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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Tatiana Nicholaievna => Topic started by: KarlandZita on February 19, 2006, 09:23:08 AM

Title: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: KarlandZita on February 19, 2006, 09:23:08 AM
I've noticed that Tatiana and Maria were not often taken together on photos. If you observe, you can see more pictures of Tatiana with Olga and Anastasia but not a lot with Maria. Why this ? And does anyone have pictures where the two sisters posed together, please ?
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Katia on February 19, 2006, 10:11:05 AM
It's true. Looking at the scarpbooks @livadia.org I could find tons of photos with Olga&Tania, Olga&Maria, Maria&Anastasia etc. But only this with Tatiana&Maria:
http://www.livadia.org/mashka/images/tm1914_1.jpg
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: grandduchess_42 on February 19, 2006, 10:24:58 AM
this one looks like her and maria (http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/tsardaughterwork.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on February 19, 2006, 11:58:57 AM
No, I think that's just Tatiana...
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on February 19, 2006, 12:09:16 PM
Tatiana and Maria on horses (http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/3516/tm5lh.png)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Sarushka on February 19, 2006, 12:26:18 PM
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this one looks like her and maria (http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/tsardaughterwork.jpg)

I believe that's either Catherine Schneider or Countess Hendrikova with Tatiana.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: grandduchess_42 on February 19, 2006, 05:15:14 PM
ah ok

this one is them... with nastya. (http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/anamashtat1917.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on February 19, 2006, 06:15:06 PM
This (http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/425/img1056gq.png) is Tatiana and Maria. I said it was Olga and Maria earlier. Sorry...
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Margarita Markovna on February 19, 2006, 07:16:48 PM
Anastasia too (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/margaritamarkovna/Romanov%20Photos/TMAStandart.jpg)

Unfortunately most of the rest of the photos in my photobucket account are formals, and unless OA were there too, TM were never in formals together.  :-/
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: imperial angel on February 20, 2006, 11:15:09 AM
They were not generally photographed together because of the age difference in formal photos, and they had other sisters to pose with. In informal photos, it might be because they might not have been as close to each other as to other of their sisters. However, there are some photos of them together, as the Romanovs took many photos. I love formal photos, and thanks to Ritka for posting all those. ;D
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Missy-T on February 21, 2006, 06:40:06 AM
I found a couple on my computer:
TatianaMaria (http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7017/63zv.jpg)
Sleeping (http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8683/197984824tsozwkph3hz2yh.jpg)
Tennis (http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/678/album3page4b3vi.jpg)
Toddlers (http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3205/kopievanmarietatialittle7uy.jpg)
Tennis (http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2555/10000595rx.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on February 21, 2006, 09:56:20 AM
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They were not generally photographed together because of the age difference in formal photos, and they had other sisters to pose with. In informal photos, it might be because they might not have been as close to each other as to other of their sisters. However, there are some photos of them together, as the Romanovs took many photos. I love formal photos, and thanks to Ritka for posting all those. ;D



This is interesting.  Were Tatiana and Maria ever considered 'less close' to each other than the other sisters?

Only having one sister myself, I can't imagine what it would be like having three sisters and what the family dynamic would be like between them.  My aunt has four daughters and a son in exactly the same age pattern as the IF, and I know that my two middle cousins barely speak because they have nothing in common.

Does anyone know anything about this? Were there stronger bonds between certain sisters and weaker ones with others? It does seem strange that there are practically no intimate photos of T&M, and an explanation would be that they simply were not close/didn't enjoy spending time together.

Sorry to take this OT, but it just interested me.

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: imperial angel on February 21, 2006, 10:32:07 AM
Well, I think there was a Big Pair, and a Little Pair, and that this was generally observed. It could be a formal generalization, but it could also be a quite realistic divide. This formality is no doubt why there aren't so many formal photos of them together, and informal ones, could be explained by the informal divide of not being that close in personality. The personality's of Tatiana and Marie were rather different, but all of the sisters were unsually close, more so I judge than most sisters.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on February 21, 2006, 10:43:51 AM
I know about the big pair little pair divide, but there seems to be a few photos of Olga and Maria, Olga and Anastasia, Anastasia and Tatiana and so on, but so few of Tatiana and Maria. I'm thinking that maybe there was a specific Tatiana and Maria lack of closeness, even though, generally, the girls are described as being close knit.

I also read somewhere that Maria felt left out a lot of the time, especially when she was younger, as Anastasia and Alexei were closer and Olga and Tatiana were obviously close.

I imagine that it must have been difficult for each sister to have an equally close relationship with each other.  I am sure that they all loved each other the same, but it's highly likely that the sisters had preferences of who they would rather spend time with.  Perhaps Tatiana and Maria just had little in common?

Rachel
xx

Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Georgiy on February 21, 2006, 01:52:00 PM
It is also true that 16 photo albums (off hand) were taken from Ekaterinburg to Moscow. Going from the Yale albums, there must be 100s of photos in each album. We have only scratched the surface of potential Romanov photos. There could well be a plethora of Tatiana with Maria photos in GARF.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: imperial angel on February 22, 2006, 08:25:27 AM
Yes, that could well be that there are more photos out there that show them together. I hate to make conclusions and the like unless there is firm evidence of what I am saying, and it is reasonable. I don't know if the lack or percieved lack of photos of Tatiana and Marie together, has anything to do with any divide in personality or not, or anything to do with closeness. It was just a suggestion, perhaps a rather interesting one.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: imperial angel on February 24, 2006, 08:45:44 AM
There is a really cute picture of Marie and Tatiana with kittens in the Alexei with kittens thread taken around 1905-1907, really a must see, rather rare I think. Of course, perhaps I like it more because I love cats. ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on February 24, 2006, 10:10:26 AM
That photo is sweet, Imperial_Angel, thanks for the pointer. :)

However, I can't help but notice how distant they are.  I may be doing a Sigmund Freud and running away with myself here, but they just don't look comfortable together in the picture.

Of course, as Georgy quite rightly said, there may very well be a plethora of photos of Tatiana and Maria together.  But, the more I think about it, the more I seem to think that there was some sort of difference between the sisters.  I don't feel that there was between any other of the sisters, it's just that Tatiana and Maria seem, to me, to be so different as to have nothing in common.  The way they're in that picture together just looks so awkward, like they're two strangers instead of sisters.

Ok, I need to stop the Freud analysing now.  This is what happens to you when you do Literature degrees.  You analyse EVERYTHING. ;)

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Emilia on February 24, 2006, 10:38:30 AM
Tatiana and Maria and an umbrella
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6208/e216iz.th.jpg) (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e216iz.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: imperial angel on February 24, 2006, 10:44:58 AM
Yes, analysing is great, but you can get too far out to space in historical opinions, if you start saying psychology this and that, or any other academic discipline. I think you are aware of that though. ;) I think it is a valid point whatever the photos show ( and they rather seem to support what we think), that Marie and Tatiana had very different personalities, and not that much in common. They were close being raised together with not so much outside contac, but other than that may not have had anything in common, besides the obvious.

Otma were very close, but sometimes in pairs, and Tatiana and Marie seem rather different to me, although they loved each other as sisters. I have a younger sister, and we have nothing in common, personalities that are polar opposites, and barely say a word to each other. And there is only a few photos of us together in the last few years, and we don't look close.  We don't say anything to each other because there isn't much to say. That's just my own experience. However, I think Tatiana and Marie were most likely closer than that, but not particularly close.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on February 24, 2006, 10:59:18 AM
I think that's a good analogy with your own experience, Imperial Angel.  And don't worry, I am fully aware of the limitations of analysing realtionships through grainy photographs.  However, body language is a proven indicator of what's really going on in a relationship, so I don't think it's completely lacking in substance.

My sister and I are best friends, and that comes through in the photographs we have of us together.  In the photos of Tatiana and Marie, there is no warmth and no 'connection' between them as far as I can see.

While I am sure they loved each other just as much as they loved every other member of their family, I think they had very little in common.  And that's not just an opinion formed from analysing photographs in a pseudo-Freudian manner, but from considering their personalities too.  I could be completely off here, but hey..it's an interesting point for discussion.

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: imperial angel on February 24, 2006, 11:08:16 AM
yes, body language is something that is a good indicator in photos. I think all things like history and psychology can inform one another, within reason. You are a execellant example of using things within reason, to be informative, and not ''out there''. I think you do a great analysis of things. Anyway, yes, both in body langauage,in what we know of them in history, and in personalities they do seem to be sisters who I am sure didn't hate each other, but were opposites.
Tatiana and Marie were very different people, and in the most recently posted photo, I think their distance is rather apparent in body language.Just my opinion, but I agree with Ra- Ra-  Rasputin in this. They are both very cute in this photo, but look distant.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on February 24, 2006, 11:11:56 AM
Thank you very much. :)  I do my best.

Paying through the nose for university education has to have benefitted me somehow...;)

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Aliss_Kande on February 24, 2006, 05:43:45 PM
I always thought the most recent photo was of Olga and Marie? ???
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Sophia_Skymind on February 24, 2006, 06:46:30 PM
Hi!

Me too, I always thought the last pic was of Olga and Maria. But here I have one that's for sure of Tatiana and Maria, around 1908, on the Standart. Aren't they cute?  :) I don't think it has been posted before on this thread.

(http://www.livadia.org/mashka/images/tm1908_1.jpg)

Well, as for weither Tatiana and Maria were close, here is my opnion: we know the girls almost naturally splited up in pairs, little and big. So it's kind of natural that there must have been greater complicity between the girls who shared a bedroom, meaning, OT versus MA.

I don't think it has much to do with age differences, rather  with personnality. Tatiana probably felt closer to Olga's reflexions about life in general, then Maria's games and, hum...flirts? ;D And don't forget that Maria, being paired with Nastya, was treated for a long time by her family as younger then she really was (read that in a lady-in-waiting's book, I think).

I think it also depends of the year we consider. If we talk about Maria's early years, then Tatiana surely felt closer to Olga then to her smallest siblings, which she made a point of honour to herself to protect. Remember they called her the Governess...Later, it may have changed, when Maria grew, and Nastya was still a child, and maybe still wished to remain so for a while.

I've got lots of brothers and sisters myself, and I feel close to all of them. But I share different kinds of closeness with all of them. It may seems strange, but not so when you're living in it. Every family has it's own dynamics, and personnality is like a bubble lamp: it changes only slightly all the time, not enough for an outsider to see it, but enough for it's owner to notice it.
( I like psychology: that's my field of study. I'm in university, too. Just finished mid-terms exams, in fact. ;D )

Here are links to photos that (I believe) show sparks of friendship and complicity between Tatiana and Maria.

With Olga:
http://www.livadia.org/mashka/images/OTMnew.jpg

OTMAA in 1906 (I like the way they're holding hands)
http://www.glintofgold.org/romanovs/pics/otmaa1906-2.jpg

OTMA, 1906 (They all look both close and distant. Beautiful. You can almost feel the link between them, they're like roots from the same tree)
http://www.livadia.org/ana/1901-1906/23.jpg

P.S.: The second photo comes from Glint of Gold. I don't know who colored it. I'm posting it because it's the only place where I remember I could find it. I'm sorry if it offends anyone, for it's surely wasn't my intention.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Margarita Markovna on February 25, 2006, 11:16:46 AM
Sorry, don't have the b&w, but putting them here because someone probably does, and these are jsut examples:

TMA (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/margaritamarkovna/TMAswing.jpg)

OTM (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/margaritamarkovna/OTMboatcolored.jpg)

Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Missy-T on February 25, 2006, 04:50:23 PM
B&W:
OTM (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/199/otmsweaters5rx.jpg)
TMA (http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/881/tmaswings3uo.jpg)
Like the coloring btw ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Petrushka on February 25, 2006, 06:29:00 PM
Hi all, just a couple of small points on this. I have a huge amount of books etc and would tend to agree there are less of M&T together specifically.
As you've said I'd rather not speculate on any discontent or potential preference between the family - what certainly seems to be true (if we accept the vast majority of personality descriptions) is that M&T probably had the most obviously different outlook on people and life - with Tatiana being viewed by most as particularly like her mother - regal and somewhat haughty, whilst Maria seems always to be described as very warm, open and quite removed from her imperial status. At a very basic level we could summise a real difference therefore.
One point worth mentioning however, is that Maria seems to be responsible for a larger number of published photos than the other girls. I think there is a noticably higher number of pictures featuring OTA and Alexei /Nicholas where one can only assume Maria was busily snapping away (as much as you can with a box brownie). I'd like to think this is the main explanation.

It's funny the more I explore this site the more I see others recognising little things I always thought only I would notice!

I need to try and not be so selfish with 'my' Romanov's...
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Holly on February 26, 2006, 11:23:26 AM
The photo labled Tatiana and Maria with the umbrella is actually Olga and Maria. ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: otmafan on February 26, 2006, 01:42:53 PM
Tatiana and Maria on the Standart:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/otmafan/tatianaandmaria.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: imperial angel on February 27, 2006, 08:24:02 AM
Thanks for telling me that we had that photo labeled wrong! I can't believe we did that! I think the photos of them when they are younger could well show more closeness, because usually siblings are closer when they are younger, despite differences of personality. Also, in formal photos which are more posed, they could have been put closer apart than they were in actual distance, in daily life. It is so easy to mix up photos of otma when they were young children. They were very cute, but hard to tell apart. As they grew older this changed, of course. And thanks to the person who posted the photo of them with the kittens in this thread. Generally, I think there is a valid point in what we said about the differences between Tatiana and Marie.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: KarlandZita on March 05, 2006, 12:16:15 PM
I think that Tatiana was more close to her sisters Olga and Anastasia than Maria. Of course, the big pair and the little pair were frequently separated and Tatiana was the best friend of Olga but on several pictures, Anastasia posed often near Tatiana and Olga near Maria. For me, it's evident that when you are photographed by your father or your mother, you want to pose near your favourite sister.
And if you observe the pictures of OTMA, you can notice that it's often the case for Tatiana and Anastasia.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: imperial angel on March 13, 2006, 10:55:06 AM
About Tatiana and Anastasia: There is plenty of evidence they were close, although it is hard to say how much. Marie and Tatiana were more distant, for lots of reasons that you can name. Certainly you can tell alot from body language in photos. It is interesting, the issue of the closeness of the sisters, all quite close, but some more distant than others to each other.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: otma_duchess_3 on May 03, 2006, 05:07:02 PM
i have sceen some of them together not not a lot mabe like one  or two ever other year or some thing like that ....but there is won where Tatiana is holding marie's hand i have it i just dont know how to put it on the post thingy but if can find out how i will put it up here if i can ...but any way's :)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: observer on June 05, 2006, 03:13:28 PM
As always, we have the disadvantage of about a hundred years and thousands of miles in between us and them and so most of our information is speculation gleaned simply from photos, selected diary entries and letters, and the accounts of others. I think it's safe to say that Tatiana and Maria probably had less in common than there other sisters but there is also no real evidence of a great rift or an irreparable falling out between them. In that case, I like to believe that there was love between them and enjoyment of each other depite the lack of photographic evidence.
 I think of two particular moments when Tatiana showed a real concern with Maria. The first being the incident with her Refugee Committee when Maria accompanied her and Niedhardt unexpectedly greeted Maria with her full title. Tatiana seemed amused and affectionate toward her sister's shy embarrasment.
Secondly, I look at the picture of Tatiana and Maria sprawled out and resting in the field with Maria sleeping with her head rested on Tatiana while Tatiana peers at the camera looking slightly annoyed. It's nice to think that maybe she was saying, "Hey, why are you waking us up, huh?"
Just my opinion but oh well
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: imperial angel on June 08, 2006, 11:35:26 AM
Observer does have a valid point, and I enjoyed her post. There is no evidence that some of the sisters had fallen out with each other, fought all the time or had some huge rift between them. We were merely saying that they were less close to each other than others of the sisters. It is hard to prove this from old photos alone, and body language in them. We don't really have any other solid proof, although reading accounts of them by those who knew them, and also family letters, you can draw conclusions. And just because they might have been less close, doesn't mean that otma were not much closer than most sisters.They were, and that is admirable, in my view. It's natural for some siblings to be closer to some siblings than others might be in the same family.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: KarlandZita on June 10, 2006, 05:25:58 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/OTMA/mtn1915crimea.jpg)
Marie and Tatiana with their father during World War I in Crimea, 1915
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Justine on June 10, 2006, 06:34:33 AM
That was Maria? I always think, that was Olga
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: OlgaNRomanovaFan on June 10, 2006, 06:57:24 AM
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That was Maria? I always think, that was Olga

I thought it was Olga at first too, but it is indeed Maria.

Sorry if this have been posted before :

Maria and Tatiana Riding -
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/OlgaNRomanovaFan/th_MariaandTatiana.jpg) (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/OlgaNRomanovaFan/MariaandTatiana.jpg)

Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: grandduchess_42 on June 10, 2006, 10:46:38 AM
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(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/OTMA/mtn1915crimea.jpg)
Marie and Tatiana with their father during World War I in Crimea, 1915

was that their last time in the crimea?
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: divine_grace on June 10, 2006, 08:13:40 PM
Guys, the picture of Maria and Tatiana with their father was actually taken in the Alexander Palace or Peterhof. I don't think it was in the Crimea. The year was 1915 definitely.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on December 08, 2006, 09:40:13 PM
Here are Tatiana and Maria, I believe in Moscow.

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3462/bfbftr9.th.png) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bfbftr9.png)
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8637/hjhlv2.th.png) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hjhlv2.png)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: grandduchess_42 on December 09, 2006, 09:09:45 AM
thats great!

what event what event was that?
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: KarlandZita on January 21, 2007, 09:26:41 AM
Found on ebay :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/OTMA/mt.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: grandduchess_42 on January 21, 2007, 09:46:53 AM
isn't there a full to that one?
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: KarlandZita on January 21, 2007, 10:03:42 AM
isn't there a full to that one?


Yes, it's about a detail of a photo where one sees also Alix and her 3 other daughters.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: grandduchess_42 on January 21, 2007, 10:27:48 AM
yeah... do you have the full picture?
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Sarushka on January 21, 2007, 10:43:43 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/NAOTMAA%20assorted/th_alixotma1913.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/NAOTMAA%20assorted/alixotma1913.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: azrael7171918 on January 21, 2007, 11:42:04 PM
Here are Tatiana and Maria, I believe in Moscow.

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3462/bfbftr9.th.png) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bfbftr9.png)
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8637/hjhlv2.th.png) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hjhlv2.png)

I thought this was the laying of the cornerstone for something.

Azrael
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Sarushka on January 22, 2007, 08:20:04 AM
Here are Tatiana and Maria, I believe in Moscow.
I thought this was the laying of the cornerstone for something.
Don't they have cornerstones in Moscow?  ;)


Teasing aside, I think you're right. Tatiana's hair appears to be up, which would date the photo to 1913 or later. The whole arrangement looks very similar to the laying of the Fedorovsky Sobor's cornerstone a year or so earlier. I would imagine the IF took part in many of these sort of ceremonies during the tercentenary year.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Georgiy on January 23, 2007, 01:14:24 AM
You can see that Anastasia and the Empress's arm have been photoshopped out.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Sarushka on January 23, 2007, 04:10:09 PM
Here are Tatiana and Maria, I believe in Moscow.

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3462/bfbftr9.th.png) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bfbftr9.png)
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8637/hjhlv2.th.png) (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hjhlv2.png)

matushka posted this photo on another thread, and I believe it could be from the same day:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Ceremonies/th_Kronstadt10june1913.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Ceremonies/Kronstadt10june1913.jpg)

Kronstadt, June 10, 1913. Consecration of a chapel for sailors.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: grandduchess_42 on January 23, 2007, 04:16:27 PM
You can see that Anastasia and the Empress's arm have been photoshopped out.

really!?
it looks pretty natural to me!
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Sarushka on January 23, 2007, 06:33:27 PM
You can see that Anastasia and the Empress's arm have been photoshopped out.

really!?
it looks pretty natural to me!

He means in the cropped version that was originally posted:
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/OTMA/mt.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: grandduchess_42 on January 23, 2007, 07:42:55 PM
so you mean cropped? not photoshoped?
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Sarushka on January 23, 2007, 08:59:45 PM
so you mean cropped? not photoshoped?

Both, actually. See, if you crop the original like this, Alexandra and Anastasia's arms & shoulders should still be visible:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/altered%20or%20hilighted/th_alixotma1913.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/altered%20or%20hilighted/alixotma1913.jpg)


So somebody -- probably an eBay seller -- must have photoshopped the cropped version to edit out the extra arms and shoulders, and then reconstructed the portions of Tatiana's blouse and skirt that weren't visible in the original shot.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: matushka on January 24, 2007, 03:34:51 PM
Sarushka, the 2 pictures were definitely not taken the same day. Look at the Emperor's uniform, they are differents. And the first event (our not identified picture) is evidently the laying of a cornerstone, when in the 2nd case it is the consecration of a new built church (you can see a little part of it on the picture).
I check the Nicolas's diary for 1913, part of it. There was no laying of cornestone in Moscow. There was one for example in Kostroma the 20 of May. Every member of the family lay his own stone for a memorial. That could be a date, but I remember other clothes and hats for the Kostroma's celebrations. I will check my pictures.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Georgiy on May 06, 2007, 12:23:08 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Georgiy/DSCN4110.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Stasie on July 15, 2007, 11:41:10 AM
with their Mama and Papa:
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/otmaa/Marie%20and%20Tatiana/1001886.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: GDLynn on January 03, 2008, 08:31:08 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/OTMA/mtn1915crimea.jpg)
Marie and Tatiana with their father during World War I in Crimea, 1915

is it just me or dose Tatiana's face look almost photoshopped in? maybe I'm seeing it but I've always thought that it did!

Lynn
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: grandduchess_42 on January 03, 2008, 11:04:16 PM
haha... so does Nicky's
but i think its just the quality of the picture.

Can you image one of the Romanov's pictures taken by one of our camera's today! :o
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Holly on February 19, 2008, 10:55:16 AM
Special treasure chest beckeine:)

Could you tell me specifically where you found it or what album? I looked through every one and I couldn't find it.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 19, 2008, 11:51:19 AM
It is just cropped from a bigger picture. But I cant recall which album was it.

Here is my full version of it: http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/OTMAsotcemuvelkhokamene-1.jpg?t=1203443452
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Sophia_Skymind on September 10, 2008, 10:23:15 AM
Hello!

I know, no one posted something over there in a long time, but look what I found! Olga, Anastasia, Tatiana and Maria, around 1906. They're so cute... By the way, Hi again everyone, for I haven't been here for a while myself.
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Small%20kids%202/b8fb9491.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: historyfan on January 12, 2009, 10:09:59 PM
My apologies if this has already been brought up in this thread, but I do not have time to read all 7 pages!  lol

I was going to post a new thread but maybe it belongs here.

Has anyone else noticed the inference, in photos, that Tatiana and Maria are farther apart in age than Tatiana and Olga, even though they are evenly spaced?  I think perhaps it's just because of that narrow gap between Tatiana being "of age" to wear her hair up and Maria not yet being of such an age. 

I don't know if I'm putting my thought into words very well here, but it's struck me often, looking at OTMA photos.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Olga Maria on May 19, 2009, 07:26:26 PM
(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/th_5g7g4.jpg) (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/5g7g4.jpg)

I hope it's not late to post....
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 20, 2009, 12:01:16 PM
The nurse is Olga and I think behind her is Maria - Im not sure about the third person though...
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Olga Maria on May 20, 2009, 01:33:25 PM
but i saw it in the APTM site that this is Tatyana.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 20, 2009, 01:56:35 PM
You mean the third person? Could be.... unfortunatelly the face is badly visible...
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Olga Maria on May 20, 2009, 07:55:11 PM
Oh! I mean the nurse. Here's the link: Dining Room (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/girlsdining.html)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 21, 2009, 03:04:23 AM
Actually Im quite convinced thats Olga - judging from the shape of the nose.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: nena on May 21, 2009, 09:07:14 AM
That photo is so interesting, wonder where it was taken? At AP? Or at Lazaret? I am not sure which girl is there. I'd guess Olga too, but she is bit tall to be her.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Sarushka on May 21, 2009, 10:29:29 AM
That photo is so interesting, wonder where it was taken? At AP?

Yes, the children's upstairs dining room at the AP.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Olga Maria on July 10, 2009, 10:47:20 AM
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6813/941x.th.jpg) (http://img194.imageshack.us/my.php?image=941x.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: KarlandZita on July 18, 2009, 05:29:54 AM
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6813/941x.th.jpg) (http://img194.imageshack.us/my.php?image=941x.jpg)

Wonderful, thank You very much !!! Now, my favorite picture of the two sisters together...
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Olga Maria on July 25, 2009, 03:09:16 AM
You are so welcome!

I hope you love this, too, though Olga is also there. Not good quality, too. So sorry about it.

(http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/594/otm1.th.jpg) (http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=otm1.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: nena on July 25, 2009, 03:44:55 AM
I wonder who is person behind Maria, reaching her hand to a man. And I have often noticed that during some excursions,or at vacations, not all of members of IF were presented during taking photos. Where is Anastasia? Could girl be her in that one?
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: blessOTMA on November 07, 2010, 10:40:13 PM
This has been posted, but this file has better quality ....marvelous photo. Amazing how much Marie looks like Olga here

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/KR%20funeral%20painting/th_MariaTatianaNicky.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/KR%20funeral%20painting/MariaTatianaNicky.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: blessOTMA on November 23, 2010, 11:32:19 PM
MN and TN at Krasnoe-Selo 1913....Olga behind Marie. The family watched the reviews on a rather high artificial hill. It was windy up there!

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_OMT1913.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/OMT1913.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: voyageroffreedom on November 24, 2010, 10:54:43 AM
Annie thank you so much <3 for all those larges scan pictures that you have posted last night, especially the ones of my favorite GD smiling :D
Sorry if posted before, Tatiana and Maria with family members:
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z401/v0yager/Tatiana/th_o9878934i85324sdrf43293874ryud.jpg) (http://s1188.photobucket.com/albums/z401/v0yager/Tatiana/?action=view&current=o9878934i85324sdrf43293874ryud.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Holly on November 24, 2010, 11:52:25 AM
I wonder who is person behind Maria, reaching her hand to a man. And I have often noticed that during some excursions,or at vacations, not all of members of IF were presented during taking photos. Where is Anastasia? Could girl be her in that one?

The woman reaching her hand isn't Anastasia. It's likely Anastasia was the photographer, perhaps.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Condecontessa on November 24, 2010, 10:38:35 PM
Can someone please identify the rest of the people in the pic? Thanks :)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: voyageroffreedom on November 25, 2010, 03:45:38 AM
Im not an expert but I will say this picture is taken outside Russia, I recognize some of the faces but their names escape me for the moment I wish I didnt have a golden fish memory when it comes to remembering faces and names. Just an offside note, someone mentioned to me that they werent able to save some pics that I saved due my privacy settings, so if you want to save a picture that I posted but you are unable to do so, you can send me a message and I will send it to you.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Justine on November 25, 2010, 06:09:53 AM
imho, it was taken during 1910 trip to Darmstadt. I think next to Alix is her sister Irene of Prussia, but it's as much as I can say...
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: voyageroffreedom on November 25, 2010, 06:26:07 AM
Yes you are right, it definitely looks Darmstadt to me and yeah that Irene next to Alix thanks for refreshing my memory :)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: blessOTMA on November 28, 2010, 12:27:44 AM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_KS1913.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/KS1913.jpg)

This goes with my post #81....of Tatiana and Marie at  Krasnoe-Selo 1913. Here we can see the family on  the high artificial hill where they watched the military  review with their suite and guests . Alix is using her field glasses
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Dru on October 06, 2012, 02:28:44 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8322/8060324654_1a75afb335_b.jpg)

Tatiana and Maria, courtesy of TheMauveRoom.  If you haven't seen her site, you should check it out :)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: TimM on October 07, 2012, 10:51:09 AM
Ah, I've never seen this picture.  I'll have to check out that site you mentioned, Amanda.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Bryndis on October 21, 2012, 12:51:41 AM
Is there a "fulller" version of the first one?

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag150/Bryndis3/tma_zps2d555d35.jpg)

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag150/Bryndis3/1001884_zps41ba6587.jpg)

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag150/Bryndis3/1000051_zpsff440d42.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Hikari on October 21, 2012, 08:15:57 AM
yes there is :)

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/natsafan/231908OTMAAfl.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Neeosine on June 03, 2013, 07:53:38 PM
It seems rare to have only Maria and Tatiana together in a photo without screen clipping. Here's two:
(http://i.imgur.com/lTBkxG8.png)

(Behind the 5th man)

(http://i.imgur.com/wz5FiRt.png)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Ally Kumari on June 11, 2013, 04:33:24 AM
http://i.imgur.com/wz5FiRt.png

I always thought the girl on the right is Olga, but I could be wrong....
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Bryndis on July 10, 2013, 03:27:05 PM
(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag150/Bryndis3/532295_493182180735069_1116631403_n_zpsd2a09f71.jpg) (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/Bryndis3/media/532295_493182180735069_1116631403_n_zpsd2a09f71.jpg.html)

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag150/Bryndis3/1915_zps412b53f7.jpg) (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/Bryndis3/media/1915_zps412b53f7.jpg.html)

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag150/Bryndis3/197984824tsozwkph3hz_zpse32226ec.jpg) (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/Bryndis3/media/197984824tsozwkph3hz_zpse32226ec.jpg.html)

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag150/Bryndis3/1914moscow_zps04f201a2.jpg) (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/Bryndis3/media/1914moscow_zps04f201a2.jpg.html)

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag150/Bryndis3/1914livadia_zpsb45d3d93.jpg) (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/Bryndis3/media/1914livadia_zpsb45d3d93.jpg.html)

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag150/Bryndis3/1916_zps208f4bef.jpg) (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/Bryndis3/media/1916_zps208f4bef.jpg.html)

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag150/Bryndis3/1901ca_zpscd85a471.jpg) (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/Bryndis3/media/1901ca_zpscd85a471.jpg.html)

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag150/Bryndis3/95619d8dba26_zps685e3d96.jpg) (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/Bryndis3/media/95619d8dba26_zps685e3d96.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: edubs31 on July 10, 2013, 10:53:14 PM
That photo with Nicholas (?) tossing her up in the air is new to me. How adorable and a neat shot! Her dress fans out perfectly.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Rodney_G. on July 11, 2013, 12:59:23 PM
Definitely agreed, Edubs, they did love and have fun with Papa. And what is that whitish thing appearing near the right hand of the daughter on the ground? No clue here.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Jen_94 on July 11, 2013, 01:07:35 PM
I love the photo of Maria being tossed up in the air! So sweet.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Kassafrass on December 03, 2013, 01:23:23 AM
About March-April of 1914

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-v82nCOos1fs/Up1uvMNGD2I/AAAAAAAADnM/MX81kwkl6pg/w796-h552-no/1914+March-April+TM+Standart+1.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 12, 2017, 01:20:56 PM
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/18f9fca32b03b16ac35be37bd901b1e2/tumblr_oob56oqphz1rh07xwo2_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: TimM on April 21, 2017, 06:17:11 AM
I like these.
Title: Re: Tatiana with Maria pictures
Post by: edubs31 on April 24, 2017, 11:52:59 AM
About March-April of 1914

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-v82nCOos1fs/Up1uvMNGD2I/AAAAAAAADnM/MX81kwkl6pg/w796-h552-no/1914+March-April+TM+Standart+1.jpg)

Those pre-war 1914 photos are just timeless. Formal and informal alike. Something about how OTMA looked in this brief period that stands out above others to me. Perhaps it was simply fated that way. End of a certain innocence and a world that they would never quite recapture once the war began.