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Title: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Michael_II on February 05, 2006, 11:45:39 AM
How was the relationship between Pss. Alexandra and Queen Marie of Romania after WWI?  I do seem to remember seeing a picture of the sisters together at King Ferdinand's funeral in 1927.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Prince_Christopher on February 05, 2006, 07:40:42 PM
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8916/alex22cw.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Prince_Christopher on February 05, 2006, 07:46:38 PM
I agree, she does deserve her own thread.  I've often thought she was the most overlooked of the 4 sisters, and also the prettiest.  She didn't make a fabulous marriage like Missy, Ducky, or even Baby Bee, and spend a glamorous life at foreign courts.  She married close to home, really sort of back into the family.  She also didn't seem to be quite as much of a drama queen as were her sisters.

I wonder if QV had a hand in arranging Sandra's marriage to her greatnephew?
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Prince_Christopher on February 05, 2006, 07:55:25 PM
A little background information:

Alexandra Louise Olga Victoria (b.1878, Coburg; d.1942, Langenburg)

m. Prince Ernst Wilhelm of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (1863-1950)

Children:

Gottfried Victor, b.1897
Marie Melita, b.1899
Alexandra Beatrice, b.1901
Irma Helene, b.1902
Alfred, b.and d. 1911

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4397/alex19ai.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on February 06, 2006, 08:11:34 AM
You think she's the prettiest? I'm not meaning to be snarky (honestly) but why? Her features always seemed really heavy to me and her eyes small. I'm not a fan of Ducky's looks (except her eyes) but I can't see Sandra beating Missy or Bee.

She apparently could be quite the drama queen--capable of hissy fits. I was surprised by this as I've always considered her a real dullard. Eric's noted on other threads that she was jealous and whining. She cheated on her husband--who was really a cultured and intelligent man.

As I've mentioned before, when you're an ardent (not a misstaken one or a person who feels pressured into joining) Nazi supporter, I just have trouble getting past that.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on February 06, 2006, 08:19:28 AM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/booboogbs/Alexandra_Sandra.jpg)
Sandra

Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on February 06, 2006, 08:35:51 AM
Regarding Sandra's children:

Gottfried (1897-1960); m.1931 Princess Margarita of Greece and Denmark (1905-1981). Margarita was the daughter of Princess Alice of Battenberg and Prince Andrew of Greece and thus the sister of Prince Philip. So both were descendants of Queen Victoria (great-grandson and great-great-granddaughter respectively). If I'm remembering correctly Gottfried was involved in the whole Gloria Vanderbilt Sr scandals and was perhaps friends with George Milford-Haven (Margarita's uncle) and his wife Nada and they ran in a pretty fast set. I can't remember it all but I remember in the book 'Little Gloria Happy at Last' Gottfried was mentioned in there--perhaps an affair with Gloria's sister? I'll have to dig around more.

Marie Melita (1899-1967); m.1916 Wilhelm Friedrich, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein (of the Sonderberg-Glucksburg line) (1891-1965). MM was the only one of the daughters to marry and hers was a wartime wedding. He was the son of 'Calma' of S-H (Dona's sister) and thus a nephew of Dona. The Coburgs were much involved with the German rulers which could be how the 2 met. He was the brother of Victoria Adelhaid (who married Sandra's cousin Charles Edward, Duke of Coburg), Alexandra Victoria who married Dona's son August Wilhelm, Helena who married Prince Harold of Denmark.  

Alexandra (1901-1963)  

Irma (1902-1986)  

Alfred (16 Apr 1911-18 Apr 1911)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on February 06, 2006, 08:40:50 AM
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Some more of Sandra, just for fun  :D

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/sandraernst.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/sandra.jpg)

Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Michael_II on February 06, 2006, 09:10:28 AM
So Pss. Alexandra cheated on her husband and even told her mother that he was an Idiot.  He seemly was in love with her and had to convince the Grand Duchess Marie to allow him to marry Alexandra.  Were they reconciled after the affair?
 They are buried in the cemetery at Langenburg although their graves are somewhat apart.  See:http://www.royaltyguide.nl for pictures of the graves.  Select "countries" then "Germany" and then
Langenburg to get there.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Laura_ on February 06, 2006, 09:27:11 AM
OMG thanks everybody  :D :D grandduchessella you are our treasure thanks a lot for your entire hard work :)

Michael_II the relation with her sister Marie was a good one,Sandra was a great aunt for Marie's children especially Mignon who used to live with her and thus get fatter and fatter since Sandra was a great cook ;D ;D
i think the relation stayed the same after the war,they have always been close sisters;Ducky's death reunited them for the last time :(

Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Prince_Christopher on February 06, 2006, 10:48:03 AM
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If I'm remembering correctly Gottfried was involved in the whole Gloria Vanderbilt Sr scandals and was perhaps friends with George Milford-Haven (Margarita's uncle) and his wife Nada and they ran in a pretty fast set. I can't remember it all but I remember in the book 'Little Gloria Happy at Last' Gottfried was mentioned in there--perhaps an affair with Gloria's sister? I'll have to dig around more.
 


Gottfried was engaged for a time to Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt (Gloria, Sr.), in 1927, I believe.

Anyone know what Alexandra thought about this?
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Prince_Christopher on February 06, 2006, 10:52:22 AM
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Alexandra (1901-1963)  
 
Irma (1902-1986)  
 


Anyone know why these two never married?
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Marlene on February 06, 2006, 11:11:07 AM
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Gottfried was engaged for a time to Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt (Gloria, Sr.), in 1927, I believe.

Anyone know what Alexandra thought about this?


Probably not a lot.  However, I am not sure if this engagement was actually official, as it was unlikely that Gottfried's father never would have approved of it.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Marlene on February 06, 2006, 11:12:12 AM
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Anyone know why these two never married?



Well, that would be something private, don't you think as  the two women were not public officials.  
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Michael_II on February 06, 2006, 12:21:23 PM
Thank you everybody for your great input :o I had no idea a simple comment would turn into such a great thread.  Keep it up :D  I have always been a little intrigued by Pss. Alexandra.  Even if she was prone to throw a hissy fit ( and who hasn't at one time) or whine
(Again see above ;D)  Keeping in mind trying to compete with two better know high spirited sisters in Missy and
Victoria Melita aka Ducky would rather frustrate one.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Prince_Christopher on February 06, 2006, 01:37:09 PM
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Thank you everybody for your great input :o I had no idea a simple comment would turn into such a great thread.  Keep it up :D  I have always been a little intrigued by Pss. Alexandra.  Even if she was prone to throw a hissy fit ( and who hasn't at one time) or whine
(Again see above ;D)  Keeping in mind trying to compete with two better know high spirited sisters in Missy and
Victoria Melita aka Ducky would rather frustrate one.


Good one, Michael! LOL!  ;D  Competing with those two WOULD have certainly been trying at times, as many sibling relationships can be.  I am not surprised that she was capable of being a diva at times, look who her mother was.  I just thought she was the LEAST dramatic of the sisters.  

Anyway, that's why we needed a thread on her--to learn more about her life. :)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 06, 2006, 01:46:19 PM
Sandra looks very pretty in some of the photos, i alays thought she was rather plain! What a simple grave she has!!  :)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Laura_ on February 06, 2006, 03:20:01 PM
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One more picture of the Edinburghs-Coburgs.(including GD Pavel Romanov)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/MP/cob.jpg)

The caption says that there are 3 daughters of Duke Alfred : Beatrice, Alexandra and Victoria in the picture. Actually I see only Baby Bee and Sandra (with her husband by her side). Who is that woman at back? Could be Charly of Saxe-Meiningen? (btw, a woman has some resemblance to GDss Maria Pavlovna-elder  :))

Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Laura_ on February 06, 2006, 03:24:59 PM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/m197501113441.jpg)


Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2006, 08:20:47 PM
I think the last one came from the Crisp book.

Sandra's daughter Princess Alexandra ("Dolly") was very close to Baby Bee and her family and later moved to live in Spain.  ;)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Prince_Christopher on February 06, 2006, 09:20:03 PM
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You think she's the prettiest? I'm not meaning to be snarky (honestly) but why? Her features always seemed really heavy to me and her eyes small. I'm not a fan of Ducky's looks (except her eyes) but I can't see Sandra beating Missy or Bee.







I think she was a "natural" beauty, especially as a younger woman.  Yes, I agree, she paled in comparison to the glaring loveliness of Missy and the stunning fashionability of Ducky, but she was certainly prettier than Helena's girls or the Wales girls.  I think she may have been overshadowed somewhat by her more illustrious sisters as is sometimes the case.  Just my opinion! :)

BTW, thanks for all the lovely pictures! :D
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2006, 09:24:41 PM
She greatly resembled her mother, Marie Coburg.  :-/
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Linnea on February 07, 2006, 01:49:38 AM
Did you know that Aleaxndra had a driver´s licence? And this in 1909! Very few women had one at this time.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 07, 2006, 04:20:50 AM
Yes...impressive indeed !

I think I have seen somewhere there is one photo of her driving a car... ???
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Laura_ on February 07, 2006, 08:48:24 AM
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I think she was a "natural" beauty, especially as a younger woman.  Yes, I agree, she paled in comparison to the glaring loveliness of Missy and the stunning fashionability of Ducky, but she was certainly prettier than Helena's girls or the Wales girls.  I think she may have been overshadowed somewhat by her more illustrious sisters as is sometimes the case.  Just my opinion! :)

BTW, thanks for all the lovely pictures! :D



i agree !!!!! Sandra was a lovely girl in her youth,and IMO she equals Ducky and Bee...as for Missy ah she overshadowed her 3 sisters and many of her cousins too :) i think also that Sandra was prettier than Maria Alexandrovna as compared in their youth

thanks everyone for continuing this great thread :Dlove it :)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Agneschen on February 07, 2006, 09:24:23 AM
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I think she was a "natural" beauty, especially as a younger woman.  Yes, I agree, she paled in comparison to the glaring loveliness of Missy and the stunning fashionability of Ducky, but she was certainly prettier than Helena's girls or the Wales girls.  I


I agree. She was no glaring beauty of course but she cannot be dismissed as downright plain. I think she looks much better than her English cousins. According to me, Bee was the loveliest among the Edinburgh sisters - she lacked Missy's glamour but combined her fine features and Ducky's dark hair/blue eyes.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2006, 04:19:19 AM
I think she was the plainest looking of the four sisters. That lack ultimately developed into jealousy, as shown when the time comes to divide their mother's property after her death. She took the lion's share and wanted more, but Ducky would have none of it and confronted her sister, with Missy's proxy at hand. utimately she end up with the biggest share, while Bee end up with the least.  >:(
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: LenelorMiksi on February 16, 2006, 11:37:25 PM
Ahh, the unhappy inheritance story.  I think Sandra was more jealous of Ducky and Missy's closeness than their beauty.  In pictures of them as little girls she's usually hanging on to Ducky or gazing at the two longingly.  There's so much missing in what I've heard of Sandra's life.  What was she interested in?  What were her hobbies besides cooking?  Missy sings her praises, but Marie Coburg says she's the most boring of her brood, less beautiful and intelligent.  However, Marie Coburg was an incredibly harsh critic.  Sandra and Affie Jr. were her least favorite children, Affie probably coming last because she thought girls were so much nicer than boys.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Laura_ on February 17, 2006, 05:31:33 AM
i don't think Sandra was jealous :-/
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 17, 2006, 10:42:23 AM
She was ! Moreover she was not well and always complain of headaches. When the time comes for the jewels she selfishly grabs the most. Ducky refused to budge and stood firm. A third party came through and got things divided in a more orferly fashion. It was quite a while before the other three forgave Sandra.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: LenelorMiksi on February 17, 2006, 03:52:48 PM
Is not being physically well a personal defect?  I guess Queen Alexandra of GB must have been a horrible person, then, since she was almost completely deaf.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 17, 2006, 08:24:25 PM
No...I don't mean that at all. I am saying not only was she was not well. Her headaches comes with rages. Not even Marie Coburg was spared from them. Does illness excuse people from being selfish ? No I should think not ! As for Queen Alexandra, George V said "My mother was one of the most selfish person I knew." Her treatment of Toria made her less than perfect in her nieces eye, as even Grand Duchesswas troubled "because Alix was so good."
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: LenelorMiksi on February 18, 2006, 02:07:43 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/LenelorMiksi/SandraGotha.jpg)

Another photo of Princess Alexandra.  Are there any from her wedding or confirmation?
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on February 18, 2006, 11:25:34 PM
There was one published in either the ILN or the Graphic when she married as well as some sketches. She had a pretty wedding dress.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 19, 2006, 12:30:11 AM
Yes...There are quite a few people at her wedding including Mary, the Duchess of York.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on February 19, 2006, 01:30:01 PM
Some of the guests:

Ernie & Ducky
Missy & Nando
Affie & Marie
Wilhelm II & Dona
Vladimir & Miechen
George & May
Baby Bee & Alfred Jr
Charly
Philip Coburg
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 20, 2006, 05:21:23 AM
Yes...Philip of Coburg was a close friend of Marie Coburg. Don't know much about that friendship.  ???
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: dp5486 on March 06, 2006, 05:10:41 PM
Where did Sandra and her family live during WWI? I thought I remembered reading in one of Queen Marie of Roumania's biographies that their mother, the Duchess of Coburg lived with them during this time.
Is this the reason why she thought she deserved the biggest part of her mother's estate.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 06, 2006, 08:01:47 PM
No...It was because she was the nearest to the Duchess that she was able to con her mother into giving a lot of stuff to her including the ruby parure. The sisters took long time before they could forgive Sandra for her greed. No again Marie Coburg died in a hotel, she did not live with Sandra during that time... :(
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: lababoc on September 14, 2006, 11:09:46 AM
I wonder what the  Marie Grand Duchess  Coburg  nee  Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna would think of  people  calling her Marie Coburg.......just a thought... since according to the  some authors when called FRAU COBURG she collapsed..and died
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: imperial angel on September 14, 2006, 11:37:00 AM
This princess was pretty, if not quite the stunner her sisters were. Her beauty was unique and shines out from these photos. Thanks for them all! Sandra tends to be overlooked, because of her interesting and beautiful sisters. However, her personality cannot be said to be as attractive as her looks; there is much evidence of that. It seems she was a bit daring, abd uncoventional like her sister Ducky in some ways. As for her son Gottfried, and Gloria Vanderbilt senior, they were sort of engaged and defintely had a affair. They may have intended to marry, but if Gloria senior was to marry him, then she would have to live on his income I believe, and not the funds that she did, from her daughter, to support a household for her, and she didn't want to this. Also, her daughter's custody would have been out of her hands probably, and this was the reason the money would be gone as well. I can't think that Sandra could have liked this, at all, because I am sure she wanted him to marry equally to fellow royalty.He did eventually, of course, but I wonder how having his name become rather controversial made her feel. I have never read anything about it though I have wondered about it since I learned of it.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 14, 2006, 10:00:17 PM
Sandra suffered much violent headaches and made her nature unstable. Her greed on the Coburg inheitance cost her her sister's friendship and quite awhile passed before they could forgive Sandra (who in a fit slapped Baby Bee). However she would be glad that her son end up with a royal bride (Prince Philip's sister, Princess Margarita of Greece). In fact both Ducky and Missy came to the wedding in Lagenburg, although Baby Bee was absent from it.  ???
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: imperial angel on September 18, 2006, 12:31:12 PM
Sandra does seem less interesting than her siblings.They might have been difficult at times, but perhaps their other qualities made up for that. She seems just to have been difficult.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Keith on September 18, 2006, 07:01:23 PM
Sandra may have been greedy, but I find it difficult to believe Marie Coburg ever let anyone con her. Dividing it 4 ways would have been the easiest, but maybe Marie C thougth Missy being a Queen, and Ducky a Russian Imperial Highness had enough of their own jewels. She probably thought the Russians would be restored and Ducky would get all her jewels back. Not sure how she figured Bee into the picture, but in the end it was her decision.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 19, 2006, 01:51:15 AM
You were correct. Baby Bee was left with the least. She had every reason to be unhappy about the division. In Marie Coburg's letters she talked about Sandra always asking for things and as the daughter closest to her, Marie Coburg saw fit to give her more. When the division came, Both Ducky (also acting for Missy) and Bee made their unhappiness known and challenged Sandra. It was a break and took a long time to heal.  >:(
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: imperial angel on September 20, 2006, 08:44:52 AM
It seems those things in families do take along time to heal, if ever. Those involved should have known that.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 20, 2006, 11:20:03 PM
I know that it healed between Sandra with Missy & Ducky. Bee I do not know.  ???
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: imperial angel on September 21, 2006, 10:25:04 AM
Neither do I; I don't know much about this youngest daughter.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 21, 2006, 11:41:45 AM
I do know a bit...I think they did reconcil at a later date. Bee's granddaughter knew Kraft (Sandra's son) well, but not his son.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: TampaBay on September 22, 2006, 08:03:45 PM

Her greed on the Coburg inheitance cost her her sister's friendship and quite awhile passed before they could forgive Sandra (who in a fit slapped Baby Bee).


What is the story regarding this "greed".

TampaBay
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 23, 2006, 09:06:39 AM
Sandra reciving the lion's share of Marie Coburg's pocessions after her mother'death.  :(
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: basilforever on December 30, 2006, 02:29:38 PM
Where can I find anymore information around here about Sandra's two younger daughters, Princess Alexandra Beatrice and Princess Irma Helene?

I know they did not marry. Did they have any romances or any children? So the only descendents of Sandra are through her son Gottfried and her oldest daughter Princess Marie Melita?

Sandra also had a son named Prince Alfred who lived for two days - 16-18 April 1911.  :'(

What did he die of, does anyone know?  ???

Do Sandra's daughters Irma and Alexandra have their own thread/s?
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Aliss_Kande on December 30, 2006, 09:42:22 PM
I do not believe that any of Sandra's children have their own threads.  However, I too would like to learn more about them.  I had no idea she had had another son!
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: basilforever on December 30, 2006, 10:02:10 PM
Sandra died when she was quite young - only 64 I think.  :(

What did she die of? Her husband was fifteen years older than her and he lived eight years more after Sandra died.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: trentk80 on December 31, 2006, 06:51:01 AM
I know that Sandra's daughter Alexandra was very close to her aunt Beatrice ("Baby Bee") and she spent a lot of time with her in Spain, where she bought an estate.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eddie_uk on December 31, 2006, 08:45:46 AM
Sandra died when she was quite young - only 64 I think.  :(


So many of Queen Victorias grandchildren only survived into there 60s. Quite sad really. Do any of Alexandras letters to her grandmother QV survive?
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: ashdean on December 31, 2006, 12:50:17 PM
Sandra died when she was quite young - only 64 I think.  :(


So many of Queen Victorias grandchildren only survived into there 60s. Quite sad really. Do any of Alexandras letters to her grandmother QV survive?
Sadly so much of the families  souveniers were lost in the 1963 fire...The Winterhalters were perhaps the greatest tragedy..but not the only one...

[Sorry, this wasn't really edited--I hit 'modify' instead of 'quote'. :-[ ]
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: allanraymond on December 31, 2006, 06:53:29 PM
I can't recollect my original source, Alfred died two days after his birth from heart failure.

Allan Raymond


Sandra also had a son named Prince Alfred who lived for two days - 16-18 April 1911.  :'(

What did he die of, does anyone know?  ???
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on December 31, 2006, 07:28:53 PM
Sad about the son--was he premature?

The best sources of info for Alexandra and her family that I've found are Marlene's Queen Victoria's Descendants and, for Alexandra alone, a series of articles in Royalty Digest.

I think 2 of the daughters were ardent Nazi supporters, like their mother and other Coburg relatives. One source said they were 'noisy' about it.

None of the daughters seem very remarkable but Gottfried led a somewhat colorful life as a young man.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on December 31, 2006, 07:31:38 PM
Sandra died when she was quite young - only 64 I think.  :(


So many of Queen Victorias grandchildren only survived into there 60s. Quite sad really. Do any of Alexandras letters to her grandmother QV survive?
Sadly so much of the families  souveniers were lost in the 1963 fire...The Winterhalters were perhaps the greatest tragedy..but not the only one...



Which Winterhalters were lost?
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Bsquared on January 18, 2007, 05:39:09 AM
Would anyone have further details on the marriage of Alexandra's son Gottfried to Margarita of Greece?  I saw an article that mentioned that Queen Marie of Roumania and Victoria Melita of Russia were attending the wedding.  I wonder if Victoria Milford Haven, Grand Duke Ernest Ludwig and Grand Duchess Eleonore attended as well, due to their closeness to Margarita of Greece?  It would have been interesting to have the two "factions" of the Ernie-Ducky saga at the wedding.

It is also interesting that Gottfried and Margarita used the names Ernest Ludwig and Melita in the names of their children (middle names).   
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on January 18, 2007, 08:52:09 AM
No, Ernie and Eleanor weren't there--that probably would've been awkward.  :P I don't think that Ernie and VM crossed paths after Elizabeth's funeral. However, both Ernie's sons with Eleanor were there--George Donatus was wed (or would wed soon) Cecile of Greece, Margarita's sister.

Wedding guests (based on a photo in a book so it's based on the caption not any precedence):
Philip of Greece; Hans & Peter of Schleswig-Holsten; CPss Louise of Sweden (nee Battenberg/Mountbatten); Victoria Milford-Haven; Sandra, Missy and Victoria Melita; Princess Nicholas of Greece (nee GDss Helen of Russia, Ducky's sister-in-law and Margarita's aunt-by-marriage); Marie Melita of Schleswig-Holstein (sister of groom); Ludwig & George Donatus of Hesse, with Cecile of Greece; Elisabeth of Greece; Irma & Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenberg; Berthold of Baden & Theodora of Greece(soon to marry ); Peter of Greece; Ernst of Hohenlohe-Langenberg; Christopher & Sophie of Hesse (nee Greece); George of Greece; Feodora of Leiningen; Emich of Leiningen; various members of the different branches of the Hohelohe tree (Hohenlohe-Wladenburg & Hohenlohe-Schillingsfurst, Hohenlohe-Jagstberg); Rene & Margarethe of Bourbon-Parma (nee Denmark); Karl of Hohenlohe-Langenburg; Friedrich, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein; Kira of Russia; Heinrich XIV of Reuss; Marie of Leiningen (nee Russia); Karl  of Leiningen
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Bsquared on January 18, 2007, 08:24:26 PM
Thank you again, Grandduchessella!

It seems Gottfried and Margarita were able to navigate the Ducky-Ernest issue without any real problems, all sides were well represented.  The same thing for the Kent-Greece wedding, all of the factions were there!
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: aussiechick12 on April 19, 2007, 12:35:27 AM
Are there any photo's of her on her wedding day?
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on April 19, 2007, 07:26:33 AM
Sketch from The Graphic

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Photo from The Sketch

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Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Laura_ on April 19, 2007, 07:57:30 AM
thanks for posting this rare pic!!

the third Edinburgh princess looking  sad on her wedding day too...just like her sisters.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: HerrKaiser on April 19, 2007, 08:55:14 AM
What was Alexandra's involvement with the nazi regime up until her death? Did she and her children not join the party early on?
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: bell_the_cat on April 20, 2007, 04:49:17 PM
What was Alexandra's involvement with the nazi regime up until her death? Did she and her children not join the party early on?

They joined the party in May 1938 (Ernst, I think, a year earlier).... not very good timing!
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: HerrKaiser on April 20, 2007, 06:21:18 PM
no, but it is interesting how it seems she is not getting the 'bad press' that others in the relations have gotten because of their being in the nazi party. of course, there are degrees to which nazi party members were bad vs good people, but Alexandra seems to have not had the litmus test applied yet to her. And I cannot find any details on her views, actions, or involvements during the war or within nazi circles.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on April 20, 2007, 07:23:54 PM
She and 2 of her daughters were described somewhere (by Charlotte Zeepvat?) as rather noisy supporters. They might not get the attention because a) they're women b) fairly obscure today and c) didn't have any real power or position of their own so there wasn't the same platform opportunity of those princes who had staff positions or became fairly high-ranking members.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: bell_the_cat on April 21, 2007, 03:13:39 AM
Alexandra and her children all joined up on the same day in May 1938 (according to the "Royals and the Reich" book  - Ernst had joined the previous year) and as this was five years after Hitler came to power so it might be that they joined to gain some favour. For example, such an action would ease the way for a promotion for one of the sons. It seems to me to be rather late to join, if they were indeed "enthusiastic supporters".

In 1933 many people (even their supporters) thought that the Nazis would not last long in power. By 1938, they looked much more like a permanent fixture, especially after the annexation of Austria that year. So it might have seemed like a wise move to sign up. I wonder what they thought of the Kristallnacht in November that year, though..........
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: HerrKaiser on April 21, 2007, 11:11:35 AM
that makes sense, but I think joining in when it starts to look advantageous is even more of an indictment of passively or actively endorsing the party's agenda. 'jumping on the band wagon' are enablers who are often times the force and power behind a movement.

That said, this was the same period when many world notables thought this national socialist invention had something going for it. Ford, Kennedy, of course the Windsors, Lindberg, Brundage and others said some fairly positive things about what was going on at that time.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: basilforever on April 21, 2007, 03:06:34 PM
Well Ford and Lindbergh at least were virulent anti-semites so of course they would think the Nazis were good.  >:(
I too would like to know more about Sandra's and her children's involvement with the Nazi party, and what they said/thought about it after the war. ???
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on April 21, 2007, 09:17:52 PM
are there any more pictures of sandra when she was little?
because i haven't seen many...compared to Marie and Victoria Melita
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 22, 2007, 01:20:01 PM
See Charlotte Zeepvat's books...They have a lot of baby pictures including some of Sandra.  ;)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on April 22, 2007, 03:33:04 PM
Well, I would encourage anyone to buy CZ's books--they're absolute musts. However, there is one photo of Sandra as a youngster out of the 3 books (From Cradle to Crown, QV's Family, and Camera and the Tsars).
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: bell_the_cat on April 22, 2007, 04:01:43 PM
that makes sense, but I think joining in when it starts to look advantageous is even more of an indictment of passively or actively endorsing the party's agenda. 'jumping on the band wagon' are enablers who are often times the force and power behind a movement.

That said, this was the same period when many world notables thought this national socialist invention had something going for it. Ford, Kennedy, of course the Windsors, Lindberg, Brundage and others said some fairly positive things about what was going on at that time.

Sorry, folks,  the date was actually May 1 1937. It was the same day that many other royals joined the party (e.g. "Mossy", Georg Donatus of Hesse, his wife Cecile and brother Ludwig). According to "The Royals and the Reich" certain people were not able to be members up till then, and this was the first day they were allowed to join. Alexandra's daughter Alexandra had already joined in 1933, so maybe she was a more enthusiastic  Nazi.

Otherwise I agree with you, Herr Kaiser, that a passive endorsement of the Nazi agenda is every bit as bad as an active one...
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 23, 2007, 02:16:07 AM
Well I cannot agree with you too. A lot of them joined because of afraid of persecution and fear. That is not the same as getting in uniform and parading in pleasure.  >:(
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: basilforever on April 23, 2007, 12:33:05 PM
Mmm, I agree Eric. A passive endorsement is not every bit as bad as an active one, especially if the passive endorsement was done under pressure, or done reluctantly. I an not sure exactly of why Sandra passively endorsed the party. :-\
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 24, 2007, 04:34:06 AM
Well...I think there was political pressure to conform. Even if you do however you might still end up like poor Princess Malfeda or Crown Princess Antonia of Bavaria.  :(
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on April 24, 2007, 10:51:06 AM
CPss Antonia ended up the way she did (her health ruined after being interned) because he husband Rupprecht wouldn't conform and was a serious pain to the Nazi party, going all the way back to the Munich Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. Rupprecht & Antonia even educated their children in England and prevented them from becoming members of the Hitler Youth. In order to avoid membership in the Nazi University Student Corps, Rupert's nephew Ludwig withdrew from his university in Germany, and began studies at the University of Budapest. The Bavarian royals actually stood up to the Nazi regime rather than conforming. While Rupprecht escaped the Nazis, his wife, their children and Rupprecht's grandchildren (by his eldest son) paid the price. Mafalda paid the price (dying in agony at Buchenwald) for her father's (King Victor Emmanuel of Italy) falling out with Hitler. In May 1943 Hitler issued the "Decree Concerning Internationally Connected Men" declaring that princes, including Mafalda's husband Philip, could not hold positions in the party, state, or armed forces. The arrest of Mussolini by King Victor Emanuel in July made Phillip's position even more difficult. Hitler believed that Philipp and his family were complicit in Mussolini's downfall. Neither Antonia nor Mafalda can be used as examples of those who 'just went along' but were still ill-treated by Hitler, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: basilforever on April 24, 2007, 10:57:55 AM
It all goes to show the Nazis had no respect for Royalty.  >:( Poor Princess Mafalda.  :'(
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on April 24, 2007, 11:05:21 AM
People who are responsible for the deaths of millions, including many of their own citizens, don't have respect for human life, royal or otherwise.

Some related topics:

German Royals and Nazism/Royals and the Reich
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,4071.0.html

Princess Mafalda
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,1962.0.html

Crown Prince Rupprecht
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,3145.0.html
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: basilforever on April 24, 2007, 11:11:34 AM
Yes of course, but I meant it was not a part of the Nazi philosophy/ideology to have any respect for Royals because they were Royalty. Thanks for the links.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: HerrKaiser on April 24, 2007, 03:54:35 PM
I agree with Grandduchessella and bell the cat. Even though Princess Alexandra may not have bloody hands herself, her passive acceptance was the same thing the majority of Germans did (most of whom were NOT nazi party members) and they have paid the high price of defeat and reparations and global distain. If we are to accept Pcss Alexandra and her children's joining up with the party as a mere means to protect their own status, then the world owes all of Germany a huge apology. But instead, she should bear the yoke of dishonor the others of her country have born who did not join the party. Not being a nazi was not a death sentence or imprisonable. She could have opted out and been sidelined, but if her convictions were noble, she did not stand by them.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on April 24, 2007, 09:19:31 PM
In a review on the BRMB about the new Spanish bio of Baby Bee, it says this:

"Princess Alexandra (Sandra) of Hohenlohe-Langenburg is presented in a very poor light throughout the book: envious of her sisters, mean, ugly. She took many of her mother´s jewels after the Russian Revolution and left her mother almost starving."

I don't know exactly what basis that's on, but it does say the writer was able to access hundreds of letters that Baby Bee wrote/had written to her--that she fortunately never destroyed them. I think the author also was able to interview Bee before she died.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Laura_ on April 25, 2007, 08:40:13 AM
ugly??  :)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Svetabel on April 25, 2007, 11:13:46 AM
ugly??  :)
well, in contrast to her pretty sisters :)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Laura_ on April 25, 2007, 12:01:35 PM
i dont know i find her prettier than Ducky. as a young princess she was prettier than many of her cousins too. and she was one of the four sisters who had been considered the most beautiful princesses of their generation as many authors note.
i think the word''ugly'' is way over exagerated when talking about Princess Alexandra  :)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on April 25, 2007, 02:08:24 PM
i always thought sandra was pretty and an adorable child when she was little...were they talking about actual physical features or her personality as being 'ugly' ?
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: basilforever on April 25, 2007, 02:16:38 PM
I don't think Princess Sandra was ugly either, (not physically at least).
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on April 25, 2007, 03:32:04 PM
I don't think Sandra was ever really pretty at any point (personal opinion) but reading the quote, I think the reviewer was referring to her personality.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Laura_ on April 26, 2007, 04:02:32 AM
I think the reviewer was referring to her personality.

that makes sense.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: trentk80 on April 26, 2007, 06:59:54 AM
In my opinion, Sandra was pretty as a child but not as a grown woman.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 26, 2007, 09:51:37 AM
Not pretty but handsome IMO. I think she had a odd shaped mouth.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: HerrKaiser on April 26, 2007, 01:20:49 PM
interesting ideas about Alexandra's "prettiness". I personally think she looks very pleasant, perhaps not pretty or beautiful, much in the same way Vickie did during her best years. the photo with baby Irma is a wonderful image, imo.

I do not see a thread on Prince William to ask this question, but it relates to this subject of subjective "looks" appeal. What has happened to the gorgeous looking teen and young man? William's features have gone the same way in his early 20s that Anne and papa Charles' did...the enlongating nose, the disappearing chin, the pinched hanovarian look. I know few people who have had such dramatic facial changes at that part of their lives. Anyone see this too? please direct this to a better thread if necessary.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Michael II on April 26, 2007, 03:19:55 PM
I think of all the children Alexandra and Alfred most favor their mother.  They have the round face of their mother.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 26, 2007, 07:59:15 PM
Except maybe Ducky.  ???
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on April 26, 2007, 09:52:06 PM
Ducky was the spitting image of Alfred.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/img297affiew.jpg)(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/duckywithelizabethw.jpg)(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/ducky11w.jpg)


Sandra just always looked sullen to me--that detracts from any prettiness of features she might of had, in my opinion--and looks are always subjective. For instance, I find Vicky and Queen Olga very pretty (though Vicky had a rough period) even though they didn't have the conventional beauties of others. Vicky not only had beautiful coloring but she had an intelligent and rather gentle look to her and Queen Olga throughout all her sorrows never lost her sweet expression. Sandra always looked mad or sullen (sorry to be repetitive) to me.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: HerrKaiser on April 27, 2007, 05:51:42 AM
Sandra does always look sullen and veritably sad. I find that "look" to be fairly common in photos of royals during the period pre WWII. I have posted earlier that Viktoria Luise seems to be one of the few that actually shows a valid smile in some photos.

the photo of Marie Coburg and three of her daughters is great. Is the event known? it appears to be a carriage and each has a stunning tiara, so they are going some place of import. The tiara on the second from the right (is that Sandra?) looks much like Alice's, given to her by QV.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Laura_ on April 27, 2007, 06:04:37 AM
Sandra does always look sullen and veritably sad. I find that "look" to be fairly common in photos of royals during the period pre WWII. I have posted earlier that Viktoria Luise seems to be one of the few that actually shows a valid smile in some photos.

 Crown Princess Marie of Romania?  she did smile quite often and looked optimistic in many pictures. :)

the photo of Marie Coburg and three of her daughters is great. Is the event known? it appears to be a carriage and each has a stunning tiara, so they are going some place of import. The tiara on the second from the right (is that Sandra?) looks much like Alice's, given to her by QV.

i think it was Alfred and Maria's  Silver wedding celebrations   :)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 27, 2007, 06:14:53 AM
I seldom see Sandra smile in photos. She usually quite glum or pensive.  :(
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 27, 2007, 06:48:01 AM
Maybe there was a touch of bitterness or envy on Alexandras behalf at having two attractive older sisters?? Was she named after Queen Alexandra??
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Svetabel on April 27, 2007, 07:29:22 AM
Maybe there was a touch of bitterness or envy on Alexandras behalf at having two attractive older sisters??

Definitely 8), also older sisters made more brilliant alliances.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on April 27, 2007, 08:27:38 AM
Sandra does always look sullen and veritably sad. I find that "look" to be fairly common in photos of royals during the period pre WWII. I have posted earlier that Viktoria Luise seems to be one of the few that actually shows a valid smile in some photos.

the photo of Marie Coburg and three of her daughters is great. Is the event known? it appears to be a carriage and each has a stunning tiara, so they are going some place of import. The tiara on the second from the right (is that Sandra?) looks much like Alice's, given to her by QV.

Sandra was worse thanm ost to me. Except in some informal shots, royals rarely smiled (understandable given the time to take photos) but didn't give off the same vibe. Queen Alexandra and Missy aren't smiling in many of their photos, yet no one would accuse them of being sullen. It's just something in her expression that seems dissatisfied with everything around her.

The photo of Marie Coburg and her 3 eldest daughters is from the wedding of Duke Ernst Gunther ('odious Gunther') of Schleswig-Holstein and Princess Dorothea of Coburg, daughter of Prince Philip and Princess Louise of Belgium. You can see Ferdinand of Bulgaria (a Coburg by birth) over Missy's shoulder. It has been identified as from the Silver Wedding celebrations but I have a photo from the wedding and they're wearing the exact same clothes and jewels.

Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Laura_ on April 27, 2007, 08:37:58 AM
you are right grandduchessella, i read it is from the Silver Wedding celebrations in David Cripps' book. :-X
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Laura_ on April 27, 2007, 08:41:38 AM

Sandra was worse thanm ost to me. Except in some informal shots, royals rarely smiled (understandable given the time to take photos) but didn't give off the same vibe. Queen Alexandra and Missy aren't smiling in many of their photos, yet no one would accuse them of being sullen. It's just something in her expression that seems dissatisfied with everything around her.


they couldnt smile in every pic but Queen Alexandra and Crown Princess Marie did smile quite often, didnt they?  Marie especially when posing with her children  :) and also Empress Elisabeth of Austria did smile in some pics  believe it or not  ;)  ::)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 27, 2007, 08:35:12 PM
When you are such a beauty, you have much to smile about...Poor Sandra did not have that... ???
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Laura_ on April 28, 2007, 04:03:32 AM
Lol ..so only great beauties could smile back then!
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: bell_the_cat on April 30, 2007, 05:41:30 PM
Sandra wasn't bad looking.  I reckon she suffered in comparison with her sisters. She was better looking than the Wales girls or the daughters of the Empress Frederick, which may be some consolation!

The Kaiser's son August Wilhelm and his daughter in law Crown Princess Cecilie fled from Potsdam at the end of WWII and ended up in Langenburg. "Auwi" is actually buried in the Hohenlohe family cemetery in Langenburg.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 01, 2007, 02:38:42 AM
Well...I think she was really quite plain...not ugly though. A Plain Jane...no more no less. :(
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eddie_uk on May 01, 2007, 09:12:51 AM
Sandra wasn't bad looking.  I reckon she suffered in comparison with her sisters. She was better looking than the Wales girls or the daughters of the Empress Frederick, which may be some consolation!


You think?? I think Vickys daughters were attractive, especially Sophie and Mossy. And the Wales trio were pretty too. I don't think Alexandra was ugly but she wasn't as pretty IMO! :)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: basilforever on May 01, 2007, 12:49:40 PM
Even if Sandra was just plain looking, that has nothing to do with how much she did or didn't smile!

I think she was definitely not ugly, but she was not a great beauty. I think the Wales girls were pretty and better looking. Toria sometimes looked very beautiful when she was young. Louise and Maud did too.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 01, 2007, 08:41:35 PM
Agreed ! We are agree that Sandra was plain. However she is much more attractive than 2 of her daughters (who never married).  :(
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: basilforever on May 02, 2007, 09:25:37 AM
Hmmm, I want to know why those two (Princess Alexandra Beatrice and Princess Irma Helene) never married? They were not hideously ugly!
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on May 02, 2007, 03:33:10 PM
Hmmm, I want to know why those two (Princess Alexandra Beatrice and Princess Irma Helene) never married? They were not hideously ugly!

I actually think Irma was quite pretty.

I think they both spent too much time looking after Sandra, and sort of became like Toria was to Alix. After their mother died and they could finally focus on their own lives they were both too old to marry.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 02, 2007, 08:33:34 PM
The same cannot be said of Princess Alexandra...she looked like a mouse.  :o
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: basilforever on May 04, 2007, 06:10:51 AM
Really I think that is too harsh.. Sandra did not look like a mouse!
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Linnea on May 04, 2007, 12:14:09 PM
I think he meant Alexandra´s own daughter Alexandra. ;)
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 06, 2007, 12:05:08 AM
Well...with a face like Alexandra, I have no doubt people will be knocking at her door. Maybe they haven't found the right one ? Like Thora ?  ???
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Svetabel on May 06, 2007, 01:50:32 AM
Well...with a face like Alexandra, I have no doubt people will be knocking at her door.

But she did not look like Frankenstein. And the beauty or prettiness of the features sometimes don't matter, by the wayl there were more ugly Princesses who married.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 06, 2007, 08:27:17 PM
Well...for their money and postion and sometimes family & political reasons. If you read the way the last Emperor of Brazil met his future wife, he was tempted to send her back since she was so ugly. He went throgh with it but had numerous mistresses.  :(
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: basilforever on May 09, 2007, 01:52:56 PM
I still think these two princesses would not have found it hard at all to find a husband. They didn't necessarily need a royal one at all. They were not ugly. They were not poor, they were not politically ostracised, they were fine. I think it must be at least a large part because they did not wish to marry, for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 09, 2007, 08:31:01 PM
Well...They do not want what was given but cannot get want they want. Being single is not so bad after all than with the wrong guy.  ???
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Marlene on May 16, 2007, 03:05:36 PM
Irma may not have married but she had a long term relationship with a man ... lived with him for years.

I have often wondered why Irma and Alexandra never married.   ???
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Norbert on May 12, 2008, 05:13:03 AM
I'd be very pleased if anyone knows the dates as to when Hermann of H-L  ruled as Stadholder of Alsace-Lorraine . His 1907 memoirs were to ruin the family
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 11, 2008, 10:15:10 AM
New information that came out from her letters to Ducky confirmed that "Sandra" was jealous of her and report any gossip back to her mother Marie Coburg. Once Missy visited her family while Grand Duke Dimitri was nearby. She repreated the rumours about them and made Missy's holiday a hell. At the end she told Ducky that she was glad to go back to Bucherest, since Sandra made her life so uncomfortable in Coburg. That plus Sandra's greed in trying to get the most out of her mother'swill, inheriting the best jewels and the whole Edinbrugh Palais. Only Ducky stood firmly did the other sisters managed to get anything. Not to mention the time when Sandra actually" lost it"  and slapped Baby Bee...It is much credit to Missy, Ducky and Bee that they were so big hearted and forgave their nasty sister and kept peace in the family...
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eurohistory on June 13, 2008, 03:08:02 AM
You paint a caricature of Sandra, not a true portrait...which one ought not to do unless one has access to documentation, which you do not really do.

I have spent the last 4 years researching family archives with the current Fürst zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg...the sisters had differences, that is undoubted, as many siblings do, but all cared much for each other and yearly visits between them were commonplace. Their children (Kira, Maria, Alexandra, Irma, Ileana, etc...) were very good friends who vacationed together all around Europe. Visits to Romania were frequent and I have plenty of illustrated documentation for this. Beatrice, living farther away in Spain, was the one who visited the others the least.

But Eric, in all due frankness, you paint a picture of Sandra that is hardly complete.

Respectfully,

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 17, 2008, 02:36:05 PM
Well...Sandra's actions in Missy's and Ducky's letters sound anything but nice. Someone who read the new book on Ena & Bee said it even states at one point that Sandra refuse to take care of their mother. I think Missy was the kindest, Ducky was the more artistic and opinionated but Sandra was indeed jealous of her sisters and at some point made others life hell. It wrote volumes that they forgave their sister and took her back into their confidence after episodes of Sandra 's greed ( she got the biggest slice from the Duchess of Coburg's will-that is a fact !) and petty things that irritate the other sisters (including making Missy's holiday hell-one of the letters John read during this year's RD). Baby Bee was more of an indepenent woman also strong in opinions. Well...At least they all remain togather despite that, but by comparison, Sandra did came out short compared with the rest.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: TampaBay on June 17, 2008, 08:14:03 PM
Have these letters been published?  If so then where, as I would like to read them.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on June 17, 2008, 08:52:02 PM
No, they haven't been published, escept perhaps quotes here and there in articles. John Wimbles was once working on a bio of Marie Coburg--I don't know what came of it.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Keith on June 18, 2008, 07:35:10 AM
after episodes of Sandra 's greed ( she got the biggest slice from the Duchess of Coburg's will-that is a fact !)

Unless Sandra actually wrote out Marie Coburg's will, wasn't that Marie's decision to leave the bigggest slice to whom she chose.  I don't see how that illustrates greed on Sandra's part.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Keith on June 18, 2008, 12:06:08 PM
Does anyone know when Marie Coburgs will was dated?

Is the modify button missing, or did I just not see it?
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 18, 2008, 12:20:06 PM
Sandra was the closest one to Marie Coburg and always asked her mother to give her more stuff. Her manipulation of her mother and the will caused ill feeling among the sisters. Finally a third party had to be called in (Missy wasn't able to come due to the war) to make sure that the distribution of the jewels and the rest of the things were in order. Ducky made the trip and confronted Sandra (I think Ducky was the only one Sandra was a bit in awe of). After that it was quite a while before they forgave Sandra and took her back. This isdocumented in John Wimbles's article on Sandra published in the old Royalty Digest.
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Keith on June 18, 2008, 12:48:05 PM
You can ask someone all you want for something, but doesn't mean they have to give it to you. Who would have thought the day would have come that Marie Coburg would have let a daughter manipulate her.

I guess the war really changed Marie Coburg from someone who had backbone to giving in pretty easily.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 18, 2008, 10:55:46 PM
Well...the war did change all that. Michen was complaining that she can't talk to Marie Coburg since she became "so German" ! :)
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Post by: LenelorMiksi on June 21, 2008, 11:54:06 AM
I highly doubt that Sandra convinced Marie Coburg to give her the majority of the jewels, or that the grand duchess had lost her backbone.  Sandra was the only one of her daughters on the German side of the war.  She still loved her other daughters, but nonetheless a rift was created, and Marie Coburg felt intensely patriotic to her adopted Germany.  So doesn't it make sense that she would want the majority of her jewels to go to a princely germanic house, and to the daughter who had nursed the German soldiers?  Also, why should Sandra part from the jewels that her mother had left her?  After being the "least interesting" of the sisters her entire life, she finally got to feel like the favorite.  Ducky won favor by converting to Orthodoxy and becoming a Russian Grand Duchess, Missy was a beautiful, popular queen, and Baby Bee was the Benjamina, the only one allowed to wait for a marriage of love rather than rushed into one in her teens.  Really, I don't find it hard to understand that Sandra would be reluctant to part with this physical proof of her mother's love. 
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eurohistory on June 22, 2008, 11:55:21 PM
And yet in this "fleecing" committed by Alexandra Ducky still made out of course with rather considerable real estate, the sale of which alowed Kirill and Ducky to purchase Ker Argonid (their Norman villa)11 and a flat in Paris.

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Post by: Norbert on June 24, 2008, 04:59:57 AM
 They found it very difficult to marry "Baby Bee" off...certainly it was not a love match and was regarded as a mis-alliance by her relatives
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Post by: Svetabel on June 24, 2008, 08:13:46 AM
They found it very difficult to marry "Baby Bee" off...certainly it was not a love match and was regarded as a mis-alliance by her relatives

I read in many books and articles that Beatrice-Alfonso marriage was a love match. At least for Alfonso.
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Post by: Yseult on June 24, 2008, 10:27:09 AM
For sure, Svetabel ;) Ali fell in love with Baby Bee at first sight, if the bio written by Ana de Sagrera is well documented ;) De Sagrera states that fifteen minutes after the couple´s first meeting, when they were dancing, Ali asked in loud voice: "Princess, will you marry me?".
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Post by: trentk80 on June 24, 2008, 10:32:03 AM
Indeed. Their marriage was a love match.
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Post by: grandduchessella on June 24, 2008, 03:23:59 PM
Was Bee the poorest? Prior to the Spanish Revolution (and Marie died in 1920), I would've thought that she was well off since she was married to the eldest son of the Infanta Eulalia--who, along with her husband, was a prime beneficiary of several large wills.
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Post by: Yseult on June 24, 2008, 03:44:58 PM
Granduchessella, Antonio and Eulalia spent a lot of money, so I don´t know if their sons could receive so much...Antonio had a mistress who always wore fabulous dresses and jewels, spanish people used to named her "la Infantona" ("The Great Infanta" but with disdain). Eulalia was not a woman to be careful with her funds, she was here and there living without a sense of economy...
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: LenelorMiksi on June 24, 2008, 06:38:03 PM
I was reading in Van Der Kiste's biography of Victoria Melita that next to Missy, Sandra was the closest sister to her.  That's probably why Sandra agreed to share the jewels (which were hers legally at this point, it seems).  Perhaps the sisters blamed Sandra for getting more than her fair share of inheritance because they didn't want to believe that Marie Coburg wanted to give her more of her belongings than them.
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Post by: trentk80 on June 25, 2008, 02:58:03 AM
Was Bee the poorest? Prior to the Spanish Revolution (and Marie died in 1920), I would've thought that she was well off since she was married to the eldest son of the Infanta Eulalia--who, along with her husband, was a prime beneficiary of several large wills.

Alfonso and Beatrice were well-off before their exile from Spain in 1916, when they had to move to Switzerland. There they lived with financial difficulties until 1923, when they were finally allowed to return to Spain.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 25, 2008, 03:18:52 PM
By the time Ali came into his money, it had been almost completely gone. The only thing left was the house in Bologna and the title of the Duke of Galleria. Bee was given money (one million swiss gold soverigns) as her dowery and income from her mother's trust fund in Russia. When the revolution broke out, the income stopped. So apart from a few real estate, there is not not a lot of money and goods. So Marie Coburg's money would have been eagerly accepted at that time. I agree that Ducky was the one that Sandra was a little in awe of, she bullied Missy and Bee without a second thought. So Ducky's presence at the division of their mother's goods was a comfort to Missy...
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Post by: Eurohistory on June 26, 2008, 09:31:04 AM
This is not correct. The Infante don Alfonso legally intervened his father's mismanagement of the vast Monpensier inheritance. Don Antonio was haphazard at best at managing it and lavished untold riches on his various mistresses. But to say that don Alfonso only received a couple of things around Bologna is factually incorrect at best.

In Andalucia the real estate of the late Duke of Montpensier was divided among his two surviving children: The Countess of Paris and the Infante don Antonio.

The real estate in Villamanrique, along with the casa palacio, went to the Paris'. This remains in the hands of his Orléans-Bragança descendants. Each of the children of the late Countess of Paris (1848-1919) received real estate in Andalucia or France, even the late Countess of Barcelona, may God rest her soul, received real estate from the Montpensier inheritance.

The real estate around Sanlucar de Barrameda (El Botánico) went to don Antonio and his descendants. Alfonso and Beatrice de Orleans lived there until their deaths and this was no small property. In fact, the Borbones Sanluqueños continue to own the property, where the Montpensier Archive is now located.

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: trentk80 on June 27, 2008, 07:13:17 AM
Around the time of the Duchess of Coburg's death, Alfonso and Beatrice were not well off and their correspondence with some relatives confirm this. They inherited the large estate at Sanlucar de Barrameda several years later, when they returned to Spain.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 27, 2008, 10:46:39 AM
Indeed. At the time of Bee's marriage to Ali, she had more money than he did (his father still control the money and spent much of it on his mistress, as Ricardo's article in RD has indicated). Not to mention the fact that the father (Antonio) brided Ali's younger brother Luis to his side during the dispute in the family. It is no secret that Bee got the least jewels from Marie Coburg (only the fringe tiara) compared to the other three...
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eurohistory on June 28, 2008, 12:48:26 AM
This is not the issue at hand. The statement made was the by the time the Infante don Alfonso came into his inheritance, "it was almost all gone." That, as I stated, is most incorrect. Yes the Infante don Antonio was an awful administrator and spent a considerable portion of his share of the Montpensier inheritance, but his sons were not poor and they did receive considerable real estate, which remains in the descendants of don Alfonso and Princess Beatrice to this day.

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 30, 2008, 12:15:01 PM
Not all the money went to Ali, when Eulalie died most of it went to Bee's yesterest son. I don't think Ali had much money after the war and during the exile in Zurich. With her own income discontinued, Baby Bee could surely use some of Marie Coburg's inheritance. It was documented that Sandra was quite difficult with the partition of her mother's goods (she got there before the others). Missy was quite worried about the issues (she knew Sandra could be vicious if she deemed it justified). She was comforted by the fact that Ducky could be there (since she could not be there in person). Ducky did deal with her (with a representative) iron out a deal with her on hers and the other sisters (Bee was there too, even though she got the least out of it). Indeed eventualy Ali and Bee got some property (remember lawyers fee over the law suit with Antonio), but it would be safe to say that they were never "cash rich". Another reason why Bee made so few appearances in England, is that without much clothes and jewels, it was hard to keep it up.
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Post by: TampaBay on July 01, 2008, 11:24:01 AM
Another reason why Bee made so few appearances in England, is that without much clothes and jewels, it was hard to keep it up.

Eric,

I have a hard time believing the above as Missy would have loaned Bee anything she wanted to borrow.  Also, all dethroned royalties were cash poor and jewel poor after WWI.  I personally believe that if "Bee made so few appearance as in England" it was because that like her mother GD Marie she did not really care for England.  Only Missy really loved England and nothing stopped the Edinburgh/Coburg girls from doing anything they really wanted to do.

TampaBay
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Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2008, 11:33:30 AM
Not to divert the thread to Bee but she did make quite a few appearances in England pre and post WW1. It was listed in the Court Circular. She attended many of  the major events and these were quite glittering events.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 01, 2008, 12:59:47 PM
Not really. Missy had to buy jewels herself after the war, and met Bee only a few times. Sandra however had a good collection including the disputed ruby set.
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Post by: Marlene on July 02, 2008, 10:50:26 PM

I can assure you that the family is extremely wealthy.

This is not the issue at hand. The statement made was the by the time the Infante don Alfonso came into his inheritance, "it was almost all gone." That, as I stated, is most incorrect. Yes the Infante don Antonio was an awful administrator and spent a considerable portion of his share of the Montpensier inheritance, but his sons were not poor and they did receive considerable real estate, which remains in the descendants of don Alfonso and Princess Beatrice to this day.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 04, 2008, 01:59:57 AM
Not all the time. The family of Bee survived some harsh years in exile before claiming back their lands in Spain. Ricardo told me that Bee had sold most of her jewels (including the diamond fringe inherited from her mother Marie Coburg) during the hardship years, only Eulalie's fantastic jewelry collection remained in tact. Sandra was more wealthy as she was never in exile (all three other sisters were exiled during part of their lives).
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: trentk80 on July 04, 2008, 05:56:23 AM
Sandra was more wealthy as she was never in exile (all three other sisters were exiled during part of their lives).

And here's where Sandra's greed comes into play: after the Russian Revolution, Marie Alexandrovna went bankrupt and Sandra refused to help her, leaving the task to her sisters.
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Post by: Luc on September 15, 2008, 06:38:17 AM
Were any portraits made of Sandra during her lifetime ?
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Post by: grandduchessella on September 15, 2008, 08:58:08 AM
Yes, QV had at least 2.
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Post by: Luc on September 15, 2008, 09:13:05 AM
Yes, QV had at least 2.

Which painter was it and do they still exist ?
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Post by: Laura_ on June 24, 2011, 11:07:00 AM

El bumpo! :)

Yes, QV had at least 2.

Which painter was it and do they still exist ?

Here's a very lovely miniature watercolour from The Royal Collection website  : )

(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5405/alexandran.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/alexandran.png/)

Princess Alexandra of Edinburgh (1878-1942), 1881, by Eduardo Moira (1817-87)

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Post by: Sara Araújo on January 14, 2012, 04:46:52 PM
Alexandra and Ernest on the cover of The Graphic on the occasion of their wedding:

http://www.old-print.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=M1530896485#
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2012, 03:41:05 PM
I think it was based on a photo of their engagement.
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Post by: Aliss_Kande on November 12, 2012, 11:04:24 PM
Hi everyone, I was just wondering if anyone knows of any other photos of Alexandra and her family.  I've seen the same 10 or so over and over again and it would be great if someone had a secret stash no one else knows about yet.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 12, 2012, 11:37:01 PM
I think Arturo Beeche of European Royal Journal will publish a book soon on the Hohenlohe-Langenburg family. It is up your alley. Watch up for it.
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Post by: Marie Valerie on November 15, 2015, 02:08:38 AM
(http://static2.akpool.de/images/cards/112/1129588.jpg)

Wedding of Sandras daughter
Title: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe Langenburg
Post by: Joshuades on September 29, 2016, 09:57:05 PM
Has it been announced if Princess Alexandra will partake in Alexandra Rose Day activities this year?
Title: Re: Princess Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Post by: Marc on October 05, 2016, 08:23:01 AM
The thread is about Princess Alexandra von Hohenlohe-Langenburg, not about Princess Alexandra of Kent. :-/

You can find a thread about her in Windsor section.