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Title: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MegWhite on February 07, 2006, 10:28:44 AM
I am searching for pictures of Max Emanuel and his familiy.  :)
Thanks for pics. :-*
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 15, 2006, 08:04:45 PM
Not really I have a nice one of her as an adult from my collection, and one in fancy dress via the Royal Archievs from Windsor. I think the real rarity is one of her and the kids, I have NEVER saw one of that nor one of the whole family.  :(
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 16, 2006, 02:30:10 PM
It isn't a problem if you go to the archives, of course. In Vienna they have lots of pics.

But there is only one rare German book in which you can find a pic of Amalie and Max Emanuel: "Kaiserin Elisabeth in 200 Bildern" by Gertrude Aretz.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 17, 2006, 10:28:19 AM
I didn't find a lot in the Wittelsbach Archievs in Munich on Max Emannuel., Maybe Vienna had more ?  ???
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 17, 2006, 12:28:46 PM
In Vienna you can find 37 pics of Amalie and and 9 pics of Max Emanuel. But there aren't any pics of the whole family.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Marlene on March 14, 2006, 10:08:33 AM
the only one I have in my collection is the postcard of the bridal couple.  

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So they have at the "Nationalbibliothek" in Vienna.

I think it's pretty hard to find pics of Amalie Coburg when she was an adult.

Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 15, 2006, 09:37:30 AM
I got the cdv after the wedding with Amalie holding the flowers.  ;)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Paola on April 06, 2006, 12:27:21 PM
I found in this website
www.nottingham.ac.uk/mss/online/ online-mss catalogues/cats/buchanan_intro.html (a catalogue of the papers of Sir Andrew Buchanan, a distinguished 19th -century diplomat ) this interesting note:

Letter from Sir Henry Ponsonby, Balmoral Castle, Scotland, to Sir Andrew Buchanan, Vienna, Austria; 5 June 1875:
"Informs him that the Queen has told him privately that she regrets the marriage of Prince Maximillian of Bavaria and Princess Amalie of Saxe Coburg Gotha; she [the Queen] has wished Amalie to marry a'good man' and fears that the Prince is not suitable; it is requested that he [Buchanan] confidentially pass on any information relating to the Prince and also express a personal opinion of  him".
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Emilia on April 07, 2006, 08:13:32 AM
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I found in this website
www.nottingham.ac.uk/mss/online/ online-mss catalogues/cats/buchanan_intro.html (a catalogue of the papers of Sir Andrew Buchanan, a distinguished 19th -century diplomat ) this interesting note:

Letter from Sir Henry Ponsonby, Balmoral Castle, Scotland, to Sir Andrew Buchanan, Vienna, Austria; 5 June 1875:
"Informs him that the Queen has told him privately that she regrets the marriage of Prince Maximillian of Bavaria and Princess Amalie of Saxe Coburg Gotha; she [the Queen] has wished Amalie to marry a'good man' and fears that the Prince is not suitable; it is requested that he [Buchanan] confidentially pass on any information relating to the Prince and also express a personal opinion of  him".

Maybe QV thought that Max Emanuel wasn´t a good catch as he was only the third son of a non-reigning duke... :-?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Paola on April 11, 2006, 09:57:25 AM
I think Queen Victoria meant his character. That's why she requested Sir Andrew Buchanan to pass more information and express his personal oppinion of Max Emanuel. Perhaps Queen Victoria thought the family of the Dukes in Bavaria were too eccentric.True, Max Emmanuel was only the  third son of a non-reigning duke, but still he was the brother of the Empress of Austria.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 19, 2006, 05:32:03 AM
Yes...especially after the audience with his sister the Empress of Austria. True...Queen Victoria always inquire if there is money in the family... :o
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Marie Valerie on April 22, 2006, 11:10:52 AM
Is there a pic with only Amalie on it?

I've never seen one..  :-?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 23, 2006, 05:15:21 AM
I got one, but cannot scan it... :(
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 24, 2006, 03:08:45 AM
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Is there a pic with only Amalie on it?

I've never seen one..  :-?

I've got two of them. They were on eBay some time ago and their quality isn't the best, but I will post them later.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Pierce on April 25, 2006, 10:10:09 PM
At one time Amalie was engaged to Prince Leopold of Bavaria who was the future husband of Archduchess Gisela, why was there engagement broken? Did Clementine try to find a more brilliant match for her daughter? Did Max Emanuel and Amalie marry for love ?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Yseult on April 25, 2006, 10:20:15 PM
Pierce, the bio about Empress Elisabeth writted by Brigitte Hamann, "Reluctand Empress", referes that the empress knew so well that her brother Mapperl was in madly in love with Amalia, but the princess was engaged to Leopold, and Leopold was a suitable match to Gisela...So, the empress sent an invitation to hunting at Gödöllo Palace to prince Leopold. At Gödöllo, Leopold and Gisela became engaged, and a few years later, Elisabeth arranged the marriage of Amalia with Mapperl.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 25, 2006, 10:25:13 PM
Sisi was a nice big sister to Max, to sacrifice her daughter in exchange for her brother's happiness. I guess even Clementine cannot argue with the Empress of Austria.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Pierce on April 25, 2006, 10:27:39 PM
Thanks Yseult, I read" Relunctant Empress " years ago I had forgot where I got that piece of information from about Leopold and Amalie being engaged. I thank you for reminding me of the source.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Marc on April 27, 2006, 04:33:06 AM
On the web some time ago-I don't know the name of the site,since it was in german,but I know that it was said to be her...
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 27, 2006, 08:37:23 AM
No I think it was her. Her resemblence to Foxy Ferdinand of Bulgaria was striking ! It could be Foxy in drag !  ;)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Agneschen on April 28, 2006, 08:33:25 AM
I agree. The girl looks too much like Princess Clémentine not to be either Clotilde or Amalie (I do think she is Amalie).
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 28, 2006, 03:31:20 PM
Yes...I think Amalie's sister (who married a Hapsburg) was a brunette. while she was a blonde.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 08, 2006, 03:19:50 AM
The painting of Amalie Princess of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Max Emanuel's beloved wife, by Winterhalter is currently for sale on eBay !!!

Link: http://cgi.ebay.de/Franz-Xaver-WINTERHALTER-1806-1873-authentic-oil_W0QQitemZ140038744528QQihZ004QQcategoryZ20129QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.de/Franz-Xaver-WINTERHALTER-1806-1873-authentic-oil_W0QQitemZ140038744528QQihZ004QQcategoryZ20129QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Paola on October 19, 2006, 08:39:08 AM
I would like to know if Schloß Biederstein in Münich ,where Max Emmanuel lived with his family still exists? Any pictures?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 19, 2006, 08:45:55 AM
I would like to know if Schloß Biederstein in Münich ,where Max Emmanuel lived with his family still exists? Any pictures?

No, it doesn't exist anymore. The park was sold in 1928/29 and some years later the interior of Biederstein was auctioned. In 1934 the so-called "Neue Schloss" was pulled down. The rest of the building had been destroyed during WW II.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Paola on October 19, 2006, 08:58:36 AM
Thanks. Such a pity it doesn't exist anymore. After the death of Max Emmanuel and Amelie, who lived there till the 1920's? Their children? Interesting that the interiors were auctioned. Is there a catalogue of this auction?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 19, 2006, 10:47:05 AM
Thanks. Such a pity it doesn't exist anymore. After the death of Max Emmanuel and Amelie, who lived there till the 1920's? Their children? Interesting that the interiors were auctioned. Is there a catalogue of this auction?

Yes, their sons lived at Biederstein. But they didn't have enough money, so the buildings became shabby.

Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: grandduchessella on October 19, 2006, 04:38:25 PM
As to the Winterhalter portrait, Queen Victoria often commissioned copies made of ones she particularly liked, especially in the case of her various continental relatives. In this case, she actually painted the copy herself in 1851. She had it placed in Buckingham Palace and it later moved from there to Windsor and then to Osborne.

Queen Victoria's opinion on Amalie was that she was clever but not pretty.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 21, 2006, 02:11:12 AM
That's right. As most of the Coburgs, she had a strange nose. Amalie's niece Archduchess Marie Valérie also wrote that her aunt talked through her nose and that she spoke very slowly. But I think that Amalie's sister Clotilde was quite pretty.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Agneschen on October 21, 2006, 03:09:30 AM
The Coburg children took after their mother Clémentine who herself looked a lot like her father King Louis-Philippe. She inherited his somewhat heavy features. They all had the Bourbon nose.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Linnea on October 21, 2006, 08:14:28 AM
Their children? Interesting that the interiors were auctioned. Is there a catalogue of this auction?

Didn´t Prince Joseph of Bavaria, the grandson of Max Emanuel´s sister Sophie, buy a lot of these auctioned interiors?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 21, 2006, 10:59:18 AM
Their children? Interesting that the interiors were auctioned. Is there a catalogue of this auction?

Didn´t Prince Joseph of Bavaria, the grandson of Max Emanuel´s sister Sophie, buy a lot of these auctioned interiors?

Joseph Clemens Prince of Bavaria, son of Max Emanuel's niece Louise d'Orléans and Alfons Prince of Bavaria, was an art historian. He had lots of things, but I've never heard that he also bought parts of the interior of Biederstein. Where did you get this information from, Linnea? I mean, it could be possible: Joseph Clemens was born in 1902 and the auction took place in 1929-1934, so he would have been old enough to buy some things.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Linnea on October 21, 2006, 11:37:57 AM
I must confess that I do not remember where I get this information from, I only recall the fact that Joseph was said to have bought a lot at this auction and wondered if anybody else had also heard about this?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 23, 2006, 10:00:10 PM
Back to the subject.  ;)  It is always nice when the family buy back its own heirlooms. I wonder what pieces were bought back from the auction.  ???
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 24, 2006, 03:16:21 AM
Back to the subject.  ;)  It is always nice when the family buy back its own heirlooms. I wonder what pieces were bought back from the auction.  ???

Maybe we should contact Jean Louis Schlim. Do you know him? He is quite famous in Bavaria, because he wrote many books about Ludwig II. and he has a huge private collection. But what I wanted to say: Schlim was in contact to Prince Joseph Clemens of Bavaria. If Joseph Clemens had bought something at this auction, Schlim would know that. Should I have a try?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 24, 2006, 03:28:51 AM
That would be great if you can give it a go ! Since I do not know him. (wish I did) :(
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 24, 2006, 03:37:13 AM
That would be great if you can give it a go ! Since I do not know him. (wish I did) :(

I don't know him either. But I have his email and I know another guy who is quite close to him. So I'll give it a try.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: José on January 27, 2007, 02:20:42 PM
One question and one request:

1. What was the reason of the early deaths of Max-Emmanuel and his wife Amalia of Sx.Coburg at 44 and 46 y.old ?

2. Has someone a pic of Anna Sibig, Pr.Christopher's wife ?

Thanks in advance

Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 28, 2007, 03:26:15 AM
1. What was the reason of the early deaths of Max-Emmanuel and his wife Amalia of Sx.Coburg at 44 and 46 y.old ?

Max Emanuel died of gastric haemorrhage, maybe he had a cancer of the stomach. Amalie's was heartbroken after her husband's death. She lost the will to live. In 1894 she died of peritonitis.

2. Has someone a pic of Anna Sibig, Pr.Christopher's wife ?

Never seen any ...


Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: José on January 28, 2007, 10:49:17 AM


Max Emanuel died of gastric haemorrhage, maybe he had a cancer of the stomach. Amalie's was heartbroken after her husband's death. She lost the will to live. In 1894 she died of peritonitis.

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Such a sad story  :-[
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 28, 2007, 07:56:54 PM
Yes...One of the few Coburgs who have a heart.  ::)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 06, 2008, 03:40:05 PM
All the photos posted on this topic, i can't see at all, can someone repost them, :'( please!  :)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Yseult on September 07, 2008, 02:01:28 AM
All the photos posted on this topic, i can't see at all, can someone repost them, :'( please!  :)

Hello, Mandy! I understand you...I always feel sad when a I find that all the pictures from a thread are removed :( Well, I don´t know what pictures were posted here, but I can post the few I have of Mapperl:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/BAVARIA/MaxEmanuelMapperl.jpg)

Mapperl and Amalia wedding (I´m pretty sure the provenance of this image is just this board, I believe I did save it because it was the first picture I´ve seen of the couple...):

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/BAVARIA/MaxEmanuelandwifeAmalieofSaxe-Cobur.jpg)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 07, 2008, 01:35:12 PM
They were a pretty couple and happy too.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 10, 2008, 03:27:01 PM
Thank you, Yseult  :)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 10, 2008, 04:10:49 PM
Sad their line died out.
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Post by: Princess Susan on September 11, 2008, 02:34:31 AM
Yes, and a pity, that both died so young. :(
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: beladona on September 11, 2008, 04:33:20 AM
Pierce, the bio about Empress Elisabeth writted by Brigitte Hamann, "Reluctand Empress", referes that the empress knew so well that her brother Mapperl was in madly in love with Amalia, but the princess was engaged to Leopold, and Leopold was a suitable match to Gisela...So, the empress sent an invitation to hunting at Gödöllo Palace to prince Leopold. At Gödöllo, Leopold and Gisela became engaged, and a few years later, Elisabeth arranged the marriage of Amalia with Mapperl.

Why - if he was so madly in love with Amalia - he married her "a few years later" (in fact two years)? He could marry her earlier...
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Svetabel on September 11, 2008, 04:59:28 AM
Pierce, the bio about Empress Elisabeth writted by Brigitte Hamann, "Reluctand Empress", referes that the empress knew so well that her brother Mapperl was in madly in love with Amalia, but the princess was engaged to Leopold, and Leopold was a suitable match to Gisela...So, the empress sent an invitation to hunting at Gödöllo Palace to prince Leopold. At Gödöllo, Leopold and Gisela became engaged, and a few years later, Elisabeth arranged the marriage of Amalia with Mapperl.

Why - if he was so madly in love with Amalia - he married her "a few years later" (in fact two years)? He could marry her earlier...

Their families were agaisnt Max/Amalia alliance if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: beladona on September 11, 2008, 09:46:28 AM
Pierce, the bio about Empress Elisabeth writted by Brigitte Hamann, "Reluctand Empress", referes that the empress knew so well that her brother Mapperl was in madly in love with Amalia, but the princess was engaged to Leopold, and Leopold was a suitable match to Gisela...So, the empress sent an invitation to hunting at Gödöllo Palace to prince Leopold. At Gödöllo, Leopold and Gisela became engaged, and a few years later, Elisabeth arranged the marriage of Amalia with Mapperl.

Why - if he was so madly in love with Amalia - he married her "a few years later" (in fact two years)? He could marry her earlier...

Their families were agaisnt Max/Amalia alliance if I remember correctly.

Max was not good enough? :) But soon Empress Elisabeth managed it all :)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 11, 2008, 02:20:40 PM
Yes nobody crosses with the Empress of Austria, especially with her husband under her thumb in family matters.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Princess Susan on September 12, 2008, 03:50:57 AM
It always makes me a bit sad, that Gisela was engaged and married so early, because Elisabeth intervened in her brother's engagement with Amalia. She was heplful to her brother but forgot to her daughter's yought. She could wait even year or two...
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 12, 2008, 01:08:27 PM
Well...Sisi bonded with her own family than with her children, especially her two eldest ones (who she believed to be Archduchess Soghie's wards). Rudolf had a strange love-hate relationship with his mother, but his sister had much less than that.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Norbert on October 14, 2008, 07:56:16 AM
Interesting to know about their 3 sons. Were they too poor to make dynastic marriages?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 14, 2008, 01:24:23 PM
No I think one of them was to be married, got a fall from a horse, got ill and marriage called off...
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Svetabel on October 15, 2008, 12:47:21 AM
It was said that one of the sons, Siegfried was a "fast" person and not a stable man mentally, that's why Archduchess Annunziata broke their engagement.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2008, 11:03:29 AM
Really, I think I saw engagement pictures...
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 15, 2008, 04:02:40 PM
Really, I think I saw engagement pictures...

There are a couple of photographs showing them together. Anyway, their engagement broke up because of Siegfried's mental illness.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2008, 04:17:28 PM
Yes it was a sad business. Some even suggested one of his other two brothers may be gay ! But who knows for sure right ?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 16, 2008, 05:26:27 PM
Yes it was a sad business. Some even suggested one of his other two brothers may be gay ! But who knows for sure right ?

I guess that Siegfried wasn't seriously ill, because he was able to live in his own house in Schwabing, Munich.

Christoph was married to Miss Anna Theresia Sibig. They lived in Munich, too.

Luitpold, the youngest, was a rather peculiar chap. He had a passion for architecture. It took him decades to finish Schloss Ringberg, the project of his life. In old age, he had a chauffeur who drove him to his castle every morning. After having spent some time there, the chauffeur picked him up again and drove him back to Bad Kreuth where he used to sleep. He never married, but he had some close female friends in the area around Munich.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 17, 2008, 02:26:49 PM
Thanks for the info.  :)
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Post by: Rani on November 01, 2008, 11:45:43 AM
Is this Amelie? In the description it was stated that this person is a "Princess Saxe Cobourg Cothurn, Wien Adčle CC Photo 1869"
If you know, it would be nice. Thanks!

(http://i38.tinypic.com/j0b9c1.jpg)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2008, 01:12:40 PM
Yes...her resemblence to her brother Ferdinand "Foxy" of Bulgaria is uncanny !
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Rani on November 01, 2008, 01:25:44 PM
That´s great, thank you. Pictures of her are so rare.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2008, 01:26:37 PM
Yes. I only have two small cdvs of her.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Marie Valerie on November 02, 2008, 09:11:52 AM
Is this Amelie? In the description it was stated that this person is a "Princess Saxe Cobourg Cothurn, Wien Adčle CC Photo 1869"
If you know, it would be nice. Thanks!

(http://i38.tinypic.com/j0b9c1.jpg)


I think this woman is Clothilde von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, her sister.
She was married since 1864 to an austrian Archduke, so Wien/Vienna was where she lived or stayed.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: synnadene on November 02, 2008, 10:16:14 AM

I do think, that the cdv shows AMELIE!
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 02, 2008, 10:44:31 AM
I agree and conformed it ! I saw a version of this cdv in the Wittelsbach Archiev in Munich marked AMELIE.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 03, 2008, 01:27:36 PM
It's Amalie, Max Emanuel's beloved wife. The same picture was published in the latest biography about Clémentine d'Orléans.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2008, 02:26:32 PM
 Glad we agreed on that. :D
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Rani on November 29, 2009, 10:36:57 AM


(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/BAVARIA/MaxEmanuelandwifeAmalieofSaxe-Cobur.jpg)

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In which book can I found this picture??

Thanks
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 29, 2009, 01:00:48 PM
Not seen in any book I have...maybe a new one came out.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 18, 2010, 11:49:39 AM
Courtesy of the ONB, Maximilian Emmanuel. He was a handsome fellow!

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2uf93k6.jpg)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 18, 2010, 12:14:12 PM
He was very handsome. The typical blond hair blue eyed prince. He looks like his brother Karl Theordor, who was also blond.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 18, 2010, 12:20:38 PM
i d say a much much handsome version of Karl Theodor
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 18, 2010, 12:54:06 PM
Karl Theodor was good looking too. Max Emmanuel had softer features than both his brothers.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 18, 2010, 03:18:34 PM
I agree that he looks like Karl Theodor, in fact before reading who was him I thought that he was KT
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 18, 2010, 08:38:33 PM
Yes. But he was better looking and younger too.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 19, 2010, 12:01:36 PM
Sure, I agree with you
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 19, 2010, 12:41:41 PM
Indeed. Although his sons were not as striking as he was.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 25, 2010, 08:21:54 AM
Did they look more than their mother or why?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 25, 2010, 02:28:37 PM
Don't know...maybe the mother's genes from Coburg were the reason ?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 25, 2010, 02:32:54 PM
I think that it must be the explanation
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 25, 2010, 02:35:02 PM
That is the only explaination I can think of.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 22, 2010, 02:42:30 PM
Amelie

(http://i41.tinypic.com/ff3jph.jpg)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 22, 2010, 03:00:15 PM
Thanks ! She looked very pretty in this one.  ;)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Rani on July 10, 2010, 12:04:36 PM
Christoph

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/01155235.jpg)

Articel about Siegfrieds accident

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/unfall.png)

But I don´t know why they mix up Siegfried and Christoph.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Rani on July 10, 2010, 12:07:07 PM
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/01143523.jpg)

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/B10600514T10600519.jpg)

Max Emanuel, the handsome brother of Elisabeth
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 10, 2010, 06:15:00 PM
He was a good looking blond man.  :)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Rani on October 04, 2010, 10:12:15 AM
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/25.jpg)

Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 04, 2010, 01:15:13 PM
Nice photo ! I think his hair got less blond as he grew up.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 11, 2010, 08:44:42 AM
There aren't too much photos about him, thanks for sharing this, is totally new for me XD By the way, I haven't noticed that his hair looked of a lighter color as younger... I thought that the only blond was Karl Theodor (well, his hair remained blond more time)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 11, 2010, 10:11:44 AM
He, Karl Theodor & Sophie Charlotte were the blond ones in the family.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 12, 2010, 10:57:08 AM
Well, remembering the painting of the Wittelsbach siblings done for Sissi he looks blond, but in photos he doesn't look as blond as Gackel or Sophie, their eyes look of being of a so light blue and Max Emanuel's look darker. Anyways, any other of the siblings were blond
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Rani on October 12, 2010, 11:07:44 AM
I read in Hamanns book that Sisis hair got darker, from ash blond to chestnut brown.
So Maxs hair got probably darker, too.

Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 12, 2010, 11:14:26 AM
But Sissi didn't have blue (or other light color) eyes, and perhaps that's the reason of her being represented blonde on her first paintings (engagement and first years of marriage) about Max there's no doubt
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 12, 2010, 02:17:45 PM
Sisi, Nene, Marie, Mathilde & Ludwig all had dark hair like Duke Max.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: THERRY on October 13, 2010, 05:07:58 AM
A stylish and elegant princess Amelie in Bayern born Saxe-Coburg-Gotha
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1102/scansione0014t.jpg) (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/scansione0014t.jpg/)
1892 By Dittmar , Munich
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2010, 06:02:48 PM
She was elegant but died too young... :(
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 22, 2010, 11:55:28 AM
A stylish and elegant princess Amelie in Bayern born Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

What an amazing picture! I have never seen a photo of Amélie which was taken shortly before her death. She reminds me a lot of her mother Clémentine and her sister Clotilde who also gained weight in their later years.

Amélie wrote "1893" on the photo. So I guess it must have been taken before June, because on 12 June 1893 her husband Max Emanuel died. As a widow she wouldn't have worn such an elegant dress, would she?
Or was the photo really done in 1892 as Therry wrote and Amélie dedicated it to her aunt ("Für die theuere Tante") one year later?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 22, 2010, 05:50:21 PM
Yes. She was devestated by his death and soon followed him to the grave.  :(
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Veronica on May 10, 2011, 05:48:31 PM
Max Emanuel and Amalie

(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5116/maxemanuel189403.jpg)

(http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/1858/amaliecoburg189403.jpg)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: THERRY on May 11, 2011, 06:25:44 AM
Thank You Veronica. Two wonderful photos and absolutely new
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Veronica on May 18, 2011, 06:07:09 PM
You're welcome. I've noticed that the picture I posted of Amalie was taken in the same ocassion that the one you posted Therry.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Marc on June 30, 2011, 09:50:07 AM
One more bigger photo of Amelie in 18th century dress(thanks to our fellow poster Beladona):

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/amelie.jpg)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 30, 2011, 10:49:16 AM
That was on sale a while ago on Ebay. I think it fetched more than USD 200...
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Zukunftsseele on July 01, 2011, 04:35:10 AM
That's not unusual for a royalty cabinet card. And it was even done by the famous Adčle studio and is in good condition and a rare one. So the price is fair.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 01, 2011, 10:22:04 AM
Yes. They are getting more and more expensive.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: THERRY on March 11, 2013, 04:23:30 AM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/t6yr8y.jpg)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 11, 2013, 11:23:02 AM
The photo taken after the wedding. There is another one of them with wedding clothes on. This is more like the "going away" clothes.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 07, 2013, 08:50:36 AM
Duchess Amalie

(http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/8933/amalie01.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/amalie01.jpg/)

Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 07, 2013, 09:05:45 AM
A slightly different version of the well-known wedding picture

(http://imageshack.us/a/img843/2705/amaliemaxemanuel.jpg)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 07, 2013, 12:29:06 PM
I think both are on sale on Ebay, the marriage photo is priced very expensive...
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 07, 2013, 06:58:42 PM
Yup, both and a beautiful cabinet card of Max s nieces Marie Gabrielle, Sophie and Elizabeth

In fact the seller is user of this forum Eastern Window.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 09, 2013, 12:04:45 AM
Priced very expensively. Much more than the Protestant Royals.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: grandduchessella on April 09, 2013, 11:31:16 AM
I think it has more to do with the rarity of their images rather than the religion. I've purchased some in the past and drooled over others out of my price range. :)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 10, 2013, 12:34:52 AM
Yes. I got a card out of his sister Nene once. Never saw one again lately.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 10, 2013, 06:50:29 AM
This image was on sale in a german auction house with the two rare and new ones of Kaiserin Sissi. And there was already expensive.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 10, 2013, 04:45:49 PM
I think I saw it on Ebay...
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 10, 2013, 05:38:31 PM
Yes, They are in Eastern-Window ebay store, but they were first in Ursula Nusser´s auction house. Eastern Window bought em from there.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: grandduchessella on April 10, 2013, 08:48:50 PM
Reselling often drives the price up. I bought a half dozen of Marie Leiningen, Victoria Melita and family from one ebay seller, who had more than one copy, and that same lot was resold by another seller on ebay for about 3x what i paid for them. I think it all depends on the timing, keywords, etc...Some sellers just strike better than others.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 10, 2013, 08:53:07 PM
Yes. I got 2 cards from them. They are fabulous and will appear in my next book. No better to do than share the images.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: grandduchessella on April 11, 2013, 01:30:06 PM
The Bavarian or Leiningen ones?
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: TampaBay on April 11, 2013, 06:33:24 PM
Reselling often drives the price up. I bought a half dozen of Marie Leiningen, Victoria Melita and family from one ebay seller, who had more than one copy, and that same lot was resold by another seller on ebay for about 3x what i paid for them. I think it all depends on the timing, keywords, etc...Some sellers just strike better than others.

I would love to spend about a week in your library with your books and pictures. 

I'll bring the wine, cheese and even order a pizza!  LOL! LOL!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: grandduchessella on April 11, 2013, 08:30:49 PM
Sounds good TB! LOL I've actually taken it down a notch in recent years. My prior ebay addiction was pretty bad. :/  Still, I'm always adding photos in the hopes of someday.... :) I still get that thrill when you find a new photo--it gets harder and harder as the years go on. The internet has been a blessing in that respective. As you can see from this thread, elsewhere on the Forum and all over tumblr, etc....there are just some fabulously rare images out there. :)
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 11, 2013, 09:08:50 PM
Sounds good to me too. I was talking about the Leiningens ones. I got some cdvs of Sisi and her sisters and brothers too.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: TampaBay on April 12, 2013, 05:21:00 PM
Sounds good to me too. I was talking about the Leiningens ones. I got some cdvs of Sisi and her sisters and brothers too.

What are cdvs?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Veronica on April 12, 2013, 06:36:39 PM
A cdv is a photo, the initials stand for "carte de visite".
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 12, 2013, 08:02:07 PM
Indeed. Haven't seen one of Max or his siblings for a long time...
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: grandduchessella on April 13, 2013, 06:36:43 PM
Sounds good to me too. I was talking about the Leiningens ones. I got some cdvs of Sisi and her sisters and brothers too.

What are cdvs?

TampaBay

They are those smaller photo cards (smaller than postcards) you see from roughly the 1840s-1870s. After that, the larger cabinet cards became more popular. As Veronica said, it stands for carte de visite.
Title: Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 14, 2013, 12:09:56 AM
Yes. Most of Sisi and her siblings came from cdvs. Only later ones are cabinet cards.