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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Windsors => Topic started by: grandduchessella on February 25, 2006, 06:46:58 PM

Title: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on February 25, 2006, 06:46:58 PM
Tsaria asked that a new thread on Eddy be started because of the size of the other one. This was one of the last photos I'd posted on the original so thought I'd use it as a jump off for this one:


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/britain/File0714eddyw.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on February 26, 2006, 02:28:48 AM
Marvellous...one can never have too much Eddy... :P :-*

It's time I made a pictorial contribution here, I feel.

Eddy and George in Brisbane, Australia, 1881.  :D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/EddyBrisbane.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: ChristineM on February 26, 2006, 03:36:16 AM
Thank you grandduchessella - brilliant beginning.

tsaria
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Booklady on February 26, 2006, 02:12:56 PM
 :DThank you, Grace, for that rare photo indeed.  Let's keep it going.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on February 26, 2006, 02:25:41 PM
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Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on February 26, 2006, 09:59:04 PM
Here's the full image of the one print of Eddy. It was a 2-page spread in the ILN. I think this is one of the first Eddy purchases I ever made. Even though the ILN usually called him Prince Albert Victor, the caption says HRH Prince Victor of Wales

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/britain/eddyilnw.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on February 27, 2006, 01:24:02 PM
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Prince Albert Victors funeral.
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Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on February 28, 2006, 01:17:02 PM
Goodness  is that him on his deathbed     how sad :'(    wonder what sort of King he wouldve made    under what name would he rule? ???   what would the Monarchy look like today
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on February 28, 2006, 03:59:08 PM
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Goodness  is that him on his deathbed     how sad :'(    wonder what sort of King he wouldve made    under what name would he rule? ???   what would the Monarchy look like today


That is a drawing. There was an actual photograph of Eddy on his death bed posted on the other thread. (Last few pages)

Eddy would have been Edward VIII.  
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: anabel on February 28, 2006, 04:07:38 PM
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Eddy would have been Edward VIII.  


Queen Victoria would have prefered Albert I.! ;D ;)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on February 28, 2006, 04:12:48 PM
Those who have queries regarding Eddy and his life could read the new book Prince Eddy: The King Britain Never Had.

It paints a more realistic portrait of him as a thoughtful, quite intelligent man, far removed from the royal idiot and morally oblivious person we have been led to believe him as in recent times.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Booklady on February 28, 2006, 05:59:11 PM
That's good news about the Eddy book.

I suppose we can assume he would have taken the title Edward VIII--but we'll never really know for sure, will we.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on February 28, 2006, 07:11:18 PM
Well since his family and friends called him Eddy, and he signed his correspondance (and indeed signed his cheques, I've seen one!) 'Edward'....I think it's safe to assume he would have been King Edward VIII.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: ilyala on March 01, 2006, 01:35:50 AM
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Queen Victoria would have prefered Albert I.! ;D ;)



wasn't queen victoria the one who specifically asked for no king to be called albert in order for her dearest to remain THE albert? i mean bertie bicked the name edward vii, and the other bertie picked george vi and i always thought it was because of that
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 01, 2006, 04:32:15 AM
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wasn't queen victoria the one who specifically asked for no king to be called albert in order for her dearest to remain THE albert? i mean bertie bicked the name edward vii, and the other bertie picked george vi and i always thought it was because of that


No, quite the opposite! QV dreamed of a dynasty of kings called Albert. From a letter she wrote to George (Then Duke of York)

'My chief object and anxiety about Albert is that it should mark the Dynasty which becomes on dear Papa's  (future Edward VII) succeeding me, like the Norman, Plantagenet, Tudor, Stewart and finally Brunswick & all will be united in the Coburg dynasty.'

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Prince_Lieven on March 01, 2006, 04:57:28 AM
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wasn't queen victoria the one who specifically asked for no king to be called albert in order for her dearest to remain THE albert? i mean bertie bicked the name edward vii, and the other bertie picked george vi and i always thought it was because of that


Edward VII chose his named because he considered Albert too German. George VI did it to affirm a sense of continuation from the stability of George V's reign after the fiasco of the Abdication. ;)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 01, 2006, 06:16:59 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/gurutiek/eddymotherdear.jpg)

Eddy and his Motherdear, looking more like brother and sister.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: anabel on March 01, 2006, 06:26:20 AM
Huch, Eddy seems to have been quite tall! :o How tall was he?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 01, 2006, 06:34:43 AM
I think I remember reading he was around 5'10. Can someone confirm this?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 01, 2006, 09:51:52 AM
GV was 5'7" and Eddy looks to have 3-4 inches on him so that seems about right.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 01, 2006, 03:58:59 PM
Michael Harrison's book says Eddy was a shade under six feet tall.  I would agree with this.

He was far taller than either his father or George and in full length portraits was often placed a step lower than them to look more even.

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 01, 2006, 07:58:08 PM
More about height.

At sixteen, QV pronounced Eddy "immensely grown and as tall as his father and so like Alix's family but better looking than her brothers and uncles".

She went on that "Georgie is not a bit grown and is nearly a head and a half shorter than his brother".

At this time, their height difference was extraordinarily marked, Georgie being only eighteen months younger than Eddy.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 06, 2006, 09:52:35 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/1891.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Booklady on March 06, 2006, 11:02:24 AM
Perhaps his being so slender also made him look taller.  I'm wondering then about Alex--standing alongside  him she appears to be around 5 ft. 6, I would guess (depending upon what kind of shoe she might have on).  Does anyone have a more exact height for the Wales family?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 06, 2006, 12:08:06 PM
I'd say 5'4 or thereabouts. I know her shoe size was a UK size 7 (same as me!) so that's a 9 in the US.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 06, 2006, 05:30:47 PM
Really? I'm 5'7" and wear a 9. QA had some big feet for her height.  ;)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 06, 2006, 07:46:51 PM
The shoe sizing system has most likely been revamped since QA's days, I would think.  ???

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 07, 2006, 03:52:04 AM
My mother is 5'4 and wears a US size 9.  :-/ I don't think there's anything strange about it.

I saw a website for a museum that contained a shoe of QA's, saying she wore a UK size 7. I just presumed it was modern sizing.

Anyway, back to Eddy.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 07, 2006, 04:09:51 AM
Yes, good idea.  :)

Eddy and sister Louise.  :D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/LouiseEddy.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 07, 2006, 11:30:48 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/gfgfgf.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on March 07, 2006, 11:36:47 PM
awwww  he was the ctest lttle thing   (and im not just sayin that cause hes Royal haha) ;D
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 08, 2006, 03:01:55 AM
Speaking of Baby Eddy, I have found something of interest in the new Andrew Cook biography of him which may dispel one long held rumour.

Eddy's nurse, Mrs. Blackburn, reminisced about him after his death and stated that he was never a frail baby at all, even given his premature birth.

He was her favourite of all the Wales children and when Eddy lost his first tooth, she asked for it and had it set in a ring between two turquoises.  She still had the ring when she spoke about his babyhood.

The book also claims that he was healthy and as physically robust as anyone else throughout his 28 years.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: ilyala on March 08, 2006, 03:11:27 AM
i can't help wondering: was he really premature? i mean, i know a couple of premature born people and they are all quite small in height, not to mention quite frail and give me a totally different impression than he does. he looks quite strong to me. and, even more, people of that time say he's strong. if i were to pick one, i'd say george looks more premature than eddy.

so, is there a chance that they got the date of conception wrong? for, say, various reasons?  ::)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 08, 2006, 03:21:51 AM
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i can't help wondering: was he really premature? i mean, i know a couple of premature born people and they are all quite small in height, not to mention quite frail and give me a totally different impression than he does. he looks quite strong to me. and, even more, people of that time say he's strong. if i were to pick one, i'd say george looks more premature than eddy.

so, is there a chance that they got the date of conception wrong? for, say, various reasons?  ::)


Well, the children of Alexandra and Bertie were all said to have come before their time.  I don't think there could be any doubt that Eddy was a premature baby -- he was less than four pounds in weight at birth -- but perhaps he was not quite as early as thought.  His lungs and other vital organs were obviously adequately developed -- perhaps he just missed out on those last few weeks when the baby mostly just gains weight before birth.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Booklady on March 08, 2006, 05:29:15 AM
I suppose doctors can always be off by two or three weeks, but even at that it would have been more of a concern had he really been a 7-month baby.  Nothing I've read seems to indicate that his life was in danger at birth, but one would think his lungs would not have been fully developed.  I myself have always thought of Eddy as thin and somewhat frail.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 08, 2006, 05:46:20 AM
Eddy's features and his wistful expression made him appear frail compared to George for instance, but I believe Eddy was a normal sized child. Also, it was really only during the last year and a half or so before his death that he started looking noticeably thinner in the face. It was noted how wretched he looked upon returning from India, and I don't think he ever quite got over that.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 08, 2006, 08:16:02 AM
Everything I've ever read indicates he was a preemie. He might not have been 7 mos but there doesn't seem to be much doubt he was early.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 08, 2006, 08:28:15 AM
Vicky wrote to QV of her shock of hearing of Eddy's birth:

'How astonished you must have been! I hope the event was not premature but if not she must have made a great mistake in her reckoning.'

QV responded that from 'Lady Macclesfield's [the lady-in-waiting who took charge of the birth] letter you will have heard that the baby is a 7 months child, and that the whole was over in an hour...No one but Lady Macclesfield to do every thing which the nurses do!....[he] is kept in cotton-wool and has to be kept very warm, but is quite healthy and very thriving. '

QV later wrote that Dean Stanley asked her ''whether a 7 months child was smaller than other children?' Is that not too naive?'

They were lucky in that while the Home Secretary (whose presence was still customary to prove the baby was switched) wasn't there, Lord Granville, the Lord President, happened to be shooting at Windsor and thus was present for the birth.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 08, 2006, 09:08:07 AM
Thanks GD Ella, not to be too morbid but any letters from his relatives, like Vicky and QV concerning Eddys death and their reaction to it?

I've read a couple his sisters wrote. Just wondered what other relatives reactions were.  
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 08, 2006, 05:43:22 PM
Vicky wrote to Sophie 'That dear boy, so gentle good and affectionate...how truly awful this is!...My poor Mama! She dotes on Eddy...coming so close after Georgie's illness, it is too terrible.' and then the next morning 'I could not finish last night. I was so bewildered and had such a headache with crying, and had so many telegrams to write. My thoughts are always at Sandringham...At first one is too stunned with the shock to take in all that has happened. It dawns on one in all its true force by degrees. My beloved father was only 40, Auntie Alice and Uncle Leopold, little over 30, and now dear Eddy, 28...No one can help grieving for a dear young man in the flower of his age..so precious to his family. What a difference for poor Georgie...still weak after a long and serious illness. Eddy had the same doctor and the same nurses, and every care that could be imagined, but the inflammation was too violent...'
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 08, 2006, 05:45:50 PM
I was always curious about the overlap of Eddy and Nicholas's feelings for Alix. The Russian/British cousins were close (though NII and GV moreso) and visited Denmark at the same time during this period. Does anyone know if it ever came up between the two or Alexandra & Minny? I wonder at how painful it would've been for NII if Alix had caved to pressure and married Eddy. Hypothetically, if Eddy had then lived and NII had married, the couples woud've crossed paths often it seems.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 08, 2006, 07:21:58 PM
Eddy has been portrayed as fickle because of the way he seemingly got over the disappointment of Alicky turning him down, so quickly. But it's hardly ever mentioned that Nicky was carrying on with Mathilde Kschessinska while he claimed to be in love with Alicky!! At least Eddy was true!  ;D

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 09, 2006, 02:35:05 AM
I apologise if either of these has been posted elsewhere on the very lengthy first Eddy thread.
1864
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Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 09, 2006, 02:58:13 AM
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Vicky wrote to Sophie 'That dear boy, so gentle good and affectionate...how truly awful this is!...My poor Mama! She dotes on Eddy...coming so close after Georgie's illness, it is too terrible.' and then the next morning 'I could not finish last night. I was so bewildered and had such a headache with crying, and had so many telegrams to write. My thoughts are always at Sandringham...At first one is too stunned with the shock to take in all that has happened. It dawns on one in all its true force by degrees. My beloved father was only 40, Auntie Alice and Uncle Leopold, little over 30, and now dear Eddy, 28...No one can help grieving for a dear young man in the flower of his age..so precious to his family. What a difference for poor Georgie...still weak after a long and serious illness. Eddy had the same doctor and the same nurses, and every care that could be imagined, but the inflammation was too violent...'


Thank you, such a beautiful letter.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Booklady on March 09, 2006, 07:38:21 AM
 :)Yes, thank you GD ella for that touching letter, and Grace for those beautiful photos!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: anabel on March 10, 2006, 10:06:59 AM
What kind of king would Eddy have made? What do you think?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 10, 2006, 10:11:15 AM
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He was her favourite of all the Wales children and when Eddy lost his first tooth, she asked for it and had it set in a ring between two turquoises.  She still had the ring when she spoke about his babyhood.

 


Wonderful story! Thank you Grace :) Wonder where that ring is now!!....
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 10, 2006, 04:43:23 PM
Imagine finding it in a dusty old box at a rummage sale or something! "Curious old thing with a child's tooth in it! £1.00 please." Ha ha!  ;D (Yes, I probably have thought about this too much, but it is a dream of mine!  ::))
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 10, 2006, 04:50:28 PM
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What kind of king would Eddy have made? What do you think?


This has been discussed before on the previous thread about Eddy. Please take some time to read it, a lot of us have put time and effort into posting information, thoughts and photographs and it's slightly frustrating when people ask questions which have already been discussed or repost the same photos.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 10, 2006, 04:54:39 PM
I'm wondering, though, if anyone's ideas on the type of King Eddy would have been have changed at all, after reading the new biography on him?

Personally, I can't see the harm in photos being re-posted, if it happens only occasionally, especially with very long threads.  We are human beings, not machines.   :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 10, 2006, 05:15:15 PM
I have yet to finish it!!  :o
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 10, 2006, 05:22:20 PM
When it comes to long bits of conversation though--providing a link to the other thread is probably better than trying to get people to repost--especially when the thread is one the same person. I pull out quotes from large threads where you'd have to dig around but that's not the case with the Eddy as King question.

I actually have the 2nd one Grace posted as a CDV and it's so cute! It's one of my favorite images because it's just so informal.  :)

Back to a former question, has anyone ever come across any information regarding feelings between NII and Eddy over Alix? Or between Alexandra and Minny--neither of whom were keen to have her as a daughter-in-law? They probably each hoped the other's son would win out and they'd be spared.  
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 10, 2006, 05:28:41 PM
Bertie, Alexandra, George (peeking out) and Eddy

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/30698261.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 10, 2006, 05:32:48 PM
Same sitting 1875 wearing kilt & sporran

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(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/31402582.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/32967581.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 10, 2006, 05:40:41 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/533979181.jpg)

Caption:
Edward, Prince of Wales (1841-1910) later King Edward VII of England, with a fishing party at Derry Lodge, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, 1891. Left to right: unknown, Prince George (1865 - 1936, later King George V), Julia Stonor, the Duke of Clarence, the Duke and Duchess of Fife, the Prince of Wales, Mr and Mrs Samson, Sir I. Mackenzie, Lord Londonderry, Mr Samson Jnr., the Duchess of Manchester, Sir Christopher Sykes and Sir Christopher Teesdale.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 10, 2006, 05:43:02 PM
the same party

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/533979171.jpg)

Caption:
Edward, Prince of Wales (1841-1910) later King Edward VII of England, with a fishing party at Derry Lodge, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, 1891. Left to right: unknown, unknown, the Duke of Fife, Mr Samson Jnr, the Duke of Clarence, the Duchess of Fife, Julia Stonor, Sir Christopher Sykes, the Prince of Wales, unknown, unknown. (Photo by Hulton Archive/Getty Images)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 10, 2006, 05:46:26 PM
The devoted brothers, ages 21 and 18, at Beatrice's wedding in 1885

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/33560711.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: ilyala on March 11, 2006, 03:13:44 AM
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The devoted brothers, ages 21 and 18, at Beatrice's wedding in 1885



i thought the age difference was little more than a year
:-/
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 11, 2006, 03:43:33 AM
It was about 18 months:  Eddy was born January 8, 1864 and George June 3, 1865.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: anabel on March 11, 2006, 05:10:45 AM
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This has been discussed before on the previous thread about Eddy. Please take some time to read it, a lot of us have put time and effort into posting information, thoughts and photographs and it's slightly frustrating when people ask questions which have already been discussed or repost the same photos.


Ops - sorry! :-/
I hope I haven´t offened anybody here... :'(
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 11, 2006, 05:22:43 AM
It's quite all right, Anabel, please don't be concerned.

If you like, have a look through the old Eddy thread and if you have any further questions, I'm sure someone will be happy to help!  :D
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: B5218 on March 11, 2006, 07:17:19 AM
Those of who are new spend quite some time looking through old threads.  The Alexander Palace Time Machine search utility leaves something to be desired, however.  And there are 34000 postings.   :o

I am usually more successful using Advanced Google and entering this web site as the domain to search.

http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 11, 2006, 08:26:48 AM
That's a good tip for searching--I've used the google myself. A quick search of thread titles though doesn't take long and will at least clue people in (and this isn't directed at Anabel but rather a general thing) as to whether there's at least a promising looking thread to check out.

as for the dates, yes, that's my fault. I went to look and accidentally referenced QM's birthdate instead of George's. Eddy was born in Jan 1864 and George in June 1865 so at Beatrice's wedding they would've been 21 and 20 respectively.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: anabel on March 11, 2006, 11:56:51 AM
Ehm, I am already at page 14 of the old thread, but sadly the photo of Eddy´s grave doesn´t work anymore. :-[ Maybe somebody could please repost it? :-* (Hope nobody is angry with me)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 11, 2006, 12:10:28 PM
I'm sure no one is Anabel, don't worry babe.:)

Here's a great link
http://www.stgeorges-windsor.org/tour/tour_albert.asp
to Eddys memorial chapel.

It really is amazing :) It looks like it needs a good clean. I'm going to go back their this summer!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: anabel on March 12, 2006, 07:44:34 AM
Thank you very much for the link, Eddieboy! :)
BTW, I have finally read all 23 pages of old thread! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 12, 2006, 08:05:51 AM
Great, Anabel.  :D

Stay tuned though -- a biography on Eddy is just out which sheds new light on some of the issues which have been discussed in the old thread.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/8c_1_b.jpg)
Eddy with May at their engagement.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: anabel on March 12, 2006, 08:19:49 AM
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Stay tuned though -- a biography on Eddy is just out which sheds new light on some of the issues which have been discussed in the old thread.


I´ll try my best! ;) But as Eddy is very interesting in my opinion, it won´t be too hard! :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: anabel on March 14, 2006, 11:43:58 AM
Has anybody finished reading the book on Eddy by Cook yet? Is it worth reading? :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 14, 2006, 11:47:26 AM
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Great, Anabel.  :D


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/8c_1_b.jpg)
Eddy with May at their engagement.


I always wondered about this. There was another set of engagement photos (with May in a satin dress).

(http:// http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/PrinceAlbertVictora5.jpg)

In the one quoted, May appears to be dressed in mourning. This is also true for a 3rd set where May's wearing black and Eddy's wearing a dark coat.

(http:// http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/HA9723.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/File0401aw.jpg)

Does anyone know when in the short time frame of the engagement this could've been taken? And if it is mourning, who it's for? I don't know if Eddy's in mourning as well--it's hard to tell sometimes with men who usually wore darker colors, or if it was a Teck relation. In a group photo of Eddy & May with her family, I think they also look like they're in mourning.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20mary/File0401w.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: anabel on March 14, 2006, 01:19:56 PM
Hope this haven´t been posted yet:
with his parents
(http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9484/aluxeddybertie4il.th.png) (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aluxeddybertie4il.png)

alix, george and eddy
(http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9435/alixwitheddyandgeorge2fb.th.jpg) (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alixwitheddyandgeorge2fb.jpg)

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3234/unbenanntfd7bk.th.png) (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenanntfd7bk.png)

the wales children
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7066/waleschildren6ej.th.jpg) (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=waleschildren6ej.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 14, 2006, 01:21:41 PM
Lovely anabel! Thank you. The second one is my favourite, Alix looks so nice.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 14, 2006, 02:49:08 PM
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Has anybody finished reading the book on Eddy by Cook yet? Is it worth reading? :)


Like Mrs. Eddy, I have not finished it yet but I already know a great deal about it and it seems pretty well researched to me -- there are a lot of names and dates to refer to and a considerable bibliography at the back.

The only real flaw I have noted thus far is the mis-dating of a few photographs and even one that is said to be Eddy as a toddler but is really George.

It is worth buying though, in my opinion.  :)  
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 14, 2006, 04:40:10 PM
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Lovely anabel! Thank you. The second one is my favourite, Alix looks so nice.  :)


It's one of my favorites too and one that I bought. I like it best though not because Alix looks nice (which she does) but because GV looks so crabby.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 14, 2006, 08:21:40 PM
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It's one of my favorites too and one that I bought. I like it best though not because Alix looks nice (which she does) but because GV looks so crabby.  :)


George actually looks like he's had enough in quite a number of photographs of him when he was a little boy!  Eddy looks more serene but occasionally a little bored...
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 14, 2006, 09:52:14 PM
Well, GV was usually written up as energetic (to say the least) as a child so I can't imagine posing for those pictures was tons of fun.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: anabel on March 18, 2006, 12:52:30 PM
Young Eddy:
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2381/eddy384fk.th.png) (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eddy384fk.png)

(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6859/249137oo.th.jpg) (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=249137oo.jpg)

husar
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5836/249157jl.th.jpg) (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=249157jl.jpg)

his coffin at sandringham
(http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/3581/ea2432c84735b2205169f25721839f.th.jpg) (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ea2432c84735b2205169f25721839f.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 18, 2006, 08:41:31 PM
Thanks for these great photos, Anabel.

Your interest in HRH Prince Albert Victor Christian Edward, Duke of Clarence and Avondale, shows you to be a person of exquisite taste, in my opinion.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 18, 2006, 08:49:06 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/EddyIndia.jpg)
Eddy in India.  
Here is evidence of another tale about him being a fabrication.  It's said that he always wore a high starched collar because he was trying to hide his long neck.  He is pictured here in an ordinary fold down collar and tie, so "Collars and Cuffs" was not always an accurate nickname... ;D
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 18, 2006, 09:11:19 PM
Well, he probably didn't want to sweat to death in the hot weather.  :) Reports indicate that he seems to have had a long neck, like Alexandra, but it wasn't freakishly deformed or anything--contrary to Anne Edward's account in Matriarch. It was Bertie who gave him the Collars & Cuffs nickname.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: anabel on March 19, 2006, 06:59:03 AM
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Your interest in HRH Prince Albert Victor Christian Edward, Duke of Clarence and Avondale, shows you to be a person of exquisite taste, in my opinion.  :)


Thank you! ;)
I´d love to learn more about Eddy, but here in Austria it isn´t that easy... ::)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 22, 2006, 01:37:23 AM
This is on Ebay now.  :-* :P
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Eddynew.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 22, 2006, 02:33:27 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Eddytable.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Emilia on March 26, 2006, 08:39:13 AM
The new book suggests that Eddy could have become Viceroy of Ireland, right? If so, what would have been his duties and responsibilities in this postion?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 26, 2006, 09:40:06 AM
"A viceroy is an official who governs a country or province in the name of and as representative of the monarch. The term derives from the Latin prefix vice-, meaning "in the place of" and French roi, meaning king....The etymological allusion to the royal style makes it be perceived as higher than governor-general, even when in some cases it is a synonym for that administrative rank, and not necessarily above several 'provincial' (lieutenant-)governors. In some cases, the title (and the office, unless the title is not permanently attached to the job) is reserved for members of the ruling dynasty. It was not uncommon for potentials heirs to the throne to obtain such a post (or an equivalent one, without the viceregal style) as a test - and learning stage, not unlike the even loftier 'associations to the throne'. "

The person isn't always a royal--Earl Mountbatten of Burma was the only person of royal blood to hold the position in India, for instance. Also the position in Ireland (usually called the Lord-Lieutenant) was never held by a royal. The Governor-Generalship of Canada, though, was held by the Duke of Connaught and the Earl of Athlone.

In specific regards to the Irish situation that Eddy was mentioned for: "The Lord Lieutenant's government was not in any real way responsible to the Irish Parliament, prior to parliament's abolition thanks to the Act of Union 1800. Nevertheless, he did hold a formal State Opening of Parliament, delivering his speech outlining his government policy programme from the throne on the dais in the Irish House of Lords.

By the mid 19th century, the Lord Lieutenant's role changed substantially. Though still the official representative of the sovereign, the day to day role of governing fell to the Chief Secretary for Ireland, who was in effect the prime minister of the British administration in Ireland. Many nineteenth century Lords Lieutenant were not even nominally members of the British Cabinet, while the supposedly more junior Chief Secretary usually was." The office was occasionally left vacant as well.

So it seems the post wouldn't have been a true diplomatic one in terms of governance but serve as a bit of a training ground for his future duties and perhaps aquaint him more with public speaking and the various public relations duties that became more and more important as the century progressed.

The following peers held the position roughly around the time Eddy might have assumed the position--if it actually would've occured.

John Spencer, 5th Earl Spencer: 4 May 1882
Henry Howard Molyneux Herbert, 4th Earl of Carnarvon: 27 June 1885
John Campbell Hamilton-Gordon, 7th Earl of Aberdeen: 8 February 1886
Charles Stewart Vane-Tempest-Stewart, 6th Marquess of Londonderry: 3 August 1886
Lawrence Dundas, 3rd Earl of Zetland: 30 July 1889

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Paola on April 18, 2006, 11:29:32 AM
I have a question regarding the possible marriage of Prince Eddy to Helene of Orleans. Could their children, brought up as Protestants, eventually inherit the crown? And if so, why Prince Eddy didn't renounce his claim to the throne and married Helene?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on April 18, 2006, 12:02:47 PM
Maybe he couldn't renounce in favor of children not yet born--if any children would've been born, no guarantees after all. Meanwhile, the position of next in line to the throne would've been in limbo. He wouldn't have had a choice but to renounce entirely and the position be filled by George.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 18, 2006, 04:42:50 PM
It is said that Eddy himself thought this at the time - that he could renounce the throne for himself but that his children, having been raised as Protestants - could succeed.

Helene's father would not give his consent for her to become a Protestant.  She was not of age and as a French citizen, couldn't marry until she was 21 without parental consent anyway.  For four years after, any marriage would not be considered legal in France without permission from her father.  

The Act of Succession states that "no person should possess the crown who married a Papist".  It basically reads that once a Catholic, always a Catholic.

Eddy was prepared to renounce the throne for himself to marry Helene but he would also have renounced it for his "heirs and successors" too, as I understand it.  

It was a very complicated situation and the difficulties proved insurmountable in the end, of course.  :(
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 22, 2006, 12:20:03 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/HU011184.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/HU005537.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/HU011192.jpg)
 
A few for Grace and the other Eddy fans ;)

RN
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 22, 2006, 05:50:45 PM
Loving them, RN, you are fantastic!  Thank you!  :-* :-*
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 26, 2006, 09:08:31 AM
Oh my God, I live in Brisbane and I know this tree in the botanic gardens I think it is. I love Eddy so much and I can't believe he was actually here, in my home town. This picture made me so excited.
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Marvellous...one can never have too much Eddy... :P :-*

It's time I made a pictorial contribution here, I feel.

Eddy and George in Brisbane, Australia, 1881.  :D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/EddyBrisbane.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 26, 2006, 09:46:20 AM
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Loving them, RN, you are fantastic!  Thank you!  :-* :-*

Youre verry welcomme Grace :)

RN
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 26, 2006, 04:45:22 PM
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Oh my God, I live in Brisbane and I know this tree in the botanic gardens I think it is. I love Eddy so much and I can't believe he was actually here, in my home town. This picture made me so excited.

Welcome, basilforever!  :)  I'm very happy that you enjoyed the photo and it's good to see another Eddy devotee as well.

Have you had a look at the Part I thread of Eddy yet?  There are a lot of photos and information there also and, unlike some of the older threads, it is still available to view.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on September 09, 2006, 05:24:05 AM
A few more fore the Eddy fans.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img247.jpg)
The Duke of Clarence and his younger brother King George V.
Their is the following discription Brothers and Friends.
The Duke of Clarence and the  late King were brought up side by side, learning from the same tutor, entering the Navy at the same time.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img248.jpg)
On the cruise to the West Indies.(learning about splicing)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img249.jpg)
Aboard the ''Bacchante''
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img250.jpg)
A Crack shot of the future.

RN
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 09, 2006, 06:39:20 AM
Thank you royal netherlands. I am the most ardent Eddy fan, I am pretty sure of that. I love him so much.

Here is a short article concerning Eddy from People magazine, kindly scanned by someone for me.

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/mostlyroyalty/DecadeofDianaEddy.jpg)

And the cover of the magazine:

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/mostlyroyalty/DecadeofDiana.jpg)

Let's keep the Eddy material flowing... ;)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 09, 2006, 06:45:11 AM
Hmmm, can someone tell me why the pictures become smaller when I post them? ???
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 16, 2006, 10:07:56 PM
A few random Eddy pictures to bump things up:

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/eddy1.jpg)

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/albertandgeorge7ey-1.jpg)

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/0752434101.jpg)

A very good book. Compared to other stuff written about Eddy and published, it is a masterpiece.

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/D4654261x1.jpg)

Is this the only image of Eddy smiling? If so, then  :'(

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/8425.jpg)

Eddy with the very mysterious J.K. Stephen behind him, supposedly he was in love with Eddy and starved himself to death, commencing on the date of Eddy's death, (well that part is a fact).

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/albertbritain1864-6.jpg)

I like his pants here :P

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/eddygeorge.jpg)

He was always very tall and long-limbed for his age.

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/File0123cw-1.jpg)

GDE posted this on the George V thread. I hope no one minds if I put it here too.
In this photo we can see George dressing very stylishly like Eddy, however Eddy has his trademark very high collar.
He has one hand in his pocket and the other on his cane, he was so suave.

Are there any photos of Eddy smoking? I've probably seen some but I can't remember.

Did Eddy even smoke much at all? There are far more photos of George holding a cigarette. I once read something like, "Eddy smoked constantly and had a dreamy gaze surrounded by wreaths of smoke that gave him a very seductive air." True, or not? :-\
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on September 17, 2006, 04:39:41 PM
Are there any photos of Eddy smoking? I've probably seen some but I can't remember.

Eddy is actually holding a cigar in his left hand,  in the last picture you posted, though you can barely see it. Actually since the image has been reversed...it would be in his right hand!  ;)




Did Eddy even smoke much at all? There are far more photos of George holding a cigarette. I once read something like, "Eddy smoked constantly and had a dreamy gaze surrounded by wreaths of smoke that gave him a very seductive air." True, or not? :-\

To quote Grace from another thread about Nicky's smoking: Dr. Alfred Fripp, the personal doctor of Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence, stated that he had cut his patient down to "three cigarettes and one cigar" per day, so fearful was he that the Duke's constant smoking "would exert a prejucidial effect on the brain".
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on September 18, 2006, 05:01:29 AM
BF, until later -- have you seen these?  :D

http://search.ebay.com/prince-albert-victor_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfclZ3QQfromZR7QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQnojsprZyQQpfidZ0QQsacatZQ2d1QQsofocusZbs (http://search.ebay.com/prince-albert-victor_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfclZ3QQfromZR7QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQnojsprZyQQpfidZ0QQsacatZQ2d1QQsofocusZbs)

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 18, 2006, 11:03:47 PM
No Grace, I haven't checked Ebay for ages, thanks for reminding me to do that. :)

Eddy must have some big fans to bid $76 US for a photo of him.

I like photos of him when he is a grown man the best.

I will post some here of our darling Eddy:

(http://i21.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/54/77/29_3.JPG)

(http://i14.ebayimg.com/05/i/08/55/56/c7_3.JPG)

(http://www.antique-photos.com/1209002.jpg)

(http://old-print.net/8011899/8011899181.jpg)

(http://old-print.net/7941892/7941892467.jpg)

Eddy drawn planting a tree at the top. Royalty still does the same things.
I like to see drawings of Eddy actually doing things - meeting with people, etc. In a drawing he still stands out from the crowd so much because he was so tall and handsome.

(http://www.wholesale-prints.net/AAAIMAGES/AAA0866/AAA0866008.jpg)

(http://www.wholesale-prints.net/AAAIMAGES/AAA1878/AAA1878923T.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 18, 2006, 11:15:30 PM
(http://www.wholesale-prints.net/AAAIMAGES/AAA0866/AAA0866009.jpg)

Baptismal Gift from Queen Victoria to her most important Grandchild Prince Albert Victor of Wales (Eddy)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 18, 2006, 11:21:41 PM
Are there any photos of Eddy smoking? I've probably seen some but I can't remember.

Eddy is actually holding a cigar in his left hand,  in the last picture you posted, though you can barely see it. Actually since the image has been reversed...it would be in his right hand!  ;)




Did Eddy even smoke much at all? There are far more photos of George holding a cigarette. I once read something like, "Eddy smoked constantly and had a dreamy gaze surrounded by wreaths of smoke that gave him a very seductive air." True, or not? :-\

To quote Grace from another thread about Nicky's smoking: Dr. Alfred Fripp, the personal doctor of Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence, stated that he had cut his patient down to "three cigarettes and one cigar" per day, so fearful was he that the Duke's constant smoking "would exert a prejucidial effect on the brain".

So that is a cigar Eddy is holding. I thought it was the top of his cane which you can see him holding in some other pictures.

I still think there are more photos of George smoking that I have seen.

I could tell that image was reversed - their faces just kind of looked different.

So Eddy's smoking was 'constant'. I can just imagine him smoking non stop. Oh Eddy, that would not have been very good for your health. :-\ Perhaps it weakened him against the influenza. :'( At least his doctor tried to cut his smoking rates down. :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 02:04:18 AM
(http://www.pacificcoast.net/~gingerreid/clarence.jpg)

Is this Eddy with Alix in this picture? Someone on ebay is claiming it is, but I think it looks more like George.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: alixaannencova on September 19, 2006, 02:06:24 AM
No it is Louise as indexed at the RA Windsor.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 02:15:18 AM
No it is Louise as indexed at the RA Windsor.

Yes I knew it wasn't Eddy. I know his face anywhere. ;)

(http://www.pacificcoast.net/~gingerreid/clarence2.jpg)

They are trying to claim it as Eddy with this writing on it. I will try to correct them.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: alixaannencova on September 19, 2006, 06:04:32 AM
Well spotted Basilforever! Eagle eyed!!

We should get the phtograph on to Louise's thread!

Hope ebay amend it!

Alixannencova
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on September 19, 2006, 06:43:50 AM
No Grace, I haven't checked Ebay for ages, thanks for reminding me to do that. :)


My dear!!  You MUSN'T forget to check Ebay regularly -- as a true afficionado of All Things Eddy, if you are patient, you will find some lovely photos/drawings of him you can save, even if you are not interested in bidding on anything!  Don't forget this!  8)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 06:47:51 AM
I won't forget again Grace. I bet this is where you get a lot of your good Eddy stuff?!

I saved all the pictures I could find. I even placed a couple of bids! I hope I get them. :)

The annoying thing about searching for Eddy pictures is that you always have to search under at least three terms -

Prince Albert Victor
Duke of Clarence
Prince Eddy

One must search under all these names!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on September 19, 2006, 06:57:24 AM
That's right -- you do have to check under all those.  It doesn't hurt to use terms like "Wales family" or "royal cdv" either.  Some people advertise Eddy items and may not know who he is, so they may be advertised as "British prince" or similar.  Eddy items, especially photos, are getting pricey because they're relatively rare.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Eddy221.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 07:07:18 AM
I searched under Wales Family as well. British Prince just seemed a bit too general, but maybe I should try it.

That one you posted is lovely, is it currently available on ebay now?

Post some more Grace, please! :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on September 19, 2006, 07:26:04 AM
Yes, maybe "British Prince" is a little general but I once found a wood engraving of Eddy under that!  You never know!  :D  Sometimes, there may even be things under "Jack the Ripper".  >:( 

The last one I posted is not currently on Ebay.

Here's another couple:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Eddy290.jpg)
Eddy, Louise and George.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Eddy264.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 07:28:22 AM
I haven't seen that one of Eddy, Louise and George before. It's wondeful, I love it. :D

That second one is currently for sale. What did you search under to find these ones?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on September 19, 2006, 07:31:05 AM
I have had both images for quite a while  -- I can't remember where I got them -- probably just saved from Ebay -- I don't own the originals.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 07:32:41 AM
Grace, I will tell you this cause I know you are Australian.

If you watched 20-to-1: Mysteries and Conspiracies tonight, hosted by Bert Newton, you would have seen Eddy on the Television!!!!!!!!!!

Jack the Ripper was number 9 I think. They had a segment of a documentary, and they said ''Prince or Pauper" and a picture of Eddy was on the screen!!!!!

I was so shocked and happy to see him on TV! :o :D
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: alixaannencova on September 19, 2006, 07:32:52 AM
Lovely pictures Grace Thank you! Never seen the one tih Louise in either.

I wonder if Georgie was envious of Eddy his superior looks and height! Eddy certainly looked the park as a future King. He was so well turned out and wore his clothes with such insouciant panache, rather like Grand Duke Dimitri Konstantinovich. I think they were the best dressed male members of their families actually.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on September 19, 2006, 07:38:51 AM
Grace, I will tell you this cause I know you are Australian.

If you watched 20-to-1: Mysteries and Conspiracies tonight, hosted by Bert Newton, you would have seen Eddy on the Television!!!!!!!!!!

Jack the Ripper was number 9 I think. They had a segment of a documentary, and they said ''Prince or Pauper" and a picture of Eddy was on the screen!!!!!

I was so shocked and happy to see him on TV! :o :D

Really?  I had that show on in the other room too.  >:(

What photo of Eddy was it, I wonder?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on September 19, 2006, 07:44:33 AM
Lovely pictures Grace Thank you! Never seen the one tih Louise in either.

I wonder if Georgie was envious of Eddy his superior looks and height! Eddy certainly looked the park as a future King. He was so well turned out and wore his clothes with such insouciant panache, rather like Grand Duke Dimitri Konstantinovich. I think they were the best dressed male members of their families actually.

Glad you enjoyed it, alix!

I don't know how George regarded Eddy in that way.  George was always seen as the leader of the two, the more dominant personality wise.  From what I have read of their relationship, there didn't seem to be any jealousy on either side, except when they were children and were fighting for Motherdear's attention.  Alix reported that whilst out driving, she had to sit between them to stop them from scrapping with each other.  :D
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 07:51:05 AM
Lovely pictures Grace Thank you! Never seen the one tih Louise in either.

I wonder if Georgie was envious of Eddy his superior looks and height! Eddy certainly looked the park as a future King. He was so well turned out and wore his clothes with such insouciant panache, rather like Grand Duke Dimitri Konstantinovich. I think they were the best dressed male members of their families actually.

No Georgie wasn't jealous of Eddy, they were best friends. I'm sure Eddy would never have acted superior to George, cause he was the first born son and future King. That's what my cousin said immediately when I showed her a picture of Eddy in one of my books - that he looked like a future King perfectly and wasn't he handsome! :-*
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 07:54:52 AM
Grace, I will tell you this cause I know you are Australian.

If you watched 20-to-1: Mysteries and Conspiracies tonight, hosted by Bert Newton, you would have seen Eddy on the Television!!!!!!!!!!

Jack the Ripper was number 9 I think. They had a segment of a documentary, and they said ''Prince or Pauper" and a picture of Eddy was on the screen!!!!!

I was so shocked and happy to see him on TV! :o :D

Really?  I had that show on in the other room too.  >:(

What photo of Eddy was it, I wonder?

It was one of Eddy looking kind of like he looks in my avatar, and he was looking straightforward and it was in black and white. It was not an uncommon image. But still, lovely, I've never seen a picture of Eddy looking anything but lovely. He never took a bad picture.

But still it would be good to see one of him smiling.

Has anyone ever seen a picture of Eddy with a proper open mouthed smile??? Please do tell, I would be fascinated to know.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on September 19, 2006, 07:55:32 AM
Well, they were best friends, but they did have a few "barnies" as well!  Motherdear remonstrated with them (especially George) for, "quarrelling and using strong language to each other".

And George once wrote, "Eddy and I go for each other like two turkey cocks...".
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on September 19, 2006, 07:57:16 AM
Has anyone ever seen a picture of Eddy with a proper open mouthed smile??? Please do tell, I would be fascinated to know.

No.  There may be one or two with a slight smile, that's all...
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 07:59:02 AM
Well, they were best friends, but they did have a few "barnies" as well!  Motherdear remonstrated with them (especially George) for, "quarrelling and using strong language to each other".

And George once wrote, "Eddy and I go for each other like two turkey cocks...".


Yes, that's right. And when Eddy died, George wrote something like "I wish I could take back every harsh word I ever said to him, and that we had never quarelled..." or something like that.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 08:00:57 AM
Has anyone ever seen a picture of Eddy with a proper open mouthed smile??? Please do tell, I would be fascinated to know.

No.  There may be one or two with a slight smile, that's all...

There is a picture of Eddy on this page where he has a slight smile:

http://www.victoriana.com/Royalty/princessofwales.htm

It's second picture from the bottom.

I can't post it as right clicking is not allowed. >:(
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 08:06:25 AM
On that above link there is an article about Queen Alexandra when she was Princess of Wales:

This paragraph was especially delightful, especially for the Eddy lover:

London honors its future queen in a very friendly though public way; for on every occasion when she is seen the Princess shows her thorough sympathy with the people. Many like to recall the day when the Princess, driving out with her little eldest boy, was gratified by the immense crowd gathered to see the child who is destined to be their children's sovereign, if he is spared, the people in the distance vainly struggling for a glimpse of "baby royalty." The Princess, then the fairest young mother in the kingdom, stood up in the carriage, and lifted her child high up in her arms, while shouts and cheers filled the air. This sense of personal loyalty has its poetic side, and as a relic of the grace of medieval days is picturesque even to the American mind, which naturally fails to see its political justice or importance.

It is prophetic how it says, ''if he is spared'', tragically Eddy was not spared and did not get to reign as a King here on earth, but as his tomb symbolically expresses, he is still a King in heaven.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on September 19, 2006, 08:11:26 AM
Has anyone ever seen a picture of Eddy with a proper open mouthed smile??? Please do tell, I would be fascinated to know.

No.  There may be one or two with a slight smile, that's all...

There is a picture of Eddy on this page where he has a slight smile:

http://www.victoriana.com/Royalty/princessofwales.htm

It's second picture from the bottom.

I can't post it as right clicking is not allowed. >:(

Thanks for that lovely link, BF, I haven't seen it before.  :)

Depending on one's opinion, here is a photo of Motherdear Alix with Eddy who is wearing maybe a slight smile:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Eddy105.jpg)

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: ilyala on September 19, 2006, 08:40:15 AM
they look like brother and sister! off topic, i know but i had to say it - it's amazing how young she looks.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 08:49:57 AM
I bet you got that one off Ebay too Grace, am I right? I should have been checking it more often. Lovely, I have seen it before but not that big and clear I don't think.

Ilyala, Motherdear Alix was very youthful for her age. She was only 20 years older than Eddy. She was born in 1844, he in 1864.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: ilyala on September 20, 2006, 01:39:21 AM
she doesn't look 20 years older than him in that photo!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 20, 2006, 04:55:03 AM
I know, I have a photo of her written on it Queen Alexandra and her sisters - and it is QA with her daughters Toria and Maud.  ;D
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 20, 2006, 05:03:06 AM
I mean this one -

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/08076v.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: aussiechick12 on September 21, 2006, 03:22:03 AM
 ;D That's so funny!

Are these both wedding photos?

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/th_Alix14.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/Alix14.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/th_Alix23.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/Alix23.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 21, 2006, 04:18:43 AM
Yes, I think so. The second one definitely is.

But this is Eddy's thread. So I'll post some more with him in them, and hopefully others will too.  :)

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/mostlyroyalty/eddyswriting-1.jpg)

Eddy's handwriting to a friend. I found it on the Toria thread and I've seen it in the biography by Michael Harrison. There are other examples of Eddy's writing there. This shows he was intelligent, certainly as intelligent as is normal for a man. He was definitely not a listless illiterate moron.  >:(

And some ones where we can see his beautiful face:

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/mostlyroyalty/WALESchildren.jpg)

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/mostlyroyalty/File0376c-1.jpg)

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/mostlyroyalty/File0578.jpg)

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/mostlyroyalty/alixeddy.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on September 21, 2006, 09:43:52 AM
;D That's so funny!

Are these both wedding photos?

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/th_Alix14.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/Alix14.jpg)

This was a 'going away' photo, I believe, taken after the wedding.

Eddy's handwriting is certainly neater than George's (who deplored both his own and his sons's) but notice the way some of the words blend into the next? Iought (I ought) Icould (I could) downherethis (down here this) Iam (I am).  Do we have any amateur graphologists here?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 21, 2006, 09:53:47 AM
I think it was just a quick note to his friend Harry Wilson, maybe he wasn't taking care to be extra neat. But it's pretty readable really. The book about Eddy by Michael Harrison, despite it's Ripper content, is very useful and good for this sort of thing. I'm really glad I bought that book. So much interesting stuff in it.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 23, 2006, 12:05:55 AM
On the royal collection website I found this:

Gold beaker, 1864
1864

Anton Michelsen; Heinrich Hansen, designer

Christian IX's christening present to his grandson Prince Albert Victor

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/47773.jpg)

The Royal Collection © 2006,
Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

You can zoom in on it in great detail here:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/object.asp?theme=PORTRAITS&object=47773&row=73&detail=magnify
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 23, 2006, 12:44:45 AM
Frame with a photograph of Queen Alexandra, when Princess of Wales, with her son Prince Albert Victor
before 1896

Michael Perchin, 1860-1903

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_small/40106.jpg)

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/40106.jpg)

You can magnify it here: http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=prince+albert+victor&object=40106&row=2&detail=magnify

8.5 x 6.6 x 6.2 cm

Mark of Michael Perchin; silver mark of 88 zolotniks (before 1896); Fabergé in Cyrillic characters; coloured photograph by Lock & Whitfield

RCIN 40106

Text adapted from Fabergé in the Royal Collection

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 23, 2006, 12:51:06 AM
Magnify this beautiful fan here to see a rare picture of baby Eddy. Eddy is second from the left.

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=prince+albert+victor&object=25193&row=1&detail=magnify

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/25193.jpg)

It is very sad that this fan with her five children's photographs on it was presented to Princess Alexandra in 1871, the same year that her son Prince Alexander John Charles Albert passed away, and the sixth child is not on the fan.

Photographic fan
1871

Austrian; decorated in England

Presented to Alexandra, Princess of Wales (later Queen)

Numerous plain brisé fans with wooden sticks were exported from Vienna in the second half of the nineteenth century, to be decorated either by professional artists or by amateur artists working at home. In this case the sticks bear small photographic portraits of the children of the Prince and Princess of Wales, thus ensuring that the fan would be a particularly fitting birthday present for the Princess in December 1871. The children are (from left to right) Princess Victoria (photographed ?by W. & D. Downey, 1870), Prince Albert Victor (later Duke of Clarence; photographed ?by Hills & Saunders, 1868), Princess Louise (later Duchess of Fife; photographed by Hills & Saunders, May 1869), Prince George (later King George V; photographed by Hills & Saunders, c.1868) and Princess Maud (later Queen Maud of Norway; photographed ?by W. & D. Downey, 1870).

Neither the donor nor the creator of this charming fan is recorded. However, they must have been closely associated with the royal family, for the photographs of the royal children which it incorporates would not have been accessible to others. This fan would have been a particularly poignant gift following the death of the Princess’s sixth child, Prince John, on 7 April 1871, twenty-four hours after his premature birth. Then in late November the Prince of Wales fell seriously ill; typhoid was diagnosed and by the day of the Princess’s birthday the Prince was unconscious and thought to be in a terminal condition. The Prince and Princess and their family were at their new home at Sandringham at the time, and the Princess’s birthday was not celebrated. As Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, was at Sandringham supporting the Princess of Wales at the time of her birthday, it is possible that she created this rather hastily assembled but very personal gift for her sister-in-law. The speed of creation is suggested by the fact that all of the photographs were outdated by over a year. The quality of decoration is not of the high level that one would expect from Princess Alice, who was an accomplished artist. She was also adept at producing decorative borders, and a number of pages in her Hauschronik - both written and illuminated by the Princess - include lettered ribbons as on this fan.



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Guard length 23.2 cm

RCIN 25193

Text adapted from Unfolding Pictures: Fans in the Royal Collection 2005

It could have been made by Princess Alice - fascinating.

Order: Victoria, Eddy, Louise, George, Maud
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 23, 2006, 01:00:30 AM
Fascinating information about Eddy's christening gift from his grandfather King Christian IX of Denmark. It celebrates pretty much ALL the historic connections and marriages between the Danish and English Monarchies/Royal Families.

Gold beaker, 1864
1864

Anton Michelsen (1809-1877); Heinrich Hansen (1821-1890), designer

Christian IX's christening present to his grandson Prince Albert Victor



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The Danish artist Heinrich Hansen was commissioned by Christian IX of Denmark to design this beaker as a christening gift for his grandson Prince Albert Victor (1864-92), eldest son of the Prince and Princess of Wales. The beaker is accordingly decorated with iconography symbolising the historic connections between the royal houses of Denmark and Great Britain. It is supported on three Danish lions bearing the royal arms of Britain, Denmark and the Prince of Wales; around the base of the beaker there are depictions of the Danish King Sveno leading the Viking conquest of England, Sveno's son King Canute marrying the Anglo-Saxon Queen Emma, and King Canute on the seashore. Above these are portrait medallions modelled by Peter Petersen (1810-92) of Christian IX and Queen Louise of Denmark and the Prince and Princess of Wales. Four smaller medallions depict Princess Philippa of Lancaster, daughter of Henry IV, who married the Danish King Erik of Pomerania in 1406; Princess Louisa, daughter of George II, who married Frederick V of Denmark in 1743; Princess Anne of Denmark, daughter of King Christian IV, who married James VI of Scotland (later James I) in 1589; and Prince George of Denmark, son of Frederick III, who married Princess Anne, later Queen Anne, in 1683. The cover is surmounted by a British lion bearing the cypher of Prince Albert Victor.

Heinrich Hansen specialised in painting architectural scenes; his view of Christiansborg Palace in Copenhagen was presented to Princess Alexandra by the people of Denmark on her marriage to the Prince of Wales in 1863. Hansen's design for the beaker is said to be based on an early eighteenth-century beaker in the Danish Royal Collection at Rosenborg Palace. The present beaker was made in the workshops of Anton Michelsen, who was appointed jeweller to the Danish court in 1848.


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22.2 x diameter 10.3 cm

Marks for Copenhagen 1864 and maker's mark of Anton Michelsen; engraved PRESENTED TO PRINCE ALBERT VICTOR CHRISTIAN EDWARD OF WALES FROM HIS GRANDFATHER AND GODFATHER CHRISTIAN IX KING OF DENMARK, MARCH 10TH 1864; base inscribed A. MICHELSEN / HOF. JUVELEER / KJÖBENHAVN

RCIN 47773

Catalogue entry from Royal Treasures, A Golden Jubilee Celebration, London 2002
(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_small/47773.jpg)

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: aussiechick12 on September 23, 2006, 01:35:51 AM
Yes, I think so. The second one definitely is.

But this is Eddy's thread. So I'll post some more with him in them, and hopefully others will too.  :)

So sorry! I meant to post that in the Alexandra thread, don't know why I didn't notice I put them in the Eddy thread.  ::)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Taren on September 23, 2006, 03:16:11 AM
I apologize if this has been covered before, but is it known what name Eddy would have chosen to go by had he become king? I know Queen Victoria didn't want a King Albert. King Christian would have been too foreign -especially around the time of WWI. Would he have gone by Victor or Edward?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 23, 2006, 03:22:13 AM
I don't think it has been covered here.

Queen Victoria did want many King Alberts - she wanted her son to be King Albert Edward and her grandson to be King Albert Victor. That is why Queen Victoria named Eddy and not his parents.

What Eddy would have wanted is to be King Edward VIII after his father. That is the only one of his four names that a King of England had had before. There is no doubt in my mind about Eddy's wish because he signed all his letters to people he knew 'Edward'. He seems to have considered that his real name as much as he could.

There are some works of fiction about Eddy - I think one book is called ''King and Joker'', and in this Eddy lives to become King and reigns as King Victor I. I kind of like that, but I'm sure he would have wanted to be a King Edward. :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 23, 2006, 03:36:42 AM
Thank you for the information on the fan basilforever. VERY interesting, especially as Princess Alice may have made it!!  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on September 23, 2006, 09:22:04 AM
I don't think it has been covered here.

Queen Victoria did want many King Alberts - she wanted her son to be King Albert Edward and her grandson to be King Albert Victor. That is why Queen Victoria named Eddy and not his parents.

What Eddy would have wanted is to be King Edward VIII after his father. That is the only one of his four names that a King of England had had before. There is no doubt in my mind about Eddy's wish because he signed all his letters to people he knew 'Edward'. He seems to have considered that his real name as much as he could.

There are some works of fiction about Eddy - I think one book is called ''King and Joker'', and in this Eddy lives to become King and reigns as King Victor I. I kind of like that, but I'm sure he would have wanted to be a King Edward. :)

I think it's difficult to say for certainty what Eddy would've done. He signed his letters Edward most likely because he wasn't called 'Albert Victor' by most and it would be rather unwielding to sign the whole name anyway--GV felt badly for his brother first being saddled with a double name and then with a double Dukedom, Clarence and Avondale. It was easier to refer to him as Eddy and avoid confusion with his father. He may very well have chosen to be Edward V but I don't think it should be stated as absolute fact when there's no indication on the part of Eddy stating his preference. I'm sure QV wouldn't have imagined that Bertie would change his name upon his ascension after being known as Prince Albert Edward for almost 60 years.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on September 23, 2006, 09:25:03 AM

It is very sad that this fan with her five children's photographs on it was presented to Princess Alexandra in 1871, the same year that her son Prince Alexander John Charles Albert passed away, and the sixth child is not on the fan.


The child only lived a day or two, I don't know if any photos or sketches were even taken. Certainly known have ever been published but you never know. If any were taken post-mortem (like Dagmar's son Alexander) I don't think that Alexandra would've wanted a photo of her dead child on a gift like that.  :(
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 23, 2006, 09:30:14 AM

It is very sad that this fan with her five children's photographs on it was presented to Princess Alexandra in 1871, the same year that her son Prince Alexander John Charles Albert passed away, and the sixth child is not on the fan.


The child only lived a day or two, I don't know if any photos or sketches were even taken. Certainly known have ever been published but you never know. If any were taken post-mortem (like Dagmar's son Alexander) I don't think that Alexandra would've wanted a photo of her dead child on a gift like that.  :(

I know, I agree she wouldn't have either. But it must have been so poignant for her to have that beautiful fan with her five babies on it and know that she recently had another one (John) who did not survive. Seeing the five there, would have hightened the feeling of loss and one child being missing from the family I think. :'(
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 23, 2006, 09:33:09 AM
I don't think it has been covered here.

Queen Victoria did want many King Alberts - she wanted her son to be King Albert Edward and her grandson to be King Albert Victor. That is why Queen Victoria named Eddy and not his parents.

What Eddy would have wanted is to be King Edward VIII after his father. That is the only one of his four names that a King of England had had before. There is no doubt in my mind about Eddy's wish because he signed all his letters to people he knew 'Edward'. He seems to have considered that his real name as much as he could.

There are some works of fiction about Eddy - I think one book is called ''King and Joker'', and in this Eddy lives to become King and reigns as King Victor I. I kind of like that, but I'm sure he would have wanted to be a King Edward. :)

I think it's difficult to say for certainty what Eddy would've done. He signed his letters Edward most likely because he wasn't called 'Albert Victor' by most and it would be rather unwielding to sign the whole name anyway--GV felt badly for his brother first being saddled with a double name and then with a double Dukedom, Clarence and Avondale. It was easier to refer to him as Eddy and avoid confusion with his father. He may very well have chosen to be Edward V but I don't think it should be stated as absolute fact when there's no indication on the part of Eddy stating his preference. I'm sure QV wouldn't have imagined that Bertie would change his name upon his ascension after being known as Prince Albert Edward for almost 60 years.

Yes we can't say for ABSOLUTE fact. But I'm pretty sure he would have been King Edward VIII after his father Edward VII. He wouldn't have wanted to be the first King of England to have a double name King Albert Victor. I can't imagine a King Albert I or a King Christian I. I think after Edward VIII, the most probable that Eddy would have been is King Victor I. But since he was always called Eddy, I am sure he would have been King Edward. QV wouldn't have been around to voice her opposition of course. ;)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 23, 2006, 08:29:36 PM
Books about Eddy:

Here are some historical fiction books that feature Eddy.

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/1933397373.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V59566074_.jpg)

and the sequel:

Skeleton-in-Waiting (Hardcover)
by Peter Dickinson (Author)

Review:

Reviewer: Robert Simpson (NZ) - See all my reviews
This book is based on the premise that the Duke of Clarence survived to become king in the early 20th century, and hence there is a totally different royal family. Good idea, but unfortunately the resulting family is little different from the true one in terms of style and actions. Despite that the plot is good and tight, although the crucial point pulling everything together is given as a rather cryptic side note on the family tree. Overall a fun read, with a little bit of thinking needed to make it all out.

I haven't read these,

but I have read this one:

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/1841195839.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)

This title is so poignant to me. Ever since I saw it I often think or refer to Eddy as 'The Sweet Prince'. :-*

It is a good thriller. In it Eddy is murdered, the royal family cover it up and the murderer must be found out. It was very fascinating.

It seems that authors with the name Dickinson are attracted to writing fictions to do with Eddy!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: ilyala on September 25, 2006, 01:54:45 AM
on the other hand king edward 8th always signed as david and yet he chose edward as a name. true, there hadn't been any king called david, but it's just to show that not always the most used name was chosen... just like edward 7th hadn't chosen albert...
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 25, 2006, 09:15:15 AM
I'm pretty much positive Eddy would have chosen to be King Edward. He thought of that as being his name most of all, more than Albert Victor. And so did his immediate family. That's why they named David, Edward and not Albert Victor. There was a King David of Scotland, or maybe more than one, it would be kind of nice to have a King David of England too I think. Possibly Eddy could have been King Victor I. Just as Bertie chose the name after Albert to reign as, Eddy could have too, as some writers have imagined.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 25, 2006, 10:09:26 AM
There were two King Davids of Scotland.  ;)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: aussiechick12 on September 26, 2006, 03:06:08 AM
This is a great photo of QV, Alix, Beatrice, Irene and Eddy. Anyone know where and when it was taken?

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/th_QueenVictoriaAlixBeatriceIreneandEd.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/QueenVictoriaAlixBeatriceIreneandEd.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 26, 2006, 04:14:05 AM
According to this interesting site http://www.btinternet.com/~sbishop100/ it was taken in 1883! Seems a bit early though... :)

I love the little pug!! Very sweet!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: aussiechick12 on September 26, 2006, 04:18:24 AM
Yes it seems very early - Alix (if that is the real date) would be eleven!!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 26, 2006, 04:53:48 AM
Exactly!  :) She must be 16 + their!!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: alixaannencova on September 26, 2006, 03:35:37 PM
It was taken at Balmoral.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on September 26, 2006, 03:46:54 PM
It was at Balmoral in 1887.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on September 30, 2006, 03:56:00 AM
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/eddysigHJ.jpg)

Eddy's signature. I don't think it has been posted before.

It is very lovely and clear.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 30, 2006, 03:58:05 AM
Thank you, that is interesting to see Basilforever. I sometimes do my E's like that. I love the letter E, it's so adaptable!!! I like the way Queen Elizabeth I would do hers!!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 03, 2006, 12:54:16 AM
The man who pretty much devoted his life to proving he was Eddy's natural son:

Clarence Guy Gordon Haddon:

(http://forum.casebook.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4379&stc=1&d=1158541933)

We can't really compare him to Eddy, as Eddy never lived into middle age as this guy is pictured at.

Also, Clarence was his birth name, so it is interesting to think that his mother was sure Eddy was his son at the time of his birth. She didn't think up to make the claim later - She knew from the beginning. Eddy was certainly associated with Mrs. Haddon at the time in India.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on October 03, 2006, 02:00:57 AM
Basilforever, I think you know more about the Haddon story than I do, but I am still sceptical.  I have read that the date of birth of Clarence Gordon Haddon and the time that Eddy was in India do not tally up as a possibility that Eddy could be his father for starters.  There is certainly no physical resemblance - not that that means anything of course. 

Don't you think it's convenient for a woman down on her luck back then with an unwanted pregnancy to concoct a story that a rich prince is the father and later on encourage that same idea in her child to the point where the child believes it?  It is the same with the rumour that Eddy fathered a child on a prostitute.  How could a Victorian prostitute possibly say without doubt who the father of her child was?

There's a chance that it's true, of course, but there is reason too for serious doubt and, unless something more turns up, we can never really know.   
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 03, 2006, 03:10:28 AM
Of course, without DNA evidence we can never really know for sure.

In this photo there is no real strong resemblance to Eddy, but I see something about the eyes. Some familiar look. The Chaplin/Hitler moustache certainly isn't doing him any favours. Some have argued a resemblance between Alix or Bertie and Haddon, but I don't really see it.

I don't have the dates with me now, and I find it hard to memorise such things, but I do believe quite strongly that the dates do tally up to make it possible for Eddy to impregnate Mrs. Haddon when he was last in India, 1890 or something.

An IMPORTANT point is that if the dates made it impossible, the royal family would not have gone to the bother of employing the most expensive lawyers in the land LEWIS and LEWIS to try to make this guy shut up about being George V's nephew. Cause that is what they were trying to do, make him shut up, not prove that it was impossible.

That's why he went to America and published his book. He was under extremely strong pressure in England from the legal system and the royal family to shut up.

Mrs. Haddon was not down on her luck. If I remember correctly, she was quite a rich colonial wife. Her baby was not unwanted, she could easily have pretended it was fathered by her husband, but she refused to do that from the start.

And with regards to the admittedly less credible Crook story, Annie Crook was not a prostitute. She was a poor worker in a Confectionary shop, or a tobacconists' shop. And this story's different in that Annie never claimed Eddy was the father of her daughter, the claim was made later by Annie's grandson Joseph.

This one is far more likely to be all a fairytale than Haddon's story. Haddon seems to have become a bit hysterically indignant though. And maybe that is why the royal family were so opposed to acknowledging him - because he was just an embarassing man. I feel really sorry for him though if he really was Eddy's son.

I have many newspaper articles from the time of the court case that I could show you Grace, if you are interested. :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on October 03, 2006, 06:28:30 AM
Yes, BF, your points are taken.

I didn't mean that Mrs. Haddon was down on her luck financially necessarily.  But I believe she was an unstable woman who was estranged from her husband, living in a foreign country and to have had a child under these circumstances would have been difficult indeed and she just may have been looking to change her situation with her claim about Eddy. 

I don't think the fact that the RF had her "paid off" to keep her quiet implies Eddy's guilt either.  His reputation and that of the RF was the consideration here, not whether or not the story was true.  No one could prove the parentage of a child back then so how could they know anyway?

The story I heard about Eddy fathering a child on a prostitute was not about Annie Crook.  There have been rumours that several women had children by him.  Maybe they did, but it's difficult to take these seriously, given the amount of exaggeration that has developed about other aspects of his life which have later proved incorrect.  However, I suppose it's interesting to debate these things... :) 
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 03, 2006, 06:56:45 AM
I take your points too, Grace.

Maybe she was a bit unstable. But it has been shown nevertheless that Eddy and Margery did know each other and have relations.

The thing is, that it is possible, that she knew for SURE that Eddy was the father, and it just totally outraged her that Eddy and his family did not take responsibility for his actions and help support her and the child.

Times had clearly changed so much since the last Duke of Clarence fathered at least 10 ilegitimate children, gave the eldest son of them a peerage and openly acknowleged all of them. Eddy couldn't do that, neither could his family, without being called an immoral lot, etc.

I haven't heard any SERIOUSLY made claims that Eddy fathered any other children than A.M. Crook and C.G.G. Haddon.

What other women did he supposedly impregnate? Makes you wonder when he had time for those ''boys'' with all these women he was linked to. ::)

I suppose you do not want to see my newspaper articles about Eddy and Haddon, or maybe you  have already seen them? :-\
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on October 03, 2006, 07:10:56 AM
I don't have any other details about these supposed illicit relationships of Eddy's -- just what I posted before.  :)

I suppose this sounds silly, but in an old newspaper, having "relations" with someone can also refer to face to face social interaction, so can we be sure about this?  :-[   

The articles you have would be most interesting -- can you post them here?  Let me know if you would prefer not to.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on October 03, 2006, 08:28:17 AM
Or it could be that somehow the royal family knew for sure that the child couldn't be Eddy's--such as if the dates turned out not to match up.

GV was I'm sure protective of his brother's memory and he was definitely protective of his own and his family's name--witness the unprecedented step he took in actually bringing a libel case against a reporter (Mylius) who repeated the old rumor that he was a bigamist. I'm not surprised the family would react strongly if they felt that this child was not Eddy's.

That's not to mention the fact that, depending on when in the 1920s Haddon arrived, GV wouldn't have wanted his mother, by then increasingly frail, to hear about a woman screaming at the gates of BP that her beloved son had fathered a child with her. If it happened later in the 1920, after QA's death, GV's health was becoming a matter of concern as evidenced by his near fatal illness and prolonged recovery in 1928-29. I'm sure that the royal family had more pressing matters to deal with.

I wonder how much of the story that was handled by lower-level officials actually reached the top--it was during WW1 after all that Mrs Haddon was in England.

A good deal of the information is posted on the QA thread--perhaps it should be moved here as it's more relevant to this topic.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 03, 2006, 10:14:10 AM
Margery came screaming at the gates in 1914.

Clarence was born in 1890, after Eddy had been made Duke of Clarence. He was conceived without doubt while Eddy was in India in 1889. The dates did match up.

I bet the royal family reacted strongly because they could, it's not like today where someone could demand to prove their claim with a DNA test. And like today, the Royal Family would not want people to look down on them as being not good role models by another illegitimate child popping up.

If I remember correctly, Haddon started pursuing his claim in the 1924. It says when in the article I posted in the QA thread.

It seems that there is A LOT  of material about this case involving the police, etc. in the National Archives at Kew.

They are apparently open now.

Andrew Cook apparently decided not to investigate this  matter as Haddon isn't even in the index. The Crooks get a passing mention though.

As moderator, can't you move it all over GDElla, I think you should. :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 03, 2006, 10:48:32 AM
Eric wrote:

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So is Eddy being gay or bisexual a possibility ! 


Eric why, do you keep going on about this? I've already explained numerous times the way it stands:

Gay - no possibility. He pursued women and had lovers and possibily children.

Bisexual - almost no possibility. He had no male lovers to speak of. There's nothing to hint at at all, which one would SURELY expect and need in order to classify him as bisexual ala George Kent.

A Homosexual experience or two: Possible. No way to say yes or no.

My patience is running out as you just keep saying the same things, forcing me to write stuff I have written before. We've already been over it all.

In order to say without doubt he had no children - DNA evidence is all that is required. No check.

In order to say he wasn't gay - lust for women is required. Check.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 03, 2006, 10:51:27 AM
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Agreed...Although I think Queen Alexandra will understanding even if he was bi or gay or have illegitmate children. There are enough examples of both in her own family... 


For the upteenth time, Eddy was not gay or bisexual. He was heterosexual and well known to be.

Illegitimate children - WE DON'T KNOW!! ::)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on October 03, 2006, 12:42:08 PM
Thank you for the interesting info, Basilforever. Did Clarence Guy Gordon Haddon have any children of his own?

P.S. I too am getting sick of certain repetitive 'gay lifestyle' investigators.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 03, 2006, 12:54:22 PM
Hi Mrs. Eddy (that is a very good user name)

I don't know if Gordon Haddon had any children himself. He did have a job though. He was an engineer.

I'd kind of like one day to track down a copy of his book.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on October 03, 2006, 03:28:04 PM
Thank you Basil!  :)

I too have never seen a copy of his book, let alone read one! I would love to get my hands on it one day!

I was thinking...if he (Clarence) had a child (who could be still living) scientists could determine whether Eddy was a relative. I understand that if he had a son, DNA testing using the Y chromasome (inherited through the male line-- from father to son) could be matched against a male relative of George V's. (Say, for instance the present Duke of Kent.) If Clarence had a daughter however, this could be more tricky... Can't see this happening though--but it would be interesting to say the least!

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 04, 2006, 12:15:13 AM
I don't know much about how DNA testing works. I thought that you could just get one person's blood that is related to Eddy, say in a direct female line, such as the present Duke of Fife and compare it to Eddy's daughter. Or what you suggested with the Duke of Kent and Eddy's supposed son. But it's not going to happen as no one as far as I know is pursuing such claims anymore. Probably if we read ''My Uncle George V'' we might be able to determine for ourselves whether Haddon had a basis for his claims. :-\

When Haddon was put on trial for writing letters to the King ''demanding money with menaces'', he defended himself by saying that he himself had been menaced and had been put under supervision or hounded by the police for nearly his whole life. The judge admitted that yes he had been watched by the police for a long time. It's a bit mysterious.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on October 05, 2006, 08:50:31 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/AlixandAlbertVictor.jpg)
Alix with her first born child Albert Victor.

RN
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 11, 2006, 02:15:14 PM
Eddy's tomb, in St. George's Chapel, Windsor

(http://www.stgeorges-windsor.org/images/hist_victoria2p.gif)

(http://www.stgeorges-windsor.org/images/tour_albert5p.gif)

Truly awesome sculptural work. :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: ilyala on October 12, 2006, 02:29:16 AM
who's burried next to him? (first pic)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 12, 2006, 04:31:01 AM
His grandfather, Prince Albert The Prince Consort.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Taren on October 12, 2006, 05:21:19 AM
His grandfather, Prince Albert The Prince Consort.

Really? I thought Prince Albert was buried at Frogmore beside Queen Victoria.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 12, 2006, 05:26:26 AM
Yes you're right, Victoria and Albert are both interred at Frogmore.



But who is there then, I'm not sure now. ???
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 12, 2006, 05:37:08 AM
I double checked and I was absolutely right, well nearly. :) ;)

NO-ONE is buried in that grave next to Eddy.

It is just the MONUMENT to Prince Albert, the Prince Consort, which I knew was the case.

See:

(http://www.dagoodstuff.com/EbayPictures/Print1j1.jpg)

(http://www.dagoodstuff.com/EbayPictures/Print1j2.jpg)

Albert's memorial Tomb is right next to Eddy at St. George's, but Albert's body is at Frogmore.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Taren on October 12, 2006, 05:37:24 AM
According to the St. George's Chapel site, the marble cenotaph is of Prince Albert (as it's the Albert Memorial Chapel) but he's not actually buried there.

Edit: I imagine we were both double checking at the same place.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 12, 2006, 05:39:29 AM
I double checked and I was absolutely right about this, well nearly. :) ;)

NO-ONE is buried in that grave next to Eddy.

It is just the MONUMENT to Prince Albert, the Prince Consort, which I knew was the case.

See:

(http://www.dagoodstuff.com/EbayPictures/Print1j1.jpg)

(http://www.dagoodstuff.com/EbayPictures/Print1j2.jpg)

Albert's memorial Tomb is right next to Eddy at St. George's, but Albert's body is at Frogmore.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 12, 2006, 07:36:11 AM
Has anyone here actually seen the Documentary: Prince Eddy - The King We Never Had?

If so, could they tell me is it good?

I'm sure I would enjoy it VERY MUCH. It gives me such a thrill to see Eddy on the TV, or even just mentioned. :P

I presume none of our Australian posters have seen it???

I wrote to the ABC telling/requesting/begging them to screen it and here is what they wrote:

Thank you for your email.

The ABC does not have the rights to screen Prince Eddy: The King We
Never Had at this time.  Nevertheless, I have passed on your comments to
ABC television management, so that they are aware of audience demand for
this program.

Thank you for taking the time to write to the ABC.


So maybe I will one day see it. :-\

I think Australian Eddy fans or just royalty fans should also write in and request it, and then they will really get the message!!!!!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grand Duchess Kimbo on October 13, 2006, 06:49:40 AM
Has anyone here actually seen the Documentary: Prince Eddy - The King We Never Had?

If so, could they tell me is it good?

I'm sure I would enjoy it VERY MUCH. It gives me such a thrill to see Eddy on the TV, or even just mentioned. :P

I presume none of our Australian posters have seen it???

I wrote to the ABC telling/requesting/begging them to screen it and here is what they wrote:

Thank you for your email.

The ABC does not have the rights to screen Prince Eddy: The King We
Never Had at this time.  Nevertheless, I have passed on your comments to
ABC television management, so that they are aware of audience demand for
this program.

Thank you for taking the time to write to the ABC.


So maybe I will one day see it. :-\

I think Australian Eddy fans or just royalty fans should also write in and request it, and then they will really get the message!!!!!

A very good idea to write into the ABC. I'll write in too--I'm also Australian.


P.S--when in Australia, did Eddy ever make a trip to Adelaide? ???
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: aussiechick12 on October 13, 2006, 08:23:40 AM
 ;D Good idea, I'm going to write to them too!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 13, 2006, 11:19:38 AM
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P.S--when in Australia, did Eddy ever make a trip to Adelaide?

Eddy and his brother George's trip to Australia included visits to:



The cruise of the Bacchante was very big indeed! :)

When they were in SA they almost certainly went to Adelaide...
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Robert_Hall on October 13, 2006, 01:51:31 PM
According to the Cook bio, a paasenger mail boat took them on the Adelaide [from Albany]
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on October 13, 2006, 06:52:08 PM
The Australian Broadcasting Corporation actually cares about "audience demand" for a program?  That's news to me!  :D 

Anyway, shall pass on my two cents worth as well, though anyone who has read the Andrew Cook book Prince Eddy: The King Britain Never Had will have the information and photos contained in the documentary anyway, I think, as it was based on the book.  There was a discussion on it in one of the older Eddy threads also.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Belochka on October 13, 2006, 09:39:17 PM
The Australian Broadcasting Corporation actually cares about "audience demand" for a program?  That's news to me!  :D 

To be fair to this organization, yes it actually does care, Grace.

Margarita
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grand Duchess Kimbo on October 14, 2006, 01:39:36 AM
The Australian Broadcasting Corporation actually cares about "audience demand" for a program?  That's news to me!  :D 

Anyway, shall pass on my two cents worth as well, though anyone who has read the Andrew Cook book Prince Eddy: The King Britain Never Had will have the information and photos contained in the documentary anyway, I think, as it was based on the book.  There was a discussion on it in one of the older Eddy threads also.


Well, I think the ABC cares a little more about history than 7/9/10 do, at least. ;D
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 14, 2006, 01:47:55 AM
It cares a lot more about History than the commercial networks of course.

But I can also kind of picture the Eddy doco on SBS too.

Hopefully one of them will screen it.

I would be VERY VERY excited. ;D :o

It doesn't matter if it is based on the Cook book, it will still have lots of new and different opinions, pictures I'm sure.

Imagine a whole hour of Eddy on the television - aaaaaaaaah!!!!! :D :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grand Duchess Kimbo on October 14, 2006, 04:56:59 AM
It cares a lot more about History than the commercial networks of course.

But I can also kind of picture the Eddy doco on SBS too.

Hopefully one of them will screen it.

I would be VERY VERY excited. ;D :o

It doesn't matter if it is based on the Cook book, it will still have lots of new and different opinions, pictures I'm sure.

Imagine a whole hour of Eddy on the television - aaaaaaaaah!!!!! :D :)



SBS is blurry on most people's TVs tho, unless you have the glorious, glorious Foxtel. ;D


So Eddy did come to Adelaide.. :D
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 14, 2006, 08:24:16 AM
Yes and there's sure to be some pictures of him there.

There is a portrait of Eddy and George descending into a Ballarat gold mine!

SBS has always been crystal-clear on my TVs, and I don't have any Foxtel. I'm lucky - cause it's my favourite channel. :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on October 15, 2006, 01:41:04 AM
The Australian Broadcasting Corporation actually cares about "audience demand" for a program?  That's news to me!  :D 

To be fair to this organization, yes it actually does care, Grace.

Margarita

Well, it doesn't all the time, I'm sorry to contradict.  It can't afford to, to begin with.

If this documentary appears on Australian television, it would probably go to one of the pay T.V. stations, such as the Biography Channel or the History Channel, I would think.  I doubt that it will screen in Australia but I suppose it's a faint possibility.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 15, 2006, 02:19:45 AM
I think it will eventually come to the ABC.

Now they have some viewer demand.

And I can just imagine the commercial - "He was born to be King, he was rumoured to tbe Jack the Ripper, what is the real truth about Prince Eddy??" ;D

I don't care what sensationalist tactics are employed, I just want to see it.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on October 17, 2006, 05:25:18 AM
(http://www.channel4.com/history/media/P/prince_eddy/prince_eddy_5cnotx_22nov.jpg)

Obviously the answer is the latter - Prince Eddy's early death cheated us of a good monarch.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on December 14, 2006, 09:06:08 PM
From the New York Times article on his funeral:

Once the body had arrived (via train) at Windsor station, the funeral procession was:

Prince of Wales, Prince George, Duke of Fife

Duke of Connaught, Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Christian of Schleswig-Holstein, Prince Henry of Battenberg, Marquis of Lorne

Grand Duke Alexis (representing AIII)

Prince Albert of Schleswig-Holstein, Crown Prince Frederick of Denmark, Duke of Oporto (representing the King of Portugal)

Prince Frederick Leopold of Prussia, Duke of Teck, Prince Ernst of Leiningen, Prince Edward of Saxe-Weimar

Adolphus, Francis and Alexander of Teck

Duke of Wurttemberg and Philip of Coburg

The Princesses drove in a carriage down a separate road from the one the procession took.

The Prince of Wales and Prince George were the 'centre of interest' and 'bore themselves with manly gravity, and looked neither to the right nor left'.

Once the coffin was placed in the chapel, a small window in the Queen's Chapel opened and Alexandra, Louise, Victoria, Maud and May took their seats in the gallery. The Prince of Wales stood at the head of the coffin, with George and the Duke of Fife each on the other sides. The other royals were in a group near them.

At about the middle of the service (which lasted about an hour) a chair was brought in for the Prince of Wales to sit down on. As the Bishop of Rochester pronounced the benediction, the Prince knelt and placed his face in his hands.

At the end of the service, the Prince led the royal personages out while Alexandra was seen to remain behind in the gallery for a period afterwards. At the reception afterwards, the Prince of Wales, while obviously weary, had a kind word for everyone.  When the train had first arrived at Windsor station, the Prince of Wales noticed that Prince George's uniform didn't provided sufficient protection from the cold, had a cloak sent for and placed it on him himself.

Queen Victoria, attended by Princess Louise (Lorne), was at a memorial service at Osborne.




Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Prince_Lieven on December 15, 2006, 10:30:47 AM
Did anyone watch the documentary on Channel 4 last night 'the King we never had'? I didn't see it the first time it was on. To be honest, I wasn't all that impressed. I've nothing against Eddy, and I'm glad they done a lot to prove he wasn't slow witted or anything. However, it's a big leap from 'Eddy was slow witted' to 'Eddy was a saint', which seemed to be what they were implying at the end. One letter in favour of Irish home rule and they decide that Eddy was a progressive, 'common touch' man who would have done things sooo differently.  ::)

As some of you know, I'm no fan of George V, but am I the only one who thinks he was hard done by in this documentary? They seemed to be saying that he encouraged the rumours about Eddy and never once mentioned how sad he was at Eddy's death. In fact, with comments like 'he took Eddy's crown and took his fiancee' they almost seemed to imply that George and Eddy were arch enemies or something!  ??? Edward VII got some bad press too, with them saying that if a wife couldn't be found for Eddy he should be 'banished to the Colonies' which made it sound like they wanted to pack Eddy off to the outback forever instead of simply a tour of the Colonies to broaden his horizons. It was full of unsourced statements too - 'the royal family never talk about him': how could they possibly know that??

Whew, sorry, rant over!  ;) Just my humble opinion!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on December 15, 2006, 04:48:25 PM
Thanks for this post about Eddy's funeral, GDE. 

The winter of January 1892 was a particularly bitter one and George was still recovering from his attack of typhoid in late 1891, so I can imagine what an awful state he must have been, physically and emotionally, when Bertie personally placed the cloak around him.  :(

-0-

Lieven, I tend to agree with your opinion on the Eddy documentary, even though I haven't seen it myself.  I don't think that by providing evidence that Eddy wasn't involved in some of the sordid things he has been accused of, it is necessary to then claim he was a saint, which simply isn't true.   

Any talk of George going against Eddy is erroneous also -- George dearly loved Eddy and those feelings were reciprocated, different though the two of them were.

The documentary seemed to want to tip the scales a little much the other way to me at the expense of others and, as I have the book it was based on, I'm not particularly concerned I haven't seen it.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on December 16, 2006, 12:08:25 AM
I tend to agree about the documentary/book from all that I've heard/read. Of course, I'm a George V partisan anyway but I don't know why one person always seems to have to be 'tossed overboard' in favor of the other. I think it does a real disservice to what was one of the strongest relationships for either man--especially for Eddy given his shorter life. After Alexandra, his most important relationship was probably with his brother while Eddy was one of the few people who probably saw the much softer side of George V.

The funeral descriptions were very touching, I thought. I really just posted the basics as the various articles take up pages. In the books that deal with the death, the narrative tends to skip straight from Eddy dying to George marrying May and the focus tends to be on Alexandra's grief--not surprisingly. I found the glimpses of the funeral and the demeanor/actions of Bertie and George very interesting and evocative. There were real fears at the time that his grief over his brother's death might cause George, still very weak, to relapse and perhaps die. That's part of the reason press speculation about who/when he'd marry started up even before Eddy was laid to rest.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Taren on December 16, 2006, 12:56:35 AM
It was full of unsourced statements too - 'the royal family never talk about him': how could they possibly know that??

Even if that is true, I don't see why they would expect the royal family to talk about him. No one alive today ever knew him. As much as we'd all love to think that the royals sit around and discuss their ancestors I really doubt that's the case. He's the queen's great-uncle. Yes, his death ultimately lead to her existence, but there are all sorts of what if's about history. What if Princess Charlotte had lived or if William IV and Adelaide had had a child to live? I'm sure they're all aware of Eddy, but can you really expect Charles, Anne, Andrew, and Edward to sit around discussing a great-great uncle they never knew?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Prince_Lieven on December 16, 2006, 06:42:00 AM
It was full of unsourced statements too - 'the royal family never talk about him': how could they possibly know that??

Even if that is true, I don't see why they would expect the royal family to talk about him. No one alive today ever knew him. As much as we'd all love to think that the royals sit around and discuss their ancestors I really doubt that's the case. He's the queen's great-uncle. Yes, his death ultimately lead to her existence, but there are all sorts of what if's about history. What if Princess Charlotte had lived or if William IV and Adelaide had had a child to live? I'm sure they're all aware of Eddy, but can you really expect Charles, Anne, Andrew, and Edward to sit around discussing a great-great uncle they never knew?

Yes, yes, I know what you mean. They said it like 'ooh, the royal family don't talk about him, scandal!!'  ::) I don't talk about my great-uncles.  ;D Like you say, I doubt the Queen does either. I was just that they made the statement as though the new it to be fact, without giving evidence - that gets under my skin!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on January 08, 2007, 10:28:37 AM
Remembering Eddy today, on what would have been his 143rd birthday. He will never be forgotten.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Vaska_Meow on January 15, 2007, 04:28:18 PM
Are there any reviews on the AP of the book, The King Britain Never Had.

There are no reviews for it on Amazon and I'd be thankful if someone could pass on a link so that I can get some idea of the book's quality. Thanks.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on January 15, 2007, 10:19:52 PM
There are two reviews on Amazon.uk

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(1 out of 5 stars) 11 Jun 2006

The point of this book seems to want to prove that Prince Eddy 'would have made a fine king and changed the face of the British monarchy'.Unfortunately for me, the book seems to meander as much as Prince Eddy's mind did in his life.Far too much space is devoted to prove the obvious fact that he was not Jack the Ripper or maybe not involved in the Cleveland Street scandal and far too many other pages are devoted to subjects that really have no bearing on his life.A muddling and unsatisfactory book.

(4 stars out of 5) 12 Mar 2006
         
Andrew Cook sets out to have a fresh look on HRH Prince Albert Victor of Wales or popular known as Prince Eddy.
The prince was the eldest son of Edward VII. and Queen Alexandra and the elder brother of King George V. He already died in 1892. So he never became Prince of Wales (1901) or King (1910) as it had meant to be.

The prince seems to be largely forgotten (except for some history buffs) and his meager historical reputation is a bad one - stupid, involved in a homosexual scandal and suspected to be Jack the Ripper.

Andrew Cook has a different view of the Prince: popular and charismatic like the late Diana Princess of Wales, not guilty of any crimes history seems to believe he committed, a key role figure who would have made a fine king and would have changed the face of the British monarchy.

Quite opposing views: did Andrew Cook prove his point with his biography?

The book offers indeed a very interesting fresh look on the Prince. It is the first proper full fleshed biography; the life to this prince is not just a footnote in the biographies of his parents or this brother and his wife, Queen Mary, who had been Prince Eddy's fiancée. I feel that this is very positive.

Tat Prince Eddy was indeed not Jack the Ripper had been proved. His involvement in the homosexual Cleveland Street Scandal is open to debate. Andrew Cook writes in-depth about it and one wonders why if the Prince was not involved. Not very convincing!

For the argument that the Prince was not the brightest of persons the authors seems to believe that the education he received was inadequate (that is to say it was not Eddy's fault) or that the reputation was not deserved: Page 109 states "he who so notoriously reacted with indolence and inattention could spend long evenings concentrating on the complexities of whist, furiously energetic afternoons playing hockey or lacrosse, because these things mattered to him.
In my view not at all a great or convincing argument.

That he was charismatic and popular as Princess Diana is not proved at all. The author seems to be taken the usual dues to royalty as a real prove of being popular and loved by the population. On the other hand he states that "other than the Queen and the Princes and Princess of Wales ....the faces of the royal family were not well known (pages 132). So does he want to say that a basically unknown prince was as popular as the late Princess Diana? Does that make sense? My answer is simply no. For the aspect of charisma I could not find any prove of that.

The author states that Prince Eddy had made no mark on history as he done nothing remarkable or even reprehensible (page 278). Yes, this is indeed true (quite different from Princess Diana I may add). Mr. Cook continues this statement by adding that the Prince was "spotless" and because goodness is dull, he was easily forgotten. I feel this carries the notion too far. I rather feel as there was indeed not much about this Prince he was forgotten. The whole book did not give one single aspect why this Prince should be remembered as somebody remarkable who would have made a great king.

However, I would grant Mr. Cook to have been proving that the historic reputation could have been better. Eddy was liked by his family and circle. He was properly a charming, but rather uninteresting person. Nice company but not much more.
That he had the stuff for a great king, I cannot see this.

It was interesting to read this book and see if Andrew Cook can prove his basic points. I believe he did not do this as he seems to be "obsessed" by the idea of Prince Eddy being something more and better than historic reputation had it. Nevertheless I enjoyed reading the book.
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So, there you have 2 divergent ones. Based on what the 2nd person wrote, I'm surprised they gave it 4 stars though. It seemed more qualified than that.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Vaska_Meow on January 16, 2007, 08:13:25 AM
Thank you Granduchessella.
Conflicting reviews indeed. Oh well, I'm going to buy it anyway if only because I'm so happy to see that Eddy is being discussed as more than a footnote.
He was always rather a man of mystery. I'm doubt this book will solve the mystery, but it should be fun to learn a little more about our Eddy.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on January 16, 2007, 02:25:07 PM
Yes, you will always get conflicting opinions in book reviews!  If you go back some pages in this thread (and maybe even the earlier one on Eddy, if it's still available) you will find some discussion on the Andrew Cook book by one or two of the posters here (including myself)!

If you are interested in Eddy and his life, I think the book is worth getting.  It has interesting details in it I've not heard elsewhere and quotes many sources for accuracy. 

If you are looking for answers to the supposedly "mysterious" aspects of Eddy's life, unfortunately, you won't find them in this book, however.  :(
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on January 18, 2007, 06:26:46 AM
Many people will have seen the image of Alix, Maud and little Arthur Connaught, but I think the full image (with EDDY!) will be new to a lot of you! I believe it was taken in 1888.  :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/gurutiek/eddyplay.jpg)


Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on January 18, 2007, 08:08:52 AM
I haven't seen it before at all, so thank you for posting.  Wow!  It's an amazing photo!  I'm wondering...was it taken during a tableaux or was it a posed studio photo?  ???
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Laura_ on January 18, 2007, 10:08:40 AM
is the little girl Daisy Connaught?  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on January 18, 2007, 02:46:30 PM
I haven't seen it before at all, so thank you for posting.  Wow!  It's an amazing photo!  I'm wondering...was it taken during a tableaux or was it a posed studio photo?  ???

Glad you liked it Grace!  :D I gasped when I first saw it. As you know 'new' pictures of him are so hard to find. It was taken after one of those tableaux-vivants Queen Victoria was so fond of. Apparently it was performed at Balmoral before the Queen, the Princess of Wales and the Duchess of Albany between 5 and 6 October 1888. Now we have a date for this picture of Eddy as Bonnie Prince Charlie, posted by Princeeddy1864

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/gurutiek/eddycharlie.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on January 18, 2007, 02:50:30 PM
is the little girl Daisy Connaught?  :)

I'm not sure Laurra. Daisy would have been 6 at the time, so the age fits in well. Since the Duchess of Connaught wasn't mentioned as one of the viewers of the tableaux, I have a feeling it isn't Daisy. I'm pretty sure the man with the pipe, standing behind her is Henry Ponsonby.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Keith on January 18, 2007, 03:57:24 PM
It does look like it could be Daisy. I think at this time frame, the Connaughts were in India and only Patsy was with them. Arthur and Daisy had been sent back to England and were staying with QV.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on January 18, 2007, 06:23:25 PM
Welcome back, MrsE--long time no see!

My first thought when I looked at the photo was that the little girl was Daisy--isn't the boy with the curly hair Arthur Jr?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Alicky1872 on January 18, 2007, 06:32:15 PM
Yes, it must be Daisy. I don't know why I didn't connect it before-- Arthur Jr is there, so Daisy would have been as well. I'm getting senile in my old age.  ::)

Can anyone identify the man and woman on the right?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Laura_ on January 19, 2007, 03:10:09 AM

My first thought when I looked at the photo was that the little girl was Daisy--isn't the boy with the curly hair Arthur Jr?

now i'm sure it is Daisy!  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Laura_ on January 19, 2007, 03:26:49 AM
isn't the man standing  Arthur, Duke of Connaught ? the lady sitting could be the Duchess of Connaught  :-\ dont know about the third person :-\
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on January 19, 2007, 08:28:33 AM
My thought was that it was the Duchess of Connaught but someone mentioned the Duke and Duchess were abroad at the time? If they weren't, I'd definitely say this was her--the lady has the smaller eyes and flatter features of the Duchess. I don't think the standing man is the Duke--the nose doesn't look the same and the age seems off.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on February 05, 2007, 01:24:37 AM
Remembering Eddy today, on what would have been his 143rd birthday. He will never be forgotten.

I'm glad someone paid a little tribute to darling Prince Eddy on his birthday. I thought of him on his birth and death dates but I was travelling overseas and couldn't write anything here. He will truly never be forgotten! And I love that picture of Eddy in the play - he looks so handsome and it's great to see him in different sort of clothes.  :-*
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on February 05, 2007, 02:43:33 AM
Indeed, Basilforever, Eddy will always live on to us and is especially remembered on those two dates in January.  :(

I have just had a look at the Majesty magazine website and there is a story in the current issue called The Forgotten Prince, which is apparently about a "much maligned heir to the throne".

Can anyone tell me whether or not it's about Eddy?

Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on February 05, 2007, 12:41:28 PM
Grace, I was just about to come onto this thread and ask the same question.

There isn't really any other direct heir to the throne who remained just a Prince in recent centuries other than Eddy. So I think it must be about him. But they had a feauture article on him last year in Majesty as well (filled with mistakes), which I corrected on another board. That current issue won't be available in Australia for a couple of months, so I really want someone to tell me if it is about Eddy as well. If it is I hope it is a good quality article. Maybe they are talking about Prince Frederick, Prince of Wales? ???
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on February 05, 2007, 07:47:54 PM
I tried looking around for some info on it and all I could find is that the author, Susanna Groome, has written pretty extensively on Kew Palace. I'm not getting the feeling it's about Eddy for some reason--perhaps because, like Basil pointed out, there was a fairly recent article on him. Plus, he doesn't really seem 'forgotten' right now considering there was just a full-length bio on him. It would seem an odd title given that.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on February 24, 2007, 06:43:10 AM
Is there any one here who has the issue of Majesty magazine now, so they can tell us is the article about Prince Eddy?  ???

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/2905063.jpg)

Eddy with May at their engagment photo session with her family.

You can look at the photograph in great detail by magnifying it here:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=duke+of+clarence&object=2905063&row=10&detail=magnify

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on February 24, 2007, 02:35:51 PM
I've always tried to figure out who they are wearing mourning for and the only thing I can figure is that it's for Victor Hohenlohe, Queen Victoria's nephew. He married Laura Seymour and founded the Gleichen branch of the Hohenlohe-Langenburg's in England. It was at Victor's funeral that Prince Eddy attended, hatless, in the freezing rain and became ill very soon after.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on February 25, 2007, 09:56:14 AM
 :'( Oh, why couldn't Eddy have worn a hat? Couldn't Motherdear or someone else told him to put one on? Especially with George being ill at the time (he was, wasn't he already at that stage?) the utmost care should have been taken to protect Eddy from falling ill.  :(
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on March 04, 2007, 08:25:35 AM
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h73/Duchess_album/England/AlbertVictorKilt2.jpg)

A nice clear picture of Eddy in his kilt, I think in 1888. Eddy will always be my favourite Prince.  :-*
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Kurt Steiner on March 04, 2007, 10:16:55 AM
:'( Oh, why couldn't Eddy have worn a hat? Couldn't Motherdear or someone else told him to put one on? Especially with George being ill at the time (he was, wasn't he already at that stage?) the utmost care should have been taken to protect Eddy from falling ill.  :(

We cannot escape from our fate... :'(

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h73/Duchess_album/England/AlbertVictorKilt2.jpg)

A nice clear picture of Eddy in his kilt, I think in 1888. Eddy will always be my favourite Prince.  :-*

Mine too. Perhaps not the only one -too many charming royals around-, but one of the most dear to me.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 24, 2007, 03:21:49 AM
Kurt, Basilforever, Mrs. Eddy and the literally billions of Eddy fans throughout the world (and further, no doubt) will find this little piece I stumbled upon as interesting and enjoyable as I did, hopefully.  :)
http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=239777 (http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=239777)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Kurt Steiner on March 24, 2007, 04:16:10 AM
How curious! Good finding!!!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: TampaBay on March 24, 2007, 05:14:30 AM
Kurt, Basilforever, Mrs. Eddy and the literally billions of Eddy fans throughout the world (and further, no doubt) will find this little piece I stumbled upon as interesting and enjoyable as I did, hopefully.  :)
http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=239777 (http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=239777)

Grace,

Have you been to Sydney to see the slippers?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on March 24, 2007, 09:34:55 AM
Good find Grace, they are very cute. Interesting to see this monogram with the Royal Crown A and V.

When HRH became Duke of Clarence, he got a different monogram.
I saw it on the cover of this book -
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p232/OnlyEddy/More%20Eddy%20Pictures/fa12_1_b.jpg?t=1174746722)

The Crown and a C

Here is an interesting photoshopped picture of darling Eddy I found -

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p232/OnlyEddy/More%20Eddy%20Pictures/Dear_Officer_by_pocketmuse.jpg?t=1174746796)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 24, 2007, 04:00:39 PM
Thank you Kurt, TB, and BF.  :)

No, Tampa, I haven't been to Sydney for some time, but will definitely earmark this exhibition for my next visit.  It would be interesting to know how the little slippers ended up in Australia.

Basil, the Vincent book The Duke of Clarence is for sale on Ebay now, as you no doubt know.  Wouldn't we love to own it?  :o
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on March 25, 2007, 05:01:28 AM
Oh yes, I am winning the bidding currently, but no doubt I will quickly be outbid again.  >:( ;)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on March 26, 2007, 04:31:52 AM
Indeed, Basilforever, Eddy will always live on to us and is especially remembered on those two dates in January.  :(

I have just had a look at the Majesty magazine website and there is a story in the current issue called The Forgotten Prince, which is apparently about a "much maligned heir to the throne".

Can anyone tell me whether or not it's about Eddy?

Thanks!  :)

Grace, I got this issue of Majesty today and the article about the "much-malinged heir to the throne", is about Prince Frederick, Prince of Wales, as I predicted it could be. It still is very interesting though, and has lots of nice portraits of Fred. I feel sorry for him, because his parents hated him so much, his mother called him the biggest beast in all the world. At least Eddy had parents who loved him.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 27, 2007, 02:49:46 AM
Oh, okay, BF, thanks very much for letting us know.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on March 27, 2007, 06:27:56 PM
Are there any Eddy books that only talk about his life?  Most of them seem to be what the author thinks/thought of him after he died

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: TampaBay on March 27, 2007, 08:19:26 PM
Grand Duke of NJ,

I have yet to find one.

TampaBay

You have been elevated in the peerage from a Duke to a Grand Duke  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 27, 2007, 11:04:35 PM
Are there any Eddy books that only talk about his life?  Most of them seem to be what the author thinks/thought of him after he died

-Duke of NJ

It's a bit hard to know what you mean, Duke of New Jersey.  If the books are on Eddy, they will be about his life.  I agree with you though in that we don't need to know any author's opinions of him.  Present the facts to us and we're smart enough to do that ourselves, right?  :D

Biographies are:- The Duke Of Clarence by J. E. Vincent (1893), Clarence by Michael Harrison (1972), Prince Eddy And The Homosexual Underworld by Theo Aronson (1984) and Prince Eddy by Andrew Cook (2006).

Was anyone lucky enough to win the J. E. Vincent book on Eddy which was on Ebay until a day or so ago?  It's very hard to come by but I will feel happier if someone from here got it.  :(
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on March 28, 2007, 08:54:41 AM
Are there any Eddy books that only talk about his life?  Most of them seem to be what the author thinks/thought of him after he died

-Duke of NJ

It's a bit hard to know what you mean, Duke of New Jersey.  If the books are on Eddy, they will be about his life.  I agree with you though in that we don't need to know any author's opinions of him.  Present the facts to us and we're smart enough to do that ourselves, right?  :D

Biographies are:- The Duke Of Clarence by J. E. Vincent (1893), Clarence by Michael Harrison (1972), Prince Eddy And The Homosexual Underworld by Theo Aronson (1984) and Prince Eddy by Andrew Cook (2006).

Was anyone lucky enough to win the J. E. Vincent book on Eddy which was on Ebay until a day or so ago?  It's very hard to come by but I will feel happier if someone from here got it.  :(

Well I tried to get it, and I know you did too Grace, but alas someone else jumped in at the last minute. The prince got up very high, in Australian dollars. I feel confident I'll get Vincent's book someday.

Probably other than Vincent's rather rare book, the most ubiased one of him would be Prince Eddy: The King We Never Had by Andrew Cook. Lots of great research in there, and Eddy is treated with PROPER respect.

I love Clarence by Harrison as well, because there are so many fascinating things in it. I love Eddy though, so I am biased.  ;)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 29, 2007, 11:32:15 PM
I debated where to put this one since everyone in it seems to have their own thread. I picked Eddy's since he has so many rabid fans and because it relates to a question.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/1723821.jpg)

The question is--I have several pictures from what seems to be, based on George's outfit and the female mourning, the same sitting. None of the others had Eddy in it so I always assumed, given the approximate date, that the mourning was for him. Since he's in this picture, if it's the same sitting that obviously isn't the case. Does anyone know who the mourning might be for?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 30, 2007, 01:22:15 AM
I've never seen it before, GDE, thank you!  :o

To me, the men don't appear to be in mourning but the women do.  Wouldn't Eddy and George at least have black ties on?  Could Alix and the girls be in non-court-appointed mourning for, say, a lady-in-waiting or similar?

Could it be a composite photograph?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on March 30, 2007, 04:00:49 AM
Great photo! I always love to see ones like that with the Prince and Princess of Wales and all five of the surviving Wales siblings! Eddy was so tall and manly.   ;)

Grace has some good suggestions about who the mourning could be for, someone they knew personally but who wasn't of a high rank, perhaps.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 11, 2007, 07:25:49 AM
Absolutely marvellous, of course - thanks BF.  :D

There are a great many CDV's on royalty (including these) on eBay at present - I think a single seller with a large stock is liquidating so, if interested, have a look!  :o
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on April 11, 2007, 04:09:21 PM
yes the one with the gun is great. it really got me.  :o. its quite a rare pose.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 12, 2007, 04:23:35 AM
The other Royal CDVs of Eddy currently available.

(http://i14.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/97/b6/a9ee_1.JPG)

So handsome

(http://i15.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/97/8f/98f5_1.JPG)

(http://i9.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/97/8f/f2fd_1.JPG)

(http://i23.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/97/8f/ffe6_1.JPG)

It says the baby is Prince Albert Victor, but we all know it's not. I think it is Princess Maud.  :-\

(http://i19.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/97/90/7fbb_1.JPG)

Queen Victoria - a bit different

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 12, 2007, 04:34:21 AM
(http://i13.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/97/90/a419_1.JPG)

Grandmamma

(http://i4.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/97/90/f87c_1.JPG)

It says it is Prince Victor and Prince George - I think this is Princess Victoria and Princess Louise

(http://i24.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/97/91/0c52_1.JPG)

Princess Louise

(http://i10.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/97/91/589a_1.JPG)

(http://i18.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/97/91/62f8_1.JPG)

Prince Eddy's in this one. Princess Louise, (QV's daughter) is called Louisa
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on April 12, 2007, 10:14:43 AM


(http://i23.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/97/8f/ffe6_1.JPG)

It says the baby is Prince Albert Victor, but we all know it's not. I think it is Princess Maud.  :-\




This is Louise. The photo has been posted here before and we have discussed it I believe. Often the child is identified as being George.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 12, 2007, 10:19:31 AM
Yes I can see it is definitely Louise now.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Tdora1 on April 15, 2007, 10:48:44 PM
Anyone who was in the UK and watching the telly during the late 70's and early 80's will surely know the catchphrase "Shut that door!" - from Larry Grayson, the outrageously camp (especially for that less inclusive era) host of the Generation Game BBC family quiz show on Saturday nights. He took over the host duties from Bruce Forsyth - who turned the show into a massive ratings winner - and did a rather surprisingly popular job of it.

Larry's catchphrase was part of his prissily-camp public persona and was a response to any hint, suggestion, double entendre or veiled reference to male homosexuality. Apparently 'Shut that door!' in male homosexual street slang dated from the 1880's when Prince Albert Victor visited a place called Shuttadore in India and his antics in the male brothels there gave rise to the phrase firstly among journalists charged with trying to keep the details of his doings secret and later (and clearly not much of a secret any longer) popularised among the male homosexual sub-culture in the West End of London - among whom Eddy was hardly unknown...

Due to the criminality of homosexual acts between males until 1969 in the UK, many codes and catchphrases for sexual conduct were adopted and popularised among those in the know. Larry's 'Shut that door!' has an undoubted attibution to Eddy and the laundrymen especially. Allegedly.  :P
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 16, 2007, 04:25:23 AM
Tdora1, Eddy is my favourite royal but I do admit that I found your description of him in the other thread as a vapid dress doll etc. quite amusing.  You're entitled to hold that opinion on him as there's probably an element of truth in it to an extent.

However, straying into the old territory here (male brothels) is nothing new when it comes to this particular prince.  We've all heard the "alleged" rumours - murderer, promiscuous bisexual etc. etc. etc.  It's all old "news".  If you have any solid sources to back up what you've said, please let us know, because no one else has.  Otherwise, what's the point?  ???

 
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Tdora1 on April 16, 2007, 05:13:18 AM
I made no comment nor any speculation on anything that PAV may have been done or is alleged to have done, said, thought or had invented for him. I have made no contribution to any debate over anyone's sexuality in this post or any other, and doubt very much I ever will. Its not a concern of mine and second-guessing the behaviour and attitudes of the subjects of our posts in pointless and often ridiculous.

A popular comedian in the UK who hosted one of its longest-running and most-watched quiz shows was known above all else for a catchphrase which had an origin apparently lost in the murk of time. That it comes directly from alleged doings of a member of the royal family is a fact - no, I am not an expert on gay slang terms but there you are. I'll waste lots of time looking up and citing dubious sources to give this the credibility that will make no difference anyway, shall I, or just let it go as intended - what would make you happy?  Short of resurrecting the Prince and plonking him on a throne of cotton wool to be venerated by his worshippers, that is. Sorry, it's not going to happen and believing every single assertion made by a hastily-assembled cash-in biographical revision isn't going to topple the evidence for the less popular aspects.
You may as well expect the phrase 'Queen of Hearts' to be excised forthwith because of any one or more attitudes towards its most well-known association.  ???

The only elephant in the room here is the hysterical fallout endured by posters who dissent from the absurd veneration for this particular personage held by certain vociferous contributor(s).

Still, he does appear to carry his sword all by himself so that must surely mean beautiful beloved Princess Helene would have made a wonderful queen of - see, now you've got me doing it.  ;D

Oops. I'm off to speculate on some mind-wringing political intrigues or something over at the Hohenzollerns or somewhere. For my sins. I'll shut the door on my way...
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 16, 2007, 05:30:54 AM
I wasn't aware that my post was "hysterical", Tdora1?  ::)

Contrary to what most probably think around here, I have no problem at all with debate about Prince Eddy, his virtues, his failings and all of those things.  However, when a whole lot of ancient stuff is dredged up yet again to which no author or researcher has ever found positive evidence of, then surely one does have to say "what's the point"?  If it's at least got some proven element of truth in it then by all means have a discussion but otherwise - what's there to say?


Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Tdora1 on April 16, 2007, 06:31:29 AM
Noooo, Grace, your post was not at all hysterical and the points I'd made were not 'aimed' to you. I apologize for causing a misunderstanding there.  :-[

(Tdora offers to spend the afternoon with James Hewitt's memoirs as a punishment  :'( )
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on April 16, 2007, 07:29:44 AM
And a truly wretched punishment it is.  :)

I don't think it's generally wrong to discuss rumors as long as it's clearly stated that is what they are. There have been many good discussions on the rumors that surrounded GD Serge, for instance, and what it was about him that attracted these often vicious, unsubstantiated rumors that almost invariably painted him as an abusive, depraved individual. Similarly, the rumors about Eddy tend to revolve around homosexuality. Why was this? Because he was 'thin, single and neat' (to paraphrase an old Seinfeld joke), acquaintances or more?  Theo Aronson's book Prince Eddy and the Homosexual Underworld is a well-referenced book by a respected author. Much of this is discussed there though it's been a long time since I read it. (In fact, I own it and couldn't find it when I went to check it for the 'Shuttadore' reference which I think might be in there.)

 
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on April 16, 2007, 10:38:45 AM
Well some people fervently defend any rumors that have to with Eddy's realtionships but they have no quams about making unproven (and very rude) comments about other non-married royals or royals who had no children. 

And PLEASE NOTE that I am not refering to any specific poster, this is a general statement. 

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: aussiechick12 on April 16, 2007, 10:39:03 PM
I'm looking for a picture of Eddy and he's with his mother, his aunt Marie Feodorovna and her daughter Olga Alexandrovna and she's holding Eddy's hand. It's very adorable to see! Could someone please post it?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Greenowl on April 17, 2007, 01:10:13 AM
 Since my discovery of the “Alexander Palace” a few months ago I have been AMAZED to read the various threads, posts adulation and adoration devoted to Prince Albert Victor (Eddy).

Over the years I tended to by-pass him and considered him a relatively minor figure, no doubt due to his early death.

I have two questions: (1) What is it that makes him so attractive to his seemingly numerous ‘fans? (2) Why are there so many “negative” rumours (e.g. murderer, promiscuous bisexual, not the brightest candle on the birthday cake, vapid dress doll etc etc) surrounding him???

My own feeling is that “rumours”, however exaggerated and distorted, are usually based on some element of fact. However, should that not be the case here, who spread such rumours and more importantly, why????
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 17, 2007, 10:33:08 AM
Anyone who was in the UK and watching the telly during the late 70's and early 80's will surely know the catchphrase "Shut that door!" - from Larry Grayson, the outrageously camp (especially for that less inclusive era) host of the Generation Game BBC family quiz show on Saturday nights. He took over the host duties from Bruce Forsyth - who turned the show into a massive ratings winner - and did a rather surprisingly popular job of it.

Larry's catchphrase was part of his prissily-camp public persona and was a response to any hint, suggestion, double entendre or veiled reference to male homosexuality. Apparently 'Shut that door!' in male homosexual street slang dated from the 1880's when Prince Albert Victor visited a place called Shuttadore in India and his antics in the male brothels there gave rise to the phrase firstly among journalists charged with trying to keep the details of his doings secret and later (and clearly not much of a secret any longer) popularised among the male homosexual sub-culture in the West End of London - among whom Eddy was hardly unknown...

Due to the criminality of homosexual acts between males until 1969 in the UK, many codes and catchphrases for sexual conduct were adopted and popularised among those in the know. Larry's 'Shut that door!' has an undoubted attibution to Eddy and the laundrymen especially. Allegedly.  :P

What a whole load of rubbish. When Eddy was in India he was romancing Mrs. Margery Haddon, writing letters to her, and probably also fathering a son with her. And you expect us to belive he was hanging out in male brothels? They wouldn't be easy to find in a fervently religious traditional society like India anyway. This is all garbage, and is completely unfounded. Such silly sayings have nothing to do with Prince Eddy.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 17, 2007, 10:46:24 AM
A popular comedian in the UK who hosted one of its longest-running and most-watched quiz shows was known above all else for a catchphrase which had an origin apparently lost in the murk of time. That it comes directly from alleged doings of a member of the royal family is a fact - no, I am not an expert on gay slang terms but there you are. I'll waste lots of time looking up and citing dubious sources to give this the credibility that will make no difference anyway, shall I, or just let it go as intended - what would make you happy?  Short of resurrecting the Prince and plonking him on a throne of cotton wool to be venerated by his worshippers, that is. Sorry, it's not going to happen and believing every single assertion made by a hastily-assembled cash-in biographical revision isn't going to topple the evidence for the less popular aspects.
You may as well expect the phrase 'Queen of Hearts' to be excised forthwith because of any one or more attitudes towards its most well-known association.  ???

The only elephant in the room here is the hysterical fallout endured by posters who dissent from the absurd veneration for this particular personage held by certain vociferous contributor(s).

Still, he does appear to carry his sword all by himself so that must surely mean beautiful beloved Princess Helene would have made a wonderful queen of - see, now you've got me doing it.  ;D

Oops. I'm off to speculate on some mind-wringing political intrigues or something over at the Hohenzollerns or somewhere. For my sins. I'll shut the door on my way...

There isn't anything linking Prince Eddy to this phrase. It's about as credible as saying he was Jack the Ripper. Such allegations could never have any credibility.

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Short of resurrecting the Prince and plonking him on a throne of cotton wool to be venerated by his worshippers, that is. Sorry, it's not going to happen and believing every single assertion made by a hastily-assembled cash-in biographical revision isn't going to topple the evidence for the less popular aspects.
You may as well expect the phrase 'Queen of Hearts' to be excised forthwith because of any one or more attitudes towards its most well-known association.  ???

This inane babbling makes no sense. Eddy's fans don't want him resurrected and put on a throne of cotton wool and worshipped. I may love Eddy as many people love particular royal figures, but I don't worship him.

Andrew Cook's biography on Prince Eddy was not hastily-assembled, it was not cashed-in, and it was full of moderate assertions, backed up by extremely thorough and strong research. Not every assertion in it is 100% correct, but it is a work and book of Great quality compared to the reams of rubbish and innuendo with no connection to fact and how the Prince REALLY WAS one can find about him elsewhere.

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The only elephant in the room here is the hysterical fallout endured by posters who dissent from the absurd veneration for this particular personage held by certain vociferous contributor(s).

If you're referring to me, you're being offensive and wrong again. I have never posted anything hysterical. I don't care or mind in the least if others are not attracted to Eddy or do not ''venerate him''. There is NOTHING absurd about my or anyone else's liking for Eddy, and I am not vociferous.  ::)  >:(

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 17, 2007, 10:59:46 AM
And a truly wretched punishment it is.  :)

I don't think it's generally wrong to discuss rumors as long as it's clearly stated that is what they are. There have been many good discussions on the rumors that surrounded GD Serge, for instance, and what it was about him that attracted these often vicious, unsubstantiated rumors that almost invariably painted him as an abusive, depraved individual. Similarly, the rumors about Eddy tend to revolve around homosexuality. Why was this? Because he was 'thin, single and neat' (to paraphrase an old Seinfeld joke), acquaintances or more?  Theo Aronson's book Prince Eddy and the Homosexual Underworld is a well-referenced book by a respected author. Much of this is discussed there though it's been a long time since I read it. (In fact, I own it and couldn't find it when I went to check it for the 'Shuttadore' reference which I think might be in there.)

 

I don't think it's in there. Rumours about Eddy being gay are like the rumours about him being Jack the Ripper. There is no connection to anything factual. I don't want to go into all the rumours and their explanations concerning the Cleveland Street Scandal. However it is my belief Eddy was probably completely tolerant of his homosexual friend/s (Stephen, maybe there were others), and maybe accompanied them to the brothel once or twice or maybe he went in looking for naked women - ''poses plastiques'' as others did. The rumours and negativity are all just bizarre. I think the rumours are also in existence sadly because he was usually single, neat, fashionable, gentle, polite, unassuming, not gruff, thin, elegant, etc. But I think he probably had a high sexual appetite for women of all classes and that's how he got a certain mystery illness that Alfred Fripp helped him with. His liasion with Margery Haddon is all but proved, and I think he probably did have an affair with the Cleveland Street Shopgirl Annie Crook - whether he was the father of her daughter, is not known for sure. This in addition to his royal and aristocratic love affairs.

When I was reading (very quickly I must admit due to only having time to read all my university related stuff) I was rather surprised by Aronson's total bias in his book - and also how he kind of hints at others being gay - Fripp, even Dalton! But still that book has some good points and is very interesting regardless.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 17, 2007, 11:07:23 AM
Since my discovery of the “Alexander Palace” a few months ago I have been AMAZED to read the various threads, posts adulation and adoration devoted to Prince Albert Victor (Eddy).

Over the years I tended to by-pass him and considered him a relatively minor figure, no doubt due to his early death.

I have two questions: (1) What is it that makes him so attractive to his seemingly numerous ‘fans? (2) Why are there so many “negative” rumours (e.g. murderer, promiscuous bisexual, not the brightest candle on the birthday cake, vapid dress doll etc etc) surrounding him???

My own feeling is that “rumours”, however exaggerated and distorted, are usually based on some element of fact. However, should that not be the case here, who spread such rumours and more importantly, why????


Not all rumours are based on fact. Eddy being Jack the Ripper, surviving until he was into old age in Glamis Castle, was a rampant homosexual, etc. are some of them that have no connection to fact!!!!!!!!!

Not sure exactly why all the rumours spread up. Maybe because he died so young, and lived in an age when royals could sometimes walk down the street unrecognised, the press left them alone pretty much and only reported good things about their family life. He just seems rather mysterious as to what he was actually like. He has a rather fascinating face - the eyes are just kind of staring and seductive. He was so popular with his family, paticularly his mother.

Why do I love him? Because he was so kind, handsome, mysterious, unknown, uncounted, underestimated, etc. There are endless mysteries, endless new things to discover. He just appeals to me like any particular person appeals to anyone. He deserves defending.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Taren on April 17, 2007, 11:21:41 AM
Why do I love him? Because he was so kind, handsome, mysterious, unknown, uncounted, underestimated, etc. There are endless mysteries, endless new things to discover.

If so many things are mysterious and unknown about him, how do you know for a fact that he wasn't gay or had gay daliances at some point?
Judging by the content of your four posts in a row it seems like you're a bit offended by any suggestion that Eddy was anything but straight. If he was gay, would that really have been such a bad thing? There are some people out there who even enjoy the company of both sexes.

None of us were with him in person, let alone 100% of the time and it seems like the authors who wrote the books about him didn't have a huge amount of things to go on (I mean if they had there wouldn't be so many mysteries, right?). I don't know...to me it's sort of like defending and attacking things that can't really be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Tdora1 on April 17, 2007, 11:27:41 AM
Obviously BasilForever is a first-hand expert on British popular culture from the 70's and 80's. Right?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Tdora1 on April 17, 2007, 11:41:02 AM
www.spicycauldron.com/2007/3/11/fuss-over-gay-childrens-book-hides-real-issues/

for starters

Am cottaging the worldwide gaynet on your behalfs my darlings (and the first and last provincial 'well-i-watch-queer-eye' number to accuse me of homophobia there can take it up with my ex-girlfriend. She's never got over my marriage and would tell you everything at the drop of a brastrap).
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 17, 2007, 11:49:45 AM
Why do I love him? Because he was so kind, handsome, mysterious, unknown, uncounted, underestimated, etc. There are endless mysteries, endless new things to discover.

If so many things are mysterious and unknown about him, how do you know for a fact that he wasn't gay or had gay daliances at some point?
Judging by the content of your four posts in a row it seems like you're a bit offended by any suggestion that Eddy was anything but straight. If he was gay, would that really have been such a bad thing? There are some people out there who even enjoy the company of both sexes.

None of us were with him in person, let alone 100% of the time and it seems like the authors who wrote the books about him didn't have a huge amount of things to go on (I mean if they had there wouldn't be so many mysteries, right?). I don't know...to me it's sort of like defending and attacking things that can't really be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I would advise you if you don't mind to read the whole thread and see the other things I've written about Eddy, if you haven't or have forgotten. I've often said, that I wouldn't care if he was gay, but it just annoys me that he wasn't and yet it's so often stated. And when people do say it, they do it in a way that is very kind of critical, sly and mean.

I know he wasn't gay because of his straight crushes/liasions. I definitely DON'T know if he ever had any gay daliances. But there is NO proof or even anything pointing to it as there is for other royals who did.

As for the mysterious and unknown things about him - I was referring mainly to his alleged secret marriage and daughter and associated conspiracy theories (I won't go into that), read "The Ripper and the Royals", whether it's true or not, it's well argued and is a ripping good yarn, if you'll excuse the pun.

I'm sorry if I gave the impression I'm "anti-gay" in any way, I'm not at all! In fact I quite like reading about Queen Mary II and Queen Anne and their supposed lesbianism. But I am anti - "lies-said-about-Prince-Eddy".
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 17, 2007, 11:50:58 AM
Obviously BasilForever is a first-hand expert on British popular culture from the 70's and 80's. Right?

Uh no, never said I was. That doesn't prevent me from commenting on this issue.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 17, 2007, 11:59:09 AM
www.spicycauldron.com/2007/3/11/fuss-over-gay-childrens-book-hides-real-issues/

for starters

Am cottaging the worldwide gaynet on your behalfs my darlings (and the first and last provincial 'well-i-watch-queer-eye' number to accuse me of homophobia there can take it up with my ex-girlfriend. She's never got over my marriage and would tell you everything at the drop of a brastrap).

I couldn't find anything about Prince Eddy on that page. It said ''page not found'', and it is a gay blog? Naturally they are going to claim someone they are writing about as one of their own was indeed gay?, if they are a historical figure and a bit of rumour can be found?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Tdora1 on April 17, 2007, 12:54:15 PM
BasilForever:
I'm sorry if you had trouble getting there. Its a long thread name is it not. And they are a pain in the fongs are they not as well.
The spicycauldron appears to be a Harry Potter/kids literature site. Try going to www.spicycauldron.com then check the comments threads for date 11/02/2007.
Or search the 'home' there under fuss over gay childrens books
Other Googles may be worth checking include "Larry Grayson" and "Larry Graysons Generation Game" although the qote maybe under OOh/Oh shut that door!

Alas the Kenneth Williams and Joe Orton diaries both acknowledge the phrase but give no sources. Contemporary media is probably the best bet but Illustrated London News doesn't have much of a sourceable web presence. I'd give anything to see some facsmilies of their best royal issues.

Anyway the comparison re rumours between Shuttadore and Jack the Ripper does not stand even a cursory comparison. And just because he woo'd a certain society matron doesn't mean he wasn't paying attention elsewhere. After all, this is the prince who confided to a suitor that he is in love with her and with another too: "Isn't that extraordinary?" Such insight .
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 17, 2007, 01:40:10 PM
BasilForever:
I'm sorry if you had trouble getting there. Its a long thread name is it not. And they are a pain in the fongs are they not as well.
The spicycauldron appears to be a Harry Potter/kids literature site. Try going to www.spicycauldron.com then check the comments threads for date 11/02/2007.
Or search the 'home' there under fuss over gay childrens books
Other Googles may be worth checking include "Larry Grayson" and "Larry Graysons Generation Game" although the qote maybe under OOh/Oh shut that door!

Alas the Kenneth Williams and Joe Orton diaries both acknowledge the phrase but give no sources. Contemporary media is probably the best bet but Illustrated London News doesn't have much of a sourceable web presence. I'd give anything to see some facsmilies of their best royal issues.

Anyway the comparison re rumours between Shuttadore and Jack the Ripper does not stand even a cursory comparison. And just because he woo'd a certain society matron doesn't mean he wasn't paying attention elsewhere. After all, this is the prince who confided to a suitor that he is in love with her and with another too: "Isn't that extraordinary?" Such insight .

I'll look on the site, but I'm not going to count comments on a gay blog as evidence that Eddy went to a male brothel called ''shut the door''. I would find such things as a bona fide police investigations, lawyers buying back illicit letters, pregnancies, etc. to be sufficient evidence, as there is for Eddy's affair with Mrs. Haddon on his Indian tour.

He could have been slightly bisexual - but I doubt it. There isn't enough evidence. Him being as I said before - single, neat, fashionable, gentle, polite, unassuming, not gruff, thin, elegant, etc., isn't evidence for gayness.

I don't think the ILN would have reported on rumours (which I don't think existed at the time) that Eddy had visited a male brothel in India. I really don't think he would have.

There is loads of circumstantial evidence he was straight. Why did his brother George write of him and Eddy sharing a girl - if Eddy was straight. Why did Eddy confide to Fripp about his love affair (with a woman). These are all behind the scenes things, that show he was with women. They are not public displays.

The comparisons between Eddy being Jack the Ripper, and Eddy being some depraved highly promiscusous homosexual do stand a comparison - because they are both just made up, to sell books perhaps, or just because no one cared to find out what he was really like.

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After all, this is the prince who confided to a suitor that he is in love with her and with another too: "Isn't that extraordinary?" Such insight .

I myself have thought whenever I've read that excerpt from one of his letters to Lady Sybil, Gee Eddy did you really not think you could love two women at once?! But I think he wrote it to try to tell her that he just hadn't forgotten about Helene in an instant, but as he couldn't marry her, he wanted to find another woman to love. It was his way of trying to make a transition.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Greenowl on April 17, 2007, 02:17:22 PM

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Not all rumours are based on fact. Eddy being Jack the Ripper, surviving until he was into old age in Glamis Castle, was a rampant homosexual, etc. are some of them that have no connection to fact!!!!!!!!!

Not sure exactly why all the rumours spread up. Maybe because he died so young, and lived in an age when royals could sometimes walk down the street unrecognised, the press left them alone pretty much and only reported good things about their family life. He just seems rather mysterious as to what he was actually like. He has a rather fascinating face - the eyes are just kind of staring and seductive. He was so popular with his family, paticularly his mother.

Why do I love him? Because he was so kind, handsome, mysterious, unknown, uncounted, underestimated, etc. There are endless mysteries, endless new things to discover. He just appeals to me like any particular person appeals to anyone. He deserves defending.
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Thanks BasilForever! I'll have to read up more about him and get to know him better in order to form my own opinion, as he certaintly seems capable of arousing fierce passions. It would also be fascinating to delve into the grounds for the various rumours and who spread them and why. In what way was he kind?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Greenowl on April 17, 2007, 02:22:08 PM
Greenowl again! The damn "QUOTE" thingy is not working. I already had problems with it in the Habsburg thread/section, which Britt 25 kindly tried to rectify. Am I doing something wrong or is the problem caused by my computer? It is most frustrating, but I trust my previous message was legible.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 17, 2007, 03:36:45 PM
Greenowl again! The damn "QUOTE" thingy is not working. I already had problems with it in the Habsburg thread/section, which Britt 25 kindly tried to rectify. Am I doing something wrong or is the problem caused by my computer? It is most frustrating, but I trust my previous message was legible.

Yes, in your last message you wrote why was Eddy thought of as kind? Well basically that is how his family viewed him, and it is in many letters. I've never come across any anecdotes about him being boisterous, arrogant, unkind, or anything like that. He was well known for his gentle manner and being "amiable", and generous. If he liked someone he would give them a present, and be careful to maintain a friendship with them.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on April 17, 2007, 05:44:20 PM
I've removed several posts and their follow-ups.  Please everyone remember that if there are personal issues with other posters to take them to PMs. Dissent over points of fact (or rumor as what got some of this started) are fine and encouraged in a civil manner. There isn't a place for name-calling or insults. One also doesn't necessarily have to respond to an attack. If it's truly unjustified, the other members of the Forum will realize it. At some point, somethings need to be let go of. If this isn't possible, please bring up the issue through the PM system rather than drag the rest of the Forum into it. Thank you.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 18, 2007, 03:02:12 AM
I'm looking for a picture of Eddy and he's with his mother, his aunt Marie Feodorovna and her daughter Olga Alexandrovna and she's holding Eddy's hand. It's very adorable to see! Could someone please post it?

Hi Emma,

Here is the picture.

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p232/OnlyEddy/141844cc.jpg?t=1176883277)

I believe this is the one you want.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: aussiechick12 on April 18, 2007, 03:09:08 AM
 :) Thanks so much! It's so adorable - my favourite picture of Eddy.

Basilforever, do you know if Eddy ever met Nicholas or his brother George? In the picture you posted above, do you know where it was? Russia or England? Or possibly Denmark?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 18, 2007, 05:08:05 AM
That picture above was not in Russia, I am pretty sure. I think it was in Britain or Denmark, not sure exactly which.

Eddy and George definitely met Nicky. I don't know if they met Nicky's brother George - probably.

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p232/OnlyEddy/NikolajmitCousins.jpg?t=1176889010)

George of Wales, Nicky, Eddy.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: aussiechick12 on April 18, 2007, 05:15:01 AM
Wow! Thanks basil! I'm thinking that if Nicky and Olga (on two seperate occassions) Eddy would have met George, Xenia and Mikhail aswell. Especially seeing as they were trips abroad - they would have taken the whole family.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: coverstory on April 18, 2007, 12:00:04 PM
I came across this carte de visite (approx date 1878). I wonder if anyone could tell me if this is Prince Albert Victor. I understand that 'Eddy' started training in the Royal Navy as an officer cadet in 1877. On the back of the card the photographer has printed 'Patronised by TRH The Prince and Princess of Wales and Family'

(http://www.myfilestash.com/userfiles/coverstory/Scan0001.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 18, 2007, 12:03:34 PM
No, that's nothing like him! :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on April 18, 2007, 01:16:24 PM
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'Patronised by TRH The Prince and Princess of Wales and Family'

They probably paid for the photograph or possibly paid for the person to get into the navy (paid for training, transportation, e.t.c). 

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on April 18, 2007, 04:04:39 PM
This is often a problem on Ebay. A photographer who took photos of a member of the royal family (hence the 'patronised by') usually put it on the back of the photograph. A lot of sellers seem to think this means that the photo has to then be a member of the royal family and try to deduct who from the time frame. I've seen it with British, German, Russian royals amongst others. (And once got a very sharp slap-down from a seller, with a grievously mis-identified photo, I tried to explain the situation to.) It was a mark of prestige for a photographer to be able to put this, or a Royal Warrant, on his cards.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on April 18, 2007, 04:08:43 PM
:) Thanks so much! It's so adorable - my favourite picture of Eddy.

Basilforever, do you know if Eddy ever met Nicholas or his brother George? In the picture you posted above, do you know where it was? Russia or England? Or possibly Denmark?

Yes, they met both on occasions of royal holidays in Denmark. In one of Charlotte Zeepvat's books, there's a photo of a card playing game and George is sitting on the wall behind the players, of whom Eddy is one. I actually bought this postcard of the scene from a dealer before he discovered ebay and they started going for over $200 each.  :P It shows Louise of Wales (she often isn't ID'd but I have a photo of her in this distinctive hat and believe it's her), Tino, Nicholas, Greek George, Eddy and GD George on the wall.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/cardgamew.jpg)

Eddy, along with his brother George, was also an attendant at Sophie Prussia's wedding to their other cousin Constantine of Greece. Nicholas was there as an attendant but I don't think any other Russians were. Eddy lovers will be happy that the ILN chose to use the sketch were Eddy was taking his turn holding the golden crown over Sophie.  :)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/Picture2920sophietino3w.jpg)

The Wales boys didn't have as many opportunities as their sisters to accompany their mother to Denmark for her family reunions (where the Russian cousins often were) due to their training and time on board ship, but they were able to take several visits.

As regards to other cousins, I think Eddy was friendly with Tino--I believe they were roommates for awhile at the University in Heidelberg. Nicholas and GV were members of The Club--Nicholas II, George V, Greek Georgie and Greek Nicky. (2 Georges, 2 Nicholases).

Tino, Nicholas and Eddy in Denmark
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/Picture3781cousinsw.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: aussiechick12 on April 18, 2007, 07:23:40 PM
 :o Thank you so much gdella! They are amazing! I love the one where George is on the wall. Thank you, thank you!



What was Eddy's funeral like? Was it small and only attended by close family or was it huge with other royalty coming from overseas?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on April 18, 2007, 09:37:17 PM
There was first a service at Sandringham attended by the immediate family. This is the one that Alexandra wanted to be very private and got angry when Bertie's sisters showed up. The casket was then transported to Windsor where there would be a larger service at St George's Chapel. This was attended by the immediate family and the larger royal family. The body was received there by 10 princes related to Eddy--these included the Dukes of Edinburgh and Connaught; Prince Henry of Battenberg; Prince Christian of Schleswig-Holstein; Crown Prince Frederick of Denmark, representing the King of Denmark and Prince Albrecht of Wurttemberg, who would've been related to May through her father and who served as representative of the King of Wurttemberg. The coffin was escorted from the station to Windsor by these princes and detachments of soldiers. Most other royalties were represented by their various diplomats in the country. Prince Frederick Leopold of Prussia was sent by Kaiser Wilhelm. Prince Philip of Coburg represented the King of the Belgians. Grand Duke Alexis was the representative of Tsar Alexander III. The 10th Hussars, whom Prince Eddy was a member of, were prominent in the various escorts. Other royals included the Duke of Fife, Marquess of Lorne (Pss Louise was at the Osborne service with Queen Victoria), Prince Albert of Schleswig-Holstein, Duke of Oporto (representing the King of Portugal), Prince of Leiningen, Duke of Teck and his 3 sons, Prince Edward of Saxe-Weimar. Except for Alexis, all of the representatives were fairly close relations of the Prince--including Leiningen, Saxe-Weimar, Coburg and Oporto. Those who sent representatives (non-royal) included Princess Louise, Duchess of Albany, Empress Frederick, GD of Mecklenberg-Strelitz, GD of Hesse, Duke of Cambridge (sent his son Col. Fitzgeorge), Princess Frederick of Hannover, Duke of Cumberland and the Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 19, 2007, 04:38:51 AM
This is often a problem on Ebay. A photographer who took photos of a member of the royal family (hence the 'patronised by') usually put it on the back of the photograph. A lot of sellers seem to think this means that the photo has to then be a member of the royal family and try to deduct who from the time frame. I've seen it with British, German, Russian royals amongst others. (And once got a very sharp slap-down from a seller, with a grievously mis-identified photo, I tried to explain the situation to.) It was a mark of prestige for a photographer to be able to put this, or a Royal Warrant, on his cards.

Yes that's exactly right, I have noticed this myself. Often someone is said to be royal, simply because the photographer's studio was employed by the Royals at some point. What a pity the seller didn't listen to you and thank you for telling him! It seems that any company or business that had a Royal (particularly a senior one) buy something from them, would then publish this on all their advertising.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 19, 2007, 04:59:29 AM
:) Thanks so much! It's so adorable - my favourite picture of Eddy.

Basilforever, do you know if Eddy ever met Nicholas or his brother George? In the picture you posted above, do you know where it was? Russia or England? Or possibly Denmark?

Yes, they met both on occasions of royal holidays in Denmark. In one of Charlotte Zeepvat's books, there's a photo of a card playing game and George is sitting on the wall behind the players, of whom Eddy is one. I actually bought this postcard of the scene from a dealer before he discovered ebay and they started going for over $200 each.  :P It shows Louise of Wales (she often isn't ID'd but I have a photo of her in this distinctive hat and believe it's her), Tino, Nicholas, Greek George, Eddy and GD George on the wall.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/cardgamew.jpg)

Eddy, along with his brother George, was also an attendant at Sophie Prussia's wedding to their other cousin Constantine of Greece. Nicholas was there as an attendant but I don't think any other Russians were. Eddy lovers will be happy that the ILN chose to use the sketch were Eddy was taking his turn holding the golden crown over Sophie.  :)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/Picture2920sophietino3w.jpg)

The Wales boys didn't have as many opportunities as their sisters to accompany their mother to Denmark for her family reunions (where the Russian cousins often were) due to their training and time on board ship, but they were able to take several visits.

As regards to other cousins, I think Eddy was friendly with Tino--I believe they were roommates for awhile at the University in Heidelberg. Nicholas and GV were members of The Club--Nicholas II, George V, Greek Georgie and Greek Nicky. (2 Georges, 2 Nicholases).

Tino, Nicholas and Eddy in Denmark
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/Picture3781cousinsw.jpg)

Thank you grandduchessella for your efforts, I had a feeling you might post some rarer pictures.

There is a bigger version however of the cards picture in the first Prince Eddy thread, on the second last page of this Windsors section.

I love that cards picture, Eddy looks so handsome and sure of himself.  :) I have seen that picture from Sophie and Tino's wedding before, I am sure I saw in a book once a different drawing of Eddy holding the crown, and it was from front on, I can't remember which book it was though.
 I haven't seen that last one before, I don't think.  :o I would love to see a close up of Eddy's face in that photo, it looks like he actually has a bit of a different facial expression!  ;) I love seeing the cousins link arms like that, it's so cute.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: coverstory on April 19, 2007, 05:14:21 AM
Thank you everybody who replied to my posting of a picture of a CDV yesterday and query whether it was Prince Victor Albert. I thought that it was a reasonable possibiility it was him because of two main reasons. One was that to a non expert such as myself many of the facial features of the CDV resembled Eddie as a 13 year old eg shape of chin including dimple, thin lips, shape of eyes and general proportions ( although some are hidden under his naval cap). Clearly this photo does not have Eddie's sardonic smile which is a feature of many royals born to greatness!! The other reason was that this photographer had recently set up a studio near the extensive naval dockyards at Chatham and what better way to promote his business to potential clients than by publishing a CDV of a well known royal in naval uniform on an elaborate mount.
Anyway I look forward to continuing to read your 'tongue in cheek' comments about our Eddie! ;)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 19, 2007, 05:27:30 AM
There was first a service at Sandringham attended by the immediate family. This is the one that Alexandra wanted to be very private and got angry when Bertie's sisters showed up. The casket was then transported to Windsor where there would be a larger service at St George's Chapel. This was attended by the immediate family and the larger royal family. The body was received there by 10 princes related to Eddy--these included the Dukes of Edinburgh and Connaught; Prince Henry of Battenberg; Prince Christian of Schleswig-Holstein; Crown Prince Frederick of Denmark, representing the King of Denmark and Prince Albrecht of Wurttemberg, who would've been related to May through her father and who served as representative of the King of Wurttemberg. The coffin was escorted from the station to Windsor by these princes and detachments of soldiers. Most other royalties were represented by their various diplomats in the country. Prince Frederick Leopold of Prussia was sent by Kaiser Wilhelm. Prince Philip of Coburg represented the King of the Belgians. Grand Duke Alexis was the representative of Tsar Alexander III. The 10th Hussars, whom Prince Eddy was a member of, were prominent in the various escorts. Other royals included the Duke of Fife, Marquess of Lorne (Pss Louise was at the Osborne service with Queen Victoria), Prince Albert of Schleswig-Holstein, Duke of Oporto (representing the King of Portugal), Prince of Leiningen, Duke of Teck and his 3 sons, Prince Edward of Saxe-Weimar. Except for Alexis, all of the representatives were fairly close relations of the Prince--including Leiningen, Saxe-Weimar, Coburg and Oporto. Those who sent representatives (non-royal) included Princess Louise, Duchess of Albany, Empress Frederick, GD of Mecklenberg-Strelitz, GD of Hesse, Duke of Cambridge (sent his son Col. Fitzgeorge), Princess Frederick of Hannover, Duke of Cumberland and the Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

Well coverstory, I would have liked to have seen this picture, I would tell you if it looked anything like him. Nearly all of our comments are not tongue in cheek about our dear Eddy! And he is Prince Albert Victor, not Victor Albert. Usually he was called Prince Eddy, always with a y, not ie.  :)

Why was Louise Fife at Osborne during Eddy's funeral? Wouldn't she have wanted to be with her mother, supporting her at this very trying time? I suppose that Alix was mainly leaning on Bertie for support, and their eldest son's death is said to have brought them closer together, and given some renewed strength to their partnership. This was just after Alix had gone on a long holiday, and not thought it necessary to return for Bertie's birthday party, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: aussiechick12 on April 19, 2007, 05:47:42 AM
Thanks for the info!  :)

Are there any photo's of the funeral?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 19, 2007, 06:29:52 AM
Thank you everybody who replied to my posting of a picture of a CDV yesterday and query whether it was Prince Victor Albert. I thought that it was a reasonable possibiility it was him because of two main reasons. One was that to a non expert such as myself many of the facial features of the CDV resembled Eddie as a 13 year old eg shape of chin including dimple, thin lips, shape of eyes and general proportions ( although some are hidden under his naval cap). Clearly this photo does not have Eddie's sardonic smile which is a feature of many royals born to greatness!! The other reason was that this photographer had recently set up a studio near the extensive naval dockyards at Chatham and what better way to promote his business to potential clients than by publishing a CDV of a well known royal in naval uniform on an elaborate mount.
Anyway I look forward to continuing to read your 'tongue in cheek' comments about our Eddie! ;)

I think neither the person in the CDV nor Eddy had particularly thin lips.  ???  As for the sardonic smile - where, where?!?!  :D
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 19, 2007, 07:10:16 AM
Thanks for the info!  :)

Are there any photo's of the funeral?

Here's an engraving of the funeral service.  No women were to attend (except mother and sisters, of course) but three of Eddy's aunts, Louise, Helena and Beatrice went anyway, which Bertie was not happy about. 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Eddy457-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: aussiechick12 on April 19, 2007, 07:13:50 AM
Wow! Thanks Grace. It actually looks like quite a few people showed up!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on April 19, 2007, 07:17:19 AM
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Why was Louise Fife at Osborne during Eddy's funeral? Wouldn't she have wanted to be with her mother, supporting her at this very trying time?

I think GDE was referring to Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on April 19, 2007, 07:34:57 AM
I was. I almost put Argyll but I thought it would be obvious that Louise Fife would be at the funeral. You know the old saying about making assumptions.... ::)

I don't think there were photos but there are several sketches of different parts of the services at Sandringham and Windsor.

Isn't the posted sketched from the service at Windsor (St George's chapel)? The Sandringham church is much smaller. It was at that venue that Alexandra didn't want any of the aunts to attend.

Sketches of the Sandringham service:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/image005Eddyw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/image001Eddyw.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 19, 2007, 07:37:41 AM
Isn't the posted sketched from the service at Windsor (St George's chapel)? The Sandringham church is much smaller. It was at that venue that Alexandra didn't want any of the aunts to attend.

Yes, quite right too.  My mistake.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 19, 2007, 08:14:10 AM
Thank you everybody who replied to my posting of a picture of a CDV yesterday and query whether it was Prince Victor Albert. I thought that it was a reasonable possibiility it was him because of two main reasons. One was that to a non expert such as myself many of the facial features of the CDV resembled Eddie as a 13 year old eg shape of chin including dimple, thin lips, shape of eyes and general proportions ( although some are hidden under his naval cap). Clearly this photo does not have Eddie's sardonic smile which is a feature of many royals born to greatness!! The other reason was that this photographer had recently set up a studio near the extensive naval dockyards at Chatham and what better way to promote his business to potential clients than by publishing a CDV of a well known royal in naval uniform on an elaborate mount.
Anyway I look forward to continuing to read your 'tongue in cheek' comments about our Eddie! ;)

I think neither the person in the CDV nor Eddy had particularly thin lips.  ???  As for the sardonic smile - where, where?!?!  :D

Yes, I wish I could see him smile!  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 19, 2007, 08:17:31 AM
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Why was Louise Fife at Osborne during Eddy's funeral? Wouldn't she have wanted to be with her mother, supporting her at this very trying time?

I think GDE was referring to Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll

-Duke of NJ

Oh right, I thought it must not be Louise Fife. But it was mentioned near Duke of Fife, so I made a mistake!  :-[
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 19, 2007, 08:34:17 AM
Here is a drawing of the Funeral - the Prince's coffin being carried from the station I presume. It was very cold and snowing, clearly.

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p232/OnlyEddy/More%20Eddy%20Pictures/IMG_1582.jpg)

I guess they (the men carrying the coffin) are some of Eddy's fellow 10th Hussars.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 19, 2007, 12:03:07 PM
Wow! Thanks Grace. It actually looks like quite a few people showed up!

Of course they did! It was the death of the future King  :'( ... like if Prince William died in four years time. Although I suppose it was different for Eddy as he was closely related to all the other Royals pretty much, and Wills is not.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: aussiechick12 on April 19, 2007, 07:14:33 PM
It's very sad  :'(

Thanks to everyone for your information and pictures!
Does anyone know why mostly men came to the funeral, I know they let some women in, but not his aunts? Is keeping out the women helping them keep the funeral small?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on April 19, 2007, 09:29:02 PM
There were women there but they didn't form part of the processional so they usually weren't listed in some of the newspaper coverage. Females present included Alexandra, May, Mary Adelaide the Duchess of Teck, Louise Fife, Maud and Toria. Princess Beatrice was present as well as the Duchess of Connaught.  Queen Victoria attended the Osborne service along with Louise Argyll and possibly the Duchess of Albany.

There was a service in Berlin attended by Wilhelm, Dona, Vicky, Mossy and Marie Louise (then married to Prince Aribert of Anhalt and spending much time in Berlin) and other Prussian royals not directly related to Eddy. It was commented on that, while there was Court mourning, the flag over Wilhelm's palace was at full-mast while over Vicky's residence it was at half-mast.

At Copenhagen, a service at St Alban's (the English Church visited by the British royals when visiting) was attended by Christian IX, Princes John & William of Glucksburg (King Christian's brothers), and Prince Waldemar.

In Athens, a service was attended by George I, Queen Olga, Tino, George, Nicholas and Marie.

In St Petersburg, a service was attended by AIII & Marie, Nicholas and those Grand Dukes and Duchesses present in town at the time. Ella attended a service in Moscow.

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on April 19, 2007, 09:39:11 PM
Some more descriptions of the funeral at St George's:

The Prince of Wales wore the uniform of Eddy's regiment (I'm presuming the 10th Hussars)
Prince George walked in the processional despite being weak and the fact that he 'visibly bore' the effects of his recent illness; he wore naval uniform
Prince Christian wore a dark blue shade of his left eye--this must have been near the time he had the eye shot out (accidentally) by Prince Arthur
The Dukes of Edinburgh and Connaught wore naval and army uniforms respectively
The Prince of Wales, as chief mourner, knelt at the coffin during the recitation of the Lord's Prayer
There were concurrent services at Westminster Abbey, St Paul's , the Chapel Royal at St James (where most of the diplomatic corp paid their respects) and other venues
The possibility of a procession through London was put off because influenza was raging throughout the country (and a good part of Europe) and this, combined with the bitterly cold weather, was felt to put the soldiers who would line the streets for hours at too great a health risk.
Like the funeral of Prince Leopold at St George's, the was no black drapery. There was some dark grey coverings but nothing excessive.
Queen Victoria attended at Osborne because she was dissuaded from coming up to Windsor because of the weather and her age.
There was an absence of hymns during the service at St George's by the express wish of the Prince & Princess of Waels who didn't want the service to be unduly long.
It was originally stated that George was too weak to take part in the funeral but except for riding in a carriage during the moving of the body from Sandringham to the train, he attended all the services on foot.
The Princesses were seated in the Queen's Private Pew which shielded them from the view of most there.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 20, 2007, 10:26:07 AM
Thank you for providing all of those details GDE. It just makes me so sad and moves me so much reading about his parents and the rest of his family mourning him, I feel almost like crying myself.  :'(
It is so good that there were services and memorials all over Europe and Britain for poor Eddy.

I think maybe the fact that George ''visibly bore'' the strain, might have been not only because of his recent illness and his grief, but of course also the heavy burden that had so shockingly suddenly fallen on him, which he had never expected, to be the future King.
Because although many people apparently felt George was better suited to be King, George apparently did not feel this, and was quite upset about it, he didn't think he was prepared to be King at all at that time immediately following his elder brother's death.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on April 26, 2007, 05:44:40 PM
I just about fell off my chair a minute ago. There was an ad for a furniture company in North Carolina estolling the virtures of the Regency era stylings--apparently they're having a sale in that style of furniture. I'm half-watching it because I'm reading the online gossip pages but I turned my head in time to catch a photo of Eddy as they talk about power residing with the Prince of Wales in Carlton House.  :o Of course, they mean to show a photo of the future King George IV but instead show a photo not even of the later Prince of Wales (Edward VII) but his son! It being a photograph, it might have clued them into it not being from the Regency period. I burst out laughing and had to rewind it (thank you TiVo) to catch it again. I tell my husband and Bob's like 'well you and about 12 other people would know that it wasn't who they said it was'.  :D Then when I told him I e-mailed them about it, he (lovingly  ;)) called me a dork.

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Vecchiolarry on April 26, 2007, 06:03:22 PM
Hi Ella,

No, you're not a dork - Heaven forbid that an educated woman would be denigrated.....

The tragedy is that people never question what they read or see on TV.  They take it as gospel and 'in stone'...  Facts!!!
Once something has been written in a book or a newspaper, people automatically take it as fact.  I once saw a newspaper story on Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee in 1097.  It is to laugh, I guess....

Don't buy any Regency furniture from Prince Eddy!!!!

Larry
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 27, 2007, 01:56:06 AM
That is so funny, it made me smile just reading about it. But yes, hardly anyone would know who it was. I would have emailed them too.  ;D What photo of Prince Eddy did they show?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on April 27, 2007, 09:01:09 AM
I don't want to leave the impression Bob would denigrate me--he was just teasing me. He actually likes a wife with some brains--he even says I'm way smarter than him.  :) I totally kick his rear in Jeopardy or Trivial Pursuit.  ;)

The photo was one this sketch was based on:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/britain/eddyilnw.jpg)

It was so funny because this was one of the first Eddy images I got--it was a double-page spread from the ILN--so to see it pop up was so strange.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Rudolf_II on April 27, 2007, 10:02:44 AM
I just about fell off my chair a minute ago. There was an ad for a furniture company in North Carolina estolling the virtures of the Regency era stylings--apparently they're having a sale in that style of furniture. I'm half-watching it because I'm reading the online gossip pages but I turned my head in time to catch a photo of Eddy as they talk about power residing with the Prince of Wales in Carlton House.  :o Of course, they mean to show a photo of the future King George IV but instead show a photo not even of the later Prince of Wales (Edward VII) but his son! It being a photograph, it might have clued them into it not being from the Regency period. I burst out laughing and had to rewind it (thank you TiVo) to catch it again. I tell my husband and Bob's like 'well you and about 12 other people would know that it wasn't who they said it was'.  :D Then when I told him I e-mailed them about it, he (lovingly  ;)) called me a dork.

A few weeks ago I was watching a documentary about Jack the Ripper.  Inevitably it mentioned the 'Eddy theory'.  To illustrate this they showed a picture of Prince Albert.  His grandfather.  Who died 26 years before the Whitechapel murders.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on April 27, 2007, 11:00:17 AM
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A few weeks ago I was watching a documentary about Jack the Ripper.  Inevitably it mentioned the 'Eddy theory'.  To illustrate this they showed a picture of Prince Albert.  His grandfather.  Who died 26 years before the Whitechapel murders.

That's hilariously ridiculous, it made me laugh out loud actually.  ;D

Grandduchessella, I can not think of the photo that looks like that sketch. Do you have the photo to illustrate?  ???

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on May 01, 2007, 01:53:04 PM
 ;D
I found a video about Prince Eddy on youtube. It contains some absurd allegations, unfortunately not uncommon.

It features the Historical Figure model of Eddy that is in my avatar currently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOF2yGQIRpU

Note to people who don't know about Eddy - many things said in this video are not right, except for ''he looked wonderful in his uniform'' and the compliments about his friendly, etc. personality and his handsome looks.

Excerpt from the historical monologue "400 Years of English History" presented by artist/historian George S. Stuart as part of an exhibit of his Historical Figures at the Ventura County Museum of Art and History in Ventura California. Visit the Gallery of Historical Figures online at http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Taren on May 01, 2007, 02:08:17 PM
His niece? Where did that man get that information? It's fairly obvious he was just saying things to get laughs or gasps. Geez...I think he got the Waleses mixed up with the Hapsburgs.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on May 01, 2007, 02:17:14 PM
Yes. He obviously was confident he was speaking to people with no knowledge of the historical figure discussed, so he thought he may as well say whatever he wanted.  >:( ::)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Taren on May 01, 2007, 02:21:08 PM
Right. I'm watching some of his other videos and they're interesting. Maybe we should all comment him and let him know what's right and what's wrong. For instance, not everyone from that period was named Albert. They might have Albert in there somewhere, but not always as a first name. And those that were named Albert, they didn't always go by their second name like he says. I mean he spent enough time talking about Eddy that he should know that.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on May 01, 2007, 02:38:58 PM
Here's the link to his speech about Alix,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_bTqplwB6M

It's just infuriating how wrong he is, it's almost funny. Except he acts like he is right, but I think he must know he's wrong.

He says Alix gave birth to Eddy in a farmer's house on a kitchen table with the farmer's wife as midwife! He acts like Alix had some grand affair with Oliver Montague! Oh God........ ::) It's almost all WRONG in the extreme....

Here's a link to the rest of his speeches,........ about British Historical Figures :-X

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=George+S.+Stuart+as+part+of+an+exhibit+of+his+Historical+&search=Search
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 01, 2007, 05:28:29 PM
Where did he get that information??  He just makes himself look foolish. 

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on May 01, 2007, 05:33:52 PM
He must have made it up - look at his other videos - they are full of make believe stuff, which he is lecturing to people inside a museum about!  :o
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 02, 2007, 03:50:21 AM
"Artist/historian" George S. Stuart is about as knowledgeable on royalty as my ten year old son is.  Total rubbish.  The character denigration of the Duke of Clarence continues unabated. 

It's even quite prevalent in the work of well known royal authors such as John Van Der Kiste who states, "he was as listless and vacant in conversation as with the written word".  Quite a few of Eddy's handwritten letters still exist which plainly demonstrate to the reader that he was as fluently conversational as a letter writer as any other royal of the period.  Van Der Kiste's contemporaries inevitably use the Pope-Hennessy quote when introducing Eddy, "'dear', 'good' and 'kind' were the adjectives most usually employed in reference to Prince Eddy by his relations.  Anything superlative would have been, to say the least of it, exaggerated" etc. etc. etc.  So very unoriginal. 

I really don't care either way whether people like Eddy or not but I detest the deliberate spread of untruths like those by that dopey old quack on youtube and the plethora of "historians" and writers who show clearly that they're too lazy to lift a finger to do a bit of accurate research for themselves but simply perpetuate longstanding falsehoods.  ::)   

There now... ;)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on May 02, 2007, 07:33:11 AM
Yes Grace, naturally I agree. Look at his speech on Disraeli, picked at random, he says QV published her journals, titled ''Leaves from my journal'' and it was on the bestseller list. Just totally invented garbage. It is kind of funny, but then it is deeply disturbing, how some ''so-called'' historians just make up things and people just believe it, because they have never learnt about any of it themselves. Terrible.

Whenever I read any book on royalty, or on particular royal figures, and Eddy is mentioned in those familiar, boring phrases, that have no accurate basis, no truth to them, it always makes me so sad that so many authors don't go out and look at the primary sources, don't try to do some original research, but just copy out nearly verbatim the stereotype that is not true, that can be found in so many books.  :( It makes me think it would not be very hard to write a book at all. That is why I was so pleased with Andrew Cook's bio of Eddy, at least it was original and not unfairly biased against The Duke. And it had excellent research, and even found some new actual primary sources.

George S. Stuart must be the worst ''historian'' I have ever come across.  >:( I liked his statue/figure thing he made of Eddy, it was suitably handsome, but now I have changed my avatar because I am so disgusted at his ridiculous falsehoods he has been spreading. >:( >:(

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on May 02, 2007, 07:46:42 AM
Yes Grace, naturally I agree. Look at his speech on Disraeli, picked at random, he says QV published her journals, titled ''Leaves from my journal'' and it was on the bestseller list. Just totally invented garbage.

QV did published her journals--2 sets--Leaves from the Journal of Our Life in the Highlands and More Leaves (1884). She was quite proud of them and how popular they were.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: basilforever on May 02, 2007, 07:53:04 AM
Yes Grace, naturally I agree. Look at his speech on Disraeli, picked at random, he says QV published her journals, titled ''Leaves from my journal'' and it was on the bestseller list. Just totally invented garbage.

QV did published her journals--2 sets--Leaves from the Journal of Our Life in the Highlands and More Leaves (1884). She was quite proud of them and how popular they were.

 :-[ Whoops. Well you get my point, he makes up lots of lies in his speeches. I thought all of QV's journals were published after her death, after being edited by Princess Beatrice. I used that as an example because that's the last one I heard. But I'm sure you'll agree GDE, that his speeches are VERY inaccurate in general.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: alixaannencova on September 19, 2007, 03:39:04 AM
Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but I would like to clarify the true issues that arose from the proposal of Eddie marrying Hélène d'Orleans.

From what I have read, QV was in favour of the match, but this must have been on condition that Hélène converted to the Protestant faith, otherwise Eddy would have had to renounce his rights to the throne. Am I right to assume that it was Hélène's father, who put his foot down and forbade the idea? If this be the case it is Evident that Hélène's her loyalty to her family and depth of faith were far stronger than her love for Eddy!

Furthermore, had Eddy renounced his rights and gone ahead and married a 'Catholic' Hélène, would the pair have required papal dispensation for a mixed faith marriage? 
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on September 19, 2007, 05:31:26 AM
Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but I would like to clarify the true issues that arose from the proposal of Eddie marrying Hélène d'Orleans.

From what I have read, QV was in favour of the match, but this must have been on condition that Hélène converted to the Protestant faith, otherwise Eddy would have had to renounce his rights to the throne. Am I right to assume that it was Hélène's father, who put his foot down and forbade the idea? If this be the case it is Evident that Hélène's her loyalty to her family and depth of faith were far stronger than her love for Eddy!

Furthermore, had Eddy renounced his rights and gone ahead and married a 'Catholic' Hélène, would the pair have required papal dispensation for a mixed faith marriage? 

Regardless of the faith issue, at 19 at the time of the Eddy 'engagement', Helene could not marry anyone without her father's permission.  As we know, she was forbidden by him to renounce her Catholic faith and become Protestant. 

I wouldn't know about the papal dispensation question - maybe one of the Catholic posters here might be able to answer this one?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on September 19, 2007, 05:50:17 AM
...anyway, good to see the coolest thread on this site being bumped up after a few months...must look up a picture or two if I have time...
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: alixaannencova on September 19, 2007, 10:50:01 AM
I agree Grace....Isn't it nice to bump a thread back up now and again! I confess, I rather miss not having something on the 'oldies' sometimes! So presumably Hélène put 'duty' before personal feelings!! How sad!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: dolgoruky18 on September 19, 2007, 12:03:21 PM
Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence and Avondale was under some pressure by his parents to find a bride. Marriage, they hoped, would "settle" him. He was subsequently turned down by his cousin Marie of Coburg and (much to Queen Victoria's disgust) by Alix of Hesse-Darmstadt. He then fell in love with Princess Helene of Orleans and they both asked for Queen Victoria's blessing. This she gave them  -  only to find the match opposed by the Comte de Paris, Helene's father, the current Pretender to the French throne. The Pope. too. proved obdurate on the grounds of religion when he was consulted. Therefore the couple's engagement had to be abandoned. Clarence then became engaged to Princess Mary of Teck, only to die of influenza in 1892. He died crying out Helene's name. Priness Mary subsequently married Clarence's younger brother, the future King George V.

If Clarence had married Helene without her becoming a member of the Church of England, it would have brought into effect the provisions of the Act of Settlement. This Act vested the Crown in the Electress Sophia of Hanover and her Protestant descendants. At the time the Act was passed, there were many closer claimants to the throne than Electress Sophia  -  but they were all Roman Catholics. The Act specifically debarred any Catholic from succeeding to the throne or retaining their rights if they married a Catholic. This had the unfortunate result of limiting the marriage possibilities of the British Royal Family to the vast reserve of Protestant German princesses. This did not really matter to the public until the First World War when George V and his family came under fire for ther German origins. The immediate result was the creation of the House of Windsor in 1917  -  much to the amusement of the Kaiser who commanded a spoof version of Shakespeare's play at his Court Theatre entitled "The Merry Wives of Saxe-Coburg."

The Act of Settlement remains very much in force to this day and as recently as Mrs. Thatcher's premiership attempts by Roman Catholic MPs to have it repealed or modified were rejected by the government. It would cause too many legal problems and take up too much parliamentary time.

The situation today remains a little confused. It was said that one of the weapons that Diana, Princess of Wales considered using against her husband was to convert to Rome. The present Duchess of Kent has converted, but her husband is still apparently in the succession. His children have converted almost 'en masse' and have renounced their rights of succession. Prince Michael of Kent renouned the throne on his marriage to a Catholic, but his children, being Anglicans, retain their rights.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on September 19, 2007, 10:05:09 PM
Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence and Avondale was under some pressure by his parents to find a bride. Marriage, they hoped, would "settle" him. He was subsequently turned down by his cousin Marie of Coburg... 

George was the one interested in 'Missy', not Eddy...
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: NoirFemme on September 27, 2007, 11:46:36 AM
This thread really humanizes Eddy. In all of the books in the Edwardian period or Edward VII's life, Eddy is never painted as a "real" person--he's just an heir to the throne who died and then George V inherited in 1910. But looking at these pictures and reading the posts makes me see him as an actual living, breathing person whose life was cut tragically short.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on January 08, 2008, 03:56:08 AM
Today's anniversary has not gone unnoticed!!!

January 8, 1864

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/zzzbirthdaycake.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: ThePrincessPerfect on January 08, 2008, 05:08:32 AM
Not by me either. Happy birthday Prince Eddy.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2344/2146804434_6811c64c7c_o.jpg)

Really big picture of Eddy and George.
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2146804434&size=o
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: dmitri on January 08, 2008, 06:45:29 AM
His tomb in the Albert Memorial Chapel, directly behind St. George's Chapel at Windsor Castle is well worth seeing.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: ThePrincessPerfect on January 14, 2008, 06:53:37 AM
I remember this sad anniversary as well. RIP Prince Eddy.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Albert_Duke_of_Clarence_Arms.svg/545px-Albert_Duke_of_Clarence_Arms.svg.png)

Prince Albert Victor's coat of arms
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on February 24, 2008, 11:46:52 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/princevictorcdv1ps4.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/m95a.jpg)

Fore all the ‘Eddy’ fans, and that means you to Grace. (haha you’re the only ‘Eddy’ fan I know by name)

Wishing you all the best from the Netherlands,

RN
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on February 24, 2008, 01:16:50 PM
That top one was won by some lucky bidder on ebay recently.   It's part of a sitting taken with his parents.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 24, 2008, 02:04:47 PM
No doubt taken when his parents where visiting Osbourne perhaps! My auntie lives in Ryde.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on February 25, 2008, 01:28:15 AM
Fore all the ‘Eddy’ fans, and that means you to Grace. (haha you’re the only ‘Eddy’ fan I know by name)

Wishing you all the best from the Netherlands,

RN

Thanks for posting them, RN, and great to hear from you!  Yes, wasn't he a cutie?  Not bad as a little tacker either!!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 22, 2008, 08:33:58 AM
On the weekend I found a lovely little cache of photos I haven't seen before taken during Eddy and George's 1881 visit to Australia.  Here's one for starters.  Enjoy!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Eddy515.jpg)

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 22, 2008, 09:50:57 AM
Great Photos !

Duke of Clarence
(http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3262/aneweddyei5.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on April 22, 2008, 06:46:06 PM
I had posted this in the Louise thread but in case the Eddyphiles don't go there I wouldn't want them to miss it.  :)

By Bauerle, Eddy, Louise & George

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/402241.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Luc on December 05, 2008, 08:22:43 AM
Queen Victoria's message to the nation after Prince Edddy's death:

OSBORNE, January 26th, 1892.

I must once again give expression to my deep sense of the loyalty and affectionate sympathy evinced by my subjects in every part of my Empire on an occasion more sad and tragical than any but one which has befallen me and mine, as well as the Nation. The overwhelming misfortune of my dearly loved Grandson having been thus suddenly cut off in the flower of his age, full of promise for the future, amiable and gentle, and endearing himself to all, renders it hard for his sorely stricken Parents, his dear young Bride, and his fond Grandmother to bow in submission to the inscrutable decrees of Providence.

The sympathy of millions, which has been so touchingly and visibly expressed, is deeply gratifying at such a time, and I wish, both in my own name and that of my children, from my heart, my warm gratitude to all.

These testimonies of sympathy with us, and appreciation of my dear Grandson, whom I lived as a Son, and whose devotion to me was as great as that of a Son, will be a help and consolation to me and mine in our affliction.

My bereavements during the last thirty years of my reign have indeed been heavy. Though the labours, anxieties, and responsibilities inseparable from my position have been great, yet it is my earnest prayer that God may continue to give me health and strength to work for the good and happiness of my dear Country and Empire while life lasts.


VICTORIA, R.I.

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on December 05, 2008, 03:41:08 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Eddy516.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on January 19, 2009, 11:08:12 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Eddy2901.jpg)

Prince Albert Victor and with two of his other siblings: Prince Albert Victor (Eddy), Princess Louise (Louise Fife) and Prince George (Georgie).

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/31086.jpg)

H.R.H. Prince Albert Victor in Scottish outfit, Abergeldie, Sept 1886.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on January 19, 2009, 02:18:19 PM
Marvellous RN, especially number two.  I've seen a couple taken on that day with Motherdear but not this particular one. 

It's always intrigued me how photographers from that era seemed to be able to get animals to sit and pose so well for the camera?  Certainly doesn't seem to work with MY pets.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: RoyalWatcher on January 19, 2009, 08:36:42 PM
Here's an interesting question. Did he wear a corset? In some of the photos posted, he looks extremely thin especially about the waist. I realize that 100+ years ago people were much thinner than today, but he just looks very slim. Just wondering...
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: rosieposie on January 19, 2009, 10:26:49 PM
The devoted brothers, ages 21 and 18, at Beatrice's wedding in 1885

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/33560711.jpg)

George looks like a young Nicholas when Nicholas started to grow his moustache :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on January 20, 2009, 01:28:55 AM
Here's an interesting question. Did he wear a corset? In some of the photos posted, he looks extremely thin especially about the waist. I realize that 100+ years ago people were much thinner than today, but he just looks very slim. Just wondering...

This article is from The Hidden Consumer by Christopher Breward.

A journal correspondent writing in June 1889 said:

"On the first occasion of our seeing the prince, he was attired in a tight fitting frock coat, and as soon as my wife saw him she whispered to me 'doesn't he look as if he had stays on'?  I laughed at the idea of such a thing, but on the next occasion we saw him, which was the military parade, and he had on the uniform of the 10th Hussars, the fact of his having a corset on was too apparent for anyone to doubt.  I can assure you, that whoever had the office of lacing the prince's stays, must have required no small muscle to pull him into the pitch he was tightened..."

The article goes on to say that 'waist supports' were freely advertised for men at the time but also debates whether the prince's 'tall, slim frame' would even require the assistance of a corset but does seem to indicate that certain aristocrats may have used them.

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: RoyalWatcher on January 20, 2009, 10:27:22 AM
Thank you for your reply, Grace. The article snippet is very interesting indeed.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on January 20, 2009, 03:27:38 PM
You're welcome, RoyalWatcher.

I found this dear little hand-coloured CDV of Eddy smiling away on the National Portrait Gallery site - it's just lovely:

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait.php?LinkID=mp50173&page=1&role=sit&rNo=16 (http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait.php?LinkID=mp50173&page=1&role=sit&rNo=16)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on January 20, 2009, 06:14:04 PM
Marvellous RN, especially number two.  I've seen a couple taken on that day with Motherdear but not this particular one. 

It's always intrigued me how photographers from that era seemed to be able to get animals to sit and pose so well for the camera?  Certainly doesn't seem to work with MY pets.

You're very welcomme offcourse Grace, glad you liked it!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 18, 2009, 08:14:32 AM

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/mostlyroyalty/DecadeofDianaEddy.jpg)


Was Jack the ripper a Royal?...has been suggested that Jack the ripper could be in reality Prince Albert Victor...personally I don't believe in this story.
I hope someone can help me to strengthen my belief that Eddy was NOT Jack the ripper.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on February 18, 2009, 11:11:06 AM
If you do a search you will find several discussions on this topic throughout the forum, mostly in older AV threads.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 18, 2009, 11:24:55 AM
Yes, I have seen the older threads and I have found the informations that I was looking for.
However thank you very much for the answer!  :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on February 20, 2009, 09:12:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jM7KGkt_d4&feature=related

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on May 23, 2009, 10:17:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jM7KGkt_d4&feature=related



Very beautiful documentary!, I finally watched all the 5 parts.
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(http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/30774/2801857370101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2801857370101857556rhtbdL)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 23, 2009, 11:46:26 AM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/309u0ds.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 23, 2009, 04:06:37 PM
A nice one with George, taken on the world trip.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Eddy517.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Ena on May 25, 2009, 08:40:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jM7KGkt_d4&feature=related


Thanks! I really enjoyed this documentary. That YouTube poster has a treasure trove of royal videos!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on May 25, 2009, 02:00:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jM7KGkt_d4&feature=related


Thanks! I really enjoyed this documentary. That YouTube poster has a treasure trove of royal videos!

Didn't most of them that he has originally air on TV in Great Britain?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: wildone on May 25, 2009, 04:47:40 PM
Watched the documentary.  While Eddy might not have been depraved or a simpleton, it felt as though Andrew Cook and the documentary makers were trying a little too hard to make him seem like a potentially brilliant monarch.  They criticized Eddy's tutors for libeling him as a poor scholar, then glossed over another tutor's account of him at Cambridge that said the same thing.  (They also kept saying that Eddy was the first royal to attend university, when Bertie had attended both Oxford and Cambridge.)  Their claims that Eddy was involved in the question of Irish home rule are interesting, but merit more investigation.  They kept deriding George as stiff and cold and distant, saying that Eddy would have been more in tune with the public -- but wasn't George responding to the public's hatred of the Germans when he changed the family name to Windsor? 
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 26, 2009, 03:40:37 PM
I agree with wildone's assessment of the documentary, generally speaking!  It certainly helped in the reassessment of Eddy's character in the eyes of many, but did have some elements, both in content and production-wise, which could have been much better.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on May 26, 2009, 10:16:07 PM
Watched the documentary.  While Eddy might not have been depraved or a simpleton, it felt as though Andrew Cook and the documentary makers were trying a little too hard to make him seem like a potentially brilliant monarch.  They criticized Eddy's tutors for libeling him as a poor scholar, then glossed over another tutor's account of him at Cambridge that said the same thing.  (They also kept saying that Eddy was the first royal to attend university, when Bertie had attended both Oxford and Cambridge.)  Their claims that Eddy was involved in the question of Irish home rule are interesting, but merit more investigation.  They kept deriding George as stiff and cold and distant, saying that Eddy would have been more in tune with the public -- but wasn't George responding to the public's hatred of the Germans when he changed the family name to Windsor? 

I dont think Eddy would have been any different as a monarch than George. By that point it was fully a 'figure head' role anyways. Right? George does seem to have been more "Kingly" than I think Eddy would have seemed to the public though.

I have often wondered to what extent George ever considered being King before Eddy's death. I mean, how close did he really feal to the position or prepare for it before 1892?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: wildone on May 26, 2009, 11:00:58 PM
I agree with wildone's assessment of the documentary, generally speaking!  It certainly helped in the reassessment of Eddy's character in the eyes of many, but did have some elements, both in content and production-wise, which could have been much better.

One thing that stuck out for me was when they said that Alix rejected Eddy because she had fallen in love with Nicholas.  The narrator said something like, "When she agreed to marry him, she sealed both of [her and Eddy's] fates."  Eddy was dead by 1894!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on May 27, 2009, 05:30:07 AM
You are right, that sentence is indeed wrong...
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 27, 2009, 06:11:27 AM
One thing that stuck out for me was when they said that Alix rejected Eddy because she had fallen in love with Nicholas.  The narrator said something like, "When she agreed to marry him, she sealed both of [her and Eddy's] fates."  Eddy was dead by 1894!

Perhaps it meant that Alicky only rejected Eddy because she had fallen in love with Nicholas as early as 1889, but it's extremely unlikely that she would have married Eddy even if Nicholas hadn't come along anyway.

And while Alicky's eventual marriage to Nicholas may have sealed her fate, how did it seal Eddy's?  His early death had nothing to do with her or his hopes of marrying her.  A bit ridiculous...  
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: CountessKate on May 27, 2009, 07:31:16 AM
Quote
I have often wondered to what extent George ever considered being King before Eddy's death. I mean, how close did he really feal to the position or prepare for it before 1892?

I think it had never crossed his mind and was an awful shock when it happened. 
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 27, 2009, 07:42:57 AM
Quote
I have often wondered to what extent George ever considered being King before Eddy's death. I mean, how close did he really feal to the position or prepare for it before 1892?

I think it had never crossed his mind and was an awful shock when it happened. 

I agree, I don't think he'd ever considered the prospect as he was a not a person given to daydreaming or 'what if' scenarios. 

By many accounts, it was indeed an awful shock.  George was terribly shaken by Eddy's death, the double blow being losing his brother AND the implications of what that meant for his own future.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Ena on May 27, 2009, 09:11:32 PM

Didn't most of them that he has originally air on TV in Great Britain?
From the looks of it, yes.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Ena on May 27, 2009, 09:16:27 PM
One thing that stuck out for me was when they said that Alix rejected Eddy because she had fallen in love with Nicholas.  The narrator said something like, "When she agreed to marry him, she sealed both of [her and Eddy's] fates."  Eddy was dead by 1894!

Perhaps it meant that Alicky only rejected Eddy because she had fallen in love with Nicholas as early as 1889, but it's extremely unlikely that she would have married Eddy even if Nicholas hadn't come along anyway.

And while Alicky's eventual marriage to Nicholas may have sealed her fate, how did it seal Eddy's?  His early death had nothing to do with her or his hopes of marrying her.  A bit ridiculous...  
I took notice of this line too.  Then I chalked it up to the narrator having a flowery way of being dramatic.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on June 17, 2009, 09:32:18 AM
Front page of "Le petit Journal":

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/cent-ans/pj1892/pj05909011892.jpg
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Katharine on June 17, 2009, 10:32:28 AM
Hello all, bit of a lurker rather than a poster, but just had a request/question for you all, if anyone could help.

I just returned from a trip to Europe (wonderful) and was able to go to Windsor and see St George's Chapel and the Albert Memorial Chapel. I had actually forgotten entirely that Eddy was buried there (I think I thought he was at Sandringham) and I was also shocked (in a good way) and moved to tears to see my other favourite English royal, Prince Leopold was there interred with him.

However when I was there, entry to the room was blocked, and we therefore could not see the tombs well at all. My question to anyone else who's visited previously is - was I just very unlucky and it happened to be closed to the public for some reason or another that day, or is it always blocked off, only to be viewed from the doorway?

And my request - I've scanned through both of Eddy's threads and images that members had posted of his tomb no longer work. I've been searching online and the best image I can find is this one:
(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/685/victoralbert.jpg)

Does anyone happen to know where I could find a clearer photo, similar to the one in Theo Aronson's book "Prince Eddy and the Homosexual Underworld"?

Many thanks to anyone who can help!

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on February 15, 2010, 05:39:32 AM
There are a couple of lovely and rare new additions to the gallery of Eddy photographs on the National Portrait Gallery website!  Absolutely marvellous, am so excited to see them, particularly as eBay has been so quiet with good Eddy stuff lately!  Check them out:

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait.php?LinkID=mp50173&page=1&role=sit&rNo=57 (http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait.php?LinkID=mp50173&page=1&role=sit&rNo=57)

and

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait.php?LinkID=mp50173&page=1&role=sit&rNo=50 (http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait.php?LinkID=mp50173&page=1&role=sit&rNo=50)     
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Rani on February 15, 2010, 07:23:13 AM
Since I heard he was involved in this Jack-The-Ripper thing (I know it´s amential) I find him a little bit weird. Also he had nothing to do with it.


Is this Eddy as a child?

(http://i47.tinypic.com/znl95i.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Rani on February 15, 2010, 07:36:39 AM
http://www.archive.org/stream/cruiseofhermajes01albeuoft#page/n5/mode/2up

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 15, 2010, 09:38:48 AM
yes, its Albert Victor with his parents

Here another from the same sitting

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2w7fm9t.jpg)


Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Veronica on February 15, 2010, 06:29:11 PM

Is this Eddy as a child?

(http://i47.tinypic.com/znl95i.jpg)

George is also there in Alexandra's arms...
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 15, 2010, 06:33:28 PM
ahaha true!!! he loosk kinda blurry--poor thing!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 19, 2010, 08:45:10 AM


However when I was there, entry to the room was blocked, and we therefore could not see the tombs well at all. My question to anyone else who's visited previously is - was I just very unlucky and it happened to be closed to the public for some reason or another that day, or is it always blocked off, only to be viewed from the doorway?



Bit of a late reply but Katherine I visited Windsor last month and you could only stand at the entrance to the chapel and look in. However when I visited in 2001 I'm almost certain that you could walk in the chapel and I recall speaking to a guide who was present and very knowlegeble. No guide this time so perhaps when no one is there keeping an eye you can't enter!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 20, 2010, 04:36:36 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/25thr3d.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on March 20, 2010, 06:04:47 PM
Excellent photo, Katenka!  There's not too much evidence of a close father/son relationship here, is there?!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 23, 2010, 08:00:39 AM
This is a kinda emotive portrait of Eddie as a groom with his bride, May

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2zp2k3d.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 26, 2010, 08:31:35 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/kafpf4.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 26, 2010, 04:14:38 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/PrinceAlbertVictor.jpg)

Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy'
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 26, 2010, 04:17:54 PM
Thanks Katenka and RN!  I love to see this thread bumped up.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 26, 2010, 06:15:43 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/32179.jpg)

Very welcomme Grace! Here is another one of 'Eddy' and 'Georgie' for you!

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 27, 2010, 07:50:51 AM
You welcome! i got tons of pictures of him ^^

With brother George

(http://i44.tinypic.com/1et3es.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 27, 2010, 08:24:23 AM
Wow, Katenka, that is a rare beauty I've never seen before.  Thank you so very much again!  And, RN, fabulous too, you have dipped into your vast collection on several threads again I see.  You are extremely generous. XXXOOO
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Lindelle on April 27, 2010, 08:54:13 AM
This is a kinda emotive portrait of Eddie as a groom with his bride, May

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2zp2k3d.jpg)


My favourite.
And like Grace, I want this thread bumped up to.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: TimM on April 30, 2010, 11:30:30 AM
I remember that for a while, Eddy was a suspect of being Jack The Ripper.  In fact, the reason the Ripper was never caught was that they knew who he was and covered it up (can't have an heir to the throne going around murdering women).  However, they eventually proved that Eddy had been in Scotland at the time of the Ripper murders, thus clearing him.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 30, 2010, 03:38:29 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Eddy632.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Lindelle on May 01, 2010, 07:49:24 AM
I remember that for a while, Eddy was a suspect of being Jack The Ripper.  In fact, the reason the Ripper was never caught was that they knew who he was and covered it up (can't have an heir to the throne going around murdering women).  However, they eventually proved that Eddy had been in Scotland at the time of the Ripper murders, thus clearing him.


Didn't they say he had a mental problem and that's why he was a suspect?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 01, 2010, 09:04:27 AM
Little Eddy

(http://i44.tinypic.com/9kcpio.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 01, 2010, 10:14:49 AM
I remember that for a while, Eddy was a suspect of being Jack The Ripper.  In fact, the reason the Ripper was never caught was that they knew who he was and covered it up (can't have an heir to the throne going around murdering women).  However, they eventually proved that Eddy had been in Scotland at the time of the Ripper murders, thus clearing him.


Didn't they say he had a mental problem and that's why he was a suspect?

He did have some learning difficulties but not a 'mental problem' as such.  The whole Jack the Ripper association was pure fantasy and not based on any character trait he possessed, such as a tendency to violence.  If you read back over the two threads, you will find this information.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: TimM on May 01, 2010, 10:26:54 AM
Didn't he die in an insane asylum?  I'm not saying he was the Ripper, but I did hear he had psychological problems.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Yankeegirl on May 01, 2010, 10:40:49 AM
Just as plans for both his marriage to Mary and his appointment as Viceroy of Ireland were under discussion, Albert Victor fell ill with influenza in the great influenza pandemic of 1889–92. He developed pneumonia and died at Sandringham House in Norfolk on 14 January 1892, less than a week after his 28th birthday.

So - no - he did not die in an asylum.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 01, 2010, 10:42:37 AM
Of course he didn't die in an insane asylum!  Read the two threads on him or this generally accurate Wikipedia entry:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Albert_Victor,_Duke_of_Clarence_and_Avondale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Albert_Victor,_Duke_of_Clarence_and_Avondale)

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: TimM on May 01, 2010, 12:07:10 PM
Sorry about that, I was going on faulty information.

Geez, he died at 28.  That's young!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Lindelle on May 01, 2010, 08:39:51 PM
Tim I did the same.
As I was growing up people talked about him having a 'mental problem'.
I DON"T know where they got that info from, I was just asking the question Grace.

AND the term 'mental problem' Grace is not discriminative, it is worded by such even on the news and in the nicest way thankyou.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 01, 2010, 11:07:55 PM
Lindelle, re-reading my reply to your query about Prince Eddy having a mental problem, I fail to see why my answer has caused such a defensive response from you.  I simply answered your question and referred you back to the two threads on the prince to gain further information, if you were interested. 

I will say, though, it does get a little frustrating to have information available in the threads only to have posters asking for it all over again on various occasions.  It's all there!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 03, 2010, 10:04:36 AM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/sgk6xj.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on May 03, 2010, 02:13:32 PM
WOW! Read the mile long threads for years worth of discussion on Prince Eddy.

"They" didn't think Eddy was Jack the Ripper because he had some, blanket term, "mental problems." That theory developed much later through tabloid-like sensational journalism, based loosly on some of Eddy's suspected personal relations during his later life. Oh and those widely published photos of him in a deer stalking cap taken while he was....DEER STALKING. haha.


Grace darling, that cdv of Eddy with George in the chair was just up on ebay. I nearly died when i saw it too.
That last one posted from 1874 is a new pose for me. He looks quite charming!

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on May 03, 2010, 05:16:06 PM
Various copies of it have been up on ebay before--I bought one a couple years ago. Patience, patience, PE.  :)  Paul Frecker, who sells on ebay, and who was the seller I bought mine from, also has his own website with some CDVs and cabinet cards for sale. Sometimes his collection on the website is better than his auctions--if you don't mind the prices.  ::) I've bought 3 of the recently posted Eddy images from him over the years. This latter one, of Eddy on the stool, was new to me though.  Very nice.  :)  There were also really good ones published in the ILN and such at the time of his death and, especially, at the time of his father's coronation and then passing. That's often a cheaper route than trying to collect the actual cards which can be an exercise in futility and frustration.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on May 03, 2010, 08:52:31 PM
I know ella! i decided a few years ago I'm going to continue my collection, which isn't too shabby for my age, haha, when i get a STEADY income.

I have bought from Paul Frecker in the past and checked out his site. however i haven't been on there in a long time. ill have to check it out again.

I have a few memorial pictorals foam GV's death, but would love to get some older ones. They are great for rare OLD images.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 03, 2010, 10:29:47 PM
There are some gems to be found if you head to farahardupre.co.uk too.  Hope you've got plenty of money though!
Title: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Lucien on May 04, 2010, 02:08:03 AM
Didn't he die in an insane asylum?  I'm not saying he was the Ripper, but I did hear he had psychological problems.

The influenza thing was a convenient turn to give in these days for syphilus.And as Eddy had one big problem,it was
S.E.X.,and  being not too perticular with which sex and at what day and time.All the time.
He was a little freakshow all on his own.Sorry.I can not find the least titbit interesting in this creature,
let alone the fascination or rife for sainthood bits in this thread.He was "yucky" .

Whatever else anyone was told or whispered to in their youth,he had syphilus and that was the cause of his untimely death
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 04, 2010, 02:47:17 AM
Syphillis sources, please, Lucien!  Did you know it takes decades for people to die of syphillis unless they inherit it in the womb and there are detailed medical notes on the development and progression of Eddy's influenza, epidemic at that time, not to mention letters and diary entries from his family?  

Some sort of validation on same sex relationships would be appreciated also.  You won't find any!  

I'm disappointed and surprised a member like your good self has taken more heed of old stories and rumours than reality.  Maybe you think he was the Ripper as well?  It doesn't matter that you dislike him but what you are saying you have no basis for, so what's the point?  
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Lindelle on May 04, 2010, 02:52:06 AM
We can always do some googling to find out about symptoms of his death, but Grace I have heard about it being inherit in the womb.
Title: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Lucien on May 04, 2010, 03:51:25 AM
Syphillis sources, please, Lucien!  Did you know it takes decades for people to die of syphillis unless they inherit it in the womb and there are detailed medical notes on the development and progression of Eddy's influenza, epidemic at that time, not to mention letters and diary entries from his family?  

Some sort of validation on same sex relationships would be appreciated also.  You won't find any!  

I'm disappointed and surprised a member like your good self has taken more heed of old stories and rumours than reality.  Maybe you think he was the Ripper as well?  It doesn't matter that you dislike him but what you are saying you have no basis for, so what's the point?  


Terciary syphilus doesn't take decades Grace,sorry,it takes a few years if not attended to,and
certainly in these days they had nothing to cure that....
Still,he was a go getter of sorts,as long as it had a heartbeat it was OK with Eddy...the scoundrel..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOF2yGQIRpU&feature=related

 :) ;D
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Lucien on May 04, 2010, 04:00:40 AM
Syphillis sources, please, Lucien!  Did you know it takes decades for people to die of syphillis unless they inherit it in the womb and there are detailed medical notes on the development and progression of Eddy's influenza, epidemic at that time, not to mention letters and diary entries from his family?  

Some sort of validation on same sex relationships would be appreciated also.  You won't find any!  

I'm disappointed and surprised a member like your good self has taken more heed of old stories.
  

Oh but dear Grace,sorry for your disappointment,really,as much as I like and respect you,but this forum is full of old stories.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 04, 2010, 04:35:53 AM
Good grief, that youtube piece was discussed here years ago!

No sources?  I thought not.  Regarding syphillis; a person suffering from it and who is about to die has a terrible and very obvious affliction.  He/she doesn't get engaged, have a series of photographs taken and be seen out and about town a month before death, Lucien.  Enough of this nonsense!  You hate him, I get that, but your claims are baseless and you know it!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Lucien on May 04, 2010, 04:59:02 AM
Good grief, that youtube piece was discussed here years ago!

That's what I said,this forum is full of old stories.Some are even true,while others are not.
You do not take to a little teasing easy do you,when it's concerning Eddy dearest... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on May 04, 2010, 03:23:01 PM
Well Lucien, you just kinda came out of left field with the bashing. No one was even speaking ill of him prior to your comment.

Eddy may have had syphilis, but it clearly was not the cause of his death. 

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on May 04, 2010, 04:25:17 PM
just want to edit*

i do not think Eddy did have syphillis.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 17, 2010, 08:27:33 AM
Albert Victor and brother George

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2mcybkp.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on June 17, 2010, 04:14:30 PM
That's a smart one!  Thanks very much for sharing this one, KF, I've seen one from this occasion of Eddy, but not with George.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Lindelle on June 18, 2010, 12:15:06 AM
Is that George, Duke Of Kent, who was killed in an air-plane crash?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 18, 2010, 01:01:33 AM
No that is his father, a young & handsome George V.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 27, 2010, 09:53:06 AM
dedicated to Grace.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2uh23uw.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on June 28, 2010, 03:20:49 AM
Thank you, Katenka, how kind.  And what a magnificent study, may I say?!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 28, 2010, 09:30:40 AM
He look stunning in that one! ^^
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on June 29, 2010, 05:18:42 PM
Yes katenka fyodorovna.. new to me as well. wherever on the internet did you find them?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 29, 2010, 05:22:00 PM
In an spanish forum about royalty.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on June 29, 2010, 09:02:40 PM
It was up for sale on ebay a bit ago. Eddy ones can be tricky because you never know quite how they'll list it. Grace and PrinceEddy will flip out but something you can search in the collectibles under Jack the Ripper.  :-X
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on July 02, 2010, 01:31:50 PM
It was up for sale on ebay a bit ago. Eddy ones can be tricky because you never know quite how they'll list it. Grace and PrinceEddy will flip out but something you can search in the collectibles under Jack the Ripper.  :-X

Hahaha ella. iv missed you!

I must confess i almost never search ebay and oher sites anymore. However, when I do a search for Eddy stuff on ebay, I have always typed simply, 'Albert Victor'. It always brings up old 78' records. haha. 'Duke Clarence' is a good search too.

I assume ketenka found it on the dinastias foros.. site. That has a wealth of photos not common in US books and mags.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 02, 2010, 02:49:42 PM
Not that forum, another one which is locked =(
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on July 02, 2010, 05:35:48 PM
well as long as they arent posting any new info or pics any old person cant fond from google..aah.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on July 02, 2010, 11:01:26 PM
It was up for sale on ebay a bit ago. Eddy ones can be tricky because you never know quite how they'll list it. Grace and PrinceEddy will flip out but something you can search in the collectibles under Jack the Ripper.  :-X

Hahaha ella. iv missed you!

I must confess i almost never search ebay and oher sites anymore. However, when I do a search for Eddy stuff on ebay, I have always typed simply, 'Albert Victor'. It always brings up old 78' records. haha. 'Duke Clarence' is a good search too.

I assume ketenka found it on the dinastias foros.. site. That has a wealth of photos not common in US books and mags.

Missed you too PrinceE. :  )  There seems to be more Eddy stuff coming up lately for sale, especially the cabinet cards. I'll have to go through some of the Princess Louise stuff since I see you have a new avatar. ;  )  I bought some images of her from some old French and Spanish mags.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on July 03, 2010, 05:48:30 PM
OHH yay!

Im still devoted to Eddy of course..just wanted to mix things up a little!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on July 03, 2010, 06:44:22 PM
Eddy, you can get different results on eBay from typing "Albert Victor" and "Prince Albert Victor".  I often check out "Wales family", "Prince Eddy" and "Duke of Clarence" naturally too.  Amazing what you'll find under one but not the other.  Er, not that I'm fanatical about it all, of course...well, not much anyway.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on July 03, 2010, 11:28:37 PM
Hey G! good advice about searching for 'Wales Family'..never tried that.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Constantinople on July 04, 2010, 12:24:36 AM
I tried  your idea of searching for Prince Albert in EBAy and this is what it produced:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PRINCE-ALBERT-MALE-GENITAL-BODY-PIERCING-KIT-NEEDLE-/370272898488?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Tattoos_BodyArt_SM&hash=item5635fc0db8
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on July 04, 2010, 05:23:21 AM
Trust you to find THAT!  You forgot the bit on the end...the "Victor"...
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Constantinople on July 04, 2010, 05:37:05 AM
well i wouldnt call anyone who succumbed to one of those a victor except over pain
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 14, 2010, 11:15:27 PM
Does someone who Eddie was mourning when this picture was taken? thanks in advanced!

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5017/eddie189.jpg) (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/eddie189.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Veronica on August 14, 2010, 11:21:34 PM
Someone has found a certain gold mine ;-)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Veronica on August 14, 2010, 11:28:25 PM
This is from the same session

(http://a.imageshack.us/img12/6066/edwales.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Margot on August 15, 2010, 12:43:14 AM
I am guessing that the Prince was studying at Trinity College, Cambridge at the time these photographs were taken and would hazard that the mourning arm band was probably in commemoration of Prince Leopold, Duke of Albany who died in April 1884. Don't shoot me if I am wrong as this is merely a guess based on various factors including the rate of growth of hair on the Prince's upper lip, the location of the Photographer's studio and the most significant family deaths that occurred during this period
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on August 15, 2010, 05:45:31 AM
Yet another from the same session:
Isn't that a German uniform Eddy's wearing?  They did seem to wear mourning armbands a lot then and not necessarily always for close relatives. 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Eddy528.jpg)   
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: ThePrincessPerfect on August 24, 2010, 04:08:56 AM
Were these found on ebay? I never saw them before!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on August 24, 2010, 09:12:42 AM
All those poses have been up for sale on Ebay in years past whether or not that's the original source of these particular images or not.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on August 24, 2010, 09:15:58 AM
eBay's where I get most of my images of Eddy that are not in books I own.  Not that I buy many though.  Hunting around on the internet can sometimes get you good ones as well.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 24, 2010, 09:21:32 AM
Not only Ebay. Recently i found an auction place where there are tons of beautiful images, not only royals on the "sold articles" section.

Ebay has good items but lately, im just getting Post mortem , common people or press images cause im tired tio see fraudulent sellers selling prints or mislabeled images on purpose

This one is on sale as a print in a ebay store where i ve found colorized pictures of a Wikipedia member ( and yes, he didnt gave his permission to this seller) and some i suspect, were thaken from here...

(http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/808/mm165.jpg) (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/mm165.jpg/)

 

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: ThePrincessPerfect on August 25, 2010, 02:37:04 AM
Quote
Recently i found an auction place where there are tons of beautiful images, not only royals on the "sold articles" section.

May I ask what is this place?

Regarding the picture above I can see why Eddy was described as a beautiful child so like his mother.

I hope some more can be found that we haven't seen before!

Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 25, 2010, 06:33:47 AM
i will look in my "faves" list. I surely save the link there ;-)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 01, 2010, 02:02:06 PM
Albert Victor and George

(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5043/6094618.jpg) (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/6094618.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 26, 2010, 02:18:00 PM
Another with George. This time with navy uniforms

(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4719/wetgdy.jpg) (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/wetgdy.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: TimM on November 05, 2010, 07:37:39 PM
Geez, he was only 28 when he died.  That's so young, his father and grandmother outlived him.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on November 06, 2010, 03:09:52 AM
Yes, both Grandmothers outlived him & his maternal grandfather too!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 03, 2011, 06:15:41 PM
Little Eddie

(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6062/69033a01069031.jpg) (http://img251.imageshack.us/i/69033a01069031.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on April 17, 2011, 04:13:17 AM
Superbe!

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/PRINCE-ALBERT-VICTOR-EDDY-DUKE-CLARENCE-SIGNED-PHOTO-/280660988352?pt=UK_Royalty&hash=item4158b2d1c0 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/PRINCE-ALBERT-VICTOR-EDDY-DUKE-CLARENCE-SIGNED-PHOTO-/280660988352?pt=UK_Royalty&hash=item4158b2d1c0)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 17, 2011, 10:35:13 AM
Lovely, thanks Grace!! Such a shame it has been cut, perhaps to fit in a frame.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Douglas on April 17, 2011, 07:08:17 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/eddie.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: heavensent on May 01, 2011, 04:27:09 PM
  I was always suspicious  about what really happened, and never believed the official
story of the death ... influenza  ? or  something....
I wondered what really happened .
Today, listening on the internet, a rather brash American historian came on
to   help the  radio host  sneer at the British  Royal Family  in general and the  recent
wedding in particular.
He gave a short resume of history and
  began to emphasise that  Edward the  7th  was the real architect of the 1st world war
with  his  Triple  Alliance etc.

Then he  dropped in.... " and Prince Eddy  died of  syphilis   !!!"
which, when I think of it, makes sense ... his  dissolute life style, the prevalence of
syphilis in Victorian society... a sexually transmitted disease.... yes it all fits together
and of course, The Royal  Family of the time would move  heaven and  hell  to cover up the shocking fact  
and prevent a scandal .
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 01, 2011, 04:54:39 PM
"A rather brash American historian" comes on the internet to help some radio host "sneer at the British Royal Family in general and the recent wedding in particular" and you believe every word?  Are you really that naive?  Who is this historian and what are his credentials?  By the way, all of these stories are old, old, old.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: heavensent on May 02, 2011, 09:53:41 AM
Webster Tarpley
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 02, 2011, 10:23:03 AM
WT is a conspiracy nut. I would not take anything he says seriously.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Kalafrana on May 03, 2011, 08:14:00 AM
'Then he  dropped in.... " and Prince Eddy  died of  syphilis   !!!"
which, when I think of it, makes sense ... his  dissolute life style, the prevalence of
syphilis in Victorian society... a sexually transmitted disease.... yes it all fits together
and of course, The Royal  Family of the time would move  heaven and  hell  to cover up the shocking fact 
and prevent a scandal .'

I think this is unlikely. Albert Victor was 28 (just) when he died, and untreated syphilis typically takes 20 years plus to kill. Typically, the victim has a minor illness at the time he contracts it, then recovers for a number of years while the disease is in its dormant phase. Then it flares up again, producing florid mental symptoms, various physical manifestations and finally what used to be called General Paralysis of the Insane (GPI). Interestingly, a friend of mine, now dead, who was a retired naval Commander told me that in 1940 his unit was temporarily accommodated in a mental hospital. Some of the patients were still there, and a fair number had syphilis with grandiose delusions that they were Jesus Christ, Napoleon etc. Things got a bit awkward when two Napoleons met up!

Ann
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Tdora1 on May 03, 2011, 04:32:03 PM
I think this is unlikely. Albert Victor was 28 (just) when he died, and untreated syphilis typically takes 20 years plus to kill. Typically, the victim has a minor illness at the time he contracts it, then recovers for a number of years while the disease is in its dormant phase. Then it flares up again, producing florid mental symptoms, various physical manifestations and finally what used to be called General Paralysis of the Insane (GPI).


 Treponema Pallidum has had quite an eventful history. One thing that is certain is that the disease it produces has become less virulent over time. When first described in Europe at the end of the 15th century, its victims were subject to a horrifying acute disease that was invariably fatal within a matter of months. Although it had settled into its well-known "3 stages" by the end of the 19th century, it was still then entirely possible that it could prove fatal within a few years: it is not correct to assume that all syphilis at the end of the 19th century resembled the current descriptions. Available medical resources demonstrate how the bacteria and resultant course of illness has shifted in response to antibiotic treatment (and see also its 1970s re-emergence and its effect as a concurrent infection in those who are also HIV+). Remember too that syphilis was known as the Great Imitator, as symptoms affecting the heart and circulation, the bones and brain were - in the days before cat scans and blood workups and penicillin and anti-psychotics - not easy to ascribe or diagnose.

This is not to say that Eddy died of - or even had - syphilis although given the risk of congenital infection, it would have made good sense for a hereditary monarchy to get rid of him before he produced a saddle nosed, snaggle-toothed, tabes-limping heir! But given its then prevalence and his amorous habits, it would not be a shock if he indeed did contract it. But whatever his habits and health, it must be stressed that the usual course of the disease as seen and described now doesn't automatically apply to the 1890s.

Anyone interested in this subject (and who ain't?) night find it worth looking over the theory that Fletcher Christian's mutiny madness was in large part because of his neuro-syphilis (the Tahiti strain back then was infamously virulent and it pretty much could go from chancre to brain-fester in months).

Or that Kaiser Frederick III's laryngeal cancer wasn't cancer after all (which would explain both McKenzie's not diagnosing cancer and Virchow not detecting abnormal cells) and thus McKenzie had to do the impossible - defend himself whilst not revealing the saintly Emperor's naughty secret. Syphilis was well-known to cause laryngeal ulceration and during Frederick's infamous dalliance with a courtesan in Egypt in the 1860's it was rumoured that he did contract it.

Or that Queen Alexandra's famous limp had nothing to with the arthritic after-effects of rheumatic fever but was syphiliptic tabes dorsalis affecting her heel (a very common sequelae then). What ever it was, Alexandra's long illness of 1866/7 resulted in a sickly baby (Louise) who grew into a feeble woman - as were the two daughters born afterwards. (Although I think that if porphyria was symptomatic anywhere in the RF in the late Victorian era then it was with Maud and Victoria Wales as both were plagued by illness and Maud with mobility problems - ones that could also have been caused by the Great Imitator! ) Anyway, RF affects the heart and in serious cases (which QA's would have been, given that she was bedridden for months) rendered the afflicted the life of a semi-invalid ever after - just that there didn't seem to be any of the RF cardiac after-effects.

And given the rollcall of afflcied continental monarchs and royals, it would be strange indeed if the not-as-uxorious-as-they'd-have-us-oiks-believe British RF always escaped entirely :)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 03, 2011, 04:34:09 PM
I wish people who continually bring up rumours about long dead royals on various threads would just do a bit of reading and research themselves.  Regarding the syphilis story, it's not "unlikely" Albert Victor died from it, it's impossible.  The man carried out public duties, became engaged and was seen publicly right up to his death.  There are very detailed surviving accounts of his final illness by his relatives and at least one doctor so clearly, even some "historians" are not doing their homework.  Then again, I suppose anyone can call themselves a historian.

This and the Jack the Ripper story keep getting trotted out year after year.  I can never quite understand why.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Tdora1 on May 03, 2011, 05:03:07 PM
Grace - it is not impossible that Eddy died from syphilis. Its then unpredictable course means it could remain dormant in infected organs for many years or - much less likely but still possibly - do the opposite: with the bacterium reaching the meninges or myocardium causing acute infection and death either directly or along with the many possible opportunistic infections that would not necessarily have been serious in an entirely healthy individual.

Anyway, FWIW based upon the same contemporary medical situation means I am sure he died from pneumonia caused by influenza (of the early 1890s pandemic). A young man, living and moving in crowded surroundings (barracks for eg) and encountering many people and therefore sources of infection (socialising in the weeks following the engagement) - he was alas a good candidate to get infected; he was not in the most robust of health; was not given the best of contemporary medical or nursing care (Laking was a smooth-talking "spa" type, basically) and nor in the best surroundings: his room was little bigger than a cupboard, the weather was clammily sub-zero requiring constant open fires in his room for warmth and hence less fresh air and IIRC the Duke of Teck eventually discovered a gas leak had been going on all this time - none of which helps in acute respiratory illness at all.

Poor Eddy.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 04, 2011, 06:57:45 AM
From what I have read, it would be very unusual indeed to die from a syphilis-related cause without the disease manifesting itself in other ways that would be difficult if not impossible to hide.  Eddy was treated for gonorrhoea - there is a letter in his handwriting asking his doctor for some more capsules for “this tiresome glete” so I’m well aware he was no saint!  There is just no evidence other than rumour for the syphilis story.

I do refute, though, the long-held view that he was physically feeble, because there doesn’t seem the evidence to back this up.  His nurse said he was a healthy infant from birth and in childhood and young adulthood there were no more illnesses documented for him than for his supposedly more robust younger brother George.  A relation said he looked “thin and yellow” on his return from India in 1889, probably not all that surprising, given the heat of India and the fact that the tour went for a full five months at a demanding schedule.  

Also, it seems unlikely to me that he would have been sent on a world trip (Bacchante), put into the army with the instruction that he be treated like everyone else, plus the India trip if he was somehow going to show himself and the royal family up with some sort of constitutional weakness.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: CountessKate on May 04, 2011, 09:31:58 AM
Grace - it is not impossible that Eddy died from syphilis. Its then unpredictable course means it could remain dormant in infected organs for many years or - much less likely but still possibly - do the opposite: with the bacterium reaching the meninges or myocardium causing acute infection and death either directly or along with the many possible opportunistic infections that would not necessarily have been serious in an entirely healthy individual.

Anyway, FWIW based upon the same contemporary medical situation means I am sure he died from pneumonia caused by influenza (of the early 1890s pandemic). A young man, living and moving in crowded surroundings (barracks for eg) and encountering many people and therefore sources of infection (socialising in the weeks following the engagement) - he was alas a good candidate to get infected; he was not in the most robust of health; was not given the best of contemporary medical or nursing care (Laking was a smooth-talking "spa" type, basically) and nor in the best surroundings: his room was little bigger than a cupboard, the weather was clammily sub-zero requiring constant open fires in his room for warmth and hence less fresh air and IIRC the Duke of Teck eventually discovered a gas leak had been going on all this time - none of which helps in acute respiratory illness at all.

Poor Eddy.


According to James Pope-Hennessy's biography of Queen Mary, there appeared to be a clear chain of viral infection of influenza in the household of the Prince of Wales from Princess Victoria to Sir Francis Knollys, the Prince's secretary, to Captain Holford, Eddy's equerry and thence, naturally enough, to Eddy himself.   Other members of the party at Sandringham including Alexandra and Princess Mary were affected by bad colds which might have been milder versions of the same virus.  He didn't need to socialise with anyone but his own family and immediate household staff and fiancee to aquire the infection which killed him.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on May 05, 2011, 12:41:56 PM
There was an influenza epidemic when Eddy died. One famous Cardinal died at the same time.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: CountessKate on May 06, 2011, 04:31:53 AM
There was an influenza epidemic when Eddy died. One famous Cardinal died at the same time.

However, as Cardinal Manning was 84 at the time, it cannot have been quite the same shock as occasioned by Eddy's death.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 06, 2011, 05:01:29 AM
I think what was particularly shocking about the influenza epidemics of 1891/92 and 1918/19 in particular was that literally thousands of influenza victims were young, otherwise healthy people and they DIED from its effects.  You didn't always need to be old/feeble at all.  
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: CountessKate on May 06, 2011, 05:55:49 AM
I think what was particularly shocking about the influenza epidemics of 1891/92 and 1918/19 in particular was that literally thousands of influenza victims were young, otherwise healthy people and they DIED from its effects.  You didn't always need to be old/feeble at all. 

I think nevertheless it's hard for people to accept that a virus like influenza can kill the young and healthy - hence the scepticism seen today when governments devote significant sums to vaccines and other precautionary measures against modern pandemics, although the threats can be very real.  And similarly I think people find it difficult to believe that Eddy could actually have died of a silly little thing like the 'flu - much easier to find all sorts of exciting and scandalous diseases, albeit unsupported by any facts, as the cause of his untimely death.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Kalafrana on May 06, 2011, 06:31:53 AM
'I think nevertheless it's hard for people to accept that a virus like influenza can kill the young and healthy - hence the scepticism seen today when governments devote significant sums to vaccines and other precautionary measures against modern pandemics, although the threats can be very real.  And similarly I think people find it difficult to believe that Eddy could actually have died of a silly little thing like the 'flu - much easier to find all sorts of exciting and scandalous diseases, albeit unsupported by any facts, as the cause of his untimely death.'

I agree. I think it is in part because the term 'flu' is so debased nowadays. None of my students get colds these days - it's always flu! I tell them that the difference is that with a cold you are coughing, sneezing and spluttering, but can function. With flu the only place to be is bed. Further, although antibiotics do nothing against viruses, flu tended to be taken more seriously in pre-antibiotic days because of the potential complications.

Ann
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on May 06, 2011, 02:40:10 PM
I think what was particularly shocking about the influenza epidemics of 1891/92 and 1918/19 in particular was that literally thousands of influenza victims were young, otherwise healthy people and they DIED from its effects.  You didn't always need to be old/feeble at all.  

That was my point--an influenza epidemic was raging so it's no surprised that Eddy fell victim. He was also supposedly weakened from a violent head cold caught when he attended Prince Victor Hohenlohe's funeral days prior in the freezing rain and wind--with no hat.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Kalafrana on May 07, 2011, 04:35:02 AM
I rather doubt that Eddy went to a funeral without a hat at all, since men universally wore hats in those days. However, he would be without a hat in a presumably cold church during the service, and then at the graveside.

Ann
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Eddie_uk on May 07, 2011, 12:21:57 PM
Yes I thought that too, in an age when gentlemen wore hats surely Eddy would have worn one, particularly to a funeral!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on May 09, 2011, 12:08:35 PM
I rather doubt that Eddy went to a funeral without a hat at all, since men universally wore hats in those days. However, he would be without a hat in a presumably cold church during the service, and then at the graveside.

Ann

It was widely reported in papers at the time and in subsequent biographies of the Prince.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 09, 2011, 05:29:57 PM
Maybe the hat got left in a carriage or even blew away in the bad weather and that's why he didn't have it?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: kittygamble on January 27, 2013, 10:06:53 AM
... I think this is the most recent Eddy thread. *dusts it off*

I have to go back and read the older thread too, but I just want to say I love this. I'm working on a book about fictional (modern) royals, and I took Eddy as a diverging point. I wanted information on him, and it's been really interesting reading this thread. And the pictures! Wow. He was so handsome.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on January 28, 2013, 05:37:41 AM
Welcome to the forum, kittygamble!  I hope you'll find the posts and photographs in the Eddy threads informative and enjoyable and I look forward to your input!  And, yes, he was so very handsome! ;)
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: kittygamble on January 29, 2013, 07:59:51 AM
Welcome to the forum, kittygamble!  I hope you'll find the posts and photographs in the Eddy threads informative and enjoyable and I look forward to your input!  And, yes, he was so very handsome! ;)

It has, definitely. Actually, it's making me wish I'd worked out my alternate history to have him be King. I'd planned it so that he had a daughter before he died, and she became Queen instead of George V. But he was so interesting I'm starting to regret it...
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on February 26, 2013, 04:01:32 PM
From my posts in Upcoming Books 2013:

EDDY & HÉLÈNE - an impossible match. By Prince Michael of Greece

If Albert Victor, the Duke of Clarence and Avondale, had lived to become King, Princess Hélène d’Orléans might have been Queen of England. But their romance was denied for religious reasons: she was a Roman Catholic. Eddy’s letters to Hélène, drafts of some of her letters, and correspondence relating to their romance by members of their families, including Queen Victoria, have survived, and were discovered recently. Eddy’s charming and well-written letters, unique since most of what he wrote has been destroyed, shed an entire new light on this much-slandered prince, and suggest that his biography may have to be re-written...

Eddy & Hélène: An Impossible Match
2013, ca 160 pages, hardbound
richly illustrated [March 2013]

From Rosvall books

From Hoogstraten:

Greece, Michael of - Eddy & Hélène, an impossible match
If Albert Victor, the Duke of Clarence and Avondale, had lived to become King, Princess Hélène d’Orléans might have been Queen of England. But their romance was denied for religious reasons: she was a Roman Catholic. Eddy’s letters to Hélène, drafts of some of her letters, and correspondence relating to their romance by members of their families, including Queen Victoria, have survived, and were discovered recently. Eddy’s charming and well-written letters, unique since most of what he wrote has been destroyed, shed an entire new light on this much-slandered prince, and suggest that his biography may have to be re-written... Hardback, ca 160 pages, in English, richly illustrated
This product will be in stock on Friday 29 March, 2013.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 26, 2013, 04:24:01 PM
Great preview!! now i want to read that book so badly!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on February 26, 2013, 05:46:53 PM
Oh, me too...didn't even know about this...thanks GDE!!!  *hyperventilating*  I CAN'T WAIT!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: kittygamble on March 13, 2013, 10:21:53 AM
From my posts in Upcoming Books 2013:

EDDY & HÉLÈNE - an impossible match. By Prince Michael of Greece

If Albert Victor, the Duke of Clarence and Avondale, had lived to become King, Princess Hélène d’Orléans might have been Queen of England. But their romance was denied for religious reasons: she was a Roman Catholic. Eddy’s letters to Hélène, drafts of some of her letters, and correspondence relating to their romance by members of their families, including Queen Victoria, have survived, and were discovered recently. Eddy’s charming and well-written letters, unique since most of what he wrote has been destroyed, shed an entire new light on this much-slandered prince, and suggest that his biography may have to be re-written...

Eddy & Hélène: An Impossible Match
2013, ca 160 pages, hardbound
richly illustrated [March 2013]

From Rosvall books

From Hoogstraten:

Greece, Michael of - Eddy & Hélène, an impossible match
If Albert Victor, the Duke of Clarence and Avondale, had lived to become King, Princess Hélène d’Orléans might have been Queen of England. But their romance was denied for religious reasons: she was a Roman Catholic. Eddy’s letters to Hélène, drafts of some of her letters, and correspondence relating to their romance by members of their families, including Queen Victoria, have survived, and were discovered recently. Eddy’s charming and well-written letters, unique since most of what he wrote has been destroyed, shed an entire new light on this much-slandered prince, and suggest that his biography may have to be re-written... Hardback, ca 160 pages, in English, richly illustrated
This product will be in stock on Friday 29 March, 2013.

Oh, my. I have to read this! In my playing with history I gave these two a (somewhat) happier ending. Because it's fiction and I can! My characters are their descendants. As usual this thread is a goldmine. Thank you!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Clemence on May 06, 2013, 11:16:44 AM
I was thinking about possible similarities between Prince Albert Victor (Eddy) and Nicholas Alexandrovich, the Tsarevich, and both of them and Edward VIII (The Duke of Windsor). Some many ''what if'' seem striking in all three stories, what if they were to rule? Who knows if things would turn out differently after all. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on May 07, 2013, 01:18:38 AM
"Eddy And Helene - An Impossible Match" is a no show so far, it seems.  It was to be available at the end of March.  It doesn't appear to have been released yet.  Anyone know anything further? :-(
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on May 07, 2013, 08:41:19 AM
I thought Hoogstraten's had it? It was listed when I looked at the page but perhaps it's a pre-order?
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: CountessKate on May 07, 2013, 10:45:18 AM
Van Hoogstraten notes of 'Eddy & Hélène, an impossible match' that "This product will be in stock on Tuesday 30 July, 2013".
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on July 08, 2013, 04:14:25 PM
Ted Rosvall posted that the book will be available this Friday.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 09, 2013, 09:31:34 AM
Yup it is!

http://dianamandache.com/eddy-helene-an-impossible-match/

http://www.royalbooks.se/kategori/4/books.html
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Clemence on November 12, 2013, 01:18:25 PM
I apologise if this has been previously answered somewhere in this topic, but I was just wandering if there are any comments on the short relationship of Mary of Teck and Albert Victor. I mean, how did they seem together, how did she react when he fell ill, before and after ... all sort of things.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: RoyalWatcher on November 12, 2013, 02:49:06 PM
Eddy threw all of his attentions and love to Princess May upon her acceptance to his proposal. Eddy seemed to fall madly in love quite quickly with whomever he fancied and seeing that Princess May would be his consort he gave his heart fully to her. Princess May was besotted as well. After all, Eddy was the ultimate catch for a princess from a minor German house. Eddy truly loved another, but that match was not allowed because she was Catholic. He accepted May fully and totally. I encourage you to check out the book Queen Mary by James Pope-Hennessy. It's a treasure trove of information.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on November 13, 2013, 09:03:12 AM
They had known each other their whole lives so it was a comfortable match. While there wasn't a grand love affair, they were fond of each other and in all likelihood would have gotten on well. So while it was arranged in a way, it wasn't the typical 'parties barely know each other' sort of thing and neither was it an 'infatuation which would later turn acrimonious and/or bitter' one either. There was an ease and comfort there and May was reported to have grieved for him very much.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: missb on November 30, 2013, 04:44:48 PM
Hi lurked on here for a long time. I have recently 'discovered' Eddy after many years of OTMAA interest and I have ordered the new book by Prince Michael of Greece. Has anyone read it? I think Eddy was so handsome and it is frustrating we don't know so much about him.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on November 30, 2013, 05:00:07 PM
Hi there and welcome.

If you are interested in Eddy, you will enjoy this book!  I think I have seen the majority of photos of him that are out there, but there is one rare photo I've never seen of him with Helene, so that is a treat in itself.  Eddy's letters, while giving no huge secrets away about him or his relationship with Helene, do reveal a lot about his personality.  I was struck by how chatty he was, how self-deprecating and how frank with his personal feelings.

I haven't yet read it cover to cover but I'm sure you'll be glad to own it!
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: missb on December 01, 2013, 05:24:33 AM
Hi Grace. Thanks it sounds like I will enjoy it and I am looking forward to the photo with Helene you mentioned. Have you saw that the J Vincent book on Eddy is on archive.org? Although it's very old it is interesting to read the whole book instead of snippets in other books.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Grace on August 26, 2014, 07:11:58 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/pkofK0ys.jpg)

Why is it so tiny?  It's a long time since I've posted a photo, I've forgotten how to do it properly!  Anyway, get zooming and ENJOY!  I will work on doing better next time or just providing a link.
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: RoyalWatcher on October 22, 2015, 02:21:21 PM
Now this is an interesting picture:

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/mary-of-teck-princess-of-wales-with-the-duchesse-daosta-news-photo/463988643?et=j7JTEhVYRE9m_fDNWRsoKQ&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecourtjeweller.com%2F

Eddie's two loves...Mary of Teck (1867-1953), Princess of Wales, with the Duchesse d'Aosta (née Princess Hélène of Orléans), 1908. From Queen Alexandra's Christmas Gift Book, Photographs from My Camera, by Queen Alexandra, published by The Daily Telegraph (London, 1908).
Title: Re: Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 22, 2015, 04:21:25 PM
Helena was a cool character. She shaved her head because she couldnt stand her hair and used wigs.