009, 08:47:02 PM
Thanks for that Robert.  I guess you can't get very close at all to the balcony side.  Tracy
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on February 08, 2009, 08:55:47 PM
I was hoping that area was more accessible so that maybe you could tell where the balcony posts used to be.  By the way, where was the door leading onto Alexandra's balcony?  I know it is there is no longer; I assume a window was made into a door and now is back to being a window.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Cathy on February 09, 2009, 03:09:50 PM
I wish that I could post my pictures but unfortunately they are not digital and I do not have a scanner.
One can get much closer than Robert's picture indicates. The green wooden fence in his picture is covering a 'garbage area' of used rusty metal pieces etc. behind and between the kitchen and AP.
I have never seen any indication of balcony posts.
As many times as I have looked and looked I have never been able to figure out where the door to the balcony was and so I assume that a window was used as replacement.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Cathy on February 09, 2009, 03:15:47 PM
Please note that BobG has already said that the door to the balcony was in the Maple Room.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on February 09, 2009, 03:25:52 PM
Thanks to Cathy.  Another question:  can you still make out the paths that ran the outside of the palace (in the area around Alexandra's balcony and towards the balcony from the semi-circle hall).  I've wondered if they were paved or just dirt paths.  I have also been trying to figure out the spot where there used to be a huge vase in the garden outside the back of the palace.  There is a picture of the tutor and other people around the vase and I can tell the AP is behind it, but I can't figure out which part of the palace I'm viewing.  Anybody know?
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Mary Breheny on February 09, 2009, 06:16:38 PM
When I was at the Alexander Palace in October I attempted to walk around the side of the building where Alexandra's balcony had been located.  I got inside the fenced-in area but a woman came running over to me and indicated that I wasn't to go in there.  I can't say that she was rude, and I didn't feel intimidated -- although I certainly didn't argue with her!  No one else questioned me while I rambled all over the Alexander Park.  It was interesting to see mothers (and one grandfather) pushing baby carriages in the park.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 09, 2009, 06:54:43 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Markhall/RussiaEdenProject126.jpg)
 Cathy and Mary are correct, you can get closer, but at your peril. We had to stay at a distance to get the pictures we wanted. And, we were on a search for the former kitchens.
 As for the paths, I think they were gravel originally.  They are just dirt now, as I recall. A lot of work  must be done to restore the park, let alone the palace itself. But, this takes money, which we all know is in short supply at this time. As for the urns in the park, I did not notice any at all, but then, we did not go far into it. I imagine they were carried off for other uses in other places.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Cathy on February 12, 2009, 06:43:17 AM
I heard there was a race couse and a golf course near the palaces. Does anyone know where they were and have any photos of same.
There was the Hippodrome in Tsarskoe Selo - see Race Track thread under TS Town for details.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on February 13, 2009, 06:12:48 PM
The golf course is near the ruins of the Bablov Palace.  I've tried to look on Google Earth to see the course, but I can't make it out.  I read an article at some point, discussing the number of old trees that were cut down in order to build the course.  I can't remember where the article was, it was on my old computer that caught a virus, so now I'm on a new computer, without all my favorite links.  Which leads me to ask if anyone can direct me to a site that translates Russian to English;  I like to cut and paste words to be translated.  Sorry I've disgressed FA...
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 13, 2009, 06:20:04 PM
I did not know there was a golf course in the park or if I did, I had long forgotten about it. But, if the tennis courts are any indication, I would bet it is unrecognisable now.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on February 14, 2009, 10:48:04 PM
I found the article about the golf course, I hope its okay to post it?   
Babolovsky park оздоравливают "a surgical" method St.-Petersburg, on April, 30th. There is a mass cutting down of century trees in Pushkin's Babolovsky park. On it to the correspondent of news agency "Rosbalt-Peterburg" was informed the chairman of regional department of a society of protection of monuments of the Pushkin city district by Galina Gruzdev. As she said (and to photos) the considerable quantity of trees is cut already down. After cutting down trunks burn. And on Monday the technics on destruction of stubs worked. For today all century trees along Taitsky water water are cut down, left only "thin" trees.« Instead of park the glade with rare trees »was formed, — Galina Gruzdev makes comments. She has noticed that under the official version, cutting down is a result of that Management of a landscape gardening economy (УСПХ) spends sanitary-preventive work. On it to it was informed by workers who conduct cutting down. And also one of the officials which name the chairman of regional department of a society did not begin to disclose. But, under its version,« roots grow »from the project of Tsarskoselsky golf club. They have already redeemed a dispensary of Izhora factory which costs on park border. And years five cannot already obtain the permit to work in park. We will remind that the Babolovsky park is located on Pushkin's suburb from outside Red Village.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on April 18, 2009, 02:27:32 PM
In some of the newer pictures of the bridges just down from the semi circle balcony, it looks like some repairs have been done to the mortar between the blocks.  Has anyone got a picture they could post?
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on April 25, 2009, 10:25:40 PM
In some of the photo's taken from the balcony, you can see a little bit of the garden below.  Does anyone know what the layout was of that left side garden?  Was the gate that is there now (to the left of the imperial entrance) original to Nicholas and Alexandra's time? 
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on July 12, 2009, 04:13:58 PM
I did a forum search for the Orangeries or Greenhouses in the Alexander Park and came up with nothing.  Does anybody have any recent pics of the greenhouses?
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Nemos on March 08, 2010, 08:36:41 AM
Бенуа
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,136/id,6907/

Бунуа и Лансере
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,201/id,6908/
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on March 13, 2010, 12:55:23 AM
Thanks Nemo.  Do you have any information on my previous questions:  the garden next to Alexandra's Balcony(was gate there then?), and dang I forgot the other. Many thanks for the pictures and information.  Tracy
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Nemos on March 23, 2010, 10:42:39 AM
За Александровским дворцом был собственный Его Величества сад фото
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,viewcategory/catid,491/
раньше сад имел не высокую ограду, как и садик её величества в Екатерининском парке.

Ворота стоящие сейчас около Александровского дворца, стандартые. Думаю это Чихачёвские, как самые близкие по установке рядом, фото
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,234/id,3885/
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Nemos on March 24, 2010, 02:28:07 AM
Почему стандартные ворота? ... Вот фото ворот в Отдельном (Нижнем) парке.
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,325/id,1284/
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on March 13, 2011, 10:58:53 PM
Hope this question is not a repeat, but I'm wondering about the garden that the IF made while imprisoned at AP?  Is that area (I believe between right side of palace and childrens island) accessible today and what does it look like now?  BTW, in the photos I never saw anything growing in the garden?
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: EmmyLee on March 14, 2011, 01:05:54 PM
I believe that that is because they were still planting the garden at the time those photos were taken. Today, the area is probably overgrown with grass and weeds; you probably wouldn't be able to tell that there had been a garden there if you didn't know before walking around the area.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Sarushka on March 14, 2011, 03:43:41 PM
These are the only photos in my collection that appear to show vegetables growing in the kitchen garden:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_tatsoldier.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/?action=view&current=tatsoldier.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_RA8-Vk2HNagorny.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/?action=view&current=RA8-Vk2HNagorny.jpg)
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on March 16, 2011, 09:15:07 PM
Wow, thanks, I've never seen those pics!
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Joanna on April 07, 2011, 06:41:17 PM
The garden extended on the east side from the long vista (which led from the AP semi-circular hall through  the New Garden, etc.) to the south at the Krestovy Canal and from the west the path along the Children’s Island pond. It appears to extend to the north only up to the right wing of the AP. Did the locals reap the harvest in August 1917? It is more than probable that the custodians/workers of the AP continued the garden in 1918 and beyond to the early 1920s. The museum had opened in June 1918. The land had been tilled, food shortages were becoming desperate.

Alexandr Polovtsov in “Les trйsors d'art en Russie sous le rйgime bolcheviste” wrote that in 1918 “…At Tsarskoe Selo, in August, when the nights were already dark and cold, the guardian of the Chinese Theatre, who had built a garden there in the open park, complained to me that he and his wife were sleeping in turns because every night others were coming to steal their apples and turnips, etc…”

The American Relief Administration (ARA) headed by Herbert Hoover were installed in the AP Kitchen building by 1921 until the relief ceased in the summer of 1923.

Joanna
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Sanochka on June 06, 2011, 06:06:57 PM
I've never seen the pics posted above Joanna's post, either.  Wow!  They're so unposed, especially the photo on the left.  The Grand Duchess looks so natural and relaxed, while the guard looks stony.

It looks like a nice crop of cabbages in both photos.  Some of the leaves in the photo on the left look as though they're being eaten by bugs.

I've translated one of GD Olga's postcards posted elsewhere on this site.  She writes to a friend, "... Our kitchen garden flourishes..."
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on March 02, 2013, 10:36:43 AM
Does anyone know if the two metal bridges over the channel have been restored,painted,repaired?  I am especially interested in the bridge where tatianna and nII were photographed while under guard. Also while looking at google earth, it looks like the paths around the semi circle balcony have been paved or something. Any new info of that or the area around the side of alexandra's balcony? thanks tracy
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: EmmyLee on March 02, 2013, 04:05:49 PM
Oh wow, I hadn't looked at the palace on Google Earth in a while. I'm curious what they're doing in the back of the palace and then around the left wing of the palace. You're right, it does look like a paved path. It would be nice to see ground level photos of what's going on back there.

As for those bridges, I thought for sure I'd seen photos of them restored but I can't find any in my Photobucket account. I do have one photo of a different bridge in the park that Alan took and it is restored, so I'd assume those other two are as well.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on April 03, 2013, 11:40:24 PM
Somewhere I think I have seen recent pics of the double metal bridges that are down the avenue from the semi circle balcony and they appear to be painted white.
I would like to kindly ask any of you lucky people that are visitors or local residents of the Alexander Palace to recreate a picture and pose where the tsar and alexie were as they were standing between the two bridges with the palace visible in the background. It seems the photographer was on the other side of the channel.  I am also longing to see a picture in the middle of the two alley paths that lead down to these bridges. There are lots of pics of the green area in the middle of the paths, but none of the paths between the trees.  Lastly, could someone try and take a pic of the tsars garden where the family was working on while under arrest, from the same angles of the well known photos? Maybe there could be a new thread of famous IF photo spots recreated to show before and now. I turn 50 this year and I am becoming more doubtful that I will ever make it to Tsarskoe Selo, so thanks to all on this board for my virtual visits.  Tracy
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Carisbrooke on April 05, 2013, 01:59:21 AM
THEN AND NOW THREAD
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=12241.0 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=12241.0)         for pastpalacelife.
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: pastpalacelife on April 05, 2013, 03:18:45 PM
Oops! 'thanks
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: EmmyLee on April 17, 2013, 04:35:55 PM
Does anyone have any idea what they're doing outside the AP? Is it a paved path?

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/Places/AP%20Exterior%20and%20Park/Park%20Views/th_winterpark_zps45453882.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/visga/media/Places/AP%20Exterior%20and%20Park/Park%20Views/winterpark_zps45453882.jpg.html)
Title: Re: A Question Regarding The Alexander Park
Post by: Sanochka on April 17, 2013, 04:45:00 PM
It sure looks like it.  Either that or a temporary road for construction vehicles.